2024 NBA Draft Thread

[exstatic]

Theres zero chance SA is going to give ATL a pick back simply to move up from 4. Now, if ATL wants to trade pick 1 outright for one of their picks back? Ok. But not 4+ATL pick just to move up 3 spots. Dont care who is saying that, it’s not going to happen.

Only way ATL gets a pick(s) back from SA is if Trae or Murray are involved

They should never get even one of those picks/swaps back.

[Rosewood]

Atlanta is a nice city - definitely more attractive than a lot of NBA markets. I don't view ATL's future as that grim, but maybe Sarr does. But ATL is a bubble team with no incentive to tank, so they will feel pressure to make the playoffs this year (realistic or not), and I read this as Sarr doesn't want that kind of pressure his rookie year... which is some weak ass shit if that is the case. I read it the same way and it’s got to be poorly worded… there’s no way Sarr is putting it out there that he doesn’t want to go to Atlanta because they are pushing for playoff success and that’s too stressful :lol that would be unheard of for a top prospect.

[spurraider21]

Dream scenario: Sarr, Clingan and Buzelis go 1, 2 and 3. Spurs select Risacher with 4 and one of Sheppard/Castle falls to 8.
risacher/sheppard is my top combo, followed by risacher/dillingham, then sheppard/castle (im assuming holland is not part of the equation for the spurs)

i dont like combos where castle is defaulted at PG tbh :lol

[DAF86]

thought it was bertans but risacher was the chosen one after all!

We're talking Cade Cunningham.

[baseline bum]

Dream scenario: Sarr, Clingan and Buzelis go 1, 2 and 3. Spurs select Risacher with 4 and one of Sheppard/Castle falls to 8.

My dream is yours with the top 4 then move Keldon+8 to Detroit for 5 so they can take Castle #5. Can't imagine either of Castle or Sheppard falling to 8. Sheppard seems like a no-brainer for Detroit at 5 and Castle for Charlotte at 6 on that draft board.

[CGD]

I think we should watch Detroit pretty closely. The firing of Williams today signifies a sort of sea shift into the Langdon time frame. I wouldn't be surprised if Cade gets moved next week. It could shake things up.

Definitely have been keeping tabs on the PG situation there and all the shake up, but as much as I want Cade I think he’s still viewed as their foundation piece. BUT they have a big decision on him with his extension soon, so that’s another thing to watch for.

[DAF86]

My dream is yours with the top 4 then move Keldon+8 to Detroit for 5 so they can take Castle #5. Can't imagine either of Castle or Sheppard falling to 8. Sheppard seems like a no-brainer for Detroit at 5 and Castle for Charlotte at 6 on that draft board.

I don't see Detroit giving up 5 for Keldon, tbh.

[spurraider21]

We're talking Cade Cunningham.
ah, my bad. when bb said "tops out as a good starter" in the draft thread i assumed it was about risacher :lol

[Uriel]

Combining intel from this latest ESPN mock and the previous one and reading between the lines, the Spurs’ big board appears to be:

1. Risacher
2. Sheppard
3. Castle
4. Dillingham
5. Knecht
6. Williams
7. Salaun
8. Topic

There’s no mention of Sarr, Clingan, and Buzelis so it’s unclear what the Spurs’ level of interest is in them. Carter and Walter were mentioned, but it’s also unclear where they would rank on this list.

[spurraider21]

My dream is yours with the top 4 then move Keldon+8 to Detroit for 5 so they can take Castle #5. Can't imagine either of Castle or Sheppard falling to 8. Sheppard seems like a no-brainer for Detroit at 5 and Castle for Charlotte at 6 on that draft board.
moving up to wind up with riscaher + sheppard

https://media1.tenor.com/m/Vr5oMNMnNJIAAAAd/vince-vince-mcmahon.gif

[CGD]

My dream is yours with the top 4 then move Keldon+8 to Detroit for 5 so they can take Castle #5. Can't imagine either of Castle or Sheppard falling to 8. Sheppard seems like a no-brainer for Detroit at 5 and Castle for Charlotte at 6 on that draft board.

Adding Keldon to trade up 3 spots is a massive overpay, but giving CHA their pick back, and maybe 35, should do it.

[baseline bum]

ah, my bad. when bb said "tops out as a good starter" in the draft thread i assumed it was about risacher :lol

Applies to Zacharrie too. :lol

I can't help but see UNC Harrison Barnes in Risacher. Good shooter, good defender, suspect handles, no playmaking. Hopefully hits the high end of his projection as opposed to Barnes who never ended up the player he looked like he could become at UNC.

[exstatic]

Yeah, it makes no sense. I would jump at that opportunity on a second, though. Give them 4, 8, Keldon and whatever else they want.

He’s kind of proven that he isn’t even a floor raiser, let alone a ceiling raiser. I wouldn’t give him away, but a nice pick, or two meh picks should get the job done.

[baseline bum]

Adding Keldon to trade up 3 spots is a massive overpay, but giving CHA their pick back, and maybe 35, should do it.

I don't understand this at all. Why would Charlotte care so much about getting three second round picks?

[exstatic]

I see him as a future all-star, tbh.

You’d be in a very small group.

[DAF86]

He’s kind of proven that he isn’t even a floor raiser, let alone a ceiling raiser. I wouldn’t give him away, but a nice pick, or two meh picks should get the job done.

Same could be said of Wemby this season. A 6'6" point guard with all-star potential is PATFO's wet dream. I think it's worth it, tbh.

[exstatic]

Dream scenario: Sarr, Clingan and Buzelis go 1, 2 and 3. Spurs select Risacher with 4 and one of Sheppard/Castle falls to 8.

Never happens, for several reasons. NBA teams are really sour on Ignite players, having seen the duds. Buzelis has very few avenues to be picked in the top 4. In addition, if he were, there’s no way that Sheppard or Castle lasts to #8.

[exstatic]

Same could be said of Wemby this season. A 6'6" point guard with all-star potential is PATFO's wet dream. I think it's worth it, tbh.

Man, I’m going to bookmark this bitch for after Wemby, year 3, which is where Cade is now.

[spurraider21]

Applies to Zacharrie too. :lol

I can't help but see UNC Harrison Barnes in Risacher. Good shooter, good defender, suspect handles, no playmaking. Hopefully hits the high end of his projection as opposed to Barnes who never ended up the player he looked like he could become at UNC.
i agree that i dont really see all star in risacher. he just seems like a fairly sure thing to be a good starter who plays a vital role for good teams. might not be a "defend the other team's best player and shut him down" type, but he's a willing and capable defender who knows how to play a complementary role on offense without just hiding in the corner with his hands out waiting for the ball. his ballhandling right now is quite weak, and is the area he needs to improve the most. because from what ive seen out of him, he's actually a solid passer. he just doesnt have the means to create passing avenues which take advantage of that ability. if he makes that improvement to unlock just enough secondary playmaking, i think you wind up with something between MPJ and Batum, which particularly in this draft, id take in a heartbeat

[DAF86]

You’d be in a very small group.

23, 7.5, 4.5 at 22 fucking years old. How would I be in the minority thinking that guy can be an all-star? :lol

Either way, no reason to keep arguing it because there is no way in hell the Pistons are trading their franchise player.

"In the minority" GTFOH :lmao

[DAF86]

Man, I’m going to bookmark this bitch for after Wemby, year 3, which is where Cade is now.

And I'm gonna bookmark your ass when Cade inevitably makes the all-star in the not so distant future. For real son, you sound like stretch when he said Kawhi would never be more than a Shane Battier type player. :lol

[tonight...you]

I really hate that HOU landed in front of SA. Kind of annoying that despite pick 3 and 4 not being much different value wise that it was HOU in front of SA here which may prevent Reed from getting to SA
I smirk at the irony of this.
Imagine Rockets fans' frustration with San Antonio's landing site in the Draft last year when they even won the coin toss.

This year is nothing in comparison.

[baseline bum]

And I'm gonna bookmark your ass when Cade inevitably makes the all-star in the not so distant future. For real son, you sound like stretch when he said Kawhi would never be more than a Shane Battier type player. :lol

C'mon man, mentioning Cade in the same breath with Victor and Kawhi?

[DAF86]

C'mon man, mentioning Cade in the same breath with Victor and Kawhi?

Cade's so clearly on an all-star path that I'm baffled by your comments, bros. I don't even think I was saying anything controversial, tbh. :lol

[SpursBills]

Cade realistically has about the same value as Vassell +/- a mid-late first rounder tbh. If he gets maxed he might have less value. Similar size, similar wingspan, trade Vassell's better defense for Cade's ability to handle a larger offensive load. Impact metrics at the same age about the same as well.

[baseline bum]

Cade's so clearly on an all-star path that I'm baffled by your comments, bros. I don't even think I was saying anything controversial, tbh. :lol

Kawhi's VORP was 2.1 as a rookie, second season he was doing a great job guarding LeBron in the Finals, third year he was Finals MVP. Cade's first two years he was replacement level and Year 3 he's just crept into reasonable starting material level with a 1.2 VORP. When you say Cade is a surefire allstar in the waiting you're saying he's going to be better than Manu.

[CGD]

I don't understand this at all. Why would Charlotte care so much about getting three second round picks?

How can folks say this is the flattest draft at the top, and also then say that trading up 2 slots (mind you, outside of the top 3) requires giving up a solid role player to do so?

[DAF86]

Kawhi's VORP was 2.1 as a rookie, second season he was doing a great job guarding LeBron in the Finals, third year he was Finals MVP. Cade's first two years he was replacement level and Year 3 he's just crept into reasonable starting material level with a 1.2 VORP. When you say Cade is a surefire allstar in the waiting you're saying he's going to be better than Manu.

I'm not saying nothing of the sort, I'm just saying he's clearly gonna be an all-star. Is any all-star automatically better than Manu?

[baseline bum]

I'm not saying nothing of the sort, I'm just saying he's clearly gonna be an all-star. Is any all-star automatically better than Manu?

Manu was a 2x allstar; you seem to think Cade will be more than that.

[sfernald]

I don't see Detroit giving up 5 for Keldon, tbh.

I was thinking of this trade earlier and see you guys talking about something similar.

any thoughts?

I think Detroit could really use a vet aggressive scorer like KJ and spurs can take a shot at Ivey who might be worthless to Detroit next year. Spurs might be able to get him going. The difference between the two seems to be about 5 to 8 give or take a second round pick. I wouldn’t pay more than the price listed below though. Grimes is just salary.

https://i.postimg.cc/wBWQ15Y1/IMG-1127.jpg

[baseline bum]

How can folks say this is the flattest draft at the top, and also then say that trading up 2 slots (mind you, outside of the top 3) requires giving up a solid role player to do so?

I wasn't suggesting giving up a solid role player; I was suggesting giving up Keldon Johnson, a replacement level player. If he was going to be somebody he would have probably been it by now.

[Mugen]

I'm with DAF, if all it took to get Cade was 4, 8, Keldon and another future 1st, I'd easily take that tbh.

He'd be pretty much the perfect PG to line up next to Wemby. Keeping Vassell and Sochan as well... that's a no brainer :lol

[DAF86]

Manu was a 2x allstar; you seem to think Cade will be more than that.

Yeah, but I don't think any multiple all-star is automatically better than Manu. Heck, I think many MVP's are worse players than Manu.

[Mugen]

I wasn't suggesting giving up a solid role player; I was suggesting giving up Keldon Johnson, a replacement level player. If he was going to be somebody he would have probably been it by now.

Wishful thinking but I'm hoping that DWhite winning a ring and balling out for Boston raises Keldon's value somewhat. Get a young guy away from the old man and sky's the limit tbh :lol

[baseline bum]

I'm with DAF, if all it took to get Cade was 4, 8, Keldon and another future 1st, I'd easily take that tbh.

