2024 NBA Draft Thread

[Mr. Body]

I'll preface this with I'm not sure how trades work across this double night of drafting.
However, it would be hilarious if we think we've hit on a player the majority of the fanbase seems to like ie. Castle,
only to trade him the very next night...

https://i.imgur.com/dVlZhjR.gif

Generally, for the player's sake, teams don't like to jerk them around like this. If they're getting traded, it usually happens right away.

[Russ]

I really like Castle and hope they take him at 4 if they can't get Sarr.

But I was watching him interviewed on an NBATV show called "Get To Know."

Castle is noticeably not very bright. Not a big concern, maybe not even relevant, but boy did it come across pretty boldly.

[Mr. Body]

I really like Castle and hope they take him at 4 if they can't get Sarr.

But I was watching him interviewed on an NBATV show called "Get To Know."

Castle is noticeably not very bright. Not a big concern, maybe not even relevant, but boy did it come across pretty boldly.

I don't agree with this read, and regret this is how people interpret people who don't like to talk. He's not the most personable guy. Not Kawhi level, but he's not affable and talkative.

[Russ]

I don't agree with this read, and regret this is how people interpret people who don't like to talk. He's not the most personable guy. Not Kawhi level, but he's not affable and talkative.

You're right -- let's face it, there's no difference between shy and dumb.

[Mr. Body]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owsy81CdWiE

He seems fine. Not a fun personality but he's okay.

[CGD]

Rumors that Utah is trying to move up to Detroit in order to target Castle. Rumor suggests they're trying to jump over Charlotte, thinking they would take him. Take with a grain of salt.

The other one I just heard via Yahoo is CHA trying to move up to 3 to select Castle ahead of the Spurs at 4.

[Russ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owsy81CdWiE

He seems fine. Not a fun personality but he's okay.

I probably just caught him in a bad moment.

[scott]

Seems kind of like Vassell tbh, doesn't come across as very personable in interviews but I bet (like Vassell) he is well liked by his teammates.

[mo7888]

SA SENDS TO UTAH

#4
#8
#35
Zach Collins
Worst of SA/ATL '25

UTAH SENDS TO SA

#10
#29
Lauri Markkanen

Follow that up with:

SA sends 4 SRPs to PHX for #22

Spurs Draft:

#10 - Dillingham or Carter (probably Carter, tbh)
#22 - Tyler Smith
#29 - Johnny Furby

Obviously, I'm down with the trade part of that...might draft different though..

[scott]

Obviously, I'm down with the trade part of that...might draft different though..

Hit me with your wisdom, mo!

[spurraider21]

The other one I just heard via Yahoo is CHA trying to move up to 3 to select Castle ahead of the Spurs at 4.
that would be pretty great tbh. means in all likelihood that sheppard falls to 4 and the spurs cant fuck it up by taking castle instead

[cutewizard]

Gentlemen, is there a free live stream pls?

[Leetonidas]

1805768405670080859

[Mr. Body]

With Risacher at Atlanta, if someone springs to Houston to get Castle, then trading down with Clingan may be the best option or at least considered.

[Dejounte]

1805768405670080859


YES!!

[CGD]

With Risacher at Atlanta, if someone springs to Houston to get Castle, then trading down with Clingan may be the best option or at least considered.

I’d be sad if someone snakes Castle at 3, but taking Reed at 4 isn’t a bad outcome.

[spurraider21]

yeah... fully expect the hawks to take risacher, or they'll work out a deal w/ the wizards where the hawks take sarr and they swap

[spurraider21]

still dno whats going to happen to resolve the Young/Murray backcourt... but Risacher/Johnson at the forward spots is a really nice combo on paper.

my guess is they end up moving murray, and bufkin becomes the combo guard off the bench for them. he had a solid year in gleague last year, and we all liked him quite a bit leading up to that draft. i think a murray/bufkin backcourt would actually be pretty cool, with either being able to play point alongside bogdonavich off the bench, but i think for PR reasons they will elect to move murray instead of young

[Mr. Body]

I’d be sad if someone snakes Castle at 3, but taking Reed at 4 isn’t a bad outcome.

No it's not, but I'm not totally enamored with him. I'm prepared to be wrong. I'd at least think about moving down.

[SpursFan86]

The thing I’m worried about now though is that even if teams want to trade up for Clingan, they might be able to do that by jumping to 5 or 6. If people aren’t buying the Rockets’ or Spurs’ interest, then no need to trade up to 3 to try and get Clingan.

[BacktoBasics]

I’d be sad if someone snakes Castle at 3, but taking Reed at 4 isn’t a bad outcome.

Could be a blessing in disguise. I don’t see Castle as a project but it’ll be a work in progress. Reed would be a quicker fit and probably a faster path in development.

[benefactor]

No it's not, but I'm not totally enamored with him. I'm prepared to be wrong. I'd at least think about moving down.
Believe me, everyone here is more than happy that you aren't making the decisions.

[Mr. Body]

Could be a blessing in disguise. I don’t see Castle as a project but it’ll be a work in progress. Reed would be a quicker fit and probably a faster path in development.

I think Sheppard hits a ceiling at a certain point where Castle's best outcomes are above his. Sheppard probably has a higher floor and this may be a high floor draft.

[spurraider21]

The thing I’m worried about now though is that even if teams want to trade up for Clingan, they might be able to do that by jumping to 5 or 6. If people aren’t buying the Rockets’ or Spurs’ interest, then no need to trade up to 3 to try and get Clingan.
even if the rockets themselves arent interested in clingan, they do appear to be the team most willing to move down. sure, a team might want to move up to 5 or 6 instead, but are the pistons/hornets really aching to move down? it might see seen that 3 is the last opportunity to trade up until 8 or something (if its true the spurs have gauged the market for that pick)

[djohn2oo8]

Rocket fans are going to be on suicide watch if the rockets let Reed Sheppard fall to the Spurs, they hate the idea of the spurs getting any talent around wemby lol
If the Rockets stay at 3, and don’t trade the pick they are taking Reed. No one else makes sense currently.

[CGD]

No it's not, but I'm not totally enamored with him. I'm prepared to be wrong. I'd at least think about moving down.

Let’s say this happens (ZR 1, Sarr 2, Castle 3) and Bulls interest in Clingan remains.

Considering the Bulls are about to turn over the keys to Giddy, how much more would the Spurs need to add, if anything, to this framework to land Coby White?

CHI: Clingan (4); 35; CHA pick
SAS: White

Note: CHI keeps 11.

[scott]

Final Game Theory Podcast mock has DET moving out of 5 so that someone can take Clingan. (Spurs took Castle at 4).

If this happens, there could be a possibility of Buz dropping to 8. Castle and Buz lets gooooooooooooooooooooo

[scott]

Let’s say this happens (ZR 1, Sarr 2, Castle 3) and Bulls interest in Clingan remains.

Considering the Bulls are about to turn over the keys to Giddy, how much more would the Spurs need to add, if anything, to this framework to land Coby White?

CHI: Clingan (4); 35; CHA pick
SAS: White

Note: CHI keeps 11.

Personally I think that's a big overpay for White.

[Dverde]

https://x.com/nba/status/1805710393009897960?s=46

[mo7888]

Hit me with your wisdom, mo!

It really depends on who falls... does Knecht or Williams fall? If so, I'd go there... after that
JaKobe Walter
Johnny Furphy
Jared McCain
Devin Carter
Isaiah Collier
Kyle Filipowski

[CGD]

Personally I think that's a big overpay for White.

The over variant is:

CHI: Clingan (4); Wesley
SAS: Dosunmu; 11; lower FRP protections

[Mr. Body]

Final Game Theory Podcast mock has DET moving out of 5 so that someone can take Clingan. (Spurs took Castle at 4).

