2024 NBA Draft Thread

[buttsR4rebounding]

ATL also has a new FO,and they still want their picks back. Not sure that thought process hold water.

Of course, they WANT their picks. So you are saying that the only place Atlanta would trade Young or Murray is San Antonio? Last year the widespread talk was that Atanta wanted 2 FRPs for DJM, but couldn't get that. I'm pretty sure that they were talking to more than San Antonio. So if they will take non-Atlanta FRPs from another team I guarantee you that if SA has the best package even if doesn't include all or any of the Atlanta picks that will be the package they take or take none at all because no one reached their minimum threshhold. I can see SA including one or more of the Atlanta picks in a trade with the Hawks simply because they are more valuable to Atlanta than other FRPs and quite possibly be able to reduce other parts of the package. This narrative of Atlanta requiring all of their picks back to trade with San Antonio is the most baseless of many baseless assumptions on this board.

[DPG21920]

I'm almost as interested in moving into the back part of the first round. I realize there's a roster crunch, but most of those players are pretty marginal.

Probably too much to take on three rookies. However, Knicks have 24 and 25. Other teams might want to dump slight bits of salary and generally the notion is that early second round is more flexible for cap-strapped contending teams than the late first. They can be limber with finances and go two-way.

As I've said before, I'd vastly prefer drafting Furphy at 20 than Risacher at 2. Not that I dislike Risacher, and do expect to draft him, but that the value is skewed.

Im 100% fine with moving back as well

[buttsR4rebounding]

Im 100% fine with moving back as well

I'd actually prefer to trade out for proven players that fill a need. Draft picks tend to be overvalued as a general rule.

[LeBowen]

I'd actually prefer to trade out for proven players that fill a need. Draft picks tend to be overvalued as a general rule.

Agreed.
Draft whoever they think is the best choice with #4 and trade #8 in a package for an actual NBA player. If they don't like anyone available at #8, that is.
Why would anyone want to move down with Brian Wright's draft record? We don't need more Branhams and Wesleys.

How would we even develop those kids?
Developing players is way harder on awful teams. They just pick up bad habits and slowly fade away into mediocrity.
You think it's a coincidence Spurs draft picks developed into way better players when we were actually good?

[DPG21920]

I'd actually prefer to trade out for proven players that fill a need. Draft picks tend to be overvalued as a general rule.

I dont really agree with that tbh…I think draft picks are the most important thing. But I do also think theres a time and place to trade for guys who you know you like and are good and proven. If SA gets a chance at that, they should be open to it.

[spurraider21]

yeah id be shocked if Risacher falls to 4, however I can 100% see the Wizards taking Clingan. they've been pretty much signaling they want center BADLY for a long time.

To the point where there was legit ideas if the Spurs won the lottery, of flipping that to them for Avdija
i mean they had gafford, and then dealt him away, but wizards taking clingan would be a welcome development.

[LeBowen]

I dont really agree with that tbh…I think draft picks are the most important thing. But I do also think theres a time and place to trade for guys who you know you like and are good and proven. If SA gets a chance at that, they should be open to it.

As I wrote yesterday:
If we traded 4 FRPs for Markkanen, people would lose their shit.
Spurs 7 FRPs before Wemby were Sochan, Wesley, Branham, Primo, Vassell, Samanic, Johnson.
Ainge doesn't pick up the phone if we offer 5 that are still in the league for Markkanen.

Teams that find balance evaluating picks are the most successful.
Can't blow your load just for the sake of it, but hoarding picks and piling up losing season destroys franchises.

[The Truth #6]

I can't understand a non shooting center in the first 5 picks much less 10. Edey seems like a way better value for dominant college centers who in the common parlance are known as "oafs".

[The Truth #6]

So I'm sort of curious about Markkannen but doesn't seem to fit what we need most. And why isn't Utah better with him? Curious what I'm missing.

[LeBowen]

So I'm sort of curious about Markkannen but doesn't seem to fit what we need most. And why isn't Utah better with him? Curious what I'm missing.

What do we need the most on PF position?
He's an elite shooter, can put the ball on the floor and score in mid range, good around the rim and a solid enough defender when he's got a rim protector next to him.
Which part of 23/8 seven footer who's shooting 40% from 3pt on 8 attempts isn't a good with Wemby?

Utah isn't better because they keep shutting down their best players in order to get a better pick.
Last season they were 37-45, but ended the season 2-10, blatantly tanking.
This season they were 31-51, but ended the season 3-17, blatantly tanking yet again.
Markkanen said that he won't put up with being shut down while healthy again.
He's willing to sign an extension there, but only if they actually try to win games and make the playoffs.
If they decide to tank, Spurs must be first in line to acquire his services.

[scott]

For me, the target at the end of the first is Tyler Smith or Filipowski.

[poopbox]

Sochan’s not untouchable by any means, but I agree, trading him to move up two or three spots in a flat draft is not a decision that a front office in possession of its faculties would make.

I think it's the other way around. The Spurs couldn't give Sochan away if they tried. He's a tweener forward who can't shoot, can't defend, and generally doesn't make any impact on the floor outside of scoring easy buckets off Wemby double and triple teams.

If going from 8 to 5 guarantees me I get the player I want in any draft I don't care how bad it is, and all I got to do is trade Sochan and 8 to do it, I did it 365 out of 365 times, 366 times in a leap year.

[SpursFan86]

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Clingan going in the top 3 would be so nice for us. Would pretty much guarantee us one of Risacher/Sheppard.

[Mr. Body]

I think it's the other way around. The Spurs couldn't give Sochan away if they tried. He's a tweener forward who can't shoot, can't defend, and generally doesn't make any impact on the floor outside of scoring easy buckets off Wemby double and triple teams.

Sorry bro, you're just straight up wrong.

[objective]

I would not be surprised if they take Carrington at 8 as the 'late riser no one expects so high because we're so so s-m-r-t!" surprise pick

He physically looks just like Dejounte did in college body wise plus a big hairstyle

On the other hand, if I remember right he has some good analytics to his resume unlike Primo, so the Spurs may not like that.

[SpursDynasty85]

Sorry bro, you're just straight up wrong.

You have to admit, last season's experiment went so bad that it definitely hurt Sochan's stock. You could tell it really hurt his confidence a bit. Luckily he is still young and this year he needs to bounce back.

[SpursDynasty85]

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Clingan going in the top 3 would be so nice for us. Would pretty much guarantee us one of Risacher/Sheppard.

Clingan might be there best bet at improving the team the next 2-3 years when they don't have any draft picks. They are in win-now mode. They will definitely explore trading down a bit because of this.

[LeBowen]

You have to admit, last season's experiment went so bad that it definitely hurt Sochan's stock. You could tell it really hurt his confidence a bit. Luckily he is still young and this year he needs to bounce back.

It hurt his stock because he can't shoot.
A forward who can shoot, but his ballhandling and playmaking skills are limited to tertiary role is fine.
A forward who can't shoot or be a primary/secondary playmaker isn't fine.

My actual issue with him is that he has no semblance of a layup package whatsoever.
He just randomly throws shit up and hopes for the best.
He took 233 2PT shots outside the restricted area and made 77. Good for 33%.
That's just disgustingly bad.

Not counting dunks, his layups in the restricted area were 125/240. Good for 52%.
He's a 6'8 forward, ffs.

If not for his personality and poor Rodman imitation, people would already be over him.

He should get one more season in a role that suits him, but if he doesn't make some serious improvements in every aspect of the game, he'll never be anything more than a minimum contract player.

[The Truth #6]

What do we need the most on PF position?
He's an elite shooter, can put the ball on the floor and score in mid range, good around the rim and a solid enough defender when he's got a rim protector next to him.
Which part of 23/8 seven footer who's shooting 40% from 3pt on 8 attempts isn't a good with Wemby?

Utah isn't better because they keep shutting down their best players in order to get a better pick.
Last season they were 37-45, but ended the season 2-10, blatantly tanking.
This season they were 31-51, but ended the season 3-17, blatantly tanking yet again.
Markkanen said that he won't put up with being shut down while healthy again.
He's willing to sign an extension there, but only if they actually try to win games and make the playoffs.
If they decide to tank, Spurs must be first in line to acquire his services.

Fair point about tanking. If we only have one chance to go all in, I would think a perimeter player who can score and get others involved would be the priority, not risking what Wemby is doing well already.

[Seventyniner]

As I wrote yesterday:
If we traded 4 FRPs for Markkanen, people would lose their shit.
Spurs 7 FRPs before Wemby were Sochan, Wesley, Branham, Primo, Vassell, Samanic, Johnson.
Ainge doesn't pick up the phone if we offer 5 that are still in the league for Markkanen.

Teams that find balance evaluating picks are the most successful.
Can't blow your load just for the sake of it, but hoarding picks and piling up losing season destroys franchises.

I can't agree with the idea that recently picked players are equivalent to future firsts. The future picks are much more liquid, allow the receiving FO to pick the player they want, and are cost controlled for longer.

I disagree with the bolded part too. Wesley and Branham are whatever, but Vassell and Johnson are on good value contracts and Sochan is positive value, while Markkanen could very well walk after this season.

[LeBowen]

Fair point about tanking. If we only have one chance to go all in, I would think a perimeter player who can score and get others involved would be the priority, not risking what Wemby is doing well already.

It's not an all in with all the picks we own.
We'd obviously also need a good point guard.
That was my idea in the ideal offseason topic, getting DJ and Lauri.
But regardless of who we get, I think a Lauri type forward would make Wemby unstoppable.
He's basically a 7 foot Klay.
New point guard, Devin and Wemby would be the initiators, with two elite 3pt shooters to punish any help.

I'm not a basketball mastermind, but building around Wemby looks fairly easy to me.


I can't agree with the idea that recently picked players are equivalent to future firsts. The future picks are much more liquid, allow the receiving FO to pick the player they want, and are cost controlled for longer.

I disagree with the bolded part too. Wesley and Branham are whatever, but Vassell and Johnson are on good value contracts and Sochan is positive value, while Markkanen could very well walk after this season.

Obviously it was a whataboutism example to show how hard it is to draft all-star players, even with high picks.
Read the Sochan post and his atrocious FG. He could develop, but as of now he's maybe worth a late first rounder.
Keldon is also a low IQ, no defense, high energy guy off the bench. Good for 7th or 8th best player on a serious playoff roster.
Obviously I wouldn't make that trade without Markkanen agreeing to extend right away.

[NASpurs]

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Clingan going in the top 3 would be so nice for us. Would pretty much guarantee us one of Risacher/Sheppard.

Doesn't this go in line with what Dusty Garza was reporting with them trading down to the Spurs?

[SpursDynasty85]

It hurt his stock because he can't shoot.
A forward who can shoot, but his ballhandling and playmaking skills are limited to tertiary role is fine.
A forward who can't shoot or be a primary/secondary playmaker isn't fine.

My actual issue with him is that he has no semblance of a layup package whatsoever.
He just randomly throws shit up and hopes for the best.
He took 233 2PT shots outside the restricted area and made 77. Good for 33%.
That's just disgustingly bad.

Not counting dunks, his layups in the restricted area were 125/240. Good for 52%.
He's a 6'8 forward, ffs.

If not for his personality and poor Rodman imitation, people would already be over him.

He should get one more season in a role that suits him, but if he doesn't make some serious improvements in every aspect of the game, he'll never be anything more than a minimum contract player.

