2024 NBA Draft Thread

[tbdog]

Meaning you dont think DET would do it? I think Keldon is definitely the better player right now and is locked in a better deal overall than Ivey will be if you have to pay him in 2 seasons.

If you dont think Cade/Ivey are optimal, can you do better than Keldon?

Guards usually take longer to produce, and Ivey statistically isn't far behind Keldon now. Keldon might have met his peak. I'm not sure if Keldon would improve anymore. Even with a reduced usage rate and coming off the bench, he didn't increase his accuracy. I think at worse, Ivey would reach 23/24 Keldon by next year.

[Ariel]

Says he’s been watching Jaden McDaniels the most because he’s one of the best defenders in the league. ^
Loves Tracy McGrady and is one of his favorite players ever.


https://youtu.be/TBWCDmhUQNs?feature=shared
Wouldn't be shocked if Washington especially takes a big swing on Matas. In fact I think the top 2 most likely targets by Washington may actually be him and Topic, both are big swings but their size and skill set could make them high ceiling guys, provided their shot comes around.

[Ariel]

Spurs don’t draft like that. They set up a complete board, which this year will be 59 players, and when they’re on the clock, they pick the highest remaining player on their board. You can really outsmart yourself trying shit like that when it may not even be those teams picking in those positions.
If the Spurs don't factor in the likelihood of each player being available at each pick, then they'd be idiots. They don't strike me as such, so I'm going to guess their reasoning is a bit more nuanced than that.

[alfahdlan]

For me: just draft that fastbreak engines, in any order: Sheppard and Holland, add also Dunn and Spurs will play fast with thousand of steals.

[PhantomDashCam]

Combine going to be interesting...
"My advantage is that I have everything over him.”

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[baseline bum]

Sheppard seems to make sense... but does it really? Do we think Houston is jazzed to use a #3 pick on a guy who projects to be a backup combo guard? Sheppard isn't going to displace Green, and I don't think Sheppard fits as a lead guard, and if Amen is going to be their PG of the future then there just isn't much room for him.

I think so. Thompson is what makes it work since he has the size and athleticism to play the SF defensively so once he replaces FVV I think Thompson + Sheppard + Green + Smith + Sengun can be a pretty strong lineup.

[baseline bum]

Browsing the Hornets subreddit, consensus seems to be Castle, then Holland, then Williams.

Hawks board want Sarr.

Rockets board want Sheppard or to trade the pick.

Blazers subreddit seems to like Cody Williams, Salaun, Buzelis.
Wizards subreddit wants Topic.

Pistons subreddit is in shambles. Can’t get a good read because they’re all on suicide watch.

Castle seems like a no-brainer pick to get some defense in Charlotte as well as someone who can play some spot PG when LaMelo is hurt. Damn if the Wizards take Topic might have a shot at Risashcer at 4.

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[baseline bum]

He probably won't even be there at 4.

Hope so

[Knoxxx]

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/newsfeed/2024-nba-draft-why-g-league-ignites-ron-holland-is-early-favorite-to-go-no-1

Old article but multiple wing options left at 8.

The Wild card for me is Castle, seems like we can use a bigger SF than him otherwise when it’s PG-Vassel-where does Castle fit in that lineup?

[SpursBills]

As bad and counter-productive as it sounds, I wouldn't be averse to taking Castle and seeing how Vassell does this year. If he continues only developing as a DeRozan type with good scoring numbers but poor defense and limited creation, take advantage of his high perceived value around the league and relative youth and package him and one of your lottery picks in 2025 to grab your blue chip wing if you see one next year. Castle's really an ideal size for complementary utility 2 guard in the NBA. If Vassell develops well into an all around stud, then Castle can be either your second back court guy assuming Vassell's creation improves, or a 3rd guard.

[Ariel]

Browsing the Hornets subreddit, consensus seems to be Castle, then Holland, then Williams.

Hawks board want Sarr.

Rockets board want Sheppard or to trade the pick.

Blazers subreddit seems to like Cody Williams, Salaun, Buzelis.
Wizards subreddit wants Topic.

Pistons subreddit is in shambles. Can’t get a good read because they’re all on suicide watch.
All sensible options, especially that of Detroit fans :lol

[spurraider21]

If people are focused on wings, then maybe…

1 - Hawks - Sarr
2 - Wizards - Topic
3 - Rockets - Risacher
4 - Spurs - Buzelis
5 - Detroit - Castle
6 - Hornets - Holland
7 - Blazers - Sheppard
8 - Spurs - Knecht
If we take knecht over dillingham at 8…

[spurraider21]

Would you do Keldon + pick 8 for Jaden Ivey + pick 5?

Clears 10M from SA, gets SA a guard with some upside but some risk too (not any more risky than other guards in this draft) and puts SA with picks 4 & 5 now.
Obviously because 5 is better than 8 and Ivey is better than Keldon

[Ariel]

Would you do Keldon + pick 8 for Jaden Ivey + pick 5?

Clears 10M from SA, gets SA a guard with some upside but some risk too (not any more risky than other guards in this draft) and puts SA with picks 4 & 5 now.
To fix that trade, it would have to be at least something like:
Keldon + Champagnie + 4 + 35 for Ivey + 5

And only if the Spurs pick Detroit's target right in front of them. Then Detroit gets their guy and 2 wings who fit better than Ivey, at the expense of some potential, while they pick up a good 2nd rounder that they lost when they traded for Fontecchio.

Spurs take a swing on Ivey and move on from Keldon's money at the expense of taking their next best available. Add a few 2nds and some minor asset if necessary (Charlotte pick? Branham?), but I would say that's a more realistic framework.

[RC_Drunkford]

My early mock draft:

1 - Hawks - Sarr
2 - Wizards - Topic
3 - Rockets - Risacher
4 - Spurs - Dillingham
5 - Detroit - Castle
6 - Hornets - Holland
7 - Blazers - Buzelis
8 - Spurs - Sheppard

that would be a heist. If we get 2 out of Dillingham, Risacher and Sheppard I'ma be thrilled

[DAF86]

My early mock draft:

1 - Hawks - Sarr
2 - Wizards - Topic
3 - Rockets - Risacher
4 - Spurs - Dillingham
5 - Detroit - Castle
6 - Hornets - Holland
7 - Blazers - Buzelis
8 - Spurs - Sheppard

If we can't get Risacher, I wouldn't hate that at all. Double down on the Kentucky guards, one of them has to pan out as, at least, a rotation PG.

[RC_Drunkford]

I dont see anything special on Risacher. Why people here wants him so bad? It looks like knecht and Risacher have the same stuff of what they can bring on to a basketball court.

Risacher plays defense, Knecht doesn't. Risacher is 19, Knecht is 23. Risacher is 6'10'' Knecht is 6'6''. They totally different players, they just both shoot the 3 well and play SF.

[DAF86]

After seeing some mocks and what other fanbases want, my mock would be:

1-Sarr (ATL)
2-Topic (Was)
3-Risacher (Hou)
4-Buzellis (SAS)
5-Williams (Det)
6-Castle (Cha)
7-Holland (Por)
8-Dillingham (SAS)

Useless actually, since I think there will be 1 or 2 trades at the top.

[Mr. Body]

Knecht is far more aggressive than Risacher, who does cut pretty well and relocate his shots, but doesn't manufacture his own offense whatsoever. That's one of the knocks on him -- he has no self-creation. None. And I seriously doubt he's 6'10". He doesn't look that size at all. We'll see with the measurements.

That said, I don't think Knecht will be on the radar in any way. He really only does one thing and we prefer multi-talented players.

[DAF86]

I dont see anything special on Risacher. Why people here wants him so bad? It looks like knecht and Risacher have the same stuff of what they can bring on to a basketball court.

Risacher seems like the safest bet for a 3 and D forward, and has a chance of developing into something more, since he's very young.

Knecht is 6'6" and the oldest projected lottery pick.

[TrainOfThought5]

If we take knecht over dillingham at 8…

We riot at the Alamo?

[rankingtear]

Knecht is far more aggressive than Risacher, who does cut pretty well and relocate his shots, but doesn't manufacture his own offense whatsoever. That's one of the knocks on him -- he has no self-creation. None. And I seriously doubt he's 6'10". He doesn't look that size at all. We'll see with the measurements.

That said, I don't think Knecht will be on the radar in any way. He really only does one thing and we prefer multi-talented players.

I do think Knecht is similiar to the Bogdanovics who the FO seems to love.

[Dejounte]

Order of who I’d want most at #4:

1. Sheppard
2. Buzelis
3. Castle

Order of who I’d want at #8 assuming all three above are gone:

1. Dillingham
2. Collier
3. Holland

If any of the first three are still there at 8th, I’ll take them over these three.

Coming out of the draft with any combo from the Reed, Buz, Castle trio would be terrific.