He'd be pretty much the perfect PG to line up next to Wemby. Keeping Vassell and Sochan as well... that's a no brainer :lol

Don't see the perfect PG part at all. I remember when Spurs fans were spraying their pants over getting Antoine Carr after he put up 20ppg in Sacramento and Cade seems like kind of similar empty stats.

[baseline bum]

Wishful thinking but I'm hoping that DWhite winning a ring and balling out for Boston raises Keldon's value somewhat. Get a young guy away from the old man and sky's the limit tbh :lol

White was an absolute top tier defender when he was here. Keldon has done nothing to get that kind of comparison.

[objective]

There had been slight talk in the past couple of weeks about the Bulls targeting Buzelis

What could the Spurs get in swap down to 11 if Buzelis is still on the board at 8 or even at 4 if the Spurs feel shut out on their top guys?

If it's 8, would Chicago taking off all protection from the 2025 1st be fair to swap down to 11? Or even changing it to top 4 protection instead of 10 then 8 then 8 then the 28 second?

Too little? Too much? Unrealistic?

[baseline bum]

There had been slight talk in the past couple of weeks about the Bulls targeting Buzelis

What could the Spurs get in swap down to 11 if Buzelis is still on the board at 8 or even at 4 if the Spurs feel shut out on their top guys?

If it's 8, would Chicago taking off all protection from the 2025 1st be fair to swap down to 11? Or even changing it to top 4 protection instead of 10 then 8 then 8 then the 28 second?

Too little? Too much? Unrealistic?

Top 4 protection is barely any better than top 10 protection for a Bulls team that won't tank.

[spurraider21]

There had been slight talk in the past couple of weeks about the Bulls targeting Buzelis

What could the Spurs get in swap down to 11 if Buzelis is still on the board at 8 or even at 4 if the Spurs feel shut out on their top guys?

If it's 8, would Chicago taking off all protection from the 2025 1st be fair to swap down to 11? Or even changing it to top 4 protection instead of 10 then 8 then 8 then the 28 second?

Too little? Too much? Unrealistic?
if both sheppard/risacher are off the board id be interested in moving down from 4, but dno about going all the way to 11. its a situation where id trade down with a memphis targeting clingan or somethin

[Mugen]

Don't see the perfect PG part at all. I remember when Spurs fans were spraying their pants over getting Antoine Carr after he put up 20ppg in Sacramento and Cade seems like kind of similar empty stats.

You're underselling what getting out of Detroit does to a guy tbh


White was an absolute top tier defender when he was here. Keldon has done nothing to get that kind of comparison.

Hence the wishful thinking part :lol

[Mugen]

There had been slight talk in the past couple of weeks about the Bulls targeting Buzelis

What could the Spurs get in swap down to 11 if Buzelis is still on the board at 8 or even at 4 if the Spurs feel shut out on their top guys?

If it's 8, would Chicago taking off all protection from the 2025 1st be fair to swap down to 11? Or even changing it to top 4 protection instead of 10 then 8 then 8 then the 28 second?

Too little? Too much? Unrealistic?

I mentioned that a while back and thought loosening the protections for '25 - '27 was fair.

I could see them trying to get Clingan if he was still available and jump Memphis. If Dilly and Carter were both still available at #8 then I'd definitely consider it since i don't see Memphis/Utah picking either guy.

Even lowering it to top 6 protected would be fine with me because adding Clingan is probably enough to keep Chicago mid by the end of next season tbh.

[Pauleta14]

People out here knocking Buzelis's "attitude" for some imagined reasons, meanwhile Sarr is reportedly ducking the Hawks so he can go to a "lower pressure situation"? Sounds like a real winner (if true).

Who says it's the reason?

It could just be a matter of fit or even not being fond of ATL (He's been there to work out last summer)

As of Buzelis, I said it was sujective, but taking the body language into account isn't absurd big picture wise in addition of multiple other factors.

[CGD]

I wasn't suggesting giving up a solid role player; I was suggesting giving up Keldon Johnson, a replacement level player. If he was going to be somebody he would have probably been it by now.

We value him differently. That’s cool.

[Extra Stout]

Wishful thinking but I'm hoping that DWhite winning a ring and balling out for Boston raises Keldon's value somewhat. Get a young guy away from the old man and sky's the limit tbh :lol
Boston knew what Derrick White was, and could become, when they traded for him. Nobody is thinking, oh gee, San Antonio holds players back, maybe Keldon Johnson will grow a brain, start trying on defense, learn how to shoot, and do something other than put his head down and barrel into the paint come hell or high water if only we get him away from Pop.

[objective]

Top 4 protection is barely any better than top 10 protection for a Bulls team that won't tank.

I suppose I see enough risk that they might unintentionally tank

They could lose DeRozan in free agency, of it they keep him he could decline more than they expect at his age. Same with Vucevic. They could lose Patrick Williams as an rfa, and if he stays it's still a significant injury to return from. Caruso is no guarantee of health.

I could see them slipping to around where Brooklyn was while still trying to win

[baseline bum]

I suppose I see enough risk that they might unintentionally tank

They could lose DeRozan in free agency, of it they keep him he could decline more than they expect at his age. Same with Vucevic. They could lose Patrick Williams as an rfa, and if he stays it's still a significant injury to return from. Caruso is no guarantee of health.

I could see them slipping to around where Brooklyn was while still trying to win

Maybe if the Spurs are set on Carter at 8 since he'll probably still be there at 11. Otherwise though you're only gaining a couple of spots without the big payoff Houston got from Brooklyn advancing into the top 4. Though strongly doubt Buzelis is there at 8 anyways so it's moot. And in that case I'd rather just draft Buzelis.

[JuneJive]

If we are not taking into account the '25 draft class then I'd say go for Castle and Carter.

[NASpurs]

Would the Spurs draft someone they didn't work out especially in this uncertain draft?

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-draft-workouts-tracker/



1



Zaccharie Risacher



JL Bourg
SF
2005


3

Reed Sheppard

Kentucky
PG
Fr


4

Stephon Castle

UConn
SG
Fr


8

Tidjane Salaun

Cholet Basket
PF
2005


10

Nikola Topic

Crvena Zvezda
PG
2005


11

Devin Carter

Providence
SG
Jr


12

Rob Dillingham

Kentucky
PG
Fr


16

Ja'Kobe Walter

Baylor
SG
Fr


22

Tyler Kolek

Marquette
PG
Sr


32

Pacome Dadiet

Ulm
SF
2005


42

Dillon Jones

Weber St.
SF
Jr


43

Jamal Shead

Houston
PG
Sr


46



Enrique Freeman



Akron
PF
Sr


48



Keshad Johnson



Arizona
PF
Sr


53

Antonio Reeves

Kentucky
SG
Sr


54



Trentyn Flowers



Adelaide 36ers
SF
2005


58

Tristen Newton

UConn
PG
Sr


63

Blake Hinson

Pittsburgh
SF
Sr


69

Boogie Ellis

USC
PG
Sr


NR

Jesse Edwards

West Virginia
C
Sr


NR

Tristan Enaruna

Cleveland St
SF
Sr


NR

Aaron Estrada

Alabama
PG
Sr


NR

KJ Jones

Emmanuel
SG
Sr


NR

Kyle Rode

Liberty
SF
Sr


NR

Tyrese Samuel

Florida
PF
Sr


NR

JT Toppin

New Mexico
PF
Fr

[TimmehC]

Surprised to see Walter on that list but not Williams or any of the Ignite guys. But I'm sure the workout schedule is probably packed for this last week until the draft.

[Trueblood]

Cade's so clearly on an all-star path that I'm baffled by your comments, bros. I don't even think I was saying anything controversial, tbh. :lol

Cade had played well on a bad team. He's shown improvement for sure, but until he proves he can carry a team through a season without multiple double digit losing streaks, I doubt he'll garner much all star consideration. I'm not saying it's not possible, but it'll be a minute for sure.

Personally I'd rather see us go after Ivey. He would be cheaper and I would argue a really good fit for our team.

[DAF86]

Cade had played well on a bad team. He's shown improvement for sure, but until he proves he can carry a team through a season without multiple double digit losing streaks, I doubt he'll garner much all star consideration. I'm not saying it's not possible, but it'll be a minute for sure.

Personally I'd rather see us go after Ivey. He would be cheaper and I would argue a really good fit for our team.

Cade >>>>>>>> Ivey

On that same awful team you are talking about, the coach thought Ivey wasn't good enough to start untill management asked him to.

Ivey will be a bench player for years to come, in the best of cases. Cade is a 23 ppg scorer at 22 years of age. It isn't even close.

[DPG21920]

I would give up all 3 ATL picks for Cade pretty easily

[heyheymymy]

I would give up all 3 ATL picks for Cade pretty easily

that's too much of a premium to pay imho

[Mr. Peabody]

I think they had Dillingham in today for his workout.

[JPB]

Stephon Castle worked out for San Antonio against Devin Carter last week according to ESPN on their latest mock draft. Interesting as it seems the spurs highly value these workouts.

Yup, like that "epic" workout with Wesley and Branham 2 years ago...

[Vienna]

I mean there isn't a single prospect other than possibly Sarr that I'd happy to draft with a #4 pick in a normal draft. Castle seems like he'd go around 7 or 8 in a normal draft like say a Coby White, same for Sheppard, Risacher maybe 6 or 7 like Harrison Barnes. Looking at the weakness of this class I think Sheppard is probably a top 4 player in it; everybody in this draft has some major holes in his game so hard to say can't draft this flawed player at 4 since everyone else you could pick there is hugely flawed too.

I did consider the pool in this years draft when I wrote that Sheppard isn't a top 4 pick for me. it's the upside question, that will be asked in this draft as much, as in any other draft. I think that teams will go for upside rather than the sure bet on an allegedly role player. this includes the Spurs IMO. Castle, Cody, Buzelis, Holland, Topic just offer more theoretically upside. so I guess they go upside at 4.
Sheppard hit tons of shots, but teams will look at his shot diet and compare it to other prospects. for example, McCain took (and hit) much more shots off the dribble. if teams see Sheppard as a mainly C&S player, they don't pick him that high.

[mo7888]

I would give up all 3 ATL picks for Cade pretty easily

You'd get him for that..

[rascal]

I would give up all 3 ATL picks for Cade pretty easily

The Spurs wouldn't.

[LeBowen]

The Spurs wouldn't.

What kind of player do they expect to get with mid-lottery picks, then?

Cade hasn't even turned 23 yet.
He's a 6'6 guard, I'd even say a point guard at this stage. Not a traditional one, but more than good enough for a team that doesn't want a heliocentric playmaker.
If you looked at any of his press conferences, kid has an amazing mentality. He was genuinely distraught during their losing streak and gave his all every game to break it.
Averaged 23/4/7.5 on 45/35/87 with that awful roster around him and non-existant coaching.
His defense isn't anything special, but with proper development he can surely be a solid team defender.

I'd take him over any other point guard target. DJ, Trae, Garland or whoever else is out there.
Idk what kind of point guard are you hoping to draft?

In that other topic I voted for Castle as my favorite prospect, but Cade was a clearly better prospect and Castle will have a really long way to come even close to Cade.
With that being said, there's no chance Pistons trade their only good player.

[rascal]

What kind of player do they expect to get with mid-lottery picks, then?

Cade hasn't even turned 23 yet.
He's a 6'6 guard, I'd even say a point guard at this stage. Not a traditional one, but more than good enough for a team that doesn't want a heliocentric playmaker.
If you looked at any of his press conferences, kid has an amazing mentality. He was genuinely distraught during their losing streak and gave his all every game to break it.
Averaged 23/4/7.5 on 45/35/87 with that awful roster around him and non-existant coaching.
His defense isn't anything special, but with proper development he can surely be a solid team defender.

I'd take him over any other point guard target. DJ, Trae, Garland or whoever else is out there.
Idk what kind of point guard are you hoping to draft?

In that other topic I voted for Castle as my favorite prospect, but Cade was a clearly better prospect and Castle will have a really long way to come even close to Cade.
With that being said, there's no chance Pistons trade their only good player.

