2024 NBA Draft Thread

[duncan2150]

He'd be a great 4 in the NBA. PFs are basically just larger SFs these days anyway. Kind of reminds me of Michael Porter Jr. with better instincts

I talked with a kind of french scout on twitter about this comparison, he sees Risacher with a big upside if he works on his handle, better defender and off ball player than MPJ for him but without the volume of shoot MPJ has.

[mo7888]

You don't think he's quick enough to guard the 3? He really seems like a 3 offensively.

In some lineups he can play the 3, but his best chance to hit his ceiling is at 4 imo

[mo7888]

I mean, we're all repeating the stock phrase that he's a good defender, but his metrics don't show this. Are we just repeating stuff we've heard or have people actually watched him?

I've watched him. I spend a good bit of time watching every prospect i consider for my board and try to avoid as much 'expert opinions' and advanced metrics until after I've watched myself... that's just how i do it.... but, understand that its still early and there's alot more to see and there are quite a few players i haven't seen yet. I've only really looked at about 40 guys so far

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
ESPN Sources: The NBA is still working on final sign-off from the Players Association, but the 2024 NBA Draft is preparing to move to two days – June 26 and 27 – in Brooklyn. Wednesday for the first-round picks and Thursday for the second-round.

[baseline bum]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
ESPN Sources: The NBA is still working on final sign-off from the Players Association, but the 2024 NBA Draft is preparing to move to two days – June 26 and 27 – in Brooklyn. Wednesday for the first-round picks and Thursday for the second-round.

Weird, I don't see the point of that.

[r0drig0lac]

i wish Risacher and Buzelis

[Mr. Body]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
ESPN Sources: The NBA is still working on final sign-off from the Players Association, but the 2024 NBA Draft is preparing to move to two days – June 26 and 27 – in Brooklyn. Wednesday for the first-round picks and Thursday for the second-round.

Man, Adam Silver is a font of terrible ideas. No one cares enough about the SR to tune in again. Why the eff are you forcing players who thought they'd go in the FR to wait for their fates?

[BatManu20]

Ratings for Day 2 of the Draft are going to be fucking terrible tbh :lol

[spurraider21]

i dont see the value in splitting it. this isnt the NFL draft

[Spurminator]

Day 2 of the NBA draft will still get better ratings than June baseball.

[CorrectCrusader]

I've watched him. I spend a good bit of time watching every prospect i consider for my board and try to avoid as much 'expert opinions' and advanced metrics until after I've watched myself... that's just how i do it.... but, understand that its still early and there's alot more to see and there are quite a few players i haven't seen yet. I've only really looked at about 40 guys so far

Do you know where to get college film?
Or is it not available like a lot of college football film

[exstatic]

Weird, I don't see the point of that.

They have to be like the NFL, apparently.

[BatManu20]

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[mo7888]

Do you know where to get college film?
Or is it not available like a lot of college football film

I don't. I just search for it online like the rest of us. I probably have more time in my day to spend watching it tham most, but i have no special resources here.

[BatManu20]

6’3 SG who’s been filling it up lately. Shooting 44% from 3 on 7 attempts/per. Impressive. Turns 20 next month.

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[Mr. Body]

Despite some questions to this draft, there are some sweet shooting numbers so far.

[Seventyniner]

Day 2 of the NBA draft will still get better ratings than June baseball.

Wasn't there talk recently about adding a third round to the draft? That would put 60 picks on day 2 (rounds 2 and 3), enough to fill a decently long TV special.

That would also be a good reason to split it up; 90 picks in one night is too much for the NBA.

Though adding a third round would probably require some changes to how the G-League works, to give teams more control over those rosters too.

[RC_Drunkford]

Was your belief that doncic would be great based on the amazing basket ball dna of the Slovenian people?

he played next to All-Star Dragic at Eurobasket and was the best player on the floor by miles. That was an easy call, but fat americans thought it won't translate because he can't jump as high as Shaedon Sharpe

[CGD]

Modern NBA offense SF and PF basically do the same things. See Boston for ex.

I agree. In todays game you probably want two 6'9" guys at what was once the the "3" and the "4". One has to be able to guard the SF though, and one/both need to be able to space. I think this guy or Matas (with the later pick) fit the mold quite well, and would be good complements to Sochan. Add to that Wemby who over time will probably quarterback the offense from the post ala Joker and Embiid, and damn that is an interesting front court.

[spurraider21]

he played next to All-Star Dragic at Eurobasket and was the best player on the floor by miles. That was an easy call, but fat americans thought it won't translate because he can't jump as high as Shaedon Sharpe
thats fine. that was your evaluation of the player based on what you saw him do, not something abstract like "pluck any old guy off the street in slovenia and he's going to be a great playmaker"

[tonight...you]

he played next to All-Star Dragic at Eurobasket and was the best player on the floor by miles. That was an easy call, but fat americans thought it won't translate because he can't jump as high as Shaedon Sharpe
What were the skinny Americans thinking?

[CGD]

Weird, I don't see the point of that.

It's brilliant. We are so "trade deal" obsessed these days, and there is always so much movement in 2nd round to the point its hard to keep up. Not to mention its a way to remind fans of prior deals that netted a particular pick -- we get 4 chances to be reminded of the Richardson deal!!

[RC_Drunkford]

thats fine. that was your evaluation of the player based on what you saw him do, not something abstract like "pluck any old guy off the street in slovenia and he's going to be a great playmaker"

have you ever been to Serbia? Every Serb is a good shooter. I'm not saying they genetically superior, I'm saying it's the main culprit of their basketball culture. That means you learn how to shoot at a young age and everybody will teach you the proper shooting form. They lights out shooters, which is why I'm not worried about Topic's jumper. He shoots 85% from the FT line and 52% from 2. It's not like he's one of these high school kids with a broken shooting form.

[RC_Drunkford]

What were the skinny Americans thinking?

I need a burger with fries

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1745493917963825250

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1745461038722801910

He looks better than last year, same minutes but 17 pts vs 15.4, 1.9 blocks vs 0.7, 2.9 assists vs 1.6, 53 % shooting vs 44 ( 37% for 3 vs 28% with 3attempts per game). Rebounds still the same with nearly 9 per game, steal also with 1.3.

[tonight...you]

I need a burger with fries
So they liked Doncic...

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1745461038722801910

He looks better than last year, same minutes but 17 pts vs 15.4, 1.9 blocks vs 0.7, 2.9 assists vs 1.6, 53 % shooting vs 44 ( 37% for 3 vs 28% with 3attempts per game). Rebounds still the same with nearly 9 per game, steal also with 1.3.

I was surprised how much I liked Filipowski against Pittsburgh. I didn't like him last year too much, but he's impressing me now. He has legitimate size and has good skills and smarts. I can see him do the good things a Collin does but with more bulk -- hit threes, take some post moves -- while being a high post hub like Poeltl was. He doesn't block shots like Poeltl, of course, but still gets to a couple a game and he's not really that slow on the perimeter. Not fast, exactly, but not embarrassing. Maybe this kind of player just doesn't fit next to Wemby, but I'm interested.

[DAF86]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1745493917963825250

Defenses giving him 10 feet of space to shoot. :lol Sorry, but that would be a hard pass for me, tbh.

[CorrectCrusader]

What were the skinny Americans thinking?

What skinny americans?

[tonight...you]

What skinny americans?
:lol
Damn

[scott]

I was out last night and NC-NC State was on the television. This guy caught my eye: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4396933/dj-burns-jr

DJ Burns, PF. Listed at 6'9" 275lbs, but in reality probably closer to 310. Could be a nice mid-round LT prospect for the Cowboys.

[onechance87]

Defenses giving him 10 feet of space to shoot. :lol Sorry, but that would be a hard pass for me, tbh.

would be a upgrade over tre and branham with his defence and rebounding alone

[BackHome]

would be a upgrade over tre and branham with his defence and rebounding alone

If you want defense then just draft Dunn who is the better defender

[onechance87]

If you want defense then just draft Dunn who is the better defender

he can be a option....But rather have a guard who can make plays

[heyheymymy]

Man when it rains it pours:

Isaiah Collier out 4-6 weeks with hand injury

Dropping value like NSJ last year

[CorrectCrusader]

Man when it rains it pours:

Isaiah Collier out 4-6 weeks with hand injury

Dropping value like NSJ last year

That sucks a ton.

[Mr. Body]

Man when it rains it pours:

Isaiah Collier out 4-6 weeks with hand injury

Dropping value like NSJ last year

I would take NSJ anyday over Collier. Smith was undersized and struggled to get his shot, but was a warrior. Collier barely has anything to recommend him. This vastly reduces the chance he rescusitates his value, but I doubt that would happen anyway.

[heyheymymy]

Hard sell on Collier, he just hasn't been what his hype suggested

Wonder if the "hand injury" is a way to put this tough start and frankly bad play under wraps to shield his draft stock.

Agreed on NSJ, he's had flashes in a modest way at Charlotte. Just reminded me of NSJ's draft journey a bit with injuries and plummeting in mocks. Both hovered top 5 before falling

[onechance87]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1745461038722801910

He looks better than last year, same minutes but 17 pts vs 15.4, 1.9 blocks vs 0.7, 2.9 assists vs 1.6, 53 % shooting vs 44 ( 37% for 3 vs 28% with 3attempts per game). Rebounds still the same with nearly 9 per game, steal also with 1.3.

seems like what zach collins does...How is his defence

[heyheymymy]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/39290041/usc-guard-isaiah-collier-miss-4-6-weeks-hand-injury

USC star guard Isaiah Collier, a projected NBA lottery pick, will miss the next four to six weeks with a hand injury, the school announced Thursday night.

Collier was injured in Wednesday's loss to Washington State.

[Mr. Body]

Hard sell on Collier, he just hasn't been what his hype suggested

Wonder if the "hand injury" is a way to put this tough start and frankly bad play under wraps to shield his draft stock.

Agreed on NSJ, he's had flashes in a modest way at Charlotte. Just reminded me of NSJ's draft journey a bit with injuries and plummeting in mocks. Both hovered top 5 before falling

Oh your point was totally clear!

It's amazing how wrong high school rankings are year over year. This was my point early in the season -- there's no sense in putting together mock drafts when these rankings are just pure shit. Isaiah Collier number 1, then down the list you see name after name of guys who aren't putting a stamp on the college game or Ignite at all.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2023

Yet some of these guys will get drafted because of their 'high school promise' when the case was they just got overrated by these shitty ratings 'experts.'

[heyheymymy]

Kinda sucks Collier might drop in esteem too because it's a draft where SA might go for a PG

and so Collier could've been a decoy pick some terrible GM might go for as an undisciplined impulse pick to help leave more of an assortment to choose from for Spurs.

[Pauleta14]

Not sure if it's been said, but Risacher's father was a pro baller for France and PSG, a big name.

It means Zaccharie has probabaly a high bb IQ and top work ethic and entourage already (like Wemby)

Two massive factors is projecting what type of pro prospects might become imo

Spurs material 100%

[baseline bum]

I was out last night and NC-NC State was on the television. This guy caught my eye: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4396933/dj-burns-jr

DJ Burns, PF. Listed at 6'9" 275lbs, but in reality probably closer to 310. Could be a nice mid-round LT prospect for the Cowboys.

IDK, I like Connor Williams outta St John Fisher at point forward myself

[BackHome]

One thing about this draft is the more then any other draft players who do well during March madness will see there draft skyrocket and those that do nothing will see it tumble.

