Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[DPG21920]

Strangely, those are exactly the signs of nothing happening, too.

This is true :lol. But we will see.

[picnroll]

Bizarre is fight. I'm beginning to wonder if Holt is going all Donald Sterling on us.

[cd98]

Bizarre is fight. I'm beginning to wonder if Holt is going all Donald Sterling on us.

Im thinking this is the Spurs not having the assets or any buzz. When Rockets got Paul it became a destination like SA did when LMA first joined. And the signings? They have limited cap space and they want to have max space next summer so I guess they bargain shop on one year deals after everyone spends all their cash. They are hoping for a David Lee find like last year.

[daslicer]

It's ri-damn-diculous how GS is continuing to improve. Casspi on a league min deal??? WTF man. That is the type of wing SA should be stockpiling for depth.

They are going to get guys who are willing to play for 1 dollar for the opportunity to win a ring. They are riding a similar wave that Miami was riding with Lebron by getting vets who are willing to play for cheap. Lakers benefited from the same type of wave during the '00s when they were able to get bargain deals on vets who were also ring chasers. Nothing amazing about ring whores signing with them. It is what is. This storm will eventually come to pass.

[DPG21920]

What's the thinking in Boston looking to trade these guys? They had room to sign Hayward outright. So is this upcoming trade more to do with shedding salary or moving wing guys to add frontcourt depth? They are thin upfront without Amir or olynyk.

They did not have enough room for Hayward max as was. They needed to waive Kelly and make a small trade.

[tonight...you]

rose will be a clipper
Clippers if rose and Blake stay healthy watch out
Watch out for what?

[sasaint]

They are going to get guys who are willing to play for 1 dollar for the opportunity to win a ring. They are riding a similar wave that Miami was riding with Lebron by getting vets who are willing to play for cheap. Lakers benefited from the same type of wave during the '00s when they were able to get bargain deals on vets who were also ring chasers. Nothing amazing about ring whores signing with them. It is what is. This storm will eventually come to pass.

Short memories.

[mo7888]

They did not have enough room for Hayward max as was. They needed to waive Kelly and make a small trade.

I see that now. I still wonder if they are looking for a frontline player instead of just a salary dump since they are unbalanced wings to bigs.

[Ice009]

Are most signings announced during the day? Are we likely to get any more announcements late at night?

[cd98]

On paper, it looks like Rockets and Thunder may have leap frogged SA and T'Wolves knocking on the door too.

[SPURt]

Would you trade Murray and a pick for Bradley/Crowder?

[tholdren]

On paper, it looks like Rockets and Thunder may have leap frogged SA and T'Wolves knocking on the door too.

Lol . No

[Spurs9]

LMA for Gobert? Maybe with free agents drying up LMA's value increases with potential trades.

[SpursforSix]

On paper, it looks like Rockets and Thunder may have leap frogged SA and T'Wolves knocking on the door too.

No one leapfrogged the Spurs. But they closed the gap and made a playoff series much tougher. Spurs didn't do anything while GSW got better.

[SAGirl]

Sean Marks :lol


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ah well. they are in a very bad situation. Otto is still a young player, has gotten better each season, and they really need to pay someone. It could be worse. They could have given an outrageous offer to Simmons (not to diss on him, but he's an older player.) If I had to pay some roleplayer, let him at least be young, and someone who can shoot.

[cd98]

No one leapfrogged the Spurs. But they closed the gap and made a playoff series much tougher. Spurs didn't do anything while GSW got better.

Thunder got much better. We struggled a little to beat them last year, and now they got way better. Rockets...don't know how it will mesh, but on paper, Harden and Paul gives them two elite players with their shooters still there and space to add some ring chasers. T'Wolves are much improved, but I think they need a year to mesh.

[NASpurs]

ah well. they are in a very bad situation. Otto is still a young player, has gotten better each season, and they really need to pay someone. It could be worse. They could have given an outrageous offer to Simmons (not to diss on him, but he's an older player.) If I had to pay some roleplayer, let him at least be young, and someone who can shoot.

RFA, the Wizards are going to match that.

