2024 NBA Draft Thread

[Dejounte]

Anyway,


Is Keldon still on the team or did he get included in the Collins/Jones/Branham move?

He Would Be Packaged. I Did A Little Bit Of Research On How Much The Starting Line-Up Changes From Year To Year And In The Last Four Years The Spurs Change At Least One Starter To Three Maximum. I think We Can Count On Wemby And Vassell Being Starters Next Season. We Really Should Package Those Players (And Maybe Include Champ As Well) For A Starting Small Forward, Preferably One That Is A Volume Shooter. I Think That Would Complete The Lineup And We Could Have Salaun, Matas, Or Zaccharie In The Development Pipeline To Take Those Reins In Three Years. IMO, It Would Really Be Perfect If The Spurs Land Murray:

Murray/ Wesley
Vassell/ Julian
Klay/ Cissoko
Sochan/ Salaun
Wemby/ Barlow/ Bassey

[spurraider21]

IDK it's either Dilly or Shephard if I'm taking a PG. Collier has been disappointing, Topic fattened up on weak competition but went cold when playing Euroleague, and Castle shoots 20% from the college three despite not being guarded there. If we still had Chip here I'd be all over Castle since he could probably make him a 30% shooter from the three after seeing how he fixed Kawhi's shot but without Engelland he's a no go.
Bro topic played like 15 seconds in euro league :lol… can’t take anything from that

[exstatic]

Everything Doesn’t Revolve Around Shooting. The Whole Premise Of My Post Extends Beyond That. I Don’t Close The Book On A Player Because He Lacks Shooting, Especially When Said Player Shows Promise In Many Other Facets Of The Game. I’m Already High On Dillingham But His Frame Is Too Small To Be Convince Me That He Won’t Be A Liability On Defense Especially When He Has To Switch On Guys Like Anthony Edwards Or Jaylen Brown. Collier Is A Big “6’3” In The Same Manner As Jrue Is. That Boy Is Thick And Can Defend His Ass Off.

Collier can’t defend at all, nor shoot, or pass. He does one thing well: penetrate and score. That would be fine if he were 6’6” and not 6’3”. That skill will be tough to translate to the NBA at his size and the level he does it now in college.

[mo7888]

One guy I think we're sleeping on is Matas Buzelis. It's somewhat understandable because of where he's playing, but the fit is undeniable and the skill level is there. There's a little Franz Wagner in there..

[exstatic]

One guy I think we're sleeping on is Matas Buzelis. It's somewhat understandable because of where he's playing, but the fit is undeniable and the skill level is there. There's a little Franz Wagner in there..

The one discriminating factor about Wagner is that he had a basket full of skills AND was a top notch shooter in all categories. Buzelis ain’t the latter.

[r0drig0lac]

One guy I think we're sleeping on is Matas Buzelis. It's somewhat understandable because of where he's playing, but the fit is undeniable and the skill level is there. There's a little Franz Wagner in there..
It's my third choice, after Sarr and Risacher.

[TD 21]

Murray’s really only going to be here for probably three years, if obtained. He’ll be 30 at that point, and looking for a payday. Any PG you draft this year will be ready to take the reins at that point.

Yeah, I've thought of that too. But I also get the sense they prefer to retain Jones beyond his current contract as well.

[mo7888]

The one discriminating factor about Wagner is that he had a basket full of skills AND was a top notch shooter in all categories. Buzelis ain’t the latter.

Buzelis will be a better 3 pt shooter than Wagner in the league is my expectation. Wagner has never been a knock down guy from outside. An advantage Wagner has is his ability to guard 4's. Im not sure Buzelis has enough strength to do that, but he'll be fine everywhere else.

[CGD]

One guy I think we're sleeping on is Matas Buzelis. It's somewhat understandable because of where he's playing, but the fit is undeniable and the skill level is there. There's a little Franz Wagner in there..

Totally agree. I think this is the draft to go for need with the top selection, and for me it’s that spacing big wing that can hold their own reasonably well on D. Matas has to be right behind Rasicher when it comes to that mold, with Williams being the 3rd.

[rascal]

Same reason I don't want Castle unless he starts sliding to the 20s (doubtful in such a lousy draft). Then I'd want to make a move to try to snag him as a low risk high potential guy.

Why? I like Castle's all around game but yes needs work on 3 point shooting. People still wanted to draft Sochan even with bad 3 point shooting and now people are already happy with his improved numbers.

Truth is if Castle starts slipping in drafts out of the lottery and into the 20s he will stay in school another year.

[CGD]

One guy I think we're sleeping on is Matas Buzelis. It's somewhat understandable because of where he's playing, but the fit is undeniable and the skill level is there. There's a little Franz Wagner in there..

Whose your current top 5?

[baseline bum]

Bro topic played like 15 seconds in euro league :lol… can’t take anything from that

Played a game and a half. What am I supposed to take from him statpadding against a bunch of chain smoking white guys in the ABA?

[baseline bum]

Why? I like Castle's all around game but yes needs work on 3 point shooting. People still wanted to draft Sochan even with bad 3 point shooting and now people are already happy with his improved numbers.

Truth is if Castle starts slipping in drafts out of the lottery and into the 20s he will stay in school another year.

Don't know why you want to invoke Sochan here when teams leave Castle wide open at the three point line just like they do Sochan.

[rascal]

Don't know why you want to invoke Sochan here when teams leave Castle wide open at the three point line just like they do Sochan.

Castle doesn't even shoot many 3 pt shots. UCONN plays a team game and involves many players.

[RC_Drunkford]

I think the Spurs should plan for the 2026 free agency. This is when Doncic can opt out, Trae Young can terminate his contract, Mikal Bridges and Jaren Jackson Jr. become free agents. Of course all that only happens if none of them sign an extension, but all these guys would be a great fit and would probably like to play here in order to contend.

[mo7888]

Whose your current top 5?

1. Zaccharie Risacher
2. Alex Sarr
3. Nikola Topic
4. Tidjane Salaun
5. Matas Buzelis

That's not a Spurs board, just where I currently have the top 5.

[BackHome]

I mentioned Ivusic last season when the serbian scout that got Jokic to the NBA was talking about him on All the Smoke. Don't want to draft a big though, PG and SF is what the Spurs should be looking at.

Yeah, I remember reading that and I started to follow him I came away impressed and was looking at the Kentucky situation and wondering if he was not allowed to play would he come out. Well after watching them kill a decent Georgia team I am pretty sure he is now being looked as a top 10 pick. If he continues having a few more games like he did he is easily a top 3 pick in this weak draft and he might even go number 1 as the kid can shoot, pass, block shots, catch and dunk, etc....and you can tell his fellow player really like him

[scott]

I think the Spurs should plan for the 2026 free agency. This is when Doncic can opt out, Trae Young can terminate his contract, Mikal Bridges and Jaren Jackson Jr. become free agents. Of course all that only happens if none of them sign an extension, but all these guys would be a great fit and would probably like to play here in order to contend.

I'm at the stage where I just assume that Free Agency will only be for picking up role players. Stars and starting caliber players rarely, if ever, reach Free Agency these days - and when they do they are flawed players who require a huge overpay (FVV, Brooks) or are often just setting the value to return to their current team (Lopez).

Going back 4 seasons, here are the "best" players who actually switched teams in FA and their deals. I say "best" because I'm just looking at them ranked by the avg salary of their new deal because best is subjective and this is easy. I drew the line at $10MM avg salary. Why only 4 seasons? Bc that's as far back as Spotrac goes without a membership and they make it easy to put this list together. S&Ts are included in this list.


2020: Hayward (4/120), Gallinari (3/61), Jerami Grant (3/60), B Bogdanovic (4/72), C Wood (3/41)

2021: Lowry (3/85), DDR (3/85), Lonzo Ball (4/80), Fournier (4/73), Dinwiddie (3/54), Markkanen (4/67), McDermott (3/42), Oubre Jr (2/25), Olynyk (3/37), Devonte Graham (4/47 - note, RFA), Bullock (3/30)

2022: Brunson (4/104), Sexton (4/71), PJ Tucker (3/33)

2023: FVV (3/129), Brooks (4/86), Bruce Brown (2/45), Strus (4/62), Grant Williams (4/53), Schroder (2/25), DiVincenzo (4/47), Gabe Vincent (3/33), Ingles (2/22)

There are a handful of "smart" moves that were difference makers or could have been if not for a team otherwise tanking/rebuilding (Lauri, Brunson, arguably DDR, etc.) but for the most part these are all just role player moves. I wouldn't count on any of Doncic, Young, Bridges, Jackson Jr, etc. ever hitting FA.

[spurraider21]

Played a game and a half. What am I supposed to take from him statpadding against a bunch of chain smoking white guys in the ABA?
I agree that he needs to prove himself in euro league. But I’m not taking anything from the 15 minutes he’s played so far :lol

[mo7888]

I'm at the stage where I just assume that Free Agency will only be for picking up role players. Stars and starting caliber players rarely, if ever, reach Free Agency these days - and when they do they are flawed players who require a huge overpay (FVV, Brooks) or are often just setting the value to return to their current team (Lopez).

Going back 4 seasons, here are the "best" players who actually switched teams in FA and their deals. I say "best" because I'm just looking at them ranked by the avg salary of their new deal because best is subjective and this is easy. I drew the line at $10MM avg salary. Why only 4 seasons? Bc that's as far back as Spotrac goes without a membership and they make it easy to put this list together. S&Ts are included in this list.


2020: Hayward (4/120), Gallinari (3/61), Jerami Grant (3/60), B Bogdanovic (4/72), C Wood (3/41)

2021: Lowry (3/85), DDR (3/85), Lonzo Ball (4/80), Fournier (4/73), Dinwiddie (3/54), Markkanen (4/67), McDermott (3/42), Oubre Jr (2/25), Olynyk (3/37), Devonte Graham (4/47 - note, RFA), Bullock (3/30)

2022: Brunson (4/104), Sexton (4/71), PJ Tucker (3/33)

2023: FVV (3/129), Brooks (4/86), Bruce Brown (2/45), Strus (4/62), Grant Williams (4/53), Schroder (2/25), DiVincenzo (4/47), Gabe Vincent (3/33), Ingles (2/22)

There are a handful of "smart" moves that were difference makers or could have been if not for a team otherwise tanking/rebuilding (Lauri, Brunson, arguably DDR, etc.) but for the most part these are all just role player moves. I wouldn't count on any of Doncic, Young, Bridges, Jackson Jr, etc. ever hitting FA.

That really adds some perspective..

[exstatic]

Buzelis will be a better 3 pt shooter than Wagner in the league is my expectation. Wagner has never been a knock down guy from outside. An advantage Wagner has is his ability to guard 4's. Im not sure Buzelis has enough strength to do that, but he'll be fine everywhere else.

TaT projects him as a 34% 3 point shooter in the NBA, slightly below average. That maybe a tad optimistic in my mind, as his 75% FTs aren’t a real strong shooting signal to go from 27% to 34%.

[mo7888]

TaT projects him as a 34% 3 point shooter in the NBA, slightly below average. That maybe a tad optimistic in my mind, as his 75% FTs aren’t a real strong shooting signal to go from 27% to 34%.

That doesn't really compell me very much. I take advanced stats in context. He's playing for a joke of a team this year, so I'm pretty much disregarding this season. I do look at his hs numbers and I particularly look at his form and if he takes good 3's or not and how much improvement he can achieve through shot selection. When looking at his hs stats I see a guy who averaged 15.7 points and 5.6 rebounds per game while shooting 54 percent from the field, 42.4 percent from 3-point range and 80 percent from the free throw line. Shooting won't be a problem, especially if looked at with an eye towards improved shot selection.

[Mr. Body]

TaT projects him as a 34% 3 point shooter in the NBA, slightly below average. That maybe a tad optimistic in my mind, as his 75% FTs aren’t a real strong shooting signal to go from 27% to 34%.

Tankathon is a great source for many things. Their projected 3p% for nearly any player just feels like it's pulled out of their ass.

[exstatic]

Tankathon is a great source for many things. Their projected 3p% for nearly any player just feels like it's pulled out of their ass.

Sometimes, but sometimes they base possible improvements on things like high FT%, which is a shooting signal. I already said I thought their estimate was optimistic in this case, so in a sense, I agree with you.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'm at the stage where I just assume that Free Agency will only be for picking up role players. Stars and starting caliber players rarely, if ever, reach Free Agency these days - and when they do they are flawed players who require a huge overpay (FVV, Brooks) or are often just setting the value to return to their current team (Lopez).

Going back 4 seasons, here are the "best" players who actually switched teams in FA and their deals. I say "best" because I'm just looking at them ranked by the avg salary of their new deal because best is subjective and this is easy. I drew the line at $10MM avg salary. Why only 4 seasons? Bc that's as far back as Spotrac goes without a membership and they make it easy to put this list together. S&Ts are included in this list.


