2024 NBA Draft Thread

[benefactor]

I can't help but think in the back of my mind the Spurs might be cooking up a deal for one of these two picks. This is uncharted waters for them and they have the assets to move in order to bring in another player, whoever that might be. Just call it a gut feeling for now. It makes sense to do it for the timeline as well. One good vet and one good young player.

[DPG21920]

I can't help but think in the back of my mind the Spurs might be cooking up a deal for one of these two picks. This is uncharted waters for them and they have the assets to move in order to bring in another player, whoever that might be. Just call it a gut feeling for now.

I really like my Keldon for Ivey deal tbh…it’s a great gamble imo for multiple reasons. Nearly every pistons fan I spoke to said they liked it too

[BackHome]

Matas and Holland will be gone by 8, which leaves the PGs. Unless the Spurs want to take a second PG (barf), they’re likely looking at a swing on Cody for Saluan at 8.

I agree teams are going to draft on potential with picks 1 to 5 and those two players have the most upside.

[Knoxxx]

Matas and Holland will be gone by 8, which leaves the PGs. Unless the Spurs want to take a second PG (barf), they’re likely looking at a swing on Cody for Saluan at 8.

We don't know that at all, early buzz was Sheppard to Rockets at 3 for example. This board is going to be all over the place.

[benefactor]

I really like my Keldon for Ivey deal tbh…it’s a great gamble imo for multiple reasons. Nearly every pistons fan I spoke to said they liked it too
I've seen you mention it and I like that deal as well. Seems to work out well for both teams

[mo7888]

I really like my Keldon for Ivey deal tbh…it’s a great gamble imo for multiple reasons. Nearly every pistons fan I spoke to said they liked it too

I think it's one of only a handful of proposals that the team we'd be trading with would do...

[Degoat]

ATL- Sarr
WAS- Dillingham
HOU- Shepherd
SA- Risacher
DET- Matas
CHA- Castle
POR- Holland
SA- Topic or McCain

I don’t love this Scenario but I think this is one of the likest outcomes of the draft.

[John B]

I was not into Castle all, until I saw that he was only an inch shorter than the supposed 6 foot 8 wings, Holland and Williams. Then you throw in that he could play PG, SG, or SF. He’s 6 foot 6. Outside shooting looks good at combine. The clincher is take a look at his highlights, he’s a can’t miss prospect.


https://youtu.be/7a8I8dxdL_M?si=D0Glft9a5dnERPkN

He checks every box for us, he’s a chameleon. Then if we still take Dilly, Topic, or Sheppard at 8 that’s fine also.

I’m warming up with Castle and agree he checks a lot of what Spurs are missing from a PG to a point-of-attack defender.

Castle’s height is actually intriguing to a point that it’s possible to take another guard Dilly/Reed at 8th. I like them to take a wing, but as you said Castle can play wing too. While Dilly could be the best skilled player in this draft, and/or Reed is a knockout shooter who we learn has 42 vertical too. Couldn’t Spurs have gotten 3 picks? :lol

[CGD]

Thanks for the share

That one guy wanting #4, Vassell, and a 2nd to move back from #2 while thinking the Spurs might not go for it ... Wow.

True, but his bigger point I thought was that in this weak draft we’re not likely to see the value given up that a team at 2 would expect to get for trading back, and so it’s not likely to happen.

Seems like the live debate among WAS fans is whether having a glut of wings already should really disuade them from taking Risacher, or should they go for need Topic/Clingan.

[CGD]

I really like my Keldon for Ivey deal tbh…it’s a great gamble imo for multiple reasons. Nearly every pistons fan I spoke to said they liked it too

What was it again? Swap Keldon/8 for Ivey/5?

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/qrQ62aOdDEE?feature=shared


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[Dejounte]

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[Knoxxx]

Thanks for the share

That one guy wanting #4, Vassell, and a 2nd to move back from #2 while thinking the Spurs might not go for it ... Wow.

I think the one guy said 2 for 4 and 35 then the other guy adds in Vassell, a 20 PPG scorer when picks 2 and 4 are not materially better, duh.

[DPG21920]

Ya and Sa gives up another first possibly if needed (one that’s not substantial)

[Ariel]

Honestly, I think everyone’s going to be happy no matter what the Spurs do because we have two picks in this draft.
There's a case to be made for a lot of different scenarios, but there are a few things that I'd go by as rule of thumb:
1) Take AT LEAST one shooter (Sheppard, Dillingham, Risacher).
2) Take either 2 wings or 1 wing + 1 guard. I'd consider wings: Buzelis, Risacher, Holland, Cody Williams; guards: Dillingham, Sheppard, Topic. Castle fits into either group.
3) Avoid traditional bigs (Clingan) or much older players (Knecht).
So for instance if you take Risacher at 4 you can take pretty much anyone at 8, but if you take a non shooter at 4 (Buzelis/Castle/Holland) then take a shooter at 8 (Dillingham/Sheppard).
If events unfold in a way that it is not possible to meet that criteria because there's too big a (perceived) talent gap, then ok but you have to make other moves (trades) to build a sensible roster (can't have Tre Jones, Wesley, Cissoko, Sochan, Barlow plus 2 non shooting rooks all at once).

[Knoxxx]

I’m warming up with Castle and agree he checks a lot of what Spurs are missing from a PG to a point-of-attack defender.

Castle’s height is actually intriguing to a point that it’s possible to take another guard Dilly/Reed at 8th. I like them to take a wing, but as you said Castle can play wing too. While Dilly could be the best skilled player in this draft, and/or Reed is a knockout shooter who we learn has 42 vertical too. Couldn’t Spurs have gotten 3 picks? :lol

That’s what dawned on me, get Castle and you have a PG or wing in one, then take best available at 8 regardless of whether it’s a PG or wing. It’s all about upgrading from Champagnie, Branham, Wesley, etc and if we find a star in the process even better. If not, the upgrade is not going to be hard to accomplish and Castle seems as sure a bet as any. He normally guards the other teams top offensive threat and imagine the defense with him, Sochan, and Wemby.

[BackHome]

I really like my Keldon for Ivey deal tbh…it’s a great gamble imo for multiple reasons. Nearly every pistons fan I spoke to said they liked it too

Do you see Ivey as a SG or do you see him being able to be our PG?

[baseline bum]

I was not into Castle all, until I saw that he was only an inch shorter than the supposed 6 foot 8 wings, Holland and Williams. Then you throw in that he could play PG, SG, or SF. He’s 6 foot 6. Outside shooting looks good at combine. The clincher is take a look at his highlights, he’s a can’t miss prospect.


https://youtu.be/7a8I8dxdL_M?si=D0Glft9a5dnERPkN

He checks every box for us, he’s a chameleon. Then if we still take Dilly, Topic, or Sheppard at 8 that’s fine also.

Watch him in actual games, he's a reluctant outside shooter and misses a lot of open looks. I think he's one of the safest bets to be a good player in this league because he's ridiculous defensively and has good size and athleticism plus he's a smart passer, but he needs enormous work on his jumpshot.

[pRoshi]

Is there anyway to get Reed Shepard, Stephon Castle, and Ron holland. To me all those guys fit a need for the spurs.

[rascal]

I'm thinking Castle will be high on the Spurs board.

They will draft Castle over Dillingham. Spurs will like Castle's size and versatility being able to play multiple positions.

Spurs like to draft players who play defense and are willing to work on a player improving on his shooting. They will see Castle like a D White type of player.

If Castle Topic and Dillingham are all on the board at 4 Spurs should draft Castle. One of the other two will be there at 8 with the Spurs next pick.

[DPG21920]

Do you see Ivey as a SG or do you see him being able to be our PG?

Both. But you still draft whomever you want with picks 4 & 5. I just view it as upgrading guard talent and balancing out team a bit more

[ChumpDumper]

I was not into Castle all, until I saw that he was only an inch shorter than the supposed 6 foot 8 wings, Holland and Williams. Then you throw in that he could play PG, SG, or SF. He’s 6 foot 6. Outside shooting looks good at combine. The clincher is take a look at his highlights, he’s a can’t miss prospect.


https://youtu.be/7a8I8dxdL_M?si=D0Glft9a5dnERPkN

He checks every box for us, he’s a chameleonHe'll be OK in the NBA if he can shoot the three. If he can't, he's a miss prospect. If you take this dude at 4 you have to pray Dilly, Shepperd or Knecht is still there at 8 to get some real projected shooting.

[mo7888]

I'm thinking Castle will be high on the Spurs board.

They will draft Castle over Dillingham. Spurs will like Castle's size and versatility being able to play multiple positions.

Spurs like to draft players who play defense and are willing to work on a player improving on his shooting. They will see Castle like a D White type of player.

So a less athletic poorer shooting D White?

Not a bad comp.... lol... I'm kinda yanking your chain there. I can see the correlation between Castle and Draft day D White though...

[Ef-man]

I can't help but think in the back of my mind the Spurs might be cooking up a deal for one of these two picks. This is uncharted waters for them and they have the assets to move in order to bring in another player, whoever that might be. Just call it a gut feeling for now. It makes sense to do it for the timeline as well. One good vet and one good young player.

With picks at 4&8 and boatload of 2nd round picks, it is more than highly possible. I imagine pops (even Wemby) has told management who/what he needs to help Wemby (e.g., perceived ability to defend, score, and assist).

[DPG21920]

I'm thinking Castle will be high on the Spurs board.

They will draft Castle over Dillingham. Spurs will like Castle's size and versatility being able to play multiple positions.

Spurs like to draft players who play defense and are willing to work on a player improving on his shooting. They will see Castle like a D White type of player.

If Castle Topic and Dillingham are all on the board at 4 Spurs should draft Castle. One of the other two will be there at 8 with the Spurs next pick.

I dont know - I could see SA liking Dillingham/Holland combo personally. High upside scoring guard + the versatile high upside defender/motor guy.

[DPG21920]

He'll be OK in the NBA if he can shoot the three. If he can't, he's a miss prospect. If you take this dude at you have to pray Dilly, Shepperd or Knecht is still there at 8 to get some real projected shooting.

His floor is Exum and that’s not a good thing.

[benefactor]

With picks at 4&8 and boatload of 2nd round picks, it is more than highly possible. I imagine pops (even Wemby) has told management who/what he needs to help Wemby (e.g., perceived ability to defend, score, and assist).
I'm going to do a little digging and see if I can think about what else would work as a deal, but DPG has the best idea so far.

[SpursBills]

So a less athletic poorer shooting D White?

Not a bad comp.... lol... I'm kinda yanking your chain there. I can see the correlation between Castle and Draft day D White though...