By the way, Dillingham in the second group is more strategic and less about how I value him. Like people have said: I don’t believe the top teams will use their pick on him.

[Bruno]

Wanted to ask: how high are you on Risacher?

I'm reasonably high on Risacher. I would pick him at #4 but I wouldn't trade significant assets to get #2 to grab him.

Risacher is a a smart versatile player who plays the right way. The question about him is whether or not he can be more than that. He is still very young so they're some hope but his game with the ball needs a lot of work.

Spurs interest on Risacher should also depend on how they want to structure the team. If Spurs plan to add a playmaking PG like Topic or Dillingham, Risacher would be a perfect fit as 4th offensive option behind Wembanyama, that PG and Vassell. If Spurs want to go with a PG that will just set up the offense like Tre Jones, they might want to go after another kind of SF.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/IxZeg8fugCI?feature=shared


https://youtu.be/Od7YDT1ioXo?feature=shared

Been replaying Kentucky games and man, does Rob sit for long stretches. I think a lot of it is because of foul trouble and being in foul trouble is usually the mark of a terrible defender. Kawhi, for example, didn’t foul much during his rookie year not because he didn’t play physical defense but because he had a lot of awareness on that end. Hopefully it’s not a chronic thing for Rob, just as it was with Lonnie’s excruciating out-of-bounds plays.

[Bruno]

Remaining games for overseas top prospects still playing:

- Topic: Adriatic league final (BO5) against Partizan
Games on 05/13, 05/15, 05/19, 05/21, 05/25
After that he will play Serbian league playoffs in June.

- Risacher: French league quarter final (BO3) against Nanterre
Games on 05/16, 05/18, 05/20

- Salaün: French league quarter final (BO3) against Paris
Games on 05/15, 05/18, 05/21

- Nunez and Dadiet: German league quarter final (BO3) against Würzburg
Games on 05/18, 05/20, 05/22

Games will be played around 12pm CST.

[Dejounte]

For fans of Jeremy Woo, RE: Risacher:

”Risacher's weaknesses

The primary hole in Risacher's profile at this stage of his career is that he's not an advanced shot-creator nor an exceptional jump-shooter. He plays a bit upright off the dribble and lacks a creative handle attacking defenders in space, which makes it hard to envision him becoming a top offensive option in the pros without a huge leap in the shot-making department. His scoring upside is tied heavily to becoming a top-flight shooter -- and while he's performing well statistically in that department this season, Risacher is a career 35.9% 3-point shooter in our database across levels.

The thought of featuring Risacher offensively right now probably requires a structured off-ball role, in which he's scoring off of more designed touches in the halfcourt, but he may not be that caliber of shooter where he warrants it. In an NBA system, Risacher is more likely to play a tertiary scoring role early in his career, spacing the floor with his shot, attacking the basket on a straight line, and allowing a lead playmaker to create opportunities for him. Risacher's all-around play has been solid and inspires some confidence in his trajectory, but to hit a high-end outcome in the pros befitting of a top draft selection, he must keep developing as a scorer. If he's just an average shooter in the long run, he may not warrant the type of capital it seems a team will have to invest to draft him.”

Risacher’s going to need a lead playmaker better than Tre, IMO. Can they get either Rob or Sheppard to optimize Risacher in that Bertans role? I sure hope so if they get him at #4.

[exstatic]

If the Spurs don't factor in the likelihood of each player being available at each pick, then they'd be idiots. They don't strike me as such, so I'm going to guess their reasoning is a bit more nuanced than that.

That’s an opinion, and probably the way you’d draft, but it’s not the way they draft. Been covered many times on his board over the years. Like I said, you don’t know if those teams will be picking in those spots. That’s the reason that pick trades are usually annnounced after the fact, to obscure who is making the pick. You’re also trying to get into someone else’s head, and that often doesn’t work. None of those teams are good enough to draft around their current players, for the most part. They could all take guards for all you know.

[JPB]

Remaining games for overseas top prospects still playing:

- Topic: Adriatic league final (BO5) against Partizan
Games on 05/13, 05/15, 05/19, 05/21, 05/25
After that he will play Serbian league playoffs in June.

- Risacher: French league quarter final (BO3) against Nanterre
Games on 05/16, 05/18, 05/20

- Salaün: French league quarter final (BO3) against Paris
Games on 05/15, 05/18, 05/21

- Nunez and Dadiet: German league quarter final (BO3) against Würzburg
Games on 05/18, 05/20, 05/22

Games will be played around 12pm CST.

If we're talking lottery, Salaun is the guy who could benefit the most from these last few games remaining in the season if he can pull a few nice outings.

I believe scouts have made their minds about Zach and Topic, but the jury is still out for Salaun who remains pretty raw and hard to project.

[CGD]

I'm reasonably high on Risacher. I would pick him at #4 but I wouldn't trade significant assets to get #2 to grab him.

Risacher is a a smart versatile player who plays the right way. The question about him is whether or not he can be more than that. He is still very young so they're some hope but his game with the ball needs a lot of work.

Spurs interest on Risacher should also depend on how they want to structure the team. If Spurs plan to add a playmaking PG like Topic or Dillingham, Risacher would be a perfect fit as 4th offensive option behind Wembanyama, that PG and Vassell. If Spurs want to go with a PG that will just set up the offense like Tre Jones, they might want to go after another kind of SF.

Do you have on opinion of Risacher v. Buzelis if both are there at 4?

[CGD]

That’s an opinion, and probably the way you’d draft, but it’s not the way they draft. Been covered many times on his board over the years. Like I said, you don’t know if those teams will be picking in those spots. That’s the reason that pick trades are usually annnounced after the fact, to obscure who is making the pick. You’re also trying to get into someone else’s head, and that often doesn’t work. None of those teams are good enough to draft around their current players, for the most part. They could all take guards for all you know.

In fairness, I can’t ever think of a time the spurs have been in this draft situation. I think what you say may be true when they were drafting super late in the draft. My hope and expectation is that they build in a little game theory for this particular situation— e.g., it would be foolish to take a PG at 4 if he or a reasonable facsimile will be there at 8.

[exstatic]

In fairness, I can’t ever think of a time the spurs have been in this draft situation. I think what you say may be true when they were drafting super late in the draft. My hope and expectation is that they build in a little game theory for this particular situation— e.g., it would be foolish to take a PG at 4 if he or a reasonable facsimile will be there at 8.

My whole point is, you can’t know that. Trades happen, or teams overload at positions. This may all be moot anyway if Risacher falls to 4. I’m sure they’d take him as BPA, and then whatever guard is left at 8. If he’s not there, though, I wouldn’t even pencil in a wing.

[JPB]

Do you have on opinion of Risacher v. Buzelis if both are there at 4?

I take Zach personnaly. Seems more spursy, both in game and attitude. Buz is certainly more flashy, aggressive and of an instinctive player, but I like Risacher's "quiet" versatilty and all around game, playing team ball the right way, with high BBIQ. Batum as a decent comp I believe, Nico maybe being a bit more talented.

I second Bruno in saying he's not really a creator yet (if ever) both for him and others, and you should have a playmaker in your backcourt then (in the draft or trading for one) but spurs need one anyway, and I don't believe there's a Brandon Miiler in this draft. Givony and Woo have Risacher as a potentially "solid starter" in today's mock draft and I (modestly) agree with that.

[Vienna]

My whole point is, you can’t know that. Trades happen, or teams overload at positions. This may all be moot anyway if Risacher falls to 4. I’m sure they’d take him as BPA, and then whatever guard is left at 8. If he’s not there, though, I wouldn’t even pencil in a wing.

the #8 pick will open some trade scenarios and Spurs will at least consider to go that route. Nets not owning a pick, but with a bag full of needs, would they do #8 plus Keldon for Bridges? (or what would it take? #8, #35, Keldon?)

[dubross]

the #8 pick will open some trade scenarios and Spurs will at least consider to go that route. Nets not owning a pick, but with a bag full of needs, would they do #8 plus Keldon for Bridges? (or what would it take? #8, #35, Keldon?)

to get Bridges from Brooklyn it would take multiple 1st rd picks

[Mr. Body]

For fans of Jeremy Woo, RE: Risacher:

”Risacher's weaknesses

The primary hole in Risacher's profile at this stage of his career is that he's not an advanced shot-creator nor an exceptional jump-shooter. He plays a bit upright off the dribble and lacks a creative handle attacking defenders in space, which makes it hard to envision him becoming a top offensive option in the pros without a huge leap in the shot-making department. His scoring upside is tied heavily to becoming a top-flight shooter -- and while he's performing well statistically in that department this season, Risacher is a career 35.9% 3-point shooter in our database across levels.

