2024 NBA Draft Thread

[KingKev]

Wolves had 5 players who can handle the job on defense.
Celtics have 5 players that can defend multiple positions, are good rebounders for their size, are at least above average from deep and can put the ball on ther floor.
Their offense works not only because everyone can shoot, but because everyone can initiate the offense, run PNR and attack the basket.

It's exactly the kind of roster Spurs need around Wemby.
Forget twin towers, forget 10apg heliocentric playmakers or second options that can score 30 on regular basis.
Just get one all-star and a bunch of elite role players and we're good to go because Wemby will unquestionably be the best player in the league in no time.

Agree with this although I still think you need a Robin offensively. Wemby will have games where he is off, injured or playing through injuries, in foul trouble or just plain tired etc and that is when you need that second All Star caliber player to pick up the slack. Longer term I don’t see Vassell being that guy.

[LeBowen]

Agree with this although I still think you need a Robin offensively. Wemby will have games where he is off, injured or playing through injuries, in foul trouble or just plain tired etc and that is when you need that second All Star caliber player to pick up the slack. Longer term I don’t see Vassell being that guy.

Obviously.
But that second option should be someone who doesn't need to have a lot of time on the ball.
That's why I've been repeating myself that Markkanen should be the primary target and that DJ should be in serious consideration for point guard position.
Imagine Wemby with another 7 footer who shoots 40% from deep on 8 attempts, can score from anywhere and is a solid enough defender?
And a two-way point guard on a team friendly deal.

Volume shooting is where it's at in today's league.
That's why I don't rate shooting splits from a lot of these players.
Someone who's shooting in low 30s while being left wide open isn't a shooter.
We need players that need to be chased around screens and closed down in order to create enough spacing for Wemby.

[The Truth #6]

Anyone have Pelton's stats only big board?

[KingKev]

Obviously.
But that second option should be someone who doesn't need to have a lot of time on the ball.
That's why I've been repeating myself that Markkanen should be the primary target and that DJ should be in serious consideration for point guard position.
Imagine Wemby with another 7 footer who shoots 40% from deep on 8 attempts, can score from anywhere and is a solid enough defender?
And a two-way point guard on a team friendly deal.

Volume shooting is where it's at in today's league.
That's why I don't rate shooting splits from a lot of these players.
Someone who's shooting in low 30s while being left wide open isn't a shooter.
We need players that need to be chased around screens and closed down in order to create enough spacing for Wemby.

I’d be all for this and we have the assets to make it happen in short order quite honestly. A nucleus like that gets you in the pretender category and well positioned to win some playoff games while Wemby continues to develop. Would be tough to part with the ATL picks however as Im certain one of those picks could strike gold.

[Dverde]

Bulls-Spurs trade?
https://twitter.com/TheDunkCentral/status/1799093990718935355?

[Mugen]

I'd trade down to #11 if the Bulls eased the protections on the 2025 pick. Something like 1-10 protected to 1-5 protected instead...not sure if that's allowed?

[The Truth #6]

Trading with the Bulls seems feasible. They have too many point guards.

[BacktoBasics]

I don’t want Lavine and they’re not gonna let go of White

[TD 21]

I still think Castle/Salaun is the most likely scenario, but I could see Buzelis/Carter and would probably prefer it because at least in the case of Carter, he's the one of the four who I feel stands a good chance of at least being a quality sixth man.

If they go with the latter combination, it'll most likely mean Jones' days are numbered. Even though Carter isn't a lead guard and plays much bigger than his height, in the end it's still two small or smallish role playing guards, which doesn't make sense to invest in long term.


I kind of sense the same in his interviews, he talks about how he didn't watch basketball growing up, and looks almost too relaxed. That kind of put me off a bit. There are a lot of things I like about Buzelis, especially that combination of skills and fluidity to go along with size, but if he isn't perceived as a strong competitor then that takes a lot of the appeal for me. Starting to give me some Keith Van Horn vibes.

Agreed. He also doesn't need the money, at least to the extent most do (granted, neither did David Lee, but you'd have never known it from the way he played) and lacks a bankable skill.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'm in the camp of packaging #8 for Garland right now, with how this draft is turning out

[Mr. Body]

I'm in the camp of packaging #8 for Garland right now, with how this draft is turning out

Just get Dillingham, man. Won't pay anything for him. Way cheaper, he's Wembanyama's age, and good chance he'll be at least as good as Garland if not even better.

[jesterbobman]

Anyone have Pelton's stats only big board?

Don't think the Stats only is published, but the stats / model combo is here:
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/39906470/nba-draft-2024-projecting-30-best-prospects

Reddit thread with the rankings here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/1c1jzpb/pelton_nba_draft_model_projections/

[CGD]

I'm in the camp of packaging #8 for Garland right now, with how this draft is turning out

Hey, a friend

[Knoxxx]

Castle/Dilly (Knecht)

or

Sheppard/C Williams (Castle, Buzelis, Holland)

[NASpurs]

Don't think the Stats only is published, but the stats / model combo is here:
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/39906470/nba-draft-2024-projecting-30-best-prospects

Reddit thread with the rankings here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/1c1jzpb/pelton_nba_draft_model_projections/

Makes me wonder what the Spurs would do if the best player on their board at #4 is a center...

We're so lacking of talent that I wouldn't bat an eye if a big was selected. Then later package Collins + whatever for a wing or guard.

Personally I find the guards and wings to be underwhelming, no one seems worthy of a #4 pick and barely an #8 pick. Saying that, it also makes me wonder what you can pull by offering the #4 and #8 picks.

[BatManu20]

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[Bruno]

Right now, regarding players potential availability at #4 and #8, I think the situation is the following:
- Players who won't be there at #4 : Sarr and Risacher.
- Players who could be there at #4 but won't be there at #8: Clingan, Sheppard, Buzelis and Castle.
- Players who could be picked at #8 without being a huge reach: Dillingham, Knecht, Salaün, Topic, Holland, Cody Williams and Devin Carter.

Personally, I would go with Castle at #4 and Cody Williams at #8.

[The Truth #6]

Don't think the Stats only is published, but the stats / model combo is here:
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/39906470/nba-draft-2024-projecting-30-best-prospects

Reddit thread with the rankings here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NBA_Draft/comments/1c1jzpb/pelton_nba_draft_model_projections/

Edey at 4 is fascinating as I assume his age is factored in.
8 is Furphy on this list. 7 Dillingham. 11 Collier!

[PhantomDashCam]

Right now, regarding players potential availability at #4 and #8, I think the situation is the following:
- Players who won't be there at #4 : Sarr and Risacher.
- Players who could be there at #4 but won't be there at #8: Clingan, Sheppard, Buzelis and Castle.
- Players who could be picked at #8 without being a huge reach: Dillingham, Knecht, Salaün, Topic, Holland, Cody Williams and Devin Carter.

Personally, I would go with Castle at #4 and Cody Williams at #8.

Under that scenario, are you viewing Castle long term as a PG/Primary initiator?

[Russ]

Right now, regarding players potential availability at #4 and #8, I think the situation is the following:
- Players who won't be there at #4 : Sarr and Risacher.
- Players who could be there at #4 but won't be there at #8: Clingan, Sheppard, Buzelis and Castle.
- Players who could be picked at #8 without being a huge reach: Dillingham, Knecht, Salaün, Topic, Holland, Cody Williams and Devin Carter.

Personally, I would go with Castle at #4 and Cody Williams at #8.

If worst comes to worst (which it usually does) I would go with Castle at #4 and Topic at #8.

Better yet, package 4 and 8 to move up and get Sarr (or at least try).

[Bruno]

Under that scenario, are you viewing Castle long term as a PG/Primary initiator?

Yes, I'm drafting him to play PG.

[rjv]

1799136550208336040

pistons and blazers? that's interesting. maybe he could go before the 8th pick.

[baseline bum]

If worst comes to worst (which it usually does) I would go with Castle at #4 and Topic at #8.

Better yet, package 4 and 8 to move up and get Sarr (or at least try).

No thanks on Topic when he's no longer got the big guard hype working for him. Now we see why he couldn't finish at the rim in Euroleague with the jump in level of competition vs the ABA. I wondered what the problem was where he went from superstar to scrub but the negative wingspan explains it pretty well. I wouldn't touch the guy with a pick earlier than the mid 20s. Hard to see him as anything higher than the 7th best PG in this class now.

[spurraider21]

pistons and blazers? that's interesting. maybe he could go before the 8th pick.
please god

[baseline bum]

pistons and blazers? that's interesting. maybe he could go before the 8th pick.

Probably just due diligence in working every lottery player out.

[Bruno]

I quite like Topic but what I truly hate about him is his agent.

This is what he told to media while Topic had a torn ACL:
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/page/NBADraft24-40145332/2024-nba-draft-combine-prospects-workout-highlights-measurements-stats-more


Monday, he appeared to reinjure the same knee, looking unable to put any weight as he limped off the court in obvious distress. A postgame examination revealed Topic avoided serious injury, sources told ESPN, and he will not require surgery. His injury is being described as a left knee sprain. A source told ESPN that Topic "froze up" after feeling pain in his previously injured knee, but recovered quickly in the locker room.

This level of lying is unreal, even for an agent defending the draft stock of his player.

[BackHome]

Right now, regarding players potential availability at #4 and #8, I think the situation is the following:
- Players who won't be there at #4 : Sarr and Risacher.
- Players who could be there at #4 but won't be there at #8: Clingan, Sheppard, Buzelis and Castle.
- Players who could be picked at #8 without being a huge reach: Dillingham, Knecht, Salaün, Topic, Holland, Cody Williams and Devin Carter.

Personally, I would go with Castle at #4 and Cody Williams at #8.

I agree with how players will go on draft night and I actually like those two players

[rascal]

pistons and blazers? that's interesting. maybe he could go before the 8th pick.

Don't say that!

Spurs may draft him at 4 if they fear he'll go before 8.

[sfernald]

in the big picture we should expect that both 2nd round picks might be stashed. (or traded). the roster is filled up anyway and there are some more 1st rounders coming in 2025. not that I wish they go that route, but I wouldn't be surprised and the reasons are obvious.

there will be enough raw talent to place a bet on and watch them develop for two or three years. like Johnson, Dadiet, Djurisic, Ajinca, Chomche, Flowers.

Roster is filled up with garbage. Every one of these guys should be fighting for his job at training camp except Wemby. It would be like Okc saying let’s not draft Jalen Williams cause we already have Tre Mann lmao.

[exstatic]

After consideration, we’ll come away from the draft with Castle, somehow, some way.

[Mr. Body]

After consideration, we’ll come away from the draft with Castle, somehow, some way.

Only way not is if Risacher drops. Might mean Washington takes Castle, anyway. But if the Spurs are looking at Risacher and Castle and take the former, that'll be a mistake.

[PhantomDashCam]

Grain of salt? Interesting if true.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-fan-mailbag-hawks-plans-nba-draft-rumors


The next order of business pertains to the San Antonio Spurs, with the fourth and eighth overall selections. The Spurs are said to have interest in hearing out offers for either pick, sources said, yet it is unlikely that they would relinquish both. The need for immediate production next to Victor Wembanyama in the backcourt will be addressed with one of these selections.

[objective]

Juan Nunez with some good measurements ... 6-4 barefoot with a 6-6 wingspan

Slow as one might have expected but he's going to be a legit 6-5 in shoes, let's get that 2nd round stash

[rascal]

Only way not is if Risacher drops. Might mean Washington takes Castle, anyway. But if the Spurs are looking at Risacher and Castle and take the former, that'll be a mistake.

I also like Castle more.

He fills a need and it's the perfect time to get that type of player out of this draft.

Next year the Spurs will most likely have at least two lottery picks and its deeper with higher end offensive players.
Better to get the offensive upside SF next year, get the top perimeter defensive player out of this draft.

[alfahdlan]

Castle/Dilly (Knecht)

or

Sheppard/C Williams (Castle, Buzelis, Holland)

Sheppard/Holland = Offense/Defense

[Mr. Body]

Grain of salt? Interesting if true.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-fan-mailbag-hawks-plans-nba-draft-rumors

Wouldn't be a surprise at all to see one of the picks move. I think we'll see two rookies, at least, and there are still the 35 and late SRP. The new CBA makes early SRPs potentially more valuable than late FRPs for contending teams (two-way vs. guaranteed contracts), and there will be gems later in the first round.

Booting the 8 and pulling into the late first isn't a bad use of assets. The option is there.

[R. DeMurre]

Juan Nunez with some good measurements ... 6-4 barefoot with a 6-6 wingspan

Slow as one might have expected but he's going to be a legit 6-5 in shoes, let's get that 2nd round stash

Interesting that Nunez's measurements of 6'4" w/ 6'6" wingspan are "good," but Topic's 6'6" w/ 6' 5.5" wingspan are somehow an unmitigated disaster....

[Big Empty]

Castle will be gone by our pick, but 6’6 combo guards are a dime a dozen every year. So Clingan at 4 and Knect at 8. We plug 2 huge holes in a defensive center and shooting. Im ok with running it back with Tre & Blake running the point for one more year and this if the Spurs dont trade future picks for D Murray/Trae or Garland as there are alot of rumors going around.

Wemby/Clingan/Barlow
Sochan/Collins/Mamu
Champange/K Johnson/Cissoko
Vassell/Knect/Branham
Jones/Wesley

this is a solid line up. Obviously Pop is gonna slowly work the rookies into the rotation and we can focus on a pg and defensive wing next year with our two picks unless we trade them for a veteran pg

[JPB]

Take it for what's it's worth, but Givony is also reporting, after Clingan worked out for them, that ATL could be contemplating the idea of trading down.