[Hoops Czar]

Thunder got much better. We struggled a little to beat them last year, and now they got way better. Rockets...don't know how it will mesh, but on paper, Harden and Paul gives them two elite players with their shooters still there and space to add some ring chasers. T'Wolves are much improved, but I think they need a year to mesh.

I'm going to die laughing if RC put all his eggs in the Simmons basket and he signs elsewhere.

[SAGirl]

Spurs would've been paying Patty 3yrs 24mil if they didn't jump the gun.

that.. or Patty could have gone to Philly instead of JJ Reddick bc I think that was Patty's leverage (same as manu for getting the $14 mill last season).

Then Spurs could have paid a little more but for less years and taken HIll instead. /sigh or just gone a whole different direction entirely.

[TheDoctor]

I'm going to die laughing if RC put all his eggs in the Simmons basket and he signs elsewhere.
Remember that he's restricted. Spurs control his destiny.

[sasaint]

Would you trade Murray and a pick for Bradley/Crowder?

Yes. But Boston would not under normal circumstances...

[tholdren]

Thunder got much better. We struggled a little to beat them last year, and now they got way better. Rockets...don't know how it will mesh, but on paper, Harden and Paul gives them two elite players with their shooters still there and space to add some ring chasers. T'Wolves are much improved, but I think they need a year to mesh.

Thunder got some punk loser who is already talking about leaving. Houston is just aau basketball. Wolves are growing.

[Ice009]

Would you trade Murray and a pick for Bradley/Crowder?

Yes, I would do that immediately if it was available.


Thunder got some punk loser who is already talking about leaving. Houston is just aau basketball. Wolves are growing.

What, is Paul George still talking about leaving even after the trade?

[Hoops Czar]

Remember that he's restricted. Spurs control his destiny.
Technically yes, but I'm not sure RC will go much higher than the qualifying offer. If some team offers 12M-15M, Spurs probably won't match.

[cd98]

I'm going to die laughing if RC put all his eggs in the Simmons basket and he signs elsewhere.

Simmons is eh, but if he leaves, there FA market is bare and our Summer League hopefuls suck.

[MannyIsGod]

Would you trade Murray and a pick for Bradley/Crowder?

No. The Spurs have to go all in on Murray and future picks. They won't get anywhere by trading them away. Assuming a max contract next year plust Kawhai's supermax then they have to fill the roster with good first round picks that contribute. The Spurs aren't going to get players the way GS does.

[ceperez]

Too bad... OKC just snapped up Patrick Patterson http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246752/Patrick-Patterson-Agrees-To-Three-Year-$164M-Deal-With-Thunder

Decent signing.

Very disappointed that PATFO can't get any decent deals.

[cd98]

Thunder got some punk loser who is already talking about leaving. Houston is just aau basketball. Wolves are growing.

That punk loser is damn good. He killed it against the Spurs, but his team sucked. He'll be much better with the Thunder.

[TimDunkem]

People are delusional if they think the Spurs won't at least struggle against OKC. They've owned our ass since they moved to OKC. They backdoor swept us I'm 2012. They nearly won in 2014. They out rebounded us to death in 2015 despite everyone here saying that we had that series in the bag. Without Durant, we still struggled against them. Now they have super Westbrook, still have Adams who's arguably a better big man than anyone on our team, Kanter coming off the bench, and now Paul George who, although not as good as Durant, is still a top 5 SF in the league.

The Spurs would not be overwhelming favorites against them. :lmao

[Hoops Czar]

No. The Spurs have to go all in on Murray and future picks. They won't get anywhere by trading them away. Assuming a max contract next year plust Kawhai's supermax then they have to fill the roster with good first round picks that contribute. The Spurs aren't going to get players the way GS does.
I agree that Murray needs more time but do you remember when people said the same about CoJo? He was an asset the Spurs had in their back pocket and they let his contract run out and got nothing for him.

[tdunk21]

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Crawford anyone?

[SPURt]

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Crawford anyone?
No thanks

[TheDoctor]

Technically yes, but I'm not sure RC will go much higher than the qualifying offer. If some team offers 12M-15M, Spurs probably won't match.
If that's the case, then the Spurs didn't put all their eggs in the Simmons basket? We'll see I guess.