The thought of featuring Risacher offensively right now probably requires a structured off-ball role, in which he's scoring off of more designed touches in the halfcourt, but he may not be that caliber of shooter where he warrants it. In an NBA system, Risacher is more likely to play a tertiary scoring role early in his career, spacing the floor with his shot, attacking the basket on a straight line, and allowing a lead playmaker to create opportunities for him. Risacher's all-around play has been solid and inspires some confidence in his trajectory, but to hit a high-end outcome in the pros befitting of a top draft selection, he must keep developing as a scorer. If he's just an average shooter in the long run, he may not warrant the type of capital it seems a team will have to invest to draft him.”

Risacher’s going to need a lead playmaker better than Tre, IMO. Can they get either Rob or Sheppard to optimize Risacher in that Bertans role? I sure hope so if they get him at #4.

Zaccharie Risacher

Weaknesses: Everything

[ffadicted]

Zaccharie Risacher

Weaknesses: Everything

https://tinypic.host/images/2024/05/13/Screenshot-2024-05-13-090540.png

Weakness: Basketball

[exstatic]

the #8 pick will open some trade scenarios and Spurs will at least consider to go that route. Nets not owning a pick, but with a bag full of needs, would they do #8 plus Keldon for Bridges? (or what would it take? #8, #35, Keldon?)


to get Bridges from Brooklyn it would take multiple 1st rd picks

Yeah, they supposedly turned down 3 FRPs for him last year, thinking he could be a franchise guy. They found out that he isn’t one. Teams always over value their own players, though. They’ll probably still want a king’s ransom for him.

[Vienna]

Yeah, they supposedly turned down 3 FRPs for him last year, thinking he could be a franchise guy. They found out that he isn’t one. Teams always over value their own players, though. They’ll probably still want a king’s ransom for him.

I guess you are pointing at the reported Grizzlies offer? but it was also reported, that the picks would have come as lottery protected. anyway, as you said, they (and the whole league) found out he isn't a #1 or #2 player. good role player though, like in his Phoenix days. Spurs could use him. #8 plus Vassell?
btw. not to be mistaken, I think Bridges is good, but not worth to break the bank......I just wanted to give a guess what direction Spurs might try with the second pick.

[rascal]

the #8 pick will open some trade scenarios and Spurs will at least consider to go that route. Nets not owning a pick, but with a bag full of needs, would they do #8 plus Keldon for Bridges? (or what would it take? #8, #35, Keldon?)

Nets would want 4 and another couple of future picks for Bridges. You still in?

[rascal]

If the Spurs pick Topic over Dillingham I‘ma throw my TV off the balcony

I expect them to. Be ready to buy another TV.

[BatManu20]

Wild that Mikel bridges is about to turn 28 already. Where does the time go tbh.

[Mr. Body]

We're gonna wind up with Risacher and Topic and it's gonna suck.

[The Truth #6]

With so many variables I'm looking at our two picks this way right now (with the option of changing my mind again at any moment, ha):

One of the picks has to be a good shooter. One has to be a good defender. In other words, with both picks in total they can't be both bad at shooting and defense.

[TrainOfThought5]

This is just my opinion of course, but I think this result is why you kind of have to take your choice of wing at 4, and be happy with what's left of Dilly/Sheppard/Castle at 8. I would personally view Dilly/Sheppard as a suboptimal outcome in this draft... but I also admit I'm not as knowledgeable on these players as you and others.

if the draft falls that way we’re the ones that are idiots for not drafting Cody williams at 8.

[rascal]

Topic plays like a WNBA player. Below the rim layups with poor shooting.

[DPG21920]

Obviously because 5 is better than 8 and Ivey is better than Keldon

Is he?

[DPG21920]

I'm reasonably high on Risacher. I would pick him at #4 but I wouldn't trade significant assets to get #2 to grab him.

Risacher is a a smart versatile player who plays the right way. The question about him is whether or not he can be more than that. He is still very young so they're some hope but his game with the ball needs a lot of work.

Spurs interest on Risacher should also depend on how they want to structure the team. If Spurs plan to add a playmaking PG like Topic or Dillingham, Risacher would be a perfect fit as 4th offensive option behind Wembanyama, that PG and Vassell. If Spurs want to go with a PG that will just set up the offense like Tre Jones, they might want to go after another kind of SF.

Interesting - thank you. Sounds like you don’t want to put eggs in basket of him being a star potential? I’m going to throw a draft combo I’d be happy with: Matas Buzelis + Risacher


Now you can use some assets via trade to land a point guard (Brogdon? Another younger one?) and get two wings for when you possibly trade Keldon?

[JPB]

I understand everyone has his pet prospects and ones he doesn't like but talking about "career numbers" for a 19 kid (Risacher) as if we were talking about a 10 year vet, to make definitve judgements about his 3pt shooting is a tad abusing, if you ask me...

Specially including previous years, while this season is his first as a real starter and contributor where he shot around 40% on 3 over all competitions, and actually a higher percentage in Eurocup (a more competitive competition) than in the french league.

Not fair to the kid, imo.

[FireMicoHalili]

Anyone here who actually watched full games of Risacher? Asking if he’s truly worth the hype. Not a lot of access to full games and I lack a scouting perspective. After years of watching the NBA the draft is largely a crap shoot. Lots of dudes around here buy into the hype and decide based on highlights without assessing the developmental holes which prove fatal once they turn pro. How’s the level of competition where he plays and what signs should we be looking for which show he can transition successfully in the NBA?

[FireMicoHalili]

Also hoping Brian Wright learns from the Primo fiasco. That somehow led into Wemby but still feels like reaching wasn’t the best decision. Still worried Wright is going to reach.

[Mr. Body]

Also hoping Brian Wright learns from the Primo fiasco. That somehow led into Wemby but still feels like reaching wasn’t the best decision. Still worried Wright is going to reach.

The pick should have been Sengun, but for some reason the entire league seemed to pass on him. Even OKC drafted him and traded him away.

However, other than Sengun it wasn't clear who else was left. Trey Murphy was the only real 'lottery grade' player still available and his tenure at Virginia was fairly iffy. Herb Jones was still there, but no one really thought much of him. I can't personally slag a GM for missing what everyone else missed. That stuff happens here and there.

So... absent Sengun, Primo wasn't really a terrible pick there. And we don't know how he'd turn out if he didn't completely destroy his own development.

[Mr. Body]

I understand everyone has his pet prospects and ones he doesn't like but talking about "career numbers" for a 19 kid (Risacher) as if we were talking about a 10 year vet, to make definitve judgements about his 3pt shooting is a tad abusing, if you ask me...

Specially including previous years, while this season is his first as a real starter and contributor where he shot around 40% on 3 over all competitions, and actually a higher percentage in Eurocup (a more competitive competition) than in the french league.

Not fair to the kid, imo.

I wouldn't be opposed to Risacher later in the lottery. But a guy who doesn't have a history of shooting well, whose athleticism is fairly limited, who plays good but not great defense, doesn't rebound or get assists, and who seems to top out as a role-playing wing, I don't want him with a number 4 pick.

[exstatic]

Wild that Mikel bridges is about to turn 28 already. Where does the time go tbh.

He wasn’t one and done,but was almost 22 when drafted.

[onechance87]

Anyone here who actually watched full games of Risacher? Asking if he’s truly worth the hype. Not a lot of access to full games and I lack a scouting perspective. After years of watching the NBA the draft is largely a crap shoot and lots of dudes around here buy into the hype and decide based on highlights without assessing the developmental holes which prove fatal once they turn pro. How’s the level of competition where he plays and what signs should we be looking for which show he can transition successfully in the NBA?

he is pretty much does what julian champianie does.The hope would be for him to be a better defender and get better handles.
He is still young so you would think he should improve.Tho not sure i would take him at 4.

[PhantomDashCam]

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[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/NoCeilingsNBA/status/1790020736309997794

[FireMicoHalili]

he is pretty much does what julian champianie does.The hope would be for him to be a better defender and get better handles.
He is still young so you would think he should improve.Tho not sure i would take him at 4.
Same thought re: picking him at 4, plus the fact he’s French. Also lmao at NBAdraft.net comparing him and Buzelis to Franz Wagner. Really had to juxtapose Wagner because he’s white ��

[onechance87]

https://twitter.com/NoCeilingsNBA/status/1790020736309997794

pretty much jalen brunson

[DPG21920]

Obviously because 5 is better than 8 and Ivey is better than Keldon

Thoughts on this hypothetical? Don’t focus too much on my offer having to be exact - just focus on general thought process and players and know that if it costs a little more or less that’s fine.

Do you like it for SA? Think it makes sense for Det etc?