Spurs are set to build through the draft. I don't think they would trade those picks for any one player in the league.

[LeBowen]

Spurs are set to build through the draft. I don't think they would trade those picks for any one player in the league.

Yeah, I'm sure we'll actually pick eight rookies in the next three drafts.

[rascal]

Yeah, I'm sure we'll actually pick eight rookies in the next three drafts.

More likely than the Spurs making a block buster trade.

[Mr. Body]

I can see the Spurs making a blockbuster trade, but not at this point.

[Vienna]

endlessly stockpiling picks just doesn't make much sense.
yeah, I get it that many teams overpayed by sending out to many picks.
on the other hand, if you've got draft capital, when are you going to use it?
at some point there are no roster spots left.

Pacers invested 3 FRP for Siakam and this was crucial to get them to the CF. (where they gave Boston more problems than the sweep suggests, in fact more problems than any team did in this PO).
to high a price some people will say. but this was the price to get it done. and honestly, the picks #19 and #29 in this years draft are not exactly the jackpot and assuming the Pacers will be good in 2026, this pick won't be either.
they still have their picks in 2025 and 2027 plus tons of 2nd round picks. they will be fine.
yeah, it's risky to sacrifice multiple picks for a verteran player, but it's also risky to use the picks, as not every pick will turn into a NBA player at all.

[Mr. Body]

As much as they learned about Wembanyama and the team last year, they're still trying to figure things out. I get that people are impatient, but trading three picks for a player who doesn't fit is the wrong thing to do. Say, acquiring Darius Garland and then realizing it's not a fit with Wembanyama. What do you do at that point? You have to put him on the market again, because he won't accept going to the bench.

I think we can start chopping at pitches - if we want - pretty soon, but that time isn't here just yet.

[djohn2oo8]

As much as they learned about Wembanyama and the team last year, they're still trying to figure things out. I get that people are impatient, but trading three picks for a player who doesn't fit is the wrong thing to do. Say, acquiring Darius Garland and then realizing it's not a fit with Wembanyama. What do you do at that point? You have to put him on the market again, because he won't accept going to the bench.

I think we can start chopping at pitches - if we want - pretty soon, but that time isn't here just yet.
This. It’s too early to start trading picks for y’all.

[LeBowen]

that time isn't here just yet.

For me it's not about the time, but the opportunity.
Spurs don't need to make any big moves this summer.
Hope you draft two good players, give everyone another chance while trying to actually win games and see what happen.
In the meantime, be ready to jump at any opportunity that fits the roster.

Don't make moves for the sake of making moves, but if let's say Markkanen becomes available because Jazz fucks up his extension, then we need to be the first in line to acquire his services.
Many teams failed because their blew their load too early, but it's not like we haven't seen plenty of teams fail because they were too patient and always thought an even better opportunity will come up.

[djohn2oo8]

Sheppard to Houston almost seems to be getting telegraphed at this point. Makes me think it's not gonna happen tbh. Still think they're gonna try and move that pick for a win-now player.
Yep.

[exstatic]

You'd get him for that..

And Detroit would laugh all the way to the bank.

[Chinook]

Would the Spurs draft someone they didn't work out especially in this uncertain draft?

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1



Zaccharie Risacher



JL Bourg
SF
2005


3

Reed Sheppard

Kentucky
PG
Fr


4

Stephon Castle

UConn
SG
Fr


8

Tidjane Salaun

Cholet Basket
PF
2005


10

Nikola Topic

Crvena Zvezda
PG
2005


11

Devin Carter

Providence
SG
Jr


12

Rob Dillingham

Kentucky
PG
Fr


16

Ja'Kobe Walter

Baylor
SG
Fr


22

Tyler Kolek

Marquette
PG
Sr


32

Pacome Dadiet

Ulm
SF
2005


42

Dillon Jones

Weber St.
SF
Jr


43

Jamal Shead

Houston
PG
Sr


46



Enrique Freeman



Akron
PF
Sr


48



Keshad Johnson



Arizona
PF
Sr


53

Antonio Reeves

Kentucky
SG
Sr


54



Trentyn Flowers



Adelaide 36ers
SF
2005


58

Tristen Newton

UConn
PG
Sr


63

Blake Hinson

Pittsburgh
SF
Sr


69

Boogie Ellis

USC
PG
Sr


NR

Jesse Edwards

West Virginia
C
Sr


NR

Tristan Enaruna

Cleveland St
SF
Sr


NR

Aaron Estrada

Alabama
PG
Sr


NR

KJ Jones

Emmanuel
SG
Sr


NR

Kyle Rode

Liberty
SF
Sr


NR

Tyrese Samuel

Florida
PF
Sr


NR

JT Toppin

New Mexico
PF
Fr




Of course they would. Remember, the Spurs are going to have their board even though the media have the draft as a lot flatter at the top than most. They aren't going to be like STers and think if players are in the same tier that they don't have a preference of who falls. They're going to do everything they can to throw off teams to their selections at 4 and especially 8. Like if the Spurs want Buzelis and feel Detroit will take him at five, they're going to avoid a situation where the Pistons trade up to three to snag him. If they can make the Pistons think "Oh no, they're in on Castle instead", then they can trick Detroit into not making the deal and thus landing their guy without having to trade. And if Houston is targeting Sheppard and believes the Spurs would take him at 4 if the Rockets move down, then Houston might not be willing to risk trading with Detroit.

If the Spurs are as in on this draft as I believe they are, they don't need to workouts to tell who they want at the top of the board. They do need those workouts to sort out their second-rounders. I find it interesting that the Spurs a looking at so many upperclassmen. As I've mentioned before, 35 is a great spot to draft some high-floor backfill to be long-term depth. Specifically getting a plug-and-play PG to take over Jones' rotation spot is a high priority in my book even if they draft point-guard at 4 or 8

[z0sa]

As much as they learned about Wembanyama and the team last year, they're still trying to figure things out. I get that people are impatient, but trading three picks for a player who doesn't fit is the wrong thing to do. Say, acquiring Darius Garland and then realizing it's not a fit with Wembanyama. What do you do at that point? You have to put him on the market again, because he won't accept going to the bench.

I think we can start chopping at pitches - if we want - pretty soon, but that time isn't here just yet.

We’ve already lost value on Keldon and Collins. Assuming a similar 24-25 campaign, Keldon’s value was clearly highest last summer, for instance. Collins, barring a miracle resurgence, is vastly overpaid and gives us little relatively in return.

Sure, PATFO may get a pass trying to see how the pieces fit around Wemby. I wouldn’t have traded Keldon last summer, either. But my point is hanging around sucking at the bottom of a conference doesn’t do your trade stock any favors in most cases. Players who are losing are typically not playing up to their potential.

If PATFO don’t heavily weigh every opportunity moving forward, they’re being negligent.

[onechance87]

This. It’s too early to start trading picks for y’all.

the problem is,I dont trust management to draft good players and build a talented roster with wemby.But guess will see next week

[mo7888]

And Detroit would laugh all the way to the bank.

Yup

[Mr. Body]

We’ve already lost value on Keldon and Collins. Assuming a similar 24-25 campaign, Keldon’s value was clearly highest last summer, for instance. Collins, barring a miracle resurgence, is vastly overpaid and gives us little relatively in return.

Sure, PATFO may get a pass trying to see how the pieces fit around Wemby. I wouldn’t have traded Keldon last summer, either. But my point is hanging around sucking at the bottom of a conference doesn’t do your trade stock any favors in most cases. Players who are losing are typically not playing up to their potential.

If PATFO don’t heavily weigh every opportunity moving forward, they’re being negligent.

Yeah, just stop being impatient. Firing off assets without knowing what will work is dumb. Every off-season players will become available.

[Mr. Body]

Rumors that three teams are vocal about trading into the 3 spot. Charlotte, Portland, and Memphis, with Hornets and Grizzlies the most aggressive.

One would think the target is Clingan, who might not even be there. Crazy that Donovan Clingan is the massive hinge for this draft. Not something I'd expect.

In the unlikely scenario that Clingan lasts past Houston, I suppose the Spurs could put that pick for sale and trade down. Right now it's hard to think Clingan will last past the first three picks, though, with Houston trading him.

If Houston trades down, they may still get Sheppard. Unlikely, so the play may even be to keep trading down. They don't really need anything from this draft.

[Knoxxx]

Whose Cade?

[Vienna]

can someone tell me, why McCain worked out for the Warriors, when they have only the #52 pick?

sounds as if they have a deal in place, likely for a late lottery pick? what do they give? Podziemsky? (but they say they love him), or maybe a future 1st (low protected?)

ok.....what about this: Warriors trade Podziemski to the Spurs for #8, plus some more assets. (future picks?)

[SpursDynasty85]

Rumors that three teams are vocal about trading into the 3 spot. Charlotte, Portland, and Memphis, with Hornets and Grizzlies the most aggressive.

One would think the target is Clingan, who might not even be there. Crazy that Donovan Clingan is the massive hinge for this draft. Not something I'd expect.

In the unlikely scenario that Clingan lasts past Houston, I suppose the Spurs could put that pick for sale and trade down. Right now it's hard to think Clingan will last past the first three picks, though, with Houston trading him.

If Houston trades down, they may still get Sheppard. Unlikely, so the play may even be to keep trading down. They don't really need anything from this draft.

Wouldn't be surprised if Zach Edey goes in the lottery too. If Gobert can get maximum money and traded for 4 first round picks then there is definitely a case for Edey and Clingan who looks better.

[R. DeMurre]

For me it's not about the time, but the opportunity.
Spurs don't need to make any big moves this summer.
Hope you draft two good players, give everyone another chance while trying to actually win games and see what happen.
In the meantime, be ready to jump at any opportunity that fits the roster.

Don't make moves for the sake of making moves, but if let's say Markkanen becomes available because Jazz fucks up his extension, then we need to be the first in line to acquire his services.
Many teams failed because their blew their load too early, but it's not like we haven't seen plenty of teams fail because they were too patient and always thought an even better opportunity will come up.


This, exactly. Don't buy into any preconceived formula, stay flexible. I ran across a great John Wooden quote recently, and I think it sums up the way to approach team building (or life in general): "Things turn out best for the people who make the best of the way things turn out."

You can be on the lookout for a Magic-like PG, a Kirilenko-like combo forward, a Manu-like shooting guard, a Curry-like shooter.... but the chances of that exact guy showing up are very slim. You work with the opportunities in front of you, understand that basketball constantly evolves, and get ready to pounce when those opportunities are presented.

[scott]

Of course they would. Remember, the Spurs are going to have their board even though the media have the draft as a lot flatter at the top than most. They aren't going to be like STers and think if players are in the same tier that they don't have a preference of who falls. They're going to do everything they can to throw off teams to their selections at 4 and especially 8. Like if the Spurs want Buzelis and feel Detroit will take him at five, they're going to avoid a situation where the Pistons trade up to three to snag him. If they can make the Pistons think "Oh no, they're in on Castle instead", then they can trick Detroit into not making the deal and thus landing their guy without having to trade. And if Houston is targeting Sheppard and believes the Spurs would take him at 4 if the Rockets move down, then Houston might not be willing to risk trading with Detroit.

If the Spurs are as in on this draft as I believe they are, they don't need to workouts to tell who they want at the top of the board. They do need those workouts to sort out their second-rounders. I find it interesting that the Spurs a looking at so many upperclassmen. As I've mentioned before, 35 is a great spot to draft some high-floor backfill to be long-term depth. Specifically getting a plug-and-play PG to take over Jones' rotation spot is a high priority in my book even if they draft point-guard at 4 or 8

I agree with all of this, but as a matter of obfuscation, the Spurs could achieve the same level of "smokescreen" by working out EVERYONE as opposed to not working out their preferred targets in hopes of "masking" their interest. In fact, working out everyone might be even more of a smokescreen in that if it appears that the Spurs like everyone, then that is as useful of info as the Spurs liking no one. With that said, I'm not sure if there are rules limiting the number of individual workouts (like the NFL has), and certainly there are bandwidth limitations upon the staff as well as scheduling constraints on both sides. But from a strategy perspective, you'd think it would almost be better to workout the entire range of projected lotto picks. At a bare minimum you'd gain opposition scouting on all of these guys who are about to be playing for rival teams.

