2024 NBA Draft Thread

[CGD]

Current mock from The Athletic's Sam Vecenie:

1. Risacher (Blazers)
2. Sarr (Wizards)
3. Buzelis (Pistons)
4. Sheppard (Grizzlies)
5. Topic (Spurs)
6. Castle (Hornets)
7. Williams (Spurs via Raptors)
8. Holland (Rockets via Nets)
9. Dillingham (Jazz)
10. Salaun (Hawks)
11. Clingan (Thunder via Rockets)
12. Knecht (Bulls)
13. Collier (Pelicans via Lakers)
14. Walter (Blazers via Warriors)

This seems pretty realistic to me. After the combine, size and potential will climb up the boards. That Saluan kid, for example, will go Top 10 for no other reason (just like Bilal did last year), and Matas will become a Top 5 lock.

I should probably watch Shepard more. Y’all keep bustin nuts about him, and the national media seems to agree. I have a hard time seeing someone with his physical profile going Top 5 once the combine happens, but what do I know.

[JPB]

MJ is much more a case of someone thinking that if they are great at one thing, they’re great at anything they try. He never had a handle on it, and everyone knew he sucked. Most who follow basketball nationwide would value PATFOs opinion over yours 7 days a week, and twice on Sunday, and chastise your arrogance for thinking you know better.

I disagree with that.

A lot of fans have very educated opinions that prove better than NBA FOs' over time. I mean, who can say the wizzards, Pistons, or Knicks before recently have known "better" than most fans these last few years? At the end of the day, it's just BB not quantum mechanics, and there's no information or data (besides training, but traning is not games) FOs have, fans don't. There are factually bad GMs, being in an NBA FO doesn't necessarily make you smarter than educated fans.

Was reaching for Primo (penis put aside) really a smarter decision than many here would have taken? If PATFO was definitely smarter than the mass, they wouldn't have passed on Segun or Haliburton some fans were advocating for... Not eveything they do is gold, you can be trapped in your certitudes sometimes, specially if you believe you're smarter or a 75 y.o coach who seems to have lost grip on things recently... players are done at some point, coaches too and what used to work doesn't anymore.

If Pop and co. truly believe it's worth spending years developing these kids "who will be around Wemby for years", then sorry but he doesn't know better to me, he just has to go, which he would have already in any other team, with in mind that Pop had zero experience before that in rebuilding from scratch and it's as a 70+ coach that he had to take that road.

PS: And true or not, it's honestly scary to imagine Malaki would/could be the guy who improved the most this year.

[exstatic]

I disagree with that.

A lot of fans have very educated opinions that prove better than NBA FOs' over time. I mean, who can say the wizzards, Pistons, or Knicks before recently have known "better" than most fans these last few years? At the end of the day, it's just BB not quantum mechanics, and there's no information or data (besides training, but traning is not games) FOs have, fans don't. There are factually bad GMs, being in an NBA FO doesn't necessarily make you smarter than educated fans.

Was reaching for Primo (penis put aside) really a smarter decision than many here would have taken? If PATFO was definitely smarter than the mass, they wouldn't have passed on Segun or Haliburton some fans were advocating for... Not eveything they do is gold, you can be trapped in your certitudes sometimes, specially if you believe you're smarter or a 75 y.o coach who seems to have lost grip on things recently... players are done at some point, coaches too and what used to work doesn't anymore.

If Pop and co. truly believe it's worth spending years developing these kids "who will be around Wemby for years", then sorry but he doesn't know better to me, he just has to go, which he would have in any other team.

The problem that causes most fans to come up short is that they only see what the player currently is, and that’s not what the draft is. It hasn’t been that way since probably the 1990s. Organizations also have data farms based on years of prospects,like how left handed Serbian forwards under 20 who excelled in FIBA U16 international competition fare in the NBA. You just don’t have access to the kind of data.

[KobesAchilles]

The problem that causes most fans to come up short is that they only see what the player currently is, and that’s not what the draft is. It hasn’t been that way since probably the 1990s. Organizations also have data farms based on years of prospects,like how left handed Serbian forwards under 20 who excelled in FIBA U16 international competition fare in the NBA. You just don’t have access to the kind of data.
And even without any of that knowledge, an idiot (i.e. me) knew that Primo sucked when we drafted him and Sengun was better. Also knew that Sochan couldn't/shouldn't be a point guard. And that we should surround Wemby with shooters. Some people are like you who think that just because something was great 20 years ago it always stays great. Coaches have expiration dates. All of them. Pop included. Wemby has zero starters on his team right now going forward that will be on our future championship team. That includes Devin.

Idk if Wemby will leave the Spurs. I do know that he wants to win and the FRANCHISE player is always more important than the coach. Always. This slow and steady shit sounds good to everyone on this team except Wemby. I know he doubts the talent on his team right now. He was in France with scrubs on his team and carrying them also. The dude is not stupid. Get a PG who can shoot and create for others/himself. Draft your wing player and then take it from there. Sign actual champions as vets instead of the shit ones we have.

I mean the foolish ego Pop has to think that he can teach Wemby how to play, teach Sochan how to be a PG, teach Vassell how to share the ball, teach KJ how to play defense, teach Champaigne anything, and teach Branham how to play as well is beyond amazing to me and I don't see how nobody here besides me didn't have the foresight to see this. It's impossible to teach kids how to play the game, how to be professionals, how to hold accountability, and how to win close games when your only vet leader is your coach.

[LeBowen]

And even without any of that knowledge, an idiot (i.e. me) knew that Primo sucked when we drafted him and Sengun was better. Also knew that Sochan couldn't/shouldn't be a point guard. And that we should surround Wemby with shooters. Some people are like you who think that just because something was great 20 years ago it always stays great. Coaches have expiration dates. All of them. Pop included. Wemby has zero starters on his team right now going forward that will be on our future championship team. That includes Devin.

This should be a pinned message whenever someone thinks about saying anything positive about the current situation of our franchise, tbh.
PATFO just got complacent over the years and didn't keep up with the evolution of the game.
Still, past 5 years of mismanagement became irrelevant in last year's lottery, but the fact that PATFO's decisions are mostly questionable these days remains.
And will start hurting us this summer if they don't get their shit together.

No more attempted masterstrokes or pounding the rock nonsense.
Get some damn wings with size that can shoot threes and defend.
And a point guard that can run an offense. It's not fucking rocket science.

[exstatic]

And even without any of that knowledge, an idiot (i.e. me) knew that Primo sucked when we drafted him and Sengun was better. Also knew that Sochan couldn't/shouldn't be a point guard. And that we should surround Wemby with shooters. Some people are like you who think that just because something was great 20 years ago it always stays great. Coaches have expiration dates. All of them. Pop included. Wemby has zero starters on his team right now going forward that will be on our future championship team. That includes Devin.

Idk if Wemby will leave the Spurs. I do know that he wants to win and the FRANCHISE player is always more important than the coach. Always. This slow and steady shit sounds good to everyone on this team except Wemby. I know he doubts the talent on his team right now. He was in France with scrubs on his team and carrying them also. The dude is not stupid. Get a PG who can shoot and create for others/himself. Draft your wing player and then take it from there. Sign actual champions as vets instead of the shit ones we have.

I mean the foolish ego Pop has to think that he can teach Wemby how to play, teach Sochan how to be a PG, teach Vassell how to share the ball, teach KJ how to play defense, teach Champaigne anything, and teach Branham how to play as well is beyond amazing to me and I don't see how nobody here besides me didn't have the foresight to see this. It's impossible to teach kids how to play the game, how to be professionals, how to hold accountability, and how to win close games when your only vet leader is your coach.

Hindsight is 20/20. The fact is, no one knows what Primo could have become if he had kept his yingyang in his pants. It’s just a guess. Player drafted outside the top 10 doesn’t show a lot as a rookie. Stop the presses.

I liked Sengün, but I kind of wavered, and in fact his success is why I ABSOLUTELY will not come off Topic.

I want the Spurs to use both FRPs this year, if there are two, and sign or trade for a couple of defensive minded vets. Do what Houston did last summer, but better. Hold and use the ATL picks.

[LeBowen]

Hindsight is 20/20. The fact is, no one knows what Primo could have become if he had kept his yingyang in his pants. It’s just a guess. Player drafted outside the top 10 doesn’t show a lot as a rookie. Stop the presses.

He didn't show anything to make us believe he would've been worth the pick.
Failing in draft isn't a problem, the problem are these wild selections noone could've predicted.
OKC can afford to do so because they've got a shitton of picks.

For comparison, Lonnie was also a failed pick, but their logic was sound.
Ridiculous athlete, picture perfect jumpshot, solid handles, he just never put it together.

Primo and Samanic were two abstract picks where PATFO tried to prove they're smarter than everyone and it turned out that there's a reason noone else was going for those two with such low picks.

Out of all the years when Spurs favored international players, passing on Sengun was inexcusable.
Worked out well because of 14% lottery win, but if it didn't, Spurs would've broken the worst ever record this year.
Imagine this team without Wemby. At least two more years of less than 20 wins after this one. Would've never recovered from it.

[spurraider21]

Does he have a lottery crystal ball? Because those aren’t even remotely the current team positions.
probably just ran a lottery sim and went with it

[Mr. Body]

Primo showed flashes. Hold on, that came out wrong.

Saying Primo was going to be bad is just flat out wrong. In Summer League he showed some really great stuff. Then struggled during the season. He was incredibly young, I think only 18 when he was drafted.

So... yeah, if you think you know what he might have become if he didn't have a fly problem, you're wrong. If it makes you feel better to keep saying it, fine, but it's not correct.

[exstatic]

probably just ran a lottery sim and went with it

Someone posted that he did exactly that. Weird methodology for a mock, but, whatever.

[Seventyniner]

Someone posted that he did exactly that. Weird methodology for a mock, but, whatever.

I think it's fine if he does several more mocks with the same methodology. For a one-off it's strange.

[Mr. Body]

He didn't show anything to make us believe he would've been worth the pick.
Failing in draft isn't a problem, the problem are these wild selections noone could've predicted.
OKC can afford to do so because they've got a shitton of picks.

For comparison, Lonnie was also a failed pick, but their logic was sound.
Ridiculous athlete, picture perfect jumpshot, solid handles, he just never put it together.

Primo and Samanic were two abstract picks where PATFO tried to prove they're smarter than everyone and it turned out that there's a reason noone else was going for those two with such low picks.

Out of all the years when Spurs favored international players, passing on Sengun was inexcusable.
Worked out well because of 14% lottery win, but if it didn't, Spurs would've broken the worst ever record this year.
Imagine this team without Wemby. At least two more years of less than 20 wins after this one. Would've never recovered from it.

Nah, you're pretty mistaken about Primo and whatever promise he might have had. I get it -- people generally transform the past in order to submit preconceived narratives. Some of us actually remember what was happening at the time.

The other thing everyone conveniently 'forgets' is that there was a serious fall-off in that draft at that point. Obviously Sengun should have been the pick, but everyone passed on him. Even the supposedly brilliant Thunder, who threw him away to Houston. After him, it was Trey Murphy, who was a really poor defender at Virginia and was only a shooter. (He's still only a shooter.) Herb Jones came down the line, so maybe that was a miss, but everyone missed him.

Saying Primo was obviously bad is just sad rewriting of history.

[JPB]

And even without any of that knowledge, an idiot (i.e. me) knew that Primo sucked when we drafted him and Sengun was better. Also knew that Sochan couldn't/shouldn't be a point guard.

