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[daboom1]

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"NEVER SURRENDER!"

[daboom1]

Trump is proud that Putiin likes his "plan"

Trump:

I can solve this is a couple of days...


Orange liar literally says he can solve anything and does nothing.
Maybe we can join North Korea, Russia, China in a new dictator axis if Yammy gets elected.
Those promises... Trump steak, Trump U, Trump Health Care, Trump Afghanistan... Trump 2nd term lol....

Trump would end the war and you and your lot would blow a gasket over night.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1702888763553149210

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1703073738974015670?t

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Trump would end the war and you and your lot would blow a gasket over night.

Precisely, or, they'd try and assassinate him for the umpteenth time.

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https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1703073738974015670?t

No way, though that he'd reach for that is the amazing part. Just showin' America's ass for the umpteenth time.

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[daboom1]

No way, though that he'd reach for that is the amazing part. Just showin' America's ass for the umpteenth time.

Trump was surrounded by wolves, even his own VP.

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Trump was surrounded by wolves, even his own VP.

Word.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhqfcPlC-uY&ab_channel=CombatVeteranReacts

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[DMX7]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1703073738974015670?t

This reminds me of this doozy of a quote...

1128670618575081474

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This reminds me of this doozy of a quote...

1128670618575081474

Pence as referring to RUS stated position that lands in Poland and the Baltic are RUS territories which if attacked would invoke NATO articles.

“I’m convinced that if the Ukrainian military doesn’t stop and repel that Russian invasion, it’s not going to be too long before that Russian army crosses a border that our men and women in uniform are going to have to go and fight (for) under our NATO Treaty. I truly believe it,” Pence said.

There is no analogous situation in the middle east even with Israel which was not even considered by Rice.

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Humility is the fear of the Lord; its wages are riches and honor and life.
Proverbs 22:4 NIV
https://proverbs.bible/proverbs-22-4

Make up your mind, hypochris

[Blake]

https://twitter.com/gatewaypundit/status/1703073738974015670?t

But you're celebrating warmonger Putin.

Make up your mind, hypochris

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Make up your mind, hypochris

He dissociates into multiple accounts and you are looking for logical consistency?

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[velik_m]

U.S. is Ahead of Schedule to Increase 155mm Ammunition Production

The plan on expanding the production of artillery shells in the United States has run half a year ahead of schedule, the target bar is raised for the third time already

Pentagon's Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition and Sustainment William A. LaPlante revealed some details about the expansion of ammunition production in the United States. This process is proceeding under a government program providing additional infusion of billions of dollars into the defense industry.

While reporting during a conference at the Center for a New American Security think tank, he noted that the current production of 155mm caliber artillery ammunition had reached 28 thousand a month.

Meanwhile, according to the Pentagon's plans announced in March 2023 by Deputy Secretary of the US Army Gabe Camarillo, the intention was to reach the bar of 24,000 ammunition per month by the end of this year.

Thus, as of September 2023, the initial schedule of the U.S. Department of Defense was not just met but exceeded by 16%, and by the end of this year, the figure could grow even higher.
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[DMX7]

Pence as referring to RUS stated position that lands in Poland and the Baltic are RUS territories which if attacked would invoke NATO articles.

“I’m convinced that if the Ukrainian military doesn’t stop and repel that Russian invasion, it’s not going to be too long before that Russian army crosses a border that our men and women in uniform are going to have to go and fight (for) under our NATO Treaty. I truly believe it,” Pence said.

There is no analogous situation in the middle east even with Israel which was not even considered by Rice.

It's fear mongering all the same. There is zero reason to believe that Putin is going to pick a fight with NATO -- especially after all the losses he's already endured.

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It's fear mongering all the same. There is zero reason to believe that Putin is going to pick a fight with NATO -- especially after all the losses he's already endured.

& the U.S. has matched him loss for loss. At least Putin didn't take a scan of his watch when the children came back home there from Afghan.

[Blake]

It's fear mongering all the same. There is zero reason to believe that Putin is going to pick a fight with NATO -- especially after all the losses he's already endured.

He might not pick a fight directly but he's still pushing to see how far they'll bend

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's fear mongering all the same. There is zero reason to believe that Putin is going to pick a fight with NATO -- especially after all the losses he's already endured.

Well, yeah because he is losing.

At the end of the day, had NATO not intervened, Ukraine would be unable to outproduce or compete with Russia's army. The likely would have taken Kiev by now and overrun most of the country.

It is shitty policy to abandon them. The only fiscal concern right now is the Freedom Caucus.

I say we continue to support them and once Russia is out of their territory integrate them into NATO and the EU.

[Thread]

Well, yeah because he is losing.

At the end of the day, had NATO not intervened, Ukraine would be unable to outproduce or compete with Russia's army. The likely would have taken Kiev by now and overrun most of the country.

It is shitty policy to abandon them. The only fiscal concern right now is the Freedom Caucus.

I say we continue to support them and once Russia is out of their territory integrate them into NATO and the EU.

- "You'll play hell gettin' it done."

- Randolph Scott - "Ride the High Country"

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[FuzzyLumpkins]

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-conflict-updates

Putin is continuing to reprise Stalin having the FSB overseeing military command. Their predecessor famously carried out the purges i the 1930s. Have to love it when they brain drain themselves.

Well Robotnye is being pushed. That and Verbove. This is the last set of trenchworks before Tokmak. In ISW's words a tactical breach.

Despite all of the deading going on, milbloggers are calling bullshit on the RUS MoD.

Another day another naval drone strike. Their fleet is in the dozens and impossible to replace.

In typical RUS fashion commanders are scapegoated for the air defense failure. The brain drain continues.

Not a good day for team RUS.

[hater]

It's fear mongering all the same. There is zero reason to believe that Putin is going to pick a fight with NATO -- especially after all the losses he's already endured.

Um.there is only one country asking for their male refugees back and banning its fighting age women from traveling abroad.

Thou do the math :lol

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Um.there is only one country asking for their male refugees back and banning its fighting age women from traveling abroad.

Thou do the math :lol

Tell it, hater.

Testify!!!

[DMX7]

Well, yeah because he is losing.

At the end of the day, had NATO not intervened, Ukraine would be unable to outproduce or compete with Russia's army. The likely would have taken Kiev by now and overrun most of the country.

It is shitty policy to abandon them. The only fiscal concern right now is the Freedom Caucus.

I say we continue to support them and once Russia is out of their territory integrate them into NATO and the EU.

I supported most of the original aid so that Ukraine could at least preserve a sovereign state (albeit a smaller one). That was a goal that was reasonable and achievable. And we did that.

Now, we're doing something totally different. We're financing the reclaiming of territory lost BEFORE the full scale invasion, territory that was fought for for years and may be fought for years more. This make ZERO sense for us. And what if they do take it back? How many casualties will they have endured? Will there be partisan insurgencies that create more endless conflict? Will Russia rearm and try to take it back? Have we thought about any of these types of things much less the risks and cost?

[pgardn]

If anyone really thinks Putin wants peace with the West…

How many times does this little fart of a dictator have to slap you upside the head by killing his and his neighbors people?
Peace for Putin is a short pause in a never ending war with the West. It will not stop with Putin in power. Ever.

[Ef-man]

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1702888763553149210

https://x.com/Tendar/status/1703050649615610217

[Ef-man]

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1703058973107110366

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If anyone really thinks Putin wants peace with the West…

How many times does this little fart of a dictator have to slap you upside the head by killing his and his neighbors people?
Peace for Putin is a short pause in a never ending war with the West. It will not stop with Putin in power. Ever.

