Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[Play Boban]

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[TimDunkem]

Still a rip-off, imo. :lmao

[gambit1990]

i've really never wanted melo... i'll take him if he comes with porzingis.

[dabom]

melo and poor can't even make the playoffs. :lol

[CGD]

Heading into this week my hunch is:

- BOS and IND get a deal in place for George, with BOS being very confident they have a good shot at Hayward as a result.

- CLE turns focus toward Carmelo. They tell NYC they have their pick of Love or LMA (assuming SAS stays motivated to sell and are willing to take Love for CLE).

- SAS turns attention to PHX to see if they can offload LaMarcus.

- DEN emerges as favorite to sign Blake as FA and their interest in Love wanes.

[gambit1990]

cleveland should be hearing out offers for kyrie.

[Mr. Body]

Heading into this week my hunch is:

- BOS and IND get a deal in place for George, with BOS being very confident they have a good shot at Hayward as a result.

- CLE turns focus toward Carmelo. They tell NYC they have their pick of Love or LMA (assuming SAS stays motivated to sell and are willing to take Love for CLE).

- SAS turns attention to PHX to see if they can offload LaMarcus.

- DEN emerges as favorite to sign Blake as FA and their interest in Love wanes.

Wow, those are... Well, the only one I think is right is number three.

[TimDunkem]

Actually, a lot of NBA insiders think that first scenario is becoming increasingly likely...Not sure how they get the cap numbers to work though.

[CGD]

Actually, a lot of NBA insiders think that first scenario is becoming increasingly likely...Not sure how they get the cap numbers to work though.

Boston has the assets to make it work, Angie just needs to stop being a cheap bastard. In fairness, BOS also probably wants to see want happens with Hayward first. It's a bit of a chicken and egg thing.

If that happens, CLE will have to scramble to figure out a Plan B that makes Lebron happy.

[Mr. Body]

If they get PG and Hayward they'd have to dump Horford or Thomas and would still have destroyed their salary structure and I think killed their viability going forward.

[cjw]

Boston has the assets to make it work, Angie just needs to stop being a cheap bastard. In fairness, BOS also probably wants to see want happens with Hayward first. It's a bit of a chicken and egg thing.

If that happens, CLE will have to scramble to figure out a Plan B that makes Lebron happy.

I don't blame him one bit. He will have max cap space - they can cut Zeller before 7/2 and pay him nothing and should see what they get with it first. Will then come at any deals from a strong negotiating position - could run it with the FA upgrade and not do a trade, and their assets are all the sudden more valuable because they don't have to dump them.

Should they need two max slots in FA, there will be plenty of suitors for Bradley, Crowder and Smart. Those guys alone should be enough though it does gut their depth.

[CGD]

If they get PG and Hayward they'd have to dump Horford or Thomas and would still have destroyed their salary structure and I think killed their viability going forward.

I think Boston is more than happy to trade Bradly, Crowder, jerebko, and a few picks to match salaries for George. Even with that they have more than enough caproom to sign Hayward this year.

Thomas, incredibly, only makes 6M next year, and should they opt to keep him next summer they'll have full Bird rights to do so. Oh, and they have a shit ton of future picks left to round out the roster in future years.

For BOS it's all about Angie. When does he turn from asset hoarder to legit team builder?

[ace3g]

Stein adds that the team (Nuggets) is also interested in jumping into the sweepstakes for two of this offseason's premier free agents: Blake Griffin (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/1685213/blake-griffin) and Paul Millsap (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/1113167/paul-millsap). Here's more on that, via ESPN: (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19735485/cleveland-cavaliers-continue-pursuit-paul-george-leading-contender-land-carmelo-anthony)



Sources say the Nuggets, meanwhile, have made upgrading at power forward one of their offseason priorities, which is why they covet Love.
Denver, according to sources, also hopes to crash the list of suitors for Los Angeles Clippers (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/LAC/l-a-clippers-clippers) unrestricted free agent Blake Griffin and Atlanta Hawks (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/page/ATL/atlanta-hawks) unrestricted free agent Paul Millsap.‎

[gospursgojas]

Just trade LMA for Bledsoe and be over with LMA and the CP3 sweepstakes all together.

[CGD]

Completely forgot about Milsap. He would be the best fit next to Jokic, honestly. Then Blake. Jokic and Love would be terrible on D.

[TimDunkem]

Banana boat team incoming.
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[noles1983]

Banana boat team incoming.
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Todays if you cant beat them join them NBA

[CGD]

Just do this and be over with LMA and CP3 sweepstakes

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h9x9yg7

The best options we're gonna get are probably:

1. Misfit Musical Chairs: Melo to CLE, Love to SAS, and LMA to NYC. Hope is we can rehab Loves value and flip him down the line.

2. LMA to PHX: probably have to take back Knights deal but might be able to get Bender.

3. LMA to MIA: they'd have an underwhelming offer but they did go after him in 2015. At a minimum we'd need to get back Winslow, Adebayo (who was just drafted), and some future asset.

[TimDunkem]

1 or 3 please. At least Bam can throw it down near the basket and competes on the boards. :lol

[palangi]

The best options we're gonna get are probably:

1. Misfit Musical Chairs: Melo to CLE, Love to SAS, and LMA to NYC. Hope is we can rehab Loves value and flip him down the line.

2. LMA to PHX: probably have to take back Knights deal but might be able to get Bender.

3. LMA to MIA: they'd have an underwhelming offer but they did go after him in 2015. At a minimum we'd need to get back Winslow, Adebayo (who was just drafted), and some future asset.

I'd take knight if we got bender. He could possibly play well as our #2 PG and build trade value.

[palangi]

1 or 3 please. At least Bam can throw it down near the basket and competes on the boards. :lol

I wouldn't mid 3. But hell no to 1.please no love

[Jdspur20]

Banana boat team incoming.
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How can the cavs afford to sign both of them?

[CGD]

How can the cavs afford to sign both of them?

Agree.

CLE in a tough spot: need to make James happy, but they're tax situation is tough. I suspect if they bring in one of those guys they'd also like to see salaries go out too.

[TimDunkem]

If they're bought out, I'd assume they take the minimum or split whatever Cleveland has to offer.

[mo7888]

The best options we're gonna get are probably:

1. Misfit Musical Chairs: Melo to CLE, Love to SAS, and LMA to NYC. Hope is we can rehab Loves value and flip him down the line.

2. LMA to PHX: probably have to take back Knights deal but might be able to get Bender.

3. LMA to MIA: they'd have an underwhelming offer but they did go after him in 2015. At a minimum we'd need to get back Winslow, Adebayo (who was just drafted), and some future asset.

I'd prefer #2 or #3

[BillMc]

Todays if you cant beat them join them NBA
Sad but true

[gambit1990]

not making excuses for lma but i too think he has not been utilized spectacularly.

tony (and pop) have been in the way of kawhi and la establishing a two man game.

tony made shots in these past playoffs but... the left is la with tony and the right is la without tony:
https://image.ibb.co/k8Gg8Q/zz.png

and la had 28 & 8 in game 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjtXZKfy73g

kawhi's injury rendered everything moot and (obviously) broke the spurs' back.

[raybies]

there isnt alot of interest right now with more superior options available but just wait for the free agent market to dry up and when teams miss out and look at what's left and start talking themselves into the positives of LMA. When your desperate it's easier to spin things differently.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania) 2m (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/879183093969584128)
Sources: Brooklyn plans to decline team option on guard K.J. McDaniels, making him an unrestricted free agent.

[raybies]

Boston has assets and can upgrade the four. They'd do it for cheap though and not give much.

Charlotte might be interested and could use an upgrade at four. I mean they traded for Dwight. They don't have the assets though. Maybe a first protected with a MKG or maybe Kaminsky or Zeller combo.

Denver has assets but we'd have to wait to see if they can get Griffin, Millsap, or Love first. They are rumored to be shopping Mudiay, Faried, and Chandler. Maybe throw in a Gary Harris or Malik Beasley as well. I don't think they would throw a first in. But might be the best haul.

Detroit Pistons could be another but they'd likely want to add Jackson's contract to it. No firsts. Not a great haul.

Miami has few assets so it wouldn't be a great haul. Maybe Winslow and another player.

Minnesota unlikely and wouldn't give much.

New York not giving up Porzingis.

Orlando might but it doesn't make too much sense. Maybe Gordon and Hezonja.

Phoenix has assets but do they really want to give some up for Aldridge. Makes some sense on our side but does Aldridge still want to go there.

Portland.

Toronto has assets and a need at the four if Ibaka leaves. Probably want Demarre Carrol attached with a young prospect.

[spurraider21]

not making excuses for lma but
:lmao

[gambit1990]

:lmao
those stats are objective.

i'm fine with cutting him loose. but tp should go first. cp3 would raise la's play.

[gospursgojas]

not making excuses for lma but i too think he has not been utilized spectacularly.

tony (and pop) have been in the way of kawhi and la establishing a two man game.

tony made shots in these past playoffs but... the left is la with tony and the right is la without tony:
https://image.ibb.co/k8Gg8Q/zz.png

and la had 28 & 8 in game 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjtXZKfy73g

kawhi's injury rendered everything moot and (obviously) broke the spurs' back.

This graphic is dated. He averaged 19 after Tony went out. Only a 8 game sample and in 2 of those 8 games he scored EIGHT freakin points.... one of those times being in a close out game.

Tony has nothing to do with LMA's inability to back down defenders like James Harden and Ryan Anderson.

[TimDunkem]

Can he consistently post anyone up? I can't remember a time where he scored on consecutive possessions posting up. It happens so rarely. :lol

[gambit1990]

This graphic is dated. He averaged 19 after Tony went out.
the graphic is not dated, it is la after tony was out and before kawhi was out.

like i said:

kawhi's injury rendered everything moot and (obviously) broke the spurs' back.



Tony has nothing to do with LMA's inability to back down defenders like James Harden and Ryan Anderson.
i do not disagree with that.

[gambit1990]

Livio and Tim count against the cap. That's why stretching Parker is a tricky proposition.

Duncan and Livio both count against the cap. Also have to add the 1st round pick unless traded, Milutinov's cap hold unless they're not signing him again and the roster charges for empty roster spots.
ugh.