[SpursFan86]

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Dream scenario for us tbh…Risacher and Sarr go 1/2, then Memphis trades 9 + Smart to grab Clingan at 3. We take Sheppard at 4 and then grab your preferred choice of Castle/Buzelis/Holland/Williams depending on who’s available at 8.

Extra benefit because I think Sheppard would be a good fit for Houston and Smart doesn’t help them at all :lol

[scott]

can someone tell me, why McCain worked out for the Warriors, when they have only the #52 pick?

sounds as if they have a deal in place, likely for a late lottery pick? what do they give? Podziemsky? (but they say they love him), or maybe a future 1st (low protected?)

ok.....what about this: Warriors trade Podziemski to the Spurs for #8, plus some more assets. (future picks?)

There is still value in getting a workout in with a player who you may have little chance of getting. It gives you some opposition scouting, but it also might be a player that really intrigues you that you may not draft but you'll want to keep tabs on throughout their if a trade opportunity or FA signing presents itself down the road. You'll often hear of teams who "really liked this guy during the pre-draft process" years down the road when maybe they are available. Just a thought.

With that said, the Warriors may very well be looking to do some deals to shore up their cap situation, like you said.

[Mr. Body]

There is still value in getting a workout in with a player who you may have little chance of getting. It gives you some opposition scouting, but it also might be a player that really intrigues you that you may not draft but you'll want to keep tabs on throughout their if a trade opportunity or FA signing presents itself down the road. You'll often hear of teams who "really liked this guy during the pre-draft process" years down the road when maybe they are available. Just a thought.

With that said, the Warriors may very well be looking to do some deals to shore up their cap situation, like you said.

Right-o.

As for getting into the draft, NOLA is rumored to maybe want to sell their 21 for future seconds. NYK have 24 and 25 and are rumored to not want both (or either?).

I'm not sure moving much higher is feasible and that's where McCain will be.

[SpursDynasty85]

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Dream scenario for us tbh…Risacher and Sarr go 1/2, then Memphis trades 9 + Smart to grab Clingan at 3. We take Sheppard at 4 and then grab your preferred choice of Castle/Buzelis/Holland/Williams depending on who’s available at 8.

Extra benefit because I think Sheppard would be a good fit for Houston and Smart doesn’t help them at all :lol

Smart, Thompson, Brooks, and Adams sounds like a team not many teams would want to play unless they got shoulder pads.

[Mugen]

This shit draft is shaping up to be one of the most fun in years. Nobody knows shit tbh :lol

[SpursFan86]

This shit draft is shaping up to be one of the most fun in years. Nobody knows shit tbh :lol

Can’t wait for the Spurs to go with Salaun at 4 and then trade #8 for three future SRPs :lol

[z0sa]

Yeah, just stop being impatient. Firing off assets without knowing what will work is dumb. Every off-season players will become available.

Wanting the Spurs to sell high rather than low if an opportunity presents itself is being impatient now, okay. Spoken like a true disciple of Pop.

Every trade for a rotation player who has never played for your team is a risk. You won't know exactly how it will turn out - the difference between the loss of x leaving and player y joining - until they show up.

We have a very similar situation in this draft. No sure-fire thing. I'd take a great player, especially a triple threat PG, who's proven he belongs in the League over any of these guys in the draft, point blank. And I'd take one over most of our current roster. Keldon has the highest value of anyone the Spurs are able and willing to ship out, but for how long? Again, you misidentify this as impatience when really, it's prudence and actual team-building, which involves making tough decisions and not just casting the die. Too many people are acting like last season simply didn't happen.

[scott]

The fine line of patience and paralysis by analysis. Those who do it right, succeed.

[spurraider21]

I think they had Dillingham in today for his workout.
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[spurraider21]

grizzlies wanting Clingan seems so telegraphed at the moment. it made sense intuitively since they clearly liked Adams before his health issues, and Clingan projects to just be a bigger version of that. they also traded away Tillman to Boston so they are particularly thin at center. now with the talk of them trading up, seems even more obvious.

if you are somebody like me who has Risacher and Sheppard as the top 2 of our board, it just gives us another out to have one fall at 4

either hawks take clingan first, wizards presumably take sarr, and then spurs get the leftover of risacher/sheppard depending on who the rockets leave behind (more likely risacher), or

hawks and wizards split risacher/sarr, memphis trades up for clingan at 3, and sheppard therefore falls to 4

[onechance87]

Can’t wait for the Spurs to go with Salaun at 4 and then trade #8 for three future SRPs :lol

lol

[Mr. Body]

The fine line of patience and paralysis by analysis. Those who do it right, succeed.

It's not paralysis it's just keeping their powder dry. They'll do plenty of other things.

[scott]

It's not paralysis it's just keeping their powder dry. They'll do plenty of other things.

What "it" are you referring to? I made a generality, I'm not referring to anything specific.

There is always some unknown, potentially better thing to keep your powder dry for. That's where you run into the realm of paralysis. Say if you could get Lauri for a single FRP and he gave assurances that he'd resign, but you want to be "patient" - that is paralysis hurting you. On the flip side, giving up a massive haul for Trae because he's the first all-star that has shown an interest in being a Spur... that's impatience hurting you. There's a line, and mastering it is a skill that separates good FOs from bad ones. However, we'll never know what deals could or couldn't have been had because we're on the outside looking in.

[Mr. Body]

What "it" are you referring to? I made a generality, I'm not referring to anything specific.

There is always some unknown, potentially better thing to keep your powder dry for. That's where you run into the realm of paralysis. Say if you could get Lauri for a single FRP and he gave assurances that he'd resign, but you want to be "patient" - that is paralysis hurting you. On the flip side, giving up a massive haul for Trae because he's the first all-star that has shown an interest in being a Spur... that's impatience hurting you. There's a line, and mastering it is a skill that separates good FOs from bad ones. However, we'll never know what deals could or couldn't have been had because we're on the outside looking in.

We're talking about big trades this summer. It's not going to happen.

[DPG21920]

Yall are crazy RE: Cade. He is easily worth the ATL picks IMO and I wouldn’t hesitate if that was actually the cost/possible.

Regarding the draft, I really, really hope it starts out Clingan to ATL and Risacher to WAS. That puts HOU in a spot where if they want Reed (which is who I want most for SA) then they have to let Sarr fall to SA and Im sure that will not make them very happy to do it.

Then there could be a chance SA walks away with Sarr and Castle (with Castle maybe falling to 8 or via trade up with Detroit for 5 using pick 8 + something)

[LeBowen]

We're talking about big trades this summer. It's not going to happen.

I admire anyone who can claim anything with such certainty considering the state of the league in 2024 and all the shit that goes down with noone ever expecting it.

[Mugen]

Yall are crazy RE: Cade. He is easily worth the ATL picks IMO and I wouldn’t hesitate if that was actually the cost/possible.

Regarding the draft, I really, really hope it starts out Clingan to ATL and Risacher to WAS. That puts HOU in a spot where if they want Reed (which is who I want most for SA) then they have to let Sarr fall to SA and Im sure that will not make them very happy to do it.

Then there could be a chance SA walks away with Sarr and Castle (with Castle maybe falling to 8 or via trade up with Detroit for 5 using pick 8 + something)

Would be shocking to see WAS pass on Sarr at #2 tbh.

[Mr. Body]

I admire anyone who can claim anything with such certainty considering the state of the league in 2024 and all the shit that goes down with noone ever expecting it.

I feel like we're just going to live through last offseason again. The team has been very clear about what they're going to do and not do. You're free to think they're gonna trade for Trae Young or whatever.

[BatManu20]

Rockets reported on Twitter saying Clingan is currently their #1 target with Sheppard right behind him.

[DAF86]

Whose Cade?

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[spurraider21]

Would be shocking to see WAS pass on Sarr at #2 tbh.
agreed. he makes a ton of sense for them. unlike ATL/HOU, their priority is not year 1 production out of their pick. Sarr needs some time to cook, and Washington can be plenty patient. he also is less of a pick and roll guy and more of a face up guy, at least as far as what his aspirations are. washington has more use for a guy like that than ATL/HOU as well

[BatManu20]

Sheppard to Houston almost seems to be getting telegraphed at this point. Makes me think it's not gonna happen tbh. Still think they're gonna try and move that pick for a win-now player.

Like I said tbh. I think this is legit. Clingan or a trade at 3 for the Rockets. They need someone to throw at Wemby moving forward cause Sengun ain’t the guy to do it. Clingan feels like a very Ime Udoka pick tbh.

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[SpursFan86]

Like I said tbh. I think this is legit. Clingan or a trade at 3 for the Rockets.

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Let’s goooooo. Love to see it.

[BatManu20]

If that happens, the question then becomes do the Spurs value Shepherd over Castle? Cause Reed definitely won’t be there at 8 tbh.

[scott]

We're talking about big trades this summer. It's not going to happen.

It probably won't happen this summer - but if a big trade opportunity that made a lot of sense (like the Lauri hypothetical I offered) presented itself and we passed because "we are being patient"... then we aren't being patient, we are being paralyzed by stupidity.

[scott]

I'm not worried about where Sarr goes, because he's a theoretical player who projects to a not-so-valuable archetype (rim running big) and hasn't actually been all that impressive to begin with. I just don't understand why I'm supposed to be smitten with 9 points and 4 rebounds in 17 mpg in the freakin' NBL. This is not quite James Wiseman level wish casting, but it's not super far off either.

[SpursBills]

If that happens, the question then becomes do the Spurs value Shepherd over Castle? Cause Reed definitely won’t be there at 8 tbh.

Follow up to that: is keldon Johnson worth sacrificing to get both?

[scott]

Follow up to that: is keldon Johnson worth sacrificing to get both?

I think the best way to evaluate this is to consider: what kind of pick should be required to move up from 8 to 5 or 6 to get both? Once you have that, then you can ask - would you trade Keldon to receive that? My feeling is that Keldon is probably worth more than that (I think Keldon is worth an FRP expected to land in the 20s, but a couple of SRPs should be enough to to move from 8 to 6).

[spurraider21]

If that happens, the question then becomes do the Spurs value Shepherd over Castle? Cause Reed definitely won’t be there at 8 tbh.
if the top 4 are Sarr/Risacher/Clingan/Sheppard...

i dont think detroit cares for castle, between Cade/Ausar/Ivey, they have enough work to do there. i think buzelis makes a ton of sense next to Duren for them, or maybe Cody Williams. i think Charlotte is the big threat to take Castle as a connective piece and defensive ace alongside Lamelo and Miller. they also may like Clingan with Mark Williams' health issues, but Clingan is off the board in this scenario as well. they also may like Knecht, but i doubt they take him over Castle. portland doesnt seem like a big threat for Castle imo

[Mr. Body]

Lots of boards are popping with Castle to Charlotte. With him being confirmed as having worked out for them, it seems a clear threat. He's a perfect fit for their needs, a defensive ace and good connector to play off LaMelo who can take over duties when LaMelo inevitably takes the rest of the year off.

[DPG21920]

Yup. If it breaks this way with Sarr, Clingan and Risacher 1-3, then Spurs have a direct path to getting Reed + Castle and should be able to trade up with DET or CHA to get it done.

[Mr. Body]

I previously thought Charlotte would be fine moving back a couple spots given how it seemed Castle didn't want to play there. But if he's really their guy, I think you'd need a rich pot to get up to grab him.

[Mr. Body]

Yup. If it breaks this way with Sarr, Clingan and Risacher 1-3, then Spurs have a direct path to getting Reed + Castle and should be able to trade up with DET or CHA to get it done.

