Ukraine

[Thread]

I seem to recall that Brandon's predecessor embargoed military aid to Ukraine for some reason or another, can someone refresh my memory?

I got this...

Trump President.
Not Clinton.

[hater]

I seem to recall that Brandon's predecessor embargoed military aid to Ukraine for some reason or another, can someone refresh my memory?

World peace :tu

Cheers :tu

[hater]

https://twitter.com/RealPepeEscobar/status/1492050290761154582?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/RealPepeEscobar/status/1492387664338866177?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/RealPepeEscobar/status/1492791922552975360?s=19

[ChumpDumper]

:lol there's a fake Pepe Escobar?

[hater]

https://twitter.com/BullshittsDream/status/1492141257145135106?s=20&t=uMUcv7hWB6Tp5rbT2o9E8g

[CosmicCowboy]

Nope. What bothers me is your glee at the prospect. You and SnakeBoy can't even be raped because you consent to being assfucked.

Gee Chump...your fixation on anal is an illuminating tell. And predicting Russia invading Ukraine based on the existing fact set is not the same as rooting for it. Its called accepting reality.

[CosmicCowboy]

I have been saying all along that Putin isn't afraid of sanctions and if he wants Ukraine he will take it.

[ChumpDumper]

Gee Chump...your fixation on anal is an illuminating tell. And predicting Russia invading Ukraine based on the existing fact set is not the same as rooting for it. Its called accepting reality.And you want the US to do absolutely nothing about it.

Hence your bending over for Putin.

Prove me wrong.

[CosmicCowboy]

And you want the US to do absolutely nothing about it.

Hence your bending over for Putin.

Prove me wrong.

I expect the US to do nothing about it. What do you expect?

[CosmicCowboy]

The rest of NATO wants nothing to do with pissing off Russia. Its winter and cold as shit and they need the russian gas. US won't act unilaterally.

[ChumpDumper]

I expect the US to do nothing about it. What do you expect?Not even a single sanction?

Damn, another sub.

[ElNono]

The rest of NATO wants nothing to do with pissing off Russia. Its winter and cold as shit and they need the russian gas. US won't act unilaterally.

Well, what do you know. The US will be first in line to sell liquefied gas at affordable prices to our allies, continuing the expansion of gas exports.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=50598

Pretty convenient, tbh

[CosmicCowboy]

Not even a single sanction?

Damn, another sub.

Sanctions? Sure chump. We will do token shit. Wont change anything.

[ChumpDumper]

Sanctions? Sure chump. We will do token shit. Wont change anything.Still haven't seen your actually wanting to do anything but bend over.

[CosmicCowboy]

Still haven't seen your actually wanting to do anything but bend over.

So what do you want to do, warmonger?

I play poker. I have looked at my US cards and its time to fold for this hand.

[SnakeBoy]

Well, what do you know. The US will be first in line to sell liquefied gas at affordable prices to our allies, continuing the expansion of gas exports.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=50598

Pretty convenient, tbh

:tu

Murica 1st

[ElNono]

:tu

Murica 1st

15D chess

https://media3.giphy.com/media/xJZqONXcsUpXeiXjYR/200.gif?cid=95b27944095ed8822c3416908b16cefa04be88 b3c223c6b9&rid=200.gif&ct=g

[RandomGuy]

The rest of NATO wants nothing to do with pissing off Russia. Its winter and cold as shit and they need the russian gas. US won't act unilaterally.

Pissing off or not pissing off... No nation in europe wants to see a democratically elected government toppled by a military invasion from an autocratic dictator.

If Russia pulls the trigger, they pretty much would already be pissed off.

The plot thickens as Putin's superyacht abandons some substantial overhauls being done in Germany, and sailed for Russian port several days ago. One really has to wonder why, if the build up is really a bluff, why this would happen. It is possible that this is just part of trying to be as convincing as possible about how serious they are, but this snippet of news is, for me, he kind of "tell" that really says something is about to go down.

Putin's Yacht ‘Graceful’ Abruptly Leaves Germany Amid Sanctions Warnings Over Ukraine--
https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/putins-yacht-graceful-abruptly-leaves-germany-amid-sanctions-warnings-over-ukraine-articleshow.html

[RandomGuy]

Well, what do you know. The US will be first in line to sell liquefied gas at affordable prices to our allies, continuing the expansion of gas exports.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=50598

Pretty convenient, tbh

Not sure we can really supply enough of Europe to make a dent in replacing Russian natgas, but yeah, this might save us from the fracking bust we are undergoing.

[RandomGuy]

I seem to recall that Brandon's predecessor embargoed military aid to Ukraine for some reason or another, can someone refresh my memory?

Wanting to reset relations with Russia. One of Obama's major foreign policy blunders. One Biden has spent years studying, so the current US response has been remarkably effective, in terms of messaging, information warfare, and wrangling hesitant allies, as a result.

[Trill Clinton]

Russia and NK are the guys in a fight who always talk about what they're "going to do" and never do shit but run they mouth. Stfu and sit yall scary asses down somewhere before big brother America fuck yall entire life up for the world to see.

[Thread]

Russia and NK are the guys in a fight who always talk about what they're "going to do" and never do shit but run they mouth. Stfu and sit yall scary asses down somewhere before big brother America fuck yall entire life up for the world to see.

Though Putin did sack Crimea while Hussein was busy race hustling his ass off, TC.

[CosmicCowboy]

Pissing off or not pissing off... No nation in europe wants to see a democratically elected government toppled by a military invasion from an autocratic dictator.

If Russia pulls the trigger, they pretty much would already be pissed off.

The plot thickens as Putin's superyacht abandons some substantial overhauls being done in Germany, and sailed for Russian port several days ago. One really has to wonder why, if the build up is really a bluff, why this would happen. It is possible that this is just part of trying to be as convincing as possible about how serious they are, but this snippet of news is, for me, he kind of "tell" that really says something is about to go down.

Putin's Yacht ‘Graceful’ Abruptly Leaves Germany Amid Sanctions Warnings Over Ukraine--
https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/rest-of-the-world-news/putins-yacht-graceful-abruptly-leaves-germany-amid-sanctions-warnings-over-ukraine-articleshow.html

Posted 4 days ago:


Putins superyacht was in Germany being repaired. He just pulled it out of Germany before the repairs were finished and returned it to Russia where it couldn't be confiscated if he invades.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-superyacht-abruptly-left-germany-amid-sanction-warnings-should-russia-invade-ukraine-report/ar-AATFvN3

[Thread]

Wanting to reset relations with Russia. One of Obama's major foreign policy blunders. One Biden has spent years studying, so the current US response has been remarkably effective, in terms of messaging, information warfare, and wrangling hesitant allies, as a result.

Whoop-de-do, RG, he's threatened to rob their $, SOP.

How has he wrangled Germany? They ain't giving up that oil from Russia. That's almost as important as the gift they get from America...where they don't have to send their children to the slaughters because they have Hitler in their history. Lucky them, RG. Instead we send our children to said slaughters in the German's place, they come back thru Dover, AFB, and Biden meets 'em out there with his watch.

Mornin', RG.

[hater]

Russia and NK are the guys in a fight who always talk about what they're "going to do" and never do shit but run they mouth. Stfu and sit yall scary asses down somewhere before big brother America fuck yall entire life up for the world to see.

Syria says hi, Cindy

[hater]

Putin draining the swamp :tu

‘Oligarchs’ flee Ukraine – media
Media have claimed that a slew of top businessmen, including Kiev’s wealthiest man, have left the country in the recent days

[RandomGuy]

How is that straw? The truth that Biden Is gonna let Putin absorb Ukraine seems to really bother you.

"Absorb"? no.

I think this starts Cold War two, and I can absolutely see NATO arming partisans. This is gonna get fugly.

[hater]

:lmao

"Frozen ground" :lol morons

https://twitter.com/MarquardtA/status/1493196845530873861?s=20&t=o30KHTTOr9dMQmAIUYb7_g

[hater]

:lmao these clowns :lmao

N:lolt:lol

https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1492508719455916032?s=19

How can anyone take what Nato or US government say seriously????

:lol

[hater]

:lmao nat:lol :lol

Another bullshit story ends badly :lol

https://twitter.com/Russ_Warrior/status/1493215459738595328?s=20&t=GiV-8U9d2PChIj2W-Wm5VQ

[hater]

https://twitter.com/Russ_Warrior/status/1493215459738595328?s=20&t=GiV-8U9d2PChIj2W-Wm5VQ

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao these clowns :lmao

N:lolt:lol

https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1492508719455916032?s=19

How can anyone take what Nato or US government say seriously????

:lol
If he doesn't do any of that, NATO gets what it wants.

If what you say will happen does happen, NATO gets what it wants.

Are you sure you still want what NATO wants, hater?

[hater]

If he doesn't do any of that, NATO gets what it wants.

If what you say will happen does happen, NATO gets what it wants.

Are you sure you still want what NATO wants, hater?

Your war has been put on hold again, neocon

Thus why u are so angry :lol

:tu. World peace :tu

Cheers :tu

[CosmicCowboy]

Beijing Olympics end Sunday the 20th. Out of deference to Xi, Putin will probably wait until then.

