Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[GSH]

Morey is a good GM who knows how to fill his roster, I have no doubts they will fill the void on the bench (though it won't be anyone as good most likely). But if they're going all in for Melo/George like the rumors have it, they may not really care about their punch off the bench as the may feel CP3/Harden/Melo or George/Anderson/Capella is enough firepower. A good bench is nice to have but for a coach like D'antoni who only plays 8 guys in the playoffs, i think they'll be fine


I think kony is right on this one.


LOL. Well for the Spurs' sake, I hope you're both wrong. :lol

I understand the Rockets' wanting to sign a player like CP3 at all costs, and I'm not criticizing it. I sure as hell don't think it made them worse. All I was getting at is that I'm not sure it will make them a better team overall, considering what they gave up. Because I don't think they will be able to land another big name/talent, unless they give up even more. Morey may find a sleeper or two. If he does, it was a power move landing CP3. If he doesn't? Well, the Rockets will be entertaining in the regular season.

[HarlemHeat37]

My only concern with that is he has proven to be good enough with the ball in his hands and Kawhi has the ball in his hands at a forward position.

Same goes for Millsap, though..Millsap's biggest strength is his ball-handling and versatility for a PF IMO..Johnson is essentially a worse version of Millsap on a cheaper contract and with less mileage..

Another thing I like about him is that he's coming from the Heat, the East's version of the Spurs in terms of culture and environment..

[look_at_g_shred]

Holiday>Teague>Hill

[rastaspur]

LOL. Well for the Spurs' sake, I hope you're both wrong. :lol

I understand the Rockets' wanting to sign a player like CP3 at all costs, and I'm not criticizing it. I sure as hell don't think it made them worse. All I was getting at is that I'm not sure it will make them a better team overall, considering what they gave up. Because I don't think they will be able to land another big name/talent, unless they give up even more. Morey may find a sleeper or two. If he does, it was a power move landing CP3. If he doesn't? Well, the Rockets will be entertaining in the regular season.

I hope I am wrong too. I hold no crystal ball. Can't speak to improvement or not really.

I was agreeing more from the sense that if they swing another big move I think Morey can adequately fill holes and needs with role players that fit a limited skill set which may be needed after several other pieces get moved.

If they ship out shooters I imagine he can bring one in, etc.

Morey will try anything and everything. He's like the James brown of gm's. Hardest working man in the biz.

[dylankerouac]

Would anyone take Olynyk?

[TimDunkem]

Nah. We already got a soft, 3 point shooting big manning the paint.

[DPG21920]

Same goes for Millsap, though..Millsap's biggest strength is his ball-handling and versatility for a PF IMO..Johnson is essentially a worse version of Millsap on a cheaper contract and with less mileage..

Another thing I like about him is that he's coming from the Heat, the East's version of the Spurs in terms of culture and environment..

I don't know. Millsap's ball-handling seems to be more useful with him dribbling for his own shot. Johnson's is more of legit playmaking.

[gambit1990]

i can't wait to see the rockets play.

i can't remember a team ever having two outta the top 4, 5 best playmakers in the league.

[HarlemHeat37]

I hope the Spurs don't make any significant moves, tbh..let Aldridge stay(assuming bridges aren't burnt and the reports aren't as accurate as we have heard, otherwise, I guess you have to move him asap ), maybe he can raise his value by next year's deadline and get a high pick..trade Green if you can get a 2018 1st(maybe the deadline, as well, like the Nets and Lakers got for Bogdnov and Williams)..start Murray, give Simmons the bench anchor role(if he's retained), more Bertans PT, sign a 3rd string veteran PG until Parker returns, lose in the 2nd round, let everybody else walk and start fresh..

No more loyalty contracts or feeling an obligation to players that previously sacrificed money or stats..Spurs currently have a ton of those guys on the roster, tbh..tough to maneuver as an organization that operates the way the Spurs do when they probably feel like they owe something to all those guys..

[MaNu4Tres]

I hope the Spurs don't make any significant moves, tbh..let Aldridge stay(assuming bridges aren't burnt and the reports aren't as accurate as we have heard), maybe he can raise his value by next year's deadline and get a high pick..trade Green if you can get a 2018 1st(maybe the deadline, as well, like the Nets and Lakers got for Bogdnov and Williams)..start Murray, give Simmons the bench anchor role(if he's retained), more Bertans PT, sign a 3rd string veteran PG until Parker returns, lose in the 2nd round, let everybody else walk and start fresh..

No more loyalty contracts or feeling an obligation to players that previously sacrificed money or stats..

LaMarcus already has his bags packed and ready to go. He's gone.

Even if Pop and LA made up and Pop told LA he can move in with him, Spurs won't get much at all from LA or Green at the deadline, as they would be 2-3 month rentals.

[HarlemHeat37]

LaMarcus already has his bags packed and ready to go. He's gone.

Spurs won't get much at all from LA or Green at the deadline, as they would be 2-3 month rentals.

The rental part has never affected a team's ability to get value(picks) at the deadline from fringe playoff or fringe contending teams, even as recent as last season..I don't think the Spurs have any chance of getting a good prospect for Aldridge, at this point IMO..they could probably get better value from a fringe-contender team if he raises his stock by February IMO..his on-court value is literally as low as it could possibly be, right now..

As I said in the other post, though, I hope your source and other sources are wrong about the urgency of an Aldridge trade, but you're probably correct..if they can get a high 2018 1st for him, right now, though, I would do it, regardless of whatever else accompanies it(I doubt they could even get that right now, though)..

[sasaint]

I hope Spurs don't keep Patty frankly. It doesn't make sense to draft White, and still have Forbes to develop and then on top of that Dijon and a returning from injury Tony. They are covered in PG at this point with talent. Patty has peaked and is looking to get paid. I have to disagree with you in wanting Patty back. I think Patty is gone, and I wish him well.

As for LMA, I know you are in the camp that hopes he is still here next season but he likely won't be.

All agreed....BUT Why have THREE young PG prospects? Could drafting White signal that Danny's replacement at SG is Dijon, with White slated for PG? Especially if, as you suggested in another post, the Spurs are fairly high on Forbes (higher than almost everybody on ST). Or is one (Forbes?) really fringe-player trade-fodder per the Article?

[MaNu4Tres]

The rental part has never affected a team's ability to get value(picks) at the deadline from fringe playoff or fringe contending teams, even as recent as last season..I don't think the Spurs have any chance of getting a good prospect for Aldridge, at this point IMO..they could probably get better value from a fringe-contender team if he raises his stock by February IMO..his on-court value is literally as low as it could possibly be, right now..

As I said in the other post, though, I hope your source and other sources are wrong about the urgency of an Aldridge trade, but you're probably correct..if they can get a high 2018 1st for him, right now, though, I would do it, regardless of whatever else accompanies it(I doubt they could even get that right now, though)..

If a S & T won't work, they'll dump him for cap space & small asset if they can get Millsap to commit.

LaMarcus' house has been on the market 35 days now. He literally put it on the market a week after Pop called him out. He's gone.

[HarlemHeat37]

If a S & T won't work, they'll dump him for cap space & small asset if they can get Millsap to commit.

LaMarcus' house has been on the market 35 days now. He literally put it on the market a week after Pop called him out. He's gone.

Regardless, all these loyalty contracts will be off the books for next year..no more guaranteed minutes for Parker, Ginobili will be retired, don't have to feel obligation to Green for taking less if he continues to decline as a player, no loyalty to Pau, Aldridge remaining content(if he remains a Spur), etc..Spurs have a lot more baggage on their roster than other teams..

There's no other team in the NBA that has so many off-court variables to consider when building their roster, at the moment..

[Vic Petro]

I don't get the Jrue love. People complain about George Hill being injury prone but Jrue misses a ton of time as well. His 3pt shooting percentages are shit also.

