Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[NASpurs]

After starting from Orlando and heading west to LA, Dwert's trajectory towards the east has hit the ocean. Is there a team across the pond he can go to? He's a modern day Genghis Kahn spreading his seed across the land.

[I. Hustle]

If Georgie ends up back in SA, he will be happy enough. Looking like a decent possibility at this point.

He's already hunting hogs in the hill country. Might as well just stick around.

[spursistan]

What an absolute fall from grace for Dwight .. Dude is getting thrown around like some career scrub :lol

[sasaint]

Only 39 Steps to go.

Got them all memorized...

Hitchcock fan?

[sasaint]

He's already hunting hogs in the hill country. Might as well just stick around.

For the right money, I'd be happy to welcome George back.

[spursistan]

After starting from Orlando and heading west to LA, Dwert's trajectory towards the east has hit the ocean. Is there a team across the pond he can go to? He's a modern day Genghis Kahn spreading his seed across the land.
He's only 31..:lol

[Ron Swanson]

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[BatManu20]

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[sasaint]

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GIGO deal. :lol

[NASpurs]

He's only 31..:lol

Fucking insane :lol

[tonight...you]

Got them all memorized...

Hitchcock fan?
Yessir. I did make it a bit obvious with the bold.

[picnroll]

This is the kind of drama Babyface Silver LOVES to see. The NBA really does bring the excitement when the games AREN'T played.

True. Next year they should cancel the playoffs and go straight to the pre-draft period.

[BatManu20]

Phil Jackson :lol

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[NASpurs]

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[BatManu20]

Dwight Howard :lol


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[BatManu20]

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[NASpurs]

:lmao the replies

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[tonight...you]

True. Next year they should cancel the playoffs and go straight to the pre-draft period.
:lol Probably make even more money, given the sorry state of these repeated Finals collisions.

[sasaint]

Dwight Howard :lol


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Ask and you shall receive. :lol

[tonight...you]

Phil Jackson :lol

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This stupid motherfucker... I mean...

[Ron Swanson]

Phil Jackson :lol

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This guy has lost his mind.

[tonight...you]

Ask and you shall receive. :lol
So great! I can imagine his feelings.

[Mr. Body]

Phil Jackson :lol

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Does Jackson not know how good Porzingis can be?

[CGD]

Dwight Howard :lol


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No way!! That's amazing.

Otherwise, who cares? Dude stopped being relevant since 2010.

[picnroll]

Spike Lee's going to put a contract out on the senile old fuck. Unlike Porzingis Booker is massively overrated.

[CGD]

Phil Jackson :lol

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Then he proceeded to call RC and ask for Kawhi and Murray, but only if we took back Noah's contract.

[sasaint]

Phil Jackson :lol

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If the Suns go for that, I wonder two things. Will the Knicks have any interest in Patty? I could see Patty's value dropping as things unfold. Also, Phoenix's frontcourt seems like it is getting kind of crowded. Will they be looking to move Bender or Chriss?

[Mr. Body]

Spike Lee's going to put a contract out on the senile old fuck. Unlike Porzingis Booker is massively overrated.

Never trade for a University of Kentucky player.

[NASpurs]

Just some cornrows-less imposter.

https://i.redd.it/am84t8czcw4z.jpg

[CGD]

If the Suns go for that, I wonder two things. Will the Knicks have any interest in Patty? I could see Patty's value dropping as things unfold. Also, Phoenix's frontcourt seems like it is getting kind of crowded. Will they be looking to move Bender or Chriss?

That is a lopsided trade in favor of NYC. Doubt PHX does it, and that's not including the fact they have Chriss and Bender already.

[tonight...you]

Just some cornrows-less imposter.

https://i.redd.it/am84t8czcw4z.jpg
Whoa...

[BatManu20]

Whoa.

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[Hoops Czar]

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Damn, past tense. I would have loved to see Lavar squirm.

[Mr. Body]

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Suggests:

1) Lakers aren't sold on Ball. (And who would be.)

2) This draft is shittier than many say.

[Leetonidas]

Hawks should do us a favor and send us Ferrari back tbh...

[CGD]

Whoa.

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I knew someone was going to try to hustle Vlade for 5 + 10. Wonder what happened.

I also assume this was before they decided to ship out their starting PG.

[sasaint]

Damn, past tense. I would have loved to see Lavar squirm.

A marriage made in hell - Sactown and Lavar. Could have started a reality TV series. :lol

[I. Hustle]

A marriage made in hell - Sactown and Lavar. Could have started a reality TV series. :lol

I would have gone with

Balls in Sactown

or

Ball/Sac connection

[BatManu20]

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[spursistan]

Suggests:

1) Lakers aren't sold on Ball. (And who would be.)

2) This draft is shittier than many say.

It's hilarious how grossly over-hyped the last 3 or 4 draft class have been...Outside of KAT, nobody has shown to be a franchise-level player and barely couple of others project to be be surefire stars..

[BatManu20]

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[Mr. Body]

It hilarious how grossly over-hyped the last 3 or 4 draft class have been...Outside of KAT, nobody has shown to be a franchise-level player and barely couple of others project to be be surefire stars..

It's rough because there is very little top talent in the NBA right now. (And too much of it is on one team.) And we have very little getting through the NCAA, partly because Calipari consistently sucks up top recruits and teaches them nothing about basketball. It's just a terrible era for basketball right now.

[BatManu20]

Lol wtf

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[I. Hustle]

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For once I agree with Bill Simmons

[apalisoc_9]

Just some cornrows-less imposter.

https://i.redd.it/am84t8czcw4z.jpg

@white dude tip toing :lmao

[BatManu20]

Jerry West trying to make room for PG and/or Lebron

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[sasaint]

It's rough because there is very little top talent in the NBA right now. (And too much of it is on one team.) And we have very little getting through the NCAA, partly because Calipari consistently sucks up top recruits and teaches them nothing about basketball. It's just a terrible era for basketball right now.

As a former UK fan, I keep wondering how top high school ballers don't see Calipari for the fraud he is.

[BatManu20]

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[sasaint]

Jerry West trying to make room for PG and/or Lebron

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Chandler and Jordan could swap yarns about their time with the Mavs. Oh, wait...

[Mr. Body]

As a former UK fan, I keep wondering how top high school ballers don't see Calipari for the fraud he is.

Well, he gets them drafted and a lot of money. But they're all bullshit players. None of them know how to win basketball games, lead teams, grind out wins, do much of anything. He's been instrumental in wrecking a whole era of basketball.

[Jdspur20]

Chandler and Jordan could swap yarns about their time with the Mavs. Oh, wait...

:lol

[Uriel]

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[Hoops Czar]

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Poor sap thinks Pau isn't going to re-sign.

[coachmac87]

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Windhorst just said the same thing on ESPN

[BatManu20]

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[raybies]

Who'd want DeAndre? Honest question but seriously

[sasaint]

Who'd want DeAndre? Honest question but seriously

He has almost zero value if he is not teamed with CP3.

[cd98]

Who'd want DeAndre? Honest question but seriously

Dallas

[DPG21920]

There are teams that could use DJ for sure. But LOL asking for a top 5 pick for him.

I mean, let's not act like if DJ were a FA this year that he would not be getting max level money. He would. But he only has one functional year left on his deal (player option after next year - which you would think he opts out and signs bigger deal).

[raybies]

But who'd give him a max? Which team would get better or even elite with him. He's just a finishing big.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Dallas

They're about to give Nerlens Noel a big contract. The center market is bad rn. Dwight and Brook both got salary dumped today.

[raybies]

Maybe Detroit for the 12 😂 They'd need a third team

[DPG21920]

But who'd give him a max? Which team would get better or even elite with him. He's just a finishing big.