[ChumpDumper]

Your war has been put on hold again, neocon

Thus why u are so angry :lol

:tu. World peace :tu

Cheers :tu

You admit NATO is getting what it wants.:tu

[hater]

Beijing Olympics end Sunday the 20th. Out of deference to Xi, Putin will probably wait until then.

:lmao

That makes zero sense. Why would Putin wait for some miserable games to end :lol

There wont be any invasion. Russia will discoose their next steps to the public in response to NATO rejection of their proporsals.

Possibly yes this might include the "technical military measures" they have hinted for weeks. Believe me these wont include military invasion of kyev :lmao

[hater]

You admit NATO is getting what it wants.:tu

They are not. They want war. Because nato is the US. Always has been.

So they are absolutely not getting what they want. Neither are you.

Thats why u are so angry :lmao

What a warmonger :lol

[ChumpDumper]

They are not. They want war. Because nato is the US. Always has been.

So they are absolutely not getting what they want. Neither are you.

Thats why u are so angry :lmao

What a warmonger :lol

:lol I don't want a war in Europe. NATO exists to prevent a war in Europe.

No invasion means NATO gets what it wants and you lose.:tu

:lol ignorant hater

[hater]

:lol I don't want a war in Europe.

Good me too. We qre both getting what we want then.

:tu

Cheers :tu


World peace :tu

[ChumpDumper]

Good me too. We qre both getting what we want then.

:tu

Cheers :tu


World peace :tu

NATO is getting what it wants.:tu

[LaMarcus Bryant]

fingers crossed Russia invades so we can all lol at the ensuing humiliation of their shitty army and domestic turmoil due to dead soldiers that follows

[hater]

NATO is getting what it wants.:tu

Nope US/Nato wants war thats obvious

They are absolutely not getting what they want :tu

Cheers :tu

[ChumpDumper]

Nope US/Nato wants war thats obvious

They are absolutely not getting what they want :tu

Cheers :tu

Explain why NATO wants war here.

Try to make sense.

[hater]

Explain why NATO wants war here.

Try to make sense.

Pretty simple, nancy

NATO wants to expand eastward in europe. They want to checkmate Russia.

They cant do that unless theres violence in Ukraine.

You are welcome :tu

[ChumpDumper]

Pretty simple, nancy

NATO wants to expand eastward in europe. They want to checkmate Russia.

They cant do that unless theres violence in Ukraine.

You are welcome :tuHow would that help NATO advance eastward?

Are you saying NATO thinks it can totally expel Russia from Ukraine including Crimea?

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Beijing Olympics end Sunday the 20th. Out of deference to Xi, Putin will probably wait until then.

I agree he wouldn't invade during the Olympics. No rush except it would need to be done before it gets too warm in the rest of Europe.

[hater]

How would that help NATO advance eastward?

Are you saying NATO thinks it can totally expel Russia from Ukraine including Crimea?

:lmao

There is no other way for them to expand eastward. Russia has made sure of that.

Cheers :tu

[ChumpDumper]

There is no other way for them to expand eastward. Russia has made sure of that.

Cheers :tuYour theory is that NATO wants Russia to invade the rest of Ukraine so NATO can militarily kick Russia out of all of Ukraine so Ukraine will join NATO of its own accord.

:lol

PS: Sweden and Finland are east of NATO's current footprint as well.

:lol ignorant hater doesn't even know the basics of European geography

[Thread]

fingers crossed Russia invades so we can all lol at the ensuing humiliation of their shitty army and domestic turmoil due to dead soldiers that follows

+++ MF Biden having to eat the big one once and again.

[hater]

Your theory is that NATO wants Russia to invade the rest of Ukraine so NATO can militarily kick Russia out of all of Ukraine so Ukraine will join NATO of its own accord.

:lol

PS: Sweden and Finland are east of NATO's current footprint as well.

:lol ignorant hater doesn't even know the basics of European geography

Wrong on all counts. (Not surprising)

[ChumpDumper]

Wrong on all counts. (Not surprising)You think Sweden and Finland aren't east of the current NATO footprint?

:lmao

What is your theory about Ukraine?

Explain yourself for once.

Also, what is your theory about the physical location of Sweden and Finland in Europe?

[LaMarcus Bryant]

+++ MF Biden having to eat the big one once and again.

Biden likely wants war bc Russia is gonna get their asses stomped and Biden and dems will look great and powerful.

[pgardn]

:lmao

That makes zero sense. Why would Putin wait for some miserable games to end :lol

There wont be any invasion. Russia will discoose their next steps to the public in response to NATO rejection of their proporsals.

Possibly yes this might include the "technical military measures" they have hinted for weeks. Believe me these wont include military invasion of kyev :lmao

The bolded is a step off a cliff… believe you…

If Russia wants Kyiv, they have Kyiv.
Easily.
But the aftermath is highly unpredictable and could be extraordinarily ugly. They don’t need another Chechnya by creating a guerrilla movement supplied by the West that involves blowing up shit in Moscow. However they might not even be comparable conflicts as Chechnya had/has many more ethnic and religious differences.

The above involves giving simple cases in both directions, something Hater finds impossible to do in one post. He just makes opposite posts on the same unknown and then “called it” with the reasoning of a child to back him.
Hater on Lavrov “My Nikka j-walked in front of Canadian authorities on a street in Montreal! :wow “
5th grade diplomatic reasoning.

Hater can’t say he does not know.

[hater]

The bolded is a step off a cliff… believe you…

If Russia wants Kyiv, they have Kyiv.
Easily.
But the aftermath is highly unpredictable and could be extraordinarily ugly. They don’t need another Chechnya by creating a guerrilla movement supplied by the West that involves blowing up shit in Moscow. However they might not even be comparable conflicts as Chechnya had/has many more ethnic and religious differences.

The above involves giving simple cases in both directions, something Hater finds impossible to do in one post. He just makes opposite posts on the same unknown and then “called it” with the reasoning of a child to back him.
Hater on Lavrov “My Nikka j-walked in front of Canadian authorities on a street in Montreal! :wow “
5th grade diplomatic reasoning.

Hater can’t say he does not know.

Didnt read.

Cheers :tu

[pgardn]

Dont understand basics.

Cheers :tu

[SnakeBoy]

15D chess

https://media3.giphy.com/media/xJZqONXcsUpXeiXjYR/200.gif?cid=95b27944095ed8822c3416908b16cefa04be88 b3c223c6b9&rid=200.gif&ct=g

The real BOSS move will be if he listens to the lefties and stops US energy exports.

Pulling us off the global energy market would be the ultimate Murica 1st move. Would make him the greatest POTUS ever tbh.

[SnakeBoy]

https://charts.stocktwits.com/production/original_436263233.png

Weird they used a photo from The Mayor of Kingstown

[SnakeBoy]

Not sure we can really supply enough of Europe to make a dent in replacing Russian natgas, but yeah, this might save us from the fracking bust we are undergoing.

Fracking bust is over

[Thread]

Biden likely wants war bc Russia is gonna get their asses stomped and Biden and dems will look great and powerful.

I don't see it that-a-way, he knows the U.S.A. won't come onto the battlefield after we just fled Afghanistan, so, he can do whatever he wants to---whenever he wants to stop he'll stop. He just needs to get 'er started up. That first strike is the hardest, once he spills blood he'll be okay.

I want to see Biden grovel and take a fit, have egg on his face, along with those busted nose blood vessels that signal the sauce is being imbibed. Joe knows we're watching, "we're" meaning me and the others who hate him. He ain't no country preacher, or, set aside fellow. Uh, uh, he wants to stop Putin, sure, but he wants those who hate him to get stuffed here. If he gets Putin to stop FOR WHATEVER REASON Joe winsPERIOD

I want to cock-a-doodle-do in Joe's face as Putin breaks his ass.

[hater]

I don't see it that-a-way, he knows the U.S.A. won't come onto the battlefield after we just fled Afghanistan, so, he can do whatever he wants to---whenever he wants to stop he'll stop. He just needs to get 'er started up. That first strike is the hardest, once he spills blood he'll be okay.

I want to see Biden grovel and take a fit, have egg on his face, along with those busted nose blood vessels that signal the sauce is being imbibed. Joe knows we're watching, "we're" meaning me and the others who hate him. He ain't no country preacher, or, set aside fellow. Uh, uh, he wants to stop Putin, sure, but he wants those who hate him to get stuffed here. If he gets Putin to stop FOR WHATEVER REASON Joe winsPERIOD

I want to cock-a-doodle-do in Joe's face as Putin breaks his ass.

Giuseppe

[Thread]

Thread (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=19320) is a fucking toad. Dude is a pudding cuck boy. :lol

I like to watch, sure. Never denied it.

It's my religion.

[hater]

I like to watch, sure. Never denied it.

It's my religion.

Giusseppe

[Thread]

Giusseppe

I like a to a watch. I a sneak in a side a door. I a spit on a springs so I uh not be a heard. I take off a my a sandals, step a pop top, cut a my a heel, had to a rush a rome, I mean a home. How you say, ass in a air. I don't a know whether to shit, or, how you say, go blind. So, I a cry, then a watch the Mary a Tyler a Moore a show. Chiao!

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I don't see it that-a-way, he knows the U.S.A. won't come onto the battlefield after we just fled Afghanistan, so, he can do whatever he wants to---whenever he wants to stop he'll stop. He just needs to get 'er started up. That first strike is the hardest, once he spills blood he'll be okay.