Why is George Hill unreliable? If you are talking about health, I think Livingston would be a higher risk. Don't get me wrong, I like Livingston a lot (and AI, too). It would be pathetic, though, to see the Spurs make a run at a GS guy and get snubbed.
he just isn't reliable on the court.

not a great passer, not a great shooter. he's good at disappearing.

[raybies]

Man news is so slow right now. I expect things to vamp up in a few days. Trade deadline and Draft day is so exciting that after it's like a crash. Left wanting more and nothing.

[hooperflash]

Man news is so slow right now. I expect things to vamp up in a few days. Trade deadline and Draft day is so exciting that after it's like a crash. Left wanting more and nothing.

Yeah, repeatedly reported stuff ... crappy logos , blah blah blah.

[SAGirl]

Question, if it was between keeping Simmons at 10 mil or signing Livingston for the same amount, what would you do?
I like both but JSimms is already a Spur, is younger (no bad injuries either) and I think unless the money is exorbitant he will be back. Frankly, much as ppl think I don't like Jsimms, I like him enough that I'd like him back if the contract is reasonable.

[raybies]

Yeah, repeatedly reported stuff ... crappy logos , blah blah blah.
lol how long can you spin the same story it's ridiculous. At least we got this award show tomorrow. I expect Thursday the rumor mill should fire up again for free agency, then Friday night at midnight we got the meetings. I think I'm just gonna watch that Big3 tomorrow too. But Tuesday and Wednesday might get boring.

[raybies]

I like both but JSimms is already a Spur, is younger (no bad injuries either) and I think unless the money is exorbitant he will be back. Frankly, much as ppl think I don't like Jsimms, I like him enough that I'd like him back if the contract is reasonable.

yeah 12 per sounds about right. so 8 the first two years and 14 the next two years. I think it's more Green or Simmons who would you choose than, Livingston or Simmons. And Simmons hands down for the same price would be the choice. I don't think it's close.

[gambit1990]

Question, if it was between keeping Simmons at 10 mil or signing Livingston for the same amount, what would you do?
tough question :tu

depends on the amount of years.

[gambit1990]

give me livingston + simmons instead of simmons or livgingston + parker, EASILY.

[Ice009]

David Pick @IAmDPick
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Source: Euroleague star Chris Singleton had sit down interviews with two NBA teams. He's poised to opt-out of his deal with Panathinaikos.

Isn't this a guy that fans here at Spurstalk wanted in that draft over Kawhi? Didn't some people here say he'd be a better player?

[TimDunkem]

^You would be correct. :lol

[Ice009]

^You would be correct. :lol

I thought it was him. I think people mentioned something about him being a better defender too. lol.

I don't even remember seeing this guy play much in the NBA. Did he play much? I don't recall seeing him when the Spurs played against whatever team he was on (was it Washington?).

How is he now, though? Is he any good? Anyone know if he's improved much since he was last in the NBA?

[Nathan89]

Singleton looks very good on paper coming out of college. I never weighed in on either side but I don't think that is unreasonable. He had more steals and blocks than Kawhi in college too so that's probably why they were high on his defense.

[TimDunkem]

Yeah, too be fair he had the tools. He just couldn't shoot at the time and his ball IQ was lacking. Seems like Europe did him good.

[Mr. Body]

I think Boston is more than happy to trade Bradly, Crowder, jerebko, and a few picks to match salaries for George. Even with that they have more than enough caproom to sign Hayward this year.

Thomas, incredibly, only makes 6M next year, and should they opt to keep him next summer they'll have full Bird rights to do so. Oh, and they have a shit ton of future picks left to round out the roster in future years.

For BOS it's all about Angie. When does he turn from asset hoarder to legit team builder?

Yeah, if they do Hayward, George, Horford, reup Thomas then they're in total cap hell for the forseeable future and have to remake the role players. Plus they're not guaranteed to even have one top 5 player much less a top 10. They're welcome to try.

[NickiRasgo]

Isn't this a guy that fans here at Spurstalk wanted in that draft over Kawhi? Didn't some people here say he'd be a better player?

Along with Jordan Hamilton.

[objective]

I was interested in Singleton that year because I thought he could be in a range of a pick that George Hill could get in a trade, like late teens or early 20s. So on draft night i was hoping to get him. I never bothered looking at Kawhi that draft because he was expected to go in the lottery, I thought he'd go to Washington or Sacramento like so many mocks had him so I only paid attention to players in a range I thought gettable.

Singleton had 2 big problems.

First, for being a good defensive sf, he also gained 20 pounds after his final college season. That extra bulk slowed him down, he just wasn't quick enough to defend on the perimeter.

Second, he turned out to be a rather dim guy. During his rookie year in Washington, there was a big Mega Millions and he spent 10k on tickets. His take him that year was easily under a million but he did it justifying it by saying he would have just spent it in the club anyway.

[CGD]

Yeah, if they do Hayward, George, Horford, reup Thomas then they're in total cap hell for the forseeable future and have to remake the role players. Plus they're not guaranteed to even have one top 5 player much less a top 10. They're welcome to try.

That's a solid team, and probably worth using your cap on for the next 3 years (when Hartford comes off). Plus they still have an army of picks over the next three years.

I'd be happy if that were the Spurs situation, tbh.

[SpursFan86]

not making excuses for lma but i too think he has not been utilized spectacularly.

tony (and pop) have been in the way of kawhi and la establishing a two man game.

tony made shots in these past playoffs but... the left is la with tony and the right is la without tony:
https://image.ibb.co/k8Gg8Q/zz.png

and la had 28 & 8 in game 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjtXZKfy73g

kawhi's injury rendered everything moot and (obviously) broke the spurs' back.

Pretty sure that LA's stats with Tony have been far better than LA's stats without Tony throughout his time in SA :lol Can't be bothered to look up the numbers right now, but I know they've been posted around here before. Aldridge's numbers are noticeably better while playing with Parker.

[sasaint]

I was interested in Singleton that year because I thought he could be in a range of a pick that George Hill could get in a trade, like late teens or early 20s. So on draft night i was hoping to get him. I never bothered looking at Kawhi that draft because he was expected to go in the lottery, I thought he'd go to Washington or Sacramento like so many mocks had him so I only paid attention to players in a range I thought gettable.

Singleton had 2 big problems.

First, for being a good defensive sf, he also gained 20 pounds after his final college season. That extra bulk slowed him down, he just wasn't quick enough to defend on the perimeter.

Second, he turned out to be a rather dim guy. During his rookie year in Washington, there was a big Mega Millions and he spent 10k on tickets. His take him that year was easily under a million but he did it justifying it by saying he would have just spent it in the club anyway.

Got one of those guys already who we are trying to trade.

[DPG21920]

Would anyone do Faried for LMA (opens up some cap room since Faried makes less) if it meant getting Jamal Murray?

[TimDunkem]

I'd do it.

[GSH]

LOL... a HoopsHype offseason guide to Jonathan Simmons. Spurs should either dump him, or pay him big bucks.

http://hoopshype.com/2017/06/25/free-agent-look-jonathon-simmons/



One a more serious note - they have a pretty good summary of all the recent transactions. I had been looking for them in one place, and couldn't seem to find it.

http://hoopshype.com/2016/07/03/nba-transactions-all-the-moves-of-the-2016-17-season/

[picnroll]

Would anyone do Faried for LMA (opens up some cap room since Faried makes less) if it meant getting Jamal Murray?

In a heartbeat but zero chance Denver's Trading Murray .

[Kurik]

Would anyone do Faried for LMA (opens up some cap room since Faried makes less) if it meant getting Jamal Murray?

No way Denver gets rid of Murray.

[Mal]

In a heartbeat but zero chance Denver's Trading Murray .

He's tradeable, but not for Aldridge. Straight up, could work. Denver needs upgrade, Spurs need salary relief.

I have no clue, how Faried plays against GSW. How can he guard ? Iggy/Green ?

[picnroll]

Murray's is probably valued as their second best player by the Nuggets after Jokic. Tradeable but expensive, especially on a rookie contract..

[MaNu4Tres]

Would anyone do Faried for LMA (opens up some cap room since Faried makes less) if it meant getting Jamal Murray?

Spurs will probably wait out FA first before trading LA for salary. Targeting Ibaka and Blake. If they can get Ibaka to commit, I'd love to see LA traded for Wilson Chandler and a pick. I'd prefer Wilson over Faried, as he's more versatile on both ends of the floor and he'll be able to stay on the floor against the Warriors.

A Ibaka, Chandler, Kawhi, Simmons or Green, Murray line up would be better than any lineup Spurs could have put on the floor last year vs. Golden State.

[Mal]

Murray's is probably valued as their second best player by the Nuggets after Jokic. Tradeable but expensive, especially on a rookie contract..

Gary Harris looks like their future starting SG.

[TimDunkem]

Murray is a combo guard.

[MaNu4Tres]

Gary Harris looks like their future starting SG.

Denver isn't giving up Harris or Murray as part of a deal for 1 yr rental of LA.

[Mal]

Denver isn't giving up Harris or Murray as part of a deal for 1 yr rental of LA.

Never said they were. But Murray is tradeable.

[MaNu4Tres]

Never said they were. But Murray is tradeable.

I don't think they'd include Jamal in any deal for LA, unless they were dumb.

[Mal]

I don't think they'd include Jamal in any deal for LA, unless they were dumb.

Apperantly he was in deals for Kevin Love, Love is 3 years younger, 1 year longer deal, but more injuries in the past, more mileage in last seasons.

[sasaint]

No way Denver gets rid of Murray.

I wish! But I'd offer to trade LMA and next year's #1 for Faried and Murry. I'd probably be happy with LMA and the pick for Faried and Chandler.

[SAGirl]

LOL... a HoopsHype offseason guide to Jonathan Simmons. Spurs should either dump him, or pay him big bucks.

http://hoopshype.com/2017/06/25/free-agent-look-jonathon-simmons/



One a more serious note - they have a pretty good summary of all the recent transactions. I had been looking for them in one place, and couldn't seem to find it.

http://hoopshype.com/2016/07/03/nba-transactions-all-the-moves-of-the-2016-17-season/
Thanks for sharing... I am hopeful that JSimms weaknesses keep him from a superlative contract that takes him out of the Spurs. The past couple of seasons, many swingmen who can defend have been overpaid relative to production and in retrospect many have ended up in albatrosses. (Spurs got lucky with Danny that he did not end up in one such albatross). I think if he's in a reasonable contract he will be back, but Spurs know his true worth... if some team wants to pay him like a star he's unfortunately going to be gone.. BUT good for him. I said while he was in a shooting slump through the season that he still had time to get that contract if he showed up in the playoffs and that he did. :toast I hope Spurs can reach a medium ground with him.

