2024 NBA Draft Thread

[JPB]

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Believe this is the first confirmation we’ve gotten that the Spurs worked out Buzelis.

Givony mentioned it in his ESPN mock this morning.

A few minutes later, everybody drops the info on their social media, thanks to their "sources".

[FireMicoHalili]

Topic at 8 means the Spurs really like this guy. But would they select regardless who they got at 4? Castle at 4 could play SF in the future. Sarr at 4 is possible with Clingan in the mix

I think Topic at 8 is okay if he’s viewed as the future starting PG despite not playing this coming season. He’s viewed as the player who is the best passing guard, and who can also put up points in many ways.
If the Spurs want to continue tanking, Topic makes a ton of sense at 8. It’s a weak draft and there aren’t a lot of desirable options at 8. He comes in with next year’s lottery pick.

[rascal]

Definitely think Topic at 8 is in play, especially if they’re super happy with the selection at 4. RC won’t be able to help himself.

I’ve never thought Dillingham was a serious option but we’ll see.

Agree

Topic is going to find his way on the spurs.

If they miss on Castle and Risacher I expect Topic and Salaun

[John B]

If the Spurs want to continue tanking, Topic makes a ton of sense at 8. It’s a weak draft and there aren’t a lot of desirable options at 8. He comes in with next year’s lottery pick.

Ideally yes with a stronger 2025 draft. But I think ST will explode more than Wemby, who will take it more mature than many posters here, if that’s what it takes to build a dynasty.

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If the Spurs want to continue tanking, Topic makes a ton of sense at 8. It’s a weak draft and there aren’t a lot of desirable options at 8. He comes in with next year’s lottery pick.
Much as I dislike that idea, there is a method to that madness. The current lottery rules give teams a real shot at jumping up, and may not last forever. One more crack at that Cooper kid might be worth another year to some folks.

[BatManu20]

Agree

Topic is going to find his way on the spurs.

If they miss on Castle and Risacher I expect Topic and Salaun


Spurs somehow get even worse defensively :lol

[Mr. Body]

Topic makes little sense. They continue to develop the team all next season, then go into next year's draft with some guy just hanging on the wings there that has a very particular play style. You've been developing all this time without him, so may not even think his style works anymore, plus you're getting two picks where you have to keep him in mind.

Why?

[baseline bum]

The Hawks getting back their 2025 unprotected first-rounder from San Antonio would be a huge boon, but it isn't clear whether the Spurs would be willing to pay such a high price, while other great trade opportunities do not appear to have materialized thus far.


Fuck no, no chance in hell I'm giving up their 2025 unprotected pick just to swap picks for Risacher. Don't see much of a delta between Risacher, Castle, and Sheppard, and at least one of them should be there at #4.

[Mr. Body]

Agree

Topic is going to find his way on the spurs.

If they miss on Castle and Risacher I expect Topic and Salaun

Why would they pick Topic at 4 when no one will pick him before 8?

[FireMicoHalili]

Ideally yes with a stronger 2025 draft. But I think ST will explode more than Wemby, who will take it more mature than many posters here, if that’s what it takes to build a dynasty.
water is wet lol at this point really just hoping they don’t mess up both picks. drafts are always going to be crap shoots but to have two picks and punt on both down the line is going to be awful

[FireMicoHalili]

Much as I dislike that idea, there is a method to that madness. The current lottery rules give teams a real shot at jumping up, and may not last forever. One more crack at that Cooper kid might be worth another year to some folks.
not saying I like it too but it’s definitely on the table, depending on their vision and timeline. Not going to be surprised if it happens either. Just seems like a swing they’re likely to make

[Seventyniner]

Fuck no, no chance in hell I'm giving up their 2025 unprotected pick just to swap picks for Risacher. Don't see much of a delta between Risacher, Castle, and Sheppard, and at least one of them should be there at #4.

Yup. As long as those aren't the top 3 picks, which is pretty unlikely since Sarr is probably going top 2, one of those three is guaranteed to be available at #4. Trading up for any of those three seems like a bad idea to me.

[mo7888]

My Final Big Board + My Final Spurs Centric Big Board

2024 NBA Draft Board
Tier 1:
1. Zaccharie Risacher
2. Alex Sarr
3. Matas Buzelis
Tier 2:
4. Reed Shephard
5. Cody Williams
6. Stephen Castle
7. Dalton Knecht
8. Donovan Clingan
9. Robert Dillingham
10. Tidjane Salaun
Tier 3:
11. JaKobe Walter
12. Nikola Topic
13. Johnny Furphy
14. Jared McCain
15. Devin Carter
16. Isaiah Collier
17. Kyle Filipowski
Tier 4:
18. Tyler Smith
19. Ron Holland
20. Ke'lel Ware
21. Yves Missi
22. Zach Edey
23. Bobi Klintman
24. Kyshawn George
Tier 5:
25. Pacome Dadiet
26. Trevon Brazile
27. Baylor Scheierman
28. Melvin Ajinca
29. Tristan Da Silva
30. Pelle Larsson

My Spurs Board Top 10

1. Zaccharie Risacher
2. Matas Buzelis
3. Alexander Sarr
4. Reed Shephard
5. Stephen Castle
6. Cody Williams
7. Dalton Knecht
8. Robert Dillingham
9. Donovan Clingan
10. Tidjane Salaun

[rascal]

Why would they pick Topic at 4 when no one will pick him before 8?

Because they will pick whoever his high on their board regardless where they think they will get picked.

[Pauleta14]

Not a huge fan of the cp3 option, but considering his connexion to Dilligham it woud makes sense tbh (if Dilli is PATFO's guy)

[couchman]

The only reason for the Spurs to trade up from #4 to #1 is if they secretly covet Sarr.
Everyone else they might want has the potential to be there at #4.

I like the Spurs telling teams they will take BPA.
That gives them more leverage if someone like Clingan is there at #4 and they want to entertain offers.

[DPG21920]

Fuck no, no chance in hell I'm giving up their 2025 unprotected pick just to swap picks for Risacher. Don't see much of a delta between Risacher, Castle, and Sheppard, and at least one of them should be there at #4.

Would you do it for ATL pick straight up? SA keeps 4 and 8 and gets pick 1?

[BatManu20]

Would you do it for ATL pick straight up? SA keeps 4 and 8 and gets pick 1?

ATL wouldn't do that lol. Even in a weak draft, it makes no sense to trade the #1 overall pick for a future projected lottery pick.

[Mr. Body]

ATL wouldn't do that lol. Even in a weak draft, it makes no sense to trade the #1 overall pick for a future projected lottery pick.

Atlanta fanbase would legit riot.

[baseline bum]

Would you do it for ATL pick straight up? SA keeps 4 and 8 and gets pick 1?

I think I would. I doubt Atlanta would though.

[Kevin]

As the draft gets closer and closer the more I want to tune out until Wednesday night. The smoke screens and BS are out of control this year because the class is so flat. Should be the most entertaining draft night in a long time even if the class is weak.

[DPG21920]

ATL wouldn't do that lol. Even in a weak draft, it makes no sense to trade the #1 overall pick for a future projected lottery pick.

I agree, but honestly, if you strip away the “its the number one pick” and just look at the player (Sarr or Risacher) does it seem unreasonable? Trading Risacher for the complete control of your own fate and ability to tank for Flagg if you want etc seems like a pretty easy call to me unless you think those guys are superstars (Risacher/Sarr)

[DPG21920]

Based on this, things starting to shape up (assuming no trades) as:

The first 3 picks being some order of Sarr, Risacher & Reed. That sets up Castle to SA…



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[Mr. Body]

Based on this, things starting to shape up (assuming no trades) as:

The first 3 picks being some order of Sarr, Risacher & Reed. That sets up Castle to SA…



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I wouldn't disregard Houston picking and trading Clingan. Really, San Antonio doing the same if Houston doesn't.

[DPG21920]

I wouldn't disregard Houston picking and trading Clingan. Really, San Antonio doing the same if Houston doesn't.

Sure - I was just going off of the “as of now, no trades” scenario.

[DPG21920]

I agree, but honestly, if you strip away the “its the number one pick” and just look at the player (Sarr or Risacher) does it seem unreasonable? Trading Risacher for the complete control of your own fate and ability to tank for Flagg if you want etc seems like a pretty easy call to me unless you think those guys are superstars (Risacher/Sarr)

To further elaborate: IF ATL wanted to blow it up internally and thought that was the best path, obviously getting their 25 pick back would be imperative. But besides that, on just raw value alone, I dont think its a stretch to say that if Sarr, Risacher and Reed were in the 25’ draft instead of this one, that none of the 3 would go top 10.

So in that regard you are trading pick 12-18 next year for full control over your own pick more or less. Do you think theres a solid chance that you can get an equal player to Risacher, Sarr or Reed at pick 12-18 next year if you are ATL worst case alongside being able to blow it up and truly tank if you want to?

You better value Risacher/Sarr a wholeeeeee lot to argue that its not fair value IMO

[Mr. Body]

The annual vastly overrating the next year's draft is in full effect.

[exstatic]

Would you do it for ATL pick straight up? SA keeps 4 and 8 and gets pick 1?

No. Even if the 2025 ATL pick falls in the 8-12 range and doesn’t jump up into the top 4, it’s a far better draft, and that pick may well be better than 1 in this draft. If it does jump into the top 4, you’ve fucked up your chance t draft Wemby’s co-star.

This draft is crap, and NO resources should be spent to move up.

[ChumpDumper]

No. Even if the 2025 ATL pick falls in the 8-12 range and doesn’t jump up into the top 4, it’s a far better draft, and that pick may well be better than 1 in this draft. If it does jump into the top 4, you’ve fucked up your chance t draft Wemby’s co-star.

This draft is crap, and NO resources should be spent to move up.

Yeah, I see the Spurs' trading down from 8 if anything this year.

[exstatic]

To further elaborate: IF ATL wanted to blow it up internally and thought that was the best path, obviously getting their 25 pick back would be imperative. But besides that, on just raw value alone, I dont think its a stretch to say that if Sarr, Risacher and Reed were in the 25’ draft instead of this one, that none of the 3 would go top 10.

So in that regard you are trading pick 12-18 next year for full control over your own pick more or less. Do you think theres a solid chance that you can get an equal player to Risacher, Sarr or Reed at pick 12-18 next year if you are ATL worst case alongside being able to blow it up and truly tank if you want to?

You better value Risacher/Sarr a wholeeeeee lot to argue that its not fair value IMO

You’re overvaluing their current talent. ATL won’t finish 12-18, they’ll likely finish 6-12. They’ve been going backwards for 3-4 years, and I see no reason for that to change. Their ownership seems tax averse, and they’ve been offloading players to save money, with little return.

[DPG21920]

The annual vastly overrating the next year's draft is in full effect.

Is it that or underrating this draft?

[DPG21920]

You’re overvaluing their current talent. ATL won’t finish 12-18, they’ll likely finish 6-12. They’ve been going backwards for 3-4 years, and I see no reason for that to change. Their ownership seems tax averse, and they’ve been offloading players to save money, with little return.

Agree. I would not do the deal if I were SA. I was gaming it out for those saying ATL wouldn’t do it or would be “crazy” to do it

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The annual vastly overrating the next year's draft is in full effect.

At least there's a clear #1 prospect. This year I've seen about 6 people in that top spot on projections.

[LeBowen]

At least there's a clear #1 prospect. This year I've seen about 6 people in that top spot on projections.

Wasn't Ron Holland a clear #1 prospect coming out of high school?

[Mr. Body]

At least there's a clear #1 prospect. This year I've seen about 6 people in that top spot on projections.

"Scoot is a generational talent. He would absolutely go number one in any other draft."

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Not said by me, lol. I was never high on Scoot or Amen or Ausar or as even top 3 picks unlike much of the board. The beautiful thing is I put that on record here on multiple threads.

Next year has Cooper Flagg. People are already calling it the Cooper Flagg draft just as tge called last year the Wemby draft. Not quite sure how to respond to your post other than those two points above...wasn't me saying that about Scoot and next year is clearly defined which was my original point.

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Wasn't Ron Holland a clear #1 prospect coming out of high school?

How does that relate to what I posted on next year's draft already being known as the Cooper Flagg sweepstakes other than youre referencing their status' coming out of HS? I certainly never heard Hollands draft after HS be referred to as the Ron Holland sweepstakes

[Mr. Body]

I'd bet money that Cooper Flagg is going to have a good, but not exceptional year at Duke. He's a physical specimen against high schoolers without a lot of polish, and he cannot shoot. Once people actually watch him play it's going to be feeding season. Good, but not generational. Fortunately the draft looks really solid at top anyway.