Most glaring example.

People (including myself) have been trashed here as beotians who don't know BB vs. Pop the master for saying that Sochan experience was weird, he wasn't a PG, that wouldn't last long and we"d never see the guy ever again play PG here or anywhere else...

but Pop knew better... It hurt not only Sochan but Wemby's development who suddenly started to really blossom with a real PG around... 2 or 3 months lost.

[JPB]

Nah, you're pretty mistaken about Primo and whatever promise he might have had. I get it -- people generally transform the past in order to submit preconceived narratives. Some of us actually remember what was happening at the time.

The other thing everyone conveniently 'forgets' is that there was a serious fall-off in that draft at that point. Obviously Sengun should have been the pick, but everyone passed on him. Even the supposedly brilliant Thunder, who threw him away to Houston. After him, it was Trey Murphy, who was a really poor defender at Virginia and was only a shooter. (He's still only a shooter.) Herb Jones came down the line, so maybe that was a miss, but everyone missed him.

Saying Primo was obviously bad is just sad rewriting of history.

Yeah, that's why he's been a G leaguer for months now. Primo showed absolutely nothing that let suppose he would be anything than a 3rd string PG at best. In any other team, you would have trashed him.

But some of your guys standards are so low, that a soon as one of our young players doesn't dribble on his foot every other possession, he has "upside"... It seems that you fall in love and get emotionally atttached with any player putting on a spurs jersey whether it's Mamu, Barlow, Champagnie, Branham, Blake, all guys that nobody in the rest of the NBA would want as anything else than bench warmers.

We're not suffering from cognitive dissonance, you are just resorting to the Coué method and wishful thnking not to face reality.

[LeBowen]

But some of your guys standards are so low, that a soon as one of our young players doesn't dribble on his foot every other possession, he has "upside"... It seems that you fall in love and get emotionally atttached with any player putting on a spurs jersey whether it's Mamu, Barlow, Champagnie, Branham, Blake, all guys that nobody in the rest of the NBA would want as anything else than bench warmers.

I'd say that a lot of people who are positive about our roster don't watch many other games except for top contenders. I'm not talking just about this forum, but Spurs fanbase in general.
Scrubs like Branham or Wesley hit a couple of layups and people start coping that they're getting on the right track and that there's hope for them to be a part of a legit NBA roster.
Best case scenario for non-Wemby members of the roster is Tre as a subpar backup PG, Sochan as a shit-stirring utility forward who's actually not that great at the game and Devin as a third/fourth option on a legit playoff team.
But then he'll get traded because he's not worth the money.
Others are completely useless for serious basketball.

Even in best case scenario for each player's development, all of them except Devin will have serious, fundamental flaws that just can't be fixed.
Whether it be size, bball IQ, lack of shooting mechanics or lack of athleticism on defense.

[The Truth #6]

I wanted Primo to do well, but in summer league they were trying him at point guard and he couldn't get by anyone and I think by the end of summer league they sort of shifted away from that a little bit. I don't think there was much promise for him coming out of Summer League. I think most people were frustrated at picking him but in some weird way somewhat relieved he got cut because he was going to be given too much time to try and be a point guard instead of just learning how to be a role player who can shoot the three really well. That's how I remember it at least.

[The Truth #6]

Primo actually would have been very helpful as an off the bench guard or wing as he was a pretty good three-point shooter.

[rankingtear]

He didn't show anything to make us believe he would've been worth the pick.
Failing in draft isn't a problem, the problem are these wild selections noone could've predicted.
OKC can afford to do so because they've got a shitton of picks.

For comparison, Lonnie was also a failed pick, but their logic was sound.
Ridiculous athlete, picture perfect jumpshot, solid handles, he just never put it together.

Primo and Samanic were two abstract picks where PATFO tried to prove they're smarter than everyone and it turned out that there's a reason noone else was going for those two with such low picks.

Out of all the years when Spurs favored international players, passing on Sengun was inexcusable.
Worked out well because of 14% lottery win, but if it didn't, Spurs would've broken the worst ever record this year.
Imagine this team without Wemby. At least two more years of less than 20 wins after this one. Would've never recovered from it.

OKC also loved Primo and passed on Sengun. Now they got Chet and we have Wemby. We are really like OKC. Now to reach on the draft again and get our Jalen Williams.

[LeBowen]

OKC also loved Primo and passed on Sengun.

There was nothing wrong with Primo pick if we weren't in the lottery.


Now they got Chet and we have Wemby. We are really like OKC. Now to reach on the draft again and get our Jalen Williams.

We got Sochan instead.

[rankingtear]

There was nothing wrong with Primo pick if we weren't in the lottery.



We got Sochan instead.

We can get his brother.

[rankingtear]

Most glaring example.

People (including myself) have been trashed here as beotians who don't know BB vs. Pop the master for saying that Sochan experience was weird, he wasn't a PG, that wouldn't last long and we"d never see the guy ever again play PG here or anywhere else...

but Pop knew better... It hurt not only Sochan but Wemby's development who suddenly started to really blossom with a real PG around... 2 or 3 months lost.

It is for spacing cause Sochan can't shoot yet. That double big lineup with Sochan off ball would be as much of a distaster.

[SOMA Spur]

Current mock from The Athletic's Sam Vecenie:

1. Risacher (Blazers)
2. Sarr (Wizards)
3. Buzelis (Pistons)
4. Sheppard (Grizzlies)
5. Topic (Spurs)
6. Castle (Hornets)
7. Williams (Spurs via Raptors)
8. Holland (Rockets via Nets)
9. Dillingham (Jazz)
10. Salaun (Hawks)
11. Clingan (Thunder via Rockets)
12. Knecht (Bulls)
13. Collier (Pelicans via Lakers)
14. Walter (Blazers via Warriors)

If this is the order, and available players, I'm taking Dilly at 5, and a wing at 7 (Williams or Holland or Knecht) and am pretty damn happy with the draft. Both with the talent infusion and their reasonable contracts.

[scott]

Current mock from The Athletic's Sam Vecenie:

1. Risacher (Blazers)
2. Sarr (Wizards)
3. Buzelis (Pistons)
4. Sheppard (Grizzlies)
5. Topic (Spurs)
6. Castle (Hornets)
7. Williams (Spurs via Raptors)
8. Holland (Rockets via Nets)
9. Dillingham (Jazz)
10. Salaun (Hawks)
11. Clingan (Thunder via Rockets)
12. Knecht (Bulls)
13. Collier (Pelicans via Lakers)
14. Walter (Blazers via Warriors)

If it played out this way, I think I'd want us to double dip on wings and take Williams and Holland, which might be a little bit of a hot take. I'm going cold on all of the PG prospects in this draft, quite honestly. Knecht or even Filipokski might be in play for me in these scenarios as well.

If that happened, I'd feel like we did the best we could in the draft but still pretty meh.

[spurraider21]

damn, passing in dillingham twice? thats gotta be a no from me dog

[scott]

damn, passing in dillingham twice? thats gotta be a no from me dog

Dilly might be one of my favorite players in this draft, but I'm starting to feel like the Spurs wouldn't take him for no other reason than his size. If I am wrong, I'd be happy. I'd go Dilly/Holland in that case. I don't love Holland, but I like him more than Williams I think.

[The Truth #6]

Holland seems like a more athletic Keldon but without a jumper. What am I missing?

[vy65]

Hindsight is 20/20.

There were a lot of people who hated the pick at the time, and continued the hate up until he got released.

[Mr. Body]

Current mock from The Athletic's Sam Vecenie:

1. Risacher (Blazers)
2. Sarr (Wizards)
3. Buzelis (Pistons)
4. Sheppard (Grizzlies)
5. Topic (Spurs)
6. Castle (Hornets)
7. Williams (Spurs via Raptors)
8. Holland (Rockets via Nets)
9. Dillingham (Jazz)
10. Salaun (Hawks)
11. Clingan (Thunder via Rockets)
12. Knecht (Bulls)
13. Collier (Pelicans via Lakers)
14. Walter (Blazers via Warriors)

For Shiz and Giggz, I would grab Castle and Dillingham. I'm still open to Topic but don't actually think he's a player we need (position either needs shooting or defense and he does neither). But I also don't think the Spurs take Dillingham.

And I don't believe in Cody Williams. He looks pretty bad lately. Not a horrible player, but not a lottery pick even in this draft. The only 'top' SF I might like is Buzelis. And then, later, George and Furphy still. I don't think there's a small forward solution in this draft.

[Mr. Body]

There were a lot of people who hated the pick at the time, and continued the hate up until he got released.

These came in two groups:

1. Those who wanted Sengun, who were right, and
2. People who have no idea who was on the board, who they would have picked instead, and just shit on the carpet constantly for no apparent reason.

[exstatic]

There were a lot of people who hated the pick at the time, and continued the hate up until he got released.
There are a lot of people here that hate almost everything the Spurs do. Doesn’t move the needle with me.

[vy65]

These came in two groups:

1. Those who wanted Sengun, who were right, and
2. People who have no idea who was on the board, who they would have picked instead, and just shit on the carpet constantly for no apparent reason.

Wish the search function worked so we could check the transcript

[vy65]

There are a lot of people here that hate almost everything the Spurs do. Doesn’t move the needle with me.

Nevertheless, not hindsight

[scott]

Holland seems like a more athletic Keldon but without a jumper. What am I missing?

That may be a pretty fair evaluation - but to me there are a few distinguishing factors that are important.

The first would be Holland size. He's 6'8" and I've seen his wingspan reported at anywhere from 6'10.5" - 7'2" (the combine will give us the truth). Keldon, on the other hand is 6'5" with a 6'8.5" wingspan. If Keldon were just Keldon with Holland's size, I think that would be a huge difference maker.

In some Holland tape I saw some of the same things I liked about Whitmore tape last year: glimpses of some Kawhi-like power and interior moves. His 3P% is definitely a major red flag for me though. My liking Holland at a potential #8 pick is really less about Holland and more about the lack of better options, tbh.

[Mr. Body]

Wish the search function worked so we could check the transcript

I don't need a search to know you just shit your pants constantly.

[vy65]

I don't need a search to know you just shit your pants constantly.

You son of a bitch, I’m in

[The Truth #6]

That may be a pretty fair evaluation - but to me there are a few distinguishing factors that are important.

The first would be Holland size. He's 6'8" and I've seen his wingspan reported at anywhere from 6'10.5" - 7'2" (the combine will give us the truth). Keldon, on the other hand is 6'5" with a 6'8.5" wingspan. If Keldon were just Keldon with Holland's size, I think that would be a huge difference maker.

In some Holland tape I saw some of the same things I liked about Whitmore tape last year: glimpses of some Kawhi-like power and interior moves. His 3P% is definitely a major red flag for me though. My liking Holland at a potential #8 pick is really less about Holland and more about the lack of better options, tbh.

Totally fair. I've read he's actually 6'6" which is my concern, among others. But I like his rugged determination. On our feeble team that alone could be helpful. I'm just scared of his jumper and want more quick results, so I'm leaning towards Knecht there. But this draft is like polishing a turd, hoping for magical results.

[Bruno]

https://twitter.com/l_arceau/status/1770512611282456883

RC was at a game today in France to watch Risacher:

- It's noteworthy that RC is still involved in the scouting/evaluating process. I don't know who has the final say on draft day but it seems clear that Wright won't be the only one to decide.

- A very quiet game from Risacher (6 points in 14min). He was a non factor in this game with some early foul trouble and very little offensive involvement. He has had a concussion in February with French NT and hasn't been the same since that.