Why do you think Houston takes Risacher? He doesn't seem to fit. They have much better options at the wing already, even if they need shooting. Or do you mean they'd pick and trade him?

[DPG21920]

Why do you think Houston takes Risacher? He doesn't seem to fit. They have much better options at the wing already, even if they need shooting. Or do you mean they'd pick and trade him?

I dont, I think ATL may take Risacher, WAS takes Sarr and HOU takes Clingan…OR ATL takes Clingan, WAS takes Sarr, HOU trades pick and someone nabs Risacher.

[baseline bum]

Follow up to that: is keldon Johnson worth sacrificing to get both?

Hell yes

[Mr. Body]

I dont, I think ATL may take Risacher, WAS takes Sarr and HOU takes Clingan…OR ATL takes Clingan, WAS takes Sarr, HOU trades pick and someone nabs Risacher.

Ah. Ok. To me I'm seeing Clingan-Sarr-Sheppard. I think the Spurs will need to decide whether to take Risacher or someone else, presumably Castle.

[baseline bum]

I'm not buying Houston wants Clingan; they're probably just trying to scare Memphis into trading up to get him.

[Mr. Body]

I'm not buying Houston wants Clingan; they're probably just trying to scare Memphis into trading up to get him.

It's likely they take Sheppard or trade out to whoever wants Clingan. Outside chance of Castle.

[DPG21920]

I'm not buying Houston wants Clingan; they're probably just trying to scare Memphis into trading up to get him.

That would be great because that means Reed falls to SA

[poopbox]

I dont, I think ATL may take Risacher, WAS takes Sarr and HOU takes Clingan…OR ATL takes Clingan, WAS takes Sarr, HOU trades pick and someone nabs Risacher.

Why does Houston take Clingan when they have Sengun? They most certaintly can't play together.

[z0sa]

I feel like we're just going to live through last offseason again. The team has been very clear about what they're going to do and not do. You're free to think they're gonna trade for Trae Young or whatever.

They were very clear that winning was the goal last season.

Why are you so quick to discard any evidence that is contrary to your own opinion?

[Mr. Body]

Charlotte may be going hard for the 3 pick. Charlotte redditors think this may be Reed Sheppard instead of Clingan. All hearsay, however.

This leaves a conundrum -- if Clingan happens to still be on the board. Do the Spurs use him to trade down? If not, it may be crazy that this leaves Houston with the opportunity to trade down to a team that likes Clingan again.

Regardless, there's fire forming around Houston moving off the pick. If they go to 6, then I can see Houston maybe taking a Dalton Knecht.

Outside chance that Charlotte's target really is Castle and they want to jump in front of the Spurs.

[Mr. Body]

They were very clear that winning was the goal last season.


I think you completely misunderstood what they were saying. But, again, you can harbor a fantasy of trading for Trae Young if you want. Nobody's stopping you.

[CGD]

Rumors that three teams are vocal about trading into the 3 spot. Charlotte, Portland, and Memphis, with Hornets and Grizzlies the most aggressive.

One would think the target is Clingan, who might not even be there. Crazy that Donovan Clingan is the massive hinge for this draft. Not something I'd expect.

In the unlikely scenario that Clingan lasts past Houston, I suppose the Spurs could put that pick for sale and trade down. Right now it's hard to think Clingan will last past the first three picks, though, with Houston trading him.

If Houston trades down, they may still get Sheppard. Unlikely, so the play may even be to keep trading down. They don't really need anything from this draft.

Listening to the CHA podcasters, it sounds like they may have fallen in love with Reed? Or they may be wanting to get ahead of SA to take Castle?

At 6 they saw Castle, Reed, and Holland as the targets, with Dalton potentially a dark horse. Not gospel obviously, but theyve been pretty consistent.

[Twisted_Dawg]

can someone tell me, why McCain worked out for the Warriors, when they have only the #52 pick?

sounds as if they have a deal in place, likely for a late lottery pick? what do they give? Podziemsky? (but they say they love him), or maybe a future 1st (low protected?)

ok.....what about this: Warriors trade Podziemski to the Spurs for #8, plus some more assets. (future picks?)

GSW probably has a deal in place to buy pick #35 for $1 million and then pick McCain.

[Joseph Kony]

They were very clear that winning was the goal last season.

Why are you so quick to discard any evidence that is contrary to your own opinion?
He thought the Spurs were winning 40 games last season and would be fighting for the play in :lol now he's trying to backtrack "that's not what they were saying" :lmao :lmao

[z0sa]

I think you completely misunderstood what they were saying. But, again, you can harbor a fantasy of trading for Trae Young if you want. Nobody's stopping you.

:lol what's there to misunderstand? They (including Pop) clearly stated, unequivocally, from before the beginning to the very end of the season, that winning was the goal of everyone on the team.

You're a big fan of not having an opinion and hiding it with stuff like, "they're keeping the powder dry." That's meaningless hand-waving and why you continually rely on strawmen when anyone calls you out for it.

[z0sa]

He thought the Spurs were winning 40 games last season and would be fighting for the play in :lol now he's trying to backtrack "that's not what they were saying" :lmao :lmao

Jesus.. don't want to hijack the thread but if one really thought the Spurs were winning 40, then how one be at all pleased with standing pat some more?

I've got high hopes for this draft, I really do. Perhaps standing pat and developing will be the correct course, but that's no reason to leave PATFO critique-less if they're passing up on Cade or the like for 4 and 8 and Keldon.

[Joseph Kony]

:lol what's there to misunderstand? They (including Pop) clearly stated, unequivocally, from before the beginning to the very end of the season, that winning was the goal of everyone on the team.

You're a big fan of not having an opinion and hiding it with stuff like, "they're keeping the powder dry." That's meaningless hand-waving and why you continually rely on strawmen when anyone calls you out for it.

That's his MO. for example, on the subject of Castle:

Poster A: I'm concerned about his lack of shooting
Poster B: yes, his defense looks stout, but the lack of a shot is a concern
Mrs. Body: So ST thinks defense is meaningless now

Or, on the subject of Dilly:

Poster A: I'm concerned he is too slight at 164
Poster B: yeah, how he will be able to handle NBA Defense at his size is a concern
Mrs. Body: Ok so you're both saying Dillingham is absolute garbage?


rinse, repeat...

[Mugen]

I have no desire to move off #4, there will be a good player that helps this team no matter what. But if they want to use #8 to move up or down then go for it tbh.

[Mr. Body]

Jesus.. don't want to hijack the thread but if one really thought the Spurs were winning 40, then how one be at all pleased with standing pat some more?

I've got high hopes for this draft, I really do. Perhaps standing pat and developing will be the correct course, but that's no reason to leave PATFO critique-less if they're passing up on Cade or the like for 4 and 8 and Keldon.

Yeah, I thought they'd be better than they were. Who gives a shit about what I said? Kinda moving the goals here, yeah? The Spurs clearly said they wanted to learn what worked with Wembanyama and figure things out. If they could win, they'd try to win. Clearly, even to a braindamaged person, that wasn't their primary goal.

And... that's precisely what happened.

Anyway, can you nimrods remove the pointless discussion of whatever player you want to pretend is available and what it would take to get them to the threads clearly marked for those discussions? They're inane and dumb and I feel like I'm losing the will to live having to read about what it would take to get Cade when he's not even on the market. Just... there's a place for those idiotic sewing circles.

[scott]

Another day, another Body temper tantrum. Looks like they usually occur around nap time.

[Mr. Body]

Another day, another Body temper tantrum. Looks like they usually occur around nap time.

Well past naptime. But how am I wrong? Seriously, my little munchkins, the team said over and over they wanted to see what worked for Wemby, and they did.

Now, you're all doing the nursey school thing of dreaming about big, beautiful Cade or lovely dumpling Darius Garland, like you're playing on EA Sports or some dumb shit.

I mean, go ahead. Just... there's a freakin thread for that nonsense, yeah? Go over there.

[scott]

Well past naptime. But how am I wrong? Seriously, my little munchkins, the team said over and over they wanted to see what worked for Wemby, and they did.

Now, you're all doing the nursey school thing of dreaming about big, beautiful Cade or lovely dumpling Darius Garland, like you're playing on EA Sports or some dumb shit.

I mean, go ahead. Just... there's a freakin thread for that nonsense, yeah? Go over there.

"But this year with development, I think one of the important factors to enhance that development, is winning. So winning is as important this year as learning was in the past. So they have to continue to learn but adding more wins I think is appropriate, mandatory, helpful.”

Muh threads

[scott]

Jaylon Tyson getting some buzz as someone to watch for in the late lotto. Not sure we're talked about him at all (largely because we don't pick late lotto)

[Extra Stout]

That's his MO. for example, on the subject of Castle:

Poster A: I'm concerned about his lack of shooting
Poster B: yes, his defense looks stout, but the lack of a shot is a concern
Mrs. Body: So ST thinks defense is meaningless now

Or, on the subject of Dilly:

Poster A: I'm concerned he is too slight at 164
Poster B: yeah, how he will be able to handle NBA Defense at his size is a concern
Mrs. Body: Ok so you're both saying Dillingham is absolute garbage?


rinse, repeat...
One of the things I have learned about these forums over twenty some odd years is that the posters with the biggest character flaws never fix them. Rather, they crystallize and become even more set in their ways. The normal posters grow up, mature, and sand off the rough edges, but the worst ones will be what they are until they die.

[z0sa]

Yeah, I thought they'd be better than they were. Who gives a shit about what I said? Kinda moving the goals here, yeah? The Spurs clearly said they wanted to learn what worked with Wembanyama and figure things out. If they could win, they'd try to win. Clearly, even to a braindamaged person, that wasn't their primary goal.

And... that's precisely what happened.

Anyway, can you nimrods remove the pointless discussion of whatever player you want to pretend is available and what it would take to get them to the threads clearly marked for those discussions? They're inane and dumb and I feel like I'm losing the will to live having to read about what it would take to get Cade when he's not even on the market. Just... there's a place for those idiotic sewing circles.

You've already forgotten both what Pop said and what you posted. Not surprised.

Are the values of Spurs draft picks in the 2024 draft relevant to the 2024 NBA draft? A simple yes or no will suffice. One assumes you don't want to derail the thread even further.

[TD 21]

The fine line of patience and paralysis by analysis. Those who do it right, succeed.

That and the apologists/homers can stop pretending that if they gave up a few assets and it led to anything less than a championship, they'd be doomed.

The Celtics and Mavericks have constantly done just that for years and that is generally how you get to or near the top.

The utopian existence the Spurs enjoyed during the Duncan era, that they seem to think/hope will just happen again organically, was an outlier.


I'm not worried about where Sarr goes, because he's a theoretical player who projects to a not-so-valuable archetype (rim running big) and hasn't actually been all that impressive to begin with. I just don't understand why I'm supposed to be smitten with 9 points and 4 rebounds in 17 mpg in the freakin' NBL. This is not quite James Wiseman level wish casting, but it's not super far off either.

You were doing so well. . . now I'm forced to hit you with an obligatory :lmao at counting stats without context in '24.



Like I said tbh. I think this is legit. Clingan or a trade at 3 for the Rockets. They need someone to throw at Wemby moving forward cause Sengun ain’t the guy to do it. Clingan feels like a very Ime Udoka pick tbh.

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Brooks gave Wembanyama the most difficulty last season.

Clingan is more a Jokic/Embiid defender.

[Joseph Kony]

I feel like I'm losing the will to live
:tu kill yourself

[Mugen]

:tu kill yourself

:lmao

[Leetonidas]

Like I said tbh. I think this is legit. Clingan or a trade at 3 for the Rockets. They need someone to throw at Wemby moving forward cause Sengun ain’t the guy to do it. Clingan feels like a very Ime Udoka pick tbh.