[Hoops Czar]

Too bad... OKC just snapped up Patrick Patterson http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246752/Patrick-Patterson-Agrees-To-Three-Year-$164M-Deal-With-Thunder

Decent signing.

Very disappointed that PATFO can't get any decent deals.

Holly shit!!! How the hell is 3 years and 164M a decent deal? That's like 54M a year. Presti just got destroyed. :lmao

[TheDoctor]

Too bad... OKC just snapped up Patrick Patterson http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/246752/Patrick-Patterson-Agrees-To-Three-Year-$164M-Deal-With-Thunder

Decent signing.

Very disappointed that PATFO can't get any decent deals.

3yr/164M?!? Typo right?

[Clipper Nation]

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Crawford anyone?
D:lol it, PATFO!

[SAGirl]

Honestly, as much as I think SA keeping LMA is 99% the right move, I feel with them being so damn quiet after the leaks of LMA being unhappy came out that something may be brewing now on that front.

I hope. AT this point, I am unsatisfied with them standing pat as I have expressed everywhere.
But I am king of expecting Simms to eventually find out MLE is the best he can do right now. At worst, if he really wants to gamble to get paid next season do a 1 and 1 (kinda like Waiters and bet on himself being more consistent and increase interest for next offseason, when 2018 is rumored to be such a down FA class anyways), then sign Pau, sign some center and move on.

[DPG21920]

Holly shit!!! How the hell is 3 years and 164M a decent deal? That's like 54M a year. Presti just got destroyed. :lmao

Dude - that link is wrong. It's 3 years 16M

[tholdren]

That punk loser is damn good. He killed it against the Spurs, but his team sucked. He'll be much better with the Thunder.

Who cares? You start sacrificing character for talent, you screw yourself in the end. You win the right way with the right people or it dont mean a thing. Hopefully you will recognize that.

[SuperCam]

People are delusional if they think the Spurs won't at least struggle against OKC. They've owned our ass since they moved to OKC. They backdoor swept us I'm 2012. They nearly won in 2014. They out rebounded us to death in 2015 despite everyone here saying that we had that series in the bag. Without Durant, we still struggled against them. Now they have super Westbrook, still have Adams who's arguably a better big man than anyone on our team, Kanter coming off the bench, and now Paul George who, although not as good as Durant, is still a top 5 SF in the league.

The Spurs would not be overwhelming favorites against them. :lmao

damn that's some mighty fine truth nuking right there :wow


Adams against petulant LMA and ancient Gasoft could get ugly :bang

[tholdren]

damn that's some mighty fine truth nuking right there :wow


Adams against petulant LMA and ancient Gasoft could get ugly :bang

So you really think pg will play beta role?

[Hoops Czar]

Dude - that link is wrong. It's 3 years 16M

Can't see the link on my phone. Anyways, it only makes the Thunder marginally better.

[TimDunkem]

damn that's some mighty fine truth nuking right there :wow


Adams against petulant LMA and ancient Gasoft could get ugly :bang
People here have fucking amnesia. Adams and Kanter always have big games against us. And with LMA still fat and Gasol a year older? Forget it. The only advantage we have against them is Kawhi over George. Won't stop Westbrook from eating Fatty and Murray alive though. :lol

[Nathan89]

People are delusional if they think the Spurs won't at least struggle against OKC. They've owned our ass since they moved to OKC. They backdoor swept us I'm 2012. They nearly won in 2014. They out rebounded us to death in 2015 despite everyone here saying that we had that series in the bag. Without Durant, we still struggled against them. Now they have super Westbrook, still have Adams who's arguably a better big man than anyone on our team, Kanter coming off the bench, and now Paul George who, although not as good as Durant, is still a top 5 SF in the league.

The Spurs would not be overwhelming favorites against them. :lmao

Agreed. Kanter will actually be useful vs us. Our offense is going to struggle a lot vs them. The longer I think about it the more bleak it gets tbh.

[steeledl]

Agreed. Kanter will actually be useful vs us. Our offense is going to struggle a lot vs them. The longer I think about it the more bleak it gets tbh.