"Clingan is a top-three prospect who might experience a minor drop on draft night because teams that are in the Nos. 3-6 range already have starting centers in place. He's in conversation at No. 1 after working out in Atlanta (which is exploring trade-down scenarios).

He is also spending time in Washington, which has the No. 2 pick. Clingan isn't expected to drop past the Portland Trail Blazers at No. 7, whom he just visited for a private workout as well. He is being discussed among teams as a possible target for the likes of Chicago, Memphis, Oklahoma City or Utah, who all might explore trading up for a player in his mold."

[RC_Drunkford]

Just get Dillingham, man. Won't pay anything for him. Way cheaper, he's Wembanyama's age, and good chance he'll be at least as good as Garland if not even better.

I was in that boat, but how big is the chance of Dillingham turning out to be Garland? I mean basically best case scenario is Dillingham becomes a Garland-level player. Then why not just take Garland who's a sure thing and won't have to develop for 3 years? Besides that Garland is definitely a better defender as of now, even though he still sucks on that end too. Garland and Tre Young are basically the only All-Star level PGs 25 and under who will be available and if they are available now, you need to pull the trigger. Otherwise we'll be sitting here in 2028 still looking for an All-Star PG.

If we use both picks I definitely want to draft Dillingham, but if he doesn't hit and these 2 guys have been traded to other teams we will have a PG problem for a while.

[RC_Drunkford]

Obviously.
But that second option should be someone who doesn't need to have a lot of time on the ball.
That's why I've been repeating myself that Markkanen should be the primary target and that DJ should be in serious consideration for point guard position.
Imagine Wemby with another 7 footer who shoots 40% from deep on 8 attempts, can score from anywhere and is a solid enough defender?
And a two-way point guard on a team friendly deal.

Volume shooting is where it's at in today's league.
That's why I don't rate shooting splits from a lot of these players.
Someone who's shooting in low 30s while being left wide open isn't a shooter.
We need players that need to be chased around screens and closed down in order to create enough spacing for Wemby.

I'm with you on Markkanen, but I'm not sure DJ is the best fit at PG. He doesn't break down the defense to create open shots and he's also not a good point of attack defender. I'd much rather get a dynamic PG like Garland/Dillingham who can break down the defense and draw help and have somebody like a Castle develop off the bench into that Jrue Holiday mold, so you can change the line up if you need defense at the 1.

[mystargtr34]

I'm with you on Markkanen, but I'm not sure DJ is the best fit at PG. He doesn't break down the defense to create open shots and he's also not a good point of attack defender. I'd much rather get a dynamic PG like Garland/Dillingham who can break down the defense and draw help and have somebody like a Castle develop off the bench into that Jrue Holiday mold, so you can change the line up if you need defense at the 1.

Agree on DJ. I don’t want him here he’s not a needle mover. Decent floor raiser on a bad team but not someone who’s gonna win you playoff series because he needs the ball in his hands to be effective but if the balls in his hands he’s not good enough with it to win you playoff series.

A Westbrook-lite if you will.

[cutewizard]

Tbh, letting Wemby have his way once only for it to fail miserably would be a good way to make him realize not to question people who are actually paid to scout, evaluate, trade and draft players.
(I'm not saying that Wemby will even do soemthing like this, just in case it happens.)
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Dejounte or White



Spurs starting lineup needs, no particular order:
1) Primary playmaker.
2) Shooting.
3) Point of attack defender.
4) Perimeter defense in general.

Risacher is the only prospect who fills at least one need on both sides of the floor and he looks to be the safest pick, even if his ceiling isn't that high.
Other than him, it's either defenders that can't shoot or shooters that can't defend. Or theoretical players who need to improve everything in order to even stay in the league.

Other than Risacher, Dillingham would fill playmaking and shooting needs, but he'd be the worst defender in the league.
I'm not that high on Risacher, but I can see the logic if they think his floor is a solid 3-D player with upside to develop into elite 3-D player.
With the way the game is being played today, an elite wing defender that shoots 40% from deep on 8 attempts per game would be invaluable.

[cutewizard]

FWIW, I tried simulating the Spurs on 2K by adding a bunch of different prospects (Risacher, Castle, Dillingham, Topic, and Salaun) to the roster. Here are my observations:

1. Risacher is such a good fit on this current roster.
2. The rotations were more sensible when a PG like Dillingham or Topic was on the roster.
3. Castle can start at the 3 between Vassell and Sochan.
4. Backup 4 is a sneaky need for this team right now, unless you believe in Bassey.

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On point , totally agree

[cutewizard]

the coming man is........................

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSS9HA5qgIA

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pxvm_XQo0c

[cutewizard]

the new Bird, hehehehehe

[mo7888]

I was in that boat, but how big is the chance of Dillingham turning out to be Garland? I mean basically best case scenario is Dillingham becomes a Garland-level player. Then why not just take Garland who's a sure thing and won't have to develop for 3 years? Besides that Garland is definitely a better defender as of now, even though he still sucks on that end too. Garland and Tre Young are basically the only All-Star level PGs 25 and under who will be available and if they are available now, you need to pull the trigger. Otherwise we'll be sitting here in 2028 still looking for an All-Star PG.

If we use both picks I definitely want to draft Dillingham, but if he doesn't hit and these 2 guys have been traded to other teams we will have a PG problem for a while.

I can't see Dilly becoming Garland. At best, I see him as an energy scorer off the bench. That's a valuable thing though, so this isn't a diss, but they aren't comparable in my book.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO25sg3iuy0

[cutewizard]

Question:

Is Durant the highest ceiling of Risacher????

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ut0SbmY8lQ

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU0wJ51BKy4

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpG_Lim0F0M

[exstatic]

Only way not is if Risacher drops. Might mean Washington takes Castle, anyway. But if the Spurs are looking at Risacher and Castle and take the former, that'll be a mistake.

Risacher will go one or two. Sarr will go in the other spot.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpG_Lim0F0M

Clearly selected for engagement because we're not expected to select him so it's a surprise.

That said, there's an obvious case if both of our most-wanted choices (assume Rissacher + 1) go 1-3 that we figure it's not worth getting 2 guards/wings that aren't our top preferences in a below average draft, and that what will be available at 8 is not that much worse in quality/fit than what we can take at 4.

Whereas Clingan is the obvious best available big, Wemby can't play 48 mins a night.

Only see this if the 3 pick is taking our first-preference player tho.

[CGD]

If OKC overwhelms us with a trade package of 12 and several tasty future pick, for 4 so they can take Cligan, do you do it?

We’d be gifting them a really good Wemby defender for years to come.

[objective]

Interesting that Nunez's measurements of 6'4" w/ 6'6" wingspan are "good," but Topic's 6'6" w/ 6' 5.5" wingspan are somehow an unmitigated disaster....

It's contextual.

He was listed at 6-4, so I expected 6-2.5 or 6-2.75 barefoot.

He's bigger than Derrick White which I didn't expect

[CGD]

Grain of salt? Interesting if true.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba-fan-mailbag-hawks-plans-nba-draft-rumors

I mean it’s kinda of an obvious point, but, yes, would be wise of them to play out scenarios.

The rumored trade up teams
- Memphis (Clingan)
- Chicago (Buzelis)
- OKC (Clingan)
- Portland (Clingan)

Interesting Assets
- CHI (Ayo Dusunmo)
- OKC (Giddey; trove of picks)
- POR (7&14; distant FRPs from MIL & BOS)

[couchman]

Makes me wonder what the Spurs would do if the best player on their board at #4 is a center...

We're so lacking of talent that I wouldn't bat an eye if a big was selected. Then later package Collins + whatever for a wing or guard.

Personally I find the guards and wings to be underwhelming, no one seems worthy of a #4 pick and barely an #8 pick. Saying that, it also makes me wonder what you can pull by offering the #4 and #8 picks.

Unless Risacher or Sheppard fall to us at 4 then whomever is left of Sarr and Clingan is the obvious BPA at that point.
I have Clingan 3rd my my big board and would be ok taking him 4th

[Anonymous Cowherd]

If OKC overwhelms us with a trade package of 12 and several tasty future pick, for 4 so they can take Cligan, do you do it?

We’d be gifting them a really good Wemby defender for years to come.

We don't need future draft capital, so no.

[z0sa]

If OKC overwhelms us with a trade package of 12 and several tasty future pick, for 4 so they can take Cligan, do you do it?

We’d be gifting them a really good Wemby defender for years to come.

Not just no but fuck no. :)

[scott]

Castle will be gone by our pick, but 6’6 combo guards are a dime a dozen every year. So Clingan at 4 and Knect at 8. We plug 2 huge holes in a defensive center and shooting. Im ok with running it back with Tre & Blake running the point for one more year and this if the Spurs dont trade future picks for D Murray/Trae or Garland as there are alot of rumors going around.

Wemby/Clingan/Barlow
Sochan/Collins/Mamu
Champange/K Johnson/Cissoko
Vassell/Knect/Branham
Jones/Wesley

this is a solid line up. Obviously Pop is gonna slowly work the rookies into the rotation and we can focus on a pg and defensive wing next year with our two picks unless we trade them for a veteran pg

So we’re tanking again this year? Because running it back with one of the league’s worst teams while using two top-10 picks on backup SG and backup C seems like a hard tank move.

[baseline bum]

If OKC overwhelms us with a trade package of 12 and several tasty future pick, for 4 so they can take Cligan, do you do it?

We’d be gifting them a really good Wemby defender for years to come.

Nah. Only player on their roster I'd be interested in that would be available would be Cason Wallace.

[scott]

Take it for what's it's worth, but Givony is also reporting, after Clingan worked out for them, that ATL could be contemplating the idea of trading down.

"Clingan is a top-three prospect who might experience a minor drop on draft night because teams that are in the Nos. 3-6 range already have starting centers in place. He's in conversation at No. 1 after working out in Atlanta (which is exploring trade-down scenarios).

He is also spending time in Washington, which has the No. 2 pick. Clingan isn't expected to drop past the Portland Trail Blazers at No. 7, whom he just visited for a private workout as well. He is being discussed among teams as a possible target for the likes of Chicago, Memphis, Oklahoma City or Utah, who all might explore trading up for a player in his mold."

I’ll preface by saying that this is mostly just wishful thinking and this is highly unlikely… but if Utah is interested in moving up to take Clingan (why, I have no idea - doesn’t fit at all with Kessler)… then I’m happy to oblige if it’s part of a Markkannen deal.

[Mr. Body]

Risacher will go one or two. Sarr will go in the other spot.

Nah. Plenty of chance that Sarr goes one, someone else at Wash and Houston takes Reed or trades out to someone who takes Clingan.

Plenty of scenarios where Risacher doesn't go top three.

[scott]

In many respects, I see things starting to shape out an an efficiency taking root whereby it becomes increasingly difficult to get ideal combos. I don’t see scenarios where you get two of Rischer/Castle/Sheppard/Buzelis (you won’t even get a shot to take one of some of them). You’re going to have to take one of them at 4 and then one of Dillingham/Knecht/Williams/Holland/Salaun/Carter at 8.

I think my preferred Combo is Buzelis + Dillingham/Carter. Willliams would be my third choice for #8. Don’t really care for the others. I really wanted two wings after the lotto, but Holland has tumble down my board, I don’t love Williams, but do see some potential there and SF/PF depth is so weak on this team (especially if Keldon will eventually be moved) that doubling up there takes a higher priority for me than PG. With that said… Dilly and Carter are the best two players left at 8 IMO and the team has too many holes to ignore that.

Why Buzelis over Castle? I could go either way there (and it wouldn’t impact what I do at 8 in this scenario… though I’m a little less excited about Castle the SF than I am Castle the G in a Derrick White kind of role). The key with Buzelis is that I do see shooting potential and think that will not just be average, but he’ll develop into a good NBA shooter. He moves well, has nice defensive potential, and I really like the length. His frame looks like it could support some more bulk too, and he could be a very good long term PF option.

[SpursFan86]

How I see things at this point: Pick whoever is there of Sheppard/Castle at #4. Sarr and Risacher seem very likely to be gone by then, and seems fairly likely one of Sheppard/Castle will be gone too. If they’re both there then great, pick whichever you like best (I lean Sheppard). I don’t think Risacher will be available but honestly even if he is I still think I’d go with Sheppard/Castle.

For #8 it’s a crapshoot. Going to be at least 5 guys that you could reasonably argue, but Dillingham/Holland are probably my favorite 2 that seem likely to be there. Fine with Topic/Williams/Carter/Knecht too…don’t think I’d hate any (reasonable) pick aside from them going the Salaun route.

I could see SA trading down from 8 if they’re not super high on anyone and feel like it’s a flat tier from 8 to 14 or whatever. That being said we have more than enough picks coming our way…not a huge fan of acquiring more 2nds but if they get a meaningful haul for trading back 5 spots then go for it.