I want to see Biden grovel and take a fit, have egg on his face, along with those busted nose blood vessels that signal the sauce is being imbibed. Joe knows we're watching, "we're" meaning me and the others who hate him. He ain't no country preacher, or, set aside fellow. Uh, uh, he wants to stop Putin, sure, but he wants those who hate him to get stuffed here. If he gets Putin to stop FOR WHATEVER REASON Joe winsPERIOD

I want to cock-a-doodle-do in Joe's face as Putin breaks his ass.

USA doesn't have to come to any battlefield for Russia to be humiliated and lose a shit ton of lives and unspeakable amounts of $$$$ in fucked up tanks and equipment

[RandomGuy]

USA doesn't have to come to any battlefield for Russia to be humiliated and lose a shit ton of lives and unspeakable amounts of $$$$ in fucked up tanks and equipment

You will notice that Thread is actively rooting for an invasion, and all the accompanying loss of innocent lives, for the sole reason "to make Biden miserable".

So, he has gone off the deep end into outright evil. A step beyond normal trolling.

[Trill Clinton]

Russia bust a grape yet?

[RandomGuy]

Russia bust a grape yet?

My take: you will know it is happening when the internet goes down.
Russia has the capability to attack undersea cables, and conduct cyberwarfare on a massive scale, hitting the internet both physically and online.
My guess is that he will use that to disrupt Command and Control of NATO and Ukraine, since that is consistent with his pattern.

Heard some speculation that is tomorrow.

Looking close to the inflection point. Units have left bivouac areas, and are in position to advance. If the order is going to be given it will be within days.

if not... it will have been a massive, sophisticated bluff. It will mean that the next time he does something like this it will not be taken as seriously.

I think the second order consequences are going to be bad for him either way. Get into a highly unpopular war as an aggressor that draws steep sanctions, or be not taken as seriously for threats next time.

lose/lose, and definitely overplaying his hand. He will get some of what he wants, at a very, very steep cost.

Dunno.

One one hand, a full invasion is not consistent with his pattern of use of force.

OTOH, all the indicators of an invasion are there, very strong indicators.

Guess we will see. Germany has the last shot at diplomacy, so we will see how that goes.

[Thread]

You will notice that Thread is actively rooting for an invasion, and all the accompanying loss of innocent lives, for the sole reason "to make Biden miserable".

So, he has gone off the deep end into outright evil. A step beyond normal trolling.

Well, if he didn't notice, he notices now, RG.

tee, hee.

[Thread]

USA doesn't have to come to any battlefield for Russia to be humiliated and lose a shit ton of lives and unspeakable amounts of $$$$ in fucked up tanks and equipment

The only way they (Russia) gets humiliated now is if they turn that army of "at least 130,000 troops!"/CNN and retreat back to hearth and home.

I cannot believe he moved "at least 130,000 troops!"/CNN down there just to turn tail and go back home.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

You will notice that Thread is actively rooting for an invasion, and all the accompanying loss of innocent lives, for the sole reason "to make Biden miserable".

So, he has gone off the deep end into outright evil. A step beyond normal trolling.

Yeah. I mean I was actively hoping for every old fat redneck maga's heart to explode from corona leading up to the last 2 waves so :lol

[hater]

USA doesn't have to come to any battlefield for Russia to be humiliated and lose a shit ton of lives and unspeakable amounts of $$$$ in fucked up tanks and equipment

Lol Mickey Mouse geopolotical logic :lol

[LaMarcus Bryant]

The only way they (Russia) gets humiliated now is if they turn that army of "at least 130,000 troops!"/CNN and retreat back to hearth and home.

I cannot believe he moved "at least 130,000 troops!"/CNN down there just to turn tail and go back home.

they're limited to what routes they can take by swamps and if they actually try to go into an urban area they'll get so fucked and humiliated Putin would prob get assassinated for bringing shame to mother russia :lol

[hater]

The only way they (Russia) gets humiliated now is if they turn that army of "at least 130,000 troops!"/CNN and retreat back to hearth and home.

I cannot believe he moved "at least 130,000 troops!"/CNN down there just to turn tail and go back home.

:lmao

[Thread]

Yeah. I mean I was actively hoping for every old fat redneck maga's heart to explode from corona leading up to the last 2 waves so :lol

- "I'm livin' still, and I'll be back again and again and again..."

- Glen Campbell - "Highwayman"

[Ef-man]

- "I'm livin' still, and I'll be back again and again and again..."

- Glen Campbell - "Highwayman"

Take your meds Alan.

lmpoormentalhealthcrisisshowingao!!!!!

[hater]

:lmao Nat:lol

Called it :tu

https://twitter.com/alexsalvinews/status/1493518362185510918?s=19

[TimDunkem]

hater, you have no clue why Russia is at the border, huh? These are negotiation tactics.

[hater]

hater, you have no clue why Russia is at the border, huh? These are negotiation tactics.

:lol russia is not at the border

[hater]

:lol no wonder US wanted Russia to attack. We will be forced to pay their bills to avoid their economic collapse

:lmao

:lol joe build back better in ukraine :lol

U.S. Action to Strengthen Ukraine’s Economy

The United States is reaffirming our strong commitment to the Ukrainian people by joining with allies and partners to mobilize robust international support for Ukraine. The U.S. government is offering a sovereign loan guarantee to Ukraine of up to $1 billion to support its economic reform agenda and continued engagement with the International Monetary Fund (IMF).  This offer – combined with the strong partnership between Ukraine, the IMF, other international financial institutions, the G7 and other bilateral donors – will bolster Ukraine’s ability to ensure economic stability, growth, and prosperity for its people in the face of Russia’s destabilizing behavior.

[TimDunkem]

:lol russia is not at the border
Oh okay you're just trolling. Got it. :tu

[hater]

:lmao the poor german guy got obliterated :wow

https://twitter.com/ASBMilitary/status/1493622141161558019?s=19

:lmao

[hater]

Oh okay you're just trolling. Got it. :tu

Nope

[ChumpDumper]

If Russia doesn't invade, NATO gets what it wants.

hater loses

[hater]

If Russia doesn't invade, NATO gets what it wants.

hater loses

Fake news. I been rooting for peace.

Unlike you, neocon. Who has been rooting for war.

Taking a look at the history of this thread proves it.

Cheeers :tu

[ChumpDumper]

Fake news. I been rooting for peace.

Unlike you, neocon. Who has been rooting for war.

Taking a look at the history of this thread proves it.

Cheeers :tuShow the quote where I root for war.

Or fold and lose again.

[Thread]

Take your meds Alan.

lmpoormentalhealthcrisisshowingao!!!!!

lmemulatedao!!!

[Thread]

If Russia doesn't invade, NATO gets what it wants.

Sad, but tragically true. Putin will have shit the bed.

[hater]

Show the quote where I root for war.

Or fold and lose again.

Dinner is served :lmao


:lmao so YOU personally want to bend over like a bitch for Putin and let him fuck you straight up your rectum, no questions asked and a grateful smile on your face.

:lmao no surprise

Joe is doing more than your sub ass would ever do and that's fine with me.




:lmao Chimp

[ChumpDumper]

Dinner is served :lmao




:lmao Chimp:lmao not one mention of war

hater loses again

[SnakeBoy]

https://i.imgur.com/JEpJVm2.jpeg

[DMC]

https://i.imgur.com/JEpJVm2.jpeg

Terrible opening defense

[pgardn]

Lol Mickey Mouse geopolotical logic :lol

geopolitical logic... Hater admonishing another poster on geopolitical logic...

God I love this site.

[ChumpDumper]

geopolitical logic... Hater admonishing another poster on geopolitical logic...

God I love this site.

:lol hater doesn't even know where Finland is.

[pgardn]

Terrible opening move

Putin.

Making NATO stronger everyday.
All while it could just go away.

- A poem

[pgardn]

:lol hater doesn't even know where Finland is.

Putin attempting to drive Finland into NATO as well.
They were doing just fine without.
Send a few more subs into Finnish waters just to exacerbate the situation Vlad. Another good opening move.

[RandomGuy]

Show the quote where I root for war.

Or fold and lose again.


[presents post that has nothing to do with rooting for war, does victory dance as if it did]

:rollin

Classic hater.

[RandomGuy]

[post from conservative propaganda site that relies on lies for humor]

speaking of classic... :lol

[hater]

:lmao neocon warmongers masturbating each other :lol

[hater]

https://twitter.com/Jagarchefen/status/1493654392293277696?s=19

[hater]

Tulsi :tu

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1493522316952629248?s=19

[hater]

"I cannot dismiss the suspicion that we are witnessing an elaborate charade, grossly magnified by prominent elements of the American media, to serve a domestic political end. Facing rising inflation, the ravages of Omicron, blame (for the most part unfair) for the withdrawal from Afghanistan, plus the failure to get the full support of his own party for the Build Back Better legislation, the Biden administration is staggering under sagging approval ratings just as it gears up for this year’s congressional elections. Since clear "victories" on the domestic woes seem increasingly unlikely, why not fabricate one by posing as if he prevented the invasion of Ukraine by "standing up to Vladimir Putin"? Actually, it seems most likely that President Putin’s goals are what he says they are – and as he has been saying since his speech in Munich in 2007. To simplify and paraphrase, I would sum them up as: "Treat us with at least a modicum of respect. We do not threaten you or your allies, why do you refuse us the security you insist for yourself?" "


:tu

https://original.antiwar.com/Jack_Matlock/2022/02/14/todays-crisis-over-ukraine-was-avoidable-and-predictable/

[hater]

:tu

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/02/14/nord-stream-geopolitics-of-keeping-germany-down-russia-out-and-instability-ukraine/



The authoritative Global Times in an editorial warns that the U.S. is instigating conflict in Ukraine in order to tighten bloc discipline – to corral European States back into the U.S.-led fold. No doubt, China makes the connection that Ukraine provides the perfect pivot for shepherding Europe towards America’s next stage of requiring a united front with the U.S. for the later task of barricading-in China, behind her borders.