- On the other team, Sekou Doumbouya shined with 26 points in 30 min. His first NBA stint was a disaster with personal/character issues and injuries. He is now trying to make a comeback. If he keeps his head clear and keep working hard, I wouldn't be surprised to see him back in NBA: he has for sure enough talent to play there.

[Mr. Body]

You son of a bitch, I’m in

Who did I want in that draft?

Lol. What a fucking imbecile.

[scott]

Totally fair. I've read he's actually 6'6" which is my concern, among others. But I like his rugged determination. On our feeble team that alone could be helpful. I'm just scared of his jumper and want more quick results, so I'm leaning towards Knecht there. But this draft is like polishing a turd, hoping for magical results.

If he comes in at only 6'6" it would definitely change my view on him! I'm intrigued by Knecht as well, though I"m not sure if he is ideally what I want out of the backup SG position. I feel like a Cam Thomas type SG is the ideal 6th man on a team like this, and I'm not high on Knecht or Branham being able to be that kind of scorer. In some ways, Keldon is kind of that though more limited in his creation ability.

[vy65]

Who did I want in that draft?

Lol. What a fucking imbecile.

This may come as a huge surprise, but I haven’t memorized the 2022 draft preferences of an anonymous internet poster named Mr. Body. What I do remember is you opening your anus wide open to receive as much semen as possible from the front office for a never-ran player.

[Russ]

[QUOTE=Bruno;11044501]https://twitter.com/l_arceau/status/1770512611282456883

Risacher sounds a lot like the Pas de Calais (re RC's very overt scouting).

(And why does that guy not look at all like RC Buford?)

[TD 21]

This may come as a huge surprise, but I haven’t memorized the 2022 draft preferences of an anonymous internet poster named Mr. Body. What I do remember is you opening your anus wide open to receive as much semen as possible from the front office for a never-ran player.

:lmao The sarcasm of the first part made me laugh so hard I've got tears in my eyes and am now coughing and trying to clear my throat.

[Mr. Body]

This may come as a huge surprise, but I haven’t memorized the 2022 draft preferences of an anonymous internet poster named Mr. Body. What I do remember is you opening your anus wide open to receive as much semen as possible from the front office for a never-ran player.

Hey, just so you know, I'm pinking you. You're like a horsefly, just buzzing about with nothing to say. So I'm no longer going to bother.

[Mr. Body]

People, can we really not do better in this forum? Like, even an ounce of effort? I don't really get just coming into a thread, leaving a massive shit, then stomping around in it. Then doing it in another thread. If you literally have nothing to say, just go somewhere else? I realize this is kind of a cesspool of a message board, because it took on timvp's toxic personality when he was younger, but there's no reason to do this "I'm a fucking dipshit" routine over and over.

Fortunately there is still good stuff here, otherwise this might just be the absolute worst forum in the NBA without equal.

[exstatic]

https://twitter.com/l_arceau/status/1770512611282456883

Risacher sounds a lot like the Pas de Calais (re RC's very overt scouting).

(And why does that guy not look at all like RC Buford?)

If you tap the tweet, the photo expands, and RC is to the left of the gentleman in center frame.

Pas de Calais, indeed. Two players the Spurs are know to have interest in are both ‘hurt’ right now. Shades of Batum and his heart condition.

[SpursBills]

What are your guys' favorite green flags / red flags for NBA prospects (either statistical or eye-test wise)?

Some of the ones I've seen in the past:

Green flags:

Tall wings who shoot well (6'7+ with a strong shooting signal based on FT% and 3P% +/- youth)
Tall wings with high AST rate and decent steal rate
Centers with high block%, low fouls, large improvement in team defensive rating

Red flags:
Guards with limited athleticism with low shooting signal
Defensive guards with small wingspans
Guys whose shot diet is mainly mid-range jumpers at average efficiency
One dimensional shooters with limited ancillary skills
Physical specimen bigs with low "feel" (low AST%, low ST%, low AS:TO)

[heyheymymy]

[QUOTE=Bruno;11044501]https://twitter.com/l_arceau/status/1770512611282456883

Risacher sounds a lot like the Pas de Calais (re RC's very overt scouting).

(And why does that guy not look at all like RC Buford?)

haha I said the same thing. RC is in there, click the link for the larger pic and you see him

[vy65]

Hey, just so you know, I'm pinking you. You're like a horsefly, just buzzing about with nothing to say. So I'm no longer going to bother.

Cool, thanks for letting me know!

[heyheymymy]

Colorado on truTV at 8:10 CST

Another look at lifeless Cody Williams who I am nonetheless enamored with the possible potential of. Cody hasn't done much of anything exceptional at all but I just feel like he's the type of physical frame and personality that Spurs could shape into a good player over a few seasons. Don't think his brother matters much directly or anything, but having basketball in the family in general has an immersive effect if Cody is receptive to that and embraces it imho.

All forecast potential though. Way too much extrapolation so I am hesitant. Not calling a hot game or anything, just more observation but he is one on my radar that I hope does well. stick poke do something meme.jpg

[Knoxxx]

Does he have a lottery crystal ball? Because those aren’t even remotely the current team positions.

Come on man it was obvious from the first pick he was making his own projections.

[Pauleta14]

Colorado on truTV at 8:10 CST

Another look at lifeless Cody Williams who I am nonetheless enamored with the possible potential of. Cody hasn't done much of anything exceptional at all but I just feel like he's the type of physical frame and personality that Spurs could shape into a good player over a few seasons. Don't think his brother matters much directly or anything, but having basketball in the family in general has an immersive effect if Cody is receptive to that and embraces it imho.

All forecast potential though. Way too much extrapolation so I am hesitant. Not calling a hot game or anything, just more observation but he is one on my radar that I hope does well. stick poke do something meme.jpg

I’m with you on Cody. In a draft where there’s no ready players I’d rather bet on him. I like his body type/wingspan a lot

[exstatic]

Come on man it was obvious from the first pick he was making his own projections.

I’m not quibbling about the picks, just the order of selecting teams, which was explained, but has nothing to do with current reality or standings.

[Mr. Body]

Cody Williams has looked rough for a while now.

[alfahdlan]

Who did I want in that draft?

Lol. What a fucking imbecile.

There was a time (still today):when Mr. Body valued character above all else. Just unfortunate that we were dupe by that kid.

[Pauleta14]

https://x.com/CUBarstool/status/1770644788783571226?s=20

[Mr. Body]

There was a time (still today):when Mr. Body valued character above all else. Just unfortunate that we were dupe by that kid.

I do value character. I don't value: liars, bigots, assholes, people who only come on here to berate players and shit on the team and have these shit-smeary circlejerks about whatever the fuck. These people are just fucking pointless.

That's just scummy shit. I do admire and appreciate people with: opinions, actual, honest opinions and thoughts about basketball.

And I KNOW you know the difference. But for some reason getting 'in' with the galactic tier twerps on this site, the dregs, is what is important to you.

[alfahdlan]

What are your guys' favorite green flags / red flags for NBA prospects (either statistical or eye-test wise)?

Some of the ones I've seen in the past:

Green flags:

Tall wings who shoot well (6'7+ with a strong shooting signal based on FT% and 3P% +/- youth)
Tall wings with high AST rate and decent steal rate
Centers with high block%, low fouls, large improvement in team defensive rating

Red flags:
Guards with limited athleticism with low shooting signal
Defensive guards with small wingspans
Guys whose shot diet is mainly mid-range jumpers at average efficiency
One dimensional shooters with limited ancillary skills
Physical specimen bigs with low "feel" (low AST%, low ST%, low AS:TO)

Payton Sandfort of Iowa is a green flag then.

[Mr. Body]

Cody Williams only got a couple minutes in the second half. His coach doesn't trust him to play in this game. Yikes. What other first rounders are unplayable in a tournament game?

[alfahdlan]

Can even have him SF at 33. Payton, I mean. He has an NBA 3P projection in the vicinity of what curry, lillard McCollum and JJ Reddick had.

[baseline bum]

Cody Williams only got a couple minutes in the second half. His coach doesn't trust him to play in this game. Yikes. What other first rounders are unplayable in a tournament game?

Hoping it's the ankle as opposed to just being soft.

[R. DeMurre]

What are your guys' favorite green flags / red flags for NBA prospects (either statistical or eye-test wise)?

Some of the ones I've seen in the past:

Green flags:

Tall wings who shoot well (6'7+ with a strong shooting signal based on FT% and 3P% +/- youth)
Tall wings with high AST rate and decent steal rate
Centers with high block%, low fouls, large improvement in team defensive rating

Red flags:
Guards with limited athleticism with low shooting signal
Defensive guards with small wingspans
Guys whose shot diet is mainly mid-range jumpers at average efficiency
One dimensional shooters with limited ancillary skills
Physical specimen bigs with low "feel" (low AST%, low ST%, low AS:TO)


Red: Undersized SGs (<6'3") with gaudy stats who stubbornly resist playing PG and aren't defensive minded... these guys almost never win championships, even if they're big time all stars like Allen Iverson or Donovan Mitchell.

[SpursBills]

Can even have him SF at 33. Payton, I mean.


I haven't seen him play personally, but his numbers suggest that his defense sucks and he's not athletic enough to make it in the league. I think he's probably a UDFA but he might have a better shot of being a semi-useful player than most UDFA, like a Sam Hauser type.

[toki9]

Can even have him SF at 33. Payton, I mean. He has an NBA 3P projection in the vicinity of what curry, lillard McCollum and JJ Reddick had.

Vecenie’s current mock has Payton going to the Spurs at #44via Lakers, FWIW.

[heyheymymy]

Cody Williams only got a couple minutes in the second half. His coach doesn't trust him to play in this game. Yikes. What other first rounders are unplayable in a tournament game?

red flag

[alfahdlan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwC5dF5JqLU
I haven't seen him play personally, but his numbers suggest that his defense sucks and he's not athletic enough to make it in the league. I think he's probably a UDFA but he might have a better shot of being a semi-useful player than most UDFA, like a Sam Hauser type.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CwC5dF5JqLU&pp=ygUacGF5dG9uIHNhbmRmb3J0IGhpZ2hsaWdodHM%3D his highlights last year.

[DAF86]

I’m with you on Cody. In a draft where there’s no ready players I’d rather bet on him. I like his body type/wingspan a lot

You will then be complaining about his lack of skills like shooting or passing to help Vic a bit, tbh. :lol

[mo7888]

Cody Williams only got a couple minutes in the second half. His coach doesn't trust him to play in this game. Yikes. What other first rounders are unplayable in a tournament game?

Williams or Knecht with the TOR pick? I think that's a legit question now..

[exstatic]

I like the dice roll on Cody, but he’s almost as much of a swing as Primo was.

[bluebellmaniac]

I like the dice roll on Cody, but he’s almost as much of a swing as Primo was.

Oh Primo could swing it, by many accounts...

[The Truth #6]

Williams or Knecht with the TOR pick? I think that's a legit question now..

Sounds like you're coming around on Knecht due to the poor state of options?

[Atl Spur]

Sounds like you're coming around on Knecht due to the poor state of options?

I think it’s more people see knecht more than a one trick pony; Reed and Knecht might work with the picks using Vic as the point center.

[mo7888]

Sounds like you're coming around on Knecht due to the poor state of options?

Kinda... I really don't like the thought of taking guys like Knecht inside the top 10, but I've never been able to sell myself on Williams...or Walter...or Dilly...

So yea... I think you're right...