[Big Empty]

So we’re tanking again this year? Because running it back with one of the league’s worst teams while using two top-10 picks on backup SG and backup C seems like a hard tank move.theres no rookie in this draft outside of Cling that is gonna move the needle much for any team right off the bat. There’s a learning curve and it takes time for rookies to get acclimated to all the games, schemes & minutes at the nba level. Its why in my mock line up Cling & Knect come off the bench. Eventually they will start. But lets be honest, the Spurs team started to play better together with Tre at the point after the allstar break. Spurs would have won close to 30 games in my opinion had Tre started from the get go. Cling coming off the bench would help maintain leads we lost alot of when Wemby went to the bench. I hope noone has playoff expectations next year we have the same team with 2 rookies this coming year. The Spurs aent going to trade everything for any player under 6’6, size & defense wins championships outside of the young Warriors. Two years from now playoff expectations will be legit. Just my arm chair GM opinion. Knect aint falling to 8 anyways

[LeBowen]

Eventually they will start.

No.
No.
And no.
Wemby should never, ever start with another traditional big.

[Degoat]

Maybe I’m too opportunistic, but I’ve seen many say there aren’t rookies that are going to come in and make a difference. We have arguably two of the worst starters in the league in Tre Jones and Julian Champagnie (and I love both of those guys) just not as starters.

[Pauleta14]

I'm with you on Markkanen, but I'm not sure DJ is the best fit at PG. He doesn't break down the defense to create open shots and he's also not a good point of attack defender. I'd much rather get a dynamic PG like Garland/Dillingham who can break down the defense and draw help and have somebody like a Castle develop off the bench into that Jrue Holiday mold, so you can change the line up if you need defense at the 1.

Not a huge fan of the option bc of his personnality and past, but DJ makes a lot more sense when you think of Wemby's playmaking abilities.

We might not need a PG that breaks defenses/floor manager but one that can shoot/spread and play pick and rolls, which he can.

+ Once a Spur he could be a very diff player that the one showcasing himself like he does in ATL. "Spurs culture/dna" could work on him

[Big Empty]

No.
No.
And no.
Wemby should never, ever start with another traditional big.the teams that matter are going towards large front court players. You got the young Timberwolves, OKC is looking to add another center, the Mavs got Lively & Gafford, you still Got Embiid in the east another 3-5 years. Wemby isnt ever going to put on 50 lbs of muscle and have a lower center of gravity at 7’5. Collins is useless. We need to be able to match up with these western conference playoff rivals if we’re going anywhere in the next few years.

[LeBowen]

the teams that matter are going towards large front court players. You got the young Timberwolves, OKC is looking to add another center, the Mavs got Lively & Gafford, you still Got Embiid in the east another 3-5 years. Wemby isnt ever going to put on 50 lbs of muscle and have a lower center of gravity at 7’5. Collins is useless. We need to be able to match up with these western conference playoff rivals if we’re going anywhere in the next few years.

No.

Having another big on the floor just allows the opposition to keep more size on the floor and double Wemby in the paint. Unless that other 7 footer is someone like Markkanen who's actually a wing.
Wemby doesn't need muscle, he's at the point where his length advantage is overwhelming enough to negate weight difference. We saw it already. Even if he's pushed all the way under the basket, he's got enough length to contest most shots.
And those heavy bigs can't keep up with him on the other end.

Teams always adjust to the best player in the league. When Wemby gets there, they won't have a choice but to adjust to the Spurs roster, not the other way around.
Recipe will most likely be a bunch of long wings and one elite rim protector who won't be a primary defender on Wemby.

[Mr. Body]

In many respects, I see things starting to shape out an an efficiency taking root whereby it becomes increasingly difficult to get ideal combos. I don’t see scenarios where you get two of Rischer/Castle/Sheppard/Buzelis (you won’t even get a shot to take one of some of them). You’re going to have to take one of them at 4 and then one of Dillingham/Knecht/Williams/Holland/Salaun/Carter at 8.

I think my preferred Combo is Buzelis + Dillingham/Carter. Willliams would be my third choice for #8. Don’t really care for the others. I really wanted two wings after the lotto, but Holland has tumble down my board, I don’t love Williams, but do see some potential there and SF/PF depth is so weak on this team (especially if Keldon will eventually be moved) that doubling up there takes a higher priority for me than PG. With that said… Dilly and Carter are the best two players left at 8 IMO and the team has too many holes to ignore that.

Why Buzelis over Castle? I could go either way there (and it wouldn’t impact what I do at 8 in this scenario… though I’m a little less excited about Castle the SF than I am Castle the G in a Derrick White kind of role). The key with Buzelis is that I do see shooting potential and think that will not just be average, but he’ll develop into a good NBA shooter. He moves well, has nice defensive potential, and I really like the length. His frame looks like it could support some more bulk too, and he could be a very good long term PF option.

It depends on teams like Washington and Detroit recognizing who their best choices actually are.

Washington - Risacher ain't it. Not because he's bad, but because he doesn't do anything for them. Another forward to stick in the corner and one who cannot self-create, the way Bilal cannot self-create? Better trade down, take a defensive centerpiece, or a guard who can organize things or become a star.

Detroit - Buzelis gets mention due to nepotism. He's actually a fine piece, would be a good get. What they actually need is a scoring flamethrower to take the pressure off all their non-shooters.

Houston - A true wildcard, as their play is moving the pick and the destination team's needs could be anything.

Priorities imm are Castle - Dillingham - Sheppard - and down a bit Risacher. Don't really care so much about Risacher but I'd be okay. That's probably my top tier.

I think Washington is high risk to take Castle or even Dillingham. The traded Houston pick is probably Clingan, but could be Sheppard. I don't think anyone is going to trade up for Castle or Dillingham.

Detroit really should take Dillingham. That's assuming Risacher and Sheppard are gone. Even if they're there, Dillingham is the right pick for them.

My targets at this point is trying to get Castle-Dillingham or Castle-Sheppard (unlikely, but that's fine). My antennae are out to trade down to get another team Clingan, which means trading down from the 4. I would also be open if someone wants to target a Sheppard or Risacher who is still there at 4. I realize this is contradictory, but being open to assets is good.

I'm also open to trading out from the 8, whether for Clingan or otherwise. If I can get one of the two best fits (Castle, Dillingham) and trade the other out, I'm okay with that. We still have that 35 and a wealth of playoff teams who may want to move out of the first round. Knicks have two picks in the 20s, for example. Picking a Furphy or a Dadiet later is a far better outcome than getting Risacher at 4, for example.

If I'm still picking at 8 and have my second favorite gone, I'm not too upset going for a Cody Williams or Carter type. That's fine.

tl;dr Get at least one of the two excellent fits/upsides, see about squeezing value out of the rest.

[Mr. Body]

Basically, the Spurs have an honest shot at getting the two best players in the draft, or at least who are visible right now. Sheppard has great promise, too.

Atlanta-Washington are in tight spots because Sarr-Risacher look like those 'safe bets' they have to take, but most likely tap out at pretty good.

Other teams have particular needs and allegiances that will affect their choices. Of course anyone can turn out, team itself matters, but at 4 and 8 the Spurs have a really good shot at this.

[Big Empty]

[QUOTE=LeBowen;11075067]No.
No.
And no.
Wemby should never, ever start with another traditional big.[/QUOTE sorry dup reply

[sfernald]

Question:

Is Durant the highest ceiling of Risacher????

Tobias Harris is ceiling lol.

[sfernald]

I mean it’s kinda of an obvious point, but, yes, would be wise of them to play out scenarios.

The rumored trade up teams
- Memphis (Clingan)
- Chicago (Buzelis)
- OKC (Clingan)
- Portland (Clingan)

Interesting Assets
- CHI (Ayo Dusunmo)
- OKC (Giddey; trove of picks)
- POR (7&14; distant FRPs from MIL & BOS)


I would be willing to do 7&14 for #8.

[NASpurs]

Bro I'm tired of Wemby getting rest and the whole defense going to shit. I'm leaning towards drafting Clingan if he's there at 4. If he's not there at 4, then yeah Castle or Sheppard is fine.

[couchman]

Bro I'm tired of Wemby getting rest and the whole defense going to shit. I'm leaning towards drafting Clingan if he's there at 4. If he's not there at 4, then yeah Castle or Sheppard is fine.


This is exactly why Clingan could be a good pick.
Wemby is going to avg 30 mins a game next year, at most.
Replacing Collin’s’ minutes with someone who doesn’t suck on defense is probably worth at least 5 more wins immediately.
I also think Wemby can share the floor with a good big a few minutes a game in certain matchups.
Last but not least, when someone like Embiid or Jokic is using their beef to eat Wemby alive it would be nice to have a beefy alternative to throw out there for a few minutes.

[drpill]

Spurs need size. I am not opposed to taking Clingan or even Edey in this draft, as long as the other pick is a talented shooter and ideally playmaker or defender as well. Some day Wemby is going to develop that 7'5" Kevin Durant side of his game and it will make all the sense in the world to have another big on the floor for significant minutes.

[exstatic]

I would be willing to do 7&14 for #8.

Makes no sense. We get to trade up one and get an extra pick for them moving back one? A hypothetical based JUST on pick numbers would be 8 and 14 for 7

[bluebellmaniac]

Makes no sense. We get to trade up one and get an extra pick for them moving back one? A hypothetical based JUST on pick numbers would be 8 and 14 for 7

I'm pretty sure he was joking.

[jjspur]

For the most part we should be able to draft who we want at 4 (other than Sarr & Risacher), but someone always drops and changes the complexion of the draft a bit - especially in this draft. The Spurs should prepare themselves to trade pick 8 - just in case something like that happens. Take advantage of the situation and possibly get some extra value picks or players , rather than select a meh player that really doesn't help the team much other than keeping a bench seat warm. Remember the #8 spot is a somewhat pricey salary, why waste it.

[spurraider21]

If we are drafting castle at pg instead of one of the Kentucky guys (sigh) i really hope we make a full court press for Malik Monk

and I’d much rather take Cody or Clingan than salaun

[NASpurs]

I'm pretty sure he was joking.

How many times a day does exstatic get told that someone was joking? Dude is as dry as his wife's Thanksgiving turkey.

[onechance87]

If we are drafting castle at pg instead of one of the Kentucky guys (sigh) i really hope we make a full court press for Malik Monk

and I’d much rather take Cody or Clingan than salaun

agreed

[Ariel]

Bro I'm tired of Wemby getting rest and the whole defense going to shit. I'm leaning towards drafting Clingan if he's there at 4. If he's not there at 4, then yeah Castle or Sheppard is fine.
You don't use a #4 pick on a backup center. EVER.

[BacktoBasics]

Makes no sense. We get to trade up one and get an extra pick for them moving back one? A hypothetical based JUST on pick numbers would be 8 and 14 for 7

I read that too. Dudes a retard. Makes no sense.

[NASpurs]

You don't use a #4 pick on a backup center. EVER.

This is true. In my scenario, he would be a backup C. Saying that, he would be better than anyone we could get from the G League or free agent market and would allow for Colins to be moved. There's such a severe lack of on depth on this team.

And he could start on selective matchups.

[TD 21]

The only reasons Castle is ranked higher than Carter are because he played for a more prestigious program, he's 3.5 inches taller and 2.6 years younger.

Castle has him by 15 pounds and 0.02 inches by wingspan, but Carter plays much bigger as evidenced by his elite "event creation" (2.8 blk% and 2.9stl % which in the NBA would tie for 30th and 1st respectively) and all-time guard rebounding (23.7 drbr % to 12 %; the former is equal to Holmes and greater than Clingan and Filipowski by .3 and 1.1% respectively).

He's also a way better 3-point shooter (37.7% on 6.6 3PA/G to 26.7% on 2/2 3PA/G).

We've seen teams constantly overrate the former's (high bust rate) archetype and underrate the latter's (high hit rate) archetype for these same reasons.

The Spurs have been beneficiaries with the likes of Hill, Murray and White. Others include Caruso, Podziemski, Nembhard, Mann, Melton, Brogdon, Brown and Quickley.

[BackHome]

If we don’t draft Sheppard or Dilly at 4 I have no problem with picking Carter at 8

[lefty20]

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[Mr. Body]

The only reasons Castle is ranked higher than Carter are because he played for a more prestigious program, he's 3.5 inches taller and 2.6 years younger.

Castle has him by 15 pounds and 0.02 inches by wingspan, but Carter plays much bigger as evidenced by his elite "event creation" (2.8 blk% and 2.9stl % which in the NBA would tie for 30th and 1st respectively) and all-time guard rebounding (23.7 drbr % to 12 %; the former is equal to Holmes and greater than Clingan and Filipowski by .3 and 1.1% respectively).

He's also a way better 3-point shooter (37.7% on 6.6 3PA/G to 26.7% on 2/2 3PA/G).

We've seen teams constantly overrate the former's (high bust rate) archetype and underrate the latter's (high hit rate) archetype for these same reasons.

The Spurs have been beneficiaries with the likes of Hill, Murray and White. Others include Caruso, Podziemski, Nembhard, Mann, Melton, Brogdon, Brown and Quickley.

He's a year older on his draft day, but Devin Carter kind of blows Jalen Williams out of the water in advanced stats.

https://tankathon.com/players/compare?players=devin-carter--jalen-williams

[Uriel]

The only reasons Castle is ranked higher than Carter are because he played for a more prestigious program, he's 3.5 inches taller and 2.6 years younger.
These don't seem like trivial reasons to me.

[duncan2150]

The only reasons Castle is ranked higher than Carter are because he played for a more prestigious program, he's 3.5 inches taller and 2.6 years younger.

Castle has him by 15 pounds and 0.02 inches by wingspan, but Carter plays much bigger as evidenced by his elite "event creation" (2.8 blk% and 2.9stl % which in the NBA would tie for 30th and 1st respectively) and all-time guard rebounding (23.7 drbr % to 12 %; the former is equal to Holmes and greater than Clingan and Filipowski by .3 and 1.1% respectively).

