2024 NBA Draft Thread

[Limguogolo]

No, the Bucks aren't running a 2 bigs lineup. Giannis came to the league as a SF. He played all his career as a perimeter player (PFs are perimeter players nowadays). He has perimeter player handles. In the 90's he would still be a 3. Only in this era he can become a full time PF and even a C at times. But this is only more evidence of why Wemby should play Center and only center.

Wemby, unlike Giannis, was always a center. He played center his entire formative years. He has good handles, FOR A CENTER. He will never be the ball handler that Giannis is, that's why he will never have a better floor game, and that's he will never be a PF.

It's wrong. You don't develop such skills by playing center. And in fact, in Nanterre, they did not form him as an interior. He wanted to play like a guard, he has guard skills. In the National French youth teams, Victor even said that the coaches have never understood his desire not to be classified as a center. It is thanks to the freedoms left by Nanterre that he plays like this: like a guard in an interior body. He has also always said that he preferred to play with another interior (typically, like Duncan). Last year he was never as good as with an inside before he got injured. I remain convinced that this is how he wants to play. He will develop center skills (this is not at all the case today even if there has been progress over the past three months), but he will always refuse to only do center moves. Which would be stupid considering that in reality, he's only been playing center for three months. He's a guard. Inevitably, real interior will be added to the starting team. Wait until you see what it looks like when he pairs with Gobert in Paris.

[DAF86]

It's wrong. You don't develop such skills by playing center. And in fact, in Nanterre, they did not form him as an interior. He wanted to play like a guard, he has guard skills. In the National French youth teams, Victor even said that the coaches have never understood his desire not to be classified as a center. It is thanks to the freedoms left by Nanterre that he plays like this: like a guard in an interior body. He has also always said that he preferred to play with another interior (typically, like Duncan). Last year he was never as good as with an inside before he got injured. I remain convinced that this is how he wants to play. He will develop center skills (this is not at all the case today even if there has been progress over the past three months), but he will always refuse to only do center moves. Which would be stupid considering that in reality, he's only been playing center for three months..

Why would you call "wrong" something that is factually correct and so easy to verify? Wemby played his entire career, ever since he was a kid, at the center positon. The skills he developed are a different matter. Just because you play center, it doesn't mean you can't shoot 3's if you're good at it. Jokic and Embiid developed "perimeter" skills too and you wouldn't say they aren't centers, would you?


he's only been playing center for three months..He's a guard. Inevitably, real interior will be added to the starting team. Wait until you see what it looks like when he pairs with Gobert in Paris

:lmao

You clearly haven't seen Wemby play in Mets 92, nor have read anything about Wemby coming up if you think he's been playing center for only 3 months. :lol

[Chinook]

That does bring up a good point though. The Spurs will have a chance to see Wemby play with other legit centers this summer. FIBA is a different game, but it's still valuable data that doesn't require a specific roster move to create.

[rascal]

Spurs winning games, can catch Charlotte and Portland and end up with the 5th worst record.

May end up with the 6th pick if they aren't careful with these late season wins.

[Ariel]

With 9 games to go, these are the current lottery standings:

#) TEAM: WINS
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Detroit: 12
Washington: 14
Spurs: 17
Charlotte: 18 (1 game pending)
Portland: 19 (8 losses in a row)
Toronto: 23 (12 losses in a row)
Memphis: 24
Brooklyn: 28

I think it's fair to say:

Detroit and Washington will be 1-2
Spurs, Charlotte and Portland will be 3-5
Toronto and Memphis will be 6-7

Given that Portland (not playing Grant, Simmons, Ayton, Thybulle, Brogdon and Sharpe) and Toronto are tanking their asses off (some injuries, a lot of them quite dubious), they might not win another game. That means Toronto likely finishes 6th (54% chance the pick conveys) and if the Spurs win 3 more games they might end up 5th.

The remaining games are as follows:


vs NY
vs GSW
@ Denver
@ NO
vs Philly
@ Memphis
@ OKC
vs Denver
vs Detroit

I think it's likely Detroit wants to win the last one since they'd have secured last place by then, that would leave Memphis as the most winnable game followed by Golden State, so Pop might want to work his magic to ensure a single win, 2 at most, which should be enough for shared 3rd place at worst.

[DAF86]

Meh, just win as much as you can and see if we can find something that works and translates into next season. This draft is so meh that I don't see a big difference between drafting 1st and 6th.

[Ariel]

If anything, Buzelis (or his agent) is hurting his value by going full keyboard warrior. that's an orange flag to me. Social media drama is definitely the kind of things GMs are attentive to with these young prospects.

And claiming you're better than another top prospect, when you proved nothing, is just not very smart and shows more insecurity and attention seeking than anything. Like Scoot claiming he should be the #1 pick in his draft. Some guys liked his confidence and that "dawg" back then... You can be humbled quickly.

Not to mention BB is a 5x5 game, not 1x1. Even being better on 1x1 (which remains to be proved) wouldn't necesseraliy make you a better prospect. Some guys kills it on the playground on 1x1, but can't play organised, team ball.

So yeah, badly inspired, counter-productive move by Buzelis.
Nah, he's a 19 y.o. kid who knows Risacher is his direct competitor that has a slight edge over him and wants a chance to turn it around. Of course it means nothing unless you back it up, but he needs the opportunity if he's to prove himself against him. He's a teenager, I'd take it as a sign of competitiveness and confidence rather than a flaw of character. Scoot saying he should go no. 1 last draft made him sound schizo rather than confident.

[DAF86]

Nah, he's a 19 y.o. kid who knows Risacher is his direct competitor that has a slight edge over him and wants a chance to turn it around. Of course it means nothing unless you back it up, but he needs the opportunity if he's to prove himself against him. He's a teenager, I'd take it as a sign of competitiveness and confidence rather than a flaw of character. Scoot saying he should go no. 1 last draft made him sound schizo rather than confident.

I could buy the first part, if you omitted the last part. Excusing Buzelis but clowning on Scoot just sounds biased. If anything, the Scoot comment is more reasonable since he isn't calling anyone out directly (even though everyone knew Wemby was going #1), he just said he should be drafted first, like any prospect would say. Buzelis is directly calling out a fellow prospect by name. That's weird, tbh.

[Ariel]

I could buy the first part, if you omitted the last part. Excusing Buzelis but clowning on Scoot just sounds biased. If anything, the Scoot comment is more reasonable since he isn't calling anyone out directly (even though everyone knew Wemby was going #1), he just said he should be drafted first, like any prospect would say. Buzelis is directly calling out a fellow prospect by name. That's weird, tbh.
Buzelis can realistically leapfrog Risacher if he significantly outperforms him in a workout. There was no universe where Scoot would go over Wemby, that came across as laughable and lacking self awareness.

[DAF86]

Buzelis can realistically leapfrog Risacher if he significantly outperforms him in a workout. There was no universe where Scoot would go over Wemby, that came accross as laughable and lacking self awareness.

Irrelevant. A prospect saying "I should be the #1 pick" is a perfectly normal comment that many guys have made over history. Calling out another prospect by name is weird as fuck, tbh. I really don't care either way, but out of those two, the "schizo" comment (if there's one) is the Buzelis' one, tbh.

[Pauleta14]

Buzelis can realistically leapfrog Risacher if he significantly outperforms him in a workout. There was no universe where Scoot would go over Wemby, that came across as laughable and lacking self awareness.

Not sure there’s ever been a doubt on Buzelis’s character, he even showed a nice personality during AS weekend. His comments at best only have effect on fans, scouts want to see him shoot the 3 better

[Ariel]

Meh, just win as much as you can and see if we can find something that works and translates into next season. This draft is so meh that I don't see a big difference between drafting 1st and 6th.
You can still go about finding something that works in the 6 games which you'd likely lose anyway, and in the remaining 3 you can simply "tinker a bit" with the lineups in the right moments (for example, leave Collins a bit longer than strictly necessary) and that's likely all you need to maximize your odds. Even if this is a flatter than usual class, it doesn't hurt picking a few slots earlier, whatever minimal differece there may be I find it to be quite a bit larger than messing up a quarter or two of a meaningless game.

[Ariel]

Irrelevant. A prospect saying "I should be the #1 pick" is a perfectly normal comment that many guys have made over history. Calling out another prospect by name is weird as fuck, tbh. I really don't care either way, but out of those two, the "schizo" comment (if there's one) is the Buzelis' one, tbh.
I'm not offended by Scoot's comments, I just found them dumb and unrealistic. Buzelis comments aren't dumb or unrealistic, they're intended to improve the chances of his desired outcome happening (having a workout alongside Risacher). It's commonplace in other sports, such as boxing, for instance. Not a big deal.

[DAF86]

You can still go about finding something that works in the 6 games which you'd likely lose anyway, and in the remaining 3 you can simply "tinker a bit" with the lineups in the right moments (for example, leave Collins a bit longer than strictly necessary) and that's likely all you need to maximize your odds. Even if this is a flatter than usual class, it doesn't hurt picking a few slots earlier, whatever minimal differece there may be I find it to be quite a bit larger than messing up a quarter or two of a meaningless game.

I just think that to build something within this core that translates positively to the next season, they need to finish off the games with wins.

And like I said, I'd rather draft Dillingham or Sheppard at 6 than having to forcefully take Sarr at 2 because you can't pass on the guy despite knowing that you won't have any use for the guy in the future. And I know that we can still trade down, but for what? A lower first and a future 2nd? (I don't think anybody will be giving up 2 first for any top prospect in this draft). I'd rather Wemby and co. to experience more winning.

[DAF86]

I'm not offended by Scoot's comments, I just found them dumb and unrealistic. Buzelis comments aren't dumb or unrealistic, they're intended to improve the chances of his desired outcome happening (having a workout alongside Risacher). It's commonplace in other sports, such as boxing, for instance. Not a big deal.

Except this isn't boxing, you don't need to bait another guy into a fight. Again, IDGF about Buzelis' comment, just saying that you can't say Scoot's vanilla "I feel I should be #1" comment, that many other guys have said over the years, is "schizo" and think Buzelis calling out a fellow prospect by name is normal, regardless of how close you think Buzelis is to Risacher in terms of skill.

[Ariel]

I just think that to build something within this core that translates positively to the next season, they need to finish off the games with wins.

And like I said, I'd rather draft Dillingham or Sheppard at 6 than having to forcefully take Sarr at 2 because you can't pass on the guy despite knowing that you won't have any use for the guy in the future. And I know that we can still trade down, but for what? A lower first and a future 2nd? (I don't think anybody will be giving up 2 first for any top prospect in this draft). I'd rather Wemby and co. to experience more winning.
There will be guards (Dillingham, Topic, Sheppard) available at 6-8, but the wings (Risacher, Buzelis) likely go top 5. If you have a single pick and you're looking at a guard, sure, picking 6-8 isn't the end of the world. But if you have 2 picks, I do think there's a big difference in having one of them top 5, than both of them outside that range.

[Ariel]

Except this isn't boxing, you don't need to bait another guy into a fight. Again, IDGF about Buzelis' comment, just saying that you can't say Scoot's vanilla "I feel I should be #1" comment, that many other guys have said over the years, is "schizo" and think Buzelis calling out a fellow prospect by name is normal, regardless of how close you think Buzelis is to Risacher in terms of skill.
:lol You're blowing this way out of proportion. Scoot can say whatever he wants, my point is that his comment served no purpose, while (even if you don't like it) Buzelis' does. None of them are morally reprehensible.

[DAF86]

There will be guards (Dillingham, Topic, Sheppard) available at 6-8, but the wings (Risacher, Buzelis) likely go top 5. If you have a single pick and you're looking at a guard, sure, picking 6-8 isn't the end of the world. But if you have 2 picks, I do think there's a big difference in having one of them top 5, than both of them outside that range.

I don't see Buzelis going top 5, tbh. But let's say he does, you still have Williams, Holland, Knecht, Salaun. A couple of those will go below 6.

[DAF86]

:lol You're blowing this way out of proportion. Scoot can say whatever he wants, my point is that his comment served no purpose, while (even if you don't like it) Buzelis' does. None of them are morally reprehensible.

I'm not. I literally said IDGF. :lol Just calling what I perceive as bias from your part, tbh. Or, at least, a failed reasoning. I think you are the only person in the World that thinks making a dime a dozen comment like "I should be selected #1" is "schizo", while a guy calling out a fellow prospect by name is normal, tbh. :lol

And, no, Buzelis' comment serves no purpose at all. The fuck's gonna happen? Rischer is gonna play him one on one, winner gets the #1 pick? :lol

[Ariel]

I don't see Buzelis going top 5, tbh. But let's say he does, you still have Williams, Holland, Knecht, Salaun. A couple of those will go below 6.
If you have all 6 of those guys in the same tier, sure, pick wherever you want. I don't, and I suspect we'll find out soon enough how the FO feels on the matter going by how they approach the next few games.

[Splits]

https://i.ibb.co/ynX59Vt/image.png

trade the #6 for an actual starter. Draft Knecht at #8. No more fucking teenagers

And please for the love of Allah stop winning

[Big Empty]

https://i.ibb.co/ynX59Vt/image.png

trade the #6 for an actual starter. Draft Knecht at #8. No more fucking teenagers

And please for the love of Allah stop winning
I like this. Draft Edey & Castle. Trade some #1s back to ATL for Trae. We set

[Pauleta14]

I'm not offended by Scoot's comments, I just found them dumb and unrealistic. Buzelis comments aren't dumb or unrealistic, they're intended to improve the chances of his desired outcome happening (having a workout alongside Risacher). It's commonplace in other sports, such as boxing, for instance. Not a big deal.