I think it's obvious he will never be an excellent 3 point shooter, however, he showed glimpses of playmaking ability but because that fizzled out this past season, his stock is low. I think he can slowly improve in all areas and yes his finishing at the rim is the biggest concern because that HAS to be his greatest strength. He looked better in year 1 in this category which hopefully was because of the pg experiment messing with his whole game.

[z0sa]

I think it's obvious he will never be an excellent 3 point shooter, however, he showed glimpses of playmaking ability but because that fizzled out this past season, his stock is low. I think he can slowly improve in all areas and yes his finishing at the rim is the biggest concern because that HAS to be his greatest strength. He looked better in year 1 in this category which hopefully was because of the pg experiment messing with his whole game.

Sochan missed Wemby for wide open shots - usually dunks - literally dozens of times this season. He's anti-playmaking, at least for the only one on the team that actually matters in terms of how you gauge someone's playmaking skills.

The Spurs sucked, in large part, because Sochan is blind and makes terrible decisions, especially when driving or God forbid, initiating offense.

[DPG21920]

Doesn't this go in line with what Dusty Garza was reporting with them trading down to the Spurs?

I really don’t see why Spurs would trade 4 + 8 for 1 tbh…I mean, whatever, if they love someone that much that’s fine, but seems silly on the surface. Just force ATL to take Clingan first or miss out on him. ATL taking Clingan first opens up the path for Risacher to make it to 4 so not sure why SA would trade up for him

If ATL would take Clingan 4, then who cares, just take him at one and be done with it.

[SpursDynasty85]

Sochan missed Wemby for wide open shots - usually dunks - literally dozens of times this season. He's anti-playmaking, at least for the only one on the team that actually matters in terms of how you gauge someone's playmaking skills.

The Spurs sucked, in large part, because Sochan is blind and makes terrible decisions, especially when driving or God forbid, initiating offense. He's much better at passing when he is a PF than a PG though. It really messed with his head.

[z0sa]

He's much better at passing when he is a PF than a PG though. It really messed with his head.

I see your point but he isn't a playmaker, at least, not yet and with no clear signs he ever will be one. He's best utilized finishing off someone else's penetration/gravity, IE Wemby just being alive on the same side of the court. If he had a 3 point shot that was at all reliable, I'd say he's definitely underrated. Without it, he's a net neutral role player who primarily earns his cash dunking or defending.

[exstatic]

As I wrote yesterday:
If we traded 4 FRPs for Markkanen, people would lose their shit.
Spurs 7 FRPs before Wemby were Sochan, Wesley, Branham, Primo, Vassell, Samanic, Johnson.
Ainge doesn't pick up the phone if we offer 5 that are still in the league for Markkanen.

Teams that find balance evaluating picks are the most successful.
Can't blow your load just for the sake of it, but hoarding picks and piling up losing season destroys franchises.

We’re not picking at these positions (9,26,20,11,10,19,29) though, we’re picking at 4 and 8. Not all first rounders are equal. Not all top 10 picks are equal.

[LeBowen]

He's much better at passing when he is a PF than a PG though. It really messed with his head.

Sochan in 33 games at PG: 4 assists and 2.1 turnovers.
Sochan in 40 games at PF: 2.9 assists, 1.7 turnovers.

I don't think his passing was much better, it's just that he wasn't pressured to make more advanced passes.
His ast/TO ratio is actually good on paper, but we all know how it actually looked.

Idk, I really want him to succeed, but right now he doesn't have a lot going for him.
If Keldon is traded, I think he should be the 6th man next season.


We’re not picking at these positions (9,26,20,11,10,19,29) though, we’re picking at 4 and 8. Not all first rounders are equal. Not all top 10 picks are equal.

As I said, it was a whataboutism to paint a picture.
Also in response to some comments we could trade down.
9+10+11 is as valuable as 4+8.

[SpursFan86]

I really don’t see why Spurs would trade 4 + 8 for 1 tbh…I mean, whatever, if they love someone that much that’s fine, but seems silly on the surface. Just force ATL to take Clingan first or miss out on him. ATL taking Clingan first opens up the path for Risacher to make it to 4 so not sure why SA would trade up for him

If ATL would take Clingan 4, then who cares, just take him at one and be done with it.

Pretty much my thoughts exactly. Just hard to imagine the Spurs are that in love with Risacher.

I don’t doubt that Atlanta is interested in Clingan. I very much doubt that the Spurs would trade 4 and 8 to guarantee they can get Risacher. Spurs would love for ATL or one of these other top 3 teams to use a pick on Clingan.

[exstatic]

Sochan in 33 games at PG: 4 assists and 2.1 turnovers.
Sochan in 40 games at PF: 2.9 assists, 1.7 turnovers.

I don't think his passing was much better, it's just that he wasn't pressured to make more advanced passes.
His ast/TO ratio is actually good on paper, but we all know how it actually looked.

Idk, I really want him to succeed, but right now he doesn't have a lot going for him.
If Keldon is traded, I think he should be the 6th man next season.



As I said, it was a whataboutism to paint a picture.
Also in response to some comments we could trade down.
9+10+11 is as valuable as 4+8.

If you’ve ever seen the normal value curve of the NBA draft, you would understand that 4 itself is more valuable than those 3 picks. The odds of pulling a player who will ever make an ASG fall off a cliff after #5.

[scott]

It's fine to not want to give up on Sochan and believe he can still be a good player, but it's completely out of touch to think he has much value right now. At the very best case scenario he'd be worth a late first, more likely if a couple of seconds if we were trying to move him.

But we aren't in a position where we have to move him, so it's best to not take a bargain price and keep developing him. There is still plenty of opportunity for him to improve.

[Mr. Body]

Gaddamn can we get the draft already. It's fucking unbearable to adjudicate Sochan for the thousandth time. On one side we have a cadre of morons who hate him for playing out of position even if that wasn't his fault. Then we have another cadre of morons who think at twenty years old he's fully developed and think like we'd have to pay people to take him. Shut the fuck up. Just shut the fuck up. Go gossip about Taylor Swift or some other goaddamn nonsense. Can we keep this to the draft for gods sake.

[poopbox]

Sorry bro, you're just straight up wrong.

Data easily backs it up.

Like...other than right under the basket, show me 2 other places on the court that Sochan shoots at least league average from?

[scott]

Gaddamn can we get the draft already. It's fucking unbearable to adjudicate Sochan for the thousandth time. On one side we have a cadre of morons who hate him for playing out of position even if that wasn't his fault. Then we have another cadre of morons who think at twenty years old he's fully developed and think like we'd have to pay people to take him. Shut the fuck up. Just shut the fuck up. Go gossip about Taylor Swift or some other goaddamn nonsense. Can we keep this to the draft for gods sake.

I know you've read this here before... but here we go again:

No one is forcing you to visit or participate in this website.

[LeBowen]

Gaddamn can we get the draft already. It's fucking unbearable to adjudicate Sochan for the thousandth time. On one side we have a cadre of morons who hate him for playing out of position even if that wasn't his fault. Then we have another cadre of morons who think at twenty years old he's fully developed and think like we'd have to pay people to take him. Shut the fuck up. Just shut the fuck up. Go gossip about Taylor Swift or some other goaddamn nonsense. Can we keep this to the draft for gods sake.

Did anyone insult you? No.
Did anyone force you to read any of those posts? No.

Sochan is a 6'8 forward who can't shoot from deep, shoots 33% between the restricted area and 3pt line, barely makes 50% of his layups.
Wee can debate his passing, but if you think those aren't a reason for concern, you can shut the fuck up and fuck off.
Deranged individual telling people what to write about on an irrelevant, anonymous forum.

[rjv]

i mean, i'm not taking any sides here but commenting on someone's post that no one is forcing them to read anyone's post hints of a little irony.

[LeBowen]

i mean, i'm not taking any sides here but commenting on someone's post that no one is forcing them to read anyone's post hints of a little irony.

I should just put him on ignore list.
We were talking about Sochan and his future fit, I just post the very concerning numbers in every aspect of his game and then he's like "shut the fuck up".
I never had issues with him so far, but I often notice posts where he berates other users for no reason whatsoever and how a lot of posters think he's a joke.

[Vienna]

They would snap Sochan up in a second and run away giggling. That's insane.

so you agree, that this trade could work, because the Pistons would take him. Great. Technically we have a basic understanding.

[PhantomDashCam]

Feels like a draft where an exorbitant amount of players will be wearing the wrong hats at the podium. #hatgate
:lol

[TD 21]

I really don’t see why Spurs would trade 4 + 8 for 1 tbh…I mean, whatever, if they love someone that much that’s fine, but seems silly on the surface. Just force ATL to take Clingan first or miss out on him. ATL taking Clingan first opens up the path for Risacher to make it to 4 so not sure why SA would trade up for him

If ATL would take Clingan 4, then who cares, just take him at one and be done with it.

To get a player a malleable, high floor player, who can potentially play significant minutes deep in the playoffs, as opposed to two high bust archetype projects.

My guess is the Hawks aren't necessarily committed to any one player, but the highest value, which means they'd seemingly be fine with Clingan and Williams at 4 and 8, but not the former at 1.

[scott]

i mean, i'm not taking any sides here but commenting on someone's post that no one is forcing them to read anyone's post hints of a little irony.

The irony is not lost on me :lol

Normally I just ignore folks, but I actually really value a lot of Mr. Body's thoughts and posts. But the "go kill yourself/everyone who disagrees with me is a moron" sometimes passive-aggressive, sometimes just aggressive-aggressive bipolar episodes that are grating.

[Uriel]

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Clingan going in the top 3 would be so nice for us. Would pretty much guarantee us one of Risacher/Sheppard.
I really feel the Hawks are just floating these rumors to drive up the asking price.

[Uriel]

For the sake of argument, let’s say the Hawks really want Clingan and the Spurs want Risacher.

The Hawks recognize that picking Clingan at #1 is a reach, so they try to trade down with the Spurs to extract more value from their pick. The Spurs recognize this and reason that if the Hawks are truly in love with Clingan, they will pick him at #1 regardless, potentially allowing Risacher to fall to their laps at #4. So they don’t agree to the deal.

If that’s the case, two scenarios are possible: either the Spurs are right and the Hawks do pick Clingan at #1, or the Hawks make a selection in accordance with the value of their pick, which is Risacher at #1.

[DPG21920]

For the sake of argument, let’s say the Hawks really want Clingan and the Spurs want Risacher.

The Hawks recognize that picking Clingan at #1 is a reach, so they try to trade down with the Spurs to extract more value from their pick. The Spurs recognize this and reason that if the Hawks are truly in love with Clingan, they will pick him at #1 regardless, potentially allowing Risacher to fall to their laps at #4. So they don’t agree to the deal.

If that’s the case, two scenarios are possible: either the Spurs are right and the Hawks do pick Clingan at #1, or the Hawks make a selection in accordance with the value of their pick, which is Risacher at #1.

I dont think the gap between 1 and 4 matters all that much here so I dont see why ATL wouldn’t take who they want regardless. Makes no sense for ATL to like Clingan at 4 but not 1. I dont think ATL wants Risacher personally. Of course they could but I dont get the sense they really do.

[Pauleta14]

I think it's obvious he will never be an excellent 3 point shooter, however, he showed glimpses of playmaking ability but because that fizzled out this past season, his stock is low. I think he can slowly improve in all areas and yes his finishing at the rim is the biggest concern because that HAS to be his greatest strength. He looked better in year 1 in this category which hopefully was because of the pg experiment messing with his whole game.