He's also a way better 3-point shooter (37.7% on 6.6 3PA/G to 26.7% on 2/2 3PA/G).

We've seen teams constantly overrate the former's (high bust rate) archetype and underrate the latter's (high hit rate) archetype for these same reasons.

The Spurs have been beneficiaries with the likes of Hill, Murray and White. Others include Caruso, Podziemski, Nembhard, Mann, Melton, Brogdon, Brown and Quickley.

i dont buy too much carter's shoot by seeing his % during three years in college, castle is more versatile on D imo.

[BackHome]

I would not mind Castle at 4 and Carter at 8 - That is some Doom Day Defense with those two and you add Wemby to that mix...Also, with Carter he got the burst to beat you off dribble and he has gotten so much better with his 3 ball and also handling the rock

[Degoat]

I think I’ve commented this before but, but the last time Devin Carter played UCONN this year he had 24 points 15 Reb and 4 AST. Those are some dawg numbers against that stacked UCONN team

[onechance87]

Castle and carter would be cool.Would be a immediate upgrade over branham and wesley and tre jones.

[TD 21]

These don't seem like trivial reasons to me.

When you consider them within' the context of the rest of the post, they are.

Basically, the hope is what Castle essentially becomes what Carter already is. I'm not interested in waiting a few years to find out if, by the off chance, he can become a slightly better version of a similar archetype.


i dont buy too much carter's shoot by seeing his % during three years in college, castle is more versatile on D imo.

I'm not sold either in terms of versatility (pulls ups, side steps, step backs, floaters, etc.), but he seems well on his way to at least being a good enough spot up three-point shooter for the defense to not disregard, unlike Castle.

Castle is more likely to be able to "guard up" in terms of SF's/wings, but that's not nearly enough to offset everything else.

[rankingtear]

I think it is Zacch, Knecht, Castle ( non PG demand ) are the target with the higher pick. At 8 Cody and Salaun are the upside swing if they can't trade it for a future pick.

[scott]

theres no rookie in this draft outside of Cling that is gonna move the needle much for any team right off the bat. There’s a learning curve and it takes time for rookies to get acclimated to all the games, schemes & minutes at the nba level. It’s why in my mock line up Cling & Knect come off the bench. Eventually they will start. But let’s be honest, the Spurs team started to play better together with Tre at the point after the allstar break. Spurs would have won close to 30 games in my opinion had Tre started from the get go. Cling coming off the bench would help maintain leads we lost alot of when Wemby went to the bench. I hope noone has playoff expectations next year we have the same team with 2 rookies this coming year. The Spurs aent going to trade everything for any player under 6’6, size & defense wins championships outside of the young Warriors. Two years from now playoff expectations will be legit. Just my arm chair GM opinion. Knect aint falling to 8 anyways

If Cligan and Knecth are eventually starting, it means something has gone horribly wrong with Wemby and Vassell. Hard pass, unless you’re telling me we are moving Vassell as part of another trade for a star PG or SF.

As LeBowen pointed out, Wemby and Clingan should not be playing next to each other.

[The Truth #6]

Buzelis and Carter is intriguing. I really don't love anyone at 4 but I understand the upside swing. At 8 there are players who are older but have actually shown something, like Knecht and Carter, who are both athletic in one way or another.

[cutewizard]

the Spurs need everyone

we need a playmaker
shooters,
a back up big, rebounders, etc


we need everyone!

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAyu9_Bdi5c

[RC_Drunkford]

Sources say the San Antonio Spurs are high on Devin Carter, (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10123676-2024-nba-mock-draft-full-2-round-predictions-and-pro-comparisons) who just completed workouts with the Sacramento Kings and Chicago Bulls.

2 days ago (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/2954680/) – via Bleacher Report (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10123676-2024-nba-mock-draft-full-2-round-predictions-and-pro-comparisons)

[RobinsontoDuncan]

Buzelis and Carter is intriguing. I really don't love anyone at 4 but I understand the upside swing. At 8 there are players who are older but have actually shown something, like Knecht and Carter, who are both athletic in one way or another.

I think this may very well end up being the Spurs' draft. I really dont hate it.

[lefty20]

Current 2024 Draft odds, courtesy of DraftKings


3rd Pick

Sheppard: +230

Clingan: +425

Castle: +600



4th Pick

Topic: +260

Dilly: +370

Sheppard: +400

Castle: +450


I agree with Sheppard being the odds on fav at 3. But Topic being the fav at 4 for us is interesting, considering the recent info that has come to light.

[cutewizard]

sorry guys, just posting them latest videos

[exstatic]

Current 2024 Draft odds, courtesy of DraftKings






I agree with Sheppard being the odds on fav at 3. But Topic being the fav at 4 for us is interesting, considering the recent info that has come to light.

The recent info likely doesn’t change much at all. If you liked or hated him when his wingspan was thought to be 7 ft., you would still like or hate him, and his knee injury wasn’t on the order of Shaun Livingston. I think those are much more meaningful to high flying players. He’ll either rehab it, or recover from surgery, and go right back to leaping a phone book in a single bound.

[Kurik]

I think my favorite result would be Castle and Carter, different enough that they should be able to play along side each other in multiple lineups. Both taking on the minutes from Branham/Wesley should improve the defense immensely. Target a project wing/forward in the second round and add a veteran one in FA.

[Vienna]

Carter compares very similar to Wesley from a physical standpoint. and he is an even better athlete. But you don‘t draft a player with #8 to just take the minutes and role from Wesley, don‘t you.
I don‘t trust Carter‘s shooting, shot looks so damn awkward, otherwise I can see why Spurs would like him.

[Ditty]

Luka, Ja and Amen Thompson are going to be such pain in the asses for many years to come just in our division.

Castle and Carter are my guys to have multiple perimeter defender options to try to slow them down for future playoff showdowns.

[BatManu20]

I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin'.

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[exstatic]

I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin'.

1799563840423690387

Jaylen went to college,a PAC 12 school. He was probably, you know, coached. Ron decided to fuck around in open gym for a year.

[SpursFan86]

Holland has his question marks (who in this class doesn’t?), but he’s the type of prospect who really has no business of falling out of the top 10 IMO…especially in a draft as weak as this one.

Holland or Dillingham at #8 would be best case scenario.

[DPG21920]

Holland has his question marks (who in this class doesn’t?), but he’s the type of prospect who really has no business of falling out of the top 10 IMO…especially in a draft as weak as this one.

Holland or Dillingham at #8 would be best case scenario.

Agree. I prefer Holland + Reed, but would be thrilled with Holland + Dillingham (or Castle)

[SpursFan86]

Agree. I prefer Holland + Reed, but would be thrilled with Holland + Dillingham (or Castle)

Sheppard/Holland is probably my “best case” realistic draft. If we end up getting Castle at 4 then I might lean Dillingham over Holland just because I really dislike the idea of leaving this draft without getting someone who can already shoot.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

I would be overjoyed with any combination of the following players

Combo-Forward: Buzelis / Risasccher / Holland / Salaun

Guard: Carter / Castle / Dillingham

[DPG21920]

See if you can trade 4 for 7+14.

Picks 7 and 8 hope that you can get 2 of Reed, Dilly, Castle, Holland and with pick 14 get Carter or Bub

[TD 21]

Since I doubt they want three 1sts in this draft, 4 for 7 and 14 only makes sense if a couple of different things align: 1) Their preferred option went at 3 or they think they can get whoever it is at 7 (Buzelis?) and 2) One of the three picks is being rerouted as a part of a package for Garland or whoever.

[Big Empty]

Do we have any clue who the Spurs have worked out so far?

[LeBowen]

Do we have any clue who the Spurs have worked out so far?

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-draft-workouts-tracker/

[exstatic]

Do we have any clue who the Spurs have worked out so far?

Most of the players that you hear they workout are candidates for Austin. Any high level workouts are kept under wraps to prevent teams jumping in front to grab the players.

[Mr. Body]

Historically the Spurs have asked top picks to not publicize their workouts and don't publicize them either. They will publish second round or fringe types. I feel they do this as much to help those players out.

[Rocalcio]

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French men can jump ! :lol

[Vienna]

Wizards just worked out Cody. Sure, they are just doing their homework, but I‘m pretty sure Cody is one of the most considered trade down scenarios, especially if the top pick teams are not 100% sold on Risacher.

[Mr. Body]

Wizards just worked out Cody. Sure, they are just doing their homework, but I‘m pretty sure Cody is one of the most considered trade down scenarios, especially if the top pick teams are not 100% sold on Risacher.

They can also trade up from the 26.

[baseline bum]

The recent info likely doesn’t change much at all. If you liked or hated him when his wingspan was thought to be 7 ft., you would still like or hate him, and his knee injury wasn’t on the order of Shaun Livingston. I think those are much more meaningful to high flying players. He’ll either rehab it, or recover from surgery, and go right back to leaping a phone book in a single bound.

I was willing to take a swing on him at 8 back when we thought he had a strongly positive wingspan. With a negative wingspan now I hate the idea of picking Topic anywhere in the first twenty picks.

[ginobilized]

French men can jump ! :lol

Wow! I often noticed that Risacher's dunks barely get over the rim. I thought Salaun was a raw athletic prospect?!?!

[Mr. Body]

Someone posted that The Rizz missed eleven dunks this year.

[The Truth #6]

Back to Buzelis. I listened to his interview with KOC on the Ringer. Despite his bad takes, he's not bad at interviewing.

A few takeaways:

Sounds smart, articulate, funny at times.
Says he's not enamored with social media.
Says he loves basketball and plays for the love of the game.
Says he studies the history of the game.
Has played some point guard before.
Has hit more than one game winning shots in the last year.
Mentions transitioning to the further 3 point line and readjusting.
Talks often about defense and drawing inspiration from Jaden McDaniels

Overall, says all the right things. So either he's the real deal and a perfect Spur teammate. Or he's another Primo sociopath.

I'm going with the former.

[Knoxxx]

Someone posted that The Rizz missed eleven dunks this year.

Sounds like another Champagnie.

[lefty20]

Sounds like another Champagnie.

Gotta aim higher and try to be the next Jeff Ayres

[sfernald]

Castle and carter would be cool.Would be a immediate upgrade over branham and wesley and tre jones.

I volunteer to drive Branham and Wesley to the bus stop the second this happens!

[mystargtr34]

Risacher has really small hands. Like bottom 10 out of all players measured. That’s def contributing to the missed dunks and probably the below average ball handling. Doesn’t help with finishing layups at the rim too.

Might explain some of the flaws.

[JPB]

I'm not convinced many, if any, of the guards (2-3 spot) in this draft will end up significantly more valuable than Branham or Wesley. You could just be trading water.

[onechance87]

I'm not convinced many, if any, of the guards (2-3 spot) in this draft will end up significantly more valuable than Branham or Wesley. You could just be trading water.

wesley and branham should not be in the nba.Dilly defence would be as branham,But his offence would be a upgrade.Wesley d was good but
pretty much useless on offence.Someone like castle would will have as good d and a better rebounder and be a better ballhandler who
can finish at the rim.Would be a upgrade over wesley.Hell carter would be a upgrade over wesley and branham alone.

[Extra Stout]

I'm not convinced many, if any, of the guards (2-3 spot) in this draft will end up significantly more valuable than Branham or Wesley. You could just be trading water.
While 2024 is a weak draft, I am fairly confident that there are several available players better than arguably the worst two players in the NBA.

[JPB]

While 2024 is a weak draft, I am fairly confident that there are several available players better than arguably the worst two players in the NBA.

Maybe, but that's not how they were perceived when they were drafted. which is my point. You don't have to go further than this very forum and read our comments here about Branham and Wesley when spurs picked them. Malaki was even considered as a steal... "Spurs did it again".

When you see how Carter goes from 2nd rounder to potential top 10 or even higher for some people this year, it wouldn't be outrageous to imagine Branham and/or Wesely could have gone lottery this year, maybe top 10 for Malaki, with some people advocating spurs picks him at #8.

Sure, as long as they haven't played one NBA game, we can fantasize about this year's kids and their potential. But this draft IS really weak and we shouldn't really put too much hope on it imho, with only two guys, Sarr and Risacher, whose game and potential seem to translate with at least an honorable NBA career. Let's add Clingan for good measure. There should be a couple of other guys who will have a good run, but not that many more if you ask me, and a lot of Wesleys out there.

[Mugen]

While 2024 is a weak draft, I am fairly confident that there are several available players better than arguably the worst two players in the NBA.

:lol

[kobyz]

I can see the Jazz moving up to draft Castle

[exstatic]

I can see the Jazz moving up to draft Castle

I can see the Jazz having a fire sale to suck and draft Flagg.

[NASpurs]

Just some thoughts Spurs related from the Athletic:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5546494/2024/06/10/nba-draft-2024-spurs-rockets-teams/?source=emp_shared_article


What’s your “perfect” Spurs draft? — “.”

San Antonio is in a position of strength heading into the draft, a situation you wouldn’t typically associate with a team coming off a 22-win season. Victor Wembanyama’s ascension to stardom — and more importantly, his defensive floor and ceiling — has arguably shifted the Spurs’ thinking. With two picks in the top 10, there’s a chance to grab two young players on a similar timeline to Wembanyama and, if development goes according to plan, a pair of contributors moving forward.