We are the third best team in the West but there are other teams that can give us matchup problems. Overall, it really doesn't matter. We aren't making it to the ship til the Dubs are dissembled. If that doesn't happen soon, Kawhi's prime will be lost years. Really not a lot NBA teams can do but wait right now.

[cd98]

Who cares? You start sacrificing character for talent, you screw yourself in the end. You win the right way with the right people or it dont mean a thing. Hopefully you will recognize that.

I don't know of any character issues. He was due to be a free agent and he told Indiana exactly what he planned to do and gave them an opportunity to trade him and get something back. People don't like players leaving in free agency, but welcome to the new reality of the NBA. He played hard for Indiana and they never got enough talent to win and he wanted to go else where. That's not a character issue.

[steeledl]

Have any of you tools actually read every post in this thread?

[SAGirl]

I don't know of any character issues. He was due to be a free agent and he told Indiana exactly what he planned to do and gave them an opportunity to trade him and get something back. People don't like players leaving in free agency, but welcome to the new reality of the NBA. He played hard for Indiana and they never got enough talent to win and he wanted to go else where. That's not a character issue.

Frankly better what he did, than be Hayward... bottom line. Hayward didn't give advance notice, told the team to sign some ppl to play with him, and left a team that still had made the playoffs in the tough west and had young talent in the pipeline. Paul George left a much worse situation and the FO (Larry Bird) had destroyed a team that got to the ECF and mismanaged them.

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs will be lucky if they make it out of the 1st round next year.

Presti & Morey are cooking this summer

[raybies]

The more I think about it, OKC might actually have a good chance at keeping George. If they finish with a top record and Paul benefits from Russell like the rest of the team did last year, he should have great stats and give himself a chance at an All NBA team. That supermax might be tempting. Imagine... OKC getting George for Oladipo and Sabonis and he resigns. A year is a long time. Basically a Beauty and the Beast scenario. They got him locked up for a year and the petals are falling. Can they make him fall in love and break the curse...

[ducks]

No thanks

Their are no game changers good role players out there

[LakerHater]

Crawford wants to be a laker!

[raybies]

I'd seriously watch Miami right now. I got this feeling Pat might want to make a splash after getting looked over by Hayward and Boston getting the guy. Hope it's Aldridge. I just find it hard to believe we just keep him, with his house for sale, wanting out and risk losing him for nothing. Maybe DPG is right and there's something about how eerily quiet it is.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I'd seriously watch Miami right now. I got this feeling Pat might want to make a splash after getting looked over by Hayward and Boston getting the guy. Hope it's Aldridge. I just find it hard to believe we just keep him, with his house for sale, wanting out and risk losing him for nothing. Maybe DPG is right and there's something about how eerily quiet it is.

Sadly though, Aldridge is better than any of the remaining FAs, so we'd likely just be losing an expiring (assuming he opts out) for far lesser talent - unless you're thinking Miami would be sending decent players back (which I don't think makes sense for them). Time will tell though.

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs will be lucky if they make it out of the 1st round next year.

Presti & Morey are cooking this summer

Damn MNT, hey aren't the only ones. Save some of these truth bombs for the regular season.

[raybies]

Sadly though, Aldridge is better than any of the remaining FAs, so we'd likely just be losing an expiring (assuming he opts out) for far lesser talent - unless you're thinking Miami would be sending decent players back (which I don't think makes sense for them). Time will tell though.
I pretty much think Miami is our only hope. Welp. I doubt Aldridge is traded mid season, but I guess there is S&T scenarios next year with a lot of the top teams not having cap. Oh well. Guess we wait for Simmons and it could be a week. He'll probably wait for Brooklyn's money to be tied up first. PATFO probably doesn't give one care how long it takes to settle this all. They have a number and they are sticking to it and Simmons camp probably feel the same. Once the money is tied up and Simmons realize he has to come down the Spurs will look like the heroes for keeping their offer when they could go down. 4/36 mill

[SAGirl]

I'd seriously watch Miami right now. I got this feeling Pat might want to make a splash after getting looked over by Hayward and Boston getting the guy. Hope it's Aldridge. I just find it hard to believe we just keep him, with his house for sale, wanting out and risk losing him for nothing. Maybe DPG is right and there's something about how eerily quiet it is.