You had him over dancing in the White House what a couple decades ago? Christ-a-Mighty, peeg, Trump tries to go in there first day on the job and you threatened to blow up the damn joint with him, the wife and their child in there.

Make up your fuckin' mind.

[ducks]

To date, the federal government has extended approximately $43 billion in aid to Ukraine since the invasion by Russia in February 2022.

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To date, the federal government has extended approximately $43 billion in aid to Ukraine since the invasion by Russia in February 2022.

While American people have to (((GO FUND ME))) for their medical needs. Figures. The whole fuckin' thing is so fucked up and ass backwards.

[HemisfairArena]

Funny that the Ukraine president said Trump did nothing wrong on their phone call together but democrats impeached Trump anyway because of it,,,and yet here democrats are in love with the Ukraine president and giving him billions,,,,,

[HemisfairArena]

and thats why we're impeaching biden with malice,,,,because you wouldnt listen to reason,,,,so why should we?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I supported most of the original aid so that Ukraine could at least preserve a sovereign state (albeit a smaller one). That was a goal that was reasonable and achievable. And we did that.

Now, we're doing something totally different. We're financing the reclaiming of territory lost BEFORE the full scale invasion, territory that was fought for for years and may be fought for years more. This make ZERO sense for us. And what if they do take it back? How many casualties will they have endured? Will there be partisan insurgencies that create more endless conflict? Will Russia rearm and try to take it back? Have we thought about any of these types of things much less the risks and cost?

Thanks Chamberlain.

[ChumpDumper]

I supported most of the original aid so that Ukraine could at least preserve a sovereign state (albeit a smaller one). That was a goal that was reasonable and achievable. And we did that.

Now, we're doing something totally different. We're financing the reclaiming of territory lost BEFORE the full scale invasion, territory that was fought for for years and may be fought for years more. This make ZERO sense for us. And what if they do take it back? How many casualties will they have endured? Will there be partisan insurgencies that create more endless conflict? Will Russia rearm and try to take it back? Have we thought about any of these types of things much less the risks and cost?

You want to reward Putin's aggression. To appease him. It's fine. Just own it.

[ChumpDumper]

and thats why we're impeaching biden with malice,,,,because you wouldnt listen to reason,,,,so why should we?

You make no sense.

[ChumpDumper]

To date, the federal government has extended approximately $43 billion in aid to Ukraine since the invasion by Russia in February 2022.

:tu Whatever it takes. Worth every penny to see you and Putin lose.

[horseshue]

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1703299036998926738
Kadyrov may have denazified himself!!!

[ElNono]

To date, the federal government has extended approximately $43 billion in aid to Ukraine since the invasion by Russia in February 2022.

Damn, that's a bargain... :tu

[velik_m]

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1703299036998926738
Kadyrov may have denazified himself!!!

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1703353971530731842

[velik_m]

https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1703023423662821652

[horseshue]

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1703353971530731842

Damn. He is that type of shit, that can't be flushed away very easily.

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:tu Whatever it takes. Worth every penny to see you and Putin lose.

Putin has 20% of it including THEIR nuclear plant and southern water.

We shall see.

[Thread]

You want to reward Putin's aggression. To appease him. It's fine. Just own it.

No problem. I own it.

Nazi's good now.

[Thread]

Funny that the Ukraine president said Trump did nothing wrong on their phone call together but democrats impeached Trump anyway because of it,,,and yet here democrats are in love with the Ukraine president and giving him billions,,,,,


They didn't impeach him for that. They impeached because he made President, the fucks.

That's it & that's all.

[Ef-man]

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1703299036998926738
Kadyrov may have denazified himself!!!

Am waiting for the tik tok of this denazification. :lol

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[velik_m]

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[velik_m]

Is one of Russia’s oldest allies slipping from the Kremlin’s orbit?

The arrival of US soldiers for a peacekeeper training exercise in Armenia has rankled the Russian government, which has for decades acted as the sole security guarantor for the former Soviet republic. The 10-day “Eagle Partner” exercise, which began Monday, involves 85 US and 175 Armenian soldiers and aims to prepare the Armenians to take part in international peacekeeping missions.

The exercise, while small in scale, is the latest in a series of what Russia’s foreign ministry has deemed “unfriendly actions” taken by its traditional ally.

Armenia recently sent humanitarian aid to Ukraine for the first time, and its parliament is set to ratify the International Criminal Court’s Rome Statute – meaning it would be obliged to arrest Russian President Vladimir Putin if he were to set foot in the country, which Russia has long viewed as its own backyard.

Armenia’s flirtation with new international partners has been spurred by its frustration that Russia has been unable or unwilling to defend it against what it sees as aggression from neighboring Azerbaijan, and has raised questions about Russia’s ability to retain its hold on countries and conflicts across the former Soviet empire.

Armenian President Nikol Pashinyan said his country was beginning to taste the “bitter fruits” of the “strategic mistake” of trusting Russia with near-exclusive responsibility for his country’s defense.
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https://edition.cnn.com/2023/09/17/world/armenia-russia-kremlin-us-intl/index.html

[hater]

Kadyrov in a coma due to renal failure. Who knew so much could happen in 3-5 days?

:lmao parroting retarded ukronazi propaganda again :lmao

Kady just published a video :lmao

[Ef-man]

Ole Joe is fucking them up and they can't do shit about it! :lol

https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1703356748164186213

[DMX7]

Thanks Chamberlain.


You want to reward Putin's aggression. To appease him. It's fine. Just own it.

Sounds like it's just about revenge for you all. That's part of what concerns me. There is no plan -- just bloodlust.

I could just as well say the same thing about rewarding the Taliban in Afghanistan. To appease them. Like Chamberlain would appease them. :lol

[DMX7]

:lmao parroting retarded ukronazi propaganda again :lmao


Both sides put out a lot of propaganda. Our own news media does it too.

For example, how many times did we hear last year than Russia was on the verge of running out of missiles?

Or that the Russian people would take to the streets and force an end to the war? Instead of just a small band of protestors who were quickly arrested.

[DMX7]

dp

[velik_m]

https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1703421798745030722

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[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sounds like it's just about revenge for you all. That's part of what concerns me. There is no plan -- just bloodlust.

I could just as well say the same thing about rewarding the Taliban in Afghanistan. To appease them. Like Chamberlain would appease them. :lol

International law and thus justice. I gave you a plan: at least 2014 borders and peace with UKR in NATO and EU.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Both sides put out a lot of propaganda. Our own news media does it too.

For example, how many times did we hear last year than Russia was on the verge of running out of missiles?

Or that the Russian people would take to the streets and force an end to the war? Instead of just a small band of protestors who were quickly arrested.

How do you think that UKR got the artillery advantage and is able to get through RUS air defense with impunity?

[ChumpDumper]

Sounds like it's just about revenge for you all. That's part of what concerns me. There is no plan -- just bloodlust.

I could just as well say the same thing about rewarding the Taliban in Afghanistan. To appease them. Like Chamberlain would appease them. :lol
:lol no

Your accusations are as wrong and childish as your appeasement policy.

[DMX7]

:lol no

Your accusations are as wrong and childish as your appeasement policy.