In Sam Vecenie’s latest mock draft, he has the Spurs selecting Stephon Castle and Nikola Topić with the No. 4 and 8 picks. The recent news of Topić’s knee scares me, in addition to his reported wingspan (6-foot-5.5 compared to his 6-6 height), but any scenario that has them getting Castle and another bigger wing is perfect to me. The Spurs historically bring high-IQ players that can contribute on both ends of the floor and while this draft class is less heralded than its predecessors, some names in here should pan out.

Imagine a world where San Antonio walks away with Castle and Matas Buzelis, two competitors who can operate with the ball in their hands, have connective traits and can defend. Castle is further along on defense than Buzelis, but the former G League forward is no slouch. I would also be thrilled as a Spurs fan if Kentucky’s Reed Sheppard was still on the board at No. 8. But for me, Castle is the bar. There’s another world where maybe the Spurs draft Castle at No. 4 and trade No. 8 and 35 for a veteran guard (Dejounte Murray?) that would qualify as a perfect draft night, for me.

Without high-level talent in the 2024 draft, should the Spurs drafting philosophy be: 1. Take safer role players in 2024 and wait for the 2025 draft; or 2. Take home run swings in 2024, knowing they always have the more talented 2025 draft to fall back on? — Anonymous


Going back to an earlier point about Wembanyama’s timeline, I don’t think the Spurs should fall into this habit of hoping to draft high for the next three years or so. That can get dicey — and there’s no inherent advantage to doing so.


The simple answer is to go at Wembanyama’s pace. If next season he shows that he’s an All-NBA player, San Antonio’s brass has to start thinking in phases like Houston’s front office divided their rebuild. Right now, the Spurs are in Phase 1. Be aggressive when it comes to drafting, take the players who have the highest upside and also can fit around Wembanyama defensively and continue to build that way. The 2025 draft is loaded with talent, but the Spurs don’t want to wait another year to start to turn things around.


So many options for the Spurs at (picks) four and eight. I know they need shooting, but I love the upside and switchability of Castle and Holland. Any way the Spurs pass on shooters altogether for defensive upside? — Lucas M.

Absolutely.

I would be terrified of the spacing with Ron Holland and Jeremy Sochan, but San Antonio needs to lean into a defensive identity, similar to their heyday. Wembanyama was just named to an All-Defense team and runner-up to DPOY as a rookie. That doesn’t happen, ever.

The Rockets are a clear example of what can happen when your defense rises from the worst to the top 10 — and they didn’t have a Wemby in the middle swatting away everything. If versatile, multi-faceted defenders are available, you take those guys and figure out the rest later. Cody Williams is another name I would have my eye on for this reason.

[LeBowen]

I can see the Jazz having a fire sale to suck and draft Flagg.

We can only hope they go in that direction.
Then be ready to get Markkanen.

But idk if their ownership wants to do it. Ainge surely does.
The only franchise that never lost 60 games.

[The Truth #6]

Just some thoughts Spurs related from the Athletic:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5546494/2024/06/10/nba-draft-2024-spurs-rockets-teams/?source=emp_shared_article

Some reasonable ideas in there. I've been leaning towards the 8 pick with Carter or Knecht, someone more ready to play, but if they could draft two non-short players with versatility, then that makes sense, too.

[MultiTroll]

D'Oh wrong thread.

Ya i think the Spurs should draft somebody.
Somebody good at basketball.

[Knoxxx]

Spurs Could 'Lean Into a Defensive Identity' in the Draft (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/spurs-could-lean-into-a-defensive-identity-in-the-draft/ar-BB1nXRFr?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=9b53716b35394d8bb9081b544ac1f5c5&ei=31)

Edit: looks like some or all version of this was posted already.

[benefactor]

I'm not convinced many, if any, of the guards (2-3 spot) in this draft will end up significantly more valuable than Branham or Wesley. You could just be trading water.
Never change, ST

[spurraider21]

I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin'.

1799563840423690387
non basketball reasons

1799848609544011778

[Mr. Body]

Spurs Could 'Lean Into a Defensive Identity' in the Draft (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/spurs-could-lean-into-a-defensive-identity-in-the-draft/ar-BB1nXRFr?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=9b53716b35394d8bb9081b544ac1f5c5&ei=31)

Edit: looks like some or all version of this was posted already.

Spurs have a chance to do what's practically impossible in today's NBA, which is throttle people defensively.

Leaning into defense and bringing up the rest may be the best or easiest way forward.

[BatManu20]

non basketball reasons

1799848609544011778

Yea I spoke on this a while back in the Draft thread when people were bringing him up. About the character concerns and what not. It looks like he took it down (prob at the advice of his agent) but he recently posted a video on his IG last month of him flashing his diamond-studded jewelry and a grill. Saw that and immediately thought he wasn't Spurs material tbh.

[spurraider21]

i was pretty high on Holland, too. yes the shot is awful, but ive also consistently said that you can get away with picking a non shooter if he is exceptional somewhere else, and i thought he fit the bill. but if he's going to sink, then that simplifies the board some. castle was my next highest rated wing... though if he's serious about the point guard only thing, bumps cody williams up

[spurraider21]

My big board right now (excluding Sarr) is

Risacher
Sheppard/Dillingham (can’t decide here)
Holland
Topic
Collier
Buzelis
Castle
Williams

if we get 2 picks, would ideally come away with one guy who can be developed as a lead guard. I’m skeptical of whether Castle qualifies as such

Sarr is a wildcard because it all depends on whether he can coexist with Wemby and i just don’t know. Leaning against it though. No to Clingan and fuck no to Edey
my new board is probably

risacher
sheppard/dillingham (im still a coward)
sarr
castle
buzelis
williams
clingan
knecht
collier
topic

[LeBowen]

i was pretty high on Holland, too. yes the shot is awful, but ive also consistently said that you can get away with picking a non shooter if he is exceptional somewhere else, and i thought he fit the bill. but if he's going to sink, then that simplifies the board some. castle was my next highest rated wing... though if he's serious about the point guard only thing, bumps cody williams up

Looking at all the reports, feels like top4 are set in stone unless Rockets trade their pick.
Sarr, Risacher, Sheppard, Castle.
I don't think anyone other than could disrupt those four picks in whatever order they get selected.

Then it gets a bit more interesting.
Pistons should go with either Buzelis (bonus points for nepotism) or Knecht if their new front office wants to move off the bottom, which would be a dumb move. Maybe Clingan.
Hornets need a defender with size, they'd love Castle if he drops, Holland fits their M.O. perfectly.
Blazers also need all the wings they can get, but I can see them going for Clingan if he drops. Otherwise it's Buzelis/Holland/Williams/Salaun.

[SpursFan86]

my new board is probably

risacher
sheppard/dillingham (im still a coward)
sarr
castle
buzelis
williams
clingan
knecht
collier
topic

So what “off the court” issues does Holland have that caused him to totally drop? I saw that guy from NoCeilings mention it on Twitter but it was pretty vague/cryptic with little actual information. Is he selfish? Bad work ethic? Legitimately curious because I haven’t actually seen any real reasons.

Posting a video with jewelry and a grill doesn’t count as an “off the court issue” IMO :lol

[spurraider21]

So what “off the court” issues does Holland have that caused him to totally drop? I saw that guy from NoCeilings mention it on Twitter but it was pretty vague/cryptic with little actual information. Is he selfish? Bad work ethic? Legitimately curious because I haven’t actually seen any real reasons.

Posting a video with jewelry and a grill doesn’t count as an “off the court issue” IMO :lol
i have no idea tbh, but if its true that he's falling to that point, doesnt make sense to include him in rankings when we only have top 8 picks. in a vacuum i would still have put him one slot above castle though i know im in the minority there

[SpursFan86]

i have no idea tbh, but if its true that he's falling to that point, doesnt make sense to include him in rankings when we only have top 8 picks. in a vacuum i would still have put him one slot above castle though i know im in the minority there

I just don’t know if I fully buy the chatter that he’s falling out of the lottery. Hard to believe reports this time of year because you never about ulterior motives. If Holland really does fall out of the top 10 I think it’s a pretty shocking development given how this class looks…unless there are some seriously terrible off-court issues (which again, to this point haven’t actually seen any tangible reporting on it).

He’s still firmly in play at 8 to me. If we get Sheppard at 4 then Holland is probably my #1 guy who projects to be available at 8. If we get Risacher or Castle at 4, then I probably give the edge to Dillingham.

[Obstructed_View]

The Spurs brought in Gary Neal. They've nary room.

[Mugen]

Didn't GG Jackson fall because he was vaping during workouts? :lol

This sounds like teams in the 10-20 range leaking some stuff to try and get Holland to fall tbh

[timtonymanu]

The Spurs brought in Gary Neal. They've nary room.

And primo who was “mature for his age” yet flashes women in private. Pun intended.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Eric Pincus predicts based on his intel the top 4 go Sarr, Clingan, Reed, Risarcher to SA. Devin Carter at 8. Missi at 35 and Adjinca at 48. I could go for that!

[Uriel]

I’m mystified as to why Buzelis hasn’t received more attention on this message board. He fits the same archetype as Risacher (who has gotten a lot more attention) as a jumbo, do-it-all combo forward.

Granted, he’s not as good a shooter (or basketball player, quite frankly) as Risacher at this stage. But he’s more athletic and shown flashes of playmaking ability (something Risacher currently lacks), giving him more theoretical upside.

[Degoat]

Eric Pincus predicts based on his intel the top 4 go Sarr, Clingan, Reed, Risarcher to SA. Devin Carter at 8. Missi at 35 and Adjinca at 48. I could go for that!

I could see that as well, idk about Clingan at 2 but WAS is a wildcard. If we come away with Risacher and Carter that might be one of the best case scenarios

[Pauleta14]

I’m mystified as to why Buzelis hasn’t received more attention on this message board. He fits the same archetype as Risacher (who has gotten a lot more attention) as a jumbo, do-it-all combo forward.

Granted, he’s not as good a shooter (or basketball player, quite frankly) as Risacher at this stage. But he’s more athletic and shown flashes of playmaking ability (something Risacher currently lacks), giving him more theoretical upside.

Other than his 3pt shooting (a big deal), apparently he doesn't have a great motor and hasn't shown a lot of enthousiam/fighting spirit during is Ignite season.

Not sure what to think of him tbh but he seems a bit too "chill", maybe it's over confidence, in his interviews and body language

[spurraider21]

I’m mystified as to why Buzelis hasn’t received more attention on this message board. He fits the same archetype as Risacher (who has gotten a lot more attention) as a jumbo, do-it-all combo forward.

Granted, he’s not as good a shooter (or basketball player, quite frankly) as Risacher at this stage. But he’s more athletic and shown flashes of playmaking ability (something Risacher currently lacks), giving him more theoretical upside.
hes closer to sochan than risacher

risacher isn't a "do-it-all forward"

[scott]

Filipowski is sliding into the early second in some mocks. Would be someone I'd love for us to try to trade up for if he is slipping past 25. You might be able to get him at 35, even.

[Ariel]

Filipowski is sliding into the early second in some mocks. Would be someone I'd love for us to try to trade up for if he is slipping past 25. You might be able to get him at 35, even.
Not a Filipowski fan, but his skill set is for sure worth a pick in the mid 20s. Definitely worth trading up for if he slips that far... but I don't think that will be the case.

[objective]

I’m mystified as to why Buzelis hasn’t received more attention on this message board. He fits the same archetype as Risacher (who has gotten a lot more attention) as a jumbo, do-it-all combo forward.

Granted, he’s not as good a shooter (or basketball player, quite frankly) as Risacher at this stage. But he’s more athletic and shown flashes of playmaking ability (something Risacher currently lacks), giving him more theoretical upside.

Risacher is more of a shooting specialist who can stay in front of wings while Buzelis is a bricklaying hustle player who is good at helping rim protection

It's like comparing Cam Johnson to Luka Samanic.

[CGD]

I’m mystified as to why Buzelis hasn’t received more attention on this message board. He fits the same archetype as Risacher (who has gotten a lot more attention) as a jumbo, do-it-all combo forward.

Granted, he’s not as good a shooter (or basketball player, quite frankly) as Risacher at this stage. But he’s more athletic and shown flashes of playmaking ability (something Risacher currently lacks), giving him more theoretical upside.

Agreed, not even a TMVP thread on him yet

[CGD]

Eric Pincus predicts based on his intel the top 4 go Sarr, Clingan, Reed, Risarcher to SA. Devin Carter at 8. Missi at 35 and Adjinca at 48. I could go for that!

I dunno. I only see that if Clingon goes #1 (apparently coach Snider likes him a lot), and Sarr falls to WAS. Otherwise I think WAS takes ZR at 2.

[Eaglenole2002]

Listened to Simmons/Rusillo today and Rusillo said that talking around the league and GMs don’t think the Sarr and Risacher are the slam dunk top 2 picks.

KOC said it was time to admit this draft is a good one. He said he talked to four GMs and all of them really like this draft. He basically said they thought 8 different players could go top 5.

[scott]

Not a Filipowski fan, but his skill set is for sure worth a pick in the mid 20s. Definitely worth trading up for if he slips that far... but I don't think that will be the case.

Yeah, not someone I want to build the franchise around - but I think he would be an immediate contributor as a backup big.

[Eaglenole2002]

If we’re going off the premise that the Spurs want size and switch-ability on defense like the Celtics. It seems like we have a few combos at 4/8 in some combination of: Castle, Risacher, Buzelis, Williams, Holland, Salaun, Carter (I think he plays big enough to even guard SFs on switches). Does Carrington count? He’s not a strong defender yet but improved as the season went on. He can certainly guard both guard spots. Not sure about SFs.