[mo7888]

One thing about this draft is the more then any other draft players who do well during March madness will see there draft skyrocket and those that do nothing will see it tumble.

That could be true, it could also be that individual workouts move a player more than in the past too because of this drafts weakness.

[baseline bum]

After seeing how bad Scoot and the Thompson twins have looked it makes me want to avoid guys like Topic, Holland, and Buzelis who are making their bones in terrible leagues. Though at least Topic should have two months playing in Euroleague when he comes back from injury to make his case. Can't say his first Euroleague game before getting hurt was inspiring though.

[RC_Drunkford]

Dillingham and Risacher are definitely my top 2 targets with Topic being the alternative

[baseline bum]

Dillingham and Risacher are definitely my top 2 targets with Topic being the alternative

God I'll be pissed if the Spurs are on the clock with Dillingham still available and Primo it like they did with Sengun. Only guys I'd consider ahead of Dilly right now are Sarr and Risacher and if Sarr is on the board I want them to trade him to someone for a quality vet.

[DAF86]

would be a upgrade over tre and branham with his defence and rebounding alone

But we don't need just an upgrade over Trae and Branham, we need a star PG that opossing defenses don't sag off from, and this guy just isn't it.

[onechance87]

But we don't need just an upgrade over Trae and Branham, we need a star PG that opossing defenses don't sag off from, and this guy just isn't it.

So far there aint no stars in this draft yet bro....So far just a bunch of real good role players...Gonna have to see
who we think fits or has the potential to be future star.

[DAF86]

So far there aint no stars in this draft yet bro....So far just a bunch of real good role players...Gonna have to see
who we think fits or has the potential to be future star.

That's why most of us want a guy like Dillingham, who has a higher offensive ceiling. That's the kind of skillset we need. Not yet another perimeter player with a broken jumper.

[BackHome]

I still like Castle but like some of these players I want to see how they play against good teams as they are definitely levels in the college divisions.

[The Truth #6]

Castle may lack athleticism. If so, that's a mild concern for me. For Rascal, could be a deal breaker. A betrayal, really.

[rascal]

Castle may lack athleticism. If so, that's a mild concern for me. For Rascal, could be a deal breaker. A betrayal, really.

Castle looks athletic to me.

Castle has the ability to take it to the basket and make an acrobatic shot around a defender and cut to the basket off ball and dunk a lob pass. I haven't seen Topic cut to the basket and catch and dunk a lob pass.

Castle has athleticism. Castle also puts effort and the work on defense and plays with passion and fire in his game.
Not afraid to dive for a loose ball on the floor and is a solid rebounder and can get up and even block shots.

Castle looks athletic to me and is who I want at pg.

Castle is shooting poorly from 3 across 10 games and needs to improve there. But he hasn't taken a lot of 3 pt shots. Numbers should come up with more court time.
His FG% is high so he has an offensive game.

[BackHome]

One thing that I like about Castle is that he plays with a chip on his shoulders he kind of reminds me of Murray a little bit. He is one of those players if during March Madness puts together a couple of good games and hits a few 3 balls he could easily go in the top 5 in this draft.

[DAF86]

I don't know why so many Spurstalkers have such a hardon for PGs that can't shoot. I get it, we won our 5 with PGs that can't shoot, but this is a different era, tbh. :lol

[CorrectCrusader]

If the spurs went Sheppard that'd be kinda sick tbh.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orGeGHh929I

[spurraider21]

would be a hell of an outcome to land risacher and dillingham

[Mr. Body]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orGeGHh929I

Zacch and Dillingham would be nailing it, imo, especially for this draft.

[spurraider21]

Zacch and Dillingham would be nailing it, imo, especially for this draft.
especially after acquiring Reaves to be the bench combo guard.. chefs kiss

[Mr. Body]

I have questions about Dillingham and it's strange that he and Reed come off the bench. I suppose Cal gets so many 5-star recruits he has to do something. Reed's adv metrics are absurd but I continue to have doubts. Also saw that Cal subbed him out for defense against TAMU down the stretch. I keep seeing Mark Price in him, which ain't a bad thing.

Both these guys are playing against opposing benches, although that gets mixed up late in games. Dillingham was somewhat quiet before nailing three bombs to help force overtime. I'm unsure about his height/stature, his high usage rate, and defense. A couple times he got blown by, although he works hard there. For usage, he's around 30%, can he scale down?

Dill has exceptional handles and is shifty as fuck. He does need to dribble into his moves, but think that can be worked out. I'm keeping him as a high-level interest/priority in this draft. You want FRPs to have exceptional skills in a couple of categories and his ball handling and scoring are there.

Link compares him to other Kentucky guards of similar size - De'Aaron Fox, Tyrese Maxey, Immanuel Quickly, Cason Wallace. Pretty interesting.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=rob-dillingham--de-aaron-fox--tyrese-maxey--immanuel-quickley--cason-wallace

[Mr. Body]

And... Tidjane Salaun is super intriguing. He was wavering later in the draft and he's really rising now. Bigger and probably stronger than Risacher and probably more raw but he's intriguing as hell. Not a lot out there on him yet, but big powerful, can shoot, still learning how to play a bit.

[BackHome]

To me Salaun is a PF he looks a lot taller I am thinking easily 6'10 I just did a mock on Tankathon and came away with Risacher with our first pick and Salaun with Raptors pick. I think Risacher gives you someone who has the potential to be your starting SF as Keldon is cool with being the 6th man and Salaun adds depth and could battle for minutes with Sochan his second year.

[mo7888]

And... Tidjane Salaun is super intriguing. He was wavering later in the draft and he's really rising now. Bigger and probably stronger than Risacher and probably more raw but he's intriguing as hell. Not a lot out there on him yet, but big powerful, can shoot, still learning how to play a bit.

Probably the most upside in the draft... tons to work with, but oh so raw.. to me the risk is worth it more in this particular draft..

[mo7888]

To me Salaun is a PF he looks a lot taller I am thinking easily 6'10 I just did a mock on Tankathon and came away with Risacher with our first pick and Salaun with Raptors pick. I think Risacher gives you someone who has the potential to be your starting SF as Keldon is cool with being the 6th man and Salaun adds depth and could battle for minutes with Sochan his second year.

I really think Risacher and Salaun are both PF's, but if Sochan is part the future he can cover the sf position in unfavorable matchups.

[Ditty]

Would love Topic and Salaun with our picks.

[rascal]

I don't know why so many Spurstalkers have such a hardon for PGs that can't shoot. I get it, we won our 5 with PGs that can't shoot, but this is a different era, tbh. :lol

Castle will be great. The Spurs can find shooters at Sg and SF.

[Mr. Body]

Right now my strategy woud probably be to tag a lead guard with the first pick then a wing with the TOR pick if it conveys, and I think I rate Dillingham above Topic right now, although if his ability to break down the defense is real, the prospect of infinite lobs is tasty. As said, I'm uncertain about Sheppard Reed, although he's a player I think will be effective, I'm out on Collier, and I'm keeping an eye on Castle - if he's not a top pick right now.

For wings, I have no idea why people are freaking out about Cody Williams, but haven't seen him play. Risacher and Salaun top the list. I'm actually pretty interested in Filipowski, obviously not a wing. The Ignite guys are floundering but we'll see.

So...

Something like Dilly/Salaun or Topic/Buzelis. Dunno. If Dillingham continues to stay later in the lottery, then Risacher/Dilly sort of thing. Anyway, I think this draft has some nice players in this range. If there's a draft to have these sorts of picks, this is it.

[DAF86]

Right now my strategy woud probably be to tag a lead guard with the first pick then a wing with the TOR pick if it conveys, and I think I rate Dillingham above Topic right now, although if his ability to break down the defense is real, the prospect of infinite lobs is tasty. As said, I'm uncertain about Sheppard Reed, although he's a player I think will be effective, I'm out on Collier, and I'm keeping an eye on Castle - if he's not a top pick right now.

For wings, I have no idea why people are freaking out about Cody Williams, but haven't seen him play. Risacher and Salaun top the list. I'm actually pretty interested in Filipowski, obviously not a wing. The Ignite guys are floundering but we'll see.

So...

Something like Dilly/Salaun or Topic/Buzelis. Dunno. If Dillingham continues to stay later in the lottery, then Risacher/Dilly sort of thing. Anyway, I think this draft has some nice players in this range. If there's a draft to have these sorts of picks, this is it.

Never heard of Salaun untill you brought it up, so I started doing some research:

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I have to keep seeing a bit more but, man, he might be my favourite new target. Can you imagine a front court of this guy and Wemby?

[DAF86]

More of Salaun:

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Might as well draft both Risacher and Salaun and form an all French front court.

[scott]

Was excited about Salaun the way you guys were talking about him… but that last video says he is averaging 8/3 on 42% FG in 22 mpg? Have his numbers done up from this video, because that certainly doesn’t inspire me (and I know we are supposed to be looking at potential, not necessarily just production… but sheesh)

[Mr. Body]

Was excited about Salaun the way you guys were talking about him… but that last video says he is averaging 8/3 on 42% FG in 22 mpg? Have his numbers done up from this video, because that certainly doesn’t inspire me (and I know we are supposed to be looking at potential, not necessarily just production… but sheesh)

He's 100% a work in progress. He does shoot .381 from three at 3.6 attempts a game. Here's his stats:

https://www.tankathon.com/players/tidjane-salaun

Nothing to set the world on fire. You're drafting him on potential and the eye test for a guy who will still be 18 on draft night look pretty attractive if you believe in his growth.

Here's him compared to Risacher.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=zaccharie-risacher--tidjane-salaun

Risacher is definitely the better player right now but they're not too far off. Lots of questions for both, tbh, from defense to rebounding and whether their shooting can be sustained.

[onechance87]

Why yall not mentioning holland....Dont yall think he would pair up nicely with wemby

[BackHome]

I really think Risacher and Salaun are both PF's, but if Sochan is part the future he can cover the sf position in unfavorable matchups.

I was going to ask that question if people think Risacher is a SF or PF to me maybe a hybrid SF/PF while Salaun is a PF - The only player I think is a legit SF would be Cody Williams and maybe Buzelis, but I think Cody has more wiggle in his game and he has better handles, court vision, and ball IQ then the above players. It's going to be interesting to see who the Spurs pick as I think they can go in several directions

As far as Holland I think people have not been happy with results from previous draft from Ignite players and while I do see that Holland has hoops I just don't know if he is worth the pick. He probably has one of the higher potential but also has a very low floor meaning if he doesn't improve his shooting, court vision, handles, he will definitely be a bust if picked in top 7. The other issue is he is getting by with a lot of athleticism right now but I don't know if he can do that in the NBA and I am pretty sure he is 6'6 and not 6'8

[exstatic]

Why yall not mentioning holland....Dont yall think he would pair up nicely with wemby

He’s shooting 21% from 3, and there isn’t a really strong shooting signal with his 71% FTs. I’m just kind of done with the Ignite experiment. Overtime Elite, too.

[onechance87]

He’s shooting 21% from 3, and there isn’t a really strong shooting signal with his 71% FTs. I’m just kind of done with the Ignite experiment. Overtime Elite, too.

but can you imagine the pick and roll action between them

[DAF86]

but can you imagine the pick and roll action between them

What pick and roll action? Holland isn't seen as some kind of pick and roll maestro, he isn't know for his passing and his pullup game sucks. What hints are there to suggest he would be a good pick and roll partner for Wemby?