Then why can’t you make a compelling case for spending another $100B on this war or even half that?:lol

[Ef-man]

Compelling case to continue supporting Ukraine.

https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1702755014081495260

[DMX7]

International law and thus justice. I gave you a plan: at least 2014 borders and peace with UKR in NATO and EU.

That’s not a plan. It’s a goal.

There is no plan that makes sense because it’s a mess in those disputed regions that we should stay out of. The fighting there could go on for decades. That’s a horrific waste of money.

[Blake]

Sounds like it's just about revenge for you all. That's part of what concerns me. There is no plan -- just bloodlust.

I could just as well say the same thing about rewarding the Taliban in Afghanistan. To appease them. Like Chamberlain would appease them. :lol

After Ukraine, would you be ok if he invaded some place like Armenia too?

[ChumpDumper]

Then why can’t you make a compelling case for spending another $100B on this war or even half that?:lol

Nothing but outright capitulation is compelling to you. Imperial expansion by Russia should be stopped. If you can't see why, you have much bigger problems than disappointment at not being compelled on SpursTalk.

[ChumpDumper]

That’s not a plan. It’s a goal.

There is no plan that makes sense because it’s a mess in those disputed regions that we should stay out of. The fighting there could go on for decades. That’s a horrific waste of money.Man, you would've wanted the Soviet Union to expand as well. Your worldview is pretty clear now.:lol

[FuzzyLumpkins]

That’s not a plan. It’s a goal.

There is no plan that makes sense because it’s a mess in those disputed regions that we should stay out of. The fighting there could go on for decades. That’s a horrific waste of money.

It is both a goal and a strategic plan. You suck at deduction and shilling.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1703454869812642024

[velik_m]

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1703462886700470600

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"NEVER SURRENDER!"

[DMX7]

Nothing but outright capitulation is compelling to you. Imperial expansion by Russia should be stopped. If you can't see why, you have much bigger problems than disappointment at not being compelled on SpursTalk.

It's about revenge for you. Pure and simple. You can barely contain your emotions.


Good. Fuck Russia.

[DMX7]

After Ukraine, would you be ok if he invaded some place like Armenia too?

Isn't that what Azerbaijan has already done?


Man, you would've wanted the Soviet Union to expand as well. Your worldview is pretty clear now.:lol

Another strawman argument... You're getting really sloppy.

[DMX7]

Um.there is only one country asking for their male refugees back and banning its fighting age women from traveling abroad.

Thou do the math :lol

I realize you're just trolling but this is actually accurate.

Sadly, you've got people on this board who just bury their head in the sand at the thought of Ukraine casualties.

[ElNono]

Then why can’t you make a compelling case for spending another $100B on this war or even half that?:lol

In the economics sense, it's actually harder to make a compelling case for not spending another $100B. With a military budget of $2.04T for FY2023, $100B is a rounding error.

For that money, you get to militarily and economically challenge a nuclear powered fascist country with expansionist ambitions that wants to challenge the west' democratic and capitalist systems and geopolitical supremacy.

And that without having to even put boots on the ground. What's not compelling about that? Heck, what's the compelling case against that?

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I realize you're just trolling but this is actually accurate.

Sadly, you've got people on this board who just bury their head in the sand at the thought of Ukraine casualties.

...because early on the numbers were frightening, so, Blinken, Biden & Z decided to freeze that number at 6,600 KIA, a month later there were no numbers released running up thru today. & they'll never be released.

(They) got the moneyPERIOD

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In the economics sense, it's actually harder to make a compelling case for not spending another $100B. With a military budget of $2.04T for FY2023, $100B is a rounding error.

For that money, you get to militarily and economically challenge a nuclear powered fascist country with expansionist ambitions that wants to challenge the west' democratic and capitalist systems and geopolitical supremacy.

And that without having to even put boots on the ground. What's not compelling about that? Heck, what's the compelling case against that?

That will be a drop in the bucket to the total # in the end, El.


expansionist ambitions that wants to challenge the west' democratic and capitalist systems and geopolitical supremacy.

LOL. That "supremacy" spent day 1 of their duly elected President threatening to blow him, his wife and their old child up in the White House.

[Thread]

It's about revenge for you. Pure and simple. You can barely contain your emotions.

Tell it, 7.

Testify!!!

[DMX7]

In the economics sense, it's actually harder to make a compelling case for not spending another $100B. With a military budget of $2.04T for FY2023, $100B is a rounding error.

For that money, you get to militarily and economically challenge a nuclear powered fascist country with expansionist ambitions that wants to challenge the west' democratic and capitalist systems and geopolitical supremacy.

And that without having to even put boots on the ground. What's not compelling about that? Heck, what's the compelling case against that?

The trajectory of the defense budgets is an unsustainable travesty that we can't afford now...

That $100B or even $300B seems small relative to the total is actually an argument in favor of not spending even more.

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The trajectory of the defense budgets is an unsustainable travesty that we can't afford now...

That $100B or even $300B seems small relative to the total is actually an argument in favor of not spending even more.

That's all Biden & Blinken have to give to Z & the Nazi's.

[Ef-man]

Fucked around and found out.

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1703435914716815768

[ElNono]

The trajectory of the defense budgets is an unsustainable travesty that we can't afford now...

That $100B or even $300B seems small relative to the total is actually an argument in favor of not spending even more.

First, you have to back up that claim. But overall, this was a tune to bring up in times of peace. We’re not in times of peace anymore. You yourself brought up Taiwan as well, so you’re aware of this. Add Russia to that.

That naive view was also adopted by Europe post-WW2, and now they have Russia in their backyard again. Would be wise to learn a thing or two about history.

Plus, realistically speaking, how much do you really think is going to cost the US to ensure Russia respects whatever borders are drawn when they didn’t respect Crimea? How would that not just be a ruse to re-arm and continue their advance, how do you enforce that and at what cost?

[velik_m]

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1703372905923453174

[DMX7]

Plus, realistically speaking, how much do you really think is going to cost the US to ensure Russia respects whatever borders are drawn when they didn’t respect Crimea? How would that not just be a ruse to re-arm and continue their advance, how do you enforce that and at what cost?

How do we know that even if they take back Crimea that Russia doesn't rearm and try again to take it back?

So all those lives lost and money spent and we could be right back where we started and not have even solved that specific problem you purport to solve.

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First, you have to back up that claim. But overall, this was a tune to bring up in times of peace. We’re not in times of peace anymore. You yourself brought up Taiwan as well, so you’re aware of this. Add Russia to that.

That naive view was also adopted by Europe post-WW2, and now they have Russia in their backyard again. Would be wise to learn a thing or two about history.

Plus, realistically speaking, how much do you really think is going to cost the US to ensure Russia respects whatever borders are drawn when they didn’t respect Crimea? How would that not just be a ruse to re-arm and continue their advance, how do you enforce that and at what cost?

Dude, the U.S. is in Russia's backyard. Get your backyards straight, El.

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How do we know that even if they take back Crimea that Russia doesn't rearm and try again to take it back?

So all those lives lost and money spent and we could be right back where we started and not have even solved that specific problem you purport to solve.

But if that [[[if they take back Crimea that Russia doesn't rearm and try again to take it back?]]]

But that's tomorrow, even thousands of tomorrows. Sure, Z is thinking a million tomorrows till Russia comes back for (it). All Biden, and by his leave Blinken are thinking about is tomorrow. Tomorrow-TomorrowPERIOD

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https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1703372905923453174

Kinda like the Weaver family up at Ruby Ridge when the F.B.I. & ATF got done with 'em. Destroyed everything they owned, shot wife Vicki and their young son in the back, then walked away from it with nary care in the world.