He plays his head down 90% of the time and can't read the court. He has his plan A and then it's just rebounding and calling his number

It's a lot more than just his 3pts shooting that needs to improve

[Atl Spur]

The irony is not lost on me :lol

Normally I just ignore folks, but I actually really value a lot of Mr. Body's thoughts and posts. But the "go kill yourself/everyone who disagrees with me is a moron" sometimes passive-aggressive, sometimes just aggressive-aggressive bipolar episodes that are grating.

You a funny dude……at least I hope you are a dude! Your opinion pieces are the best bud.

[Atl Spur]

I should just put him on ignore list.
We were talking about Sochan and his future fit, I just post the very concerning numbers in every aspect of his game and then he's like "shut the fuck up".
I never had issues with him so far, but I often notice posts where he berates other users for no reason whatsoever and how a lot of posters think he's a joke.

You’ll be showing him! I say do it!! How about you might be the joke…a novel concept to you I’m sure. Quit trying so hard…

[timtonymanu]

You a funny dude……at least I hope you are a dude! Your opinion pieces are the best bud.

You want him to be a dude so you could show him your primo, right?

[exstatic]

so you agree, that this trade could work, because the Pistons would take him. Great. Technically we have a basic understanding.

Tradng Wemby for a second rounder also works.

[JPB]

As I wrote yesterday:
If we traded 4 FRPs for Markkanen, people would lose their shit.
Spurs 7 FRPs before Wemby were Sochan, Wesley, Branham, Primo, Vassell, Samanic, Johnson.
Ainge doesn't pick up the phone if we offer 5 that are still in the league for Markkanen.

Teams that find balance evaluating picks are the most successful.
Can't blow your load just for the sake of it, but hoarding picks and piling up losing season destroys franchises.

Yup, that's why you have to pile up the picks for a player like Lauri nowadays. FRPs don't have as much value as they did for themselves , (but more as trade assets) and you're not trading Lauri for a couple of random picks who may both bust, plus some becnh guy and third stringer, or whatever. Just have to look at what MIN had to give for Gobert.

[Uriel]

If the Hawks want Clingan, the Wizards want Sarr, and the Rockets want Sheppard, why don’t each of those teams just pick those guys so the Spurs can get Risacher? That way, everyone gets their first choice and everyone is happy.

[exstatic]

Yup, that's why you have to pile up the picks for a player like Lauri nowadays. FRPs don't have as much value as they did for themselves , (but more as trade assets) and you're not trading Lauri for a couple of random picks who may both bust, plus some becnh guy and third stringer, or whatever. Just have to look at what MIN had to give for Gobert.

Yeah, they gave up all that for Gobert to advance an extra round or two in the playoffs, which no one will remember. Meanwhile, their payroll will go into crisis in the next year or two when Ant gets paid.

[Mr. Body]

The market for lots of picks for players has probably disappeared. Everyone is tapped out among contenders who are more likely to need to drop salary anyway. And then the asset hoarders don't seem to want to enter the market yet.

What we'll likely see are players swapped for each other. I don't think Ainge is getting a big pick package for the Finn.

[rankingtear]

Spurs are out on Dilly per Wass. Cody again being mentioned as well as Carter. Big wings tend to rise up draft boards. Zacch, Matas and Cody could be top 5. I think Carter buzz is to generate a trade down scenario for the swings in Salaun or Carrington.

[Eaglenole2002]

Spurs are out on Dilly per Wass. Cody again being mentioned as well as Carter. Big wings tend to rise up draft boards. Zacch, Matas and Cody could be top 5. I think Carter buzz is to generate a trade down scenario for the swings in Salaun or Carrington.
Link?

[Uriel]

Spurs are out on Dilly per Wass. Cody again being mentioned as well as Carter. Big wings tend to rise up draft boards. Zacch, Matas and Cody could be top 5. I think Carter buzz is to generate a trade down scenario for the swings in Salaun or Carrington.
It would be really great if you could provide a link. Thanks.

[rankingtear]

bleacher report new mock

[Mr. Body]

bleacher report new mock

The Spurs are in the practice of telling Bleacher Report which players they're not interested in. Especially when that player is only now starting to do workouts because he's been hurt.

[CGD]

It would be really great if you could provide a link. Thanks.

Believe its this one: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10124239-2024-nba-mock-draft-top-5-shakeup-plus-full-2-round-predictions-with-2-weeks-to-go

[rankingtear]

The Spurs are in the practice of telling Bleacher Report which players they're not interested in. Especially when that player is only now starting to do workouts because he's been hurt.

FO pretty much telling every agent to stop trying to get the midgets on our team.

[JPB]

Yeah, they gave up all that for Gobert to advance an extra round or two in the playoffs, which no one will remember. Meanwhile, their payroll will go into crisis in the next year or two when Ant gets paid.

Sure, I'm not even questioning the pertinence of the move (I wouldn't have done that trade). but that sitll what it took for MIN to get Gobert and Ainge will find a team read to pack the truck for Lauri, (which might be more pertinent than for Gobert).

[JPB]

Spurs are out on Dilly per Wass. Cody again being mentioned as well as Carter. Big wings tend to rise up draft boards. Zacch, Matas and Cody could be top 5. I think Carter buzz is to generate a trade down scenario for the swings in Salaun or Carrington.

Not surprising when you think about it that size would be rising up in that timid draft. Can't teach lengh. Sarr, Zach, Clingan, Buz, Cody, Castle could be top 5-8 with Salaun not that far.

[Mr. Body]

For those getting on Bub Carrington, he really is in the 'what if he puts it all together' mold of Blake Wesley and Malaki Branham. In fact...

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=carlton-carrington--malaki-branham--blake-wesley

In pretty much every way he'd be behind Malaki coming out of college and more or less equivalent with Blake.

[playblair]

zach randolph says spurs r going to draft dj burns & turn him into dejuan blair to pair with wembanyama.......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTSyeHHPn2E

[DAF86]

For those getting on Bub Carrington, he really is in the 'what if he puts it all together' mold of Blake Wesley and Malaki Branham. In fact...

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=carlton-carrington--malaki-branham--blake-wesley

In pretty much every way he'd be behind Malaki coming out of college and more or less equivalent with Blake.

Branham and Wesley were never 3 level scorers, Carrington is. Bub is also the much better playmaker. They really aren't all that similar at all.

[Eaglenole2002]

Branham and Wesley were never 3 level scorers, Carrington is. Bub is also the much better playmaker. They really aren't all that similar at all.

Yeah, I see very few similarities. Maybe with Branham because he could make midrange jumpers and wasn’t a rim pressure guy, but he wasn’t much of a passer and ball handler. Wesley was just a bet on his athleticism and speed. He didn’t have much feel coming out of Notre Dame (and still doesn’t).

[Mr. Body]

Branham and Wesley were never 3 level scorers, Carrington is. Bub is also the much better playmaker. They really aren't all that similar at all.

Saying Carrington is a three level scorer is very optimistic. He's not much of a scorer at all. This is my point. He's statistically inept, not very good. We're just saying that "What if he was actually good?" Branham was more of a three level scorer than he was -- was a much more efficient three-point shooter, a vastly better midrange. Carrington really isn't good right now. He shot .412 from the field and .322 from range.

Point is, Carrington is hope and dreams right now but he's not being described as such. He's exactly the same as the other two.

[Bartleby]

zach randolph says spurs r going to draft dj burns & turn him into dejuan blair to pair with wembanyama.......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTSyeHHPn2E

Does he have ACLs?

[DAF86]

Saying Carrington is a three level scorer is very optimistic. He's not much of a scorer at all. This is my point. He's statistically inept, not very good. We're just saying that "What if he was actually good?" Branham was more of a three level scorer than he was -- was a much more efficient three-point shooter, a vastly better midrange. Carrington really isn't good right now. He shot .412 from the field and .322 from range.

Point is, Carrington is hope and dreams right now but he's not being described as such. He's exactly the same as the other two.

Have you seen scouting reports and/or games from them? Branham shot that % on very low volume, selective 3pt shooting. Carrington hits all kind of different 3pt looks. 32% on higher volume and wider type of shots is way more valuable than 41% on low volume and only catch and shoot. Carrington's 3pt shot projects to be much more impactful than Brahnam's at the NBA level. There's also the playmaking stuff. For real, they aren't similar players at all. :lol

[Mr. Body]

Have you seen scouting reports and/or games from them? Branham shot that % on very low volume, selective 3pt shooting. Carrington hits all kind of different 3pt looks. 32% on higher volume and wider type of shots is way more valuable than 41% on low volume and only catch and shoot. Carrington's 3pt shot projects to be much more impactful than Brahnam's at the NBA level. There's also the playmaking stuff. For real, they aren't similar players at all. :lol

I don't know why this is hard for you to understand. Bub Carrington is not a good player. He kind of sucks. People are acting like he's this superb get in the draft. I'm saying - no - he's exactly like these other players who had a long way to go. Carrington doesn't project to be any better or worse than those players because he sucks now. There's no projection at all, much less pretending that sucking is the same as going to be good. And the idea that Carrington fired off all kinds of threes and hit barely any of them doesn't give me much confidence. It certainly doesn't say "three level scorer." I can find some eight year old in a gym who is a "three level scorer" by that metric.

Carrington is a massive project and acting otherwise is stupid.

This is not hard to understand.

[PhantomDashCam]

I’d argue that every player in the lottery this year is a project sans Carter, Knecht and Clingan.
And even in those cases, your hoping that Carter can be more of an initiator than what he’s shown thus far and Clingan can develop a jumper to justify the high selections.

[Uriel]

We know the following things about the Spurs’ draft strategy:

1. They’re in the market for a wing and a point guard
2. They value positional size
3. They like multi-skilled, multi-positional players

Therefore, we can deduce that the following combinations are possible:

1. Castle at 4 and Williams/Salaun/Knecht at 8
2. Buzelis at 4 and Topic/Carter at 8

[PhantomDashCam]

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[scott]

We know the following things about the Spurs’ draft strategy:

1. They’re in the market for a wing and a point guard
2. They value positional size
3. They like multi-skilled, multi-positional players

Therefore, we can deduce that the following combinations are possible:

1. Castle at 4 and Williams/Salaun/Knecht at 8
2. Buzelis at 4 and Topic/Carter at 8

It's unfortunately that one of those skills isn't shooting, apparently :lol (Aside from Devin and Joel Wiseguy)

[DAF86]

I don't know why this is hard for you to understand. Bub Carrington is not a good player. He kind of sucks. People are acting like he's this superb get in the draft. I'm saying - no - he's exactly like these other players who had a long way to go. Carrington doesn't project to be any better or worse than those players because he sucks now. There's no projection at all, much less pretending that sucking is the same as going to be good. And the idea that Carrington fired off all kinds of threes and hit barely any of them doesn't give me much confidence. It certainly doesn't say "three level scorer." I can find some eight year old in a gym who is a "three level scorer" by that metric.

Carrington is a massive project and acting otherwise is stupid.

This is not hard to understand.

Dude, 32% from 3 on 6.5 attempts per game, while shooting most of those off the drible, step backs and even fade aways is fucking great for a teenage freshman, the fuck are you talking about? :lol

Heck, Trae, who was thought as a great shooter, shot 34% from 3 on that same 3pt look diet.