[duncan2150]

Was excited about Salaun the way you guys were talking about him… but that last video says he is averaging 8/3 on 42% FG in 22 mpg? Have his numbers done up from this video, because that certainly doesn’t inspire me (and I know we are supposed to be looking at potential, not necessarily just production… but sheesh)

Averaging 8 pts per game in french league for a 18 years old player is not that common, he is a kid who is progressing well. i did not saw him play since this year but his name his well knowed here in France, plus he's a hard worker.

I don't know where i will draft him but he is a name to watch.

[duncan2150]

Why yall not mentioning holland....Dont yall think he would pair up nicely with wemby

i talked about him a few weeks ago, he's one of the best prospects in this draft . First pick if his shoot improves imo.

[RC_Drunkford]

Never heard of Salaun untill you brought it up, so I started doing some research:

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7mwjRAFbrSE?si=4TSYBUZ6q1lUrZlA

I have to keep seeing a bit more but, man, he might be my favourite new target. Can you imagine a front court of this guy and Wemby?

interesting prospect, especially cause he plays Champions League. His performances there will most likely be the main factor of his draft stock.

[TimmehC]

You can pretty much be guaranteed that every young French player worth a shit is on SA's radar. This new generation of kids they have coming up is insanely stacked from a natural talent pov, plus they should feel right at home with Victor and vice versa. So if any of them display enough IQ and work ethic to actually turn that talent into a viable NBA career, the Spurs will be all over them. I wouldn't be surprised if they take some combination of Sarr, Risacher, and/or Salaun and look elsewhere to fill the lead playmaker vacancy. Hell, I could even see another clean sweep for Frenchies with Dadiet or Ajinca in the 2nd round tbh (they're definitely selling one of those picks).

[venitian navigator]

You can pretty much be guaranteed that every young French player worth a shit is on SA's radar. This new generation of kids they have coming up is insanely stacked from a natural talent pov, plus they should feel right at home with Victor and vice versa. So if any of them display enough IQ and work ethic to actually turn that talent into a viable NBA career, the Spurs will be all over them. I wouldn't be surprised if they take some combination of Sarr, Risacher, and/or Salaun and look elsewhere to fill the lead playmaker vacancy. Hell, I could even see another clean sweep for Frenchies with Dadiet or Ajinca in the 2nd round tbh (they're definitely selling one of those picks).

Agree... And don't sleep on Canadians too (as they usually can speak French)...

[Rocalcio]

This team will soon be called « Les Saint Antoine Éperons » :lol

[venitian navigator]

This team will soon be called « Les Saint Antoine Éperons » :lol

Not necessarily but it's a point that players like Sarr, Risacher, Salaun, Didiet, Ajinca, Edey are a bunch of French speaking players worth consideration, for different reasons, in this draft...

[CGD]

Why yall not mentioning holland....Dont yall think he would pair up nicely with wemby

I like him if he’s there with the TOR pick. Doesn’t it feel like he will end up in Memphis tho? classic high motor, hustle guy that fits the Griz mold.

[Brazil]

Never heard of Salaun untill you brought it up, so I started doing some research:

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I have to keep seeing a bit more but, man, he might be my favourite new target. Can you imagine a front court of this guy and Wemby?

Dat FNT is going to be scary good in a couple of years tbh... For now Salun potential is still to be figured out but I would say it was a bit the same for Bilal at this time of the year last year, I think he is going to climb the draft ladder during the year.:hungry:

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/NoCeilingsNBA/status/1747367440181232023

https://twitter.com/Barlowe500/status/1747365956035183028

[mo7888]

https://twitter.com/NoCeilingsNBA/status/1747367440181232023

https://twitter.com/Barlowe500/status/1747365956035183028

I like him and would be surprised if there are 5 players better than him in this draft.

[Mr. Body]

A near catastropic decision to go Ignite for Buzelis instead of a college program where he'd actually get coaching, good facilities, and be able to develop. He'll probably recover some of his draft stock but what a poor choice.

[spurraider21]

the arc of salaun's shot looks cartoonishly high :lol

[onechance87]

https://twitter.com/NoCeilingsNBA/status/1747367440181232023

https://twitter.com/Barlowe500/status/1747365956035183028

Lets see if he can be consistent and also play like this the next few games

[SpursBills]

Does anyone have a decent comp for Stephon Castle? I don't know what to make of this guy. I think I've got a semi-decent handle on upside comps for guys like Topic (SGA/ Jeremy Lin), Dillingham (slightly worse Fox), and Sheppard (small Lonzo ball).

I have no idea what to make of Castle. Good size, good defense, 6'6" guy with 7 foot wingspan, athletic guy who gets to the line a ton but can't shoot at all. Numbers suggest more secondary creation potential than primary playmaker. Is this guy basically a smaller Jimmy Butler as his upside comp?

[Dejounte]

Does anyone have a decent comp for Stephon Castle? I don't know what to make of this guy. I think I've got a semi-decent handle on upside comps for guys like Topic (SGA/ Jeremy Lin), Dillingham (slightly worse Fox), and Sheppard (small Lonzo ball).

I have no idea what to make of Castle. Good size, good defense, 6'6" guy with 7 foot wingspan, athletic guy who gets to the line a ton but can't shoot at all. Numbers suggest more secondary creation potential than primary playmaker. Is this guy basically a smaller Jimmy Butler as his upside comp?

Anthony Black, Derrick White With Less Fundamentals, Less Flashy Dyson Daniels, Shorter Sochan With Slightly Better Handles

[mo7888]

Anthony Black, Derrick White With Less Fundamentals, Less Flashy Dyson Daniels, Shorter Sochan With Slightly Better Handles

That was brutal :lol

[spurraider21]

buzelis was always talented. he was #1 in a lot of those "way too early" mock drafts. it just looks like Ignite is a poor development program at this point, so you're just betting on the talent and the ability of your staff/program to get him caught up

ignite players have just looked very unprepared after getting to the league. jalen green is the only one who somewhat hit the floor running.

[Mr. Body]

Dyson Daniels feels like a good comp to Castle at this point. Good rebounding combo guards with size and both fairly good defenders and bad shooters.

This draft was supposed to be strong with PGs but Collier and Castle haven't set the world on fire.

[Mr. Body]

buzelis was always talented. he was #1 in a lot of those "way too early" mock drafts. it just looks like Ignite is a poor development program at this point, so you're just betting on the talent and the ability of your staff/program to get him caught up

ignite players have just looked very unprepared after getting to the league. jalen green is the only one who somewhat hit the floor running.

Not only is Jalen Green horribly inefficient, he's getting worse year after year and struggles playing in the concepts Houston wants to run. He's not a good player.

[onechance87]

if castlle could improve his shooting.....He would be the number 1 pg

[spurraider21]

Not only is Jalen Green horribly inefficient, he's getting worse year after year and struggles playing in the concepts Houston wants to run. He's not a good player.
im not in love with his trajectory either. just speaking to nba readiness.

[DAF86]

Dyson Daniels feels like a good comp to Castle at this point. Good rebounding combo guards with size and both fairly good defenders and bad shooters.

This draft was supposed to be strong with PGs but Collier and Castle haven't set the world on fire.

Just our luck. When we were stacked with guards, we didn't have no choice but to keep drafting combo guards because that was all there was. Now that we really need one, the options are scarce.

Oh, what I wouldn't give to draft another Derrick White, tbh.

[Mr. Body]

Just our luck. When we were stacked with guards, we didn't have no choice but to keep drafting combo guards because that was all there was. Now that we really need one, the options are scarce.

Oh, what I wouldn't give to draft another Derrick White, tbh.

Well, I don't know. It happens. Last year there was a lot of unexpected movement. Collier and Castle may have dropped some, but then we have Topic, Reed, and Dillingham instead.

[rascal]

Well, I don't know. It happens. Last year there was a lot of unexpected movement. Collier and Castle may have dropped some, but then we have Topic, Reed, and Dillingham instead.

Topic isn't that much of a better shooter than Castle. Castle hasn't shot that many 3 pt shots. Got off to a poor start but only has 15 shots, hitting only 3 of them. Topic isn't much better across 75 shots.

[Mr. Body]

Topic isn't that much of a better shooter than Castle. Castle hasn't shot that many 3 pt shots. Got off to a poor start but only has 15 shots, hitting only 3 of them. Topic isn't much better across 75 shots.

I never said he was a good shooter. He is, however, a point guard.

[Kurik]

Even if the Spurs select a PG in the top 10, they should draft 1 PG in the second round every year for the next 3-4 drafts until they hit on someone serviceable as a backup or if extremely lucky hit a jackpot.

[rankingtear]

Scratch Cody , Buzelis should be a near perfect fit as the 3 in this roster that guy is legit huge and can function as a secondary rim protector with Sochan at the POA.

[R. DeMurre]

It's really hard to evaluate players on G League Ignite... flashy numbers are nice, but as a team they're 0-9 with a -14.4 point differential. They're getting slaughtered on the regular by G leaguers. Big numbers with mediocre efficiency on big time losing teams are really difficult to unravel.

[DAF86]

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I know this is old and it's not exactly "winning basketball", but how entertaining it would be having a guy with this style of play in the team, tbh. :lol

[Rocalcio]

Dat FNT is going to be scary good in a couple of years tbh... For now Salun potential is still to be figured out but I would say it was a bit the same for Bilal at this time of the year last year, I think he is going to climb the draft ladder during the year.:hungry:

Coulibaly wasn’t expected that high in the draft, we were afraid it would be too much pressure on him and he would match the expectations, but he’s doing well so far.

[venitian navigator]

Frankly I've never seen so much changes in the draft positons of players like in this 2024 mocks...actually my undertanding is that there could be good talent at any point of the draft (expecially about bigs...for example Clingan and Edey are projected in some mocks in the lottery, in others as 2 rounders in the late fourties). Considering we're probably going to draft four picks (2 early firsts and two early seconds) I believe there wil be a lot of work to do for our FO and expecially for our scouting department...starting from now, considering that the value of an early second could usefully be attached to some of our players/veterans , in case we really like this draft or some specific player, for trading for some more first round picks...

[mo7888]

Frankly I've never seen so much changes in the draft positons of players like in this 2024 mocks...actually my undertanding is that there could be good talent at any point of the draft (expecially about bigs...for example Clingan and Edey are projected in some mocks in the lottery, in others as 2 rounders in the late fourties). Considering we're probably going to draft four picks (2 early firsts and two early seconds) I believe there wil be a lot of work to do for our FO and expecially for our scouting department...starting from now, considering that the value of an early second could usefully be attached to some of our players/veterans , in case we really like this draft or some specific player, for trading for some more first round picks...

I agree with the sentiment. I don't think there's anyway we use all 4 picks though.

[RC_Drunkford]

Scratch Cody , Buzelis should be a near perfect fit as the 3 in this roster that guy is legit huge and can function as a secondary rim protector with Sochan at the POA.

I prefer Risacher for that role a lot more. Knockdown shooter with good defense. Anything else he adds to his game will just elevate his ceiling.

[Bruno]

https://twitter.com/BasketNews_com/status/1747699612108886314

[Bruno]

Risacher had a great game with 22 points in 21 minutes in front of Holt.
Another noteworthy tidbit about Risacher is that he knows very well Wembanyama since they were teammates in 2021-22.