McVeigh hunted the bastards and squared it all with the house. True empathy is an all encompassing guardian wherever man dwells.

[ChumpDumper]

It's about revenge for you. Pure and simple. You can barely contain your emotions.Revenge for what?

Be specific.

[Ef-man]

Is Kadyrov dead? Who knows but picture of his wife indicates things are not going well.

https://x.com/PaulaBranco16/status/1703525036584313064

[ChumpDumper]

I realize you're just trolling but this is actually accurate.

Sadly, you've got people on this board who just bury their head in the sand at the thought of Ukraine casualties.You want Ukraine and its culture and language erased form existence whether you've thought that far ahead or not. I choose not to support your genocide.

[Thread]

Revenge for what?

Be specific.

Easy, as it's always been...Trump made President. You won't rest till they lay you to rest.

[hater]

In the economics sense, it's actually harder to make a compelling case for not spending another $100B. With a military budget of $2.04T for FY2023, $100B is a rounding error.

For that money, you get to militarily and economically challenge a nuclear powered fascist country with expansionist ambitions that wants to challenge the west' democratic and capitalist systems and geopolitical supremacy.

And that without having to even put boots on the ground. What's not compelling about that? Heck, what's the compelling case against that?
"Crime by Fall"

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

"Crime by Fall"

:lmao

"3-5 days"

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao

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"3-5 days"

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao

Trump President.
Not Clinton.


:lmao:lmao:lmao

[ducks]

While American people have to (((GO FUND ME))) for their medical needs. Figures. The whole fuckin' thing is so fucked up and ass backwards.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Trumptards shit on themselves demanding socialized medicine now.

[ducks]

Nothing but outright capitulation is compelling to you. Imperial expansion by Russia should be stopped. If you can't see why, you have much bigger problems than disappointment at not being compelled on SpursTalk.

Why is it the USA job to use American taxpayers money ?
Why not the un?
Why the USA taxpayer jobs . America tax payers are broke and the USA government is broke.

You know russia could get someone else worse than Putin.
USA got someone much worse then trump
His name is biden

[Ef-man]

https://x.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1702910717861441913

[ducks]

:lol Trumptards shit on themselves demanding socialized medicine now.

Chumps wants to fund anyone not American citizen but lives in USA

[Ef-man]

This is why we do it.

https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1703507778034090144

[ChumpDumper]

Why is it the USA job to use American taxpayers money ?
Why not the un?
Why the USA taxpayer jobs . America tax payers are broke and the USA government is broke.

You know russia could get someone else worse than Putin.
USA got someone much worse then trump
His name is bidenPutin can stay in power.

All he has to do is leave.

[ChumpDumper]

Chumps wants to fund anyone not American citizen but lives in USA

Post Trump's health care plan for all Americans.

[Ef-man]

https://x.com/DefenceHQ/status/1702561936179630440

[ducks]

Putin can stay in power.

All he has to do is leave.


Chump you give money for that
I think usa should not . Once usa is out of debt maybe


Why do USA give to un if they do not stop Putin ?

[ducks]

Post Trump's health care plan for all Americans.

Why you post how the USA is going to pay back the 41
Billion they gave to stop Putin and have not done that

[ChumpDumper]

Chump you give money for that
I think usa should not . Once usa is out of debt maybe


Why do USA give to un if they do not stop Putin ?You cheered when Trump gave the rich a huge tax cut and exploded the national debt.

You don't care about debt at all.

[ducks]

This is why we do it.

https://x.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1703507778034090144

So after 41 billion do we continue ?
Is that going to bring the guy back or bring Putin to justice

[ducks]

You cheered when Trump gave the rich a huge tax cut and exploded the national debt.

You don't care about debt at all.


Helping Americans is one thing
Non Americans is something else
Rich Americans hire people like you

[ChumpDumper]

Helping Americans is one think
Non Americans is something else
Rich Americans hire people like youSee? You don't care about the debt at all.:tu

[ducks]

Chump is racist
He only wants to help non usa citizens

[ChumpDumper]

Chump is racist
He only wants to help non usa citizens

I know we can help citizens as well as support Ukraine.

Where's Trump's health care plan? Having trouble finding it?

[ducks]

See? You don't care about the debt at all.:tu

You want to sit on the coach and not work because no one will hire you because they broke

[ducks]

I know we can do both.

Where's Trump's health care plan? Having trouble finding it?

Prove it
How much more taxes do you need to do both ?

[ChumpDumper]

You want to sit on the coach and not work because no one will hire you because they brokeHow were the rich going to go broke with the pre-Trump tax rates?

Describe your scenario in full.

[Ef-man]

So after 41 billion do we continue ?
Is that going to bring the guy back or bring Putin to justice

You bet, yes, we should continue providing them with military equipment and resources.

The russians will take care of putin via russian justice.

[ChumpDumper]

Prove it
How much more taxes do you need to do both ?Let's start with rolling back Trump's tax cuts. That will be a great start.:tu

[ElNono]

How do we know that even if they take back Crimea that Russia doesn't rearm and try again to take it back?

So all those lives lost and money spent and we could be right back where we started and not have even solved that specific problem you purport to solve.

We know Russia won't stop until they collapse economically, that's the only thing that brings regime change there. Again, history is a great guide here.

This has happened again and again, most recently during the fall of the Berlin wall and again post-Afghanistan. You basically make them bear the cost of their actions, and being that they're a poor country, it's only a matter of time until the bottom falls from under their feet.

That's ultimately what the long-term plan is. The real question here is how does giving them a pass stops them. Explain that one to me.

[ducks]

I know we can help citizens as well as support Ukraine.

Where's Trump's health care plan? Having trouble finding it?

Why is it our responsibility ?
Is the USA the policeman of the world?

I suppose you supported the irag war which usa should have taken the oil because we helped them

[ElNono]

"Crime by Fall"

:lmao

Claimed no one here. "3-5 days" though :lmao:lmao:lmao

[ducks]

Let's start with rolling back Trump's tax cuts. That will be a great start.:tu

So you can get laid off and not have a job ?

[ElNono]

Why is it our responsibility ?
Is the USA the policeman of the world?

I suppose you supported the irag war which usa should have taken the oil because we helped them

:lol The irony of this... this from the team that loves "american exceptionalism".

[ducks]

You bet, yes, we should continue providing them with military equipment and resources.

The russians will take care of putin via russian justice.

How ?
USA is broke ?
Why have a un if they do nothing and usa just foots the bill

[Ef-man]

How ?
USA is broke ?
Why have a un if they do nothing and usa just foots the bill

You are broke; USA is not broke.

[hater]

Duck going HAM on the Chimpamzee :lmao

Dayum

[Ef-man]

Kupyansk is days :lmao

[Thread]

:lol Trumptards shit on themselves demanding socialized medicine now.

No. Every American has the same free of charge medical coverage that members of Congress have. No more. No less.

[ChumpDumper]

Why is it our responsibility ?
Is the USA the policeman of the world?Much of it, of course.


I suppose you supported the irag war which usa should have taken the oil because we helped themThat was your war.

And Trump's plan.

"You heard me, I would take the oil."
-- Donald J. Trump

[ChumpDumper]

So you can get laid off and not have a job ?I won't be laid off. Pretty simple.