Good guess, but what can they give up? I know nothing of Miami's situation right now.
Aldridge unfollowed the spurs, deleted a bunch of tweets from the timeline that he first joined the team, put his house on sale, was rumored to have had a negative exit interview, was definitely shopped, his camp made noise that the Spurs affected his game negatively, his brouhaha affected at least Chris Paul that we know of from considering the Spurs etc.

He's a team cancer. Spurs need to move on.

[SAGirl]

I pretty much think Miami is our only hope. Welp. I doubt Aldridge is traded mid season, but I guess there is S&T scenarios next year with a lot of the top teams not having cap. Oh well. Guess we wait for Simmons and it could be a week. He'll probably wait for Brooklyn's money to be tied up first. PATFO probably doesn't give one care how long it takes to settle this all. They have a number and they are sticking to it and Simmons camp probably feel the same. Once the money is tied up and Simmons realize he has to come down the Spurs will look like the heroes for keeping their offer when they could go down. 4/36 mill

I doubt that outcome, but we'll see. I don't have any stake on this but the offer was 2 and 1 PO, which is a fine offer.

[timtonymanu]

Even a small market like OKC can get stuff done, people just making excuses for PATFO. They went from biggest threat to the Warriors to first round fodder.

[TimDunkem]

Even a small market like OKC can get stuff done, people just making excuses for PATFO. They went from biggest threat to the Warriors to first round fodder.
Even the Warriors aren't standing pat. :lmao

[raybies]

Even a small market like OKC can get stuff done, people just making excuses for PATFO. They went from biggest threat to the Warriors to first round fodder.
not you too. my gosh.

alot of disappointed Spurs fans around here. Scared of the big bad name. We've been the underdogs more often than not and you guys are pissing and moaning about the best run franchise in Pro SPorts arguably. Gah, it's so annoying. We are overachievers, hard workers and disciplined. Intangibles and chemistry don't get enough love around here not to mention we got a top 3 player in the NBA on our squad

[duncan2150]

I don't understand Why people are so high on patterson and casspi... Waaaw

[therealtruth]

Chris Bosh was just waived. He might not be a bad option if he can still play.

[Mal]

Even a small market like OKC can get stuff done, people just making excuses for PATFO. They went from biggest threat to the Warriors to first round fodder.

By staying put, with same roster. But if Spurs secure HCA in 1st round, I cannot see them losing in 1st round

[r0drig0lac]

I don't know of any character issues. He was due to be a free agent and he told Indiana exactly what he planned to do and gave them an opportunity to trade him and get something back. People don't like players leaving in free agency, but welcome to the new reality of the NBA. He played hard for Indiana and they never got enough talent to win and he wanted to go else where. That's not a character issue.

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[ceperez]

I don't understand Why people are so high on patterson and casspi... Waaaw

For the money that's being paid to these two guys, it is upsetting that competitors are picking them up. These teams are smart teams and they know what they are doing.

So people should be rightfully upset that the Spurs can't seem to land any cheap free agents. Spurs got a ton of rookies that can barely play in summer league. It's very upsetting.

[ceperez]

Dude - that link is wrong. It's 3 years 16M

$5.4m per year looks not bad for a guy with his size and can shoot the 3. Meanwhile, Spurs are loaded with undersized guards.

Getting impatient now!

[ace3g]

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The Jazz and free agent forward James Johnson have mutual interest, League Sources tell The Salt Lake Tribune

[ace3g]

With the amount of FAs the Spurs have this summer, they obviously have to make some moves; like others have said it just seems way too quiet.

Restricted
Jonathon Simmons (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2579466/jonathon-simmons)

Unrestricted
Joel Anthony (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3247/joel-anthony)
Dewayne Dedmon (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2580913/dewayne-dedmon)
Pau Gasol (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/996/pau-gasol)
Manu Ginobili (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/272/manu-ginobili)
David Lee (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee)

[duncan2150]

For the money that's being paid to these two guys, it is upsetting that competitors are picking them up. These teams are smart teams and they know what they are doing.