[rascal]

Castle is going to give you what White would have given you. His upside is White who is proving to be a solid starter on the best team in the league.

Castle seems more like a player the Spurs would be interested in before Knecht.

[Big Empty]

Reed Shepard or Topic?

[onechance87]

This team needs a pg.Just a pg who controls the pace and sets the players up would improve
the team imo.Gotta go with topic or dilly.

[Mr. Body]

Word is that Williams is still playing on a bum ankle. To be honest, I couldn't tell. He seems to be moving fine. But then his production really did drop off from earlier in the season.

My fear, along with Risacher, is that they are not actually great shooters and only went on heaters and have fallen to earth. One reason I've been focusing more on guards. But Cody can bounce back with workouts and combine, etc.

[rjv]

i wish i could find a better source for updates or news regarding topic's injury but there's just not that much out there that is easy to find. for those interested in sheppard or dillingham, i'd have them observe their defense. UK is vulnerable because their perimeter defense is so weak and both of the former are part of that problem.

[baseline bum]

Reed Shepard or Topic?

Dillingham hopefully

[baseline bum]

This team needs a pg.Just a pg who controls the pace and sets the players up would improve
the team imo.Gotta go with topic or dilly.

Probably going to have to get in the top 3 to get Dillingham unless Sheppard has a monster tournament or someone in the top 3 falls in love with Buzelis. Especially with Cody Williams looking so crap.

[baseline bum]

Kinda... I really don't like the thought of taking guys like Knecht inside the top 10, but I've never been able to sell myself on Williams...or Walter...or Dilly...

Yea... I think you're right...

I can't understand Walter anywhere near the top 10 even in this trash draft. What does he do other than miss a lot of threes?

[baseline bum]

Holy shit anyone checked the NBADraft.net mock? They have the Spurs taking Knecht and Sarr. Knecht at #3 and Sarr at #7. And Detroit taking Cody Williams #1 :lmao

[mo7888]

Reed Shepard or Topic?

I'm taking Topic if it's between those...

[mo7888]

I can't understand Walter anywhere near the top 10 even in this trash draft. What does he do other than miss a lot of threes?

He's falling for sure, but how far can he really fall in this draft?

[baseline bum]

He's falling for sure, but how far can he really fall in this draft?

Still, what upside does Walters have? He's not an athlete, he doesn't have much size, he doesn't play very good defense, can't shoot, I don't see what anyone expects out of him.

[The Truth #6]

Reed seems wildly overrated. Short, plays off ball, and can't guard his man well. Sign me up?

[Mr. Body]

Ja'Kobe Walter may be seen in the Keyonte George mold, who also played for Baylor. George was more of a PG and was a better shooter and is looking pretty good for Utah. He was highly inefficient in college. Walter is even worse in terms of shooting, but gets to the line way more. I guess that's why his adv metrics on offense are better. His free throw % is very good.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=kyshawn-george--ja-kobe-walter

[spurraider21]

I'm taking Topic if it's between those...
tbh this is a tough one. if topic even played reasonably well in euroleague at 18, i would have been on board with him as one of the primary targets, betting on his shooting coming around, and his size advantage allowing us to mask some of his defensive issues. without that evaluation, it almost feels irresponsible taking him. but i also have a lot of questions about sheppard's ability to play PG full time, which imo is his only path to being a starter. and if im taking somebody top 10, im banking on them being at least a starter in 1 year

[Mr. Body]

As for top 10, we might see Knecht, Filipowski, Clingan, Collier, Tyler Smith, Devin Carter, and possibly others vie for that area. My guess is Walter will get pushed out.

[spurraider21]

my in-depth analysis of jakobe walter after scouring through thousands of hours of footage:

https://i.gyazo.com/0e6589fee8f0cddd4dae51c4da11e39e.png

[td4mvp2k]

Castle is going to give you what White would have given you. His upside is White who is proving to be a solid starter on the best team in the league.

Castle seems more like a player the Spurs would be interested in before Knecht.
castle looks like he got all the tools to be a star in the NBA. he really needs to work on shooting but he seems to have highest upside at the top tbh

[baseline bum]

my in-depth analysis of jakobe walter after scouring through thousands of hours of footage:

https://i.gyazo.com/0e6589fee8f0cddd4dae51c4da11e39e.png

Pretty much my thoughts on Buzelis, though I'd probably still take him if Riscaher, Sarr, and Dillingham are off the board since Cody Williams has an ugly girlfriend.

[spurraider21]

Pretty much my thoughts on Buzelis, though I'd probably still take him if Riscaher, Sarr, and Dillingham are off the board since Cody Williams has an ugly girlfriend.
at this point buzelis looks like a taller sochan (defense first, solid ball handler for the position) but with better scoring touch and at least the outline of eventually being a perimeter scorer even if he's not there yet. he doesnt have to rebuild his shot from the ground up

with dillingham, man he's just got confidence. when he walks into a room his dick's already been in there for 3 minutes

[buttsR4rebounding]

If you tap the tweet, the photo expands, and RC is to the left of the gentleman in center frame.

Pas de Calais, indeed. Two players the Spurs are know to have interest in are both ‘hurt’ right now. Shades of Batum and his heart condition.

Are you implying Risacher's recent poor play is a ploy to insure that he is available to the Spurs to draft? You know he would absolutely love to play with Wemby.

[buttsR4rebounding]

For Shiz and Giggz, I would grab Castle and Dillingham. I'm still open to Topic but don't actually think he's a player we need (position either needs shooting or defense and he does neither). But I also don't think the Spurs take Dillingham.

And I don't believe in Cody Williams. He looks pretty bad lately. Not a horrible player, but not a lottery pick even in this draft. The only 'top' SF I might like is Buzelis. And then, later, George and Furphy still. I don't think there's a small forward solution in this draft.

Taking 2 PG prospects would be the totally wrong move. There is no PG prospect available that will move the needle in the next 3 years. I am good with drafting someone that the Spurs feel can be the PG of the future, but that person likely spends next season in Austin and then is primarily 3 string PG in year 2, maybe some back up PG. It is generally accepted that PG is the most difficult position to learn in the NBA. I would draft one PG and sign your starting PG and let the draft pick learn like DJ and White did. The second pick needs to be a wing or possibly a PF. They, too, likely are back ups in year one as well, but maybe not in Austin. We are all looking to take the next step with 2 lottery picks, but I think it is much more likely the next significant needle mover is through a trade or FA signing.

[Mr. Body]

Taking 2 PG prospects would be the totally wrong move. There is no PG prospect available that will move the needle in the next 3 years. I am good with drafting someone that the Spurs feel can be the PG of the future, but that person likely spends next season in Austin and then is primarily 3 string PG in year 2, maybe some back up PG. It is generally accepted that PG is the most difficult position to learn in the NBA. I would draft one PG and sign your starting PG and let the draft pick learn like DJ and White did. The second pick needs to be a wing or possibly a PF. They, too, likely are back ups in year one as well, but maybe not in Austin. We are all looking to take the next step with 2 lottery picks, but I think it is much more likely the next significant needle mover is through a trade or FA signing.

The reasons I disagree are these:

1. The best players at the top and mid-point of the lottery are guards
2. I don't agree that either of these players will be in Austin next year. They're not as raw as Wesley was.
3. In position-less basketball, especially around Wembanyama, having guards doesn't matter as much. The Knicks play three guards sometimes, very well
4. Team needs on-ball perimeter scoring and on-ball defense and these players will give them to you

If the Toronto pick conveys, I'm not taking a PF simply because I need one. Or even a wing, because I don't think those are good players. If the best player is still a guard, then that's still a valued need and I take one if that's my best pick. It helps to not think in terms of nebulous supposedys: your PF choice is Filipowski. Your SF choice is Ron Holland. In those cases, taking Castle is not unreasonable.

[scott]

At this point, I’m hoping we just use the picks for trades.

[buttsR4rebounding]

At this point, I’m hoping we just use the picks for trades.

I do agree with that. If the Spurs internal evaluation is similar to the concensus then find the team that loves a player in the draft and extract value in that manner.

[BatManu20]

Lol. This is relevant.

1770903874070888940

[Mr. Body]

Lol. This is relevant.

1770903874070888940

Ouch.

[spurraider21]

i mean... kinda had to see that coming, but ouch

[buttsR4rebounding]

With NIL and the total lack of pretense of scholastic requirements Ignite is really not necessary.

[scott]

I hope this doesn’t have the result of pushing more kids into Overtime Elite

[mo7888]

Still, what upside does Walters have? He's not an athlete, he doesn't have much size, he doesn't play very good defense, can't shoot, I don't see what anyone expects out of him.
He was projected to be a 3D shooter and he's not living up to tgat projection so far... things change based on performance..

[mo7888]

tbh this is a tough one. if topic even played reasonably well in euroleague at 18, i would have been on board with him as one of the primary targets, betting on his shooting coming around, and his size advantage allowing us to mask some of his defensive issues. without that evaluation, it almost feels irresponsible taking him. but i also have a lot of questions about sheppard's ability to play PG full time, which imo is his only path to being a starter. and if im taking somebody top 10, im banking on them being at least a starter in 1 year

Im going Topic. Shephard has a more definite floor, but Topic has a much higher ceiling imo. I'd bet on the ceiling, but in this draft, I wouldn't criticize someone who'd rather bet on the higher floor.

[SpursBills]

I think things have been much better after the new year but honestly early in the year sometimes it felt like watching the spurs was like watching G-league ignite. Just a bunch of young kids thrown together with no system or structure constantly getting blown out by 30, was absolutely painful to watch sometimes. I wonder if pistons and wizards fans felt the same way. I'm open to building slowly but I'd be surprised if we don't have at least a couple of vets next year.

[baseline bum]

Im going Topic. Shephard has a more definite floor, but Topic has a much higher ceiling imo. I'd bet on the ceiling, but in this draft, I wouldn't criticize someone who'd rather bet on the higher floor.

Topic pulling a Wiseman to protect his draft stock makes me wonder if he gives a shit enough about winning to fit in next to Victor, almost like a Wiggins / Butler situation.

[The Truth #6]

Looks like the commissioner is making some solid choices, which is always good to see.

[Pauleta14]

You will then be complaining about his lack of skills like shooting or passing to help Vic a bit, tbh. :lol

:lol

The thing is the skilled players have physical/body type limitations and the right body types have less skills.

You can’t teach height or wingspan but you can teach the rest.

It’s a weak draft and whoever we pick will be a long term development. I’m just playing the odds bc Cody has THE body type of modern NBA players

I could be wrong, there’s just no other profile I fancy (I like Risacher but his slump and atheticism be doubt. He’s my 2nd choice tho)

[stnick2261]

Hopefully Topic plays in tomorrow's game. Not sure what time they play.

[stnick2261]

Taking 2 PG prospects would be the totally wrong move. There is no PG prospect available that will move the needle in the next 3 years. I am good with drafting someone that the Spurs feel can be the PG of the future, but that person likely spends next season in Austin and then is primarily 3 string PG in year 2, maybe some back up PG. It is generally accepted that PG is the most difficult position to learn in the NBA. I would draft one PG and sign your starting PG and let the draft pick learn like DJ and White did. The second pick needs to be a wing or possibly a PF. They, too, likely are back ups in year one as well, but maybe not in Austin. We are all looking to take the next step with 2 lottery picks, but I think it is much more likely the next significant needle mover is through a trade or FA signing.