The rich won't go broke. Pretty simple.

[ChumpDumper]

It's great that ducks is coming out against Trump in so many ways.:tu

[Thread]

You are broke; USA is not broke.

Lost a substantial hunk of credit rating a month ago, fart-face.

[hater]

Claimed no one here. "3-5 days" though :lmao:lmao:lmao

The US, NATO and Ukraine said it :lmao


"Crimea by Fall"

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

The US, NATO and Ukraine said it :lmao


"Crimea by Fall"

:lmao

You said 3-5 days and you will never live it down.:lmao

[ducks]

You are broke; USA is not broke.

Lol they have lost triple a credit rating by two companies
Another one soon
Be funny if if it is next October would that not be a a nice October surprise for biden

[ducks]

I won't be laid off. Pretty simple.

The rich won't go broke. Pretty simple.

No they just ship the jobs out for overseas
That will make chump happy because he is racist he only wants to help other countries not usa

[hater]

You said 3-5 days and you will never live it down.:lmao

"Crimea by Fall"

:lmao

[ducks]

No. Every American has the same free of charge medical coverage that members of Congress have. No more. No less.

Damm right

[ducks]

Ukraine is firing shells faster than can be supplied

[DMX7]

You want Ukraine and its culture and language erased form existence whether you've thought that far ahead or not. I choose not to support your genocide.

You're just an emotional wreck. There's no point in more back and forth with you because you simply ignore what I say and put words in my mouth.

[ChumpDumper]

No they just ship the jobs out for overseas
That will make chump happy because he is racist he only wants to help other countries not usaThey already did that and you still gave them more money.

[ChumpDumper]

You're just an emotional wreck. There's no point in more back and forth with you because you simply ignore what I say and put words in my mouth.So you're not going to say why I want "REVENGE" after ignoring what I said and putting words in my mouth.

Quite the emotional response from you tbh.

[DMX7]

Hopefully the fanatics don't call General Milley, Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff, an "appeaser" for stating reality.


Army Gen. Mark Milley said a quick outcome to the war in Ukraine is unlikely, noting that a Ukrainian victory in the conflict is a “very high bar” and would take a “very long time.”

Milley, who is the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and is retiring from his post at the end of this month, said that objective won’t be possible, however, in the country’s current counteroffensive.

“There’s well over 200,000 Russian troops in Russian-occupied Ukraine. This offensive, although significant, has operational and tactical objectives that are limited, in the sense that they do not — even if they are fully achieved — they don’t completely kick out all the Russians, which is the broader strategic objective that President Zelensky had,” Milley said in a CNN interview Sunday.

“That’s going to take a long time to do that. That’s going to be very significant effort over a considerable amount of time,” he continued.

He refused to say exactly how long he believes it will take, citing the changing aspects of war, but he doubted that the conflict will end any time soon.


https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4208891-top-general-removing-russia-from-ukraine-a-very-high-bar/#:~:text=Army%20Gen.%20Mark%20Milley%20said,a%20“v ery%20long%20time.”

[FrostKing]

You want Ukraine and its culture and language erased form existence whether you've thought that far ahead or not. I choose not to support your genocide.
From all reports Kiev is fine and still thriving.
So culture is safe. Other regions Ukraine leadership made the decision to not handover land in exchange for massive casualties and cities left in shambles.

Russia isn't looking to take on a foreign nation. They learned that lesson with the USSR

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hopefully the fanatics don't call General Milley, Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff, an "appeaser" for stating reality.



https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4208891-top-general-removing-russia-from-ukraine-a-very-high-bar/#:~:text=Army%20Gen.%20Mark%20Milley%20said,a%20“v ery%20long%20time.”

He said that it was going to take time to kick them all out. Certainly does not sound like he is advocating your nonsense.

That is an interesting number because Russian losses are numbering the hundreds of thousand at this point already.

[RandomGuy]

"Crimea by Fall"

:lmao

"russia will never invade"

"kherson will never fall"

Eat a dick, you russian cocksucker.

[DMX7]

He said that it was going to take time to kick them all out. Certainly does not sound like he is advocating your nonsense.

This is what he said last November.


Gen. Mark A. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters emphatically that the United States would “continue to support Ukraine as long as it takes to keep them free” and that it was “up to Ukraine to decide how or when or if they will negotiate with the Russians.” But he was equally resolute in his belief that the approaching seasonal shift, when pace of combat is expected to slow, could provide “a window” to a political solution — as pushing Russia out of Ukraine completely would be “a very difficult task,” while the likelihood of Russia defeating Ukraine “is close to zero.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/16/milley-ukraine-negotiate/

When he talks about how "difficult" it would be to completely eject Russia and then about "windows" for political solutions, it sounds to me like he is very open to negotiations that will end in lost territory for Ukraine. I don't know how to read that much differently. I just think we're at the point now where we should actually be pushing for it.

[Ef-man]

Lol they have lost triple a credit rating by two companies
Another one soon
Be funny if if it is next October would that not be a a nice October surprise for biden

Yam Tits loves you because you are poorly educated.

You are broke; the USA is not broke.

[HemisfairArena]

feminite mans panties still in a wad,,,,,lmao

[Ef-man]

Animated personality skank. :lol

https://x.com/atrupar/status/1703420424506274102

[Ef-man]

https://x.com/Tarquin_Helmet/status/1703002142305353826

[Ef-man]

The struggle is real: personal Vietnan being fought at "Beetlejuice the Musical."

https://x.com/JamesTate121/status/1703585520545087964

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[Ef-man]

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[ChumpDumper]

From all reports Kiev is fine and still thriving.
So culture is safe. Other regions Ukraine leadership made the decision to not handover land in exchange for massive casualties and cities left in shambles.

Russia isn't looking to take on a foreign nation. They learned that lesson with the USSR:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao: lmao:lmao

Why did they try to take over Kiev then?

Jesus, you are like 10% as smart as you think you are.

[ChumpDumper]

This is what he said last November.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/16/milley-ukraine-negotiate/

When he talks about how "difficult" it would be to completely eject Russia and then about "windows" for political solutions, it sounds to me like he is very open to negotiations that will end in lost territory for Ukraine. I don't know how to read that much differently. I just think we're at the point now where we should actually be pushing for it.Why do you think Putin will abide by ANY agreement?

Is there any such agreement he has actually followed?

[FrostKing]

:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao :lmao

Why did they try to take over Kiev then?

Jesus, you are like 10% as smart as you think you are.
You don't believe in Jesus.

If Ukraine didn't fight back they would have a puppet government today but they would still exist along with culture, traditions, language etc.

You went too extreme in your OP. But I have the patience with you to correct you.

[ChumpDumper]

You don't believe in Jesus.

If Ukraine didn't fight back they would have a puppet government today but they would still exist along with culture, traditions, language etc.Not if Putin has his way.

Which you want.

Why are you such a fanboy?

[FrostKing]

Not if Putin has his way.

Which you want.

Why are you such a fanboy?
I've explained this in the recent past. In the East we all fought against the Reich, discussed it with our grandparents. No one is trying to wipe out another Slav. Control and manipulate - yes. Polska controlled Moscow at one point and didn't go on some killing spree. The Holodomor is the specific counterpoint.


I want what? A fair solution that won't require rebuttals in the near future. My definition of fair solution is changing.