Im interested in a situation that allows Sa to get both Matas Buzelis + Risacher and opens minutes up and money and gets Sa a guard with same flaws as the guys in this draft anyways:

Keldon to Detroit for Ivey

Something like Keldon + pick 8 + future first + 2 2nds

For

Ivey + pick 5

Keldon being used in the trade means there’s minutes for 2 wings like Matas Buzelis + Risacher and clears some money for spurs too. Also get Ivey who has some potential and no worse flaws than Dillingham (different players obviously- just mean there’s questions either way) to add to guard position and balance out spurs roster some?

Det gets a guy who maybe fits better than Ivey next to Cade and is still young and legit scorer and great teammate and has a very reasonable deal and for moving back 3 spots they get an extra first and 2 2nds?

Now spurs with 4 + 5 should be able to get Matas Buzelis + Risacher

[Mr. Body]

Same thought re: picking him at 4, plus the fact he’s French. Also lmao at NBAdraft.net comparing him and Buzelis to Franz Wagner. Really had to juxtapose Wagner because he’s white ��

I do think Buzelis is a bit like Wagner, though. Risacher, no. But Buzelis moves like him and sort of does the same things, only not as good (sadly). Not the playmaker, primarily.

[FireMicoHalili]

The pick should have been Sengun, but for some reason the entire league seemed to pass on him. Even OKC drafted him and traded him away.

However, other than Sengun it wasn't clear who else was left. Trey Murphy was the only real 'lottery grade' player still available and his tenure at Virginia was fairly iffy. Herb Jones was still there, but no one really thought much of him. I can't personally slag a GM for missing what everyone else missed. That stuff happens here and there.

So... absent Sengun, Primo wasn't really a terrible pick there. And we don't know how he'd turn out if he didn't completely destroy his own development.
I guess his draft philosophy is he trusts his scouts, which is also comforting. I’ve seen a lot of drafts pass by and these guys hyped within the 5-15 range sometimes turn out to be total duds. People pine for them because of what the draft websites say.

[Mugen]

IMO, there are 3 PG prospects that will go Top 10: Topic, Dilly and Sheppard (I don't think Castle will ever be a PG in this league. Shep is smart enough + his shooting in that he can probably play PG long term)
-Out of those 3, I think the only one that has a realistic shot of getting to #8 is Dillingham

If Dilly is truly #1 on their big board, then you take him at #4 and don't get cute about it. But I have a feeling that they'll have Risacher higher and he'll be the pick if he's available.

I just like the list of available wings that will be at #8 a lot better: Buzelis, Holland, Castle, Knecht, Williams, Saluan

Honestly, I'd be fine if they went with Dilly at #4 and took a home run swing at #8 with Saluan. I don't know how much they want to play 2 rookies next year so picking Wemby's best friend / 2 yr project might not be the dumbest idea in the world.

[baseline bum]

https://twitter.com/NoCeilingsNBA/status/1790020736309997794

Glad to see 6'1" without shoes but fuck came in ten pounds lighter than I was expecting.

[LeBowen]

Glad to see 6'1" without shoes but fuck came in ten pounds lighter than I was expecting.

Stephon Castle measurements at the NBA Draft Combine:

6'2.25" height without shoes
6'8.75" wingspan
8'2" standing reach

+6 wingspan alert x2


He was listed at 6'6 everywhere.

[baseline bum]

pretty much jalen brunson

Nah Brunson is 25 lbs bigger

[baseline bum]

Stephon Castle measurements at the NBA Draft Combine:

6'2.25" height without shoes
6'8.75" wingspan
8'2" standing reach

+6 wingspan alert x2


He was listed at 6'6 everywhere.

Wow that really dampens my interest in Castle a lot. Probably does for Charlotte too which makes it less likely Holland is there at 8. :pctoss

[Cardinal]

Castles measurements are quite surprising (and disappointing)

[baseline bum]

Disappointing wingspan from Buzelis

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[Shohoku High]

Castle has same measurements as Marcus Smart

Full combine link - https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?SeasonYear=2024

[Rubberducky]

Alot of measurements are listed on the nba website now: https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?SeasonYear=2024-25&dir=D&sort=HEIGHT_WO_SHOES

Stephon Castle at 6' 2.25. Whoa.

[baseline bum]

Edey with a better wingspan than Boban :wow

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[Cardinal]

Holland and Buzelis both have great size consistent with what we thought before the combine measurements.

Will Topic and Risacher have numbers posted as well or are they not at the combine?

[baseline bum]

Holland and Buzelis both have great size consistent with what we thought before the combine measurements.

Will Topic and Risacher have numbers posted as well or are they not at the combine?

They're still playing aren't they? I know Risacher is for sure.

[Vienna]

Stephon Castle measurements at the NBA Draft Combine:

6'2.25" height without shoes
6'8.75" wingspan
8'2" standing reach

+6 wingspan alert x2


He was listed at 6'6 everywhere.

whatever the mistake is, this has to be wrong. not the first time a number from the combine was twisted.

you can't tell me this two are the same height
https://twitter.com/UConnMBB/status/1694796376691908987/photo/1https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4Uft3TXwAA-5fl?format=jpg&name=large

https://twitter.com/UConnMBB/status/1694796376691908987/photo/1

[LeBowen]

They're still playing aren't they? I know Risacher is for sure.

Topic is playing ABA league finals in a couple of hours.

[FireMicoHalili]

Alot of measurements are listed on the nba website now: https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?SeasonYear=2024-25&dir=D&sort=HEIGHT_WO_SHOES

Stephon Castle at 6' 2.25. Whoa.
Makes you wonder who told the draft sites he’s 6’6” and why those websites just rode along with it. A slow guard with no shooting, how palatable lol

[rascal]

whatever the mistake is, this has to be wrong. not the first time a number from the combine was twisted.

you can't tell me this two are the same height
https://twitter.com/UConnMBB/status/1694796376691908987/photo/1https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4Uft3TXwAA-5fl?format=jpg&name=large

https://twitter.com/UConnMBB/status/1694796376691908987/photo/1

Something does seem off with Castle's measurements.

[JPB]

I can really can understand the reticences about Risacher, since he's not a super sexy player, and nothing elite seem to blatantly stand out, but he's acutally been shooting pretty well this season (and provides great defense) so I' m not sure why you guys tag him as a bad shooter. I don't believe he could be projected that high otherwise.

Wemby shot 27% on 3 his last season in France. Ofc, Vic brings "a bit" more to the table than that, but it's all about potential and projections. I'll just post Givony and Woo last comments on their new post-lottery mock draft about Risacher, cos I bevieve that's what you'd hope for with him, notably the "attractive mix of safety and upside":

"The Wizards' front office can afford to take a big swing at the top of the draft as the team enters Year 2 of what figures to be a patient, long-term rebuild. Washington's roster remains fluid into the future, and the team should be looking for the best talent available at this spot. Risacher's potential to space the floor, defend at a high level and develop into a quality starter on the wing presents an attractive mix of safety and upside at No. 2. Washington selected another Frenchman, Bilal Coulibaly, in last year's lottery, and will have an opportunity to keep that trend going, with at least one of Risacher and Sarr available to them here. -- Woo"

attractive mix of safety and upside

[CorrectCrusader]

I can really can understand the reticences about Risacher, since he's not a super sexy player, and nothing elite seem to blatantly stand out, but he's acutally been shooting pretty well this season (and provides great defense) so I' m not sure why you guys tag him as a bad shooter. I don't believe he could be projected that high otherwise.

Wemby shot 27% on 3 his last season in France. Ofc, Vic brings "a bit" more to the table than that, but it's all about potential and projections. I'll just post Givony and Woo last comments on their new post-lottery mock draft about Risacher, cos I bevieve that's what you'd hope for with him, notably the "attractive mix of safety and upside":

"The Wizards' front office can afford to take a big swing at the top of the draft as the team enters Year 2 of what figures to be a patient, long-term rebuild. Washington's roster remains fluid into the future, and the team should be looking for the best talent available at this spot. Risacher's potential to space the floor, defend at a high level and develop into a quality starter on the wing presents an attractive mix of safety and upside at No. 2. Washington selected another Frenchman, Bilal Coulibaly, in last year's lottery, and will have an opportunity to keep that trend going, with at least one of Risacher and Sarr available to them here. -- Woo"

attractive mix of safety and upside

The largest red flag with Risacher is his FT shooting, which is the best projector of NBA shooting.

[PhantomDashCam]

The castle measurements are wrong btw. You can even see from the draft broadcast how much taller he is than Sheppard and Dillingham.

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[JPB]

The largest red flag with Risacher is his FT shooting, which is the best projector of NBA shooting.

Looks like he fixed it these last few weeks, shooting over 80%, the last 8 games or so. Maybe he needed to change his mechanics or routine, or just focus. he's 75% for the season.

[onechance87]

ryan dunn is also 6'6....Thought he was legit 6'8....No way he can be a center or pf at 6'6

[Dejounte]

The castle measurements are wrong btw. You can even see from the draft broadcast how much taller he is than Sheppard and Dillingham.