2020: Hayward (4/120), Gallinari (3/61), Jerami Grant (3/60), B Bogdanovic (4/72), C Wood (3/41)

2021: Lowry (3/85), DDR (3/85), Lonzo Ball (4/80), Fournier (4/73), Dinwiddie (3/54), Markkanen (4/67), McDermott (3/42), Oubre Jr (2/25), Olynyk (3/37), Devonte Graham (4/47 - note, RFA), Bullock (3/30)

2022: Brunson (4/104), Sexton (4/71), PJ Tucker (3/33)

2023: FVV (3/129), Brooks (4/86), Bruce Brown (2/45), Strus (4/62), Grant Williams (4/53), Schroder (2/25), DiVincenzo (4/47), Gabe Vincent (3/33), Ingles (2/22)

There are a handful of "smart" moves that were difference makers or could have been if not for a team otherwise tanking/rebuilding (Lauri, Brunson, arguably DDR, etc.) but for the most part these are all just role player moves. I wouldn't count on any of Doncic, Young, Bridges, Jackson Jr, etc. ever hitting FA.

yeah the free agency market has been terrible in recent years cause players sign extensions to secure the money and then switch teams after. Still there might be a chance some of these guys don't extend their contracts and that could get some trade talks going if they only have a year left.

[Mr. Body]

I don't understand any lingering interest in Collier. He's pretty terrible, tbh, and even worse when you watch him. Two glaring, very glaring, issues are an inability to connect even relatively basic passes and a lackadaisical, lazy interest in defense. These may be fixed over time, I suppose, but he doesn't have a lottery grade for me. Maybe in a bad draft end of lottery. I mean... Jalen Hood-Schifino was drafted 17 and I'd definitely pick Collier over him. So there's something there, but not with a lottery pick imo.

[Mr. Body]

The nice thing about this draft is that we will be able to pull a guard and a wing - if we want to and if Toronto conveys.

For the first time ever (or in memory?) the top three picks could be foreigners. At least for now, Sarr, Risacher, and Topic have separated themselves as that trio. Of course things change.

Our pick - if we can manage one of those players, I value Topic or Risacher. Big questions about both, but they have key talents/skills, come from professional basketball backgrounds, etc.

Toronto pick - depending on how the first pick goes, I'm with a lot of us and like Salaun or Buzelis to go with Topic. I don't have a good feel for Holland. If we go Risacher (or not), I could see a guard.

I've watched Ja'Kobe Walter, who seems like a slightly smaller, slightly worse Bennedict Mathurin and isn't an archetype we need right now.

It's hard to draw a bead on Reed Sheppard. His advanced metrics are mind-blowing, yet he rarely seems dominant on the court. He's incredibly efficient and never seems to miss his shots, is scrappy and does a lot of little things well. I see a Mark Price here. But... is it a mirage?

I also like Dillingham a lot though he's a type I'm not sure would get the Spurs excited - undersize, not a great defender because of it, high usage rate.

There are few players I'm really interested in so far and it's good that we're within that narrow band.

[scott]

At least for now, Sarr, Risacher, and Topic have separated themselves as that trio. Of course things change.



As a more casual consumer of prospect analysis, I think it says a lot about this class that Topic has separated himself by not playing for the last 3 weeks. It's just hard to get excited about this bunch, but maybe there are lots of diamonds in the rough here.

[Mr. Body]

As a more casual consumer of prospect analysis, I think it says a lot about this class that Topic has separated himself by not playing for the last 3 weeks. It's just hard to get excited about this bunch, but maybe there are lots of diamonds in the rough here.

I feel stronger about Topic than Sarr, who plays limited minutes in a pretty mediocre league.

[SOMA Spur]

Does anyone like Sarr with our second pick? Doubt he slips to 7 but with the amount of chaos projected in this draft, he might. Let's say we've picked a wing with our top 3 pick (Risacher), and Topic and Dilly are off the board, do you go BPA which might be Sarr. And can anyone make the case for him somehow fitting with our team? I imagine his floor is he could be our defensive anchor for the second unit. And his ceiling - being able to play PF next to Wemby in an insane lineup. I still would probably pass on Sarr and grab Saluan or Sheppard, but its a fun thought experiment if he's still on the board at 7 or 8.

[LeBowen]

We have one of the worst rosters in the league, if not the worst without Wemby.
I don't know much about this draft class, but you get the best player available.
If Sarr is the best, get him. Fit doesn't matter. We're nowhere near that stage yet.

[exstatic]

Does anyone like Sarr with our second pick? Doubt he slips to 7 but with the amount of chaos projected in this draft, he might. Let's say we've picked a wing with our top 3 pick (Risacher), and Topic and Dilly are off the board, do you go BPA which might be Sarr. And can anyone make the case for him somehow fitting with our team? I imagine his floor is he could be our defensive anchor for the second unit. And his ceiling - being able to play PF next to Wemby in an insane lineup. I still would probably pass on Sarr and grab Saluan or Sheppard, but its a fun thought experiment if he's still on the board at 7 or 8.

He won’t be there at the second pick, and he’s pretty much just a 5. Not wanting to use a top 10 pick on a player you know will be Wemby’s backup. Bigs I want are Risacher and Salaun.

[rascal]

Does anyone like Sarr with our second pick? Doubt he slips to 7 but with the amount of chaos projected in this draft, he might. Let's say we've picked a wing with our top 3 pick (Risacher), and Topic and Dilly are off the board, do you go BPA which might be Sarr. And can anyone make the case for him somehow fitting with our team? I imagine his floor is he could be our defensive anchor for the second unit. And his ceiling - being able to play PF next to Wemby in an insane lineup. I still would probably pass on Sarr and grab Saluan or Sheppard, but its a fun thought experiment if he's still on the board at 7 or 8.

You want Sarr you'll have to take him with the first pick and likely will need the first overall pick.

[scott]

I feel stronger about Topic than Sarr, who plays limited minutes in a pretty mediocre league.

This actually makes me feel even worse about this draft :lol

[baseline bum]

I feel stronger about Topic than Sarr, who plays limited minutes in a pretty mediocre league.

How do you complain about the NBL being pretty mediocre while elevating Topic whose production has come entirely in the ABA?

[baseline bum]

This actually makes me feel even worse about this draft :lol

IDK Risacher, Dillingham, Sheppard, and Williams all look pretty interesting. Sarr too, but not for the Spurs. Definitely trade that pick for a veteran building block if he's still on the board when the Spurs are drafting.

[Mr. Body]

How do you complain about the NBL being pretty mediocre while elevating Topic whose production has come entirely in the ABA?

NBL is worse than ABA. Recent picks from there haven't been ready at all, or even close. Topic has been the main guy for an ABA team and received a call-up to the best league in Europe. Meanwhile Sarr is only a back-up...

[Mr. Body]

This actually makes me feel even worse about this draft :lol

As I've said elsewhere, I think this draft is pretty good for us from around 2/3-10. We're going to find a couple of good players. I don't want the first pick in this draft at all. I'm even pretty iffy about paying a top 2 or 3 salary to Topic or Risacher. But if our picks land somewhere between 3-9 as expected we'll be doing pretty well.

[baseline bum]

NBL is worse than ABA. Recent picks from there haven't been ready at all, or even close. Topic has been the main guy for an ABA team and received a call-up to the best league in Europe. Meanwhile Sarr is only a back-up...

And he was awful in that game and a half in Euroleague. He is going to have to show something there to get me excited.

[baseline bum]

As I've said elsewhere, I think this draft is pretty good for us from around 2/3-10. We're going to find a couple of good players. I don't want the first pick in this draft at all. I'm even pretty iffy about paying a top 2 or 3 salary to Topic or Risacher. But if our picks land somewhere between 3-9 as expected we'll be doing pretty well.

First pick would have great trade value for someone who wants Sarr. If I got #2 though tough call between Williams and Risacher.

[Mr. Body]

And he was awful in that game and a half in Euroleague. He is going to have to show something there to get me excited.

He was literally playing for the first time with the team, yeah? And he wasn't awful, lol. I'm not a huge fan of Topic at this point, but get real.

[baseline bum]

We have one of the worst rosters in the league, if not the worst without Wemby.
I don't know much about this draft class, but you get the best player available.
If Sarr is the best, get him. Fit doesn't matter. We're nowhere near that stage yet.

Sarr's not Tim Duncan where the talent justifies saying to hell with the fit. No one in this draft is. Team is talent depleted enough you draft best available if it's not Sarr (eg a center) though, and if it is Sarr you trade him.

[baseline bum]

He was literally playing for the first time with the team, yeah? And he wasn't awful, lol. I'm not a huge fan of Topic at this point, but get real.

GTFO, you're a huge homer for Topic :lol

Very impressive 4 pts, 4 ast, 1 reb in 20 minutes in his inaugural game, let's spend the #2 pick on that kind of production. Unless he starts producing in Euroleague no thanks. Also LOL first time with the team that he has played for going on three years now.

[Mr. Body]

GTFO, you're a huge homer for Topic :lol

Very impressive 4 pts, 4 ast, 1 reb in 20 minutes in his inaugural game, let's spend the #2 pick on that kind of production. Unless he starts producing in Euroleague no thanks. Also LOL first time with the team that he has played for going on three years now.

I'm really not trying to sell anybody on Topic, but don't be a dumbass. It was a single game and far better than Sarr's doing. That's the point. I'd much rather not get a point who can't shoot and struggles on defense, but the team will be looking at him. Get used to it.

[baseline bum]

I'm really not trying to sell anybody on Topic, but don't be a dumbass. It was a single game and far better than Sarr's doing. That's the point. I'd much rather not get a point who can't shoot and struggles on defense, but the team will be looking at him. Get used to it.

Was also his third game playing for that team this year, not his first. You have been on Topic's jock since the beginning of the season the same way the media has been on Chet's.

[LeBowen]

Sarr's not Tim Duncan where the talent justifies saying to hell with the fit. No one in this draft is. Team is talent depleted enough you draft best available if it's not Sarr (eg a center) though, and if it is Sarr you trade him.

I know nothing about Sarr, but if the kid is talented enough, it can work.
Wemby won't play more than 30ish mpg as long as Pop is still here, so we'd get our backup C.

But yeah, trading down wouldn't be the worst idea.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/Barlowe500/status/1749546808777335229

[Ditty]

I really hope Washington gets the first pick. They would 100% go with Sarr imo.

If we somehow land Risacher and Topic this draft :lobt2:

[r0drig0lac]

We have one of the worst rosters in the league, if not the worst without Wemby.
I don't know much about this draft class, but you get the best player available.
If Sarr is the best, get him. Fit doesn't matter. We're nowhere near that stage yet.

this

[DPG21920]

I dont like anyone in this draft :lol… I am sure that will change as I look into it more seriously later, but as of now? I hope SA lands number one just so on paper it has more trade value.

[DPG21920]

Right now Im thinking: Cody Williams, Zaccharie Risacher or Rob Dillingham. 2 of those 3 if SA has two top 10 picks. But I would rather trade the pick(s) at this point.

[spurraider21]

Right now Im thinking: Cody Williams, Zaccharie Risacher or Rob Dillingham. 2 of those 3 if SA has two top 10 picks. But I would rather trade the pick(s) at this point.
im in the same boat. think i prefer risacher to williams but i wouldnt be upset either way. if the spurs get #1 they still have to do their due diligence on sarr even if its not a positional need. if he's the bpa, you still go with that. his production is pretty mediocre, though, so im not convinced he's the best player.

i also want to reserve judgment on topic until he gets some meaningful euroleague exposure.

a lot of hype on ivisic after his debut, but definitely need more of a sample size there. at the very least his outside shot looks real. i still need to be convinced on the other stuff

depending on where the TOR pick lands, you might not be able to get 2 of the 3 you mentioned, and instead would be taking a shot on a guy like sheppard and betting he can be a full time PG

[SpursBills]

Topic's defense and shooting continue to be concerning, but I'm willing to give him time to settle into Euroleague. Luka Doncic was 6 months younger than Topic when he averaged 8/4.5/3.5 in Euroleague. If Topic can even get close to that it's honestly a positive signal. I'd be most interested in seeing his 2 point FG% in Euroleague to see if his rim-finishing translates. If it doesn't he loses over half of his appeal and I'd be looking at other guys like Sheppard for the guard spot.

[DPG21920]

im in the same boat. think i prefer risacher to williams but i wouldnt be upset either way. if the spurs get #1 they still have to do their due diligence on sarr even if its not a positional need. if he's the bpa, you still go with that. his production is pretty mediocre, though, so im not convinced he's the best player.

i also want to reserve judgment on topic until he gets some meaningful euroleague exposure.

a lot of hype on ivisic after his debut, but definitely need more of a sample size there. at the very least his outside shot looks real. i still need to be convinced on the other stuff

depending on where the TOR pick lands, you might not be able to get 2 of the 3 you mentioned, and instead would be taking a shot on a guy like sheppard and betting he can be a full time PG

Hoping worst case is something like pick 3 + pick 8…but theres a very real chance SA gets pick 5 or 6 and TOR leaps into top 4. It’s going to be a nervy finish to the season to see if TOR can finish in that 7 spot and then during that draft lottery hoping TOR doesnt leap up.