Well that’s the thing, it’s a team sport. Not individual. The skills required are multiple and 1vs1 isn’t the most important in certain players.

not a fan of Lebron PR Podcast with Reddick but he said something interesting about guys having “the bag” individually but not all the best of the team concepts.

Risacher isn’t supposed to be a 1vs1 player but a more fundamental one, with his passing and shooting being more valuable than his 1vs1

Buzelis (his agents probably) is just trying to clout chase maybe hoping scouts will forget about his shooting %.

It doesn’t sound brave at all and could even bring doubt regarding his character

[Ignazzz]

Nikola Toe-pitch
wrong

Nicola to pick ( in this draft) ;)

[JPB]

And like I said, I'd rather draft Dillingham or Sheppard at 6

They might be gone after #4 when all's said and done. Dilly is projected top 3 by several mock drafts.

[JPB]

Why would he want to. He's still projected in the top five and coming back from injury may struggle down the stretch and hurt his draft stock.

The thing is Topic is a pro player with a contract with Euroleague team Red Star of Belgrad he came back to last december after his loan to KK Mega Basket (one K close).

I do'nt know the term of the contract, but unless Red Star is OK with that, he's not supposed to act as he wishes. He's paid to play ball. Risacher or Sarr for example are also pros under contract with french and australian teams, they can't decide when they play or not. They have contractual obligations.

I understand there might be some comprehension and tolerance, and those teams wouldnt' rush their return before the draft, but a supposedly 3 to 4 weeks absence that's been lasting for 3 months, and counting, is something else. He barely played for them since his return. But again, they're OK with that I don't know.

[DAF86]

They might be gone after #4 when all's said and done. Dilly is projected top 3 by several mock drafts.

The chances of both being gone by 6 are very low, tbh.

[Splits]

Nicola to pick ( in this draft) ;)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZUw8LYOQ-g

[Bruno]

Spurs should really stop winning. Keeping that 3rd worst record is very important for the lottery.

Latest on Topic:
https://sportal.blic.rs/kosarka/evroliga/poznato-na-koga-zvezda-ne-racuna-u-madridu-sferopulos-dobio-pitanje-o-predugom-oporavku-topica-ovo-je-njegov-odgovor/2024032810555792829

Topic's coach in an interview given today:

Now he is in the last phase of rehabilitation. Practice with the ball, individually. Slowly, slowly, he will come to team training, first without contact, then with contact, and then he will be ready to play.

No Euroleague for Topic this season (their last game is on April 11th). After that, there will have ABA league playoffs but it seems highly unlikely he will receive heavy minutes given all the circumstances. Drafting Topic looks more and more like a leap of faith. I wouldn't be surprised if he end up not entering/staying in this year draft.

[mo7888]

I'm not. I literally said IDGF. :lol Just calling what I perceive as bias from your part, tbh. Or, at least, a failed reasoning. I think you are the only person in the World that thinks making a dime a dozen comment like "I should be selected #1" is "schizo", while a guy calling out a fellow prospect by name is normal, tbh. :lol

And, no, Buzelis' comment serves no purpose at all. The fuck's gonna happen? Rischer is gonna play him one on one, winner gets the #1 pick? :lol

I expect that after workouts Buzelis ends up top 4 and maybe top 3. That said, you're correct that there will be forwards of differing readiness in the 6-10 range.

Edited to add: I meant to respond to your comment below..

"I don't see Buzelis going top 5, tbh. But let's say he does, you still have Williams, Holland, Knecht, Salaun. A couple of those will go below 6."

[exstatic]

Spurs should really stop winning. Keeping that 3rd worst record is very important for the lottery.

Latest on Topic:
https://sportal.blic.rs/kosarka/evroliga/poznato-na-koga-zvezda-ne-racuna-u-madridu-sferopulos-dobio-pitanje-o-predugom-oporavku-topica-ovo-je-njegov-odgovor/2024032810555792829

Topic's coach in an interview given today:


No Euroleague for Topic this season (their last game is on April 11th). After that, there will have ABA league playoffs but it seems highly unlikely he will receive heavy minutes given all the circumstances. Drafting Topic looks more and more like a leap of faith. I wouldn't be surprised if he end up not entering/staying in this year draft.

No one pulls out of the draft as a top 3 prospect.

[Splits]

I expect that after workouts Buzelis ends up top 4 and maybe top 3. That said, you're correct that there will be forwards of differing readiness in the 6-10 range.

Edited to add: I meant to respond to your comment below..

"I don't see Buzelis going top 5, tbh. But let's say he does, you still have Williams, Holland, Knecht, Salaun. A couple of those will go below 6."

Buzelis will be Bustzeils and nobody in their right mind would draft this loser. He's a loser. Wouldn't even take him at #33

[onechance87]

want to draft a pg,Not just 1 but mutiple pg to make plays and run this team.

[thiste]

Would that be a welcome draw? I think it might. Warriors sure would love it :lmao

https://i.imgur.com/wKCgqy6.png

[mo7888]

Buzelis will be Bustzeils and nobody in their right mind would draft this loser. He's a loser. Wouldn't even take him at #33

Yup... I'm aware of your opinion...

[Ignazzz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZUw8LYOQ-g

https://m.facebook.com/watch/?v=1437763883817277

[Splits]

https://m.facebook.com/watch/?v=1437763883817277

like I would click on a facebook post

[duncan2150]

Spurs should really stop winning. Keeping that 3rd worst record is very important for the lottery.

Latest on Topic:
https://sportal.blic.rs/kosarka/evroliga/poznato-na-koga-zvezda-ne-racuna-u-madridu-sferopulos-dobio-pitanje-o-predugom-oporavku-topica-ovo-je-njegov-odgovor/2024032810555792829

Topic's coach in an interview given today:


No Euroleague for Topic this season (their last game is on April 11th). After that, there will have ABA league playoffs but it seems highly unlikely he will receive heavy minutes given all the circumstances. Drafting Topic looks more and more like a leap of faith. I wouldn't be surprised if he end up not entering/staying in this year draft.

Imo he played enough games to stay in this draft if he's in shape. He's a lock for the top 5/10 and i don't see the advantages of playing another year with red star.

[TD 21]

I could buy the first part, if you omitted the last part. Excusing Buzelis but clowning on Scoot just sounds biased. If anything, the Scoot comment is more reasonable since he isn't calling anyone out directly (even though everyone knew Wemby was going #1), he just said he should be drafted first, like any prospect would say. Buzelis is directly calling out a fellow prospect by name. That's weird, tbh.

:tu Good to see you call out racial bias like this (funny how the black guy is always stupid and arrogant and the white guy is always smart and competitive).

See, it doesn't mean you're mad or race baiting or anything else, other than you saw some bullshit and called it out. Well done.

[exstatic]

Would that be a welcome draw? I think it might. Warriors sure would love it :lmao

https://i.imgur.com/wKCgqy6.png

I don’t think GS would be up for another raw prospect big man after Wiseman busted.

[Kevin]

Not sure where else to put this but since Sengun went down with injury the Rockets moved Amen Thompson to C and he's flourishing. He's averaging 15/9/3 while shooting 60% since Sengun got injured. Weird developmental turn for a guy who was supposed to be a PG.

[exstatic]

Not sure where else to put this but since Sengun went down with injury the Rockets moved Amen Thompson to C and he's flourishing. He's averaging 15/9/3 while shooting 60% since Sengun got injured. Weird developmental turn for a guy who was supposed to be a PG.

He can’t shoot, like at all. Makes Sochan look like Steph Curry. Those numbers will drop back to their former values when he’s asked to go back to-the perimeter.

[Kevin]

He can’t shoot, like at all. Makes Sochan look like Steph Curry. Those numbers will drop back to their former values when he’s asked to go back to-the perimeter.

With Sengun out for the season he'll be at C the rest of the way. It will create an interesting front court dilemma for the Rockets next year.

Looking over the Rockets roster and they have some promising young guns. Jabari Smith has taken a nice step forward in year two and Jalen Green is exploding plus Sengun. I'd take all of those guys over Vessel at this point in everyone's career. Thank god for Wemby.

[DAF86]

:tu Good to see you call out racial bias like this (funny how the black guy is always stupid and arrogant and the white guy is always smart and competitive).

See, it doesn't mean you're mad or race baiting or anything else, other than you saw some bullshit and called it out. Well done.

Like I told you, bro, I call out inconsistency regardless of colour, tbh. :lol

[Chinook]

Not sure where else to put this but since Sengun went down with injury the Rockets moved Amen Thompson to C and he's flourishing. He's averaging 15/9/3 while shooting 60% since Sengun got injured. Weird developmental turn for a guy who was supposed to be a PG.

Is he guarding centers and playing inside? From what I heard, Smith is their starting center, which means Thompson is would be their SG or SF.

[spurraider21]

Spurs should really stop winning. Keeping that 3rd worst record is very important for the lottery.
i mean yeah, but this isnt a wemby draft where im so overly concerned about maximizing every possible percentage point im off my seat celebrating a dramatic 2OT loss to detroit.

obviously id rather draft #4 than #5, but the difference this year doesnt seem significant at all. id rather the team get some wins tbh

the raptors pick conveying or not is more consequential than whether the spurs pick #1 or #5 imo

[Bruno]

Imo he played enough games to stay in this draft if he's in shape. He's a lock for the top 5/10 and i don't see the advantages of playing another year with red star.
He won't do it to be drafted higher in 2025 but he might think that the best for his development is to play a full season in Euroleague before joining the NBA.

[DPG21920]

I would love to come away with 2 of these 5 guys (In no particular order):

Cody Williams
Reed Sheppard
Matas Buzelis
Zaccharie Risacher
Rob Dillingham

[spurraider21]

I would love to come away with 2 of these 5 guys (In no particular order):

Cody Williams
Reed Sheppard
Matas Buzelis
Zaccharie Risacher
Rob Dillingham
really curious about this year's measurables

[baseline bum]

I would love to come away with 2 of these 5 guys (In no particular order):

Cody Williams
Reed Sheppard
Matas Buzelis
Zaccharie Risacher
Rob Dillingham

Think they'll probably be gone by the Toronto pick if it conveys though, with Williams the only one who I think has much of a chance to still be there at 7 or 8. Tough call between Knecht, Castle, and Topic if those five + Sarr are off the board for the Spurs second first round pick.

[DPG21920]

Think they'll probably be gone by the Toronto pick if it conveys though, with Williams the only one who I think has much of a chance to still be there at 7 or 8. Tough call between Knecht, Castle, and Topic if those five + Sarr are off the board for the Spurs second first round pick.

I think, that if Spurs had TOR pick at 7 or 8 and really wanted someone who might not make it past 5 for example, that they could pretty easily trade up…

[DPG21920]

really curious about this year's measurables

Reed + Dillingham aren’t my favorites due to size, but I cant help but think how much better the bench would be with a player like Reed (legit defensive ability even though undersized + legit 3PT shooting) in place of Branham for example.

[TD 21]

With Sengun out for the season he'll be at C the rest of the way. It will create an interesting front court dilemma for the Rockets next year.

Looking over the Rockets roster and they have some promising young guns. Jabari Smith has taken a nice step forward in year two and Jalen Green is exploding plus Sengun. I'd take all of those guys over Vessel at this point in everyone's career. Thank god for Wemby.

Nah, it's too soon to deduce that Sengun and Green can't play or be optimized together or make a decision on one or the other. The reality is, they need both performing like stars to have a long term ceiling that's potentially higher than low end playoff team.

Let's face it though, if Sengun were black and Green were white, the national media would have been playing the "Ewing theory" game long ago.



Is he guarding centers and playing inside? From what I heard, Smith is their starting center, which means Thompson is would be their SG or SF.

The matchups defensively are opponent dependent, but Thompson is essentially playing as the nominal center on offense. He's either the roll man or in the dunker spot.

[scott]

As much as it might hurt Spurs fans to admit, the Rockets have put together a nice roster of talented young players (Sengun, Green, Jabari, Eason, Whitmore, Amen) and still have another top 10 FRP coming their way this year. exstatic likes to say that they spent a bunch of money to get nowhere, but they're actually exactly where the Spurs need to be a year from now: in play-in contention as their youth continues to develop and grow.

FVV is an overpay at $40MM/year, but it's only a two year deal while the Rockets have the core of their lineup on cheap rookie deals and they don't need the cap space (and they are well below the tax line). I don't like Dillon Brooks AT ALL, but his deal isn't that bad. 4/86 is probably around what a Tobias Harris will cost, and Brooks is 4 years younger. Brooks is on a declining deal that will only be 11.7% of the (projected) cap in the last year.

Short-term overpays is actually a pretty decent strategy while your team is filled with a lot of young dudes on rookie deals. Unfortunately the Spurs are already past that with Devin. The Rockets will have FVV rolling off right when Green and Sengun's extension kick in, it's smart business. You can see this is what the Spurs might have been trying to do with Collins' extension, unfortunately Zach has just stunk up the joint this year.

[SpursBills]

As much as it might hurt Spurs fans to admit, the Rockets have put together a nice roster of talented young players (Sengun, Green, Jabari, Eason, Whitmore, Amen) and still have another top 10 FRP coming their way this year. exstatic (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20) likes to say that they spent a bunch of money to get nowhere, but they're actually exactly where the Spurs need to be a year from now: in play-in contention as their youth continues to develop and grow.