[Uriel]

If you were to group the lottery prospects into tiers, how would you do it? Here's what I think:

Tier 1
- Zaccharie Risacher
- Alex Sarr

Tier 2
- Donovan Clingan
- Reed Sheppard
- Matas Buzelis
- Stephon Castle

Tier 3
- Rob Dillingham
- Dalton Knecht
- Tidjane Salaun
- Nikola Topic
- Ron Holland
- Cody Williams

Tier 4
- Devin Carter
- Ja'Kobe Walter

[scott]

If you were to group the lottery prospects into tiers, how would you do it? Here's what I think:

Tier 1
- Zaccharie Risacher
- Alex Sarr

Tier 2
- Donovan Clingan
- Reed Sheppard
- Matas Buzelis
- Stephon Castle

Tier 3
- Rob Dillingham
- Dalton Knecht
- Tidjane Salaun
- Nikola Topic
- Ron Holland
- Cody Williams

Tier 4
- Devin Carter
- Ja'Kobe Walter

The way I look at tiers is that you would under no circumstance draft a player from a lower tier ahead of a player from a higher tier. So with that said, the tiers is very team dependent. So, my personal tiers, with the Spurs specifically in mind:

Tier 1:

Buzelis
Sheppard
Dillingham
Castle
Risacher

Tier 2:

Holland
Carter

Tier 3:

Williams
Knecht
Sarr
Clingan

Tier 4:

Topic
McCain
Walter
Collier
Tyler Smith
Furphy
Filipowski

[SpursFan86]

1801363266951664004

Obviously take with a grain of salt but…seems like the chatter around this keeps getting louder. Maybe he’s just repeating what other reports have hinted at though :lol

[spurraider21]

from a spurs-centric perspective, here's probably how i do it

Tier 1 - I would be happy if we selected him at #4 overall

Risacher
Sheppard
Dillingham

Tier 2 - I would be content with selecting him at #4, but would be happy getting him at #8

Sarr
Holland
Castle* (not point guard)

Tier 3 - I would be content with selecting him at #8
Buzelis
Cody Williams
Clingan

Tier 4 - I could live with selecting him at #8

Knecht
Topic
Collier
Carter
anybody else (read: Salaun) would be :pctoss

sarr is a weird one because the fit isnt obvious but at some point you bet on the player talent and figure it out later. its also why i have clingan in tier 3

[SpursDynasty85]

1801363266951664004

Obviously take with a grain of salt but…seems like the chatter around this keeps getting louder. Maybe he’s just repeating what other reports have hinted at though :lol

In a relatively flat draft, taking someone like Clingan who could theoretically help them the most the next 3 years makes lots of sense especially considering their window and all the draft picks owed to the Spurs.

[mo7888]

If you were to group the lottery prospects into tiers, how would you do it? Here's what I think:

Tier 1
- Zaccharie Risacher
- Alex Sarr

Tier 2
- Donovan Clingan
- Reed Sheppard
- Matas Buzelis
- Stephon Castle

Tier 3
- Rob Dillingham
- Dalton Knecht
- Tidjane Salaun
- Nikola Topic
- Ron Holland
- Cody Williams

Tier 4
- Devin Carter
- Ja'Kobe Walter

2024 NBA Draft Board
Tier 1:
1. Zaccharie Risacher
2. Alex Sarr
3. Matas Buzelis
Tier 2:
4. Reed Shephard
5. Cody Williams
6. Stephen Castle
7. Dalton Knecht
8. Tidjane Salaun
9. Donovan Clingan
Tier 3:
10. Robert Dillingham
11. Isaiah Collier
12. JaKobe Walter
13. Kyle Filipowski
14. Nikola Topic
15. Ron Holland
16. Johnny Furphy
17. Jared McCain
18. Devin Carter
Tier 4:
19. Tyler Smith
20. Ke'lel Ware
21. Yves Missi
22. Zach Edey
23. Bobi Klintman
24. Kyshawn George
Tier 5:
25. Pacome Dadiet
26. Trevon Brazile
27. Baylor Scheierman
28. Melvin Ajinca
29. Tristan Da Silva
30. Pelle Larsson

[scott]

Really good off-season outlook article from ESPN here, for those curious about other team's situations: https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/40286276/nba-free-agency-2024-priorities-player-needs-30-teams-draft-outlook

[PhantomDashCam]

Could be a big ol’ nothing burger…However,
Saw that Boogie Ellis just pulled out of his Pacers Workout.
Recently worked out for Spurs and Magic.
Could be a target at #48…Has a similar body type to Rob Dillingham…

[Splits]

Just please no Bustzelis or Saluoff. Anyone but these two losers who can't hit the backside of a barn.

[jesterbobman]

For those getting on Bub Carrington, he really is in the 'what if he puts it all together' mold of Blake Wesley and Malaki Branham. In fact...

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=carlton-carrington--malaki-branham--blake-wesley

In pretty much every way he'd be behind Malaki coming out of college and more or less equivalent with Blake.

I know they haven't worked in any good way, but I still think that Malaki and Blake were good prospects to bet on in terms of upside and creation at that point in the draft. Malaki was OK but young, Blake was kind of objectively not good but you could see that he generated rim pressure at an outstanding level.

[heyheymymy]

1801363266951664004

Obviously take with a grain of salt but…seems like the chatter around this keeps getting louder. Maybe he’s just repeating what other reports have hinted at though :lol


In a relatively flat draft, taking someone like Clingan who could theoretically help them the most the next 3 years makes lots of sense especially considering their window and all the draft picks owed to the Spurs.

https://live.staticflickr.com/5327/10112495674_e9252095d6_b.jpg

[buttsR4rebounding]

Really good off-season outlook article from ESPN here, for those curious about other team's situations: https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/40286276/nba-free-agency-2024-priorities-player-needs-30-teams-draft-outlook

What does it say about SA? What is the future asset score? Thanks. I don’t subscribe to ESPN.

[Mr. Body]

Dude, 32% from 3 on 6.5 attempts per game, while shooting most of those off the drible, step backs and even fade aways is fucking great for a teenage freshman, the fuck are you talking about? :lol

Heck, Trae, who was thought as a great shooter, shot 34% from 3 on that same 3pt look diet.

Yeah, man. Bub Carrington is a theoretical player. Branham could have been shooting the same shots and you would have been getting a chubby over him, too. I guess you didn't watch Carrington, and no one watched Carrington, you just watched clips packages and are jerking off furiously. Because he wasn't good.

He is just as theoretical as Branham and Wesley were. He's a project, just like they are. And frankly, just getting wildly optimistic because a player has a certain shot diet, when he's not yet a good shooter, is pretty wild. Might as well get excited about Ja'Kobe Walter. No, you're just following the crowd.

This is NOT hard to understand. Get your hands out of your pants.

[SpursFan86]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/page/NBADraft24-40339548/2024-nba-draft-ranking-best-player-fits-next-san-antonio-spurs-star-victor-wembanyama

ESPN article on who the best fits would be next to Wemby. Nothing earth-shattering but the below are the top 3 (in order) at each pick:

4th: Sheppard, Dillingham, Risacher

8th: Topic, Knecht, Salaun (bleh on these 3)

35th: Terrance Shannon, Adem Bona, Juan Nunez

48th: Cam Spencer, Jaylen Wells, Bronny James :lol

[jeebus]

Bronny James :lol

Wouldn't be an ESPN draft article if they didn't include ledipshit's spawn in there.

[Vienna]

I know they haven't worked in any good way, but I still think that Malaki and Blake were good prospects to bet on in terms of upside and creation at that point in the draft. Malaki was OK but young, Blake was kind of objectively not good but you could see that he generated rim pressure at an outstanding level.

I liked the picks in 2022 and I would be ready to move on. they placed a bet and it didn't work, no big deal. if this was a different sport or league, they would go out on loan and see if they can develop in an other environment.
but with limited roster spots and many picks to come in, I would take the new chance over them, even if the new bet (call him Carrington) doesn't offer better odds than those two did two years ago.

[Mr. Body]

I know they haven't worked in any good way, but I still think that Malaki and Blake were good prospects to bet on in terms of upside and creation at that point in the draft. Malaki was OK but young, Blake was kind of objectively not good but you could see that he generated rim pressure at an outstanding level.

They were totally good bets and the story's not over for them. I think Branham will get more play. I don't think Blake will stick, but he's young and can still develop somewhere.

Like always, people do a lot of bitching without going in and seeing what the landscape of a draft actually was. Looking at who was available in the late first and on in 2022, one could certainly make a case for other players, but none of them seem like obvious picks. Maybe Andrew Nembhard, but the team already had Tre Jones as a backup point.

What's going on with the Blake/Branham picks is exactly what the Carrington pick would be -- a swing on a young player who has pieces but hasn't put it together. Those are fine swings. They also happened before Wembanyama. Arguably the team doesn't need to take swings on these types anymore. The timeline has changed.

Also, for everyone bitching about shooting on this team, Branham was that shooting type. Then, when we get that shooting type, everyone switches to bitching about their defense. I'm full-on convinced most of this board is going to bitch about the same players they insist that we draft this year.

[DAF86]

Yeah, man. Bub Carrington is a theoretical player. Branham could have been shooting the same shots and you would have been getting a chubby over him, too. I guess you didn't watch Carrington, and no one watched Carrington, you just watched clips packages and are jerking off furiously. Because he wasn't good.

He is just as theoretical as Branham and Wesley were. He's a project, just like they are. And frankly, just getting wildly optimistic because a player has a certain shot diet, when he's not yet a good shooter, is pretty wild. Might as well get excited about Ja'Kobe Walter. No, you're just following the crowd.

This is NOT hard to understand. Get your hands out of your pants.

FWIW, I have watched 3 full games from Carrington. You have the full games on youtube.

[baseline bum]

If you were to group the lottery prospects into tiers, how would you do it?

Tier 3
- Alex Sarr
- Zaccharie Risacher

Tier 4
- Donovan Clingan
- Reed Sheppard
- Matas Buzelis
- Stephon Castle

Tier 5
- Rob Dillingham
- Ron Holland
- Devin Carter
- Cody Williams
- Dalton Knecht

Tier 6
- Tidjane Salaun
- Ja'Kobe Walter

Tier 7
- Nikola Topic

[baseline bum]

Wouldn't be an ESPN draft article if they didn't include ledipshit's spawn in there.

ROFL ESPN acting like anyone would piss away a draft pick on that scrub if daddy isn't coming along

[Mugen]

Please god let Clingan go Top 3 tbh

[Mugen]

ROFL ESPN acting like anyone would piss away a draft pick on that scrub if daddy isn't coming along

I need the Suns to waste a 1st rounder on him if Jeanie & Co. don't take him at #17 tbh. I'd die laughing if either scenario happened.

[DPG21920]

Really good off-season outlook article from ESPN here, for those curious about other team's situations: https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/40286276/nba-free-agency-2024-priorities-player-needs-30-teams-draft-outlook

Can you post the TL;DR for Spurs section?

[SPURt]

Can you post the TL;DR for Spurs section?
Have tons of draft capital over the next 7 years. Wemby is a center. Need a PG with size and shooting around Wemby. Need a second banana that can get his (or her?) own shot. Could have $20 million in cap space if they waive Graham and Bassey before July 1. Need upgrades at every position, especially the bench.

They don’t mention any current Spur as a real piece around Wemby.