[LeBowen]

How does that relate to what I posted on next year's draft already being known as the Cooper Flagg sweepstakes other than youre referencing their status' coming out of HS? I certainly never heard Hollands draft after HS be referred to as the Ron Holland sweepstakes

It's Cooper Flagg draft because ESPN needs something to market.
Who knows how's draft going to look this time next year.

[BatManu20]

Still think Sarr ends up going 1st Overall, but this is the Hawks we're talking about here so who knows tbh.


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[Mr. Body]

Still think Sarr ends up going 1st Overall, but this is the Hawks we're talking about here so who knows tbh.


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Why would anyone take this bet? You're not making any money on Risacher and there's a good chance he doesn't get picked there.

[LeBowen]

Didn't Jabari Smith Jr have the best odds to be picked at #1 in 2022 draft and then he dropped to #3?

[DPG21920]

Most likely outcome (and I say likely very loosely here lol):

Sarr, Risacher, Reed top 3.

So SA, unless they trade up, starts with that base of players being gone by 4 IMO

[BatManu20]

Most likely outcome (and I say likely very loosely here lol):

Sarr, Risacher, Reed top 3.

So SA, unless they trade up, starts with that base of players being gone by 4 IMO

Fully agree. Castle at 4 is perfect form me though cause he's my pet cat in this draft, though I'd honestly be happy with any of those top 4 guys tbh.

[BatManu20]

Didn't Jabari Smith Jr have the best odds to be picked at #1 in 2022 draft and then he dropped to #3?

Yup. Similar situation too. Banchero hadn't worked out with Orlando either, but they were able to land a last-minute sit down with him and then selected him a couple days later.

[NASpurs]

https://youtu.be/DlzT74vCw1Q?si=YA-n8eg7KA5LFYRu

[BatManu20]

https://youtu.be/DlzT74vCw1Q?si=YA-n8eg7KA5LFYRu

Salaun at 4 would be a disaster. Legit.

**Taking a swing on Salaun at 8 is one thing, but drafting him over Castle or Sheppard at 4 would be another. I'd never forgive BW tbh.

[Uriel]

Givony and Woo's today's mock and "intel".

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/40403204/2024-nba-mock-draft-latest-first-second-round-predictions-all-58-picks

First round

1. Atlanta Hawks

Zaccharie Risacher, SF, Bourg (France) | Age: 19.2

The Hawks continue to signal that they have not yet determined their draft night direction, which makes sense considering the nature of this draft, how even the talent at the top is and trade opportunities that could unfold once they are on the clock.

They simultaneously have decisions to make with players already on their roster, especially Trae Young and Dejounte Murray, who seem destined to part ways in the not-too-distant future. The New Orleans Pelicans loom as a potential destination for one of them, with Brandon Ingram the most attractive and attainable target on the Pels' roster. Jalen Johnson appears to be the only player the Hawks will not consider moving.

Risacher, as he has for much of the pre-draft cycle, continues to hold firm as the choice at No. 1 following a positive workout with Atlanta. The feedback from those who have seen him in the United States is that he is a better passer and does a better job of initiating contact and playing through physicality than is expected with his lean frame.

Donovan Clingan, another favorite of the Hawks' coaching staff, remains in play at No. 1, but he might be a more realistic option if the Hawks trade down a few spots with the San Antonio Spurs, something that might not materialize until the Spurs are on the clock at No. 4.

The Hawks getting back their 2025 unprotected first-rounder from San Antonio would be a huge boon, but it isn't clear whether the Spurs would be willing to pay such a high price, while other great trade opportunities do not appear to have materialized thus far.

NBA teams say the Hawks are indicating they could take Alex Sarr at No. 1, which some speculate might be more an attempt to force the Washington Wizards to trade up. -- Jonathan Givony
That’s too steep a price to pay in my book for such a flat draft. I like Risacher too and he’s #1 on my draft board, but I certainly wouldn’t give back Atlanta’s 2025 pick for him. The most I’d be willing to give up is pick #35, which the Hawks probably would say no to. Given that, I’d be happy to let them pick whoever they want at #1 and then pick the highest available player on our draft board at #4.

[Mr. Body]

That’s too steep a price to pay in my book for such a flat draft. I like Risacher too and he’s #1 on my draft board, but I certainly wouldn’t give back Atlanta’s 2025 pick for him. The most I’d be willing to give up is pick #35, which the Hawks probably would say no to. Given that, I’d be happy to let them pick whoever they want at #1 and then pick the highest available player on our draft board at #4.

Givony has been a massive backer of Risacher throughout the cycle. There's no other player he's pushed so relentlessly and over-praisingly. He's also the one who created and is still pushing the narrative of the Spurs trading up and giving a lot for him.

A lot of what he's saying is kind of bullshit, too. So what if Risacher is showing as a better passer in workouts? What the fuck are workouts? How does he pass in actual games? Shitty.

Why does it matter if he initiates contact in workouts? He shies away from it in games. WTF.

[Uriel]

Based on the latest ESPN mock, the Spurs’ big board appears to be:

1. Risacher
2. Sheppard
3. Castle
4. Dillingham
5. Buzelis
6. Knecht
7. Williams
8. Salaun
9. Topic

The mock also stated that the Spurs will take a “best player available” approach to both picks, which means picking the highest available player on this big board for both #4 and #8.

[Ariel]

I found this tidbit interesting: https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/40403204/2024-nba-mock-draft-latest-first-second-round-predictions-all-58-picks

The Spurs are telling rival teams they will be taking a best-player-available approach at picks No. 4 and No. 8 despite having backcourt needs and a lack of shooting and playmaking -- areas they'll need to address in due time. Taking a patient approach seems to be San Antonio's strategy for now, as there are plenty of scenarios in which more attractive options become available in the near future.

San Antonio has expressed increasing interest in Clingan as of late, even going as far as interviewing him in recent days to get to know him better. Some think this might be a case of the Spurs signaling to rivals that the No. 4 pick is where they need to get to if they want to draft Clingan, as opposed to real interest in a fascinating twin-towers lineup with the 7-foot-3 UConn champion and 7-foot-5 Victor Wembanyama.
If it's true the Spurs are trying to entice teams to trade up for no. 4, I wouldn't be so confident in them going with any of the most mentioned players as their top option. Of course, this is also exactly what I would say if I wanted to downplay my interest in one specific player for a trade up, to drive the price down, so who knows. All in all, I wouldn't be shocked if the Spurs come out of this draft with Salaun and/or Bub Carrington. Not my picks, but could see the FO going for either.

[NASpurs]

Salaun at 4 would be a disaster. Legit.

**Taking a swing on Salaun at 8 is one thing, but drafting him over Castle or Sheppard at 4 would be another. I'd never forgive BW tbh.

They also kept saying the Spurs are leaking things as misdirection and smoke screens so there's that :lol Maybe it's because we're too caught up and knowledgable but the video was pretty much worthless from the Ringer. Seemed like a video for the casual.

[scott]

Not said by me, lol. I was never high on Scoot or Amen or Ausar or as even top 3 picks unlike much of the board. The beautiful thing is I put that on record here on multiple threads.

Next year has Cooper Flagg. People are already calling it the Cooper Flagg draft just as tge called last year the Wemby draft. Not quite sure how to respond to your post other than those two points above...wasn't me saying that about Scoot and next year is clearly defined which was my original point.


I'd bet money that Cooper Flagg is going to have a good, but not exceptional year at Duke. He's a physical specimen against high schoolers without a lot of polish, and he cannot shoot. Once people actually watch him play it's going to be feeding season. Good, but not generational. Fortunately the draft looks really solid at top anyway.

Here's a hot take everyone can bookmark for later: Cooper Flagg won't be the #1 pick in next year's draft.

[Leetonidas]

I found this tidbit interesting: https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/40403204/2024-nba-mock-draft-latest-first-second-round-predictions-all-58-picks

If it's true the Spurs are trying to entice teams to trade up for no. 4, I wouldn't be so confident in them going with any of the most mentioned players as their top option. Of course, this is also exactly what I would say if I wanted to downplay my interest in one specific player for a trade up, to drive the price down, so who knows. All in all, I wouldn't be shocked if the Spurs come out of this draft with Salaun and/or Bub Carrington. Not my picks, but could see the FO going for either.

Looking past any smokescreens, if the Spurs are indeed looking to take BPA at 4 and 8 it might signal they are looking to acquire a PG elsewhere...

[exstatic]

Wasn't Ron Holland a clear #1 prospect coming out of high school?

Yeah, and then he lost his mind and went to the gleague ignite non-development program. You can’t stand still for a year, and hope to not get passed by.

[exstatic]

I'd bet money that Cooper Flagg is going to have a good, but not exceptional year at Duke. He's a physical specimen against high schoolers without a lot of polish, and he cannot shoot. Once people actually watch him play it's going to be feeding season. Good, but not generational. Fortunately the draft looks really solid at top anyway.

I think that’s the point. You don’t have to score Flagg to win. It was already a good draft, and then Traore blew up this year, and staked his claim to a top spot.

[LeBowen]

Looking past any smokescreens, if the Spurs are indeed looking to take BPA at 4 and 8 it might signal they are looking to acquire a PG elsewhere...

Imo, if Risacher falls to #4, Garland trade seems like a logical move.
Or take a gamble with Dillingham and hope he turns into a Garland.


Yeah, and then he lost his mind and went to the gleague ignite non-development program. You can’t stand still for a year, and hope to not get passed by.

Obviously, I was just trying to point out it can't be a Flagg draft just yet.

[Kurik]

I know it doesn’t make sense fit wise but something about drafting Clingan at 4 does interest me. For present and future capital/hostage purposes. Going up and getting Detroit’s 5th pick could also help secure one of Risacher, Castle, etc to go with Clingan.

[exstatic]

Imo, if Risacher falls to #4, Garland trade seems like a logical move.
Or take a gamble with Dillingham and hope he turns into a Garland.



Obviously, I was just trying to point out it can't be a Flagg draft just yet.

Right now, that’s the narrative, until it isn’t.

[Bruno]

At that stage, all these rumors are quite overwhelming: some are journalists speculations, some are smokescreen by Spurs, other team or agents and few are true leaks. I'm not paying too much attention to these and just waiting what Spurs will actually do on Wednesday.

Regarding trading up, the rookie salary scale is also a factor to consider: #1 pick will get $57M over 4 years while #4 will get $41M over 4 years. If I'm Spurs, I certainly won't give up a lot to go from Castle paid $41M to Risacher paid $57M. The max I would offer for #1 if #4 + #35 + Hornets fake first round pick.

[scott]

This draft was supposed to be a really good one for PG prospects. Then Wagner, Collier, Proctor all failed to deliver. You never know until that college/international season plays out. Next year's vaunted draft could end up a total flop, but it is loaded with promising prospects as of right now.

To put things in perspective, there are two recruits with 100 ratings (Flagg and Bailey) and then another 5 with 99 ratings (Harper, Malauch, Edgecombe, Johnson, Bethea) and that doesn't even include international guys like Traore - this is just NCAA recruits. Then you still have another 11 guys with 98 ratings. https://247sports.com/season/2024-basketball/recruitrankings/

But compare that to last year's recruiting class, there were NO 100 rated gus, but there were 7 99 rated recruits (Holland, Collier, Justin Edwards, Cody, Bradshaw, Wagner, Buzelis) and 10 guys with 98 ratings. Take a look at the list of these guys last year... lots of them you've never heard of and aren't draft prospects at all, and others were massive disappointments. https://247sports.com/Season/2023-Basketball/RecruitRankings/?InstitutionGroup=HighSchool

Some astute posters will immediately point out that this is all due to the flawed for-profit recruiting industry... and that is correct, but all the hype about next year's draft is based on the EXACT SAME flawed system that put together last year's list.

I pulled up some early mocks from this season... take a look at them and some of the prospects high up:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/2024-nba-mock-draft-uscs-isaiah-collier-goes-no-1-to-trail-blazers-in-first-projection-with-season-underway/

https://hoopshype.com/lists/2024-nba-mock-draft-ron-holland-matas-buzelis-bronny-james/ <--this one is actually not bad, but still has some wild inclusions

https://hoopsdistillery.com/bigboardcomp-sept23/ <--this one has a compilation of a few big boards. Elmarko Jackson in MULTIPLE top 5's!!!

Point being... next year's draft seems promising... but you can't count on it AT ALL. It may end up just as weak as this one, maybe even worse.

[Mugen]

Picking Clingan at 4 or 8 and actually keeping him would be an absolute fireable offense for BWrong tbh.

[DPG21920]

At that stage, all these rumors are quite overwhelming: some are journalists speculations, some are smokescreen by Spurs, other team or agents and few are true leaks. I'm not paying too much attention to these and just waiting what Spurs will actually do on Wednesday.