FVV is an overpay at $40MM/year, but it's only a two year deal while the Rockets have the core of their lineup on cheap rookie deals and they don't need the cap space (and they are well below the tax line). I don't like Dillon Brooks AT ALL, but his deal isn't that bad. 4/86 is probably around what a Tobias Harris will cost, and Brooks is 4 years younger. Brooks is on a declining deal that will only be 11.7% of the (projected) cap in the last year.

Short-term overpays is actually a pretty decent strategy while your team is filled with a lot of young dudes on rookie deals. Unfortunately the Spurs are already past that with Devin. The Rockets will have FVV rolling off right when Green and Sengun's extension kick in, it's smart business. You can see this is what the Spurs might have been trying to do with Collins' extension, unfortunately Zach has just stunk up the joint this year.

Houston has taken basically the opposite approach to SA and they have been one of the best drafting teams in the last 5 years. Jabari, Jalen Green, and Amen were consensus picks at their draft slot. But Houston's thing is that they do not give a fuck about any perceived "red flags" that a prospect has as long as he can ball. You can tell with a lot of the Spurs draft picks that they want to play a certain style and get guys who can either play that style or that they can develop to play that style. Derrick White. Luka Samanic. Josh Primo. Jeremy Sochan. They want to emphasis positional size with + passing for position and guys with good "feel". They basically want OKC's dribble-pass-shoot system but with positional size defensively, and they've tried to get guys to fit that. Sometimes it works out, but we've seen that many times it doesn't. Even when it does work out, it often take years before we know because the spurs prioritize development and fitting into a system.

Houston is the opposite. I think they just draft talent and figure out a system later. Alperen Sengun (monster production in a great league but short arms, not an ideal defender, positionally awkward). Tari Eason (monster defensive production and versatility, great frame, but possibly low feel with very low AS:TO, plays out of control). Cam Whitmore (youth, athleticism, scoring but possibly low feel, very low AS:TO, injury concerns). These guys were all ballers who slipped due to perceived "red flags" that Houston just does not give a fuck about, and it's worked out quite well for them. Even other acquisitions - Dillon Brooks (great defender, tough, but sort of a clown). Ime Udoka (great coach, brings culture, but apparently a womanizer and questionable human being). Houston's been one of the best talent acquisition teams over the last 5 years because of that philosophy, which is exactly what you have to do if you don't luck into a generational prospect.

[exstatic]

As much as it might hurt Spurs fans to admit, the Rockets have put together a nice roster of talented young players (Sengun, Green, Jabari, Eason, Whitmore, Amen) and still have another top 10 FRP coming their way this year. exstatic likes to say that they spent a bunch of money to get nowhere, but they're actually exactly where the Spurs need to be a year from now: in play-in contention as their youth continues to develop and grow.

FVV is an overpay at $40MM/year, but it's only a two year deal while the Rockets have the core of their lineup on cheap rookie deals and they don't need the cap space (and they are well below the tax line). I don't like Dillon Brooks AT ALL, but his deal isn't that bad. 4/86 is probably around what a Tobias Harris will cost, and Brooks is 4 years younger. Brooks is on a declining deal that will only be 11.7% of the (projected) cap in the last year.

Short-term overpays is actually a pretty decent strategy while your team is filled with a lot of young dudes on rookie deals. Unfortunately the Spurs are already past that with Devin. The Rockets will have FVV rolling off right when Green and Sengun's extension kick in, it's smart business. You can see this is what the Spurs might have been trying to do with Collins' extension, unfortunately Zach has just stunk up the joint this year.

Didn’t anticipate them going on a heater, minus Sengün. They were a solid 4-5 games out of the play in. I still think they should have tanked to protect the final year of a 1-4 protected pick that goes to OKC if outside that range.

[exstatic]

Houston has taken basically the opposite approach to SA and they have been one of the best drafting teams in the last 5 years. Jabari, Jalen Green, and Amen were consensus picks at their draft slot. But Houston's thing is that they do not give a fuck about any perceived "red flags" that a prospect has as long as he can ball. You can tell with a lot of the Spurs draft picks that they want to play a certain style and get guys who can either play that style or that they can develop to play that style. Derrick White. Luka Samanic. Josh Primo. Jeremy Sochan. They want to emphasis positional size with + passing for position and guys with good "feel". They basically want OKC's dribble-pass-shoot system but with positional size defensively, and they've tried to get guys to fit that. Sometimes it works out, but we've seen that many times it doesn't. Even when it does work out, it often take years before we know because the spurs prioritize development and fitting into a system.

Houston is the opposite. I think they just draft talent and figure out a system later. Alperen Sengun (monster production in a great league but short arms, not an ideal defender, positionally awkward). Tari Eason (monster defensive production and versatility, great frame, but possibly low feel with very low AS:TO, plays out of control). Cam Whitmore (youth, athleticism, scoring but possibly low feel, very low AS:TO, injury concerns). These guys were all ballers who slipped due to perceived "red flags" that Houston just does not give a fuck about, and it's worked out quite well for them. Even other acquisitions - Dillon Brooks (great defender, tough, but sort of a clown). Ime Udoka (great coach, brings culture, but apparently a womanizer and questionable human being). Houston's been one of the best talent acquisition teams over the last 5 years because of that philosophy, which is exactly what you have to do if you don't luck into a generational prospect.

I like Sengün and Smith, but Eason and Green are ding dongs. I dont want ballers. I’m not looking for crowd pleasing plays. I’ve lived through the early Robinson years, when that’s all we were. I want guys who understand the rocker step,the triple threat position, how to reverse the ball, how to set AND come off of a good pick.

[Ditty]

I am one of the biggest Topic supporters on here but even I am now getting annoyed by this injury. He could be everything we could be looking for at the PG position if his biggest concerns -- 3 point shooting & defense -- are at least average.

Castle is starting to get my attention again...

As far as draft position, as long as we are picks 3 or 4. I think the Spurs will get their #1 or at worst #2 guy, as I think Sarr will be a top 2 pick and don't think the Spurs will have any interest in him unless he falls to the TOR pick (If we get it this year).

[spurraider21]

I am one of the biggest Topic supporters on here but even I am now getting annoyed by this injury. He could be everything we could be looking for at the PG position if his biggest concerns -- 3 point shooting & defense -- are at least average.

Castle is starting to get my attention again...

As far as draft position, as long as we are picks 3 or 4. I think the Spurs will get their #1 or at worst #2 guy, as I think Sarr will be a top 2 pick and don't think the Spurs will have any interest in him unless he falls to the TOR pick (If we get it this year).
Risacher and Castle would be a nice outcome. Castle has grown on me as well. or if we wind up picking like 6 and 8 then castle + knecht/sheppard or somethin. i know rascal has been high on castle all along

[BackHome]

With the Spurs going on a super HOT streak people need to be realistic with our first pick being in the 4 to 6 range which makes it even harder to find someone I really like.

[scott]

I like Sengün and Smith, but Eason and Green are ding dongs. I dont want ballers. I’m not looking for crowd pleasing plays. I’ve lived through the early Robinson years, when that’s all we were. I want guys who understand the rocker step,the triple threat position, how to reverse the ball, how to set AND come off of a good pick.

I think in evaluating the "Houston model" in how it might apply to the Spurs, I think we can ignore the exact players. The Spurs are gonna draft "Spursy" guys while the Rockets will draft guys who fit their mold (ballas, don't care about red flags).

Beyond that, assuming the Spurs successfully hit on their picks, I think the Spurs should be thinking similar to what HOU did this last season: short term overpay on a transitional player (while the rest of our roster is cheap), moderate contract for a useful vet. For the Spurs, maybe that's something like a two-year overpay for Chris Paul (yuck, but don't focus so much on Paul, he's just an example here) while someone like Topic backs him up and learns, and a 4/70 deal for a Grayson Allen type.

Again, not so much advocating for certain players as much as I am trying to find the path forward, because I don't think just sitting and drafting and hoping it works out is the way to go. We need a mix of vets in meaningful roles to help keep this ship going in the right direction.

[SpursBills]

I like Sengün and Smith, but Eason and Green are ding dongs. I dont want ballers. I’m not looking for crowd pleasing plays. I’ve lived through the early Robinson years, when that’s all we were. I want guys who understand the rocker step,the triple threat position, how to reverse the ball, how to set AND come off of a good pick.

Yeah, I think it'll be really interesting to see in a couple years how Jeremy Sochan compares to Tari Eason.
Eason was 2 years older when they got drafted but was both subjectively and objectively a better defender, more athletic, and had far better defensive statistical indicators and a better frame as well as a better shooting signal. Before he got injured, he was crushing Sochan this year in terms of impact.

Personally, I'm very optimistic regarding Sochan's development and I think he ends up as the better player in the long run, but it will be an interesting to follow them assuming both stay healthy as they were both defense-first forwards who were mocked in a similar range (late lottery to mid first) at the time.

[Mal]

nbadraft.net have Spurs selecting Dalton Knecht, 23 yrs old guard from Tennesse. Who the fuck is that ?

[BackHome]

Umm that is like one of the worst mocks to look at..........

[ginobilized]

I wouldn't be mad Castle is our pick. He's a solid floor of a decent role player, but, might have some "it" factor. Plays with a ton of composure for a Freshman.

[baseline bum]

nbadraft.net have Spurs selecting Dalton Knecht, 23 yrs old guard from Tennesse. Who the fuck is that ?

Great shooter, but their mock is horrible. Last time I looked at it they had Cody Williams #1, which would be the most shocking #1 pick since Anthony Bennett.

[tonight...you]

nbadraft.net have Spurs selecting Dalton Knecht, 23 yrs old guard from Tennesse. Who the fuck is that ?
23 year old guard from Tennessee.



Joking aside, he's a high floor, low ceiling smart player who can help a team sooner rather than later.

[Mr. Body]

I've been on Castle for a minute. It's either Dillingham or Castle for me. Each has a major hole, but if you believe Dillingham can be coached to be close to neutral on defense you've got to take him. Or, if you believe Castle can get his shooting on track, you take him. I don't think any of the wings come close. The team doesn't need a dribble-heavy playmaker like Topic. It needs either an offense creator and shooter or a strong defender with a basket of other skills and Topic provides neither.

Someone asked a while back who we'd pick if we got both picks and I'd still take both of them.

[Mr. Body]

nbadraft.net have Spurs selecting Dalton Knecht, 23 yrs old guard from Tennesse. Who the fuck is that ?

One of the most well-known college players in the country.

[scott]

I think in evaluating the "Houston model" in how it might apply to the Spurs, I think we can ignore the exact players. The Spurs are gonna draft "Spursy" guys while the Rockets will draft guys who fit their mold (ballas, don't care about red flags).

Beyond that, assuming the Spurs successfully hit on their picks, I think the Spurs should be thinking similar to what HOU did this last season: short term overpay on a transitional player (while the rest of our roster is cheap), moderate contract for a useful vet. For the Spurs, maybe that's something like a two-year overpay for Chris Paul (yuck, but don't focus so much on Paul, he's just an example here) while someone like Topic backs him up and learns, and a 4/70 deal for a Grayson Allen type.

Again, not so much advocating for certain players as much as I am trying to find the path forward, because I don't think just sitting and drafting and hoping it works out is the way to go. We need a mix of vets in meaningful roles to help keep this ship going in the right direction.

DWhite could be a nice overpay candidate. How about 2/70 for Derrick and and 3/58 for Allen?

[SpursBills]

DWhite could be a nice overpay candidate. How about 2/70 for Derrick and and 3/58 for Allen?

Would honestly love that. Might work if Boston wins the title this year. Do the Spurs have the cap room? I didn't think they did.

[rascal]

Would honestly love that. Might work if Boston wins the title this year. Do the Spurs have the cap room? I didn't think they did.

White is happy in Boston and Boston is happy with him. He's going no where.

[BackHome]

I've been on Castle for a minute. It's either Dillingham or Castle for me. Each has a major hole, but if you believe Dillingham can be coached to be close to neutral on defense you've got to take him. Or, if you believe Castle can get his shooting on track, you take him. I don't think any of the wings come close. The team doesn't need a dribble-heavy playmaker like Topic. It needs either an offense creator and shooter or a strong defender with a basket of other skills and Topic provides neither.

Someone asked a while back who we'd pick if we got both picks and I'd still take both of them.

I think we will be picking at 5 and then your looking at those two and probably Holland and Batas and maybe Topic depending on injury - To be honest I have no idea what the Spurs will do as I think the players with the highest upside may also have the lowest floors

[MultiTroll]

Is Grant Nelson of Bama going to be an undrafted roster spot guy?

I don't see him on the Spurs but i like how he plays and his attitude.
Would make good 15th guy on bench imo.

[Limguogolo]

Why would you call "wrong" something that is factually correct and so easy to verify? Wemby played his entire career, ever since he was a kid, at the center positon. The skills he developed are a different matter. Just because you play center, it doesn't mean you can't shoot 3's if you're good at it. Jokic and Embiid developed "perimeter" skills too and you wouldn't say they aren't centers, would you?



:lmao

You clearly haven't seen Wemby play in Mets 92, nor have read anything about Wemby coming up if you think he's been playing center for only 3 months. :lol
OK.