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These measurement guys have one job and they failed.

[CorrectCrusader]

How tf is the NBA combines measurements so fked up, how hard is it to measure height lmao

[baseline bum]

Damn was hoping Holland would be closer to his listed 6'8"

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[Mugen]

How tf do you mess up measurements? :lol

[Payote75]

Take a ay from the la rams playbook trade the picks for a proven commodity that fits the rebuild now. Don't want to waste any time with Wemby we hope he has a long dominant career but that slight frame knees etc could make it shorter but besides that we have two lottery picks keldon other picks target your player and go get them there has to be a team that can match up or values our picks more than we do or wants to add youth. There's no time to again draft kids and wait for do they have it will they get better are they good and Wembys time just wasting away. Dump the picks get what you need that's proven to match Wemby who already proved himself. Wemby vassell and your target then add veterans that want to win or ring chase etc.

[JPB]

whatever the mistake is, this has to be wrong. not the first time a number from the combine was twisted.

you can't tell me this two are the same height
https://twitter.com/UConnMBB/status/1694796376691908987/photo/1https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4Uft3TXwAA-5fl?format=jpg&name=large

https://twitter.com/UConnMBB/status/1694796376691908987/photo/1



Wearing his GF's heals.

[CorrectCrusader]

Damn was hoping Holland would be closer to his listed 6'8"

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No way in hell are these heights accurate lmao wtf

[baseline bum]

Filipowski wins the Kevin Willis Negative Wingspan Award

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[Seventyniner]

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3 digit jersey numbers :lol

Can't wait for LeBron to join his next team rocking #100.

[exstatic]

Holland and Buzelis both have great size consistent with what we thought before the combine measurements.

Will Topic and Risacher have numbers posted as well or are they not at the combine?

Topic still playing.

[CorrectCrusader]

Apparently the Castle numbers are wrong and are actually for Devin Carter.

[baseline bum]

Sarr not really 7'1"

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[manufan10]

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[Mr. Body]

Apparently the Castle numbers are wrong and are actually for Devin Carter.

Christ, now idiots on reddit will be repeating the wrong stats for the next six weeks.

[JPB]

Rob Dillingham weight 164.2 wingspan 6-3 standing reach 7-11

[Cardinal]

Holland will be near 6’8” in shoes so I don’t think this is too far off

[exstatic]

No way in hell are these heights accurate lmao wtf

Once the NBA publishes them, you can take them to the bank. They’re accurate.

[JPB]

Rob Dillingham weight 164.2 wingspan 6-3 standing reach 7-11

Stephon Castle wingspan 6-8.75 standing reach 8-2

[baseline bum]

Cody Williams 6'6.50" per NBA.com. Wingspan 7'1". No weight listed. Standing reach 8'7"

[Maddog]

Rob Dillingham weight 164.2 wingspan 6-3 standing reach 7-11

As expected - he's small

[JPB]

Matas Buzelis weight 197 wingspan 6-10 standing reach 8-9.5

[exstatic]

As expected - he's small

People were saying he was 5’11”. He’s 6’1” barefoot, which is probably 6’2.5” in shoes, what is normally the listed height. He was listed at 6’3”, which seems to be a pretty accurate in shoes measurement.

[CorrectCrusader]

Not really worried about Dillinghams weight. Advantage on offense because the bumps will look more severe and lead to more fouls, and allows him to be extremely fast like he is in college. Defensively however, yikes.

[exstatic]

Cody Williams 6'6.50" per NBA.com. Wingspan 7'1". No weight listed. Standing reach 8'7"

Thats +6.5”. Nice wingspan.

[Mr. Body]

Cody is shorter than advertised. My guess is Risacher will be, too.

[Duncan2177]

Not really worried about Dillinghams weight. Advantage on offense because the bumps will look more severe and lead to more fouls, and allows him to be extremely fast like he is in college. Defensively however, yikes.

No worry, we have Wemby.

[baseline bum]

Cody is shorter than advertised. My guess is Risacher will be, too.

Wingspan is outstanding though

[Mr. Body]

Wingspan is outstanding though

Yeah, he's lanky, one of his good points. It helps him since he's fairly slow.

[baseline bum]

Not really worried about Dillinghams weight. Advantage on offense because the bumps will look more severe and lead to more fouls, and allows him to be extremely fast like he is in college. Defensively however, yikes.

I can't lie, Dillingham's weight has shaken me a bit, thought he was going to come in 175 and not 164. Think I definitely have Risacher #1 on my board now. Dilly probably still #2 though.

[DesignatedT]

Curious to see how sheppard stacks up.

[CorrectCrusader]

For those of you who don't want Trae Young on the spurs, you might just get a younger one (dillingham)

[CorrectCrusader]

Curious to see how sheppard stacks up.

He's 6'1.75

[DPG21920]

Thoughts on this BB:


Thoughts on this hypothetical? Don’t focus too much on my offer having to be exact - just focus on general thought process and players and know that if it costs a little more or less that’s fine.

Do you like it for SA? Think it makes sense for Det etc?

Im interested in a situation that allows Sa to get both Matas Buzelis + Risacher and opens minutes up and money and gets Sa a guard with same flaws as the guys in this draft anyways:

Keldon to Detroit for Ivey

Something like Keldon + pick 8 + future first + 2 2nds

For

Ivey + pick 5

Keldon being used in the trade means there’s minutes for 2 wings like Matas Buzelis + Risacher and clears some money for spurs too. Also get Ivey who has some potential and no worse flaws than Dillingham (different players obviously- just mean there’s questions either way) to add to guard position and balance out spurs roster some?

Det gets a guy who maybe fits better than Ivey next to Cade and is still young and legit scorer and great teammate and has a very reasonable deal and for moving back 3 spots they get an extra first and 2 2nds?

Now spurs with 4 + 5 should be able to get Matas Buzelis + Risacher

[Mr. Body]

For those of you who don't want Trae Young on the spurs, you might just get a younger one (dillingham)

I'd way prefer to have Dillingham.

[exstatic]

Cody is shorter than advertised. My guess is Risacher will be, too.

The advertised heights are usually in shoes, and 6’8” is probably close in that context. I’d be much more concerned if his wingspan had come up short.

[JPB]

Cody is shorter than advertised. My guess is Risacher will be, too.

Risacher's measurements at the Nike Hoop Summit in 2023:

6’9.5″, 193 lbs, 6’10.5″ wingspan, 8’10” standing reach.

[DPG21920]

For those of you who don't want Trae Young on the spurs, you might just get a younger one (dillingham)

Would much rather Dill than Trae. Trae will cost tons of picks and 40M. Dillingham poses much less risk using a pick 8 on a rookie deal. If he busts then you can easily overcome it. Trae doesnt work? Yikes.

[exstatic]

For those of you who don't want Trae Young on the spurs, you might just get a younger one (dillingham)

Better 3G%, less heliocentric.

[R. DeMurre]

Sarr not really 7'1"

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6'11.75" w/o shoes = 7'1.25" w/ shoes

[JPB]

I understand the price is different, but maybe let's wait a little before proclaiming Dilly is better than a 3 time all star... Like a few games at least.

[Mugen]

Man, Dilly would get absolutely hunted on defense. You'd really need 4 plus defenders surrounding him to make it work. The only reason I'm ok with taking him is the Spurs have literally the greatest defensive prospect of all time behind him.

[Kevin]

Yeah Dilly prolly won’t be a play maker quite like Trae but he’ll be the better off ball player and shooter. In theory a better fit next to Wemby.

[Mr. Body]

Risacher's measurements at the Nike Hoop Summit in 2023:

6’9.5″, 193 lbs, 6’10.5″ wingspan, 8’10” standing reach.

I mean real measurements. He doesn't look close to 6'10" at all.

[Mr. Body]

I'm not sure why people are surprised Dillingham is slight of build.

[exstatic]

I understand the price is different, but maybe let's wait a little before proclaiming Dilly is better than a 3 time all star... Like a few games at least.

Not better, but a better % shooter and less heliocentric, meaning, probably a better fit.

[R. DeMurre]

I love it when objective measurements come out. I was just reading a thread yesterday where people were adamant about the fact that they were sure Dillingham was taller than Sheppard... he's not. Last year, people routinely called Brandin Podziemski "unathletic," and then he registered a 39" vertical leap... and people continued to call him unathletic. There will always be fans in love with the eye test, regardless of any other facts presented.

[manufan10]

Curious to see how sheppard stacks up.

Height w/o shoes 6'1.75" Standing Reach 7'9.50" Weight 181.6 Wingspan 6'3.25"

[RC_Drunkford]

Dillingham is 2 inches smaller than listed prior. He has the height and wingspan of Trae Young, Tre Jones and Darius Garland. This is what I was worried about. The question is can he get his shot off and especially can he finish against NBA players? At that height he will have to become absolutely elite on offense to be a starter.