If this happens, there could be a possibility of Buz dropping to 8. Castle and Buz lets gooooooooooooooooooooo

I threw this out somewhere. Chicago seems to like Buzelis. Local kid what not.

Trade down to 11 from 8 ( if we don't want Buzelis) and you still get a choice of Carter, Dillingham, or McCain.

[mystargtr34]

The Rockets aren’t taking Castle at 3.

They already have a better version in Amen Thompson. Both of these two are so far away from being competent shooters that you just cannot play them together and spend two top 5 picks in back to back drafts on the same player.

Plus Rockets need shooting almost as badly as the Spurs do.

[exstatic]

Generally, for the player's sake, teams don't like to jerk them around like this. If they're getting traded, it usually happens right away.

Right away meaning after the lower pick is made. You don’t want to trade back from 8 to 11, for example, and announce during the 8th pick that San Antonio will now be picking 11th because of a trade. The league knows about and approves the trade, we pick at 8 for Chicago, Chicago picks at 11 for us, THEN the trade of both draft rights is announced.

[BackHome]

Houston Probably more as they are wanting to making playoffs runs

[exstatic]

1805768405670080859

Translated: none of our bluffs worked.

[Mr. Body]

Translated: none of our bluffs worked.

I feel like a team would have wanted Sarr but Atlanta was asking too much or didn't want to drop too far.

[exstatic]

I’d be sad if someone snakes Castle at 3, but taking Reed at 4 isn’t a bad outcome.

If Charlotte is moving up, and there are concerns about Mark Williams back, they may be targeting the wrong UConn player.

[mystargtr34]

Also I still don’t fully believe that Sidery guy isn’t just parroting what the Hawks are telling him to entice the Spurs to trade.

Still rekon Clingan is a chance at 1.

[Leetonidas]

https://x.com/nba/status/1805710393009897960?s=46

:lol Today's NBA players

[CGD]

The Rockets aren’t taking Castle at 3.

They already have a better version in Amen Thompson. Both of these two are so far away from being competent shooters that you just cannot play them together and spend two top 5 picks in back to back drafts on the same player.

Plus Rockets need shooting almost as badly as the Spurs do.

Agree. The rumor though is that CHA is trying to move to 3 to get ahead of Spurs so they can take Castle there

[CGD]

Translated: none of our bluffs worked.

Also what a bad look for their FO and the team disarray there. How are you not able to get a work out with Sarr, a projected top 3 pick, when you own 1?

[BackHome]

So does Houston trading picks change anything regarding there potential trade out of the 3 spot?

[exstatic]

So does Houston trading picks change anything regarding there potential trade out of the 3 spot?

Houston didn’t trade for him, the Knicks did. The Nets and Houston worked a side deal for a return of some of the Harden picks.

[CGD]

So does Houston trading picks change anything regarding there potential trade out of the 3 spot?

that they may use 3, and those Suns picks to target… wait for it.. KD

[Seventyniner]

I would love for the Rockets to blow their wad on KD. They would be an easy second round out and wouldn't have a lot of room to improve once KD ages out.

[BackHome]

Damn, Houston coming out blazing they definitely letting people know #3 is for Sale for the right player.

[Mr. Body]

I would love for the Rockets to blow their wad on KD. They would be an easy second round out and wouldn't have a lot of room to improve once KD ages out.

Same. He's turning 36 this September and isn't (or never was) the incredible leader to push a team over. He was always happy on Curry's coattails and those years are long gone.

[Vic Petro]

My guess is Salaun/Carter

[Blizzardwizard]

For what it's worth Givony has changed his prediction for the 8th pick from Dillingham to Salaun in his 'based on latest intel' final mock draft. Castle still at 4.


"Salaun has long been discussed with the Spurs as they are typically attracted to long-armed, high-upside prospects in this mold. The French connection with Victor Wembanyama clearly doesn't hurt, as the Spurs look to build a locker room that their franchise player enjoys being a part of, and Salaun shares many of the same values from a competitiveness and intensity standpoint on and off the court."

[scott]

Castle/Salaun is also what Vecenie did in his final mock.

:(

[Degoat]

Castle/Salaun is also what Vecenie did in his final mock.

:(


Seems like the most likely scenario, but that would mean we absolutely have to invest in shooting in free agency because we gotta have some space out on that court.

[Mr. Body]

For what it's worth Givony has changed his prediction for the 8th pick from Dillingham to Salaun in his 'based on latest intel' final mock draft. Castle still at 4.


"Salaun has long been discussed with the Spurs as they are typically attracted to long-armed, high-upside prospects in this mold. The French connection with Victor Wembanyama clearly doesn't hurt, as the Spurs look to build a locker room that their franchise player enjoys being a part of, and Salaun shares many of the same values from a competitiveness and intensity standpoint on and off the court."

It's supposition and guesswork, also there's a heavy bias toward believing Wembanyama insists on having French players around him.

That said, Salaun is probably most likely at 8.

[CGD]

Castle/Salaun is also what Vecenie did in his final mock.

:(

If they did that, it’d be so nice if they could drop back to 11 and pick up another asset too.

[BackHome]

Haha just did a mock and first time ever it went Sarr, RISC, Clingan, and had us taking Sheppard at 4 and Castle at 8 - Book It. Lol

[RedAzSa]

DraftKings still has Carter as the most likely pick at 8 at +300. Salaun is next at +400 followed by Dillingham at +550

[Mr. Body]

Someone posted this on reddit:

Lowest Assist Rates (in the draft)


Yves Missi (3.4%)

Blake Hinson (4.9%)

Melvin Ajinca (5.3%)

Ryan Dunn (6.0%)

Pacome Dadiet (6.2%)

Ariel Hukporti (6.4%)

Bobi Klintman (6.6%)

Tidjane Salaun (6.8%)

Justin Edwards (6.9%)

Zaccharie Risacher (7.0%)


Lol what the fuck

[rascal]

Castle/Salaun is also what Vecenie did in his final mock.

:(

Surprise surprise

Many of us have been saying this all along.

[rascal]

Haha just did a mock and first time ever it went Sarr, RISC, Clingan, and had us taking Sheppard at 4 and Castle at 8 - Book It. Lol

Spurs are not taking Sheppard. Book it!

[z0sa]

A Wing or Castle + Dillingham or Knecht please.

[objective]

Someone posted this on reddit:

Lowest Assist Rates (in the draft)


Yves Missi (3.4%)

Blake Hinson (4.9%)

Melvin Ajinca (5.3%)

Ryan Dunn (6.0%)

Pacome Dadiet (6.2%)

Ariel Hukporti (6.4%)

Bobi Klintman (6.6%)

Tidjane Salaun (6.8%)

Justin Edwards (6.9%)

Zaccharie Risacher (7.0%)


Lol what the fuck

Assists aren't as common in European ball, not that they're great passers anyway

[BatManu20]

It's officially draft day boys.

[Mr. Body]

Assists aren't as common in European ball, not that they're great passers anyway

Assist rate is the percentage of assists a team gets from a player while he's on the floor, so it doesn't matter how many overall assists the team gets. Normally centers have really low assist rates because they are finishing plays. Perimeter players who swing the ball around at minimum have fairly decent ones. Those who don't either are chuckers, whether by role or demeanor, or they just can't handle the passing required of them.

Since both Risacher and Salaun also have very poor assist/turnover ratios, I think it's more the latter. Their processing is so poor that they cannot handle more than basic passes and cannot set up teammates.

[objective]

Assist rate is the percentage of assists a team gets from a player while he's on the floor, so it doesn't matter how many overall assists the team gets. Normally centers have really low assist rates because they are finishing plays. Perimeter players who swing the ball around at minimum have fairly decent ones. Those who don't either are chuckers, whether by role or demeanor, or they just can't handle the passing required of them.