But IF SA gets say pick 3 + 8? I think they can get 2 of those 3 (even if it may require moving up a pick or something)

[spurraider21]

Hoping worst case is something like pick 3 + pick 8…but theres a very real chance SA gets pick 5 or 6 and TOR leaps into top 4. It’s going to be a nervy finish to the season to see if TOR can finish in that 7 spot and then during that draft lottery hoping TOR doesnt leap up.

But IF SA gets say pick 3 + 8? I think they can get 2 of those 3 (even if it may require moving up a pick or something)
one could argue its better to get a pick in 2025 than 2024, but tbh the possibility of the spurs having 5 first rounders in one draft terrifies me :lol

[DPG21920]

one could argue its better to get a pick in 2025 than 2024, but tbh the possibility of the spurs having 5 first rounders in one draft terrifies me :lol

I see that argument, but there’s something to be said for bird in hand with assets; especially lottery picks. I would rather have the pick this year (even in a weaker draft) and be able to trade it with more certainty for something in 25 or later than have to wait it out etc…but theres an argument for both. But with what SA needs I will take the extra lottery pick ASAP

[rascal]

I see that argument, but there’s something to be said for bird in hand with assets; especially lottery picks. I would rather have the pick this year (even in a weaker draft) and be able to trade it with more certainty for something in 25 or later than have to wait it out etc…but theres an argument for both. But with what SA needs I will take the extra lottery pick ASAP

Spurs are already getting two picks next year. It's better if they get another top 10 pick this year with the Toronto pick.

[rascal]

Sarr would give the Spurs the top frontline in the league and would allow Wemby to move off center at times which he wants to do. He doesn't want to be stuck at center all the time.

[rascal]

Right now Im thinking: Cody Williams, Zaccharie Risacher or Rob Dillingham. 2 of those 3 if SA has two top 10 picks. But I would rather trade the pick(s) at this point.

You can get a player like Zaccharie Risacher next year.

Sarr is more of an unusual player with his combination of size, agility and athleticism.

[spurraider21]

You can get a player like Zaccharie Risacher next year.

Sarr is more of an unusual player with his combination of size, agility and athleticism.
why was he only playing 19mpg?

[rascal]

why was he only playing 19mpg?

Probably his age of 18. It wasn't because of poor play, he averages 19pts/gm in those minutes, that's a point a minute.

[spurraider21]

Probably his age of 18. It wasn't because of poor play, he averages 19pts/gm in those minutes, that's a point a minute.
he averages 9 ppg

[rascal]

he averages 9 ppg

I was looking at per 36 minutes/game so not a point per minute

[Dejounte]

They Need To Draft A Big Thicc Boi. Think Clingan Or Edey Would Be Good As A Backup C. If They Go This Route, Then Barlow And Collins Need To Go.

[rascal]

They Need To Draft A Big Thicc Boi. Think Clingan Or Edey Would Be Good As A Backup C. If They Go This Route, Then Barlow And Collins Need To Go.

They need a better stronger rebounder at pf. Move Sochan to the bench. Wemby is going to need more help on the boards from a starter.

[Dejounte]

They need a better stronger rebounder at pf. Move Sochan to the bench. Wemby is going to need more help on the boards from a starter.

That’s Not Going To Solve The Issue We’re Seeing In This Sixers Game And In Other Games: When Wemby Sits, There Are No Defensive Anchors. The Team Needs A Backup Big Who Will Be Able To Secure Rebounds And Matchup Against Big Players.

[Dejounte]

Collier/ Tre
Vassell/ Wesley
Veteran SF/ Cissoko
Sochan/ Cedi
Wemby/ Edey

Trade Keldon, Barlow, Collins, Branham, Julian

[rascal]

That’s Not Going To Solve The Issue We’re Seeing In This Sixers Game And In Other Games: When Wemby Sits, There Are No Defensive Anchors. The Team Needs A Backup Big Who Will Be Able To Secure Rebounds And Matchup Against Big Players.

Yes it is going to solve the problem to have another defensive anchor on the team's roster.

A big like Sarr would help. Wemby has no one on this roster who is strong in the paint. When he sits there is no one strong enough to secure rebounds and defend.

[Dejounte]

Yes it is going to solve the problem to have another defensive anchor on the team's roster.

A big like Sarr would help. Wemby has no one on this roster who is strong in the paint. When he sits there is no one strong enough to secure rebounds and defend.
Watch Sarr Some More. He Is Not Strong. He’s Built Like Jaren Jackson Jr And Is Not A Bruiser In The Paint. He Will Easily Be Shoved By Bigger Players. He Only Weighs 217 Lbs. You Need To Look At Players Who Weigh 265 Lbs And Up.

[rascal]

Watch Sarr Some More. He Is Not Strong. He’s Built Like Jaren Jackson Jr And Is Not A Bruiser In The Paint. He Will Easily Be Shoved By Bigger Players. He Only Weighs 217 Lbs. You Need To Look At Players Who Weigh 265 Lbs And Up.

he's 18 and will fill out. I see him at 224 on another site. I have watched highlights and he looks strong with quickness. He's taller with a longer reach than Jaren Jackson. Jackson is a different player.
Standing at an imposing 7-foot-1 with a 7-foot-5 wingspan, Sarr is a skyscraping wing in a center's body

[spurraider21]

Collier/ Tre
Vassell/ Wesley
Veteran SF/ Cissoko
Sochan/ Cedi
Wemby/ Edey

Trade Keldon, Barlow, Collins, Branham, Julian
we dont need a less talented boban

[rascal]

we dont need a less talented boban

He isn't considering quickness at all.

[Dejounte]

he's 18 and will fill out. I see him at 224 on another site. I have watched highlights and he looks strong with quickness. He's taller with a longer reach than Jaren Jackson. Jackson is a different player.
Standing at an imposing 7-foot-1 with a 7-foot-5 wingspan, Sarr is a skyscraping wing in a center's body

People Said Vassell Would Fill Out. Frame Matters. Sarr’s Shoulders Arent Wide Enough. There Isnt Much To Grow Into. The Best Rebounders In The NBA Are At Least 250 Lbs. It Is Unheard Of For An NBA Player To Gain Even That Much Weight If That Was Sarr’s Goal.

[Dejounte]

we dont need a less talented boban

It Doesn’t Have To Be Edey.

[Dejounte]

He isn't considering quickness at all.

The Top Rebounders In The League Arent Quick.

[Atl Spur]

You boys got Edey all wrong……this game proves the need!!!! Sarr is to light in the ass. This is rare occasion where we can get a well conditioned big man 300 plus and shots free throws well.

[Seventyniner]

why was he only playing 19mpg?

Why is Victor only playing 24 mpg?

If you squint real hard, Sarr could be Sampson to Victor's Hakeem.

[spurraider21]

Why is Victor only playing 24 mpg?

If you squint real hard, Sarr could be Sampson to Victor's Hakeem.
sarr is a much worse shooter than wemby. he's barely hitting 60% of his FTs

[onechance87]

one could argue its better to get a pick in 2025 than 2024, but tbh the possibility of the spurs having 5 first rounders in one draft terrifies me :lol

this teams need talent now....Not 2 or 3 years later...I would be so annoyed if we
dont raptors pick this year

[Seventyniner]

sarr is a much worse shooter than wemby. he's barely hitting 60% of his FTs

Sampson was a career 66.1% FT shooter. I wasn't being terribly serious but maybe I was on to something by accident.

[SpursBills]

Is it a more efficient move to try and trade a mid first rounder for Nic Claxton than it is to hope for the #1 overall to draft Sarr?

[DPG21920]

MEM trouncing TOR in TOR really sucks. Was a pretty big game we needed TOR to win for the pick to convey. Just got a little less likely now.

[scott]

MEM trouncing TOR in TOR really sucks. Was a pretty big game we needed TOR to win for the pick to convey. Just got a little less likely now.

This, coupled with the weakness of this year's class AND the abundance of picks already next year makes me increasingly hope we just trade the TOR pick.

[Mr. Body]

You guys have no idea what kind of player Sarr is. You just saw him in style ESPN mock draft and nothing else matters. It's like just walking through a mall.

[onechance87]

MEM trouncing TOR in TOR really sucks. Was a pretty big game we needed TOR to win for the pick to convey. Just got a little less likely now.

fucking pathetic

[BackHome]

I think your going to start seeing a lot of mocks change and I think the following players are my new favorite.

1. Zvonimir Ivisic a 7'2 PF/C who had an outstanding game against a really good Georgia team - With his outside shooting and athletisicm I think he could easily start at PF and we got the two towers. He is not explosive as Sarr but is much better at shooting and passing for a big man. I would use our first pick on him as his upside is pretty damn high

2. Cody Williams 6'8 SF - Since coming off his wrist injury he played some very good basketball and I just like the way he plays - He is a team player you can tell he has ball IQ and is a good passer and plays defense. Yeah, he is not very explosives' but one thing he has going for him he is a legit 6'8 and with a wingspan of 7'2 he can just do things other players can not. l

3. Dalton Knecht 6'6 SG/SF - Man this guy is just lighting it up on the offensive side for the last few games if you want a true shooter this guy is your pick.
Jan 10 Mississippi State - 28 pts
Jan 13 Georgia - 36pts
Jan 16 Florida - 39pts
Jan 20 Alabama - 25pts

[CorrectCrusader]

Topic's defense and shooting continue to be concerning, but I'm willing to give him time to settle into Euroleague. Luka Doncic was 6 months younger than Topic when he averaged 8/4.5/3.5 in Euroleague. If Topic can even get close to that it's honestly a positive signal. I'd be most interested in seeing his 2 point FG% in Euroleague to see if his rim-finishing translates. If it doesn't he loses over half of his appeal and I'd be looking at other guys like Sheppard for the guard spot.

Yep, got six months to figure this out.

[rascal]

You guys have no idea what kind of player Sarr is. You just saw him in style ESPN mock draft and nothing else matters. It's like just walking through a mall.

And you don't know any of the players either.

[DPG21920]

This, coupled with the weakness of this year's class AND the abundance of picks already next year makes me increasingly hope we just trade the TOR pick.

Fo sho…dont hesitate to trade it for a good player if that opportunity arises right now.

[Gibbz]

Yahoo's newest mock today has the Spurs taking Zaccharie Risacher at #3. He apparently played with/against Wemby quite a bit growing up. There's also a new ESPN Insider article arguing his case to go #1 overall--their player comps for him were Khris Middleton if his off-the-dribble game develops and Trey Murphy if not.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Trade both picks for Murray and hope Edey falls to 35. We won’t give up 20 offensive rebounds with Murray helping. We aren’t going to find a better PG than Murray in this draft.

[Mr. Body]

And you don't know any of the players either.

Yeah?

[exstatic]

Yahoo's newest mock today has the Spurs taking Zaccharie Risacher at #3. He apparently played with/against Wemby quite a bit growing up. There's also a new ESPN Insider article arguing his case to go #1 overall--their player comps for him were Khris Middleton if his off-the-dribble game develops and Trey Murphy if not.

I just watching the YouTubes with the French announcers sounding like they’re calling a soccer game.

REE zah SHAAAAY!!

[Mr. Body]

If Toronto doesn't convey and the chance of double dipping disappears, I wonder if they may lean toward a position if players are equal. Personally value a shooting wing over an iffy guard.

[Russ]

3. Dalton Knecht 6'6 SG/SF - Man this guy is just lighting it up on the offensive side for the last few games if you want a true shooter this guy is your pick.
Jan 10 Mississippi State - 28 pts
Jan 13 Georgia - 36pts
Jan 16 Florida - 39pts
Jan 20 Alabama - 25pts

That guy may be forcing himself into the conversation (even if he's a 22-year-old).

[exstatic]

That guy may be forcing himself into the conversation (even if he's a 22-year-old).

Rare that older players get picked in the lottery. Most are more NBA ready, but are already at or near their ceilings.

[Pauleta14]

Jalen Williams was 21 when drafted

[exstatic]

Jalen Williams was 21 when drafted

Rare doesn’t mean never. Indy also picked Chris Duarte at age 24 with the 13th pick. He came out like gangbusters as a rookie, but has pretty much flatlined since. They passed on Sengün and Trey Murphy III.

[RC_Drunkford]

the Spurs just need a shotblocking rim rolling big like Poeltl when he came off the bench back in the days. Those guys usually have crazy net ratings and are high impact players for short stretches to help your bench make some runs. And they are not that hard to find nor do they earn a lot. Spurs don't have to waste a top 10 pick on that archetype.

[Big Empty]

If Toronto doesn't convey and the chance of double dipping disappears, I wonder if they may lean toward a position if players are equal. Personally value a shooting wing over an iffy guard. we lose a first rounder if it doesnt convey all together? Not even next year?

[Mr. Body]

we lose a first rounder if it doesnt convey all together? Not even next year?

I don't know what you mean.