In play, therefore, are key decisions that will define Europe for the future. On the one hand, (as Pepe Escobar noted some two years ago), “the goal of Russian and Chinese policy is to recruit Germany into a triple alliance locking together the Eurasian land mass à la Mackinder into the greatest geopolitical alliance in history – switching world power in favour of these three great powers, and against Anglo-Saxon sea power”.

And on the other hand, NATO was conceived, from the outset, as a means of Anglo-American control over Europe and more precisely for keeping Germany ‘down’, and Russia ‘out’ (in that old axiom of western strategists). Lord Hastings (Lionel Ismay), NATO’s first Secretary General, famously said that NATO was created to “keep the Soviet Union out, the Americans in, and the Germans down”.

This mindset lingers on, but the formula has acquired today a greater import, and a new twist: To keep Germany ‘down and price uncompetitive’ versus U.S. goods; to keep Russia ‘out’ from being Europe’s source of cheap energy; and to keep China ‘fenced out’ from EU–U.S. trade. The aim is to contain Europe firmly within America’s narrowly defined economic orbit and compelled to forgo the benefits of Chinese and Russian technology, finance and trade – thus helping towards achieving the aim of barricading China within its borders.

[hater]

https://twitter.com/imetatronink/status/1493625121914847235?s=19

[SnakeBoy]

Tulsi :tu

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1493522316952629248?s=19

Anti-war social democrat who wouldn't back Hillary

:cry we hates her :cry

[Thread]

Anti-war social democrat who wouldn't back Hillary

:cry we hates her :cry

Nobody will touch this, Snake. Sure, FOX gives it some light, but it's half-hearted.

It's a criminal shame, but it's just the way things are.

[ChumpDumper]

Anti-war social democrat who wouldn't back Hillary

:cry we hates her :cryJust another religious weirdo on Fox News.

What's her job now?

[hater]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

Russian invasion of Ukraine via Belarusian territory is an impossibility due to several geographical factors, the Ukrainian defense minister claimed on Monday, contradicting a scenario proposed by the US last month.

Speaking to ICTV, Aleksey Reznikov stated that the American theory, first floated by State Department spokesman Ned Price, would be too complex for the Russian military to pull off. Price suggested that troops could enter Kiev in just a couple of days by coming across the border with Belarus rather than invading directly from Russia.

“I honestly and frankly say, I do not believe in this scenario,” Reznikov stressed. “Don’t forget that we have a thousand kilometers [of border] with Belarus, of which about 750 kilometers is marshes, brushwood, very difficult terrain. Not every place is easy to cross.”

“Our defense system is built in such a way that no one can reach Kiev,” he continued.


:lmao

Ned Price :lmao :lol :lol

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

Russian invasion of Ukraine via Belarusian territory is an impossibility due to several geographical factors, the Ukrainian defense minister claimed on Monday, contradicting a scenario proposed by the US last month.

Speaking to ICTV, Aleksey Reznikov stated that the American theory, first floated by State Department spokesman Ned Price, would be too complex for the Russian military to pull off. Price suggested that troops could enter Kiev in just a couple of days by coming across the border with Belarus rather than invading directly from Russia.

“I honestly and frankly say, I do not believe in this scenario,” Reznikov stressed. “Don’t forget that we have a thousand kilometers [of border] with Belarus, of which about 750 kilometers is marshes, brushwood, very difficult terrain. Not every place is easy to cross.”

“Our defense system is built in such a way that no one can reach Kiev,” he continued.


:lmao

Ned Price :lmao :lol :lolThere are no roads from Belarus to Kiev?

[hater]

There are no roads from Belarus to Kiev?

Yeah good idea. The Russians will take the toll road to kyev :lmao :lmao :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Yeah good idea. The Russians will take the toll road to kyev :lmao :lmao :lmaoWhy not take a road?

[hater]

Why not take a road?

Because thats not how you military invade a country ya dumb piece of shit :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Because thats not how you military invade a country ya dumb piece of shit :lmao

No army has ever used roads during an invasion ever in all of history?

[ChumpDumper]

Because thats not how you military invade a country ya dumb piece of shit :lmao

http://totallyhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Bundesarchiv_Bild.jpg

Nein, Hitler. You can't invade Belgium using roads. Field Marshall hater said it's never been done.

[hater]

"The UK’s “Dirty dossier” on Iraqi WMD consisted more or less entirely, where it used intelligence sources, of declassified human intelligence rather than signals intelligence. “Human intelligence” simply means something an informant told us, usually for large sums of cash...Signals intelligence, by contrast, is communications intercept, and is generally more accurate (though of course there can be planted misleading communications). I can tell you that the NSA have shared with GCHQ no communications intelligence that indicates an imminent Russian attack."
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk

:tu

Called it

[hater]

:lmao

Some U.S. media outlets have been spreading “blatant fake news” about the threat of a further Russian invasion of Ukraine, Chairman of Ukraine’s Servant of the People parliamentary faction David Arakhamia said

“I think when the phase disappears in two or three weeks, we should do a retrospective analysis of how large, very well-known media outlets began to spread information worse than (Russian propagandists) (Olga) Skabeeva and (Vladimir) Solovyov,” Arakhamia said.

“Blatant fake news in CNN, Bloomberg, WSJ… We must study this, since these are elements of a hybrid war.”

https://english.nv.ua/nation/ukraine-s-leading-party-chief-blames-foreign-media-for-spreading-fake-news-about-russian-invasion-50216804.html

[Thread]

No army has ever used roads during an invasion ever in all of history?

I don't give a flyin' fuck how he does it,,,just do it!

I can't take another disappointment. I need this. & I need it bad.

[Ef-man]

I don't give a flyin' fuck how he does it,,,just do it!

I can't take another disappointment. I need this. & I need it bad.

What you need is to take your meds.

Sure it will not seem fun to you but it is best for you, "be best."

[hater]

:lmao

https://twitter.com/VeBo1991/status/1493687809248481284?s=19

[hater]

:lol

https://twitter.com/paganusanarchys/status/1493689087974330372?s=19

[Thread]

What you need is to take your meds.

Sure it will not seem fun to you but it is best for you, "be best."

You're trying too hard again, fart face.

[Ef-man]

You're trying too hard again, fart face.

You need your meds Alan.

[hater]

:lmao :lol :lmao

https://twitter.com/watcher_plus/status/1493701113010393102?s=19

[boutons_deux]

Will Russia repeat the destruction of Georgia in Ukraine?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War

[RandomGuy]

Because thats not how you military invade a country ya dumb piece of shit :lmao

No. Militaries use roads in invasions.

Always have. From modern times to ancient times.

Fuck you are dumb.

[RandomGuy]

Will Russia repeat the destruction of Georgia in Ukraine?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War

Well, add this to the mix:

Russia's parliament asks Putin to recognise breakaway east Ukrainian regions
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-parliament-asks-putin-recognise-breakaway-east-ukrainian-regions-2022-02-15/

A more limited invasion, occupying these two regions is a possibility.

The more limited and cautious use of military power is in line with his previous use of force. Invade the two breakaway regions, then stop.

It punishes Ukraine, but not so much as a full outright invasion. The massive troops on the border that will not be involved in that incursion underscore the Russian capability to fuck with Ukraine should it decide to interfere in that occupation.

I have been puzzling over their likely course of action, but limited to "nothing" or "full invasion". this is somewhere in between.

[Trill Clinton]

stock markets have bounced back nicely with the news that putin was once again bluffing.

[Thread]

Well, add this to the mix:

Russia's parliament asks Putin to recognise breakaway east Ukrainian regions
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-parliament-asks-putin-recognise-breakaway-east-ukrainian-regions-2022-02-15/

A more limited invasion, occupying these two regions is a possibility.

The more limited and cautious use of military power is in line with his previous use of force. Invade the two breakaway regions, then stop.

It punishes Ukraine, but not so much as a full outright invasion. The massive troops on the border that will not be involved in that incursion underscore the Russian capability to fuck with Ukraine should it decide to interfere in that occupation.

I have been puzzling over their likely course of action, but limited to "nothing" or "full invasion". this is somewhere in between.

I'd settle for that scenario, RG. It'd leave Biden with the aforementioned egg on his face and CNN not livid, but, unsettled.

I could sleep nights that-a-way.

