Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[MaNu4Tres]

If LMA were actually gone, he'd be gone. The Spurs aren't getting a better deal by waiting. They're waiting because it might just make more sense to keep him than to deal him. I know everyone wants him gone -- and even he may want to be gone -- but it doesn't make basketball sense yet. Right now, the clearest path to improvement is for LMA to play better. Thinking that Millsap getting 50 percent more money is a viable strategy is something I just can't go along with. Dude only makes sense at a discount.

You're wrong here.

Spurs are waiting it out. Why?

There's two type of trades that will be in the works for Aldridge. And one MUST be prioritized before the other because Free Agency is a huge variable that Spurs must really feel out because there's better options in free agency to fill LAs' salary than there would be in a LA trade for salary ( if that makes sense).

The first one will be to trade him for space and a small asset to a team w/ cap space. This will be done if SA can fill in his salary via FA -- if they can get a FA to commit. If they can get a FA or FAs to commit, then LA will be dumped for salary in a heartbeat.

The second one will be if Spurs whiff in FA, THEN is when SA will explore trades FOR salary.

If Spurs were to dump LA for space right now, that would be dumb because they could whiff during Free Agency and be screwed. It would also be dumb to trade him right now for salary because that would take themselves out the running from being real players in Free Agency.

[Chinook]

This is silly. With possible sign and trades once free agency opens up it would be madness to do some trade now. Things can definitely change between now and then. Its pretty much the opposite of what you say here: There's no incentive NOT to wait.

Things CAN change. But if the team wanted him gone, we'd know it by now. The "just S&T him for Millsap" argument is odd. It's not completely irrational, but it would make more sense to have dumped him last week and then just sign Millsap.

I'm not saying LMA will definitely be here. But we've gotten nothing to say LMA is already gone. If that were the case, he's actually be gone. The Spurs wouldn't still be shopping him and trying to see if they can make the team better in a deal.

[TimDunkem]

Bless your little heart, Chinook. So much optimism. :lmao

Part of me hopes you're right. I'm going to enjoy watching LMA get booed out of the building opening night.

[Chinook]

You're wrong here.

Spurs are waiting it out. Why?

There's two type of trades that will be in the works for Aldridge. And one MUST be prioritized before the other because Free Agency is a huge variable.

The first one will be to trade him for space and a small asset to a team w/ cap space. This will be done if SA can fill in his salary via FA -- if they can get a FA to commit. If they can get a FA or FAs to commit, then LA will be dumped for salary in a heartbeat.

The second one will be if Spurs whiff in FA, THEN is when SA will explore trades FOR salary.

If Spurs were to dump LA for space right now, that would be dumb because they could whiff during Free Agency and be screwed. It would also be dumb to trade him right now for salary because that would take themselves out the running from being real players in Free Agency.

You say I'm wrong and then right a post saying what I said. If they don't get what they want in free agency, they'll keep him. Therefore, he's not "gone" yet.

[apalisoc_9]

If LMA were actually gone, he'd be gone. The Spurs aren't getting a better deal by waiting. They're waiting because it might just make more sense to keep him than to deal him. I know everyone wants him gone -- and even he may want to be gone -- but it doesn't make basketball sense yet. Right now, the clearest path to improvement is for LMA to play better. Thinking that Millsap getting 50 percent more money is a viable strategy is something I just can't go along with. Dude only makes sense at a discount.

For a capoligist this is ignorant.

Possiblilites will open up post July 1.

[MaNu4Tres]

You say I'm wrong and then right a post saying what I said. If they don't get what they want in free agency, they'll keep him. Therefore, he's not "gone" yet.

What you said is wrong. You said he'd be gone already by now if he was going to be traded. Did you not?

He's gone. Spurs will trade him for salary if it comes down to it. He's no part of their future.

[MannyIsGod]

You're wrong here.

Spurs are waiting it out. Why?

There's two type of trades that will be in the works for Aldridge. And one MUST be prioritized before the other because Free Agency is a huge variable that Spurs must really feel out because there's better options in free agency to fill LAs' salary than there would be in a LA trade for salary ( if that makes sense).

The first one will be to trade him for space and a small asset to a team w/ cap space. This will be done if SA can fill in his salary via FA -- if they can get a FA to commit. If they can get a FA or FAs to commit, then LA will be dumped for salary in a heartbeat.

The second one will be if Spurs whiff in FA, THEN is when SA will explore trades FOR salary.

If Spurs were to dump LA for space right now, that would be dumb because they could whiff during Free Agency and be screwed. It would also be dumb to trade him right now for salary because that would take themselves out the running from being real players in Free Agency.

Exactly, there's literally no reason to move him before free agency starts but after the draft.

[Chinook]

Bless your little heart, Chinook. So much optimism. :lmao

Part of me hopes you're right. I'm going to enjoy watching LMA get booed out of the building opening night.

The fuck is wrong with you? I'm not saying LMA will be here. I'm saying that a) They might still keep him because they don't get what they want and b) If they intend to trade him at the deadline, they aren't replacing him in July.

Before you replied, I said I'm not about paying big money to Millsap or Ibaka. But that's not me saying that I'd give LMA that money. I'd rather ride it out and start clean than commit to downhill bigs on huge deals.

[TimDunkem]

Teams can't even trade guys right now can they? Not until FA begins?

[HarlemHeat37]

I agree with objective that I'd rather pay Millsap 30 rather than Ibaka 20, tbh, the difference in skill-sets is significant..the former is even better defensively, at this point..

I'd much rather pay 20 for James Johnson than Ibaka's 40-year old ass, too, if the Heat can land a whale..

I'd rather avoid paying big money and long deals to any of these old niggas, though..Spurs aren't beating the Warriors in the next 2 years, regardless, 100..better to start taking fliers on upside..

[MannyIsGod]

If LMA isn't in the long term plans - and as this point I don't see how he could be - then he's done playing for the Spurs. I would be shocked if this guy is here next year in any capacity. But admittedly, there's nothing fool proof to point in this direction. But for it to be wrong, all the reports we heard on the day of the draft would have to be wrong, too.

[TimDunkem]

The fuck is wrong with you? I'm not saying LMA will be here. I'm saying that a) They might still keep him because they don't get what they want and b) If they intend to trade him at the deadline, they aren't replacing him in July.

Before you replied, I said I'm not about paying big money to Millsap or Ibaka. But that's not me saying that I'd give LMA that money. I'd rather ride it out and start clean than commit to downhill bigs on huge deals.
What the fuck is wrong with YOU? The writing is on the wall, moron. Just because his value is so awful, that they couldn't get a deal for him on draft night doesn't mean he's not on his way out the door.

"If he was gone, he'd be gone".

That's what you said, and you couldn't be more wrong. Some capologist you are. You think all the scenarios the posters outlined above would've been obvious to you. Guess not.

Shitty capologist and shit talent evaluator. :lol

[Chinook]

Spurs swung for the fence going for a lottery pick...didn't work out. But that doesn't mean a good deal can't be made..

It does not. I'm not sure if I "expect" LMA to be traded, but I'm more than open to it. What I'm not open to is giving Millsap $30 Million, although I guess I wouldn't care if it were a one-year deal with a team option. I'm very wary about committing long-term salaries to guys under this cap, but I'm even more concerned about doing so to older players, especially those like Millsap who will be in decline very soon.

[sasaint]

Teams can't even trade guys right now can they? Not until FA begins?

After July 6, I believe.

[Chinook]

What the fuck is wrong with YOU? The writing is on the wall, moron. Just because his value is so awful, that they couldn't get a deal for him on draft night doesn't mean he's not on his way out the door.

"If he was gone, he'd be gone".

That's what you said, and you couldn't be more wrong. Some capologist you are. You think all the scenarios the posters outlined above would've been obvious to you. Guess not.

Shitty capologist and shit talent evaluator. :lol

Yes, if there were zero chance the Spurs were willing to go another game with him, they would have dumped him already. You don't try to hold onto a guy and squeeze value out if you're done with him. At least the Spurs don't.

You keep on trying to change the subject, though. You suggested LMA would be gone by the deadline if not moved next week. You thus allowed that he could be here past July. Therefore, you don't think he's necessarily "gone" yet.

But go on trying to make this about me. No way I can touch your "he's definitely gone, unless he's here until February" takes.

[Chinook]

Teams can't even trade guys right now can they? Not until FA begins?

They can trade until Friday at midnight.

[SAGirl]

Want no part of JaMychal. What's with people trying to scrap shit from the bottom of the barrel today?
Some are irrationally hell bent on Anderson not playing..... case can be made he's better off the bench but after how he played against GSW to keep harping that he can't play against them is some subjective hate...