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Please let this happen, or the rumored deal of 3rd pick to Memphis for Smart so they can Clingan. Guarantees us one of Risacher, Sheppard, or Castle will be there at 4.

I wasn't high on Sheppard to begin with but as the weeks go by i'm becoming more of a believer in what he can bring to our offense.

[scott]

You were doing so well. . . now I'm forced to hit you with an obligatory :lmao at counting stats without context in '24.






Maybe you can enlighten me on the context? Because I'm not seeing it. I personally don't see much more than a Jalen Duren-type.

[SpursFan86]

You guys see the Don Harris tweet? Posting from phone so pain in the ass to link but came out of left field…claims an NBA executive told him Castle is very much in play at #1 to Atlanta, Salaun’s stock is rising, and the only thing that seems like a lock is Sheppard at 3 to Houston.

Not sure I buy it, all the ATL talk thus far has been centered around Clingan/Risacher. Castle would be a major surprise.

[TD 21]

Maybe you can enlighten me on the context? Because I'm not seeing it. I personally don't see much more than a Jalen Duren-type.

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on the Perth Wildcats, but the league does seem to be rapidly gaining traction as one of the better ones outside of the NBA and he's essentially a kid.

I would think that is why the minutes are relatively low, as well as the counting stats.

Granted, he's not an offensive hub or strong rebounder either, so outside of blocks he probably won't pile them up period.

Claxton looks like the closest archetype.

[Leetonidas]

You guys see the Don Harris tweet? Posting from phone so pain in the ass to link but came out of left field…claims an NBA executive told him Castle is very much in play at #1 to Atlanta, Salaun’s stock is rising, and the only thing that seems like a lock is Sheppard at 3 to Houston.

Not sure I buy it, all the ATL talk thus far has been centered around Clingan/Risacher. Castle would be a major surprise.

Here ya go:

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[Leetonidas]

If Sarr makes it to 4...we have to take him, right?

[BatManu20]

Damn. OKC just got better.

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[spurraider21]

If Sarr makes it to 4...we have to take him, right?
if risacher/reed are unavailable, then yeah. he's next on my board at that point. then dillingham becomes to ideal pick at 8

[Pauleta14]

Damn. OKC just got better.

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Why would the Bulls do that after saying they want to compete??

It's a steal for Okc smh

[Ariel]

Damn. OKC just got better.

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I don't give a f*ck about OKC getting better, but I do give a f*ck about Chicago getting worse.

[Vienna]

Jaylon Tyson getting some buzz as someone to watch for in the late lotto. Not sure we're talked about him at all (largely because we don't pick late lotto)

I noticed that James Barlow called him his top riser on his last podcast. He compared him to Knecht and called him the better prospect and a lottery candidate. (not that Barlow didn‘t change his mind often. Same like his brother).
but I think he has a point, Tyson might have been somehow overlooked over the last months. He is pretty big and strong and he does a lot of things well, can even play some point. might become a surprise on draft night.

[exstatic]

Yall are crazy RE: Cade. He is easily worth the ATL picks IMO and I wouldn’t hesitate if that was actually the cost/possible.

Regarding the draft, I really, really hope it starts out Clingan to ATL and Risacher to WAS. That puts HOU in a spot where if they want Reed (which is who I want most for SA) then they have to let Sarr fall to SA and Im sure that will not make them very happy to do it.

Then there could be a chance SA walks away with Sarr and Castle (with Castle maybe falling to 8 or via trade up with Detroit for 5 using pick 8 + something)

He’s not worth the ATL picks. He had one good year, a developmental leap spurred by a coach that just got fired. I’d wait until he can replicate that.

[exstatic]

I admire anyone who can claim anything with such certainty considering the state of the league in 2024 and all the shit that goes down with noone ever expecting it.

I think he’s talking about the Spurs, not league wide. SA has pretty much let it be known that they don’t feel this is the year to spend draft assets to make a big star player splash.

[exstatic]

I feel like we're just going to live through last offseason again. The team has been very clear about what they're going to do and not do. You're free to think they're gonna trade for Trae Young or whatever.

I don’t think it will be like last season, but agree that they’re not star hunting this year. They’ll probably do what Houston did last year, and add a couple of vets.

[exstatic]

If that happens, the question then becomes do the Spurs value Shepherd over Castle? Cause Reed definitely won’t be there at 8 tbh.

Neither will Castle.

[rjv]

You guys see the Don Harris tweet? Posting from phone so pain in the ass to link but came out of left field…claims an NBA executive told him Castle is very much in play at #1 to Atlanta, Salaun’s stock is rising, and the only thing that seems like a lock is Sheppard at 3 to Houston.

Not sure I buy it, all the ATL talk thus far has been centered around Clingan/Risacher. Castle would be a major surprise.

i'm sure don harris has been right about something. i just can't remember when.

[scott]

I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on the Perth Wildcats, but the league does seem to be rapidly gaining traction as one of the better ones outside of the NBA and he's essentially a kid.

I would think that is why the minutes are relatively low, as well as the counting stats.

Granted, he's not an offensive hub or strong rebounder either, so outside of blocks he probably won't pile them up period.

Claxton looks like the closest archetype.

Claxton makes a lot of sense too... but it doesn't really change my overall feelings. I wouldn't take Jalen Duren or Nic Claxton top 10, even in this draft. Definitely not someone I feel "we can't pass up" if he slides to #4.

I of course readily acknowledge this take may age very poorly and maybe Sarr will be great. I just can't see it.

[Mr. Body]

You guys see the Don Harris tweet? Posting from phone so pain in the ass to link but came out of left field…claims an NBA executive told him Castle is very much in play at #1 to Atlanta, Salaun’s stock is rising, and the only thing that seems like a lock is Sheppard at 3 to Houston.

Not sure I buy it, all the ATL talk thus far has been centered around Clingan/Risacher. Castle would be a major surprise.

Feels like Atlanta was dangling Risacher as bait to get the Spurs to move up. That didn't work, so now they're dangling Castle.

[RC_Drunkford]

Damn. OKC just got better.

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great, Chicago now has 2 starters who can't shoot 3s in DeRozan and Giddey. This should be bad enough for them to miss the playoffs, but they also have to be good enough for our pick to convert.

[rascal]

You guys see the Don Harris tweet? Posting from phone so pain in the ass to link but came out of left field…claims an NBA executive told him Castle is very much in play at #1 to Atlanta, Salaun’s stock is rising, and the only thing that seems like a lock is Sheppard at 3 to Houston.

Not sure I buy it, all the ATL talk thus far has been centered around Clingan/Risacher. Castle would be a major surprise.

Trying to bait the Spurs into sending them their picks back.

[exstatic]

You guys see the Don Harris tweet? Posting from phone so pain in the ass to link but came out of left field…claims an NBA executive told him Castle is very much in play at #1 to Atlanta, Salaun’s stock is rising, and the only thing that seems like a lock is Sheppard at 3 to Houston.

Not sure I buy it, all the ATL talk thus far has been centered around Clingan/Risacher. Castle would be a major surprise.

I honestly won’t be surprised by any top 10 projected pick going #1. It might be that ATL will move on from DJ, and use Castle as his replacement. Bad idea, though. This is the exact kind of team Castle didn’t want to go to, and an already unhappy locker room will likely get worse. Good for us, though, I guess.

[Mr. Body]

great, Chicago now has 2 starters who can't shoot 3s in DeRozan and Giddey. This should be bad enough for them to miss the playoffs, but they also have to be good enough for our pick to convert.

Did anyone expect the pick to convey next year? The following two, it drops down to 1-8 protections.

[DPG21920]

CHI sucks so bad though. I cannot believe they didnt get a pick from OKC - that’s just ridiculous

If Giddey was worth Caruso, Keldon definitely worth pick 5

[Mr. Body]

CHI sucks so bad though. I cannot believe they didnt get a pick from OKC - that’s just ridiculous

If Giddey was worth Caruso, Keldon definitely worth pick 5

Why would they get a pick? Caruso has a single year on his contract left.

[TD 21]

CHI sucks so bad though. I cannot believe they didnt get a pick from OKC - that’s just ridiculous

If Giddey was worth Caruso, Keldon definitely worth pick 5

I knew this false equivalency was coming from you.

Giddey still has the sheen of a relatively high lottery pick, youth and even though he can't shoot or defend, he's a much better creator for self and others, as well as rebounder than Johnson.

That can always be marketed to treadmill teams like the Bulls (and the constituencies they need to sell it to), who ownership refuses to allow to re-build.

[exstatic]

CHI sucks so bad though. I cannot believe they didnt get a pick from OKC - that’s just ridiculous

If Giddey was worth Caruso, Keldon definitely worth pick 5

I think neither team wanted to pay their player, and while Caruso is objectively better, he’s also objectively 30 and on an ending contract.

[mystargtr34]

Why do people think this move for the Bulls is for tanking purposes? They could have easily traded Caruso for future picks, instead they got a player of value back who can help them now.

Not saying it was a good move but Giddey is still a net positive player albeit marginally.

[DPG21920]

Why would they get a pick? Caruso has a single year on his contract left.

Because Caruso is better, Giddey was unplayable for OKC when it matters and they had to trade him since they are a title hopeful team and they have a ridiculous amount of picks and Caruso was a very valued played by virtually any good team?

[DPG21920]

I knew this false equivalency was coming from you.

Giddey still has the sheen of a relatively high lottery pick, youth and even though he can't shoot or defend, he's a much better creator for self and others, as well as rebounder than Johnson.

That can always be marketed to treadmill teams like the Bulls (and the constituencies they need to sell it to), who ownership refuses to allow to re-build.

Nah. It’s just shows you it’s situational. Keldon has shown playmaking stretches, better 3PT shooting stretches etc….you can make any narrative work. Fact is, Giddey value had tanked pretty good Im guessing situationally and Bulls just sh*t the bed some (even if I don’t think getting Giddey is bad; its just not good value given circumstances)

Just takes one team, in the right situation to value someone like Keldon like this IMO (flat draft, wanting to win while staying young, etc…)

[PhantomDashCam]

Jaylon Tyson getting some buzz as someone to watch for in the late lotto. Not sure we're talked about him at all (largely because we don't pick late lotto)

Interesting. I’m pretty sure that was him in the Salaun video TP posted on his Insta. Some speculated it was Devin Carter.

[exstatic]

Because Caruso is better, Giddey was unplayable for OKC when it matters and they had to trade him since they are a title hopeful team and they have a ridiculous amount of picks and Caruso was a very valued played by virtually any good team?

Caruso is better, but he’s also older. This is a one year move, since OKC is headed for cap jail very soon.

[TD 21]

Nah. It’s just shows you it’s situational. Keldon has showing playmaking stretches, better 3PT shooting stretches etc….you can make any narrative work. Fact is, Giddey value had tanked pretty good Im guessing situationally and Bulls just sh*t the bed some (even if I don’t think getting Giddey is bad; its just not good value given circumstances)

Johnson is not a p-n-r initiator, he's not a spacer, he's not a rim runner and he's not a defender. What he is, is a younger veteran, net negative player, without a defined role.

I'm no Giddey fan and don't like the trade for the Bulls, I'm just saying there's a difference here.

[Mr. Body]

Because Caruso is better, Giddey was unplayable for OKC when it matters and they had to trade him since they are a title hopeful team and they have a ridiculous amount of picks and Caruso was a very valued played by virtually any good team?

Giddey was unplayable because they run an SGA-dominant offense where they had to stick Giddey in the corner. It's not like he's an awful basketball player. He just didn't work there.

I'm not sure about the fit with Chicago, but he's 21 years old, fills the stat sheet fairly well, and can organize an offense. Spending a role-player who won't stay with you to get him isn't a bad move.

Feels weird on both sides in some ways. OKC could see Caruso basically done in a few years while Giddey will at least be pretty good in Chicago. Seems short-sighted, although maybe he wins them a couple playoff games.