Since both Risacher and Salaun also have very poor assist/turnover ratios, I think it's more the latter. Their processing is so poor that they cannot handle more than basic passes and cannot set up teammates.

Fwiw Givony claimed Risacher was a point guard in the b division and averaged 5 assists a game there. Haven't double checked it myself. Givony also made other excuses for why Risacher didn't have assists this year

[DAF86]

SA SENDS TO UTAH

#4
#8
#35
Zach Collins
Worst of SA/ATL '25

UTAH SENDS TO SA

#10
#29
Lauri Markkanen

Follow that up with:

SA sends 4 SRPs to PHX for #22

Spurs Draft:

#10 - Dillingham or Carter (probably Carter, tbh)
#22 - Tyler Smith
#29 - Johnny Furby

Would love it, but no way Utah goes for that.

[DAF86]

Assists aren't as common in European ball, not that they're great passers anyway

Assists aren't as common in FIBA because they don't record the phantom assits that the NBA does. Have you ever seen some of these "assists" in a player's game highlights on youtube? :lol

A drible hand-off where the guy that got the balk takes likes 5 dribbles, does a spin move and hits a fadeaway triple while being double teamed counts as an assist. :lol

[SpurPadre]

Hey guys. I’m rarely on here now but just wanted to chime in and hope we get Castle and Salaun with our two first round picks based on what I’ve read on them while investing in shooters in free agency. Am I wrong in wanting this scenario? I haven’t actually seen those guys play other than bits of Castle at the NCAA tournament.

[scott]

Hey guys. I’m rarely on here now but just wanted to chime in and hope we get Castle and Salaun with our two first round picks based on what I’ve read on them while investing in shooters in free agency. Am I wrong in wanting this scenario? I haven’t actually seen those guys play other than bits of Castle at the NCAA tournament.

Aside from a few folks here, no one wants Salaun, but the outcome you laid out seems to be the consensus most likely outcome. If pick #4 goes Castle, about 75% of this board will be happy, and if pick #8 goes Salaun, about 75% of this board will be pissed.

[objective]

Hey guys. I’m rarely on here now but just wanted to chime in and hope we get Castle and Salaun with our two first round picks based on what I’ve read on them while investing in shooters in free agency. Am I wrong in wanting this scenario? I haven’t actually seen those guys play other than bits of Castle at the NCAA tournament.

Lots of people with you on Castle, but a sizable portion against. Could be 50/50. I'm on the anti-Castle side, think he would be a big mistake

[offset formation]

Lots of people with you on Castle, but a sizable portion against. Could be 50/50. I'm on the anti-Castle side, think he would be a big mistake

Same. Huge overspend with the 4th pick, IMHO. Castle doesn't seem to have 4th pick upside stuff. I personally prefer Buzelis and Sheppard there assuming 1-3 go in order more or less with the expected mocks.

[Obstructed_View]

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

[Pauleta14]

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

KOC has to be paid for is takes on Buzelis

[Mr. Body]

Same. Huge overspend with the 4th pick, IMHO. Castle doesn't seem to have 4th pick upside stuff. I personally prefer Buzelis and Sheppard there assuming 1-3 go in order more or less with the expected mocks.

How do you define upside? If Castle develops his shot he's a great player. That's all he has to do. Pretty much all the other players have more things they have to hit on to get to their best outcomes.

[SpursFan86]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/40403204/2024-nba-mock-draft-latest-first-second-round-predictions-all-58-picks

For what it’s worth, in the latest ESPN mock Givony alludes to there being chatter around SA trading back from 4.



There's trade chatter surrounding both the No. 3 and No. 4 picks, with Houston and San Antonio weighing potential trade-back scenarios. Clingan is considered the likely target for whichever team might move up, if that should occur. He is most frequently connected by rival teams to Memphis, which has a clear need for a player in his mold. Some also have speculated on Oklahoma City, which has the wealth of trade assets to maneuver up the board if it chooses.

[LeBowen]

The only thing Givony can allude to is that he doesn't know shit.

[rankingtear]

I doubt OKC is trying to trade up for Clingan makes zero sense for their offense. Timvp is insinuiting it is Cody but I think it is Salaun. They need elite size at the 4 and still maintain their playstyle. UTA is the one targeting Cody, they have zero wing prospects.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The only thing Givony can allude to is that he doesn't know shit.

Givony probably does know things but he seems more interested in being a mouthpiece for agents/teams than to leak true info. Pays better, surely.

[Dejounte]

Givony probably does know things but he seems more interested in being a mouthpiece for agents/teams than to leak true info. Pays better, surely.

Big accomplishment for Givony to convince the whole basketball world that Zaccharie should be drafted this high. That was a great feat.

[objective]

Givony was on the Dunc'd On Podcast and was kind of getting testy when Duncan had his own opinions, i don't think he's used to interviewers giving their own thoughts instead of just being thrilled at everything he says. Funny to listen to him get mad and start raising his voice

But

On both this interview and the one with Windhorst he did do a pretty good job of selling Risacher

[Mr. Body]

Givony was on the Dunc'd On Podcast and was kind of getting testy when Duncan had his own opinions, i don't think he's used to interviewers giving their own thoughts instead of just being thrilled at everything he says. Funny to listen to him get mad and start raising his voice

But

On both this interview and the one with Windhorst he did do a pretty good job of selling Risacher

I don't think Givony has opinions so much as agendas. He probably has a big ego, but he is ESPN now through and through and those guys are crooked. He's been Risacher's extra agent for a while now. So much so that there's something else there.

[Mr. Body]

Or maybe he locked in bets that he needs to make happen.

[JPB]

Assists aren't as common in European ball, not that they're great passers anyway

Risacher was averaging 4.4 ass/game last year in his U21 youth team when he had more responsabiltiy as a primary initiator and playmaker, which he wasn't asked to do this year, with US guards in charge in Bourg.

Which real, pro scouts perfectly know, contrary to a bunch of fans on Reddit or basic haters on here who discovered Zach a few months ago and never saw him play. No surprise he proved a decent passer in his workouts... And weak draft or not, and contrary to what some seem to imagine, he's not projected #1 just because. The potential is there.

Assists may also not be granted a easily in Europe than in the NBA.

[3&D_TBH]

Based on the Houston news this morning there is now a much better chance that Reed is available for the pick at 4. Sheppard fans got a boost with this news that Houston is going after KD. So there’s a better chance that Reed is available. If I had to bet money, I would still bet Castle and Carter, but now there’s a somewhat of a chance for Reed at 4

[Mr. Body]

Risacher was averaging 4.4 ass/game last year in his U21 youth team when he had more responsabiltiy as a primary initiator and playmaker, which he wasn't asked to do this year, with US guards in charge in Bourg.

Which real, pro scouts perfectly know, contrary to a bunch of fans on Reddit or basic haters on here who discovered Zach a few months ago and never saw him play. No surprise he proved a decent passer in his workouts... And weak draft or not, and contrary to what some seem to imagine, he's not projected #1 just because. The potential is there.

Assists may also not be granted a easily in Europe than in the NBA.

By the eye test, he cannot handle any kind of pressure and is very bad at passing on the move. Maybe he was better than kids but not against players of his level.

[Vienna]

Risacher was averaging 4.4 ass/game last year in his U21 youth team when he had more responsabiltiy as a primary initiator and playmaker, which he wasn't asked to do this year, with US guards in charge in Bourg.