[BatManu20]

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[SAGirl]

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good landing spot for Mills...

[mo7888]

Would anyone do Faried for LMA (opens up some cap room since Faried makes less) if it meant getting Jamal Murray?

Like others have said, Denver isn't trading Murray but, I do think they are a potential landing spot if we and they strike out early in our FA goals. I could see LMA going there for a package including Hermangomez, Beasley and either Chandler or a S&T Galinari.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I was interested in Singleton that year because I thought he could be in a range of a pick that George Hill could get in a trade, like late teens or early 20s. So on draft night i was hoping to get him. I never bothered looking at Kawhi that draft because he was expected to go in the lottery, I thought he'd go to Washington or Sacramento like so many mocks had him so I only paid attention to players in a range I thought gettable.

Singleton had 2 big problems.

First, for being a good defensive sf, he also gained 20 pounds after his final college season. That extra bulk slowed him down, he just wasn't quick enough to defend on the perimeter.

Second, he turned out to be a rather dim guy. During his rookie year in Washington, there was a big Mega Millions and he spent 10k on tickets. His take him that year was easily under a million but he did it justifying it by saying he would have just spent it in the club anyway.

He has had a great year in Greece. Played the 5, but defended all 5 positions. His 3 point shooting improved to 46%. He led his team in scoring, rebounding, steals and blocks. Won Euro Player of the Month for March. Who knows, maybe being exiled to Greece has helped him to "Get over himself".

[sasaint]

Like others have said, Denver isn't trading Murray but, I do think they are a potential landing spot if we and they strike out early in our FA goals. I could see LMA going there for a package including Hermangomez, Beasley and either Chandler or a S&T Galinari.

If We got either of those alternative packages, I would be elated. Faried is really the guy I would aim for, as he and LMA would be an odd fit, anyway.

[tbdog]

Like others have said, Denver isn't trading Murray but, I do think they are a potential landing spot if we and they strike out early in our FA goals. I could see LMA going there for a package including Hermangomez, Beasley and either Chandler or a S&T Galinari.

S&T galinari tbh. Get Taj Gibson. Resign Simmons. Get something for Green. Sign a token center. Just run with Murray/White/Manu at point. Have another crack at 18 free agency.

[r0drig0lac]

879360696571404288

Wolves should try to sign Lowry and Milsap to go with Wiggins / Butler / Towns

[LittleCriminal]

Spurs need to dump Frente GrAnderson...
Hopefully he gets traded with Aldridge.

[Nathan89]

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[tonight...you]

Spurs need to dump Frente GrAnderson...
Hopefully he gets traded with Aldridge.
Why?

[TimDunkem]

Not like Fathead would sweeten a deal for Aldridge anyway. :lol

[Emperor]

Spurs need to dump Frente GrAnderson...
Hopefully he gets traded with Aldridge.

Can't ship off one of the very few guys who atleast went down fighting against the Warriors in an elimination game.

[tonight...you]

Not like Fathead would sweeten a deal for Aldridge anyway. :lol
Yeah... I guess he/she likes to just think with his/her emotionz. Kid's cheap, nobody is probably going to want him and he isn't a cancer and is taking baby steps of improvement, albeit slowly... must be a theme with him. But they don't NEED to get rid of him.

[SAGirl]

I don't care about Rubio, but damn... look at this chart for short point guards:

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[Joseph Kony]

interesting graph, how exactly is "percentage of peak performance" measured/quantified?

[Snaq O'Meal]

879444861996412928

Wolves are having a great offseason, thanks to a proactive front office. One of the few franchises to look out for in the future.

[SAGirl]

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[CGD]

I don't care about Rubio, but damn... look at this chart for short point guards:

879026798247518208

Two years if rubio at 14m or 15/3 for patty?

[TimDunkem]

Neither. But I'll take Rubio over Mills if I had to choose.

[look_at_g_shred]

Ekpe Udoh?

[GSH]

OF course that graph measures "Percentage of peak performance". Do you know what that is? I sure as hell don't.

Does it include all PG's, including the well-known bench scrubs? Because there are a hell of a lot more of them, probably the vast majority are short, and I'm sure they decline faster than the good ones. You have to know what the graph is measuring before you believe it means anything.



I don't care about Rubio, but damn... look at this chart for short point guards:

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[tonight...you]

OF course that graph measures "Percentage of peak performance". Do you know what that is? I sure as hell don't.

Does it include all PG's, including the well-known bench scrubs? Because there are a hell of a lot more of them, probably the vast majority are short, and I'm sure they decline faster than the good ones. You have to know what the graph is measuring before you believe it means anything.
Everyone should listen and study the words and graphs of the one they call poop_hat.

[TimDunkem]

^Even though he clearly credited Kevin Pelton for the graph...

[GSH]

Everyone should listen and study the words and graphs of the one they call poop_hat.

:lol

[GSH]

^Even though he clearly credited Kevin Pelton for the graph...


I don't care who created it. I don't know what the fuck it measures, or who. I'm sure not taking it as "proof" that PG's age worse, just because they are short. Maybe it's true, but that graph doesn't tell me anything.

[TimDunkem]

Okay? I didn't question you or agree with the graph. :lol

[GSH]

Okay? I didn't question you or agree with the graph. :lol

LOL. I'm not pissed at you. Just saying, it's a meaningless graph... even if it is endorsed by Poop Hat. :lol

[tonight...you]

LOL. I'm not pissed at you. Just saying, it's a meaningless graph... even if it is endorsed by Poop Hat. :lol

HAHAHAHA HAAA! Let us all revere poop_hat!



Almost as reliable as Tspence, but he's got a ways to go there.

[dabom]

Superstars age different. CP3 is not an average pg.

[tonight...you]

Superstars age different. CP3 is not an average pg.
Thank you Captain Obvious. We need you to defend the right and righteous against the ignorance that plagues the world.
My girl is sowing a suit for you as we type. Extra space in the crotch area. We know your game...

[ducks]

cp3 is not average but he will age the question is how fast
Duncan aged well will cp3 ?

[dabom]

Thank you Captain Obvious. We need you to defend the right and righteous against the ignorance that plagues the world.
My girl is sowing a suit for you as we type. Extra space in the crotch area. We know your game...
:lol

[tonight...you]

:lol
Peg leg, smell like Medellin, wake in the night, make a pipe out of anything. Take 5, take a dive in the cellophane. We turn 5 into to 5, 6, 7, 8.
Back out, Black out some wear fancy, shake in the backseat out of Aesop's Camry.
Seat full of chips and sandwich meat from the crypt in the end. If you give an address and a rib- don't pissed by the Mystery Fish.
Just picture shrimp on a pillow of grits.
Close your eyes. Lick your lips.

[ace3g]

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[ace3g]

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The Hawks have officially extended a qualifying offer to Tim Hardaway Jr. making him a restricted free agent.

[look_at_g_shred]

Damn Hardaway would be a nice Simmons replacement

[TimDunkem]

He'll want too much money too.

[rastaspur]

Everyone should listen and study the words and graphs of the one they call poop_hat.

:lol

[LittleCriminal]

I wonder if Detroit would consider Aldridge for Drummond?
Or if Memphis would consider Aldridge/scrubs for M. Gasol?
Or if Okc would consider Aldridge for Kanter?

Any armchair GM takes on this?

[cjw]

I wonder if Detroit would consider Aldridge for Drummond?
Or if Memphis would consider Aldridge/scrubs for M. Gasol?
Or if Okc would consider Aldridge for Kanter?

Any armchair GM takes on this?

Explain to me what Drummond does better than even Dedmon besides empty stat rebounding? Dedmon's defensive stats were near the top of the league while Drummond's were atrocious, and he can't stay on the floor because of foul shooting.

Strong no on Drummond.

[SAGirl]

OF course that graph measures "Percentage of peak performance". Do you know what that is? I sure as hell don't.

Does it include all PG's, including the well-known bench scrubs? Because there are a hell of a lot more of them, probably the vast majority are short, and I'm sure they decline faster than the good ones. You have to know what the graph is measuring before you believe it means anything.

It's not my graph and I am sure I don't know how he calculates percentage of peak performance, nor do I care since I am not a math wiz... but it does confirm visually that after a certain age, short PG decline a hell of a lot faster and get worse than the taller guys... simplistic yes? is it a lie? no. peak performance: common language definition as a guy's best years.

[SAGirl]

Damn Hardaway would be a nice Simmons replacement

Better shooter and a younger player... I think he's getting paid.

[GSH]

It's not my graph and I am sure I don't know how he calculates percentage of peak performance, nor do I care since I am not a math wiz... but it does confirm visually that after a certain age, short PG decline a hell of a lot faster and get worse than the taller guys... simplistic yes? is it a lie? no. peak performance: common language definition as a guy's best years.


This graph proves that CP3 will get eaten up here. That's what graphs do - prove things.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_f3dX6XTCWHY/R4KOWbm8QtI/AAAAAAAABVk/15H18HRuH70/s400/pacman.png


Sorry, but it doesn't confirm anything except that the graph says that short PG's decline faster.

https://tsanity.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/eye-catching-graph.jpg?w=584

[SAGirl]

Its a k.pelton graph... you can bring it up with him.
are you disputing short PG decline at a faster rate and sooner than the longer PGs... bc otherwise your sarcasm doesn't help any.

[Ice009]

He has had a great year in Greece. Played the 5, but defended all 5 positions. His 3 point shooting improved to 46%. He led his team in scoring, rebounding, steals and blocks. Won Euro Player of the Month for March. Who knows, maybe being exiled to Greece has helped him to "Get over himself".

Interesting. I'd be very interested in getting him on the team then, but what Objective said puts me off a bit. It doesn't sound like he has Spurs type of character (that doesn't put me off if his game has improved, but it probably puts the front office off).