[Big Empty]

I don't know what you mean.
The Jakob Poeltl trade may turn out to be one of the best of Brian Wright’s tenure as Spurs GM. Not only did trading the big man aid the Spurs in their race for Wembanyama, but it also netted them the pick that turned into Sidy Cissoko and a top-6 protected first in the 2024 draft. If the pick doesn’t convey in 2024 through 2026, it becomes a second rounder in 2027, making it likely San Antonio get a good additional draft pick in the next three years. (I found the answer) may not be a bad thing if it doesnt pan out this year, maybe we’ll still get their pick for another draft

[exstatic]

we lose a first rounder if it doesnt convey all together? Not even next year?

Double dipping refers to two lottery picks this year. The pick has two more chances to convey before turning into a second.

[scott]

the Spurs just need a shotblocking rim rolling big like Poeltl when he came off the bench back in the days. Those guys usually have crazy net ratings and are high impact players for short stretches to help your bench make some runs. And they are not that hard to find nor do they earn a lot. Spurs don't have to waste a top 10 pick on that archetype.

Sounds like a pretty good description of Charles Bassey and Dom Barlow!

[baseline bum]

we lose a first rounder if it doesnt convey all together? Not even next year?

The Toronto pick is top 6 protected for three years and then turns to two seconds if it hasn't conveyed by then.

[RC_Drunkford]

Sounds like a pretty good description of Charles Bassey and Dom Barlow!

Almost but they are both undersized. They don’t have that type of impact yet. I view Barlow more as an PF due to his size

[Mr. Body]

Dillingham with eleven in the first half vs S Carolina. Carrying them more or less. Remarkable how much talent Kentucky gets and they often look like a mess.

[Mr. Body]

I think I'm out on Sheppard at least where our picks would be. Those adv stats are crazy but he just doesn't do much. It's like he's hyper efficient but because his usage is extremely low.

[Frenchfred]

The Toronto pick is top 6 protected for three years and then turns to two seconds if it hasn't conveyed by then.

so if the pick ends up anywhere in the top6 this year, Toronto keeps it and probably will be better next season so the Spurs might end up with a pick (top 6 protected) in 2025 in a draft that's supposedly better, am I correct? Any reason for us to be upset if it doesn't convey this year?

[scott]

so if the pick ends up anywhere in the top6 this year, Toronto keeps it and probably will be better next season so the Spurs might end up with a pick (top 6 protected) in 2025 in a draft that's supposedly better, am I correct? Any reason for us to be upset if it doesn't convey this year?

The main reason to be upset is that if it conveys next year we'll have somewhere between 3-5 FRPs next year.

The second reason to want it to convey this year, is that each year it does not convey, it has a lower nominal chance to convey, thus lessening it's trade value.

[Frenchfred]

The main reason to be upset is that if it conveys next year we'll have somewhere between 3-5 FRPs next year.

The second reason to want it to convey this year, is that each year it does not convey, it has a lower nominal chance to convey, thus lessening it's trade value.

Too many FRP means that we don't have enough spots in the roster so we have to trade some or players and other teams know that so would low ball us, correct?

[CorrectCrusader]

we lose a first rounder if it doesnt convey all together? Not even next year?

I believe we have until 2026 for the Raptors pick to convey

[Mr. Body]

Too many FRP means that we don't have enough spots in the roster so we have to trade some or players and other teams know that so would low ball us, correct?

Not this year, if we get two rookies, but going forward, yes.

[SOMA Spur]

Procter with his best game of the season tonight - 24 pts. Someone to keep an eye on with our second rounder. If he continues to have an up and down season maybe he falls. Probably not that far, but someone to watch.

[onechance87]

Procter with his best game of the season tonight - 24 pts. Someone to keep an eye on with our second rounder. If he continues to have an up and down season maybe he falls. Probably not that far, but someone to watch.

hes not going second round...Think he would stay another year in college if that was the case

[exstatic]

so if the pick ends up anywhere in the top6 this year, Toronto keeps it and probably will be better next season so the Spurs might end up with a pick (top 6 protected) in 2025 in a draft that's supposedly better, am I correct? Any reason for us to be upset if it doesn't convey this year?

Yes, because the TOR,CHI,CHA picks may ALL convey next year, along with sure things ATL and our own pick. For those not counting, that’s FIVE FRPs in one draft. In addition, adding a top 6 player this year might make them good enough to make a prospective 2025 pick far worse. Their last lottery pick was Scotty Barnes at #4 overall. They immediately jumped into the playoffs as the #6 seed in the East. I’d always rather have a good pick in a supposed bad draft than a bad pick in a supposed good draft. We don’t really know what any of these drafts will be anyways, other than a player or two at the top which we won’t get with any TOR pick that conveys only at position 7 at best.

[onechance87]

Yes, because the TOR,CHI,CHA picks may ALL convey next year, along with sure things ATL and our own pick. For those not counting, that’s FIVE FRPs in one draft. In addition, adding a top 6 player this year might make them good enough to make a prospective 2025 pick far worse. Their last lottery pick was Scotty Barnes at #4 overall. They immediately jumped into the playoffs as the #6 seed in the East. I’d always rather have a good pick in a supposed bad draft than a bad pick in a supposed good draft. We don’t really know what any of these drafts will be anyways, other than a player or two at the top which we won’t get with any TOR pick that conveys only at position 7 at best.

we may need to use one of those picks to trade collins shitty contract to get us sum cap space and sign a real big who defends and rebounds

[exstatic]

we may need to use one of those picks to trade collins shitty contract to get us sum cap space and sign a real big who defends and rebounds

Naw, that contract is such that you just shunt him to the end of the bench or waive him. We cut that much salary last year with batting an eyelash.

Sean pointed out on the broadcast that Embiid is likely the last star physical big. You don’t configure your roster around one player whose type is nearly extinct, especially at the cost of assets.

[onechance87]

cody williams gotta be our first pick,Has the most potential

[exstatic]

cody williams gotta be our first pick,Has the most potential

Nope. After tonight it’s crystal clear that we need a PG first. You can’t have a starter, and no backup if he goes down.

[HankChinaski]

I feel our small forward position is the bigger problem than our point guard. Or close to equal.
Tre Jones and Blake Wesley is a decent enough splint on the wound. Our 3 position really needs balancing.

[onechance87]

Nope. After tonight it’s crystal clear that we need a PG first. You can’t have a starter, and no backup if he goes down.

cody williams can score and can create plays.Has the potential to be a good defender as well.Only problem with
him is he seems weak.Would be a big upgrade over our current sf.

[Mr. Body]

I liked watching C Williams tonight. He's definitely a good prospect with good size and fluid mobility. He works on defense and has good fundamentals, a good shot. I dont see too much of a playmaker yet and his rebounding is pretty low. For the season his free throw percentage is lower than you'd hope but I think his shot is real.

I do think he's a while away from contributing meaningfully in the NBA.

[TheGreatYacht]

No more white American players. I've seen enough this season of that soft type of player this season with Zach Collins and McDogshit.

Reed Sheppard, for that, I am out.

[scott]

For the debate of SF vs PG... take the best one. Both are a big enough need to where we shouldn't bypass the better player for a perceived need. So you take the best non-center (this is where I think it would be foolish to burn an asset, whether Wemby wants to consider himself a C or not). The Spurs should be more active in this offseason than just adding a single lottery pick (and if that's all they do, we riot).

[onechance87]

For the debate of SF vs PG... take the best one. Both are a big enough need to where we shouldn't bypass the better player for a perceived need. So you take the best non-center (this is where I think it would be foolish to burn an asset, whether Wemby wants to consider himself a C or not). The Spurs should be more active in this offseason than just adding a single lottery pick (and if that's all they do, we riot).

they all gotta go...None of them have any type of connection with wemby.And i dont like their energy towards wemby as well.Only seems like
tre jones,But cant shoot for shit,So that partnbership can only go so far.

[The Truth #6]

I'm ok basically with KJ in a bench role. His assertiveness is good in a sense but his tunnel vision on solely scoring is awkward at times on this current roster. The poor defense in the end will likely put a ceiling on his minutes. He's comfortable with the ball in his hands but needs to transition into using his moves and drives to kick out to others. Probably too much of a task. Pop claims this season is about assessing players. As always, they need to not be afraid to make a move once the info is clear. I assume they will wait another season before making a decision on KJ.

[ginobilized]

I say draft someone in the 6'7" or above range who can shoot a basketball and is a + athlete.
No more culture fit types. We need more speed, length and shooting.

I'd ask myself, "Who would Presti pick?" and get those guys.

[Mr. Body]

I say draft someone in the 6'7" or above range who can shoot a basketball and is a + athlete.
No more culture fit types. We need more speed, length and shooting.

I'd ask myself, "Who would Presti pick?" and get those guys.

So... Pokusevski and Ousmane Dieng. Got it.

[onechance87]

I say draft someone in the 6'7" or above range who can shoot a basketball and is a + athlete.
No more culture fit types. We need more speed, length and shooting.

I'd ask myself, "Who would Presti pick?" and get those guys.

im telling u...cody wiliams...If his shooting is real...Gotta take him,Gonna be just like his brother

[rascal]

Most likely: If the Spurs only get one pick they will take a PG. Topic is likely on the top of their list.

If they get two top ten picks they will take who they think is best available player with the second pick after Topic.

[LeBowen]

Spurs must take the best player(s) available, regardless of their position.
Other than Wemby, all other rotation spots are up for grabs.

We need 3-D wings as much as a playmaker.
With Trae finally getting the starting spot and Wesley proving to be useful, I'd argue that other perimeter positions are as just as bad.
Devin is solid, Sochan is inconsistent, Keldon looks like he reached his ceiling and others are absolutely useless.

So if for example that Risacher kid is the best player available, you take him.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Spurs must take the best player(s) available, regardless of their position.
Other than Wemby, all other rotation spots are up for grabs.

We need 3-D wings as much as a playmaker.
With Trae finally getting the starting spot and Wesley proving to be useful, I'd argue that other perimeter positions are as just as bad.
Devin is solid, Sochan is inconsistent, Keldon looks like he reached his ceiling and others are absolutely useless.

So if for example that Risacher kid is the best player available, you take him.

Especially with a possibility of getting Young. I am certain the Spurs know how serious he is about wanting to come to the Spurs. While I doubt there has been any direct contact you know there is player to player contact that gets passed along to management.

[exstatic]

I say draft someone in the 6'7" or above range who can shoot a basketball and is a + athlete.
No more culture fit types. We need more speed, length and shooting.

I'd ask myself, "Who would Presti pick?" and get those guys.

Presti still living off of the big tank: Durant, Westbrook, and Harden

[The Truth #6]

Presti still living off of the big tank: Durant, Westbrook, and Harden

Disagree. The OKC team last night has little connection to his Big 3. He rebuilt quickly and then slowly. Quickly when he robbed the Clippers. Then slowly by adding talent through the draft and adding castoffs that fill the bench. Hard to critique the results.

[NASpurs]

Presti still living off of the big tank: Durant, Westbrook, and Harden

Who gives a shit, he still drafts better than Wrong. The proof is in front of you.

[Truckules]

Who gives a shit, he still drafts better than Wrong. The proof is in front of you.

Presti is overrated as a drafter. His most recent draft pick that signed a second contract with the team was Steven Adams in 2013. At least Wright is picking players who belong in the NBA. Presti drafted well in 2022 but is not impressive otherwise.

[Mr. Body]

Presti is overrated as a drafter. His most recent draft pick that signed a second contract with the team was Steven Adams in 2013. At least Wright is picking players who belong in the NBA. Presti drafted well in 2022 but is not impressive otherwise.

Yup.

Presti nails his top picks. Holmgren was the right pick last year.

He was outright gifted SGA. Kawhi wanted to go to Clips along with Paul which let Presti bend Clips over a barrel. SGA wasn't who he is yet -- and somehow he gets ungodly calls to make him unguardable.

Jalen Williams was a fucking fantastic pick, but sort of flukey if you look at what else Presti took. The Pokusevski and Ousmane Dieng picks were pretty bad and the Dieng pick was alongside Williams. The Cason Wallace pick was good.

So... Presti hasn't screwed up his top picks, got a gift from heaven in his star, hit the jackpot with Williams, and has managed pieces that fit like Dort.

[spurraider21]

Presti is overrated as a drafter. His most recent draft pick that signed a second contract with the team was Steven Adams in 2013. At least Wright is picking players who belong in the NBA. Presti drafted well in 2022 but is not impressive otherwise.
he drafted (or traded for him on draft night) sabonis as well. he didnt re-sign with OKC but thats because he was made part of the PG trade

[TD 21]

I'm not out on Topic, but they can't keep investing heavily in limited-to non shooters and ignoring analytics in favor of projects.

Risacher and Sheppard don't have star upside, but are the type of projected high floor / IQ 3 and D types they desperately need.



Especially with a possibility of getting Young. I am certain the Spurs know how serious he is about wanting to come to the Spurs. While I doubt there has been any direct contact you know there is player to player contact that gets passed along to management.