Read and Google translate this (https://www.basketsession.com/NBA/victor-wembanyama-son-combat-contre-le-formatage-et-le-joueur-quil-veut-devenir-669494/) about how he played center in FNT and never liked it.

Read this (https://trashtalk.co/2023/02/21/victor-wembanyama-veut-jouer-la-coupe-du-monde-2023-ma-volonte-est-detre-avec-lequipe-de-france-cet-ete/), I translate for you:

"The coach of the France team [Vincent Collet] knows how to combine these two interior profiles [Gobert & Wembanyama]. In [Mets] Levallois, his playing pattern placed Ibrahima Fall Faye (then Anzejs Pasecniks) under the basket, in support position 5, very restricted in his movements. Victor Wembanyama orbits around this verticality, triggers from mid-range, causes shifts and releases the ball at the center."

That's the definition of playing PF (modern PF).

[Mal]

23 year old guard from Tennessee.
Joking aside, he's a high floor, low ceiling smart player who can help a team sooner rather than later.

Raptors pick, if conveyed or even this is too much for this guy ? Smart player, with high floor and shooting, sounds like something Spurs need.


One of the most well-known college players in the country.

Well, Tennessee is still in, but game is outside my "office hours" to watch him.

[mo7888]

Raptors pick, if conveyed or even this is too much for this guy ? Smart player, with high floor and shooting, sounds like something Spurs need.



Well, Tennessee is still in, but game is outside my "office hours" to watch him.

Knecht with the TOR pick is certainly justified. He's probably going 7-14 in this draft

[Chinook]

I keep hearing that Tyler Smith is a very safe pick, though projected more toward the middle of the first rather than the late lotto. Still, he projects to be a guy with good size who plays a position that could use some long-term talent infusion. Be it with the Raptors pick or a mid-first the team acquires through other means, I wouldn't be against bringing him in.

[Sugus]

I think in evaluating the "Houston model" in how it might apply to the Spurs, I think we can ignore the exact players. The Spurs are gonna draft "Spursy" guys while the Rockets will draft guys who fit their mold (ballas, don't care about red flags).

Again, not so much advocating for certain players as much as I am trying to find the path forward, because I don't think just sitting and drafting and hoping it works out is the way to go. We need a mix of vets in meaningful roles to help keep this ship going in the right direction.

This is really about as far as I'd like the Spurs to follow the Rockettes' model on, tbh.

Ignoring red flags and drafting "balla" players bites you in the ass eventually (and hell, most of this board loathed the most "balla" player we ever drafted in DJM). The Rox's youth has been playing nicely but it's far from results I'd change my drafting philosophy on -- especially when we're far from seeing any tangible results on it.

Those "red flags" like tunnel vision, short wingspan, low IQ, etc. become exponentially more glaring during 7-game series, as the Harden era should've taught Houston.

[Knoxxx]

tbh:

Zach Edey is the most polarizing player in 2024 NBA Draft: Why Purdue star ranges from lottery to second round pick (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/zach-edey-is-the-most-polarizing-player-in-2024-nba-draft-why-purdue-star-ranges-from-lottery-to-second-round-pick/ar-BB1kJd8q?ocid=msedgntp&pc=HCTS&cvid=2c40247dd2614e50826d16cf4caa76da&ei=14)

[baseline bum]

EDIT: nm, I screwed up on that

[baseline bum]

DWhite could be a nice overpay candidate. How about 2/70 for Derrick and and 3/58 for Allen?

You can get to a little less than $37 million in capspace by dumping Graham and Champagnie but only if you dump your picks too. Otherwise take another ~$10 million off say if the Spurs get #3 and the Toronto pick doesn't convey or another $16 million if say the Spurs get #3 and the Toronto pick conveys at #7. So you either have roughly $27 million or roughly $21 million in cap. Personally I'd bring Champagnie back though since it'll cost less than $2 million of capspace for him once you factor in the cap hit for empty roster spots. And this scenario would call for waiving Bassey, which would only save $1.3 million or so of capspace thanks to the cap hit for empty roster spots. So I'd keep those two and have roughly $23 million or roughly $17 million in capspace depending on whether the Toronto pick conveys.

[Silverheart80]

Anyone here have strong opinions either way on Tidjane Salaun? 6'10", 18-year-old Frenchman with 7'1" wingspan. Can shoot the three.

Saw that game-winning steal and dunk he had to win a game recently, but there isn't a lot of great defensive tape on him. He plays a little bit like Michael Porter Jr.

Right now, I'm more interested in the Spurs gambling on a wing with his length and pro experience than an undersized US-collegiate guard like Dilly or Sheppard.

[spurraider21]

You can get to a little less than $37 million in capspace by dumping Graham and Champagnie but only if you dump your picks too. Otherwise take another ~$10 million off say if the Spurs get #3 and the Toronto pick doesn't convey or another $16 million if say the Spurs get #3 and the Toronto pick conveys at #7. So you either have roughly $27 million or roughly $21 million in cap. Personally I'd bring Champagnie back though since it'll cost less than $2 million of capspace for him once you factor in the cap hit for empty roster spots. And this scenario would call for waiving Bassey, which would only save $1.3 million or so of capspace thanks to the cap hit for empty roster spots. So I'd keep those two and have roughly $23 million or roughly $17 million in capspace depending on whether the Toronto pick conveys.
yeah i think you keep shampenny around. he's cheap. he has underwhelmed as a starter, should be a bench guy, is paid as such, and still could conceivably improve. contract is non guaranteed year to year. and its not like we have a plethora of wings

i wouldnt cut bassey for the cap space, id cut him for the roster spot... if they decide his injury history is just too much, simply think barlow is the better prospect (and are able to strike an agreement), or get somebody else altogether, whether it be drafting sarr or some offseason acquisition

[baseline bum]

yeah i think you keep shampenny around. he's cheap. he has underwhelmed as a starter, should be a bench guy, is paid as such, and still could conceivably improve. contract is non guaranteed year to year. and its not like we have a plethora of wings

i wouldnt cut bassey for the cap space, id cut him for the roster spot... if they decide his injury history is just too much, simply think barlow is the better prospect (and are able to strike an agreement), or get somebody else altogether, whether it be drafting sarr or some offseason acquisition

I'd keep Bassey and hopefully trade Zollins at some point

[spurraider21]

Anyone here have strong opinions either way on Tidjane Salaun? 6'10", 18-year-old Frenchman with 7'1" wingspan. Can shoot the three.

Saw that game-winning steal and dunk he had to win a game recently, but there isn't a lot of great defensive tape on him. He plays a little bit like Michael Porter Jr.

Right now, I'm more interested in the Spurs gambling on a wing with his length and pro experience than an undersized US-collegiate guard like Dilly or Sheppard.
Salaun feels like the guy you draft who is going to be in that "a year away from being a year away" category. if we werent projected to have so many future draft picks, you could afford to have a guy like that occupy the 15th roster spot or something. but we are already going to have to be churning through the roster over the next few years. cant have a spot earmarked for a guy not expected to be playing on the big league roster. esp when the opportunity cost is a lottery pick.

its already frustrating that we gave a 3 year guaranteed deal to a late 2nd rounder last year in cissoko, whose jumper right now is about as good as a sochan left handed shot. at this point id bet against cissoko actually playing out his current deal, despite the modest salary.

[The Truth #6]

On macro level I'm curious if Wright is trying to move forward in this offseason with a certain vision for the team. With so many players perceived somewhat equally in the draft there's a lot of potential outcomes and variability. Focus on shooting? Defense? Positional flexibility?

[Silverheart80]

Salaun feels like the guy you draft who is going to be in that "a year away from being a year away" category. if we werent projected to have so many future draft picks, you could afford to have a guy like that occupy the 15th roster spot or something. but we are already going to have to be churning through the roster over the next few years. cant have a spot earmarked for a guy not expected to be playing on the big league roster. esp when the opportunity cost is a lottery pick.

its already frustrating that we gave a 3 year guaranteed deal to a late 2nd rounder last year in cissoko, whose jumper right now is about as good as a sochan left handed shot. at this point id bet against cissoko actually playing out his current deal, despite the modest salary.

I wouldn't use a high lottery pick on Salaun. Would trade back to get him if the Spurs can't get high enough to score the guy they most want, and maybe grab him along with at least another asset. Depends how the ping pong balls land. I could see lottery teams trying to trade back or trade out because this draft is so full of potential busts and journeymen.

What do you think about Risacher?

[Silverheart80]

On macro level I'm curious if Wright is trying to move forward in this offseason with a certain vision for the team. With so many players perceived somewhat equally in the draft there's a lot of potential outcomes and variability. Focus on shooting? Defense? Positional flexibility?

All three, please.

But I think positional flexibility should be #1. At least I hope it is, because that affects everything else, especially re: defense and playmaking. Playing Sochan at the point was a tell, even if the experiment didn't work the first time around. Another tell is that the Spurs are #2 in the league in Assists, even in their current miserable form. Hope they keep drafting (and trading) toward that model. No more short guards or tweeners who can't defend.

[DPG21920]

You can get to a little less than $37 million in capspace by dumping Graham and Champagnie but only if you dump your picks too. Otherwise take another ~$10 million off say if the Spurs get #3 and the Toronto pick doesn't convey or another $16 million if say the Spurs get #3 and the Toronto pick conveys at #7. So you either have roughly $27 million or roughly $21 million in cap. Personally I'd bring Champagnie back though since it'll cost less than $2 million of capspace for him once you factor in the cap hit for empty roster spots. And this scenario would call for waiving Bassey, which would only save $1.3 million or so of capspace thanks to the cap hit for empty roster spots. So I'd keep those two and have roughly $23 million or roughly $17 million in capspace depending on whether the Toronto pick conveys.

I would trade Collins and Champagnie (effectively) for White. If you waive Champagnie and can use some 2nds to dump Collins you are in business cap space wise.

[baseline bum]

I would trade Collins and Champagnie (effectively) for White. If you waive Champagnie and can use some 2nds to dump Collins you are in business cap space wise.

No way you're dumping Collins just with a couple of seconds. Teams that have $17 million of capspace to be able to absorb a trade like that can do way better than Collins with that money.

[Mr. Body]

Anyone here have strong opinions either way on Tidjane Salaun? 6'10", 18-year-old Frenchman with 7'1" wingspan. Can shoot the three.

Saw that game-winning steal and dunk he had to win a game recently, but there isn't a lot of great defensive tape on him. He plays a little bit like Michael Porter Jr.

Right now, I'm more interested in the Spurs gambling on a wing with his length and pro experience than an undersized US-collegiate guard like Dilly or Sheppard.

Bruno Caboclo vibes. Two years away from being two years away.

[DPG21920]

No way you're dumping Collins just with a couple of seconds. Teams that have $17 million of capspace to be able to absorb a trade like that can do way better than Collins with that money.

I don’t think teams view Collins as quite the negative as we do is what I was getting at. I think a team would be happy to get Collins the player and would be extra happy if SA gave them some 2nds to boot.

[spurraider21]

I wouldn't use a high lottery pick on Salaun. Would trade back to get him if the Spurs can't get high enough to score the guy they most want, and maybe grab him along with at least another asset. Depends how the ping pong balls land. I could see lottery teams trying to trade back or trade out because this draft is so full of potential busts and journeymen.

What do you think about Risacher?
for what its worth (i dont pretend to be an expert, just a guy with an opinion), he's #1 on my board overall. he's about the same age as salaun but looks way more advanced. i dont think he has the superstar potential that people usually look for when selecting at the top of the draft, but we already have our megastar in the making, and risacher just complements everything well. he also flashes some really good passing and is supposed to be a capable defender. has good change of direction skills. but he's going to have to pan out as a plus defender to justify his selection.

only guy i think should be in consideration at #1 besides risacher is Sarr, and im not sold on his fit alongside wembanyama, and thats a much more important question for bigs than perimeter guys

after that i like dillingham and have warmed on castle. topic scares me. low competition league. didnt get the chance to prove himself by playing against euroleague competition which would have been a much better barometer. his outside shot is poor, though he is an excellent free throw shooter, so maybe signs of life there. defensively he's not good, but he has solid size and reportedly a very long wingspan, so he could learn to get better there.

[baseline bum]

I don’t think teams view Collins as quite the negative as we do is what I was getting at. I think a team would be happy to get Collins the player and would be extra happy if SA gave them some 2nds to boot.

You think a team is going to give up $17 million in capspace for scrub Collins? Do you think Collins is better than an MLE player? I don't see it. Toronto would probably rather pick up their team option on Bruce Brown so that takes them out of it. Utah wouldn't have much use for Collins when they have Walker Kessler and Tyler Hendricks in the backup big roles. Philly is going big game hunting and won't settle for Collins with their capspace. Moritz Wagner is better so don't see Orlando interested. Leaving OKC, Detroit, and Charlotte as the only reasonable destinations to salary dump Collins. Maybe add Indiana if Siakam walks. Though they'd have to value Collins a lot more than MLE players.

[DPG21920]

You think a team is going to give up $17 million in capspace for scrub Collins? Do you think Collins is better than an MLE player? I don't see it. Toronto would probably rather pick up their team option on Bruce Brown so that takes them out of it. Utah wouldn't have much use for Collins when they have Walker Kessler and Tyler Hendricks in the backup big roles. Philly is going big game hunting and won't settle for Collins with their capspace. Moritz Wagner is better so don't see Orlando interested. Leaving OKC, Detroit, and Charlotte as the only reasonable destinations to salary dump Collins. Maybe add Indiana if Siakam walks. Though they'd have to value Collins a lot more than MLE players.