[Raven]

If you were to group the lottery prospects into tiers, how would you do it? Here's what I think:

Tier 1
- Zaccharie Risacher
- Alex Sarr

Tier 2
- Donovan Clingan
- Reed Sheppard
- Matas Buzelis
- Stephon Castle

Tier 3
- Rob Dillingham
- Dalton Knecht
- Tidjane Salaun
- Nikola Topic
- Ron Holland
- Cody Williams

Tier 4
- Devin Carter
- Ja'Kobe Walter


Tier 1
- Zaccharie Risacher
- Alex Sarr

Tier 2
- Donovan Clingan
- Stephon Castle

Tier 3

- Dalton Knecht
- Cody Williams
- Nikola Topic
- Edey


Tier 4
- Rob Dillingham
- Ron Holland
- Tidjane Salaun
- Reed Sheppard
- Matas Buzelis
- Devin Carter
- Ja'Kobe Walter

[Raven]

Have tons of draft capital over the next 7 years. Wemby is a center. Need a PG with size and shooting around Wemby. Need a second banana that can get his (or her?) own shot. Could have $20 million in cap space if they waive Graham and Bassey before July 1. Need upgrades at every position, especially the bench.

They don’t mention any current Spur as a real piece around Wemby.

quite arguable. I mean he hasn't really shown post skills typical of a center.

[DPG21920]

Have tons of draft capital over the next 7 years. Wemby is a center. Need a PG with size and shooting around Wemby. Need a second banana that can get his (or her?) own shot. Could have $20 million in cap space if they waive Graham and Bassey before July 1. Need upgrades at every position, especially the bench.

They don’t mention any current Spur as a real piece around Wemby.

Appreciate it

[scott]

What does it say about SA? What is the future asset score? Thanks. I don’t subscribe to ESPN.

San Antonio Spurs (https://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs)Offseason priorities


The direction in the first round. San Antonio is the only team with two picks (No. 4 and No. 8) in the top 10.

What did the first year of Victor Wembanyama (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/5104157/victor-wembanyama) teach the coaching staff and front office? The Spurs were minus-0.5 points per 100 possessions with Wembanyama at center and minus-13.1 when he played power forward. San Antonio has two top-eight draft picks, potential cap flexibility, controllable contracts and future draft assets. The Spurs need stability at point guard and shooters around Wembanyama.

Should San Antonio accelerate the rebuild at the cost of draft capital? Including their own, the Spurs could have up to four first-round picks in 2025.

The 2024 draft


First: No. 4 (own) and No. 8 (via TOR)

Second: No. 35 (own) and No. 48 (via LAL)

Draft notebook
San Antonio appears ready to up the ante and get Wembanyama to the playoffs, making this a key opportunity to take swings high in the draft before the team presumably improves. The Spurs need to upgrade in the backcourt, with Stephon Castle (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4845367/stephon-castle) looking like a top option, but they have needs everywhere and should be aiming to find the right pair of prospects to work in tandem. Expect them to also look into trade opportunities, whether there's a chance to move back and still grab a prospect they like, or they deem it worth considering assets to move up instead. -- Woo



Team needs


Positional size at point guard

Shooters to complement Wembanyama

Bench upgrades across the board

Perimeter defenders in the starting lineup

Acquiring a three-level scorer and a roll-scoring ball handler

Competitive veterans

Energy reserves

Spacing development from Jeremy Sochan (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4610139/jeremy-sochan)

Future draft assets rating: 10 out of 10
The Spurs rank behind only Oklahoma City and Utah in most first-round picks over the next seven years. San Antonio is owed unprotected first-round picks from Atlanta in 2025 and 2027. The Spurs can also swap with the Hawks in 2026. San Antonio is also owed a first-round pick from Charlotte (top-14 protected in 2025, or else two second-round picks) and Chicago (top-eight protected in 2026 and 2027). San Antonio also has the right to swap firsts with Boston in 2028 (top-one protected) and Dallas in 2030 (unprotected). The Spurs have 18 second-round picks available.
Cash: $7.0 million (to send)
Cap space breakdown: The Spurs could have $20 million in room but would need to waive the contracts of Devonte' Graham (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3133601/devonte-graham) and Charles Bassey (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4397886/charles-bassey). Graham has a $12.7 million salary that is guaranteed for $2.8 million. The Bassey $2.5 million salary is non-guaranteed.
CBA impact: There are no trade restrictions for the Spurs. By the first day of the regular season, San Antonio must spend $127 million in salary.
Projected Depth Chart - San Antonio

PG
SG
SF
PF
C


T. Jones
D. Vassell
K. Johnson
J. Sochan
V. Wembanyama


M. Branham
D. GrahamPG
J. ChampagnieN
Z. Collins
C. BasseyNG


B. Wesley

S. Cissoko

R. Gray2


J. Bouyea2






2: Two-way; N: Non-guaranteed; PG: Partial guarantee


Dates to watch


June 29: The last day to tender one-year qualifying offers to Dominick Barlow (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4870562/dominick-barlow), David Duke Jr (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4397107/david-duke-jr). and Sandro Mamukelashvili (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4278580/sandro-mamukelashvili).

July 1: Graham's $12.7 million contract becomes guaranteed, with $2.85 million protected.

Extension eligible: Cedi Osman (https://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3893016/cedi-osman) (through June 30); Graham (as of July 6)
Free agent status


Cedi Osman | Bird | UFA

Sandro Mamukelashvili | Bird | RFA

Dominick Barlow | Early Bird | RFA

David Duke | Non-Bird | RFA

[montgod]

Tier 1
- Zaccharie Risacher
- Alex Sarr

Tier 2
- Donovan Clingan
- Stephon Castle

Tier 3

- Dalton Knecht
- Cody Williams
- Nikola Topic
- Edey


Tier 4
- Rob Dillingham
- Ron Holland
- Tidjane Salaun
- Reed Sheppard
- Matas Buzelis
- Devin Carter
- Ja'Kobe Walter

Agree with this the most but would probably move Edey to 4th tier. Still up in the air on Topic though. Definitely would be a good investment if you could get him later in the draft for the future, so based on his talent in 'this' draft, I'd keep him at that Tier 3 like you stated. Carter is on the rise though. His age hurts him the most

[Mr. Body]

Rumor that Pels may trade their 21 pick for second round draft capital. They don't have SRPs until 2030. If true that's crazy. I'll have to check that out.

There's a third pick opportunity right there. Take Furphy or your own personal favorite.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah they owe SRPs through 2029 and we own three of them, lol. And may get one of the others.

[DPG21920]

Rumor that Pels may trade their 21 pick for second round draft capital. They don't have SRPs until 2030. If true that's crazy. I'll have to check that out.

There's a third pick opportunity right there. Take Furphy or your own personal favorite.

I would love to consolidate 2nds into a late first

[mo7888]

Rumor that Pels may trade their 21 pick for second round draft capital. They don't have SRPs until 2030. If true that's crazy. I'll have to check that out.

There's a third pick opportunity right there. Take Furphy or your own personal favorite.

If you can get Furphy at 21 for a package of 2nd's, I think you have to do it.

I'd probably even do it for one of Edey, Filipowski, McCain, Dadiet, George, or Klintman if Furphy is off the board.

[Mugen]

Big Board hasn't changed too much beyond switching Saluan and Dilly on the overall rankings...they end up with two guys from the top tiers and I'm good tbh

Tier 1
Risacher
Sheppard
Sarr (I really don't want the Spurs to have to select Sarr but he's here regardless)
Castle

Tier 2
Saluan
Dillingham
DCarter
Knecht

Tier 3
Topic
Holland
Buzelis
Clingan
Cody Williams

[LeBowen]

If you can get Furphy at 21 for a package of 2nd's, I think you have to do it.

I'd probably even do it for one of Edey, Filipowski, McCain, Dadiet, George, or Klintman if Furphy is off the board.

If we could get NOLA's #21 just for their second rounders, then we could possibly move up with #21 and #35 if there's a player PATFO really likes.
Or even #8 and #21 to move up to #5 and get Sheppard and Castle?

[scott]

Tyler Smith would be my target at 21. Immediately can slot in at backup PF, with the potential upside to eventually be a starting PF displacing Sochan.

Don't think we'll try to acquire a third FRP though, personally.

[mo7888]

If we could get NOLA's #21 just for their second rounders, then we could possibly move up with #21 and #35 if there's a player PATFO really likes.
Or even #8 and #21 to move up to #5 and get Sheppard and Castle?

Yup... there are many options if you can get #21 for 2nd's... even sweetening a package for a vet if one is available..

[mo7888]

Tyler Smith would be my target at 21. Immediately can slot in at backup PF, with the potential upside to eventually be a starting PF displacing Sochan.

Don't think we'll try to acquire a third FRP though, personally.

It opens up so much... maybe you trade #4 + #35 + a future 1st for a starting vet or package #8 + #35 to move up with CHA.

[Mr. Body]

I dogged him elsewhere, but my point was that he's a project, but add Carrington to the list.

My impression from the tweet is that the Pels may not want a pick in this draft. They're facing some cap issues and uncertainty about trades (Ingram). So they may not even want the 35, unless doing a two-way may be okay for them.

Regardless, the Spurs are the sort of team with scads of SRPs to pile in there, and this is the point where taking another rookie may not be a bad idea if it's so relatively cheap.

[DAF86]

quite arguable. I mean he hasn't really shown post skills typical of a center.

Are folks really still on this hill? :lol

[CGD]

Rumor that Pels may trade their 21 pick for second round draft capital. They don't have SRPs until 2030. If true that's crazy. I'll have to check that out.

There's a third pick opportunity right there. Take Furphy or your own personal favorite.

lol, that’s because we have them all! Wouldn’t it be something is we gave them back for another FRP? Would make the Derick White trade look less bad.

[Mr. Body]

I can't embed tweets for some reason:

https://x.com/esidery/status/1801689605852565713?s=46

Yeah, it says they could for future SRPs. And as CGD mentions it's for salary dumping Devonte Graham. So -- if we tried -- this is taking advantage of that situation to squeeze another first in what's a fairly deep draft (maybe).

[spurraider21]

Yeah they owe SRPs through 2029 and we own three of them, lol. And may get one of the others.
yeah they sent us graham and 4 SRPs for josh richardson

[Mr. Body]

And we'd still have the 35 to figure out.

Something like give them two of their own SRPs back and a couple of the other worse ones.

[DAF86]

Rumor that Pels may trade their 21 pick for second round draft capital. They don't have SRPs until 2030. If true that's crazy. I'll have to check that out.

There's a third pick opportunity right there. Take Furphy or your own personal favorite.

If true, the Spurs should jump at that opportunity. The Spurs have so many 2nd rounders that they have become a burden more than assets. Trading 2 or 3 of them (or even more) for a the 21st pick would be awesome. Lots of great options at that range also.

[jesterbobman]

I hadn't thought of the Pels specifically, but trading into the mid- late first with a few second round picks is definitely an option that's worth considering if the right guy falls.

Phoenix can't trade in advance, but with their lack of draft resources, player selected at 22 for 35 and a future second (or two) could be in play. Similar with Minnesota (cap hell situation) for 27 (probably just one pick, e.g one of the two we got from them last year for #33 or cash on top of 35).

If the top of the draft got us Castle and Dillingham, I'd be looking at Tyler Smith / Kel'el Ware as highly valuable fallers as shooting bigs with some level of promise defensively, or Pacome Dadiet and Johnny Furphy as Wing options.

