Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[SPURt]

Just read they can't max Otto anymore. He never signed the offer shear.
Ah, still, Divac has done a good job putting out the dumpster fire. They will still likely miss the playoffs but they're building.

[Dverde]

Mostly watching for Simmons. Kings must not be interested. This is good, still worried about dumb Knicks.

[Mugen]

Hayward to the Celtics.

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[gambit1990]

do not want rose. not a rudy gay fan but go ahead and sign he, bogut, and hanga i guess.

[baseline bum]

I'm not a Hill fan, but $19 million a year over three years for Hill seems like a bargain compared to $12.5 million a year over four years for Mills. What a joke of an offseason for this team.

[Leetonidas]

Damn good move for the Celtics. They are still an alpha away though

[SuperCam]

I'm not a Hill fan, but $19 million a year over three years for Hill seems like a bargain compared to $12.5 million a year over four years for Mills. What a joke of an offseason for this team.

3rd year only partially guaranteed too for Hill :wow


Divac and desi dolan making moves while PATFO panic signing playoff scrubs at 12:01 :lmao

[NASpurs]

So the Jizz have lost Hill and Hayward... lol

[vy65]

I'm not a Hill fan, but $19 million a year over three years for Hill seems like a bargain compared to $12.5 million a year over four years for Mills. What a joke of an offseason for this team.

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[Ice009]

I'm not a Hill fan, but $19 million a year over three years for Hill seems like a bargain compared to $12.5 million a year over four years for Mills. What a joke of an offseason for this team.

I still would have balked a little bit, but after I heard about the 3rd year only being partially guaranteed, then yeah, I would definitely have taken that over 12.5M over 4 years for Mills (still gotta find out if that 4th year is guaranteed, I hope it is not).

[Mugen]

Servant left OKC, Bron left Miami, PG left, LMA left, and now Hayward...

Not a good sign with Kawhi's free agency two years away tbh.....

[Leetonidas]

Celtics have a lot of wing players. Maybe spurs can convince ainge LMA is just what they need to beef up their lineup. Yeah yeah I know...he wouldn't even trade picks for George lol

[Ice009]

Dismal off-season by the Spurs so far. Really, really abysmal.

[NASpurs]

Servant left OKC, Bron left Miami, PG left, LMA left, and now Hayward...

Not a good sign with Kawhi's free agency two years away tbh.....

At least 40 year old Gasol will still be under contract when Kawhi leaves.

[Ice009]

Servant left OKC, Bron left Miami, PG left, LMA left, and now Hayward...

Not a good sign with Kawhi's free agency two years away tbh.....

To add to that, it seems Jerry West doesn't want to guarantee that 3rd year for Gallinari. I think he wants to make a run at Kawhi in 2 years time.

[raybies]

Hayward to the Celtics.

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:wow smart move if true. East should be a lot more easier to get the Finals than west. They are gonna give Cleveland a run for their money. What does this mean for their free agents? Isn't Bradley a free agent?

[NASpurs]

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What can we get!?!?

[vy65]

Wonder what happens to PATFO's legacy if their ending note is Kawhi bolting for greener pastures?

[raybies]

At least 40 year old Gasol will still be under contract when Kawhi leaves.
Should give Vince Carter a call. I mean if we're not gonna win we can do with the BIG3 is doing.

[cd98]

So the Jizz have lost Hill and Hayward... lol

Dont worry. They got Rubio.

[TimDunkem]

Should give Vince Carter a call. I mean if we're not gonna win we can do with the BIG3 is doing.
With 40 year old Manu still running the offense for Fatty Mills off the bench.

[baseline bum]

What's even left on the market now? At this point it's like the only thing that could happen is they lose players. Like Simmons walks or they can't free up room for Lee. I can't wait to see the clusterfuck 3 year deal Gasol signs on Thursday now. Might as well after pissing away $12.5 million of 2018 capspace on Mills.

[Ice009]

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What can we get!?!?

Anyone got a list of their free agents?

[cd98]

Hayward to the Celtics.

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Man if Utah can't keep the best white player in the game, there is no hope for them.

[cd98]

What's even left on the market now? At this point it's like the only thing that could happen is they lose players. Like Simmons walks or they can't free up room for Lee. I can't wait to see the clusterfuck 3 year deal Gasol signs on Thursday now. Might as well after pissing away $12.5 million of 2018 capspace on Mills.

They just need to sign Gasol up for his last year with all the money that he gave up so they can just move on next season.

[NASpurs]

Anyone got a list of their free agents?

"Boston would now need a series of transactions to create cap space for Gordon Hayward. The Celtics would have to pull the qualifying offer on Kelly Olynyk, renounce free agents Jonas Jerebko, James Young, Gerald Green and waive the contracts of Jordan Mickey and Demetrius Jackson (or trade). The Celtics would be left with $27.6M in room and likely need to move the contract of Terry Rozier or Marcus Smart. Trading Rozier would have the Celtics short $1M of a max salary a lot."

[Ice009]

"Boston would now need a series of transactions to create cap space for Gordon Hayward. The Celtics would have to pull the qualifying offer on Kelly Olynyk, renounce free agents Jonas Jerebko, James Young, Gerald Green and waive the contracts of Jordan Mickey and Demetrius Jackson (or trade). The Celtics would be left with $27.6M in room and likely need to move the contract of Terry Rozier or Marcus Smart. Trading Rozier would have the Celtics short $1M of a max salary a lot."

Thanks.

[Chinook]

Damn, that 12:01 panic move could be remembered here for a long time:lol

Zach Lowe said that Mills was a desirable piece for a number of teams..Spurs panicked and jumped the gun once Hill declined to take less, afraid that somebody would entice Patty, I suppose..I love Mills, but he's not going to make or break your season, damn:lol

George Hill and his agent played one of the worst FA games I've seen in a minute, though..

Donatas Motiejunas probably has him beat. Hill and Lance are about equal, though.

[spursistan]

Servant left OKC, Bron left Miami, PG left, LMA left, and now Hayward...

Not a good sign with Kawhi's free agency two years away tbh.....

PATFO-- and maybe ownership too-- taking him for granted might end up being the most unforgivable mistake the franchise makes..

This off-season is lowkey a slap in the face. They could have improved but chose to think, much like in 2000 when Timmy tore his meniscus, that Kawhi injury was the only thing that was wrong with the team...A year later, they got destroyed by the Lakers with the same healthy band..

[dabom]

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love that gif. I need to make it mine.

[raybies]

He better announce soon.. this must be torture for Utah fans

[DPG21920]

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Son of a b. This is someone I really wanted SA to take a look at.

[spursistan]

Outside the Pau opt-out, every Spur move screams "run-it-back" option as their strategic offseason choice..

[baseline bum]

"Boston would now need a series of transactions to create cap space for Gordon Hayward. The Celtics would have to pull the qualifying offer on Kelly Olynyk, renounce free agents Jonas Jerebko, James Young, Gerald Green and waive the contracts of Jordan Mickey and Demetrius Jackson (or trade). The Celtics would be left with $27.6M in room and likely need to move the contract of Terry Rozier or Marcus Smart. Trading Rozier would have the Celtics short $1M of a max salary a lot."

I wonder what Olynyk is going to pull in free agency. Maybe he can be our Plan D to slide under Curry's feet in the second round next year.

[bklynspursfan]

Hayward's camp playing damage control now. Messed up it got leaked without notifying them first.

[spursistan]

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Damn Woj putting his teammate in his place :lol..

[cjw]

PATFO-- and maybe ownership too-- taking him for granted might end up being the most unforgivable mistake the franchise makes..

This off-season is lowkey a slap in the face. They could have improved but chose to think, much like in 2000 when Timmy tore his meniscus, that Kawhi injury was the only thing that was wrong with the team...A year later, they got destroyed by the Lakers with the same healthy band..