[baseline bum]

Ibaka's 40-year old ass.

This guy listed at 27 years old :lol

[TimDunkem]

Yes, if there were zero chance the Spurs were willing to go another game with him, they would have dumped him already. You don't try to hold onto a guy and squeeze value out if you're done with him. At least the Spurs don't.

You keep on trying to change the subject, though. You suggested LMA would be gone by the deadline if not moved next week. You thus allowed that he could be here past July. Therefore, you don't think he's necessarily "gone" yet.

But go on trying to make this about me. No way I can touch your "he's definitely gone, unless he's here until February" takes.
He's not part of the Spurs plans beyond the trade deadline. Happy? He's still good as gone. :lol

[Chinook]

What you said is wrong. You said he'd be gone already by now if he was going to be traded. Did you not?

He's gone. Spurs will trade him for salary if it comes down to it. He's no part of their future.

I'm taking "he's gone" as "He's not playing another game with SA no matter what" (allowing for freak occurrences, of course). I don't think we're there yet. I think the team knows he has value to them (despite all the bitching here), and that having him fill regular-season minutes of getting a somewhat inefficient 17/8 is hardly the worst thing if they get to start off with a clean slate in 2018. This is the team that is hell-bent on keeping Parker.

[GSH]

The fuck is wrong with you? I'm not saying LMA will be here. I'm saying that a) They might still keep him because they don't get what they want and b) If they intend to trade him at the deadline, they aren't replacing him in July.

Before you replied, I said I'm not about paying big money to Millsap or Ibaka. But that's not me saying that I'd give LMA that money. I'd rather ride it out and start clean than commit to downhill bigs on huge deals.


It's a point worth making. The last thing the Spurs need to do now is get desperate and create bad contracts.

People here think if LMA stays, he's going to pout and play even worse. He might. But I'm sure his agent (at least) will tell him what a mistake that would be. The Spurs could screw him on his next deal SO badly. It would be down to mutually assured destruction, if it went that far. LMA has millions of reasons not to take the season off. Someone made the comment that him wanting out of SA is a bad sign, and I think it was the truth. But he would have every opportunity to help himself get a good contract elsewhere, if he shrugs all this off and steps up this year.

So, no, I don't think it's at all certain that he won't be playing in silver and black this year.

[SAGirl]

And JaMychal was some shit that didn't stick. There are guys like him just waiting to be signed. Don't get the obsession with him.
He also was one of those that got away from Patfo. He's about the only young rotation player that's decent n Memphis. They will move contracts if they have to but I think they resign him.

[BillMc]

I'm taking "he's gone" as "He's not playing another game with SA no matter what" (allowing for freak occurrences, of course). I don't think we're there yet. I think the team knows he has value to them (despite all the bitching here), and that having him fill regular-season minutes of getting a somewhat inefficient 17/8 is hardly the worst thing if they get to start off with a clean slate in 2018. This is the team that is hell-bent on keeping Parker.

Don't disagree with you on LMA. But what makes you sure they're bent on keepin' Tony? Just the Green trade rumors?

[Chinook]

It's a point worth making. The last thing the Spurs need to do now is get desperate and create bad contracts.

People here think if LMA stays, he's going to pout and play even worse. He might. But I'm sure his agent (at least) will tell him what a mistake that would be. The Spurs could screw him on his next deal SO badly. It would be down to mutually assured destruction, if it went that far. LMA has millions of reasons not to take the season off. Someone made the comment that him wanting out of SA is a bad sign, and I think it was the truth. But he would have every opportunity to help himself get a good contract elsewhere, if he shrugs all this off and steps up this year.

So, no, I don't think it's at all certain that he won't be playing in silver and black this year.

Yes, it's possible that LMA and Green both have contract years. Danny especially arguably his two best seasons in 2012 and 2015. I'm less hopeful on LMA, but you don't know. Dude may realize that this is his last chance at a title (since he'd be commit to purgatory with PHX) and will leave it on the court like he did in the first two games of the WCSF in 2016. I am all for moving him for value (I would rather have Chriss and space than Millsap), but if that's past, I'd have to think before moving him now. If he's still a bitch in February, and I can get value then, I'd move him.

[Chinook]

Don't disagree with you on LMA. But what makes you sure they're bent on keepin' Tony? Just the Green trade rumors?

Yeah. I think there's a remote possibility that the LMA and Green rumors are smokescreens for a Parker deal, but I just have a feeling Tony will be safe, because Pop honestly believes that he gives the team the better chance to win a title.

[SAGirl]

It's quite possible as some have already mentioned on here that they already may have some sort of trade lined up with Aldridge/Green involved but just need verbal commitment from the FA they will be targeting before they make the move.
I think this is likely.... We just don't know.
Mum is the word.

[Chinook]

He also was one of those that got away from Patfo. He's about the only young rotation player that's decent n Memphis. They will move contracts if they have to but I think they resign him.

They might. But everyone is high on Deyonta Davis, and they just drafted Rabb. Randolph should be back, so Green is a likely but not necessarily piece.

[picnroll]

Spurs have to present Leonard with a roadmap going into his free agency. They aren't going to do that with fossils like Ibaka or 34-5 year old Milsap. I'm sure they see CP3 aging fairly well though.
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[Hoops Czar]

He's not part of the Spurs plans beyond the trade deadline. Happy? He's still good as gone. :lol

LMA still has value regardless what the media pundits around the league have to say about it. They aren't trading him away for nothing. If they don't get equivalent value or close to it for his services, he'll be on the opening night roster. Part of this will be dependent on CP3's decision.

[picnroll]

Does Aldridge have a trade kicker in his contract?

[Chinook]

LMA still has value regardless what the media pundits around the league have to say about it. They aren't trading him away for nothing. If they don't get equivalent value or close to it for his services, he'll be on the opening night roster. Part of this will be dependent on CP3's decision.

His decision and unfortunately his demands. You'd think that they'd be selling him on a certain roster, and Aldridge may well be more important to him than Green, Gasol or Parker. Even if he's not, he'll probably at least want to know he has PnR partners like Lee or Dedmon. LMA may be on his way out, but he's leaving a big hole in the roster.

[ace3g]

David Pick @IAmDPick
(https://twitter.com/IAmDPick) 19m (https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/879853429698547712)
Source: Mike James, Euroleague's most electrifying combo guard, has committed to make NBA jump with the Phoenix Suns.

[Chinook]

He played for their Summer League team two years ago. Good for him. PHX sure loves them PGs though.

[TD 21]

Spurs have to present Leonard with a roadmap going into his free agency. They aren't going to do that with fossils like Ibaka or 34-5 year old Milsap. I'm sure they see CP3 aging fairly well though.
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Maybe so, but as I always say, what's the alternative? If it's more or less running it back, losing Aldridge and maybe Green for nothing in a year, nitpicking every single possibly attainable high priced free agent and maintaining as much flexibility as possible for a unicorn, that's not it either.

They're not in a position to be overly picky. Whoever they eventually splurge on next, there's going to be some risk involved.

[SAGirl]

They might. But everyone is high on Deyonta Davis, and they just drafted Rabb. Randolph should be back, so Green is a likely but not necessarily piece.
I think they are covering their bases in case he does get an offer that forces their hand, but they like him a lot. His coach has sung him praises. Frankly I expect him back there.

[GSH]

Source: Mike James, Euroleague's most electrifying combo guard, has committed to make NBA jump with the Phoenix Suns. .


There was a report that CSKA offered Teodosic a 3 yr E12M deal, and they pay his taxes. I know the Jazz are pursuing him pretty hard. I really, really hope the Spurs are making a run at him.

[picnroll]

Maybe so, but as I always say, what's the alternative? If it's more or less running it back, losing Aldridge and maybe Green for nothing in a year, nitpicking every single possibly attainable high priced free agent and maintaining as much flexibility as possible for a unicorn, that's not it either.

They're not in a position to be overly picky. Whoever they eventually splurge on next, there's going to be some risk involved.
Spurs had a plan for next year, that's why they freed up all that cap space. Part of that space may have been to resign Aldridge but that's not happening and many here aren't sad about that even if Aldridge didn't turn whiny bitch. If the Spurs get the right solution for 2017-18 they'll pull the trigger, otherwise no reason to believe they won't go for a stop gap solution and then go for their 2018 plan. They can't get the right pieces I like to see them dump Aldridge for picks and promising younplayers.

[rastaspur]

There was a report that CSKA offered Teodosic a 3 yr E12M deal, and they pay his taxes. I know the Jazz are pursuing him pretty hard. I really, really hope the Spurs are making a run at him.