[DPG21920]

Johnson is not a p-n-r initiator, he's not a spacer, he's not a rim runner and he's not a defender. What he is, is a younger veteran, net negative player, without a defined role.

I'm no Giddey fan and don't like the trade for the Bulls, I'm just saying there's a difference here.

I dont think Keldons value is lower than Giddey after what we just saw and Giddey netted maybe the most coveted role player in the league straight up. One that reports said was getting multiple first round picks offers including top 10.

[DPG21920]

Giddey was unplayable because they run an SGA-dominant offense where they had to stick Giddey in the corner. It's not like he's an awful basketball player. He just didn't work there.

I'm not sure about the fit with Chicago, but he's 21 years old, fills the stat sheet fairly well, and can organize an offense. Spending a role-player who won't stay with you to get him isn't a bad move.

Feels weird on both sides in some ways. OKC could see Caruso basically done in a few years while Giddey will at least be pretty good in Chicago. Seems short-sighted, although maybe he wins them a couple playoff games.

Ya that’s fair - he wasn’t unplayable in the NBA so there is some context and he should do better with CHI so it’s not that. I just feel it was awful value for CHI even if I understand getting Giddey for Caruso from just a player perspective makes sense.

[Kurik]

OKC has 20 SRPs through 2030, you’d think the Bulls could have gotten a pick or swap at the very least.

[Knoxxx]

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Thank your sir, never heard of him!

[Splits]

Who gives a shit about what I said?

Nobody. Please stop posting

[TD 21]

I dont think Keldons value is lower than Giddey after what we just saw and Giddey netted maybe the most coveted role player in the league straight up. One that reports said was getting multiple first round picks offers including top 10.

What we just saw was Giddey forced to play an off-ball role on a championship contender. Now he'll get to play a more suited on-ball role on a treadmill team.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Keldon’s value is lower in ST than anywhere else. I have seen talking heads call him the Spurs 2nd best player.

[Mr. Body]

Keldon’s value is lower in ST than anywhere else. I have seen talking heads call him the Spurs 2nd best player.

SpursTalk despises Spurs players.

[onechance87]

Keldon’s value is lower in ST than anywhere else. I have seen talking heads call him the Spurs 2nd best player.

well yea....We all saw him play this year.They obviously didnt watch him to be calling him the 2nd best player is madness.

[LeBowen]

Lmao as if talking heads know shit about current Spurs roster.

[Mr. Body]

If OKC does it, ST thinks it's the greatest thing of all time and ovulate en masse while ululating orgasmically into the darkened skies of their dead planet.

If it's a Spurs player, they shred him mercilessly like crabs dying in a bucket.

[CGD]

Why would the Bulls do that after saying they want to compete??

It's a steal for Okc smh

The Bulls got an asset for a player on an expiring that wants a big extension. They can’t afford that with all the other trash deals on their books, plus the trash deal they’re about to give DDR. Instead, they defer that decision for a season, get RFA rights on Giddy, and get their Lonzo replacement.

I think CHI made (shocker!) a smart here.

[CGD]

If OKC does it, ST thinks it's the greatest thing of all time and ovulate en masse while ululating orgasmically into the darkened skies of their dead planet.

If it's a Spurs player, they shred him mercilessly like crabs dying in a bucket.

God bless

[TekXX]

SpursTalk despises Spurs players.

Go to reddit if you don't want honest and accurate opinions about the real value of our roster.

[cutewizard]

the tradesssssssssssssssss begin

[cutewizard]

hmmmm

Giddey

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD6qP3_fDio

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiHJVe8Fpto

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlTuBBOECBI

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTfWE0Swnxk

[Mr. Body]

Go to reddit if you don't want honest and accurate opinions about the real value of our roster.

:lol you mean nbaspurs where everyone is doe-eyed in love with Zaccharie Risacher? :lol

[Pauleta14]

The Bulls got an asset for a player on an expiring that wants a big extension. They can’t afford that with all the other trash deals on their books, plus the trash deal they’re about to give DDR. Instead, they defer that decision for a season, get RFA rights on Giddy, and get their Lonzo replacement.

I think CHI made (shocker!) a smart here.

Yeah makes sense

I thought they were going to keep him when they acted ambitious

[3&D_TBH]

Just stopped in to get a sense for whether or not others see Sarr slipping like I do, but instead I find people telling others to kill themselves. Hahah Same old same old.

[TekXX]

Spurs are going to take Castle and Salaun

[3&D_TBH]

If I had to bet money I would guess Castle and Carter

[Mr. Body]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg1mLxcyQTs

No Ceilings latest talk-through mock has their top going Clingan-Castle-Sheppard.

I do agree that there's a strong opportunity for the Wizards to take Castle. There's no reason to think Sarr is a given there. Risacher makes no sense whatsoever. They have Castle extremely high. They discuss whether the Spurs would then take Sarr.

[objective]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg1mLxcyQTs

No Ceilings latest talk-through mock has their top going Clingan-Castle-Sheppard.

I do agree that there's a strong opportunity for the Wizards to take Castle. There's no reason to think Sarr is a given there. Risacher makes no sense whatsoever. They have Castle extremely high. They discuss whether the Spurs would then take Sarr.

Coincidentally I started watching this before your post

Fascinating how widely varied Draftniks are in their top guys. Of course we all knew it would be that kind of draft but the closer to draft night people are splintering rather than coalescing. One of these Taylors with Castle #1, Givony has been Risacher, Vecenie I think has been Sarr, Pfeifer has Sarr and Holland as his top 2, KOC has a new #1 every time I look, I've heard other guys with Holland, some people still carry the torch for Buzelis and I've heard people that have Dillingham #1.

Entertaining for sure

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSTRrv57IQA

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqaJKTjRgCQ

[Vienna]

seems like the myriad of draft experts start to panik. there have been so many different mocks out there (more than ever I guess) and now they are like....hey, we need to pull out something no other mock has ever brought up. who has never been put at #1?? damn, almost everybody has been there at some point........ok, can't find a mock with Salaun at #1. so, let's start from this and claim teams are so impressed with his workouts and we put Salaun on the top. (note...I completely made this up, don't ask for a source)

the funny thing is, there's so much talk about who is falling, Sarr, Risacher, Topic, Dillingham, Buzelis, Holland, Collier, Flip, and so on. the final mock will look like a list of guys they forgot to push down. that way a guy like da Silva will end up top ten on some boards.

[Mr. Body]

seems like the myriad of draft experts start to panik. there have been so many different mocks out there (more than ever I guess) and now they are like....hey, we need to pull out something no other mock has ever brought up. who has never been put at #1?? damn, almost everybody has been there at some point........ok, can't find a mock with Salaun at #1. so, let's start from this and claim teams are so impressed with his workouts and we put Salaun on the top. (note...I completely made this up, don't ask for a source)

the funny thing is, there's so much talk about who is falling, Sarr, Risacher, Topic, Dillingham, Buzelis, Holland, Collier, Flip, and so on. the final mock will look like a list of guys they forgot to push down. that way a guy like da Silva will end up top ten on some boards.

I'd say the tendency is the opposite, for mocks to start conforming to each other. No one wants to be dinged in the future for making a mistake.

But this year is so impossible to guage and the intel is so hard to get certain that many mockers are trying out a lot of different ideas or sticking with personal preferences.

[exstatic]

I saw a podcast where someone said that no player should get too attached to the hat they’re given on stage. Gonna be some activity.

[BatManu20]

New BR mock has the Grizzlies trading up to the #4 spot in a 3-team deal including the Spurs.





Memphis Grizzlies receive: No. 4 pick and Keldon Johnson

San Antonio Spurs receive: Marcus Smart, Ziaire Williams, No. 9 pick, No. 39 pick and a 2025 second-round pick (via MEM, HOU or OKC)



If the Grizzlies try and fail to get up to No. 3, this front office would be doing backflips if Clingan dropped to No. 4.

Their frontcourt could use a glass-cleaning, shot-blocking, close-range-finishing big body in the middle, and Clingan just filled that very role on consecutive national championship teams at UConn.

Losing Smart's leadership, experience and table-setting would sting, but he has always appeared on paper as a less-than-ideal fit with Ja Morant. Johnson wouldn't be the focus of this deal, but his scoring punch and downhill attacking could be helpful to have nonetheless.

The Spurs, meanwhile, seem likely to pick up a playmaker, and Smart brings that label to both ends. A defense featuring him as the head of the snake and Victor Wembanyama on the back end sounds like a nightmare—even before accounting for the long-limbed duo of Devin Vassell and Jeremy Sochan—and Smart's vision could help give the big fella cleaner looks than he found during his rookie season.

The Spurs also add three picks to keep or trade, plus they get the chance to see what happens when they run Williams through their famed developmental program.






They also have Charlotte trading up to 3 in a 3-team deal to take Sheppard. It says the Hornets, Blazers, and Grizzlies have all reached out to HOU about trading up for that pick.


I would hate this trade personally. Smart is already 30 years old and doesn't fit Wemby's timeline at all. He also only has 2 years left on his deal. Makes very little sense for the Spurs so I don't think it happens. Decided to post anyways.


10125486-2024-nba-mock-draft-with-5-trades-in-round-1 (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10125486-2024-nba-mock-draft-with-5-trades-in-round-1)

[BatManu20]

They also have us trading our newly acquired 9th pick via MEM to the Bulls for #11 where we take Dilly fwiw. None of this is going to happen though.

[TimmehC]

I would take Keldon over Smart at this point in their careers. And Ziaire would be the first cut in training camp. Do these guys even think about what they're proposing lmao

[CGD]

New BR mock has the Grizzlies trading up to the #4 spot in a 3-team deal including the Spurs.






They also have Charlotte trading up to 3 in a 3-team deal to take Sheppard. It says the Hornets, Blazers, and Grizzlies have all reached out to HOU about trading up for that pick.


I would hate this trade personally. Smart is already 30 years old and doesn't fit Wemby's timeline at all. He also only has 2 years left on his deal. Makes very little sense for the Spurs so I don't think it happens. Decided to post anyways.


10125486-2024-nba-mock-draft-with-5-trades-in-round-1 (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10125486-2024-nba-mock-draft-with-5-trades-in-round-1)

Do these guys even try? Awful trade. The draft evaluators are terrible at the rumor mill stuff.

[Pauleta14]

If I had to bet money I would guess Castle and Carter

2 very close pofiles tho

It's make more sense to add a foward to either guard

I think Carter is only an option if castle isn't available

[Pauleta14]

Smart to the Spurs might be the stupidest idea of the summer tbh

Bad playmaker and bad shoter, just what we need...

[Mr. Body]

2 very close pofiles tho

It's make more sense to add a foward to either guard

I think Carter is only an option if castle isn't available

If Carter is the top guy at 8 and they already have Castle, then I'd still take Carter. The guard rotation is completely open and have two bust-your-chops guys who can play hardass d and know how to play on the other end would be great. I think they'd both transition pretty quickly, too.

[LeBowen]

If Carter is the top guy at 8 and they already have Castle, then I'd still take Carter. The guard rotation is completely open and have two bust-your-chops guys who can play hardass d and know how to play on the other end would be great. I think they'd both transition pretty quickly, too.

If Carter's shot keeps developing, two of them and Devin could play together against most lineups.

I'm personally torn between Carter and taking a chance with Dillingham. PATFO probably aren't. It would surely be Carter.
Especially if Blazers take Salaun at #7.

[Uriel]

Like I said tbh. I think this is legit. Clingan or a trade at 3 for the Rockets. They need someone to throw at Wemby moving forward cause Sengun ain’t the guy to do it. Clingan feels like a very Ime Udoka pick tbh.

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Hopefully Atlanta sees this and feels the urgency to draft Clingan at #1. Then Sarr goes to Washington at 2 and Sheppard at 3 as expected.