Golden State? 3 team trade where GS gets some size, sends someone to one of the other teams that doesnt need Collins, Spurs get cap space. I think when Collins was playing well (SA giving him that contract) he was definitely an MLE player or more. Not a great season, value is not good, but I dont think hes some toxic troll no teams would want is the point.

[Mr. Body]

I don’t think teams view Collins as quite the negative as we do is what I was getting at. I think a team would be happy to get Collins the player and would be extra happy if SA gave them some 2nds to boot.

He's not, Collins Hatred is just the latest obsession of the Big Brains of SpursTalk.

[Joseph Kony]

lol commenting on the "big brains of ST" when you were 100% certain this team would be competing for a play in spot :lmao

[The Truth #6]

I keep hearing that Tyler Smith is a very safe pick, though projected more toward the middle of the first rather than the late lotto. Still, he projects to be a guy with good size who plays a position that could use some long-term talent infusion. Be it with the Raptors pick or a mid-first the team acquires through other means, I wouldn't be against bringing him in.

He definitely gets overlooked, by myself included. He's shooting the 3 in the high 30s which is great. FT looks to be in the 70s, which is more average. I suppose if they don't get TOR pick and want to move up it could be done. The team definitely needs shooting. Not sure about his on ball creation. He's from Texas, which is possibly a good thing if he's close to home.

[ginobilized]

Tyler Smith is a curious study. Skipped 2 yrs of high school to go pro. He could be in the Rashard Lewis mold if he reaches his potential, or, like most, a bust.
Anyone have strong opinions on Smith?

[baseline bum]

He's not, Collins Hatred is just the latest obsession of the Big Brains of SpursTalk.

You think Collins is valued as better than an MLE player after the season he has had?

[DesignatedT]

Smith looks pretty nice. Chris Bosh-esque

[baseline bum]

Golden State? 3 team trade where GS gets some size, sends someone to one of the other teams that doesnt need Collins, Spurs get cap space. I think when Collins was playing well (SA giving him that contract) he was definitely an MLE player or more. Not a great season, value is not good, but I dont think hes some toxic troll no teams would want is the point.

Golden State gets some size? Collins is a terrible rim defender. You could have argued he was MLE worthy as a 37% three point shooter but he's not one as a 31% three point shooter.

[spurraider21]

lol commenting on the "big brains of ST" when you were 100% certain this team would be competing for a play in spot :lmao
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[Ignazzz]

He's not, Collins Hatred is just the latest obsession of the Big Brains of SpursTalk.

i agree. From long long perspective ( outsideST) our Collins isnt so bad.

[TD 21]

Anyone here have strong opinions either way on Tidjane Salaun? 6'10", 18-year-old Frenchman with 7'1" wingspan. Can shoot the three.

I've long had him as the dark horse for the Spurs natural 1st.



You think a team is going to give up $17 million in capspace for scrub Collins? Do you think Collins is better than an MLE player? I don't see it. Toronto would probably rather pick up their team option on Bruce Brown so that takes them out of it. Utah wouldn't have much use for Collins when they have Walker Kessler and Tyler Hendricks in the backup big roles. Philly is going big game hunting and won't settle for Collins with their capspace. Moritz Wagner is better so don't see Orlando interested. Leaving OKC, Detroit, and Charlotte as the only reasonable destinations to salary dump Collins. Maybe add Indiana if Siakam walks. Though they'd have to value Collins a lot more than MLE players.

If he were an upcoming free agent, Collins would probably be worth the room or "mini" mid level exception. Possible trade candidates . . .

Hornets: Along with their 1st back and multiple 2nds for Bertans and Richards.
Jazz: For J. Collins.
Wizards: Along with Hornets 1st for Holmes.



Golden State? 3 team trade where GS gets some size, sends someone to one of the other teams that doesnt need Collins, Spurs get cap space. I think when Collins was playing well (SA giving him that contract) he was definitely an MLE player or more. Not a great season, value is not good, but I dont think hes some toxic troll no teams would want is the point.

Severe tax issues, he doesn't solve their spacing issues among their bigs and even though he's taller than all of them, he plays the smaller.

[mo7888]

Anyone here have strong opinions either way on Tidjane Salaun? 6'10", 18-year-old Frenchman with 7'1" wingspan. Can shoot the three.

Saw that game-winning steal and dunk he had to win a game recently, but there isn't a lot of great defensive tape on him. He plays a little bit like Michael Porter Jr.

Right now, I'm more interested in the Spurs gambling on a wing with his length and pro experience than an undersized US-collegiate guard like Dilly or Sheppard.

He's pretty raw, but has some athleticism and some real skill. I'd hhave no problem if we took him with the Tor pick. In fact, I think he's on the Spurs board for sure. I agree with TD that he's a darkhorse candidate..

[spurraider21]

Risacher with another very slow game... 4 points on 2-7 shooting, 0-4 from 3 in 22 minutes

he's had a really rough stretch of games at this point

[Mr. Body]

You think Collins is valued as better than an MLE player after the season he has had?

What MLE player? The fanciful one that is handsome and powerful and great at everything in your mind?

Collins is a good player who had a shitty year. That's it. Many teams would be very happy to have him.

[baseline bum]

What MLE player? The fanciful one that is handsome and powerful and great at everything in your mind?

Collins is a good player who had a shitty year. That's it. Many teams would be very happy to have him.

Do you think teams will give up $17 million in capspace to land Collins this summer?

[Mr. Body]

Risacher with another very slow game... 4 points on 2-7 shooting, 0-4 from 3 in 22 minutes

he's had a really rough stretch of games at this point

It's not even a very slow game, it's a completely shitty game. No steals, no assists, no rebounds, three fouls. He's been straight up bad for a while. He doesn't even seem like a lottery pick much less a guy at the top of the draft.

[Mr. Body]

Do you think teams will give up $17 million in capspace to land Collins this summer?

Who gives a crap because he's not getting traded. The whole conversation is pointless.

[baseline bum]

Who gives a crap because he's not getting traded. The whole conversation is pointless.

LOL refusing to answer the question after getting cunty when I said no one is taking Collins into their capspace just to get two second round picks.

[scott]

Here is a short list of some backup centers who get paid less than Collins once his extension kicks in (dollar figures listed are AAV in millions):

Big Daddy Val - $15.0
Mitchell Robinson - $15.0
Naz - $14.0
Zubac - $10.9
Mo Wagner - $8.0
Hartenstein - $8.0
Plumlee - $5.0
Powell - $4.0
Drummond - $3.3
Zeller - $3.2
T Bryant - $2.7
Eubanks - $2.5
Mo Bamba - $2.3

If Collins were a FA, I couldn't see anyone offering him above the MLE, personally, but who knows.

[Splits]

Risacher with another very slow game... 4 points on 2-7 shooting, 0-4 from 3 in 22 minutes

he's had a really rough stretch of games at this point

No. Fucking. Teenagers.

[spurraider21]

No. Fucking. Teenagers.
who are you taking #1 overall? clingan? knecht? :lol

all the top guys are teens

[Splits]

who are you taking #1 overall? clingan? knecht? :lol

all the top guys are teens

Knecht

[Splits]

Clingan with the TOR pick or trade it. Just no more fucking teenagers.

[spurraider21]

Clingan with the TOR pick or trade it. Just no more fucking teenagers.
nah, Kolek

[onechance87]

lets see if kolek has another good game

[Vienna]

Risacher with another very slow game... 4 points on 2-7 shooting, 0-4 from 3 in 22 minutes

he's had a really rough stretch of games at this point

well, six days ago he had 13 points in 21 minutes (3-8 from 3) when they played in Nanterre, one of the better teams from the french league.
three days ago he had 8 points vs. Besiktas in the Eurocup (2-4 from 3), he hit his two 3s in Q4, crucial to eventually win the game.
both games were far from outstanding, but both games were far from bad as well. Both games he did show some of what makes NBA teams intrigued.
we are talking about three pro league games within one week. Including a long trip to Istanbul. A 18 years old kid. One bad game, two mediocre games with still some highlights. Give the kid a break. He is good. Spurs will pick him if he‘s on the board.

[Dejounte]

well, six days ago he had 13 points in 21 minutes (3-8 from 3) when they played in Nanterre, one of the better teams from the french league.
three days ago he had 8 points vs. Besiktas in the Eurocup (2-4 from 3), he hit his two 3s in Q4, crucial to eventually win the game.
both games were far from outstanding, but both games were far from bad as well. Both games he did show some of what makes NBA teams intrigued.
we are talking about three pro league games within one week. Including a long trip to Istanbul. A 18 years old kid. One bad game, two mediocre games with still some highlights. Give the kid a break. He is good. Spurs will pick him if he‘s on the board.

“Give the kid a break” is a statement that’s ok for kids projected 8th, 9th, 10th… not the fucking 1st or 2nd pick.

this guy is being handed that top 2 title. He deserves no break, especially when players in the past picked in that range accomplished a hella lot more than playing mediocre in pro league games.

“long trip to Istanbul” big fucking whoop

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/Fv2MGb18TEM?feature=shared

tHaT tALeNt iS So hIgH It’S oOzIng Out oF mY sCrEen

People are lying to themselves if they watch these clips and come away impressed. The glow is coming straight from the media and from no other player stepping up and it’s sad.

[Vienna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKXtcqoy3m4&t=245s

[spurraider21]

well, six days ago he had 13 points in 21 minutes (3-8 from 3) when they played in Nanterre, one of the better teams from the french league.
three days ago he had 8 points vs. Besiktas in the Eurocup (2-4 from 3), he hit his two 3s in Q4, crucial to eventually win the game.
both games were far from outstanding, but both games were far from bad as well. Both games he did show some of what makes NBA teams intrigued.
we are talking about three pro league games within one week. Including a long trip to Istanbul. A 18 years old kid. One bad game, two mediocre games with still some highlights. Give the kid a break. He is good. Spurs will pick him if he‘s on the board.
yeah i still have him #1

[Mnky]

https://youtu.be/Fv2MGb18TEM?feature=shared

tHaT tALeNt iS So hIgH It’S oOzIng Out oF mY sCrEen

People are lying to themselves if they watch these clips and come away impressed. The glow is coming straight from the media and from no other player stepping up and it’s sad.

Great size. Great feet. Good athleticism. Game looks high IQ and very low experience and coaching. Diagnoses plays before they happen. Very active hands and awareness on defense. Constantly competing. Attacks the rim knowing his shot isn't there. Looking for ways to contribute instead of fading away.

Obviously inexperienced at high level ball. Issue adapting to physicality with under developed body and inexperienced finisher. Like his quick release but body is not well set on shots. More inexperience. Overtly aggressive on defense, inexperienced guarding quality offensive moves.

Shooters who are going through dry streaks tend to look bad at all levels. Kid still competing and trying to make things happen. If potential is what you're drafting, he has it.

[TheGreatYacht]

Risacher fucking sucks.

It’s Dilly or Sheppard. If neither is at the top of the draft board, trade the pick B Wrong

[Splits]

nah, Kolek

:rolleyes

will he even go in the 1st round?

[Splits]

Risacher fucking sucks.

It’s Dilly or Sheppard. If neither is at the top of the draft board, trade the pick B Wrong

No. More. Fucking. Teenagers.

[CGD]

Sorry to disappoint, but they’ll draft at least 1 if not 2 of them.

[DAF86]

OK.

Read and Google translate this (https://www.basketsession.com/NBA/victor-wembanyama-son-combat-contre-le-formatage-et-le-joueur-quil-veut-devenir-669494/) about how he played center in FNT and never liked it.

Read this (https://trashtalk.co/2023/02/21/victor-wembanyama-veut-jouer-la-coupe-du-monde-2023-ma-volonte-est-detre-avec-lequipe-de-france-cet-ete/), I translate for you:

"The coach of the France team [Vincent Collet] knows how to combine these two interior profiles [Gobert & Wembanyama]. In [Mets] Levallois, his playing pattern placed Ibrahima Fall Faye (then Anzejs Pasecniks) under the basket, in support position 5, very restricted in his movements. Victor Wembanyama orbits around this verticality, triggers from mid-range, causes shifts and releases the ball at the center."

That's the definition of playing PF (modern PF).

"Google translate" :lol

[Atl Spur]

Risacher fucking sucks.

It’s Dilly or Sheppard. If neither is at the top of the draft board, trade the pick B Wrong

Give me castle… if you get him an Zach R we are golden!

[BackHome]

Well with Spurs winning we probably now looking at pick 4 to 6 with out first pick which probably gets us a good bench player for a playoff team. We got 8 games left thought against some good teams though some might be resting starter to get ready for playoffs. I think though we win 2 or 3 out of the 8 remaining games

[Mr. Body]

Great size. Great feet. Good athleticism. Game looks high IQ and very low experience and coaching. Diagnoses plays before they happen. Very active hands and awareness on defense. Constantly competing. Attacks the rim knowing his shot isn't there. Looking for ways to contribute instead of fading away.

Obviously inexperienced at high level ball. Issue adapting to physicality with under developed body and inexperienced finisher. Like his quick release but body is not well set on shots. More inexperience. Overtly aggressive on defense, inexperienced guarding quality offensive moves.

Shooters who are going through dry streaks tend to look bad at all levels. Kid still competing and trying to make things happen. If potential is what you're drafting, he has it.