Think more a bigger Jalen Suggs with about 80% of the athleticism and a worse outside shot. Man that sounds bad as I type it out

[ChumpDumper]

His floor is Exum and that’s not a good thing.
Most everyone in the lottery has a lower floor than I'd like, but that can happen when picking from a bunch of children. Have to squint a lot.

[Chinook]

knecht outperforming castle in basically every category is not something i saw coming. if we think castle can hold up at SF, less of a reason to believe Knecht cant

i thought knecht would wind up just under or at 6'5 with a barely positive wingspan, if that

and even if he held up well on stuff like the max vert, the agility times would be an issue. but his wingspan is fine and he's been one of the best overall in the agility drills

Remember that Matt Bonner was one of the strongest players in the NBA and that Grayson Allen could outjump Lonnie Walker. I don't put a lot of stock in any of these times, because there always seems to be some expected workout warrior who doesn't translate that gym athleticism into on-court explosiveness.

Also Castle isn't an SF. I would hope he could guard most small-forwards, but he looks to be a guard. At that size, Knecht has to play the three, but he'll have to show he can defend there. His cone agility doesn't erase the shaky defensive tape.

[benefactor]

Most everyone in the lottery has a lower floor than I'd like, but that can happen when picking from a bunch of children. Have to squint a lot.
I mentioned this a day or so ago. We're going to spend a lot of time analyzing players who don't have much gap between them. You are literally betting on one small set of intangibles and saying that guy is going to be the guy. This is one of the hardest drafts to call in quite some time because of that.

[Mr. Body]

I'd suggest Castle has a much better pedigree than Dante Exum, having played at a superior level on one of the best NCAA teams we've seen in a long time.

[DPG21920]

He'll be OK in the NBA if he can shoot the three. If he can't, he's a miss prospect. If you take this dude at 4 you have to pray Dilly, Shepperd or Knecht is still there at 8 to get some real projected shooting.

If he can shoot the 3 and shows hes actually not a scared-y cat offensive player I think he will be damn good and more than OK. But his floor is lower than I think some give thought to.

[DPG21920]

Most everyone in the lottery has a lower floor than I'd like, but that can happen when picking from a bunch of children. Have to squint a lot.

Absolutely - I actually do like Castle, but like all else there are serious questions. But guys like Dillingham + Reed at least have shooting to fall back on so floors are a bit higher with regards to being longer term nba bench players than many of the others.

[benefactor]

If he can shoot the 3 and shows hes actually not a scared-y cat offensive player I think he will be damn good and more than OK. But his floor is lower than I think some give thought to.
Who do you feel in this draft has true through the roof potential? Anyone? I'll go with the unpopular opinion and say Topic. I don't really want to pick him, but I do think he can be something special if he develops his game at an NBA level.

[jjspur]

I Think Sarr goes #1 - easy pick
#2 Washington picks Clingan, if not Clingan its Risacher. That team has a lot of needs.
#3 If the wizards take Risacher then the Rockets trade their pick to another team that eventually takes Clingan. Otherwise it's Reed Sheppard.
#4 If Sheppard is available you take him. Otherwise take Dilly or Castle in that order. We need a guard/backup guard in the worst way. Someone who can at least backup Trey if not replace him.

Teams in the 5-7 range have guards, so they will look for a big.
#8 Spurs have options here. Draft the best available big or possibly trade the pick. This isn't a quality draft so maybe getting out of the top 10 may be the better strategy. Remember big salary, not much playing time since they will be rookies doesn't always make a lot of sense.

[DPG21920]

I mentioned this a day or so ago. We're going to spend a lot of time analyzing players who don't have much gap between them. You are literally betting on one small set of intangibles and saying that guy is going to be the guy. This is one of the hardest drafts to call in quite some time because of that.

Yup. And as we saw with Primo or Samanic it’s so hard to nail down work ethic or character on top of potential. Good news is I think SA has been pretty damn hyper focused on the right archetypes lately. Versatile players with good size who can just play basketball.

They aren’t obsessed with “typical position labels” and care more about the above. So I feel pretty good that they are on the right track and aren’t starting from a place of valuing the wrong things. Now it’s just finding that value that matches up with what they know is important.

[DPG21920]

Who do you feel in this draft has true through the roof potential? Anyone? I'll go with the unpopular opinion and say Topic. I don't really want to pick him, but I do think he can be something special if he develops his game at an NBA level.

Honestly? Holland. And Dillingham after that. Not that I feel strongly about them but in terms of just valuing potential, I think those 2 more than most others.

Im intrigued if SA can do a trade for a guard like Ivey doing that 2 wing draft (Buzelis + Risacher or Holland/Cody), but another combo I think I personally would love to see for SA is Holland + Dillingham.

[Dhbsr555]

I Think Sarr goes #1 - easy pick
#2 Washington picks Clingan, if not Clingan its Risacher. That team has a lot of needs.
#3 If the wizards take Risacher then the Rockets trade their pick to another team that eventually takes Clingan. Otherwise it's Reed Sheppard.
#4 If Sheppard is available you take him. Otherwise take Dilly or Castle in that order. We need a guard/backup guard in the worst way. Someone who can at least backup Trey if not replace him.

Teams in the 5-7 range have guards, so they will look for a big.
#8 Spurs have options here. Draft the best available big or possibly trade the pick. This isn't a quality draft so maybe getting out of the top 10 may be the better strategy. Remember big salary, not much playing time since they will be rookies doesn't always make a lot of sense.
If your taking a guy at 4 your not picking him to be backup

[ChumpDumper]

If he can shoot the 3 and shows hes actually not a scared-y cat offensive player I think he will be damn good and more than OK. But his floor is lower than I think some give thought to.Yeah, offensive aggression will really be key if he wants to play the point. Who cares if he has physical advantages if he doesn't use them?

[ChumpDumper]

If your taking a guy at 4 your not picking him to be backupI don't know if we'll have much of a choice in that initially.

[benefactor]

Honestly? Holland. And Dillingham after that. Not that I feel strongly about them but in terms of just valuing potential, I think those 2 more than most others.

Im intrigued if SA can do a trade for a guard like Ivey doing that 2 wing draft (Buzelis + Risacher or Holland/Cody), but another combo I think I personally would love to see for SA is Holland + Dillingham.
Dilly is also a good choice. I could see him overcoming his size issues and becoming the water bug nobody can stop. He's never going to be a great defender, but if he can learn to have effort on that end he will be okay. He will easily offset it if he becomes an elite playmaker

[benefactor]

I don't know if we'll have much of a choice in that initially.
I don't think people understand there are not many day one starters in this lottery lol

[Ef-man]

Both. But you still draft whomever you want with picks 4 & 5. I just view it as upgrading guard talent and balancing out team a bit more

I thought our bigger need was a big as Collins and Mamu (not including Bassey) is all we have to support Wemby?

[ChumpDumper]

I don't think people understand there are not many day one starters in this lottery lol

If any of these guards can displace post All-Star Tre this season, it will be a wildly successful draft.

[NASpurs]

This guy's mock draft has done something that I was thinking of that the Spurs should do, probably draft two guards and see which one pans out. Probably not the combination you're thinking of.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGE5W2lJjsE

[DPG21920]

I thought our bigger need was a big as Collins and Mamu (not including Bassey) is all we have to support Wemby?

I think Mamu can be re-signed, we have Collins and I think you can even maybe sign a FA like Claxton or handle getting a big easier via whatever means (trade/fa)…Im not too worried about that right now.

[DPG21920]

His floor is Exum and that’s not a good thing.

Just to make clear: I do like Castle. I think his upside is pretty damn good comparatively and I love his defensive motor. I would be pretty damn happy if SA chooses him tbh but just stating my concerns with him. I have concerns for everyone though so..

I would love a Holland + Castle or Holland + Dillingham type draft.

[TD 21]

I think Mamu can be re-signed, we have Collins and I think you can even maybe sign a FA like Claxton or handle getting a big easier via whatever means (trade/fa)…Im not too worried about that right now.

Claxton will more than likely re-sign for 4/$100-125M with the Nets.

Investing significantly in another big/non shooter would be tone deaf anyway, as would drafting both Castle and Holland.

[DPG21920]

Claxton will more than likely re-sign for 4/$100-125M with the Nets.

Investing significantly in another big/non shooter would be tone deaf anyway, as would drafting both Castle and Holland.

Well it’s happening so get ready :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Claxton will more than likely re-sign for 4/$100-125M with the Nets.

Investing significantly in another big/non shooter would be tone deaf anyway, as would drafting both Castle and Holland.

Castle and Holland is just about the only two-shitty-shooter draft combo I think would be worth the swing, but it would be tough passing up the more sure things from the arc.

[benefactor]

Castle and Holland is just about the only two-shitty-shooter draft combo I think would be worth the swing, but it would be tough passing up the more sure things from the arc.
Dilly and Holland would be fine if we could swing it. Here's an interesting thought... what if Houston passed on Shepherd and you could wind up with Shepherd and Holland? One gunner and one defender/slasher.

[objective]

Shepherd and Holland? One gunner and one defender/slasher.

Sounds good to me, get it on the note cards to Silver asap

[DPG21920]

I love everything about Reed…except his size. So to me, if you’re drafting on offense (because even though Reed seems to care on defense and process things well, I don’t think either him or Dilly will be great defenders) then I have an edge to Dilly due to speed and shiftiness etc…

[DPG21920]

Go ahead and cut Branham and Wesley along with losing Cedi/Graham, get a third pick and replace Branham/Wesley/Graham/Cedi with Holland/Castle/Dillingham lol - F’IT

Can’t tell me that’s not a much higher upside group to pair with Wemby if we are talking about younger guys anyways for most part (Graham didnt play, but Branham/Blake did)

[benefactor]

Sounds good to me, get it on the note cards to Silver asap
You haven't solved all your problems, but you have put a couple of building blocks in place that you need to go forward. It's definitely not worst case scenario.

[ChumpDumper]

Dilly and Holland would be fine if we could swing it. Here's an interesting thought... what if Houston passed on Shepherd and you could wind up with Shepherd and Holland? One gunner and one defender/slasher.As different as they are I'm fine with either UK guard. I think either could bring something off the bench almost immediately.