[MaNu4Tres]

Regardless, all these loyalty contracts will be off the books for next year..no more guaranteed minutes for Parker, Ginobili will be retired, don't have to feel obligation to Green for taking less if he continues to decline as a player, no loyalty to Pau, Aldridge remaining content(if he remains a Spur), etc..Spurs have a lot more baggage on their roster than other teams..

I agree. Not meaning to be a dick, but I can't wait til TP just retires. I hope he struggles and see's the light when he tries to hero his way back from this injury.

Love and appreciate him for what he's done, but its time.

[TheGreatYacht]

I agree. Can't wait til Manu just retires. I hope he struggles and see's the light when he tries to hero his way back from double digit scoreless games.

[r0drig0lac]

Anyone high on James Johnson from the Heat? He has decent numbers and is a free agent if we need to unload LaMarcus and need a solid role player.

great player, but I do not see him leaving Miami with the chemistry created last season

[r0drig0lac]

And they won't do anything about it. Durant and Iggy was recruited in the playoffs. The league Office did nothing about.

[Hoops Czar]

I hope the Spurs don't make any significant moves, tbh..let Aldridge stay(assuming bridges aren't burnt and the reports aren't as accurate as we have heard, otherwise, I guess you have to move him asap ), maybe he can raise his value by next year's deadline and get a high pick..trade Green if you can get a 2018 1st(maybe the deadline, as well, like the Nets and Lakers got for Bogdnov and Williams)..start Murray, give Simmons the bench anchor role(if he's retained), more Bertans PT, sign a 3rd string veteran PG until Parker returns, lose in the 2nd round, let everybody else walk and start fresh..
If Aldridge starts the season in a Spurs uniform, there's almost a zero percent chance he'll be traded mid-season unless he's an out of control albatross or the Spurs have a terrible first half to the season. The Spurs won't punt a season unless Kawhi goes down with a season ending injury. It also takes Pop months, not weeks to implement new players into his system so acquiring deadline players is something the Spurs usually try to avoid at all costs. If he isn't traded this off season, you can almost be assured of the fact that He'll opt out in 2018 and the Spurs will get nothing in return.


No more loyalty contracts or feeling an obligation to players that previously sacrificed money or stats..Spurs currently have a ton of those guys on the roster, tbh..tough to maneuver as an organization that operates the way the Spurs do when they probably feel like they owe something to all those guys..



Many seem to ignore the way this organization operates, which is heavily influenced by the culture they have created(which involves loyalty).

This must be your wet dream scenario because even the real you knows this isn't happening. Not sure what makes you think 2018 will be any different. It's not just the big 3. Matt Bonner did absolutely nothing for this organization and look at the nine year career he was gifted. Dude should have been making sandwiches full time by age 27. Don't act like Tony's retiring in 2018 or that Kyle Anderson won't be the next Spur to be gifted an NBA career. Changes like this require changes to personnel and I don't see that happening..

[tbdog]

How cheap could Gay go for?

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/880419815428681728

[ace3g]

David Aldridge @daldridgetnt
(https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt) 5m (https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/880504442549927936)
Will be a strong market for Grizzlies' UFA/perennial DPOY candidate Tony Allen, still an elite wing defender. Likely to sign quickly.

[LittleCriminal]

How cheap could Gay go for?

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/880419815428681728

Id take Gay if the spurs dont make a splash by getting rid of Aldridge..
Put Gay at the 3..have leonard slide to the PG.
Gasol
Aldridge
Gay
Green
Leonard

Sounds good to me.

[rastaspur]

Would anyone take Olynyk?

If the price is right and if/when the aldridge thing shakes out and a center is needed, sure.

[rastaspur]

I will pass on gay. He has more career turnovers than assists and I just don't think he will ever accept being a role player here. His usage rate has always been to high and those things Give me pause for concern.

[Big Empty]

Hill
Green/Simmns
Leonard
Allen

Damn now thats the NBA ANTI-THAAD defense system right there LOL

[ace3g]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania) 50s (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/880508003941855232)
Sources: Warriors' luxury tax moving forward is concern for Golden State and owner Joe Lacob in re-signing Andre Iguodala.





Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania) 35s (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/880508064356552704)
With Iguodala open to leaving Warriors and league interest accelerated, he plans to field offers at midnight Saturday, league sources say.

[jermaine]

Rudy Gay kinda puts you in the Melo Anthony mind. Go but will never be a winner!

[Joseph Kony]

after his "massa" comments you really think Iguodala would ever play for Pop? :lol

[jermaine]

I'd take Tony Allen

[jermaine]

An James Johnson too

[TimDunkem]

I'd take Tony Allen
Nah. I'm tired of watching the Spurs play 4 on 5. We already have that in Danny.

[gambit1990]

i cosign james johnson.

i really want gortat (not a free agent).

[Joseph Kony]

lol Gortat got raped against Boston, a team who doesn't even have a real C. no thanks

[ace3g]

The Vertical @TheVertical

(https://twitter.com/TheVertical)

The potential pitfall of the Warriors' burgeoning dynasty. Front-Office Insider @BobbyMarks42 (https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/). yhoo.it/2ssmel3 (https://t.co/jRGx1th65v)

[cd98]

Spurs have always liked McLemore. I wonder if they make a play for him.

[cd98]

End of death line up for Warriors if Iggy leaves?

[ace3g]

David Aldridge @daldridgetnt
(https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt) 2m (https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/880512925223530496)
Told Wizards will get first shot at locking up Otto Porter. But knowing his representation, they better not mess around & try to negotiate.

[MaNu4Tres]

End of death line up for Warriors if Iggy leaves?

They'll go Jordan Bell - Draymond - KD - Klay - Curry or Draymond - KD - Klay - McCaw - Curry.

[Chinook]

Bell doesn't work for a death lineup because he's still a big man on offense. Maybe he can defend anybody, but guys like Pau can check him without the team being wrecked for it.

[ducks]

Thomas is the one that will be gone

[ducks]

gs owner afraid to pay the tax why did you get Durant then?

[MaNu4Tres]

Bell doesn't work for a death lineup because he's still a big man on offense. Maybe he can defend anybody, but guys like Pau can check him without the team being wrecked for it.

He can defend anyone and be the PnR diver for the other 4 on O (usually its Dray).

McCaw is on the rise and should be getting better while Iggy is on the decline. They can go Draymond KD Klay McCaw Curry as well.

Point being, going forward to 2018, they won't skip a beat and shouldn't pay Iggy.

[gambit1990]

still want john henson.

[TD 21]

James Johnson would make sense on court, because he's an inexpensive, poor man's Draymond Green/Millsap, but he's never had a good reputation, so I can't imagine Spurs signing him.

Mark Deeks has Spurs at $74.788.748M, for 11 players. Add a minimum roster charge and they're at $75M and change. If they could get Millsap, in a sign-and-trade for Aldridge (Hawks could keep or re-route) for 3/$75M, with maybe a partially guaranteed 4th, to get him closer in total value to best offer, that would put them at about $79M. If they could get Hill at something like 3/$54M, that would put them at about $97M. Then trade Green for an '18 1st, dropping down to $87M and re-sign Gasol for 2/$24M.

That would mean they could only sign Simmons if they don't have to use cap space, but I'm skeptical they'd go that far to keep him anyway. If they don't have to, re-sign him and use the room exception on Reed. If they do, let him walk and use it on Afflalo.

[GSH]

The potential pitfall of the Warriors' burgeoning dynasty. Front-Office Insider

Wow.

"In other words, if ownership is willing to pay, the Warriors core four can stay together.
The projected price to keep the burgeoning dynasty together? A mere $1.4 billion over next four years".

[Chinook]

He can defend anyone and be the PnR diver for the other 4 on O (usually its Dray).

McCaw is on the rise and should be getting better while Iggy is on the decline. They can go Draymond KD Klay McCaw Curry as well.