Who would give Chandler Parsons the max? Or Evan Turner? Or pay Ibaka or Byiombo?

[Uriel]

Relevant now that Pau Gasol has opted out. Excerpt from an article by Kevin Pelton on the cap maneuvering required to get Chris Paul.


If Paul picks San Antonio, and the Spurs pay him the max, clearing enough room under the salary cap to fit his $35.3 million salary will be tricky. Even if center Pau Gasol (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/996/pau-gasol) declines his $16.2 million player option for 2017-18 and the Spurs renounce all their other free agents -- a group including key reserves Manu Ginobili (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/272/manu-ginobili), Patty Mills (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4004/patty-mills) and Jonathon Simmons (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2579466/jonathon-simmons) -- they'd still have less than $23 million in projected cap space based on the NBA's current $101 million salary-cap projection.

San Antonio could waive Parker and stretch his $15.4 million 2017-18 salary over the next three seasons to get to $33.2 million in cap space. Giving Paul his max would also require trading young reserves Kyle Anderson (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2993874/kyle-anderson), Davis Bertans (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6426/davis-bertans) and Dejounte Murray (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3907497/dejounte-murray) as well as this year's first-round pick (drafting a player who intends to remain overseas would also work), which would leave the Spurs with just three players under contract before signing Paul.

Alternatively, San Antonio could try to use draft picks to entice a team under the cap to take on Parker's entire $15.5 million salary, which under current projections would allow the Spurs to avoid trading any young players and to retain the rights to free agents Simmons and David Lee (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee) while still creating the necessary cap space.

[tholdren]

As a former UK fan, I keep wondering how top high school ballers don't see Calipari for the fraud he is.

Hows he a fraud? He just promises to get them nba drafted. Its the nba who picks these kids with no clue of how to play.

[tholdren]

Dallas

Cuban would never do that

[AFBlue]

Relevant now that Pau Gasol has opted out. Excerpt from an article by Kevin Pelton on the cap maneuvering required to get Chris Paul.

What about getting someone to take on Green's contract? I would think it's moveable.I just find the idea of moving or stretching Parker to be too far-fetched.

[sasaint]

Hows he a fraud? He just promises to get them nba drafted. Its the nba who picks these kids with no clue of how to play.

The NBA is not blameless, however, I agree with what Mr. Body had to say about the products of Calipari's "coaching."

[Uriel]

With Gasol at least temporarily off the books come July 1 — along with David Lee, who a league source said Tuesday is also planning to decline his $2.3 million option — the Spurs will enter free agency on the hook for about $76 million in guaranteed salary.

That puts the Spurs in position to begin free agency with as much as $24 million in cap space — enough to bolster the roster, though not quite enough for an All-NBA superstar like Paul.

In order to scrape together the $35.7 million needed to pay Paul or a similar maximum free agent next season, the Spurs would have to shed an additional $10 million or so in payroll.

Finding a trade partner for guard Danny Green would likely do the trick. So would waiving Tony Parker, the franchise point guard whose recovery from a devastating knee injury last month has cast an unexpected question mark over the Spurs’ offseason.
http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/In-declining-option-Gasol-gives-Spurs-an-assist-11234165.php (http://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/In-declining-option-Gasol-gives-Spurs-an-assist-11234165.php)

[sasaint]

What about getting someone to take on Green's contract? I would think it's moveable.I just find the idea of moving or stretching Parker to be too far-fetched.

The idea of signing Paul to a gutted roster is pretty far-fetched to me. I think the Spurs are more realistically targeting George Hill. Heck, I think Patrick Beverley would be a nice acquisition.

[TimDunkem]

They wouldn't need to gut the roster for the millionth time...

[DPG21920]

:lol What a drama this is:

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[ECOV]

@white dude tip toing :lmao
RIP to Kawhi's cornrows :depressed

[raybies]

Hill/Green/Leonard/Burton/Aldridge . Best Defensive Lineup in the League by a large margin.

Murray/Hanga/Anderson/Bertans/Milutinov

Forbes/Allen/????/?????/????

This is what I realistically want. If we could somehow squeeze Jonathon Simmons that'd be awesome

[Mugen]

:lol Ridiculous offseason so far.

Pretty funny to see all these loser teams wheeling and dealing while Spurs will probably bring in some Eastern European nigga and a local HEB grocery bagger and win 60+ next year...

[TimDunkem]

:lol Ridiculous offseason so far.

Pretty funny to see all these loser teams wheeling and dealing while Spurs will probably bring in some Eastern European nigga and a local HEB grocery bagger and win 60+ next year...
What do you mean? The more Spurs thing to do would be to stash the bagger for 6 years and hope he develops into a manager.

[sasaint]

:lol What a drama this is:

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Without any context I have no idea what the "drama" is.

[ace3g]

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[TimDunkem]

Beverly was replying to a tweet asking him to go home to Chicago.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

877373638198120448 Implications that Milutinov and Dangubic will be there?

[DPG21920]

Without any context I have no idea what the "drama" is.

A fan linked the article saying HOU was shopping Bev to Bev and said something to the effect of "this article is not true Bev does not want to be traded".

Bev replied "dont be so sure about that". Another fan said "come home to CHI" and Bev said what you see in the tweet I embedded.

Then his teammate Sam Dekker replied to him to "chill"

[SAGirl]

Hill/Green/Leonard/Burton/Aldridge . Best Defensive Lineup in the League by a large margin.

Murray/Hanga/Anderson/Bertans/Milutinov

Forbes/Allen/????/?????/????

This is what I realistically want. If we could somehow squeeze Jonathon Simmons that'd be awesome
Switch Simmons with Manu it looks like.
I don't know who Burton is... if Manu comes back he takes the spot if Hanga in that bench crew

[raybies]

Switch Simmons with Manu it looks like.
I don't know who Burton is... if Manu comes back he takes the spot if Hanga in that bench crew
yo check him out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNM2882qxsQ

[ace3g]

877373638198120448 Implications that Milutinov and Dangubic will be there?

Red Star Belgrade along with @Baskonia (https://twitter.com/Baskonia/) are the @spurs (https://twitter.com/spurs/) Euro-farm teams.

[raybies]

Red Star Belgrade along with @Baskonia (https://twitter.com/Baskonia/) are the @spurs (https://twitter.com/spurs/) Euro-farm teams.
officially? or unofficially official?

[ace3g]

officially? or unofficially official?

G-14 Classified

[MaNu4Tres]

yo check him out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNM2882qxsQ

D League bound for years. No thanks.

[BillMc]

Clips exploring a DeAndre trade (guess the days of blockading his house are over. :lol) Wonder what that means from a Paul point-of-view, if anything.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19692703/la-clippers-gauge-interest-deandre-jordan-trade

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[GSH]

Clips exploring a DeAndre trade (guess the days of blockading his house are over. :lol) Wonder what that means from a Paul point-of-view, if anything.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19692703/la-clippers-gauge-interest-deandre-jordan-trade


Probably going to get traded to Dallas. :lmao

[BillMc]

Probably going to get traded to Dallas. :lmao
:lol

[objective]

877373638198120448 Implications that Milutinov and Dangubic will be there?

Would be interesting to see Dangubic. Has NBA athleticism and perimeter defense, but not much else.

[spursistan]

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:lol

[cutewizard]

yo check him out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNM2882qxsQ

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The second coming of Barkley??!!

Im on with this guy!!!!!!

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

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Marco :depressed

[BatManu20]

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[San Antonio Slayer]

center Monroe looked much smaller than LMA at power forward. Deonte Burton please!

[look_at_g_shred]

Am i the only one here who thinks George Hill back would be a huge upgrade from last season?