[benefactor]

I love everything about Reed…except his size. So to me, if you’re drafting on offense (because even though Reed seems to care on defense and process things well, I don’t think either him or Dilly will be great defenders) then I have an edge to Dilly due to speed and shiftiness etc…
Yeah if I am picking and I have all of them available, I'm taking Holland and Dilly. I didn't really consider Holland much before, but watching the tape on him you can see he has legit perimeter defensive instincts. Things you can't teach. You have him as that one guy on the perimeter and you know who down low and that's really all you need. Then you surround them with playmakers

[DPG21920]

Yeah if I am picking and I have all of them available, I'm taking Holland and Dilly. I didn't really consider Holland much before, but watching the tape on him you can see he has legit perimeter defensive instincts. Things you can't teach. You have him as that one guy on the perimeter and you know who down low and that's really all you need. Then you surround them with playmakers

And not only that, Holland has legit 20PPG potential IMO. He was asked to handle the ball like a damn lead guard and that will not be his role in nba especially on Spurs with Wemby as the offensive hub. Like Sochan getting PG reps to prep him for excelling as an off ball initiator who you can swing it to and bend defenses with, Holland seems very much the same except he has legit scoring potential too.

[DPG21920]

I have no doubt Reed would be an upgrade over Tre. Reed is literally a generational shooter on paper by every damn measurement. He processes the game damn well as evidenced by his Dino arms and small stature still getting deflections and steals and some blocks.

He’s a pretty good passer, not great. But his shooting in place of what Tre brings would absolutely be an upgrade IMO and while hes a worse “point guard” than Tre probably, the shooting is more than enough to be an upgrade IMO with all Reed’s intangibles?

[benefactor]

Go ahead and cut Branham and Wesley along with losing Cedi/Graham, get a third pick and replace Branham/Wesley/Graham/Cedi with Holland/Castle/Dillingham lol - F’IT

Can’t tell me that’s not a much higher upside group to pair with Wemby if we are talking about younger guys anyways for most part (Graham didnt play, but Branham/Blake did)
You haven't said anything. I've been ready to flush most of this roster. Vassell and whoever else we bring into rebuild is really all I want to have.

[DAF86]

Castle's form is beyond ugly. I don't see him ever developing a reliable shot. I don't care what a 20 shots sample size in an empty gym says, tbh.

[mystargtr34]

I do think Washington will have a big impact on how the draft shakes out.

I can see them drafting any one of Clingan, Risacher, Holland, Topic, Dillingham.

Scenario 1
Hawks - Sarr
Washington - Fuck knows but I’ll say Clingan
Rockets - Sheppard
Spurs - Holland (Risacher is probably more likely)
Pistons - Risacher
Hornets - Castle
Blazers - Buzelis
Spurs - Dillingham
Memphis - Williams
Jazz - Topic

Scenario 2
Hawks - Sarr
Washington - Dillingham
Rockets - Sheppard
Spurs - Holland (Risacher is probably more likely)
Pistons - Risacher
Hornets - Castle
Blazers - Buzelis
Spurs - Williams
Memphis - Clingan
Jazz - Topic

If Dillingam gets past the Wiz and Rockets I can easily see him dropping to 8. But if he goes 2 or 3 I think the Spurs have to consider taking shooting at pick 4 unless they’re willing to reach for a Devin Carter or Jared McCain at pick 8.

[playblair]

knecht

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[RobinsontoDuncan]

I think Devin Carter might be a better fit on the Spurs than Dillingham or Sheppard. Don't @ me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag5CEMndDSw

[mystargtr34]

Devin Carter with the 8th pick shouldn’t be out of the equation. Bit of a reach but not that much. If the Spurs get their wing at 4 (Risacher, Holland).

[Big Empty]

I think Devin Carter might be a better fit on the Spurs than Dillingham or Sheppard. Don't @ me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag5CEMndDSw i remember being impressed by this kid. I hope the Spurs work him out

[RobinsontoDuncan]

Devin Carter with the 8th pick shouldn’t be out of the equation. Bit of a reach but not that much. If the Spurs get their wing at 4 (Risacher, Holland).

He just seems like a guy that's going to come out of no where to be a good player in the league. I think his ceiling is probably Jru Holiday level impact, which is very valuable in the playoffs. He completely dominated the combine athleticism testing, and he's a mature combo guard with excellent perimeter defense -- a profile we all know the Spurs really love. Not sure about the passing, but with the Spurs ball movement offense I don't think we need a heliocentric PG to dominate the ball. I think he's going to be a riser throughout this process similar to Jalen Williams in his draft year.

[Dejounte]

So has there been any news on why Dilly missed the strength and agility tests? If he just straight up ducked it, that’s really concerning.

[LeBowen]

So has there been any news on why Dilly missed the strength and agility tests? If he just straight up ducked it, that’s really concerning.

I think I saw a report about ankle injury that happened a few weeks back. It said he'll be available for all the workouts before the draft.

I keep chaning my opinion every day. :rollin
I'd be better off not watching any of these videos or following the draft news.

Carter does look good, your typical steady, well-rounded point guard, might be just what we need. And he'll surely be there at #8.

[SouthernFryd]

If you could combine Carters D with Vassells O, you'd have a great player.

A tough defensive minded 2 guard who can shoot a 3. He can guard anyone.

But, I don't see him as a point.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

If you could combine Carters D with Vassells O, you'd have a great player.

A tough defensive minded 2 guard who can shoot a 3. He can guard anyone.

But, I don't see him as a point.

I actually think Carter is way, way more naturally talented of a scorer than Vassell, who was super raw coming out of college. Granted Carter is an older prospect than Vassell was, but his athleticism allows him to bully his way to the hoop at will at college, and he's a solid shooter. He may struggle at PG at first, but unlike Shepperd or Dillingham, I think Carter's floor is reliable two-way starter on a contending team. I think he fits the Spurs better than Dillingham, who I believe is going to have to be a Kyrie Irving level player to be an NBA starter. I just don't trust the defense will come along with him, so he's a much more of a high-risk, high-reward type player.

Shepperd is a legit hooper, but there just haven't been many prospects like him in recent years. His shooting is unbelievable, and his defense was very strong in college, but I don't think he has a natural feel for the PG position which is all he's suitable to play as an NBA starter.

Carter just seems like much more of a sure bet than either of the two Kentucky guards. Castle probably has the highest ceiling of the three (Dillingham, Shepperd, and Carter), but he could also easily end up being an end of the rotation type guy in the NBA given how limited his role was at UConn.

[exstatic]

Go ahead and cut Branham and Wesley along with losing Cedi/Graham, get a third pick and replace Branham/Wesley/Graham/Cedi with Holland/Castle/Dillingham lol - F’IT

Can’t tell me that’s not a much higher upside group to pair with Wemby if we are talking about younger guys anyways for most part (Graham didnt play, but Branham/Blake did)

This is probably the worst draft this century to trade up in, or into. Wesley and Branham would be top 10, and there’s no one in our range worth cutting them and eating two years salary on both.

[Atl Spur]

#4 : Edey. #8: Castle my ideal draft

[CorrectCrusader]

I really like my Keldon for Ivey deal tbh…it’s a great gamble imo for multiple reasons. Nearly every pistons fan I spoke to said they liked it too

Keldon has been a good soldier, they wouldn't do that to him.

[CorrectCrusader]

#4 : Edey. #8: Castle my ideal draft

Are you developmentally disabled

[CorrectCrusader]

Castle's form is beyond ugly. I don't see him ever developing a reliable shot. I don't care what a 20 shots sample size in an empty gym says, tbh.

His form isn't ugly. It just has an odd hitch when he's pushing out which is super easy to fix

[Guru of Nothing]

My top two right now are Castle and Buzelis. Doubt we can get both with the #4 and #8, but I'd take Castle first, probably because I imagine him matching up against SGA in our blooming rivalry with OKC.

Wemby vs Holmgren
Castle vs SGA
... let's go all in and draft Cody Williams at #8 to pit brother vs brother.

[DAF86]

His form isn't ugly. It just has an odd hitch when he's pushing out which is super easy to fix

I don't see it.

[Mugen]

This is probably the worst draft this century to trade up in, or into. Wesley and Branham would be top 10, and there’s no one in our range worth cutting them and eating two years salary on both.

It's a bad draft but no they wouldn't :lol

[CorrectCrusader]

I don't see it.
Someone posted his combine shooting earlier in this thread. When he brings the ball up he brings it way back before the wrist flick

[DAF86]

Castle isn't a PG, has subpar shooting ability, subpar playmaking ability, subpar athleticism, is slightly undersized for his position. I really don't get why everyone seems to have a hardon for the guy.

[mudyez]

My top two right now are Castle and Buzelis. Doubt we can get both with the #4 and #8, but I'd take Castle first, probably because I imagine him matching up against SGA in our soon to be blooming rivalry with OKC.

Wemby vs Holmgren
Castle vs SGA
... let's go all in and draft Cody Williams at #8 to pit brother vs brother.

I'd think you probably could get those two if we take Matas #4...there might be a good chance of Castle lasting until #8.

I personally would prefer one of them beeing a shooter though...i.e. Risacher instead of Buz

[DAF86]

Someone posted his combine shooting earlier in this thread. When he brings the ball up he brings it way back before the wrist flick

Link to that post?

[exstatic]

Castle isn't a PG, has subpar shooting ability, subpar playmaking ability, subpar athleticism, is slightly undersized for his position. I really don't get why everyone seems to have a hardon for the guy.

He was a PG in HS, and a rather highly regarded one, who had to take a back seat as a freshman in a winning program that runs a motion offense. Pop seems to like the idea of big PGs , so if they draft him they’ll probably give him run at PG.

[CorrectCrusader]

Link to that post?

I would if I could find it

[Splits]

knecht outperforming castle in basically every category is not something i saw coming. if we think castle can hold up at SF, less of a reason to believe Knecht cant

i thought knecht would wind up just under or at 6'5 with a barely positive wingspan, if that

and even if he held up well on stuff like the max vert, the agility times would be an issue. but his wingspan is fine and he's been one of the best overall in the agility drills

I've been on the Knecht bandwagon for awhile. Primarily because he could start right away and I don't want to develop two more g'damn teenagers that won't have an impact for 2-3 years.

[Splits]

Zach Edey, Dalton Knecht among biggest stock risers at the 2024 NBA draft combine (https://collegesportswire.usatoday.com/lists/zach-edey-dalton-knecht-stock-risers-2024-nba-draft-combine/)

[LeBowen]

I've been on the Knecht bandwagon for awhile. Primarily because he could start right away and I don't want to develop two more g'damn teenagers that won't have an impact for 2-3 years.

If we get a questionable shooter (pretty much everyone except Dillingham) with #4, then Knecht must be the priority for #8.
I kind of don't want Dillingham anymore, he's ridiculously skilled but the lack of size is just too much. If he's available at #8 take him, but not with #4.

Use #4 for the player with highest ceiling and then #8 for Knecht/Dillingham or someone who they didn't think would drop to #8.