Regarding trading up, the rookie salary scale is also a factor to consider: #1 pick will get $57M over 4 years while #4 will get $41M over 4 years. If I'm Spurs, I certainly won't give up a lot to go from Castle paid $41M to Risacher paid $57M. The max I would offer for #1 if #4 + #35 + Hornets fake first round pick.

Yup. A scenario I would love and discussed with Eric on Twitter was:

SA trades 4 + CHA pick + 35 + maybe 2 more 2nds for pick 1 and SA takes Reed. This allows ATL to comfortably do the trade and SA pay less as if ATL truly wants Risacher or Clingan, they can guarantee that by SA taking Reed 1 and WAS taking Sarr 2. So ATL gets one of their 2 guys and pays much less and gets some extra draft capital too.

Then when the draft goes: Reed to SA, Sarr to WAS, Clingan/Risacher to HOU and Clingan/Risacher to ATL, SA then trades 8 + 3 2nds (or 1 future heavily protected first) to DET for pick 5 and takes Castle.

Spurs come away with Reed + Castle.

[Mr. Body]

At that stage, all these rumors are quite overwhelming: some are journalists speculations, some are smokescreen by Spurs, other team or agents and few are true leaks. I'm not paying too much attention to these and just waiting what Spurs will actually do on Wednesday.

Regarding trading up, the rookie salary scale is also a factor to consider: #1 pick will get $57M over 4 years while #4 will get $41M over 4 years. If I'm Spurs, I certainly won't give up a lot to go from Castle paid $41M to Risacher paid $57M. The max I would offer for #1 if #4 + #35 + Hornets fake first round pick.

Getting into a second contract with Risacher will be nasty.

[z0sa]

The only thing I'm a bit concerned about with a Reed+Castle draft is the rotation. Vassell isn't a 3, and probably neither is Castle. Reed can't play 3 and is better at the 2 than the 1. Also, Castle+Sochan, at least starting/at the season's beginning, seems like it would be a tough lineup to score on but would have a lot of difficulty spreading the floor and scoring itself.

Does Castle come off the bench, or perhaps Reed in this scenario? Or do we have Reed/Castle/Vassell and have Vassell and Sochan cross-match on D with Castle as well, maybe? Just curious as to others' opinions here.

[djohn2oo8]

Yup. A scenario I would love and discussed with Eric on Twitter was:

SA trades 4 + CHA pick + 35 + maybe 2 more 2nds for pick 1 and SA takes Reed. This allows ATL to comfortably do the trade and SA pay less as if ATL truly wants Risacher or Clingan, they can guarantee that by SA taking Reed 1 and WAS taking Sarr 2. So ATL gets one of their 2 guys and pays much less and gets some extra draft capital too.

Then when the draft goes: Reed to SA, Sarr to WAS, Clingan/Risacher to HOU and Clingan/Risacher to ATL, SA then trades 8 + 3 2nds (or 1 future heavily protected first) to DET for pick 5 and takes Castle.

Spurs come away with Reed + Castle.

looks like Reed is not making it past Houston. Too much smoke on that side today.

[Ariel]

I found this tidbit interesting: https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/40403204/2024-nba-mock-draft-latest-first-second-round-predictions-all-58-picks

If it's true the Spurs are trying to entice teams to trade up for no. 4, I wouldn't be so confident in them going with any of the most mentioned players as their top option. Of course, this is also exactly what I would say if I wanted to downplay my interest in one specific player for a trade up, to drive the price down, so who knows. All in all, I wouldn't be shocked if the Spurs come out of this draft with Salaun and/or Bub Carrington. Not my picks, but could see the FO going for either.
Another interpretation as to why the Spurs would leak to be interested in Clingan: they're trying to make sure anyone insterested in him takes him top 3, so that their actual target slides to 4. Say Atlanta or Houston are interested in Clingan, then they can't trade down beyond the Spurs or they would lose him. Then that may either entice them to take him with their pick, or in the case of a deal, do so with the Spurs for a lower price tag.

[spurraider21]

Picking Clingan at 4 or 8 and actually keeping him would be an absolute fireable offense for BWrong tbh.
tbh taking salaun at 8 is worse than taking clingan at 4 and keeping him

[Mugen]

tbh taking salaun at 8 is worse than taking clingan at 4 and keeping him

Not even close.

Spending a top 5 pick on a backup + forcing Wemby to play out of position again for a big chunk of minutes is significantly worse than taking a home run swing at #8 tbh.

I'd want BWrong's head on a platter if he took Clingan that high and didn't actually trade him.

[DPG21920]

looks like Reed is not making it past Houston. Too much smoke on that side today.

Thats why SA would trade up to pick 1 with ATL in this scenario to get Reed..

[Mr. Body]

Another interpretation as to why the Spurs would leak to be interested in Clingan: they're trying to make sure anyone insterested in him takes him top 3, so that their actual target slides to 4. Say Atlanta or Houston are interested in Clingan, then they can't trade down beyond the Spurs or they would lose him. Then that may either entice them to take him with their pick, or in the case of a deal, do so with the Spurs for a lower price tag.

This kind of analysis is why I pay for the SpursTalk premium service.

[TD 21]

Where did you see the Murray talk?

I didn't. Based on all the information (real or not) I've seen, this is just my gauge of the situation.

I suspect the Spurs are determined to come out of this draft with a guard of some sort in the lottery (more than likely Castle) and that they'll only be open to not doing so if it's for a more immediate long term solution.

[rascal]

Most likely outcome (and I say likely very loosely here lol):

Sarr, Risacher, Reed top 3.

So SA, unless they trade up, starts with that base of players being gone by 4 IMO

Castle is high on their list and they will be very happy they get him at 4.

[rascal]

Thats why SA would trade up to pick 1 with ATL in this scenario to get Reed..

Not a chance the spurs are going to trade up for Reed. Reed is a favorite for some here but the Spurs will draft Castle before Reed.

[scott]

Listening to the Utility Sports mock in the background, and supposedly DEN has made a first round promise to a center.

[PhantomDashCam]

Listening to the Utility Sports mock in the background, and supposedly DEN has made a first round promise to a center.

Daron Holmes has been the rumour for a little while I believe. Wonder what they think of Nnaji if that’s the case?

[BatManu20]

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[rascal]

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Crazy school that Bristol Central

Aaron Hernandez went to that school.
And two of his teammates were also murderers, one killing two cops.

[spurraider21]

Listening to the Utility Sports mock in the background, and supposedly DEN has made a first round promise to a center.
looked him up, just looks like random youtuber w/ opinions. what kind of sauces would he have?

[scott]

looked him up, just looks like random youtuber w/ opinions. what kind of sauces would he have?

My guess is that he's just repeating what he's heard from more connected folks. PhantomDashCam followed up with what apparently has been old news. Sorry, wasn't suggesting that the YouTube had a scoop, just that is where I first heard of it. I don't fully believe anything until Eric Zhang reports it though.

[scott]

Been thinking more about the reports that both NO and PHX would like to move out of their FRP for SRPs.

If the Spurs don't want a 3rd FRP this year, might they still be able to play facilitator role with their abundance of SRPs?

The Mavs, for example, are a team without an FRP this year but a slimmer warchest of SRPs. (Not sure what we'd want out of Dallas for doing this, but this is just an example).

If NO and PHX really want out... I hope we don't let that opportunity slip through our fingers, one way or another.

[spurraider21]

Been thinking more about the reports that both NO and PHX would like to move out of their FRP for SRPs.

If the Spurs don't want a 3rd FRP this year, might they still be able to play facilitator role with their abundance of SRPs?

The Mavs, for example, are a team without an FRP this year but a slimmer warchest of SRPs. (Not sure what we'd want out of Dallas for doing this, but this is just an example).

If NO and PHX really want out... I hope we don't let that opportunity slip through our fingers, one way or another.
Suns probably have a couple of specific targets like Kolek or maybe one of the centers... and if theyre unavailable they will gladly trade out for future picks

[heyheymymy]

Yeah I'm waiting for those DEN claims to be Zhangfirmed

[Mr. Body]

Some talk about Phoenix trading 22 to Utah for 29 and 32. Obviously can't compete with that but the sort of thing teams might want to do.

[scott]

One reminder, if we stay pay at 4 and 8, these kids will be the 5th and 6th highest drafted prospects in Spurs history, with 3 of those guys with rings on their fingers and their numbers retired, and Wemby will eventually join them.

No pressure.

[rascal]

Yup. A scenario I would love and discussed with Eric on Twitter was:

SA trades 4 + CHA pick + 35 + maybe 2 more 2nds for pick 1 and SA takes Reed. This allows ATL to comfortably do the trade and SA pay less as if ATL truly wants Risacher or Clingan, they can guarantee that by SA taking Reed 1 and WAS taking Sarr 2. So ATL gets one of their 2 guys and pays much less and gets some extra draft capital too.

Then when the draft goes: Reed to SA, Sarr to WAS, Clingan/Risacher to HOU and Clingan/Risacher to ATL, SA then trades 8 + 3 2nds (or 1 future heavily protected first) to DET for pick 5 and takes Castle.

Spurs come away with Reed + Castle.

Just draft Cam Spencer in the second round. Not much difference between Sheppard and Spencer.

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I could see a team moving up to take him #1 overall. Clearly the most skilled big man. Might be the most sure fire player for long term success in the draft. Houston, Memphis, Detroit could all use this kid.

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One reminder, if we stay pay at 4 and 8, these kids will be the 5th and 6th highest drafted prospects in Spurs history, with 3 of those guys with rings on their fingers and their numbers retired, and Wemby will eventually join them.

No pressure.

Lol. Hadn't thought of this but you're spot on. That #4 pick especially is gonna have some expectations on him.

[Dverde]

I think it’s Tidjane at #8 and Dilly or Carter with a trade to move lower in the draft. Guessing Utah or Portland trading us #7 for #4.

[BacktoBasics]

I could see a team moving up to take him #1 overall. Clearly the most skilled big man. Might be the most sure fire player for long term success in the draft. Houston, Memphis, Detroit could all use this kid.

I do think trad centers get a wrap that they’re dinosaurs but these big men can definitely find a place. I think a guy like Edey is gonna be overlooked. Clingan has impact potential.

[exstatic]

Some talk about Phoenix trading 22 to Utah for 29 and 32. Obviously can't compete with that but the sort of thing teams might want to do.

Phoenix’s cupboard is pretty bare. They need picks, even if it means moving a bit later in the first round.

[jesterbobman]

There was a point that Givony and Lowe raised on the Lowe post today about second rounders being more valuable now under the current CBA, as the second round exception means that teams can get cheap guys and have them around for a few years of team control, rather than cycling their bench all the time.

I've thought of Phoenix in the past as a team that could be a trade target as they have a bare cupboard, and a 3 seconds for 1 first deal (In past threads, I've suggested 35, 48 and a second in an out year where Phoenix has 0 picks) could be good.

That applies for Phoenix this year (and we couldn't beat Utah if they offer 29 and 32) but it applies to future years as well if we wanted to jump up to grab a late first from one of the (potentially many) teams that are above the 1st / 2nd apron.

It'll be interesting if some of those very early 2nd round picks become in a way more valuable than the late firsts because of how contracts count against the cap and tax. If you move down from late first and save ~ $1m in salary (scale 1st round pick vs minimum, probably don't save that much with NIL impact, etc), and double that / quadruple that in tax, you might prefer the lower cost, particularly if you think the tier of players is flat on draft night.

[Uriel]

I’m beginning to feel like this draft is everyone thinks no one knows what’s really gonna happen on draft night because of all the posturing and the smokescreens, and then come draft day itself, the picks go exactly as expected.

[Big Empty]

Listening to the Utility Sports mock in the background, and supposedly DEN has made a first round promise to a center.the guy from utility sports has been pretty spot on the last 3 years ive watched him. Best youtuber for sure bar none.

[Vienna]

There was a point that Givony and Lowe raised on the Lowe post today about second rounders being more valuable now under the current CBA, as the second round exception means that teams can get cheap guys and have them around for a few years of team control, rather than cycling their bench all the time.

I've thought of Phoenix in the past as a team that could be a trade target as they have a bare cupboard, and a 3 seconds for 1 first deal (In past threads, I've suggested 35, 48 and a second in an out year where Phoenix has 0 picks) could be good.

That applies for Phoenix this year (and we couldn't beat Utah if they offer 29 and 32) but it applies to future years as well if we wanted to jump up to grab a late first from one of the (potentially many) teams that are above the 1st / 2nd apron.