He's going to sign for the super max next offseason once all the dust settles from FA. Spurs can offer him boatloads more than others. This was not the case for Hayward or George, or even Paul (he had 10 service years). Only Durant really gave up money.

[cd98]

Jazz fans will never forgive.

[objective]

Hill's deal is incredible.

Spurs got suckered so bad.

They could have even afforded that with Parker on the roster so long as they renounced Pau and Mills and Manu.

[Ice009]

He's going to sign for the super max next offseason once all the dust settles from FA. Spurs can offer him boatloads more than others. This was not the case for Hayward or George, or even Paul (he had 10 service years). Only Durant really gave up money.

How does the super max work? When can it be signed and don't you have to be on your original team to get it?

[raybies]

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please let him sign in Utah or Miami

[Ice009]

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please let him sign in Utah or Miami

lol, this free agency this year is getting out of hand.

[BSfromTX]

PATFO-- and maybe ownership too-- taking him for granted might end up being the most unforgivable mistake the franchise makes..

This off-season is lowkey a slap in the face. They could have improved but chose to think, much like in 2000 when Timmy tore his meniscus, that Kawhi injury was the only thing that was wrong with the team...A year later, they got destroyed by the Lakers with the same healthy band..

2000 brought big defensive changes on the perimeter...... main reason Spurs had to retool.

[Chinook]

The Mills deal won't be good unless he all of the sudden becomes a perfect fit for the Zipper series (meaning that he's able to hit long-twos at an elite rate as well as beat players off the dribble), but for all the bitching about the Spurs missing the bus, people are forgetting that they are in a buyer's market with an MLE and LLE, or the RE and a good chunk of space. I heard yesterday that there are still 100 FAs out there. We're already pretty far in this Dutch auction. Will be very interesting to see where it goes.

Plus, if the past 13 months has taught us anything, it's that teams are already feeling the strain of these deals. So not only will the Spurs' expirings gain value as the year goes on, but they'll be one of the few teams (and the only good one likely) to have a max slot. I'm not a Cousins fan, but those who are should be happy the team won't have Hills and Randolphs taking up $30 Million in 2018.

[Ice009]

The Mills deal won't be good unless he all of the sudden becomes a perfect fit for the Zipper series (meaning that he's able to hit long-twos at an elite rate as well as beat players off the dribble), but for all the bitching about the Spurs missing the bus, people are forgetting that they are in a buyer's market with an MLE and LLE, or the RE and a good chunk of space. I heard yesterday that there are still 100 FAs out there. We're already pretty far in this Dutch auction. Will be very interesting to see where it goes.

Plus, if the past 13 months has taught us anything, it's that teams are already feeling the strain of these deals. So not only will the Spurs' expirings gain value as the year goes on, but they'll be one of the few teams (and the only good one likely) to have a max slot. I'm not a Cousins fan, but those who are should be happy the team won't have Hills and Randolphs taking up $30 Million in 2018.

Some good points there, and I'm a humongous Cousins fan, so there's that at least.

[cjw]

How does the super max work? When can it be signed and don't you have to be on your original team to get it?

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q24

Appears Kawhi is eligible next offseason as he already made two All NBA teams. He was technically traded but it was his rights and not contract - he signed with the Spurs.

So he'll be eligible for 35% of cap a year starting next offseason vs. having to play out next season at 25% of old cap and then get 30% from a new team. Unlike the Paul situation where the dollars were actually not that far off, this is a HUGE incumbent advantage.

[baseline bum]

I'm not a Cousins fan, but those who are should be happy the team won't have Hills and Randolphs taking up $30 Million in 2018.

Yeah Mills + Gasol will only take up $27 million.

[sasaint]

Anyone got a list of their free agents?

My thoughts exactly! You beat me to it. :toast


The Celts will have to dump a guy or two that could be worthwhile. Unfortunately they may be yet more Gs for PATFO to horde.

[sasaint]

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q24

Appears Kawhi is eligible next offseason as he already made two All NBA teams. He was technically traded but it was his rights and not contract - he signed with the Spurs.

So he'll be eligible for 35% of cap a year starting next offseason vs. having to play out next season at 25% of old cap and then get 30% from a new team. Unlike the Paul situation where the dollars were actually not that far off, this is a HUGE incumbent advantage.

What I have been saying. PATFO's moves are guided by this fact of Spurs life.

[DPG21920]

Yeah Mills + Gasol will only take up $27 million.

And SA will still have a max slot without having to make any trades to open it up.

[Mr. Body]

I'm kind of surprised. I didn't expect the Spurs to do essentially nothing. Guess they got ran out by teams willing to spend money. Cut bait until next year?

[Chinook]

Yeah Mills + Gasol will only take up $27 million.

We don't know how much Pau will take up. It's looking like he won't be taking up any now.

[sasaint]

I wonder what Olynyk is going to pull in free agency. Maybe he can be our Plan D to slide under Curry's feet in the second round next year.

Olynik's forte is arms, if I recall correctly.

All seriousness aside, Olynik played like a stud against the Cavs.

[Chinook]

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q24

Appears Kawhi is eligible next offseason as he already made two All NBA teams. He was technically traded but it was his rights and not contract - he signed with the Spurs.

So he'll be eligible for 35% of cap a year starting next offseason vs. having to play out next season at 25% of old cap and then get 30% from a new team. Unlike the Paul situation where the dollars were actually not that far off, this is a HUGE incumbent advantage.

If the Spurs offer this and he rejects it, it will be the biggest indicator of his intentions and the team's trajectory. But Kawhi already having a ring and routinely making it deep in the playoffs gives a different coloring to his decision than it has for others.

[baseline bum]

And SA will still have a max slot without having to make any trades to open it up.

If Simmons walks or they tell Parker to fuck off and renounce him.

[cjw]

And SA will still have a max slot without having to make any trades to open it up.

Not just that, but Mills' deal will almost certainly be tradeable. And Gasol may not even get a multi year deal. If they operate above cap, they can just pay him more this year and be done.

[vy65]

The potential 2018 max slot doesn't excuse the legacy deals being given to guys like Patty or the opt-out-for-longer deal that's going to be given to Pau. And lol thinking they'd trade Patty Mills.

[duncan2150]

The potential 2018 max slot doesn't excuse the legacy deals being given to guys like Patty or the opt-out-for-longer deal that's going to be given to Pau. And lol thinking they'd trade Patty Mills.

Pau doesn't have any contract now

[vy65]

Pau doesn't have any contract now

Correct. Re-read.

[Chinook]

The potential 2018 max slot doesn't excuse the legacy deals being given to guys like Patty or the opt-out-for-longer deal that's going to be given to Pau. And lol thinking they'd trade Patty Mills.

So you didn't want the Spurs to sign anyone this off-season? Because the Mills and Gasol transactions were made with that in mind. Dunno why you think the team would go back on its word to guys who gave them flexibility in the first place.

[vy65]

So you didn't want the Spurs to sign anyone this off-season? Because the Mills and Gasol transactions were made with that in mind. Dunno why you think the team would go back on its word to guys who gave them flexibility in the first place.

I didn't want them to give Patty that atrocious deal, particularly considering the market available for similar players. And I also would have preferred that they have Pau opt in so that he'd expire sooner.

The legacy/culture contracts are an antiquated model that's hamstringing the franchise from moving forward. If there are no FAs that will move the needle this coming year, then the appropriate response cannot be to "give your word" to your own players, lock them up for longer, and hurt your future cap. Cleaning house would have been much preferable to how they've approached FA this year.

Do you honestly think the moves they're making are good?

[spursistan]

Today's NBA on tenterhooks over Gordan fuckin Hayward Free agency...CROFL..

Does this sucker actually think he is superstar? :lol..

[jyra]

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Hmm.. Memphis getting another PF?