So people should be rightfully upset that the Spurs can't seem to land any cheap free agents. Spurs got a ton of rookies that can barely play in summer league. It's very upsetting.

But they are not additions that would make spurs better

Patterson shoots 40% last year with 71% FT, he's not a good defender inside or a good rebounder, he's not that good even at this price .... casspi is ok but that's not someting that would have up the Spurs.

People are crazy right there , i prefer to stand path , bringing back simmons and dedmon at good price and save some space for 2018 than having a Patterson Type of player.

[cd98]

But they are not additions that would make spurs better

Patterson shoots 40% last year with 71% FT, he's not a good defender inside or a good rebounder, he's not that good even at this price .... casspi is ok but that's not someting that would have up the Spurs.

People are crazy right there , i prefer to stand path , bringing back simmons and dedmon at good price and save some space for 2018 than having a Patterson Type of player.

Patterson probably wouldn't help the Spurs as much, but he will help the Thunder big time given their week perimeter shooting. The problem is the Spurs are not upgrading, they are staying the same.

[tholdren]

With the amount of FAs the Spurs have this summer, they obviously have to make some moves; like others have said it just seems way too quiet.

Restricted
Jonathon Simmons (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2579466/jonathon-simmons)

Unrestricted
Joel Anthony (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3247/joel-anthony)
Dewayne Dedmon (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2580913/dewayne-dedmon)
Pau Gasol (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/996/pau-gasol)
Manu Ginobili (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/272/manu-ginobili)
David Lee (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee)

Would you say simmons is the priority in that group?

[sasaint]

Would you say simmons is the priority in that group?

Indubitably!

[jermaine]

With the amount of FAs the Spurs have this summer, they obviously have to make some moves; like others have said it just seems way too quiet.

Restricted
Jonathon Simmons (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2579466/jonathon-simmons)

Unrestricted
Joel Anthony (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3247/joel-anthony)
Dewayne Dedmon (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2580913/dewayne-dedmon)
Pau Gasol (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/996/pau-gasol)
Manu Ginobili (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/272/manu-ginobili)
David Lee (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee)

I agree... The Spurs are waaaaay to quite. The way I see it, what FA's are also quite?? Those are most likely candidates linked with Spurs. The Spurs aren't gonna get the team off of a verbal agreement.... Tomorrow when people can sign, Spurs will be highly active I pray.

[YGWHI]

I don't know of any character issues. He was due to be a free agent and he told Indiana exactly what he planned to do and gave them an opportunity to trade him and get something back. People don't like players leaving in free agency, but welcome to the new reality of the NBA. He played hard for Indiana and they never got enough talent to win and he wanted to go else where. That's not a character issue.

I wouldn't call them character issues but last playoffs weren't the first time he threw teammates under the bus...CJ Miles, Lance, the Roy Hibbert rumors...It's not like Paul George will be named the best teammate in the league.

Also, his issues about playing at 4, his criticism of his coach in public...

Who knows but it seems he can be a problem in the locker room.

Anyway, I agree with you about Rockets and OKC improved a lot. Wolves, too. They upgraded in critical spots to compete, to make Spurs life harder...

[sasaint]

I wouldn't call them character issues but last playoffs weren't the first time he threw teammates under the bus...CJ Miles, Lance, the Roy Hibbert rumors...It's not like Paul George will be named the best teammate in the league.

Also, his issues about playing at 4, his criticism of his coach in public...

Who knows but it seems he can be a problem in the locker room.

People were dubious that PG could play second banana to Kawhi, and he went to OKC to play with Westchuck! :lol

[picnroll]

People were dubious that PG could play second banana to Kawhi, and he went to OKC to play with Westchuck! :lol

He was traded. I'm sure he'd have preferred to go to LAL and played second banana to Lavar and son.

[yavozerb]

Patterson probably wouldn't help the Spurs as much, but he will help the Thunder big time given their week perimeter shooting. The problem is the Spurs are not upgrading, they are staying the same.

2nd best team in the NBA last season staying the same, horrible. Don't see a legitimate FA move or trade to move SA past GSW this summer. Like the idea of staying put and hoping young players come back stronger

[sasaint]

He was traded. I'm sure he'd have preferred to go to LaK and played second banana to Lavar and son.