That would seem to eliminate Dilly, Sheppard, Clingan. Can Sarr defend PF, C or not embarrass himself if he gets caught on a switch on the perimeter? McCain probably is too small to be a switchable defender.

Am I missing anyone?

[CGD]

Listened to Simmons/Rusillo today and Rusillo said that talking around the league and GMs don’t think the Sarr and Risacher are the slam dunk top 2 picks.

KOC said it was time to admit this draft is a good one. He said he talked to four GMs and all of them really like this draft. He basically said they thought 8 different players could go top 5.

Yeah, I think Clingan will be heard from. Coach Snyder is said to like him in ATL, and I think WAS could really use a defensive anchor to reboot its identity. No idea what Houston is thinking, but a bad ZR workout here or there and he could be there at 4.

And, if he is, I’m immediately calling CHA to see what they need to swap 6 for 8, so we can grab Castle.

[R. DeMurre]

I can see the Jazz having a fire sale to suck and draft Flagg.

I see some folks advocating for the Hawks to do the same-- to trade Trae and Dejounte for future picks and expiring contracts, meaning whoever their pick at #1 is this year, it wouldn't be enough to keep them from being bad enough to have another shot at #1 next year.

[Ariel]

Eric Pincus predicts based on his intel the top 4 go Sarr, Clingan, Reed, Risarcher to SA. Devin Carter at 8. Missi at 35 and Adjinca at 48. I could go for that!
I´d be SHOCKED if Washington takes Clingan, their choices scream upside (positional size, athleticism, all around players) and it wouldn't surprise me if Castle is in fact #2 or #3 on their big board over Clingan. Likewise, Houston has gone for upside over fit pretty much every time (Jalen Green, Sengun, Tari Eason, Amen Thompson, Cam Whitmore), so I wouldn't be so sure Sheppard is their cup of tea, unless Ime really forces their hand.

[Uriel]

I’ve watched Filipowski play multiple times. I like him a lot and think he’s a good player, but I don’t see much separation between him and Zach Collins. The former is slightly taller and more mobile while the latter is slightly more physical, but they’re essentially very similar players.

That said, backup PF is a sneaky need for this team right now.

[TD 21]

Filipowski isn't a PF. Despite the t-rex arms, like Olynk and Collins, he's a C, but one who'll need supplemental rim protection/defensive rebounding alongside (and floor spacing too, if his 3 tops out as more like the latter than the former) since he can't do the job of one.

I can't believe people still think Risacher gets to 4. Even in the event he's not the preferred option for the Wizards, given his universal fit and both the need and dearth of such players, surely one of the next few would be willing to trade up.

[objective]

Filipowski isn't a PF. Despite the t-rex arms, like Olynk and Collins, he's a C, but one who'll need supplemental rim protection/defensive rebounding alongside (and floor spacing too, if his 3 tops out as more like the latter than the former) since he can't do the job of one.

I can't believe people still think Risacher gets to 4. Even in the event he's not the preferred option for the Wizards, given his universal fit and both the need and dearth of such players, surely one of the next few would be willing to trade up.

I wouldn't be surprised if he falls to 4. Not betting on it, but the tier of top players is so big and flat with room for people having their preferences that mocks can't pick up on. Just like Anthony Bennett going 1, teams have their own rankings that they don't share

Even the mocks and media analysts seem to agree that Risacher has a limited ceiling and will never be a "star". That's the kind of player who is primed to slide, because teams usually try to trade into the top 3 to get a star and not a solid #4 or #5 starter

[baseline bum]

Listened to Simmons/Rusillo today and Rusillo said that talking around the league and GMs don’t think the Sarr and Risacher are the slam dunk top 2 picks.

KOC said it was time to admit this draft is a good one. He said he talked to four GMs and all of them really like this draft. He basically said they thought 8 different players could go top 5.

Those four GMs really aren't unbiased sources though. I could imagine Houston's GM would love to hype the hell out of this draft to get someone to trade up for #3 so they don't have to take Sheppard with such a high pick.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, I think Clingan will be heard from. Coach Snyder is said to like him in ATL, and I think WAS could really use a defensive anchor to reboot its identity. No idea what Houston is thinking, but a bad ZR workout here or there and he could be there at 4.

And, if he is, I’m immediately calling CHA to see what they need to swap 6 for 8, so we can grab Castle.

Though I could see someone trading up to #5 for Castle in that scenario. No way the Pistons are wed to that pick.

[NASpurs]

Listened to Simmons/Rusillo today and Rusillo said that talking around the league and GMs don’t think the Sarr and Risacher are the slam dunk top 2 picks.

KOC said it was time to admit this draft is a good one. He said he talked to four GMs and all of them really like this draft. He basically said they thought 8 different players could go top 5.

He also said guys like Reed that are 6'1" get routinely hunted in the playoffs.

No midgets on this team please.

[RC_Drunkford]

I’m mystified as to why Buzelis hasn’t received more attention on this message board. He fits the same archetype as Risacher (who has gotten a lot more attention) as a jumbo, do-it-all combo forward.

Granted, he’s not as good a shooter (or basketball player, quite frankly) as Risacher at this stage. But he’s more athletic and shown flashes of playmaking ability (something Risacher currently lacks), giving him more theoretical upside.

Because he's not good at anything. He shows flashes in every area and is not elite at any of them. Which means he could put it together or he could just be a bust like Samanic. With Risacher you know that you'll get defense and shooting which are the 2 most valuable skills in the league.

[RC_Drunkford]

I see some folks advocating for the Hawks to do the same-- to trade Trae and Dejounte for future picks and expiring contracts, meaning whoever their pick at #1 is this year, it wouldn't be enough to keep them from being bad enough to have another shot at #1 next year.

Bill Simmons said that word is the Hawks might trade Trae and DJ. That would be great for us.

[JPB]

Never change, ST

Sure, then don't go read the Branham and Wesley thread from last year...

Then give ST your expertise on what players do you believe in this historically weak draft will be end up as significantly better than Branham or Wesley so we can have a good laugh in a few months.

Only reading the expectations on many guards form the last two much deeper drafts compared to how they've done is entertaining.

[LeBowen]

Bill Simmons said that word is the Hawks might trade Trae and DJ. That would be great for us.

Bill Simmons says a lot of things. Most of which are nonsense when it comes to player moves.
He projects his preferred scenarios and starts talking as if he's a credible source.

There's absolutely no way Hawks trade both if they can't get their picks back.
But Spurs don't want to give them their picks back. Meaning Hawks can't tank and it's an infinite circle of why it's not going to happen.

[JPB]

Listened to Simmons/Rusillo today and Rusillo said that talking around the league and GMs don’t think the Sarr and Risacher are the slam dunk top 2 picks.

KOC said it was time to admit this draft is a good one. He said he talked to four GMs and all of them really like this draft. He basically said they thought 8 different players could go top 5.

Every year is the same, the closer the draft, the more overhyped it becomes and the more fantasies about its prospects people start to get attached to. And GMs are no different.

Then the kids start to play... How exactly this draft would go from "the weakest in history" for most GMs to a good one, without the kids playing one NBA game? The fact there's still so much uncertainty in the top 5 and top 10 is actually a sign of weakness that've been brought for months but suddenly would become a a sign of depth... You don't see so much uncertainty in strong drafts.

There's a big lack of superstar or even star potential in this draft.

[CGD]

I´d be SHOCKED if Washington takes Clingan, their choices scream upside (positional size, athleticism, all around players) and it wouldn't surprise me if Castle is in fact #2 or #3 on their big board over Clingan. Likewise, Houston has gone for upside over fit pretty much every time (Jalen Green, Sengun, Tari Eason, Amen Thompson, Cam Whitmore), so I wouldn't be so sure Sheppard is their cup of tea, unless Ime really forces their hand.

You shouldn’t be SHOCKED if DC takes Clingan. They need everything, not least of which a defensive identity and anchor. They are also under new management and everyone except Bilal is disposable. I’d make zero assumption about past projecting their future.

[Vienna]

Every year is the same, the closer the draft, the more overhyped it becomes and the more fantasies about its prospects people start to get attached to. And GMs are no different.

Then the kids start to play... How exactly this draft would go from "the weakest in history" for most GMs to a good one, without the kids playing one NBA game? The fact there's still so much uncertainty in the top 5 and top 10 is actually a sign of weakness that've been brought for months but suddenly would become a a sign of depth... You don't see so much uncertainty in strong drafts.

There's a big lack of superstar or even star potential in this draft.

no GM would intentionally hurt the value of his assets and picks in an upcoming draft are major assets.
we might see even more trade activities in this draft than usual, because some GM don't like what they could get.
but none of them will go out and claim he looks for a trade because the draft is crap. they will claim they like the options, but but but (insert whatever reason....)

talking about possible trades.......I'm pretty sure the rumored trade of Bridges to the Rocktes finally happens.
Rocktes will sweeten the package around sending back their pick 3 with what it will take to get the deal done. more picks? they will add it. Nets are desperate for picks.
and then the question will be, what the Nets do at 3.

[couchman]

We’ve seen this from the Spurs big board #2 where it was indicated the Spurs like the draft better than expected.
That could be true, or it could be the Spurs trying to pump the value of those picks before a trade.

[LeBowen]

Two weeks left until the draft, Spurs will draft two of these players barring some ridiculous swings noone sees coming.
And barring one of the picks being traded away. Maybe even there's a trade up or down. The only thing I can't see happening is both picks being traded away.
Tbh, I have no idea how it plays out.

Guards:
Sheppard - elite spot up shooter, great IQ on both ends, questionable size and defense because of it, self-creation and playmaking.
Dillingham - superstar offensive engine potential, horrible defense and high bust potential due to his lack of size.
Castle - elite defense and solid all-round game with highly questionable shooting. Value drops severely if he can't develop into a point guard.
Topic - elite playmaking, anywhere between questionable and awful in every other aspect, torn ACL.
Carter - elite defense and rebounding for his size, solid driving game, massive shooting improvements, questionable playmaking. Being older lowers his stock.
McCain - great shooter, good defender for his size, questionable playmaking and lack of speed smaller guards need.

Forwards:
Risacher - great shooting and defense, no self-creation whatsoever.
Buzelis - theoretical player that's hardest to evaluate. Could become an all-round star, but has equal chances of being out of the league in a couple of years.
Holland - very good defender and athlete, can't play basketball and is useless in half-court. Character issues.
Salaun - great frame, has both shooting and defensive potential, but doesn't know how to play basketball as of now.
Williams - probably the best all-round game out of all these forwards, question marks if he can take any of those aspects to the next level. Really underweight.
Knecht - amazing shooter, lacks self-creation, bad defender. Older.

#4 selection is somewhat straightforward.
Risacher would probably be the pick if he's available.
If not, Sheppard or Castle.
Drafting anyone else with #4 seems like a reach as of now.

#8 is where anything could happen.
Those three I mentioned alongside Sarr and maybe Clingan we're not interested in should be top4 picks.
As for the other listed players, any order can happen.
Carter and Knecht would be the only two ready to contribute right away, but with lower ceiling.
Everyone else would be an uncertainty for various reasons.

I just hope PATFO gets this draft right after 2021 and 2022 failures. Regardless of who gets picked.
I'd be fine with any of the three mentioned players at #4.
As for #8, I don't like Ignite duo and Topic. I also don't think drafting Knecht with one useful skill is a good use of a top10 pick.
Just take a swing with Dillingham, Williams or Salaun.

[Eaglenole2002]

Two weeks left until the draft, Spurs will draft two of these players barring some ridiculous swings noone sees coming.
And barring one of the picks being traded away. Maybe even there's a trade up or down. The only thing I can't see happening is both picks being traded away.
Tbh, I have no idea how it plays out.

Guards:
Sheppard - elite spot up shooter, great IQ on both ends, questionable size and defense because of it, self-creation and playmaking.
Dillingham - superstar offensive engine potential, horrible defense and high bust potential due to his lack of size.
Castle - elite defense and solid all-round game with highly questionable shooting. Value drops severely if he can't develop into a point guard.
Topic - elite playmaking, anywhere between questionable and awful in every other aspect, torn ACL.
Carter - elite defense and rebounding for his size, solid driving game, massive shooting improvements, questionable playmaking. Being older lowers his stock.
McCain - great shooter, good defender for his size, questionable playmaking and lack of speed smaller guards need.

Forwards:
Risacher - great shooting and defense, no self-creation whatsoever.
Buzelis - theoretical player that's hardest to evaluate. Could become an all-round star, but has equal chances of being out of the league in a couple of years.
Holland - very good defender and athlete, can't play basketball and is useless in half-court. Character issues.
Salaun - great frame, has both shooting and defensive potential, but doesn't know how to play basketball as of now.
Williams - probably the best all-round game out of all these forwards, question marks if he can take any of those aspects to the next level. Really underweight.
Knecht - amazing shooter, lacks self-creation, bad defender. Older.

#4 selection is somewhat straightforward.
Risacher would probably be the pick if he's available.
If not, Sheppard or Castle.
Drafting anyone else with #4 seems like a reach as of now.

#8 is where anything could happen.
Those three I mentioned alongside Sarr and maybe Clingan we're not interested in should be top4 picks.
As for the other listed players, any order can happen.
Carter and Knecht would be the only two ready to contribute right away, but with lower ceiling.
Everyone else would be an uncertainty for various reasons.