[raybies]

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Hmm.. Memphis getting another PF?
Don't get my hopes up

[ECOV]

so when does free agency finish?

[Chinook]

I didn't want them to give Patty that atrocious deal, particularly considering the market available for similar players. And I also would have preferred that they have Pau opt in so that he'd expire sooner.

We still don't know what Pau will sign for or for how long. However, you are avoiding my question: Did you want the team to sign anyone this off-season? Both the Pau and Patty moves were made to maximize cap space this year. Mills agreed to his deal early, which both meant that he got more than he may have gotten had he sat on the market longer and that he risked getting less than he could have gotten had he not agreed so quickly. The important thing to the Spurs was Patty's $6.8-Million hold. That an Gasol opting out allowed them to lock in two rotation players for $16-18 Million. Doing that and bringing back Simmons while trading away Green and LMA for picks would have left them with this:

Mills, Murray
Simmons, White
Leonard, Anderson
Bertans, Blossomgame
Gasol

And a max slot plus whatever picks they got from the deal. Letting Mills walk and keeping Pau on the books would have left them with that same roster minus Mills but with even less space, along with a "point-guard or bust" mentality. So now that they have only Murray and White as PGs and possibly not even Simmons at SG (since they couldn't risk waiting up him with offer sheets taking up cap space instantly now) they can't afford to wait out Hill like SAC could, so they give him $25 Million and have no room to replace LMA. And even if Simmons stay, the Spurs are so desperate to replace Green that they match an Arenas deal NYK offers. So now you have Hill and Simmons taking up $39 Million in space next season rather than Mills taking up $12.5 Million all for the benefit of having an even worst team than you had last year.

It's easy to understand why the Spurs did what they did, even if it's almost as easy to question it in hindsight.

[Chinook]

And before people talk about how Patty would have gotten even less on the market, we have no idea if he would have been Philly's choice over Redick or not, or Minny's choice over Teague. The Spurs never gave us the chance to see. But I think especially with the Sixers, he could have been making bank, even on a one-year deal.

[Chinook]

so when does free agency finish?

06/30/2018

[raybies]

Have no idea what Memphis plans are with the PF position. They do have Rabb and Deyonta Davis. Maybe a youth movement? Green not even that old. Sign and trade for LMA for Rabb, Green and Baldwin? Tonight you, I'm sorry. I took Jyras bait.

[spursistan]

Damn, that 12:01 panic move could be remembered here for a long time:lol

Zach Lowe said that Mills was a desirable piece for a number of teams..Spurs panicked and jumped the gun once Hill declined to take less, afraid that somebody would entice Patty, I suppose..I love Mills, but he's not going to make or break your season, damn:lol

George Hill and his agent played one of the worst FA games I've seen in a minute, though..

It's just comical how badly they overvalued themselves: a career role-player who has just had his peak, injury-riddled season ( a pedestrian 16 Pts/4 Ast) suddenly thought of himself as a max-caliber point guard at age 31 :lol..

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Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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Memphis made a July 1 offer to restricted free agent JaMychal Green and are now awaiting an offer sheet, league sources tell ESPN.

[TD 21]

:lmao At Hill's representation (would imagine him/them will be fired in short order), Spurs and anyone who bought into the notion of Hill getting $25-30M per . . . said all along that he'd end up in high teens to $20M range. Once Teague got 3/$57M, it was clear he'd get that and once Millsap got team option 3rd season, I thought he'd get that or partial guarantee.

PG and C are the most saturated positions in the league and there's now been a market correction with them. Unless you have an elite one, you don't pay top dollar for it because it's easy to find a similar player at a lesser price.

[freemeat]

Is it possible Kawhi sees a decent amount of time at the 4 this year? It seems like the offseason is pulling us that way. I'm actually kind of okay with that...I think

[vy65]

We still don't know what Pau will sign for or for how long. However, you are avoiding my question: Did you want the team to sign anyone this off-season? Both the Pau and Patty moves were made to maximize cap space this year. Mills agreed to his deal early, which both meant that he got more than he may have gotten had he sat on the market longer and that he risked getting less than he could have gotten had he not agreed so quickly. The important thing to the Spurs was Patty's $6.8-Million hold. That an Gasol opting out allowed them to lock in two rotation players for $16-18 Million. Doing that and bringing back Simmons while trading away Green and LMA for picks would have left them with this:

Mills, Murray
Simmons, White
Leonard, Anderson
Bertans, Blossomgame
Gasol

And a max slot plus whatever picks they got from the deal. Letting Mills walk and keeping Pau on the books would have left them with that same roster minus Mills but with even less space, along with a "point-guard or bust" mentality. So now that they have only Murray and White as PGs and possibly not even Simmons at SG (since they couldn't risk waiting up him with offer sheets taking up cap space instantly now) they can't afford to wait out Hill like SAC could, so they give him $25 Million and have no room to replace LMA. And even if Simmons stay, the Spurs are so desperate to replace Green that they match an Arenas deal NYK offers. So now you have Hill and Simmons taking up $39 Million in space next season rather than Mills taking up $12.5 Million all for the benefit of having an even worst team than you had last year.

It's easy to understand why the Spurs did what they did, even if it's almost as easy to question it in hindsight.

The team's ceiling remains the same with or without Patty/Pau. Neither of those two players will alter the outcome of a series with GSW. If there was a way to make the cap-magic work by signing Hill for around 19MM while losing one of Patty or Simmons (or waiving/stretching Parker, if the team were so inclined) (while telling Pau to opt-in), then I'd be all for that signing.

Other than that, I'd rather have the Spurs start cleaning house. The cap-space eaten by a 6' SG is better served to make room to take in players in a possible LMA trade or on 2018 FAs. I don't care to have two "rotation players" on long term deals who don't move the needle against the only team that matters?

You're also ignoring the third pg (Parker) who won't be traded or waived.

Again, you're dodging my question -- do you honestly thing locking up Patty at 4/50MM and re-upping Pau are good deals? Do they move the ball forward against GSW?

[Brazil]

It's just comical how badly they overvalued themselves: a career role-player who has just had his peak, injury-riddled season ( a pedestrian 16 Pts/4 Ast) suddenly thought of himself as a max-caliber point guard at age 31 :lol..

they saw dat conley deal tbh...

[SAGirl]

Free agent George Hill has reached agreement on a three-year, $57M deal with the Sacramento Kings, league sources tell The Vertical.

sucks. He should have stayed in Utah.
wow
Also Hill on that contract wouldn't have been worse than Mills at 12 mill for 4 years.

[SAGirl]

Spurs could of waited...

yes.

[raybies]

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still won the trade.

[SAGirl]

Well hill turned down 4 year 80 million
Talked to spurs talks broke down
Hill could have called back once he could not get 25
Problem is Spurs had already committed to Patty and were not about to pull a Deandre Jordan and leave him hanging after an agreement.

[NASpurs]

Old guy with medical conditions? Let's sign him up!

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[RD2191]

Old guy with medical conditions? Let's sign him up!

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:lobt2:

[dabom]

Old guy with medical conditions? Let's sign him up!

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You laugh. But RC salivating. :lol

[cd021]

Is it possible Kawhi sees a decent amount of time at the 4 this year? It seems like the offseason is pulling us that way. I'm actually kind of okay with that...I think

I would hope so but I would prefer that they start Anderson or Bertans at the four with LMA at the five and have Kawhi close halves at the 4.

[marinoman]

The heat will put his retirement jersey next to these
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[cd021]

Old guy with medical conditions? Let's sign him up!

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If he were to attempt a come back, one of the Texas teams would make since. There would be less travel by planes (42 home games and 4 other road games in Texas. IIRC the one of the reasons for the blood clots was travel. He could easily play 50 games without having to travel all that far.

[SAGirl]

Philadelphi had to be in play for Mills.

Of course, they made an insane offer to JJ Reddick and obviously Coach Brown's connection would have gone after Patty the same way he went after Manu last season.