Which real, pro scouts perfectly know, contrary to a bunch of fans on Reddit or basic haters on here who discovered Zach a few months ago and never saw him play. No surprise he proved a decent passer in his workouts... And weak draft or not, and contrary to what some seem to imagine, he's not projected #1 just because. The potential is there.

Assists may also not be granted a easily in Europe than in the NBA.

you just shot a hole in the theory, that the only reason he is ranked #1 is, because this mighty guy Givony had decided he has to be.

[exstatic]

The only thing Givony can allude to is that he doesn't know shit.

Guys who do analytics and player analysis nearly always fail when they get into the gossip game, because they have no sources for that so they guess 100% of the time, and they get exposed.

[Mr. Body]

By logic of previous seasons, Risacher was a bad shooter before this year, so...

[LeBowen]

Guys who do analytics and player analysis nearly always fail when they get into the gossip game, because they have no sources for that so they guess 100% of the time, and they get exposed.

I'm fine with them guesstimating draft prospects and young players, it's their job, after all. But I hate when someone like Givony tries to push a narrative that X team will do Y trade just because he thinks it should happen.

[Mr. Body]

I'm fine with them guesstimating draft prospects and young players, it's their job, after all. But I hate when someone like Givony tries to push a narrative that X team will do Y trade just because he thinks it should happen.

Again, he's ESPN. They've been pushing the Trae Young to the Spurs narrative for months.

[Mugen]

The Salian Experience starts tonight tbh, can’t wait.

[R. DeMurre]

In draft adjacent news, Detroit will renounce James Wiseman, making him an unrestricted free agent.

Maybe the least successful high upside/high ceiling big swing of last half decade.

[spurraider21]

Winhorst rumbling the rockets may take Clingan with the intention of trading Sengun

[Mr. Body]

In draft adjacent news, Detroit will renounce James Wiseman, making him an unrestricted free agent.

Maybe the least successful high upside/high ceiling big swing of last half decade.

"Hey, this guy quit his college team after like four games and refuses to play again. He must be great!"

[Mr. Body]

Winhorst rumbling the rockets may take Clingan with the intention of trading Sengun

Lol.

Trade the only near star they have.

[LeBowen]

Lol.

Trade the only near star they have.

While Sengun is great, he's no Jokic, but a Sabonis.
And unless it's Jokic, having a max contract center in today's game gets you only so far.
They'll offer him a max extension this year, it kicks in next summer.
If there's a team that really likes Sengun and is willing to pay a lot, they should trade him, imo.

But only if they can get another potential franchise player, not a 36 year old who would cost a ton of picks.
Rockets might just be dumb enough to give Suns a lifeline with KD trade. But then again, Suns would probably be dumb enough to reject the offer.

[rankingtear]

Givony is straight up shitting on Castle and the Ignite guys. He said when Castle played point in HS he had 100 turnovers a game. Ignite team was the worst g-league team in 25 years.

[Mr. Body]

Givony is straight up shitting on Castle and the Ignite guys. He said when Castle played point in HS he had 100 turnovers a game. Ignite team was the worst g-league team in 25 years.

He absolutely has an agenda. Is anyone calling him out on this?

[Mr. Body]

While Sengun is great, he's no Jokic, but a Sabonis.
And unless it's Jokic, having a max contract center in today's game gets you only so far.
They'll offer him a max extension this year, it kicks in next summer.
If there's a team that really likes Sengun and is willing to pay a lot, they should trade him, imo.

But only if they can get another potential franchise player, not a 36 year old who would cost a ton of picks.
Rockets might just be dumb enough to give Suns a lifeline with KD trade. But then again, Suns would probably be dumb enough to reject the offer.

I think playing with Sengun is hard for the Rockets, and possibly not what they want to do with Udoka as coach. That said, he's clearly their best player, so it's awkward. They have a lot of good pieces, but I don't think any stars. Sengun on Phoenix is actually pretty intriguing, an inside-out style with Booker.

[Knoxxx]

https://www.miamitimesonline.com/sports/terrence-shannon-jr-found-not-guilty-of-rape/article_b9e2bab0-337e-11ef-aa7b-370ac471bb92.amp.html

Terrence Shannon not guilty!

[SpursFan86]

Winhorst rumbling the rockets may take Clingan with the intention of trading Sengun

Man, I’m starting to think Sheppard at 4 is not such a long shot…

Risacher and Sarr almost seem like locks to go 1 and 2 at this point. With Houston’s move last night + all the rumblings about them wanting to aggressively add a star this offseason, I really think they’re trading out of #3 (or selecting Clingan if there are plans to deal Sengun).

If Sheppard is on the board at 4 and we go in another direction I will riot :lol

[poopbox]

While Sengun is great, he's no Jokic, but a Sabonis.
And unless it's Jokic, having a max contract center in today's game gets you only so far.
They'll offer him a max extension this year, it kicks in next summer.
If there's a team that really likes Sengun and is willing to pay a lot, they should trade him, imo.

But only if they can get another potential franchise player, not a 36 year old who would cost a ton of picks.
Rockets might just be dumb enough to give Suns a lifeline with KD trade. But then again, Suns would probably be dumb enough to reject the offer.

Damn. I guess we need to trade Wemby while we can huh?

[LeBowen]

Damn. I guess we need to trade Wemby while we can huh?

My bad, I actually deleted a line in that post. The wrong line.
A center that's not a good rim protector. As in look at what's going in Sacramento.
Sengun is also kind of undersized, similar to Sabonis.
Compared to Jokic who's got actual center size and wingspan. And even he needs to have Gordon help him a lot.

No rim protection = no winning unless you're a potential offensive GOAT.

[montgod]

I doubt OKC is trying to trade up for Clingan makes zero sense for their offense. Timvp is insinuiting it is Cody but I think it is Salaun. They need elite size at the 4 and still maintain their playstyle. UTA is the one targeting Cody, they have zero wing prospects.

I agree... definitely feel like Salaun is who they'd be going after.

[rascal]

Castle/Salaun is also what Vecenie did in his final mock.

:(

I had Topic/ Salaun months ago before anyone in here.

After the Topic injury then I switched to Castle/Salaun and now I'm saying there's a possibility of getting all with a trade to get Topic but expect at least two of these three.

[FireMicoHalili]

I agree... definitely feel like Salaun is who they'd be going after.
Struggling with the concept of Salaun because all that’s being used to sell him is upside and his relationship with Wembanyama. The second reason is practical but not the primary consideration when you’re drafting this high. He’s tall but not freakishly tall and is neither a freakishly athletic person. If you’re drafting solely based on upside I struggle to understand why Holland isn’t a better choice.

[Mr. Body]

Struggling with the concept of Salaun because all that’s being used to sell him is upside and his relationship with Wembanyama. The second reason is practical but not the primary consideration when you’re drafting this high. He’s tall but not freakishly tall and is neither a freakishly athletic person. If you’re drafting solely based on upside I struggle to understand why Holland isn’t a better choice.

Said it a while back. Wemby got Coulibaly drafted high last year due to the relationship/teammates. He's getting Salaun drafted high due to relationship this year. There's no way Salaun should be considered in the lottery. If he was Italian or Hungarian, he may not even be first round.

[JPB]

I don't believe HOU is after KD, not for what it would cost them anyway. Booker is another story.

[Kevin]

I don't believe HOU is after KD, not for what it would cost them anyway. Booker is another story.

Yeah Booker makes more sense for them given their timeline.

[Bartleby]

Man, I’m starting to think Sheppard at 4 is not such a long shot…

Risacher and Sarr almost seem like locks to go 1 and 2 at this point. With Houston’s move last night + all the rumblings about them wanting to aggressively add a star this offseason, I really think they’re trading out of #3 (or selecting Clingan if there are plans to deal Sengun).