I know nothing about teodosic. Heard his d is nonexistent though.

So, is he that much of a wizard offensively to be able to ignore the alleged defensive issues?

[SAGirl]

There was a report that CSKA offered Teodosic a 3 yr E12M deal, and they pay his taxes. I know the Jazz are pursuing him pretty hard. I really, really hope the Spurs are making a run at him.
Yeah, but frankly the Jazz are rumored to be frontrunners to sign him. They must not expect Hill back. Which then fuels the Hill to the Spurs rumors....

[GSH]

I know nothing about teodosic. Heard his d is nonexistent though.

So, is he that much of a wizard offensively to be able to ignore the alleged defensive issues?


He's a very good facilitator. Very good. The stories about his D aren't fiction... but we lived with Patty's defense. :lol

[picnroll]

Spurs don't have a Gobert to mop up the mistakes.

[GSH]

Spurs don't have a Gobert to mop up the mistakes.


The Spurs also don't have $91M in committed salaries, and the Jazz don't have The Serbian Connection.

People here always seem to discount European players. Teodosic would be a good pickup for the Spurs this offseason - especially at what he's rumored to be looking for in a contract. Would I rather have CP3? Sure. But I would also have liked to have Teo last season, to keep that offense flowing.

Nobody's perfect. And the ones that are closest cost a hell of a lot of cap space.

[Chinook]

There was a report that CSKA offered Teodosic a 3 yr E12M deal, and they pay his taxes. I know the Jazz are pursuing him pretty hard. I really, really hope the Spurs are making a run at him.

From what I heard, it's like an $18M/3 deal (they use dollars for CSKA as they aren't part of the Eurozone). The $12-Million number comes from the difference in taxes and agency fees. Euro teams report net totals. So in the US, $12 Million becomes a take-home of about $6 Million. I'm not sure how accurate that is, but that is what the RealGMers said. It would be real hard for the Spurs to offer a competing take-home, provided everyone was being truthful about the promised salary and the conversion.

Back when he seemed like an MLE-guy, I was intrigued. But I'm not giving him starting-PG money with a couple years NBA experience under his belt. And that's what it may takes to get him.

[picnroll]

Didn't say he wouldn't be a good pickup. Our interior defense is looking a little shaky right now though. Also heard he's a tad past his prime.

[GSH]

From what I heard, it's like an $18M/3 deal (they use dollars for CSKA as they aren't part of the Eurozone). The $12-Million number comes from the difference in taxes and agency fees. Euro teams report net totals. So in the US, $12 Million becomes a take-home of about $6 Million. I'm not sure how accurate that is, but that is what the RealGMers said. It would be real hard for the Spurs to offer a competing take-home, provided everyone was being truthful about the promised salary and the conversion.


Yeah, that's what I said - they would pay his taxes. It's not quite worth 50% of salary, but it's a big chunk of money. I'm not sure it matters. This story is 8 hours old, and Teo himself says he plans to come to the NBA this season. The real question is who he plays for, I think.

https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2017/6/27/15880092/nba-free-agency-2017-milos-teodosic-utah-jazz-cska-moscow-rudy-gobert-raul-neto-ante-tomic

[GSH]

Didn't say he wouldn't be a good pickup. Our interior defense is looking a little shaky right now though. Also heard he's a tad past his prime.


Fair enough. Like I said, nobody's perfect. But when you look at what is available, and then weed out all the players we know aren't coming here, the pool gets pretty shallow. I think that Teodosic is a real possibility, if the Spurs FO is interested.

One of my big regrets from last season is that the Spurs didn't seem to pursue Bourousis really hard. He had indicated that he was open to making the jump last offseason, and he could have really helped in the middle. He runs the PnR well, and has a great comfort level with Bertans. And he had a good season in Europe. This year, Teodosic is the Euro player I think the Spurs could land, and who would be a positive for the team. You just never know whether the Spurs are working a deal like that or not, but I never got any indication they seriously pursued Bourousis, and I'm not getting any sense that they are actively pursuing Teodosic. I think that's a mistake - but then again, they don't seem to want me running their basketball operations either. :lol

[objective]

It occurred to me that a reason LMA hasn't been traded yet could be that they are waiting for July 1st so their cash considerations amount resets to 3.6 million, and that would cover a good amount of his 15% trade kicker

[cd021]

This guy listed at 27 years old :lol

People believe that he is 4 years older than his listed age and that his decline is because he's really in his 30's. Its a thing apparently.

[DPG21920]

He played for their Summer League team two years ago. Good for him. PHX sure loves them PGs though.

They will need a replacement for when SA eats Knights deal in the LMA trade.

[rastaspur]

This kind of feels like waiting in line outside of best buy for a week to get a sweet deal come black friday.

July 1st can't come soon enough. I wanna see the chips fall.
I need to meditate or something.

[objective]

It occurred to me that a reason LMA hasn't been traded yet could be that they are waiting for July 1st so their cash considerations amount resets to 3.6 million, and that would cover a good amount of his 15% trade kicker

Also, if he was traded in June, he would still be owed a trade kicker on 16-17, but in July that year it's officially off the books

[rastaspur]

They will need a replacement for when SA eats Knights deal in the LMA trade.

I hope that doesn't happen.

[rastaspur]

Also, if he was traded in June, he would still be owed a trade kicker on 16-17, but in July that year it's officially off the books

:tu. Solid info. Thanks.

[cjw]

I think I would rather have Green at 10 million than Iggy at 17.

Yes, but it also means the Warriors losing Iggy. That reduces the difference.

[Chinook]

Yes, but it also means the Warriors losing Iggy. That reduces the difference.

But not really. They'll replace Iggy just fine with someone else throwing themselves at the team. They made McGee look like a good player. They'd do the same with Tyreke or whomever signs up.

[Vic Petro]

Aldridge is definitely gone and Green is likely gone too. Parker will never be cut or traded. I'd put CP3 chances <5%. They're signing George Hill. The rest goes to bigs.

[picnroll]

New CBA I believe allows the player to waive the trade kicker so Spurs can ask him to do that in consideration of moving him if they want to try to play hardball.

[rastaspur]

Wonder how much it takes dollar wise to get iggy to jump ship. I am not advocating for the spurs to do it but would like to see another team do it.

17 to 20 million a year is my guess.

[Chinook]

New CBA I believe allows the player to waive the trade kicker so Spurs can ask him to do that in consideration of moving him if they want to try to play hardball.

Haven't heard anything about that. Current rule is that it can be waived to match salaries. If that's still true, it's not something the team or LMA can actually control.

[picnroll]

That's what I heard on a Dunc'd on podcast. New change. They were discussing it in relation to Melo's situation I believe.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @WojVerticalNBA
(https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA) 25s (https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/879885314080342016)
Oklahoma City is exercising its $1.5M team option on Jerami Grant, league sources tell @TheVertical (https://twitter.com/TheVertical/).

[Chinook]

Used to really like Grant. Think OKC hurt him.

[picnroll]

Haven't heard anything about that. Current rule is that it can be waived to match salaries. If that's still true, it's not something the team or LMA can actually control.

Here's an article mentioning Melo's ability to waive the trade kicker.

http://fansided.com/2017/02/15/nba-trade-deadline-portfolio-carmelo-anthony/

[rastaspur]

Grant has an interesting range of skills. Crazy athlete. If he fine tuned his shot he could really turn into a steady and solid 3 point shooter. I would love for the spurs to have him.

He would be what livio was supposed to be with a workable 3 point shot.

[tholdren]

Used to really like Grant. Think OKC hurt him.

Bust. Worse than chris quinn tbh

[rastaspur]

Bust. Worse than chris quinn tbh

That's a stretch, bro.

[GSH]

Oklahoma City is exercising its $1.5M team option on Jerami Grant, league sources tell @TheVertical.

Day in and day out, Ace brings the goods. Reminds me a lot of someone else you used to used to post here, and made it so I didn't even have to go out looking for Spurs info. Coincidence?

Either way, thanks for all the good updates.


New CBA I believe allows the player to waive the trade kicker so Spurs can ask him to do that in consideration of moving him if they want to try to play hardball.

Also good info. I hadn't heard anything about that. :tu

[objective]

My memory is that the new rules have it so the kicker can only be waived under certain conditions, like if there receiving team doesn't have enough room because of being hard capped and that preventing a deal like the Clippers in a possible melo trade last year.

I don't think it can be waived at will, and I believe that's what the Dunc'd On Podcast had

I could be wrong

[Ice009]

Klaynus would be a good fit. PATFO even wanted him over Kawhi in the 2011 draft.