[hater]

:lmao :lmao

Reuters having an Invasion watch party by livestreaming from downtown Kyiv :lol

One of the apartment dwellers next to their camera started playing USSR national anthem :lmao :lmao

https://twitter.com/MundoEConflicto/status/1493718668676632577?s=19


:lol

[hater]

:lmao

https://twitter.com/EndoceneHunter/status/1493727656101048321?s=19

[SnakeBoy]

:lmao :lmao

Reuters having an Invasion watch party by livestreaming from downtown Kyiv :lol

One of the apartment dwellers next to their camera started playing USSR national anthem :lmao :lmao

https://twitter.com/MundoEConflicto/status/1493718668676632577?s=19


:lol

https://media.tenor.co/images/830800d4e0fc56b7fd6ccf465c9575fc/raw

[pgardn]

Putin probing and exacerbating because his country is in a shit economic situation.
He could have and still can take Ukraine if he wants. This is not doubted by anyone on any side of this conflict.
But he has not. So far. The kickback is much bigger than Crimea which really did not work so well anyway.

Lying Putin said he had no intention of invading the Crimea. He had no troops in Crimea. Now Crimea is considered a part of Russia.
But the consequences of that conflict were not worth the cost.

Putin has done a great job of making NATO relevant again.
Trump wanted the NATO role diminished. Vlad did not do him a favor here.

[Thread]

Putin probing and exacerbating because his country is in a shit economic situation.
He could have and still can take Ukraine if he wants. This is not doubted by anyone on any side of this conflict.
But he has not. So far. The kickback is much bigger than Crimea which really did not work so well anyway.

Lying Putin said he had no intention of invading the Crimea. He had no troops in Crimea. Now Crimea is considered a part of Russia.
But the consequences of that conflict were not worth the cost.

Putin has done a great job of making NATO relevant again.
Trump wanted the NATO role diminished. Vlad did not do him a favor here.

That was when Hussein was President, and was too damn busy hustlin' race 24/7 instead of tending Putin---Putin nailed his scalp upon his teepee lodge pole.

Yada hey!!!

[ElNono]

The real BOSS move will be if he listens to the lefties and stops US energy exports.

Pulling us off the global energy market would be the ultimate Murica 1st move. Would make him the greatest POTUS ever tbh.

That'd be a first too...

[ChumpDumper]

No. Militaries use roads in invasions.

Always have. From modern times to ancient times.

Fuck you are dumb.

:lmao hater

[hater]

:lmao

https://twitter.com/Filippo60/status/1493786737239199747?s=19

[hater]

:lol

Its 5am in ukraine

Putins army is qlready 2 hours late :lmao :lol

https://twitter.com/VNZNY/status/1493774237458309127?s=19

[ElNono]

lol Newsmax...

So Putin did fold... damn, Brandon is a BAD MAN...

[hater]

:lol

https://twitter.com/YasenevoTroll/status/1493784350675988485?s=19

[hater]

:lmao

https://twitter.com/tomdog/status/1493792897115828229?s=19

[ChumpDumper]

:lol rando tweetbot

[Ef-man]

That was when Hussein was President, and was too damn busy hustlin' race 24/7 instead of tending Putin---Putin nailed his scalp upon his teepee lodge pole.

Yada hey!!!

"Yada hey" is something Elaine Benes (from Seinfeld) would say after she was interrupted right at the start of her explaining something.


https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7abF5PYFVB9f7WIo/giphy.gif

[Thread]

"Yada hey" is something Elaine Benes (from Seinfeld) would say after she was interrupted right at the start of her explaining something.


https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7abF5PYFVB9f7WIo/giphy.gif

I'm a trend setter.
I set trends.

I am also a venerated member of the Cherokee nation and have counted coup upon many Internet sites. My teepee lodge pole has many pelts and scalps nailed upon it.

[Though I wear a shirt and tie, I'm still part red man deep in-a-side.]

[Thread]

:lol

Its 5am in ukraine

Putins army is qlready 2 hours late :lmao :lol

https://twitter.com/VNZNY/status/1493774237458309127?s=19

Fuck me in the ass and call me Charley.

GD it!!!

[Ef-man]

I'm a trend setter.
I set trends.

I am also a venerated member of the Cherokee nation and have counted coup upon many Internet sites. My teepee lodge pole has many pelts and scalps nailed upon it.

[Though I wear a shirt and tie, I'm still part red man deep in-a-side.]

Ok, Pocahontas.

[Thread]

Ok, Pocahontas.

Loincloth rising.

[Ef-man]

Loincloth rising.

Being in a cuck has always been a great dishonor to all tribes people.

Think about that "He in Cuck TeePee.".

[Thread]

& I gotta feeling that trip to the moon twixt us is back on again.

[hater]

:lmao

https://twitter.com/5thSu/status/1493890405305569282?s=19

[hater]

Happy Russian Invasion day nigs!!!

:lol

[Thread]

Happy Russian Invasion day nigs!!!

:lol

- "Hope, hope."

- "Dick Ritchie" - "True Romance"

[Thread]

Do not fuck with Sleepy Joe. He will fuck your mom. :lmao

...& kill 100,000 Americans with the COVID since 2022 started up.

[hater]

:lmao :lol :lmao

The trolling continues :lmao

https://twitter.com/MuradGazdiev/status/1493862768818151425?s=19

[Thread]

:lmao :lol :lmao

The trolling continues :lmao

https://twitter.com/MuradGazdiev/status/1493862768818151425?s=19

Putin needs to shit, or, get off the pot, hater. He has......"At least 150,000 troops amassed around Ukraine!" according to CNN.

Get on with it!!!

[hater]

https://twitter.com/whitenights_ro/status/1493901412207628289?s=19

https://twitter.com/KoskovicsZ/status/1493864139646775296?s=19

https://twitter.com/Rahul_ydv19/status/1493909399873613824?s=19

https://twitter.com/CHI2COL/status/1493867229116604416?s=19

https://twitter.com/whitenights_ro/status/1493901412207628289?s=19

https://twitter.com/Jewels_MsJay/status/1493928368135413763?s=19

https://twitter.com/ashutomarbhan/status/1493913898323300353?s=19

https://twitter.com/RakenduSharma/status/1493909681957265414?s=19

https://twitter.com/k_Tarun98/status/1493924876750835712?s=19

[ChumpDumper]

:lol all hater does is post tweets

[hater]

:lmao

Joe :lol

https://twitter.com/littlehawk463/status/1493970441253257216?s=19

[ElNono]

Brandon looked at Putin in the eyes, and told him: "Listen jack, you're not dealing with a clown no more".

Damn, can we give Brandon the Nobel Peace Prize already?

[hater]

Officially upgrading my Defcon level to Defcon 2 :(

Didnt know situation was so dire at Donbass front :wow

Ukraine has 150,000 troops ready to go and only 10km from urban areas of Donbas. They could easily bum rush it. If this happens Russia will have no choice but go to war.

We are officially at Defcon 2 :cry

qu48GbtH5u8

[Winehole23]

hater, back to his usual schtick of fanning war hysteria, predicts Ukraine will attack Russia

"world peace"

[pgardn]

hater, back to his usual schtick of fanning war hysteria, predicts Ukraine will attack Russia

"world peace"

He has his sauces on YouTube.

[hater]

hater, back to his usual schtick of fanning war hysteria, predicts Ukraine will attack Russia

"world peace"

Its a big possibility.

Only thing that could start a war is those degenerates neo nazis waiting 10km outside Donbas and Donetsk.

Hopefully Zelensky is strong enough to say Nyet to warmongers of the US and avoid this.

Zelensky is a comedian and is way over his head. US bought 1/2 of Ukranian military and politicians. But hopefully they realize its a suicide mission.

Prayingdog.gif

Lets all pray for world peace

Cheers :tu

[Trill Clinton]

Brandon looked at Putin in the eyes, and told him: "Listen jack, you're not dealing with a clown no more".

Damn, can we give Brandon the Nobel Peace Prize already?

:tu

[DMC]

Not a fan of ex-politicians getting face time regarding current events. I think it's bad idea.

[DMC]

Officially upgrading my Defcon level to Defcon 2 :(

Didnt know situation was so dire at Donbass front :wow

Ukraine has 150,000 troops ready to go and only 10km from urban areas of Donbas. They could easily bum rush it. If this happens Russia will have no choice but go to war.

We are officially at Defcon 2 :cry

qu48GbtH5u8
Muh nig about to call in broken arrow

[SnakeBoy]

That'd be a first too...

Hey now

Stand by your man

[Ef-man]

Brandon looked at Putin in the eyes, and told him: "Listen jack, you're not dealing with a clown no more".

Damn, can we give Brandon the Nobel Peace Prize already?

https://npcdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/biden-nobel-prize-1024x617.jpg

[ElNono]

Hey now

Stand by your man

You can't make me :lol

[hater]

Play stupid games


Checks at UK airport over fears far-right extremists may travel to Ukraine

British authorities have concerns about neo-Nazis seeking weapons training and military experience

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/16/checks-at-uk-airport-over-fears-far-right-extremists-may-travel-to-ukraine

[hater]

Dear Dr Ron Paul

MUST READ:



But this whole thing is a farce. As I see it, here is the Ukraine crisis in a nutshell:

Biden to Putin: “Don’t invade Ukraine.”

Putin to Biden: “We have no intention of invading Ukraine.”

Biden to the US media: “Putin is about to invade Ukraine!”