Point being, going forward to 2018, they won't skip a beat and shouldn't pay Iggy.

That's all well and good, but until Bell develops enough of a game to where centers can't guard him, he and Dray won't be able to "death lineup" together.

And of course, it's not clear yet if he can defend the five at the NBA level.

[Seventyniner]

Wow.

"In other words, if ownership is willing to pay, the Warriors core four can stay together.
The projected price to keep the burgeoning dynasty together? A mere $1.4 billion over next four years".

That repeater tax will eventually rear its ugly head. If it wasn't for Curry's insanely cheap contract until now, the Warriors would have never been able to afford Durant. They would still be damn good but more beatable.

[SAGirl]

All agreed....BUT Why have THREE young PG prospects? Could drafting White signal that Danny's replacement at SG is Dijon, with White slated for PG? Especially if, as you suggested in another post, the Spurs are fairly high on Forbes (higher than almost everybody on ST). Or is one (Forbes?) really fringe-player trade-fodder per the Article?
The Danny part is a possibility, though the price for him in a trade was rumored to be high. I think he's traded only if it's advantageous to the Spurs, not to dump him. IMO the guy Spurs are really looking to replace is Patty, with Forbes a prospect who was a tremendous shooter in college trying to diversify his skillset and White, a more versatile scorer/playmaker. My take is Patty won't be back. I expect Dijon to play both on and off the ball.

[MaNu4Tres]

That's all well and good, but until Bell develops enough of a game to where centers can't guard him, he and Dray won't be able to "death lineup" together.

And of course, it's not clear yet if he can defend the five at the NBA level.

Defending at the 5 in todays NBA consist of being able to defend in the PnR in space and recover or switch and being able to stay infront of the perimeter player, box out -- limit offensive boards.

Teams aren't initiating offense inside anymore. Post defense isn't as a necessity as it once was. Not close.

[Chinook]

James Johnson would make sense on court, because he's an inexpensive, poor man's Draymond Green/Millsap, but he's never had a good reputation, so I can't imagine Spurs signing him.

Mark Deeks has Spurs at $74.788.748M, for 11 players. Add a minimum roster charge and they're at $75M and change. If they could get Millsap, in a sign-and-trade for Aldridge (Hawks could keep or re-route) for 3/$75M, with maybe a partially guaranteed 4th, to get him closer in total value to best offer, that would put them at about $79M. If they could get Hill at something like 3/$54M, that would put them at about $97M. Then trade Green for an '18 1st, dropping down to $87M and re-sign Gasol for 2/$24M.

That would mean they could only sign Simmons if they don't have to use cap space, but I'm skeptical they'd go that far to keep him anyway. If they don't have to, re-sign him and use the room exception on Reed. If they do, let him walk and use it on Afflalo.

Parker, Murray, White
Green, Simmons (?) Forbes
Kawhi, Anderson
Aldridge, Bertans, Blossomgame

Those contracts plus a roster charge (and the dead money from Tim and LJC) add up to $79,793,938, not $74 Million. If I had to guess the discrepancy, I'd say that those other numbers use current-CBA salary slots and not new-CBA slots. Pretty much every cheap contract got more expensive. Murray, Bertans and Forbes saw salary increases beyond what their initial contracts implied. And going forward, the hold for picks is 120 the rookie scale, not 100 percent.

[SAGirl]

Regardless, all these loyalty contracts will be off the books for next year..no more guaranteed minutes for Parker, Ginobili will be retired, don't have to feel obligation to Green for taking less if he continues to decline as a player, no loyalty to Pau, Aldridge remaining content(if he remains a Spur), etc..Spurs have a lot more baggage on their roster than other teams..

There's no other team in the NBA that has so many off-court variables to consider when building their roster, at the moment..
Good points. It's time to move on.

[David Stern]

He can defend anyone and be the PnR diver for the other 4 on O (usually its Dray).

McCaw is on the rise and should be getting better while Iggy is on the decline. They can go Draymond KD Klay McCaw Curry as well.

Point being, going forward to 2018, they won't skip a beat and shouldn't pay Iggy.

It doesn't matter. They won't be able to sustain this super team for the long haul. This team will be broken up in a few years. When I say long haul, I'm talking a 5 year reign and beyond. Egos, injuries, title droughts, cap suffocation, Kerr's health, age, and the NBA catching up to them will pretty much happen in the next 2 years. History has proven this to be a guaranteed lock.

[Chinook]

Defending at the 5 in todays NBA consist of being able to defend in the PnR in space and recover or switch and being able to stay infront of the perimeter player, box out -- limit offensive boards.

Teams aren't initiating offense inside anymore. Post defense isn't as a necessity as it once was. Not close.

Post-ups aren't going away. They haven't stopped being an issue for mismatches. You push too strongly for generalization, and the specialists get you.

[GSH]

Defending at the 5 in todays NBA consist of being able to defend in the PnR in space and recover or switch and being able to stay infront of the perimeter player, box out -- limit offensive boards.

Teams aren't initiating offense inside anymore. Post defense isn't as a necessity as it once was. Not close.


Heh. If it was a sure thing, Boban would be an All-Star.

[MaNu4Tres]

Post-ups aren't going away. They haven't stopped being an issue for mismatches. You push too strongly for generalization, and the specialists get you.

Post ups are inefficient, last resort options if things get tough in the first 15-18 seconds of the shot clock. Used in volume, its not a recipe for success.

[Chinook]

Post ups are inefficient, last resort options if things get tough in the first 15-18 seconds of the shot clock. Used in volume, its not a recipe for success.

The Spurs' "Beautiful Game" relied heavily on early post-ups. Just because you play a free-flowing amoebic offense doesn't take away the leverage of a mismatch near the basket. The basket has the most gravity on the court.

[TimDunkem]

I sure hope this is true. We could finally stop talking about Hill...
880524454865940481

[GSH]

Parker, Murray, White
Green, Simmons (?) Forbes
Kawhi, Anderson
Aldridge, Bertans, Blossomgame

Those contracts plus a roster charge (and the dead money from Tim and LJC) add up to $79,793,938, not $74 Million. If I had to guess the discrepancy, I'd say that those other numbers use current-CBA salary slots and not new-CBA slots. Pretty much every cheap contract got more expensive. Murray, Bertans and Forbes saw salary increases beyond what their initial contracts implied. And going forward, the hold for picks is 120 the rookie scale, not 100 percent.


You got Forbes sticking, and at the 2? I know they drafted White, but I just figured he's in Austin most of the year. Man, it's hard to be a 6'3" shooting guard - especially when you're 6'2", and had the lowest TS% on the team. I thought they would keep forcing him in at the point, at least until Tony gets back.

[TD 21]

Parker, Murray, White
Green, Simmons (?) Forbes
Kawhi, Anderson
Aldridge, Bertans, Blossomgame

Those contracts plus a roster charge (and the dead money from Tim and LJC) add up to $79,793,938, not $74 Million. If I had to guess the discrepancy, I'd say that those other numbers use current-CBA salary slots and not new-CBA slots. Pretty much every cheap contract got more expensive. Murray, Bertans and Forbes saw salary increases beyond what their initial contracts implied. And going forward, the hold for picks is 120 the rookie scale, not 100 percent.

Could still work, but would have to be tighter squeeze obviously. Knock off $1-2M for Millsap, 2M for Hill and Gasol.

Whatever the machinations, Millsap should be number one priority. Hill, if he's that determined to sign with Spurs, should have to take substantial discount. If he's not willing to, just keep Green and go with relatively inexpensive veteran PG, like Williams or Calderon.

[tbdog]

As soon as the nba penalise interior contact, the post up game will come back.

[MaNu4Tres]

The Spurs' "Beautiful Game" relied heavily on early post-ups. Just because you play a free-flowing amoebic offense doesn't take away the leverage of a mismatch near the basket. The basket has the most gravity on the court.