I don't recall hearing this? Has anyone else?


What you said is wrong. You said he'd be gone already by now if he was going to be traded. Did you not?

He's gone. Spurs will trade him for salary if it comes down to it. He's no part of their future.

What happens if they have to trade for salary and the only player/s they can get back are ones of bad contracts that don't expire for another 2-3 years? I would not do that. I'd rather keep Aldridge for another year and then clear his space of the books. If they trade for salary, they can't take on anyone that is average and have him locked in for 2, 3 or even 4 years.


Teams can't even trade guys right now can they? Not until FA begins?

Anyone know if verbal agreements can be reached right now on trades, or not until July 1st? I know a lot of deals are done between July 1st and the date you can sign players (July 7th?), but no actual signings can take place until July 7th, right?

btw, has anyone seen DeMarcus Cousins lately? I saw a picture of him yesterday and it looks like he's lost a lot of weight. Looks like he's been working really hard (unlike that piece of shit Aldridge) at the behest of Alvin Gentry. I heard that Gentry wants to play him as a point Center. He could be faster and more dynamic next season.

[objective]

Other minutae:

If he had an ETO in his last year instead of a player option, he would get the trade kicker applied for the final also BUT it would added instead to the non-eto year.

So instead of having to match on 23 it would have been 26.

Thanks, LMA agent! Unless I'm understanding things wrong.

[Snaq O'Meal]

I don't recall hearing this? Has anyone else?

See

http://fadeawayworld.com/2017/05/08/2011-nba-draft-the-spurs-wanted-to-draft-klay-thompson-not-kawhi-leonard/

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/what-might-have-been-the-spurs-tried-to-trade-up-and-draft-warriors-klay-thompson-in-2011/



btw, has anyone seen DeMarcus Cousins lately? I saw a picture of him yesterday and it looks like he's lost a lot of weight. Looks like he's been working really hard (unlike that piece of shit Aldridge) at the behest of Alvin Gentry. I heard that Gentry wants to play him as a point Center. He could be faster and more dynamic next season.

Kawhi actually gets along quite well with DMC.

The only thing coming in between them teaming up is Poop.

[BatManu20]

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[Mr. Body]

I don't believe Paul to Houston for a second.

[Hoops Czar]

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Don't you wish the Spurs had a player on the roster that knew how to advocate?

[Hoops Czar]

I don't believe Paul to Houston for a second.

I don't believe Paul to the Spurs for .5 seconds.

[coachmac87]

Don't you wish the Spurs had a player on the roster that knew how to advocate?

Nope..not professional tbh..

[Emperor]

Don't you wish the Spurs had a player on the roster that knew how to advocate?

If Kawhi needs some help to win another title you would think that he would get in on the recruiting in some way. Unless he just leaves it up to the FO.

[ace3g]

Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
(https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine) 36m (https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/879918859582656514)
Link to the latest on the Houston Rockets' rise to become a serious threat in the Chris Paul Sweepstakes --> espn.com/nba/story/_/id… (https://t.co/Gq2dOqq8Xp)

[Hoops Czar]

If Kawhi needs some help to win another title you would think that he would get in on the recruiting in some way. Unless he just leaves it up to the FO.

Leaving it up to RC Buford to do anything would be suicide.

[rastaspur]

If Kawhi needs some help to win another title you would think that he would get in on the recruiting in some way. Unless he just leaves it up to the FO.

I don't think kawhi is suited for recruiting. Besides, he does everything else. Let's give him a break.

Yep. Waterboy shouldn't be given those responsibilities. Just keep him locked in the gym.

[Nathan89]

Kawhi isn't a needy bitch. He'll be at the meeting when they come to SA if he isn't busy.

[TheDoctor]

Leaving it up to RC Buford to do anything would be a hangover.
FIFY

[tholdren]

Nope..not professional tbh..

Boom. New nba acts like they scored first touchdown any time anything happens. Whatever happened to hard, cold blooded, players that just went about their business being a bad ass? Just KL?

[TheDoctor]

Also, I don't believe any of these Roxs' rumors btw. Always seems so fake.

[Hoops Czar]

FIFY

:lol

[Hoops Czar]

Nope..not professional tbh..

Nonsense! This is the NBA. Players like to be adored, coddled, made to feel important. They don't like to be ignored.

[Robz4000]

Just imagining CP0 and Harden on the same team is hilarious.

[Blackjack]

I don't think kawhi is suited for recruiting. Besides, he does everything else. Let's give him a break.

Yep. Waterboy shouldn't be given those responsibilities. Just keep him locked in the gym.

Pretty much.

I know he's got pride, don't think he would ever ask for anything.

Only thing that trips me up, is Pop.

I've never seen him play to the media and practically bitch for justice or sympathy the way he has recently since Kawhi became the MVP.

I think there's genuine fear to cater to him not to leave. He's quiet like Tim, but he's not Tim - and I don't think Pop has the pulse on him like Tim, either.

[Uriel]

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Phoenix 2.0, tbh.

[coachmac87]

Nonsense! This is the NBA. Players like to be adored, coddled, made to feel important. They don't like to be ignored.

That's where Pop comes into play and it's why he's so loved/respected across the league by opposing players...

And tbh player coach relationships are waaaaaaay more important then two players being BFFS etc.

[coachmac87]

Pretty much.

I know he's got pride, don't think he would ever ask for anything.

Only thing that trips me up, is Pop.

I've never seen him play to the media and practically bitch for justice or sympathy the way he has recently since Kawhi became the MVP.

I think there's genuine fear to cater to him not to leave. He's quiet like Tim, but he's not Tim - and I don't think Pop has the pulse on him like Tim, either.

Excellent post..it's naive for fans or PATFO to assume that Kawhi is sticking around his entire career...you have to manage with the proper fear and give Kawhi a true fighters chance these next two years....I think it's this thinking that has them swinging for the fence with Paul and maybe more

[TimDunkem]

Exactly. Spurs can't afford to dick around with Kawhi now that he's the second best player in the world and now in his PRIME. Time to surround him with young talent and some REAL star power. No more pussies like LMA, old men, or one-trick ponies.

[Hoops Czar]

That's where Pop comes into play and it's why he's so loved/respected across the league by opposing players...

And tbh player coach relationships are waaaaaaay more important then two players being BFFS etc.

You can respect someone from afar and not play for them too. I don't think CP3 has Pringles on his mind if he joins the Rockets just like he won't have Rivers on his mind if he signs a new 5 year deal with the clippers. We're talking about two coaches with very little championship pedigree between them and CP3 could give a crap about how much they like him. CP3 is a world class advocator and the team who signs him will have the inside track to LeBron.

[coachmac87]

You can respect someone from afar and not play for them too. I don't think CP3 has Pringles on his mind if he joins the Rockets just like he won't have Rivers on his mind if he signs a new 5 year deal with the clippers. We're talking about two coaches with very little championship pedigree between them and CP3 could give a crap about how much they like him. CP3 is a world class advocator and the team who signs him will have the inside track to LeBron.

I think Doc would be the only thing keeping CP3 in LAC..especially if Griffin bolts. CP3 has played with great players but never a great coach... he'd have both in SA for the first time in his career.

Maybe I'm wrong but I feel Pop is the MAIN selling point for Paul not so much Kawhi...

[marinoman]

So many reports with solid free agents out there, July 1 can't come soon enough. Last year it was kd and the only other big name was Horfag

[cutewizard]

Name me a better option in FA thats more realistic.


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[Mal]

Say he's 32 and not 27/28. I'd still prefer Ibaka at 32 for 3 more years instead of overpaying J. Green. It's not close.

Ibaka could be 40 in real life. You cannot really track the age of african player.

[TimDunkem]

Ibaka is 40 now? :lol

[Emperor]

Ibaka could be 40 in real life. You cannot really track the age of african player.

He's pretty darn good for a 40 y/o then lol.

[Mal]

He's pretty darn good for a 40 y/o then lol.

Yeah, but you are considering paying him top dollars, when his main advantage is athletism. Many africans footballer (round ball, not egg one) literaly stop playing at "age 30-32", when guy with proven age, are in their primes. Ibaka can be 27, can be 35. Not worth a risk on 4 year deal.

He moved to France at age 17. You don't know if this is legit, most likely not.

Just for lulz. Winner is 12.
http://i.imgur.com/Qf19lOB.jpg

[Emperor]

Yeah, but you are considering paying him top dollars, when his main advantage is athletism. Many africans footballer (round ball, not egg one) literaly stop playing at "age 30-32", when guy with proven age, are in their primes. Ibaka can be 27, can be 35. Not worth a risk on 4 year deal.