[Mr. Body]

Just to note, here are the high school rankings for 2023:

1 Ron Holland
2 Isaiah Collier
3 Justin Edwards
4 Cody Williams
5 Aaron Bradshaw
6 DJ Wagner
7 Matas Buzelis
8 Ja'Kobe Walter
9 Stephon Castle

14 Jared McCain
21 Rob Dillingham
35 Johnny Furphy
79 Reed Sheppard

Those top Kentucky players really didn't pan out.

[DPG21920]

This is probably the worst draft this century to trade up in, or into. Wesley and Branham would be top 10, and there’s no one in our range worth cutting them and eating two years salary on both.

I disagree completely. Im fine giving Branham + Wesley some more time to fight and grow, but I will not be at all surprised if theres 10+ players that are clearly better than Branham+Blake this year from this draft.

[Atl Spur]

Are you developmentally disabled

Again, no slick talk necessary. Edey & Castle not as far fetched as you might think.

[rascal]

Castle isn't a PG, has subpar shooting ability, subpar playmaking ability, subpar athleticism, is slightly undersized for his position. I really don't get why everyone seems to have a hardon for the guy.

Because he's better than Dillingham in every area except 3 pt shooting.

[Atl Spur]

Quick question, would it bother any of you if Okc got Eady?

[LeBowen]

Quick question, would it bother any of you if Okc got Eady?

No.
Rookie Wemby torched Gobert, matched up well against AD and Jokic. Big bodies don't bother him.
It would bother me if OKC replaces Giddey with Markkanen or another elite shooter with size.

[rascal]

He was a PG in HS, and a rather highly regarded one, who had to take a back seat as a freshman in a winning program that runs a motion offense. Pop seems to like the idea of big PGs , so if they draft him they’ll probably give him run at PG.

If the Spurs thought Sochan could play pg then for sure they will see Castle as a pg.

Dillingham doesn't fit the type of player the Spurs want. They like players who can play defense and like players with versatility.
Castle can play both pg and sg to get his minutes and would be excellent in a three guard rotation.

[jjspur]

I don't think people understand there are not many day one starters in this lottery lol

Ideally every team wants to draft a starter from the top 10 - that's the goal, but like you said, probably not in this rather weak sauce draft. Eventually they might start, but probably not on day 1. If you're a loaded team like Boston, it's no big deal, but if you're a team like the spurs, well we need help pretty much everywhere. Nabbing a starter is what we need, it just may not be what we get even with 2 top 10 picks. This draft has a lot of solid players, I just don't see many stars or all stars. Time will tell.

[rascal]

I'd think you probably could get those two if we take Matas #4...there might be a good chance of Castle lasting until #8.

I personally would prefer one of them beeing a shooter though...i.e. Risacher instead of Buz

Doubt Castle ends up lasting until 8. Spurs need to take him at 4 if they want him.

I like Buz more than Risacher. Buz seems mentally tougher and looks bigger and moves with more fluidity.

[Atl Spur]

No.
Rookie Wemby torched Gobert, matched up well against AD and Jokic. Big bodies don't bother him.
It would bother me if OKC replaces Giddey with Markkanen or another elite shooter with size.

You are missing the point, Kat isn’t in the same league as Chet defensively.

[LeBowen]

You are missing the point, Kat isn’t in the same league as Chet defensively.

What does KAT have to do with this?
You asked about Edey. I replied that size doesn't matter when matching up against Wemby.
OKC won't draft a non-shooter. They gave Sengun to Houston just because he can't shoot. Presti is very rigid with his roster building ideas.

[rascal]

If Topic is there at 4 the Spurs shouldn't draft him at 4.

Take the gamble that Det, Char and Portland won't draft Topic.

Spurs will still have a shot at Topic at 8.

[buttsR4rebounding]

If Topic is there at 4 the Spurs shouldn't draft him at 4.

Take the gamble that Det, Char and Portland won't draft Topic.

Spurs will still have a shot at Topic at 8.

:clap

[Mugen]

Devin Carter is gonna rise up the boards and I think will be a real consideration at #8 come draft day tbh.

[DesignatedT]

If Castle is undersized what does that make Dillingham and Sheppard? Lol. Castle is a legit 6'6+ in shoes with a +4 wingspan.

[exstatic]

If Castle is undersized what does that make Dillingham and Sheppard? Lol. Castle is a legit 6'6+ in shoes with a +4 wingspan.

He doesn’t consider Castle to be a PG.

[DesignatedT]

I mean Castle pretty much has the exact same measurements as Manu did.

[Mugen]

Castle is an interesting pick at #4 because even if he never becomes a PG, he still has a pretty high floor as a wing + secondary playmaker. If his shooting ever becomes passable and his lead playmaking develops to allow him to play point then he's a home run pick.

I think the Spurs would draft him in hopes of turning him into a PG but it wouldn't necessarily preclude them from picking Dillingham at #8 and just sliding Castle into the starting 3 spot.

The shooting is a major concern but he's a good enough cutter that you could get away with it for a few years. The Spurs would absolutely need another shooter at the 3 spot though.

[CorrectCrusader]

I feel like Castle is the no brainer pick BWright would make at 4

[Dejounte]

Castle is an interesting pick at #4 because even if he never becomes a PG, he still has a pretty high floor as a wing + secondary playmaker. If his shooting ever becomes passable and his lead playmaking develops to allow him to play point then he's a home run pick.

I think the Spurs would draft him in hopes of turning him into a PG but it wouldn't necessarily preclude them from picking Dillingham at #8 and just sliding Castle into the starting 3 spot.

The shooting is a major concern but he's a good enough cutter that you could get away with it for a few years. The Spurs would absolutely need another shooter at the 3 spot though.

This is exactly my line of thinking. There’s multiple ways to make Castle work before he’s declared a bust, and that’s what makes him a good and safe pick. Others only have one way: if Zaccharie’s shot isn’t falling, he’s useless everywhere else. If Topic is not finding others on offense, then he’s useless. Etc. etc.

[CorrectCrusader]

This is exactly my line of thinking. There’s multiple ways to make Castle work before he’s declared a bust, and that’s what makes him a good and safe pick. Others only have one way: if Zaccharie’s shot isn’t falling, he’s useless everywhere else. If Topic is not finding others on offense, then he’s useless. Etc. etc.

Nah he's still a good defender and off ball player.

[Dejounte]

Nah he's still a good defender and off ball player.

The guy who falls on his ass after a dunk every time and gets shoved out of position on defense a lot… Yeah, I just don’t think so. He looks like a lesser Keita Bates Diop on that end.

[mo7888]

This is exactly my line of thinking. There’s multiple ways to make Castle work before he’s declared a bust, and that’s what makes him a good and safe pick. Others only have one way: if Zaccharie’s shot isn’t falling, he’s useless everywhere else. If Topic is not finding others on offense, then he’s useless. Etc. etc.

Even though I think Risacher will be the better player, I can't argue that Castle is a safer pick if Risacher's shot doesn't fall.

[Manu20]

I like Nikola Topic but I do believe he won't be NBA ready right away like a Castle, Sheppard, or Dillingham. Topic is a High Risk High Reward type of pic but considering that Wemby is already playing at a superstar level the Spurs need to draft players that can contribute right away.

[LeBowen]

Even though I think Risacher will be the better player, I can't argue that Castle is a safer pick if Risacher's shot doesn't fall.

Is he? Even though he could play at SF, he's still a guard and having a non-shooting guard is way worse than having a non-shooting wing.
Until they become servicable shooters, Castle and Jeremy wouldn't be able to share the floor.

I'd rather have Castle who's guaranteed to be good at one aspect of the game than some other projects who need to put everything together.

[Pauleta14]

The more I learn about those prospects and the more I read this thread, the less I know :lol

[R. DeMurre]

Devin Carter is giving me Jose Alvarado vibes... and a Jose Alvarado who's a hair under 6'4" in shoes (with nearly a 6'9" wingspan) instead of 6' could potentially be a big time steal in the draft. He dominated the draft combine physical testing, at or near the top in every category.

[Atl Spur]

What does KAT have to do with this?
You asked about Edey. I replied that size doesn't matter when matching up against Wemby.
OKC won't draft a non-shooter. They gave Sengun to Houston just because he can't shoot. Presti is very rigid with his roster building ideas.

Two teams have definitive unicorn's ( sa & okc) that can be devastating weak side defenders! Okc doesn’t need five shooters on the court more than they need a big presence in the paint. SGA, Dort,Williams,Chet,Edey is a problem!

[LeBowen]

Two teams have definitive unicorn's ( sa & okc) that can be devastating weak side defenders!

Wemby is a devastating defender either way. Playing him alongside another big just ruins the spacing on offense.


Okc doesn’t need five shooters on the court more than they need a big presence in the paint. SGA, Dort,Williams,Chet,Edey is a problem!

That's not the way Presti sees it, it's obvious they're going for maximum spacing and switchability.

[Atl Spur]

Wemby is a devastating defender either way. Playing him alongside another big just ruins the spacing on offense.



That's not the way Presti sees it, it's obvious they're going for maximum spacing and switchability.

Who else can run an iso big man pick and roll like Wemby / Edey pairing? Only Okc surrounded by three shooters…..

[The Truth #6]

Devin Carter is giving me Jose Alvarado vibes... and a Jose Alvarado who's a hair under 6'4" in shoes (with nearly a 6'9" wingspan) instead of 6' could potentially be a big time steal in the draft. He dominated the draft combine physical testing, at or near the top in every category.

Same. I'm opening up to him as a prospect. The combine results help him be seen as a safer pick in that at least no physical limitations. 8 would be the highest he goes and only if Reed, Castle, and Dillingham are gone already.

[Mugen]

I've never seen a more on brand post than Miss Cleo advocating for the Spurs to pick Boban Edey at #4 :lol

[R. DeMurre]

Same. I'm opening up to him as a prospect. The combine results help him be seen as a safer pick in that at least no physical limitations. 8 would be the highest he goes and only if Reed, Castle, and Dillingham are gone already.


Definitely feels like a Miami Heat pick, with him being slightly older and maybe more likely to contribute immediately.

[exstatic]

I like Nikola Topic but I do believe he won't be NBA ready right away like a Castle, Sheppard, or Dillingham. Topic is a High Risk High Reward type of pic but considering that Wemby is already playing at a superstar level the Spurs need to draft players that can contribute right away.

I’m going to quote this and respond every time anyone posts this.

NO ONE IN THIS DRAFT IS NBA READY.

[spurraider21]

Remember that Matt Bonner was one of the strongest players in the NBA and that Grayson Allen could outjump Lonnie Walker. I don't put a lot of stock in any of these times, because there always seems to be some expected workout warrior who doesn't translate that gym athleticism into on-court explosiveness.