I just hope PATFO gets this draft right after 2021 and 2022 failures. Regardless of who gets picked.
I'd be fine with any of the three mentioned players at #4.
As for #8, I don't like Ignite duo and Topic. I also don't think drafting Knecht with one useful skill is a good use of a top10 pick.
Just take a swing with Dillingham, Williams or Salaun.
I would add Bub Carrington to the list. I don’t think he’d be a Primo-like wild swing, but 8 would seem a smidge high. He seems to be the type of guy we like. He is young. He has good PG size and can handle the ball. I like that he can make difficult shots, create for others. His defense supposedly improved a great deal over the second half of the season.

[Mr. Body]

Every year is the same, the closer the draft, the more overhyped it becomes and the more fantasies about its prospects people start to get attached to. And GMs are no different.

Then the kids start to play... How exactly this draft would go from "the weakest in history" for most GMs to a good one, without the kids playing one NBA game? The fact there's still so much uncertainty in the top 5 and top 10 is actually a sign of weakness that've been brought for months but suddenly would become a a sign of depth... You don't see so much uncertainty in strong drafts.

There's a big lack of superstar or even star potential in this draft.

Much of a draft's narrative is created early in the season before the draft. Last year's was set early not just because of Wembanyama, but because everyone was swearing Scoot Henderson was a "generational talent who would go number one in any other draft." And drooling over the Thompson twins' athletic profiles. Brandon Miller had a great NCAA season. In retrospect, Scoot might have been a wee bit overrated and the twins aren't even at a "Is shooting .267 for threes bad?" level. Turns out the draft as a whole was more questionable than portrayed.

Next year is a 'generational' draft headlined by a guy who hasn't played a minute of non-high school basketball and who can't shoot. Supposedly he's a generational, can't-miss prospect.

This year, a lot of the supposed top picks cratered early, giving the draft a bad reputation. I agree that it lacks those top, supposed star quality players, but then it's closer to the 2021 draft (Suggs, Mobley, Jalen Green, Barnes wins ROY) which might have been a bit overrated.

That draft, 2021, had Darius Garland, btw, who every two minutes people talk about sending a big package for him or Trae Young and they're both the size of Rob Dillingham (no, a few pounds doesn't matter). Like, people are obsessed with getting them. Judging the only way we can, with their freshman years, Dillingham is a far, far better shooter than Trae and a more decisive playmaker. He's shiftier and quicker than Garland. Garland only played six games in his NCAA career (injury problems, like always), against cupcakes. Hard to judge by those, but Dillingham still beats him.

Good players, in short (ha ha), are right in front of us. Maybe the draft doesn't have the bangers in some drafts. Maybe some drafts don't have the bangers they are built up to have. No one can take every player from a draft, anyway. Let's go in and get a couple good players and ignore overall reputation.

[TD 21]

I wouldn't be surprised if he falls to 4. Not betting on it, but the tier of top players is so big and flat with room for people having their preferences that mocks can't pick up on. Just like Anthony Bennett going 1, teams have their own rankings that they don't share

Even the mocks and media analysts seem to agree that Risacher has a limited ceiling and will never be a "star". That's the kind of player who is primed to slide, because teams usually try to trade into the top 3 to get a star and not a solid #4 or #5 starter

The mocks and media analysts seem to agree that while it's likely someone(s) will eventually unexpectedly emerge, right now it's seems unlikely any will be stars.

Virtually every team is looking for wings/forwards like Risacher.

If he gets to 2 and isn't the Wizards preference (understandable given where they're at), why wouldn't the Rockets or Spurs have interest in trading up? There's no natural selection for either (you could argue Sheppard, but only one will get him anyway).

[JPB]

ATL or WAS haven't probably really made their mind before Risacher's workouts and itvs. Things should get clearer by the end of the week. Not that we'll really know by then. Lots of smoke sreens and pundits trying to play the insiders rehashing or throwing stuff around.

[JPB]

Eric Pincus predicts based on his intel the top 4 go Sarr, Clingan, Reed, Risarcher to SA. Devin Carter at 8. Missi at 35 and Adjinca at 48. I could go for that!

Yeah, this guy sure knows by now who the top 4 team are gonna pick, thanks to his "intel"... Those teams might not even be sure themselves, with some workouts yet to be done.

[TekXX]

I can't wait to see what potential ok role players we draft.

[Vienna]

I would add Bub Carrington to the list. I don’t think he’d be a Primo-like wild swing, but 8 would seem a smidge high. He seems to be the type of guy we like. He is young. He has good PG size and can handle the ball. I like that he can make difficult shots, create for others. His defense supposedly improved a great deal over the second half of the season.

I absolutely don't understand why Carrington is in the high 20s in most mocks. I'm not sure if he should be considered in the lottery, but he definitely should be in the teens. some days ago I pointed to the development of his shooting at the end of the season. over the last 10 games he shot 40% on a good volume (25-62). if teams think this showed his true shooting ability, he will be picked far higher than the mocks rank him.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Yeah, this guy sure knows by now who the top 4 team are gonna pick, thanks to his "intel"... Those teams might not even be sure themselves, with some workouts yet to be done.

I never said it was a given. His intel with the Lakers is much more likely to be on point, but he has some access league-wide. If you have seen his stuff over the years you know he is not your average blow hard.

[4lifecowboy]

My hope for the draft #4) A. Risacher or B. Buzelis #8 A. Castle or B. Carter. Would be ecstatic if we ended up with Risacher and Castle, but any of those scenarios where we get one of those wings with the 4th and the guard with the 8th I would be happy with.

[K...]

if atlanta wants clingan it makes a trade for number 1 more likely if clingan lasts to 4. also makes the spurs able to trade out easier.

[Mr. Body]

I doubt Atlanta takes the PR hit of trading out of the 1. Fans don't like that shit. They'll just take who they want to take.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/tom_orsborn/status/1800558498998284511

[Mr. Body]

Hope we can get Boogie Ellis and Wooga Poplar.

[FireMicoHalili]

Bill Simmons says a lot of things. Most of which are nonsense when it comes to player moves.
He projects his preferred scenarios and starts talking as if he's a credible source.

There's absolutely no way Hawks trade both if they can't get their picks back.
But Spurs don't want to give them their picks back. Meaning Hawks can't tank and it's an infinite circle of why it's not going to happen.
Most sports media do this, float their trade ideas and pass them off as rumors. It’s a dumb take since they mortgaged their future to get Dejounte. If they blow it up they’re gifting top picks to San Antonio.

[Ariel]

The mocks and media analysts seem to agree that while it's likely someone(s) will eventually unexpectedly emerge, right now it's seems unlikely any will be stars.

Virtually every team is looking for wings/forwards like Risacher.

If he gets to 2 and isn't the Wizards preference (understandable given where they're at), why wouldn't the Rockets or Spurs have interest in trading up? There's no natural selection for either (you could argue Sheppard, but only one will get him anyway).
Even if he doesn't become a star, if he hits on his archetype Risacher will have a lot of value. Think of Trey Murphy, Herb Jones, Cam Johnson, Mikal Bridges, those guys are not only productive, but also widely valued across the league, so even if he never develops the ability to create off the dribble, he'll be a coveted asset that headlines the package for a true superstar.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1800701272347254991

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1800700836533969223

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1800700717159866510

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1800700320944918719

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1800700092401193346

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1800699914495656088

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1800699791157998045

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1800699630126354882

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1800699487259897902

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1800699287220687009

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1800699143695880403

[CGD]

I found this discussion about how the Pistons might be approaching this offseason very interesting. Sharing:

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2024/06/11/detroit-pistons-podcast-predicting-offseason-nba-draft-free-agency/74062080007/

Some notes:

- fans love Reed there and see him as perfect fit next to Cade
- new GM is not a fan of Ignite guys, which throws some cold water on link to Buz
- asset accumulation should be name of game and trading down may be smart
- renting capspace possibility for assets, and they foresee consolidation trades of current guys around the corner
- Clinton would be at play at 5; apparently fans are super low on Duren

Implications for us?
- would they trade up to 4 to get Reed?
- would they trade back to 8 at right price?
- are any of their young pieces available?
- Buz could be there at 8

[Mr. Body]

Detroit should definitely rent out cap space. A player like Levine is a massive albatross for Chicago. They could use a guy who can just run around and score, plus can get assets to take him.

And trading down in the draft seems wise. I'd ring the bell for any diners wanting Clingan and take the best package. I hadn't thought of them as a team to jump to in order to get a Castle if, say, the 4 is Risacher.

Yes, Pistons fans really aren't big Duren fans. Apparently his defense is totally awful.

[vy65]

I found this discussion about how the Pistons might be approaching this offseason very interesting. Sharing:

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2024/06/11/detroit-pistons-podcast-predicting-offseason-nba-draft-free-agency/74062080007/

Some notes:

- fans love Reed there and see him as perfect fit next to Cade
- new GM is not a fan of Ignite guys, which throws some cold water on link to Buz
- asset accumulation should be name of game and trading down may be smart
- renting capspace possibility for assets, and they foresee consolidation trades of current guys around the corner
- Clinton would be at play at 5; apparently fans are super low on Duren

Implications for us?
- would they trade up to 4 to get Reed?
- would they trade back to 8 at right price?
- are any of their young pieces available?
- Buz could be there at 8

Vecenie did a podcast today where we traded with DET for 5. Trade was 8 and the better of SAS and ATL’s 2027 picks (top-7 protected) for 5. He had Rissacher falling to us at 4. We then took Castle at 5.

I don’t love Castle, so I think the proposed trade is an overpay (I’d do lottery protected, maybe). But he does his pod with a dude from Detroit, so that’s a somewhat interesting coincidence.

[Ariel]

Vecenie did a podcast today where we traded with DET for 5. Trade was 8 and the better of SAS and ATL’s 2027 picks (top-7 protected) for 5. He had Rissacher falling to us at 4. We then took Castle at 5.

I don’t love Castle, so I think the proposed trade is an overpay (I’d do lottery protected, maybe). But he does his pod with a dude from Detroit, so that’s a somewhat interesting coincidence.
Possibly one of the only scenarios where I'd consider moving up from 8, but certainly not at that price.

[baseline bum]

Man these are some ugly ass draft day caps. NBA definitely went with one of their lower tier designs for a lower tier draft.

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1800707038030209025/YFQ4f_Es?format=jpg&name=medium

[DAF86]

They said "that's all you deserve".

[Mr. Body]

Man these are some ugly ass draft day caps. NBA definitely went with one of their lower tier designs for a lower tier draft.

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1800707038030209025/YFQ4f_Es?format=jpg&name=medium

"Do you want to keep these?"

"No, that's okay."

[scott]

“The kids in third world countries didn’t even want these… fuck it, let’s use ‘em for the 2024 NBA Draft presented by State Farm”

[T Park]

Though I could see someone trading up to #5 for Castle in that scenario. No way the Pistons are wed to that pick.

Vecnie on his pod today pretty much sums up my thoughts on the Pistons "With Langdon, we have no idea what they're doing" which is true, we really haven't heard what his vision, or his thoughts on the team etc.

at least to be fair I haven't seen that.

[T Park]

Bill Simmons says a lot of things. Most of which are nonsense when it comes to player moves.
He projects his preferred scenarios and starts talking as if he's a credible source.

There's absolutely no way Hawks trade both if they can't get their picks back.
But Spurs don't want to give them their picks back. Meaning Hawks can't tank and it's an infinite circle of why it's not going to happen.

nah Simmons is connected, hes predicted a lot of stuff thats come true.

if he references "what im hearing" its never something he makes up.

You may not like Simmons, which whatever, but hes got solid sources, as does Russillo

[T Park]

I never said it was a given. His intel with the Lakers is much more likely to be on point, but he has some access league-wide. If you have seen his stuff over the years you know he is not your average blow hard.

yeah id be shocked if Risacher falls to 4, however I can 100% see the Wizards taking Clingan. they've been pretty much signaling they want center BADLY for a long time.

To the point where there was legit ideas if the Spurs won the lottery, of flipping that to them for Avdija

[Mr. Body]

Vecenie in his latest mock does this:

Sarr
Clingan
Reed

And then with his guest they wind up hashing out a trade with Detroit, moving up from 8. They wind up trading the best of the ATL/SAS picks on 2027 protected 1-7. Not sure what capital it would require but okay.

Risacher
Castle

So they have Risacher slipping past Washington, which makes tons of sense to me. And they have the Spurs aggressive to get Castle by moving up from 8.

[benefactor]

If castle and Reed somehow end up on the Spurs this draft is a huge success

[Uriel]

It just occurred to me that the Hawks could be floating the rumors of them being interested in Clingan to drive up the price of potential trades.

[Uriel]

It amazes me how much variance there is in the opinions on some of these prospects.

Some say Castle has no star potential. Others say he has superstar potential. Some say Risacher is destined to be a career role player. Others say he's one of only two players in this draft with likely star potential. Some say Salaun has the highest upside in this draft. Others say he's a guaranteed bust. Etc.

And all these proclamations are made so confidently, with such remarkable self-assurance, as if the person writing them could determine the entire career trajectory of these players just because they happened to read a few articles and watch a YouTube video about them.

[scott]

It amazes me how much variance there is in the opinions on some of these prospects.

Some say Castle has no star potential. Others say he has superstar potential. Some say Risacher is destined to be a career role player. Others say he's one of only two players in this draft with likely star potential. Some say Salaun has the highest upside in this draft. Others say he's a guaranteed bust. Etc.