It'll be interesting if some of those very early 2nd round picks become in a way more valuable than the late firsts because of how contracts count against the cap and tax. If you move down from late first and save ~ $1m in salary (scale 1st round pick vs minimum, probably don't save that much with NIL impact, etc), and double that / quadruple that in tax, you might prefer the lower cost, particularly if you think the tier of players is flat on draft night.

I think those scenarios around the Suns are quite realistic. they have this gigantic pay roll, but only 7 players under contract. additionally 4 players with POs, who might opt out or not, this creates more insecurity about how many roster spots they will have to fill. so inexpensive 2nd rounders, that give them additional flexibilty about the contract type, make a lot of sense for them.
I don't think 35+48 for 22 will do it. but what about this scenario: Spurs acquire another 2nd rounder for future picks?
Blazers roster is already well filled, they likely can't bring in another 4 rookies. they might sell the #34 pick for future 2nd rounders.
so if Spurs offer 34, 35, 48 to the Suns for 22, that might get it done.

[Mr. Body]

As a note, not a lot of Spurs second round picks are early in the round. They're mostly mediocre.

The two SRPs that the Charlotte pick will convert to may be, however, if they don't get their act together.

[quentin_compson]

I wonder how many front offices will deviate from the usual BPA drafting strategy this year.
Our Spurs are indeed in an interesting situation having two top 8 picks. In what is projected to be a rather weak and flat draft, do you just go for BPA both at 4 or 8 or does fit play a bigger role than it usually does (and should) when picking in the lottery? Do you try and go for two different player archetypes? Do you go for a rather "safe pick" (as much as there are any in this draft) at 4 and then go swinging for the fences and select possibly high upside but also higher bust potential at 8?
Lots of interesting scenarios that could possibly make sense - there is a reason this thread has reached well over 400 pages already ...

Personally, I hope the Spurs won't pick two guys of the "if only his shooting will come around he might be great" mold. To me, Castle seems like a bigger reach in the top 5 than for most (be it here or in more "official" mock drafts). Then again, I am only going by what I have read and heard (via podcasts) about him.

[exstatic]

I’m beginning to feel like this draft is everyone thinks no one knows what’s really gonna happen on draft night because of all the posturing and the smokescreens, and then come draft day itself, the picks go exactly as expected.

They might do just that, but two players I think may be traded up for are Reed and Clingan.

[exstatic]

As a note, not a lot of Spurs second round picks are early in the round. They're mostly mediocre.

The two SRPs that the Charlotte pick will convert to may be, however, if they don't get their act together.

If Chicago burns it down to tank, that 2025 SRP will be nice, too. Another sneaky good one might be the 2026 Utah SRP we got from Minny last year. If they are truly shopping Lauri, then they’re in the tank for 2025, and will likely be bad the following year, too.

[John B]

One more day bitches..

I’m happy with any of Castle, Sarr and Sheppard at 4. I concede Risacher is gone by 4.

Then any of Carter, Dilly, Salaun Buzelis and Williams at 8 is okay.

I’m intrigued with Salaun having a higher standing reach than AD and Adebayo. Already a big kid, if Salaun grows anymore, he could be a brute force in the paint. I’d be happy to take a swing at Salaun or Williams.
Carter means having a tenacious POA defender. Not sexy and very Spursy. I’d be okay at 8.
Knecht is meh at 8, but I would understand.
I have doubts on Buzelis and Holland, I’d be surprised if Spurs picked them at 8.
Topic at 8 could mean Spurs saw a future PG and willing to wait another year. I’d be okay if Spurs is high on Topic at 8.

Clingan at top 3 would be great for the Spurs.

[djohn2oo8]

Thats why SA would trade up to pick 1 with ATL in this scenario to get Reed..
You like Reed over Sarr there?

[Notorious H.O.P.]

Found this on a Washington fan site. YODA was used to rank the players and the results are interesting.

WARNING. Some members of SpursTalk may be shocked by the disturbing information contained within. Reader discretion is advised.

https://www.bulletsforever.com/2024/6/24/24184539/nba-draft-2024-prospect-big-board-alex-sarr-reed-sheppard-donovan-clingan-washington-wizards

[Uriel]

Really hope this latest ESPN mock saying the Hawks have their eyes on Risacher is just a really convincing bluff by Atlanta to extract maximum value in a trade down scenario, and that their real target all along is Clingan.

[Vienna]

it sounds odd to trade for another FRP, when the draft is allegedly weak. on the other hand, this is the reason why the picks might be available at a reasonable price.
let's assume either 21, 22, 24 might be available for SRPs.
the appeal of a pick in that region is, that it might work as a tailhook for that player who, for whatever reason, falls out of the lottery. that's where you luck into the Tyrese Maxey's of the draft.
that guy might be Walter in this draft. or Topic. even Dillingham. Carrington. Carter, da Silva, Knecht, because of their age. the list is not complete. lot's of scenarios come to mind.
and if there isn't this steal, you can still trade the pick, some team will call during the five minutes.

[Mr. Body]

it sounds odd to trade for another FRP, when the draft is allegedly weak. on the other hand, this is the reason why the picks might be available at a reasonable price.
let's assume either 21, 22, 24 might be available for SRPs.
the appeal of a pick in that region is, that it might work as a tailhook for that player who, for whatever reason, falls out of the lottery. that's where you luck into the Tyrese Maxey's of the draft.
that guy might be Walter in this draft. or Topic. even Dillingham. Carrington. Carter, da Silva, Knecht, because of their age. the list is not complete. lot's of scenarios come to mind.
and if there isn't this steal, you can still trade the pick, some team will call during the five minutes.

Right now the draft looks pretty deep. It's not great at top. Some drafts are basically over before the lottery is even done and this looks like it could go for a while.

[rascal]

You like Reed over Sarr there?

Crazy how over rated Sheppard is

When Cam Spencer will give you the same as Reed and he's a second round pick

[Vienna]

Right now the draft looks pretty deep. It's not great at top. Some drafts are basically over before the lottery is even done and this looks like it could go for a while.

would be another reason to go for a pick in the low 20s.
maybe it's a bit like 2020 without Ant. (who wasn't a sure thing back then as well, with the weak shooting and the TOs)
a lot of quality in the lower half of 1st round. Spurs would be pretty happy to come out with a Maxey, McDaniels or Quickley from this draft.

[Mr. Body]

Players like McCain, Furphy, Kyshawn George, Filipowski, Missi, Kolek, Tyler Smith, etc., could tumble into the 20s. I'm not sure how great any of them will be, but they're fairly promising.

[Notorious H.O.P.]

I'm starting to think this is way too much analysis. Let's just go all the way back to the basics and put one of the bands back together again.

4- Reed Sheppard
8 - Robert Dillingham
35 - Justin Edwards
48 - Antonio Reeves

4/8 - Donovan Clingan/Stephon Castle
35 - Cam Spencer
48 - Tristan Newton

Put them all in the starting lineup with Wemby.

Done.

[Mr. Body]

I'm starting to think this is way too much analysis. Let's just go all the way back to the basics and put one of the bands back together again.

4- Reed Sheppard
8 - Robert Dillingham
35 - Justin Edwards
48 - Antonio Reeves

4/8 - Donovan Clingan/Stephon Castle
35 - Cam Spencer
48 - Tristan Newton

Put them all in the starting lineup with Wemby.

Done.

Move them out in shifts offense-defense like in hockey.

[Notorious H.O.P.]

Found this on a Washington fan site. YODA was used to rank the players and the results are interesting.

WARNING. Some members of SpursTalk may be shocked by the disturbing information contained within. Reader discretion is advised.

https://www.bulletsforever.com/2024/6/24/24184539/nba-draft-2024-prospect-big-board-alex-sarr-reed-sheppard-donovan-clingan-washington-wizards

BTW, the TLDR...

Buzelis and Risacher grade outside the first round.

Salaun and Williams grade as value second round or undrafted picks.

[BatManu20]

27 years ago :cry

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[BatManu20]

I'm starting to think this is way too much analysis. Let's just go all the way back to the basics and put one of the bands back together again.

4- Reed Sheppard
8 - Robert Dillingham
35 - Justin Edwards
48 - Antonio Reeves

4/8 - Donovan Clingan/Stephon Castle
35 - Cam Spencer
48 - Tristan Newton

Put them all in the starting lineup with Wemby.

Done.

Despite his disappointing season, Edwards at 35 would be a steal imo. He has good size and athleticism for a modern SF and projects as a potentially valuable 3 & D piece down the road with some seasoning. Think he gets scooped up before that though.

[Mr. Body]

Despite his disappointing season, Edwards at 35 would be a steal imo. He has good size and athleticism for a modern SF and projects as a potentially valuable 3 & D piece down the road with some seasoning. Think he gets scooped up before that though.

This is the problem with just looking at size and protecting some tile. He never looked like an NBA player to me. I'd be more interested in Reaves.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I'm starting to think this is way too much analysis. Let's just go all the way back to the basics and put one of the bands back together again.

4- Reed Sheppard
8 - Robert Dillingham
35 - Justin Edwards
48 - Antonio Reeves

4/8 - Donovan Clingan/Stephon Castle
35 - Cam Spencer
48 - Tristan Newton

Put them all in the starting lineup with Wemby.

Done.

And next year throw the bag at Bob Hurley to replace Pop!!!!

[BatManu20]

This is the problem with just looking at size and protecting some tile. He never looked like an NBA player to me. I'd be more interested in Reaves.

I'm basing this off what I saw out of him as a Freshman. I agree he didn't stand out much, hence why I said he had a disappointing season and why he's projected as a fringe First Rounder despite his physical profile. But he still shot 37% from 3 on almost 3 attempts per game and played solid defense for that UK team. He was probably their 2nd best defender after Shepherd. Shot near 49% overall from the field and averaged 9 PPG as an 18 year-old. There's definitely tools there to work with if you're looking to take a flyer on a 3&D wing to try to develop and surround Wemby with. He may not ever be more than a bench contributor at the next level, but there's value in that, especially as a 2nd Round pick. You're typically just taking chances on upside as that point anyways.

[spurraider21]

I'd be more interested in Reaves.
we could have used some of this spirit last offseason

[spurraider21]

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[BatManu20]

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Interesting. I've been holding onto the belief that he would still be the #1 Pick to ATL, but maybe not after seeing this. I mean they could still take him obv, but not sure you want to take a guy who clearly doesn't want to be there if he won't even work out or take an interview with you.

Guess this is why they've reportedly become interested in Clingan, cause they desperately need a replacement for Capella. I don't personally think Risacher is worth the #1 Overall Pick, and they may not either, but they may be forced to take him there regardless if Clingan isn't their guy. Weird spot to be put in for Atlanta tbh. For the sake of their draft picks that own, I hope they go Risacher over Clingan as Clingan would certainly make them better over the short term.

[SpursDynasty85]

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I don't see anything wrong with Atlanta publicly stating this. This is probably a question people are confirming constantly. Might as well tell the league they are shopping Alexandre Sarr. Maybe in Washington gives up some assets.

[Mr. Body]

Try to get something out of the Wiz and swap. Pretend you have suitors or something. Or just take him anyway.

[BatManu20]

Also odd that Sarr's camp wants him in Washington so badly tbh. He's not friends with Coulibaly as far I can tell so that's not the reason. You'd think he would want to play with Trae and Co over Jordan Poole and the mess they have up there in DC. Would definitely make his transition easier to the NBA playing alongside Trae + just being the 1st Overall Pick and getting a larger contract. Pretty strange tbh.

[Leetonidas]

Also odd that Sarr's camp wants him in Washington so badly tbh. He's not friends with Coulibaly as far I can tell so that's not reason. You'd think he would want to play with Trae and Co over Jordan Poole. Would definitely make his transition easier to the NBA playing alongside Trae + just being the 1st Overall Pick and getting a larger contract. Pretty strange tbh.

I assume it's because he wants to play PF not C and Washington is basically a blank slate whereas ATL has Jalen Johnson at PF. Plus he probably thinks he'll be pigeonholed into being a 4th option and wants a large role on offense. imho

[BatManu20]

The Hawks behind closed doors are probably begging the Spurs to take the 1st Pick for their picks back tbh :lol. That'd be much more appealing for them if they could drop to #4 and take Clingan there while getting back just one of their FRP's from us. Hopefully the Spurs are smarter than that.

[BatManu20]

I assume it's because he wants to play PF not C and Washington is basically a blank slate whereas ATL has Jalen Johnson at PF. Plus he probably thinks he'll be pigeonholed into being a 4th option and wants a large role on offense. imho

Yea pretty much the only logical reason tbh. He wants to be the #1 option with no expectations. He knows he'd be a rim-running role player in ATL next to Trae and his ball-dominance. He hasn't really proven he's anything more than that though as of yet, but it's understandable that he wants to prove he can be without any expectations I guess.