He's the antithesis of what they want in a lead guard / personality wise (though it seems like he's toned down the supposed diva antics) and for sure it'd be a challenge for any team to win a championship with such a massive defensive liability playing such a significant role, but if he tries to push this, it'd be difficult to turn down.

The odds of getting a borderline All-NBA caliber player, of his age, with his offensive skillet/fit and them wanting to play here anytime soon, are microscopic and at some point, talent has to supersede all else.

[objective]

Reed Shepperd is one small guy, no way he's 6-3

What's the story on him? TJ McConnell but he can shoot?

[Atl Spur]

Who gives a shit, he still drafts better than Wrong. The proof is in front of you.

For all that great drafting and management they’ve won how many chips? 0……cool. Reality is a kick in the nuts

[Atl Spur]

You boys stay looking in the neighbors yard….

[BackHome]

He is probably 6’3 in shoes but he is a legit shooter and a pretty good defender for his size so overall a good player. It probably might not mean much but if you look at weakness on Tankathon he has the least amount of all first round players. If I am taking him it’s because I want a good backup player who can be a good backup PG and also give you shooting as a SG. He is a perfect fit for a playoff team but would not be my choice if we get pick 7 to 8 though

[DAF86]

Presti still living off of the big tank: Durant, Westbrook, and Harden

What? He has OKC at the top of the standings with a roster full of drafted players and more lottery picks to come. :lol

[NASpurs]

For all that great drafting and management they’ve won how many chips? 0……cool. Reality is a kick in the nuts

Whare does that have to do with the present?

Go back to sucking Collins off :lol

[DAF86]

Reed Shepperd is one small guy, no way he's 6-3

What's the story on him? TJ McConnell but he can shoot?

Top notch shooting and IQ. Projects as a championship level role player.

[Atl Spur]

Whare does that have to do with the present?

Go back to sucking Collins off :lol

Still no chips…… square that circle for us.

[SpursBills]

what are peoples' thoughts on Risacher vs Cody williams?

Both 6'8-6'9" guys who project as pretty good defenders at the next level and shooting really well but with mediocre free throw percentages. Risacher's been shooting lights out in Eurocup from 3 on high volume and has been showing some glimpses of movement shooting. Cody williams has really come on strong of late with his ability to get into the lane and create for himself.

Risacher will probably be a better 3 point threat, Williams is longer (7'2" vs 6'11" wingspan) and looks like he has a better frame with the ability to put on more muscle compared to Risacher. Both are probably going top 5 if not top 3, so wanted to gauge peoples' thoughts if the spurs elect to go wing instead of lead guard with their first pick.

[RC_Drunkford]

what are peoples' thoughts on Risacher vs Cody williams?

Both 6'8-6'9" guys who project as pretty good defenders at the next level and shooting really well but with mediocre free throw percentages. Risacher's been shooting lights out in Eurocup from 3 on high volume and has been showing some glimpses of movement shooting. Cody williams has really come on strong of late with his ability to get into the lane and create for himself.

Risacher will probably be a better 3 point threat, Williams is longer (7'2" vs 6'11" wingspan) and looks like he has a better frame with the ability to put on more muscle compared to Risacher. Both are probably going top 5 if not top 3, so wanted to gauge peoples' thoughts if the spurs elect to go wing instead of lead guard with their first pick.

that's actually what I want them to do. These are the exact player types we need at SF and as long as they can shoot 3s at a high percentage and defend well, they can start off the rip. Anything else they add to their game on offense will just elevate their ceiling and might make them a legit 3rd option, maybe even 2nd depending on the improvement. I'd rather take a swing at that type of player than at the flawed PGs in that draft. There's a lot more risk to drafting a point guard in this class.

[rankingtear]

I say draft someone in the 6'7" or above range who can shoot a basketball and is a + athlete.
No more culture fit types. We need more speed, length and shooting.

I'd ask myself, "Who would Presti pick?" and get those guys.

Cody Williams.

[exstatic]

Disagree. The OKC team last night has little connection to his Big 3. He rebuilt quickly and then slowly. Quickly when he robbed the Clippers. Then slowly by adding talent through the draft and adding castoffs that fill the bench. Hard to critique the results.

That team, minus SGA, isn’t much of a playoff threat. He drafts OK, but has his hard misses like Poku and Ouseman Dieng. He paid 3 FRPs for Dieng, which is also him.

[Mr. Body]

One thing's for sure, OKC is top in the West just as the era is coming to a close. They don't have any clear opposition that's emerging. Minnesota will have a small window, Dallas is probably toast already. It's hard to believe in NOP.

[exstatic]

What? He has OKC at the top of the standings with a roster full of drafted players and more lottery picks to come. :lol

Subtract the non Presti drafted SGA, and where are they? Probably 8 spots lower in the WC.

[DAF86]

Subtract the non Presti drafted SGA, and where are they? Probably 8 spots lower in the WC.

Why would I substract the Presti acquired by trade SGA?

[exstatic]

Why would I substract the Presti acquired by trade SGA?

We’re talking Presti’s draft prowess. He didn’t draft SGA.

[DAF86]

We’re talking Presti’s draft prowess. He didn’t draft SGA.

I was talking Presti as a GM, period.

[exstatic]

What? He has OKC at the top of the standings with a roster full of drafted players and more lottery picks to come. :lol


I was talking Presti as a GM, period.

Uh, OK. A roster full of drafted players, PLUS SGA.

[DAF86]

Uh, OK. A roster full of drafted players, PLUS SGA.

"And future lottery picks", that involves trade ability, tbh.

[scott]

Doesn't really matter what semantic argument you want to make to slice the analysis a different way... Presti is a better GM than Brian Wright. Is this even a debate? :lol :lol :lol

[baseline bum]

Doesn't really matter what semantic argument you want to make to slice the analysis a different way... Presti is a better GM than Brian Wright. Is this even a debate? :lol :lol :lol

Had we known RC was going to go upstairs for the money and get out of the weeds probably should have kicked him upstairs ten years early and given Presti the job. :pctoss

[baseline bum]

I say draft someone in the 6'7" or above range who can shoot a basketball and is a + athlete.
No more culture fit types. We need more speed, length and shooting.

I'd ask myself, "Who would Presti pick?" and get those guys.

I wouldn't get too hung up on size and athleticism. That's how you pick Jeryl Sasser over Tony Parker (lol Orlando). With that said Williams or Risacher is who I most want, but if the Spurs can't get a pick that high give me Dillingham or Sheppard.

[Mr. Body]

Can we keep this from the usual idiots fellating Presti and stick to prospects? Thanks.

[DAF86]

Can we keep this from the usual idiots fellating Presti and stick to prospects? Thanks.

It's always the same two homers. :lol

[CGD]

As of today, I'm finding it hard to see anyone other than Risacher being the pick if they select in Top 3 (assuming he's still available).

Take a gamble on the PG later in that draft (hell, Proctor or Carrington might there in the second round). Otherwise let Jones run the team another year, and be opportunistic with trades.

[mo7888]

Can we keep this from the usual idiots fellating Presti and stick to prospects? Thanks.

And in that context: here's my current top 10

1. Zaccharie Risacher
2. Alex Sarr
3. Nikola Topic *
4. Tidjane Salaun
5. Cody Williams
6. Matas Buzelis
7. JaKobe Walter
8. Robert Dillingham
9. Stephen Castle
10. Reed Shephard

*Topic may be to high, but that's where I had him pre-injury and I don't have enough Euro data to really update him. So consider his current evaluation incomplete.

[Mr. Body]

These are the players that are drawing my attention.

Zaccharie Risacher - His sub-.700 free throw percentage worries me. The fact that his outside shot is historically not this good, or that we'd be paying top-line rookie scale to a probably role-player, but it is a position of need and there are no other players there.

Alexandre Sarr - I don't believe in him at #1 at all. Feels like a placeholder that's sticking for some reason. I'd be interested at, say, pick #10.

Nikola Topic - I don't really want a non-shooting, non-defending PG, but expect the team would take a look at him. High IQ player with size, playmaking ability, and a professional background in his family.

Ja'Kobe Walter - Not a position of need and he doesn't seem to pop off the charts, is like a slightly smaller, a bit less impactful Ben Mathurin (who exploded into the limelight in the Tournament).

Ron Holland - If the FO was interested in the Thompsons last year, pre-lottery, here's another super athletic guy, although it sounds like his feel for the game isn't as good as theirs. Can actually shoot, though.

Matas Buzelis - Man is his shooting stinky. If he can shoot, projects sort of as a Franz Wagner without the plus connection capabilities. Ignite is doing him scant favors which means he could be bought low(ish).

Cody Williams - Interesting, but someone pointed out his shooting was poor in FIBA last summer and he's taking only two a game. I don't have him ranked top lottery right now.

Reed Sheppard - I'm out on him right now. Very low usage rate, which suggests he may have trouble scaling up, and doesn't pass the eye test to me. Right now I see at most a good role-player, which is what he is now.

Rob Dillingham - Keep coming back to him, my favorite player to watch this year. Has issues with size and D, but he works hard and his stats/metrics are very good against or exceed recent Kentucky guards who have blown up in the NBA.

Stephon Castle - Currently out on him, at least in the high- to mid-lottery. Which is not to say I don't like him, just that he's a toolsy guy who doesn't excel at anything and is an awful shooter. We have a bigger one of those.

Tidjane Salaun - Not sure he'll get a mid-lottery grade or even lottery grade, but has a lot of raw strength and tools to make him super interesting as a value pick.

Kyle Filipowski - Warming to him considerably and will make my case for him. Can give what Poeltl gave with even better passing, much better shooting, slightly less shot-blocking. Impressed with him this year but fit is obviously the question.

Other than these, there are other players in lottery contention. Some of those, like Clingan and Collier, don't interest me much right now.

[mo7888]

These are the players that are drawing my attention.

Zaccharie Risacher - His sub-.700 free throw percentage worries me. The fact that his outside shot is historically not this good, or that we'd be paying top-line rookie scale to a probably role-player, but it is a position of need and there are no other players there.

Alexandre Sarr - I don't believe in him at #1 at all. Feels like a placeholder that's sticking for some reason. I'd be interested at, say, pick #10.

Nikola Topic - I don't really want a non-shooting, non-defending PG, but expect the team would take a look at him. High IQ player with size, playmaking ability, and a professional background in his family.

Ja'Kobe Walter - Not a position of need and he doesn't seem to pop off the charts, is like a slightly smaller, a bit less impactful Ben Mathurin (who exploded into the limelight in the Tournament).

Ron Holland - If the FO was interested in the Thompsons last year, pre-lottery, here's another super athletic guy, although it sounds like his feel for the game isn't as good as theirs. Can actually shoot, though.

Matas Buzelis - Man is his shooting stinky. If he can shoot, projects sort of as a Franz Wagner without the plus connection capabilities. Ignite is doing him scant favors which means he could be bought low(ish).

Cody Williams - Interesting, but someone pointed out his shooting was poor in FIBA last summer and he's taking only two a game. I don't have him ranked top lottery right now.

Reed Sheppard - I'm out on him right now. Very low usage rate, which suggests he may have trouble scaling up, and doesn't pass the eye test to me. Right now I see at most a good role-player, which is what he is now.

Rob Dillingham - Keep coming back to him, my favorite player to watch this year. Has issues with size and D, but he works hard and his stats/metrics are very good against or exceed recent Kentucky guards who have blown up in the NBA.

Stephon Castle - Currently out on him, at least in the high- to mid-lottery. Which is not to say I don't like him, just that he's a toolsy guy who doesn't excel at anything and is an awful shooter. We have a bigger one of those.

Tidjane Salaun - Not sure he'll get a mid-lottery grade or even lottery grade, but has a lot of raw strength and tools to make him super interesting as a value pick.

Kyle Filipowski - Warming to him considerably and will make my case for him. Can give what Poeltl gave with even better passing, much better shooting, slightly less shot-blocking. Impressed with him this year but fit is obviously the question.

Other than these, there are other players in lottery contention. Some of those, like Clingan and Collier, don't interest me much right now.

Salaun is the most intriguing prospect in this draft to me. Everyone else I've looked at so far, I've got a pretty good handle on their ceilings and most just aren't elite to me. Salaun is different, party because he's so freakin raw, but his ceiling, i believe, is the highest in this draft. I don't know if he can remotely reach it, but if you're only looking to use a specific pick on upside, then he's your guy.

[DAF86]

I would go all in on Dillingham, tbh. Of all the prospects, the only one with elite creation tools. Best case scenario, he becomes the PG we are needing. Lesser option but still useful: spark plug off the bench.

[Mr. Body]

Salaun is the most intriguing prospect in this draft to me. Everyone else I've looked at so far, I've got a pretty good handle on their ceilings and most just aren't elite to me. Salaun is different, party because he's so freakin raw, but his ceiling, i believe, is the highest in this draft. I don't know if he can remotely reach it, but if you're only looking to use a specific pick on upside, then he's your guy.