No it did not. You're wrong here.

The beautiful game relied on effective PnR dives from Tim, Splitter and Diaw -- putting pressure towards the rim off dives and finding the weakside wide open option off the catch when diving. Diaw, Tim and Splitter were awesome at it from all angles, the High PnR. the side PnR, you name it.

The basket does have the most gravity, but you can't get that gravity off post ups unless you have prime Duncan, Dream or Shaq on your team. There's currently not one guy in the league that can create the type of gravity you need from posting up.

In place of this, teams now utilize the PnR diver as the one guy in the offense to create the gravity that's needed towards the rim to really get the defense to bend -- which opens up the weakside portion of the floor. If you have perimeter players on the weakside that can attack hard close outs -- that's when you can really demoralize defenses.

[Chinook]

Could still work, but would have to be tighter squeeze obviously. Knock off $1-2M for Millsap, 2M for Hill and Gasol.

Whatever the machinations, Millsap should be number one priority. Hill, if he's that determined to sign with Spurs, should have to take substantial discount. If he's not willing to, just keep Green and go with relatively inexpensive veteran PG, like Williams or Calderon.

They should save most of the trouble by just doing the signings before the S&T. I'd rather have Teague than Hill though.

[Chinook]

[/B]

No it did not. You're wrong here.

The beautiful game relied on effective PnR dives from Tim, Splitter and Diaw -- putting pressure towards the rim off dives and finding the weakside wide open option off the catch when diving. Diaw, Tim and Splitter were awesome at it from all angles, the High PnR. the side PnR, you name it.

The basket does have the most gravity, but you can't get that gravity off post ups unless you have prime Duncan, Dream or Shaq on your team. There's currently not one guy in the league that can create the type of gravity you need.

In place of this, teams now utilize the PnR Diver as the one guy in the offense to create the gravity that's needed towards the rim to open up the weakside portion of the floor.

Nope. The Spurs ran motion weak back then too. And the first option of motion weak is that post-up off the cross screen. The second option was the PnR if the post-up didn't work. Diaw made a lot of his impact out of those quick post-ups.

The issue isn't the play; it's how the Spurs are running it now. It's too slow and too hesitant. In 2014, those entry passes where so quick the posting big hadn't even gotten in position by the team the ball was in the air. Now they wait until the defender has gotten into position and pushed the posting big out to the three-point line. Diaw also too few fadeaways, which is something he had over LMA easily.

[Chinook]

You got Forbes sticking, and at the 2? I know they drafted White, but I just figured he's in Austin most of the year. Man, it's hard to be a 6'3" shooting guard - especially when you're 6'2", and had the lowest TS% on the team. I thought they would keep forcing him in at the point, at least until Tony gets back.

I was trying to figure out what Deek's numbers were. I do thin Forbes has a good chance to stick, though. But it will depend on how he does in the Summer League.

[MaNu4Tres]

Nope. The Spurs ran motion weak back then too. And the first option of motion weak is that post-up off the cross screen. The second option was the PnR if the post-up didn't work. Diaw made a lot of his impact out of those quick post-ups.

The issue isn't the play; it's how the Spurs are running it now. It's too slow and too hesitant. In 2014, those entry passes where so quick the posting big hadn't even gotten in position by the team the ball was in the air. Now they wait until the defender has gotten into position and pushed the posting big out to the three-point line. Diaw also too few fadeaways, which is something he had over LMA easily.

You're implying as if motion weak was the staple and everything was developed off post ups. That's not the case. Spurs had many options but most of their offensive attack was initiated from the perimeter and the diver.

[tonight...you]

Strong.

[GSH]

I was trying to figure out what Deek's numbers were. I do thin Forbes has a good chance to stick, though. But it will depend on how he does in the Summer League.


Gotcha. I wasn't arguing - I was just surprised. They do seem to like him. I'm sure they've seen more that we have.

[Chinook]

You're implying as if motion weak was the staple and everything was developed off post ups. That's not the case. Spurs had many options but most of their offensive attack was initiated from the perimeter and the diver.

Motion weak has been their main play since 2012.

[MaNu4Tres]

Motion weak has been their main play since 2012.

So you're saying they've been initiating everything off post play since 2012, correct?

If that's what you're saying, you're wrong.

[marinoman]

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lee declines player option

[tonight...you]

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Ahhh... never mind.

[Joseph Kony]

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ftfy

[DPG21920]

Blake Griffin to the...............Suns? Good news is that if PHX is looking at Blake for max and don't get him, that means they want a win now PF. LMA could definitley be a fit then.

[marinoman]

ftfy
Thanx

[gambit1990]

haven't come across okc being interested in anyone or being involved in rumors.

westbrook/griffin/adams would be interesting.

[cd98]

I sure hope this is true. We could finally stop talking about Hill...
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If Hill wants to get paid, he'll stay with the Jazz. Otherwise he'll be taking a fairly big pay cut.

[TimDunkem]

That's what I've been thinking all along. He'd be stupid to leave the Jazz.

[gambit1990]

stay in utah georgie.

[marinoman]

So who's gonna start the thread Welcome to SA Kyle Lowry

[TimDunkem]

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[TimDunkem]

Won't happen but this would be an interesting team nonetheless:
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[SpursforSix]

Blake Griffin to the...............Suns? Good news is that if PHX is looking at Blake for max and don't get him, that means they want a win now PF. LMA could definitley be a fit then.

LOL. Lemarcus "Win Now" Aldridge.

[cjw]

Kind of had a feeling the whole thing with Aldridge played a part in cp3 decision

Wonder if the Rockets or someone else leaked it to scare Paul off the Spurs' scent?

[TD 21]

If Suns (or Nuggets, Kings) are desperate enough to offer Millsap max, even for 3 years, he definitely won't be a Spur. Think they'd only offer that for a superstar.

Looking more and more like Spurs will do nothing of consequence, with possible exception of Hill, if market value is less than projected and he's willing to take discount.

Would be worst possible outcome. Disgruntled Aldridge, antiquated style of play, fools gold regular season, 2nd round ceiling, followed by overrated '18 flexibility, when only possibly attainable star free agent is Cousins, who they more than likely wouldn't touch with 10 foot pole.

[r0drig0lac]

Won't happen but this would be an interesting team nonetheless:
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If they could reach Lowry and Milsap, it would be amazing

[Joseph Kony]

spurs just need to find a dumb GM and dupe his ass....plenty of times this season alone we have seen shit tier trades for players that are actually impact players. Boogie for trash, Butler for peanuts, CP3 for role players, etc. Spurfans need to be patient and not expect everything to be done before FA even begins

[TimDunkem]

Would be worst possible outcome. Disgruntled Aldridge, antiquated style of play, fools gold regular season, 2nd round ceiling, followed by overrated '18 flexibility, when only possibly attainable star free agent is Cousins, who they more than likely wouldn't touch with 10 foot pole.
Looks like it, unfortunately, but we'll see.

[TD 21]

spurs just need to find a dumb GM and dupe his ass....plenty of times this season alone we have seen shit tier trades for players that are actually impact players. Boogie for trash, Butler for peanuts, CP3 for role players, etc. Spurfans need to be patient and not expect everything to be done before FA even begins

All better players, with more term remaining and even though return may have seemed underwhelming relative to that, consider the circumstances of Cousins and Paul. If former wasn't so volatile and latter wasn't about to leave for nothing, they'd have went for much more.

Aldridge is not the type re-building teams like Nuggets or Kings would likely view as type of veteran to have leading young team and he'd likely be disgruntled and leave latter in a year anyway.

I know how Spurs operate. If they can't get suitable replacement or significant young asset(s), they'll more than likely retain him, pretend they're contenders again, lose him for nothing in a year and have flexibility . . . to chase no one of significance.

[Mr. Body]

If they could reach Lowry and Milsap, it would be amazing

Why? That team still won't know how to win games.