If Sheppard is on the board at 4 and we go in another direction I will riot :lol

If he is on the board at 4 I'd be sort of shocked if they didn't select him (unless Risacher / Sarr is still there, which seems unlikely / highly unlikely). With their sharpshooter already selected, I could see them going for Salaun or Williams at 8. I doubt Castle would still be there at 8, but I would throw him into the mix of possible picks if he were.

[Blizzardwizard]

Reed Sheppard's odds to go #1 have tumbled in the last hours. From +10,000 on DraftKings to +3000.


That might be the funniest outcome possible.

[LeBowen]

Reed Sheppard's odds to go #1 have tumbled in the last hours. From +10,000 on DraftKings to +3000.


That might be the funniest outcome possible.

That's the "Trae gets traded" outcome. Reed and DJ would be a way better fit, but he's definitely not worth the #1 pick.

[Blizzardwizard]

That's the "Trae gets traded" outcome. Reed and DJ would be a way better fit, but he's definitely not worth the #1 pick.


+2200 now!

Either someone is about to lose a lot of money or they know something most don't...

Woj did say in a report last night that Atlanta were considering "a few" players at #1 which certainly sounds like more than just Risacher/Clingan to me.

[Mr. Body]

The ability of execs and insiders to create a situation and then profit off it is absurd. These guys could make an insane amount of money.

[exstatic]

Lol.

Trade the only near star they have.

He’s never going to be good defensively. If you just want a fun, entertaining team, he’s your guy, but if you have deep playoff/championship aspirations, he’s never going to make the nut.

[Mr. Body]

He’s never going to be good defensively. If you just want a fun, entertaining team, he’s your guy, but if you have deep playoff/championship aspirations, he’s never going to make the nut.

Here's the "there's only one way to win in the NBA" thing again. If you're right, then absolutely no one will trade for him and they'll be stuck with this forever curse upon their franchise. Might as well kill him now and bury him in a lead coffin.

[BatManu20]

Virtually zero chance Reed goes #1 tbh. This happens before every draft. Ain't happenin'.

[Mr. Body]

The Hawks are going to draft that one white guy the Rockets had for a while with dark hair Matt McClurg or whatever his name was and then trade him to the Spurs for the 2025 pick and 4. Matt Maloney.

[exstatic]

Here's the "there's only one way to win in the NBA" thing again. If you're right, then absolutely no one will trade for him and they'll be stuck with this forever curse upon their franchise. Might as well kill him now and bury him in a lead coffin.

Your built in assumption there is that every team is trying to win a championship. Some owners just want to watch their franchise appreciate and then cash out down the road, spending as little as possible along the way.

[SpursFan86]

Virtually zero chance Reed goes #1 tbh. This happens before every draft. Ain't happenin'.

In a vacuum, Sheppard being #1 isn’t an outlandish idea at all. But with Atlanta already having Trae/Murray, yeah, hard to imagine them going with Sheppard.

[spurraider21]

In a vacuum, Sheppard being #1 isn’t an outlandish idea at all. But with Atlanta already having Trae/Murray, yeah, hard to imagine them going with Sheppard.
not to mention Bufkin who they took in the first round last year. he spent last year in the gleague and did well there

[Knoxxx]

Below are the times for each day of the 2024 NBA Draft
Wednesday, June 26: 8 p.m. ET ( 5 p.m. PT) airing on ABC and ESPN


Thursday, June 27: 4 p.m. ET (1 p.m. PT) airing on ESPN only

[JPB]

In a vacuum, Sheppard being #1 isn’t an outlandish idea at all. But with Atlanta already having Trae/Murray, yeah, hard to imagine them going with Sheppard.

Unless they want to force HOU to trade up.

they've been sending signals to litterally everyone under they could pick their guy. If WAS and SA don't/didn't bite, maybe they're teasing HOU now.

[djohn2oo8]

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[TrainOfThought5]

Struggling with the concept of Salaun because all that’s being used to sell him is upside and his relationship with Wembanyama. The second reason is practical but not the primary consideration when you’re drafting this high. He’s tall but not freakishly tall and is neither a freakishly athletic person. If you’re drafting solely based on upside I struggle to understand why Holland isn’t a better choice.

holland isn’t the better choice because Holland doesn’t speak French!

[spurraider21]

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[djohn2oo8]

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That is wild.

[Mr. Body]

Memphis only has their own picks and if I read it right, bad swaps. So those three picks offered are second half of the first round. Not worth too much, although if they attach their 9 it's not bad.

[DPG21920]

Reports of HOU getting multiple offers for pick 3 depending on who is there with multiple picks being offered.

I cannot help but think of OKC getting Clingan. He would be a great fit and they have so many picks to burn. Getting a “win now” rookie that fills one of your bigger needs seems to make a lot of sense since it would be a financially cheap solution for most part with still upside but can help you win now too.

I would not be shocked at all if OKC trades to 3 and gets Clingan.

[BatManu20]

It appears Memphis really wants Clingan, which makes a ton of sense as they desperately need a starting C to pair with JJJ with the departure of Steven Adams. They might luck out as there's a good chance Clingan falls to the 5th pick imo, in which case I think DET will move the pick for a couple of protected picks. OKC getting Clingan to pair with Chet would suck though tbh.

[LeBowen]

Memphis most definitely wants Clingan, no doubt about it.

Too bad they don't have any tradeable players we'd want.
I guess Bane is off limits.

[offset formation]

How do you define upside? If Castle develops his shot he's a great player. That's all he has to do. Pretty much all the other players have more things they have to hit on to get to their best outcomes.

It's the one skill, above all others, that most players only improve upon modestly, if at all really, over the course of their careers. Because there's so much that goes into a shot to master (lift, release, follow through, timing, etc). It takes a willingness and attention to detail and then lots and lots of repetition. So while I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying it's a rarity. I've learned that the hard way over the years on players I thought would be good NBA players if they'd just develop their shot. His shot is so wonky though it'll probably entail a total reset.

And I'd just add one more thing. Drafting a kid at 4 ought to give you a player on this team, as currently constructed now around Wemby, that can space the floor and provide consistent good shooting. So for those reasons, I don't draft Castle.

[spurraider21]

It appears Memphis really wants Clingan, which makes a ton of sense as they desperately need a starting C to pair with JJJ with the departure of Steven Adams. They might luck out as there's a good chance Clingan falls to the 5th pick imo, in which case I think DET will move the pick for a couple of protected picks. OKC getting Clingan to pair with Chet would suck though tbh.
memphis likely wont be picking this high again anytime soon unless Ja goes off the reservation

makes some sense for them to stretch while theyre in position to

[BatManu20]

Just spoke with a Guests fan on another message board who follows the team pretty closely and said that based on all his research and everything he's heard, the Blazers top-3 targets at 7 are Cody Williams, Salaun, and Knecht, in no particular order. He said given the lack of talent on their roster, he believes they'll take the upside swing on Williams or Salaun at 7.

PATFO are probably very aware of their interest in Salaun, and see them as the biggest threat to poach him before they can at 8 if he is indeed the guy they want at that spot, hence the rumors of Spurs considering Salaun at 4.

[scott]

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I'd definitely do it from 4. I'm perfectly content picking 8 and 9, and getting 3 more (protected) FRPs might be what we need to compete in the star hunting market (as seen from yesterday's Bridges trade)

[BatManu20]

I'd definitely do it from 4. I'm perfectly content picking 8 and 9, and getting 3 more (protected) FRPs might be what we need to compete in the star hunting market (as seen from yesterday's Bridges trade)

There's a good chance all 2-3 of those FRP's end up in the late 1st Round though with MEM being a top-10 team in the league when healthy... which makes them far less valuable obviously. I'm not taking that deal tbh.