[SAGirl]

Hill's deal is incredible.

Spurs got suckered so bad.

They could have even afforded that with Parker on the roster so long as they renounced Pau and Mills and Manu.

thanks for the information. .... :depressed

[Hoops Czar]

Hill's deal is incredible.

Spurs got suckered so bad.

They could have even afforded that with Parker on the roster so long as they renounced Pau and Mills and Manu.

You're assuming RC was even in on him. He's content with the status quo even though they haven't won a single western conference finals game since Tim Duncan carried them to a championship in 2014. One of the most overrated FO's of all-time.

[marinoman]

You're assuming RC was even in on him. He's content with the status quo even though they haven't won a single western conference finals game since Tim Duncan carried them to a championship in 2014. One of the most overrated FO's of all-time.
The FO is overrated by the media and casuals. They're rated accurately otherwise

[Kindergarten Cop]

You're assuming RC was even in on him. He's content with the status quo even though they haven't won a single western conference finals game, since Tim Duncan carried them to a championship in 2014. One of the most overrated FO's of all-time.

If this isn't the most perfect example of how spoiled most Spurs' fans have become, I'm not sure what is. There are 28-29 different fanbases who would gladly trade FO's with us at a moment's notice. I'm not thrilled with how our offseason has gone so far, but I also recognize that FA isn't even close to being over and I'll reserve my final judgement until more of the chips fall - especially considering that there are still many quality free agents out there and a lot of the money is drying up.

[SAGirl]

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[dabom]

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:lol

[raybies]

Hayward need to hurry up and make a decision already. He slowing up Free Agency. Simmons holding out for better offers which probably come after if at all.

[Chinook]

The team's ceiling remains the same with or without Patty/Pau. Neither of those two players will alter the outcome of a series with GSW. If there was a way to make the cap-magic work by signing Hill for around 19MM while losing one of Patty or Simmons (or waiving/stretching Parker, if the team were so inclined) (while telling Pau to opt-in), then I'd be all for that signing.

See, that's all hindsight. Pau couldn't wait to opt in or out until after Hill's market fell. He had to make the decision by the draft. You can always agree to give him his $16 Million back for this year if you strike out; you can't reduce it if someone wants to come.


Other than that, I'd rather have the Spurs start cleaning house. The cap-space eaten by a 6' SG is better served to make room to take in players in a possible LMA trade or on 2018 FAs. I don't care to have two "rotation players" on long term deals who don't move the needle against the only team that matters?

Most of this is retrospective. The Spurs pivoted to 2018 once 2017 stopped being as interesting. However, that was after Mills and Gasol agreed to stay on. Now you can dislike the Mills deal on its own merits (and I totally understand that), but I doubt you wanted the Spurs to clean house in May. I think most wanted to add Paul or whomever the rotation and maybe move LMA/Gasol for Millsap.


You're also ignoring the third pg (Parker) who won't be traded or waived.

I don't think Parker's going anywhere, and I've expressed frustration about that for a while now. I'm not ignoring it. But I can understand why the team hasn't dumped him yet. Right now, it's not worth a first just to have him off the team. They could have traded him and 29 of draft night, but in 2018, they could have White and cap space.


Again, you're dodging my question -- do you honestly thing locking up Patty at 4/50MM and re-upping Pau are good deals? Do they move the ball forward against GSW?

I didn't dodge your question like you're still dodging mine. I wish the Spurs could let Pau go. Failing that, I'm a huge advocated of paying him $16 Million this year and being done with his contract. I don't think Mills has a bad contract, but I definitely wish they had taken care of their FA needs before they signed him. They seemed to have tried and failed.

I think they keep the Spurs as arguably the second-best team in the league. That may not get them closer to GS, but they weren't really going to get closer through free agency anyway. They need Kawhi healthy, LMA engaged and a better play on O to do that. Losing Mills and Gasol with no replacements would have made it so much harder to even hope for an injury. It's bad enough looking at replacing Lee, Dedmon and Simmons/Green.

The important takeaway is that the Spurs tried to improve their team and failed. If you wanted them to do so, you can't complain about Pau and can't really complain about Mills unless you think Murray, White or someone making less than $6.8 Million would be a better player than Patty is, especially as the backup PG. The team needed flexibility and value from its cap holds. They got it but may have been burned by the market. It's easy to think they made a mistake now that we know what happened, but PATFO don't get the benefit of knowing the future.

[BatManu20]

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:lol

[BatManu20]

A couple days days ago this guy was a Spur :lol

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[buttsR4rebounding]

I'd like to see them sign Bogut, Pau, Simmons and Chris Singleton and get ready for battle.

[SAGirl]

Miami has been home to a lot of rescue projects that have seen a second lease on their NBA career. Good for Gay if he goes there.

[vy65]

See, that's all hindsight. Pau couldn't wait to opt in or out until after Hill's market fell. He had to make the decision by the draft. You can always agree to give him his $16 Million back for this year if you strike out; you can't reduce it if someone wants to come.



Most of this is retrospective. The Spurs pivoted to 2018 once 2017 stopped being as interesting. However, that was after Mills and Gasol agreed to stay on. Now you can dislike the Mills deal on its own merits (and I totally understand that), but I doubt you wanted the Spurs to clean house in May. I think most wanted to add Paul or whomever the rotation and maybe move LMA/Gasol for Millsap.



I don't think Parker's going anywhere, and I've expressed frustration about that for a while now. I'm not ignoring it. But I can understand why the team hasn't dumped him yet. Right now, it's not worth a first just to have him off the team. They could have traded him and 29 of draft night, but in 2018, they could have White and cap space.



I didn't dodge your question like you're still dodging mine. I wish the Spurs could let Pau go. Failing that, I'm a huge advocated of paying him $16 Million this year and being done with his contract. I don't think Mills has a bad contract, but I definitely wish they had taken care of their FA needs before they signed him. They seemed to have tried and failed.

I think they keep the Spurs as arguably the second-best team in the league. That may not get them closer to GS, but they weren't really going to get closer through free agency anyway. They need Kawhi healthy, LMA engaged and a better play on O to do that. Losing Mills and Gasol with no replacements would have made it so much harder to even hope for an injury. It's bad enough looking at replacing Lee, Dedmon and Simmons/Green.

The important takeaway is that the Spurs tried to improve their team and failed. If you wanted them to do so, you can't complain about Pau and can't really complain about Mills unless you think Murray, White or someone making less than $6.8 Million would be a better player than Patty is, especially as the backup PG. The team needed flexibility and value from its cap holds. They got it but may have been burned by the market. It's easy to think they made a mistake now that we know what happened, but PATFO don't get the benefit of knowing the future.

Not a good take for a couple of reasons.

1. In neither post volume 1 or post volume 2 is there any defense of Patty's contract. Which I don't blame you for because it's a terrible deal. You say that Mills isn't a bad contract - but - you've also conceded that they Patty doesn't move the needle against GSW. Tying up 12+MM for four years to an undersized sg who can't run the offense or play defense is, to me, a pretty bad deal, particularly when said player isn't a game changer against the only team that matters.

2. What's hindsight? RC and company clearly know that a) Parker's deal comes off the books in 18, b) Pau's old deal came off the books in 18, c) a disgruntled LMA had a player option set for 18. Preserving cap room for a push in 18 (or to absorb contracts in an LMA deal) is the answer to your "what should they have done" question -- not re-upping players (i.e., Patty, Pau) with whom we need to move on.

3. I don't think the FO ever thought 2017 was that interesting. I honestly think that the moves they're making are to open up room to re-sign their guys and roll the team back again. This has historically been what the spurs do. And it's a move I disagree with because the team has a lot of dead weight that needs to be cut.