[ChumpDumper]

I've explained this in the recent past. In the East we all fought against the Reich, discussed it with our grandparents. No one is trying to wipe out another Slav. Control and manipulate - yes. Polska controlled Moscow at one point and didn't go on some killing spree. The Holodomor is the specific counterpoint.
:lmao



I want what? A fair solution that won't require rebuttals in the near future. My definition of fair solution is changing.

You want to appease Putin.

[FrostKing]

Can you offer a counter-point? Difficult to proceed with lol emojis

[ChumpDumper]

Can you offer a counter-point? Difficult to proceed with lol emojisWhat agreement has Putin adhered to?

What makes you think he will negotiate anything in good faith? Because you share some DNA? You think you're in the same tribe?

[FrostKing]

What agreement has Putin adhered to?
He hasn't been included in many. Rather shunned by the West.

I tend to believe he could have leveled some Ukranian cities and the West ally response would have remained the same. It's fair to credit him with restraint.

[ChumpDumper]

He hasn't been included in many. Rather shunned by the West.You didn't answer the quesiton.

How many agreements has he adhered to after armed conflicts?


I tend to believe he could have leveled some Ukranian cities and the West ally response would have remained the same. It's fair to credit him with restraint.He tried to take over the entire country. You want to give him credit for not nuking Kyiv.:lol

[FrostKing]

You didn't answer the quesiton.

How many agreements has he adhered to after armed conflicts?

He tried to take over the entire country. You want to give him credit for not nuking Kyiv.:lol
He's completed foreign agreements. You are insinuating specific agreements with specific nations. Just say so.


I disagree. He targeted specific regions he wanted to steal and is still trying to. On a scale of 1-10 I think Russia has been 6.5 in terms of aggressiveness and commitment. IMO ally help forced Russia to alter plans and leave reserves for emergency defense/West counter attack

[ChumpDumper]

He's completed foreign agreements.How many agreements has he adhered to after armed conflicts?



I disagree. He targeted specific regions he wanted to steal and is still trying to. On a scale of 1-10 I think Russia has been 6.5 in terms of aggressiveness and commitment. IMO ally help forced Russia to alter plans and leave reserves for emergency defense/West counter attackThey were trying to take Kyiv.

Why do you keep lying? What is in it for you?

[FrostKing]

How many agreements has he adhered to after armed conflicts?


They were trying to take Kyiv.

Why do you keep lying? What is in it for you?
Post all the agreements he was involved in after armed conflicts. Does Syria count?


The reason we continue to support is because we believe Russia military has another level. Otherwise shouldn't we step aside and see if they can sustain themselves?

[ChumpDumper]

Post all the agreements he was involved in after armed conflicts. Does Syria count?You have yet to list one.



The reason we continue to support is because we believe Russia military has another level. Otherwise shouldn't we step aside and see if they can sustain themselves?Please explain why you lied about Putin's not trying to take Kyiv.

[FrostKing]

You have yet to list one.


Please explain why you lied about Putin's not trying to take Kyiv.
You are looking at this from cheerleader perspective. I have Polish & EU passport. I'll be the one soldiering up and this old region holds grudges. Meaning my blood line.

I'm satisfied with how the conflict has been handled and for better & worse don't see any major events on the horizon.

[ChumpDumper]

You are looking at this from cheerleader perspective. I have Polish & EU passport. I'll be the one soldiering up and this old region holds grudges. Meaning my blood line.

I'm satisfied with how the conflict has been handled and for better & worse don't see any major events on the horizon.You can't get through any conversation without lying.

Why do you have to lie?

[FrostKing]

You can't get through any conversation without lying.

Why do you have to lie?
? What is so unbelievable?

Yah atleast 50% of my family back home is outspoken in support. 1/4 is silent supporters and roughly 5 or so (typically living/working abroad in EU) silent question the direction and/legislature taken in Poland.

Vast majority of Polska still supports. General consensus is we will fight (to a point) to keep a buffer zone from Russia.


Sidenote: overall few are taking to social media to speak their mind. Polska is a society focused on community issues - there are demonstrations often when I visit but national & global topics are brushed aside as there is little alternative. The nation is united on these topics.

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[FrostKing]

Morning Thread

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Morning Thread

Mornin'!

[hater]

Meanwhile in the USA:

https://x.com/rawsalerts/status/1703587129253670938



:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao wtf

[hater]

:lmao

https://x.com/Man_Qbvious/status/1703603123393089997

[Ef-man]

A little buffing with new paint job and it will be as good as new. -putler

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1703734039222325273

[Ef-man]

Really, it will be safe to use, no need for concern. -putler

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1703734720582812120

[ChumpDumper]

? What is so unbelievable?

Yah atleast 50% of my family back home is outspoken in support. 1/4 is silent supporters and roughly 5 or so (typically living/working abroad in EU) silent question the direction and/legislature taken in Poland.

Vast majority of Polska still supports. General consensus is we will fight (to a point) to keep a buffer zone from Russia.


Sidenote: overall few are taking to social media to speak their mind. Polska is a society focused on community issues - there are demonstrations often when I visit but national & global topics are brushed aside as there is little alternative. The nation is united on these topics.

Why did you lie saying Russia didn't try to take Kyiv?

[hater]

Must see if you dont understand where the Ukranian Banderist Nazi ideology comes from

https://x.com/narrative_hole/status/1702829589481787514

Meanwhile in 2023 Ukraine:

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1703779141860892932



:lmao nazis

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Meanwhile in 2023 Ukraine:

https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1703779141860892932



:lmao nazis

[hater]

Our F35s are defecting to Cuba :lmao :lmao :lol

:lmao :lol


https://x.com/GeneralMCNews/status/1703793265579843864

[velik_m]

https://twitter.com/MacaesBruno/status/1703794421278429446

https://twitter.com/Azovsouth/status/1703507628507144296

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1703771938911350986

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[koriwhat]

Fuck Ukraine!

[hater]

F35 fucked around....


Found out....


https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1703900799372288498

[hater]

Fuck Ukraine!

:lol

[ElNono]

The US, NATO and Ukraine said it :lmao

"Crimea by Fall"

:lmao

Exactly. No one here said it. :tu

"3-5 days" though :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

[ElNono]

Hopefully the fanatics don't call General Milley, Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff, an "appeaser" for stating reality.

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4208891-top-general-removing-russia-from-ukraine-a-very-high-bar/#:~:text=Army%20Gen.%20Mark%20Milley%20said,a%20“v ery%20long%20time.”

General Milley doesn't agree with any kind of concessions to Putler or stopping economic or military support to Ukraine.

[ElNono]

This is what he said last November.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/16/milley-ukraine-negotiate/

When he talks about how "difficult" it would be to completely eject Russia and then about "windows" for political solutions, it sounds to me like he is very open to negotiations that will end in lost territory for Ukraine. I don't know how to read that much differently. I just think we're at the point now where we should actually be pushing for it.

He's very clear and quotable, no need to 'parse' through his own words: the United States would “continue to support Ukraine as long as it takes to keep them free”.

Sounds pretty clear to me.

[ElNono]

Ultimately Miley is right that if there's going to be any concessions or political deal, it'll have to come from Ukraine, not the US.

[hater]

Exactly. No one here said it. :tu

"3-5 days" though :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

US, NATO and Ukraine did


"Crimea by Fall"

:lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

US, NATO and Ukraine did


"Crimea by Fall"

:lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao
You said Kyiv in 3-5 days.

After saying Russia would not invade.

After saying Biden was wrong about Russia's plan.