[Dejounte]

12 more days boys

staying out of most topics has certainly made the days fly by for me

[Chinook]

Shannon being found not guilty could shake up the middle of the draft. On talent, he would go between 12 and 20. But SA is one of those crimes where even being accused of it is basically as damaging as being convicted from a PR standpoint. Because of Primo, I don't think the Spurs could afford to take him, but damn if he wouldn't be a nice player to add to the guard rotation given it's lack of offense

[DPG21920]

Shannon being found not guilty could shake up the middle of the draft. On talent, he would go between 12 and 20. But SA is one of those crimes where even being accused of it is basically as damaging as being convicted from a PR standpoint. Because of Primo, I don't think the Spurs could afford to take him, but damn if he wouldn't be a nice player to add to the guard rotation given it's lack of offense

I dont think Spurs care all that much about Primo anymore. Wemby has erased all of that bad taste IMO and Shannon being found not guilty, with a lot of support behind him would be viewed as a great thing and people would likely say how great it is that he ended up in an amazing spot like SA etc..

[Chinook]

I dont think Spurs care all that much about Primo anymore. Wemby has erased all of that bad taste IMO and Shannon being found not guilty, with a lot of support behind him would be viewed as a great thing and people would likely say how great it is that he ended up in an amazing spot like SA etc..

The Spurs 100 percent care about Primo just like the Ravens still care about Ray Rice. People don't understand how big of a scar that was, let alone how much bigger it could've been had they not rushed to settle. Shannon was acquitted but that doesn't mean he isn't complicated from a PR perspective.

[objective]

Rumor that Pels may trade their 21 pick for second round draft capital. They don't have SRPs until 2030. If true that's crazy. I'll have to check that out.

There's a third pick opportunity right there. Take Furphy or your own personal favorite.

Sounds good to me, take a Project big who probably won't slide to 2nd:

Missi
Or one of the others, like Ware or Holmes

[DPG21920]

The Spurs 100 percent care about Primo just like the Ravens still care about Ray Rice. People don't understand how big of a scar that was, let alone how much bigger it could've been had they not rushed to settle. Shannon was acquitted but that doesn't mean he isn't complicated from a PR perspective.

Perhaps - but Ray Rice was far worse in terms of PR (video of it) and a much larger name. I dont think that’s a fair comparison tbh. But all Im saying is I dont think Primo matters with regards to taking on players like this that dont have any legal issues and that many actually sympathize with.

[Notorious H.O.P.]

If we get another pick, I see it more for a trade or consolidation, not to pick up another player. Between five rostered picks from the past two years and at least two from this year and possibly 3-4 from next year, we should not attempt to keep this many young players. Trades for established young players, future draft picks, or consolidation for higher quality picks should be the priorities in my opinion.

[exstatic]

What I wouldn’t hate would be to flip 3 SRPs to N.O. for 21, then flip 21 to another team for a protected pick 2028 or later. It gets us off some seconds without log jamming our development.

[onechance87]

What I wouldn’t hate would be to flip 3 SRPs to N.O. for 21, then flip 21 to another team for a protected pick 2028 or later. It gets us off some seconds without log jamming our development.

those second rounds will be sold for cash

[exstatic]

those second rounds will be sold for cash

The scenario we are discussing is that N.O. Supposedly Wants some seconds in exchange for #21. If the Spurs don’t do something like that then they will probably sell some SRPs. They have 14 SRPs, so swapping 3 of them still leaves 11 to sell or kick down the road for future SRPs.

[Chinook]

If we get another pick, I see it more for a trade or consolidation, not to pick up another player. Between five rostered picks from the past two years and at least two from this year and possibly 3-4 from next year, we should not attempt to keep this many young players. Trades for established young players, future draft picks, or consolidation for higher quality picks should be the priorities in my opinion.

They could also not cling onto guys like Wesley or Branham. If they think there are better players available in this draft they should pursue them.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/criswell_sports/status/1801339464909750615

[LeBowen]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-draft-workouts-tracker/

https://i.imgur.com/GIMZ88V.png

I won't pretend I know much about these kids except for the two obvious ones, anything interesting in here?

[Notorious H.O.P.]

They could also not cling onto guys like Wesley or Branham. If they think there are better players available in this draft they should pursue them.

I didn't want to get too long winded but yes, you can cut them loose or try to trade them. But due to the way the rookie contracts get guaranteed, you may end up with dead money on the books. If you didn't pick up an option and they blow up, you hamstring your ability to resign them. And if you trade them, you may have to attach low end assets to get off of them. But if you're gonna pick up yet another player, you might as well put one of Braham or Wesley in the waste basket now. You can only properly develop so many players at one time.

[Notorious H.O.P.]

And to clarify, my above comment goes for any rookie we pick up. Not just Blake and Malaki.

[DPG21920]

They could also not cling onto guys like Wesley or Branham. If they think there are better players available in this draft they should pursue them.

Agree 1000%. There is MORE than enough room on this roster to clear out 7 guys and replace them if you land guys worthy of it.

Cedi, Graham, Branham, Blake, Collins, Bassey, Mamu, Barlow….you can easily draft 3 people this year and them all replace the guys I mentioned if they earn it.

In fact, this is my preference. It doesnt have to be all draft, can be 2-3 from draft, 2-3 FA/trades too.

Point is, half the team is fully replaceable no problem and SA shouldn’t hesitate to just move on with all the picks they have and cap space etc…if there isn’t significant leaps/progress from the guys I mentioned, move on. This is the season to do it too. No expectations of a title, still in a rebuild and you can afford to do it this year and try to find stronger rotation players via this draft/fa/trade

[ace3g]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1801739420103545211
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1801739238498566598
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1801739109561454636
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1801738953424314537
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1801738597818626257
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1801739535501459758

[Mr. Body]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-draft-workouts-tracker/

https://i.imgur.com/GIMZ88V.png

I won't pretend I know much about these kids except for the two obvious ones, anything interesting in here?

Jamal Shead is a great floor defender. Antonio Reeves is a good outside shooter.

Mostly fringe second round types. What's interesting is that Risacher and Salaun pop up. Not surprising necessarily but the Spurs tend to hide their top pick workouts.

[onechance87]

They could also not cling onto guys like Wesley or Branham. If they think there are better players available in this draft they should pursue them.

And we should do that.Felt like half these players should be gone.None of them had any chemistry with wemby
other then tre jones and mamu.Bunch of no talent iq players that should be replaced now rather then later

[Raven]

Are folks really still on this hill? :lol

not really a hill, but there's no reason to limit victor when he plays so atypical. we need to create new sets that fit his versatility.

[scott]

Is there an significance to Green Room invites? Is it because these players have received promises? Or just because the NBA feels they'll be FRPs?

[DPG21920]

Is there an significance to Green Room invites? Is it because these players have received promises? Or just because the NBA feels they'll be FRPs?

The latter mostly.

[JuneJive]

Still, Topic with an invite?

Hmmm.

[Chinook]

I didn't want to get too long winded but yes, you can cut them loose or try to trade them. But due to the way the rookie contracts get guaranteed, you may end up with dead money on the books. If you didn't pick up an option and they blow up, you hamstring your ability to resign them. And if you trade them, you may have to attach low end assets to get off of them. But if you're gonna pick up yet another player, you might as well put one of Braham or Wesley in the waste basket now. You can only properly develop so many players at one time.

You can't keep holding onto players because you are worried they might randomly break out. I get we as fans have little vision into this, but the team shouldn't be so uncertain. Players are not dice. The Spurs aren't going to be to like, "Tyler Kolek is here at 35, and he seems perfect for the third PG spot that Blake's been unable to hold. But there's a 15-percent chance Wesley breaks out, and if we don't pick up his option, cut him or trade him, we miss out on 15 units of expected value." If the Spurs don't end up giving up on guys who have 10-year careers, that's the fault of their scouting department. They have so many first-round picks, and every selection they use is ideally on a player with talent and a future. They signed up for a world in which they let most of those guys walk to focus on the very best of them. Prospects have to earn developmental time, and one of the big reasons why development has stalled, I suspect, is because the team has been handing minutes to players who didn't do anything to deserve them for years.

[Chinook]

Is there an significance to Green Room invites? Is it because these players have received promises? Or just because the NBA feels they'll be FRPs?

Remember that because the draft is stupidly two nights this year, the league wants guys whom they/ESPN can hype up on the second night. So there will very, very likely be guys invited to the green room with the expectation they won't have their name called until Friday.

[Uriel]

I'm curious, how do they decide these green room invites? Do individual teams give the NBA their respective big boards and the NBA just invites the most common names? Or do they just invite the highest ranked prospects on ESPN?

Because in theory, I feel like it's supposed to be the former. But what actually happens in practice is the latter.

[exstatic]

I'm curious, how do they decide these green room invites? Do individual teams give the NBA their respective big boards and the NBA just invites the most common names? Or do they just invite the highest ranked prospects on ESPN?

Because in theory, I feel like it's supposed to be the former. But what actually happens in practice is the latter.

I think they ask each team for a list of players they might select at each pick in the lottery, maybe 3, then they collate those lists.

[scott]

Have there been any notable/embarrassing Green Room situations in the NBA? Like Aaron Rodgers in the NFL?

[exstatic]

Have there been any notable/embarrassing Green Room situations in the NBA? Like Aaron Rodgers in the NFL?

Rashard Lewis sat in the GR into the second round. Houston snaked him after promising to select him with one of their THREE first round picks, and he was a local HS sensation, attending Alief HS.

[scott]

Rashard Lewis sat in the GR into the second round. Houston snaked him after promising to select him with one of their THREE first round picks, and he was a local HS sensation, attending Alief HS.

In Rashard Lewis's big FA year (2001 or 2002 I think) I saw Mark Cuban engaged in some high level recruiting by taking Mr. Lewis to one of the Dallas area's finest gentlemen's clubs. 22 year old me resisted the urge to throw them a GSG. He resigned with Seattle.

[exstatic]

In Rashard Lewis's big FA year (2001 or 2002 I think) I saw Mark Cuban engaged in some high level recruiting by taking Mr. Lewis to one of the Dallas area's finest gentlemen's clubs. 22 year old me resisted the urge to throw them a GSG. He resigned with Seattle.

Bryce Drew was Houston’s 2nd FRP that year. Rashard became a two time All Star. Drew became a college coach.

[Ariel]

Remember that because the draft is stupidly two nights this year, the league wants guys whom they/ESPN can hype up on the second night. So there will very, very likely be guys invited to the green room with the expectation they won't have their name called until Friday.
Damn, if true that's savage :lol

[Chinook]

Damn, if true that's savage :lol

Maybe I'm not representing what I'm saying correctly?

So the NBA draft is very different than, say the NFL. A large portion of the draft class attends every year, significantly more so than sit in the "Green Room" area, which is actually a spacious open-seating zone in front of the stage. Last year, 19 guys were invited to sit in the "Green Room" with their entourages. I don't know the numbers for this year, but I don't think it's clearly more than that yet. If it is, though, it's not because the NBA is trying to trick guys into believing they're going to be a high pick so they can milk their disappointment for views.

The players they intend to showcase for Day Two would know that's where they're likely to go. But the League and ESPN have to sell fans that this is a good idea, so they're going to want these players to be hyped up. They're gonna get interviewed and walk out on stage and all that. Rather than what has previously happened where those guys will be in the stands, the ones who are left for Friday will very likely be on the floor instead. So yeah, there will or at least should be guys whose agents are telling them that they're late-first/early second but who get an invite to go to the "Green Room" and it's like "If you get drafted on Thursday, cool. If you get drafted on Friday, cool" We wanna feature you either way."

[Mr. Body]

I think the point Ariel is making is that slipping to the 2nd round has long been seen as a failure for Green Room guys. They sit there as pick after pick goes by. This year may be even worse since they can't even make it out of the first night and have to come back the next night. Lots of pictures of one or two guys sitting among these empty tables with their quiet, spooked families.