[Jdspur20]

Am i the only one here who thinks George Hill back would be a huge upgrade from last season?

He would be an upgrade for sure from last season.
Defensively from the 1/2/3 positions you have Hill/Green/Leonard :wow

[TimDunkem]

It's not hard to be an upgrade over Patty 5ppg in the WCF Mills.

[BatManu20]

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[TimDunkem]

Hurray for non-athletes with limited upside! Can't wait to waste a few seasons on Mills 2.0.

[gambit1990]

not big on george hill. he doesn't add playmaking... can't be relied upon either.

would rather take shaun livingston. would cost a lot less and he has a higher basketball iq. he was solid in the finals.

[TheDoctor]

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Already a better playoffs performer than Pitty Mills.

[TimDunkem]

That's not saying much.

[gambit1990]

i want a better picture of the current payroll... with dedmon/lee/gasol opting out, etc.

[look_at_g_shred]

He would be an upgrade for sure from last season.
Defensively from the 1/2/3 positions you have Hill/Green/Leonard :wow

Dude right?

[gambit1990]

with pau being a team player, the spurs have $74,996,388 committed to 10 players (including livio and duncan) next season.

spurs minus green:
$64,996,388

spurs minus parker:
$59,543,262

tim doesn't count against the cap irrc? so subtract $1,881,250 from both figures. livio gets $1,242,240. idk if that counts against the cap.

you'd also have to add whatever gasol gets resigned for, obviously.

misc.:
murry, bertans, forbes are each making $1,312,611. kyle's at $2,151,704. everyone else on the team makes double figures.

[cd98]

Already a better playoffs performer than Pitty Mills.

Ha. But in fairness Curry said they sold out to keep Mills from getting a three up.

[HarlemHeat37]

Ha. But in fairness Curry said they sold out to keep Mills from getting a three up.

Can't really judge anybody off that series once Kawhi and Parker were out, tbh..you were asking #3 options to become #1s(Aldridge) and role players to become playmakers(Green, Mills) against the best defense in the league..

Mills struggled vs. OKC in the playoffs the previous year, as well, though, to be fair..no excuses for that one..

[sasaint]

Am i the only one here who thinks George Hill back would be a huge upgrade from last season?

No, you are not. In fact, I believe the Spurs will meet with CP3, but their fall-back plan (and the one they expect to execute) is G Hill. With BKY and Philly apparently finding answers to their PG questions, Georgie's value may have slid a bit, too. In any event, I would welcome George back - expecting him to be much less expensive than CP3.

[ECOV]

Houston is shopping Ryan Anderson and lou williams for cap flexibility

[look_at_g_shred]

Houston is shopping Ryan Anderson and lou williams for cap flexibility
Sure why not? Dude is automatic in the AT&T Center.

[sasaint]

Houston is shopping Ryan Anderson and lou williams for cap flexibility

And Beverley, too? What can we offer for Anderson and Beverley?

[San Antonio Slayer]

where the info on george hill came from? why utah would release him after such a successfull season with him?

[Ice009]

where the info on george hill came from? why utah would release him after such a successfull season with him?

They offered him a big extension earlier in the season and he turned it down. I wonder if he could end up with less money by turning it down.

[Chinook]

with pau being a team player, the spurs have $74,996,388 committed to 10 players (including livio and duncan) next season.

spurs minus green:
$64,996,388

spurs minus parker:
$59,543,262

tim doesn't count against the cap irrc? so subtract $1,881,250 from both figures. livio gets $1,242,240. idk if that counts against the cap.

you'd also have to add whatever gasol gets resigned for, obviously.

misc.:
murry, bertans, forbes are each making $1,312,611. kyle's at $2,151,704. everyone else on the team makes double figures.

Livio and Tim count against the cap. That's why stretching Parker is a tricky proposition.

[Chinook]

where the info on george hill came from? why utah would release him after such a successfull season with him?

He's a free agent.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

with pau being a team player, the spurs have $74,996,388 committed to 10 players (including livio and duncan) next season.

spurs minus green:
$64,996,388

spurs minus parker:
$59,543,262

tim doesn't count against the cap irrc? so subtract $1,881,250 from both figures. livio gets $1,242,240. idk if that counts against the cap.

you'd also have to add whatever gasol gets resigned for, obviously.

misc.:
murry, bertans, forbes are each making $1,312,611. kyle's at $2,151,704. everyone else on the team makes double figures.

Duncan and Livio both count against the cap. Also have to add the 1st round pick unless traded, Milutinov's cap hold unless they're not signing him again and the roster charges for empty roster spots.

[Chinook]

Duncan and Livio both count against the cap. Also have to add the 1st round pick unless traded, Milutinov's cap hold unless they're not signing him again and the roster charges for empty roster spots.

And to add to this, neither Livio nor Tim count toward the roster minimum, but Milutinov and the pick do.

[sasaint]

not big on george hill. he doesn't add playmaking... can't be relied upon either.

would rather take shaun livingston. would cost a lot less and he has a higher basketball iq. he was solid in the finals.

Why is George Hill unreliable? If you are talking about health, I think Livingston would be a higher risk. Don't get me wrong, I like Livingston a lot (and AI, too). It would be pathetic, though, to see the Spurs make a run at a GS guy and get snubbed.

[BatManu20]

Rockets trying to create their own superteam.

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[Chinook]

They must have had a falling out. Otherwise, you don't agree to trade Bev two weeks before the start of free agency.

[Mr. Body]

Rockets trying to create their own superteam.

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Paul would be crazy to go to Houston.

[Hoops Czar]

Paul would be crazy to go to Houston.

Why?

[BatManu20]

Rubio stans on ST will melt down.

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[Ice009]

If the Rockets trade away/salary dump all those guys, how many max free agents can they sign?

[Ditty]

The Rockets are such a shit franchise.

Morey sucks as a GM.

They have no roster stability.

They don't draft very well.

If they never received Harden, and Jordan didn't retire the franchise would be a joke.

[Mnky]

Beverly would be great. just under 6 million a year for two more years. I'm sure teams are blowing up Houston for them. Beverly I feel is too strong of a personality to mesh with Harden wanting to be the final say on the floor. They're definitely going all in on harden centered gambit. It got them close last year, and they probably would have matched up with the Warriors pretty well if they had faced them. This off-season is pretty awesome so far. Can't wait for draft night.

[cd98]

Why?
Who would be the PG? Hardin thinks he is. They'd have to change up their game.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If the Rockets trade away/salary dump all those guys, how many max free agents can they sign?

One. Barely.

[BatManu20]

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[NASpurs]

Georgie be gone.

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[Mr. Body]

Why?

Are you serious? How is he going to play next to Harden?

[Chinook]

Hill, Green, Kawhi, LMA, Dedmon
Murray, Hanga, Anderson, Bertans, Lee

Not a perfect rotation (someone out of the three perimeter bench guys needs to be a top shooter), but probably the best D in the league. Gets worst if you sub Pau for Dedmon, though, even if Gasol remains a bench player.

[Hoops Czar]

Who would be the PG? Hardin thinks he is. They'd have to change up their game.


Are you serious? How is he going to play next to Harden?



CP3 would play the point and Harden would go back to his customary 2-guard position. Harden at the point is one of the reasons the team has struggled. I give them credit for when players don't work out, they're not afraid to make a trade to free up cap space. The Spurs will continue to throw out the same garbage player that doesn't fit time and time again until he leaves for nothing. In RJ's case, they gave him a wink, wink extension.