Also Castle isn't an SF. I would hope he could guard most small-forwards, but he looks to be a guard. At that size, Knecht has to play the three, but he'll have to show he can defend there. His cone agility doesn't erase the shaky defensive tape.
yeah i agree in not getting too caught up in combine stuff. i think the most misleading is often the verticals. volleyball athleticism isnt the same as basketball athleticism. the measurables dont define how good the player is, but they can often be indicators that there is room for improvement.

but they're most useful to confirm priors. "oh, this guy looks like he overwhelms players with size, so he can get away with his ballhandling deficiencies" and then the combine shows mediocre to sub par length numbers and you second guess what he can get away with

[heyheymymy]

Same. I'm opening up to [Devin Carter] as a prospect. The combine results help him be seen as a safer pick in that at least no physical limitations. 8 would be the highest he goes and only if Reed, Castle, and Dillingham are gone already.

Considering this path too. Saw Devin Carter mocked #13 by The Ringer. It's a reach but the 6'8.75" wingspan, offense, solid but basic passing and decent defense help justify it in the case you miss out on Sheppard, Castle and Dilly. I like Carter next even before McCain now. Could see that being the Spursy move out of left field and I can live with it.

Devin Carter does have a wonky shot mechanics and he's 22 though.

[LeBowen]

I’m going to quote this and respond every time anyone posts this.

NO ONE IN THIS DRAFT IS NBA READY.

Tbh, we shouldn't talk about NBA ready, but better than Champagnie, Branham, Wesley and Mamu ready. :lol

[Rocalcio]

Honestly, I think everyone’s going to be happy no matter what the Spurs do because we have two picks in this draft.

You can be sure some guys here will be blaming PATFO 1 month after the beginning of the season because they passed on a guy who is having a better start than the players they picked.

[Atl Spur]

I've never seen a more on brand post than Miss Cleo advocating for the Spurs to pick Boban Edey at #4 :lol

Poor you….. still at it huh? I said a few weeks back you boys were seeing Edey all wrong and now the numbers are here to support it :) I have the receipts. Who would you rather have Steven Adam’s or Edey? BTW, are you saying Boban and Edey are the same type player? Asking for a friend

[NASpurs]

Tbh, we shouldn't talk about NBA ready, but better than Champagnie, Branham, Wesley and Mamu ready. :lol

Are Champ, Branham and Wesley NBA ready? I'm still waiting :lol

[BackHome]

With almost zero shooting :lol. This lineup would be horrendous offensively. Don't think we take both Castle and Holland. Just guessing here, but unless a second wing is clearly BPA, I think PATFO take one wing and one guard (assuming we keep both picks).

Do you really think anyone we draft this year are going to start and get major minutes there first year? The only way I see that happening is if they trade Blake and Branham and I just don’t see that happening unless a major trade works out.

[LeBowen]

Are Champ, Branham and Wesley NBA ready? I'm still waiting :lol

I bet that neither Branham or Wesley are on the roster for 25-26 season and that Champagnie will never be anything more than 10th man in the rotation.

Tbh, just call Detroit before the draft and ask them about Cade. They're not going anywhere for at least three more years and he hasn't signed an extension yet.

[Leetonidas]

Do you really think anyone we draft this year are going to start and get major minutes there first year? The only way I see that happening is if they trade Blake and Branham and I just don’t see that happening unless a major trade works out.

Why wouldn't they? This isn't the Spurs of old competing for chips and not needing rookies. This team is hot garbage outside of Wemby and aside him and Vassell no one is good enough to be getting guaranteed minutes

[Splits]

Do you really think anyone we draft this year are going to start and get major minutes there first year? The only way I see that happening is if they trade Blake and Branham and I just don’t see that happening unless a major trade works out.

Knecht would

[Dejounte]

Do you really think anyone we draft this year are going to start and get major minutes there first year? The only way I see that happening is if they trade Blake and Branham and I just don’t see that happening unless a major trade works out.

Sochan started right away. Yes, they definitely will start at least one rookie right away. The Spurs treat their top 10 picks differently than their non-top 10. It’s a myth that they don’t play rookies just because we had so many rookies in the past that didn’t play. They were drafted late. That’s all it was.

[Ariel]

So has there been any news on why Dilly missed the strength and agility tests? If he just straight up ducked it, that’s really concerning
https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/page/NBADraft24-40145332/2024-nba-draft-combine-prospects-workout-highlights-measurements-stats-more

Rob Dillingham, PG, Kentucky: Dillingham, a projected top-five pick who ranks No. 4 in our Top 100, wasn't able to fully participate in the draft combine Monday. He sprained an ankle in a workout two weeks ago, Klutch Sports agent Lucas Newton told ESPN, and is expected to be out for another two to four weeks. Even with a more conservative timetable, Dillingham should have enough days available before the June 26 draft to conduct workouts with teams as needed, though he may not need to do more than a handful given his draft projections.

[jjspur]

If Wesley and Branham were drafted by other teams and had the same stats, they would be in the G-league or cut. Every so often they had a decent game, but these guys don't add that much to our team that can't be replaced by one of our draftees. Please don't talk about wasted salaries. The team has spent many millions on players that never set foot on the spurs court and still got paid for doing nothing. Think Marcus Morris.. Yeah he was part of a trade but we got next to nothing for it. Wesley and Branham should be let go, it wont hurt that much. We just have to be smart with our draft picks.

[Ariel]

Definitely feels like a Miami Heat pick, with him being slightly older and maybe more likely to contribute immediately.
Plus his father is former Miami player and current staff member Anthony Carter.

[Mugen]

Poor you….. still at it huh? I said a few weeks back you boys were seeing Edey all wrong and now the numbers are here to support it :) I have the receipts. Who would you rather have Steven Adam’s or Edey? BTW, are you saying Boban and Edey are the same type player? Asking for a friend

Maybe BWrong should package #4/#8 to trade up to to #1 just to make sure we don't lose out on him :lol

[heyheymymy]

Plus his father is former Miami player and current staff member Anthony Carter.

Damn man that's a perfect narrative. Miami gets 2 really nice picks in a row with Jaquez Jr. and Carter if so. Good info, thanks.

[benefactor]

Maybe BWrong should package #4/#8 to trade up to to #1 just to make sure we don't lose out on him :lol
I knew as soon as the picks were announced that 2000's era Spur fan would show up and start stanning for Edey.

No disappoint detected.

[TheChillFactor]

Plus his father is former Miami player and current staff member Anthony Carter.

Anthony Carter is a former Spur too

[OldMan88]

Carter interests me. Highlight clips are never anything you’d want to hang your hat on, but they can certainly make you go hmmm ��. I like the strength he shows in the paint and making good use of contact. Shot looks decent with a very quick release. Definitely has the balls to take difficult shots. Could be a good option for 8th.

[Raven]

well fck. If Castle comes in at 6'6 I want him as our PG at 8 but doubt he makes it there at that height

wingspan isn't good for that height which brings questions

[Atl Spur]

I knew as soon as the picks were announced that 2000's era Spur fan would show up and start stanning for Edey.

No disappoint detected.

I guess Minnesota has the same fans with worst pieces. Edey can work with specific teams as stated above, not all….. I have no problem explaining.

[Atl Spur]

Maybe BWrong should package #4/#8 to trade up to to #1 just to make sure we don't lose out on him :lol

Still waiting for that answer sport…. Just trolling to be trolling again? I’ll let you make it:)

[LeBowen]

wingspan isn't good for that height which brings questions

6'9 wingspan is plenty for a guard.
Except Dillingham, measurements of every other player Spurs will target are fine. It's all about their basketball IQ and skillset.
Athleticism means shit if they can't play.

[Raven]

Matas and Holland will be gone by 8, which leaves the PGs. Unless the Spurs want to take a second PG (barf), they’re likely looking at a swing on Cody for Saluan at 8.

think those two are the easiest busts to project

[Raven]

I was not into Castle all, until I saw that he was only an inch shorter than the supposed 6 foot 8 wings, Holland and Williams. Then you throw in that he could play PG, SG, or SF. He’s 6 foot 6. Outside shooting looks good at combine. The clincher is take a look at his highlights, he’s a can’t miss prospect.


https://youtu.be/7a8I8dxdL_M?si=D0Glft9a5dnERPkN

He checks every box for us, he’s a chameleon. Then if we still take Dilly, Topic, or Sheppard at 8 that’s fine also.

he didn't look like the pg in this video.

[benefactor]

Still waiting for that answer sport…. Just trolling to be trolling again? I’ll let you make it:)
Of course he's trolling you. Your take isn't serious and doesn't deserve a serious answer. It's no one's problem but you're own that you can't figure that out.

[Mugen]

Still waiting for that answer sport…. Just trolling to be trolling again? I’ll let you make it:)

Anybody that thinks Edey should go top 5 isn't a serious person tbh. Just keep looking at that crystal ball :lol

[benefactor]

Anybody that thinks Edey should go top 5 isn't a serious person tbh. Just keep looking at that crystal ball :lol


Of course he's trolling you. Your take isn't serious and doesn't deserve a serious answer. It's no one's problem but you're own that you can't figure that out.
:tu :lol

[Atl Spur]

:tu :lol

So you are saying Edey can or can’t thrive as mentioned above or are speaking more towards his draft position? The he’s not athletic or skilled enough narrative has been debunked. Help me figure that out since I’m seeing it all wrong.

[Atl Spur]

Anybody that thinks Edey should go top 5 isn't a serious person tbh. Just keep looking at that crystal ball :lol

Don’t you start moving that goal post…..lol Be a big boy and use your words.

[Raven]

6'9 wingspan is plenty for a guard.
Except Dillingham, measurements of every other player Spurs will target are fine. It's all about their basketball IQ and skillset.
Athleticism means shit if they can't play.

if you're projecting him as a defender, he has to have at least 7ft wingspan at that height, otherwise he's relying on smarts and timing. he's not an outstanding leaper, he ain't blocking anyone other than pgs with that wingspan. Which reframes the question to how fast is he, how smart is he, can he guard without fouling etc..

[Mugen]

The two biggest needs heading into next season are:

1. Shooting
(Sizable Gap)
2. Perimeter defense

You can make an argument for a guy that can pressure the rim + lead playmaking but I'd argue that the above are more pressing needs.

Minnesota is about to get backdoor swept despite being the best defensive team in the league because 1) Their shooting has fallen off since Game 2 and 2) Denver has gotten outside shooting from Gordon, Holiday, Murray, and even Braun. 3pt shooting is the cheat code in today's modern NBA that lets you cover up A LOT of your deficiencies.