The reasons I disagree are these:

1. The best players at the top and mid-point of the lottery are guards
2. I don't agree that either of these players will be in Austin next year. They're not as raw as Wesley was.
3. In position-less basketball, especially around Wembanyama, having guards doesn't matter as much. The Knicks play three guards sometimes, very well
4. Team needs on-ball perimeter scoring and on-ball defense and these players will give them to you

If the Toronto pick conveys, I'm not taking a PF simply because I need one. Or even a wing, because I don't think those are good players. If the best player is still a guard, then that's still a valued need and I take one if that's my best pick. It helps to not think in terms of nebulous supposedys: your PF choice is Filipowski. Your SF choice is Ron Holland. In those cases, taking Castle is not unreasonable.

There are so many outcomes that I would be absolutely fine happening. I would prefer Topic in the 1st Rd and Tyler Kolek in the 2nd (even though it looks like he's moving up now)... but I honestly wouldn't even be upset with drafting 3 PGs. I'd also be happy drafting 2 wing players in the 1st as long as we were able to pick up Kolek in the 2nd to tide us over until our PG of the future was available.

Our roster of the future is not going to be finished by the end of this year's draft day.This whole year was just testing to see what upgrades we needed and it turns out that it's a lot.

[Knoxxx]

I’d like to add these 4:

Buzelis
Sheppard
Dillingham
Edey

I’m greedy and want all 4, so we need to trade for a pick early and maybe up from 33 to get Edey.

[stnick2261]

I’d like to add these 4:

Buzelis
Sheppard
Dillingham
Edey

I’m greedy and want all 4, so we need to trade for a pick early and maybe up from 33 to get Edey.

I like each of those names. The good thing about a weak draft is that it may be easier to move up or add a pick if we wanted. Also, the good thing about having so many draft picks is that we can try out a lot of rookies and just get rid of the ones that don't pan out.

[spurraider21]

dont care for Edey at all

im very high on Dillingham

im ok with Sheppard with the raptors pick depending on where it falls and who else is still on the board

[TD 21]

I get that Risacher isn't some can't miss prospect, but he's a good theoretical fit and a difficult one to find.

If, as they most likely will be, are within' 1-2 spots of him, they shouldn't hesitate to add other draft capital (+ Johnson? Pistons with Fournier and Hornets with Bertans, both have big partial/team option expiring's and a need at forward) to get him.

This off season should be all about targeting specifics and making sure to get them. Not the usual overly conservative routine.

[Knoxxx]

I’m looking at Edey as a situational big that can instead of having Wemby pushed around by some of the beefier centers we put him in to do our own hatchet job on them and imagine the rim protection. I am aware he’s too slow and doesn’t shoot the 3 ball, but then again the players we’d like him to hatchet aren’t likely speedsters either and he can work on the 3 ball. No Im not exactly envisioning twin towers II this more about building a complete roster with the right mix of situational and role players.

[spurraider21]

I get that Risacher isn't some can't miss prospect, but he's a good theoretical fit and a difficult one to find.

If, as they most likely will be, are within' 1-2 spots of him, they shouldn't hesitate to add other draft capital (+ Johnson? Pistons with Fournier and Hornets with Bertans, both have big partial/team option expiring's and a need at forward) to get him.

This off season should be all about targeting specifics and making sure to get them. Not the usual overly conservative routine.
if anything risacher's late season slump increases the odds we can land him without getting the top pick, so im ok with it

[exstatic]

Word is that Williams is still playing on a bum ankle. To be honest, I couldn't tell. He seems to be moving fine. But then his production really did drop off from earlier in the season.

My fear, along with Risacher, is that they are not actually great shooters and only went on heaters and have fallen to earth. One reason I've been focusing more on guards. But Cody can bounce back with workouts and combine, etc.
Risacher’s samplesize is much larger, so he’s more likely to be a shooter.

[Dejounte]

I get that Risacher isn't some can't miss prospect, but he's a good theoretical fit and a difficult one to find.

If, as they most likely will be, are within' 1-2 spots of him, they shouldn't hesitate to add other draft capital (+ Johnson? Pistons with Fournier and Hornets with Bertans, both have big partial/team option expiring's and a need at forward) to get him.

This off season should be all about targeting specifics and making sure to get them. Not the usual overly conservative routine.

This “theoretical fit” will add to an already long list of Spurs’ busts that people will complain about after he shows us for 40 games or so of being a complete nonfactor in-game. I don’t know why people are jumping just to reach that reality.

[spurraider21]

shooting has always been my single favorite nba trait. my favorite non-spur players have always been the great shooters. loved dirk, allen, nash in the 2000s. dirk's fallaway jumper is one of the best NBA aesthetics tbh. and my early adoration for curry is well known on this board. and while i hate to admit it because of the association with the poster formerly known as derp, i was a fan of jimmer at BYU and early in his nba career.

so... i could talk myself into really liking a sheppard pick, and we've seen PG's without explosive footspeed be good at the nba level, especially when they are great shooters. but you are counting on sheppard being that kind of outlier for him to work out as an NBA point guard. its also just a bit unknown since kentucky didnt give him too much primary handling duty. but thats also sometimes been a blessing since you can get these buried kentucky guards at value

[TD 21]

This “theoretical fit” will add to an already long list of Spurs’ busts that people will complain about after he shows us for 40 games or so of being a complete nonfactor in-game. I don’t know why people are jumping just to reach that reality.

Maybe the idiots who don't know the game (he's not a freak athlete and is highly unlikely to be much of a counting stats type) or have an agenda to begin with because they didn't want him for whatever reason(s).

He stands a good chance, at least relative to his draft class, of being a two-way positive impact player.

[DAF86]

Sheppard and Dillingham about to play in the tourney.

[DAF86]

Risacher is a 6'10" 40% 3pt shooter. Even if that's all he does, he would be useful.

[Biggems]

Longhorn homer here......stay the hell away from any Longhorn entering this draft, they are not even G-League worthy.

One player I find intriguing is N'Faly Dante of Oregon. He is very raw offensively, but he is a legit threat on defense. His offense is pretty much confined to the paint. He doesn't shoot 3s and he is a 60% FT shooter.

I think he could be a solid backup to Wemby. Our D turns to shit when Wemby sits down. With Dante, our D would have a chance to remain solid, at least in the paint.

I am not really worried about his lack of offense as a rookie. We should have enough players to put up some points.

the great news is he will likely go undrafted. the bad news is, someone can swoop in and sign him before we do. I would like to make a late 2nd round trade to acquire him for a future 2nd round pick.

[spurraider21]

Risacher is a 6'10" 40% 3pt shooter. Even if that's all he does, he would be useful.
not sure about his height. he was 6'9.5 in shoes at the hoops summit about a year ago. granted his 18 and could still be growing, but shoes usually add between 1-2 inches on measurements, and a lot of the draft websites say he is 6'9 and some even say like 6'8.5

but nevertheless he has good size for the position, a quick release on catch and shoot situations (and can shoot some on the move), and is a reasonable ballhandler who can push in transition situations. he also plays defense from what all the scouting folks say. i like him for sure

[Biggems]

I was disappointed in what I saw of Cody Williams. I don't care about missed shots. Some nights the ball won't fall. I do care about lack of hustle. On offense, he found a spot and just camped out, possession after possession. There was no motion or movement. It would have been nice to see some off ball movement, some screen setting or whatever. A few of his teammates were setting screens and moving around.

For a potential top 5 pick, he leaves a lot to be desired.

[CGD]

Ouch.

Not surprised honestly. Setting aside the shit product, the Supreme Court NIL case changes the earnings calculus for many of these players.

[heyheymymy]

Sheppard and Dillingham about to play in the tourney.

Lol this shooter for Oakland going hot from 3

[heyheymymy]

Gohlke has 15

Kentucky has 17

[TekXX]

Sheppard go ahead and shoot, not shooting isn't going to help.

[Russ]

Dillingham hopefully

Dillingham plays like a somewhat bigger Spud Webb.

[Mr. Body]

All those 5-stars for Kentucky and no one can guard the guy who looks like your mom's latest creepy boyfriend.

[heyheymymy]

Gohlke 7/13 from 3

[Maddog]

Hmm
Sheppard

he looks really small and not overly impressive

[Mr. Body]

Kentucky in some trouble here. You'd expect Gohlke to cool down but they're so poor defensively. Meanwhile, Oakland's defense is causing them problems so they can't get the ball rolling. Problem with so many freshmen. In the end, they only have one player who can possibly save things on that end and it's the same one nearly the entire season.

[Biggems]

Texas and CSU are putting on an absolute clinic on how not to play offense.

[sfernald]

If it’s between Dillingham and Sheppard, draft Reeves.

[thOOdee]

Was thinking the exact same thing… man this draft is looking dim ��

[baseline bum]

Dillingham plays like a somewhat bigger Spud Webb.

Would be the second best player on the team then, sign me up

[spurraider21]

if a slow end to risacher's season and a disappointing dillingham tourney means we could land both in the draft, im down

[baseline bum]

im ok with Sheppard with the raptors pick depending on where it falls and who else is still on the board

Maybe his Cody Williams esque performance tonight drops him to #7

[heyheymymy]

It just sucks because Spurs need a ready on day one guy to contribute immediately and the only value in this draft is raw potential that slides due to unrefined current performances but could blossom late with time and cultivation

[sfernald]

It just sucks because Spurs need a ready on day one guy to contribute immediately and the only value in this draft is raw potential that slides due to unrefined current performances but could blossom late with time and cultivation

They should just buy a lottery ticket. Better chance than this draft.

[spurraider21]

It just sucks because Spurs need a ready on day one guy to contribute immediately and the only value in this draft is raw potential that slides due to unrefined current performances but could blossom late with time and cultivation
yeah, in a 1-and-done era, day 1 contributors are hard enough to find, let alone in this shit class. knecht probably screams pro ready. if his wingspan checks out and he's able to put on a little more weight he may be able to play as a 3 (dimensions could be quite similar to keldon)

[heyheymymy]

Lol Gohkle just the 5th player all time with 10+ 3PM in a NCAA tournament game

[DAF86]

Sheppard playing poorly but that stroke still looks picture perfect.

[heyheymymy]

Yeah spur raider Knecht plays coming up next tonight. Does seem like the type of shooter that tends to translate

[baseline bum]

Lol Gohkle just the 5th player all time with 10+ 3PM in a NCAA tournament game

Sounds like Dilly and Sheppard would fit in perfectly with our defense then

[heyheymymy]

Lol jesus the Gohlke parents in the stands just crying what a night

[heyheymymy]

Sounds like Dilly and Sheppard would fit in perfectly with our defense then

Bro I'm getting phantoms from UK allowing all these triples like a Vietnam flashback lol

[BatManu20]

Dillingham sucking ass tonight tbh. He’s shooting Kentucky out of the game. 1/9 currently.

[spurraider21]

Yeah spur raider Knecht plays coming up next tonight. Does seem like the type of shooter that tends to translate
hes also got solid straight line athleticism, though not a crazy first step

[spurraider21]

dilly with the manu-esque one handed laser pass

then b2b possessions where he penetrates at will but choked on awkward looking shot attempts

[heyheymymy]

Gotta figure UK pulls it off but the Wildcats are panicking out there and def smells like an upset

[BatManu20]

Dillingham sucking ass tonight tbh. He’s shooting Kentucky out of the game. 1/9 currently.

Make that 1/10.

[baseline bum]

dilly with the manu-esque one handed laser pass

I missed it; did it go to LeBron or something?

[BatManu20]

There’s Dilly right on cue. Big 3.