The league seems to be setting this up more by taking like 25 players into the Green Room. They care less about appearances for these players and more about selling their second night crap. Sacrificing the players for drama.

[Chinook]

That's the point I thought he was making, hence me wondering if I could have explained the situation more clearly. It seems to be the NBA wants there to be a "Green Room" for both Thursday and Friday. My guess is that the League is telling the players who they want to feature on Day Two what to expect. It's like how in the NFL Draft, second- and later-rounders might have a camera in their living room. A guy whose agent is telling him to expect to be drafted in the 25-35 is hopefully getting the advice if he is invited to the "Green Room" it's not because a team in the top-20 is going to pick him. He knows who has spoken to his agent, who he's worked out for, etc. While we could well see someone drop ala Deyonte Davis or at least Cam Whitmore, I think it's likely the guys who are left in the "Green Room" come the end of the first night won't be shocked they weren't picked. And I would expect some second-rounders who were hanging out in the stands on Thursday will come down to the floor on Friday.

[scott]

Was Cam Whitmore in the Green Room last year? A situation like that (Projected Top-8 pick sliding to 20) is probably more embarrassing than a guy projected to be picked 24th sliding to 32nd.

[Chinook]

Was Cam Whitmore in the Green Room last year? A situation like that (Projected Top-8 pick sliding to 20) is probably more embarrassing than a guy projected to be picked 24th sliding to 32nd.

He was. I don't think the "Green Room", even if it is composed of 25 players, will be solely guys project to be taken in the first round. I think they'd really like guys picked 31-35 to be present to get the caps and do the interviews. I guess we'll see when the full list comes out.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goAjXvzEhIc

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tA249uAa284

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCoq62-cyWU

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDeMopCCZWI

[cutewizard]

do it Spurs

getttttttttttttttttttttttt Markkanen

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyUazZyRZcI

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InTTp3nodVE

[kobyz]

I think Terrence Shannon should be a no brainer for us at 8

[CGD]

Sorry if this was already posted (didn’t see it), but Wasserman had this recently:

“Rival teams also continue to predict that Cody Williams will be picked earlier than most expect, potentially by the Detroit Pistons at No. 5 or the San Antonio Spurs.”

We haven’t talked about Cody in a while. I was higher on him earlier this year, but his play tapered off (he was injured right?). I’m not gonna be mad if he’s the pick at 8.

[Ariel]

^ Sheppard at 4 and Cody Williams at 8 is probably the bare minimum I'd be ok with if all other options are gone (no Risacher/Castle at 4, no Dillingham at 8)

[ace3g]

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1802058528581976570

[Dejounte]

Tier 1 - The choices I’d feel happy about
Reed Sheppard
Dillingham
Buzelis

Tier 2 - The controversial choices I’d support
Castle
Collier

Tier 3 - The WTF choices
Sarr
Cody Williams
Salaun

Tier 4 - The choices that are boring because I don’t see stardom in them
Rissacher
Knecht
Clingan
Devin Carter

Tier 5 - The choices that would make me feel uneasy
Ron Holland
Topic

[LeBowen]

https://x.com/MikeAScotto/status/1802058528581976570

Top5 is the most realistic scenario, but I can't see Hornets taking Clingan if they still believe in Mark Williams.
They need perimeter defense.
I'd be willing to bet Blazers won't take Knecht. What are they going to do with him? They just started their rebuild and have more than enough no defense guards.
Is this mocked just because there's a video of him working out for them?

Topic selection would make me extremely disappointed, then it gets random and too hard to predict.

[Teamduncan21]

Top5 is the most realistic scenario, but I can't see Hornets taking Clingan if they still believe in Mark Williams.
They need perimeter defense.
I'd be willing to bet Blazers won't take Knecht. What are they going to do with him? They just started their rebuild and have more than enough no defense guards.
Is this mocked just because there's a video of him working out for them?

Topic selection would make me extremely disappointed, then it gets random and too hard to predict.

It's a composite. Not a draft prediction. That's why it looks weird.

[djohn2oo8]

^ Sheppard at 4 and Cody Williams at 8 is probably the bare minimum I'd be ok with if all other options are gone (no Risacher/Castle at 4, no Dillingham at 8)
I don’t think Sheppard makes it to 4
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[scott]

Bridges to Houston just makes too much sense... I still believe that will happen, with one of Houston's young wings (along with picks) going back to BKY

[Vienna]

Sorry if this was already posted (didn’t see it), but Wasserman had this recently:

“Rival teams also continue to predict that Cody Williams will be picked earlier than most expect, potentially by the Detroit Pistons at No. 5 or the San Antonio Spurs.”

We haven’t talked about Cody in a while. I was higher on him earlier this year, but his play tapered off (he was injured right?). I’m not gonna be mad if he’s the pick at 8.

Cody had three injuries during his season. Was brought back way to early for the Conference Tournament, got a bench role and played poor. Regarding his stock it would have been better if he had shut down the season in February. Shouldn‘t be held against him that he didn‘t and tried to help his team, despite not fully healthy.

[Mr. Body]

Sorry if this was already posted (didn’t see it), but Wasserman had this recently:

“Rival teams also continue to predict that Cody Williams will be picked earlier than most expect, potentially by the Detroit Pistons at No. 5 or the San Antonio Spurs.”

We haven’t talked about Cody in a while. I was higher on him earlier this year, but his play tapered off (he was injured right?). I’m not gonna be mad if he’s the pick at 8.

Slightly weird way it's put. Rival execs think other teams might pick Cody Williams higher than mocks say. They did not say that they themselves would take him. Feels like a way to hide another player or get teams to bite on Williams.

Cody Williams played really well until some point in January. Some say his injuries hindered him. There's a case to be made. But do injuries really affect him that much? He was really not a first round draft pick to me after he came back, and he wasn't really moving or looking that different.

He's long and lanky and will be in the right spots. That's worth something. Seems to be a great kid. All of his good points aren't fully there or are glimpses. He has a high 3-pt shooting, but took two a game. He can handle the ball, but most of his assists came in transition. He gets bullied on defense due to weight, which can change, but how much?

Here's another player who was lighting it up in January but fell back to earth a bit. He was still effective, however:

Cody Williams against Johnny Furphy https://tankathon.com/players/compare?players=johnny-furphy--cody-williams

It says a lot to me that Furphy got 7.8 rebounds per 36 and Cody only got 3.8. And Furphy put up 5.7 threes per 36 and Cody put up 2.2. Furphy knew his role was establishing that threat and putting them up when he got the pass. Williams often hung onto the ball. Partly because his shot is pretty slow. Some think he lacked confidence, some that he was saving his percentage. Cody is supposedly a budding playmaker and Furphy does not have that skillset yet, but there's only a 2.0 to 1.5 assist difference between them. And Furphy rules all the advanced stats, including defensive.

Eye test... Furphy really is in the 3&D mold at this point, stays in the corners and cuts. Williams is in the point forward mold, he's just not good at it yet. If he never gets good at it, he's just a minutes soaker.

To me... Williams wouldn't be in the discussion if his brother didn't put him on the map while he was playing pretty well and he's not a top 10 guy to me.

Scroll down to see the games after he came back in Feb 8. This is a guy I'd think about in the 20s. Those games alone? Not a draft pick or he's a second rounder. Maybe it was the injuries though.

https://tankathon.com/players/cody-williams

[Ariel]

I don’t think Sheppard makes it to 4
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That's fine by me since I prefer Risacher or Castle at 4 over Sheppard, and the latter being taken at 3 means one of the former would be available at 4.

[Raven]

houston is almost a lock to pick one of the busts

[Dejounte]

Buzelis just had a workout with the Wizards on his IG.

[ace3g]

C8KbRrIvTWj

[Twisted_Dawg]

C8KbRrIvTWj

Dang, is he only working with 20 lb dumbbells?

[Pauleta14]

Dang, is he only working with 20 lb dumbbells?

He's probably doing high reps sets

[spurraider21]

I think Terrence Shannon should be a no brainer for us at 8
Tbh everything you say is a no brainer

[PhantomDashCam]

Buzelis just had a workout with the Wizards on his IG.

This feels like the trade candidate...

Wizards trade #2 (Castle) to the Spurs for #4 (Buzzelis) and one of their low-end, future firsts.

If Spurs really want to get creative and address a huge need (Shooting),
they perhaps could look at trading #4, one of their low-end, future firsts, Branham and Zach Collins for #2, Corey Kispert and Richauln Holmes - Wizards permitting of course. :lol

[TrainOfThought5]

Dang, is he only working with 20 lb dumbbells?

I assure you, the ball is much lighter.

[cutewizard]

Adem Bona to the magnificent Spurs!!!!!!!

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSWKeKAdplE

[cutewizard]

this is the Wemby partnership we;ve been waiting for

do itttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt Spurs

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAF34cUbTGM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G8autgM3-4

[T Park]

This feels like the trade candidate...

Wizards trade #2 (Castle) to the Spurs for #4 (Buzzelis) and one of their low-end, future firsts.

If Spurs really want to get creative and address a huge need (Shooting),
they perhaps could look at trading #4, one of their low-end, future firsts, Branham and Zach Collins for #2, Corey Kispert and Richauln Holmes - Wizards permitting of course. :lol

kispert is off limits supposedly

[sfernald]

God all this reading to catch up and we are still nowhere, know nothing and probably drafting the next Wesley!

[Bruno]

Adem Bona at #35 or #48 would be nice.

Collins isn't the long term answer as backup C behind Wemby. Using #4 or #8 to draft a player like Clingan is too much but a second round pick on a player like Bona is fine.

[cutewizard]

could we get Looney as back up center??

[onechance87]

could we get Looney as back up center??

he will most likely go to a contender.

[cutewizard]

Wemby at center, Markkanen and Risacher at forwards

DJ Murray and Vassell at guards?

Sochan, Looney, Branham, Trey Jones coming off the bench

[cutewizard]

i do hope we can get some free agents who could "mentor" our core group

probably next year, i understand that we shall have glimmers of the core group? Wemby, Vassell, etc etc

[cutewizard]

the overwhelming question is >>>>

Is Risacher worth the pursuit??

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4SKBWc13v4

[Degoat]

Might have been shared already but Matas Buzelis posted on his Instagram story that he was working out in WAS and they had a big presentation on there Jumbotron welcoming him, obviously doesn’t mean he’s WAS bound for sure but feel like that’s a lot of work to do for a guy if he’s not somebody they’re seriously considering drafting.

[mo7888]

I think he's (matas) our pick at #4 if he lasts that long.

[Mr. Body]

Might have been shared already but Matas Buzelis posted on his Instagram story that he was working out in WAS and they had a big presentation on there Jumbotron welcoming him, obviously doesn’t mean he’s WAS bound for sure but feel like that’s a lot of work to do for a guy if he’s not somebody they’re seriously considering drafting.

It's like they're trying to recruit him instead of drafting him.

I see Buzelis rising past Rizz.

[ace3g]

Keshad Johnson had a workout with the Spurs.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQM4o0yWQAAxMyM?format=png&name=900x900

[sfernald]

It's like they're trying to recruit him instead of drafting him.

I see Buzelis rising past Rizz.

I would draft Buz a million times out of a million over Riz. The archetype is just so much better if he pans out… he could be a big Bird!

[Pauleta14]

Wemby at center, Markkanen and Risacher at forwards

DJ Murray and Vassell at guards?