[Leetonidas]

Hill, Green, Kawhi, LMA, Dedmon
Murray, Hanga, Anderson, Bertans, Lee

Not a perfect rotation (someone out of the three perimeter bench guys needs to be a top shooter), but probably the best D in the league. Gets worst if you sub Pau for Dedmon, though, even if Gasol remains a bench player.

Lee and Dedmon are not coming back tbh

[Mr. Body]

CP3 would play the point and Harden would go back to his customary 2-guard position. Harden at the point is one of the reasons the team has struggled. I give them credit for when players don't work out, they're not afraid to make a trade to free up cap space. The Spurs will continue to throw out the same garbage player that doesn't fit time and time again until he leaves for nothing. In RJ's case, they gave him a wink, wink extension.

Again, Paul would be crazy to gamble on that situation.

[Chinook]

Lee and Dedmon are not coming back tbh

I agree on Dedmon with Pau not being traded. But I'm pretty sure Lee will come back. He opted out because it was illogical to opt in. With the Spurs having the room exception, I could see him staying.

[Hoops Czar]

Lee and Dedmon are not coming back tbh

In Lee's case, that's a good thing. I've never seen a forum go monkey balls over a marginal player like that since Gary Neal.

[picnroll]

So looks like Pop may be getting back his long lost son, George.

[cd021]

The Rockets are such a shit franchise.

Morey sucks as a GM.

They have no roster stability.

They don't draft very well.

If they never received Harden, and Jordan didn't retire the franchise would be a joke.

I think they draft pretty well

Capella, Harrell, and Decker all seem like solid picks

[cd021]

Ha. But in fairness Curry said they sold out to keep Mills from getting a three up.

Sort of what Pop did by putting Kawhi on J.J in 2015. It makes plenty of sense to do so.

[cd021]

Rubio stans on ST will melt down.

877570451853070336

Non shooting PGs apparently giving Dallas pause:lol

That Rondo trade was bad; gave up a first plus Crowder and Wright ( who got traded for another first round pick) they essentially traded 2 firsts and a solid 3 and D player for half a season of Rondo.

[Snaq O'Meal]

CP3 would play the point and Harden would go back to his customary 2-guard position. Harden at the point is one of the reasons the team has struggled. I give them credit for when players don't work out, they're not afraid to make a trade to free up cap space. The Spurs will continue to throw out the same garbage player that doesn't fit time and time again until he leaves for nothing. In RJ's case, they gave him a wink, wink extension.

The Spurs were like the Rockets once, when they kicked out a 6'10" do-it-all guy in Hedo for failing to hit his 3s in the playoffs. Perhaps they've regretted that decision. So they gave chance after chance to a 6'10" do nothing at all guy in Bonner despite failing to hit his 3s playoffs after playoffs.

[cd98]

CP3 would play the point and Harden would go back to his customary 2-guard position. Harden at the point is one of the reasons the team has struggled. I give them credit for when players don't work out, they're not afraid to make a trade to free up cap space. The Spurs will continue to throw out the same garbage player that doesn't fit time and time again until he leaves for nothing. In RJ's case, they gave him a wink, wink extension.

They had a better season last year with Hardin at PG, and a much worse season with him as a shooting guard. He's a ball dominant player. So is Paul. I don't see the marriage working out.

[objective]

Am i the only one here who thinks George Hill back would be a huge upgrade from last season?

I agree he would be a big upgrade if healthy. Numbers from Locked On Jazz:

92nd percentile pick and roll production in the league.

EFG% when players went under on screens: 91%, #1 in NBA.

He'd space the floor for Kawhi, be able to cover twos. Not a perfect player, but an upgrade for sure.

[look_at_g_shred]

I agree he would be a big upgrade if healthy. Numbers from Locked On Jazz:

92nd percentile pick and roll production in the league.

EFG% when players went under on screens: 91%, #1 in NBA.

He'd space the floor for Kawhi, be able to cover twos. Not a perfect player, but an upgrade for sure.
I can't remember the percentage on corner 3's but I think it's pretty high.

[Dex]

If we can't get CP3, Georgie is my next pick. Has improved offensively, is accustomed to being a leader from IND and UTA, and obviously still carries his defensive calling card. Would improve what was already one of the best defensive starting lineups in the league. Plus he gets to come back to his basketball home where he was previously loved.

Hill/Green/Kawhi would be the scariest defensive backcourt in the league...although don't know if we'd be able to retain Danny and fetch Hill.

Do not not NOT want Lowry. Low efficiency, high volume player which would just take shots out of Kawhi's hands.

[Hoops Czar]

The Spurs were like the Rockets once, when they kicked out a 6'10" do-it-all guy in Hedo for failing to hit his 3s in the playoffs. Perhaps they've regretted that decision. So they gave chance after chance to a 6'10" do nothing at all guy in Bonner despite failing to hit his 3s playoffs after playoffs.

The Spurs gifted that nigga a 10 year $27.1M career for being a career garbage time player. :lol To add fuel to the fire, the Spurs had a chance to amnesty him and use the money to improve the team and they chose to keep him and re-up him in free agency instead.


They had a better season last year with Hardin at PG, and a much worse season with him as a shooting guard. He's a ball dominant player. So is Paul. I don't see the marriage working out.

The Rockets were a dysfunctional hot mess with Ty Lawson running the point and was in the process of bringing down the whole team when Houston made the switch to put Harden back at the point and benching that hot mess of a player before eventually trading him to Indiana. If I may play devils advocate for a moment, Kawhi is a ball dominant player too. What makes you think he'll be a good fit next to Leonard? They already have two ball dominant players (LMA, Leonard) in the starting lineup.

[sasaint]

So looks like Pop may be getting back his long lost son, George.

Notwithstanding all the CP3 chatter, I think that was kind of the plan all along. And I am okay with that. I would be okay with Patrick Beverley on his contract, too, tbh.

[sasaint]

The Spurs gifted that nigga a 10 year $27.1M career for being a career garbage time player. :lol To add fuel to the fire, the Spurs had a chance to amnesty him and use the money to improve the team and they chose to keep him and re-up him in free agency instead.

Pop has created the ball-dominant Kawhi we have had the last couple of seasons. He is also extremely effective off the ball. That's what he did before Pop reverted to 90's ball.

The Rockets were a dysfunctional hot mess with Ty Lawson running the point and was in the process of bringing down the whole team when Houston made the switch to put Harden back at the point and benching that hot mess of a player before eventually trading him to Indiana. If I may play devils advocate for a moment, Kawhi is a ball dominant player too. What makes you think he'll be a good fit next to Leonard? They already have two ball dominant players (LMA, Leonard) in the starting lineup.

[DPG21920]

I would take Rubio *ducks*

[cd98]

The Spurs gifted that nigga a 10 year $27.1M career for being a career garbage time player. :lol To add fuel to the fire, the Spurs had a chance to amnesty him and use the money to improve the team and they chose to keep him and re-up him in free agency instead.



The Rockets were a dysfunctional hot mess with Ty Lawson running the point and was in the process of bringing down the whole team when Houston made the switch to put Harden back at the point and benching that hot mess of a player before eventually trading him to Indiana. If I may play devils advocate for a moment, Kawhi is a ball dominant player too. What makes you think he'll be a good fit next to Leonard? They already have two ball dominant players (LMA, Leonard) in the starting lineup.

Well I do think Paul would be a slight upgrade over Lawson (that's a joke). But Hardin's whole career, he's been ball dominant. He came off the bench in OKC because he and Russ couldn't share. Kawhi has evolved into a ball dominant player as we have no one that can effectively manufacture a shot in the last 5 seconds of the shot clock. That said, the first few years, Kawhi played off the ball and was just as efficient. Whether Kawhi initiates the offense or Parker does, Kawhi can still average 20 points a game off the ball. Maybe Harden can too, but every play in Houston was him breaking down a guy off the dribble and either shooting a layup or passing to a three point shooter. And in his selfish way, I think that's how he wants to keep things.