[rastaspur]

This graph proves that CP3 will get eaten up here. That's what graphs do - prove things.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_f3dX6XTCWHY/R4KOWbm8QtI/AAAAAAAABVk/15H18HRuH70/s400/pacman.png


Sorry, but it doesn't confirm anything except that the graph says that short PG's decline faster.

https://tsanity.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/eye-catching-graph.jpg?w=584

The pac man chart is dope.

[GSH]

Its a k.pelton graph... you can bring it up with him.
are you disputing short PG decline at a faster rate and sooner than the longer PGs... bc otherwise your sarcasm doesn't help any.


LOL... you think THAT was sarcastic? I wasn't nearly as sarcastic as I probably should have been. Look, a graph doesn't "prove" anything to me, if I don't even know what the hell it's measuring or how.

If you're in a mood to be pissy tonight, go start an Anderson-worship thread and you'll get plenty of takers. I made a valid point that the graph doesn't prove anything unless it compares apples to apples. If you want to buy into it, party on.

But just for the record, you know who REALLY doesn't age well in professional sports? Guys who were second-rate to begin with. And I would just about bet that there have been a shitload of second-rate PG's who were short, whose performance curve was pretty short, and skew that graph. People start with an agenda and find the data that confirms it all the damn time. But I didn't say the graph was wrong - I said I don't know. But I'm not going to believe it's right blindly either.

[rastaspur]

Correlation in and of itself does not equate to causation.

Also, the term peak years for a point can be subjective as hell.

Someone might consider peak to be a chunker point guard who throw up 30 shots to get 25 points a game and averages 6 assists but has 3 turnovers a game.

The parameters of what defines a peak year is important if you are going to rely on the chart. What the masses seem to think is important and peak don't necessarily coincide with my thought process.

So a chart in and of itself is to be taken with a grain of salt unless the method of calculation is fleshed out and known.

[SAGirl]

LOL... you think THAT was sarcastic? I wasn't nearly as sarcastic as I probably should have been. Look, a graph doesn't "prove" anything to me, if I don't even know what the hell it's measuring or how.

If you're in a mood to be pissy tonight, go start an Anderson-worship thread and you'll get plenty of takers. I made a valid point that the graph doesn't prove anything unless it compares apples to apples. If you want to buy into it, party on.

But just for the record, you know who REALLY doesn't age well in professional sports? Guys who were second-rate to begin with. And I would just about bet that there have been a shitload of second-rate PG's who were short, whose performance curve was pretty short, and skew that graph. People start with an agenda and find the data that confirms it all the damn time. But I didn't say the graph was wrong - I said I don't know. But I'm not going to believe it's right blindly either.
It seems to me you are the one in the pissy mood...

I mean look at all that ^ you wrote there... a little bit of self exam is required right?

Look, I post it here for what it's worth. It's no my graph so it's not my business to argue about it. Ppl are free to take it for what it's worth or not... consider it a conversation starter... now you did start a conversation about how the graph doesn't mean anything and since its not my graph that is as far as we can go...
the rest is really pissy shit.

[rastaspur]

It seems to me you are the one in the pissy mood...

I mean look at all that ^ you wrote there... a little bit of self exam is required right?

Look, I post it here for what it's worth. It's no my graph so it's not my business to argue about it. Ppl are free to take it for what it's worth or not... consider it a conversation starter... now you did start a conversation about how the graph doesn't mean anything and since its not my graph that is as far as we can go...
the rest is really pissy shit.

Y'all are both coming off a little pissy. Hug it out, y'all.:makeout

[GSH]

Correlation in and of itself does not equate to causation.

Also, the term peak years for a point can be subjective as hell.

Someone might consider peak to be a chunker point guard who throw up 30 shots to get 25 points a game and averages 6 assists but has 3 turnovers a game.

The parameters of what defines a peak year is important if you are going to rely on the chart. What the masses seem to think is important and peak don't necessarily coincide with my thought process.

So a chart in and of itself is to be taken with a grain of salt unless the method of calculation is fleshed out and known.


Yep. All of that. Besides the fact that it shows that short PG's, on AVERAGE, are at their peak by the age of 23. How many good NBA players have reached their peak by 23? A lot of career scrubs are as good as they are ever going to get by 23, which means he probably lumped a bunch of guys in there who are meaningless for any trade discussion. And that doesn't take into account things like sample size. Were there a lot fewer tall PG's, most of whom were exceptional talents? Good chance there were.

Oh - and maybe the fact that I would rather have a super-star PG at 80% than a shitty tall PG at 100%. But, hey... why stop to think about things like that.


It seems to me you are the one in the pissy mood...

I mean look at all that ^ you wrote there... a little bit of self exam is required right?

Look, I post it here for what it's worth. It's no my graph so it's not my business to argue about it. Ppl are free to take it for what it's worth or not... consider it a conversation starter... now you did start a conversation about how the graph doesn't mean anything and since its not my graph that is as far as we can go...
the rest is really pissy shit.


:lol Fuck off. I don't care what kind of plumbing you have, fuck off. You way overvalue your significance with all this.

[SAGirl]

Y'all are both coming off a little pissy. Hug it out, y'all.:makeout

:lol

I suppose he didn't comment any bc he doesn't credit the graph. His point is fair, but it's just not a conversation we can chat much about bc I am not about to go defending a graph that I didn't prepare.. the person who did the chart though could give the foundations for it etc, as well as answer questions about it. I suppose that is the end of the conversation. nowhere else we can go from there that is not sideways on some rant about something else... like how I can make worship threads lol :lmao (that was actually very funny actually... and sarcastic... )

[GSH]

Y'all are both coming off a little pissy. Hug it out, y'all.:makeout


Heh. I'll give the point to the Kyle Fan Club President. The graph proves that we should never sign a short PG over the age of 25. I don't even know where the dividing line is between short and tall, but who cares? Graph good. Me bad. :toast

[SAGirl]

:lol Fuck off. I don't care what kind of plumbing you have, fuck off. You way overvalue your significance with all this.

:lolI wanted to see what guys thought about the ultimate conclusion of the grapth... but I suppose if the foundations for the graph are unknown then it isn't worth it for you and that is fair. no need to say anything else.

(like all the rest that was said :td )

[Nathan89]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19525455/kevin-pelton-weekly-mailbag-including-point-guard-career-arcs

The article with the graph gives some more info. Like the heights of small vs big. Looks like WARP is used for peak. Also small sample size.

Not sure why you'd get worked up over this.

[raybies]

its the booze talkin really

[SAGirl]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19525455/kevin-pelton-weekly-mailbag-including-point-guard-career-arcs

The article with the graph gives some more info. Like the heights of small vs big. Also small sample size.

Not sure why you'd get worked up over this.

Thanks for sharing...

FWIW, and for whoever is interested:

The way I've studied this in the past is to look at ratio compared to peak winning percentage, the per-minute version of my wins above replacement player (WARP) metric. A few years ago, I put together a list of players who had played at least nine seasons and at least 10,000 minutes and ended their careers between 2005 and 2010.

That list had 21 players I labeled point guards. They divide rather evenly into 10 players 6-foot-2 or taller (the tall group) and 11 who were 6-foot-1 or shorter (the short group, and at 5-foot-9 I mean nothing disparaging by that). While those sample sizes are smaller (shorter) than ideal for this kind of study, the results are fascinating.

While the smaller point guards were for the most part effective immediately -- Brevin Knight (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/440/brevin-knight)'s best season was his rookie year at age 22, while Damon Stoudamire's came in year three at age 24 -- the larger guards generally took longer to develop. Rod Strickland (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/818/rod-strickland) peaked at age 29, Gary Payton (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/640/gary-payton) peaked at age 30, and Cassell did not reach his peak until age 34.
So as a group, the taller point guards didn't hit their peak until age 30, much later than the smaller point guards (age 26, a little younger than the typical age-27 peak across all positions). Every year after age 27, the taller point guards were relatively better, often substantially so.

[SAGirl]

Anyways, I got way sidetracked. What I was coming here to post was this... I am not sure if it was already posted elsewhere. I just happened to see the graph in twitter and I thougth it was interesting. But anyways, news on Tony.
879379081283817472

[SAGirl]

its the booze talkin really

:wakeup:whine

[raybies]

:downspin:

[marinoman]

Quick, everyone get naked!

[Chinook]

Kevin Pelton is such a chode. Most intellectually dishonest stat guy in the NBA mainstream.

[rastaspur]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19525455/kevin-pelton-weekly-mailbag-including-point-guard-career-arcs

The article with the graph gives some more info. Like the heights of small vs big. Looks like WARP is used for peak. Also small sample size.

Not sure why you'd get worked up over this.

Even when I'm worked up I'm not even worked up. Think chong. Not much bark to my bite.

Like sa girl said, it's not her chart. She takes alot of undeserved shit on here. I got no beef with her. She genuinely is a fan and not a troll and spends a decent bit of time trying to make a positive contribution to this site.

This site needs more sa girls and less douche bucket trolls.

Enough of that flattery and sweet talk though. I've earned some brownie points so show me your (sa girl) tits. ;)

[rastaspur]

Kevin Pelton is such a chode. Most intellectually dishonest stat guy in the NBA mainstream.

And that is why I take breakdowns like his with a grain of salt.

[SAGirl]

Even when I'm worked up I'm not even worked up. Think chong. Not much bark to my bite.

Like sa girl said, it's not her chart. She takes alot of undeserved shit on here. I got no beef with her. She genuinely is a fan and not a troll and spends a decent bit of time trying to make a positive contribution to this site.

This site needs more sa girls and less douche bucket trolls.

Enough of that flattery and sweet talk though. I've earned some brownie points so show me your (sa girl) tits. ;)

:lol I can't do that, but I send you a hypothetical brownie...

Bottom line maybe the chart doesn't mean diddly squat. and really no one cares about the point. I was interested though about his relating height/lack thereof to decline. I had never seen the point made that taller PG peak later though.

Looking at his sample size it was very small though... literally. I suppose just noise. ESPN guy after all.. they are all about making some noise. lol

[raybies]

This what I'm rooting for right now
Hill/Murray/Parker
Simmons/White/Hanga/Forbes
Leonard/Anderson/Blossomgame
Millsap/Bertans/
Milutinov/Lee/

[SAGirl]

This what I'm rooting for right now
Hill/Murray/Parker
Simmons/White/Hanga/Forbes
Leonard/Anderson/Blossomgame
Millsap/Bertans/
Milutinov/Lee/

Is it budget realistic?
I have no idea about these things.