[baseline bum]

Thoughts on this BB:

I wouldn't throw in the extra first

[baseline bum]

I love it when objective measurements come out. I was just reading a thread yesterday where people were adamant about the fact that they were sure Dillingham was taller than Sheppard... he's not. Last year, people routinely called Brandin Podziemski "unathletic," and then he registered a 39" vertical leap... and people continued to call him unathletic. There will always be fans in love with the eye test, regardless of any other facts presented.

Surprised Sheppard's wingspan was only 1/4 inch more that Dilly's though.

[BatManu20]

Risacher looks a legit 6’10 on tape tbh. Unlike most of these other guys who definitely look shorter than their billings.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1790059470988382211

[RC_Drunkford]

Height w/o shoes 6'1.75" Standing Reach 7'9.50" Weight 181.6 Wingspan 6'3.25"

that means his defense is basically Tre Jones level. Tre defends pretty well, but players just shoot over him.

[CorrectCrusader]

that means his defense is basically Tre Jones level. Tre defends pretty well, but players just shoot over him.

Biggest problem with Tre is he can't shoot, Tre can defend really well for his height. I don't see Dilly being nearly as good as Tre defensively.

[Dejounte]

Zach Edey beat Sarr on the lane agility time with 11.19 secs to 11.43 secs

[CorrectCrusader]

Cody Williams is so light wtf, only 4 pounds heavier than Trae young was at the combine. If he gains size he could be an absolute menace at 6'6.5. I would love him at 8

[John B]

I like to root for Sheppard but I can’t help thinking he’s another Jimmer Fredette??

[RC_Drunkford]

Biggest problem with Tre is he can't shoot, Tre can defend really well for his height. I don't see Dilly being nearly as good as Tre defensively.

I'm not talking about Dillingham, who would be a defensive liability for sure. I'm talking about Sheppard. One selling point of his was that he can defend. Well, with that height he won't be able to do much on defense in the NBA.

[R. DeMurre]

Surprised Sheppard's wingspan was only 1/4 inch more that Dilly's though.

Yeah, neither one is long-armed at all, but to me Sheppard projects as more of a high IQ/fundamentals guy than Dilly, with significantly more blocks & steals plus better percentages. Their assists #s are similar, despite Sheppard playing off the ball more. I like Sheppard better as more of an uber-efficient lower usage rate guy over Dilly as a higher usage rate guy.

[CorrectCrusader]

I'm not talking about Dillingham, who would be a defensive liability for sure. I'm talking about Sheppard. One selling point of his was that he can defend. Well, with that height he won't be able to do much on defense in the NBA.

I see, my b

[RC_Drunkford]

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[CorrectCrusader]

Ignite forward Tyler Smith #NBADraft �� 6'8.75" (without shoes) �� 223.8 lbs �� 7'1" wingspan

I like Tyler Smith more and more with each passing day.

[RC_Drunkford]

curious to see what Dillingham's vertical is

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1790066674038706687

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1790068947938677018

[Mugen]

Edey is 100% going in the lottery tbh :lol

[exstatic]

The one good thing about this chaotic draft is that the high prospects are doing the measurements and drills. No one wants to drop from 2 to 9 because they thought they were too good to have to do something.

[DPG21920]

I wouldn't throw in the extra first

The extra first is to move up from pick 8 to pick 5….not worth it to you? Especially if it means not having to trade an extra first post draft anyways to land a stop gap PG in this scenario or others…and it frees up about 10M in cap space for SA as well (DET has a ton of cap space so can absorb Keldon (19M) and just send out Ivey (8M) (plus the difference in salaries from pick 8 to pick 5).

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1790069894760874242

[DPG21920]

Zach Edey beat Sarr on the lane agility time with 11.19 secs to 11.43 secs

Thats wild

[exstatic]

The extra first is to move up from pick 8 to pick 5….not worth it to you? Especially if it means not having to trade an extra first post draft anyways to land a stop gap PG in this scenario or others…

There isn’t anyone worth spending a FRP on to move upon this draft, IMO. There isn’t anyone that screams 1-2 pick, but a whole bunch of like 3-5 range guys, like 8-9 of them. We could get great value at 8 by just sitting tight.

[Atl Spur]

Eeeeeeeeeddddddddyyyyy! Him and Vic would break the nba.

[CorrectCrusader]

Matas with a 38 vert is nice

[BatManu20]

Lol Bronny was already not a legitimate draft prospect when he was listed at 6’4 :lol

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[baseline bum]

The extra first is to move up from pick 8 to pick 5….not worth it to you? Especially if it means not having to trade an extra first post draft anyways to land a stop gap PG in this scenario or others…and it frees up about 10M in cap space for SA as well (DET has a ton of cap space so can absorb Keldon (19M) and just send out Ivey (8M) (plus the difference in salaries from pick 8 to pick 5).

Keldon is a pretty decent upgrade over Ivey for the Pistons and the reason for them to move down to 8 from 5, no need to just throw away future picks.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1790074346452451365

[kobyz]

Right now my hope is getting Cody Williams and Rob Dillingham with our two lottery picks, but i would be more glad trading down outside the lottery and taking Tristan da Silva and Jared McCain

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Would much rather Dill than Trae. Trae will cost tons of picks and 40M. Dillingham poses much less risk using a pick 8 on a rookie deal. If he busts then you can easily overcome it. Trae doesnt work? Yikes.

/thread. Well, that particular topic. People don't seem to understand relative value. It would be a king's ransom to bring Trae here.

Draft Dilly at eight if that's the kind of skillset you want next Wemby. If he doesn't pan out, you burned the eight pick, not a bunch of picks and tens of millions.

[Seventyniner]

Lol Bronny was already not a legitimate draft prospect when he was listed at 6’4 :lol

Reversion to the mean hits hard.

[Pauleta14]

Cody Williams 6'6.50" per NBA.com. Wingspan 7'1". No weight listed. Standing reach 8'7"

That's an amazing NBA body

I almost suspect he didn't "show cased" himself on purpose to end up in OKC

The kid has everything potentially

[Seventyniner]

This is the kind of draft where a good FO can get a ton of value out of mid-lottery picks. It will likely go a long way towards determining whether or not the Wright-led Spurs FO is good at drafting.

[thiste]

If Zach Edey is 7'3.75" without shoes there is no way in hell Victor is 7'3.5" without shoes. Victor is taller than Zach and also 2 years younger.

[DPG21920]

There isn’t anyone worth spending a FRP on to move upon this draft, IMO. There isn’t anyone that screams 1-2 pick, but a whole bunch of like 3-5 range guys, like 8-9 of them. We could get great value at 8 by just sitting tight.

Where would you value Ivey at in this draft given what you’ve seen?

[DPG21920]

Keldon is a pretty decent upgrade over Ivey for the Pistons and the reason for them to move down to 8 from 5, no need to just throw away future picks.

Hmmmm, I guess it’s where you view Ivey but ya I agree Keldon is better than Ivey now. But freeing up that 10M for Spurs isn’t insignificant either so accounts for some of that.

[Mr. Body]

That's an amazing NBA body

I almost suspect he didn't "show cased" himself on purpose to end up in OKC

The kid has everything potentially

He didn't showcase himself because he's not that good. That's it. That's the reason.

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs have worked extra hard to deliver its good soldiers to playoff teams. Dejounte, Poeltl, White, even McDermott, were all ushered to good teams. They're definitely not going to throw Keldon away to a miserable team like the Pistons even if they were trading him.

[scott]

Thoughts on this hypothetical? Don’t focus too much on my offer having to be exact - just focus on general thought process and players and know that if it costs a little more or less that’s fine.

Do you like it for SA? Think it makes sense for Det etc?

Im interested in a situation that allows Sa to get both Matas Buzelis + Risacher and opens minutes up and money and gets Sa a guard with same flaws as the guys in this draft anyways:

Keldon to Detroit for Ivey

Something like Keldon + pick 8 + future first + 2 2nds

For

Ivey + pick 5

Keldon being used in the trade means there’s minutes for 2 wings like Matas Buzelis + Risacher and clears some money for spurs too. Also get Ivey who has some potential and no worse flaws than Dillingham (different players obviously- just mean there’s questions either way) to add to guard position and balance out spurs roster some?

Det gets a guy who maybe fits better than Ivey next to Cade and is still young and legit scorer and great teammate and has a very reasonable deal and for moving back 3 spots they get an extra first and 2 2nds?

Now spurs with 4 + 5 should be able to get Matas Buzelis + Risacher

Ignoring the comp part, because I have no clue on value and am not sure I want to give up an FRP, I generally like the idea. I still believe in Ivey and think he could be a very nice 6th man scorer like Monk and Cam Thomas are. Keldon doesn't really fit here, so it's best we monetize him as quickly as possible IMO.