4. This is also why I haven't dodged your question. I don't know how to be any clearer than to say: a) they should not have re-signed Patty at all, much less 4/50 and b) told Pau to opt in with the understanding that 2018 is his last year or opt out and seek opportunity elsewhere.

5. Whether you think Tony is going elsewhere or not is besides the point. He's still another pg on the roster and is another reason why Patty was/is expendable. Same goes for Manu, who you didn't account for, and will probably be back (my gut feeling).

6. We seem to agree on what to do about Pau. Which is great. But again, you're dodging my one and only question to you which is: is what the team is doing with Pau and Patty sound team building? I don't know how to be any clearer in saying that it's not.

7. This team is not second-best in the league. Even in the extremely optimistic and unrealistic scenario you've painted.

8. Finally, while I agree that the spurs believe they tried to improve their team, their approach in doing so is wrong. And exhibit A is the deal they gave Patty. You have a baseless assertion that I can't complain about Mills' deal if I wanted the team to improve -- which makes absolutely no sense. The team needed to move on from him (and Pau) and the last thing they should have done -- if they were trying to improve -- is re-up both. While you seem to disagree with this, I have yet to hear anything from you about why re-upping both players on longer deals helps this team in any way, shape, or form.

[raybies]

Stephen Zimmerman got waived. Would love the Spurs to pick him up for Vegas. He'd be better than any big we got now unless Milutinov plays

[LakerHater]

Free agent forward Omri Casspi has agreed to a one-year deal with Golden State, league sources tell ESPN.

[raybies]

Casspi to the Warriors

[raybies]

Really want to see what he can do on a contender

[tonight...you]

Not a good take for a couple of reasons.

1. In neither post volume 1 or post volume 2 is there any defense of Patty's contract. Which I don't blame you for because it's a terrible deal. You say that Mills isn't a bad contract - but - you've also conceded that they Patty doesn't move the needle against GSW. Tying up 12+MM for four years to an undersized sg who can't run the offense or play defense is, to me, a pretty bad deal, particularly when said player isn't a game changer against the only team that matters.

2. What's hindsight? RC and company clearly know that a) Parker's deal comes off the books in 18, b) Pau's old deal came off the books in 18, c) a disgruntled LMA had a player option set for 18. Preserving cap room for a push in 18 (or to absorb contracts in an LMA deal) is the answer to your "what should they have done" question -- not re-upping players (i.e., Patty, Pau) with whom we need to move on.

3. I don't think the FO ever thought 2017 was that interesting. I honestly think that the moves they're making are to open up room to re-sign their guys and roll the team back again. This has historically been what the spurs do. And it's a move I disagree with because the team has a lot of dead weight that needs to be cut.

4. This is also why I haven't dodged your question. I don't know how to be any clearer than to say: a) they should not have re-signed Patty at all, much less 4/50 and b) told Pau to opt in with the understanding that 2018 is his last year or opt out and seek opportunity elsewhere.

5. Whether you think Tony is going elsewhere or not is besides the point. He's still another pg on the roster and is another reason why Patty was/is expendable. Same goes for Manu, who you didn't account for, and will probably be back (my gut feeling).

6. We seem to agree on what to do about Pau. Which is great. But again, you're dodging my one and only question to you which is: is what the team is doing with Pau and Patty sound team building? I don't know how to be any clearer in saying that it's not.

7. This team is not second-best in the league. Even in the extremely optimistic and unrealistic scenario you've painted.

8. Finally, while I agree that the spurs believe they tried to improve their team, their approach in doing so is wrong. And exhibit A is the deal they gave Patty. You have a baseless assertion that I can't complain about Mills' deal if I wanted the team to improve -- which makes absolutely no sense. The team needed to move on from him (and Pau) and the last thing they should have done -- if they were trying to improve -- is re-up both. While you seem to disagree with this, I have yet to hear anything from you about why re-upping both players on longer deals helps this team in any way, shape, or form.
Long story short- GSW is THE juggernaut right now. What exactly IS going to move the needle in the next 2 years?
They're just going to get better in '18 and '19 with simple continuity. Then, after, maybe someone else can step up.

Right now the Spurs should just remain as competitive as they can, keep playing the long game and try to make a come-up, if things go sideways on GSW, or until 2020. And just hope.

I mean... They weren't going to get anyone that was going to change the landscape and it's not really their fault. They had little money and would have had to gut the team to free it up, and nobody wants to come here now because the biggest chance to win it all is Either bolster a Eastern Conference team and hope that GSW has a big problem, or go to a better destination with talent.

[LakerHater]

Golden state still has money?

[raybies]

Golden state still has money?
Veterans ring chasing for the minimum per par

[tonight...you]

Not a good take for a couple of reasons.

1. In neither post volume 1 or post volume 2 is there any defense of Patty's contract. Which I don't blame you for because it's a terrible deal. You say that Mills isn't a bad contract - but - you've also conceded that they Patty doesn't move the needle against GSW. Tying up 12+MM for four years to an undersized sg who can't run the offense or play defense is, to me, a pretty bad deal, particularly when said player isn't a game changer against the only team that matters.

2. What's hindsight? RC and company clearly know that a) Parker's deal comes off the books in 18, b) Pau's old deal came off the books in 18, c) a disgruntled LMA had a player option set for 18. Preserving cap room for a push in 18 (or to absorb contracts in an LMA deal) is the answer to your "what should they have done" question -- not re-upping players (i.e., Patty, Pau) with whom we need to move on.

3. I don't think the FO ever thought 2017 was that interesting. I honestly think that the moves they're making are to open up room to re-sign their guys and roll the team back again. This has historically been what the spurs do. And it's a move I disagree with because the team has a lot of dead weight that needs to be cut.

4. This is also why I haven't dodged your question. I don't know how to be any clearer than to say: a) they should not have re-signed Patty at all, much less 4/50 and b) told Pau to opt in with the understanding that 2018 is his last year or opt out and seek opportunity elsewhere.

5. Whether you think Tony is going elsewhere or not is besides the point. He's still another pg on the roster and is another reason why Patty was/is expendable. Same goes for Manu, who you didn't account for, and will probably be back (my gut feeling).

6. We seem to agree on what to do about Pau. Which is great. But again, you're dodging my one and only question to you which is: is what the team is doing with Pau and Patty sound team building? I don't know how to be any clearer in saying that it's not.

7. This team is not second-best in the league. Even in the extremely optimistic and unrealistic scenario you've painted.

8. Finally, while I agree that the spurs believe they tried to improve their team, their approach in doing so is wrong. And exhibit A is the deal they gave Patty. You have a baseless assertion that I can't complain about Mills' deal if I wanted the team to improve -- which makes absolutely no sense. The team needed to move on from him (and Pau) and the last thing they should have done -- if they were trying to improve -- is re-up both. While you seem to disagree with this, I have yet to hear anything from you about why re-upping both players on longer deals helps this team in any way, shape, or form.
Watch them be the 2nd best team... again.

[cjw]

Long story short- GSW is THE juggernaut right now. What exactly IS going to move the needle in the next 2 years?
They're just going to get better in '18 and '19 with simple continuity. Then, after, maybe someone else can step up.

Right now the Spurs should just remain as competitive as they can, keep playing the long game and try to make a come-up, if things go sideways on GSW, or until 2020. And just hope.

I mean... They weren't going to get anyone that was going to change the landscape and it's not really their fault. They had little money and would have had to gut the team to free it up, and nobody wants to come here now because the biggest chance to win it all is Either bolster a Eastern Conference team and hope that GSW has a big problem, or go to a better destination with talent.

The more GS dominates and hurts leaguewide revenue, the more cap space will dry up and their luxury tax will balloon. Spurs are going to be one of the few unburdened teams in 2018. Heck, even Philly runs the risk of having Embiid's 50 games a year being paid $500k apiece then.