[spurraider21]

i think they end up selecting sarr and washington gives them a little compensation for the swap, where the hawks presumably take risacher. they've had a hole at SF for a while now and they know Hunter isnt it. Risacher and Jalen Johnson at the forward position gives them solid size, athleticism, shooting, and defensive switch-ability

[BatManu20]

i think they end up selecting sarr and washington gives them a little compensation for the swap, where the hawks presumably take risacher. they've had a hole at SF for a while now and they know Hunter isnt it. Risacher and Jalen Johnson at the forward position gives them solid size, athleticism, shooting, and defensive switch-ability

Makes the most sense. I'd be interested to see what that compensation would be though. No way they give up a FRP to move up one spot for Sarr imo unless it's heavily protected imo.

If ATL believes he's their guy, they should just doing the right thing for their franchise and draft him anyways.

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs are in position to snake in and steal Sarr from Washington if they really wanted. Atlanta's own picks wouldn't be necessary. Just start with the Charlotte pick, add the Chicago pick if you want, other assets like seconds or taking on salary.

Then Atlanta gets either Clingan or Risacher at 4, whichever is left.

[spurraider21]

Makes the most sense. I'd be interested to see what that compensation would be though. No way they give up a FRP to move up one spot for Sarr imo unless it's heavily protected imo.

If ATL believes he's their guy, they should just doing the right thing for their franchise and draft him anyways.
i dont think it would be a first either, not in this draft. i think it ends up being something like a couple of SRPs or some protected swap

washington got a bunch of crap SRPs from phoenix in the beal trade

[BatManu20]

The Spurs are in position to snake in and steal Sarr from Washington if they really wanted. Atlanta's own picks wouldn't be necessary. Just start with the Charlotte pick, add the Chicago pick if you want, other assets like seconds or taking on salary.

Then Atlanta gets either Clingan or Risacher at 4, whichever is left.

If he's avoiding ATL cause he doesn't want to play second fiddle to Trae, then he almost certainly doesn't want to play second fiddle to Wemby tbh.

[scott]

Sarr will be a bust. The fact that he WANTS to go to DC is the last piece of evidence I needed to confirm it :lol

[BatManu20]

Sarr will be a bust. The fact that he WANTS to go to DC is the last piece of evidence I needed to confirm it :lol

:lol tbh. His upside is real, especially on the defensive end, just given his physical tools, athleticism, and coordination. But I agree that I definitely don't see a #1 option offensively in him. He'd be better off playing next to a star like Trae that could set him up imo. Or as a secondary piece to a guy like Wemby (hypothetically speaking). In that sense, he could become an important piece to the puzzle. If you're expecting him to be your savior, then I think you're in trouble.

[LeBowen]

Sarr will be a bust. The fact that he WANTS to go to DC is the last piece of evidence I needed to confirm it :lol

Tbh, if it's between Wizards and Hawks, I'm taking Wizards.
Hawks will probably treadmill while we have their picks and then blow it up.
Wizards have some solid young players that kind of fit with Sarr.

[Mr. Body]

If he's avoiding ATL cause he doesn't want to play second fiddle to Trae, then he almost certainly doesn't want to play second fiddle to Wemby tbh.

It's not that he doesn't want to be second fiddle. That would be insane, as he has limited offensive skills. It's that he wants to play PF and have time to develop, where Atlanta already has a player there. His agent already steered Luka away from Atlanta, so maybe he just hates the place.

[Mr. Body]

Tbh, if it's between Wizards and Hawks, I'm taking Wizards.
Hawks will probably treadmill while we have their picks and then blow it up.
Wizards have some solid young players that kind of fit with Sarr.

Easily. Atlanta is stuck in mud, has a player everyone hates in Trae, has an awful fanbase, and is in a city that is just a massive congested freeway.

[CGD]

Sarr will be a bust. The fact that he WANTS to go to DC is the last piece of evidence I needed to confirm it :lol

I do wonder if Sarr somehow falls, whether the choice between him or Clingan is closer than we think. I'm of the view that it would be malpractice for the Spurs not to take one of those two at 4 (assuming ZR, Shepard, and Castle are gone), if only to preserve the asset.

[R. DeMurre]

I've seen a few interviews where Sarr is extremely complimentary about Wemby. Doesn't seem like he'd have an issue playing with him.

[BatManu20]

Easily. Atlanta is stuck in mud, has a player everyone hates in Trae, has an awful fanbase, and is in a city that is just a massive congested freeway.

One of the worst cities ever to drive in. Legit. Did it once in a rental and will never again. I avoid ATL altogether tbh.

[BatManu20]

I've seen a few interviews where Sarr is extremely complimentary about Wemby. Doesn't seem like he'd have an issue playing with him.

If all it cost the Spurs was the CHA or CHI pick + 4 then I'd be all in tbh. But that's highly unlikely. I don't see ATL trading down 3 spots for either of those picks, and I don't think WAS would trade down period with Sarr on the board unless it was for the ATL pick(s) either. Just seems highly unlikely he's not a Hawk or Wizard tomorrow night.

[R. DeMurre]

Kinda crazy to think that Jalen Johnson dropped in the draft because of supposed character issues, and now he might be the guy Atlanta rebuilds around. The Spurs picked the anti-Jalen Johnson in Primo in part because he had high character. It's not easy work predicting how 18 and 19 years olds will behave.

[tonight...you]

One of the worst cities ever to drive in. Legit. Did it once in a rental and will never again. I avoid ATL altogether tbh.
Lol, when I had to move from TX to Durham, NC my buddy gave me one piece of advice for driving there:
Avoid Atlanta at all costs.

[scott]

Atlanta may look currently stuck in the mud, but their best bet is to move Trae or DJM for some other established pieces, and they already have some other tools that can get them in the playoffs. The Hawks problem (IMO) is that it's a poorly constructed roster.

Washington on the other hand will be a lottery team until they strike it big for a legit transformational player in the draft (which may come next year, we'll have to wait and see). Sarr won't be that transformational player. Unlike teams like Spurs, Thunder and Jazz, WAS does not have a warchest of FRPs at their disposal to make moves with either, nor do they have a player like DJM that they can go out and secure a bag of picks with.

The more I think about it, the more I would rate WAS as the least optimistic future in the NBA. DET and CHA have better young talent, POR has better pieces as well, the Nets are in a bit of a dire situation themselves but they have some veterans who could help them replenish the pick coffers if they would simply wake the fuck up, monetize them, and start the rebuild. If the Spurs didn't have Wemby, we'd probably WAS nearest competitor for least optimistic future, but we'd have a boatload of picks that they don't.

[scott]

Traffic, weather and backwoods hillbillies aside, Atlanta is actually a really cool city. I've enjoyed my visits there, they have a lot of cool modern urban revitalization going on there.

But... I always take Ubers :lol

(Of course, DC is also a very cool city and it holds a lot of appeal for foreigners of professional ranks, for reasons I've never understood.)

[Mr. Body]

If all it cost the Spurs was the CHA or CHI pick + 4 then I'd be all in tbh. But that's highly unlikely. I don't see ATL trading down 3 spots for either of those picks, and I don't think WAS would trade down period with Sarr on the board unless it was for the ATL pick(s) either. Just seems highly unlikely he's not a Hawk or Wizard tomorrow night.

I think I disagree. I see Atlanta as having been desperate to move down and trying to make scorching eye contact across the bar at the Spurs. They were trying this with Risacher and it wasn't working. Now, I doubt it works for Sarr, but from what I've been sensing, Atlanta would be happy to squeeze assets out of this draft and still get one of their players.

But I don't think it happens.

[Knoxxx]

The MSN article I saw today said that ATL wants to deal but SAS does not. Of course the return of the ATL 2025 draft pick was mentioned as a key obstacle. Sorry I lost track of the link, MSN just recycles other news sources or in this case draft rumors.

[exstatic]

Also odd that Sarr's camp wants him in Washington so badly tbh. He's not friends with Coulibaly as far I can tell so that's not the reason. You'd think he would want to play with Trae and Co over Jordan Poole and the mess they have up there in DC. Would definitely make his transition easier to the NBA playing alongside Trae + just being the 1st Overall Pick and getting a larger contract. Pretty strange tbh.

With his 2026 opt out, I think Trae is gone, possibly this summer, but almost certainly next. They also have a negative pick count, where Washington scored some in the Beal deal.

[rascal]

The Spurs are in position to snake in and steal Sarr from Washington if they really wanted. Atlanta's own picks wouldn't be necessary. Just start with the Charlotte pick, add the Chicago pick if you want, other assets like seconds or taking on salary.

Then Atlanta gets either Clingan or Risacher at 4, whichever is left.

Atlanta is in no hurry to trade the top pick especially to the Spurs for those trash picks from Charlotte and Chicago.

[CGD]

Traffic, weather and backwoods hillbillies aside, Atlanta is actually a really cool city. I've enjoyed my visits there, they have a lot of cool modern urban revitalization going on there.

But... I always take Ubers :lol

(Of course, DC is also a very cool city and it holds a lot of appeal for foreigners of professional ranks, for reasons I've never understood.)

Re DC: it's the embassies, think tanks, proximity to other cool US cities, and stable middle class jobs due to the presence of the federal government.

Atlanta is awesome. Lovely people and beautiful women.

[R. DeMurre]

Sarr will be a bust. The fact that he WANTS to go to DC is the last piece of evidence I needed to confirm it :lol


Have to confess, I have a similar bias thinking about Dillingham choosing both Kanye's Donda Academy and Overtime Elite. The Kentucky decision redeems him a little bit. :lol

[scott]

With his 2026 opt out, I think Trae is gone, possibly this summer, but almost certainly next. They also have a negative pick count, where Washington scored some in the Beal deal.

WAS only got swaps (the first of which already passed as moot) and SRPs in the Beal deal. They did get a Top 20 Protected 2030 FRP from GS (lol) in the Paul-Poole swap. The FRP immediately turns into a 2030 SRP if not conveyed.

Washington doesn't really have a pick war chest either, unless they can start converting some of these SRPs into FRPs.

[Uriel]

The MSN article I saw today said that ATL wants to deal but SAS does not. Of course the return of the ATL 2025 draft pick was mentioned as a key obstacle. Sorry I lost track of the link, MSN just recycles other news sources or in this case draft rumors.
Good. SA shouldn’t bite no matter what ATL says. Call their bluff and watch them pick Clingan. And if they pick Risacher? No problem, pick Castle at #4. You win either way.

[Mr. Body]

Atlanta is in no hurry to trade the top pick especially to the Spurs for those trash picks from Charlotte and Chicago.

Yeah, by every indication they want to get something more out of the pick.

[jesterbobman]

Offensively, I think Sarr is interested in being able to be a face up forward / centre, rather than just setting 80 screens a game for Trae. I think Clingan is probably better at that role than Sarr is, and Sarr doubles up with Jalen Johnson a bit. I'd still take Sarr as Atlanta as I think he's the best prospect in the draft (along with Sheppard), but I understand why Sarr (his camp etc) may think that it's a bad fit.

[spurraider21]

i dont think sarr's issue with ATL is that he doesnt want to play second fiddle. the guy went to NBL to be a backup instead of playing somewhere he could be more featured

i think he is trying to find a situation where he can personally succeed, and in Atlanta, he looks like he would be forced to play as primarily a rim running center who finishes pick and rolls and from the dunker spot. wemby had quotes himself about not wanting to be "put in a box" as a traditional center, so he also had preferences. everyone here seems to love castle even though he is actively trying to avoid several teams because he insists on playing point guard (and also wants an easy path to a starting job...).

sarr probably doesnt see his path to success as being a capela/deandre jordan type rim runner. the scouting reports on him say he's not a good pick and roll player. doesnt set good screens, doesnt have the timing down on rolls, doesnt have great hands

washington gives him more of an opportunity to develop his perimeter skills, face up game, etc.

i dont think its him saying "washington is an amazing franchise/atmosphere"... its just that he thinks theres a better opportunity for him to develop there into his max potential

[rascal]

Yeah, by every indication they want to get something more out of the pick.

Of course they will want their unprotected picks back and the spurs are not trading those.

[PhantomDashCam]

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Growth Plates…Activate…

[Knoxxx]

Good. SA shouldn’t bite no matter what ATL says. Call their bluff and watch them pick Clingan. And if they pick Risacher? No problem, pick Castle at #4. You win either way.

It popped up again:

Spurs not interested in doing Hawks favors in trade for No. 1 pick (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer/spurs-not-interested-in-doing-hawks-favors-in-trade-for-no-1-pick/ar-BB1oRDvk?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=de89b41670a54f1db172253d7543aacf&ei=23)

[DPG21920]

You like Reed over Sarr there?