[duncan2150]

Risacher had a great game with 22 points in 21 minutes in front of Holt.
Another noteworthy tidbit about Risacher is that he knows very well Wembanyama since they were teammates in 2021-22.

https://twitter.com/Basket_Infos/status/1747725722494374267

[spurraider21]

looks nice

one noticeable thing he can do to make himself an even better shooting weapon is to speed it up just a little bit. on the 2 clips starting at 0:52 or so, he should catch and hop in the same motion, so he can go right up with it. rather than catch, hop and gather, then go up and shoot. shaving his release time by even that amount could be the difference between getting and not getting some shots off

seeing him take a handoff while curling and shooting from deep smoothly is really good stuff.

ive generally read good things about his defense, but definitely want to take a deeper dive into that

[scott]

Can some of our European posters enlighten us on the difference between EuroCup vs EuroLeague? Is it like a Europa League vs Champions League kind of thing?

[BatManu20]

Yea Risacher has definitely cemented himself as a top-3 pick in this draft imo. Projects as a really nice 3&D weapon at the next level with his length and shooting ability. #2 overall sounds about right for him as of right now.

Topic hurting his knee sucks obviously. Wanted to see a lot more of him and now it looks like he's out for 6 weeks. Big bummer.

Sarr is still the favorite to go #1 based on ceiling alone. He's banged up too right now with a hip injury, but I think he ends up going 1 when it's all said and done given his defensive upside and due to it being a weaker class.

Cody Williams is the other guy who seems to be moving up boards right now. Younger brother of OKC's Jalen Williams of course. He looks like another solid 3&D guy who could sneak into the top-5 or 6 of the draft if he continues to play well.

[Mr. Body]

Three rebounds? Lol, I'm gonna be like RC to Luis Scola. You got to get those numbers up bro.

[Mr. Body]

Yea Risacher has definitely cemented himself as a top-3 pick in this draft imo. Projects as a really nice 3&D weapon at the next level with his length and shooting ability. #2 overall sounds about right for him as of right now.

Topic hurting his knee sucks obviously. Wanted to see a lot more of him and now it looks like he's out for 6 weeks. Big bummer.

Sarr is still the favorite to go #1 based on ceiling alone. He's banged up too right now with a hip injury, but I think he ends up going 1 when it's all said and done given his defensive upside and due to it being a weaker class.

Cody Williams is the other guy who seems to be moving up boards right now. Younger brother of OKC's Jalen Williams of course. He looks like another solid 3&D guy who could sneak into the top-5 or 6 of the draft if he continues to play well.

The Cody Williams stuff baffles me. He looks like a first rounder, but he's not that fast, he's not that big, he doesn't have a large bag, his stats are just okay. I feel like he's getting massive "I have a brother" dividends that are undeserved so far.

[CGD]

The Cody Williams stuff baffles me. He looks like a first rounder, but he's not that fast, he's not that big, he doesn't have a large bag, his stats are just okay. I feel like he's getting massive "I have a brother" dividends that are undeserved so far.

Honestly that’s the same thing they said about his brother. We forget that he was a “stretch” at 12.

[spurraider21]

risacher has been shooting up on draft boards with nobody in this class being able to separate themselves as high end talent. meanwhile risacher looks ready to come in day 1 and provide at least 1 high level nba skill with a lot of room for growth

[Mr. Body]

Honestly that’s the same thing they said about his brother. We forget that he was a “stretch” at 12.

But J-Will was actually a good basketball player in college. Just because your sibling is good doesn't make you good.

[spurraider21]

But J-Will was actually a good basketball player in college. Just because your sibling is good doesn't make you good.
not as a freshman

freshman cody is doing a heck of a lot more than freshman jalen

[CGD]

risacher has been shooting up on draft boards with nobody in this class being able to separate themselves as high end talent. meanwhile risacher looks ready to come in day 1 and provide at least 1 high level nba skill with a lot of room for growth

Are we sure he’s isn’t the #1 pick?
I think we may miss out

[spurraider21]

Are we sure he’s isn’t the #1 pick?
I think we may miss out
not ruling anything out in this class. the top is really disappointing.

i dont think any of the projected top dogs, Sarr, Buzelis, Collier, Holland have done much of anything to help their stock. Sarr has kind of shot for par, and the rest have gone backwards if anything.

not that there wont be useful players, but top of the draft is usually where teams shoot for stars or franchise cornerstones. takes quite a bit of imagination to put Risacher in that kind of category

[Mr. Body]

not as a freshman

freshman cody is doing a heck of a lot more than freshman jalen

No, he's not. Dirty little secret is Cody Williams ain't doing a whole hell of a lot.

[SpursBills]

This class clearly doesn't compare to last year's class at the top. How about late lottery? Last year there was a lot of chatter about buying another lottery pick for guys like Anthony Black, Cason Wallace, or Coulibaly. Where do you think those prospects (not players, but prospects) would go in this year's draft?

[spurraider21]

This class clearly doesn't compare to last year's class at the top. How about late lottery? Last year there was a lot of chatter about buying another lottery pick for guys like Anthony Black, Cason Wallace, or Coulibaly. Where do you think those prospects (not players, but prospects) would go in this year's draft?
i think cason would be going top 5 this year tbh :lol

[BackHome]

Yea Risacher has definitely cemented himself as a top-3 pick in this draft imo. Projects as a really nice 3&D weapon at the next level with his length and shooting ability. #2 overall sounds about right for him as of right now.

Topic hurting his knee sucks obviously. Wanted to see a lot more of him and now it looks like he's out for 6 weeks. Big bummer.

Sarr is still the favorite to go #1 based on ceiling alone. He's banged up too right now with a hip injury, but I think he ends up going 1 when it's all said and done given his defensive upside and due to it being a weaker class.

Cody Williams is the other guy who seems to be moving up boards right now. Younger brother of OKC's Jalen Williams of course. He looks like another solid 3&D guy who could sneak into the top-5 or 6 of the draft if he continues to play well.

If we were to land the second pick it would be a hard decision for me picking Topic vs Risacher - If we get the Raptors pick I would be looking at Cody, Dily, and Salaun.

[CGD]

If we were to land the second pick it would be a hard decision for me picking Topic vs Risacher - If we get the Raptors pick I would be looking at Cody, Dily, and Salaun.

If we get the second pick while also picking ahead of DET, I’d trade back with them to get Ivey. Hopefully they can still get someone they really like at the new position.

[Mr. Body]

This class clearly doesn't compare to last year's class at the top. How about late lottery? Last year there was a lot of chatter about buying another lottery pick for guys like Anthony Black, Cason Wallace, or Coulibaly. Where do you think those prospects (not players, but prospects) would go in this year's draft?

This draft is better imo in the mid to late lottery. Much worse up top.

[mo7888]

Are we sure he’s isn’t the #1 pick?
I think we may miss out

He's #1 on my board, I have Sarr #2

[mo7888]

This draft is better imo in the mid to late lottery. Much worse up top.

That may be the case, but the mocks are so 'all over the board' right now that it's hard to project who's in the late lottery. I've seen Shephard anywhere from #4 to #18, for instance. Between injuries (Topic), lack luster league (Buzelis), and meh stats (Williams) there hasn't been any consensus developing. The closest thing is everybody has Sarr and Risacher in the top 5, but beyond that, it's scattered. On the plus side, a guy who should be in the top 3 could go #10 based on how things are disjointed in the analysis world.

[The Truth #6]

My simplistic calculation is that stars need to be able to handle the ball. So that would be Dillingham, Topic maybe Buzelis, maybe Holland, Collier, Castle.

Then we have stationary shooters like Walter and Risacher.

Anyway, just rambling. But do you go for a sure fire role player or someone who needs a lot of growth?

[Frenchfred]

My simplistic calculation is that stars need to be able to handle the ball. So that would be Dillingham, Topic maybe Buzelis, maybe Holland, Collier, Castle.

Then we have stationary shooters like Walter and Risacher.

Anyway, just rambling. But do you go for a sure fire role player or someone who needs a lot of growth?

I think that Dillingham and Risacher would be a good draft for the Spurs. Risacher can shoot the three which the Spurs really need and Dillingham can drive which the Spurs need as well. Get a couple of vets to help and call it a summer

[Mr. Body]

Castle has just been terrible shooting.

I still like Dillingham but he's so small and his efficiency is breaking a bit. Kentucky just runs this do-whatever system. It's amazing how many good guards and some great centers come through that program and they never do anything.

[The Truth #6]

I think that Dillingham and Risacher would be a good draft for the Spurs. Risacher can shoot the three which the Spurs really need and Dillingham can drive which the Spurs need as well. Get a couple of vets to help and call it a summer

I was mentioning that combo of picks like a month ago, so I'm with you on that. Lot can change though. I can't rule out them taking a swing at Buzelis or Holland, though, depending on where our pick falls and if players of interest fall to them.

[exstatic]

No, he's not. Dirty little secret is Cody Williams ain't doing a whole hell of a lot.

You realize that Jalen played 3 years of college ball, right?

CODYS FRESHMAN YEAR IS IN FACT SHITTING ON JALENS.

[exstatic]

Castle has just been terrible shooting.

I still like Dillingham but he's so small and his efficiency is breaking a bit. Kentucky just runs this do-whatever system. It's amazing how many good guards and some great centers come through that program and they never do anything.
The players, or the UK program?

[Bruno]

Can some of our European posters enlighten us on the difference between EuroCup vs EuroLeague? Is it like a Europa League vs Champions League kind of thing?

There are 3 European competitions: Euroleague, Eurocup and Basketball Champions League.

Euroleague is by far the best one. It's the best level of basketball played in Europe and it's significantly better than the best national leagues.

Eurocup and Basketball Champions league are about the same level. The reason why there are two different leagues is because of a conflict between 2 entities (ULEB and FIBA). The level in these competitions isn't really higher than in good national leagues.

[scott]

Thanks Bruno!

[baseline bum]

If we were to land the second pick it would be a hard decision for me picking Topic vs Risacher - If we get the Raptors pick I would be looking at Cody, Dily, and Salaun.

I look at Topic like I look at the G-League Ignite players: empty stats against mediocre competition. Now if Topic when he comes back from injury can start having the same kind of success in Euroleague that he did in the ABA then he's probably #1 or #2 in the draft. But his first Euroleague game before getting hurt in the second didn't seem too impressive so not sold on him at all.

[baseline bum]

I think that Dillingham and Risacher would be a good draft for the Spurs. Risacher can shoot the three which the Spurs really need and Dillingham can drive which the Spurs need as well. Get a couple of vets to help and call it a summer

Would be an almost best case draft for the Spurs, behind only maybe getting the #1 and getting someone to give you a high-end vet for the right to draft Sarr instead. Would have to both really lucky on the Spurs' lottery position as well as the Raptors'.

[Mr. Body]

You realize that Jalen played 3 years of college ball, right?

CODYS FRESHMAN YEAR IS IN FACT SHITTING ON JALENS.

What does that matter? How does that automatically translate to anything? Cody's year is unremarkable.

Huge logical fallacies here.

[CGD]

What does that matter? How does that automatically translate to anything? Cody's year is unremarkable.

Huge logical fallacies here.

^ fair, but whoever started this line debate started by making the comp between the brothers, so i think it flows logically that people are looking at year over year comparisons. Whether the comparison should have been made at all is a separate point.

[Mr. Body]

^ fair, but whoever started this line debate started by making the comp between the brothers, so i think it flows logically that people are looking at year over year comparisons. Whether the comparison should have been made at all is a separate point.