[$pursDynasty]

Atlanta's #1 pick plus the Instagram Baller (Murray) for #4, #8 and one of Atlanta's unprotected picks back, allowing them to tank to their hearts content one season. Allowing the Spurs to go either Rishacher with that top pick at their SF of the future or if they aren't as sold on him as many are, go get Sarr as their defensive and rebounding PF/C to allow Wemby to float PLUS have their defensive PG that isn't too old. Draft picks are never a sure thing speaking of the ATL picks but this way you get one proven player and hopefully a player with tremendous upside for three picks. Atlanta has to be desperate to be able to tank since they don't really look like a title contender right now as constructed.

[Uriel]

After reading the latest intel from all the mocks, I think the Spurs’ plan is this:

1. If Risacher and Sheppard aren’t available at #4, draft Castle at 4 and the best available wing (Knecht/Williams) at 8
2. If Risacher isn’t available at #4 but Sheppard is, draft Sheppard at 4 and the best available wing (Knecht/Williams) at 8
4. If Risacher is available at #4, draft him and then Carter at 8

[Mr. Body]

After reading the latest intel from all the mocks, I think the Spurs’ plan is this:

1. If Risacher and Sheppard aren’t available at #4, draft Castle at 4 and the best available wing (Knecht/Williams) at 8
2. If Risacher isn’t available at #4 but Sheppard is, draft Sheppard at 4 and the best available wing (Knecht/Williams) at 8
4. If Risacher is available at #4, draft him and then Carter at 8

I think Risacher isn't the top of their board but that Castle is. I wouldn't be surprised to see Risacher slide to Detroit.

[FireMicoHalili]

I'd say the tendency is the opposite, for mocks to start conforming to each other. No one wants to be dinged in the future for making a mistake.

But this year is so impossible to guage and the intel is so hard to get certain that many mockers are trying out a lot of different ideas or sticking with personal preferences.
these clowns get the occasional shame parade on Twitter but there isn't much with which to hold them accountable. I'd really want to know their success rates predicting picks on difficult drafts like this one.

[FireMicoHalili]

we are ending up with Salaun and Devin Carter and we are going to like it :fight

[R. DeMurre]

After reading the latest intel from all the mocks, I think the Spurs’ plan is this:



I doubt the Spurs' plan has any correlation with mock drafts at all.

[NASpurs]

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

The Ringer has our boy at #1

[Degoat]

Crazy that KOC has Salaun ranked ahead of Sarr and Risacher.

[LeBowen]

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

The Ringer has our boy at #1

At this point, KOC is just anonther hot take artist.

He's got Castle at #1 on his big board, but he thinks he'll slide all the way to #6 in his mock draft.


The Blazers already have Deandre Ayton at center, but what’s stopping them from trying to build a massive frontcourt?

Look at this shit. :lmao

[Ariel]

After reading the latest intel from all the mocks, I think the Spurs’ plan is this:

1. If Risacher and Sheppard aren’t available at #4, draft Castle at 4 and the best available wing (Knecht/Williams) at 8
2. If Risacher isn’t available at #4 but Sheppard is, draft Sheppard at 4 and the best available wing (Knecht/Williams) at 8
4. If Risacher is available at #4, draft him and then Carter at 8
My fear is that the FO's "best wing" is actually Salaun (:drunk), so if they take a guard at 4 he's the pick at 8. If that's the case I think I'd rather go with Risacher & Carter, even if they're not my first options at either spot. Not a lot of star power, but the best bet to get 2 eventually good starters that fit: high character guys with positional size that can shoot and defend. And hope you can find your high upside guy next draft, or via free agency or trade.

[SpursFan86]

https://sports.yahoo.com/with-bulls-roster-shakeup-underway-is-zach-lavine-the-next-piece-on-the-move-150136313.html


San Antonio (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/san-antonio/) has also made the No. 8 pick available, sources said

Very small tidbit in a fairly big article but fwiw.

[Leetonidas]

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

The Ringer has our boy at #1

Reed being described as shades of D. White and Nash...sounds like he should be the #1 pick if that's true

[Mr. Body]

My fear is that the FO's "best wing" is actually Salaun (:drunk), so if they take a guard at 4 he's the pick at 8. If that's the case I think I'd rather go with Risacher & Carter, even if they're not my first options at either spot.

The wings have sadly wound up fairly poor. I think I might have Buzelis at the top of them. I simply don't believe in Risacher whatsoever or, rather, that high. I'd take a try at him at 8.

Salaun is a huge no to me, and if they take him at 8, then it must be as a favor for Wembanyama. For all the 'he works hard' narrative, he's awful at very basic things about basketball.

Guards are where it's at, y'all.

[Mr. Body]

Reed being described as shades of D. White and Nash...sounds like he should be the #1 pick if that's true

Community Notes: Doesn't have any of the incredible ball-handling or passing sorcery of Steve Nash or ability to bomb away on the move, but he does look kind of like Steve Nash.

[spurraider21]

If Carter is the top guy at 8 and they already have Castle, then I'd still take Carter. The guard rotation is completely open and have two bust-your-chops guys who can play hardass d and know how to play on the other end would be great. I think they'd both transition pretty quickly, too.
Wow, another spurstalk moron who hates branham and Wesley

[Mr. Body]

Wow, another spurstalk moron who hates branham and Wesley

Yeah, I think Wesley is about done with the Spurs. Branham still has room but my guess is they think of him more as a wing at this point.

[The Truth #6]

Yeah, I think Wesley is about done with the Spurs. Branham still has room but my guess is they think of him more as a wing at this point.

Why do you hate current Spurs players????

[Mr. Body]

Why do you hate current Spurs players????

How is that hating them.

[LeBowen]

How is that hating them.

It is according to your standards of berating anyone who criticizes Spurs players.

[widowmaker]

Castle at #4 Carter at #8 Done. Pick up a couple of bigs in the second round Done.

[Mr. Body]

It is according to your standards of berating anyone who criticizes Spurs players.

No, what I'm against is whenever one of these players misses a shot or has a bad game, a gaggle of idiots stampede in to crow about how awesome it is and laugh and clap your hands childishly and do happy dances.

Do you get the difference? It's pretty clear, and has always been clear. It's really on you for pretending you don't.

[Uriel]

I think Risacher isn't the top of their board but that Castle is. I wouldn't be surprised to see Risacher slide to Detroit.
I would be extremely surprised to see that. Most mocks I’ve seen have Risacher as #1 on the Spurs’ big board, including timvp’s. Not making a judgment on whether that’s a good or bad thing, I’m just saying that’s the way it is.

[MultiTroll]

If the Spurs can do something for the 2028 season to feature these chicks as part of the return of the Silver Dancers, I'm down.

Perhaps trade a Chicago 2032 2R pick for acquiring the rights to Blue Sweats now. Along with Tyra.

Who is the 'blue sweatpants girl' on TikTok being compared to Tyla? (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/who-is-the-blue-sweatpants-girl-on-tiktok-being-compared-to-tyla/ar-BB1oyOkD?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=a34ffa72a62f4a1baca44fb396fd3522&ei=35)

[LeBowen]

No, what I'm against is whenever one of these players misses a shot or has a bad game, a gaggle of idiots stampede in to crow about how awesome it is and laugh and clap your hands childishly and do happy dances.

Do you get the difference? It's pretty clear, and has always been clear. It's really on you for pretending you don't.

Last week I made a fairly long post about Jeremy's inefficency that's a hinderance to the entire team, provided the numbers and was as objective as possible.
You replied with a borderline schizophrenic post where you just repeatedly kept telling me to fuck myself.

[Leetonidas]

Mr. Body actually thinks people are happy that Branham and Wesley suck :lol

[Pauleta14]

If Carter is the top guy at 8 and they already have Castle, then I'd still take Carter. The guard rotation is completely open and have two bust-your-chops guys who can play hardass d and know how to play on the other end would be great. I think they'd both transition pretty quickly, too.

I agree with the logic but there's something unpractical, whether it's the limited PT or the discourse. Hard to tell a prospect he's "your" guy when you're basically put him in a long term interview with another dude.

That's what PATFO are paid for, make choices. They have a lot more infos at their disposal than we do, to do so.

[Pauleta14]

I think Risacher isn't the top of their board but that Castle is. I wouldn't be surprised to see Risacher slide to Detroit.

He would be so mad :lol

It's probably his worst destination

[couchman]

Branham and Wesley have just one year left to show that they can be part of Wemby’s future before they get passed over.
They might not even have that much time depending on who we draft this week.
Whether by draft or trade we are adding a good amount of new talent in the next 13 months.
I tend to think Branham has the better chance to stick but we’ll see if either added to their games this summer or not.

[z0sa]

Branham and Wesley have just one year left to show that they can be part of Wemby’s future before they get passed over.
They might not even have that much time depending on who we draft this week.
Whether by draft or trade we are adding a good amount of new talent in the next 13 months.
I tend to think Branham has the better chance to stick but we’ll see if either added to their games this summer or not.

I agree tentatively, but I'm rooting more for Wesley. He has a Lindsey Hunter-type mold, someone off the bench who could develop into one of the best PG POA defenders in the League. That could be useful vs SGA or Ant. Obviously, he's only shown brief flashes but he has the length, athleticism and tenacity to make it work if he can figure out some way to contribute meaningfully offensively. Again, this is highly speculative and I doubt either player is in the League in 5 years - and if one is, I'd bet on Branham as well. Just hoping Wesley comes through more, personally.

[timtonymanu]

Mr. Body actually thinks people are happy that Branham and Wesley suck :lol

That guy can barely comprehend posts most of the time and talks out of his ass. I don't remember people hoping that Branham and Wesley suck, just that they aren't that good that you would keep them in favor of more established players. Branham also had that one hot streak where Mr.Body was like "dur dur I told you he was good," only for branham to go back to playing like a scrub. I would love it if both guys do well. We laugh at Body's retarded takes, not at the failures of Branham and Wesley.

[DPG21920]

In thinking about it, worst case scenario for Spurs would be Risacher to ATL, Sarr to Was and Reed to HOU.

I dont see SA wanting Clingan so that doesnt help us in any way conceivably.

However, IF the draft starts with either Clingan, Sarr, Reed or Clingan, Risacher, Reed, then I think that scenario is perfect for SA to trade up from pick 8 to pick 5 or 6 and walk away with either Sarr + Castle or Risacher + Castle.

But if Clingan doesn’t go top 3, then it’s less desirable. I would be happy with 2 of 4: Sarr, Reed, Castle, Risacher.

[DPG21920]

Or theres a scenario where Sarr is available at 4 and now SA can effectively trade back for real value for a team that may want Sarr. Open to that as well. Just hoping Clingan goes top 3.

[wildbill2u]

If you had to make choice between Wesley and Dillingham, which do you think would be the better future guard?

[Mugen]

In thinking about it, worst case scenario for Spurs would be Risacher to ATL, Sarr to Was and Reed to HOU.

I dont see SA wanting Clingan so that doesnt help us in any way conceivably.

However, IF the draft starts with either Clingan, Sarr, Reed or Clingan, Risacher, Reed, then I think that scenario is perfect for SA to trade up from pick 8 to pick 5 or 6 and walk away with either Sarr + Castle or Risacher + Castle.

But if Clingan doesn’t go top 3, then it’s less desirable. I would be happy with 2 of 4: Sarr, Reed, Castle, Risacher.

Castle + one of Devin Carter, Saluan and Knecht is fine with me tbh.

The real worst case scenario for them would be 1. Risacher 2. Castle 3. Sheppard.

I don't trust BWrong to trade down if that happens and I really don't want them picking Sarr and having to make that fit work.

[Joseph Kony]

Mr. Body actually thinks people are happy that Branham and Wesley suck :lol
He doesn't understand the commentary of a ST game thread :lol

[Mr. Body]

If you had to make choice between Wesley and Dillingham, which do you think would be the better future guard?

The hopes with Wesley was that he'd be able to put all these various elements together. He may still be able to do so, but Dillingham has a couple skillsets that will probably translate without a lot of trouble - his ballhandling and shooting.