[r0drig0lac]

Why? That team still won't know how to win games.

well, we would have to wait and see

[Mr. Body]

well, we would have to wait and see

Uh, I guess. There's not a single player on that team I'd really worry about.

[GSH]

spurs just need to find a dumb GM and dupe his ass....plenty of times this season alone we have seen shit tier trades for players that are actually impact players. Boogie for trash, Butler for peanuts, CP3 for role players, etc. Spurfans need to be patient and not expect everything to be done before FA even begins


Yeah, I think the days of the Spurs doing that are behind us. Not exactly a lot of GM's looking to make trades with the Spurs and get laughed at afterwards. A lot of bullshit gets talked on ST, but I think that phenomenon is real. George Hill for Kawhi AND some "ballast" (currently on the roster)? Not a lot of people want those kinds of articles written about them.

Isaiah Thomas is gone. It's just a shame that Phildo couldn't have done a deal as a parting shot to the Knicks.

[BatManu20]

Live footage of Paul George trying to get out of Indiana


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[r0drig0lac]

Live footage of Paul George trying to get out of Indiana


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[rastaspur]

Yeah, I think the days of the Spurs doing that are behind us. Not exactly a lot of GM's looking to make trades with the Spurs and get laughed at afterwards. A lot of bullshit gets talked on ST, but I think that phenomenon is real. George Hill for Kawhi AND some "ballast" (currently on the roster)? Not a lot of people want those kinds of articles written about them.

Isaiah Thomas is gone. It's just a shame that Phildo couldn't have done a deal as a parting shot to the Knicks.

I heard on nba radio today saying that isiah is a dark horse candidate to get the knicks gm job. Wtf? That's insane if the knicks are even considering rehiring him.

[Mr. Body]

I heard on nba radio today saying that isiah is a dark horse candidate to get the knicks gm job. Wtf? That's insane if the knicks are even considering rehiring him.

They have the worst owner in sports. Not surprising.

[gambit1990]

spurs just need to find a dumb GM and dupe his ass....plenty of times this season alone we have seen shit tier trades for players that are actually impact players. Boogie for trash, Butler for peanuts, CP3 for role players, etc.
missed opportunities for the spurs.

seems like they'd rather rest on their laurels.

[gambit1990]

I heard on nba radio today saying that isiah is a dark horse candidate to get the knicks gm job. Wtf? That's insane if the knicks are even considering rehiring him.
i had the same reaction.

isiah already said he's happy doing what he's doing though.

[TheDoctor]

Live footage of Paul George trying to get out of Indiana


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:lmao

[raybies]

Blake Griffin to the...............Suns? Good news is that if PHX is looking at Blake for max and don't get him, that means they want a win now PF. LMA could definitley be a fit then.
Yup, so that's the Nuggets and Suns now. Both have assets and cap I believe. It'd be interesting to see if either can get Blake or Millsap both of whom they are interested in, cause if they don't Aldridge might be in play.

[rastaspur]

Blake Griffin to the...............Suns? Good news is that if PHX is looking at Blake for max and don't get him, that means they want a win now PF. LMA could definitley be a fit then.

Boy I sure hope griffin goes elsewhere so as to preserve the possibility of dumping aldridge off on phoenix

[TimDunkem]

GTFO, Mills.

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[Big Empty]

GTFO, Mills.

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4/32 million

[NASpurs]

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[Dex]

GTFO, Mills.

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T:lolday's NBA.

I love me some Patty, but seriously...$15M for an undersized point guard who can't pass or defend? If his shot isn't on, he's pretty much a negative out there.

[TimDunkem]

P.J. Tucker...Pretty underwhelming...

[TimDunkem]

4/32 million
If I'm the Spurs, I save that 8 mill a year for someone who can shoot the three better than his 21% against the Warriors.

[Steve-O-Matic]

I can count on one or two hands how many non-starters in the NBA are worth that and Patty Mills isn't one of them. If that's the going rate, then let him go.

[cd98]

P.J. Tucker...Pretty underwhelming...
Pau would be pissec if that's what they do with his opt out.

[Dverde]

I still feel that Rubio trade to the Spurs is hot and ready. Pop just waiting on George Hill to turn them down.

[GSH]

I heard on nba radio today saying that isiah is a dark horse candidate to get the knicks gm job. Wtf? That's insane if the knicks are even considering rehiring him.


Dark horse? That's raciss'. :lol I hope he gets the job. I wonder if the Spurs could sell him Malik Rose a second time?


Seriously, how in the hell could the Knicks even think about rehiring him? The sad thing is, I can't totally rule it out.

[gambit1990]

lotta people here hate rubio... i'll take him over hill, rose, lowry, tony.

[GSH]

T:lolday's NBA.

I love me some Patty, but seriously...$15M for an undersized point guard who can't pass or defend? If his shot isn't on, he's pretty much a negative out there.

Intangibles.

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[SAGirl]

GTFO, Mills.

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Do not want. Maybe at half that and frankly, if everything else is the same, I would rather give an opportunity for his minutes to someone else. Not only flamed against the warriors, he was terribly bad against OKC two seasons ago too. I know Pop loves him, but his ceiling is established and its low.

[gambit1990]

spurs desperately need someone who can get them easy buckets:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km6Kpp4igs4

[Down Under]

I hope the Spurs don't make any significant moves, tbh..let Aldridge stay(assuming bridges aren't burnt and the reports aren't as accurate as we have heard, otherwise, I guess you have to move him asap ), maybe he can raise his value by next year's deadline and get a high pick..trade Green if you can get a 2018 1st(maybe the deadline, as well, like the Nets and Lakers got for Bogdnov and Williams)..start Murray, give Simmons the bench anchor role(if he's retained), more Bertans PT, sign a 3rd string veteran PG until Parker returns, lose in the 2nd round, let everybody else walk and start fresh..

No more loyalty contracts or feeling an obligation to players that previously sacrificed money or stats..Spurs currently have a ton of those guys on the roster, tbh..tough to maneuver as an organization that operates the way the Spurs do when they probably feel like they owe something to all those guys..
I agree with everything except trading Green. If we're going to start playing with more ball movement, he'll still be an extremely effective 2-way player. If we're going ISO again, then probably not.

[dabom]

Patty>Porker>.......

































































Fathead. :lol

[Dex]

Intangibles.

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Hell of a bloke...but I know a lot of good guys who aren't making $15M for their charm.

[dabom]

Fathead Jr>Fathead.

[mo7888]

One name we aren't talking about is Galinari. I've seen reports that he most likely won't be in Denver next year. How would he look here? Is the drop off from Hayward to Galinari that much?

[Dex]

lotta people here hate rubio... i'll take him over hill, rose, lowry, tony.

He just had his best shooting year at .402.

Tony Parker on one leg was at least able to shoot .466.

Pass.

[dabom]

Intangibles.

http://pedestriantv-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images%2Farticle%2F2013%2F06%2F07%2FuDfagip.gif

We were up 20 with Patty Mills starting.

[gambit1990]

He just had his best shooting year at .402.

Tony Parker on one leg was at least able to shoot .466.

Pass.
tony can shoot better than rubio, rubio can pass better than parker and can get his teammates way easier looks.

[NASpurs]

I mean, at least you can put Rubio with Chip and teach him how to shoot. You can't teach Parker how to have court vision and take off the horse blinders.

[GSH]

I agree with everything except trading Green. If we're going to start playing with more ball movement, he'll still be an extremely effective 2-way player. If we're going ISO again, then probably not.



Pretty good point, actually. Danny really benefits from open looks and on-target passes. When he can step into his shot, he's a lot better than when he has to move sideways at all. Much as I hate to say it, on last year's Rockets, I think he could have done some damage.

[GSH]

We were up 20 with Patty Mills starting.



So you reject the idea that he is a great bench/locker room guy?

[dabom]

So you reject the idea that he is a great bench/locker room guy?