1) who cares about comps between brothers when 2) the comp is a terrible basis for a draft pick. People are talking about a mid player because he has a brother. That's it. It's like going crazy over Harvey Grant because there was a Horace Grant.

[exstatic]

In the 2026 draft, there’s going to be this kid named Oscar that a LOT of people are going to compare to his brother.

I’m not sure that you understand that outside of one, or maybe two players each year, NBA teams draft based on who they think you can become, not the player you are right now. Sure, he’s got stuff he needs to work on like rebounding, and creation for others, but he has some eye popping stuff, too. His TS% is 63, which is top of class type stuff, as is his EFG% of 60. Probably the best one, though is his FTA rate of 46.4%. That’s the number for FTs per FG attempt. If that number were 50, it would be the equivalent of every FGA being an and1.

[Mr. Body]

Do you mean Williams? He's put up some pretty good numbers against cupcakes and then hasn't played again because he's hurt. Doesn't rebound, bad defensive numbers. His 3pt% is good but on a very small sample size of 1.7 shots a game, but his ft% is alarming at sub-.700, suggesting his outside shooting isn't as advertised. Sub 1.0 asst/turnover ratio. His advanced stats don't look good. By the eye test he looks slow and doesn't have a lot of shake or handle.

But again, small sample size. Right now, he's just famous because of his brother. I'm happy to change my mind, but I'm done talking about him at this point.

[BackHome]

He is actually back from his injury he has played in two games where he has scored a combined 26pts not to bad considering he is coming off a wrist injury. As far as Cody as a prospect I am looking at him with the Raptors pick and your right he has things he needs to work on but he also has skills that could make him into a very good player in a year or two. Every player in this draft your taking a gamble but I am good with taking a gamble on him because I think he could be a good fit for our team and with Wemby.

As far as just putting him in the lottery talks just because of his brother that is not it because if that where the case everyone one would be putting Lebron son in the lottery and that is not happening

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1748023242181238841

[Mr. Body]

He is actually back from his injury he has played in two games where he has scored a combined 26pts not to bad considering he is coming off a wrist injury. As far as Cody as a prospect I am looking at him with the Raptors pick and your right he has things he needs to work on but he also has skills that could make him into a very good player in a year or two. Every player in this draft your taking a gamble but I am good with taking a gamble on him because I think he could be a good fit for our team and with Wemby.

As far as just putting him in the lottery talks just because of his brother that is not it because if that where the case everyone one would be putting Lebron son in the lottery and that is not happening

False. Bronny isn't an NBA prospect at this point yet people are mocking him.

[scott]

Best thing that could have happened for the league would have been raising the minimum draft age to 20 (or even 21). The draft is just a flood of unqualified prospects who may or may not pan out in a few years. Better to separate the wheat from the chaff in college than in the NBA. Definitely glad the draft age was 19 last year though :lol

[CorrectCrusader]

Would be awesome if we got the #1 pick and traded it for Trae

[Chinook]

Best thing that could have happened for the league would have been raising the minimum draft age to 20 (or even 21). The draft is just a flood of unqualified prospects who may or may not pan out in a few years. Better to separate the wheat from the chaff in college than in the NBA. Definitely glad the draft age was 19 last year though :lol

The baseball system would be best. The greats could still move over immediately, but those who go to college have to stay for three years. Then because you have a minor-league system, you don't have to worry about depending on guys playing right away. It's okay if they come in still needing time.

[exstatic]

Would be awesome if we got the #1 pick and traded it for Trae

That would literally be the worst possible use for that pick, short of running out the clock and not making a selection.

[Biggems]

He's #1 on my board, I have Sarr #2

good, let it land that way. then, let Topic fall to our Toronto pick.


Sarr and Topic would be an absolute coup....

Then, in the 2nd round, get PJ Hall and Dillon Jones. Why these two, cause they are blue collar type players. They are not afraid to do the dirty work that a team needs to be successful.

Hell, I would love to acquire a third 2nd round pick somehow and use it to draft Zach Edey. He could be our Boban for the next handful of years.

[spurraider21]

That would literally be the worst possible use for that pick, short of running out the clock and not making a selection.
#1 overall pick in this shit draft for Trae would be an absolute heist

[spurraider21]

good, let it land that way. then, let Topic fall to our Toronto pick.


Sarr and Topic would be an absolute coup....

Then, in the 2nd round, get PJ Hall and Dillon Jones. Why these two, cause they are blue collar type players. They are not afraid to do the dirty work that a team needs to be successful.

Hell, I would love to acquire a third 2nd round pick somehow and use it to draft Zach Edey. He could be our Boban for the next handful of years.
why would you want a boban for a handful of years?

anyway, edey is supposedly going in the first round if not the lotto, so double no

[CorrectCrusader]

That would literally be the worst possible use for that pick, short of running out the clock and not making a selection.

How?

[onechance87]

yall triping....cody williams the number1 foward in this draft....Hes long,Can defend,Can score,can pass.
Has the potential to better then his brother,And his brother is pretty good so far

[spurraider21]

How?
He has brain worms when it comes to Trae

[BatManu20]

Kyle Filipowski feels very Spursy to me. Great size for the PF position at 7'0 250 lbs. Cerebral player who shoots 41% from 3 and excels as a passer. Would be a considerable upgrade over Zach Collins. Better fit too. Would be a nice stretch-4 beside Wemby, who could also help hide some of his defensive weaknesses. I expect him to get serious consideration from the Spurs if we manage to hang on to that Toronto pick tbh.


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[duncan2150]

Kyle Filipowski feels very Spursy to me. Great size for the PF position at 7'0 250 lbs. Cerebral player who shoots 41% from 3 and excels as a passer. Would be a considerable upgrade over Zach Collins. Better fit too. Would be a nice stretch-4 beside Wemby, who could also help hide some of his defensive weaknesses. I expect him to get serious consideration from the Spurs if we manage to hang on to that Toronto pick tbh.


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I was very surprised by how he was better than last year. I also think he could be a good pick for the Spurs in that 10-15 range maybe.

[RC_Drunkford]

I'm not really for drafting a 7-footer. If you're looking to pair Wemby with another big, the ideal fit would be a Jaren Jackson Jr. type

[Mr. Body]

I'm impressed by Filipowski's development. I also don't know that he fits with Wembanyama. It seems like that kind of player doesn't.

[Pauleta14]

Any Cody Williams fans ?

He just had a great game against Oregon, I like his style size and shooting abilities

[exstatic]

Any Cody Williams fans ?

He just had a great game against Oregon, I like his style size and shooting abilities

In before Mr. B’s nepotism complaints…

[Mr. Body]

He seems pretty good. I have him in the first round definitely. But damn is he pretty slow and weak. The weakness will get better, but he has to get off a lot of bad shots. He's pretty smooth but doesn't have much burst. Those shots will get harder to make in the NBA (Reed Sheppard makes a lot of hard shots, too). He doesn't rebound much or play defense very well. He's hitting from deep but he dumped the single free throw he shot. Dunno. If people didn't think he automagically tracks because of his bloodline he'd be in the 20s.

[Biggems]

why would you want a boban for a handful of years?

anyway, edey is supposedly going in the first round if not the lotto, so double no

every mock I see has Edey going in the 2nd half of the 2nd round.

I said Boban, but I messed up. Boban was a fun guy to have on the team, though. Edey can be down the bench and give us spot minutes. If anything, we can put him next to Wemby to keep the paint guarded. It would be very difficult to try and score over 2 7'4 guys. I know Edey is not the most athletic guy. He is a shot blocker, a solid rebounder, and is very good at drawing fouls and making FTs. For someone who is going to basically be on your 3rd team unit, that is about all you can ask for.

[exstatic]

every mock I see has Edey going in the 2nd half of the 2nd round.

I said Boban, but I messed up. Boban was a fun guy to have on the team, though. Edey can be down the bench and give us spot minutes. If anything, we can put him next to Wemby to keep the paint guarded. It would be very difficult to try and score over 2 7'4 guys. I know Edey is not the most athletic guy. He is a shot blocker, a solid rebounder, and is very good at drawing fouls and making FTs. For someone who is going to basically be on your 3rd team unit, that is about all you can ask for.

Tankathon has him at #24. That’s a pretty reputable mock.

[Mugen]

#1 overall pick in this shit draft for Trae would be an absolute heist

If all it took to get Trae Young was Alexander Sarr + salary filler, I'd give BWrong a lifetime contract tbh :lol

[CorrectCrusader]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzdue1-0aPo

[Mr. Body]

Kentucky has a Coatian center/pf who just become available who might suddenly appear in the lottery.

[Biggems]

Tankathon has him at #24. That’s a pretty reputable mock.

wow, he moved up? He was late in the 2nd round a week or so ago.

[onechance87]

dilliham with a terrible game......And wagner with a good game

[BackHome]

Kentucky has a Coatian center/pf who just become available who might suddenly appear in the lottery.

Yep, I really want us to draft Ivisic with our second round pick he has a lot of potential and he might not mind being stashed for one year.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vjs_rQQpdHc?feature=share

[rascal]

dilliham with a terrible game......And wagner with a good game

Dillingham doesn't excel in enough other areas if his shooting goes cold. I don't like his size either.

[Mr. Body]

Yep, I really want us to draft Ivisic with our second round pick he has a lot of potential and he might not mind being stashed for one year.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vjs_rQQpdHc?feature=share

He's not going second round.

[onechance87]

He's not going second round.

how good is he bro

[Mr. Body]

how good is he bro

Why does he have to come out this year?

[Dejounte]

If Spurs Keep Their Picks, I’d Prefer Right Now:

Collier & Salaun

Collier/ Wesley
Vassell/ Backup Wing
Champ/ Cissoko
Sochan/ Salaun
Wemby/ Barlow/ Bassey

Package Collins, Jones, Branham for veteran help

[Mr. Body]

Why on earth do you want Collier

[Dejounte]

Zaccharie Risacher Looks Like Another Branham Style Pick. He Doesn’t Have The Requisite Physical Abilities To Be The Perimeter Defender This Team Needs. The Lateral Agility Is Not There And Most Of His Defensive Impact Comes From Weakside Help And Rim Protection. It’s As If People Are Making The Same Mistake When They Thought Jabari Smith Would Be A Small Forward In The NBA, Or Misclassifying Wemby As A Small Forward In The NBA (As In Wemby Playing With Two Bigs)…

[KobesAchilles]

Dillingham doesn't excel in enough other areas if his shooting goes cold. I don't like his size either.
How tall is he? I keep hearing people say his size is bad but when I look it up I see him anywhere from 6’1 to 6’3 which is Tony Parker to Steve Nash height. It’s not that small.

[Mr. Body]

How tall is he? I keep hearing people say his size is bad but when I look it up I see him anywhere from 6’1 to 6’3 which is Tony Parker to Steve Nash height. It’s not that small.

Have you actually watched him? He's really small.