[NickiRasgo]

If the Spurs signs George Hill and Adam Hanga this off-season, I hope Pop starts the game with this lineup against Pacers:

PG - George Hill
SG - Adam Hanga
SF - Kawhi Leonard
PF - Davis Bertans

[apalisoc_9]

Ducks love white players..Any white player would do for ducks.

Ducks would trade kawhi for Jimmer

[Drom John]

2016-2017
Win Share

10.6 Chris Paul
10.1 Kyle Lowry
6.1 Ricky Rubio
5.9 George Hill
5.3 Patrick Beverly
5.1 Patty Mills
3.0 Tony Parker

[Ditty]

I think they draft pretty well

Capella, Harrell, and Decker all seem like solid picks

You think so?

Capella is a good defender but nothing special. Offense he doesn't have much to his game.

Harrell has some intriguing skill set, but I don't think he is a great fit in Houston.

Decker is okay. He doesn't do anything special from what I have seen.

[Seventyniner]

I agree he would be a big upgrade if healthy. Numbers from Locked On Jazz:

92nd percentile pick and roll production in the league.

EFG% when players went under on screens: 91%, #1 in NBA.

He'd space the floor for Kawhi, be able to cover twos. Not a perfect player, but an upgrade for sure.

That and the Spurs' defense at PG would go from a glaring weakness to a strength. But I would be worried about Hill's playmaking abilities, he can make the basic passes but you need to be better than that against the Warriors.

[Seventyniner]

Hill, Green, Kawhi, LMA, Dedmon
Murray, Hanga, Anderson, Bertans, Lee

Not a perfect rotation (someone out of the three perimeter bench guys needs to be a top shooter), but probably the best D in the league. Gets worst if you sub Pau for Dedmon, though, even if Gasol remains a bench player.

Where does Parker fit into this? Stretched to make room for Hill?

If Hill gets around $22M in season one, stretching Parker should leave the Spurs with about $10M in cap space. Does your scenario use it all on Dedmon?

I think Manu fits better with that bench than Hanga, not enough scoring threats the way yours stands. It also depends on who the 11th-15th men are.

[cd98]

Yawn. Yesterday was exciting. Today, nothing to see.

[tonight...you]

I would take Rubio *ducks*
I would too *ducks behind you and hopes the bullets aren't aimed at me*

[stephen jackson]

green on the block :downspin:

[ECOV]

spurs open on trading danny

[tonight...you]

I'm shocked. SHOCKED I tell you.

[HarlemHeat37]

Pretty obvious move, since they would never part ways with Parker, unfortunately..

[tonight...you]

coachmac may end up right this whole time...

[marinoman]

They should get a lot of suitors, at 10 million his contract is solid

[Joseph Kony]

Pretty obvious move, since they would never part ways with Parker, unfortunately..

tell that to tmtcsc tbh :lol

[peacemaker885]

Spurs open to trading DG.

[RD2191]

:cry Chinook

[Dex]

green on the block :downspin:

That's the move we need for a CP3 or Georgie.

Obviously it makes more sense to move Parker, but I don't think they could ever do it, especially since he went down playing his heart out in the playoffs. Spurs will remain loyal to the Big 3.

[tonight...you]

tell that to tmtcsc tbh :lol
Every time I see you and that avi, I think of The Chappelle Show intro, at the end where Chapelle comes into frame yelling "Betta not bring yo kiiiiiids!".
Lol

[HarlemHeat37]

They should get a lot of suitors, at 10 million his contract is solid

Yep..10 mil is bench player salary, at the moment, it's what teams are beginning to pay for 7th/8th men..

No-brainer to take a flier and hope he turns it around in a system more suited for role players, he's only 2 years removed from one of the better role player seasons(2014-2015) of this decade..

[Joseph Kony]

Spurs opening up room for CP3...itshappening.gif

[Joseph Kony]

Every time I see you and that avi, I think of The Chappelle Show intro, at the end where Chapelle comes into frame yelling "Betta not bring yo kiiiiiids!".
Lol
:lol cus i'll butt fuck 'em

[HarlemHeat37]

coachmac may end up right this whole time...

I hope the Spurs get CP3 for his sake, tbh, he had pretty high hopes for Durant choosing SA, last year:lol would suck if they get rejected again..

[sasaint]

I'm shocked. SHOCKED I tell you.

Here's your winnings, sir.

[TheDoctor]

Pretty obvious move, since they would never part ways with Parker...
tmtcsc on suicide watch tbh

[dabom]

green (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=45133) about to get traded. Chinook. :lol

[sasaint]

They should get a lot of suitors, at 10 million his contract is solid

:tu

So, we may be heading down the JSimms road.

[tonight...you]

Here's your winnings, sir.
Wait... that was a fart, you asshole! Lol. Now I feel like KD.

[HarlemHeat37]

Moving Green makes sense, regardless, and I say that as probably his 3rd biggest apologist here, tbh..

It's evident that he isn't going to magically transform into pre-Aldridge Green in this system, especially without a competent guard creator..ironically, he would probably be the biggest beneficiary of Chris Paul joining the Spurs, though:lol

[peacemaker885]

Love DG but man he's such a let down. Weak psyche. Simms is the man.

[Joseph Kony]

I'll miss DG, but he hasn't been the same since 2015. Hopefully spurs can find a cheap 3/D player to replace him

[HarlemHeat37]

Simmons would be an atrocious fit with Chris Paul, tbh..if Spurs lose Green, hopefully they can find a veteran spot-up shooter willing to chase a ring..

[jermaine]

Is he really open to be traded?

[look_at_g_shred]

:cry

[sasaint]

That's the move we need for a CP3 or Georgie.

Obviously it makes more sense to move Parker, but I don't think they could ever do it, especially since he went down playing his heart out in the playoffs. Spurs will remain loyal to the Big 3.

I'd rather have Georgie plus another starter/rotation player.

[NASpurs]

I would be bummed out for a hot second if LDN gets traded but it is what it is. LDN :cry

[TD 21]

Doesn't make sense to me. Unless I'm missing something, why wouldn't they offer Paul 1+1, $25M for next season, opt out, sign 4 year max at that point?

The whole point of this would be to have strongest possible team and even though Green would fetch a solid young asset, downgrading in the interim to probably Afflalo (sub par defender) or Sefolosha (sub par shooter), doesn't jive with that.

As far as the Rockets interest in Paul, not a chance he's going somewhere to be essentially a co-PG. Also, Rockets losing game 5 to Leonard (down the stretch) and Parker less Spurs, then getting blown out, at home, in game 6, again without them and season on line, had to kill perception they were at or above Spurs level, too.

[Hoops Czar]

Simmons would be an atrocious fit with Chris Paul, tbh..if Spurs lose Green, hopefully they can find a veteran spot-up shooter willing to chase a ring..

Green isn't going anywhere unless they get a commitment from CP3, which is unlikely to happen before early July. I don't think he's even worth losing over a player like Hill and I'm not even Green fan.

[HarlemHeat37]

Green isn't going anywhere unless they get a commitment from CP3, which is unlikely to happen before early July. I don't think he's even worth losing over a player like Hill and I'm not even Green fan.

I love Green, but I don't think they need a commitment from Paul prior to moving him..as long as they feel confident that acquiring CP3 is a reality, it's worth losing Danny and opening up the cap space, regardless of whether Paul guarantees you he's coming or not..

As for George Hill, then ya, I would probably need a verbal commitment from him before moving Green for nothing..