[NickiRasgo]

Really want to see what he can do on a contender


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh7g7dwAhiI

[tonight...you]

The more GS dominates and hurts leaguewide revenue, the more cap space will dry up and their luxury tax will balloon. Spurs are going to be one of the few unburdened teams in 2018. Heck, even Philly runs the risk of having Embiid's 50 games a year being paid $500k apiece then.
You know PATFO have discussed this. Especially after the cap went down and revenue dropped because of the lack of playoff games.
I certainly would have and I'm just a schmo.

[cjw]

You know PATFO have discussed this. Especially after the cap went down and revenue dropped because of the lack of playoff games.
I certainly would have and I'm just a schmo.

We also know how much ESPN is hurting by overpaying for live sports rights, and how the diluted league means better teams are pulled away from RSN (regional sports networks). Cord cutting hurts league revenue too, which is what the cap is built on. Seems Spurs are banking on an implosion.

[Atl Spur]

We will see movement by our team here in the next few days.....

[tonight...you]

We will see movement by our team here in the next few days.....
Yeah. They have to at least add bodies. Let's see what bodies they add.

[tholdren]

We also know how much ESPN is hurting by overpaying for live sports rights, and how the diluted league means better teams are pulled away from RSN (regional sports networks). Cord cutting hurts league revenue too, which is what the cap is built on. Seems Spurs are banking on an implosion.

Stop watching

[spursistan]

Can RC at least sign a bag of chips to show me he is still got a pulse?

[LakerHater]

Free agent Gordon Hayward has agreed to a four-year, $128M deal with the Boston Celtics, league source tells The Vertical.

[raybies]

Hayward to the celtics

[Nathan89]

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[raybies]

:wow

now let free agency commence

[TimDunkem]

Lmao He pulled a Durant. Had his team move pieces, re-sign guys, and got the fans' hopes up only to go end up with a (EC) contender. :lol

[raybies]

celtics winning the east next year. Calling it now

[raybies]

Lmao He pulled a Durant. Had his team move pieces, re-sign guys, and got the fans' hopes up only to go end up with a (EC) contender. :lol
Bron did the same with Miami too. Napier...

[Nathan89]

Thought there would be more freaking out over Casspi tbh. Solid signing for them because they are so star loaded but means much less to us. Would've been a nice cheap piece going forward if we were ever able to get a star player though. Suppose we should wait for that to happen though.

[Nathan89]

celtics winning the east next year. Calling it now

I wonder where Lebron would want to go if that happened.

[tonight...you]

I wonder where Lebron would want to go if that happened.
LA

[spursistan]

Lmao He pulled a Durant. Had his team move pieces, re-sign guys, and got the fans' hopes up only to go end up with a (EC) contender. :lol
the moment your "highly coveted" free agent is torn between staying in a decent X team/situation ('17 Jazz, '16 Thunder etc..) and joining another one instead of inking an 12:01 deal with the incumbent team, it is OVER for the latter..He's just trying to find excuses for leaving at that point..

[KDKSpurs24]

the moment your "highly coveted" free agent is torn between staying in a decent X team/situation ('17 Jazz, '16 Thunder etc..) and joining another one instead of inking an 12:01 deal with the incumbent team, it is OVER for the latter..He's just trying to find excuses for leaving at that point..
He wrote a whole article in the Player's Tribune haha. That must mean he already decided long ago haha

[CGD]

Now that all the big fish are officially gone, time to kick the tires again with PHX. They clearly want an established big man, and whiffed on Love and Milsap. Also, curious to see if CLE would give up anything good for Danny now.

[LakerHater]

With Gordon Hayward now agreeing to a four-year $127M max contract, Celtics management now has a series of transactions to do in order to create cap space. The Celtics would have to pull the qualifying offer on Kelly Olynyk, renounce free agents Jonas Jerebko, James Young, Gerald Green and waive the contracts of Jordan Mickey and Demetrius Jackson (or trade). The Celtics would be left with $27.6M in room and likely need to move the contract of Jae Crowder, Terry Rozier or Marcus Smart. Trading Rozier would have the Celtics short $1M of a max salary a lot.

[LakerHater]

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[ducks]

Kelly Olynyk has been waived

[AFBlue]

I think that's funny. Sacrificing depth for Gordon Hayward. The dude is good, but he's no game changer in that way. I guess since the east is garbage, it makes more of an impact than normal. But I wouldn't consider them contenders.

[timtonymanu]

Can RC at least sign a bag of chips to show me he is still got a pulse?

[ducks]

boston needed another star
they got lots of draft picks they can draft good role plays along as danny the gm does not pick them

[mo7888]

Crowder is on the trade block now

[AFBlue]

Can RC at least sign a bag of chips to show me he is still got a pulse?

He signed Patty to a 4yr $50M deal the moment that free agency began. I'd call that something.

[ducks]

Olynyk going to jazz ?they liked him

[DPG21920]

If BOS is moving Crowder to make room SA should be all over that since they will not want any return money.

[Emperor]

Can Crowder play PF?

[Leetonidas]

Spurs better be blowing up Ainge’s phone

[CGD]

Crowder would be a good get.

[NASpurs]

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[Vic Petro]

It would be fun to watch Crowder antagonize Draymond Green.

[timtonymanu]

Just the mention of Crowder's name, we know RC is on the phone with Pau instead. Cue *drunk Buford pic

[NASpurs]

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[Ron Swanson]

I hope we call about Crowder.

[BatManu20]

Crowder would be a great pickup for any team tbh.. most teams are probably on the phone with Danny as we speak.

[r0drig0lac]

I think that's funny. Sacrificing depth for Gordon Hayward. The dude is good, but he's no game changer in that way. I guess since the east is garbage, it makes more of an impact than normal. But I wouldn't consider them contenders.funny

[NASpurs]

RC, clear up cap space and take them both :lol (Avery Bradley and Crowder)

(:wow If Parker's contract was traded for cap space to some other team, it would about enough for both of them if my math is right, but yeah right, not going to happen)

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[timtonymanu]

Crowder would be a great pickup for any team tbh.. most teams are probably on the phone with Danny as we speak.

That's what I'm thinking. Expect the Spurs to lose out again. It's been the story of the offseason so far

[ducks]

Spurs just do not have high draft picks just Murray to offer Boston

[tdunk21]

Crowder would be a great pickup for any team tbh.. most teams are probably on the phone with Danny as we speak.

RC flying to meet Crowder as we speak.

[ducks]

Spurs draft 28 29 Boston will get better offers then that

[Leetonidas]

I don't think teams with high draft picks will be wanting crowder. He is as good as he is going to get which is very good role player and no one is trading a lotto pick for him tbh

[ducks]

Unless spurs can trade green to a third team and get picks to Boston not sure how spurs would be able to trade with them

[NASpurs]

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[Down Under]

Milutinov has skipped Eurobasket to work out with Spurs. Unsure of buyout but we need a dive man who can play D.

[AFBlue]

funny

Olynyk, Smart and Crowder all played significant minutes for them last year. And they have to renounce Jerebko and Gerald Green as well. I get it that none of those players move the needle, but that's a lot of bodies to replace if you're Boston for a dude that's a nice second or third scoring option.

[ducks]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD7gkJmUMAACI7f?format=jpg

[AFBlue]

Milutinov has skipped Eurobasket to work out with Spurs. Unsure of buyout but we need a dive man who can play D.

Interesting. Don't take this the wrong way, but is there a story or tweet to corroborate?

[ducks]

882399989082750976rose will be a clipper
Clippers if rose and Blake stay healthy watch out

[AFBlue]

rose will be a clipper
Clippers if rose and Blake stay healthy watch out

That's a gigantic "if", and I also wonder how much losing Redick will hurt them in the short term.