-It's why Risacher is the pick at #4 if they believe in his early season shooting because he's really the only guy in the top 10 that currently projects to be above average in both categories
-It's why I'd even be okay with a Dillingham/Knecht combo.
-It's why if they go with a Castle/Buzelis at #4, they HAVE to go with a shooter at #8 (Knecht, DCarter).

[LeBowen]

if you're projecting him as a defender, he has to have at least 7ft wingspan at that height, otherwise he's relying on smarts and timing. he's not an outstanding leaper, he ain't blocking anyone other than pgs with that wingspan. Which reframes the question to how fast is he, how smart is he, can he guard without fouling etc..

Derrick has 6'8 wingspan, his vertical isn't that amazing compared to some high flyers in the league today and he's by far the best shot blocker among guards right now. Better than majority of wings.
Castle looks to be way more athletic than Derrick in his highlights.

Sometimes I honestly have to wonder if some of you people even watch basketball or just talk nonsense for the sake of it.

[Atl Spur]

if you're projecting him as a defender, he has to have at least 7ft wingspan at that height, otherwise he's relying on smarts and timing. he's not an outstanding leaper, he ain't blocking anyone other than pgs with that wingspan. Which reframes the question to how fast is he, how smart is he, can he guard without fouling etc..

Castle is 6”5.5 w/o shoes ( add a 1 or 1.5 ) with shoes, he basically is SGA physically speaking. I’ll take that based off his defensive chops & BBIQ. They loved him here in high school

[Raven]

Who do you feel in this draft has true through the roof potential? Anyone? I'll go with the unpopular opinion and say Topic. I don't really want to pick him, but I do think he can be something special if he develops his game at an NBA level.
Absolutely nobody. Some could be starters as strict role players, not 3 and d guys, but most project as bench spark or straight up busts

[benefactor]

So you are saying Edey can or can’t thrive as mentioned above or are speaking more towards his draft position? The he’s not athletic or skilled enough narrative has been debunked. Help me figure that out since I’m seeing it all wrong.


Don’t you start moving that goal post…..lol
:lol

[JPB]

That would be a success for Edey to crack the lottery, with top 10 as ceiling. But it's safe to say no one is taking him top 5.

[Atl Spur]

The two biggest needs heading into next season are:

1. Shooting
(Sizable Gap)
2. Perimeter defense

You can make an argument for a guy that can pressure the rim + lead playmaking but I'd argue that the above are more pressing needs.

Minnesota is about to get backdoor swept despite being the best defensive team in the league because 1) Their shooting has fallen off since Game 2 and 2) Denver has gotten outside shooting from Gordon, Holiday, Murray, and even Braun. 3pt shooting is the cheat code in today's modern NBA that lets you cover up A LOT of your deficiencies.

-It's why Risacher is the pick at #4 if they believe in his early season shooting because he's really the only guy in the top 10 that currently projects to be above average in both categories
-It's why I'd even be okay with a Dillingham/Knecht combo.
-It's why if they go with a Castle/Buzelis at #4, they HAVE to go with a shooter at #8 (Knecht, DCarter).

Look at you; #littlekeyboardwarrior Typing a blistering 45wpm

[Atl Spur]

Derrick has 6'8 wingspan, his vertical isn't that amazing compared to some high flyers in the league today and he's by far the best shot blocker among guards right now. Better than majority of wings.
Castle looks to be way more athletic than Derrick in his highlights.

Sometimes I honestly have to wonder if some of you people even watch basketball or just talk nonsense for the sake of it.

Good shit! Facts always help a position.

[scott]

1790756898423099801

Matas > Risacher

[Atl Spur]

That would be a success for Edey to crack the lottery, with top 10 as ceiling. But it's safe to say no one is taking him top 5.

Ok. 8 would be fine…..just get him here. Can’t teach size

[Raven]

I thought our bigger need was a big as Collins and Mamu (not including Bassey) is all we have to support Wemby?

sochan is our current starter at pf

[Mr. Body]

1790756898423099801

Matas > Risacher

Fucking hell I have no idea why people are all over Risacher's jock. He's maaaaaybe better than Champagnie. Maybe.

[LeBowen]

sochan is our current starter at pf

And we're one of the worst teams in the league.
Maybe even the worst without Wemby.

Sochan is a starter until we get someone better. If he doesn't improve, that is.
With his current shooting ability, he's never going to be a starter for a serious playoff team, even if he improves every other aspect of the game his ceiling will be a glue guy and a situational wing off the bench.

Noone except Wemby should be safe. Or feel safe.
Not even Devin.
Playing with the potential GOAT should be a privilege, they better earn it.

[Atl Spur]

Fucking hell I have no idea why people are all over Risacher's jock. He's maaaaaybe better than Champagnie. Maybe.

We need him to go top three.

[Mugen]

1790756898423099801

Matas > Risacher

Ausar went top 5 last year. Keegan Murray the year before that.

Not saying it's 1:1 and I'm still not 100% sold on Risacher but "3&D" wings that can't create definitely go in the top 5/10 tbh.

[Atl Spur]

And we're one of the worst teams in the league.
Maybe even the worst without Wemby.

Sochan is a starter until we get someone better. If he doesn't improve, that is.
With his current shooting ability, he's never going to be a starter for a serious playoff team, even if he improves every other aspect of the game his ceiling will be a glue guy and a situational wing off the bench.

Noone except Wemby should be safe. Or feel safe.
Not even Devin.
Playing with the potential GOAT should be a privilege, they better earn it.

Could I interest you in a :castle /Topic/dillingham, vassell, Sochan, Wemby, Edey lineup?

[LeBowen]

Could I interest you in a :castle /Topic/dillingham, vassell, Sochan, Wemby, Edey lineup?

Only if you manage to have Silver remove the 3pt line.

[timtonymanu]

Look at you; #littlekeyboardwarrior Typing a blistering 45wpm

At least I can understand what he’s posting. You could barely put together a cohesive sentence sometimes .

[exstatic]

he didn't look like the pg in this video.

UConn runs a motion offense. It could be said truthfully that they have either no PG, or five PGs. There is no ball dominant player,and in fact, no one attacks the rim off the dribble. Every play involves at least 3-4 different screens, and the player that shoots rarely dribbles the ball. He either cuts to the rim for a bunny, or flares to an open spot for a wide open J.

[exstatic]

if you're projecting him as a defender, he has to have at least 7ft wingspan at that height, otherwise he's relying on smarts and timing. he's not an outstanding leaper, he ain't blocking anyone other than pgs with that wingspan. Which reframes the question to how fast is he, how smart is he, can he guard without fouling etc..

7 foot would be ELITE, not expected. Plus 3.5 is fine for a POA defender.

[JPB]

I’m going to quote this and respond every time anyone posts this.

NO ONE IN THIS DRAFT IS NBA READY.

The first seaon is gonna be brutal for many of these kids... Anyone expecting a Dilly to come and start, or be an immediate, short term solution at PG is gonna end up disappointed... They're all at least middle term projects for a pretty low celiing. Bare any trade, Tre is still our starting PG next year.

[LeBowen]

UConn runs a motion offense. It could be said truthfully that they have either no PG, or five PGs. There is no ball dominant player,and in fact, no one attacks the rim off the dribble. Every play involves at least 3-4 different screens, and the player that shoots rarely dribbles the ball. He either cuts to the rim for a bunny, or flares to an open spot for a wide open J.

I haven't seen enough of him, but do you think Castle/Vassell guard duo could work? With a couple of traditional wings that aren't point forwards?
I wouldn't pick him if he can't solve our point guard issues. Doesn't have to be a floor general, just competent enough as a primary ballhandler.

[KobesAchilles]

I'll take Buz and Topic this year

[kobyz]

Have a feeling Spurs will go with Topic #4 and Salaun #8

[Raven]

I like Nikola Topic but I do believe he won't be NBA ready right away like a Castle, Sheppard, or Dillingham. Topic is a High Risk High Reward type of pic but considering that Wemby is already playing at a superstar level the Spurs need to draft players that can contribute right away.
i feel that the high reward phrase, gets overused a lot... like he's not athletic, he's never going to be, it's not a big gamble like drafting andre drummond

[Mr. Body]

Ausar went top 5 last year. Keegan Murray the year before that.

Not saying it's 1:1 and I'm still not 100% sold on Risacher but "3&D" wings that can't create definitely go in the top 5/10 tbh.

Ausar is a ball-handler with great defense, he's not the same template here. Murray was much more productive and well-rounded. Risacher, they're saying, can't even attack close-outs.

[Mr. Body]

Have a feeling Spurs will go with Topic #4 and Salaun #8

That would be like not having a draft at all.

[RC_Drunkford]

Castle isn't a PG, has subpar shooting ability, subpar playmaking ability, subpar athleticism, is slightly undersized for his position. I really don't get why everyone seems to have a hardon for the guy.

this is the time of the year where spurstalk falls in love with a guy who plays defense, but can't shoot. Happens every year. Last year it was Anthony Black.

[Bruno]

https://twitter.com/ryanhammer09/status/1790753269544882571

[The Truth #6]

Buzelis is particularly hard to predict for me. He seems affable, skilled. But he has a reputation for low motor that he is trying to convince people it isn't true. Maybe it's not true. But Castle, in contrast, feels like an adult already. Interviews/workouts will be crucial I imagine. He seems like a classic Spur in that he's skilled and not a head case. But I'm still hesitant.

[Mugen]

https://twitter.com/ryanhammer09/status/1790753269544882571

I thought this guy was already in the league? How many Toppin Bros are there tbh

[JPB]

Topic is gonna spend more time with NBA medical teams than on the court during his workouts. No one is burning a high pick on him without knowing the actual state of his knee. First out for 4 months, then out again after 2 weeks... Don't wish him bad, but when it starts like that, that not always ends well... Even in doubt, teams wiil pass, I believe.

[Eaglenole2002]

I thought this guy was already in the league? How many Toppin Bros are there tbh
He’s not related to the other Toppins somehow.

[rascal]

Topic is gonna spend more time with NBA medical teams than on the court during his workouts. No one is burning a high pick on him without knowing the actual state of his knee. First out for 4 months, then out again after 2 weeks... Don't wish him bad, but when it starts like that, that not always ends well... Even in doubt, teams wiil pass, I believe.

Hoping Wash takes him at 2 because the Spurs will be tempted to take him at 4 when they will likely still get him at 8.

[Mugen]

Topic is gonna spend more time with NBA medical teams than on the court during his workouts. No one is burning a high pick on him without knowing the actual state of his knee. First out for 4 months, then out again after 2 weeks... Don't wish him bad, but when it starts like that, that not always ends well... Even in doubt, teams wiil pass, I believe.