How can you live with yourself after being that wrong?

[hater]

"Kyrylo Budanov, Chief of Defence Intelligence of Ukraine (DIU), has told The Economist that the Ukrainian Defence Forces might manage to break Russia's land corridor with occupied Crimea before the onset of winter. In desperation, the Russians have deployed their reserves prematurely."

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/18/7420234/

[DMX7]

He's very clear and quotable, no need to 'parse' through his own words: the United States would “continue to support Ukraine as long as it takes to keep them free”.

Sounds pretty clear to me.

"Keep them free" doesn't speak to preservation of territorial integrity at all. In fact, it's the exact words I would use to describe my support for Ukraine. Give what is necessary to hold the territory they control (i.e., keep them free), but not to spend endless resources hopelessly trying to eject Russia from Crimea in an endless war.

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Fuck Ukraine!

& fuck 'em hard. & fuck 'em daily. But, for sure hard.

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"Keep them free" doesn't speak to preservation of territorial integrity at all. In fact, it's the exact words I would use to describe my support for Ukraine. Give what is necessary to hold the territory they control (i.e., keep them free), but not to spend endless resources hopelessly trying to eject Russia from Crimea in an endless war.

Z declared that the only way Ukraine can exact victory is if Russia gives up the 20% they hold, including the Zap plant and Southern Water and crosses back over into Russia. And that cocksucker is gonna be held to that line, so help-me-God.

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You said Kyiv in 3-5 days.

After saying Russia would not invade.

After saying Biden was wrong about Russia's plan.

How can you live with yourself after being that wrong?

He's living with me, Dumper, and trust me he ain't no picnic.

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Ultimately Miley is right that if there's going to be any concessions or political deal, it'll have to come from Ukraine, not the US.

That's the cocksucker (Milly) who threatened to assassinate President Trump on his last day in office. Oh, he's a real fuck.

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& horseshit on your point, El. It'll come from the US, and therefore it ain't comin'.

[ChumpDumper]

"Kyrylo Budanov, Chief of Defence Intelligence of Ukraine (DIU), has told The Economist that the Ukrainian Defence Forces might manage to break Russia's land corridor with occupied Crimea before the onset of winter. In desperation, the Russians have deployed their reserves prematurely."

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/18/7420234/

Are you just afraid to talk about what you said?

Ashamed?

[DMX7]

Z declared that the only way Ukraine can exact victory is if Russia gives up the 20% they hold, including the Zap plant and Southern Water and crosses back over into Russia.

He can change his stance based on the circumstances, like many politicians do.

In March 2022, when it wasn't as clear just how large the aid Ukraine would get would be, Zelensky said this:


"Security guarantees and neutrality, non-nuclear status of our state. We are ready to go for it. This is the most important point..."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60901024

[ChumpDumper]

:lol negotiating with Putin

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He can change his stance based on the circumstances, like many politicians do.

In March 2022, when it wasn't as clear just how large the aid Ukraine would get would be, Zelensky said this:



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60901024

He ain't gettin' away with anything but what I just stated. Anything less and I will crucify him on this Board forever and a day. He fucked up when he said it, and I ain't a forgettin' itPERIOD

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:lol negotiating with Putin

Oh, please, you had him over at the White House dancin' with broad ass Hillary. That hound dog Hussein sat next to him and assured a deal would get done as soon as he stomped enough shit outta McCain to fertilize Texas.

[clambake]

:lol negotiating with Putin
No shit

Who are these clowns

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No shit

Who are these clowns

Oh, please, you had him/Putin over at the White House dancin' with broad ass Hillary. That hound dog Hussein sat next to him and assured a deal would get done as soon as he stomped enough shit outta McCain to fertilize Texas.

Don't get evasive now, fart face.

[Ef-man]

Meanwhile back in real estate world of russia's partner in crime (i.e., china), the shit is beginning to stink some more :lol

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1703912482140492203

[Ef-man]

https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1703866824012579200

[ElNono]

US, NATO and Ukraine did

:lol why lie? You posted the quote here. One person said that and he doesn't post here. :tu

"3-5 days" though

:lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao

[ElNono]

"Keep them free" doesn't speak to preservation of territorial integrity at all. In fact, it's the exact words I would use to describe my support for Ukraine. Give what is necessary to hold the territory they control (i.e., keep them free), but not to spend endless resources hopelessly trying to eject Russia from Crimea in an endless war.

That's you putting words into Miley's mouth. Miley was clear as well that Ukraine, and not the US, will decide what's acceptable.

I quote Miley again, from your post: “up to Ukraine to decide how or when or if they will negotiate with the Russians.”

[ElNono]

He can change his stance based on the circumstances, like many politicians do.

In March 2022, when it wasn't as clear just how large the aid Ukraine would get would be, Zelensky said this:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60901024

I think we're in agreement that Ukraine will decide their fate, and the US will support them militarily and economically until they do :tu

[DMX7]

That's you putting words into Miley's mouth.

Nothing in any of his statements states clearly and explicitly that Ukraine's full territorial integrity must be preserved at our expense. Let me repost from the article...


But he was equally resolute in his belief that the approaching seasonal shift, when pace of combat is expected to slow, could provide “a window” to a political solution — as pushing Russia out of Ukraine completely would be “a very difficult task,”

[FrostKing]

So what's the long term resolution?

I'm thinking Ukraine is eligible for EU membership but prohibited from joining NATO for a period of time like 25+ years.


Sidenote: some of that Far-East land Ukraine should just hand over. Nation will be plenty busy rebuilding the foundation.

[clambake]

Nothing in any of his statements states clearly and explicitly that Ukraine's full territorial integrity must be preserved at our expense. Let me repost from the article...

Why don’t you just join the ranks and stop boring everyone with what you really want to say?

[DMX7]

So what's the long term resolution?

I'm thinking Ukraine is eligible for EU membership but prohibited from joining NATO for a period of time like 25+ years.

Sidenote: some of that Far-East land Ukraine should just hand over. Nation will be plenty busy rebuilding the foundation.

Most likely this will end in a frozen conflict, maybe with some sort of implicit or explicit ceasefire agreement that effectively changes the borders in Russia's favor.

Any agreement won't be based on trust but aligned interests. Neither side wants the war to go on forever, especially if they're not gaining much for the cost in lives and money.

Ukraine doesn't have the manpower to take back all the territory. This is obvious.


Why don’t you just join the ranks and stop boring everyone with what you really want to say?

I am in his ranks on this. I've stated my position before.

[clambake]

Most likely this will end in a frozen conflict, maybe with some sort of implicit or explicit ceasefire agreement that effectively changes the borders in Russia's favor.

Any agreement won't be based on trust but aligned interests. Neither side wants the war to go on forever, especially if they're not gaining much for the cost in lives and money.

Ukraine doesn't have the manpower to take back all the territory. This is obvious.
Yep

They need help. We give that with partners and you don’t like it for some reason…..that you just won’t own.

[FrostKing]

Most likely this will end in a frozen conflict, maybe with some sort of implicit or explicit ceasefire agreement that effectively changes the borders in Russia's favor.

Any agreement won't be based on trust but aligned interests. Neither side wants the war to go on forever, especially if they're not gaining much for the cost in lives and money.

Ukraine doesn't have the manpower to take back all the territory. This is obvious.
Even if Ukraine joins EU soon, it will take years before foreigners have consistent access to the Far-East. Yah it will remain this borderless area with continued skirmishes.