I think Dilly has exceptional potential with elite handles, great quickness, and high scoring potential. He seems very coachable and even took Ivisic aside after a possession in the last game, a fellow freshman only now playing. He's much better than Tyrese Maxey was, for example.

His size is a limiting factor to a huge degree, but he's similar there to De'Aaron Fox, Sexton, and Garland. In today's NBA those guards, and many of them from UK, are exploding.

Question if the Spurs would actually look at him and whether the size forces him to come off the bench. But one of the sore needs of this team is scoring to keep up with other teams.

[Mr. Body]

I also think Filipowski has exceptional ability. Obviously the problem is his position, but I can see a Vucevic here.

[CGD]

These are the players that are drawing my attention.

Zaccharie Risacher - His sub-.700 free throw percentage worries me. The fact that his outside shot is historically not this good, or that we'd be paying top-line rookie scale to a probably role-player, but it is a position of need and there are no other players there.

Alexandre Sarr - I don't believe in him at #1 at all. Feels like a placeholder that's sticking for some reason. I'd be interested at, say, pick #10.

Nikola Topic - I don't really want a non-shooting, non-defending PG, but expect the team would take a look at him. High IQ player with size, playmaking ability, and a professional background in his family.

Ja'Kobe Walter - Not a position of need and he doesn't seem to pop off the charts, is like a slightly smaller, a bit less impactful Ben Mathurin (who exploded into the limelight in the Tournament).

Ron Holland - If the FO was interested in the Thompsons last year, pre-lottery, here's another super athletic guy, although it sounds like his feel for the game isn't as good as theirs. Can actually shoot, though.

Matas Buzelis - Man is his shooting stinky. If he can shoot, projects sort of as a Franz Wagner without the plus connection capabilities. Ignite is doing him scant favors which means he could be bought low(ish).

Cody Williams - Interesting, but someone pointed out his shooting was poor in FIBA last summer and he's taking only two a game. I don't have him ranked top lottery right now.

Reed Sheppard - I'm out on him right now. Very low usage rate, which suggests he may have trouble scaling up, and doesn't pass the eye test to me. Right now I see at most a good role-player, which is what he is now.

Rob Dillingham - Keep coming back to him, my favorite player to watch this year. Has issues with size and D, but he works hard and his stats/metrics are very good against or exceed recent Kentucky guards who have blown up in the NBA.

Stephon Castle - Currently out on him, at least in the high- to mid-lottery. Which is not to say I don't like him, just that he's a toolsy guy who doesn't excel at anything and is an awful shooter. We have a bigger one of those.

Tidjane Salaun - Not sure he'll get a mid-lottery grade or even lottery grade, but has a lot of raw strength and tools to make him super interesting as a value pick.

Kyle Filipowski - Warming to him considerably and will make my case for him. Can give what Poeltl gave with even better passing, much better shooting, slightly less shot-blocking. Impressed with him this year but fit is obviously the question.

Other than these, there are other players in lottery contention. Some of those, like Clingan and Collier, don't interest me much right now.

I think Sarr goes #1 to any team but the Spurs based on the Victor effect. He's obviously not as talented as VW, but he's in the camp of the fluid "3/D Centers" that are all the rage right now. He would be great on WAS, but just you watch: DET is going to pick him despite having Duren already.

[Mr. Body]

I think Sarr goes #1 to any team but the Spurs based on the Victor effect. He's obviously not as talented as VW, but he's in the camp of the fluid "3/D Centers" that are all the rage right now. He would be great on WAS, but just you watch: DET is going to pick him despite having Duren already.

I would be ecstatic if anyone takes Sarr at one. I do think he has potential, just don't see anywhere close to a first pick here.

Back to Filipowski, here is the stat comparison with Vucevic and Poeltl coming of college at USC and Utah. At least in this regard very favorable other than using that pick on a nice to have.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=kyle-filipowski--nikola-vucevic--jakob-poeltl

[spurraider21]

I think Sarr goes #1 to any team but the Spurs based on the Victor effect. He's obviously not as talented as VW, but he's in the camp of the fluid "3/D Centers" that are all the rage right now. He would be great on WAS, but just you watch: DET is going to pick him despite having Duren already.
his jump shot is imaginary imo. even if you want to project for improvement, his form isnt as clean as wemby's was, and his FT shooting has remained poor. i see him as a bigger Duren, which isnt bad by any stretch.

[RC_Drunkford]

I think Dilly has exceptional potential with elite handles, great quickness, and high scoring potential. He seems very coachable and even took Ivisic aside after a possession in the last game, a fellow freshman only now playing. He's much better than Tyrese Maxey was, for example.

His size is a limiting factor to a huge degree, but he's similar there to De'Aaron Fox, Sexton, and Garland. In today's NBA those guards, and many of them from UK, are exploding.

Question if the Spurs would actually look at him and whether the size forces him to come off the bench. But one of the sore needs of this team is scoring to keep up with other teams.

Dillingham's skillset is exactly what this team is missing. Elite handles, speed and shooting, especially off the dribble. His size is not ideal, but he's the #1 PG option to me in this draft.

[mo7888]

I think Dilly has exceptional potential with elite handles, great quickness, and high scoring potential. He seems very coachable and even took Ivisic aside after a possession in the last game, a fellow freshman only now playing. He's much better than Tyrese Maxey was, for example.

His size is a limiting factor to a huge degree, but he's similar there to De'Aaron Fox, Sexton, and Garland. In today's NBA those guards, and many of them from UK, are exploding.

Question if the Spurs would actually look at him and whether the size forces him to come off the bench. But one of the sore needs of this team is scoring to keep up with other teams.

I'm not sure how the Spurs see the size thing. It doesn't bother me personally because of the other things you mentioned that off set it and because all the other PG's have some flaw as well. I think he's got a pretty good floor, much better than Salaun in that regard, but I don't see a real high ceiling. In this draft that may be enough for several teams.

[CGD]

Dillingham's skillset is exactly what this team is missing. Elite handles, speed and shooting, especially off the dribble. His size is not ideal, but he's the #1 PG option to me in this draft.

Isn't he tiny though? I feel like the league is starting to move away from these guys unless the shooting or playmaking is very, very elite. Seems like these guys get hunted in the playoffs with gusto and thus played off the court.

[CGD]

I would be ecstatic if anyone takes Sarr at one. I do think he has potential, just don't see anywhere close to a first pick here.

Back to Filipowski, here is the stat comparison with Vucevic and Poeltl coming of college at USC and Utah. At least in this regard very favorable other than using that pick on a nice to have.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=kyle-filipowski--nikola-vucevic--jakob-poeltl

Interesting, but with a Top 10 pick? I'm not sure. Feel these guys are becoming the running backs of basketball.

[scott]

Dilly feels like exactly the kind of guy we will pass on and then he'll proceed to torch us for the next 10 years every time we face him.

[baseline bum]

I would go all in on Dillingham, tbh. Of all the prospects, the only one with elite creation tools. Best case scenario, he becomes the PG we are needing. Lesser option but still useful: spark plug off the bench.

Would you take him #2 or #3 over Williams/Risacher? Or would you chance trading down a couple of picks if you get #2 or #3 to take Dilly later? He's the one PG I really like in this draft class but Williams/Risacher look pretty tempting and the Spurs desperately need talent at every position other than center. Don't really see him sticking around to #7 though unless Topic starts blowing up in Euroleague.

[Mr. Body]

Interesting, but with a Top 10 pick? I'm not sure. Feel these guys are becoming the running backs of basketball.

I do think he's a top 10 pick in this draft. May slip, but he's up there. Centers are still pretty vital, esp if they can hit shots and he seems to. Vucevic shredded us last game it seemed.

Pros: 1) He's a big dude who might have a chance to body Embiid and Jokic a little instead of widdle Zach rag doll, 2) Poeltl worked really, really well in those short rolls and facilitating from the top of the key and Jak had to learn that over time. Filip has exceptional vision already. 3) Having a big who works in certain sets with Wemby would be excellent. 4) He can rebound. Like, none of our guys rebound.

Cons: 1) A big isn't first or second priority, a wing and a point guard are. 2) Filipowski may simply struggle with perimeter defenses. 3) He may be unplayable with Wemby. We do need contributing bigs, but with a lottery pick? 4) Went to Duke.

So, yeah, I think they'll kick the tires if they get the Toronto pick, but the needs are elsewhere. More mentioning that I really didn't like him last year but he's improved a ton and looks pretty good.

[baseline bum]

his jump shot is imaginary imo. even if you want to project for improvement, his form isnt as clean as wemby's was, and his FT shooting has remained poor. i see him as a bigger Duren, which isnt bad by any stretch.

Is Wemby's form all that clean on his three point shooting? Seems to bring his legs inward a lot and not sure I ever see him becoming say a 40% three point shooter. Maybe 35% to where you have to guard him but I'm definitely joining the DAF86 camp that sees him as a straight center now that Victor has improved so much on his ability to gain and hold position vs where he was a couple months ago.

[DAF86]

Would you take him #2 or #3 over Williams/Risacher? Or would you chance trading down a couple of picks if you get #2 or #3 to take Dilly later? He's the one PG I really like in this draft class but Williams/Risacher look pretty tempting and the Spurs desperately need talent at every position other than center. Don't really see him sticking around to #7 though unless Topic starts blowing up in Euroleague.

This is a decision that should be made closer to draft day when we have a clearer picture of what range each guy is getting picked. My dream scenario would be getting both Dillingham and Risacher, so whomever of those two projects to go higher, I would pick first. I really don't know, I'm constantly going back and forth on which one of those two I would rather have if we could only have one.

[baseline bum]

This is a decision that should be made closer to draft day when we have a clearer picture of what range each guy is getting picked. My dream scenario would be getting both Dillingham and Risacher, so whomever of those two projects to go higher, I would pick first. I really don't know, I'm constantly going back and forth on which one of those two I would rather have if we could only have one.

LOL my dream scenario is getting Pick #1 and trading it to Brooklyn for Bridges and then taking Dilly #7 with our best case Toronto pick. I think the odds are better of getting pick #1 than they are of the Spurs getting the Toronto pick and Dillingham still being on the board then though :lol

[spurraider21]

Is Wemby's form all that clean on his three point shooting? Seems to bring his legs inward a lot and not sure I ever see him becoming say a 40% three point shooter. Maybe 35% to where you have to guard him but I'm definitely joining the DAF86 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11102) camp that sees him as a straight center now that Victor has improved so much on his ability to gain and hold position vs where he was a couple months ago.
think the problem with him is he takes too many types of 3's that all require their own mastery. he actually shoots them better off the dribble than in catch-and-shoot spots.

i dont know that he'll ever reach that 40% figure (chet is down to 38.5 himself), but its not like he needs to for it to be a useful weapon. last year brook lopez had a career year from 3 and was considered an elite spacing center but he was only hitting 37.4% himself for the season, and down to 33% this year. myles turner is the other "3&D" center who is a career 35% shooter from 3, shooting 37% last year, 34% this year.

its not like the 3 is going to be his go-to shot, but its a hell of a change-up he can throw. i still hate the early shot clock 3's (i know its a peeve for you as well), but he also has hit some big ones in money time. he just has to be smarter about being situational with it.

[CGD]

LOL my dream scenario is getting Pick #1 and trading it to Brooklyn for Bridges and then taking Dilly #7 with our best case Toronto pick. I think the odds are better of getting pick #1 than they are of the Spurs getting the Toronto pick and Dillingham still being on the board then though :lol

Bridges? Wut

[RC_Drunkford]

LOL my dream scenario is getting Pick #1 and trading it to Brooklyn for Bridges and then taking Dilly #7 with our best case Toronto pick. I think the odds are better of getting pick #1 than they are of the Spurs getting the Toronto pick and Dillingham still being on the board then though :lol

you‘re not getting Bridges for the #1 pick in this weakass draft. The Nets didn’t want to trade him for 4 first rounders

[baseline bum]

you‘re not getting Bridges for the #1 pick in this weakass draft. The Nets didn’t want to trade him for 4 first rounders

First rounders aren't created equal. Could have been four protected firsts or four crap firsts. We heard the exact same rumor about Anunoby and the Knicks got him for a good backup PG and a guy RJ Barrett who was looked at as empty calories and a borderline bust whose trade value would be nowhere near what the #1 pick would be even in this draft. Besides I'm not saying the #1 pick alone. I'd probably offer one of the Atlanta picks and be willing to include the Chicago one too if needed.

[BackHome]

Probably doesn’t mean much but next years draft is really weak for true PG and strong on SG/SF/C

[rascal]

First rounders aren't created equal. Could have been four protected firsts or four crap firsts. We heard the exact same rumor about Anunoby and the Knicks got him for a good backup PG and a guy RJ Barrett who was looked at as empty calories and a borderline bust whose trade value would be nowhere near what the #1 pick would be even in this draft. Besides I'm not saying the #1 pick alone. I'd probably offer one of the Atlanta picks and be willing to include the Chicago one too if needed.