Then Biden’s top officials proceed to embarrass themselves by warning that the invasion was imminent. Or it’s coming next Tuesday, or Wednesday, or surely before the end of the Olympics. Does anyone think they have any credibility left with their constant hysterical warnings?

Meanwhile “US intelligence” continues to leak incendiary information – likely self-serving – to a US media that has lost any interest in skepticism toward any “scoop” handed down by US government officials.

What the US media will not report is that this entire crisis – and the threat of a serious war – has all been brought about by US interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine, specifically the US-backed coup that overthrew an elected government in 2014. Every bit of unrest in Ukraine proceeded from that single foolish and immoral act by the Obama Administration.





Ukraine is a great example of why non-interventionism is the only pro-America foreign policy. We are risking nuclear war with Russia over what? Ukraine’s borders? Surely most Americans see how idiotic this is.

The Biden Administration is at present shell-shocked that the Russian government did not back down over plans to expand NATO to Ukraine. Russia understandably views NATO membership for Ukraine -with its Article 5 guarantees – to be an unacceptable threat considering the ongoing border disputes.

This is not our fight, yet Biden’s foreign policy team has decided it’s a great time to kick the hornet’s nest.

Is it all about Biden’s dismal approval ratings? What a sick thing to risk a major war over. We need to stand up and say “enough.” Before it’s too late.

[SnakeBoy]

Play stupid games


Checks at UK airport over fears far-right extremists may travel to Ukraine

British authorities have concerns about neo-Nazis seeking weapons training and military experience

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/16/checks-at-uk-airport-over-fears-far-right-extremists-may-travel-to-ukraine

Article is confusing. Ukraine is Russians and Nazis. UK sides with the Nazi's and then worries about the Nazis going to fight for the Nazis they support?

[ChumpDumper]

Dear Dr Ron Paul

MUST READ:



But this whole thing is a farce. As I see it, here is the Ukraine crisis in a nutshell:

Biden to Putin: “Don’t invade Ukraine.”

Putin to Biden: “We have no intention of invading Ukraine.”

Biden to the US media: “Putin is about to invade Ukraine!”

Then Biden’s top officials proceed to embarrass themselves by warning that the invasion was imminent. Or it’s coming next Tuesday, or Wednesday, or surely before the end of the Olympics. Does anyone think they have any credibility left with their constant hysterical warnings?

Meanwhile “US intelligence” continues to leak incendiary information – likely self-serving – to a US media that has lost any interest in skepticism toward any “scoop” handed down by US government officials.

What the US media will not report is that this entire crisis – and the threat of a serious war – has all been brought about by US interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine, specifically the US-backed coup that overthrew an elected government in 2014. Every bit of unrest in Ukraine proceeded from that single foolish and immoral act by the Obama Administration.





Ukraine is a great example of why non-interventionism is the only pro-America foreign policy. We are risking nuclear war with Russia over what? Ukraine’s borders? Surely most Americans see how idiotic this is.

The Biden Administration is at present shell-shocked that the Russian government did not back down over plans to expand NATO to Ukraine. Russia understandably views NATO membership for Ukraine -with its Article 5 guarantees – to be an unacceptable threat considering the ongoing border disputes.

This is not our fight, yet Biden’s foreign policy team has decided it’s a great time to kick the hornet’s nest.

Is it all about Biden’s dismal approval ratings? What a sick thing to risk a major war over. We need to stand up and say “enough.” Before it’s too late.

:lol acknowledges Russia wants more Ukrainian land.

[pgardn]

Play stupid games


Checks at UK airport over fears far-right extremists may travel to Ukraine

British authorities have concerns about neo-Nazis seeking weapons training and military experience

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/16/checks-at-uk-airport-over-fears-far-right-extremists-may-travel-to-ukraine

They already have from Russia as well.
You just dont get the fact that these factions are many times basically really hard people. On BOTH sides.
Also Zelensky is one of the most straightforward leaders Ukraine has had. You were sad when the Russian puppet who stole money from the people was removed. And then the chocolate Oligarch came in and got his ass voted out. Now you have one of the most neutral guys trying not to get his people killed and you complain.

gtfoh...

[pgardn]

:lol acknowledges Russia wants more Ukrainian land.

And it was Russia's for the taking.
But then the pushback after the realization of what Russia would accomplish sunk in and ... "lets think this through a little further. This will hurt immediately and long term, do we really want this now? Is there a better time just to lay off NATO and let them haggle with themselves until it becomes much easier?"

I think the answer is yes. NATO clearly has problems of its own. There are very different interests that involve economics controlled by possible military moves. big example is the Nord 2 pipeline which benefits Russian and Germany. Once it finally gets turned on, it will be much tougher to turn off for both countries economically imo. I suspect an invasion is not a go this time around, it will be easier later to make a move when France, the UK, the US and Germany all get caught up in some more trade issues.

Maybe we will see a more minor move by Russia just for gathering info on how the West reacts. Who knows...

[pgardn]

Dear Dr Ron Paul

MUST READ:

BLANK



.

Now its more readable.

[DMC]

Play stupid games


Checks at UK airport over fears far-right extremists may travel to Ukraine

British authorities have concerns about neo-Nazis seeking weapons training and military experience

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/16/checks-at-uk-airport-over-fears-far-right-extremists-may-travel-to-ukraine

Back in the day we'd have called those the Red Raiders.

[SnakeBoy]

Russia has added as many as 7,000 troops near the Ukraine border in recent days, contrary to claims by President Vladimir Putin that troops would be pulled back from the region, a senior Biden administration official said Wednesday.

[hater]

Russia has added as many as 7,000 troops near the Ukraine border in recent days, contrary to claims by President Vladimir Putin that troops would be pulled back from the region, a senior Biden administration official said Wednesday.

Cant blame him

Ukraine has 150k troops 10km away from 700 thousand Russian civilians. They also moved medium and long range air defenses there just now

Lets hope peace prevails.

[ChumpDumper]

Are you paid to post pro Russian propaganda, hater?

[hater]

Are you paid to post pro Russian propaganda, hater?

Theyre facts homie.

There are 150k Ukranian.soldiers at the contact zone.

The contact zone is 10km away from civilian urban areas.

Lets pray for peace :tu

[ChumpDumper]

Theyre facts homie.

There are 150k Ukranian.soldiers at the contact zone.

The contact zone is 10km away from civilian urban areas.

Lets pray for peace :tuSo you think Ukraine is going to attack Russia.

:lmao

[hater]

So you think Ukraine is going to attack Russia.

:lmao

Not Russia. The separatist regions which have millions of ethnic Russians and 700k Russian citizens. The Russian army is on their side 100km away from this contact line which is 450km long.

[ChumpDumper]

Not Russia. The separatist regions which have millions of ethnic Russians and 700k Russian citizens. The Russian army is on their side 100km away from this contact line which is 450km long.Why are they so close in the first place?

[ElNono]

Dear Dr Ron Paul

MUST READ:



But this whole thing is a farce. As I see it, here is the Ukraine crisis in a nutshell:

Biden to Putin: “Don’t invade Ukraine.”

Putin to Biden: “We have no intention of invading Ukraine.”

Biden to the US media: “Putin is about to invade Ukraine!”

Then Biden’s top officials proceed to embarrass themselves by warning that the invasion was imminent. Or it’s coming next Tuesday, or Wednesday, or surely before the end of the Olympics. Does anyone think they have any credibility left with their constant hysterical warnings?

Meanwhile “US intelligence” continues to leak incendiary information – likely self-serving – to a US media that has lost any interest in skepticism toward any “scoop” handed down by US government officials.

What the US media will not report is that this entire crisis – and the threat of a serious war – has all been brought about by US interference in the internal affairs of Ukraine, specifically the US-backed coup that overthrew an elected government in 2014. Every bit of unrest in Ukraine proceeded from that single foolish and immoral act by the Obama Administration.

Ukraine is a great example of why non-interventionism is the only pro-America foreign policy. We are risking nuclear war with Russia over what? Ukraine’s borders? Surely most Americans see how idiotic this is.

The Biden Administration is at present shell-shocked that the Russian government did not back down over plans to expand NATO to Ukraine. Russia understandably views NATO membership for Ukraine -with its Article 5 guarantees – to be an unacceptable threat considering the ongoing border disputes.

This is not our fight, yet Biden’s foreign policy team has decided it’s a great time to kick the hornet’s nest.

Is it all about Biden’s dismal approval ratings? What a sick thing to risk a major war over. We need to stand up and say “enough.” Before it’s too late.


It was Russia that demanded NATO fall back to pre-Cold War territories... that's conspicuously absent from that cherry pick...

[ElNono]

I mean, Russia just has to accept the diplomatic deal, and that would be the end of this drama...

[hater]

Why are they so close in the first place?

Minsk agreement

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_Protocol

[ElNono]

Also, unrelated, is there a bigger loser than R:loln Paul?

[ElNono]

Minsk agreement

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_Protocol

It says right there in that link that the Minsk agreement failed.

[ChumpDumper]

Minsk agreement

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_Protocol

Could you quote the passage calling for all those troops to be right there?

[SnakeBoy]

Also, unrelated, is there a bigger loser than R:loln Paul?

Maybe Bernie

[hater]

It says right there in that link that the Minsk agreement failed.