[baseline bum]

The Spurs have worked extra hard to deliver its good soldiers to playoff teams. Dejounte, Poeltl, White, even McDermott, were all ushered to good teams. They're definitely not going to throw Keldon away to a miserable team like the Pistons even if they were trading him.

I don't think it would be so bad for Keldon. He'd start and he'd get more shots there and probably improve his earning potential on his next contract. He's just a really bad fit with Wemby with his bull to the hoop game.

[DPG21920]

Ignoring the comp part, because I have no clue on value and am not sure I want to give up an FRP, I generally like the idea. I still believe in Ivey and think he could be a very nice 6th man scorer like Monk and Cam Thomas are. Keldon doesn't really fit here, so it's best we monetize him as quickly as possible IMO.

Nice. Im talking to DET fans on twitter and they seemingly like the idea of Keldon for Ivey for fit/scoring purposes alongside getting an extra first. And for me I sort of view the extra first like this:

Saving 10M, moving up 3 spots from 8 to 5 and that it seems likely SA would need to trade a first for a stop gap PG anyways maybe? You’re just doing it in one swoop and getting Ivey who has potential vs trading a first for say Brogdon or something later

[baseline bum]

Keldon doesn't really fit here, so it's best we monetize him as quickly as possible IMO.

Agreed. Keldon's a talented player on a good contract but his trade value has nowhere to go but down playing on a team he doesn't fit at all on.

[Mugen]

I'd be all in favor of shipping Keldon but agree that the FO would never exile him to Detroit. He's been a good soldier during his entire time here tbh.

[Mugen]

Keldon is a Klutch guy so I wonder if the Lakers would have interest.

I've always been a fan of Hachimura and he's probably gettable after the playoffs he just had tbh...

[baseline bum]

Hmmmm, I guess it’s where you view Ivey but ya I agree Keldon is better than Ivey now. But freeing up that 10M for Spurs isn’t insignificant either so accounts for some of that.

I don't see anyone gettable that would be worth throwing $33 million starting at instead of say $23 million starting at. Could probably get someone to take Collins' contract if you're using a first as a sweetener. I wouldn't do it myself, but I especially wouldn't do it to get rid of a guy on a good contract like Keldon.

[exstatic]

Where would you value Ivey at in this draft given what you’ve seen?

Prospect Ivey,or regressed year 2 Ivey?

[DesignatedT]

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[benefactor]

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This has to be bullshit lol

[CorrectCrusader]

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It's because he fudged his standing reach. He purposefully didn't stretch his arms all the way out so he could get a higher vert.

[exstatic]

This has to be bullshit lol

I wouldn’t take a twitter poster seriously, and this guy has already mixed up some players measurements today, but if the NBA posts it on their combine page, it’s legit.

[benefactor]

I wouldn’t take a twitter poster seriously, and this guy has already mixed up some players measurements today, but if the NBA posts it on their combine page, it’s legit.
Well I may stand corrected. I just pulled up a video of him blocking a three-pointer off of one foot and he got some pretty serious air

[DesignatedT]

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[benefactor]

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:wow

[benefactor]

I had no fucking idea he had hops like that.

Make the white boy dunk champion great again

[ginobilized]

Buzelis and Edey might be moving up based on their combine drills alone.
I'd never have guessed that Edey was faster than Clingan and several others.

Buzelis with decent speed and great vertical.

Reed Sheppard has some hops!

[exstatic]

Reed Shepherd has just jumped a few spots in the draft by jumping a few inches higher than expected.

[RC_Drunkford]

the fuck? Steve Francis in a white body?

[benefactor]

"that was not difficult"

[CorrectCrusader]

Vert is easily gained by doing what I posted above.

[RC_Drunkford]

apparently Wemby ain't the only one who can putback dunk his own 3-point miss


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rb5R_nqbz6A

[Dejounte]

It's because he fudged his standing reach. He purposefully didn't stretch his arms all the way out so he could get a higher vert.

How many inches does he gain from that though? And do these measurement guys really have no protocol when it comes to that? Man, these guys suck at their jobs.

[DPG21920]

I don't see anyone gettable that would be worth throwing $33 million starting at instead of say $23 million starting at. Could probably get someone to take Collins' contract if you're using a first as a sweetener. I wouldn't do it myself, but I especially wouldn't do it to get rid of a guy on a good contract like Keldon.

Agree - not looking to dump Keldon, but am looking for getting some value if it means better roster balance. The cap space isn’t just about year - Keldon deal is declining but is still much bigger than Ivey would be. And Keldons deal goes a year past Collins deal. So by doing this, you get the savings for years to use when its worth it right before Wemby extension would kick in.

[DPG21920]

Prospect Ivey,or regressed year 2 Ivey?

Regressed Ivey. If you this Ivey we’ve seen were in this draft, where would you have him compared to the Dillingham, Reed, Castle, Topic guards

[exstatic]

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A couple more observations from the board. I’m almost more amazed by Sarr’s 37 than Shepherd’s 42. Big men don’t normally have huge verts, because they’re tall and don’t normally have to jump much to get their job done. Collier also didn’t do himself any favors by jumping a 34. When you don’t shoot or pass particularly well, and hang your hat on being an athlete,you should probably actually be an athlete. OTOH, this does show that non vertical athletes can penetrate and finish.

[DesignatedT]

Knecht is testing pretty well. I think he's a little more athletic then people give him credit for and has the ability to be more than just McDermott 2.0.

[exstatic]

Regressed Ivey. If you this Ivey we’ve seen were in this draft, where would you have him compared to the Dillingham, Reed, Castle, Topic guards

Regressed Ivey has already kind of shown his ceiling, so, maybe 7-8?

[Mr. Body]

Reed Shepherd has just jumped a few spots in the draft by jumping a few inches higher than expected.

He still has the slow lateral speed. Too much stock is put on these measurements when they never matter after the draft.

[exstatic]

He still has the slow lateral speed. Too much stock is put on these measurements when they never matter after the draft.

It’s not just the surprise vert. That’s just a cherry on top. He’s also pretty skilled at basketball, and a sniper from downtown. He may have worked his way into the top 3 in this murky undefined draft.

[manufan10]

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[JPB]

I mean real measurements. He doesn't look close to 6'10" at all.

I guess I'll trust your perception on a screen more than the Nike Hoop summit pros who measured him then...

[manufan10]

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[Mr. Body]

I guess I'll trust your perception on a screen more than the Nike Hoop summit pros who measured him then...

Yeah, those places never lie.

[Dverde]

I need those growth plate measurements before I can make a projection….

[couchman]

Reed didn’t even look like he tried too hard to get the vert.
I noticed his hops watching him play in games.
Many of his blocks are the one step jump variety where he gets a lot more air than anyone expects.

I posted my updated big board last week and had Sheppard 2nd overall, partly because I think he’s a better athlete than most people expect. Combine that with his IQ and elite shooting stroke and I think he’s perfect for the Spurs. Wemby will handle the ball so much on inverted pick and roll and Reed would be amazing as the pick guy or the first guy open off of rotation. I might even want him above Risacher (my #1) for fit.

[DPG21920]

Reed didn’t even look like he tried too hard to get the vert.
I noticed his hops watching him play in games.
Many of his blocks are the one step jump variety where he gets a lot more air than anyone expects.

Derrick White with less on ball defense but much better shooting?

[Mugen]

What was Dilly's vert?

Some real classy, gym rat, lunch pail carrying vertical jump #s on that board tbh....

[BatManu20]

Derrick White with less on ball defense but much better shooting?

He's an inch shorter the D-White I believe but not the worst comparison. Derrick has much longer arms though. He has nearly a 6'8 wingspan compared to Sheppard's 6'3 wingspan.

[DPG21920]

He's an inch shorter the D-White I believe but not the worst comparison. Derrick has much longer arms though. He has nearly a 6'8 wingspan compared to Sheppard's 6'3 wingspan.

Ya - it’s not a great comp tbh…Derrick is an all world defender who has worked on his shot. Reed is no where near that but is already a gunner shooter.

[Raven]

think this draft is about to get shaken up

[RC_Drunkford]

He's an inch shorter the D-White I believe but not the worst comparison. Derrick has much longer arms though. He has nearly a 6'8 wingspan compared to Sheppard's 6'3 wingspan.

White has a 6'7.5 wingspan though. No matter who y'all compare Sheppard or Dillingham to, they are both closer to Tre Jones and Trae Young than Derrick White, Tyrese Maxey, Mike Conley, etc. when it comes to length

[DPG21920]

This is going to be fun. HOU at 3 really is a pivot point and then cant rule out ATL doing something big too. Do they draft at 1 and it kicks off a Trae trade request like with Dame in POR? Or do they appease Trae by trading that pick?