Sochan, Looney, Branham, Trey Jones coming off the bench

Risacher will be gone at 4

One FO will take him to cover themselves bc of his hype

[CGD]

Might have been shared already but Matas Buzelis posted on his Instagram story that he was working out in WAS and they had a big presentation on there Jumbotron welcoming him, obviously doesn’t mean he’s WAS bound for sure but feel like that’s a lot of work to do for a guy if he’s not somebody they’re seriously considering drafting.

Here is a list of the known workouts by the Wizards: https://x.com/GregFinberg/status/1802010717236732156

[CGD]

Hornet fans seem to see their top 3 as Castle, Reed, and Holland. Clingan has some fans but there is a big debate about Mark Williams.

I bet they could be sold on trading back with the Spurs at 8 if Holland is the only one left from that list. Obviously Spurs would have make good on their threat to take Castle at 4 for it to work.

[Mr. Body]

Hornet fans seem to see their top 3 as Castle, Reed, and Holland. Clingan has some fans but there is a big debate about Mark Williams.

I bet they could be sold on trading back with the Spurs at 8 if Holland is the only one left from that list. Obviously Spurs would have make good on their threat to take Castle at 4 for it to work.

Best for me for a while has been taking our player at 4 and trading up to 6, as you say. At this point that's Castle and then preference. But at this point I don't think Dillingham is on the Spurs radar so I don't really know if it's necessary. I think Reed will either be gone or a Spurs preference and I dont' think Holland is on their radar, either.

[CGD]

Best for me for a while has been taking our player at 4 and trading up to 6, as you say. At this point that's Castle and then preference. But at this point I don't think Dillingham is on the Spurs radar so I don't really know if it's necessary. I think Reed will either be gone or a Spurs preference and I dont' think Holland is on their radar, either.

Youre right. I struggle to see who they’d love so much at 6 that may not be there at 8 (or a consolation prize they can live with). It’s probably more a contingency in case ZR falls to 4, but that seems unlikely.

I suppose the more interesting scenario is trading back from 8, if they’re deadset on players like Carter, Salaun or Williams.

— From Chicago, could they nab that lotto protected POR pick CHI owns, or swap some players along with picks (Wesley/Ayo), etc.

— Does Utah send us 29 with 10, so that spurs have fodder, together with 35, to grab someone they like in the late teens?

— would Memphis give up its 2030 FRP swap with WAS/PHX (least favorable) to swap 8 for 9.

[Mr. Body]

Youre right. I struggle to see who they’d love so much at 6 that may not be there at 8 (or a consolation prize they can live with). It’s probably more a contingency in case ZR falls to 4, but that seems unlikely.

I suppose the more interesting scenario is trading back from 8, if they’re deadset on players like Carter, Salaun or Williams.

— From Chicago, could they nab that lotto protected POR pick CHI owns, or swap some players along with picks (Wesley/Ayo), etc.

— Does Utah send us 29 with 10, so that spurs have fodder, together with 35, to grab someone they like in the late teens?

— would Memphis give up its 2030 FRP swap with WAS/PHX (least favorable) to swap 8 for 9.

I started with wanting Dillingham at 4 and then, seeing Charlotte as most likely to nab Castle of the next three, jumping to the Hornets' pick to secure him. Since then, Dillingham has seemed to drop. I'm still perplexed by this for reasons I've recorded all over the place, and I do think teams are way overthinking this. I don't get why Detroit seems to not see him as among their right players.

But whatever. Maybe there's something behind the scenes that's turning teams off. Maybe they really bought into the measurement problems as if Detroit doesn't just need a super-talented scorer. Of course I could be wildly wrong about Dillingham, although I still see one of the top 5 or so more talented players in this draft.

The above scenario could stand if they're hiding great interest in a Buzelis and still want Castle. So go for that Hornets pick.

I do see trading out of the 8 is a big possibility.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802436232804229541

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802435871716590050

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802435799163797619

https://x.com/JonChep/status/1802428684369907965

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802432604391473228

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802431854437638455

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802429176122597496

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802425118288646645

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802422346906546291

https://x.com/JonChep/status/1802420224873865321

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802415861304545641

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802414235487465550

[ace3g]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802439031663288693

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802438511309554161

[Russ]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802436232804229541

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802435871716590050

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802435799163797619

https://x.com/JonChep/status/1802428684369907965

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802432604391473228

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802431854437638455

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802429176122597496

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802425118288646645

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802422346906546291

https://x.com/JonChep/status/1802420224873865321

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802415861304545641

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802414235487465550

Executive summary from the above -- Nikola Djurisic will remain in the draft.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802443296817439194

[Bruno]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802429176122597496


Interesting...

[CGD]

Any surprises here? Are most these guys draft and stash types?

[Mr. Body]

Any surprises here? Are most these guys draft and stash types?

Afaik the only surprising one is Izan Almansa withdrawing, from Ignite. I don't think there's any other surprises.

[Vienna]

Interesting...

numbers suggest Traore had a strong finish of the season. There were for sure plenty of NBA scouts around at most French league games. Seems as if he had good games against Risacher and Salaun. He might be a bycatch.

[exstatic]

Executive summary from the above -- Nikola Djurisic will remain in the draft.

You’re a dick for quoting that whole post.

[onechance87]

Juan nunez in the second round

[TimmehC]

Nunez is probably good enough to become a rotation guy, but someone better than him is probably going to slide.

[NASpurs]

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802436232804229541

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802435871716590050

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802435799163797619

https://x.com/JonChep/status/1802428684369907965

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802432604391473228

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802431854437638455

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802429176122597496

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802425118288646645

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802422346906546291

https://x.com/JonChep/status/1802420224873865321

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802415861304545641

https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1802414235487465550


Executive summary from the above -- Nikola Djurisic will remain in the draft.


You’re a dick for quoting that whole post.

Yeah I agree, dick move.

[onechance87]

Nunez is probably good enough to become a rotation guy, but someone better than him is probably going to slide.

his playmaking is better then wesley,branham and maybe tre jones.Thats how bad out pg roster is.Bet he would
beat them all if given a fair chance.

[scott]

Traore should have withdrawn and come in next year in the hopes that folks confuse him with the other Traore and draft him early

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zITIV5esae4

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6hZlBZA9r4

[rascal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6hZlBZA9r4

Portland fans will be happy to trade Simons away.

[ace3g]

The most interesting player in the 2024 NBA draft class – Deseret News (https://www.deseret.com/sports/2024/05/23/enrique-freeman-the-most-interesting-player-in-2024-draft-class-akron/)

Enrique Freeman has already interviewed with a number of NBA teams, including the Minnesota Timberwolves, Indiana Pacers, San Antonio Spurs, Los Angeles Clippers, Toronto Raptors, Golden State Warriors, Detroit Pistons and Utah Jazz.

[CGD]

The most interesting player in the 2024 NBA draft class – Deseret News (https://www.deseret.com/sports/2024/05/23/enrique-freeman-the-most-interesting-player-in-2024-draft-class-akron/)

Enrique Freeman has already interviewed with a number of NBA teams, including the Minnesota Timberwolves, Indiana Pacers, San Antonio Spurs, Los Angeles Clippers, Toronto Raptors, Golden State Warriors, Detroit Pistons and Utah Jazz.

What’s the deal with this guy. People seem to love him

[ginobilized]

Here's a bit about his combine experience from SI.

Enrique Freeman University of Akron 23 yrs old

Enrique Freeman looked very good in the scrimmages and even measured exceptionally well. He has a plus seven wingspan while also doing solid in the athletic drills. The 6-foot-7 forward led the scrimmages in total points as he had 29 points this week while also being top two in both total steals and blocks.

He was very productive on both ends of the floor and although he didn’t put up big-time rebounding numbers in the scrimmages, all the scouts and talent evaluators know he can rebound as he led college basketball in rebounds per game and was a double-double machine all season long for Akron. Freeman likely will hear his name called in the second round at some point.

[onechance87]

What’s the deal with this guy. People seem to love him

pretty much a bigger danny green.But some dont trust his shootng.I would take him second round.Could be
a good 3 and d guy.But he is on the older side.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC3FApW8mes

[baseline bum]

Have there been any notable/embarrassing Green Room situations in the NBA? Like Aaron Rodgers in the NFL?


Rashard Lewis sat in the GR into the second round. Houston snaked him after promising to select him with one of their THREE first round picks, and he was a local HS sensation, attending Alief HS.

I felt so bad for Rashard that draft. I was living in Houston at the time and you wouldn't believe the hype for the kid, his highlights were on the news every night. Way more than the hype for Shaq here when he was playing for Cole. When Lewis got picked he was crying so much at falling into the second that he couldn't talk and TNT had to start interviewing his sister on the broadcast. I understood Houston taking Michael Dickerson first, he was a great prospect, but Mirsad Turkan and Bryce Drew were both moronic picks.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

If they can draft and stash Nunez, he makes a lot of sense in the second round.

[Ariel]

If they can draft and stash Nunez, he makes a lot of sense in the second round.
Ugh, please no. No more non shooters. Just pick Tyler Smith, Pacome Dadiet, Cam Christie, Justin Edwards, Terrence Shannon,. Baylor Scheierman, Antonio Reeves... plenty of guys who can shoot with potential to be more than that

[Mr. Body]

I'd take a super close look at Cam Spencer. He does a lot beside shoot and before he joined the steal%-dampening UConn Huskies, he had a 3,7 and 3.9 steal percentage rate, which is incredibly high.

[JuneJive]

"It’s no surprise that Carter impressed in a private workout for the Spurs this past week, according to league sources."

[Ariel]

I'd take a super close look at Cam Spencer. He does a lot beside shoot and before he joined the steal%-dampening UConn Huskies, he had a 3,7 and 3.9 steal percentage rate, which is incredibly high.
Cam Spencer at 48 would be another interesting option. I listed mostly forwards and wings before, but as 2nd round guards I'd add Ajay Mitchell, Tyler Kolek, KJ Simpson too. All of them plus the ones I mentioned before are capable shooters, and either productive vets or promising young players. Get 2 of those with the 2nd rounders and I'm stoked.

[djohn2oo8]

houston is almost a lock to pick one of the busts
I wouldn’t talk about busts when the Spurs had no PG for Wemby. Hell the Rockets might not even keep the pick. While the only one who didn’t improve under Ime is Green.

[djohn2oo8]

I felt so bad for Rashard that draft. I was living in Houston at the time and you wouldn't believe the hype for the kid, his highlights were on the news every night. Way more than the hype for Shaq here when he was playing for Cole. When Lewis got picked he was crying so much at falling into the second that he couldn't talk and TNT had to start interviewing his sister on the broadcast. I understood Houston taking Michael Dickerson first, he was a great prospect, but Mirsad Turkan and Bryce Drew were both moronic picks.
Les Alexander really was one of the worst owners in Houston sports.

[exstatic]

"It’s no surprise that Carter impressed in a private workout for the Spurs this past week, according to league sources."

Do you have a link or a tweet for this, because if it’s Garza, you can just disregard it.

[SpursGuy91]

Looks like it was in The NY Times mock draft under the 8th selection - regarding the quote around Devin Carter’s workout with the Spurs

[Dverde]

Would you trade #8 for a top 10 protected 2025 FRP?

[Mr. Body]

Would you trade #8 for a top 10 protected 2025 FRP?

We already have one of those.

[exstatic]

Would you trade #8 for a top 10 protected 2025 FRP?

Spurs might, but I think you might have a hard time finding a team to make the offer.

[Mr. Body]

Every time a nugget of information about high level Spurs workouts comes out, I wonder why this particular bit of information.