[tonight...you]

I love Green, but I don't think they need a commitment from Paul..as long as they feel confident that acquiring him is a reality, it's worth losing Danny..

As for George Hill, then ya, I would probably need a verbal commitment from him before moving Green for nothing..
Their backup plan is probably signing Simmons and having him replace Green as the starter.

[Mal]

Their backup plan is probably signing Simmons and having him replace Green as the starter.

Simmons will get offer on 1st of July.

[Mal]

Spurs don't need to dump Green to get Hill. I doubt he'll get more than 17-18 mil a year.

[Chinook]

:cry Chinook (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557)

The nightmare of every true Spursfan, tbh.

[Chinook]

I will be annoyed if the Spurs dump Green just to give Pau his salary slot. I disagree with Paul, but at least I can see the appeal. But they better be willing to use all $35 Million if they deal him, not have Pau earmarked for $10 Million while trying to sell Chris on taking a discount.

[tonight...you]

Simmons will get offer on 1st of July.
I'm sure he will, hence why this team is doing what they're doing now and not later.

[tonight...you]

I will be annoyed if the Spurs dump Green just to give Pau his salary slot. I disagree with Paul, but at least I can see the appeal. But they better be willing to use all $35 Million if they deal him, not have Pau earmarked for $10 Million while trying to sell Chris on taking a discount.
This is going to be a difficult off-season, no matter what, for sure. See? This is why I'm trying to go that Zen Buddhist route...

[TD 21]

I love Green, but I don't think they need a commitment from Paul prior to moving him..as long as they feel confident that acquiring CP3 is a reality, it's worth losing Danny and opening up the cap space, regardless of whether Paul guarantees you he's coming or not..

As for George Hill, then ya, I would probably need a verbal commitment from him before moving Green for nothing..

That doesn't make any sense. So you'd not only trade Green just for the sake of it, but do so for "nothing"? If they miss on Paul, they'll have created a hole elsewhere for no reason.

All Paul needs to know is that there's a feasible path to the requisite cap space lined up, that would keep the majority of the roster intact. They don't literally need to have it by the meeting.

[Hoops Czar]

I will be annoyed if the Spurs dump Green just to give Pau his salary slot. I disagree with Paul, but at least I can see the appeal. But they better be willing to use all $35 Million if they deal him, not have Pau earmarked for $10 Million while trying to sell Chris on taking a discount.

Assuming the Spurs can lure Paul into a 1+1 deal with the Spurs, what would it take for the Spurs to land a second marquee FA in 2018?

[Hoops Czar]

That doesn't make any sense. So you'd not only trade Green just for the sake of it, but do so for "nothing"? If they miss on Paul, they'll have created a hole elsewhere for no reason.

All Paul needs to know is that there's a feasible path to the requisite cap space lined up, that would keep the majority of the roster intact. They don't literally need to have it by the meeting.

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. He might be a huge Bryn Forbes fan.

[Chinook]

Assuming the Spurs can lure Paul into a 1+1 deal with the Spurs, what would it take for the Spurs to land a second marquee FA in 2018?

An S&T most likely. Like the Hawks are asking for a Millsap deal. Using Parker or Pau as ballast for that would be a way to add another big contract. But of course, it's not likely.

[Chinook]

That doesn't make any sense. So you'd not only trade Green just for the sake of it, but do so for "nothing"? If they miss on Paul, they'll have created a hole elsewhere for no reason.

All Paul needs to know is that there's a feasible path to the requisite cap space lined up, that would keep the majority of the roster intact. They don't literally need to have it by the meeting.

I would not dump Green for nothing. But I'd rather move him for a decent pick now (like a mid-first) and end up getting nobody than waiting for a commitment from Pau or whomever before dumping him for nothing.

[tonight...you]

I would not dump Green for nothing. But I'd rather move him for a decent pick now (like a mid-first) and end up getting nobody than waiting for a commitment from Pau or whomever before dumping him for nothing.
Trading DG for a near-lottery pick would be so ideal, if they are dead-set on trading him. I doubt that happens, but darn, I would like to see it, should they trade him.

[BatManu20]

877650837094375424

[HarlemHeat37]

That doesn't make any sense. So you'd not only trade Green just for the sake of it, but do so for "nothing"? If they miss on Paul, they'll have created a hole elsewhere for no reason.

All Paul needs to know is that there's a feasible path to the requisite cap space lined up, that would keep the majority of the roster intact. They don't literally need to have it by the meeting.

They wouldn't be getting nothing IMO..shouldn't have trouble getting a 1st round pick or high 2nd(which is essentially nothing but still :lol ) + losing Green makes it more likely that the Spurs retain Simmons..

I don't think the risk is that great, tbh..I'd rather get something early than wait for verbal guarantees and commitments deep into free agency..

[Mr. Body]

I'd think Green would pull an asset in trade, but the league will know the team is desperate and the Spurs will likely try to get him to a good spot for him anyway.

[Chinook]

With Splitter, there were rumblings that he was very popular during the 2015 draft. I'm not sure if that was as a dump or an asset, though. If the latter, I think the Spurs made a sizable mistake in waiting. No reason to piss away trade value.

[coachmac87]

:wakeup

[tonight...you]

:wakeup
My man...

[Hoops Czar]

877650837094375424

Whatever gets him off the air at ESPN. Every time he opened his mouth, he struck me as someone who didn't know what he was talking about and now he's going to be entering a job that requires him to know stuff.

Lebron :lol

[TD 21]

I would not dump Green for nothing. But I'd rather move him for a decent pick now (like a mid-first) and end up getting nobody than waiting for a commitment from Pau or whomever before dumping him for nothing.

Only an idiot would. Green is absolutely worth a decent pick or prospect and that's not changing with a verbal commitment from Paul. Sure, teams would know Spurs need (supposedly) to dump him at that point, but that wouldn't diminish his value. He's clearly more valuable than Splitter was.



They wouldn't be getting nothing IMO..shouldn't have trouble getting a 1st round pick + losing Green makes it more likely that the Spurs retain Simmons..

I don't think the risk is that great, tbh..I'd rather get something early than wait for verbal guarantees and commitments deep into free agency..

You said nothing.

He's an in his prime (age wise, at least) 3 and D wing, with a relative bargain of a contract (granted, for only 1 more year), a championship pedigree and a penchant for raising his game in the playoffs. No matter what happens in free agency, he's fetching the same beforehand that he'd fetch a few days into it, especially considering Paul, as the premiere free agent who isn't a lock to re-sign, probably at least somewhat holds up the market.

There's literally no reason to move him beforehand and they'd be insane to do so without knowing Paul is coming.

[sasaint]

Whatever gets him off the air at ESPN. Every time he opened his mouth, he struck me as someone who didn't know what he was talking about and now he's going to be entering a job that requires him to know stuff.

Lebron :lol

:lol You nailed it! :toast

[tonight...you]

Only an idiot would. Green is absolutely worth a decent pick or prospect and that's not changing with a verbal commitment from Paul. Sure, teams would know Spurs need (supposedly) to dump him at that point, but that wouldn't diminish his value. He's clearly more valuable than Splitter was.




You said nothing.

He's an in his prime (age wise, at least) 3 and D wing, with a relative bargain of a contract (granted, for only 1 more year), a championship pedigree and a penchant for raising his game in the playoffs. No matter what happens in free agency, he's fetching the same beforehand that he'd fetch a few days into it, especially considering Paul, as the premiere free agent who isn't a lock to re-sign, probably at least somewhat holds up the market.

There's literally no reason to move him beforehand and they'd be insane to do so without knowing Paul is coming.
Good points.