I do personally prefer Reed for Sa

[scott]

It popped up again:

Spurs not interested in doing Hawks favors in trade for No. 1 pick (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/soccer/spurs-not-interested-in-doing-hawks-favors-in-trade-for-no-1-pick/ar-BB1oRDvk?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=de89b41670a54f1db172253d7543aacf&ei=23)

Really good to see our FO excerting the upper hand here.

I'm here for the Brian Wright "fuck 'em all" era.

[spurraider21]

I do personally prefer Reed for Sa
its somewhat close. in a vacuum sarr is the more tantalizing prospect. but sheppard checks the big boxes for what the spurs need

shooting
defense (kind of. he has his weaknesses but seems to be able to compensate for it)
point guard play
transition play (his outlet passes and ability to intuitively fill shooting lanes)

i dont think the gap in "bpa" here is significant enough to make up for the seemingly perfect fit. but id be pretty happy with either

[TD 21]

Givony claimed yesterday that the scuttlebutt around the league is that maybe the Spurs would be open to putting some level of protection on the Hawks '25 1st.

One of the so-called Hawks insiders claimed the '25 1st would be the most likely piece coming back as well.

Again though, whatever feasibility this has hinges on someone not trading up to 3 for Clingan.

[spurraider21]

my updated final board. as the spurstalk 2024 march madness champion, this is authoritative

Tier 1 - I would be happy if we selected him at #4 overall

Risacher
Sheppard
Dillingham
Sarr

Tier 2 - I would be content with selecting him at #4, but would be happy getting him at #8

Holland
Castle* (not point guard)

Tier 3 - I would be content with selecting him at #8
Cody Williams
Clingan
Buzelis

Tier 4 - I could live with selecting him at #8

Carter
Castle* (as a point guard)
Knecht
Topic
Collier

Tier 5 - I will have a meltdown

Salaun


basically, how much i like Castle is predicated on how i think they intend to use him. if he's drafted at 4 and dillingham is taken at 8, its great. if he's drafted at 4 but cody williams/knecht/salaun or whatever and its clear the plan is to force him at PG, then im unhappy. now if somehow the board shaped up in a way where we landed risacher and castle, it would soften the blow of the Castle PG thing

[DPG21920]

its somewhat close. in a vacuum sarr is the more tantalizing prospect. but sheppard checks the big boxes for what the spurs need

shooting
defense (kind of. he has his weaknesses but seems to be able to compensate for it)
point guard play
transition play (his outlet passes and ability to intuitively fill shooting lanes)

i dont think the gap in "bpa" here is significant enough to make up for the seemingly perfect fit. but id be pretty happy with either

Agree I’d be happy with Sarr or Reed and I think AtL 25 straight up for pick 1 makes sense value wise for both teams. Stein reporting Sa is trying to move up for Sarr

[Mr. Body]

Givony claimed yesterday that the scuttlebutt around the league is that maybe the Spurs would be open to putting some level of protection on the Hawks '25 1st.

One of the so-called Hawks insiders claimed the '25 1st would be the most likely piece coming back as well.

Again though, whatever feasibility this has hinges on someone not trading up to 3 for Clingan.

Givony is so desperate for this to happen.

[objective]

I don't know why there would be a likelihood someone would target 3 for a trade to get Clingan when there's little chance the Spurs take him at 4. Cheaper to target 4 or 5.

[4lifecowboy]

Atlanta is in no hurry to trade the top pick especially to the Spurs for those trash picks from Charlotte and Chicago.

I read today that Houston would be willing to trade 3 for 8 and the Chicago and/or the Charlotte pick(s). I would absolutely do that if Risacher and Castle are still on the board.

[Mr. Body]

What's the point of putting protections on the 2025 pick? Kind of destroys much of the appeal of that pick.

[BatManu20]

:lol Man’s voice is deeper than Kyrie’s bag

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[spurraider21]

Agree I’d be happy with Sarr or Reed and I think AtL 25 straight up for pick 1 makes sense value wise for both teams. Stein reporting Sa is trying to move up for Sarr
i dont know about that. by taking the #1 pick off of them, we are also making that ATL 25 pick better, since they lose the ability to improve themselves via the draft. from a value perspective i could go with the 2027 pick. but that also contemplates the spurs taking 3 players (#1, #4, and #8) and finding time to develop them all. also, pushing in chips to maximize picks in a weak draft seems impulsive

[objective]

Don't know if protections would even be legal if the Spurs want the pick eventually

If atl keeps the pick, how could it possibly eventually transfer to the Spurs when 26 and 27 are already encumbered?

Does it become a protected 29 pick? Does it just disappear into a second rounder

Seems implausible

[Mr. Body]

There's no conceivable way the Hawks trade away their #1 draft pick without anything to show out of this draft. Their fanbase would put them on the guillotine.

[TD 21]

I don't know why there would be a likelihood someone would target 3 for a trade to get Clingan when there's little chance the Spurs take him at 4. Cheaper to target 4 or 5.

In this hypothetical, the Spurs would take Clingan at 4 because it'd be part of a trade for Risacher at 1.



Don't know if protections would even be legal if the Spurs want the pick eventually

If atl keeps the pick, how could it possibly eventually transfer to the Spurs when 26 and 27 are already encumbered?

Does it become a protected 29 pick? Does it just disappear into a second rounder

Seems implausible

I was thinking that too. My sense is it'd have to be a one shot deal and if it didn't convey it'd have to convert to a 1st of some sort in '28 or '29.

[BatManu20]

If the Spurs trade ATL's 2025 or 2026 FRP to move up for a wildcard in Risacher, we riot. That's all I know.

[BatManu20]

FWIW -- Via CBS Sports' new mock they just released an hour ago:


"The thing I keep hearing about the Spurs is that shooting is going to be a requisite... They do not want anymore non-shooters." (4:22 mark)


Not exactly rocket science that we badly need shooting, but if we pass on Castle for Salaun or Knecht, we also riot.


RbJ70Nkbypk

[BacktoBasics]

I don’t understand how Sarr would fit alongside Wemby. Risacher makes sense but I don’t see much reason to move up and let go of future capital unless the framework involves Young or Murray.

[Vienna]

What‘s the deal? They trade #1 for #4 and Spurs accept a top 1 protection on the 2025 pick? at least it’s an interesting approach.

[Ariel]

:lol Man’s voice is deeper than Kyrie’s bag

1805685100752855189

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1fIH6GMIJg
First thing that came to mind :lol

PS: voice sounds different at the end, there's some sort of sound effect there.

[DPG21920]

i dont know about that. by taking the #1 pick off of them, we are also making that ATL 25 pick better, since they lose the ability to improve themselves via the draft. from a value perspective i could go with the 2027 pick. but that also contemplates the spurs taking 3 players (#1, #4, and #8) and finding time to develop them all. also, pushing in chips to maximize picks in a weak draft seems impulsive

If spurs like Sarr it’s hard to argue getting a bird in hand with him isn’t a good idea at expense of 25 pick especially because if that encourages atl to blow it up then 26 & 27 are now more valuable too.

Really hard to argue , even in a weak draft, that guaranteed #1 in a draft for Dejounte with 2 additional picks isn’t a massive win. Massive.

I can see not doing it too easily. Especially if they don’t love Sarr. But if Sa likes the pairing? 100% justified and imo once you strip away “number one pick” ego on atl side value wise it’s fair too (whether atl agree or would take that optics hit is another thing)

My guess is it would mean Trae deal is already lined up for ATL simultaneously

[BatManu20]

I don’t understand how Sarr would fit alongside Wemby. Risacher makes sense but I don’t see much reason to move up and let go of future capital unless the framework involves Young or Murray.

Not happening anyways. If the Spurs move up, it's for Risacher.

[spurraider21]

FWIW -- Via CBS Sports' new mock they just released an hour ago:


"The thing I keep hearing about the Spurs is that shooting is going to be a requisite... They do not want anymore non-shooters." (4:22 mark)


Not exactly rocket science that we badly need shooting, but if we pass on Castle for Salaun or Knecht, we also riot.


RbJ70Nkbypk
the thing with castle is he isnt just a poor/mediocre shooter. he's a non-shooter. his shooting numbers are worse than sochan and wesley's college shooting numbers

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQ2IQMDWkAAA-lO?format=jpg&name=large

[Ariel]

I'm starting to think this is way too much analysis. Let's just go all the way back to the basics and put one of the bands back together again.

4- Reed Sheppard
8 - Robert Dillingham
35 - Justin Edwards
48 - Antonio Reeves
Notn a fan of taking both Sheppard and Dillingham, but other than that, this makes too much sense. If only I could say the same about the Spurs' FO.

[Mr. Body]

Not happening anyways. If the Spurs move up, it's for Risacher.

No, that bird has flown. They don't seem to have had any interest.

The reason this story is popping is because Sarr is now available.

[TD 21]

I don’t understand how Sarr would fit alongside Wemby. Risacher makes sense but I don’t see much reason to move up and let go of future capital unless the framework involves Young or Murray.

One of two things should happen tomorrow night:

1) Someone trades up to 3 for Clingan and they select Sheppard at 4

2) No one trades up to 3 for Clingan, they select him at 4 and trade it as part of a package of picks + a player (Johnson? Jones? Graham?) for 1 (Risacher) and Murray.

What will happen tomorrow night: Spurs select Castle at 4.

[Pauleta14]

Givony is so desperate for this to happen.

Not as much as ATL

I'd be ready to give A LOT if I was ATL to get 25' back

[BatManu20]

the thing with castle is he isnt just a poor/mediocre shooter. he's a non-shooter. his shooting numbers are worse than sochan and wesley's college shooting numbers

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQ2IQMDWkAAA-lO?format=jpg&name=large


Yea you're definitely banking on that shot improvement obviously, but it's a risk I'm willing to take personally if I'm the Spurs (assuming Zacc and Reed are both gone). I keep going back to the Jimmy Butler and Jrue Holiday comparisons because they all shared so many similarities as Freshman in college in terms of strengths and weaknesses, as well as shooting %'s.

I also know that Castle is arguably the best perimeter defender in this draft and is good at just about everything else. He's got a really good physical profile and contributed big minutes to a National Champion UCONN team this season as a true Freshman. I know how much be loves ball based on interviews and what Coach Hurley and their coaching staff have to say about him. He's not a knucklehead and he's not social media obsessed -- He's just a hooper. He's exactly the type of hard-nosed player and high-character kid PATFO typically look for when it comes to he draft. His jumper is the only thing from keeping him from being an All-Star caliber player in the coming years. To me, that's easily worth a swing at 4 in a weak draft. If he hits,

Besides, who are you taking instead of him at 4 if the other 3 guys are gone? Salaun or Cody Williams? If they want to swing on them at 4 then so be it, but to draft either of them at 4 over Castle would be misconduct imo.

[Joseph Kony]

Update:We are down to basically two choices:
Take Sarr and get the Wizards to move up to get him. Wizards want him badly. #1 for #2 and #26 or something like that in value. We would take Clingan at #2 or take Risacher for the below scenario.
Take Risacher and either keep him or flip him to the Spurs. This would be like the old Elton Brand for Tyson Chandler trade. The Bulls back then would only do that trade if Curry was there for them at #4 in that draft. When Atlanta...sigh...passed on Gasol by flipping him for SAR the Bulls got their guy and made the trade. If the Hawks had taken Curry or traded it to someone else that took Curry...the Bulls don't do the deal.
So in this case if Clingan is there at 4 the Spurs take him and we swap guys plus pick up our 2025 and 2027 firsts.
In that scenario we turn Risacher into Clingan and our 2025 and 2027 unprotected firsts back. Spurs still have the pick swap in 2026.
If Clingan is gone...we just keep Risacher.
This seems to be the current thinking of the FO. Again, this can change. Teams are upping their interest in #1, DJM, Capela and Hunter. I'm hearing teams are making pitches for AJ and Kobe as well.

From one of the so-called insiders on Hawksquawk...this basically proves to me this dude doesnt know jack shit if he thinks the Spurs would give them #4 and their 25/27 picks for the #1 pick in this shit draft

[scott]

What‘s the deal? They trade #1 for #4 and Spurs accept a top 1 protection on the 2025 pick? at least it’s an interesting approach.

Gross. I'm ready to give this FO the benefit of the doubt... but if they go and do something like this I'll be at One Spurs Way with pitchforks and torches.

[BatManu20]

From one of the so-called insiders on Hawksquawk...this basically proves to me this dude doesnt know jack shit if he thinks the Spurs would give them #4 and their 25/27 picks for the #1 pick in this shit draft

Lol. I like perusing opposing team's message boards from time to time for a good laugh as well.