[scott]

Just spoke with a Guests fan on another message board who follows the team pretty closely and said that based on all his research and everything he's heard, the Blazers top-3 targets at 7 are Cody Williams, Salaun, and Knecht, in no particular order. He said given the lack of talent on their roster, he believes they'll take the upside swing on Williams or Salaun at 7.

PATFO are probably very aware of their interest in Salaun, and see them as the biggest threat to poach him before they can at 8 if he is indeed the guy they want at that spot, hence the rumors of Spurs considering Salaun at 4.

I just hope that the Spurs publicly reported interest in Salaun at 8 is precisely to get the Blazers to take him at 7.

[scott]

There's a good chance all 2-3 of those FRP's end up in the late 1st Round though with MEM being a top-10 team in the league when healthy... which makes them far less valuable obviously. I'm not taking that deal tbh.

All of the picks NYK just sent to BKN for Bridges are projected to be late in the first. I'm looking to get those picks from MEM not to use them in the draft, but to trade to acquire a big fish later. I hadn't previously been in a pick accumulation mood (because we had enough), but the Bridges move has me rethinking things.

[BatManu20]

I just hope that the Spurs publicly reported interest in Salaun at 8 is precisely to get the Blazers to take him at 7.

I agree, but I don't see that as the case tbh. I think they're legitimately interested in him as a stretch-4 next to Wemby. I think the French connection with Wemby and them same agent everything is very real and hard to ignore, especially with him cancelling all his workouts and interviews after his workout with the Spurs. Sounds like there could potentially be a promise there at 8. They want to better the ball club, but they also want to appease their star player and drafting Salaun I think would certainly do that. Could be wrong but I think there's serious interest there. Barring a trade, the only 2 players I could see the Spurs seriously considering over him are Carter and Williams.

[BatManu20]

All of the picks NYK just sent to BKN for Bridges are projected to be late in the first. I'm looking to get those picks from MEM not to use them in the draft, but to trade to acquire a big fish later. I hadn't previously been in a pick accumulation mood (because we had enough), but the Bridges move has me rethinking things.

I get it in theory, and if they had a specific target in mind or a player already lined up to trade for if they made said trade for picks then I might agree. But, I'm personally not passing on Castle, who is my pet cat in this draft and who I believe has future All-Star potential, for 2-3 late 1st Rounders which may or may not potentially be traded down the line for a star player. I'm taking the guy who I think has the chance to be an All-Star caliber player if he can start shooting at a higher clip, something most young players improve upon early in their careers.

[CGD]

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Shepard will be a Spur…

[scott]

I get it in theory, and if they had a specific target in mind or a player already lined up to trade for if they made said trade for picks then I might agree. But, I'm personally not passing on Castle, who is my pet cat in this draft and who I believe has future All-Star potential, for 2-3 late 1st Rounders which may or may not potentially be traded down the line for a star player. I'm taking the guy who I think has the chance to be an All-Star caliber player if he can start shooting at a higher clip, something most young players improve upon early in their careers.

I get it if you definitely have strong positive feeling about certain guys you can only get up at 4. After all the discussion of prospects, I'm kind of the opposite... they're all kind of equal in appeal to me (other than Salaun and Topic, who I do not want). At this point, I'm just as happy with Williams and Carter at 8/9 as I am with Castle and Knecht (for example) at 4/8.

[Uriel]

Wow. Welcome to San Antonio, Reed Sheppard.

[BatManu20]

KOC doesn’t even have Risacher in his top-10 of the his final Big Board on this draft :lol

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[scott]

We need HOU to take that MEM deal (which may be really appealing to them - as they'd get more FRPs to throw in a trade for their star hunt). That's our best chance at getting Reed.

[BatManu20]

I do see Edey going higher than projected despite there not being much noise around him. I had him mocked to OKC 12 last month and wouldn’t be surprised with that outcome.

[djohn2oo8]

We need HOU to take that MEM deal (which may be really appealing to them - as they'd get more FRPs to throw in a trade for their star hunt). That's our best chance at getting Reed.
Whether it’s Memphis or not, it’s increasingly likely #3 will be going elsewhere.

[scott]

I do see Edey going higher than projected despite there not being much noise around him. I had him mocked to OKC 12 last month and wouldn’t be surprised with that outcome.

I think he makes a ton of sense for LAL at 17, but I agree... I'm not sure he lasts that long. OKC at 12 and POR at 14 are other landing spots that I think make a ton of sense.

[BatManu20]

Whether it’s Memphis or not, it’s increasingly likely #3 will be going elsewhere.

What makes you so confident tbh. Aside from the standard rumors, is there something we don't know?

[BatManu20]

I think he makes a ton of sense for LAL at 17, but I agree... I'm not sure he lasts that long. OKC at 12 and POR at 14 are other landing spots that I think make a ton of sense.

Yea I've been seeing a lot of rumors surrounding him to the Lakers, but them and OKC are exactly where I don't want him to go tbh. While he has his flaws, he would give LAL someone to throw at Joker defensively in the Playoffs and I don't want them to have that option.

[djohn2oo8]

What makes you so confident tbh. Aside from the standard rumors, is there something we don't know?
At some point, they are going to have to start paying guys. And it seems that teams might really want Clingan and will give up something decent to get him. Reports say there are multiple offers that include multiple picks. If that’s true and there’s that kind of demand, for the Rockets they have to do it. The trade they made yesterday makes me think they do something tonight as well. We will see.

[SpursFan86]

Trying not to get excited about Sheppard because it’s still probably a long shot (even if Clingan does go 3rd, the Spurs might go in another direction)…but fuck, this might happen.

[djohn2oo8]

Also, it makes sense to wait til the last possible moment to see if teams give up protections on their picks.

[BatManu20]

At some point, they are going to have to start paying guys. And it seems that teams might really want Clingan and will give up something decent to get him. Reports say there are multiple offers that include multiple picks. If that’s true and there’s that kind of demand, for the Rockets they have to do it. The trade they made yesterday makes me think they do something tonight as well. We will see.

Don't give Reed fanboys like DPG21920 hope tbh.

[DPG21920]

Don't give Reed fanboys like DPG21920 hope tbh.

Im good with basically all scenarios :lol

But it will be great when my trade ideas come to fruition :drunk

[Joseph Kony]

I'm going to lol so hard when Sheppard is there at 4 and Spurs take Salaun instead :lol the meltdown here will be worth it

Slovenian serves won't be able to handle the traffic and the forum will crash for another week

[SpursGenius]

Castle is the best player in draft dont want one trick pony 6'2 whiteboy shooter

[SpursGenius]

I had Topic/ Salaun months ago before anyone in here.

After the Topic injury then I switched to Castle/Salaun and now I'm saying there's a possibility of getting all with a trade to get Topic but expect at least two of these three.
Castle and Saluan would be best draft we can hope for

[Mr. Body]

My call is that the offers for 3 aren't as attractive as Houston wants and that's why their reporter dropped the news about "multiple teams."

[BatManu20]

My call is that the offers for 3 aren't as attractive as Houston wants and that's why their reporter dropped the news about "multiple teams."

Agreed. Think if a trade up for Clingan does take place, it'll be at 5 with DET or even 6 with CHA where the price won't be so steep. And that's more-so the range where Clingan belongs imo.

[Mr. Body]

Agreed. Think if a trade up for Clingan does take place, it'll be at 5 with DET or even 6 with CHA where the price won't be so steep. And that's more-so the range where Clingan belongs imo.

You mean Memphis going up? I agree.

[djohn2oo8]

My call is that the offers for 3 aren't as attractive as Houston wants and that's why their reporter dropped the news about "multiple teams."
Possibly. It could be they want protections removed.