This is satire, right?

[baseline bum]

Well with Spurs winning we probably now looking at pick 4 to 6 with out first pick which probably gets us a good bench player for a playoff team.

I'd much rather get wins off epic Wemby performances than a couple more lottery balls for a crap draft tbh. Especially with Risacher falling off hard lately, Sarr not even earning heavy playoff minutes in the NBL, and Topic pulling a Wiseman so that no one really looks head and shoulders over anyone else.

[rascal]

I'd much rather get wins off epic Wemby performances than a couple more lottery balls for a crap draft tbh. Especially with Risacher falling off hard lately, Sarr not even earning heavy playoff minutes in the NBL, and Topic pulling a Wiseman so that no one really looks head and shoulders over anyone else.

Still better to get the higher pick because the players on top of the Spurs board may be gone if they pick 5 or lower.

These wins mean nothing. Next year what matters is who they have on the roster and it's a clean slate again.

[baseline bum]

Still better to get the higher pick because the players on top of the Spurs board may be gone if they pick 5 or lower.

These wins mean nothing. Next year what matters is who they have on the roster and it's a clean slate again.

Wemby dropping 40/20/7/2 to beat a good Knicks team when Brunson goes nuclear for 61 isn't meaningless. Still going to finish somewhere from 3rd to 5th worst record in the league, probably 4th worst given how difficult the remaining schedule is with Golden State, Denver twice, New Orleans, Philly, and OKC with every one of those games vitally important for seeding, and the only easy opponents being a road game in Memphis and a home game vs Detroit.

[Splits]

Give me Knecht. Dude is ready and deadly

[rascal]

Wemby dropping 40/20/7/2 to beat a good Knicks team when Brunson goes nuclear for 61 isn't meaningless. Still going to finish somewhere from 3rd to 5th worst record in the league, probably 4th worst given how difficult the remaining schedule is with Golden State, Denver twice, New Orleans, Philly, and OKC with every one of those games vitally important for seeding, and the only easy opponents being a road game in Memphis and a home game vs Detroit.

Wins now are meaningless for the long run, what matters is where the spurs draft and who is on the board when they draft and who they draft.

[Ariel]

Detroit, Washington, Charlotte, Portland, Toronto, Utah sitting starters to improve their lottery odds. Spurs seem to be the only team in the bottom (other than Memphis) happy with getting wins at the moment. I don't get it, but whatever it is they're going for, I hope it pans out.

[BatManu20]

Yea the more I watch Knecht, the more I like him. He’s a plug-and-play starter beside Wemby. Idk if I touch him in the top-2 necessarily, just because he is almost 23 already and he’s not a great athlete, nor is he a strong defender, so he’s more of a high floor/lower ceiling role player. But I do like his fit beside Wemby a lot. He would be an instant massive upgrade over Champagnie tbh.

[Ariel]

Anyone here have strong opinions either way on Tidjane Salaun? 6'10", 18-year-old Frenchman with 7'1" wingspan. Can shoot the three.
I've long had him as the dark horse for the Spurs natural 1st.
Salaun's biggest sell is his archetype as a big, 3&D stretch four, but he hasn't proven to be that good of a defender or shooter and he doesn't look all that fluid either. Taking him with the Spurs' own pick sounds like a reach in the present hoping that next year he'd be worth the pick you're using on him right now. That sounds a lot like the reasoning behind the miserably failed Primo experiment, and that's disregarding his peculiar off court hobbies. I'd be extremely underwhelmed if that's the case.

[The Truth #6]

Wemby looked happy and committed after the win. You could argue that's more important than the losing more to stay at the 3rd seed vs the 5th. Hard to say.

[Ariel]

“Give the kid a break” is a statement that’s ok for kids projected 8th, 9th, 10th… not the fucking 1st or 2nd pick.

this guy is being handed that top 2 title. He deserves no break, especially when players in the past picked in that range accomplished a hella lot more than playing mediocre in pro league games.

“long trip to Istanbul” big fucking whoop
You might be right in a vacuum, but unfortunately this year that's exactly what you're getting, a bunch of players who'd be taken 5 or so spots later in most other classes. In that context, I'm willing to be more lenient than usual on Risacher as a 6'9" 18 year old wing than I'd be on others. We're picking our poison, so to speak.

[Ariel]

Wemby looked happy and committed after the win. You could argue that's more important than the losing more to stay at the 3rd seed vs the 5th. Hard to say.
Well, I'd like to see his happy look next year if the best prospect of the class ends up taken a couple of spots before by one of the teams that were tanking today (all of them) and kicking ass.

[BatManu20]

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[Robz4000]

Trade the pick(s) tbh.

[venitian navigator]

The more I see him, the more I'm convinced that Zach Edey is the only real fame changer in this draft class... And given Wemby elite athleticism, I frankly think they can coexist in a big dominant team. Look at all the ncaa opponents that Purdue us facing... There's no way you don't double Edey in the post otherwise you're gone to suffer 2 points at every possession... Pair it with Wemby and some decent playmaking, some good shooters and some decent slashers and you practically have an unstoppable offense... While Wemby as an helping big defender is the best you can find (and he can or should've more than capable of covering Edey's limited defensive inefficiency).

[Big Empty]

The more I see him, the more I'm convinced that Zach Edey is the only real fame changer in this draft class... And given Wemby elite athleticism, I frankly think they can coexist in a big dominant team. Look at all the ncaa opponents that Purdue us facing... There's no way you don't double Edey in the post otherwise you're gone to suffer 2 points at every possession... Pair it with Wemby and some decent playmaking, some good shooters and some decent slashers and you practically have an unstoppable offense... While Wemby as an helping big defender is the best you can find (and he can or should've more than capable of covering Edey's limited defensive inefficiency).Wemby & Edey would create nightmares for opponents. While they’re jacking up 35% 3s those two are 60% in the paint. Edey will be gone by the 5th pick

[JPB]

Ofc you want as high of a pick you can, like in any other year. That's not an exact science, there are busts and surprises, bu statiscally, the higher you pick the better the chances at a better guy, no matter the "quality" of the draft, and you want the best chances at picking the guy YOU want, then live with the outcome.

Not to see THAT kid you want only selected one pick earlier then blossom while your pick won't. We can decrete, in front of you screen, this draft is weak all we want, and there's no difference between the first 10 guys, about guys many never heard of 2 or 3 months ago, and still never saw play, then make definive judgements ouf a few games in March, but at the end of the day there WILL be differences. Not all these prospects picked in top 6-7 will habe the same career.

And that's not how (real) scouting works. It's always been and always will be about potential, and a slump here or a couple good games there is not how an NBA team will pick their guy. That might influatuate things a little but most of these kids have been followed throughout the year, and several years for some. They're young guys playing in different environments, put some euro guys playing pro in College and maybe they kill it. Put College players in pro enviroment and maybe they don't exist. Or vice and versa.

And potential is the reason why, like any year, these kids are mocked in a certain way, indepently of micro perfomances. Taking one Risacher's game stat sheet (that you don't even watched) or a slump into an entire season to say "uh this kid sucks" or 2 good College games vs. scrub to say "this kid is this or that" just doesn't make sense, nor how GMs make their choice, on the contrary. It's about not letting yourself fooled by the moment and seeing the big picture, and the potential, focusing on fundamentals, IQ, measurements and trying to imagine how it would translate to the NBA.

And it's even truer in a year where the vision of this draft is, at first sight, maybe not as clear than in other years.

[Pauleta14]

The most rational explanation I find for PATFO not tanking is that they don't see any player worth a top5 pick salary.

Someone posted the top10 salaries and it's actually insane for mostly one and dones that need years of developpement

I can see PATFO going for a Castle or Cody that can't shoot but have great potentials

[Maddog]

PLC5uD6crxA

Interesting
I doubt he'll play in the combine- but you wonder how well this will translate to exponentially more athletic NBA
It's reassuring he's continuing to produce in the tournament

[The Truth #6]

Well, I'd like to see his happy look next year if the best prospect of the class ends up taken a couple of spots before by one of the teams that were tanking today (all of them) and kicking ass.
This a very complicated case, Ariel. A lot of ins, lot of outs, lot of what have you's.

[Dejounte]

Dalton’s rebounding prowess combined with his scoring will make him really useful in lineups with Wemby

i think we all know that the team overall struggles to score in general and that’s due to the fact the team lacks players that can “get theirs”. This is why I am opposed to getting a draft prospect whose greatest strength is catch and shoot

What we also know is that while Tre is a positive in lineups with Wemby, that the team doesnt struggle to survive without him in it anymore. And when he is on the bench and Wesley is playing, the team shifts to a mode where anyone becomes the point guard. IMO, I still think it’s possible they won’t go traditional PG in their future plans, so we could see:

PG: Dalton
SG: Vassell
SF: Champagnie or free agent
PF: Sochan
C: Wemby

[Dejounte]

This a very complicated case, Ariel. A lot of ins, lot of outs, lot of what have you's.

When the fear of missing out drives your decisions, it never bodes well IMO

[The Truth #6]

Dalton’s rebounding prowess combined with his scoring will make him really useful in lineups with Wemby

i think we all know that the team overall struggles to score in general and that’s due to the fact the team lacks players that can “get theirs”. This is why I am opposed to getting a draft prospect whose greatest strength is catch and shoot

What we also know is that while Tre is a positive in lineups with Wemby, that the team doesnt struggle to survive without him in it anymore. And when he is on the bench and Wesley is playing, the team shifts to a mode where anyone becomes the point guard. IMO, I still think it’s possible they won’t go traditional PG in their future plans, so we could see:

PG: Dalton
SG: Vassell
SF: Champagnie or free agent
PF: Sochan
C: Wemby

I was on board with Dalton early on this board when he was mocked like late teens. I'm more onboard now. He has tons of on ball reps that takes 19 year olds years to learn in the NBA. Used to play point guard. Very patient in the pnr. Great shooter and scorer. Looks to have a good vertical. Looks to have a really great wingspan. We'll probably pick 5-7. I would take him there and look for more gradual Derrick White esque improvement (players can continue to get better). His defense on ball is questionable but basic pnr with Wemby could be incredible for the offense.

[Bruno]

The impact of Spurs winning some games on their draft pick shouldn't be exaggerated.

Spurs will finish between the 3rd worst and 5th worth team:
- The 3rd worst team has a 52% odd of getting a top4 pick. If they don't get lucky, their pick will be centered around #6.
- The 5th worst team has a 42% odd of getting a top4 pick. If they don't get lucky, their pick will be centered around #7.

I rather see Spurs finishing in the bottom 3 but if they keep wining some games, it won't mean their pick will turn into trash. The 2019 changes on the draft lottery have been made to limit the benefit of hard tanking.

[The Truth #6]

I suppose my initial comment about making Wemby happy is in response to the year long angst and dread of Wemby's happiness being the number one goal. I wouldn't bench Wemby but giving minutes to Cissoko could be a middle ground.

[spurraider21]

PG: Dalton
This isn’t a thing

[JPB]

The impact of Spurs winning some games on their draft pick shouldn't be exaggerated.

Spurs will finish between the 3rd worst and 5th worth team:
- The 3rd worst team has a 52% odd of getting a top4 pick. If they don't get lucky, their pick will be centered around #6.
- The 5th worst team has a 42% odd of getting a top4 pick. If they don't get lucky, their pick will be centered around #7.

I rather see Spurs finishing in the bottom 3 but if they keep wining some games, it won't mean their pick will turn into trash. The 2019 changes on the draft lottery have been made to limit the benefit of hard tanking.

It's not about superstar vs. trash, it's about missing on THAT guy. It can ultimately make a huge difference between drafting 3,4,5 or 6. Ask some teams through history about it. And we're nobody to say all the kids this year from 1 to 7 are completely equal. they won't have the same career. It's elite sport, the difference between good to great can be thin, and lie between a 3th or 5th pick.

I wanted Miller over Scoot last year. You could say "hey 2nd or 3rd that's still a great pick! Except If I had #3 instead of #2, I probably would have had to pick with Scoot who might end up as a good player but I believe MIller have more chances in modern NBA to be a bigger difference maker and more valuable player.

And it matters for the whole draft, where you want the highest pick you can no matter what, and one pick can make a huge difference. Spurs picked 28th in 2013 and you could say "hey, 28,27,29... Who cares?" Except they had Gobert as their choice at 28 who was picked...27th. Instead spurs picked Livio Jean Charles. A one pick difference at the bottom of the first round went from a future perennial defensive player of the year who could have been associated with Duncan to a player who never played for the spurs.

So yeah, you want no matter what the best possible pick to at least take the player YOU want, so you have no regrets... Then if it fails, it fails. But statiscally, the higher you pick the better the chances at a better player.

[Dejounte]

This isn’t a thing

Yeah that Sochan as a PG wasn’t a thing either until it was

[The Truth #6]

JPB, I hear what you're saying. I think there is a lot of luck involved all around but it still comes down to talent evaluation. Passing on Halliburton and Sengun hurts, so even with a gifted opportunity it can be blown. Fingers crossed for this year. Though the talent may be hard to decipher, how the team chooses to make a plan to build the team is hugely important. Anyway.

[The Truth #6]

Yeah that Sochan as a PG wasn’t a thing either until it was

I agree it's definitely possible. Dalton has played point guard before, which is a helpful distinction. He just outgrew the position as he hit a huge growth spurt. He has a lot of experience as lead ball handler in pnr situations. That's his potential upside that's overlooked, which I think is your point.