[Down Under]

Interesting. Don't take this the wrong way, but is there a story or tweet to corroborate?
Sorry mate

http://www.sportando.com/en/national-teams/national-teams/239680/nikola-jokic-nikola-milutinov-nemanja-bjelica-and-dangubic-won-t-play-for-serbia-at-eurobasket.html?rel=related_desktop

[HarlemHeat37]

rose will be a clipper
Clippers if rose and Blake stay healthy watch out

:lol this isn't 2011..Rose is terrible, tbh..

[ducks]

Be intersting to know if he got along with blake

[KDKSpurs24]

:lol this isn't 2011..Rose is terrible, tbh..
No he's not..

[cjw]

Milutinov has skipped Eurobasket to work out with Spurs. Unsure of buyout but we need a dive man who can play D.

Would be great to sign him on rookie scale this year. Under control for five years cheap and no need to dip into an exception / cap space to sign him.

[AFBlue]

Sorry mate

http://www.sportando.com/en/national-teams/national-teams/239680/nikola-jokic-nikola-milutinov-nemanja-bjelica-and-dangubic-won-t-play-for-serbia-at-eurobasket.html?rel=related_desktop

Thanks! :tu

I hope that's a positive sign for him crossing the pond. As it stands now, were likely losing Dedmon. I hope we bring Lee back, but Milutinov would bring good young depth.

[HarlemHeat37]

No he's not..

He ranks among the worst players in the league in virtually all on/off numbers..he's one of the most cancerous players in the league, can't shoot, can't pass, no semblance of team basketball, no defense..

If he accepted a role of scoring punch off the bench, he could work, but he isn't going to buy into that..

[Down Under]

Thanks! :tu

I hope that's a positive sign for him crossing the pond. As it stands now, were likely losing Dedmon. I hope we bring Lee back, but Milutinov would bring good young depth.
If this is really a bridging year, we really need him over here for a year until he gets used to playing in this system. If we're going to change our style back to more ball movement, we desperately need big who can roll to the basket besides Lee.

[timtonymanu]

People still think Rose is a valuable player in 2017? Lmao

[Down Under]

Would be great to sign him on rookie scale this year. Under control for five years cheap and no need to dip into an exception / cap space to sign him.
Get him over now!

[timtonymanu]

Sign me up for Mulitinov. I don't want dogshit Gasol back

[Down Under]

He ranks among the worst players in the league in virtually all on/off numbers..he's one of the most cancerous players in the league, can't shoot, can't pass, no semblance of team basketball, no defense..

If he accepted a role of scoring punch off the bench, he could work, but he isn't going to buy into that..
That's a smackdown :lol

[ducks]

Watch rose get more then patty that would be funny

[Down Under]

I know having 4 Centres (counting LMA) & 4 Point guards is not good roster balance, but I'd be real keen to take a flier on Tiago. He should be available for minimum given he's been chronically injured for 2 seasons. If he actually gets on the court, I still think he could be productive enough given he's only 32, unless his body is just totally cactus.

[HarlemHeat37]

Omri Casspi, what a nice, cheap, low-key signing, tbh..light years ahead..

[cd98]

Can't wait until we get to 250 pages for the Spurs next move...likely announcement will be new contract with Gasol.

[timtonymanu]

Omri Casspi, what a nice, cheap, low-key signing, tbh..light years ahead..

Easy life being a GM in the Los Angeles/bay area

[KDKSpurs24]

He ranks among the worst players in the league in virtually all on/off numbers..he's one of the most cancerous players in the league, can't shoot, can't pass, no semblance of team basketball, no defense..

If he accepted a role of scoring punch off the bench, he could work, but he isn't going to buy into that..
The stuff you mentioned is true. But that does make him TERRIBLE. He's still very hard to guard and can drive past anyone. So yeah I was meaning scoring off the bench. If he's even capable of doing that in your opinion, then terrible can't possibly apply to him. Yeah it wouldn't be certain he could buy into that but he's capable and that is the key word in this situation. Terrible is someone like Anthony Bennett :lol

[raybies]

Boston shopping smart. Please get him PATFO

[gambit1990]

it's mind numbing that the spurs had an interest in rose. surprised jerry west is interested too.

[raybies]

882395122343849984

[DPG21920]

Omri Casspi, what a nice, cheap, low-key signing, tbh..light years ahead..

It's ri-damn-diculous how GS is continuing to improve. Casspi on a league min deal??? WTF man. That is the type of wing SA should be stockpiling for depth.

[raybies]

it's mind numbing that the spurs had an interest in rose. surprised jerry west is interested too.
Been saying it's low risk high reward... 1+1 affordable deal

[gambit1990]

Been saying it's low risk high reward... 1+1 affordable deal
i'm not even sure i've ever seen rose pass the ball to porzingis.

hopefully the spurs have moved on. the spurs bench won't be big enough for rose + parker.

[raybies]

i'm not even sure i've ever seen rose pass the ball to porzingis.

hopefully the spurs have moved on. the spurs bench won't be big enough rose + parker.
Was there recent interest or just what they said in the past?

[gambit1990]

Was there recent interest or just what they said in the past?
there was a thread about the subject made before the spurs signed resigned pattty.

[raybies]

there was a thread about the subject made before the spurs signed resigned pattty.
yeah that's old... I have no doubt they have moved on from that when they resigned Patty. Doesn't make sense now

[raybies]

Brooklyn the team that consistently maxes role players that their current team has to match. They are a mess. lol But the jokes on me. When Washington matches next will be KCP, then Simmons.

[LakerHater]

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[Clipper Nation]

it's mind numbing that the spurs had an interest in rose. surprised jerry west is interested too.

This is a Doc move all the way, not a West move.

[raybies]

i hate this new NBA man. People just ain't built like they use to. I feel for the Jazz for real though. Could've been us with DRob and Duncan. We should be concerned about Kawhi if he doesn't sign the Supermax when he's available. This new NBA generation wants to play with friends and group up. Even a guy like Hayward left a great organization like Utah. Well at least they have done well drafting and surrounding him with talent. They just made the 5th seed after not making the playoffs. Bright future and he still leaves. Spurs on notice...

[Chinook]

The thing that worries me about Gay is that OKC has the MLE IIRC, and they still need more. That takes the Spurs out the running -- or at least it should. Dunno where the team would pivot after that. Evans? Still wondering if the team has an outstanding offer to Dedmon, whose market has been so bad that I'm not sure he's worth the full MLE anymore.

[raybies]

The thing that worries me about Gay is that OKC has the MLE IIRC, and they still need more. That takes the Spurs out the running -- or at least it should. Dunno where the team would pivot after that. Evans? Still wondering if the team has an outstanding offer to Dedmon, whose market has been so bad that I'm not sure he's worth the full MLE anymore.
Would love Evans. Probably plan b after Simmons. They have a similar game.

[tdunk21]

Anyone know where do we currently stand with out capspace? when can we use the MLE?

[BatManu20]

Sean Marks :lol


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[Chinook]

Anyone know where do we currently stand with out capspace? when can we use the MLE?

Whenever some takes it.

[rjv]

Easy life being a GM in the Los Angeles/bay area must be why the Clippers have all those titles.

[cjw]

Evans is actually five days younger than Simmons. But Spurs can keep Simmons and get a MLE guy, or get Evans and have less/no remaining MLE.


:lol

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It's actually smart. Washington has to match so why not force team in your division to overpay?

[raybies]

Evans is actually five days younger than Simmons. But Spurs can keep Simmons and get a MLE guy, or get Evans and have less/no remaining MLE.
its pretty much a forgone conclusion in my estimation that that Mid Level goes to Pau anyhow

[Nathan89]

Casspi is the reason GSW is going to win next year.:lol

[cjw]

its pretty much a forgone conclusion in my estimation that that Mid Level goes to Pau anyhow

They can sign Pau to a non-Bird deal. So not needed.

[raybies]

Free agent forward Patrick Patterson has agreed to a three-year, $16.4M deal with the Oklahoma City Thunder, league sources tell ESPN.