[Raven]

think clingan and edey are massively underrated by mock drafts.. players with that size don't come often at all, and good offensive players are much harder to hide. The value is clearly on the bigs in this draft.

[exstatic]

think clingan and edey are massively underrated by mock drafts.. players with that size don't come often at all, and good offensive players are much harder to hide. The value is clearly on the bigs in this draft.

Size isn’t it anymore. 10 years ago, they would have gone 1/2. I also don’t see Clingan being underrated. Memphis wants to trade to 3 to get him.

[baseline bum]

I'm going to lol so hard when Sheppard is there at 4 and Spurs take Salaun instead :lol the meltdown here will be worth it

Slovenian serves won't be able to handle the traffic and the forum will crash for another week

If the Spurs pass on Sheppard or Castle for Salaun I'm going to post walls of tranny porn like was it FkLA did back in the day.

[Maddog]

Gonna need more hamsters
https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/caged-hamsters-sale-malang-january-260nw-2408542919.jpg

[rascal]

My call is that the offers for 3 aren't as attractive as Houston wants and that's why their reporter dropped the news about "multiple teams."

Portland might be a team that trades up for that 3rd pick sending 7 and 14 to Houston for 3 and a player. Portland could have interest in Clingan

[Raven]

Size isn’t it anymore. 10 years ago, they would have gone 1/2. I also don’t see Clingan being underrated. Memphis wants to trade to 3 to get him.

meh.. seemed pretty important in the west this year.

[Uriel]

Wasserman of B/R reporting that Buzelis had his best workout with… the San Antonio Spurs.

[BatManu20]

Wasserman of B/R reporting that Buzelis had his best workout with… the San Antonio Spurs.

Goddammit. Want nothing to do with that insecure chode after blocked me on Twitter tbh :lol

[CGD]

Wasserman of B/R reporting that Buzelis had his best workout with… the San Antonio Spurs.

According to… Buzelis

[Maddog]

Wasserman of B/R reporting that Buzelis had his best workout with… the San Antonio Spurs.

OK
Buzelis
Salaun

The server will crash

[BackHome]

That would be a Nightmare :dizzy

[td4mvp2k]

Wasserman of B/R reporting that Buzelis had his best workout with… the San Antonio Spurs.
I think its him or castle at 4 imo

[Excessive Egotist]

My favored strategy for the day is to draft Clingan at 4, hold him for ransom, and take back a package of picks or picks plus players for him.

#7 and Simons or Sharpe from Portland.

#9 and two protected FRPs from Memphis.

These sort of variations.

To put names to it, trade Clingan for Castle and Shaedon Sharpe. Or Clingan for Saluan and Devin Carter and two protected future FRPs. This seems like the best possible day for the Spurs.

Like everyone else, I'm also down for Keldon plus a future first to Detroit in exchange for 5.

[DAF86]

Castle is the best player in draft dont want one trick pony 6'2 whiteboy shooter

Sheppard is anything but a one-trick pony. In fact, one could argue Castle is more of a one-trick pony than Sheppard, tbh.

[Russ]

If the Spurs pass on Sheppard or Castle for Salaun I'm going to post walls of tranny porn like was it FkLA did back in the day.

For once, your hyperbole might be warranted. :lol

[SpursFan86]

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Let’s gooooooooo :lol

[Ariel]

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Let’s gooooooooo :lol
Don't celebrate too soon... in anticipation of this, the Spurs pick him at no. 4..:

[Pauleta14]

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Let’s gooooooooo :lol


Could also mean they'll have to take him at 4... :lol

[Raven]

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Let’s gooooooooo :lol

uff, that would be glorious

[Ariel]

Sheppard is anything but a one-trick pony. In fact, one could argue Castle is more of a one-trick pony than Sheppard, tbh.
Castle is "an all but one" trick pony. It so happens that the one trick he misses is the most important one.

[rascal]

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Let’s gooooooooo :lol

They are trying to bait the spurs into taking him at 4 because they want Castle.

[DAF86]

Castle is "an all but one" trick pony. It so happens that the one trick he misses is the most important one.

Is he really? He doesn't rebound at a high clip, he doesn't get steals, he's a bad 3pt shooter, he's a bad spot up shooter, he doesn't shoot off screens, he doesn't pullup, he's mid athletically, he's not a primary playmaker. All he really does good for now is defend college kids and finish over college kids. That's it.

[djohn2oo8]

Lmao at somebody from the Rockets feeding Stephen A information to break up the Suns

[DAF86]

Is he really? He doesn't rebound at a high clip, he doesn't get steals, he's a bad 3pt shooter, he's a bad spot up shooter, he doesn't shoot off screens, he doesn't pullup, he's mid athletically, he's not a primary playmaker. All he really does good for now is defend college kids and finish over college kids. That's it.

I forgot to mention he's also a bad midrange shooter. timvp won't let me edit posts.

[objective]

Is he really? He doesn't rebound at a high clip, he doesn't get steals, he's a bad 3pt shooter, he's a bad spot up shooter, he doesn't shoot off screens, he doesn't pullup, he's mid athletically, he's not a primary playmaker. All he really does good for now is defend college kids and finish over college kids. That's it.

And a lot of that finishing over college kids looked difficult, not buying into BoukCastle.

[baseline bum]

Is he really? He doesn't rebound at a high clip, he doesn't get steals, he's a bad 3pt shooter, he's a bad spot up shooter, he doesn't shoot off screens, he doesn't pullup, he's mid athletically, he's not a primary playmaker. All he really does good for now is defend college kids and finish over college kids. That's it.

It's always good to finish over college kids

[DAF86]

It's always good to finish over college kids

No Diddy.

[CGD]

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Let’s gooooooooo :lol

Just like Bilal last year, Wemby just made this MF’er a cool 5M more than had they not been close buds. Wild

[ace3g]

"With the 6th pick in the 2024 NBA Draft the Hornets select Tidjane Salaun.....................for the San Antonio Spurs; there's been a trade."

[DAF86]

"With the 6th pick in the 2024 NBA Draft the Hornets select Tidjane Salaun.....................for the San Antonio Spurs; there's been a trade."

Spurs are giving up #8, the Hornets pick back, Atlanta's 25 and Victor Wembanyama.

[rascal]

I forgot to mention he's also a bad midrange shooter. timvp won't let me edit posts.

He shot the ball better than Dillingham and Sheppard inside the free throw line.

[benefactor]

He shot the ball better than Dillingham and Sheppard inside the free throw line.
:lol

[exstatic]

Castle is "an all but one" trick pony. It so happens that the one trick he misses is the most important one.

Reed isn’t going to develop 6’7” height. Castle might shoot better.

[DAF86]

Reed isn’t going to develop 6’7” height. Castle might shoot better.

Castle isn't going to develop 6'10" height. Risacher might become an all-star.

See how that works?

[DAF86]

He shot the ball better than Dillingham and Sheppard inside the free throw line.

Because he wouldn't shoot anything but layups, tbh.

[exstatic]

Castle isn't going to develop 6'10" height. Risacher might become an all-star.

See how that works?

I don’t care if castle grows to 6’10”. His overall skills package shits on Risacher, and he has upside tails at 3 positions with his current height.

[SpursBills]

I don’t care if castle grows to 6’10”. His overall skills package shits on Risacher, and he has upside tails at 3 positions with his current height.

Where are Castle and Topic on your big board now?

[timvp]

Salaun is almost the betting favorite to go 6 now. Hmm.

[BatManu20]

Wizards def taking Risacher if Sarr goes 1, which I assume the Wizards learned he is if they’re making this trade.

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[exstatic]

Where are Castle and Topic on your big board now?