[spurraider21]

Yea you're definitely banking on that shot improvement obviously, but it's a risk I'm willing to take personally if I'm the Spurs (assuming Zacc and Reed are both gone). I keep going back to the Jimmy Butler and Jrue Holiday comparisons because they all shared so many similarities as Freshman in college in terms of strengths and weaknesses, as well as shooting %'s.

I also know that Castle is arguably the best perimeter defender in this draft and is good at just about everything else. He's got a really good physical profile and contributed big minutes to a National Champion UCONN team this season as a true Freshman. I know how much be loves ball based on interviews and what Coach Hurley and their coaching staff have to say about him. He's not a knucklehead and he's not social media obsessed -- He's just a hooper. He's exactly the type of hard-nosed player and high-character kid PATFO typically look for when it comes to he draft. His jumper is the only thing from keeping him from being an All-Star caliber player in the coming years. To me, that's easily worth a swing at 4 in a weak draft. If he hits,

Besides, who are you taking instead of him at 4 if the other 3 guys are gone? Salaun or Cody Williams? If they want to swing on them at 4 then so be it, but to draft either of them at 4 over Castle would be misconduct imo.
dillingham is the next guy on my board, but recognizing that he's almost certainly going to be there at 8, i'd draft around that. i still have castle/holland in that next tier and both are shit shooters, so i probably would take castle anyway with the expectation that im taking dillingham later. i wouldnt hate cody williams in that spot either.

[TD 21]

:lmao This is completely unrealistic. I (and probably most of us) don't buy that the Spurs would do the '25 1st unprotected, never mind adding '27.

[Degoat]

Lol. I like perusing opposing team's message boards from time to time for a good laugh as well.

Rocket fans are going to be on suicide watch if the rockets let Reed Sheppard fall to the Spurs, they hate the idea of the spurs getting any talent around wemby lol

[mo7888]

:lol Man’s voice is deeper than Kyrie’s bag

1805685100752855189

Serbian Batman...

[DPG21920]

Lmao at Atl fans thinking they get 4 + 25 & 27 lololololol

[Devi8or]

I'm not trading that 25 if I'm the Spurs....hawks gonna be dog water when they offload trae and DJ despite who they take at #1

[scott]

From one of the so-called insiders on Hawksquawk...this basically proves to me this dude doesnt know jack shit if he thinks the Spurs would give them #4 and their 25/27 picks for the #1 pick in this shit draft

LOL, what a load of delusional copium being consumed here. Wright should just sit back with a lit cigar and say "go ahead and take Risacher, see if I GAF, clowns"

[BatManu20]

Dilly practically begging to be a Spur tbh :lol

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[scott]

:lol Man’s voice is deeper than Kyrie’s bag

1805685100752855189

This motherfucker kind of looks and definitely sounds like Hodor from GoT

[DPG21920]

“Either wash gives 2 + 26 for 1 or Spurs give up 4, 8, 25-27 and a future unprotected first - just have to see what happens !”

[scott]

FWIW -- Via CBS Sports' new mock they just released an hour ago:


"The thing I keep hearing about the Spurs is that shooting is going to be a requisite... They do not want anymore non-shooters." (4:22 mark)


Not exactly rocket science that we badly need shooting, but if we pass on Castle for Salaun or Knecht, we also riot.


RbJ70Nkbypk

I love how they say that the Spurs see shooting as requisite, but they go ahead and mock Castle and Salaun to us anyway

[scott]

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[mo7888]

Lmao at Atl fans thinking they get 4 + 25 & 27 lololololol

Yup.. the only way those picks even come into the conversation is in a much larger bombshell type trade...

[Mr. Body]

:lmao This is completely unrealistic. I (and probably most of us) don't buy that the Spurs would do the '25 1st unprotected, never mind adding '27.

I started the convo (sort of) with saying the Charlotte and Chicago picks could be on the board.

I still mean it. Givony is the one who keeps insisting the Spurs should trade Atlanta's picks back to them. He's been so charged about this that I wonder if he's getting paid.

But if you can give the Hawks some draft capital, you're giving them something for the barren years when we control their picks. The fan base has something to look forward to. They don't look cheated for moving down. They still get one of Clingan or Risacher... actually, scratch that. I just realized that we'd take Sarr, then Wiz and Houston may take those guys to keep or trade.

Anyway, there's probably a chance the Spurs deal them picks back, and maybe we should prepare ourselves, but it seems very doubtful.

[scott]

Based on the dynamics of this draft, ATL will only be able to get what will be perceived as subpar value for #1. This is almost assured.

The only thing worse from ATL's perspective than getting subpar value will be getting subpar value in another trade with the Spurs. If I'm in ATL's FO I'd avoid dealing with the Spurs on this matter for that reason alone. I am hard on our FO at times, but I believe that they are better enough to do a dumb deal with ATL. I'd do 4+CHA and that's it to move up to #1 in this draft. Call ATL's bluff.

[The Truth #6]

A goofy little thought experiment. I'm trying to imagine Castle versus Dillingham in the playoffs. Let's say Castle can't shoot at all. Let's say Dillingham is a horrible defender. As far as who could stay on the court and be less of a liability... I sort of feel like not shooting is worse than poor defense. I think Dillingham probably is getting very much looked over, especially for the Spurs.

[TD 21]

I started the convo (sort of) with saying the Charlotte and Chicago picks could be on the board.

I still mean it. Givony is the one who keeps insisting the Spurs should trade Atlanta's picks back to them. He's been so charged about this that I wonder if he's getting paid.

But if you can give the Hawks some draft capital, you're giving them something for the barren years when we control their picks. The fan base has something to look forward to. They don't look cheated for moving down. They still get one of Clingan or Risacher... actually, scratch that. I just realized that we'd take Sarr, then Wiz and Houston may take those guys to keep or trade.

Anyway, there's probably a chance the Spurs deal them picks back, and maybe we should prepare ourselves, but it seems very doubtful.

Nah, unfortunately I think Givony is spot on that only the Hawks pick(s) (and obviously 4) will do, for obvious reasons.

Now one of the so-called Hawks insiders claims the sense he's gotten is Murray + for Ingram + is all but done, but they're waiting to see if they land Clingan in a trade at 4 to determine which of Capela or Okongwu would be included.

If that's true, then the 1 for 4 probably only happens with some form of protection on the '25 Hawks 1st. I would think Carter would be the pick at 8 in this scenario, but again I don't see it happening.

[LeBowen]

A goofy little thought experiment. I'm trying to imagine Castle versus Dillingham in the playoffs. Let's say Castle can't shoot at all. Let's say Dillingham is a horrible defender. As far as who could stay on the court and be less of a liability... I sort of feel like not shooting is worse than poor defense. I think Dillingham probably is getting very much looked over, especially for the Spurs.

It all depends on the rest of the lineup and the matchup.

Do we have Castle+3shooters+Wemby? Can Castle actually be a point guard and get to the rim?
Then we're probably fine.

Can they exploit Dillingham's defense? As in playing him against a team with players who can't create for themselves should be fine.
What's the lineup around him? If we could get something like Danny-Juice-young nephew perimeter defense trio, having one bad defender wouldn't be such a big issue.
It all comes down to Dillingham's ceiling. If he can get 22/8 on any given night, he'd be fine. But we wouldn't sacrifice defense for a 15ppg scorer.

[Mr. Body]

Nah, unfortunately I think Givony is spot on that only the Hawks pick(s) (and obviously 4) will do, for obvious reasons.

Now one of the so-called Hawks insiders claims the sense he's gotten is Murray + for Ingram + is all but done, but they're waiting to see if they land Clingan in a trade at 4 to determine which of Capela or Okongwu would be included.

If that's true, then the 1 for 4 probably only happens with some form of protection on the '25 Hawks 1st. I would think Carter would be the pick at 8 in this scenario, but again I don't see it happening.

I don't think there's any universe where trading up from 4 to 1 in this draft would cost Atlanta's own unprotected picks back to them, and I have no idea how you came to this thought. If that's what Atlanta is asking, then the trade simply won't happen. They may be fine with this, but what it means, clearly, is that this isn't the cost of the transaction.

[TD 21]

I don't think there's any universe where trading up from 4 to 1 in this draft would cost Atlanta's own unprotected picks back to them, and I have no idea how you came to this thought. If that's what Atlanta is asking, then the trade simply won't happen. They may be fine with this, but what it means, clearly, is that this isn't the cost of the transaction.

That's not at all what I said.

I knew I shouldn't have bothered conversing with you . . . it won't happen again.

[Mr. Body]

That's not at all what I said.

I knew I shouldn't have bothered conversing with you . . . it won't happen again.

"Nah, unfortunately I think Givony is spot on that only the Hawks pick(s) (and obviously 4) will do, for obvious reasons."

That's what you said.

[scott]

It appears TD 21 is stating that from the Hawks POV, they only for a 4 for 1 swap if they are getting 1 (or more) of their picks back. It makes sense that would be ATL's asking price, but it is not realistic value and the deal simply doesn't consummate at that price.

If that's what Atlanta is truly asking for, then they're essentially eliminating themselves from doing a deal before a deal can even be negotiated (I'm assuming here that Wright, Pop and RC haven't lost their goddamn minds).

[Mr. Body]

It appears TD 21 is stating that from the Hawks POV, they only for a 4 for 1 swap if they are getting 1 (or more) of their picks back. It makes sense that would be ATL's asking price, but it is not realistic value and the deal simply doesn't consummate at that price.


I mean, maybe we're not disagreeing, I'm just saying that that's not going to get it done. Atlanta and Givony can ask for whatever they want.

[Mr. Body]

New rumors that they might take Buzelis. Lol, they're so desperate to move down. Trying to get Detroit's attention now.

[scott]

They should threaten to draft Wemby, just for fun.

[TD 21]

It appears TD 21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17781) is stating that from the Hawks POV, they only for a 4 for 1 swap if they are getting 1 (or more) of their picks back. It makes sense that would be ATL's asking price, but it is not realistic value and the deal simply doesn't consummate at that price.

If that's what Atlanta is truly asking for, then they're essentially eliminating themselves from doing a deal before a deal can even be negotiated (I'm assuming here that Wright, Pop and RC haven't lost their goddamn minds).

It appears you're one of the few with both reading comprehension and no agenda.

Maybe the Spurs have some flexibility with protection on the '25 1st, but if Murray is going to be out of the picture, I doubt there's enough incentive (if there ever was; this is just my opinion) to consummate a trade.

[heyheymymy]

Wow Hawks fans ATLOL #4 + 2025 + 2027 for #1?

BWright should just reply back, best I can do is a future second and some tacos with a big red

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/037/497/19vcz0.jpg

[objective]

the thing with castle is he isnt just a poor/mediocre shooter. he's a non-shooter. his shooting numbers are worse than sochan and wesley's college shooting numbers

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQ2IQMDWkAAA-lO?format=jpg&name=large

On top of that, he had the best spacing for shooting even when he wasn't being avoided on purpose.

He might be the one guy who will have worse spacing in the NBA than in college because of how exceptional UConn was

[BackHome]

I am not doing any thing to help the Hawks get better as I want all 3 of there picks!!!!!!!

[scott]

It appears you're one of the few with both reading comprehension and no agenda.

Maybe the Spurs have some flexibility with protection on the '25 1st, but if Murray is going to be out of the picture, I doubt there's enough incentive (if there ever was; this is just my opinion) to consummate a trade.

It feels like ATL just really likes Clingan but someone in their FO is convinced that they can milk a little more out of #1 and still get their guy. So much has been thrown against the wall at this point though, that it just gives the sense that Atlanta is desperate. At this point, the Hawks are definitely on the shortest end of the leverage stick. If I'm WAS or SA (not sure who else would be a threat to move up to #1) - I'd put a hard line at an SRP and tell them to take it or leave it. I feel pretty confident that WAS would be content with Castle if ATL took Sarr, and SA would be content with whomever falls to 4.

Wright made a comment today to Michael C Wright that they were placing a lot of calls at the trade deadline last year, but nothing really materialized and that people shouldn't confuse process with outcomes. This leads me to believe Wright maintains an aggressive approach to all of this, but not so aggressive that he's going to make bad deals. I would broadly give him and the FO very high marks when it comes to trades since Wright took over... so if there is anywhere I'm confident in the FO, it is in that regard (drafting and FAs, I'm less optimistic on in regard to this FO).

Lastly, I try to not have an agenda - not that it would make any difference if I did have one. Wright and Pop aren't looking to this forum for anyone's deep insight, so it makes sense for all of us to try and stay as objective and level headed as possible!

[scott]

the thing with castle is he isnt just a poor/mediocre shooter. he's a non-shooter. his shooting numbers are worse than sochan and wesley's college shooting numbers

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GQ2IQMDWkAAA-lO?format=jpg&name=large

I'm a member of the DillyGang, but I am a little concerned about his finishing at the rim based on this graphic. We already have one Blake Wesley.