[raybies]

Is it budget realistic?
I have no idea about these things.
dunno but its fun for me. before i posted i was gonna attempt to do it but i was like thats alot of work and im about to hit the hay

[SAGirl]

dunno but its fun for me. before i posted i was gonna attempt to do it but i was like thats alot of work and im about to hit the hay

g.night. lol

[raybies]

but it should be possible. with danny and lma and most the fas renounced besides Jsimms we were suppose to have about 40 mil. but we should have the bi annual and room exception on top of the cap space

[rastaspur]

:lol I can't do that, but I send you a hypothetical brownie...

Bottom line maybe the chart doesn't mean diddly squat. and really no one cares about the point. I was interested though about his relating height/lack thereof to decline. I had never seen the point made that taller PG peak later though.

Looking at his sample size it was very small though... literally. I suppose just noise. ESPN guy after all.. they are all about making some noise. lol

Peak this. Peak that. Can't a nigga just get a peak of those titties and call it a night?

Oh well. I will live to fight another day. Will just chip away at you until concede. Just gonna do it with laughter and jokes. It's an irresistible formula.

Sweet dreams, sa girl.

[DAF86]

This what I'm rooting for right now
Hill/Murray/Parker
Simmons/White/Hanga/Forbes
Leonard/Anderson/Blossomgame
Millsap/Bertans/
Milutinov/Lee/

Sorry son but I don't like that at all.

-Simmons is a journeyman with limited potential. If he is your starting SG you don't have a chance in hell of doing anything of worth. That's why the Spurs made that joke of a offer.
-Not only we don't know if White can be decent yet, but you also want to play him out of position. Much of his worth is being a taller than average PG, making him a smaller than average SG doesn't make sense.
-Anderson just doesn't cut it as the backup 3. He had the chance to prove himself for years now and he just hasn't been up to it. He can work as a backup 4 though.
-Lee as center. Just no.

[marinoman]

Why is green still here, one day of activity/reporting then a week break?

[SAGirl]

Why is green still here, one day of activity/reporting then a week break?

my suspicion with green... and this is Mamame Mim wild speculation ...
he was rumored to be up for trade with a high price. Spurs are not about to throw him in some fire sale (like unfortunately they may be forced to do with Aldridge). i think if they could have gotten in the lottery to trade for Porzingis or something of htat nature (like the porzinguis rumors that were around) or just turn Danny plus Aldridge into a signficant upgrade in overall talent and youth, they would have done it, but that didn't happen.. and now it depends on a FA agreeing to join the team and the Aldridge situation.

[raybies]

Sorry son but I don't like that at all.

-Simmons is a journeyman with limited potential. If he is your starting SG you don't have a chance in hell of doing anything of worth. That's why the Spurs made that joke of a offer.
-Not only we don't know if White can be decent yet, but you also want to play him out of position. Much of his worth is being a taller than average PG, making him a smaller than average SG doesn't make sense.
-Anderson just doesn't cut it as the backup 3. He had the chance to prove himself for years now and he just hasn't been up to it. He can work as a backup 4 though.
-Lee as center. Just no.

Simmons is a better all around player than Green. The thing i would be most concerned with actually is the fact he shrivels off the ball but in this scenario Hill isn't much of a playmaker so you could put Simmons in the pick and roll and he could be a playmaker something this lineup would be lacking. I think you underrate Simmons. When he has the ball in his hands, he's much better than playing off the ball. Also you worry about Hill and if he could still be worth it with less usage, which he can in my estimation, but you don't want him to revert to Indiana Hill, which was fine but not as good as Utah Hill who was a second option.

On topic about White, that is an overreaction imo. He'll be in position sharing Guard duties with Murray. What they lack in girth they can make up in length at the guard slots. There's not very many shooting guards in the league coming off the bench that can post up so they'd be fine most nights.

Anderson could play the three but I agree he'd be best as a power forward. I just thought in the above mentioned scenario that that unit needed spacing and you cant play Anderson and Bertans at the 4/5. And they are next on the pecking order so they both should be in. And Anderson could play the 3 on defense and the 4 on offense playing alongside Bertans.

Lee at center is much better than the crap available this offseason.

[raybies]

Wouldn't mind this lineup either. I'm starting to wonder about having so much turnover and remaining stable.

Murray/White/Forbes/Parker
Green/Simmons/Hanga
Leonard/Anderson/Blossomgame
Millsap/Bertans
Gasol/Milutinov

[mo7888]

Wouldn't mind this lineup either. I'm starting to wonder about having so much turnover and remaining stable.

Murray/White/Forbes/Parker
Green/Simmons/Hanga
Leonard/Anderson/Blossomgame
Millsap/Bertans
Gasol/Milutinov

If milsap's contract is 3 years I like it.

[sasaint]

This what I'm rooting for right now
Hill/Murray/Parker
Simmons/White/Hanga/Forbes
Leonard/Anderson/Blossomgame
Millsap/Bertans/
Milutinov/Lee/

I really don't want this lineup because I don't want the Spurs to invest heavily in two aging FAs. At the right price I prefer Hill to CP3, and that has almost as much to do with his familiarity with Pop as it does his play. After years of a big three not only on the court but as conduits/enforcers of Spurs culture in the locker room, if Danny and Manu (and Tony...?) all depart, we will have another serious culture drain one year after the GOAT departed. Consequently, I bet PATFO value Hill pretty highly.

But seeing your proposed depth chart makes me think that Bertans and Anderson are the PFs the team will go with.

I also rue the fact that Pop grew to despise Deadman. We need a big with his agility and defensive potential at all areas of the floor if our PFs are Davis and Kyle. Either that or make a decision on which skill set we prefer - Kyle's or Davis' and move the other for a tougher PF option. But contrary to your chart, neither Davis nor Kyle is a legitimate SF.

[Lostwingman]

I doubt we can afford Hill, not with LMA and Parkers contracts hanging on the Spurs neck.

[raybies]

I really don't want this lineup because I don't want the Spurs to invest heavily in two aging FAs. At the right price I prefer Hill to CP3, and that has almost as much to do with his familiarity with Pop as it does his play. After years of a big three not only on the court but as conduits/enforcers of Spurs culture in the locker room, if Danny and Manu (and Tony...?) all depart, we will have another serious culture drain one year after the GOAT departed. Consequently, I bet PATFO value Hill pretty highly.

But seeing your proposed depth chart makes me think that Bertans and Anderson are the PFs the team will go with.

I also rue the fact that Pop grew to despise Deadman. We need a big with his agility and defensive potential at all areas of the floor if our PFs are Davis and Kyle. Either that or make a decision on which skill set we prefer - Kyle's or Davis' and move the other for a tougher PF option. But contrary to your chart, neither Davis nor Kyle is a legitimate SF.

Yeah it's a tough proposition given the age of Hill and Millsap, but play the scenarios out. It doesn't look good out there, as far as fit and skill to price. I'm looking at Hill and Millsap as bargains for the right price but in fairness, unless Millsap decided he wants to go to best chance of winning mixed with best contract we don't really have a chance. Hill seems like a logical solution at point and should come at a bargain but you never know. Winning + $$$ we have a chance, but just $$$, we could only get one and I'm not sure they are worth it or anyone sans CP3 or Hayward...

As for Anderson and Bertans, you are right. They are both 4s but I think Anderson would be first in the pecking order due to time spent. PATFO really gonna have to pull a miracle out of their hat as far as bigs go. Maybe they see Milutinov and Gasol for centers which you would need one more.

Hill/Murray/Parker
Green/White/Hanga/Forbes
Leonard/Simmons/Blossomgame
Gasol/Anderson/Bertans
Dedmon/Milutinov

??? I mean what game are they playing. Is it by ear. Who'd you rather have Millsap or Hill for the same price? Either way with just one, I don't think that's enough help for Leonard, WCF or less.

I dunno, Free agency taking too long.

[sasaint]

Yeah it's a tough proposition given the age of Hill and Millsap, but play the scenarios out. It doesn't look good out there, as far as fit and skill to price. I'm looking at Hill and Millsap as bargains for the right price but in fairness, unless Millsap decided he wants to go to best chance of winning mixed with best contract we don't really have a chance. Hill seems like a logical solution at point and should come at a bargain but you never know. Winning + $$$ we have a chance, but just $$$, we could only get one and I'm not sure they are worth it or anyone sans CP3 or Hayward...

As for Anderson and Bertans, you are right. They are both 4s but I think Anderson would be first in the pecking order due to time spent. PATFO really gonna have to pull a miracle out of their hat as far as bigs go. Maybe they see Milutinov and Gasol for centers which you would need one more.

Hill/Murray/Parker
Green/White/Hanga/Forbes
Leonard/Simmons/Blossomgame
Gasol/Anderson/Bertans
Dedmon/Milutinov

??? I mean what game are they playing. Is it by ear. Who'd you rather have Millsap or Hill for the same price? Either way with just one, I don't think that's enough help for Leonard, WCF or less.

I dunno, Free agency taking too long.

For equal money, I would probably take Millsap. Our frontcourt is in shambles, and I have been an advocate of giving the keys to Murray since the middle of last season. Also, I cannot imagine Deadman returning - actually less imaginable than LMA returning.

[Ice009]

I really want to know what the Spurs are looking at doing. This wait until July 1st seems like such a long way away.

[sasaint]

I really want to know what the Spurs are looking at doing. This wait until July 1st seems like such a long way away.

Yep. The wait this off-season seems interminable.

[jermaine]

I really want to know what the Spurs are looking at doing. This wait until July 1st seems like such a long way away.

I 2nd this notion. Only reason I come to ST these days is to see LMA being traded. I'm not happy about Danny at all but O'well.

[marinoman]

http://sports.yahoo.com/sources-celtics-working-land-gordon-hayward-paul-george-181020436.html

Celtics working to get heyward and George

879766343867912193 (https://mobile.twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/879766343867912193)

[tbdog]

I called it ages ago. Although I thought it would have been Griffin and PG.