:lol in timvp’s contest thread, I had the Spurs picking them at 4 and 8. I think Castle is probably high on the Spurs board, and Topic could be in their top 10.

[scottspurs]

Tonight could show the direction the Spurs want to go in. If they draft 2 defensive prospects could very well mean they think Wemby can carry the team offensively. If they draft two offensive oriented players could be signaling the spurs think Wemby is a one man destroyer on defense. Could be a mixture of both. Personally I think the easiest thing to teach is defense. Much harder to develop a player offensively. Spurs defense is more of a system defense anyway and in theory they have the one perimeter stopper they need with Sochan.

With the NBA trending towards scoring and more scoring I prefer an offensive powerhouse over defense, but I do get the appeal of creating a lockdown defense.

Combinations that could lay the groundwork for a powerhouse offense include.

Sheppard and Knecht

Risacher and Topic

Buzelis and Dillingham

Or you could create a lockdown defense with a combination like:

Castle and Devin Carter

Clingan and Carter

Cody Williams and Salaun (I know he is not a defender yet but potential yada yada yada)

Ultimately I think the NBA will continue to favor offense, but I’m excited to see what goes down tonight!

[Mr. Body]

Salaun is almost the betting favorite to go 6 now. Hmm.

Salaun better take Victor out to a nice steak dinner every time he sees him.

[DAF86]

Wizards def taking Risacher if Sarr goes 1, which I assume the Wizards learned he is if they’re making this trade.

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I wonder who they target at 14, McCain, Carrington?

[SpursBills]

:lol in timvp’s contest thread, I had the Spurs picking them at 4 and 8. I think Castle is probably high on the Spurs board, and Topic could be in their top 10.

I remember you were very high on Topic at the beginning of the year - I assume Castle/Topic are top 2 on your personal big board right now? Or have you cooled on Topic in light of his recent measurements and injury history

[Knoxxx]

Castle plus Dilly baby, let’s do it!

On a side note, I got my wife to watch the draft lottery so now she’s all amped and invested in watching the actual draft tonight. She gets pretty desperate in between seasons of Survivor!

[CGD]

Wizards def taking Risacher if Sarr goes 1, which I assume the Wizards learned he is if they’re making this trade.

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Nah, the new FO team here has consistently stated they wanted 2 lotto picks in this draft. I think we are just seeing a house cleaning in earnest, which the Wiz definitely need (tho I’ve always liked Deni). They just want talent in.

[CGD]

I wonder who they target at 14, McCain, Carrington?

McCain-Bilal-Sarr would be the start of something interesting.

Trade away the trash like Poole, Kuzma etc

[CGD]

^ but better yet Carter! That would give WAS an identity.

[Dverde]

https://x.com/nba/status/1806081668236587332?s=46
Clowns are all dressed up and at the circus now

[rascal]

Salaun is almost the betting favorite to go 6 now. Hmm.

Let him go then.The Spurs better not panic and draft him at 4.

[scott]

Final KOC mock (after POR-WAS trade) has us taking Buz and Knecht. https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft/

Some other interesting wrinkles: Ryan Dunn goes 16 to PHI. Edey to OKC @ 12. Topic to WAS @ 14.

He has Tyler Smith falling to 36 (we take Nunez at 35). If Smith is there at 35, I hope we take him.

[rascal]

Sarr is going to end up in Portland.

[Raven]

strange trade for the wizz

[Mr. Body]

Sarr is going to end up in Portland.

Wrong plane or what?

[DAF86]

^ but better yet Carter! That would give WAS an identity.

I don't think Carter lasts to 14.

[DAF86]

Final KOC mock (after POR-WAS trade) has us taking Buz and Knecht. https://nbadraft.theringer.com/mock-draft/

Some other interesting wrinkles: Ryan Dunn goes 16 to PHI. Edey to OKC @ 12. Topic to WAS @ 14.

He has Tyler Smith falling to 36 (we take Nunez at 35). If Smith is there at 35, I hope we take him.

I was forgetting Topic. The Wizards wanted Topic at 2 before the injury. It makes sense they take him at 14.

[rascal]

Wrong plane or what?

Portland is going to make it happen.

[DAF86]

https://x.com/nba/status/1806081668236587332?s=46
Clowns are all dressed up and at the circus now

Dilly looking like Urkel. Reed like an accountant.

[Blizzardwizard]

Reed Sheppard's odds to go #1 have tumbled in the last hours. From +10,000 on DraftKings to +3000.


That might be the funniest outcome possible.


Woj just said that Sheppard is/was in serious consideration to #1 right until the end. Guess that odds plummet wasn't for nothing even if they do go with Risacher.

[BatManu20]

Woj says Hawks are “zeroing in” on Risacher. He gone tbh.

[scott]

Sarr barely sounds French. Definitely never a real option for the Spurs based on this.

[Mr. Body]

Sarr barely sounds French. Definitely never a real option for the Spurs based on this.

Wemby doesn't sound french.

[BatManu20]

Why am I suddenly getting the feeling that we're going to draft Bustzelis tbh..

[scott]

Wemby doesn't sound french.

Have you ever heard Wemby speak? :lol

[BatManu20]

Woj says Hawks are “zeroing in” on Risacher. He gone tbh.


Barring a team trading up to 3 for Clingan, it looks like the top 3 are going to shape up how we’ve expected for a while now. Risacher, Sarr, and Sheppard, in that order. Then Castle/Matas/Salaun at 4?


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[Mr. Body]

Have you ever heard Wemby speak? :lol

Yes.

[scott]

So you've never heard French people speak. Thanks for clarifying.

[Mr. Body]

So you've never heard French people speak. Thanks for clarifying.

Yeah, those times I've been to France I wasn't listening.

[scott]

Yeah, those times I've been to France I wasn't listening.

Checks out, based on the reading comprehension you display on this website.

[Pauleta14]

Barring a team trading up to 3 for Clingan, it looks like the top 3 are going to shape up how we’ve expected for a while now. Risacher, Sarr, and Sheppard, in that order. Then Castle/Matas/Salaun at 4?


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https://x.com/BrettSiegelNBA/status/1806109545019666698

[3&D_TBH]

Let’s fucking go tbh. Smart picks.

[baseline bum]

Rubbing one out to that bitch in pink in Topic's entourage

[Pauleta14]

If WAS keeps the 14th pick I can see Topic falling to them

[3&D_TBH]

If Houston takes Clingan, we draft Shep. If not, we take Castle. Improvement either way tbh lfg

[BatManu20]

Castle wearing a Silver & Black suit :cry

[timtonymanu]

Is this the spoiler free thread?

[baseline bum]

Is this the spoiler free thread?

Woj and Shams aren't spoiling picks any more

[baseline bum]

With the way the Hawks front office was cheering I hope that doesn't mean they got the Spurs to trade #4 and #8 for French Harrison Barnes.

[skin27]

Hawks pick Risacher

[FireMicoHalili]

SA has so far not yet traded 4+8 for 1. Givony's rumor lmaoooo

[Devi8or]

Shams already posted the second pick

[baseline bum]

SA has so far not yet traded 4+8 for 1. Givony's rumor lmaoooo

Won't know until the Spurs are on the clock. Atlanta wouldn't trade Risacher without knowing who is on the board to pick at #4.

[baseline bum]

Shams already posted the second pick

Anyone could have posted that one :lol

[baseline bum]

So does Houston take the obvious fit in Sheppard or are they taking Clingan for a Durant trade?

[skin27]

Sarr the next kwame brown?

[cd98]

Sham said Sheppard at 3.

[Pauleta14]

Reed to Houston smh

[Devi8or]

He just posted the next! Lol

[baseline bum]

Oh fuck me, Tijuan Salaun are you fucking serious Wright?