I really like Mikael and he would be great as a veteran presence on the Spurs. The Spurs need to add a veteran or two to go along with the youth movement but still don't want to move any of the Atlanta picks.

I do agree the Number 1 pick will have high value.

[KobesAchilles]

Dilly is the guy to get. But in saying that, I hope we don’t get the number one pick. Get the 3rd and 7th pick and we are set. I’d like Risacher too somehow this draft. I’d trade our Toronto pick and next years first for the chance to get both of these players next year. Just having a point guard who can shoot and get to the hoop, and a SF with size and can shoot the lights out would do wonders for this team. That’s the way to build in the draft, surround Wemby with people who can shoot the fucking ball and a point guard who can penetrate, create, and shoot.

[baseline bum]

Kyle Filipowski - Warming to him considerably and will make my case for him. Can give what Poeltl gave with even better passing, much better shooting, slightly less shot-blocking. Impressed with him this year but fit is obviously the question.


Damn the Ringer is scaring me here on Kevin O'Connor's big board

https://i.ibb.co/n65dPrg/fck.png

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

[Mr. Body]

Damn the Ringer is scaring me here on Kevin O'Connor's big board

https://i.ibb.co/n65dPrg/fck.png

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

His player comps are always pretty special. Cody Williams isn't like Jalen Rose at all. Matas Buzelis as Lamar Odom is hilarious. I would say Topic is sort of like Goran Dragic, though. For Filipowski I think I'm right in mixing post-Spurs Poeltl and Vucevic.

[CGD]

Damn the Ringer is scaring me here on Kevin O'Connor's big board

https://i.ibb.co/n65dPrg/fck.png

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

lol, hard pass of Filipwraski.

[SOMA Spur]

Damn the Ringer is scaring me here on Kevin O'Connor's big board

https://i.ibb.co/n65dPrg/fck.png

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

This is pretty funny. I love how KOC reminds us of Zollins health woes but fails to mention Filipowski's in his actual write up. Double hip surgery at 19 might be a concern. Not a great fit. I'll pass. Oh and Salaun at #18 thats a joke as well.

[Mr. Body]

lol, hard pass of Filipwraski.

Why, because some guy wrote Zach Collins here? O'Connor is a bit of a joke, you realize? Have real reasons.

[The Truth #6]

Cody Williams feels like a Wright pick. That's my uninformed hunch. SF, showing improvement, point forward projection, not an elite athlete.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1751306810512810061

[TD 21]

Blowing a significant portion of the draft capital on Bridges would be insane.

Unless they luck into it in the draft first, it needs to be expended on a lead creator.


Cody Williams feels like a Wright pick. That's my uninformed hunch. SF, showing improvement, point forward projection, not an elite athlete.

Agreed (change Wright to front office though, since this agenda driven notion that the non lead decision maker is unilaterally making decisions is absurd). I get the sense they're likelier to go SF (Risacher, him or Buzelis) over PG (Topic).

[Mr. Body]

Rough day for college lottery prospects so far today. I don't see Ja'Kobe Walter in our wheelhouse. Reed Sheppard just doesn't look like it. Rob Dillingham is out sick today, too bad.

[Russ]

Rough day for college lottery prospects so far today. I don't see Ja'Kobe Walter in our wheelhouse. Reed Sheppard just doesn't look like it. Rob Dillingham is out sick today, too bad.

Dalton Knecht looks pretty good (as in doing it all).

Don't know if he's lottery or not but he damn sure moves the needle.

[Mr. Body]

Dalton Knecht looks pretty good (as in doing it all).

Don't know if he's lottery or not but he damn sure moves the needle.

He's quite a bit older but in this draft a team could take him late lottery. I'm guessing around early 20s.

Also, Cody Williams with a bit of a stinker today. Oh-fer shooting, etc. Not a big deal for a freshman.

[CGD]

Hypothetical:

Who do you take at #4 if:
1) Sarr, Topic, Rasicher are gone, and
2) there is no TOR pick?

[SpursBills]

Hypothetical:

Who do you take at #4 if:
1) Sarr, Topic, Rasicher are gone, and
2) there is no TOR pick?

Cody williams no question.

I alluded to this in another post, but as much as I like Sochan and think he has Scottie Barnes-lite upside, he's ultimately a little small to be a true 4. You don't want to give up positional size at both the 3 and 4 positions, so ideally you get someone who's 6'8" or over to play with him. Cody williams is 6'8" with a 7'2" wingspan and has the frame to fill out just like his brother. He's super raw but from the clips I've seen of him, he actually has the length, potential for strength, and the defensive savvy to serve as a POA defender allowing Sochan to better utilize his glue guy skills. His 3 ball needs work and his shooting signal is mediocre, but I'm willing to bank on his youth and work ethic. I saw somewhere that it's way easier to marginally improve a bunch of ok-ish skills than it is to completely overhaul something that's completely broken and I strongly agree with that. Cody williams is actually ok to decent (not good to great) at a ton of stuff including his handle, defense, shooting, and passing and I'd be willing to bet on his development on the margins. Additionally, trey jones has shown himself to be an actual serviceable starting point guard (did not expect his defensive EPM to be 0 at this point in the season) and so wing is probably a more pressing lead than lead guard unless you have the rare chance at getting a true big initiator which I'm not completely convinced Topic is.

[DAF86]

Hypothetical:

Who do you take at #4 if:
1) Sarr, Topic, Rasicher are gone, and
2) there is no TOR pick?

Dillingham. Easily.

[BackHome]

I would probably go with Cody as he has Good upside plus I think the way he plays would go very well with Wemby. We are a terrible defensive team and and also bad at rebounding so I don’t know what a 6’1 PG will help us with those two things.

[CGD]

Cody williams no question.

I alluded to this in another post, but as much as I like Sochan and think he has Scottie Barnes-lite upside, he's ultimately a little small to be a true 4. You don't want to give up positional size at both the 3 and 4 positions, so ideally you get someone who's 6'8" or over to play with him. Cody williams is 6'8" with a 7'2" wingspan and has the frame to fill out just like his brother. He's super raw but from the clips I've seen of him, he actually has the length, potential for strength, and the defensive savvy to serve as a POA defender allowing Sochan to better utilize his glue guy skills. His 3 ball needs work and his shooting signal is mediocre, but I'm willing to bank on his youth and work ethic. I saw somewhere that it's way easier to marginally improve a bunch of ok-ish skills than it is to completely overhaul something that's completely broken and I strongly agree with that. Cody williams is actually ok to decent (not good to great) at a ton of stuff including his handle, defense, shooting, and passing and I'd be willing to bet on his development on the margins. Additionally, trey jones has shown himself to be an actual serviceable starting point guard (did not expect his defensive EPM to be 0 at this point in the season) and so wing is probably a more pressing lead than lead guard unless you have the rare chance at getting a true big initiator which I'm not completely convinced Topic is.

I’m leaning this way too. I think picking a PG here is a wasted pick.

[SpursBills]

I like Dilly a lot and he's awesome to watch. I think he'll be good, but the risk profile is too high for me to take a swing on him that early. If he ends up being 6'1" barefoot with like a 6'3" wingspan, that's a huge physical disadvantage to overcome defensively. Not impossible, but just more difficult to become an average defender. If he's more like a 6'7"-6'8" wingspan I'd have a much easier time drafting him early. Williams has pretty good skill for a freshman wing on top of a great frame and physical profile, so his margin of error for success in the NBA is just higher.

The other consideration in this though is that the 2025 draft has pretty much all wings and bigs in the early top 15 and no point guards. Then again, if you're trying to trade for a disgruntled all star guard trying to ask out in 2025, a lot of teams would probably rather receive a young up and coming wing with potential than a small guard as one of the "young players" of that trade just because they're probably lower friction and easier to build around.

[CGD]

Dilly is just too small IMO (based on what we read anyway). The league is moving away from those guys.

[Mr. Body]

Like last year if we missed on Wemby/Scoot, I'd advocate trading down in the draft. I just don't see cost/benefit at that point. I don't see it at #1 either, to be honest, but see Risacher right now as worth a 2-4 pick. I think you can get Dillingham a bit later, or anyone else you like.

Still don't get people saying Cody Williams. Have you seen him play? He's late lottery right now at best. That ain't bad, but it's not the player you think he is.

[Mr. Body]

Dilly is just too small IMO (based on what we read anyway). The league is moving away from those guys.

The league is full of 6'1" guys - or guys who claim to be "6'3"" but really aren't, like Donovan Mitchell or Jalen Bruson or De'Aaron Fox. If any era lets those players thrive, it's this one. The question is how far they can take you.

[TD 21]

I'm skeptical of Williams, another limited shooter, who lacks strength, explosive athleticism and a consensus strength(s).

I realize the natural pick is projected too high for him at this point, but I want Sheppard because unlike most of these flawed, raw wings who people fetishize every year, he's one of the few players I feel confident will positively impact winning.

[Uriel]

I’ve seen Filipowski in person and I don’t really see Poeltl (or even Zach Collins) in him. He’s not as good a rebounder or interior defender as Poeltl (or even Collins). But he’s much better on the perimeter, can put the ball on the floor, create his own shot, and shoot from distance. I see him more as a poor man’s Dirk Nowitzki.

[Mr. Body]

In the good chance the Toronto pick doesn't convey, I'm thinking about the 2nd round picks, currently 33 and 43. Previously, I'd thought they'd be moved. Now... I still think so. There's a high possibility of the team only taking one pick. Maybe. I don't have a great grasp on late first rounders into the second rounders. I felt like I had a better grasp last year. Honestly feel like last year was deeper.

Problem the Spurs are facing is whether they can upgrade over existing talent or not. And I don't mean any pisswater child "we gatta cut Branham now wwaaa waaa" baby shit. I mean real world "Will taking a semi-marginal player in the second round supplant what's already happening with, say, Dom Barlow?" I like Julian Champagnie, but we clearly need a starting SF. Roster spots will become scarce.

I just feel like this team needs starters or, at the least, strong bench contributors, and in the second you get those by sheer miracle or you try to get an older player who may not need extensive on-boarding.

OR, and I know this comes up every year and never happens, trading into the late 1st round. This is a chance to do it, with that 33 pick pretty enticing, packaged with a wad of other seconds throughout the years? Possibly? A guy like Dalton Knecht may be gone by then but would be attractive, or a Tyler Kopek.

tl;dr: If the Spurs miss out on the Toronto pick, they may opt to use one of the seconds, and it may not be one of those long-term Noah Clowney types and more like trying to spear one of those Jaime Jacquez or Podziemski types, although they were selected late teens.

[Dejounte]

After Watching More Film Of Several Forwards In The Draft, Buzelis Is the Most Skilled One And It’s Not Even Close. IMO, He Has To Be The Spurs Pick.

[Dejounte]

Draft Buzelis And Dunn

Jones/ Wesley
Vassell/ Julian
Buzelis/ Keldon/ Cissoko
Sochan/ Dunn
Wemby/ Barlow

If They Trade For Murray

Murray/ Wesley
Vassell/ Branham
Buzelis/ Cissoko
Sochan/ Dunn
Wemby/ Barlow

Much Better Offensive Versatility And Defense Tbh

[CGD]

The league is full of 6'1" guys - or guys who claim to be "6'3"" but really aren't, like Donovan Mitchell or Jalen Bruson or De'Aaron Fox. If any era lets those players thrive, it's this one. The question is how far they can take you.

That’s exactly right: how far will they take you? They get hunted mercilessly in the playoffs. Brunson, with his linebacker build, might have a chance. The competitive advantage that Tont Parker had two decades ago, his speed, has been erased by better talent levels accesos the league.

[CGD]

^ I do think the scenario I posed about picking outside the “Top 3” and no TOR pick is looking increasingly likely.

Probably not the end of the world honestly:

— TOR will likely be a play-in level team next year, so looking at a late lotto pick in 25, which probably isn’t that big a drop from say 7th this draft. That’s likely 3 lotto picks in the juicier 2025 draft.

— SAS picking 4-6 still means they get someone like Cody, Matas, or the 2nd best PG prospect.

— forces the Spurs hand to do something via trade this summer

[Mr. Body]

That’s exactly right: how far will they take you? They get hunted mercilessly in the playoffs. Brunson, with his linebacker build, might have a chance. The competitive advantage that Tont Parker had two decades ago, his speed, has been erased by better talent levels accesos the league.

The idea that the league is more talented is nonsense. It's specialized, that's all. Every team plays exactly the same way.

And GSW won with a tiny guard.

[baseline bum]

Cody Williams feels like a Wright pick. That's my uninformed hunch. SF, showing improvement, point forward projection, not an elite athlete.

Isn't he way better than his brother at the same age? I'd be fine spending even the #1 pick on a better Jalen Williams.

[exstatic]

^ I do think the scenario I posed about picking outside the “Top 3” and no TOR pick is looking increasingly likely.