[NASpurs]

Don't know if old news but:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19751871/seven-teams-aim-pry-andre-iguodala-golden-state-warriors

Seven teams hope to sign Andre Iguodala away from Warriors




Andre Iguodala (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala) has become the foremost target in an attempt weaken the Golden State Warriors (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/gs/golden-state-warriors)' chokehold on the NBA, league sources have told ESPN.
The Minnesota Timberwolves (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/min/minnesota-timberwolves), San Antonio Spurs (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs), LA Clippers (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/la-clippers), Philadelphia 76ers (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/phi/philadelphia-76ers), Orlando Magic (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/orl/orlando-magic), Brooklyn Nets (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/bkn/brooklyn-nets) and Utah Jazz (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/utah/utah-jazz) are among the teams that are interested in the 2015 NBA Finals MVP, sources tell ESPN.

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ESPN's Marc Stein first reported that the Spurs are attempting to create salary-cap flexibility to pursue Chris Paul (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul) this summer and a combo acquisition of the Clippers' All-Star point guard and Iguodala has been discussed internally, sources say. The Spurs have made LaMarcus Aldridge (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2983/lamarcus-aldridge) and Danny Green (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3988/danny-green) available for trades, according to sources.

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[duncan2150]

http://sports.yahoo.com/sources-celtics-working-land-gordon-hayward-paul-george-181020436.html

Celtics working to get heyward and George

879766343867912193 (https://mobile.twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/879766343867912193)

they would have to give bradley and/or crowder and/or Smart because they can't keep everybody next year( in 2018/2019)

[dabom]

Dam MODs. rjv. The no-fun zone.

[TimDunkem]

they would have to give bradley and/or crowder and/or Smart because they can't keep everybody next year( in 2018/2019)
Okay? I'm sure they're fine with letting go of Crowder and Bradley for PG and Hayward. :lol

[SpursBig3s]

Don't know if old news but:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19751871/seven-teams-aim-pry-andre-iguodala-golden-state-warriors

Seven teams hope to sign Andre Iguodala away from Warriors


Would not suck. Iggy would be really nice here off the bench

[Spurs9]

Any chance we can deal LMA to jazz/clippers if that goes down?

[Nathan89]

Don't want to overpay Andre. Just hoping some other team like the 76ers goes all out for him.

[TD 21]

Spurs should target Millsap and Paul, with Hill as contingency plan.

If Nuggets, Kings or some other desperate team rumored interested in Millsap, offers something in $30M per range, then forget it. But if they're closer to $25M, if Spurs even got close, I suspect he'd pick them. Not only for chance to win, but he's Spurs material and would be hand in glove fit. Would also help with Paul recruitment.

3 team trade: to Hawks: Bender or Chriss, to Suns: Aldridge, to Spurs: Millsap. Could even turn it into a 4 teamer, with Bender or Chriss to Jazz and Favors to Hawks.

Bender or Chriss don't make much sense for win now Spurs, but if Spurs can't reach agreement with established starting PF, they should pursue 3 team trade, where Suns would still get Aldridge and Jazz would still get Bender or Chriss, but Spurs would get Favors (so long as medical staff is confident he regains previous form).

Then salary dump Green for an '18 1st to sign Paul. If Paul spurns them, then retain Green and turn to Hill. Hopefully, his market ends up being in $20M range. If it's closer to $25M and he's not willing to take less, then forget it.

[raybies]

Iggy off the bench lol We would be trading Danny and LMA to make space for him and CP3 like the article suggests. He'd start next to Leonard imo.

But shoot what about Hill and Iggy for the offseason.

Bobby Marks wrote in his 20 most valuable free agents that Hill figures to double his salary of 8 mill per and Iggy may fetch around 15 mill. Side note, he said Millsap should get a little more next year than what he got this year.

Hill/Murray/Forbes/Parker
Leonard/White/Hanga
Iggy/Simmons/Blossomgame
Anderson/Bertans
Gasol/Milutinov

Spacing might be an issue, so maybe Bertans could start eventually but if it means making GS weaker and us better, I'm for it.

[raybies]

Spurs should target Millsap and Paul, with Hill as contingency plan.

If Nuggets, Kings or some other desperate team rumored interested in Millsap, offers something in $30M per range, then forget it. But if they're closer to $25M, if Spurs even got close, I suspect he'd pick them. Not only for chance to win, but he's Spurs material and would be hand in glove fit. Would also help with Paul recruitment.

3 team trade: to Hawks: Bender or Chriss, to Suns: Aldridge, to Spurs: Millsap. Could even turn it into a 4 teamer, with Bender or Chriss to Jazz and Favors to Hawks.

Bender or Chriss don't make much sense for win now Spurs, but if Spurs can't reach agreement with established starting PF, they should pursue 3 team trade, where Suns would still get Aldridge and Jazz would still get Bender or Chriss, but Spurs would get Favors (so long as medical staff is confident he regains previous form).

Then salary dump Green for an '18 1st to sign Paul. If Paul spurns them, then retain Green and turn to Hill. Hopefully, his market ends up being in $20M range. If it's closer to $25M and he's not willing to take less, then forget it.
like it :thumbsup

[$pursDynasty]

TD21, to be honest while I was all for CP3 initially, I am warming more to PG13. I think he would do more for us against the Dubs and I like the idea of it being a rental. If it works perfectly, heck easy to convince someone to stay with the champ, if it goes badly it clears the cap for the following year's FA class. It will also force Pop to play Dijon more until hopefully MVParker returns. On my FA wish list in order would be KD or Chef (of course but impossible), then PG13, then Boogie, then CP3 then next tier players.

[duncan2150]

Okay? I'm sure they're fine with letting go of Crowder and Bradley for PG and Hayward. :lol

i'm not sure about bradley but i talk more about their cap flexibility if they take two max players.....

[Mal]

Hill/Murray/Forbes/Parker
Leonard/White/Hanga
Iggy/Simmons/Blossomgame
Anderson/Bertans
Gasol/Milutinov
.

So you've clearned salaries, signed UFA and ended up with Kyle Anderson as your starting power forward ? And why the fuck you want to spend 15 mil on Iggy ?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Iggy off the bench lol We would be trading Danny and LMA to make space for him and CP3 like the article suggests. He'd start next to Leonard imo.

But shoot what about Hill and Iggy for the offseason.

Bobby Marks wrote in his 20 most valuable free agents that Hill figures to double his salary of 8 mill per and Iggy may fetch around 15 mill. Side note, he said Millsap should get a little more next year than what he got this year.

Hill/Murray/Forbes/Parker
Leonard/White/Hanga
Iggy/Simmons/Blossomgame
Anderson/Bertans
Gasol/Milutinov

Spacing might be an issue, so maybe Bertans could start eventually but if it means making GS weaker and us better, I'm for it.

Any plan that involves Kyle Anderson starting should be wadded up, thrown in the dumpster, and set on fire.

Kyle Anderson isn't a starter in this league, and the Warriors would clown his sloth ass in every game until we had to bench him.

[raybies]

So you've clearned salaries, signed UFA and ended up with Kyle Anderson as your starting power forward ? And why the fuck you want to spend 15 mil on Iggy ?
cause he's easily worth that. Just because he plays off the bench in GS doesn't mean he's a bench player for the rest of the league and while his stats don't jump out at you, he performs when it counts. He's a more versatile defender than Danny and a better offensive option as well. Danny makes 10 mill per and was underpaid and you think AI isn't worth 15. get out dude

As for Anderson, why not? He's earned a shot at the four. Sure he doesn't have a name or anything but in the lineup as a facilitator and keep the ball moving, he could play a Draymond like role im.

Sorry i struck a nerve, I'm not a GM or anything, just presenting scenarios here. Who knows what the Spurs are thinking.

[raybies]

Any plan that involves Kyle Anderson starting should be wadded up, thrown in the dumpster, and set on fire.

Kyle Anderson isn't a starter in this league, and the Warriors would clown his sloth ass in every game until we had to bench him.
Well we all know where you stand with Kyle but a few of us thought he might have a chance to start with Aldridge back and now that he's gone, not now?

[jermaine]

Why do people want Paul so bad... All I hear is how bad of a leader he is... I remember he made it a point not to give Jordan a high five after giving everyone else one. That's not the qualities you want from a highly paid leader!!! But what do I know. I personally think the Spurs will go with G. Hill an I pray so. An then sign a vet.... losing Parker an Mills, that's two pg' s that knows the system. Ain't gonna happen. Pop is getting his "Yes Sir" boy back. He won't bump heads with Hill...

[TD 21]

Iggy off the bench lol We would be trading Danny and LMA to make space for him and CP3 like the article suggests. He'd start next to Leonard imo.

But shoot what about Hill and Iggy for the offseason.

Bobby Marks wrote in his 20 most valuable free agents that Hill figures to double his salary of 8 mill per and Iggy may fetch around 15 mill. Side note, he said Millsap should get a little more next year than what he got this year.

Hill/Murray/Forbes/Parker
Leonard/White/Hanga
Iggy/Simmons/Blossomgame
Anderson/Bertans
Gasol/Milutinov

Spacing might be an issue, so maybe Bertans could start eventually but if it means making GS weaker and us better, I'm for it.

I saw that. Second time he's suggested Hill gets about or at $16M per and don't know what he means by slight, but I take it to mean Millsap would get in $23-25M per range. Both are significantly less than what's been rumored, but if "all" it costs is about $40M per, Spurs should be all over that, if Paul declines.

Iguodala doesn't make much sense (one of "big 3" should be a big) and I can't see him leaving Warriors, but it'd be nice to drive price up and put brief scare into those entitled, smug pricks. All these mediocre and worse teams might not have capacity, but Spurs would.



TD21, to be honest while I was all for CP3 initially, I am warming more to PG13. I think he would do more for us against the Dubs and I like the idea of it being a rental. If it works perfectly, heck easy to convince someone to stay with the champ, if it goes badly it clears the cap for the following year's FA class. It will also force Pop to play Dijon more until hopefully MVParker returns. On my FA wish list in order would be KD or Chef (of course but impossible), then PG13, then Boogie, then CP3 then next tier players.

- '18 free agent class is weak. Sure, Cousins could be attainable, but I can't envision either side having interest. Spurs need to attempt to strike now and not waste a year of Leonard's prime.

- Murray would more than likely have to be piece in George trade and wouldn't be good fit next to two ball dominant wings anyway.

[rjv]

i wonder if sometimes someone from the spurs FO reads this site just for laughs.