He was a good starter. Best PG on a championship team. Our best player went down. Dominoes fall.

[gambit1990]

I mean, at least you can put Rubio with Chip and teach him how to shoot. You can't teach Parker how to have court vision and take off the horse blinders.
exactly :lol

[GSH]

He was a good starter. Best PG on a championship team. Our best player went down. Dominoes fall.


You say tomato... I say .407 FG%, 2.7 AST, and 1.4 FTA in the playoffs. We're on the same page.

[jermaine]

Get Rubio, Courtney Lee, Tony Allen, or Trade Green for Marco... Trade LMA faggot ads for Millsap,an resign Dedmon.. Sign Vince to back up Kawhi. An call it a day!!!

[dabom]

You say tomato... I say .407 FG%, 2.7 AST, and 1.4 FTA in the playoffs. We're on the same page.

Taking anything after Kawhi went down is fucking retarded and then doing FG% when he is a three point shooter. :lmao

Faggot. :lmao :lmao

[dabom]

Dude even took the starting spot on the fly. I knew Porker wasn't gonna last and said to either start Patty or Murray for the whole year to have better chemistry. :lol

Dude is a Champion. One of the hardest working players on our team..

[gambit1990]

spurs needs a playmaker... ST:
-cp3... too old :lol
-rubio... can't shoot

in terms of passing they're both on a higher tier than hill, lowry, rose, teague, tony.

-rubio had the 6th best assists to turnover ratio last season, tony was 11th

-rubio was 9th in steals, right behind kawhi

-he was also 5th in assists

[dabom]

A lot of ya pussies should be happy we had Patty Mills instead of some vet PG cause we losing to the cuckettes without him. :lol

[RD2191]

Live footage of Paul George trying to get out of Indiana


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:lmao dude should get a couple of years off of his sentence for sweet driving skills.

[GSH]

Taking anything after Kawhi went down is fucking retarded and then doing FG% when he is a three point shooter. :lmao

Faggot. :lmao :lmao


Well I guess he's fucked if he goes to any other team, unless Kawhi goes along to hold his hand.

[GSH]

Dude even took the starting spot on the fly. I knew Porker wasn't gonna last and said to either start Patty or Murray for the whole year to have better chemistry. :lol

Dude is a Champion. One of the hardest working players on our team..


Plus... he's a dude. :tu

[dabom]

Well I guess he's fucked if he goes to any other team, unless Kawhi goes along to hold his hand.

Lets hope this team adds some elite scorer and 3 point shooter to compliment Kawhi.

Of course some playmaker too.

[SAGirl]

Well I guess he's fucked if he goes to any other team, unless Kawhi goes along to hold his hand.

100%
Kawhi was making everyone better obviously. He's an MVP.

[rastaspur]

Live footage of Paul George trying to get out of Indiana


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Those cops need to learn a little teamwork. How could they not collectively box that truck in. It's like there were 13 kobe Bryant all doing their own thing and trying to be the man to get him.

They need to watch how a pack of hyenas work. That was pathetic

[cjw]

spurs desperately need someone who can get them easy buckets:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km6Kpp4igs4

You mean the worst shooter in NBA history? Because that's what you're getting.

[tonight...you]

Those cops need to learn a little teamwork. How could they not collectively box that truck in. It's like there were 13 kobe Bryant all doing their own thing and trying to be the man to get him.

They need to watch how a pack of hyenas work. That was pathetic
Half of them was high. Can you blame 'em, over there? God bless 'em.

[rastaspur]

Half of them was high. Can you blame 'em, over there? God bless 'em.

It usually makes me a better driver. I pay attention more for fear of getting pulled over. Different strokes I reckon

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

Fucking facepalm.

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[tonight...you]

Fucking facepalm.

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Old boy looks like an extra from Big Trouble In Little China that gets his face smashed in an embarrassing fashion.

[HarlemHeat37]

PJ Tucker:lol Kawhistorm, RIP..

[apalisoc_9]

PJ Tucker:lol Kawhistorm, RIP..

Does that mean we get MCW?

My nigga kawhistorm is probably working for the spurs now. His disspearance is curious.

[Chinook]

The worst thing about that Sucker tweet is the implication that the Spurs would have to cut more salary to afford to bring him in.

[GSH]

It usually makes me a better driver. I pay attention more for fear of getting pulled over. Different strokes I reckon


I took part in a study back in college, where you hit a button as quickly as you can after it lights up. My reaction times actually got better after several drinks. Better after a couple more. I was pretty cocky about it. Then they did the second part of the test, a driving simulator where you have to make that quick decision. My reflexes were good - but my judgment went all to hell.

Turns out, when you make the wrong driving decision, and make it really quickly? That's a bad thing. Changed my perspective forever. Always make someone else drive, so they're the ones risking the DUI. :lol

[marinoman]

Man It's sad this team needs to create more cap space to get people like tucker, outside of Kawhi no one on this team is good. Some serviceable and may become very good and a bunch of mediocrity.

cant even afford pj, good god, even if we got him we'd still be a few major players away

[rastaspur]

I took part in a study back in college, where you hit a button as quickly as you can after it lights up. My reaction times actually got better after several drinks. Better after a couple more. I was pretty cocky about it. Then they did the second part of the test, a driving simulator where you have to make that quick decision. My reflexes were good - but my judgment went all to hell.

Turns out, when you make the wrong driving decision, and make it really quickly? That's a bad thing. Changed my perspective forever. Always make someone else drive, so they're the ones risking the DUI. :lol

I never drink and drive. Shit is dangerous.

But I will burn and turn without hesitation.

[Ice009]

I'm high on James Johnson. My brother is a heat fan and he enjoyed having him this season and wants him back for next season. He's pretty versatile and could be great for cheap.

I wanted James Johnson for a long time, I've said it here numerous times. The Spurs had him in for workouts during the 2013 off-season when we were first desperate for a backup SF behind Kawhi. They passed on him and I have no idea why. Someone mentioned work either and character issues back then, but they could have had him for the minimum. I'm really sick of the Spurs passing on talented players looking for their choir boys that fit the culture. Every time I've seen him play since then, he usually plays well against the Spurs. It really pisses me off that they passed up on him.

[HarlemHeat37]

I wanted James Johnson for a long time, I've said it here numerous times. The Spurs had him in for workouts during the 2013 off-season when we were first desperate for a backup SF behind Kawhi. They passed on him and I have no idea why. Someone mentioned work either and character issues back then, but they could have had him for the minimum. I'm really sick of the Spurs passing on talented players looking for their choir boys that fit the culture. Every time I've seen him play since then, he usually plays well against the Spurs. It really pisses me off that they passed up on him.

Johnson was extremely out of shape, tbh..he has admitted he had poor work ethic prior to joining the Heat, where they changed his entire career outlook(in his own words)..he credits Riley/Spoelstra for the improvement, but also the influx of money around the league the past few years, where he said watching mediocre players get paid huge money motivated him to grow up..

[rastaspur]

James Johnsons neck tattoos are freaky. I really don't want to stare at that shit all year. Pass. :lol

[TimDunkem]

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[SAGirl]

The worst thing about that Sucker tweet is the implication that the Spurs would have to cut more salary to afford to bring him in.

yea, it didn't make sense to me frankly, but I suppose guys agents are overdrive mode right now.

[Spurs9]

PJ Tucker gonna put us over the edge? :lmao

[Ice009]

Johnson was extremely out of shape, tbh..he has admitted he had poor work ethic prior to joining the Heat, where they changed his entire career outlook(in his own words)..he credits Riley/Spoelstra for the improvement, but also the influx of money around the league the past few years, where he said watching mediocre players get paid huge money motivated him to grow up..

Well I still want him. Could have had him for Simmons type money, though. It seems like the Clippers want him too, so if Jerry West has him on his list, then I feel pretty good about my evaluation of him 4 off-seasons ago. I always saw talent in him. I just thought he needed the chance. I didn't know about his poor work ethic, but it seems he's now corrected that.