[Atl Spur]

It’s great to see some of you see the big picture of a victor / Edey pairing!

Okc will shit a brick with us getting Edey; defense would be stupid once Eady started playing mean….

[exstatic]

JPB, I hear what you're saying. I think there is a lot of luck involved all around but it still comes down to talent evaluation. Passing on Halliburton and Sengun hurts, so even with a gifted opportunity it can be blown. Fingers crossed for this year. Though the talent may be hard to decipher, how the team chooses to make a plan to build the team is hugely important. Anyway.

That one shouldn’t even sting a little. We have the far superior product now.

[Atl Spur]

I agree it's definitely possible. Dalton has played point guard before, which is a helpful distinction. He just outgrew the position as he hit a huge growth spurt. He has a lot of experience as lead ball handler in pnr situations. That's his potential upside that's overlooked, which I think is your point.

We don’t need a traditional point guard anyway, we need competent playmakers & shooters. Our offense will run through the VW moving forward.

[Mr. Body]

Getting the young players some wins to move into the offseason is more valuable than some percentage points in the lottery. Dropping a couple slots in this draft isn't a bad thing. You're not missing any great players and you'll pay less for who you do get.

[Atl Spur]

That one shouldn’t even sting a little. We have the far superior product now.

Hali + Sengun or Vassell + VW? I say the VW combo…..celebrate being the cat that lands on your feet vs your head! Some here hasn’t figured that out:)

[Dejounte]

I agree it's definitely possible. Dalton has played point guard before, which is a helpful distinction. He just outgrew the position as he hit a huge growth spurt. He has a lot of experience as lead ball handler in pnr situations. That's his potential upside that's overlooked, which I think is your point.

Anyway, we could always pursue Murray. It would be a big jolt of identity to the offense.

PG: Murray
SG: Vassell
SF: Dalton
PF: Sochan
C: Victor

With Murray, Dalton, Sochan all able to be solid rebounders without crowding the paint when Victor wants to play like a wing on offense, while being super versatile on defense and keeping Victor as the defensive anchor in the paint… I think that’s a lineup to be reckoned with.

[Atl Spur]

Anyway, we could always pursue Murray. It would be a big jolt of identity to the offense.

PG: Murray
SG: Vassell
SF: Dalton
PF: Sochan
C: Victor

With Murray, Dalton, Sochan all able to be solid rebounders without crowding the paint when Victor wants to play like a wing on offense, while being super versatile on defense and keeping Victor as the defensive anchor in the paint… I think that’s a lineup to be reckoned with.

Not too shabby but I’d prefer a:

Lavine
Vassell
Sochan
VW
Edey

[Bruno]

It's not about superstar vs. trash, it's about missing on THAT guy. It can ultimately make a huge difference between drafting 3,4,5 or 6. Ask some teams through history about it. And we're nobody to say all the kids this year from 1 to 7 are completely equal. they won't have the same career. It's elite sport, the difference between good to great can be thin, and lie between a 3th or 5th pick.


Off course, teams want to pick as high as possible. My point is that the new draft lottery system flatten differences between the worst teams. The 5th worst team don't get on average a pick that is 2 slot worst than the 3rd.

For reference, average pick number for the worst teams with the current lottery system:
1: 3.7
2: 3.9
3: 4.1
4: 4.4
5: 5.0

[Splits]

lol Knecht as a pg wtf you guys smoking

[scott]

That moment you realize the Spurs haven’t been tanking all season… this record is just the product of their terrible roster construction and coaching decisions…

[DAF86]

Yeah that Sochan as a PG wasn’t a thing either until it was

And how did that go? :lol

[The Truth #6]

That one shouldn’t even sting a little. We have the far superior product now.

We cut Primo, remember?

[Dejounte]

And how did that go? :lol

The point wasn’t whether it was the correct decision or not, it was to say that the Spurs are not as predictable in their ways that dismissing the possibility of Dalton becoming a PG for the Spurs is not exactly wise.

[DAF86]

The point wasn’t whether it was the correct decision or not, it was to say that the Spurs are not as predictable in their ways that dismissing the possibility of Dalton becoming a PG for the Spurs is not exactly wise.

But I think spurraider21 point was exactly that Dalton at PG isn't a thing, because it wouldn't work. Also, after the monumental failure the Sochan at PG experiment was, I doubt Pop will experiment at the PG position again any time soon.

[scott]

I guess it all depends on what we mean by PG experiment. In some ways, Derrick White and DJM were PG experiments. DW is better suited as a SG and DJM couldn't dribble when he entered the league. He has come off it a little bit, but we saw a lot of Point Branham too. But, I will concede, they were all PGs way more than Sochan, to an infinite degree. I hope you are right, DAF, that Pop will stay away from Point Sochan-type experiments going forward, but I think it is clear he wants a bigger PG. This points to Castle as perhaps our top PG target.

[Dejounte]

But I think spurraider21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=31905) point was exactly that Dalton at PG isn't a thing, because it wouldn't work. Also, after the monumental failure the Sochan at PG experiment was, I doubt Pop will experiment at the PG position again any time soon.

“Isnt a thing” and “it wouldnt work” are again, fan statements. I think sometimes we all view our own thoughts and opinions so highly as if we control destiny or decide it that this is silly to argue about.

[The Truth #6]

lol Knecht as a pg wtf you guys smoking

The future? To clarify, hybrid was the night before.

[The Truth #6]

Keyonte George was a surprise point guard. It's really about proficiency in the pnr as for what I'm referring to, something DV hasn't taken major leaps at, but to me Dalton may be better at. To me it's progress. He could be the SF with versatility.

[Splits]

This points to Castle as perhaps our top PG target.

No. More. Fucking. Teenagers

[scott]

No. More. Fucking. Teenagers

Here are a list of the non-teenagers projected as FRPs in this draft:

Dalton Knecht
Donovan Clingan
Kyle Filipowski
Devin Carter
Ryan Dunn
Kevin McCullar
Bobi Klintman
Terrence Shannon Jr
Jared McCain
Oso Ighodaro
Tyler Kolek
Kyshawn George
DaRon Holmes II

Knecht is the only one that won't get you laughed out of the building if you take with a Top 5 pick, and even that is questionable. Better hope that TOR pick doesn't convey :lol

[rascal]

Tankathon has every team drafting Sarr with the first pick except the Spurs who draft Topic. Someone at Tankathon believes Topic is the top player for the Spurs.

[Maddog]

OK
Since I rarely watch college what makes Dalton any different than say Doug McDermott

[scott]

Tankathon has every team drafting Sarr with the first pick except the Spurs who draft Topic. Someone at Tankathon believes Topic is the top player for the Spurs.

All this means is that someone at Tankathon realizes the Spurs already have a franchise C and need a PG. I doubt the staff of TaT has any kind of inside line to the Spurs FO.

[Mr. Body]

Guys, actually watch these teams and players play? Dalton Knecht is not a lead guard. He's not a point guard. He's not going to be your point guard. That's not his skill set. That's not what he does. That's not what he's going to do in the NBA.

[Mr. Body]

Tankathon has every team drafting Sarr with the first pick except the Spurs who draft Topic. Someone at Tankathon believes Topic is the top player for the Spurs.

Tankathon has teams pick according to fit and need.

[Mr. Body]

OK
Since I rarely watch college what makes Dalton any different than say Doug McDermott

If you're looking for a Doug McDermott, the player most like him may be Johnny Furphy.

[pad300]

That moment you realize the Spurs haven’t been tanking all season… this record is just the product of their terrible roster construction and coaching decisions…

What do you think tanking is? You're never going to see players tanking; their next contract depends on their performance, and the whole league's watching... Tanking is done by the FO and the coaching staff, by putting together bad rosters and putting out bad lineups... The difference between tanking and being bad, is the intent behind the decisions made.

[Mr. Body]

That moment you realize the Spurs haven’t been tanking all season… this record is just the product of their terrible roster construction and coaching decisions…

Uh... no?

Well, yes, there are serious problems with the roster.

But why don't you understand that the team was doing EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO?

They said they wanted to figure out how Wembanyama worked and what worked with him. By now, it's pretty clear they have a strong idea of what worked. They tried a jumbo lineup with another big next to him and tried to get Keldon and Sochan in the same starting lineup. Obviously this didn't work, but they had to slowly learn what did... so they can move forward with one of the most alien players we've ever seen.

Gaddamn every time I come to this forum I come away intensely frustrated by the supposed fanbase here. You're smarter than this.

[scott]

What do you think tanking is? You're never going to see players tanking; their next contract depends on their performance, and the whole league's watching... Tanking is done by the FO and the coaching staff, by putting together bad rosters and putting out bad lineups... The difference between tanking and being bad, is the intent behind the decisions made.

Do you think there is a difference between an FO and coaching staff putting together a bad roster and putting out bad lineups on purpose, and doing so because they think the roster and lineups will actually work?

[scott]

Uh... no?

Well, yes, there are serious problems with the roster.

But why don't you understand that the team was doing EXACTLY WHAT THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO DO?

They said they wanted to figure out how Wembanyama worked and what worked with him. By now, it's pretty clear they have a strong idea of what worked. They tried a jumbo lineup with another big next to him and tried to get Keldon and Sochan in the same starting lineup. Obviously this didn't work, but they had to slowly learn what did... so they can move forward with one of the most alien players we've ever seen.

Gaddamn every time I come to this forum I come away intensely frustrated by the supposed fanbase here. You're smarter than this.

"I think one of the important factors to enhance that development is winning. So winning is as important this year as learning last year. So, they've got to continue to learn. But, adding more wins, I think, is appropriate, mandatory and helpful."

[The Truth #6]

OK
Since I rarely watch college what makes Dalton any different than say Doug McDermott

He can play on ball. Better vertical. Clutch.

[pad300]

Do you think there is a difference between an FO and coaching staff putting together a bad roster and putting out bad lineups on purpose, and doing so because they think the roster and lineups will actually work?

Yep, it's the difference between murder and manslaughter.

IMO, PATFO chose to kill this season (murder), vs PATFO was incompetent so this season died (manslaughter).

On the bright side, this implies that next season (assuming they don't try to tank again, which I think they won't), they can choose not to kill the season, and it should go much better.

[skin27]

I think nikola topic might be the best pick for the spurs this coming nba draft..

[scott]

Yep, it's the difference between murder and manslaughter.

IMO, PATFO chose to kill this season (murder), vs PATFO was incompetent so this season died (manslaughter).

On the bright side, this implies that next season (assuming they don't try to tank again, which I think they won't), they can choose not to kill the season, and it should go much better.

Good analogy - and that's my point. Was it murder, or was it manslaughter? How would we even know?

[exstatic]

We cut Primo, remember?

So? We have Wemby. He’s better than Sengün. Do you still pine over that girl in HS, the cheerleader, that wouldn’t give you the time of day?

Walk it off.

[The Truth #6]

So? We have Wemby. He’s better than Sengün. Do you still pine over that girl in HS, the cheerleader, that wouldn’t give you the time of day?

Walk it off.

No. Just correcting your inaccuracy. Also, the context was evaluating talent, not stalking. More specifically, I was mentioning the benefit of not super tanking at the end if it makes Wemby more invested in San Antonio because having a 3rd vs 5th seed might not be a big deal if it is difficult to evaluate talent.

[exstatic]

No. Just correcting your inaccuracy. Also, the context was evaluating talent, not stalking.

I like Sengün, and he’s hit his 90% percentile outcome. I was on him for a minute, pre-draft. It’s still ridiculous to be pining over him. That’s like striking out managing Avril Lavigne, adding Taylor Swirt to your artist stable, and obsessing on not managing Avril.

[The Truth #6]

See above. It's not pining. It's acknowledging uncertainty in a different context. You seem more invested in downplaying Sengun then I am in using him in the context of a broader point. But that's alright.

[mo7888]

I'd much rather get wins off epic Wemby performances than a couple more lottery balls for a crap draft tbh.

This is where I'm at too. The difference between 1 and 6 isn't that great. Give me positive performances to build on and a pick that has as much chance of panning out as anyone else...

[baseline bum]

This is where I'm at too. The difference between 1 and 6 isn't that great. Give me positive performances to build on and a pick that has as much chance of panning out as anyone else...

If Amen Thompson or Brandon Miller was in this draft I'd probably be all for the tank in the last ten games, but yeah I don't see much difference in getting Risacher or Buzelis or Topic. Only guy I really like in this draft is Dillingham but he has enormous question marks too so give me a win and an epic Wemby performance we'll still remember 20 years from now over a couple of extra lottery balls any day.

[Splits]

If you're looking for a Doug McDermott, the player most like him may be Johnny Furphy.

omg here we go again with Furphy

[pad300]

Good analogy - and that's my point. Was it murder, or was it manslaughter? How would we even know?

Well, the historical record suggests a level of competence on the part of PATFO, so we can hope. Also, if next season turns out significantly better, that would give you a clue. Especially if they start by bringing in a useful vets to show the youngsters how it's done... Say a proper starting-level PG (3 tool threat - shoot, drive, pass)...

[BackHome]

Nah we tanking again next year - Cooper Flagg

[Ditty]

Castle is playing. So far his defense and passing looks legit. He has a good shot also that looks like it will improve. He is #1 on my board if we drafting around pick 5.