He moved to France at age 17. You don't know if this is legit, most likely not.

Just for lulz. Winner is 12.
http://i.imgur.com/Qf19lOB.jpg

He looks twice their age :lol

[Chinook]

Here's an article mentioning Melo's ability to waive the trade kicker.

http://fansided.com/2017/02/15/nba-trade-deadline-portfolio-carmelo-anthony/

Yes, but that's what I had already said. Melo can't just waive his kicker to be nice. He can only waive it to make salaries match, and even then, he can only waive the amount he needs to make it work, not a cent more.

[picnroll]

Yes, but that's what I had already said. Melo can't just waive his kicker to be nice. He can only waive it to make salaries match, and even then, he can only waive the amount he needs to make it work, not a cent more.
Didn't know there was no change. Nevertheless Aldridge may be more willing to accept trades that would involve him waiving the trade kicker since one of his primary focuses is to be placed in a situation that will make him look good and increase his value for his next contract, not so much the money lost in the kicker. He wants out and he'll have to help to make that happen.

[cutewizard]

Aldridge for Porzingis,can this work?

[cjw]

Aldridge for Porzingis,can this work?

Just stop, not happening especially with Phil gone. They want at least two top 5-ish picks anyway

[picnroll]

Yes, but that's what I had already said. Melo can't just waive his kicker to be nice. He can only waive it to make salaries match, and even then, he can only waive the amount he needs to make it work, not a cent more.
Actually I think I was right, there's no restriction on a player waiving his kicker in the new CBA. Go to the 37:15 minute mark of the NBA Award, NYK, Phoenix Dunc'd On Podcast.

[mo7888]

Just stop, not happening especially with Phil gone. They want at least two top 5-ish picks anyway

One has to wonder what Phil's replacement values though...how important is cap space to a team that loves to throw big money at over the hill vets? If we packaged lma and green plus a future 1st would they give him up if they could dump Noah plus lee?

[Namundy]

I like the idea of Hill coming back (at the right price) since he appears to be a good fit, especially with the offense running through Kawhi. However, I'm not so sure he wants to come back to San Antonio. I know there's the whole "Pop's favorite player" thing, but the fact remains that we traded him. Yes, we got Kawhi and yes we did him right by sending him to Indy, but at the end of the day it's still a bruised ego.

[Seventyniner]

I like the idea of Hill coming back (at the right price) since he appears to be a good fit, especially with the offense running through Kawhi. However, I'm not so sure he wants to come back to San Antonio. I know there's the whole "Pop's favorite player" thing, but the fact remains that we traded him. Yes, we got Kawhi and yes we did him right by sending him to Indy, but at the end of the day it's still a bruised ego.

Kawhi turning out to be a superstar might assuage that somewhat. Would you be mad if you were traded for Durant?

[Namundy]

I get what you're saying, I just think people are jumping to conclusions assuming Hill would be head over heels to return. You're right, he understands now why the trade was made but it doesn't change the fact that it was a bit of a gamble at the time.

[NASpurs]

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[TheDoctor]

I get what you're saying, I just think people are jumping to conclusions assuming Hill would be head over heels to return. You're right, he understands now why the trade was made but it doesn't change the fact that it was a bit of a gamble at the time.

I agree :tu

[Mr. Body]

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Well, if you're going to leak that you're considering it, you might as well fire him.

[Chinook]

Actually I think I was right, there's no restriction on a player waiving his kicker in the new CBA. Go to the 37:15 minute mark of the NBA Award, NYK, Phoenix Dunc'd On Podcast.

Indeed. Provided that they are right, you were right. I didn't know one way or the other. I was saying that the article you posted was talking about the current rule Thanks for bringing that to my attention, though.

[picnroll]

Indeed. Provided that they are right, you were right. I didn't know one way or the other. I was saying that the article you posted was talking about the current rule Thanks for bringing that to my attention, though.
More than welcome. Pretty sure that's the first and only time in my life I'll be able to point out something about the CBA to you.

[NASpurs]

Long ass article with different scenarios on the ways the Spurs could go in the free agency.

https://theringer.com/2017-nba-free-agency-san-antonio-spurs-plans-chris-paul-b9b9a0530ae7

The Spurs Are the Sleeping Giant of Free Agency

[MaNu4Tres]

Long ass article with different scenarios on the ways the Spurs could go in the free agency.

https://theringer.com/2017-nba-free-agency-san-antonio-spurs-plans-chris-paul-b9b9a0530ae7

The Spurs Are the Sleeping Giant of Free Agency

We've been through more scenarios here on ST. This info is old.

[LittleCriminal]

Im not sure why CP3 would choose Houston... Less touches, no chance to rang, shit city in general. (lived there)
If America was a human, houston would be its butthole.
Might as well stay with the clipps and collect that bigger check.

[cd98]

Aldridge for Porzingis,can this work?

All this talk will end now that PJ is fired. No way a smart GM trades their best, young player.

[Dex]

We've been through more scenarios here on ST. This info is old.

I think we've covered just about every scenario on SpursTalk so far.

[tdunk21]

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After Chris Paul agreed to opt-in on contract, Clippers are trading All-Star guard to the Houston Rockets, league sources tell @TheVertical (https://twitter.com/TheVertical)

[TimDunkem]

But, but he'll never go to Houston!

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[RD2191]

WTF :lol

[TimDunkem]

For a few bags of chips too. Ouch. :lmao Spurs.

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[Ice009]

WOW. Spurs are left holding their dicks right about now. Don't even get a sit down meeting.

[TimDunkem]

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[coachmac87]

Damn Spurs didn't even get a meeting...

[cd98]

George Hill will sign with Spurs. Book it.

[Ice009]

Ask for a fucking trade Kawhi. You'll get nothing in San Antonio. They can't bring anyone over. They got lucky as shit in the lottery, lucky to get Manu and TP, lucky that you turned yourself into a great player.

I'm pretty sure the turmoil with LMA is also scaring players off. I hope the Spurs front office wasn't banking on making a serious run at Chris Paul.

[Dancelot]

On to George hill I guess

[eDizzle20]

George Hill will sign with Spurs. Book it.
My thoughts exactly.

[NickiRasgo]

Well to be fair he said he'll sign with the Rockets. Spurs can't trade anything if they can't land CP3.

[Chinook]

THANK FUCKING GOD!

[cd98]

If Harden talked CP3 into coming to the Rockets, it's not Pop/RC fault. Did Kawhi call Paul?

[RD2191]

Why the fuck would anyone want to overpay Hill? He's not worth what he'll be asking for.

[TimDunkem]

Why the fuck would anyone want to overpay Hill? He's not worth what he'll be asking for.
Can't wait for his 3 assists a game and disappearing act in the playoffs.

[Dancelot]

THANK FUCKING GOD!
:lol

[cjw]

No idea why Clippers took that shit sandwich of an offer. But whatever, Rockets are better today while Clippers are significantly weakened.

I'd call Clippers immediately on Beverley.

Also, not sure if Blake is more likely to stay or leave now

[Ice009]

Why the fuck would anyone want to overpay Hill? He's not worth what he'll be asking for.

Yeah, I don't want to overpay Hill either. Fuck, Spurs are going to get nothing decent. They're going to come back with a worse team. LMA has really screwed us over.

I think I'd rather get Blake Griffin. If only I could trust he'd be healthy, I'd go after him. Spurs Vs Rockets in the playoffs and Griffin Vs Paul would be a nice grudge match.

[Jdspur20]

I don't see how that's going to work with Harden.
I still think Spurs have some tricks up there sleeves for FA.

[cd98]

THANK FUCKING GOD!

Don't count your lucky stars. Clips have a way of backing out of deals during made during the moratorium.

[cjw]

Can't wait for his 3 assists a game and disappearing act in the playoffs.

You mean beating CP3 in the playoffs like he did last year?

[Snaq O'Meal]

WOW. Spurs are left holding their dicks right about now. Don't even get a sit down meeting.

Maybe RC is still on vacation?

Anyway, it's still a little early for him to start his annual dumpster-diving for D-League talent.

[TimDunkem]

Yeah, I don't want to overpay Hill either. Fuck, Spurs are going to get nothing decent. They're going to come back with a worse team. LMA has really screwed us over.
Either that or only marginally better. Meanwhile, EVERYONE is upgrading. Not even GS stood pat as they bought first round talent in the draft.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You guys assume the Spurs really wanted Paul. He never made sense. We would have had to gut our team for the cap space, making us much weaker just to say we have Paul with Kawhi.