[onechance87]

Zaccharie Risacher Looks Like Another Branham Style Pick. He Doesn’t Have The Requisite Physical Abilities To Be The Perimeter Defender This Team Needs. The Lateral Agility Is Not There And Most Of His Defensive Impact Comes From Weakside Help And Rim Protection. It’s As If People Are Making The Same Mistake When They Thought Jabari Smith Would Be A Small Forward In The NBA, Or Misclassifying Wemby As A Small Forward In The NBA (As In Wemby Playing With Two Bigs)…

what u think of cody willams

[onechance87]

How tall is he? I keep hearing people say his size is bad but when I look it up I see him anywhere from 6’1 to 6’3 which is Tony Parker to Steve Nash height. It’s not that small.

looks isaiah thomas small to me

[Dejounte]

Why on earth do you want Collier

Collier Can Get To Any Spot He Wants On The Court With His Outstanding Footwork And Has A Polished Array Of Offensive Moves. These Are Qualities That Are Uncommon To Find In Any Player No Matter How Inefficient Collier Is Right Now. A Lot Of The Other Point Guards Compare To Tre Jones… What Does That Mean? We Have To Ask Ourselves What Tre Jones Is And What Makes Us Believe We Still Need A Starting Point Guard Despite Tre Being The Type Of Point Guard Everybody Has Wanted To Be The Starter This Season. The Answer Is He Has Basic-Level “Packages” In Nearly Every Aspect Of His Game: Basic Passes, Basic Shot Creation (Mostly Consisting Of Floaters And Layups). His Skillset Is Predictable. What You Need To Draft When You’re Drafting That High Is Unpredictability And Something That Is Just Not Basic (In The Way They Play On The Court). People Have This Idea That The Spurs Can Keep Drafting Players Who “Play The Right Way” And Learn To Use That As A Launching Pad To Stardom. Most Of Those Player Types Are Often Tre Jones Than Kawhi Leonard. Murray Is An Example Of Chaos That Needed To Be Tamed, And Collier Is Similar To That But With Possibly More Talent.

[Dejounte]

Ha! I Made That Comparison Without Looking It Up And It Turns Out They Actually Have Similar Stats In College:

https://www.tankathon.com/players/compare?players=isaiah-collier--dejounte-murray

[baseline bum]

Dillingham doesn't excel in enough other areas if his shooting goes cold. I don't like his size either.

IDK it's either Dilly or Shephard if I'm taking a PG. Collier has been disappointing, Topic fattened up on weak competition but went cold when playing Euroleague, and Castle shoots 20% from the college three despite not being guarded there. If we still had Chip here I'd be all over Castle since he could probably make him a 30% shooter from the three after seeing how he fixed Kawhi's shot but without Engelland he's a no go.

[baseline bum]

Collier Can Get To Any Spot He Wants On The Court With His Outstanding Footwork And Has A Polished Array Of Offensive Moves. These Are Qualities That Are Uncommon To Find In Any Player No Matter How Inefficient Collier Is Right Now. A Lot Of The Other Point Guards Compare To Tre Jones… What Does That Mean? We Have To Ask Ourselves What Tre Jones Is And What Makes Us Believe We Still Need A Starting Point Guard Despite Tre Being The Type Of Point Guard Everybody Has Wanted To Be The Starter This Season. The Answer Is He Has Basic-Level “Packages” In Nearly Every Aspect Of His Game: Basic Passes, Basic Shot Creation (Mostly Consisting Of Floaters And Layups). His Skillset Is Predictable. What You Need To Draft When You’re Drafting That High Is Unpredictability And Something That Is Just Not Basic (In The Way They Play On The Court). People Have This Idea That The Spurs Can Keep Drafting Players Who “Play The Right Way” And Learn To Use That As A Launching Pad To Stardom. Most Of Those Player Types Are Often Tre Jones Than Kawhi Leonard. Murray Is An Example Of Chaos That Needed To Be Tamed, And Collier Is Similar To That But With Possibly More Talent.

Man your posts are unreadable with the Dejounte filter applied

[Mr. Body]

Collier Can Get To Any Spot He Wants On The Court With His Outstanding Footwork And Has A Polished Array Of Offensive Moves. These Are Qualities That Are Uncommon To Find In Any Player No Matter How Inefficient Collier Is Right Now. A Lot Of The Other Point Guards Compare To Tre Jones… What Does That Mean? We Have To Ask Ourselves What Tre Jones Is And What Makes Us Believe We Still Need A Starting Point Guard Despite Tre Being The Type Of Point Guard Everybody Has Wanted To Be The Starter This Season. The Answer Is He Has Basic-Level “Packages” In Nearly Every Aspect Of His Game: Basic Passes, Basic Shot Creation (Mostly Consisting Of Floaters And Layups). His Skillset Is Predictable. What You Need To Draft When You’re Drafting That High Is Unpredictability And Something That Is Just Not Basic (In The Way They Play On The Court). People Have This Idea That The Spurs Can Keep Drafting Players Who “Play The Right Way” And Learn To Use That As A Launching Pad To Stardom. Most Of Those Player Types Are Often Tre Jones Than Kawhi Leonard. Murray Is An Example Of Chaos That Needed To Be Tamed, And Collier Is Similar To That But With Possibly More Talent.

I can't read this shit. Collier is really bad. And he and Murray are nothing alike.

[Mr. Body]

IDK it's either Dilly or Shephard if I'm taking a PG. Collier has been disappointing, Topic fattened up on weak competition but went cold when playing Euroleague, and Castle shoots 20% from the college three despite not being guarded there. If we still had Chip here I'd be all over Castle since he could probably make him a 30% shooter from the three after seeing how he fixed Kawhi's shot but without Engelland he's a no go.

I think Topic is the only actual PG with a lottery grade. I'm not sure Castle is a point guard. Dillingham and Reed have PG size but not sure they are either.

[Dejounte]

IDK it's either Dilly or Shephard if I'm taking a PG. Collier has been disappointing, Topic fattened up on weak competition but went cold when playing Euroleague, and Castle shoots 20% from the college three despite not being guarded there. If we still had Chip here I'd be all over Castle since he could probably make him a 30% shooter from the three after seeing how he fixed Kawhi's shot but without Engelland he's a no go.

Dejounte Is A Top Five Pick In His Class In A Re-Draft And His Numbers In College Compare Well With Collier’s “Underwhelming” College Season So Far.

[Mr. Body]

Dejounte Is A Top Five Pick In His Class In A Re-Draft And His Numbers In College Compare Well With Collier’s “Underwhelming” College Season So Far.

Man you got to actually watch these players. They are nothing close to each other at all.

[baseline bum]

I think Topic is the only actual PG with a lottery grade. I'm not sure Castle is a point guard. Dillingham and Reed have PG size but not sure they are either.

Topic has gotta show something in Euroleague. Not at all impressed by what he was doing in the ABA.

[Mr. Body]

Topic has gotta show something in Euroleague. Not at all impressed by what he was doing in the ABA.

He's really good at getting to the basket and he's a really good passer. Whether or not that translates, it still stands -- he's the only real point in this draft worth a lottery pick. I definitely think Reed and Dilly can play as a 1 but they aren't pure points.

[Dejounte]

what u think of cody willams

So Far? He’s A Prospect That Makes Me Yawn…

[BackHome]

Topic has gotta show something in Euroleague. Not at all impressed by what he was doing in the ABA.

I don’t Know isn’t Risacher playing in the same league he was playing in before he stepped up? Take it with a grain of salt but almost every mock had had them in the top 5 for months. As far as what he was doing in ABA I don’t think you can judge him to harshly going to a brand new league and team there has to be a learning curve and two games is not enough time

[KobesAchilles]

Have you actually watched him? He's really small.
I have watched him and he looks small. But idk if that’s just his frame. Like he’s really skinny so that could make him seem smaller than he is. He bulks up a bit (adds some actual muscle) and he could look bigger than he does now. Bc I don’t think he is Patty Mills height but it seems like that’s what everyone thinks he is though.

[BatManu20]

Topic has gotta show something in Euroleague. Not at all impressed by what he was doing in the ABA.

Same. My interest in Topic has fallen considerably tbh, especially when you consider how poor he is on the defensive end. He can still turn it around if he comes back and starts playing well in EuroLeague, but as of right now I'm pretty meh on him at the moment.

He's gotta project as an elite-level offensive player if I'm taking him in the top-5 with how poor of a defender he already is, but more importantly, how poor of a defender he projects to be in the NBA. His lack of foot speed and lack of 3-point shooting are red flags, though he shoots a solid % from the foul line so he might improve considerably from 3.

But I don't buy the SGA comparisons with him, at least not yet. Need to see more. Him getting hurt and being out for the next 6 weeks sucks bigly cause he needs to prove himself.

[BatManu20]

I have watched him and he looks small. But idk if that’s just his frame. Like he’s really skinny so that could make him seem smaller than he is. He bulks up a bit (adds some actual muscle) and he could look bigger than he does now. Bc I don’t think he is Patty Mills height but it seems like that’s what everyone thinks he is though.

Dilly is a very thin 6'1.5 - 6'2 imo. He's a 2-3 inches shorter than DJ Wagner, who looks to be a legit 6'4.


https://ukathletics.com/imgproxy/2AVjDSiGDk_b-099WvJ16DnDHcJ-YchP6AYu6nAtUH8/fit/1200/1200/ce/0/aHR0cHM6Ly9zdG9yYWdlLmdvb2dsZWFwaXMuY29tL3VrYXRobG V0aWNzLWNvbS8yMDIzLzExLzczYjE1MzZmLTg5XzIzMTEwMmt5 c3RfNDZjdy5qcGc.png

[BatManu20]

Dilly looks very similar to Trae Young in size and stature imo. Trae measured in at 6'1.75 barefoot at the combine.

[BatManu20]

Should also be mentioned that Isaiah Collier's 6'4 listing is bogus as well. He's between 6'2 - 6'2.5 imo based on this pic of him standing with 6'4 Drake London, 6'3 Bronny James, and 6'1 Caleb Williams.


https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/355891810_6726663007365847_7981037444316887976_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=3635dc&_nc_ohc=IHbzW9-4Q_IAX--WBoe&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=00_AfCs_s27aB4tSVbqU7wMP4WvCNy6k4Oe-KzW1W-5f7owlw&oe=65B2350D

[BatManu20]

Honestly, if we're talking PG's, Reed Sheppard seems like the exact type of guy the Spurs would look at if we hang on to that TOR pick and it falls in that 10-14 range. He's currently being projected there as he's quickly become Kentucky's 2nd best player behind Dilly. He has similar physical limitations to Dilly due to his smaller stature, and they're very different players, but he's by far the best defender in the draft at his position (4 steals & 2 blks/per is absolutely nuts for a 6'2 guard -- he's super active on that end) and his advanced stats are off the charts, as is his basketball IQ. I typically would avoid white American Guards at all costs, but he's a very Spursy player tbh. Reminds me a bit of a smaller D-White with a better jumper.

And, most importantly, he's probably the best shooter in the entire Draft at 53% from 3 on over 4 attempts/per (!!), 55% FG overall, and 85% FT. That 3PT% will surely drop cause that's insane and not sustainable, but he can really shoot the rock and looks like a good glue guy at the PG position at the next level. Understands the game of basketball and always seems to make the right play and find the open man. He's got some John Stockton in him tbh. His height and lack of foot-speed will definitely limit him a bit though. Will be interested to see how he pans out at the next level, but if he's surrounded by high-end talent, he'd be great as a glue guy imo.

OWGoDbFjdXs

[Mr. Body]

Dillingham has that Nick Smith Jr frame. As for previous UK guards he's closer in height/weight to De'Aaron Fox.

[Kurik]

I’m back on the Sheppard boat with the Toronto pick, go BPA with the first pick. I’m just not sure there’s a PG worth grabbing in the top 10 right now. May be better off taking a flier on a PG in the second round, make a trade, or hope next year has a better PG class. A bench backcourt of Wesley and Sheppard next year while small, could be interesting.