[Raven]

He's an inch shorter the D-White I believe but not the worst comparison. Derrick has much longer arms though. He has nearly a 6'8 wingspan compared to Sheppard's 6'3 wingspan.
wow, that's absolute dogshit

[couchman]

He's an inch shorter the D-White I believe but not the worst comparison. Derrick has much longer arms though. He has nearly a 6'8 wingspan compared to Sheppard's 6'3 wingspan.

Reed would have to improve on-ball defense significantly to be anywhere near DWhite, but I think a net zero defender is possible for him. I’m pretty sure White is 3 inches taller and has a 5 inch wingspan advantage and that makes a big difference.

[DesignatedT]

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[couchman]

Unlikely scenario, if both Risacher and Sheppard are available at 4 who do you take?
I still think you take the Frenchman but it’s not an easy call.

[BatManu20]

Sheppard is closer to Kirk Hinrich than he is Derrick White tbh. Hinrich was a little taller with a longer wingspan, but Sheppard is a little more athletic.

[JPB]

/thread. Well, that particular topic. People don't seem to understand relative value. It would be a king's ransom to bring Trae here.

Draft Dilly at eight if that's the kind of skillset you want next Wemby. If he doesn't pan out, you burned the eight pick, not a bunch of picks and tens of millions.

It's called known/proven quality vs. zero guarantees, and that's what you pay for because that's rare and hard to get.

I mean sure, everyone would prefer to get talent for cheaper but in terms of bust probability you can't compare a 3 time all star with an unproven kid with zero NBA games . Not even discussing the pertinence of the trade in itself, and you never know about chemistry, while a ship is never guaranteed, but Trae Young IS already an NBA star, a 20 & 10 guy who would come as such from day 1 in SA. There's no bust possibilty as far as what he brings is concerned.... On the other side, we have no real idea of what Dilly can actually bring or gonna become, or if he's even a starter. There IS a bust probability with him. Sure, it costs you less but at the end of the day, you lose another two years and still don't have your quality PG if he busts...

So It's on any team to determine what is the urgency or pertinence in bringing proven talent vs. propsects, depending on their situation, from rebuidling to contending.

[BatManu20]

Unlikely scenario, if both Risacher and Sheppard are available at 4 who do you take?
I still think you take the Frenchman but it’s not an easy call.

Spurs would almost certainly take Risacher imo. I don't think he'll be available at 4 personally, but that's who I think they'd take.

[DesignatedT]

If Castle can shoot like that and is better offensively then what he was able to showcase at UCONN, he could rise up draft boards and be a target at 4. We know defensively he already shows elite traits.

[OldMan88]

What? No stool sample results yet?

[CorrectCrusader]

He still has the slow lateral speed. Too much stock is put on these measurements when they never matter after the draft.

Film > Combine measurments

[Mugen]

Wasn't Primo the pick because he had a good combine and combine scrimmage? I don't think a lot of the teams put stock into this but I know BWrong def does tbh.

[BatManu20]

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Stuff like this is what makes the combine so intriguing. Every year we see guy(s) who aren't very good shooters light it up during these drills. Is it legit and does it project to the next level? Or did they just have a good showing cause nobody was guarding them? Who knows. If Castle were even a 35% shooter from 3, he'd be a top-5 lock. But, he's not. That's the risk you run taking a guy who hasn't been able to shoot that high in the draft.

[baseline bum]

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ROFL Walter the shooter who can't shoot

[exstatic]

It's called known/proven quality vs. zero guarantees, and that's what you pay for because that's rare and hard to get.

I mean sure, everyone would prefer to get talent for cheaper but in terms of bust probabilityyou can't compare a 3 time all star with an unproven kid with zero NBA games . Not even discussing the pertinence of the trade in itself, ... you knever know about chemistry and a ship is never guaranteed, but Trae Youbg IS already an NBA star, a 20 & 10 guy who would come as such from day 1 in SA. there's no bust possibilty as far as what he brings is concerned. On the other side, we have no real idea of what Dilly is gonna become or if is even a starter...There IS a bust probability with him... Sure, it cost you less but at the end of the day, you lose another two years and still don't have your quality PG if he busts...

I mean, there would neve be any trade for stars otherwise.

As a #1 option, Trae is a bust, and heliocentric players have to be the #1 option. He’s a fine player if you don’t mind being topped out as a first or second round out every year. He passes the eye test but is just really high volume inefficiency, personified. He would constantly be taking shots off of Victor's plate.

[BatManu20]

wow, that's absolute dogshit

Yea definitely not ideal for an already undersized guard with below-average lateral foot-speed. That's why it's hard to project Sheppard to the next level. His defense was elite last year at Kentucky, but who knows if it'll translate to the next level where he's going to be much smaller and less athletic than the guy guarding him every night.

[CorrectCrusader]

Stuff like this is what makes the combine so intriguing. Every year we see guy(s) who aren't very good shooters light it up during these drills. Is it legit and does it project to the next level? Or did they just have a good showing cause nobody was guarding them? Who knows. If Castle were even a 35% shooter from 3, he'd be a top-5 lock. But that's the risk you run taking a guy who hasn't been able to shoot that high in the draft.

Edey shot 56%. Anyone can shoot in an open gym. What matters is form & film

[Bruno]

Topic just got injured. It looks quite serious.

[exstatic]

Stuff like this is what makes the combine so intriguing. Every year we see guy(s) who aren't very good shooters light it up during these drills. Is it legit and does it project to the next level? Or did they just have a good showing cause nobody was guarding them? Who knows. If Castle were even a 35% shooter from 3, he'd be a top-5 lock. But that's the risk you run taking a guy who hasn't been able to shoot that high in the draft.

The sneaky good one on the list is Dunn at 40%. If he were able to shoot 35% I’d take him over Castle. He’s Herb Jones Level on defense.

[CorrectCrusader]

Topic just got injured. It looks quite serious.

Again? :fight

[JPB]

If Castle can shoot like that and is better offensively then what he was able to showcase at UCONN, he could rise up draft boards and be a target at 4. We know defensively he already shows elite traits.

Castle is someone I can really see rising up if he has good workouts, until up to 3.

[Bruno]

https://twitter.com/b92sport/status/1790109355448099237

[JPB]

Topic just got injured. It looks quite serious.

Was never a fan, but gotta feel bad for the kid. Hopefully not that serious, but the timing is awful.

[BatManu20]

The sneaky good one o the list is Dunn at 40%. If he were able to shoot 35% I’d take him over Castle. He’s Herb Jones Level on defense.

Agreed on that. Posted about him a few months ago in the prospects thread. His defense is insane for a kid his age, and he's a great athlete. He just has no offense whatsoever. If he can become a respectable shooter from 3, he can carve out a role in this league. He needs a lot of work though. Would be more intrigued by him if we still had Chip Engelland.

[BatManu20]

Topic just got injured. It looks quite serious.


https://twitter.com/b92sport/status/1790109355448099237


Jesus this kid is made of glass. Terrible luck/timing for him though. Is it that same knee that just caused him to miss 2 months? Hope they didn't rush him back to showcase for the draft.

[JPB]

https://twitter.com/b92sport/status/1790109355448099237

Damn, looks like it's the knee. Same one?

[CorrectCrusader]

Damn, looks like it's the knee. Same one?

Same knee

[RC_Drunkford]

If Topic drops out of the top 8 that's bad news

[benefactor]

Topic just got injured. It looks quite serious.
Yeah I just saw the video of them carrying him off.

[couchman]

Fuck that sucks for Topic!
Also means Washington is less likely to take him.

[JPB]

If Topic drops out of the top 8 that's bad news

If it's ACL, he could withdraw altogether.

[BatManu20]

If it's a serious knee injury, he may end up having to reclassify for the 2025 draft tbh. Which could potentially work in our favor since we'll end up having multiple picks next year too. Tough break for the kid though.

[benefactor]

Well the Spurs aren't picking him now, so there's that

[baseline bum]

Topic just got injured. It looks quite serious.

God damnit I wanted Washington to take him #2

[Dejounte]

Topic would have pushed a player down to the Spurs’ 4th pick. Unfortunate news.

[BatManu20]

God damnit I wanted Washington to take him #2

Same. This sucks tbh. They likely go Risacher now imo.

[baseline bum]

Wonder if a ligament snapped on his jump? Didn't look like a particularly weird landing or anything.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZDmriOtxkw

[scott]

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Three white boys at the top of the list. Wesley Snipes looking for a new hoop partner to take on King and Duck?

[Bruno]

Topic got injured on a play that was nothing special. To me, they made the gamble not to have a surgery on his knee after his January injury and it wasn't the right choice.

It really sucks for Topic. He can still withdraw from the draft and come back next year.