[FrostKing]

Yep

They need help. We give that with partners and you don’t like it for some reason…..that you just won’t own.
Ukraine is arguably too large for its own good. If they can't themselves keep that land then at some point maybe it's better off returning to Russian hands.

It's irresponsible to pump a foreign nation with "steroids" knowing sooner than later the drugs will run dry.



Sidenote: Ukraine is nearly the same size of Germany & Poland combined.

[RandomGuy]

So what's the long term resolution?

I'm thinking Ukraine is eligible for EU membership but prohibited from joining NATO for a period of time like 25+ years.


Sidenote: some of that Far-East land Ukraine should just hand over. Nation will be plenty busy rebuilding the foundation.

Fuck no. Ukraine in the EU and NATO in less than 5 years. Fast track.

Russia gets the fuck all the way out. If we are lucky it decolonizes.

[RandomGuy]

Ukraine is arguably too large for its own good. If they can't themselves keep that land then at some point maybe it's better off returning to Russian hands.

I'm sure that is what Molotov and Ribbentrop were thinking.

smh never thought I would see a Pole who kisses russian ass, but I knew they had to exist.

[RandomGuy]

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1703828844984009122

[FrostKing]

Haha. It's about finding a fair resolution. Not hating or kissing.

Except for $$$, there is little gained from including Ukraine in NATO today. Just instigates neighboring nations.

Joining EU is good enough. Protection and allows rebuilding (West buying everything)

[clambake]

Ukraine is arguably too large for its own good. If they can't themselves keep that land then at some point maybe it's better off returning to Russian hands.

It's irresponsible to pump a foreign nation with "steroids" knowing sooner than later the drugs will run dry.



Sidenote: Ukraine is nearly the same size of Germany & Poland combined.

Better off lol

Poland deserves so much better than you.

[DMX7]

Even if Ukraine joins EU soon, it will take years before foreigners have consistent access to the Far-East. Yah it will remain this borderless area with continued skirmishes.

I'm not sure what is going to be harder... Ukraine joining the EU or Ukraine joining NATO.

Ukraine is an agricultural power that is going to want a huge share of the EU ag subsidies that are extremely politically sensitive. That alone could derail things without a major compromise.

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I'm not sure what is going to be harder... Ukraine joining the EU or Ukraine joining NATO.

Ukraine is an agricultural power that is going to want a huge share of the EU ag subsidies that are extremely politically sensitive. That alone could derail things without a major compromise.

On 4 hands & 4 knees Biden & Blinken will crawl in & beg 'er done.

[FrostKing]

Better off lol

Poland deserves so much better than you.
Polish-Nationalist viewpoint would be split up Ukraine and give us back Lviv


"Ukraine was part of the Polish state for longer than it was inside Russia – and this is key to understanding why Ukrainians are different from Russians. In other words, it is impossible to comprehend Ukraine's history without examining the impact of both Poland and Russia."

[clambake]

Polish-Nationalist viewpoint would be split up Ukraine and give us back Lviv

You sir are phony rubbish.

If only something was believable about you.

[FrostKing]

You sir are phony rubbish.

If only something was believable about you.
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During/after WW2 we lost the Gray and gained the Red. Soviet decision.

[velik_m]

Haha. It's about finding a fair resolution. Not hating or kissing.

Except for $$$, there is little gained from including Ukraine in NATO today. Just instigates neighboring nations.

Joining EU is good enough. Protection and allows rebuilding (West buying everything)

There is plenty to gain from Ukraine in NATO. They have one of the strongest armies in Europe, if not the strongest, and certainly the most experienced. Only one "neighboring nation" would be "instigated" and their opinion on this issue does not matter.

EU membership is far harder to complete than NATO and lets not forget all this started over path to EU membership in 2014, NATO was never even considered back then, so that would be just as "instigating" to their shitty neighbor.

The land is not Russian, there is nothing to "return" to them. They have plenty of their own land.

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There is plenty to gain from Ukraine in NATO. They have one of the strongest armies in Europe, if not the strongest, and certainly the most experienced. Only one "neighboring nation" would be "instigated" and their opinion on this issue does not matter.

EU membership is far harder to complete than NATO and lets not forget all this started over path to EU membership in 2014, NATO was never even considered back then, so that would be just as "instigating" to their shitty neighbor.

The land is not Russian, there is nothing to "return" to them. They have plenty of their own land.

Horseshit.

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Polish-Nationalist viewpoint would be split up Ukraine and give us back Lviv


"Ukraine was part of the Polish state for longer than it was inside Russia – and this is key to understanding why Ukrainians are different from Russians. In other words, it is impossible to comprehend Ukraine's history without examining the impact of both Poland and Russia."

(They) don't & won't hear it, Frosty. If (they) ain't willing to acknowledge Nazi's in there they sure as hell won't entertain your claim that Poland owned Ukraine. Thank Christ, it's over the Internet, otherwise they'd be on your front door stoop.

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[Splits]

Exactly. No one here said it. :tu

I never heard anyone say it, Ukraine, NATO, etc. Except hater with his strawman.


"3-5 days" though :lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao

:lmao

[Splits]

"Kyrylo Budanov, Chief of Defence Intelligence of Ukraine (DIU), has told The Economist that the Ukrainian Defence Forces might manage to break Russia's land corridor with occupied Crimea before the onset of winter. In desperation, the Russians have deployed their reserves prematurely."

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/09/18/7420234/

that's not "crimea by fall". that's 1 guy saying they hope to break the land bridge before winter, and you probably don't even know what that is.

nice strawman though

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that's not "crimea by fall". that's 1 guy saying they hope to break the land bridge before winter, and you probably don't even know what that is.

nice strawman though

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[hater]

How it Started: "Crimea by Fall!!"

How its going: "Crimea by 2025!!"


:lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol :lmao :lol

[hater]

:lmao

https://x.com/C3PMeme/status/1703869885401440526

[hater]

:lmao :lol :lmao

https://x.com/C3PMeme/status/1703889398020870334

[horseshue]

Fuck no. Ukraine in the EU and NATO in less than 5 years. Fast track.

Russia gets the fuck all the way out. If we are lucky it decolonizes.

Ukraine ir like 25 years behind the poorest EU regions. And that was before the war. No way they will join EU in 5 years. The amount of corruption there is mindblowing.

[ChumpDumper]

How it Started: "Crimea by Fall!!"

How its going: "Crimea by 2025!!"


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How it started: "3-5 days!"

How is it going now, hater?

[hater]

How it started: "3-5 days!"

How is it going now, hater?

"Rubble will be rublles"
"Running out of tanks"
"Ran out of missiles yesterday"
"Using shovels"
"Using refrigerator chips on their missiles"


:lmao

Going pretty pretty pretty well niglet :lol

[RandomGuy]

[lazy attempt to pwn the libs]

There are so many rotting russian war dead around bakhmut, that you can find the area by smell alone, for MILES around.

[RandomGuy]

:lmao

Rubles, gold, bitcoin good

Dollars, euro no good


:lol



Ruble at 98 to a dollar.

Nowhere to go but down. Hilarious watching India get a ton of free oil because they deposited their rupee payments in bank that won't transfer the funds to RUS because of the sanctions. :rollin

[hater]

There are so many rotting russian war dead around bakhmut, that you can find the area by smell alone, for MILES around.

Biden killed 400 thousand Ukranians.

Ce la vi