No shit Sherlock. Where u been last few months :lol

[ChumpDumper]

No shit Sherlock. Where u been last few months :lol

So there is no agreement currently in effect?

[Blake]

Oh look hater get shit on in yet another thread

[RandomGuy]

Also, unrelated, is there a bigger loser than R:loln Paul?

Trump?

Don Jr?

Eric?

[hater]

Trump?

Don Jr?

Eric?

Hillary

Biggest presidential upset in history of humankind :lol

[SnakeBoy]

Hillary

Biggest presidential upset in history of humankind :lol

Pretty hard to argue with that :lol

[ElNono]

Maybe Bernie

You got me there, tbh

[ElNono]

No shit Sherlock. Where u been last few months :lol

:lol so why bring it up if it's worthless?

[ElNono]

Russia announces withdrawal of troops from Ukraine borders

On Wednesday afternoon, Russia announced the end of Crimea military drills, and troops were leaving. “Russia says military drills in Moscow-annexed Crimea have ended and soldiers are returning to their garrisons, a day after it announced a first troop pullback from Ukraine’s borders. State television shows images of military units crossing a bridge back to the mainland,” AFP, the French news agency, reported.

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/russia-troops-withdrawal-ukraine-border-explained-7776444/

https://media2.giphy.com/media/3o85xGt3BKRhLLGG7C/giphy.gif?cid=790b76119d7dc9b3d8f1bf3a6400fbd87e4c 9149496a0a6a&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[hater]

:lol so why bring it up if it's worthless?

Because ElChimpo asked me who drew those demarcation lines :lol

[hater]

Russia announces withdrawal of troops from Ukraine borders

On Wednesday afternoon, Russia announced the end of Crimea military drills, and troops were leaving. “Russia says military drills in Moscow-annexed Crimea have ended and soldiers are returning to their garrisons, a day after it announced a first troop pullback from Ukraine’s borders. State television shows images of military units crossing a bridge back to the mainland,” AFP, the French news agency, reported.

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/russia-troops-withdrawal-ukraine-border-explained-7776444/

https://media2.giphy.com/media/3o85xGt3BKRhLLGG7C/giphy.gif?cid=790b76119d7dc9b3d8f1bf3a6400fbd87e4c 9149496a0a6a&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

:tu

World peace :tu

Prayingdog.gif

[SnakeBoy]

Hillary

Biggest presidential upset in history of humankind :lol

It's weird, I thought I'd post a pic of her crying and the internets led me to a gallery of liberal tears and Ukranian titties
https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/hillary-crying

[ElNono]

Because ElChimpo asked me who drew those demarcation lines :lol

I thought he asked you why Russia is so close to those lines... (despite those lines mean effectively nothing)

[hater]

It's weird, I thought I'd post a pic of her crying and the internets led me to a gallery of liberal tears and Ukranian titties
https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/hillary-crying

Nice

[hater]

I thought he asked you why Russia is so close to those lines... (despite those lines mean effectively nothing)

Why is Russia so close? :lmao because it borders Ukraine, Einstein :lmao

I believe Chimp asked me why the separatist Russian civilians are so close to the line and answer is the Minsk agreement

[pgardn]

Cant blame him

Ukraine has 150k troops 10km away from 700 thousand Russian civilians. They also moved medium and long range air defenses there just now

Lets hope peace prevails.

Hater getting the false flag ready for planting in the snow.

[pgardn]

Why is Russia so close? :lmao because it borders Ukraine, Einstein :lmao

I believe Chimp asked me why the separatist Russian civilians are so close to the line and answer is the Minsk agreement

Why was the Minsk agreement made, and why was the first one thrown out with a second version?
What agreement was made for Crimea?

You have no idea what was going on in 2014 when Russia started all this trouble.
"I want my Soviet Union back :depressed:depressed"

[ElNono]

Why is Russia so close? :lmao because it borders Ukraine, Einstein :lmao

I believe Chimp asked me why the separatist Russian civilians are so close to the line and answer is the Minsk agreement

:lol We border Canada, we don't have 100,000 troops at the border...

[hater]

:lol We border Canada, we don't have 100,000 troops at the border...

Why cant we have 100k troops in New York. A law against that?

[ElNono]

Why cant we have 100k troops in New York. A law against that?

Sure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

You can add that other law, the US Constitution, that requires Congress to declare war (in order to lawfully deploy troops in the US).

[hater]

Sure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

You can add that other law, the US Constitution, that requires Congress to declare war (in order to lawfully deploy troops in the US).

Russia doesnt have that law

[ElNono]

Russia doesnt have that law

We're also not looking to invade Canada...

[hater]

We're also not looking to invade Canada...

We have 50k troops in Germany. Why?

[pgardn]

:lol We border Canada, we don't have 100,000 troops at the border...

This is an interesting factoid I found out while visiting Eastern Canadian Provinces (and I will add kayaking and camping in the Bay of Fundy area):

After the Civil War was over, and Union Soldiers were loitering about in Northeastern US the Canadians, still fearful of their British and French Heritage, were very worried the US would try to take land in Canada. We did not. But the Canadians were seriously getting ready and talking about it. There were a shitload of soldiers without jobs so you gotta find something for them to do... I had no idea.

[pgardn]

We have 50k troops in Germany. Why?

Hold over from WWII when Stalin went nuts.
Have they moved into Poland to take Poland for Germany?

It has become something of a hub but it probably is not needed unless... ex Soviet mini you's start making trouble... We really dont need to be worried, but apparently we do.

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We have 50k troops in Germany. Why?

Because Hitler was last there 77 years ago.

[hater]

Hold over from WWII when Stalin went nuts.
Have they moved into Poland to take Poland for Germany?

It has become something of a hub but it probably is not needed unless... ex Soviet mini you's start making trouble... We really dont need to be worried, but apparently we do.

So 50k troops in Germany is ok. 100k troops in your country is not.

Got it

[pgardn]

So 50k troops in Germany is ok. 100k troops in your country is not.

Got it

It looks perfectly OK right now.
Yes.
There is a midget in Russia who want his Soviet Union back.
We favor democracy in Europe. We rely economically on democracies in Europe.

So it looks like good forethought right now.
Absolutely.
Otherwise, I cant see us spending money on defending anything over there.
But now, it looks wise. Midget makes us spend money on defense and vice versa. It should not be this way... but Crimea, Georgia, sending subs into Finland to screw with them... on and on.

[hater]

It looks perfectly OK right now.
Yes.
There is a midget in Russia who want his Soviet Union back.
We favor democracy in Europe. We rely economically on democracies in Europe.

So it looks like good forethought right now.
Absolutely.
Otherwise, I cant see us spending money on defending anything over there.
But now, it looks wise. Midget makes us spend money on defense and vice versa. It should not be this way... but Crimea, Georgia, sending subs into Finland to screw with them... on and on.

So we can have tens of thousands of troops anywhere in the world because were the good guys.

They cant have tens of thousands of troops anywhere including their own country because they are the bad guys.

Got it.

[pgardn]

So we can have tens of thousands of troops anywhere in the world because were the good guys.

They cant have tens of thousands of troops anywhere including their own country because they are the bad guys.

Got it.

Sure China will invite us right in.

Have you read about WWII?
It has holdover ill feelings and distrust that last.
Stalin just went romping through Europe. Did you forget about this? Read some history.

Personally I would like those troops out and no fear of things like Crimea, Georgia, Ukraine, subs in Sweden, Finland etc... with zero communication about these moves. But a midget wont let it be. The president for life holds some goals before his life ends. I guess we have to deal with that. There were talks about removal but they fell flat. Looks good now.

[hater]

Sure China will invite us right in.

Have you read about WWII?
It has holdover ill feelings and distrust that last.
Stalin just went romping through Europe. Did you forget about this? Read some history.

Personally I would like those troops out and no fear of things like Crimea, Georgia, Ukraine, subs in Sweden, Finland etc... with zero communication about these moves. But a midget wont let it be. The president for life holds some goals before his life ends. I guess we have to deal with that. There were talks about removal but they fell flat. Looks good now.

We never went romping anywhere huh?

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So we can have tens of thousands of troops anywhere in the world because were the good guys.

They cant have tens of thousands of troops anywhere including their own country because they are the bad guys.

Got it.

hater

[SnakeBoy]

Stalin just went romping through Europe. Did you forget about this? Read some history.


Oh yeah that time Stalin just romped through Europe for no reason

[pgardn]

We never went romping anywhere huh?

Of course we have.
But nowhere on the scale of Stalin, not even a tiny bit close.

[pgardn]

Oh yeah that time Stalin just romped through Europe for no reason

What?

Made a deal with Germany. Got his ass handed to him.
Came back in and ate up what Germany had engulfed.
Are you some sort of idiot as well?

The Soviet Union lost tremendous a tremendous number of lives not only defending their country from a tyrant they made a deal with.

They also lost a lot of people retaking what Germany had consumed. Stalin was every bit as bad as Hitler in desire to create an Empire.
So you think the Soviet Union needed to take all of what Germany had conquered in the East and even more.
Because thats exactly what would have happened if the US was NOT in the west.

Snake as good at history as hater. And you are an old fart... what happened?

[pgardn]

hater

And for a guy who writes well, you certainly dont read much...