Topic was my guy heading into this draft (i think his shooting will come along) but this latest knee injury leaves me out on him tbh. Maybe if you trade down from 8 to late lottery but absolutely not top 10 given the major knee red flags.

[mo7888]

Topic was my guy heading into this draft (i think his shooting will come along) but this latest knee injury leaves me out on him tbh. Maybe if you trade down from 8 to late lottery but absolutely not top 10 given the major knee red flags.

That's where I'm at as well...

[Splits]

JFC Locked On Spurs has to be the worst Locked On I've ever heard. Jeff Garcia is a fucktard, he makes so many factual errors every episode. His takes are blander that vanilla. He repeats himself. He still doesn't know the Spurs have the CHA(14) pick next year. His guests are just as fucktarded as him. Today he had on Rudy Campos who gave his two Spurs picks as Topic & Dilly, said Knecht went to Tennessee for 4 years, and said Salaune could be the next Giannis. :lol He's like the hater of NBA analysis and predictions

I don't know why I waste my time with that manure.

[Atl Spur]

Only if you manage to have Silver remove the 3pt line.

Touché

[Atl Spur]

Who would be barlows comp in this draft? Could he be Sarr light?

[widowmaker]

Topic was my guy heading into this draft (i think his shooting will come along) but this latest knee injury leaves me out on him tbh. Maybe if you trade down from 8 to late lottery but absolutely not top 10 given the major knee red flags.


Save him for the 2nd round IF he is still there.

[scott]

That would be like not having a draft at all.

Yeah, if we are going to draft Topic and Salaun, I'd rather we just give up 4 and 8 for Herb Jones.

[Raven]

7 foot would be ELITE, not expected. Plus 3.5 is fine for a POA defender.

yes, and if we're projecting him as a defender, he HAS to be elite.

[scott]

Topic is gonna spend more time with NBA medical teams than on the court during his workouts. No one is burning a high pick on him without knowing the actual state of his knee. First out for 4 months, then out again after 2 weeks... Don't wish him bad, but when it starts like that, that not always ends well... Even in doubt, teams wiil pass, I believe.

And there were enough question marks around Topic's games even without these injuries. Seems like the team that drafts him in the top 10 is setting themselves up for Darko-like results.

[scott]

JFC Locked On Spurs has to be the worst Locked On I've ever heard. Jeff Garcia is a fucktard, he makes so many factual errors every episode. His takes are blander that vanilla. He repeats himself. He still doesn't know the Spurs have the CHA(14) pick next year. His guests are just as fucktarded as him. Today he had on Rudy Campos who gave his two Spurs picks as Topic & Dilly, said Knecht went to Tennessee for 4 years, and said Salaune could be the next Giannis. :lol He's like the hater of NBA analysis and predictions

I don't know why I waste my time with that manure.

Small Market Bias is the best Spurs podcast, IMO, but Matt Tynan is too busy or too lazy to do episodes on a regular cadence.

[LeBowen]

And there were enough question marks around Topic's games even without these injuries. Seems like the team that drafts him in the top 10 is setting themselves up for Darko-like results.

Every team in top10 is in such a bad situation that they simply can't risk picking a player with so many red flags.
I guess maybe the Rockets could do it since they're in a better spot than other teams. Grizzlies don't need another point guard.
I think he's going to be picked in #11-15 range.

[CorrectCrusader]

JFC Locked On Spurs has to be the worst Locked On I've ever heard. Jeff Garcia is a fucktard, he makes so many factual errors every episode. His takes are blander that vanilla. He repeats himself. He still doesn't know the Spurs have the CHA(14) pick next year. His guests are just as fucktarded as him. Today he had on Rudy Campos who gave his two Spurs picks as Topic & Dilly, said Knecht went to Tennessee for 4 years, and said Salaune could be the next Giannis. :lol He's like the hater of NBA analysis and predictions

I don't know why I waste my time with that manure.

Garcia is dumb as rocks

[longhornjosh21]

I haven't seen anyone mention it but Matas agent is Michael Tellem who's brother, Arn, is the vice chairman of the Pistons. Could mean absolutely nothing though

[CorrectCrusader]

I haven't seen anyone mention it but Matas agent is Michael Tellem who's brother, Arn, is the vice chairman of the Pistons. Could mean absolutely nothing though

That's why every mock that has Matas making it to 5 has Detroit taking him.

[TD 21]

If they go big/combo guard (Castle) or wing at 4, it'll be interesting to see what happens at 8 because I don't think they really want Dillingham or Topic, but value wise it'd be tough to pass at that point.


Well it’s happening so get ready :lol

For posterity's sake, I meant Claxton is likely to re-sign for 4/$80-100M with the Nets.

I could see the Spurs drafting one of Castle or Holland (probably the former), but not both.


I haven't seen anyone mention it but Matas agent is Michael Tellem who's brother, Arn, is the vice chairman of the Pistons. Could mean absolutely nothing though

Then you need to read more of my posts. :lmao

[pad300]

Topic was my guy heading into this draft (i think his shooting will come along) but this latest knee injury leaves me out on him tbh. Maybe if you trade down from 8 to late lottery but absolutely not top 10 given the major knee red flags.

I want the Spurs doctors to have a long and careful exam, but I'm not out unless they actually find a medical red flag. Until they find that flag, I figure he's still the best guard prospect in the draft.

[pad300]

...

I don't know why I waste my time with that manure.

I don't know why you waste your time either...

[kobyz]

One thing that will keep Topic stock high is the success of player like Jalen Branson

[objective]

JFC Locked On Spurs has to be the worst Locked On I've ever heard. Jeff Garcia is a fucktard, he makes so many factual errors every episode. His takes are blander that vanilla. He repeats himself. He still doesn't know the Spurs have the CHA(14) pick next year. His guests are just as fucktarded as him. Today he had on Rudy Campos who gave his two Spurs picks as Topic & Dilly, said Knecht went to Tennessee for 4 years, and said Salaune could be the next Giannis. :lol He's like the hater of NBA analysis and predictions

I don't know why I waste my time with that manure.

I think the Locked on NBA Draft Big Board podcast back q couple of weeks ago had one of their rotating hosts make the Giannis-Tidjaune comparison but only in the fashion of an relatively unknown pf sized euro who played hard and could theoretically become the best player of the draft while not being drafted top 10 if everything worked out. The host emphasized that he wasn't saying he was Giannis, just comparing this draft to 2013 and how Giannis slipped to outside the lottery.

I presume that's where LoS got it from.

Fwiw, I listen to quite a few Locked On podcasts, but never to Locked On Spurs. Locked on Hawks is worth a listen and does a lot of draft content that's decent

[PhantomDashCam]

Delete

[mudyez]

Locker on Spurs is borderline unlistenable. It feels like being 80% advertisement thus only listenable when being able to use the +30second button. Sometimes I try to find the interesting spots and nearly every time I'm underwelmed.

Small market Bias and SSPN it is!

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't know why you waste your time either...

Topic has literally zero in common with Brunson

[onechance87]

Topic has literally zero in common with Brunson

yea that was a odd comment lol

[Splits]

I think the Locked on NBA Draft Big Board podcast back q couple of weeks ago had one of their rotating hosts make the Giannis-Tidjaune comparison but only in the fashion of an relatively unknown pf sized euro who played hard and could theoretically become the best player of the draft while not being drafted top 10 if everything worked out. The host emphasized that he wasn't saying he was Giannis, just comparing this draft to 2013 and how Giannis slipped to outside the lottery.

I presume that's where LoS got it from.

Fwiw, I listen to quite a few Locked On podcasts, but never to Locked On Spurs. Locked on Hawks is worth a listen and does a lot of draft content that's decent

No, Campos wasn't saying he could be drafted mid-1st and be the best player in the draft, he was literally comparing them as players. "He's 6'10". He's a freak, he could turn into a Giannis type player" is what he said :lol

Maybe he got it there and didn't understand because he's the type of guy who looks up and down before crossing the road

[spurraider21]

Topic has literally zero in common with Brunson
kobyz is a shitpost/troll account. always has been. dont engage

[Mugen]

One thing that will keep Topic stock high is the success of player like Jalen Branson

Completely different players. Closest modern day comp to Topic is Ricky Rubio IMO.

[CorrectCrusader]

I haven't seen anyone mention it but Matas agent is Michael Tellem who's brother, Arn, is the vice chairman of the Pistons. Could mean absolutely nothing though

Honored to have witnessed your 7th post in 15 years btw

[pad300]

Topic has literally zero in common with Brunson

Don't quote at me - I didn't post that bullshit...

[024]

My initial thoughts:

1. Given the Spurs recent development track record, I don't know if I trust them drafting a raw prospect. Their young players didn't really improve this year and that's why the Spurs was still a bottom of the barrel team despite adding Wemby.

- Vassell: Improved last year but got injured. Managed to stay mostly health this year
- Johnson: Efficiency peaked 2 years ago and seemed to have declined since then
- Sochan: Didn't see much of an improvement year over year
- Branham: Somehow looks worse this year
- Welsey: Looks worse/didn't improve
- Tre Jones: Small improvements in efficiency

2. For the #4 pick, would not want to draft anyone who can't play defense or shoot the 3. Would go with Risacher, Williams, or Sheppard depending on who is available and how many guards/forwards are left for #8. Would probably pick a forward here unless the Spurs are very high on Sheppard and he's available.

3. Depending on the #4 pick (guard or forward), would draft the best prospect of the other position. Probably Castle, Knecht, Dillingham, or Topic. Pretty low on Dillingham now seeing how he'll be such a vulnerability on the defensive end in the NBA. Topic will have to prove himself during the draft workouts to climb back up into contention.

[Big Empty]

Hell we should try to trade the 4th pick to Portland for their 7th & 14th. We could snag Edey with the 14th if Presti doesnt grab him with the 12th. We could still land a solid pg with the 7th pick and there are plenty of quality roll players at 8 & 14 that could arguably go top 10. There is just no clear cut player that u know is gonna be an allstar.

[Mr. Body]

My initial thoughts:

1. Given the Spurs recent development track record, I don't know if I trust them drafting a raw prospect. Their young players didn't really improve this year and that's why the Spurs was still a bottom of the barrel team despite adding Wemby.