And all these proclamations are made so confidently, with such remarkable self-assurance, as if the person writing them could determine the entire career trajectory of these players just because they happened to read a few articles and watch a YouTube video about them.

I think this is what makes this draft a lot of fun! It would be a lot more fun if getting it right weren't so critical for us :lol

[Vienna]

it's an interesting scenario, that the Spurs might try to somehow snag Risacher and Castle.
when talking about building an identity, that is based on defense, this would of course be a huge step.
there might be the question, why invest in an allegedly weak draft, but there could be the answer, that just because teams are not confident in this draft, the price to move up might be lower than usual.
anyway, without speculating about the price for those moves, the idea of a line up with Castle, Vassell, Risacher, Sochan, Wemby is very very intriguing regarding the defensive potential.

[heyheymymy]

Vecenie did a podcast today where we traded with DET for 5. Trade was 8 and the better of SAS and ATL’s 2027 picks (top-7 protected) for 5. He had Rissacher falling to us at 4. We then took Castle at 5.

I don’t love Castle, so I think the proposed trade is an overpay (I’d do lottery protected, maybe). But he does his pod with a dude from Detroit, so that’s a somewhat interesting coincidence.

BWright was a DET guy after all. I support this trade and would be thrilled but Risacher and Castle are my #1 and #2 personally so I'm biased. Fans talk about consolidating in picks and this would be a good return on bundling in some future assets. ATL has the #1 so either that player or the equivalent value will possibly have crystallized by 2027, def want to keep the ATLs but if SA does peel off some of the ATL pick horde it would make sense to start from the furthest back and move in more recent from there. 2027, lot of time and variables to occur between now and then.

Would prob take 1-3 2RPs as well.

[JPB]

I never said it was a given. His intel with the Lakers is much more likely to be on point, but he has some access league-wide. If you have seen his stuff over the years you know he is not your average blow hard.

That wasn't shot at you. but whatever "intel" they might have, none of theses media guys could say who the top 4 teams are gonna draft now. Again, teams might not even know themselves and they wouldn't anyway let media guys know it. Lots of smoke screens and misdirection too.

The only guy (but he stopped doing this) was Woj announcing the pick a few seconds before (when teams are not risking anything giving them to him anymore). Anything else is pretty much irrelevant.

[Mr. Body]

it's an interesting scenario, that the Spurs might try to somehow snag Risacher and Castle.
when talking about building an identity, that is based on defense, this would of course be a huge step.
there might be the question, why invest in an allegedly weak draft, but there could be the answer, that just because teams are not confident in this draft, the price to move up might be lower than usual.
anyway, without speculating about the price for those moves, the idea of a line up with Castle, Vassell, Risacher, Sochan, Wemby is very very intriguing regarding the defensive potential.

They wouldn't be investing in a weak draft, they'd be getting the players they want, really.

I'm avaricious enough that I don't like giving up first round picks, but this in theory is the sort of move you'd want to make.

[CGD]

Vecenie in his latest mock does this:

Sarr
Clingan
Reed

And then with his guest they wind up hashing out a trade with Detroit, moving up from 8. They wind up trading the best of the ATL/SAS picks on 2027 protected 1-7. Not sure what capital it would require but okay.

Risacher
Castle

So they have Risacher slipping past Washington, which makes tons of sense to me. And they have the Spurs aggressive to get Castle by moving up from 8.

Somehow walking away with those two would be my ideal outcome. I also think SA will make a play for Garland, which is the only reason I’m interested in ZR.

[SpursFan86]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/page/NBADraft24-40306325/nba-draft-2024-debating-need-value-30-round-1-picks

Latest mock from ESPN has Givony/Woo each doing a mock: the former going off of team need and the latter going off of value/BPA.

Interestingly enough they both end up with Sheppard to the Spurs at 4. Givony goes with Knecht at 8 while Woo has Devin Carter at that spot.

[CGD]

KOC saying that following teams are trying to move up to lottery using their picks: CLE (20), POR (14), and TOR (19)

FWIW anyway

[exstatic]

Detroit should definitely rent out cap space. A player like Levine is a massive albatross for Chicago. They could use a guy who can just run around and score, plus can get assets to take him.

And trading down in the draft seems wise. I'd ring the bell for any diners wanting Clingan and take the best package. I hadn't thought of them as a team to jump to in order to get a Castle if, say, the 4 is Risacher.

Yes, Pistons fans really aren't big Duren fans. Apparently his defense is totally awful.

It was a weird pick, because that archetype really holds little value in today’s NBA.

[LeBowen]

It was a weird pick, because that archetype really holds little value in today’s NBA.

He needs to fix a lot of things, but he still hasn't turned 21 yet.
Playing for Pistons in their current state is really hard.

Tbh, I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on him if Pistons are looking to get rid.
He could develop into a bigger Montrezl Harrell. Could be great off the bench with a 6th man scorer.

[exstatic]

He needs to fix a lot of things, but he still hasn't turned 21 yet.
Playing for Pistons in their current state is really hard.

Tbh, I wouldn't mind taking a flyer on him if Pistons are looking to get rid.
He could develop into a bigger Montrezl Harrell. Could be great off the bench with a 6th man scorer.

He’s not much bigger than Harrell, who was a second round pick, and no longer in the NBA. You’re kind of making my point for me.

Duren was a lottery pick, so they won’t cut him loose or sell him cheap, at least not for a while.

[LeBowen]

He’s not much bigger than Harrell, who was a second round pick, and no longer in the NBA. You’re kind of making my point for me.

Duren was a lottery pick, so they won’t cut him loose or sell him cheap, at least not for a while.

Harrell was 6'6-6'7.
Duren looks 6'9-6'10.

Harrell is out of the league because he's an idiot off the court.
He was a great backup big for several years.

Don't forget Pistons got a new front office, those people don't care about previous mistakes.

[exstatic]

Harrell was 6'6-6'7.
Duren looks 6'9-6'10.

Harrell is out of the league because he's an idiot off the court.
He was a great backup big for several years.

Don't forget Pistons got a new front office, those people don't care about previous mistakes.

ATL also has a new FO,and they still want their picks back. Not sure that thought process hold water.

[scott]

It was a weird pick, because that archetype really holds little value in today’s NBA.

I agree about the archetype… but oddly, that archetype is projected to go #1 or #2 in this year’s draft.

[exstatic]

I agree about the archetype… but oddly, that archetype is projected to go #1 or #2 in this year’s draft.

A draft where many suggest that starts with a normal 8 pick or even 10 pick according to some. I’m also not in love with Sarr. There’s also recent buzz that Sarr/Risacher aren’t nearly the 1/2 locks that mocks would have you believe.

Also, front offices do dumb things.

[Vienna]

They wouldn't be investing in a weak draft, they'd be getting the players they want, really.

I'm avaricious enough that I don't like giving up first round picks, but this in theory is the sort of move you'd want to make.

we only discussed moving up from pick 4, but just for the sake of discussion, what would be the path to move from 8 to 5 or 6? yes, picks, but would the Pistons or Hornets listen, if Sochan is offered?
Hornets might need a replacement for Bridges. Pistons have some use for a combo forward. Fontecchio was a surprise for them, but he is also a FA.

[Mr. Body]

we only discussed moving up from pick 4, but just for the sake of discussion, what would be the path to move from 8 to 5 or 6? yes, picks, but would the Pistons or Hornets listen, if Sochan is offered?
Hornets might need a replacement for Bridges. Pistons have some use for a combo forward. Fontecchio was a surprise for them, but he is also a FA.

They would snap Sochan up in a second and run away giggling. That's insane.

[Mr. Body]

Vec and his bud in his last YT mock hashed out trading up to Detroit's 5 with our 8 using the better of the Atlanta/San Antonio picks in 2027 protected from 1-7.

The Trae Young-Luka Doncic swap (3 to 5, I believe) cost a 1-5 pick in the next year's draft, which I believe was Cam Reddish at #10 (full on fucking yikes).

So... that feels about fair. I'm sure the Spurs could dangle the Chicago pick instead, but any pick that could wind up being late lottery, with a risk of worse, sometime in the future seems to be what would do it.

Indiana-Washington swapped the 7th/8th slots last year at the cost of two second round picks. In this draft, it feels like something in between, the Luka/Trae and the Indiana/Washington.

[Extra Stout]

They would snap Sochan up in a second and run away giggling. That's insane.
Sochan’s not untouchable by any means, but I agree, trading him to move up two or three spots in a flat draft is not a decision that a front office in possession of its faculties would make.

[Ariel]

These trade up scenarios are sickening. You don't give up a developing 6'8" forward to move up 3 spots, and you don't give up a pick that may be more valuable than #5 outright. Good grief, I hope the FO isn't stupid enough to fall for any of these.

[Mr. Body]

These trade up scenarios are sickening. You don't give up a developing 6'8" forward to move up 3 spots, and you don't give up a pick that may be more valuable than #5 outright. Good grief, I hope the FO isn't stupid enough to fall for any of these.

Sochan, no. The future pick, depends. If you really want to secure a guy you have great faith in, then sure. A top five player in this draft may very well be better than the number 10 player in 2027. In fact, I'd say probably. Like with the Atlanta trade, they wound up picking Cam Reddish. Yeesh.

I wouldn't do it willy-nilly for a draft spot, but if I've worked out Stephon Castle, sat down and interviewed him, and am confident I'm getting a cornerstone player who solves a massive problem I'm now facing (perimeter defense), then giving up that pick isn't a bad option. In 2027 the Spurs are looking at the playoffs. If it's 1-10 protected, they still have a safety. And they get the Hawks' pick anyway.

I'm still personally reluctant, but I see the value.

[scott]

Sochan, no. The future pick, depends. If you really want to secure a guy you have great faith in, then sure. A top five player in this draft may very well be better than the number 10 player in 2027. In fact, I'd say probably. Like with the Atlanta trade, they wound up picking Cam Reddish. Yeesh.

I wouldn't do it willy-nilly for a draft spot, but if I've worked out Stephon Castle, sat down and interviewed him, and am confident I'm getting a cornerstone player who solves a massive problem I'm now facing (perimeter defense), then giving up that pick isn't a bad option. In 2027 the Spurs are looking at the playoffs. If it's 1-10 protected, they still have a safety. And they get the Hawks' pick anyway.

I'm still personally reluctant, but I see the value.

If you believe my Trade Value Chart (which one may or may not), then the difference between #5 and #8 is 500 points, which also happens to be the value of a Year+3 (2027) pick in the 11-20 range (which is probably a fair estimate for a Top 7 protected pick). So in theory, by my chart, the Vec trade pencils out.

500 points is also roughly the value of the #35 pick in this years draft, so I'd rather do that. But in reality, this leads me to believe that picks 25 and onward are probably a little overvalued in my chart (which is the same as Pelton's chart from 2018 after pick 14). We almost certainly wouldn't be able to trade #35 for a Top-7 protected 27 FRP, so I think those post-lotto picks need to be reduced a little in my chart.

[scott]

I'd prefer to make it an unprotected Worst-Of as opposed to a Top-7 protected Best Of, if you really wanted to move up for Castle. You probably want to be on being a playoff team by then, and you'll have a roster full of recent draft picks from 2024-26, so you may not really want 2 in 2027 (not to mention, you may also be getting CHI in 2027 anyway)

[SOMA Spur]

A couple of notes from yesterday.

-Both Givony and Woo had Devin Carter rated top ten. Also Vecenie and Bryce Simon mentioned they had Carter rated in their top ten (even though he went later in their mock). For me, it’s starting to feel like Carter is a lock at 8 or 9, we’ll see…

-Finally watched KOC interview with Buzelis (gave me Spicoli vibes, but not in a bad way). Matas says he’s now 205 and is looking to get to 212 with continued added athletecism by the time the season starts. KOC asked him how you exactly increase athleticism. He talked about his work with Plyometrics jump training, building muscle & improved performance. I’m sure all these guys do this, but the results are evident with his latest videos posted by Givony and others.



As others have mentioned, with a good possibility of us ending up with Buzelis/Carter, I’m trying to get excited about hopping on that train. Almost there.

[DPG21920]

If you believe my Trade Value Chart (which one may or may not), then the difference between #5 and #8 is 500 points, which also happens to be the value of a Year+3 (2027) pick in the 11-20 range (which is probably a fair estimate for a Top 7 protected pick). So in theory, by my chart, the Vec trade pencils out.

500 points is also roughly the value of the #35 pick in this years draft, so I'd rather do that. But in reality, this leads me to believe that picks 25 and onward are probably a little overvalued in my chart (which is the same as Pelton's chart from 2018 after pick 14). We almost certainly wouldn't be able to trade #35 for a Top-7 protected 27 FRP, so I think those post-lotto picks need to be reduced a little in my chart.

Good news is in a draft like this, Spurs have so many 2nds alongside other sweeteners like CHA, CHI and swaps etc…that they should be able to move up if they want to

[Mr. Body]

Good news is in a draft like this, Spurs have so many 2nds alongside other sweeteners like CHA, CHI and swaps etc…that they should be able to move up if they want to

I'm almost as interested in moving into the back part of the first round. I realize there's a roster crunch, but most of those players are pretty marginal.

Probably too much to take on three rookies. However, Knicks have 24 and 25. Other teams might want to dump slight bits of salary and generally the notion is that early second round is more flexible for cap-strapped contending teams than the late first. They can be limber with finances and go two-way.

As I've said before, I'd vastly prefer drafting Furphy at 20 than Risacher at 2. Not that I dislike Risacher, and do expect to draft him, but that the value is skewed.