[Snaq O'Meal]

i wonder if sometimes someone from the spurs FO reads this site just for laughs.

RC: "Watch me. I'll just sit pat again. That'll send that site into another yearly meltdown."

[SpursforSix]

i wonder if sometimes someone from the spurs FO reads this site just for laughs.

:pop: Never again. Some bitch on here talked me into keeping Anderson.

[raybies]

I saw that. Second time he's suggested Hill gets about or at $16M per and don't know what he means by slight, but I take it to mean Millsap would get in $23-25M per range. Both are significantly less than what's been rumored, but if "all" it costs is about $40M per, Spurs should be all over that, if Paul declines.

Iguodala doesn't make much sense (one of "big 3" should be a big) and I can't see him leaving Warriors, but it'd be nice to drive price up and put brief scare into those entitled, smug bastards. All these mediocre and worse teams might not do it, but Spurs could.




Yeah you could probably get Iggy and Millsap for 40 and roll with Murray at the point. That would increase the upside of the team. I'm not gonna argue over Paul, I'm just over that idea...

in this scenario
Murray/White/Parker
Leonard/Simmons(?)/Forbes/Hanga
Iggy/Anderson/Blossomgame
Millsap/Bertans
Gasol(?)/Milutinov

Could we afford Pau or Simmons in this scenario? Maybe Dedmon might be the same price as Gasol, then who'd you choose?

[raybies]

879796948022251520

[Emperor]

879796948022251520

Would rather use that 17mil for starting PF.

[buttsR4rebounding]

So if the Clippers realize that they are losing both Griffin and Paul (with Paul coming here) do you think they would be interested in a sign and trade for LMA? LMA is obviously a different player when he is the #1 option. That would be a real coup for the Spurs.

[buttsR4rebounding]

879796948022251520

I think I would rather have Green at 10 million than Iggy at 17.

[szkorhetz]

Fuck no for Iggy.

[TheGreatYacht]

879796948022251520
Would love this....

The $17M can be invested in someone younger though. Iggy looks just about done

[Jdspur20]

I don't see the Spurs giving Iggy 17 mil a year.

[look_at_g_shred]

17 mil a year is malpractice

[look_at_g_shred]

That's like 2 mil less than LMA right?

[NASpurs]

Reminds of that poster here who constantly wanted MCW.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19752372/chicago-bulls-make-qualifying-offer-michael-carter-williams

Bulls won't make qualifying offer to Michael Carter-Williams

[MaNu4Tres]

Id prefer Ibaka for that 17 million.

CP, Murray, White, Forbes
Simmons, Hanga, vet min
Kawhi, KA, Blossomgame
Terrence Jones or Patterson, Bertans, Lee
Ibaka, Pau

[sasaint]

Reminds of that poster here who constantly wanted MCW.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19752372/chicago-bulls-make-qualifying-offer-michael-carter-williams

Bulls won't make qualifying offer to Michael Carter-Williams

Kawhistorm's guy, MCW.

[RD2191]

I don't want any faggot warrior on the Spurs. Fuck iggy.

[Dex]

I don't see the Spurs giving Iggy 17 mil a year.

I agree that Iggy isn't worth $17M at this point, but if the Spurs are really interested, they must be willing to give him some kind of pay day. Dude is obviously looking for a big contract, otherwise he would have stayed in GSW where he was a fan favorite, Finals MVP, and could gravy train his way to another title.

[sasaint]

Id prefer Ibaka for that 17 million.

CP, Murray, White, Forbes
Simmons, Hanga, vet min
Kawhi, KA, Blossomgame
Terrence Jones or Patterson, Bertans, Lee
Ibaka, Pau

Ibaka was a guy I coveted before he became a grandfather.

[picnroll]

I think I would rather have Green at 10 million than Iggy at 17.
Taking Iggy from GS and adding him to the Spurs is greater than having Green while Iggy is still on GS. If Iggy goes somewhere else that's equally good.

Ideally trade Green and Aldridge for the cap space and some nice future picks and sign cP3 and either Iggy or another good player.

[noles1983]

Any plan that involves Kyle Anderson starting should be wadded up, thrown in the dumpster, and set on fire.

Kyle Anderson isn't a starter in this league, and the Warriors would clown his sloth ass in every game until we had to bench him.

https://media.giphy.com/media/114sM9YyEJlq80/giphy.gif

[MaNu4Tres]

Ibaka was a guy I coveted before he became a grandfather.

Name me a better option in FA thats more realistic.

[palangi]

Iggy off the bench lol We would be trading Danny and LMA to make space for him and CP3 like the article suggests. He'd start next to Leonard imo.

But shoot what about Hill and Iggy for the offseason.

Bobby Marks wrote in his 20 most valuable free agents that Hill figures to double his salary of 8 mill per and Iggy may fetch around 15 mill. Side note, he said Millsap should get a little more next year than what he got this year.

Hill/Murray/Forbes/Parker
Leonard/White/Hanga
Iggy/Simmons/Blossomgame
Anderson/Bertans
Gasol/Milutinov

Spacing might be an issue, so maybe Bertans could start eventually but if it means making GS weaker and us better, I'm for it.

I actually don't mind Anderson at the 4. I would rather have him than Millsap.

[TD 21]

Yeah you could probably get Iggy and Millsap for 40 and roll with Murray at the point. That would increase the upside of the team. I'm not gonna argue over Paul, I'm just over that idea...

in this scenario
Murray/White/Parker
Leonard/Simmons(?)/Forbes/Hanga
Iggy/Anderson/Blossomgame
Millsap/Bertans
Gasol(?)/Milutinov

Could we afford Pau or Simmons in this scenario? Maybe Dedmon might be the same price as Gasol, then who'd you choose?

Millsap would have to be sign and trade and he'd essentially take Aldridge's salary slot, with slight bump . . . so why trade Green? Also, minus him, team would have spacing issues, especially with Leonard essentially splitting PG duties with Murray.

Think Gasol could still be afforded. Haven't seen a single rumor on Milutinov signing and not that he'd break bank, but he is only bound by rookie scale for 1 more season. Splitter for minimum would make sense.

[Joseph Kony]

Iguodala is so overrated tbh, who the fuck is gonna pay 17 million 7.6/4 player? :lmao dude benefits so much from playing next to who he does, even more so than donkey imo. He is a solid player but i'm not sure i would take him over even Danny Green. anything above 8 million per is too much

[picnroll]

Name me a better option in FA thats more realistic.

Nerlens Noel, maybe Jamychal Green with a cheap sign at center. Granted doubt Dallas won't do what it takes to keep Noel.

[Joseph Kony]

though it would be nice for him to get off of GS as he is a good utility player that greatly benefits from the role he is in off the bench. i hope some other team throws ridiculous money at him

[MaNu4Tres]

Nerlens Noel, maybe Jamychal Green with a cheap sign at center.

Nerlens Noel is re-signing w/ Dallas. He's restricted -- Cuban is matching anything. JaMychal Green is restricted too -- not going anywhere. So wrong and wrong.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Well we all know where you stand with Kyle but a few of us thought he might have a chance to start with Aldridge back and now that he's gone, not now?

He'd have a chance if we gutted the front line and had no one else to put out there. But I don't know why it's so hard for people to realize he's too damn slow to play against the Warriors and Rockets, amongst others. And GS would just take our other options away and say "okay Kyle, if you can score enough to beat us, Spurs can go to the Finals."

Not sure why anyone would think that would be anything less than a massive failure on our end.

[picnroll]

Nerlens Noel is re-signing w/ Dallas. He's restricted -- Cuban is matching anything. JaMychal Green is restricted too -- not going anywhere. So wrong and wrong.

You're wrong. There's a limit to what Memphis will pay

[sasaint]

Name me a better option in FA thats more realistic.

I probably couldn't. I think we will have to look to fill our holes via trade for players not via salary dump for splashy FAs, anyway. In that case, I'd like to see us get a younger guy. raybies has been posting a few scenarios that seem more likely, even if I don't necessarily like them all that well.

[MaNu4Tres]

You're wrong. There's a limit to what Memphis will pay

So you'd overpay for JaMychal Green over Ibaka?

[Jdspur20]

What's the estimate on Ibakas price range?

[r0drig0lac]

Taking Iggy from GS and adding him to the Spurs is greater than having Green while Iggy is still on GS.

[duncan2150]

I don't like the Jamichal Green option as Anderson in the starting five.

[coachmac87]

Id prefer Ibaka for that 17 million.

CP, Murray, White, Forbes
Simmons, Hanga, vet min
Kawhi, KA, Blossomgame
Terrence Jones or Patterson, Bertans, Lee
Ibaka, Pau


Where's Parker?? Lol

[MaNu4Tres]

I probably couldn't. I think we will have to look to fill our holes via trade for players not via salary dump for splashy FAs, anyway. In that case, I'd like to see us get a younger guy. raybies has been posting a few scenarios that seem more likely, even if I don't necessarily like them all that well.

Lets say SA gets CP3 to commit and then they turn around and dump LA to PHX for Chriss or next yr protected 1st ( MIAs which they own).

Do you think there will be a team willing to give up a C/PF better than Ibaka in a trade for DG?

Lets

[MaNu4Tres]

Where's Parker?? Lol

I dont see how SA keeps Parker if they get CP3 to commit. They'll desperately need his money to help the front court w/ LA gone.

[picnroll]

So you'd overpay for JaMychal Green over Ibaka?
Depends on the price and what else could be gotten with what's left. Green would be fine as a PF small ball C against GS. I wouldn't want Ibaka on a long term expensive contract. Lot of speculation he's quite a bit older than his stated age.

[sasaint]

Lets say SA gets CP3 to commit and then they turn around and dump LA to PHX for Chriss or next yr protected 1st ( MIAs which they own).

Do you think there will be a team willing to give up a C/PF better than Ibaka in a trade for DG?

Lets

What's your opinion of Okafor?

[Chinook]

Want no part of JaMychal. What's with people trying to scrap shit from the bottom of the barrel today?

[MaNu4Tres]

What's your opinion of Okafor?

Hell no.

He's a poor mans Aldridge on O, but slower feet and bad defense. His skillset is exact opposite of what's needed in todays NBA.

[sasaint]

I dont see how SA keeps Parker if they get CP3 to commit. They'll desperately need his money to help the front court w/ LA gone.