Damn, Oakland with a huge 3 in response to put them up 4. Wild game.

[spurraider21]

I missed it; did it go to LeBron or something?
whoever that was in the corner. reeves i think

[heyheymymy]

Real Deal Dilly what a shot

But Oak answers with a 3 or their own

Damn like :28 left, Oak up 4

[heyheymymy]

What a thriller finish

Most games had been blowouts today

[heyheymymy]

Lol Calpari "we'll be fine" first half interview

[BatManu20]

Down goes Kentucky. Huge upset. There’s no way there’s any brackets still alive after this. There were less than 2% still going during halftime of this game lol.

[onechance87]

damn dilly and sheppard looked bad

[heyheymymy]

Almost felt all season like Kentucky somehow had too much talent.

Like a logjam of touches and it becomes a saturated ecosystem with too many mouths to feed and the whole thing collapsed.

Cut any 2 big names from UK and there's room to breathe and get guys established. Players need a niche carved out for themselves to operate and can't tolerate much infringement on their sphere.

It's like over stuffing a wood burning fireplace and the fire snuffs itself out

[KobesAchilles]

Still want Dilly tbh. I want no part of Sheppard though.

[DAF86]

damn dilly and sheppard looked bad

Might be a blessing in disguise as long as PATFO don't overreact to a one game sample size.

[DAF86]

I had forgotten just how shitty March Madness basketball is. Just some of the lowest type of "entertainment" in the World, right besides baseball, tbh.

[Robz4000]

:lol please trade your picks Spurs

[BatManu20]

Kentucky got cooked by a guy who looks like a used car salesman. Jack Gohlke’s only the 5th player to ever hit 10+ 3’s in an NCAA tourney game. Wild.

[heyheymymy]

Lol first time Oakland advances to 2nd round in school history

[DAF86]

I had forgotten just how shitty March Madness basketball is. Just some of the lowest type of "entertainment" in the World, right besides baseball, tbh.

And this was supossed to be a good game.

[spurraider21]

dillingham falling down draft boards

https://media.tenor.com/ye4yv3SZBykAAAAM/good-family-guy.gif

[Mr. Body]

Man, it's awesome to see Kentucky crap out again so early. I hate that program. I hate Calipari. Just need a Duke and Carolina faceplant next.

[Mr. Body]

A veteran team beats all frosh. Reeves had a good game, but has to be activated by others.

Sheppard. I found it embarrassing KOC and others shot him to the top of his draft board after a single game a few weeks ago.

Dillingham wasn't good, either. He was the only thing the Wildcats had to get any offensive activity going whatsoever. Sheppard sure as shit can't do it. No one else can.

Nothing really changes after a single game. Brandon Miller had possibly the worst March Madness of any top echelon pick in memory. He was like 3-33 across three games. But this did solidify thoughts about these players. I'm not interested in Sheppard. I really am not. Dillingham still has his high value in this draft. I can't ding him for being ineffective as a freshman in this game. I saw enough throughout the year to see a real issue on defense due to size but a lot of things that could work in the NBA.

Goddamn was Kentucky unimpressive and unable to adjust to anything. Onto next year when Calipari hoovers up another six five-star players and wastes most of them.

[TheGreatYacht]

Trade the picks for Trae, man lol. This class is atrocious

[TheGreatYacht]

Reed was absolute dog shit and that disgustingly bad lob pass might have secured him a roster spot on Brian Wrong’s team unfortunately

Rob with the costly terrible off ball defending leaving the corner wide open for the dagger. Another way to get yourself drafted by our GM

Both tried their hardest to look bad enough to secure the top spot of our draft board. Topic might have them beat though with his shot knees, 2 terrible euro games, traffic cone effort on defense, and 3p shooting that makes Sochan look like 2016 Steph

[spurraider21]

Reed was absolute dog shit and that disgustingly bad lob pass might have secured him a roster spot on Brian Wrong’s team unfortunately

Rob with the costly terrible off ball defending leaving the corner wide open for the dagger. Another way to get yourself drafted by our GM

Both tried their hardest to look bad enough to secure the top spot of our draft board. Topic might have them beat though with his shot knees, 2 terrible euro games, traffic cone effort on defense, and 3p shooting that makes Sochan look like 2016 Steph
:lol tbh

[onechance87]

Reed was absolute dog shit and that disgustingly bad lob pass might have secured him a roster spot on Brian Wrong’s team unfortunately

Rob with the costly terrible off ball defending leaving the corner wide open for the dagger. Another way to get yourself drafted by our GM

Both tried their hardest to look bad enough to secure the top spot of our draft board. Topic might have them beat though with his shot knees, 2 terrible euro games, traffic cone effort on defense, and 3p shooting that makes Sochan look like 2016 Steph

lol

[objective]

Reed was absolute dog shit and that disgustingly bad lob pass might have secured him a roster spot on Brian Wrong’s team unfortunately

Rob with the costly terrible off ball defending leaving the corner wide open for the dagger. Another way to get yourself drafted by our GM

Both tried their hardest to look bad enough to secure the top spot of our draft board. Topic might have them beat though with his shot knees, 2 terrible euro games, traffic cone effort on defense, and 3p shooting that makes Sochan look like 2016 Steph

Are you really being fair with Topic?

What about the possibility that he's quitting on his team like Samanic? That isn't even on your list!

[Mr. Body]

Dillingham coming off his guys on helps. Not overly defending the guy, but these have been his coaches the last three years:

- Kanye West, at Donda Academy
- OverTime Elite. I assume they might have coaches
- John Calipari

[sfernald]

Best prospect in March Madness I’ve seen so far has been Dunn. Damn Virginia can’t score AT ALL but this kid dominates on defense. At least that’s a definite transferable skill to the nba. Unfortunately he would probably make Sochan look like Steph Curry (Deja vu?) so we will definitely draft him.

[itzsoweezee]

I had forgotten just how shitty March Madness basketball is. Just some of the lowest type of "entertainment" in the World, right besides baseball, tbh.

College basketball is terrible. I don’t understand how people regularly watch these games. And the people who say college basketball is better than the nba are just the dumbest people on earth

[TheGreatYacht]

Are you really being fair with Topic?

What about the possibility that he's quitting on his team like Samanic? That isn't even on your list!
:lol

[freetiago]

Rooting for Toronto to keep losing tbh

[tonight...you]

Bro I'm getting phantoms from UK allowing all these triples like a Vietnam flashback lol
Saigon, you're still in Saigon... Shit.
Just stare into the ceiling fan blades before the MP's throw you into the cold shower.

[CGD]

^ good, could we know de-hype these UK prospects?? Any other draft they’re being selected 17-24.

[Mr. Body]

^ good, could we know de-hype these UK prospects?? Any other draft they’re being selected 17-24.

Sheppard would, Dillingham would still go lottery.

[Seventyniner]

I had forgotten just how shitty March Madness basketball is. Just some of the lowest type of "entertainment" in the World, right besides baseball, tbh.

The entertainment isn't the basketball, it's the gambling.

[Mr. Body]

I still like Furphy for Kansas, although it feels he still needs another year for development. The skills aren't quite there, like self-creation, but he hustles, gets a good number of rebounds from relentless movement and activity, just ran a fastbreak where he handled his body for a pass that could have easily been a charge - and made a smart read. Not quite the shooter Gradey Dick was last year, but good there. His defensive stats are surprisingly good, like 3.3 DPBM.

He and Kyshawn George are wings who could float into lottery range or late teens. I'd rather take them there than be forced to pick at 8 in this draft. Not sure how you'd get there, though.

[baseline bum]

College basketball is terrible. I don’t understand how people regularly watch these games. And the people who say college basketball is better than the nba are just the dumbest people on earth

RDCWorld shitting on the NCAA tourney :lol


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQF2g-5vKkI

[Chinook]

In my view, the tourney can only help a player's stock. These are kids -- it's fine for them to have a bad game. Especially for a team like the Spurs who aren't looking for a franchise player, they don't need to be able to come in and carry the team. A player who plays consistently well in a playoff setting should get more looks, but if they thought a player was a good prospect before, losing one game won't change that. The Spurs shouldn't be looking for Wemby's 2024-2025 co-star in the draft. As much as it bothers ESPN and some fans, the team isn't at that point yet. Whomever the Spurs draft should absolutely be expected to be fourth, fifth, sixth or even lower on the list of best players on the team coming in.

There are a number of posters who'd gladly trade the Spurs' pick and maybe even the Raptors pick for Coulibaly, and dude would've graded out as one of the five worst players on the team this year by a wide margin. Are those posters crazy? I think they're wrong, but I don't think it's unreasonable to still believe in a guy with tools who didn't put it together immediately. Whomever the Spurs draft should get the same benefit of the doubt. That goes even more when you look at guys like Miller and Amen who started off getting shit on on this forum but have had great rookie seasons. The Spurs could draft "the right guys" and have it easily look like the guys are unexciting or too raw to help immediately. That's okay, because Wemby is also there. I don't want to repeat myself, so I won't get too into that in this thread. But the important thing is that the Spurs in a position to be patient with their picks. If they want some more actualized players on the team (and they should), they have ways of getting those guys, but their long-term success is still going to be aided by them taking the time to draft and develop prospects while they still have the high picks to do so.

[scott]

Just draft this Defensive Tackle from NC State. He’d at least be a fan favorite.

[Mr. Body]

In my view, the tourney can only help a player's stock. These are kids -- it's fine for them to have a bad game.

:tu

[Mr. Body]

Not sure why I wouldn't want Johnny Furphy at #21 rather than Risacher at #2.

[MultiTroll]

Just draft this Defensive Tackle from NC State. He’d at least be a fan favorite.
Dejuan Blair - Dave Cowens mixture.

[spurraider21]

Not sure why I wouldn't want Johnny Furphy at #21 rather than Risacher at #2.
really think you gotta take rookie scale contract panic out of your repertoire tbh

[$pursDynasty]

Question Toronto pick is top 6 protected so if their pick is top 6 what happens? Does it move to the next year and each following year until it isn't top 6?

[Mr. Body]

really think you gotta take rookie scale contract panic out of your repertoire tbh

Lol, no.

And why is Risacher even ranked better than Furphy anyway? He does nearly everything better.

[Ignazzz]

Dillingham coming off his guys on helps. Not overly defending the guy, but these have been his coaches the last three years:

- Kanye West, at Donda Academy
- OverTime Elite. I assume they might have coaches
- John Calipari

- 100 years old Pop

[rankingtear]

I wouldn't rule out Salaun , history tells us there are several french prospects that would hit big out of this batch. This is Tony's generation of prospect.

[exstatic]

Question Toronto pick is top 6 protected so if their pick is top 6 what happens? Does it move to the next year and each following year until it isn't top 6?

For two additional years, then it becomes seconds.

[JPB]

Not sure why I wouldn't want Johnny Furphy at #21 rather than Risacher at #2.

Because you love 3rd stringers and borderline NBA players.

[duncan2150]

Imo the physical thing is too much to avoid about dillingham and even sheppard. They are small and not explosive, i still think they'll be good role players but i don't see too much upside or star upside like some here notably for dillingham.

Castle or Collier could be in the mix to be taken before them.

[Dejounte]

Imo the physical thing is too much to avoid about dillingham and even sheppard. They are small and not explosive, i still think they'll be good role players but i don't see too much upside or star upside like some here notably for dillingham.

Castle or Collier could be in the mix to be taken before them.

Dilly was being bumped off position by a no-name guard and that guard wasn’t even that big.