[Kurik]

Honestly, if we're talking PG's, Reed Sheppard seems like the exact time of guy the Spurs would look at if we hang on to that TOR pick and it falls in that 10-14 range. He's currently being projected there as he's quickly becoming Kentucky's 2nd best player behind Dilly. He has similar physical limitations to Dilly due to his smaller stature, and they're very different players, but he's the best defender in the draft at his position (4 steals & 2 blks/per is nuts for a 6'2 guard -- he's super a active on that end) and his advanced stats are off the charts, as his bball IQ. I typically would avoid white American Guards at all costs, but he's a very Spursy player tbh.

And, most importantly, he's probably the best shooter in the Draft at 53% from on over 4 attempts/per (!!), 55% FG overall, and 85% FT. That 3PT% will surely drop cause that's insane and not sustainable, but he can really shoot the rock and looks like a good glue guy at the PG position at the next level. Understand ball and always seems to make the right play or finds the open man. He's got some John Stockton in him tbh. His height and lack of foot-speed will definitely limit him a bit though. Will be interested to see how he pans out at the next level.

OWGoDbFjdXs

I like Sheppard a lot, I just wouldn’t consider him a PG.

[Atl Spur]

Give me Edey with the Toronto pick; this dude is a monster we could use with VW.

[BatManu20]

Give me Edey with the Toronto pick; this dude is a monster we could use with VW.

Way too high for him. Teams are going to attack him in the PnR relentlessly. That would also push Wemby back to PF, where he's far less effective...

[BatManu20]

I like Sheppard a lot, I just wouldn’t consider him a PG.

Yea he's not a true PG in the traditional sense, more of a combo Guard who can play Point cause he likes to shoot the rock. But he can definitely set the table at the next level imo. I wouldn't draft him in the top-10 personally due to his physical limitations, but if that TOR pick were to fall into the 11-14 range, I'd definitely consider him, depending on who else is there.

[RC_Drunkford]

I mentioned Ivusic last season when the serbian scout that got Jokic to the NBA was talking about him on All the Smoke. Don't want to draft a big though, PG and SF is what the Spurs should be looking at.

[venitian navigator]

At the moment I have a strong impression that the only real fame changer prospect in this draft is Edey. And agree with the thought that he could be possibly unplayable in nba but it's maybe a risk worth to take in a situation like ours where we can use a player that could fits perfectly as a help defender and is developing a more than decent three point shot... Idk... I put it on FO and scouting hands... But the idea of a front line Edey /Wemby looks at least intriguing...

[SpursBills]

looking at Ivisic from Kentucky is going to come out of nowhere and get drafted top 10. His tape from last year looks good and his start at Kentucky yesterday was insane. I'm not advocating necessarily for drafting him, but he can potentially push some better fit prospects down in case we don't get as much lottery luck this year. He will probably be taken above where he should be much like Sarr due to the success of mobile skilled bigs like Wemby and Chet this year.

[pookenstein]

If Spurs Keep Their Picks, I’d Prefer Right Now:

Collier & Salaun

Collier/ Wesley
Vassell/ Backup Wing
Champ/ Cissoko
Sochan/ Salaun
Wemby/ Barlow/ Bassey

Package Collins, Jones, Branham for veteran help

What about Keldon? Back up Champ?

[CGD]

Dilly is a very thin 6'1.5 - 6'2 imo. He's a 2-3 inches shorter than DJ Wagner, who looks to be a legit 6'4.


https://ukathletics.com/imgproxy/2AVjDSiGDk_b-099WvJ16DnDHcJ-YchP6AYu6nAtUH8/fit/1200/1200/ce/0/aHR0cHM6Ly9zdG9yYWdlLmdvb2dsZWFwaXMuY29tL3VrYXRobG V0aWNzLWNvbS8yMDIzLzExLzczYjE1MzZmLTg5XzIzMTEwMmt5 c3RfNDZjdy5qcGc.png

That not great. These days it’s seems the smaller you are the smaller your margin for error is. The 6’2 and unders seem to be a dying bread, even at pg.

[Dejounte]

What about Keldon? Back up Champ?
I Forgot About Keldon But In My Mind He Was Part Of The Group To Be Traded For Veteran Help

[RC_Drunkford]

the intriguing thing about Topic is what he could become being coached by Manu

[Chinook]

Should also be mentioned that Isaiah Collier's 6'4 listing is bogus as well. He's between 6'2 - 6'2.5 imo based on this pic of him standing with 6'4 Drake London, 6'3 Bronny James, and 6'1 Caleb Williams.


https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/355891810_6726663007365847_7981037444316887976_n.j pg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=3635dc&_nc_ohc=IHbzW9-4Q_IAX--WBoe&_nc_ht=scontent-dfw5-2.xx&oh=00_AfCs_s27aB4tSVbqU7wMP4WvCNy6k4Oe-KzW1W-5f7owlw&oe=65B2350D

To be clear, Colier looks taller than Bronny in this pic, not shorter. He does have the patented James hairline, so his height is actually about where his top knot it. Definitely looks shorter than London, even if he's standing a tiny bit behind him. But of course, now that the new CBA requires every player measure at the combine in order to be draft eligible, teams won't be left in the dark about his height prior to drafting him.

[DPG21920]

Im fine with Spurs trading their picks for real known talent; even if Spurs land pick 1.

[Russ]

To be clear, Colier looks taller than Bronny in this pic, not shorter. He does have the patented James hairline, so his height is actually about where his top knot it. Definitely looks shorter than London, even if he's standing a tiny bit behind him. But of course, now that the new CBA requires every player measure at the combine in order to be draft eligible, teams won't be left in the dark about his height prior to drafting him.

I've seen Collier two full games in person -- he can't shoot at all (and his team, as a PG, has been an utter disappointment record-wise).

(And he can't even manage to get the "fight on" sign past half-staff in the picture.)

[Truckules]

IDK it's either Dilly or Shephard if I'm taking a PG. Collier has been disappointing, Topic fattened up on weak competition but went cold when playing Euroleague, and Castle shoots 20% from the college three despite not being guarded there. If we still had Chip here I'd be all over Castle since he could probably make him a 30% shooter from the three after seeing how he fixed Kawhi's shot but without Engelland he's a no go.

Collier's been disappointing, but I think people might be dropping him too much. He suffered the curse of being overhyped before playing a college game. Every mock I've seen has him getting selected in the teens now in a weak draft. He's still the most athletic guard in the draft with good size. I don't think he'll ever be a star since he's not a good shooter. However, his floor is high enough that if you can pick him in the teens in this draft, that's a huge win.

Also, Topic played a total of 30 minutes for a brand new team in Euroleague before his injury. I don't think there's much of a conclusion to be drawn from that.

[TD 21]

Maybe it's reading too much into the supposed interest in Murray, but I get the sense that they're either

1) Not as high on Topic as many of us would have thought/hoped (if so, probably because they feel they can't keep investing significant assets into limited/non shooters)

2) Or are more focused on wing/forward (Risacher, Buzelis, Salaun, Williams) with their natural pick.

If that's the case, then I'd imagine Sheppard would be the focus with the potential Craptors 1st.

In either case, it won't be a big or as ever, an inner city stereotype.

[exstatic]

Maybe it's reading too much into the supposed interest in Murray, but I get the sense that they're either

1) Not as high on Topic as many of us would have thought/hoped (if so, probably because they feel they can't keep investing significant assets into limited/non shooters)

2) Or are more focused on wing/forward (Risacher, Buzelis, Salaun, Williams) with their natural pick.

If that's the case, then I'd imagine Sheppard would be the focus with the potential Craptors 1st.

In either case, it won't be a big or as ever, an inner city stereotype.

Murray’s really only going to be here for probably three years, if obtained. He’ll be 30 at that point, and looking for a payday. Any PG you draft this year will be ready to take the reins at that point.

[CorrectCrusader]

At the moment I have a strong impression that the only real fame changer prospect in this draft is Edey. And agree with the thought that he could be possibly unplayable in nba but it's maybe a risk worth to take in a situation like ours where we can use a player that could fits perfectly as a help defender and is developing a more than decent three point shot... Idk... I put it on FO and scouting hands... But the idea of a front line Edey /Wemby looks at least intriguing...

We have our elite guy already, Victor. we should not be wasting draft picks on potential, we should be aiming for high level roleplayers

[rascal]

We have our elite guy already, Victor. we should not be wasting draft picks on potential, we should be aiming for high level roleplayers

The Spurs already have a team full of role plyers. When you are drafting inside the top ten you shoot for the highest potential prospects.

You need two or three all star level players to be a contender.

[Russ]

The Spurs already have a team full of role plyers. When you are drafting inside the top ten you shoot for the highest potential prospects.

You need two or three all star level players to be a contender.

Yeah, swing for the fences. Go for high ceiling. Drafting a bust is not a big problem at this point.

The Spurs are gonna need a straw that stirs to team with Wemby. They just don't know exactly where or how or when they're gonna get it

[DAF86]

Collier Can Get To Any Spot He Wants On The Court With His Outstanding Footwork And Has A Polished Array Of Offensive Moves. These Are Qualities That Are Uncommon To Find In Any Player No Matter How Inefficient Collier Is Right Now. A Lot Of The Other Point Guards Compare To Tre Jones… What Does That Mean? We Have To Ask Ourselves What Tre Jones Is And What Makes Us Believe We Still Need A Starting Point Guard Despite Tre Being The Type Of Point Guard Everybody Has Wanted To Be The Starter This Season. The Answer Is He Has Basic-Level “Packages” In Nearly Every Aspect Of His Game: Basic Passes, Basic Shot Creation (Mostly Consisting Of Floaters And Layups). His Skillset Is Predictable. What You Need To Draft When You’re Drafting That High Is Unpredictability And Something That Is Just Not Basic (In The Way They Play On The Court). People Have This Idea That The Spurs Can Keep Drafting Players Who “Play The Right Way” And Learn To Use That As A Launching Pad To Stardom. Most Of Those Player Types Are Often Tre Jones Than Kawhi Leonard. Murray Is An Example Of Chaos That Needed To Be Tamed, And Collier Is Similar To That But With Possibly More Talent.

What Tre has is a broken shot, the same thing that Collier suffers. Collier wouldn't be any kind of imrpovement over Tre. A guy like Dillingham brings a whole different skillset. You want "non-basic" skill packages? Dillingham offers that and then some. Without a doubt, the most skilled offensive PG of the draft.

[Kurik]

Sometimes going for a high floor player is also taking a gamble on their game transforming further at the next level as well. I’m all for high risk high reward but I think we’ve seen more than a few examples of players being labeled as “safe picks” but have exceeded expectations in recent years.

[Dejounte]

What Tre has is a broken shot, the same thing that Collier suffers. Collier wouldn't be any kind of imrpovement over Tre. A guy like Dillingham brings a whole different skillset. You want "non-basic" skill packages? Dillingham offers that and then some. Without a doubt, the most skilled offensive PG of the draft.

Everything Doesn’t Revolve Around Shooting. The Whole Premise Of My Post Extends Beyond That. I Don’t Close The Book On A Player Because He Lacks Shooting, Especially When Said Player Shows Promise In Many Other Facets Of The Game. I’m Already High On Dillingham But His Frame Is Too Small To Be Convince Me That He Won’t Be A Liability On Defense Especially When He Has To Switch On Guys Like Anthony Edwards Or Jaylen Brown. Collier Is A Big “6’3” In The Same Manner As Jrue Is. That Boy Is Thick And Can Defend His Ass Off.