The Parker situation is obviously the key to the level of retooling we will be able to afford, and I have my doubts that PATFO will do anything without his bona fide 100% blessing. I don't really believe that is happening.

[Snaq O'Meal]

I don't want any faggot warrior on the Spurs. Fuck iggy.

Klaynus would be a good fit. PATFO even wanted him over Kawhi in the 2011 draft.

[MaNu4Tres]

Depends on the price and what else could be gotten with what's left. Green would be fine as a PF small ball C against GS. I wouldn't want Ibaka on a long term expensive contract. Lot of speculation he's quite a bit older than his stated age.

Say he's 32 and not 27/28. I'd still prefer Ibaka at 32 for 3 more years instead of overpaying J. Green. It's not close.

[sasaint]

Hell no.

He's a poor mans Aldridge on O, but slower feet and bad defense. His skillset is exact opposite of what's needed in todays NBA.

Okay. I agree. Just throwing a name out there. How about Jamychal. His name is all over this thread. He's a PF. Can we get by with Pau and Milutinov at the 5?

Never mind. Just read above.

[Nathan89]

One of CP3, PG, or Blake is what is needed to really move the needle. They all have concerns: CP is old, PG might leave after a year, and Blake is injury prone.

[Snaq O'Meal]

Want no part of JaMychal. What's with people trying to scrap shit from the bottom of the barrel today?

Scraping shit from the bottom of the barrel has been PATFO's schtick for so long that it has become a tradition now.

[CGD]

I really hope Iggy gets a max deal or just goes else where. He looks done.

[Chinook]

Scraping shit from the bottom of the barrel has been PATFO's schtick for so long that it has become a tradition now.

And JaMychal was some shit that didn't stick. There are guys like him just waiting to be signed. Don't get the obsession with him.

[coachmac87]

I dont see how SA keeps Parker if they get CP3 to commit. They'll desperately need his money to help the front court w/ LA gone.

I hope you're right

[apalisoc_9]

Jamaycheal Green. I Just vomited.

If Millsap can be convinced to play for SA at a reduced price 21-22, I'd swap him for Aldridge but I am not giving a 32 year old a 4 year 25 per contract.

I don't doubt that Ibaka is in his 30s...As a guy who is supposedly in his 20..he sure has lost a decent amount of athletic prowes in just a short amount of time but he's likely the cheaper option but he'd clearly a less skilled and worst defensive player than Millsap.

[TimDunkem]

Holy shit. Did some guy on the last page really say he would take Anderson over Millsap? Fuuuuuck. :lol :lmao

[apalisoc_9]

Holy shit. Did some guy on the last page really say he would take Anderson over Millsap? Fuuuuuck. :lol :lmao

Sagirl?

[objective]

Ibaka is the opposite of a ball mover though. He jacks and jacks.

[cd98]

Iggy is so old. I mean, he was lite up by Lebron and Kawhi. Why exactly do we want him?

[TimDunkem]

He'd be the best backup Kawhi ever had...

Fuck. That's sad. :lol

[MaNu4Tres]

Ibaka is the opposite of a ball mover though. He jacks and jacks.

I don't think Spurs can be that picky. What are the options? I mean really.

Milsap for 30+ mil.

Ibaka for 20 mil.

Or maybe a platoon of bigs featuring two of Ezeli ( will POR decline their option to make him a FA?), Terrence Jones, Pat Patterson, Willie Reed, Amir Johnson, Jerekbo, Udoh, Nene?

Or maybe SA can get CP3 to commit, dump LA to PHX for Chriss, Dump Green for a pick, then take on Ezeli & Harkless salary for POR 1st.

So SA wld have added Chriss, Ezeli, Harkless ( tweener) to front court of Pau, Bertans and pick up 2 1sts for next yr.

[TimDunkem]

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[Chinook]

I'm not for paying a PF more money than LMA's already getting paid. It makes more sense to try one last year (with an upgraded back court) to get LMA to play the way he's capable of.

[MaNu4Tres]

I'm not for paying a PF more money than LMA's already getting paid. It makes more sense to try one last year (with an upgraded back court) to get LMA to play the way he's capable of.

Hes gone

[picnroll]

As long as they don't waste money on Ibaka who's defense is rapidly fallen off an doesn't rebound for crap I'm good.

[Nathan89]

Olynyk would be a nice addition. Much needed versatility in the offense. Plus we would have someone willing to break Durant arm.

[apalisoc_9]

I'm not for paying a PF more money than LMA's already getting paid. It makes more sense to try one last year (with an upgraded back court) to get LMA to play the way he's capable of.

He's gone.

Doubt Leonard is too happy with him. Doubt anyone is really happy with him.

[apalisoc_9]

Olynyk would be a nice addition. Much needed versatility in the offense. Plus we would have someone willing to break Durant arm.

disgusting.

[apalisoc_9]

I don't think Spurs can be that picky. What are the options? I mean really.

Milsap for 30+ mil.

Ibaka for 20 mil.

Or maybe a platoon of bigs featuring two of Ezeli ( will POR decline their option to make him a FA?), Terrence Jones, Pat Patterson, Willie Reed, Amir Johnson, Jerekbo, Udoh, Nene?

Or maybe SA can get CP3 to commit, dump LA to PHX for Chriss, Dump Green for a pick, then take on Ezeli & Harkless salary for POR 1st.

So SA wld have added Chriss, Ezeli, Harkless ( tweener) to front court of Pau, Bertans and pick up 2 1sts for next yr.

If Bertans can improve defensively as a 4 and the spurs opt to sign Ibaka and play him as a 5...sounds like unleashing a new version of Leonard and opening spaces for Murray.

Defense would probably be so bad though.

With Lee out and Pau posdibly out, I have no doubt in my mind Bertnd is playing at least 15mpg next year.

[Chinook]

If LMA were actually gone, he'd be gone. The Spurs aren't getting a better deal by waiting. They're waiting because it might just make more sense to keep him than to deal him. I know everyone wants him gone -- and even he may want to be gone -- but it doesn't make basketball sense yet. Right now, the clearest path to improvement is for LMA to play better. Thinking that Millsap getting 50 percent more money is a viable strategy is something I just can't go along with. Dude only makes sense at a discount.

[TimDunkem]

I'm not for paying a PF more money than LMA's already getting paid. It makes more sense to try one last year (with an upgraded back court) to get LMA to play the way he's capable of.
Guy is gone whether it's this off-season or at the trade deadline. Don't kid yourself.

[Chinook]

Guy is gone whether it's this off-season or at the trade deadline. Don't kid yourself.

Those are two very different conversations. If he's gone at the deadline, he's here next week, and the team isn't getting a PF to replace him.

[TimDunkem]

If LMA were actually gone, he'd be gone. The Spurs aren't getting a better deal by waiting. They're waiting because it might just make more sense to keep him than to deal him. I know everyone wants him gone -- and even he may want to be gone -- but it doesn't make basketball sense yet.Yeah, that's bullshit. The Spurs are doing what's best for the team. That includes moving Aldridge because it makes even less basketball sense to waste a year playing a guy who has checked out.

[TimDunkem]

Those are two very different conversations. If he's gone at the deadline, he's here next week, and the team isn't getting a PF to replace him.
They're not wasting a whole year on him again. It makes no sense.

[objective]

I don't think Spurs can be that picky. What are the options? I mean really.

Milsap for 30+ mil.

Ibaka for 20 mil.

Or maybe a platoon of bigs featuring two of Ezeli ( will POR decline their option to make him a FA?), Terrence Jones, Pat Patterson, Willie Reed, Amir Johnson, Jerekbo, Udoh, Nene?

Or maybe SA can get CP3 to commit, dump LA to PHX for Chriss, Dump Green for a pick, then take on Ezeli & Harkless salary for POR 1st.

So SA wld have added Chriss, Ezeli, Harkless ( tweener) to front court of Pau, Bertans and pick up 2 1sts for next yr.

Ezeli will likely never play again from what I vaguely remember.

If it's Millsap at 30 or ibaka at 20, I think Milsap is worth the difference. Does it kill a Paul chance? Probably.

I just don't think Ibaka is that good anymore. I also doubt 20 is enough.

The alternatives are bad, no doubt.

I also am pessimistic on an LMA trade that could get Chriss, not that he's any good anyway. I just figure teams know the Spurs are up against it and are trying to bleed them. Maybe we can get Brandon Knight.

[MannyIsGod]

If LMA were actually gone, he'd be gone. The Spurs aren't getting a better deal by waiting. They're waiting because it might just make more sense to keep him than to deal him. I know everyone wants him gone -- and even he may want to be gone -- but it doesn't make basketball sense yet. Right now, the clearest path to improvement is for LMA to play better. Thinking that Millsap getting 50 percent more money is a viable strategy is something I just can't go along with. Dude only makes sense at a discount.

This is silly. With possible sign and trades once free agency opens up it would be madness to do some trade now. Things can definitely change between now and then. Its pretty much the opposite of what you say here: There's no incentive NOT to wait.

[Chinook]

Yeah, that's bullshit. The Spurs are doing what's best for the team. That includes moving Aldridge because it makes even less basketball sense to waste a year playing a guy who has checked out.

First, we don't know the extent to which he's "checked out". All we have is a report that he's selling his house. Second, LMA was apparently "checked out" last summer, and the Spurs didn't trade him. You can call what you want, but the team might feel like pounding that rock one last time and then starting over clean next summer is better than playing even more money for declining guys now.


They're not wasting a whole year on him again. It makes no sense.

Even if they move him in November, that takes them out of the running for another big this summer. Again, it's a different conversation.

[coachmac87]

If LMA were actually gone, he'd be gone. The Spurs aren't getting a better deal by waiting. They're waiting because it might just make more sense to keep him than to deal him. I know everyone wants him gone -- and even he may want to be gone -- but it doesn't make basketball sense yet. Right now, the clearest path to improvement is for LMA to play better. Thinking that Millsap getting 50 percent more money is a viable strategy is something I just can't go along with. Dude only makes sense at a discount.


Spurs swung for the fence going for a lottery pick...didn't work out. But that doesn't mean a good deal can't be made..

[Emperor]

It's quite possible as some have already mentioned on here that they already may have some sort of trade lined up with Aldridge/Green involved but just need verbal commitment from the FA they will be targeting before they make the move.