[Mr. Body]

Because you love 3rd stringers and borderline NBA players.

Brother, why we think Risacher so good?

:rollin

[exstatic]

Imo the physical thing is too much to avoid about dillingham and even sheppard. They are small and not explosive, i still think they'll be good role players but i don't see too much upside or star upside like some here notably for dillingham.

Castle or Collier could be in the mix to be taken before them.

Collier has fewer skills than either of the UK guys. He can’t pass or shoot well, really only being able to bull his way to the rim, and there are questions about if he’ll be able to pull that off at the next level at his size. His defense is also as bad as theirs.

I like Castle. He’s toolsy and smart, and plays in a pro style motion offense at UCONN.

[Bruno]

Spurs could become the best defensive team in the league because of Wembanyama. Sheppard and Dillingham are defensive liabilities and won't allow that. Opponents offensive game-plan will go from being an headache to "Let's just do the obvious and attack Dilingham/Sheppard".

Spurs should only consider adding a defensive liability if it's an amazing talent that can compensate on the other end. For example, I think Trae Young is good enough to take that trade-off. Dillingham/Sheppard seem to be nowhere near good enough prospects to justify that defensive sacrifice.

[rascal]

Both Kentucky guards are overrated.

No shows in their first NCAA tournament game and out.

[CGD]

Dilly was being bumped off position by a no-name guard and that guard wasn’t even that big.

Well the ESPN piece posted right before the game on "The Case of Taking Dillingham No. 1" piece didnt age well. . .

Because we LOVE swinging between extremes, now I'm waiting for all the "Are we sure Dillingham isn't just TyTy Washington 2.0?" takes.

[CGD]

Spurs could become the best defensive team in the league because of Wembanyama. Sheppard and Dillingham are defensive liabilities and won't allow that. Opponents offensive game-plan will go from being an headache to "Let's just do the obvious and attack Dilingham/Sheppard".

Spurs should only consider adding a defensive liability if it's an amazing talent that can compensate on the other end. For example, I think Trae Young is good enough to take that trade-off. Dillingham/Sheppard seem to be nowhere near good enough prospects to justify that defensive sacrifice.

Right on -- there are player types you draft for, and player types for trade for. The undersized SG with deep defensive limitations + moderate playmaking skill is the latter. If they turn out to be truly special, like maybe a Trae Young, then we can happily debate how many real assets they're worth in a trade.

[CGD]

Brother, why we think Risacher so good?

:rollin

Yeah, I'm curious too. If the shooting is real (is it?) then i can see the case. Otherwise, I'm unclear why we wouldn't take Matas over him and work to fix his shot. At least that guy plays with some FU in him, whereas the reviews on Risacher seem to suggest that he's a bit passive?

[Seventyniner]

Just draft this Defensive Tackle from NC State. He’d at least be a fan favorite.

He would hip check Nash into the upper deck.

[Dejounte]

Yeah, I'm curious too. If the shooting is real (is it?) then i can see the case. Otherwise, I'm unclear why we wouldn't take Matas over him and work to fix his shot. At least that guy plays with some FU in him, whereas the reviews on Risacher seem to suggest that he's a bit passive?

He averaged just four three point attempts a game. That’s one more attempt than Sochan. He made them at a decent rate but by no means is he a proven volume shooter. Perhaps he is, but again, doesn’t appear to provide much value anywhere else. He’s SiX TeN THoUgH excuses aren’t enough. There are plenty of 6’10” stiffs in the league.

[duncan2150]

Collier has fewer skills than either of the UK guys. He can’t pass or shoot well, really only being able to bull his way to the rim, and there are questions about if he’ll be able to pull that off at the next level at his size. His defense is also as bad as theirs.

I like Castle. He’s toolsy and smart, and plays in a pro style motion offense at UCONN.

Overall i agree with you except for the passing about collier, imo he's a good passer and could have more assists if he was in a good team and with better shooters.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs could become the best defensive team in the league because of Wembanyama. Sheppard and Dillingham are defensive liabilities and won't allow that. Opponents offensive game-plan will go from being an headache to "Let's just do the obvious and attack Dilingham/Sheppard".

Spurs should only consider adding a defensive liability if it's an amazing talent that can compensate on the other end. For example, I think Trae Young is good enough to take that trade-off. Dillingham/Sheppard seem to be nowhere near good enough prospects to justify that defensive sacrifice.

This is why I think Castle is going to be a prospect they'll key in on.

[exstatic]

Overall i agree with you except for the passing about collier, imo he's a good passer and could have more assists if he was in a good team and with better shooters.

His assists are low, but his TOs are also really high. He’s a fucking scatter gun.

[Mr. Body]

Well the ESPN piece posted right before the game on "The Case of Taking Dillingham No. 1" piece didnt age well. . .

Because we LOVE swinging between extremes, now I'm waiting for all the "Are we sure Dillingham isn't just TyTy Washington 2.0?" takes.

People really need to stop overreacting after one game. That's Kevin O'Connor territory. I get that he gets paid for his crap, but that's his great fortune.

Nothing last night changed my opinion about Dillingham (or Sheppard). The problems are still there, the possibilities are still there. He's still one of the most talented guys in the draft. That that as you will. He was still consistently the only player who could get anything going when Kentucky bogged down. It just didn't work last night.

He hit an incredibly difficult three to take it down to a point (I believe) showing, once again, some clutch ability, then I don't think he even saw the ball again. The next possession was Sheppard walking the ball up the court and launching a super-contested three from deep that had no chance.

A lot of this, I do say, is just awful coaching. The other thing I'll say is that Dillingham was tasked with trying to stay with Gohlke. Chasing around a top shooter isn't what he normally does. He fucked up several times by helping off, and that's his fault. But, again, coaching. But he did a better job sticking with him than anyone else on the team. And, I might suggest, running around so much on defense might have tired him out. However, he was, again, the only player capable of setting up his teammates.

[Mr. Body]

If you've watched Collier play, he can land some really nice passes, but completely blows a lot of them. Basic lobs and skip passes. Kind of impressive the kinds of passes he blows, tbh.

[DAF86]

He averaged just four three point attempts a game. That’s one more attempt than Sochan. He made them at a decent rate but by no means is he a proven volume shooter. Perhaps he is, but again, doesn’t appear to provide much value anywhere else. He’s SiX TeN THoUgH excuses aren’t enough. There are plenty of 6’10” stiffs in the league.

4 3pts attempt on Europe translates to 5 or 6 on the NBA. Risacher can definitely shoot, the other aspects of his game are the question marks.

[Chinook]

Spurs could become the best defensive team in the league because of Wembanyama. Sheppard and Dillingham are defensive liabilities and won't allow that. Opponents offensive game-plan will go from being an headache to "Let's just do the obvious and attack Dilingham/Sheppard".

Spurs should only consider adding a defensive liability if it's an amazing talent that can compensate on the other end. For example, I think Trae Young is good enough to take that trade-off. Dillingham/Sheppard seem to be nowhere near good enough prospects to justify that defensive sacrifice.

The Spurs can become the best team in the league, and that's not a bad goal. But is that what they want to do during these transition years? It's okay to draft liabilities if they're BPA, because you can use them as capital to trade later on. The Spurs are not close to contending; they don't have to think the guys on their roster now need to be be parts of that future. Moreover, if the Spurs for some reason think they could make a Young-like liability work and that Dillingham is a similar liability, getting him still allows the team to grow around that limitation during a stretch where Young's unlikely to be moved and the Spurs don't particularly need him. Folks know I'm not married to any of the players in this draft, but there are very few flaws any of the prospects can have that would override them being BPA. The team is just too amorphous and in need to talent to worry about such things.

[spurraider21]

Lol, no.

And why is Risacher even ranked better than Furphy anyway? He does nearly everything better.
his rebounding numbers are better (and he averages like 5, so its not like its his calling card or anyting). otherwise i dont think theres a single area Furphy is better

they're pretty comparable as shooters. both have good height. risacher looks like he'll have a better wingspan. risacher looks like a way more sudden athlete, way better at changing direction. he defends smaller players on switches and holds up. rissacher looks like he will wind up a plus defender in the NBA, whereas with furphy you are hoping he is neutral at best

while neither is really given playmaking duties, there are more examples ive seen of risacher handling the ball and making something happen than furphy

give me comparable shooters, but one is a better athlete, better defender, and shows more ballhandling chops, and ill explain why one is a legit lotto pick and the other might scratch into late lotto

risacher doesnt give #1 overall pick vibes but tbh nobody in this class does so he's kind of just there by default. im not letting rookie scale salaries influence my draft decisions though

[Mr. Body]

his rebounding numbers are better (and he averages like 5, so its not like its his calling card or anyting). otherwise i dont think theres a single area Furphy is better

they're pretty comparable as shooters. both have good height. risacher looks like he'll have a better wingspan. risacher looks like a way more sudden athlete, way better at changing direction. he defends smaller players on switches and holds up. rissacher looks like he will wind up a plus defender in the NBA, whereas with furphy you are hoping he is neutral at best

while neither is really given playmaking duties, there are more examples ive seen of risacher handling the ball and making something happen than furphy

give me comparable shooters, but one is a better athlete, better defender, and shows more ballhandling chops, and ill explain why one is a legit lotto pick and the other might scratch into late lotto

risacher doesnt give #1 overall pick vibes but tbh nobody in this class does so he's kind of just there by default. im not letting rookie scale salaries influence my draft decisions though

Nope, Furphy is a far better rebounder. He's a better athlete, too.

I don't believe in Risacher's shooting. It's starting to tumble over the last 9 games and his free throw shooting is worse.

Anyway, I really should have gotten on you for just basic lack of literacy:

The point is taking Risacher so high is just wildly overvaluing him. The argument isn't that Furphy is necessarily better, but that one player is incredibly overranked. I'll state it again so you'll understand: I'd rather take Furphy at 21 than Risacher at 2.

Get what I'm saying? You may disagree, but actually understand what I'm saying.

[Mr. Body]

Kind of funny - some energy drink features Collier in their 'March doesn't begin in March' ad campaign, it's running during these games, and he wasn't even close to making the tournament.

[spurraider21]

Nope, Furphy is a far better rebounder. He's a better athlete, too.

I don't believe in Risacher's shooting. It's starting to tumble over the last 9 games and his free throw shooting is worse.

Anyway, I really should have gotten on you for just basic lack of literacy:

The point is taking Risacher so high is just wildly overvaluing him. The argument isn't that Furphy is necessarily better, but that one player is incredibly overranked. I'll state it again so you'll understand: I'd rather take Furphy at 21 than Risacher at 2.

Get what I'm saying? You may disagree, but actually understand what I'm saying.
i understand what you are saying

id rather take risacher at 2 than furphy at 21

i dont think furphy is a better athlete. maybe he will have a slightly higher max vert leap at the combine by like an inch or two, that wouldnt necessarily shock me. but risacher looks way quicker when changing directions, both offensively and defensively. and he's a more comfortable ballhandler who puts on moves in transition in ways that furphy doesnt really attempt. neither pass much given their roles but you will see some good examples of risacher making relatively high level passes somewhat naturally.

you may lack some confidence in risacher's shooting, but furphy is at 35.6% so its not exactly like he tears the leather off the ball. i wrote off their shooting as comparable even though risacher has been better because theres some margin of error given different leagues, sample sizes, etc. when you combine eurocup with league play, risacher has shot 45% from 3 on 130 attempts while furphy has shot 35.6% on 118 attempts

no doubt the FTs are a concern for risacher... he's at 71% on the year when combining league and cup play. but again, furphy is at 76% so the difference isnt astronomical. again, im calling their shooting a wash for the sake of argument. for whatever value you assign to it, tankathon's projected nba 3pt% has them at 35.9 and 36.1

imo, risacher is better basically everywhere else

im not a pro scout. i havent watched dozens of hours of these guys, but thats my impression from what ive seen and what scouting reports from people more knowledgeable than i seem to conclude

[The Truth #6]

I agree with Mr. Body on this one. From an asset management point of view, the production you're going to get from Risacher is probably not worth it compared to drafting Furphy at 21. Yes, Risacher is likely better but In this crappy draft, three second round picks might get you the number 21 pick, but you would have to give a lot to get near the top three in any draft. Is that worth it?