The Spurs have always tried to maximize value in the offseason. It was always much more likely they'd do something like go after Hill + another player than sell the farm for Paul. Hell, with our draft night, it wouldn't surprise if our entire free agency shopping spree was spent on the front court.

[TimDunkem]

You mean beating CP3 in the playoffs like he did last year?
Only to go down in a heap. :lol

[TimDunkem]

Yeah the Rockets really had to gut their team for him.

[picnroll]

Wonder if Blake stays around or bolts now. Get Blake to say he's signing with the Spurs and maybe we can get him for Aldridge in a trade.

[cd98]

Can't wait for his 3 assists a game and disappearing act in the playoffs.

If healthy, I like his D vs GSW over CP3. Love CP3, but I think he would cost too much. Watch. Spurs will get Hill on a good contract. Spurs don't do bad contracts.

[Jdspur20]

CP3 going to Houston doesn't scare me at all.
That team still can't play D to save there lives. And keep in mind Pringles is still the coach.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Paul had a better team in L.A. with Blake, Jordan, and Crawford. Dumbass.

[Ice009]

Yeah the Rockets really had to gut their team for him.

Yeah, the Rockets almost gave up nothing for him. I love Beverly, but if you're basically swapping him for Chris Paul, then you've won that trade by a landslide.

[look_at_g_shred]

I'm down for a Aldridge for Griffin trade. You assume Clips are going to be searching for picks as they don't have many.

[TimDunkem]

Yeah, the Rockets almost gave up nothing for him. I love Beverly, but if you're basically swapping him for Chris Paul, then you've won that trade by a landslide.
Love how people are trying to spin this as a bad thing for Houston to convince themselves that this is a good thing. If you can give up a few turds for CP3 you do it.

[Joseph Kony]

at least we know Pringles will probably play him 40mpg in the regular season setting him up for his annual playoff injury

[TimDunkem]

I'm down for a Aldridge for Griffin trade. You assume Clips are going to be searching for picks as they don't have many.
ST doesn't want him. Now, apparently, they didn't want CP3 after all either. :lol

[cd98]

Yeah, the Rockets almost gave up nothing for him. I love Beverly, but if you're basically swapping him for Chris Paul, then you've won that trade by a landslide.

Thats a great trade for Rockets.

[Ice009]

You guys assume the Spurs really wanted Paul. He never made sense. We would have had to gut our team for the cap space, making us much weaker just to say we have Paul with Kawhi.

The Spurs have always tried to maximize value in the offseason. It was always much more likely they'd do something like go after Hill + another player than sell the farm for Paul. Hell, with our draft night, it wouldn't surprise if our entire free agency shopping spree was spent on the front court.

Well that coach dude on this forum seemed to think the Spurs were making CP3 the number one priority in the off-season. Geez, his sources either suck ass or he was making it all up, or the Spurs are that inept at going after big name free agents, they may as well stop wasting their time trying in the future. They can't seem to get any of them. May as well ask Kawhi if he wants to be traded.

[Jdspur20]

Paul had a better team in L.A. with Blake, Jordan, and Crawford. Dumbass.

This.

[rjv]

Love how people are trying to spin this as a bad thing for Houston to convince themselves that this is a good thing. If you can give up a few turds for CP3 you do it. i don't get that posters are arguing this is a bad thing for houston. they definitely got the better end of that trade. but the deal is not the best one for CP3 if his endgame is a title. he won't get it in houston with that roster. now, there may still be some more in the works there. in fact, i would think there would have to be. why else would CP3 go there? unless he really thinks that he is the missing piece.

[cjw]

Yeah, the Rockets almost gave up nothing for him. I love Beverly, but if you're basically swapping him for Chris Paul, then you've won that trade by a landslide.

They didn't have to give up anything. Technically could have found someone to dump Anderson or Gordon on and call it a day.

[SuperCam]

PAFTO staying pat per par, no doubt, while wasting Kiwi's prime :bang

[Mal]

Spurs going defense + depth ? Hill coming in ? What with all that LMA drama ?

[TimDunkem]

This.
Lol at thinking they're done making moves. :lol

[Ice009]

i don't get that posters are arguing this is a bad thing for houston. they definitely got the better end of that trade. but the deal is not the best one for CP3 if his endgame is a title. he won't get it in houston with that roster. now, there may still be some more in the works there. in fact, i would think there would have to be. why else would CP3 go there? unless he really thinks that he is the missing piece.

Rockets could still make some big moves. I read they could clear up space to get two stars. Do the salaries match for what they're trading now?

[look_at_g_shred]

Spurs should be making phone calls to LA about Blake/Reddick/Crawford

[Mal]

So Clippers are going back to being Clippers

[Ice009]

Maybe they go for Paul George too. Who knows. Maybe with Paul and Harden other players will want to get on the wagon now.

[RD2191]

I don't want to be that guy but we possibly lose to Houston in the 2nd round if Nene doesn't go down. At the end of the day the Roxs were the 3 seed out West and just got a major upgrade at PG without losing any major pieces, this move could easily put them past the Spurs if it works out.

[cd98]

Kawhi better get on the phone. That's the new way for teams to get superstar free agents to come.

[Jdspur20]

Lol at thinking they're done making moves. :lol

I didn't state they were done. As it stands now he has a better team in LA.

[raybies]

To all you wanting CP3... This guy seriously doesn't get it and yall wanted him lol
https://media.giphy.com/media/xT8qB7Sbwskk27Rdy8/giphy.gif

[pad300]

Spurs should be making phone calls to LA about Blake/Reddick/Crawford

Blake yes, as an Aldridge S&T. No to Reddick or Crawford - both are getting old and are not worth the amount they want.

[Jdspur20]

So Clippers are going back to being Clippers

Yep

[NickiRasgo]

Atleast Spurs won't overpay CP3. Hope Hill gives Spurs a discount if they will go after him.

[rjv]

Rockets could still make some big moves. I read they could clear up space to get two stars. Do the salaries match for what they're trading now? since CP3 opted in, i would assume they do. and i would have guessed they would go after blake if not for the rumors that blake is sick of CP3.

[Chinook]

This obviously helps Lowry's market. I was hoping for the team to get him at a discount relative to Paul, but he's likely going to have his pick of max deals now. Wonder if Blake would opt in for a trade with LMA. I like him as a player with Kawhi and don't think he'll decline enough due to age to make him a bad player. But those injuries are scary.

[Spurs9]

Spurs going defense + depth ? Hill coming in ? What with all that LMA drama ?

Getting George Hill isn't going to get us anywhere.

[coachmac87]

Well that coach dude on this forum seemed to think the Spurs were making CP3 the number one priority in the off-season. Geez, his sources either suck ass or he was making it all up, or the Spurs are that inept at going after big name free agents, they may as well stop wasting their time trying in the future. They can't seem to get any of them. May as well ask Kawhi if he wants to be traded.


I never made up anything. I just shared what I was told..I can't help if it's true or not. But Spurs typically don't put their players on open market unless they planned on something big or moving them..

I stressed on this board Paul was leaving Clippers and SA made sense..but things can change rapidly and it truly shows nobody really knows..maybe not even some people involved.

[TimDunkem]

I didn't state they were done. As it stands now he has a better team in LA.
With Blake being injured all the time, no real SF on the team, and JJ likely gone? Yeah sure, buddy.

[Mr. Body]

I don't get this for Chris Paul at all. I'm not sure the Rockets get to the ECF even now, but we'll see.

[cjw]

Maybe they go for Paul George too. Who knows. Maybe with Paul and Harden other players will want to get on the wagon now.

Unless they're trading Capella and Gordon, not happening. Trading Capella would leave them with Ryan Anderson has only big with no cap room.

With this, they'll be able to operate over cap though and have full MLE. Could land a big for $8mm

[look_at_g_shred]

This obviously helps Lowry's market. I was hoping for the team to get him at a discount relative to Paul, but he's likely going to have his pick of max deals now. Wonder if Blake would opt in for a trade with LMA. I like him as a player with Kawhi and don't think he'll decline enough due to age to make him a bad player. But those injuries are scary.
But how many years does he have left on his contract?

[TimDunkem]

Atleast Spurs won't overpay CP3. Hope Hill gives Spurs a discount if they will go after him.
A discount that still leaves the Spurs paying at least 20 million. :lol

[TimDunkem]

I don't get this for Chris Paul at all. I'm not sure the Rockets get to the ECF even now, but we'll see.
Well, they play in the WC so.....

[rjv]

so now, who is the PG the spurs set their sights on? hill? and decimate the rest of their cap? or go for a middle tier PG and then go after another name such as Haywood or Griffin?

[Chinook]

But how many years does he have left on his contract?

Expiring.