[Chinook]

Only an idiot would. Green is absolutely worth a decent pick or prospect and that's not changing with a verbal commitment from Paul. Sure, teams would know Spurs need (supposedly) to dump him at that point, but that wouldn't diminish his value. He's clearly more valuable than Splitter was.

Trading him for a pick means you get to use that pick. So say the Spurs want Collins. Detroit at 12 wants Green, and Collins is on the board until he gets picked by Chicago at 15. If the Spurs wait until the summer, they don't have the option to get Collins, only whomever the Pistons have. They have no idea if Chicago would even want Green enough to trade Collins, or even if they did if they can offer the same extra terms.

[tonight...you]

Trading him for a pick means you get to use that pick. So say the Spurs want Collins. Detroit at 12 wants Green, and Collins is on the board until he gets picked by Chicago at 15. If the Spurs wait until the summer, they don't have the option to get Collins, only whomever the Pistons have. They have no idea if Chicago would even want Green enough to trade Collins, or even if they did if they can offer the same extra terms.
Good counter-point.

[sasaint]

I would not dump Green for nothing. But I'd rather move him for a decent pick now (like a mid-first) and end up getting nobody than waiting for a commitment from Pau or whomever before dumping him for nothing.

If the Spurs did acquire a mid-first for Danny, that opens up a new scenario. Would the Spurs want to keep two firsts or trade up to a single first round pick?

[HarlemHeat37]

Only an idiot would. Green is absolutely worth a decent pick or prospect and that's not changing with a verbal commitment from Paul. Sure, teams would know Spurs need (supposedly) to dump him at that point, but that wouldn't diminish his value. He's clearly more valuable than Splitter was.




You said nothing.

He's an in his prime (age wise, at least) 3 and D wing, with a relative bargain of a contract (granted, for only 1 more year), a championship pedigree and a penchant for raising his game in the playoffs. No matter what happens in free agency, he's fetching the same beforehand that he'd fetch a few days into it, especially considering Paul, as the premiere free agent who isn't a lock to re-sign, probably at least somewhat holds up the market.

There's literally no reason to move him beforehand and they'd be insane to do so without knowing Paul is coming.

I meant nothing as in moving him without the reward of eventually acquiring Paul or Hill or somebody else:lol I'm obviously aware of Green's credentials, I defend him here as much as anybody outside of Chinook..

[TD 21]

Trading him for a pick means you get to use that pick. So say the Spurs want Collins. Detroit at 12 wants Green, and Collins is on the board until he gets picked by Chicago at 15. If the Spurs wait until the summer, they don't have the option to get Collins, only whomever the Pistons have. They have no idea if Chicago would even want Green enough to trade Collins, or even if they did if they can offer the same extra terms.

I understand, I just think that's too risky and Pistons don't have enough cap space to absorb Green's salary. Think Spurs would at least have to have an inkling Paul is coming to do that. Even if he is, it would suck bad enough to trade Green, let alone have to wait a year to get a pick, but I'd rather do it that way if need be.

[SAGirl]

:tu

So, we may be heading down the JSimms road.
Exactly what I thought.
They will make a run at CP3, but if not, G..Hill and Simmons is it.

[apalisoc_9]

I hate Signing a 32 year old for a super max.

Agh....

[Chinook]

I understand, I just think that's too risky and Pistons don't have enough cap space to absorb Green's salary. Think Spurs would at least have to have an inkling Paul is coming to do that. Even if he is, it would suck bad enough to trade Green, let alone have to wait a year to get a pick, but I'd rather do it that way if need be.

You know I'm a Green homer, but what's the risk? The Spurs are already considering the suboptimal thing of moving Green and keeping Parker. Doing so has no functional negative consequence. They aren't likely to beat the Warriors without a top talent, with or without Green. Instead of waiting and taking less, they can get paid for their risk and then go for Paul. Getting the 12th pick and cap space to sign a $10-Million player is hardly a waste. If they spend that money on Pau or whatever, then it might suck. But even if it's not Paul, getting someone like Hayward to take the other wing spot and a good pick is hardly a crisis situation.

[spursistan]

I understand, I just think that's too risky and Pistons don't have enough cap space to absorb Green's salary. Think Spurs would at least have to have an inkling Paul is coming to do that. Even if he is, it would suck bad enough to trade Green, let alone have to wait a year to get a pick, but I'd rather do it that way if need be.
If they move fast on him, it would seem like they have high degree of confidence they can nab Chris Paul-- if not outright commitment from him. There's no way around it..

Coercing Pau to an opt out and this Green news today point clearly to Paul as the major target..And let's be real: High profile FA meetings are mostly token; 80%-90% of the time these superstars have already made up their mind as to what their next destination is..You think Durant or Lebron were dithering between choices in 2010/2016? :lol

[SAGirl]

Doesn't make sense to me. Unless I'm missing something, why wouldn't they offer Paul 1+1, $25M for next season, opt out, sign 4 year max at that point?

The whole point of this would be to have strongest possible team and even though Green would fetch a solid young asset, downgrading in the interim to probably Afflalo (sub par defender) or Sefolosha (sub par shooter), doesn't jive with that.

As far as the Rockets interest in Paul, not a chance he's going somewhere to be essentially a co-PG. Also, Rockets losing game 5 to Leonard (down the stretch) and Parker less Spurs, then getting blown out, at home, in game 6, again without them and season on line, had to kill perception they were at or above Spurs level, too.
Maybe they are targeting someone in the draft.... What do you think?
the last time rumors like this surfaced they were about Tony and instead G.Hill got traded instead.... but it was all about the pick.

[TD 21]

I hate Signing a 32 year old for a super max.

Agh....

Obviously, it's not ideal, but what's the alternative that gives them a better chance at another championship?

You mock the city and act like no big star would ever come, then want them to shun a possible opportunity to sign one.

Also, you're assuming Paul will fall off a cliff in the next 2 seasons, as if there's no chance of him having Stockton like longevity.



You know I'm a Green homer, but what's the risk? The Spurs are already considering the suboptimal thing of moving Green and keeping Parker. Doing so has no functional negative consequence. They aren't likely to beat the Warriors without a top talent, with or without Green. Instead of waiting and taking less, they can get paid for their risk and then go for Paul. Getting the 12th pick and cap space to sign a $10-Million player is hardly a waste. If they spend that money on Pau or whatever, then it might suck. But even if it's not Paul, getting someone like Hayward to take the other wing spot and a good pick is hardly a crisis situation.

The risk is they don't sign Paul and Green is traded for no reason.

They wouldn't get less by waiting, they'd just get a pick for '18 instead of '17. If that's the cost for making sure Paul is signing before pulling the trigger on a Green trade, so be it.

No chance Hayward would sign to be Pippen to Leonard's Jordan (in terms of function).




If they move fast on him, it would seem like they have high degree of confidence they can nab Chris Paul-- if not outright commitment from him. There's no way around it..

Coercing Pau to an opt out and this Green news today point clearly to Paul as the major target..And let's be real: High profile FA meetings are mostly token; 80%-90% of the time these superstars have already made up their mind as to what their next destination is..You think Durant or Lebron were dithering between choices in 2010/2016? :lol

True. I don't think Spurs would be dumb enough to risk ending up with neither.



Maybe they are targeting someone in the draft.... What do you think?
the last time rumors like this surfaced they were about Tony and instead G.Hill got traded instead.... but it was all about the pick.

Maybe and that's the only way this could make sense independent of Paul.

[Chinook]

Maybe they are targeting someone in the draft.... What do you think?
the last time rumors like this surfaced they were about Tony and instead G.Hill got traded instead.... but it was all about the pick.

Kyle on the block? If Simmons were under contract still, I'd think there were something to the smokescreen argument. Though I guess they could also be talking about Green to show they're willing to not move Parker, in case they're getting bad deals for him.