[loveforthegame]

Casspi and now Patterson gone. Damn.

[LakerHater]

Damn Patterson woulda bn a good pick up for the spurs

[Robz4000]

Really like Patterson for OKC. Damn.

[bklynspursfan]

Does that take OKC out of the running for Gay now?

[Kindergarten Cop]

So does the Patterson signing hurt OKC's chances of picking up Gay (or at least take away their financial leverage)?

[gambit1990]

This is a Doc move all the way, not a West move.
makes sense now :lol

[timtonymanu]

Gasol and Manu it is

[sasaint]

Evans is actually five days younger than Simmons. But Spurs can keep Simmons and get a MLE guy, or get Evans and have less/no remaining MLE.



It's actually smart. Washington has to match so why not force team in your division to overpay?


Or let Porter go and sign JSimms?

[Nathan89]

Spurs would've been paying Patty 3yrs 24mil if they didn't jump the gun.

[Clipper Nation]

makes sense now :lol

I mean, think about it:

Former Eastern All-Star from Doc's Celtics days? Check.
Washed-up and old? Check.
Injury-prone? Check.
Will block younger players from getting playing time? Check.

It's classic Doc.

[coachmac87]

Spurs would've been paying Patty 3yrs 24mil if they didn't jump the gun.

Not true...quit hatin

[noles1983]

Spurs would've been paying Patty 3yrs 24mil if they didn't jump the gun.

Wish they were not paying him at all

[apalisoc_9]

Can the Spurs trade Simmons and Kyle for future picks including their own pick and ship those picks to Boston for a 27 year old Crowder.

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Boston is aggressively looking to Shed Salary.

[LakerHater]

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[mo7888]

What's the thinking in Boston looking to trade these guys? They had room to sign Hayward outright. So is this upcoming trade more to do with shedding salary or moving wing guys to add frontcourt depth? They are thin upfront without Amir or olynyk.

[picnroll]

Looks like the Spurs don't intend to compete this. Year.

[ducks]

Simmons is a restricted fa

[apalisoc_9]

What's the thinking in Boston looking to trade these guys? They had room to sign Hayward outright. So is this upcoming trade more to do with shedding salary or moving wing guys to add frontcourt depth? They are thin upfront without Amir or olynyk.

They need to shed salary to make room for Hayward.

They have way too many SFs.

Hayward
Brown
Tatum
Crowder

[ducks]

What's the thinking in Boston looking to trade these guys? They had room to sign Hayward outright. So is this upcoming trade more to do with shedding salary or moving wing guys to add frontcourt depth? They are thin upfront without Amir or olynyk.they gave him the max they had to renounce on guy already

[sasaint]

Simmons is a restricted fa

So is Porter...

[NASpurs]

Presti's making moves to battle the Warriors while Pop and RC keep putting on knee pads to blow them.

[Atl Spur]

Trust our brain trust; team building is what we do! We will make some moves guaranteed👍🏾

[ducks]

Can the Spurs trade Simmons and Kyle for future picks including their own pick and ship those picks to Boston for a 27 year old Crowder.

Kawhi-Murray-Green-Crowder-Aldridge

Boston is aggressively looking to Shed Salary. he is trying to trade Simmons
Simmons would have to agree since he is a restricted fa

[apalisoc_9]

Send Milutnov, trade kyle for picks.

Send spurs 2019 first and Second Round plus 2020 first and whatever other picks you can fetch and Milutonov to the Celtics for Crowder.

They're trying to trade him to shed Salary. The spurs have enough room if Manu isn't a slefish old man and Pau gets less than 6 a year.

[ducks]

Presti's making moves to battle the Warriors while Pop and RC keep putting on knee pads to blow them.

He better be to convince Paul to stay

[NASpurs]

Trust our brain trust; team building is what we do! We will make some moves guaranteed

No offense but

:lmao

[NASpurs]

He better be to convince Paul to stay

Yeah let's hope they do the same when it's Kawhi's turn to leave.

[sasaint]

he is trying to trade Simmons
Simmons would have to agree since he is a restricted fa

Simmons would have to sign with the Spurs before he could be traded.

[Atl Spur]

Patience will help us in the end; presti's damn feet are in the fire...... He has somehow lost two top 10 nba players, no championships but some of you still have taken out your knee pads🤔

[cjw]

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Money is drying up out there, and still some other names on the board that teams with cap space may spend on. Right now it's only a handful of teams with more than the MLE to offer to Simmons. This is good news if they hope to work out a more team friendly deal.



Or let Porter go and sign JSimms?

They only have the MLE to do so. So nothing outrageous for Simmons from Washington.

[Atl Spur]

Send Milutnov, trade kyle for picks.

Send spurs 2019 first and Second Round plus 2020 first and whatever other picks you can fetch and Milutonov to the Celtics for Crowder.

They're trying to trade him to shed Salary. The spurs have enough room if Manu isn't a slefish old man and Pau gets less than 6 a year.

Hell no!!! Crowder ain't worth that

[cd98]

Patience will help us in the end; presti's damn feet are in the fire...... He has somehow lost two top 10 nba players, no championships but some of you still have taken out your knee pads樂

He lost both of those players thanks to loopholes that were fixed in subsequent collective bargaining deals. Those weren't his fault.

[sasaint]

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Money is drying up out there, and still some other names on the board that teams with cap space may spend on. Right now it's only a handful of teams with more than the MLE to offer to Simmons. This is good news if they hope to work out a more team friendly deal.




They only have the MLE to do so. So nothing outrageous for Simmons from Washington.

:tu

[DPG21920]

Honestly, as much as I think SA keeping LMA is 99% the right move, I feel with them being so damn quiet after the leaks of LMA being unhappy came out that something may be brewing now on that front.

[Ice009]

It's ri-damn-diculous how GS is continuing to improve. Casspi on a league min deal??? WTF man. That is the type of wing SA should be stockpiling for depth.

Spurs could have got him as a free agent towards the end of last season after he got cut from the Pelicans and healed up quicker than expected and they passed him up. I guess they were not interested in him at all. Someone mentioned RC told him once that he'd be a Spur one day. There was the perfect chance to get him towards the end of last season and it doesn't seem they showed any interest at all.

Who the F are the Spurs interested in?

[Atl Spur]

No offense but

:lmao

I'm happy with these dudes; I don't/can't see the whole picture........ so I'll just wait👍🏾

[ducks]

Maybe LMA for suns 4 pick in draft

[Atl Spur]

Honestly, as much as I think SA keeping LMA is 99% the right move, I feel with them being so damn quiet after the leaks of LMA being unhappy came out that something may be brewing now on that front.

This

[Mr. Body]

Honestly, as much as I think SA keeping LMA is 99% the right move, I feel with them being so damn quiet after the leaks of LMA being unhappy came out that something may be brewing now on that front.

Strangely, those are exactly the signs of nothing happening, too.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Looks like the Spurs don't intend to compete this. Year.

It's starting to get rather bazaar and depressing. After all the draft night noise around Green and Aldridge, so far... crickets.

The front office needs to be focused on maximizing every year of Kawhi's prime.

[NASpurs]

Strangely, those are exactly the signs of nothing happening, too.

:lol

Pretty much standing pat.

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[ECOV]

This

tbh I'm being patient as much as possible , this has been a crazy off season so far .

[RD2191]

Strangely, those are exactly the signs of nothing happening, too.

:lmao

[ECOV]

the spurs are going to be fine.

[spurs10]

Honestly, as much as I think SA keeping LMA is 99% the right move, I feel with them being so damn quiet after the leaks of LMA being unhappy came out that something may be brewing now on that front.
I still have my doubts about the validity of the rumors, but if true there is likely something "brewing." The silence has been a bit deafening.

[NASpurs]

Oh well whatever, I'm just glad not to be a Jazz fan, especially tonight. :lol