[DAF86]

Everything Doesn’t Revolve Around Shooting. The Whole Premise Of My Post Extends Beyond That. I Don’t Close The Book On A Player Because He Lacks Shooting, Especially When Said Player Shows Promise In Many Other Facets Of The Game. I’m Already High On Dillingham But His Frame Is Too Small To Be Convince Me That He Won’t Be A Liability On Defense Especially When He Has To Switch On Guys Like Anthony Edwards Or Jaylen Brown. Collier Is A Big “6’3” In The Same Manner As Jrue Is. That Boy Is Thick And Can Defend His Ass Off.

If Tre could shoot, we wouldn't be looking for a PG. So, yeah, in this case it mostly revolves around shooting. This team can't afford any more non-shooters.

[Dejounte]

If Tre could shoot, we wouldn't be looking for a PG. So, yeah, in this case it mostly revolves around shooting. This team can't afford any more non-shooters.

False. This Team Needs More From A Long Term Starter Point Guard Than A Tre Jones-Who-Could-Shoot. A Team With Wemby As Its Focal Point Needs A Primary Playmaker To Take Pressure Off Him And That Can Only Come From A Point Guard Who Exhibits An Offense That Can Break Down A Defense With An Impressive Set Of Physical Tools And Offensive Moves.

That’s My Final Say On This Because I Know We’re Going Into A Rabbit Hole Type Conversation That Leads Nowhere Because Of Your Unchanging Stance On Shooting Ability Through All These Years.

[baseline bum]

What Tre has is a broken shot, the same thing that Collier suffers. Collier wouldn't be any kind of imrpovement over Tre. A guy like Dillingham brings a whole different skillset. You want "non-basic" skill packages? Dillingham offers that and then some. Without a doubt, the most skilled offensive PG of the draft.

Same reason I don't want Castle unless he starts sliding to the 20s (doubtful in such a lousy draft). Then I'd want to make a move to try to snag him as a low risk high potential guy.

[baseline bum]

Everything Doesn’t Revolve Around Shooting. The Whole Premise Of My Post Extends Beyond That. I Don’t Close The Book On A Player Because He Lacks Shooting, Especially When Said Player Shows Promise In Many Other Facets Of The Game. I’m Already High On Dillingham But His Frame Is Too Small To Be Convince Me That He Won’t Be A Liability On Defense Especially When He Has To Switch On Guys Like Anthony Edwards Or Jaylen Brown. Collier Is A Big “6’3” In The Same Manner As Jrue Is. That Boy Is Thick And Can Defend His Ass Off.

With Chip gone you can't really take the same kind of swings on guys with broken jumpshots like Kawhi or Michael Kidd-Gilchrist anymore. I think Kawhi would have become more towards the MKG mold had he been drafted by Charlotte with their horrible player development for example. Or maybe even if drafted by the Spurs if Chip was already in OKC.

[baseline bum]

Collier's been disappointing, but I think people might be dropping him too much. He suffered the curse of being overhyped before playing a college game. Every mock I've seen has him getting selected in the teens now in a weak draft. He's still the most athletic guard in the draft with good size. I don't think he'll ever be a star since he's not a good shooter. However, his floor is high enough that if you can pick him in the teens in this draft, that's a huge win.

Also, Topic played a total of 30 minutes for a brand new team in Euroleague before his injury. I don't think there's much of a conclusion to be drawn from that.

30 very disappointing minutes over two games. Right now for me Topic is an absolutely do not draft even with the Toronto pick level of prospect and that's not changing unless he shows he can be a good player in Euroleague when he comes back in a couple of weeks. Thankfully I think he plays Euroleague until late April so he'll get his chance to show whether or not he deserves to be a lottery pick. I hated all the Doncic talk when Doncic was dominating Euroleague, won the MVP, and led Real Madrid to the Euroleague title at 19. If there was someone like that in this draft I wouldn't mind all the Spurs losing as much.

[DAF86]

False. This Team Needs More From A Long Term Starter Point Guard Than A Tre Jones-Who-Could-Shoot. A Team With Wemby As Its Focal Point Needs A Primary Playmaker To Take Pressure Off Him And That Can Only Come From A Point Guard Who Exhibits An Offense That Can Break Down A Defense With An Impressive Set Of Physical Tools And Offensive Moves.

That’s My Final Say On This Because I Know We’re Going Into A Rabbit Hole Type Conversation That Leads Nowhere Because Of Your Unchanging Stance On Shooting Ability Through All These Years.

You should take note and follow me on this. Do you really expect the Spurs to do well with a rotation that contains 3 non-shooters (Tre, Collier, Sochan), one below average shooter (Wemby) and then a bunch of average shooters at best? You can't win in today's NBA like that. The formula going forward should be surrounding Wemby with as many shooters as possible. Unlike what you think, shooting is like defense, you can't never have too much of it.

[baseline bum]

Everything Doesn’t Revolve Around Shooting. The Whole Premise Of My Post Extends Beyond That. I Don’t Close The Book On A Player Because He Lacks Shooting, Especially When Said Player Shows Promise In Many Other Facets Of The Game. I’m Already High On Dillingham But His Frame Is Too Small To Be Convince Me That He Won’t Be A Liability On Defense Especially When He Has To Switch On Guys Like Anthony Edwards Or Jaylen Brown. Collier Is A Big “6’3” In The Same Manner As Jrue Is. That Boy Is Thick And Can Defend His Ass Off.

Drafting for size instead of who can actually play at PG is how you get Joseph Forte and Jeryl Sasser drafted ahead of Tony Parker. And Collier's defensive rating is terrible.

[scott]

If Spurs Keep Their Picks, I’d Prefer Right Now:

Collier & Salaun

Collier/ Wesley
Vassell/ Backup Wing
Champ/ Cissoko
Sochan/ Salaun
Wemby/ Barlow/ Bassey

Package Collins, Jones, Branham for veteran help

Is Keldon still on the team or did he get included in the Collins/Jones/Branham move?

[Dejounte]

You should take note and follow me on this. Do you really expect the Spurs to do well with a rotation that contains 3 non-shooters (Tre, Collier, Sochan), one below average shooter (Wemby) and then a bunch of average shooters at best? You can't win in today's NBA like that. The formula going forward should be surrounding Wemby with as many shooters as possible. Unlike what you think, shooting is like defense, you can't never have too much of it.

You Throw A Hypothetical For Me And Insert A Parameter In There Like “…And Then A Bunch Of Average Shooters” And Expect Me To Believe This Is A Sincere Conversation? No, I Didn’t Say They Should Be Surrounded By Average Shooters. And You’re Really Underestimating How Many Teams Have Three Non Shooting Specialists In Their Rotation. By All Accounts, The Narrative That Sochan Is A Non Shooter Is One That Needs To Die Since The Sample Size Isn’t Small Anymore. His Shooting Is Comparable To Other NBA Players Who No One Would Say Are Non-Shooters. These Takes Are Outdated And Also Filled With Too Much Hyperbole In Order To Prove A Point. Do You Understand Why I Don’t Like Going Further Than One Or Two Replies With You? You Take It To These Extreme Black/ White Point Of Views For No Reason. Let’s End This One Here.

[Dejounte]

Drafting for size instead of who can actually play at PG is how you get Joseph Forte and Jeryl Sasser drafted ahead of Tony Parker. And Collier's defensive rating is terrible.
Just Drafting For Size Would Be Me Saying Let’s Draft Stephon Castle.

[scott]

My extent of draft research is pretty much what people write on this message board... but based on that, I'd be good with trading both picks this year (plus a further out pick if necessary) for a someone like Bridges or Young. This class seems like it stinks.

[DAF86]

You Throw A Hypothetical For Me And Insert A Parameter In There Like “…And Then A Bunch Of Average Shooters” And Expect Me To Believe This Is A Sincere Conversation? No, I Didn’t Say They Should Be Surrounded By Average Shooters. And You’re Really Underestimating How Many Teams Have Three Non Shooting Specialists In Their Rotation. By All Accounts, The Narrative That Sochan Is A Non Shooter Is One That Needs To Die Since The Sample Size Isn’t Small Anymore. His Shooting Is Comparable To Other NBA Players Who No One Would Say Are Non-Shooters. These Takes Are Outdated And Also Filled With Too Much Hyperbole In Order To Prove A Point. Do You Understand Why I Don’t Like Going Further Than One Or Two Replies With You? You Take It To These Extreme Black/ White Point Of Views For No Reason. Let’s End This One Here.

Sochan is a non-shooter, I don't care about averages on limited wide open threes when opossing teams don't respect your shot and that compromises the entire's team offense. You can get by with one or two of these players (if they don't share much time), but not with 4. You didn't say Wemby should be surrounded by average shooters but you provided a rotation full of average to bad shooters. You even added Sissoko, another non-shooter. The rotation you provided would be the worst team in the league. You can't get by in today's NBA with so many shooting liabilites.

P/S: if you don't like engaging with me, don't answer, simple as that. This "please let me have the last word" begs are sad bro. :lol

[HankChinaski]

I like Saluan and Risacher. Saluan is a bit of a question mark this early but he just looks like a lot of upside, If the toronto pick conveys one of those two with the toronto pick would be nice. With our pick it's a head scratcher. Topic looks good but it doesn't scream out to me yet as hell yeah.

[Dejounte]

Sochan is a non-shooter, I don't care about averages on limited wide open threes when opossing teams don't respect your shot and that compromises the entire's team offense. You didn't say Wemby should be surrounded by average shooters but you provided a rotation full of average to bad shooters. You even added Sissoko, another non-shooter. The rotation you provided would be the worst team in the league. You can't get by in today's NBA with so many shooting liabilites.

P/S: if you don't like engaging with me, don't answer, simple as that. This "please let me have the last word" begs are sad bro. :lol

Seeing As How My Posts Are Irresistible To You (Very Flattering, By The Way), I’ll Always Entertain You With A Reply Or Two As I Have Said. After That, You’re Right— I Have No Care About Winning An “Internet Battle” With You As You Have Stated In The Past That The “Internet Is All About Having Arguments”. So Go Ahead Because I Fell Into This Trap Again And Have Exhausted Myself For No Reason— Reply Back With Something Internet-Clever So You Can Get Your Internet-Cookie.

[DAF86]

Seeing As How My Posts Are Irresistible To You (Very Flattering, By The Way), I’ll Always Entertain You With A Reply Or Two As I Have Said. After That, You’re Right— I Have No Care About Winning An “Internet Battle” With You As You Have Stated In The Past That The “Internet Is All About Having Arguments”. So Go Ahead Because I Fell Into This Trap Again And Have Exhausted Myself For No Reason— Reply Back With Something Internet-Clever So You Can Get Your Internet-Cookie.

Dude, when do I ever quote you? :lol The other day, that you got your panties all in a bunch and now. I don't recall any other interaction with you in the last 12 months or so. :lol

[HankChinaski]

Dude, when do I ever quote you? :lol The other day, that you got your panties all in a bunch and now. I don't recall any other interaction with you in the last 12 months or so. :lol

But you remembered the other too ehhh :tongue

[DAF86]

But you remembered the other too ehhh :tongue

Only because he replied with this weird rant about how I like to discuss things in a discussion board. :lol