Probably not the end of the world honestly:

— TOR will likely be a play-in level team next year, so looking at a late lotto pick in 25, which probably isn’t that big a drop from say 7th this draft. That’s likely 3 lotto picks in the juicier 2025 draft.

— SAS picking 4-6 still means they get someone like Cody, Matas, or the 2nd best PG prospect.

— forces the Spurs hand to do something via trade this summer

Why? Our odds are what they’ve been all along.

Oh, and the last time Toronto jumped out of the lottery, they went all the way to the 6/seed in the East, bypassing the play in altogether. That pick was #20, traded to us for Thad Young, becoming Malaki. Better that we collect it this year.

[baseline bum]

That’s exactly right: how far will they take you? They get hunted mercilessly in the playoffs. Brunson, with his linebacker build, might have a chance. The competitive advantage that Tont Parker had two decades ago, his speed, has been erased by better talent levels accesos the league.

LOL let's draft Jeryl Sasser ahead of Tony Parker

[CGD]

Why? Our odds are what they’ve been all along.

Oh, and the last time Toronto jumped out of the lottery, they went all the way to the 6/seed in the East, bypassing the play in altogether. That pick was #20, traded to us for Thad Young, becoming Malaki. Better that we collect it this year.

I mean we can’t control the TOR situation, I’m just saying it’s not some terrible outcome if the pick is deferred one year. The East has also improved considerably in that 5-8 range since they last made the playoffs: Indy, Orlando, Knicks, Cleveland are all better than them right now. Say nothing that, Allstar FVV, Siakam, and a young OG are out the door.

[CGD]

The idea that the league is more talented is nonsense. It's specialized, that's all. Every team plays exactly the same way.

And GSW won with a tiny guard.

It’s both. You can’t tell me that when you look back at NBA rosters in the 2000s, that, even holding constant for style of play (an overrated go to of the old head players), that 60% of players on rosters then wouldn’t even be a 12th man on a roster today. That’s silly.

[CGD]

LOL let's draft Jeryl Sasser ahead of Tony Parker

I’m not saying that. I’m saying Tony had elite speed and that was disruptive in the 2000s, and it took teams time to catchup. But they’ve long caught up by now.

[onechance87]

Why? Our odds are what they’ve been all along.

Oh, and the last time Toronto jumped out of the lottery, they went all the way to the 6/seed in the East, bypassing the play in altogether. That pick was #20, traded to us for Thad Young, becoming Malaki. Better that we collect it this year.

They traded their best players...They are sitting players already...They are just a bad team...They need their pick
and will tank for it.

[SpursBills]

People like to make the Jalen Williams comp with Cody williams. Cody's doing better at the same age as Jalen Williams and is taller with similar length. I don't know the answer to this, maybe someone can help answer:

Have there been instances of two siblings playing in the NBA where the brother who was better at the same age ends up worse?

Off the top of my head, Curry, Holiday, Ball, Lopez, Morris, Jones are all siblings currently in the NBA. Usually the one who is better at a younger age ends up as the better player in the league, or at the very least not worse. Just wondering how often the opposite is true.

[Mr. Body]

Austin Reaves and Malaki Branham are both big guards and they're hunted. It has nothing to do with height. Cleveland has small guards and a good defense. Reed Sheppard is supposedly a good defender but he's the same size as Dillingham.

[Mr. Body]

People like to make the Jalen Williams comp with Cody williams. Cody's doing better at the same age as Jalen Williams and is taller with similar length. I don't know the answer to this, maybe someone can help answer:

Have there been instances of two siblings playing in the NBA where the brother who was better at the same age ends up worse?

Off the top of my head, Curry, Holiday, Ball, Lopez, Morris, Jones are all siblings currently in the NBA. Usually the one who is better at a younger age ends up as the better player in the league, or at the very least not worse. Just wondering how often the opposite is true.

Kris Murray comes immediately to mind. Plenty of brothers who never make it into the NBA. Giannis has a worse younger brother.

The idea of drafting a guy at higher spots because he has a brother is the silliest thing I've heard.

[Mr. Body]

I’m not saying that. I’m saying Tony had elite speed and that was disruptive in the 2000s, and it took teams time to catchup. But they’ve long caught up by now.

Teams haven't caught up. Again this is just nonsense. The rules have been changed in massive ways. If we switched immediately to early 2000s NBA defensive rules most of this league would be obsolete overnight. It's absurd to suggest there was a lack of talent back then, lmao.

[exstatic]

I’m not saying that. I’m saying Tony had elite speed and that was disruptive in the 2000s, and it took teams time to catchup. But they’ve long caught up by now.

Yes, all of those 150-148 games clearly show the league catching up.

[SpursBills]

Kris Murray comes immediately to mind. Plenty of brothers who never make it into the NBA. Giannis has a worse younger brother.

The idea of drafting a guy at higher spots because he has a brother is the silliest thing I've heard.

Were Kris murray and thanasis better than Keegan and Giannis at the same age? Not sure about giannis, but I thought Kris was the worse brother in college and is now the worse brother in the NBA. My question is, how often does it occur where the better brother at a younger age ends up worse in the NBA.

The main area where I guess this applies to Cody also is that one of the knocks on him is that he's very skinny with limited strength for his frame. I think it's reasonable to say that if Jalen was able to bulk up and gain strength once he got to the league, that there's at least a chance that Cody can do something similar which negates a major weakness of his.

EDIT:
Did a little digging; I don't know if the little brother theory is correct or not, but it's definitely interesting an something to consider here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=6iU0UGa7lKE

[CGD]

Teams haven't caught up. Again this is just nonsense. The rules have been changed in massive ways. If we switched immediately to early 2000s NBA defensive rules most of this league would be obsolete overnight. It's absurd to suggest there was a lack of talent back then, lmao.

Who’s saying there was a lack of talent in the 2000s? I’m saying players, especially, outside the obvious stars are significantly better today. Spurs were relying on Spurs legends Avery Johnson and Speedy “freakin” Claxton to win the 1999 and 2003 NBA finals! Those guys don’t make a D-League roster today. Common on, man.

[CGD]

^ think about it this way: adjusted for eras, 2024 Tre Jones is basically 1999 Avery Johnson. Tre is way better than AJ skill wise, and it’s not particularly close.

[BackHome]

Dily kinda reminds me of speedy Claxton

[Dejounte]

It Would Be A Mistake To Draft Risacher Tbh

Compared To Matas, He Is So One Dimensional

In Previous Years, People Have Their Consensus #2 Pick That I Always Seem To Be Against And Have So Far Turned Out To Be Correct… Jabari Smith, Jalen Green, Etc.

[CGD]

Dily kinda reminds me of speedy Claxton

Interesting, I’ll have to watch more of him now.

[CGD]

It Would Be A Mistake To Draft Risacher Tbh

Compared To Matas, He Is So One Dimensional

In Previous Years, People Have Their Consensus #2 Pick That I Always Seem To Be Against And Have So Far Turned Out To Be Correct… Jabari Smith, Jalen Green, Etc.

I also can’t shake Matas. Cant tell if it’s the (poor) choice to go to Ingite or him that account to for the struggles, but the size and projected skill is intriguing. Wasnt he also supposed to be decent on D?

[SOMA Spur]

Cody williams no question.

I alluded to this in another post, but as much as I like Sochan and think he has Scottie Barnes-lite upside, he's ultimately a little small to be a true 4. You don't want to give up positional size at both the 3 and 4 positions, so ideally you get someone who's 6'8" or over to play with him. Cody williams is 6'8" with a 7'2" wingspan and has the frame to fill out just like his brother. He's super raw but from the clips I've seen of him, he actually has the length, potential for strength, and the defensive savvy to serve as a POA defender allowing Sochan to better utilize his glue guy skills. His 3 ball needs work and his shooting signal is mediocre, but I'm willing to bank on his youth and work ethic. I saw somewhere that it's way easier to marginally improve a bunch of ok-ish skills than it is to completely overhaul something that's completely broken and I strongly agree with that. Cody williams is actually ok to decent (not good to great) at a ton of stuff including his handle, defense, shooting, and passing and I'd be willing to bet on his development on the margins. Additionally, trey jones has shown himself to be an actual serviceable starting point guard (did not expect his defensive EPM to be 0 at this point in the season) and so wing is probably a more pressing lead than lead guard unless you have the rare chance at getting a true big initiator which I'm not completely convinced Topic is.

I second everything here. In this hypothetical, Cody is the easy pick. He's further along with his development than his brother was at 19. We have a glaring hole at wing. We need to infuse this team with more talent across the board, OKC level talent, J-Dub level talent. Don't over think it, just draft his brother and develop him. In a couple years he'll be our stud at the wing. The hypothetical I'm not too sure about is if Risacher/Cody/Sarr are off the board. What then. I love Dilly, but I think a wing is what we need, so I'm leaning Salaun. I go back forth on those 2 at pick 4.

[CGD]

I second everything here. In this hypothetical, Cody is the easy pick. He's further along with his development than his brother was at 19. We have a glaring hole at wing. We need to infuse this team with more talent across the board, OKC level talent, J-Dub level talent. Don't over think it, just draft his brother and develop him. In a couple years he'll be our stud at the wing. The hypothetical I'm not too sure about is if Risacher/Cody/Sarr are off the board. What then. I love Dilly, but I think a wing is what we need, so I'm leaning Salaun. I go back forth on those 2 at pick 4.

The Sarr/Risaxher/Cody scenario is interesting too. I assume they go Topic there and defer the wing question to 2025. Hard to know now with the injury.

[Mr. Body]

Who’s saying there was a lack of talent in the 2000s? I’m saying players, especially, outside the obvious stars are significantly better today. Spurs were relying on Spurs legends Avery Johnson and Speedy “freakin” Claxton to win the 1999 and 2003 NBA finals! Those guys don’t make a D-League roster today. Common on, man.

This is just stupid. Totally disagree. Moving on.

[Mr. Body]

It Would Be A Mistake To Draft Risacher Tbh

Compared To Matas, He Is So One Dimensional

In Previous Years, People Have Their Consensus #2 Pick That I Always Seem To Be Against And Have So Far Turned Out To Be Correct… Jabari Smith, Jalen Green, Etc.

What are Buzelis's dimensions?

[TD 21]

Hopefully they don't get fooled into thinking they're fine for a while with a Jones/Wesley PG tandem and base their decision to go wing (especially ones who supposedly fit the point forward or connector archetype, like Williams and Buzelis) on a combination of that and their clear preference to avoid having a heliocentric lead guard . . but they probably will.

[Dejounte]

Hopefully they don't get fooled into thinking they're fine for a while with a Jones/Wesley PG tandem and base their decision to go wing (especially ones who supposedly fit the point forward or connector archetype, like Williams and Buzelis) on a combination of that and their clear preference to avoid having a heliocentric lead guard . . but they probably will.

You Forgot The Third: No Clear Cut Talent At PG In This Draft. It Does Matter That Jones & Wes Have Looked Better As Of Late Because If Their Scouting Report Shows That The PG’s In This Draft Aren’t That Much Of An Improvement, It Would Be Best To Wait Another Year For One That Will Be… And Go For A Bigger Talent Upgrade At Another Position Instead.

[Mr. Body]

Hopefully they don't get fooled into thinking they're fine for a while with a Jones/Wesley PG tandem and base their decision to go wing (especially ones who supposedly fit the point forward or connector archetype, like Williams and Buzelis) on a combination of that and their clear preference to avoid having a heliocentric lead guard . . but they probably will.

There are better wings in the draft. None of the peegs will be more than a backup at first and possibly always. And the impact of upgrading the SF will be more significant. I like Julian but he's worse as a starter than Jones is as a starter.

[TD 21]

I'm not opposed to going wing over lead guard, I just hope it's done for the right reasons and not because of some false sense of security.

[r0drig0lac]

Hopefully they don't get fooled into thinking they're fine for a while with a Jones/Wesley PG tandem and base their decision to go wing (especially ones who supposedly fit the point forward or connector archetype, like Williams and Buzelis) on a combination of that and their clear preference to avoid having a heliocentric lead guard . . but they probably will.
I hope they are after forwards and wings (Sarr, Risacher, Buzelis, Williams or Salaun), the chance of getting a high level guard on the market or FA is greater than getting a forward (and it would probably cost less anyway)

[CGD]

This is just stupid. Totally disagree. Moving on.

Wholeheartedly agree. Moving on

[onechance87]

There are better wings in the draft. None of the peegs will be more than a backup at first and possibly always. And the impact of upgrading the SF will be more significant. I like Julian but he's worse as a starter than Jones is as a starter.

i agree...But i think we need another big who rebounds and defends the paint...When wemby sits or gets into foul trouble our
team goes to shit pretty fast...Not sure other then sarr who can do that.Hoping we can another big in fa,Then draft a sf

[Mr. Body]

i agree...But i think we need another big who rebounds and defends the paint...When wemby sits or gets into foul trouble our
team goes to shit pretty fast...Not sure other then sarr who can do that.Hoping we can another big in fa,Then draft a sf

Oh definitely need productive size.