[tholdren]

Unless they're trading Capella and Gordon, not happening. Trading Capella would leave them with Ryan Anderson has only big with no cap room.

With this, they'll be able to operate over cap though and have full MLE. Could land a big for $8mm

No one needs a big in this league. Wtf do people not understand about this. There is no big dominating the game. No big is skilled enough to dominate, and no player is smart enough to play through a big.

[raybies]

and now the blake moves... like harlem said fa's don't want to come here... our best luck is with character guys that value what we can bring to the table. Guys like Hill and Millsap tbh Pau Gasol another. Yall just need to stop pretending we are like every other team out there. We have standards and it's about time we go back to them.

[noles1983]

Do not want Hill for $20 million. Roll with Murray and some other low budget guy. Do not want even more salary tied up with 2 mediocre point guards.

[Jdspur20]

With Blake being injured all the time, no real SF on the team, and JJ likely gone? Yeah sure, buddy.

Yes.. You can apply that to any team in any situation. My aguement assumes healthy of course.

[Jdspur20]

Expiring.

Be interesting to see what happens next summer if the rockets implode this year.

[RD2191]

and now the blake moves... like harlem said fa's don't want to come here... our best luck is with character guys that value what we can bring to the table. Guys like Hill and Millsap tbh Pau Gasol another. Yall just need to stop pretending we are like every other team out there. We have standards and it's about time we go back to them.

I have to wholeheartedly agree with this. Our two big free agent signings have been major fails. RJ/LMA

[TimDunkem]

and now the blake moves... like harlem said fa's don't want to come here... our best luck is with character guys that value what we can bring to the table. Guys like Hill and Millsap tbh Pau Gasol another. Yall just need to stop pretending we are like every other team out there. We have standards and it's about time we go back to them.
Fuck no to Hill. Even on a discount, he'll want too much.

[NickiRasgo]

A discount that still leaves the Spurs paying at least 20 million. :lol

Damn. Besides Hill was traded even if he's Pop's favorite player before so won't probably gives a discount. :lol

[gambit1990]

maybe the spurs couldn't clear enough space?

didn't have a deal for la they liked, didn't want to or couldn't get rid of parker?

[tholdren]

Fuck no to Hill. Even on a discount, he'll want too much.

And he sucks

[cjw]

No one needs a big in this league. Wtf do people not understand about this. There is no big dominating the game. No big is skilled enough to dominate, and no player is smart enough to play through a big.

Do you understand defense? Good luck having Anderson as your lone big.

[Mr. Body]

I have to wholeheartedly agree with this. Our two big free agent signings have been major fails. RJ/LMA

I'd say Gasol was a big signing.

[Chinook]

I'd say Gasol was a big signing.

Especially since Jefferson wasn't.

[Mal]

My take is that Spurs decided it's not worth to chase Paul at price he was asking. Clippers probably were told that he won't resign with them, so they've taken at least something for him. Spurs could have easily matched this offer if wanted, but my guess is that supermax or close to supermax deal is ready in place, with full no trade and other stuff, and Spurs decided that this is not worth it. Paul gets to other team, gets the money. He is a winner.

What next for Spurs. The question is situation with LMA. This all could be bullshit, or something is there.
Spurs could now even do snt for Blake Griffin giving LMA and 2018 FRP.
Spurs could pay Gasol this 16 mil, sign Simmons and wait for 2018 summer.
Spurs could sign Gasol 24/3, sign Simmon, trade LMA for nothing, sign Millsap/Blake and Hill. There are plenty options left.

I just wonder, why Spurs give up on Paul.

[TimDunkem]

Pfft. Gasol airballs layups.

[raybies]

Do not want Hill for $20 million. Roll with Murray and some other low budget guy. Do not want even more salary tied up with 2 mediocre point guards.

I was making a point that we should be prioritizing fit more than just talent. We have a system. We don't have to rely on pure natural skill. We aren't iso heavy or at least not recently.

I personally hope we get players to go back to the beautiful game.... I know some people dont want to hear that, but the death blow to that offense was Aldridge and his lack of IQ and passing ability. I'll be keeping an eye on what kind of players we bring in.

Anyways a lot of these free agents y'all want are unrealistic and don't fit. They just have a lot of talent. Spurs in the Big 3 era were overachievers and developed over time. We really only had one superstar and that was Duncan. Now we have Kawhi. He's the man. We don't need conflicting talent. We need complimentary stars like Parker and Ginobili. And while it doesn't have the buzz of a Paul or Griffin, Hill and Millsap are the perfect kind of complimentary stars. We'll see what PATFO does but I just don't want to go through a LMA drama all over again, just because. He's not a Spur, never was and was brought in as a stop gap and most these FA"s are the same. Why waste time. Imo PATFO will look for character guys that fit the system. Yes they are going to do their due diligence as they should but when they enevitably say no we go with what will probably be what's best in the first place.

[TimDunkem]

My take is that Spurs decided it's not worth to chase Paul at price he was asking. Clippers probably were told that he won't resign with them, so they've taken at least something for him. Spurs could have easily matched this offer if wanted, but my guess is that supermax or close to supermax deal is ready in place, with full no trade and other stuff, and Spurs decided that this is not worth it. Paul gets to other team, gets the money. He is a winner.

What next for Spurs. The question is situation with LMA. This all could be bullshit, or something is there.
Spurs could now even do snt for Blake Griffin giving LMA and 2018 FRP.
Spurs could pay Gasol this 16 mil, sign Simmons and wait for 2018 summer.
Spurs could sign Gasol 24/3, sign Simmon, trade LMA for nothing, sign Millsap/Blake and Hill. There are plenty options left.

I just wonder, why Spurs give up on Paul.
Trading LMA still doesn't leave you with enough space for Millsap and Hill. Also, Hill sucks.

[tholdren]

Do you understand defense? Good luck having Anderson as your lone big.

Do you understand basketball in the nba. The trash about "rim protector" is absolutely stupid. Spurs bigs are terrible on defense. Its not needed. The nba does not have spots anymore. And if you think it does, you should stop posting.

[Mal]

Is San Antonio such shithole, that nowone wants to go there and live ?

[rjv]

a S&T for Griffin would make some sense as the clippers get something back and only really have to test drive LMA for one year (unless LMA opts in next summer). spurs would have to risk the injuries that come with Blake though.

[RD2191]

I'd say Gasol was a big signing.

And also a failure.

[Chinook]

Well now that there's no need to worry about recruiting Paul, Parker should the player most on the trade block. Move him, get the best offensive guard you can with the cap space, re-up Gasol and try to find another Dedmon with the room exception.

Guard, Murray, White
Green, Simmons, Forbes
Leonard, Anderson, Hanga
Aldridge, Bertans, Blossomgame
RE big, Gasol, Milutinov

Just be prepared to blow that group up and start over next year.

[RD2191]

Is San Antonio such shithole, that nowone wants to go there and live ?

It's not SA, it's Pop and the Spurs culture. Today's players don't want a dictator coach like Pop, they want a coach they can control.

[noles1983]

Is San Antonio such shithole, that nowone wants to go there and live ?

The city is a great place to live, it is a low key working class city. Can be seen as boring, especially for rich athletes. Not exactly a destination of choice for rich african Americans tbh.

[Chinook]

a S&T for Griffin would make some sense as the clippers get something back and only really have to test drive LMA for one year (unless LMA opts in next summer). spurs would have to risk the injuries that come with Blake though.

In a world with a flat cap, yes. But I'm not moving LMA and his $20 Million for Blake and his $30 Million. If Griffin had no injury concerns, it would be tempting. But LMA by and large plays every game and is a more useful player when locked in. While Blake plays to his potential more often, he's not all that reliable.

[raybies]

Fuck no to Hill. Even on a discount, he'll want too much.
i think you will ultimately be wrong. Bobby Marks expect him to get aroun 16 mill per...

[eDizzle20]

Who knows? The Spurs could legitimately be looking at D-Rose. He played well against the Spurs in both games last year even when Kawhi was the primary defender. Maybe a one or two year deal to allow Murray to develop.

[noles1983]

Parker is such an albotross around this teams neck.

[BillMc]

My take is that Spurs decided it's not worth to chase Paul at price he was asking. Clippers probably were told that he won't resign with them, so they've taken at least something for him. Spurs could have easily matched this offer if wanted, but my guess is that supermax or close to supermax deal is ready in place, with full no trade and other stuff, and Spurs decided that this is not worth it. Paul gets to other team, gets the money. He is a winner.