[SAGirl]

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would hate for Jsimms to join them.
He needs to get paid though.

[rastaspur]

PJ Tucker gonna put us over the edge? :lmao

If that's the big haul of the offeason then that's gonna put me over the edge

[TimDunkem]

Watch the Spurs lose Simmons and sign PJ Tucker to replace him. :lol

[marinoman]

would hate for Jsimms to join them.
He needs to get paid though.
I'm sure he'll jump on that 1.6 million offer.

[sasaint]

If that's the big haul of the offeason then that's gonna put me over the edge

No, don't. Chill with another spliff.

[ace3g]

Brad Turner @BA_Turner
(https://twitter.com/BA_Turner)

Free agents Clippers interested in: Jonathan Simmons, Rudy Gay, Danilo Gallinari, P.J. Tucker, James Johnson, Joe Ingles, Andre Iguodala.

[sasaint]

would hate for Jsimms to join them.
He needs to get paid though.

I think JSimms will be back. The Clips just acquired Williams and Dekker to go with Jamal Crawford.

[ace3g]

Brad Turner @BA_Turner
(https://twitter.com/BA_Turner) 57m (https://twitter.com/BA_Turner/status/880597704803368961)
Clippers also spoke with free agent Chris Singleton last week

[SAGirl]

I think JSimms will be back. The Clips just acquired Williams and Dekker to go with Jamal Crawford.

oh I had forgotten about that. that Clippers list must be old. :tu

[TimDunkem]

oh I had forgotten about that. that Clippers list must be old. :tu
Brad Turner of the LA Times tweeted it 3 hours ago.

[TimDunkem]

Lots of fake news involving Kyrie Irving right now. :lol

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Eric P. shut it down though.

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[SAGirl]

Brad Turner of the LA Times tweeted it 3 hours ago.
I suppose the tweet can be recent but the list leaked is old... that was my guess. But at the very least, with the wings acquired in that CP3 trade, they aren't going to spend obscene money which Simmons being restricted may require to be pried away.

[Clipper Nation]

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Do it, Jerry! :)

[objective]

Blake Griffin meeting Suns on Saturday, just the kind of guy they want to sell tickets for Sarver.

Anyone hoping that the Suns will be place to dump Aldridge has to be sweating

[keithington1]

I could see KA going to the Lakers. He'd fit perfect with Ball.

[Seventyniner]

PJ Tucker gonna put us over the edge? :lmao

He'd certainly put many of us over the edge.

[TimDunkem]

Blake Griffin meeting Suns on Saturday, just the kind of guy they want to sell tickets for Sarver.

Anyone hoping that the Suns will be place to dump Aldridge has to be sweating
Blake probably stays in LA. He's just giving courtesy meetings.

[SAGirl]

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[raybies]

Lots of fake news involving Kyrie Irving right now. :lol

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Eric P. shut it down though.

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he aint even verified lol but he tryin to be

[TimDunkem]

Never trust a guy with two first names.

[Hoops Czar]

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Kawhi needs to make a good first impression. Westbrook can opt out next season and he might be looking for a super friend to team up with.

[TimDunkem]

Kawhi needs to make a good first impression. Westbrook can opt out next season and he might be looking for a super friend to team up with.
Don't really see it. They won't let him pull a Durant. They will trade him first.

[NASpurs]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-rajon-rondo-dwyane-wade-bulls-spt-0630-20170629-story.html

Bulls are shopping Rajon Rondo in advance of decision day

[raybies]

this time tomorrow, league is gonna be bananas. cant wait

[TimDunkem]

Can't wait until we sign PJ Tucker.

[raybies]

Can't wait until we sign PJ Tucker.
PJ Tucker, Tiago Splitter, and Boris Diaw

[TimDunkem]

PJ Tucker, Tiago Splitter, and Boris Diaw
The sad thing is there are still some people here who think those last two would be good additions.

"Bring back the beautiful game :cry"

[raybies]

The sad thing is there are still some people here who think those last two would be good additions.

"Bring back the beautiful game :cry"
:rolleyes Im one :lol

[TimDunkem]

:lol

[raybies]

well to be fair I don't think they'd be great addtions but I do want the beautiful game back

[TimDunkem]

Pretty sure I saw a guy earlier who seriously suggested the Spurs go after Diaw again after he quit and got fat again two years ago. :lol

[Nathan89]

If Tiago is healthy he'd be a great addition.

[raybies]

Pretty sure I saw a guy earlier who seriously suggested the Spurs go after Diaw again after he quit and got fat again two years ago. :lol
we should just refer to him as the most interesting man tbh

[BillMc]

Can't wait until we sign PJ Tucker.
:lol

[Kindergarten Cop]

Pretty sure I saw a guy earlier who seriously suggested the Spurs go after Diaw again after he quit and got fat again two years ago. :lol

I confess that perhaps I'm being extremely nostalgic, but I would be excited to bring back both Splitter and Diaw (granted that it would be on team-friendly deals).

[raybies]

If Tiago is healthy he'd be a great addition.
Gasol, Milutinov, and Splitter wouldn't be that bad a big rotation if, like you said, Splitter is healthy

[BillMc]

Gasol, Milutinov, and Splitter wouldn't be that bad a big rotation if, like you said, Splitter is healthy
Is Lee definitely gone?

[Kindergarten Cop]

Is Lee definitely gone?

I hope not.

[TimDunkem]

"If Tiago is healthy".

Good one. :lol

[raybies]

Is Lee definitely gone?
I peg him at the Room Exception from some team... might be us. I have nothing against him really, he plays hard and has great character. Would love to have him back

[raybies]

"If Tiago is healthy".

Good one. :lol
tbh, the one year he was healthy we won a title...

[TimDunkem]

tbh, the one year he was healthy we won a title...
He was actually one of my favorite players on that squad. He might've been one of the best defensive bigmen in the NBA that season...What a shame that the guy just couldn't stay healthy.

[raybies]

the big glasszillian

[BillMc]

I hope not.


I peg him at the Room Exception from some team... might be us. I have nothing against him really, he plays hard and has great character. Would love to have him back

Yep. Agree. For the right price definitely want him back.

[TimDunkem]

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[raybies]

sounds like a non taxpayer mid level guy.

[objective]

Splitter on the minimum as a 3rd string would be great.

His injuries demand he not be paid more or counted on.

But 3rd string minimum should be something he can handle.

[raybies]

he might be capped out at 10-15 minutes a night though. maybe he could split time with Milutinov should he come. His last game with Philly he played 22 minutes, scored 12 points and had 5 boards. Not bad. His last injuries were with the calf and hamstring since his hip surgery last year. Could definitely work as a 3rd string big.

[marinoman]

Can't wait until we sign PJ Tucker.
Hold on now, you know we have to clear cap space before landing that big fish

[TimDunkem]

Hold on now, you know we have to clear cap space before landing that big fish
Shit you're right. We need to use the rest of it to resign Pau to a four year deal.

[BatManu20]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-rajon-rondo-dwyane-wade-bulls-spt-0630-20170629-story.html

Bulls are shopping Rajon Rondo in advance of decision day

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[gambit1990]

fuck rajon. don't even think about it PATFO.

[gambit1990]

spurs are cheap and the only way pop would be under pressure is if kawhi was thinking about bolting.

it's early and the spurs have time to make moves but... the forecast isn't looking great imo. let's see what happens...

[TimDunkem]

spurs are cheap and the only way pop would be under pressure is if kawhi was thinking about bolting.

it's early and the spurs have time to make moves but... the forecast isn't looking great imo. let's see what happens...
Just listened to the Open Floor SI podcast and the concensus is that the Spurs likely won't do much. Between being boxed in by TP and Gasol contracts while being hamstrung by Aldridge who no one wants, there's just not much they can do.