[apalisoc_9]

If the spurs dont win this year or next, 28 year old kawhi will playing with shitty teamates.

What a huge risk :cry

[SAGirl]

:tu

So, we may be heading down the JSimms road.
Now that I think about it makes sense they called Hanga, are working out Dangubic and Kawhis friend from college, Jamal Franklin.

[LittleCriminal]

Quick Somebody tweet TP9 to take a paycut/retire or whatever needs to be done to free up some cap space!

[LittleCriminal]

Tp9 needs to get over himself

[Chinook]

The risk is they don't sign Paul and Green is traded for no reason.

There are more scenarios to the off-season than signing Paul. We don't even know if they are trading him for spacing. For all we know, we end up seeing these discussion lead to something for Millsap with ATL. Danny makes the Spurs better, but with an injured Parker and LMA and Gasol being inconsistent, missing Green is not the worst issue they'd be facing.


They wouldn't get less by waiting, they'd just get a pick for '18 instead of '17. If that's the cost for making sure Paul is signing before pulling the trigger on a Green trade, so be it.

They'd get a pick in 2018 with no differentiation and by a team that gets to use Green first instead of a very specific pick/player. That gap is huge. Imagine getting the Pacers pick in 2012 instead of Kawhi. Even if their pick were in the top five, it would not have been good enough.


No chance Hayward would sign to be Pippen to Leonard's Jordan (in terms of function).

I don't see why not. He'd be IT's sidekick in Boston. CP3 would be a second-fiddle to Kawhi, and he's way more arrogant than Hayward is, going off limited exposure.

[SAGirl]

This is going to be a difficult off-season, no matter what, for sure. See? This is why I'm trying to go that Zen Buddhist route...
Good route.
:toast

[Leetonidas]

Quick Somebody tweet TP9 to take a paycut/retire or whatever needs to be done to free up some cap space!

Great idea! Why hasnt anyone thought of this?? I'm sure he'll be apt to listening to random people on Twitter about his career!

[LittleCriminal]

Great idea! Why hasnt anyone thought of this?? I'm sure he'll be apt to listening to random people on Twitter about his career!

I know right.. You should totally do it.. Im sure he'll listen to you!

[SAGirl]

Kyle on the block? If Simmons were under contract still, I'd think there were something to the smokescreen argument. Though I guess they could also be talking about Green to show they're willing to not move Parker, in case they're getting bad deals for him.
It wouldn't surprise me. If he's not in the plans for their future I would rather they trade him. I think in other teams he would already be playing every night and that's really the only way he will get better from now on. He's young. Guys his age are coming into the league still and he's so clearly above dleague and summer league talent at this point. For his benefit he needs to play every night and get challenges. He has only gotten that sporadically in the Spurs.

I stated elsewhere everyone is probably game to be traded for the right target. (Except Kawhi and Pop's sons:Tony and Manu). It's hard to really discern through Pop's smokescreen... he has depressed Kyle's value benching him. That's only if it's about a target... if it's about cap... why trade him he's clearly producing above his contract value when given minutes and has such a small contract still.

[TD 21]

There are more scenarios to the off-season than signing Paul. We don't even know if they are trading him for spacing. For all we know, we end up seeing these discussion lead to something for Millsap with ATL. Danny makes the Spurs better, but with an injured Parker and LMA and Gasol being inconsistent, missing Green is not the worst issue they'd be facing.



They'd get a pick in 2018 with no differentiation and by a team that gets to use Green first instead of a very specific pick/player. That gap is huge. Imagine getting the Pacers pick in 2012 instead of Kawhi. Even if their pick were in the top five, it would not have been good enough.



I don't see why not. He'd be IT's sidekick in Boston. CP3 would be a second-fiddle to Kawhi, and he's way more arrogant than Hayward is, going off limited exposure.

Maybe, but I think as far as possible significant additions, it's Paul or Hill.

Leonard is a rare case and you can generally project what range teams will fall in a year in advance. I'm not saying it would be ideal, but I see it as the lesser of 2 evils.

Thomas is a PG though. There's significant overlap with Leonard and Hayward and it would be exacerbated by Parker's and Murray's inability to function as a SG on offense, which is the type of PG required to play with two ball dominant wings.

Paul is 5 years older than Hayward and has 8 extra seasons of having been "the man" on him too. He's at the point now where winning probably supersedes the need for that.

[TimDunkem]

I'd trade Kyle for a pick, tbh.

[DPG21920]

Moving Green makes sense, regardless, and I say that as probably his 3rd biggest apologist here, tbh..

It's evident that he isn't going to magically transform into pre-Aldridge Green in this system, especially without a competent guard creator..ironically, he would probably be the biggest beneficiary of Chris Paul joining the Spurs, though:lol

The issue is, that losing Danny, even while adding like CP3 doesn't help overall a ton IMO. I mean its a talent upgrade, but for truly taking a step adding to core of LMA/Kawhi/Danny with a great player really amps the team up. Now? It helps for sure, but man, it really sucks.

Plus Danny has been an amazing Spurs. One of my all-time favorites for sure.

[Hoops Czar]

Exactly what I thought.
They will make a run at CP3, but if not, G..Hill and Simmons is it.

Uncertainty vs absolute in regards to Simmons. It's nice when a guy comes from nowhere and performs better than expected for less than half of the games he's played in the last two years. Sure, he had a great series vs GS (had the series of his life) but does his small sample size of production trump his sub par regular season performances? Statistically speaking, he was better in 2015-16. Helluva gamble to risk a 4 year contract on a player like Simmons who will have expectations placed on him for the first time in his career. Spurs would not be wise to trade away Green and replace him with Simmons.

[DPG21920]

They wouldn't be getting nothing IMO..shouldn't have trouble getting a 1st round pick or high 2nd(which is essentially nothing but still :lol ) + losing Green makes it more likely that the Spurs retain Simmons..

I don't think the risk is that great, tbh..I'd rather get something early than wait for verbal guarantees and commitments deep into free agency..

The issue is, with Pau likely getting money, that getting a pick this year (especially near the lottery or in it) adds salary. So Pau at 8M (for example) then less Danny's 10M + the 1st round pick from the trade salary means they really don't have the salary for CP3. Even w/Pau & Danny totally off the books (assuming Pau is gone which is best case scenario) that is only 32M (and that is with having all FA renounced including Simmmons).

So now you have Mills/Dedmon/Lee/Pau/Danny/Simmons/Manu all gone and still don't have a max slot.

[RodNIc91]

Only an idiot would. Green is absolutely worth a decent pick or prospect and that's not changing with a verbal commitment from Paul. Sure, teams would know Spurs need (supposedly) to dump him at that point, but that wouldn't diminish his value. He's clearly more valuable than Splitter was.




You said nothing.

He's an in his prime (age wise, at least) 3 and D wing, with a relative bargain of a contract (granted, for only 1 more year), a championship pedigree and a penchant for raising his game in the playoffs. No matter what happens in free agency, he's fetching the same beforehand that he'd fetch a few days into it, especially considering Paul, as the premiere free agent who isn't a lock to re-sign, probably at least somewhat holds up the market.

There's literally no reason to move him beforehand and they'd be insane to do so without knowing Paul is coming.

Isn't it possible it is a smokescreen PATFO are trying to create, similarly to the George Hill situation before?

[BatManu20]

CIA Pop and RC secretly recruiting Danny's replacement :lol

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[jjktkk]

Simmons would be an atrocious fit with Chris Paul, tbh..if Spurs lose Green, hopefully they can find a veteran spot-up shooter willing to chase a ring..

Vince Carter?

[BatManu20]

They will in about 24 hours.

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