Also, whoever is drafted number one is not going to be a typical number one player, and with that they're going to have even more pressure on them. Risacher at 1 has a greater pressure to bust. Same with Sarr. Same with Topic. So to me it's sort of a double whammy: drafting a player in the top three who shouldn't normally be in that range, and then the extra pressure of getting picked that highly just creates more demands for them to be better than they are.

[baseline bum]

I agree with Mr. Body on this one. From an asset management point of view, the production you're going to get from Risacher is probably not worth it compared to drafting Furphy at 21. Yes, Risacher is likely better but In this crappy draft, three second round picks might get you the number 21 pick, but you would have to give a lot to get near the top three in any draft. Is that worth it?

Also, whoever is drafted number one is not going to be a typical number one player, and with that they're going to have even more pressure on them. Risacher at 1 has a greater pressure to bust. Same with Sarr. Same with Topic. So to me it's sort of a double whammy: drafting a player in the top three who shouldn't normally be in that range, and then the extra pressure of getting picked that highly just creates more demands for them to be better than they are.

Whoever the Spurs draft isn't going to have pressure to turn the franchise around; that pressure is squarely on Victor's shoulders. No one expects Zacharie Risacher or Alex Sarr or Rob Dillingham to make the Spurs into a contender; everyone expects Victor to.

[scott]

Am I crazy in that I'd rather have Grady Dick than Risacher or Furphy?

[spurraider21]

Am I crazy in that I'd rather have Grady Dick than Risacher or Furphy?
id take dick over furphy

risacher has "good, versatile defender who can defend smalls" in his range of outcomes

[JPB]

So Furphy is the 2024 ST version of your supposedly underrated, pet pick :lol

I mean, who wants a top 2 pick when you can pick at 21?

Nevemind if only 40% of non lottery picks are still in the NBA 5 years to 10 years later vs. 75% of lottery ones. After all, we have a very thorough, totally complete and 100% accurate vision of what the career of these kids with zero NBA games will... Spurs can pass on a projected top 3 picks to grab a #21 projected pick instead. That's what any NBA team would do, who cares about risking being that team who passed on a future star to pick a 3 stringer.

I mean, who cares about all the Senguns of the word, when you can get Primos.

Keldon + a FRP to trade up from the second round to Furphy at #21.





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[The Truth #6]

So Furphy is the 2024 ST version of your supposedly underrated, pet pick :lol

I mean, who wants a top 2 pick when you can pick at 21?

Nevemind if only 40% of non lottery picks are still in the NBA 5 years to 10 years later vs. 75% of lottery ones. After all, we have a very thorough, totally complete and 100% accurate vision of what the career of these kids with zero NBA games will... Spurs can pass on a projected top 3 picks to grab a #21 projected pick instead. That's what any NBA team would do, who cares about risking being that team who passed on a future star to pick a 3 stringer.

I mean, who cares about all the Senguns of the word, when you can get Primos.





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That sounds like a severe exaggeration of what I was articulating, at least. If a number one pick in THIS draft is so valuable then I'd rather use it on a trade asset then draft Trey Murphy or Goran Dragic, so to speak. Especially if we get the Toronto pick to get a similarly talented player.

[JPB]

That sounds like a severe exaggeration of what I was articulating, at least. If a number one pick in THIS draft is so valuable then I'd rather use it on a trade asset then draft Trey Murphy or Goran Dragic, so to speak. Especially if we get the Toronto pick to get a similarly talented player.

Wasn't a shot at you, but rather THE usual suspect and his massively overrated pet picks he falls in love with in every draft.

Absolutely no one in the NBA passes on Risacher because there's Furphy in the 20s. Nobody believe they're even similar. Weak draft or not, which remains to be seen (last years was supposed to be great, behind Vic) There's a reason one is projected top 3, the other non lottery. That's not a 100% guarantee, but still enough that nobody is passing on Risacher, if they're interested, because of Furphy.

[Dejounte]

Whoever the Spurs draft isn't going to have pressure to turn the franchise around; that pressure is squarely on Victor's shoulders. No one expects Zacharie Risacher or Alex Sarr or Rob Dillingham to make the Spurs into a contender; everyone expects Victor to.

But you know there’s dudes on here thinking Risacher’s the next Paul George or something like that because he’ll he tagged with a #2 pick and that always comes with high expectations even though some here try to downplay it.

[JPB]

But you know there’s dudes on here thinking Risacher’s the next Paul George or something like that because he’ll he tagged with a #2 pick and that always comes with high expectations even though some here try to downplay it.

I haven't seen many people (anyone?) suggesting that.

[spurraider21]

kolek looking nice...

[spurraider21]

:lol

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[ginobilized]

:lol

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Tyler Kolek might be as good as Topic, I'd give him strong consideration as a late 1st and no-brainer 2nd round pick if I were the Spurs draft committee.
He might not have the athleticism for the NBA, but, he's got the brain and skills to be the best passer on this team from day 1.

[The Truth #6]

I haven't seen many people (anyone?) suggesting that.

I've definitely seen high expectations and severe frustration from many on this board. But I think the player will feel that pressure inherently, not from logging onto here.

[baseline bum]

Wasn't a shot at you, but rather THE usual suspect and his massively overrated pet picks he falls in love with in every draft.

Absolutely no one in the NBA passes on Risacher because there's Furphy in the 20s. Nobody believe they're even similar. Weak draft or not, which remains to be seen (last years was supposed to be great, behind Vic) There's a reason one is projected top 3, the other non lottery. That's not a 100% guarantee, but still enough that nobody is passing on Risacher, if they're interested, because of Furphy.

And it has been. Brandon Miller is having a huge season, Amen Thompson has been playing great lately and looks versatile as hell, Lively is way better than he looked at Duke, Jacquez is having a nice season in Miami, and Podziemski and George are quite a bit better than expected. Only big player in this class who isn't looking like he's panning out so far is Scoot.

[spurraider21]

Tyler Kolek might be as good as Topic, I'd give him strong consideration as a late 1st and no-brainer 2nd round pick if I were the Spurs draft committee.
He might not have the athleticism for the NBA, but, he's got the brain and skills to be the best passer on this team from day 1.
he's not as good a prospect as topic, but i like kolek quite a bit. he's basically my dream pick at the top of the 2nd round but i dont think he makes it that far

[Mugen]

And it has been. Brandon Miller is having a huge season, Amen Thompson has been playing great lately and looks versatile as hell, Lively is way better than he looked at Duke, Jacquez is having a nice season in Miami, and Podziemski and George are quite a bit better than expected. Only big player in this class who isn't looking like he's panning out so far is Scoot.

Not a"big" player but I didn't understand the Jett Howard pick for the Magic during and I still don't understand it now when Dick was still available.

Non-lottery but it's gotta sting Lakerfan to know that the next 3 picks after Hood-Schifino were Jaquez, Podz, and Whitmore :lol

[baseline bum]

Not a"big" player but I didn't understand the Jett Howard pick for the Magic during and I still don't understand it now when Dick was still available.

Non-lottery but it's gotta sting Lakerfan to know that the next 3 picks after Hood-Schifino were Jaquez, Podz, and Whitmore :lol

Though next to LeBron Jaquez, Podz, and Whitmore would just be standing around at the three point line every possession.

[spurraider21]

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[Mugen]

Though next to LeBron Jaquez, Podz, and Whitmore would just be standing around at the three point line every possession.

All 3 would be huge for them right now tbh, especially Podz.

[rascal]

Tyler Kolek might be as good as Topic, I'd give him strong consideration as a late 1st and no-brainer 2nd round pick if I were the Spurs draft committee.
He might not have the athleticism for the NBA, but, he's got the brain and skills to be the best passer on this team from day 1.

Let's stop targeting low athleticism white players.

[Pauleta14]

Spurs could become the best defensive team in the league because of Wembanyama. Sheppard and Dillingham are defensive liabilities and won't allow that. Opponents offensive game-plan will go from being an headache to "Let's just do the obvious and attack Dilingham/Sheppard".

Spurs should only consider adding a defensive liability if it's an amazing talent that can compensate on the other end. For example, I think Trae Young is good enough to take that trade-off. Dillingham/Sheppard seem to be nowhere near good enough prospects to justify that defensive sacrifice.

I agree but the problem could be the other way around too if he’s a great defender but a liability on offense like Sochan is. It’ll help out opponents on defense where they’ll double or triple team on Wemby.

Ideally PATFO gets rid of the pick in a trade for an elite guard

[Mr. Body]

So Furphy is the 2024 ST version of your supposedly underrated, pet pick :lol

I mean, who wants a top 2 pick when you can pick at 21?

Nevemind if only 40% of non lottery picks are still in the NBA 5 years to 10 years later vs. 75% of lottery ones. After all, we have a very thorough, totally complete and 100% accurate vision of what the career of these kids with zero NBA games will... Spurs can pass on a projected top 3 picks to grab a #21 projected pick instead. That's what any NBA team would do, who cares about risking being that team who passed on a future star to pick a 3 stringer.

I mean, who cares about all the Senguns of the word, when you can get Primos.

Keldon + a FRP to trade up from the second round to Furphy at #21.





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The fuck you talking about? There's a lot of brain damage in this post. I can't figure out what you're saying.

[Mr. Body]

Not a"big" player but I didn't understand the Jett Howard pick for the Magic during and I still don't understand it now when Dick was still available.

Non-lottery but it's gotta sting Lakerfan to know that the next 3 picks after Hood-Schifino were Jaquez, Podz, and Whitmore :lol

I legit think Orlando didn't want to draft Anthony Black and Gradey Dick together.

[Mr. Body]

The real problem going on here isn't about Furphy or any other player. It's that Risacher is just grossly, absurdly overrated on this thread. He's absolutely not the player a lot of these guys have boosted him to be. And it's gotten so panicky that people get really angry when this messianic exaggeration is even close to pricked with a pin. It's like a version of Trumpism. Risacherism.

[Mr. Body]

I guess I'd put it this way, to keep people from pissing themselves:

If Furphy was being posted as a top 3 pick in this draft and Risacher was hanging around the 20s, I'd say this:

"I would rather draft Risacher at #21 than Furphy at #2."

Does that stop the thumbsucking? Does a very basic concept become clearer to you? It should.

[objective]

If Furphy was an American with an unremarkable last name, I doubt he would get as much attention

He gets a lot of hype for an off ball 36-37% 3 point shooter who doesn't put up huge stock numbers

[Mr. Body]

If Furphy was an American with an unremarkable last name, I doubt he would get as much attention

He gets a lot of hype for an off ball 36-37% 3 point shooter who doesn't put up huge stock numbers

???

What kind of hype do you think he's getting? He's late teens early twenties at best in mocks.

(and Risacher gets the same stocks per 36???)