What next for Spurs. The question is situation with LMA. This all could be bullshit, or something is there.
Spurs could now even do snt for Blake Griffin giving LMA and 2018 FRP.
Spurs could pay Gasol this 16 mil, sign Simmons and wait for 2018 summer.
Spurs could sign Gasol 24/3, sign Simmon, trade LMA for nothing, sign Millsap/Blake and Hill. There are plenty options left.

I just wonder, why Spurs give up on Paul.

Yeah. If a Sign and Trade was necessary, then this was a "no" for the Spurs. You can't have 2 supermax deals (because Kawhi will have one shortly) on the same team, your cap would be in tatters. Especially with one of them an againg, undersized pg.

Spurs made the right call if the S and T was Paul's requirement.

[mo7888]

I'd explore getting Beverly from the clips. If they go the rebuilding route they might unload him. I think he'd fit well and save money for Blake, Hayward, etc.

[raybies]

Who knows? The Spurs could legitimately be looking at D-Rose. He played well against the Spurs in both games last year even when Kawhi was the primary defender. Maybe a one or two year deal to allow Murray to develop.
Rose should be cheaper and require less years if the Spurs dont want to sign Hill multiple years. Multiple years for Hill should give pause for concern. Can he stay healthy....

[TimDunkem]

Who knows? The Spurs could legitimately be looking at D-Rose. He played well against the Spurs in both games last year even when Kawhi was the primary defender. Maybe a one or two year deal to allow Murray to develop.Fuck. We've hit rock bottom.

Derrick Rose. :lol

[gambit1990]

Parker is such an albotross around this teams neck.
without a doubt.

been saying for years it's imperative that he gets moved.

[Chinook]

Would be funny if it were Rose. When the dude was a star, he was one of the few guys like Kawhi who didn't seem into recruiting. Truth be told, the Bulls built around him weren't a bad team. But some said players would have joined had he been more welcoming.

[noles1983]

I just want the Spurs to salary dump LMA, TP and not overpay an old ass has been to a long term deal. Is that so much to ask?

[tbdog]

This is probably the best. CP for 2 years is great but Rockets will probably now sign him for 4 more years on top of 1. We really need to prepare for 3 years time when Warriors should be weaker. My pick is Hayward, who would be our defacto playmaker while Murray gets up to speed.

[BatManu20]

Is San Antonio such shithole, that nowone wants to go there and live ?

Yes, tbh. :lol

[TimDunkem]

Yes, tbh. :lol
Tbh and I live here. 50 percent of the city looks like North Mexico, it's deadly hot AND humid 9 months out of the year, public trans and facilities suck, and there's not much to do.

[mo7888]

This is probably the best. CP for 2 years is great but Rockets will probably now sign him for 4 more years on top of 1. We really need to prepare for 3 years time when Warriors should be weaker. My pick is Hayward, who would be our defacto playmaker while Murray gets up to speed.

Hayward would be very high on my list as well.

[Ice009]

I never made up anything. I just shared what I was told..I can't help if it's true or not. But Spurs typically don't put their players on open market unless they planned on something big or moving them..

I stressed on this board Paul was leaving Clippers and SA made sense..but things can change rapidly and it truly shows nobody really knows..maybe not even some people involved.

Aright, look, you may not have made stuff up, but your sources seem off. You implied that the Spurs were going after him as their number one choice, yet there is a ESPN post saying that they weren't that interested in him.

[TimDunkem]

Coachmac makes shit up. He couldn't even get the MVP guess right and everyone knew it was going to be Russ. :lol

[TimDunkem]

Hayward would be very high on my list as well.
He's going to Boston or ultimately staying in Utah. Miami is the dark horse. He's not coming here.

[Mal]

Yeah. If a Sign and Trade was necessary, then this was a "no" for the Spurs. You can't have 2 supermax deals (because Kawhi will have one shortly) on the same team, your cap would be in tatters. Especially with one of them an againg, undersized pg.

Spurs made the right call if the S and T was Paul's requirement.

He wasn't snt. If Spurs were willing to sign him for max in free agency, they would be willing to trade him, and sign him for max next year. Guess Paul wanted both money and new contending team. Spurs required him to give something too. I don't think they weren't interested, because you are. Pelicans got two all-star playing same position, now Houston, they did it, because all-star was available for them.

[Mal]

Tbh and I live here. 50 percent of the city looks like North Mexico, it's deadly hot AND humid 9 months out of the year, public trans and facilities suck, and there's not much to do.

Then again, as pro athlete you can live wherever in the offseason, but when season will come, it's most likely, gym, hotel, plane, home.

[gambit1990]

Fuck. We've hit rock bottom.

Derrick Rose. :lol
seriously... i don't even like him on the court and i don't know why they are interested with his off court issues. didn't he get in trouble for not wanting to reimburse someone for a sex toy? didn't he just just disappear for a whole day... on a day the knicks played? :lol

wtf spurs?

who needs cp3 when you can have injured tony and derrick rose :pop:

[raybies]

Would be funny if it were Rose. When the dude was a star, he was one of the few guys like Kawhi who didn't seem into recruiting. Truth be told, the Bulls built around him weren't a bad team. But some said players would have joined had he been more welcoming.
Spurs might have a lot of stock in Murray and believe he can be the PG of the future. So let's be realistic, Derrick Rose is the kind of reclamation project the Spurs do from time to time and when you factor in less years and less money, its kind of a win win, low risk high reward type scenario. I mean Hill is for sure gonna want years if anything. That's a long time to commit to someone when you want Murray to be the PG when the time is right. Spoiled Spurs fans tbh. And for Rose being a reclamation project starting at 18 and 4 ain't bad at all. New York will have the same situation as the Spurs would and that's being a stop gap for the PG of the future except Spurs can compete in the playoffs and Knicks will probably be on the outside looking in.

I'm trying not to look at what I want like most armchair GM's like to do(I do have fun sometimes...) but look at what the Spurs might be seeing and what makes sense from the "Spurs" perspective.

[NASpurs]

THANK FUCKING GOD!

:tu

[Ice009]

Spurs could sign Gasol 24/3, sign Simmon, trade LMA for nothing, sign Millsap/Blake and Hill. There are plenty options left.

I DO NOT want to sign Gasol for 3 more years.

[TimDunkem]

Now people are talking themselves into Rose...

[mo7888]

He's going to Boston or ultimately staying in Utah. Miami is the dark horse. He's not coming here.

That's probably right but, this Paul trade illustrates that we really don't have a clue about what these players have in mind.

[coachmac87]

Aright, look, you may not have made stuff up, but your sources seem off. You implied that the Spurs were going after him, yet this is a ESPN post saying that they weren't really interested in him.

Ok but even in the Marc Stein report it said Spurs were aggressively pursuing...

I'm just putting two and two together...you don't put Green and LMA on the block and risk damage control if you weren't planning something BIG. Or it could all be BS and tbh like I said nobody really knows not even some involved...

[TimDunkem]

That's probably right but, this Paul trade illustrates that we really don't have a clue about what these players have in mind.
I've heard CP3 to the Rockets for over a week now. The Hayward and Bos/UT/Miami thing has been going around all off-season. The writing is on the wall.

[coachmac87]

Coachmac makes shit up. He couldn't even get the MVP guess right and everyone knew it was going to be Russ. :lol

You mean DPOY...

[Mal]

I DO NOT want to sign Gasol for 3 more years.

My take is that, if Spurs are about to sign big FA, Gasol is getting his money on 3yrs deal. If not, he's getting his money next year, and then bon voyage.

[Ice009]

It's not SA, it's Pop and the Spurs culture. Today's players don't want a dictator coach like Pop, they want a coach they can control.

Yeah, you might be right on that. Players don't like tight leashes like Pop puts on his players.

[TimDunkem]

You mean DPOY...
Everyone knew that would be Draymond too.

[noles1983]

If LMA is still on this team when the season starts I will refuse to watch the games.

[bklynspursfan]

880094902654291968

[mo7888]

I've heard CP3 to the Rockets for over a week now. The Hayward and Bos/UT/Miami thing has been going around all off-season. The writing is on the wall.
CP didn't just decide to opt in and request a trade in the last week. This has apparently been brewing for awhile and we just started getting rumbling last week. So the noise doesn't mean very much..

[RD2191]

:lol super teams

[TimDunkem]

Meanwhile, the Spurs are going into the new season with Aldridge, a hungover Green, Gasol on a new lengthy deal, and will wait for TP to return.

[look_at_g_shred]

Guys don't worry! Porzingod is coming..

[TimDunkem]

CP didn't just decide to opt in and request a trade in the last week. This has apparently been brewing for awhile and we just started getting rumbling last week. So the noise doesn't mean very much..
So...youre agreeing with me. OK.