[pad300]

Nah we tanking again next year - Cooper Flagg

Doubt it, Wemby will be to good for that to be effective, unless they get really blatant in sabotaging him...

[Ditty]

I would consider drafting Clingan with the TOR pick. He is such a presence inside. He would be nice off the bench when Wemby goes out.

[TD 21]

Here is a short list of some backup centers who get paid less than Collins once his extension kicks in (dollar figures listed are AAV in millions):

Big Daddy Val - $15.0
Mitchell Robinson - $15.0
Naz - $14.0
Zubac - $10.9
Mo Wagner - $8.0
Hartenstein - $8.0
Plumlee - $5.0
Powell - $4.0
Drummond - $3.3
Zeller - $3.2
T Bryant - $2.7
Eubanks - $2.5
Mo Bamba - $2.3

If Collins were a FA, I couldn't see anyone offering him above the MLE, personally, but who knows.

These are only relevant if they were signed when the cap was equal or close.

Starters: Valanciunas, Robinson, Zubac.

Starting caliber primary backups: Reid (combo big), Hartenstein.

Primary backups: Wagner, Plumlee, Drummond, Eubanks.

Deep bench: Powell, Zeller, Bryant, Bamba.

[scott]

These are only relevant if they were signed when the cap was equal or close.

Starters: Valanciunas, Robinson, Zubac.

Starting caliber primary backups: Reid (combo big), Hartenstein.

Primary backups: Wagner, Drummond, Eubanks.

Deep bench: Powell, Zeller, Bryant, Bamba.

I highlighted the 4 players I think are in roles equivalent to what Collins might be expected to play, and who's contracts were signed recently. In the case of Hartenstein and Drummond, they are in year 2 of a 2 year deal (Drummond opted into Year 2). Wagner and Eubanks signed this past off-season.

So, I'd say that Collins that if Collins were UFA this offseason, he'd probably fetch somewhere between $5-10MM AAV on a two-year deal.

[Ditty]

Castle didn't do much offensively in the first half as it was the Clingan show.

[TD 21]

I can't believe people want or think the Spurs will want Castle. I'd be stunned if they selected him or Holland.

Not only because of need, but if you've listened to Pop throughout the season, he's clearly had it with the lack of shooting, even going so far as to admit recently that they're "behind" in that area.

[BatManu20]

Clingan’s easily been the most impactful player in the tournament. He’s been considerably better in this tourney offensively than he was all season. His 7’2 frame and long arms make him a force defensively. He understands positioning really well offensively. Cerebral player.

He’s an old school Center though — average athlete who can’t shoot — wouldn’t fit next to Wemby. Likely won’t be anything more than a role player at the next level.

[BatManu20]

Other than one nice dunk, Castle’s been a ghost offensively this game.

[scott]

I can't believe people want or think the Spurs will want Castle. I'd be stunned if they selected him or Holland.

Not only because of need, but if you've listened to Pop throughout the season, he's clearly had it with the lack of shooting, even going so far as to admit recently that they're "behind" in that area.

Unfortunately it doesn't seem like this draft is really overflowing with shooters at the top of the draft. Dillingham and Sheppard bring their own issues (outside of shooting), Risacher appears to be the top shooting prospect but may not be in our range OR may not actually be that good.

[Dejounte]

There’s an excuse that can be given for a college player who plays on an unselfish team… the problem with Castle is, he’s like the 10th option on anything in the offense. To be not featured on offense at any level should be a major red flag for a team like the Spurs who are in dire need of players who have scoring ability. Castle has no semblance of an offensive game to show any indication that he can be a consistent scorer for any team in the NBA.

[Dejounte]

Other than one nice dunk, Castle’s been a ghost offensively this game.

Perfect Spur tbh

[mo7888]

Other than one nice dunk, Castle’s been a ghost offensively this game.

Yup... he's not helped his case tonight...

[BackHome]

Doubt it, Wemby will be to good for that to be effective, unless they get really blatant in sabotaging him...

Some poster said the same thing after we drafted Wemby and now we talking about a top 5 pick. It is a done deal we going to tank next year get a great pick and also get some other lottery picks and that will be our Core for years to come. ;

Draft Express 2025 mock:

#5. Spurs - Hugo Gonzalez - SF
#8. Spurs - Tre Johnson - SG
#9 - Spurs - Egor Demin - PG

[Ditty]

What a dunk by Castle! He's upside on both sides of the floor might be too good to pass up.

[Dejounte]

Even when the starters have sat, Castle is showing no initiative. Quite pathetic.

[mo7888]

Everyone in this draft has at least 1 major concern (except maybe Knecht...he's pretty solid all around). It comes down to what flaw you think is fixable...

[td4mvp2k]

What a dunk by Castle! He's upside on both sides of the floor might be too good to pass up.
yup he's already the best defender and ball handler on the best team in the nation. shown unselfishness with a few dimes tonight as far as offense goes he's not asked to take over but do his part on an already loaded team.

[BackHome]

Everyone in this draft has at least 1 major concern (except maybe Knecht...he's pretty solid all around). It comes down to what flaw you think is fixable...

Yeah, I am starting to think that either Knecht or even Flipowski can be two guys who at worse can be legitimate backups for playoff type teams and even start and help win a few games - Not bad picks using Raptors pick if we get it.... I would not hate Castle pick if the Spurs think they can turn around his shooting

[spurraider21]

Unfortunately it doesn't seem like this draft is really overflowing with shooters at the top of the draft. Dillingham and Sheppard bring their own issues (outside of shooting), Risacher appears to be the top shooting prospect but may not be in our range OR may not actually be that good.
Knecht is solid. Think with good measurables hed be a spurs target as a SF

[CGD]

Detroit, Washington, Charlotte, Portland, Toronto, Utah sitting starters to improve their lottery odds. Spurs seem to be the only team in the bottom (other than Memphis) happy with getting wins at the moment. I don't get it, but whatever it is they're going for, I hope it pans out.

They’re probably thinking “F paying 12M a year for a Top 3 pick in this draft.”

[Maddog]

Other than one nice dunk, Castle’s been a ghost offensively this game.

Wonder how he'd be looked at in a stroner draft and how well he'll pan out

[Atl Spur]

Castle is a lot better than his numbers reflect, his suffocating defense, demeanor ( never rattled), competiveness, handles, bbiq, mid range game, athleticism all translate to the nba. These are so clear to see right?

[mo7888]

Castle is a lot better than his numbers reflect, his suffocating defense, demeanor ( never rattled), competiveness, handles, bbiq, mid range game, athleticism all translate to the nba. These are so clear to see right?

He's kinda like Michael-Carter Williams with a semblance of a mid range game and probably slightly better odds that his jumper develops.

[baseline bum]

Everyone in this draft has at least 1 major concern (except maybe Knecht...he's pretty solid all around). It comes down to what flaw you think is fixable...

IDK when I watch Knecht I think of a little worse version of McDermott considering how dominant a college ballplayer Dougie was. So almost certainly a rotation player which may really be all you can ask for in this draft outside the top 5. But his age limiting his upside should be considered a major concern. Not that I'd be disappointed to get him with the Toronto pick with how desperately this team needs shooting and quality rotation players, though I imagine it could spell the end of Keldon's career in San Antonio too.

[mo7888]

IDK when I watch Knecht I think of a little worse version of McDermott considering how dominant a college ballplayer Dougie was. So almost certainly a rotation player which may really be all you can ask for in this draft outside the top 5. But his age limiting his upside should be considered a major concern. Not that I'd be disappointed to get him with the Toronto pick with how desperately this team needs shooting and quality rotation players, though I imagine it could spell the end of Keldon's career in San Antonio too.

Age limits his upside for sure and that's my hesitation there. I see him as Dougie with a better handle, better athleticism, better D, and better court vision. I think he'd improve the team Day 1, but I am not sure how much upside there is left to mine. I'd gamble on upside if we only jave 1 pick, but if we get Toronto, I'd strongly consider him or Flipowski with that 2nd pick. I think they both will have a floor of very solid rotation player.

[Ariel]

They’re probably thinking “F paying 12M a year for a Top 3 pick in this draft.”
They just gave Zach Collins over 17M a year, if they are afraid of not being able to identify a prospect worth below MLE money with a top 3 pick they should hand in their resignation.

[Ariel]

Clingan’s easily been the most impactful player in the tournament. He’s been considerably better in this tourney offensively than he was all season. His 7’2 frame and long arms make him a force defensively. He understands positioning really well offensively. Cerebral player.

He’s an old school Center though — average athlete who can’t shoot — wouldn’t fit next to Wemby. Likely won’t be anything more than a role player at the next level.
Walker Kessler has a similar profile in terms of weaknesses and strengths, went #22 in a better draft, outperformed his pick, and still has trouble staying on the floor. Also, Clingan has huge durability question marks. He could give you valuable minutes and the right team could use a late lottery pick on someone like him (OKC?), but he's not someone who peaks my interest in the slightest.

[duncan2150]

Detroit, Washington, Charlotte, Portland, Toronto, Utah sitting starters to improve their lottery odds. Spurs seem to be the only team in the bottom (other than Memphis) happy with getting wins at the moment. I don't get it, but whatever it is they're going for, I hope it pans out.

They don't have a particular target in this draft imo ( except maybe topic) so going 3 or 5 before the lottery is not a big deal for them.

[CGD]

They just gave Zach Collins over 17M a year, if they are afraid of not being able to identify a prospect worth below MLE money with a top 3 pick they should hand in their resignation.

Maybe, but at a Top 3 pick chances are you’re keeping that guy for 8-9 years, unless he really busts like Wiseman. Teams get really tied to that crap.

Btw, Collins is basically trade matching salary for the next 1.5 years. We all talk about the trades we want the Spurs to make but they need ballast contracts given how many young guys they have on low salaries. They ain’t moving Vassell or Sochan any time soon, and we really don’t know how they value Keldon (we here just assume he’ll be traded). Given the size of deals right now, having a 17M slot and a 10M slot (Tre) to move around helps.

[pad300]

For those comparing Knect to Doug,

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=dalton-knecht--doug-mcdermott

At draft day, Doug was bigger (1.75" taller), younger, shot a better percentage, scored more, rebounded more and had slightly less TO's. Knect is better defensively though. I am not, personally, particularly enamored with a worse version of McDermott for a lottery pick.

[Ariel]

Maybe, but at a Top 3 pick chances are you’re keeping that guy for 8-9 years, unless he really busts like Wiseman. Teams get really tied to that crap.
Rookie scale deals only have 2 guaranteed years, if you don't like your choice to the point the money becomes burdensome, you simply don't pick up the options for 3rd and 4th year, like Phoenix did with Jalen Smith. Also, his second contract doesn't have to be tied to his original rookie deal, one way or the other. All in all, rookie money shouldn't be a huge concern for a team in the situation the Spurs are in, talent should be.

[baseline bum]

Maybe, but at a Top 3 pick chances are you’re keeping that guy for 8-9 years, unless he really busts like Wiseman. Teams get really tied to that crap.


If he's able to get a max extension on the market after Year #4 then you probably did well picking him, and in the case that he has max contract market value but doesn't fit your team you can sign him and then trade him for useful pieces like Phoenix did with Ayton.

[onechance87]

topic injury must be serious that their is no news for him coming back.Dont want to draft a injured pg in top 5

[BackHome]

I am thinking Topic had one of those injuries where they can try to work through it where it might not require surgery but is did not heal that way so he might need to have surgery?

[alfahdlan]

They don't have a particular target in this draft imo ( except maybe topic) so going 3 or 5 before the lottery is not a big deal for them.

methinks, FO is going to pick up a PG with their first pick. Tankathon current mock 3-5 are PGs followed by SFs.

[rascal]

Topic is going to be the pick

[rascal]

Castle is a lot better than his numbers reflect, his suffocating defense, demeanor ( never rattled), competiveness, handles, bbiq, mid range game, athleticism all translate to the nba. These are so clear to see right?

Exactly

UCONN spreads the scoring and plays a team game.

[rascal]

Tankathon has teams pick according to fit and need.

Sarr is a better fit than Sochan. Get rid of Sochan in a trade. That guy is going to drag the Spurs down if they expect him to be the long term starter at pf.

[ginobilized]

This thread is getting a bit off Topić

[TD 21]

Unfortunately it doesn't seem like this draft is really overflowing with shooters at the top of the draft. Dillingham and Sheppard bring their own issues (outside of shooting), Risacher appears to be the top shooting prospect but may not be in our range OR may not actually be that good.

I know, but Castle and Holland seem even less likely or at least further away than Williams and Buzelis from developing into competent or non liability shooters.

I will say though, Holland seems like Spurs material, they've had a history with players who were ranked significantly higher entering college and he'd fill a positional need.

[scott]

I know, but Castle and Holland seem even less likely or at least further away than Williams and Buzelis from developing into competent or non liability shooters.

I will say though, Holland seems like Spurs material, they've had a history with players who were ranked significantly higher entering college and he'd fill a positional need.

I haven't not studied Holland in depth, but of the few highlight videos I've watched I kind of like him personally, but more for Kawhi-related nostalgia reasons. I can certainly understand all the criticisms of him.

[Degoat]

dalton knecht heating up against Purdue!

[BatManu20]

Knecht on fire again. Dude’s a gamer. Just wish he was more athletic and a better defender, but he can shoot the rock. Someone else said it earlier in this thread that he reminds them of a shorter Doug McDermott and I agree. Very similar game and skillset.