- Vassell: Improved last year but got injured. Managed to stay mostly health this year
- Johnson: Efficiency peaked 2 years ago and seemed to have declined since then
- Sochan: Didn't see much of an improvement year over year
- Branham: Somehow looks worse this year
- Welsey: Looks worse/didn't improve
- Tre Jones: Small improvements in efficiency

2. For the #4 pick, would not want to draft anyone who can't play defense or shoot the 3. Would go with Risacher, Williams, or Sheppard depending on who is available and how many guards/forwards are left for #8. Would probably pick a forward here unless the Spurs are very high on Sheppard and he's available.

3. Depending on the #4 pick (guard or forward), would draft the best prospect of the other position. Probably Castle, Knecht, Dillingham, or Topic. Pretty low on Dillingham now seeing how he'll be such a vulnerability on the defensive end in the NBA. Topic will have to prove himself during the draft workouts to climb back up into contention.

First of all, how long do you think it takes to develop raw players? Two of those guys were in their second fucking year. Jesus Christ.

Second, if you don't think Wesley and Branham were much different at the end of the year than they were at the beginning, I don't know what to tell you.

Spurs fans, man.

[benefactor]

Honored to have witnessed your 7th post in 15 years btw
I thought the same thing lol. That's impressive dedication in not posting, especially for this place.

[jjspur]

Drafting Topic and Buzelis (doesn't matter which order) is a recipe for disaster. Both still look somewhat raw and neither would make much of a difference for at least 2 years if that, given their backgrounds. Not a great strategy when you're trying to improve the team around Wemby. Do that and your best players drafted would be the 35th and 48th pick. That would really suck.

At minimum, in this draft stick with the safer picks and not reach. We really need to get at least 1 good player out of this draft - not someone who will towel wave for 2 years here or in Austin. We'll have plenty of picks next year. Same situation just better selection.

[Chinook]

I like Buzelis as the long-term PF who can hold down the bench position for a while. It seems like a player like him would be the answer to teams cross-guarding Wemby but without the same drawbacks that a guy like Edey would have.

I like Edey too but more in the scenario where the Spurs find themselves with a pick in the bottom third of the first round. Him playing with Wemby wouldn't be the main draw for me like it is for some people. I do think he could be the best backup center in the league and give the bench a focal point on offense. We don't know if he'd be bad in that role or not. As I said before, folks often mistake a player having weaknesses on D with them being a bad defender. Pau Gasol, even old, was a fantastic defender. So is Brook Lopez. Edey has the chance to be such a guy, and having 48 minutes of high-quality center play is worth a lot. Just not the fourth pick and honestly not the eighth either.

[Splits]

First of all, how long do you think it takes to develop raw players? Two of those guys were in their second fucking year. Jesus Christ.

Second, if you don't think Wesley and Branham were much different at the end of the year than they were at the beginning, I don't know what to tell you.

Spurs fans, man.

Yet you want to draft two more unknowable teenagers with clear weaknesses and keep rolling on this lottery train in perpetuity. Hell we can draft 4 more next year too!

[exstatic]

yes, and if we're projecting him as a defender, he HAS to be elite.

Lu Dort’s wingspan is 6’8.75”. He’s a pretty elite defender without a 7’ wingspan. Wingspan is only a tool. Plenty of guys with high plus ratings aren’t shit as defenders. Dejounte Murray is a fucking THIEF in the passing lanes with a 6’10” wingspan.

[exstatic]

I haven't seen anyone mention it but Matas agent is Michael Tellem who's brother, Arn, is the vice chairman of the Pistons. Could mean absolutely nothing though

:rollin The karma wheel turns slowly sometimes, but it always turns. Arn Tellem had a client who did what Marcus Morris did, but Arn was a willing accomplice, unlike Klutch. We had just lost Sean to kidney surgery n 1999, and no one knew if he could come back. We had a SF named LaMond Murray lined up during the dead period between 1 July and when the contracts could actually be signed, and you know the rest by the Morris reference.

Arn, it gives me great joy that your Pistons took it up the poop chute two years in a row by dropping from 1 to 5. Fuck you. :lol

[timtonymanu]

First of all, how long do you think it takes to develop raw players? Two of those guys were in their second fucking year. Jesus Christ.

Second, if you don't think Wesley and Branham were much different at the end of the year than they were at the beginning, I don't know what to tell you.

Spurs fans, man.

You were all in on Primo

Mr. Body takes, man.

[Raven]

Lu Dort’s wingspan is 6’8.75”. He’s a pretty elite defender without a 7’ wingspan. Wingspan is only a tool. Plenty of guys with high plus ratings aren’t shit as defenders. Dejounte Murray is a fucking THIEF in the passing lanes with a 6’10” wingspan.
neither is a shot blocker.

[024]

First of all, how long do you think it takes to develop raw players? Two of those guys were in their second fucking year. Jesus Christ.

Second, if you don't think Wesley and Branham were much different at the end of the year than they were at the beginning, I don't know what to tell you.

Spurs fans, man.
Wesley was the only raw prospect. Sochan to a lesser extent. Just look at the Thunder. SGA, Dort, Giddey, and Williams all made significant strides their second year. Not always common but the lack of development of the last few years of draft picks is not a great sign. Don't even want to mention Primo.

[exstatic]

neither is a shot blocker.

So what? You shouldn’t be looking for elite shot blocking from a GUARD. Are you fucking mental?

[Raven]

So what? You shouldn’t be looking for elite shot blocking from a GUARD. Are you fucking mental?

the argument is that his wingspan suggests he will not be a good defender because of it. Since he doesn't seem to be at the top in terms of leaping ability or quickness, i think it is safe to say the report should focus on how good of a feel for D and how clever he is on that front. Again, i'm just projecting him as a pick in terms on defensive potential. I think we can all agree, he doesn't have value as a scorer or playmaker early on.

[Kevin]

It’s not development but rather taking the wrong players. Wright is a mostly shitty drafter.

[Mr. Body]

You were all in on Primo

Mr. Body takes, man.

I wanted Sengun. Lmao on twerpy shit.

[Mr. Body]

Wesley was the only raw prospect. Sochan to a lesser extent. Just look at the Thunder. SGA, Dort, Giddey, and Williams all made significant strides their second year. Not always common but the lack of development of the last few years of draft picks is not a great sign. Don't even want to mention Primo.

We have no idea what Primo might have done with development although we're gong to hear about this shit from people like you until the end of our days. It's just a complete break down of mental capacity on your end.

And it takes time to develop nineteen year old in this league. I just know you're going to be bitching about whoever we draft this year, too.

[BatManu20]

Spurs taking Salaun 8th overall confirmed.

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[baseline bum]

Lu Dort’s wingspan is 6’8.75”. He’s a pretty elite defender without a 7’ wingspan. Wingspan is only a tool. Plenty of guys with high plus ratings aren’t shit as defenders. Dejounte Murray is a fucking THIEF in the passing lanes with a 6’10” wingspan.

As opposed to Branham's 6'10" wingspan :lol

Might be the worst defender in the league

[Mr. Body]

Spurs taking Salaun 8th overall confirmed.

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Givony is dumping Risacher for Salaun.

[rascal]

Topic- 4
Salaun-8

I can see the Spurs doing this. Being conservative as they are they won't take the chance that Topic falls to 8.

[scott]

Topic- 4
Salaun-8

I can see the Spurs doing this. Being conservative as they are they won't take the chance that Topic falls to 8.

Spurstalk servers aren't ready to deal with the meltdown that will follow

[TekXX]

In a draft full of potential ok roleplayers i wouldn't be mad if the Spurs swung for the fences and drafted someone like Salaun even if they strike out

[ambchang]

I like Salaun. Just not at 4 or 8. Don’t mind getting Dillingham or Sheppard at 4, then trading 8 or like a 14th pick and some future draft considerations to lane salaun if he’s still around.

[playblair]

ie ron holland character issues........he forcibly told texas to hire rodney terry or he would decomitt.......he decomitted days after terry was hired..........

[Twisted_Dawg]

Have a feeling Spurs will go with Topic #4 and Salaun #8

Then goodbye Wemby

[exstatic]

As opposed to Branham's 6'10" wingspan :lol

Might be the worst defender in the league

You’re making my point for me. Thanks. He’s arguing that a defender has to have a 7’ wingspan.

[Obstructed_View]

In a draft that so many people are saying is weak, I am unsure why anyone would be drafting for position or need. "Well, he isn't an NBA player, but he is a wing defender." "Well, he has a sketchy injury history, but he's a point guard with a long wingspan."

Jesus. The only thing you want out of this draft are guys who will help the team. That means guys who will stick in the league. Draft for upside. If you think a guy has potential to be a star, pick him. Who gives a shit how he fits on the team?

[Mr. Body]

In a draft that so many people are saying is weak, I am unsure why anyone would be drafting for position or need. "Well, he isn't an NBA player, but he is a wing defender." "Well, he has a sketchy injury history, but he's a point guard with a long wingspan."

Jesus. The only thing you want out of this draft are guys who will help the team. That means guys who will stick in the league. Draft for upside. If you think a guy has potential to be a star, pick him. Who gives a shit how he fits on the team?

Who in this draft has star potential?

[Splits]

In a draft that so many people are saying is weak, I am unsure why anyone would be drafting for position or need. "Well, he isn't an NBA player, but he is a wing defender." "Well, he has a sketchy injury history, but he's a point guard with a long wingspan."

Jesus. The only thing you want out of this draft are guys who will help the team. That means guys who will stick in the league. Draft for upside. If you think a guy has potential to be a star, pick him. Who gives a shit how he fits on the team?

Agree with this, and not just for a weak draft. You build talent through the draft, you build a team through trades and FA.

[024]

We have no idea what Primo might have done with development although we're gong to hear about this shit from people like you until the end of our days. It's just a complete break down of mental capacity on your end.

And it takes time to develop nineteen year old in this league. I just know you're going to be bitching about whoever we draft this year, too.

Thanks for the over the top response, digging in your heels for no reason, and ignoring the facts in my post. Classic.

[baseline bum]

You’re making my point for me. Thanks. He’s arguing that a defender has to have a 7’ wingspan.

Just shitting on Branham, how the hell can you have that wingspan and be the worst defender on at least the team? :lmao

[Mr. Body]

Thanks for the over the top response, digging in your heels for no reason, and ignoring the facts in my post. Classic.

What are the facts in your post.

[Obstructed_View]

Who in this draft has star potential?
That's what you came away from my comment with? Asking me for talent evaluation?

I'm unsure how to spell it out any more simply for you.

By most accounts from this message board, we have a young superstar, and his surrounding cast is utterly devoid of talent. Guys who have been in the league for one or two years, barely old enough to drink are a total loss. By that rationale, nobody in their right mind can think those guys can be replaced by new 19-year-olds unless they have tremendous upside and can show something right away.

Therefore, the only strategy is home run swings.