[gambit1990]

Hold on now, you know we have to clear cap space before landing that big fish
:lmao

that's why i'm worried about the season.

spurs need to clear space to sign tucker... and the frontcourt currently consists of someone who doesn't even wanna be here :lmao

[gambit1990]

-pop won't feel pressure from the organization
-pop won't feel pressure from the media (especially the local media :lol)
-pop won't feel pressure from fans because too many of you are okay with parker/his contract being on the books

[rasuo214]

Kawhi needs to make a good first impression. Westbrook can opt out next season and he might be looking for a super friend to team up with.

Pretty sure it's Kyle working out with Russ (UCLA ties) and AD in LA, then he'll work out with Kawhi and possibly Murray later in the summer in San Diego.

[gambit1990]

Just listened to the Open Floor SI podcast and the concensus is that the Spurs likely won't do much. Between being boxed in by TP and Gasol contracts while being hamstrung by Aldridge who no one wants, there's just not much they can do.
that's exactly what i've been saying recently.

[cjw]

fuck rajon. don't even think about it PATFO.

Yet you want Rubio who also shot 40% from the field?

[TheGreatYacht]

Yet you want Rubio who also shot 40% from the field?
:lol

[Rito3d30]

Sadly Not much they can do I guess

[Mal]

How can we get Rubio ? Cap space or trading LMA or Green ?

[buttsR4rebounding]

Chris Singleton had huge season in Euroleague. Led his team in scoring, rebounds, blocks and steals. Shot 46percent from 3. Can guard all5 positions.

[Ice009]

Chris Singleton had huge season in Euroleague. Led his team in scoring, rebounds, blocks and steals. Shot 46percent from 3. Can guard all5 positions.

I said a couple of days ago that I was interested in him. Someone else brought him up and said there were a couple of NBA teams looking at him. I was kind of hoping that one of them was the Spurs.

[Mal]

I assume if Spurs fails to trade LMA, and fails get two top free agents - point guard and big, just let it go. Let Kawhi stat padd, get his MVP, check if Anderson, Murray and Parker could play big minutes, and then with almost 50 mil in cap space, when LMA bolts, and Green choose to opt out and sign longer deal, try to get FA then - guys like Avery Bradley, Covington will be available, but UFA will be so strong. LeBron, Wall, Paul George, Favors, Westbrook, Carmelo, Boogie.

I guess this could be good. This years teams with cap space will spend it on lower level all-start - Griffin, Lowry, Holliday, Hill, Millsap, Hayward. While most teams will spend this year, there is a big chance, that Spurs will be the only top team with cap space, to form yet another super team. I assume that Boston, Minnesota, Cavs, Warriors, Rockets will not have cap space. That leaves Spurs and probably Lakers with cap space, to form next big team.

[cd021]

Kevin Pelton from ESPN, on Nate Duncan's podcast suggested that Jonathan Simmons may resign with a 2+1 at $8 million a season so he could become a free agent again at 29.

It was a mock off season but I've heard that figure before.

Would allow for the Spurs to probably keep him.

[Mal]

Kevin Pelton from ESPN, on Nate Duncan's podcast suggested that Jonathan Simmons may resign with a 2+1 at $8 million a season so he could become a free agent again at 29.

It was a mock off season but I've heard that figure before.

Would allow for the Spurs to probably keep him.

That is fair for and from him. He couldn't be offered more than full MLE for 2 years first years of deal. Poison pill for Spurs would be up to 24 mil (max for players 0-6yrs)

[duncan2150]

Can't wait until we sign PJ Tucker.

If we sign Tucker, I'll join you on the pessimistic crew. For me he's one of the worst player in the nba, even his defense is a little bit overrated.

[Seventyniner]

With the extra roster spots, how about signing Bogut and Splitter and putting them both in cryonic storage until the second round? I would hope we could get 10-14 games between them.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I assume if Spurs fails to trade LMA, and fails get two top free agents - point guard and big, just let it go. Let Kawhi stat padd, get his MVP, check if Anderson, Murray and Parker could play big minutes, and then with almost 50 mil in cap space, when LMA bolts, and Green choose to opt out and sign longer deal, try to get FA then - guys like Avery Bradley, Covington will be available, but UFA will be so strong. LeBron, Wall, Paul George, Favors, Westbrook, Carmelo, Boogie.

I guess this could be good. This years teams with cap space will spend it on lower level all-start - Griffin, Lowry, Holliday, Hill, Millsap, Hayward. While most teams will spend this year, there is a big chance, that Spurs will be the only top team with cap space, to form yet another super team. I assume that Boston, Minnesota, Cavs, Warriors, Rockets will not have cap space. That leaves Spurs and probably Lakers with cap space, to form next big team.

Both LA teams will have significant cap space next summer.

[Ice009]

Both LA teams will have significant cap space next summer.

And I doubt most FA would choose the Spurs over either LA team and the LA lifestyle.

[CGD]

Here we go! Let the nuttiness start (or continue, really)

[Chillen]

fuck rajon. don't even think about it PATFO.

If he would sign with Spurs cheap it's worth a try. Remember the Bulls were up 2-0 on Celtics in 1st round and Rondo doesn't play another game they lose 4 straight. Dude was balling vs Celtics before he got injured, his play was the reason the Bulls were up 2-0 to begin with.

[Jdspur20]

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Locker room cancer

[Fireball]

Rondo is a good teammate, especially for younger players, but he tends to clash with any authority because he challenges all of their decisions ... I do not think this works with Pop

AND HE CANNOT SHOOT

[look_at_g_shred]

Does anyone recall any recent George hill success vs warriors?

[$pursDynasty]

How can we get Rubio ? Cap space or trading LMA or Green ?
couldn't we do a sign and trade with them w/ the Microwave? they need a point with experience and shooting, we need a point that can actually do point guard things. Couldn't we do what the Clips/Rox did in the CP3 move?

[Mal]

Both LA teams will have significant cap space next summer.

But Clippers will still be Clippers. Lakers will have Magic Johnson, Ball, Ingram etc. Clippers will have DeAndre Jordan, they won't form superteam starting with that.

[Mal]

Does anyone recall any recent George hill success vs warriors?

As I recall Utah was way better team with him on the floor, when not.

They were sweapt. But Hill was out 3 out of 4 games. Don't know if that good or bad :lmao

[noles1983]

Just listened to the Open Floor SI podcast and the concensus is that the Spurs likely won't do much. Between being boxed in by TP and Gasol contracts while being hamstrung by Aldridge who no one wants, there's just not much they can do.

If they end up doing nothing it is not because they had no options. They are not being boxed in by TP contract. They refuse to deal him, loyalty over team success. Fuck them.

[NASpurs]

"The Sixers have told agents they will seek one-year deals this summer to preserve future space" per @ZachLowe_NBA (https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA).

I know a point guard with a one year deal.

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[SAGirl]

well to be fair I don't think they'd be great addtions but I do want the beautiful game back

If only Tiago were healthy.. but I fear that ain't going to happen. instead team would be playing Joel Anthony bc Tiago is going to be out all season.. tease us with one or two games then go back to the injured-DNP list.

[SAGirl]

Is Lee definitely gone?

He opted out... so status unknown.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Word is RC will be tackling FA from Los Angeles. Paul George?

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[Hoops Czar]

Word is RC will be tackling FA from Los Angeles. Paul George?

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Probably taking a vacation.

[BatManu20]

Word is RC will be tackling FA from Los Angeles. Paul George?

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Probably just wants to get out of the disgusting 100° swamp that is San Antonio in June, tbh.

[BatManu20]

Jrue staying in Nola as expected.

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[BatManu20]

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[look_at_g_shred]

Word is RC will be tackling FA from Los Angeles. Paul George?

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Fly him over the Pacific and kick him out the plane.

[BatManu20]

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