[SnakeBoy]

What?

Made a deal with Germany. Got his ass handed to him.
Came back in and ate up what Germany had engulfed.
Are you some sort of idiot as well?

The Soviet Union lost tremendous a tremendous number of lives not only defending their country from a tyrant they made a deal with.

They also lost a lot of people retaking what Germany had consumed. Stalin was every bit as bad as Hitler in desire to create an Empire.
So you think the Soviet Union needed to take all of what Germany had conquered in the East and even more.
Because thats exactly what would have happened if the US was NOT in the west.

Snake as good at history as hater. And you are an old fart... what happened?

So there was a reason, thanks.

Cold War is over buddy. Has been for a long time. We don't need to keep fighting it. Eurofags should be able to solve their own problems by now.

This is why libs are always full of shit. Slash military spending and provide healthcare blah blah blah :cry. Slightest thing happens in a part of the world that we have no interests in and it's omg I'm scared we must fight :cry

[SnakeBoy]

If Putin does invade the most important thing is that Sleepy Joe is strong enough to take it like a bitch. I think he is but you never know with him.

[hater]

Oh yeah that time Stalin just romped through Europe for no reason

:lol

[pgardn]

So there was a reason, thanks.

Cold War is over buddy. Has been for a long time. We don't need to keep fighting it. Eurofags should be able to solve their own problems by now.

This is why libs are always full of shit. Slash military spending and provide healthcare blah blah blah :cry. Slightest thing happens in a part of the world that we have no interests in and it's omg I'm scared we must fight :cry

No thats what you have got wrong.
Its not over. And we wont fight it. World Wide Economic reality makes large scale war very hard on all parties.
Those Eurofags make a lot of products we like and we make a lot of things they like. So you can stop trying to turtle up and get scared of world wide economies being tied together. Maybe you are old enough so you will die soon and dont have to face this crushing horrific reality.

That being said Putin can easily take Ukraine. But then when he has to deal with the realities of the ruble and his people... its not gonna be pretty. Its good for absolutely no one. But on the other hand we have seen countries do less stupid things to themselves (UK and Brexit) that wipe their wealth away.

Go hide underground Snake, there has to be a rock available nearby.

Putin has made sure NATO stays relevant.
Russia is an economic basket case because its scared of its own people. The most mineral wealth and farmland of any country just wasted.
You want this for US. No thanks.

[pgardn]

What?

Stalin Made a deal with Germany. Got his ass handed to him.
Came back in and ate up what Germany had engulfed.
Are you some sort of idiot as well?

The Soviet Union lost tremendous a tremendous number of lives not only defending their country from a tyrant they made a deal with.

They also lost a lot of people retaking what Germany had consumed. Stalin was every bit as bad as Hitler in desire to create an Empire.
So you think the Soviet Union needed to take all of what Germany had conquered in the East and even more.
Because thats exactly what would have happened if the US was NOT in the west.

Snake as good at history as hater. And you are an old fart... what happened?


:lol

Yeah it was really funny "World Peace" heater... funny, funny stuff.
Stalin was just a great guy.

[DMC]

So there was a reason, thanks.

Cold War is over buddy. Has been for a long time. We don't need to keep fighting it. Eurofags should be able to solve their own problems by now.

This is why libs are always full of shit. Slash military spending and provide healthcare blah blah blah :cry. Slightest thing happens in a part of the world that we have no interests in and it's omg I'm scared you must fight :cry

FIFY

These pussies wouldn't even enlist, much less fight :lol

[pgardn]

If Putin does invade the most important thing is that Sleepy Joe is strong enough to take it like a bitch. I think he is but you never know with him.

Joe will take it from what you and hater see as a bragging point.
He will not engage our military.

But in the long run, The country with the midget at the helm, the president for life, will be taking it up the ass. His people will be drinking aftershave again. This is where China is so much smarter. They are in for the slow play. The play that keeps them economically viable. So much more subtle. Crimea hurt bad. Now he is gonna test his friends in the oligarchy with not eating their fine meals in Europe.

[hater]

Joe will take it from what you and hater see as a bragging point.
He will not engage our military.

But in the long run, The country with the midget at the helm, the president for life, will be taking it up the ass. His people will be drinking aftershave again. This is where China is so much smarter. They are in for the slow play. The play that keeps them economically viable. So much more subtle. Crimea hurt bad. Now he is gonna test his friends in the oligarchy with not eating their fine meals in Europe.

Wrong the ones who will be eating shit will be the Europeans. Their economy will go down to shit and Russia will turn off the gas so they will be forced to buy overpriced shitty american LNG :lmao

Russia is a top grain producer and also have Asia/China to trade with. Their oligarchs can also enjoy Asian foods and beaches.

Sure Russians will suffer but will be nothing compared to what awaits the European retards :lol

[hater]

If Putin does invade the most important thing is that Sleepy Joe is strong enough to take it like a bitch. I think he is but you never know with him.

I am not worried. Sleepy Joe told us he is "engaging in dipidydipdiplomacy."

[ElNono]

We have 50k troops in Germany. Why?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtJJC0nWs9s

[ElNono]

So 50k troops in Germany is ok. 100k troops in your country is not.

Got it

We don't do troop deployment in our own country. That's the kind of stuff banana republic dictators do.

When we do joint training exercises, etc, we do it out in the sea or in other countries.

[hater]

We don't do troop deployment in our own country. That's the kind of stuff banana republic dictators do.

When we do joint training exercises, etc, we do it out in the sea or in other countries.

Yeah we been training in germany for 70 years :lmao

[ElNono]

So there was a reason, thanks.

Cold War is over buddy. Has been for a long time. We don't need to keep fighting it. Eurofags should be able to solve their own problems by now.

This is why libs are always full of shit. Slash military spending and provide healthcare blah blah blah :cry. Slightest thing happens in a part of the world that we have no interests in and it's omg I'm scared we must fight :cry


FIFY

These pussies wouldn't even enlist, much less fight :lol

This is why it's called a professional army. You pay the gun fellating cannon fodder to go play Rambo under the orders of Corporate America, while us smart folk bitch about the last episode of whatever is the cool Netflix series of the moment.

[ElNono]

Yeah we been training in germany for 70 years :lmao

In Europe in particular, we 'Murica lead NATO. We keep out commitment to our allies. I don't see Germany complaining either, tbh

[hater]

In Europe in particular, we 'Murica lead NATO. We keep out commitment to our allies. I don't see Germany complaining either, tbh

Yeah that time we exercised in Afghanistan for 20 years was bad ass :lmao

[pgardn]

Wrong the ones who will be eating shit will be the Europeans. Their economy will go down to shit and Russia will turn off the gas so they will be forced to buy overpriced shitty american LNG :lmao

Russia is a top grain producer and also have Asia/China to trade with. Their oligarchs can also enjoy Asian foods and beaches.

Sure Russians will suffer but will be nothing compared to what awaits the European retards :lol

Russia underproduces agriculturally and petroleum wise in a most horrific way.
The waste and inefficiency is absolutely tremendous.
And there is no way Western Europeans suffer as much as Russians nor will they.

You have not a fkn clue how big and poor Russia is. It has its glitzy spots for bored Europeans with spare change but in the real interior. Its crap, pure crap.
Its a horrible waste of potential because its run by a system that absolutely sucks.

Thats it, and thats all.

[hater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtJJC0nWs9s

tLuBtv1EtcI

[pgardn]

Yeah that time we exercised in Afghanistan for 20 years was bad ass :lmao

and...

The Russians had already supplied an example of that.
The number of Soviets killed there was abominable.

And the families never even know what happens to their boys.
You keep that Lavrov picture prominent to show you know how they treat their soldiers.

[pgardn]

Hater going to the whataboutism, which is fair, but getting spanked with it.

[pgardn]

This is why it's called a professional army. You pay the gun fellating cannon fodder to go play Rambo under the orders of Corporate America, while us smart folk bitch about the last episode of whatever is the cool Netflix series of the moment.

This is really sad imo.
There are a lot of kids, some of my friends included, who just dont fit in school and so they sign up for a "job".
Flying with some of the kids that come into San Antonio for training now... they just dont have a clue. Small town, uneducated, not many choices.
So its the military.
Fortunately for some of the more goal oriented kids the military pays for good medical training that can actually roll over into the private sector after they put in time.

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And for a guy who writes well, you certainly dont read much...

I God's, a compliment from the peeg.

Though, what did I get wrong? Trust me, I read it carefully and thought I was on track with my citation. How did I fuck up? Seriously.

[SnakeBoy]

Joe will take it from what you and hater see as a bragging point.
He will not engage our military.


That's all that matters.

Russia is on the verge of demographic collapse, so is Ukraine, so is much of western Europe. So don't cry yourself to sleep worrying about a WWII repeat. Nobody over there has the manpower to do it again.

Maybe Putin thinks he can take Ukraine but that's the most he can possibly pull off and he definitely knows that. Or maybe he just wants to keep Ukraine a buffer zone by ensuring it remains a dysfunctional shithole that will never qualify to be part of NATO, that part he has already accomplished.

[Thread]

If Putin does invade the most important thing is that Sleepy Joe is strong enough to take it like a bitch. I think he is but you never know with him.

...true, but he'd have to eschew his watch when the children come back thru Dover again.