[Biggems]

Wow Hawks fans ATLOL #4 + 2025 + 2027 for #1?

BWright should just reply back, best I can do is a future second and some tacos with a big red

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/037/497/19vcz0.jpg

barbacoa from Rios?

[spurraider21]

I'm a member of the DillyGang, but I am a little concerned about his finishing at the rim based on this graphic. We already have one Blake Wesley.
the problem with wesley is that he sucks from everywhere

[scott]

If Atl really wants Clingan, and has some kind of aversion to taking him at 1, then can just give us DJM for #4 straight up, and deal #1 somewhere else

[heyheymymy]

barbacoa from Rios?

that's giving up too much imo

lightly protected momma Margies instead?

[scott]

In truth, Atlanta should just take Clingan at 1 and stfu already

[heyheymymy]

New rumors that they might take Buzelis. Lol, they're so desperate to move down. Trying to get Detroit's attention now.

lol the Hawks revolving door of holding hostage everyone else's presumed targets. First it was Risacher, then Clingan now Buze lol

[heyheymymy]

It's like Uriel said days ago, quit the bullshit ATL and let's just all take our guys at our natural spots cmon

[Teamduncan21]

From one of the so-called insiders on Hawksquawk...this basically proves to me this dude doesnt know jack shit if he thinks the Spurs would give them #4 and their 25/27 picks for the #1 pick in this shit draft

Wait. Three picks for one? They're biased and is dreaming

[Mr. Body]

I'm a member of the DillyGang, but I am a little concerned about his finishing at the rim based on this graphic. We already have one Blake Wesley.

Blake seems to get his angles all wrong and can't get above or around defenders. I do think he improved a good deal. Dillingham's issue to me is strength. Not sure if he can correct that, but if he gets a floater going, I feel like his touch will make it work. Blake's touch is pretty bad.

[CGD]

New rumors that they might take Buzelis. Lol, they're so desperate to move down. Trying to get Detroit's attention now.

They just need to be big boys and not draft out of fear. If you like Clingan just take him 1.

If you want to continue to play the extortion gamd just so the deal with WAS for 2&26.

[objective]

lol the Hawks revolving door of holding hostage everyone else's presumed targets. First it was Risacher, then Clingan now Buze lol

"Hey t-wolves, the only way you're getting Baylor Scheierman is to get ahead of us and get the #1 pick! Your move!"

[TD 21]

It feels like ATL just really likes Clingan but someone in their FO is convinced that they can milk a little more out of #1 and still get their guy. So much has been thrown against the wall at this point though, that it just gives the sense that Atlanta is desperate. At this point, the Hawks are definitely on the shortest end of the leverage stick. If I'm WAS or SA (not sure who else would be a threat to move up to #1) - I'd put a hard line at an SRP and tell them to take it or leave it. I feel pretty confident that WAS would be content with Castle if ATL took Sarr, and SA would be content with whomever falls to 4.

Wright made a comment today to Michael C Wright that they were placing a lot of calls at the trade deadline last year, but nothing really materialized and that people shouldn't confuse process with outcomes. This leads me to believe Wright maintains an aggressive approach to all of this, but not so aggressive that he's going to make bad deals. I would broadly give him and the FO very high marks when it comes to trades since Wright took over... so if there is anywhere I'm confident in the FO, it is in that regard (drafting and FAs, I'm less optimistic on in regard to this FO).

Lastly, I try to not have an agenda - not that it would make any difference if I did have one. Wright and Pop aren't looking to this forum for anyone's deep insight, so it makes sense for all of us to try and stay as objective and level headed as possible!

Every executive in every sport says something along those lines, especially those with a reputation for being overly conservative/rigid, like this front office rightfully does.

Not referring to a specific case like a trade deadline, but in general it's actions over words.

Agenda in terms of he doesn't like me, among others, so he's looking to be disagreeable and contentious. Other board related agendas include "sniffers" and "edge lords".

[rascal]

I'm a member of the DillyGang, but I am a little concerned about his finishing at the rim based on this graphic. We already have one Blake Wesley.

Castle is the best finisher and best inside the free throw line of this group.

He just needs to push his shot out and blows this group away in all around game.

[The Truth #6]

It all depends on the rest of the lineup and the matchup.

Do we have Castle+3shooters+Wemby? Can Castle actually be a point guard and get to the rim?
Then we're probably fine.

Can they exploit Dillingham's defense? As in playing him against a team with players who can't create for themselves should be fine.
What's the lineup around him? If we could get something like Danny-Juice-young nephew perimeter defense trio, having one bad defender wouldn't be such a big issue.
It all comes down to Dillingham's ceiling. If he can get 22/8 on any given night, he'd be fine. But we wouldn't sacrifice defense for a 15ppg scorer.

I think I'm looking at it more generally and abstractly. A team together can plan a defense to overcome the shortcomings, in this case, literally, of a player. Those who can't shoot in the playoffs typically end up on an island where they back off him so much he's forced to shoot. Sort of like Giddey.

[Mr. Body]

I think I'm looking at it more generally and abstractly. A team together can plan a defense to overcome the shortcomings, in this case, literally, of a player. Those who can't shoot in the playoffs typically end up on an island where they back off him so much he's forced to shoot. Sort of like Giddey.

I just want to say that Wembanyama changes everything. We don't know where this team is heading and who will be on it, but in some ways we can throw out the rulebook. If he stays healthy, Wembanyama is going to be ridiculously dominant on defense. On offense, he's going to absorb so much attention that what other teams have to do is not necessarily what the Spurs have to do with their roster.

For example, his passing is so exceptional among the rest of his gifts that players like Sochan and Castle will be effective simply by cutting and moving. Obviously you want shooters out there, but getting multi-dimensional players and working on those shots can work for now.

[rankingtear]

Confirmed Bub and Holland workouts per Fischer.

[Mr. Body]

Confirmed Bub and Holland workouts per Fischer.

Holy hell we're going to draft everybody.

[Joseph Kony]

UConn center Donovan Clingan (https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/players/169101/) appears destined to be the next big man off the board, if he isn’t the top selection to Atlanta (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/atlanta/). Clingan worked out for the Hawks and told reporters he sees the potential for strong pick-and-roll chemistry with Atlanta’s guards. The Hawks, of course, are expected to engage rival teams on trade scenarios for both Trae Young (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/6016/) and Dejounte Murray (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/5660/) throughout this offseason. The Lakers, Pelicans and Spurs (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/san-antonio/) remain three destinations that would be appealing to Young, league sources told Yahoo Sports, and teams in the lottery are not discounting the possibility the Spurs could engineer a move up to the top slot, which could open the door for Atlanta possibly selecting Clingan at No. 4.

The Spurs currently hold the fourth selection in addition to the No. 8 pick, and San Antonio (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/san-antonio/) was able to book Clingan for a Zoom meeting this past weekend, sources said. With both Portland (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/portland/) and Memphis known to hold interest in trading up and acquiring Clingan, according to league personnel, there’s no shortage of NBA figures who believe this late San Antonio interest in Clingan could simply be a ruse with the goal of enticing another front office to move up and land the UConn center. The Spurs originally focused on pinning Victor Wembanyama (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/10094/) next to a strong-shooting center, such as Zach Collins (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/5823/), and Clingan, for all his strengths on defense, is not exactly a proven commodity from distance.
But after his interview with the Spurs, Clingan seemed intrigued by the option. “It was good to be able to get to know [San Antonio] more and show them who I am as a person and get them to learn a little bit more about me,” Clingan said. “And I feel like the me and the Wemby connection is something that could really work out. I’m just excited for tomorrow night.”


There’s been plenty of buzz surrounding Providence guard Devin Carter being a possible pick for San Antonio at No. 8. Carter grinned while envisioning throwing lobs to a “big target” like Wembanyama. Carter has been one of the biggest risers in this class. He worked out for Memphis – where his father, former NBA player Anthony Carter, is an assistant coach – Utah, Chicago, Miami and the Lakers (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/la-lakers/) in addition to San Antonio.
Nikola Topić, the 6-foot-7 Serbian point guard, has also been a name rival executives posit is under consideration for the Spurs. Topić said Wednesday that he visited San Antonio, Utah, Portland, Memphis and Houston (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/houston/) while he nurses a partially torn ACL.


https://sports.yahoo.com/pelicans-promote-bryson-graham-to-gm-hall-of-famer-swin-cash-to-senior-vp-of-basketball-operations-165257730.html


some Spurs tidbits here

[PhantomDashCam]

Wow kudos to Spurs for working out Holland. Really doesn’t seem like the player they would be interested in (or will ultimately draft), but having an in-person workout with arguably the most athletic player in the draft (Carter currently has that tag) shows they may be altering their draft myopia a little.

[R. DeMurre]

I'm a member of the DillyGang, but I am a little concerned about his finishing at the rim based on this graphic. We already have one Blake Wesley.

Also, for all the talk about how Dilly is a great shooter while Carter is a developing shooter, their FG% and eFG% are pretty much identical.

[CGD]

Wow kudos to Spurs for working out Holland. Really doesn’t seem like the player they would be interested in (or will ultimately draft), but having an in-person workout with arguably the most athletic player in the draft (Carter currently has that tag) shows they may be altering their draft myopia a little.

Some of these workouts suggest to me they may have entertained idea of swapping 4 for 7/14 with Portland.

[Mr. Body]

Some of these workouts suggest to me they may have entertained idea of swapping 4 for 7/14 with Portland.

IMO that's too expensive for Portland.

[CGD]

I don’t know much about the cap stuff, but some of these Bobby Marks types are saying that the early SRPs in this draft are gonna have unusually high value bc of the second apron thing. Wonder what they could mean for the Spurs at 35?

[CGD]

IMO that's too expensive for Portland.

Probably. They would have to REALLY want Clingan.

[exstatic]

I don’t know much about the cap stuff, but some of these Bobby Marks types are saying that the early SRPs in this draft are gonna have unusually high value bc of the second apron thing. Wonder what they could mean for the Spurs at 35?

The thing is, if you’re a second apron team, you can’t include cash in trades, so the kind of rules out the buy/sell second rounder thing.

[CGD]

The thing is, if you’re a second apron team, you can’t include cash in trades, so the kind of rules out the buy/sell second rounder thing.

I think they were suggesting that teams with picks late in the first round this year, may be looking to trade back to the second round to avoid paying the guaranteed first round money. And that the cost wouldn’t be that high to pick up a late FRP

[Mr. Body]

Rumors that Utah is trying to move up to Detroit in order to target Castle. Rumor suggests they're trying to jump over Charlotte, thinking they would take him. Take with a grain of salt.

[DAF86]

It all depends on the rest of the lineup and the matchup.

Do we have Castle+3shooters+Wemby? Can Castle actually be a point guard and get to the rim?
Then we're probably fine.

Can they exploit Dillingham's defense? As in playing him against a team with players who can't create for themselves should be fine.
What's the lineup around him? If we could get something like Danny-Juice-young nephew perimeter defense trio, having one bad defender wouldn't be such a big issue.
It all comes down to Dillingham's ceiling. If he can get 22/8 on any given night, he'd be fine. But we wouldn't sacrifice defense for a 15ppg scorer.

It isn't as deep, imho. If Castle doesn't learn to shoot and Dilly is a liability on D, then you want neither on a playoffs rotation. But if you have to go with one for a 5 minutes stretch each half, you pick the shooter ten times out of ten. You go with Patty Mills over Ime Udoka.

[PhantomDashCam]

I'll preface this with I'm not sure how trades work across this double night of drafting.
However, it would be hilarious if we think we've hit on a player the majority of the fanbase seems to like ie. Castle,
only to trade him the very next night...

https://i.imgur.com/dVlZhjR.gif

[mudyez]

The thing with Dilly and to a lower extent Reed and others is, if you really want to use Wembys defensive presence as a crutch or go all out and build one of the most dominant defenses EVER.

I'm more in the later camp, but still like Reed as I can see his steal and block rate work with clever tactics when paired with Wemby.

[scott]

Rumors that Utah is trying to move up to Detroit in order to target Castle. Rumor suggests they're trying to jump over Charlotte, thinking they would take him. Take with a grain of salt.

SA SENDS TO UTAH

#4
#8
#35
Zach Collins
Worst of SA/ATL '25

UTAH SENDS TO SA

#10
#29
Lauri Markkanen

Follow that up with:

SA sends 4 SRPs to PHX for #22

Spurs Draft:

#10 - Dillingham or Carter (probably Carter, tbh)
#22 - Tyler Smith
#29 - Johnny Furby