I didn't mean to imply that he went to OKC by choice. But the idea that he would settle into a second banana role in the future with Westchuck - :lol.

[Ice009]

NO! I want James Johnson. Fuck.

[sasaint]

2nd best team in the NBA last season staying the same, horrible. Don't see a legitimate FA move or trade to move SA past GSW this summer. Like the idea of staying put and hoping young players come back stronger

Not staying exactly the same. Tony will not be back until the second half of the season. And how diminished his play will be is anybody's guess at this point. The young players HAVE to come back stronger for the Spurs to be any good at all.

Yet, free agency isn't over, and trades are still possible...

[sasaint]

NO! I want James Johnson. Fuck.

Did he sign with Utah? I knew some guys on ST would be disappointed.

[picnroll]

Spurs trying to land Michael Porter or Doncic.

[YGWHI]

People were dubious that PG could play second banana to Kawhi, and he went to OKC to play with Westchuck! :lol
Well, Russ doesn't play at the same PG's position like Kawhi does, Russ never was a rival for PG in the best SF run while Kawhi already surpassed PG.

Plus, one of PG/Kawhi would have to change his natural spot on the court, playing with Russ there is no need to...

Russ and PG, both have high profile, both extroverted guys, maybe PG's personality would contront more with all business Kawhi than crazy Russ

[picnroll]

Kawhi could easily play a SG. SGs trying to matched up with him would be brutal.

[sasaint]

Well, Russ doesn't play at the same PG's position like Kawhi does, Russ never was a rival for PG in the best SF run while Kawhi already surpassed PG.

Plus, one of PG/Kawhi will change his natural spot on the court, playing with Russ there is no need to...

Russ and PG, both have high profile, both extroverted guys, maybe PG's personality would contront more with a all

Even if Boston or Spurs offers were better Indiana won't trade PG to Ainge's team, nor RC/Pop after 2011 trade.

Regardless of position or change of position, Kawhi has proven over his career that he doesn't have to be nearly as ball-dominant as Westchuck. I thought Kawhi might be relieved to have an extroverted, media-centric teammate. In fact the team may have benefitted in that regard. But I agree, Indy was not gonna deal him to us or the Celts.

[sasaint]

Kawhi could easily play a SG. SGs trying to matched up with him would be brutal.

Completely agree. Kawhi at the 2 and PG at the 3 was a no-brainier that would have worked well.

[Ice009]

Kawhi could move to SG or PF. It would be absolutely no problem pairing him with Paul George. That's a silly argument if you're using that as a reason not to get Paul George.

[MaNu4Tres]

Kawhi could move to SG or PF. It would be absolutely no problem pairing him with Paul George. That's a silly argument if you're using that as a reason not to get Paul George.

That's the great thing about the versatility small forwards bring to the table. Small forwards have the versatility to play the 4 or 2. Or in some cases vs. Cavs and Warriors, they can play the 5 as well.

[YGWHI]

Kawhi could move to SG or PF. It would be absolutely no problem pairing him with Paul George. That's a silly argument if you're using that as a reason not to get Paul George.

I'm not using it...But I say why PG can mesh with Russ...Also, I guess that's what PG and his camp can think next season as reason not to join a Kawhi's team.

[picnroll]

I'm sure Spurs will go after Paul as well as Lebron next year. Not that they'll get either one. But in my dreams Kawhi, Paul, Lebron would be a mf and GS would be toast.

[Atl Spur]

Rudy must be on his way........ patience may get us Olynk👍🏾

[Atl Spur]

Boston would be crazy not to call us about LA! LA better fetch us something great!!

[look_at_g_shred]

Which Spurs team is better 2009-2010 or 2017-2018?

[sasaint]

Rudy must be on his way........ patience may get us Olynk����

Rudy? I like Olynik. He breasted against the Cavs.

[cd98]

2nd best team in the NBA last season staying the same, horrible. Don't see a legitimate FA move or trade to move SA past GSW this summer. Like the idea of staying put and hoping young players come back stronger

But will they be the second best team next season when everyone else is upgrading and they aren't?

[sasaint]

Kawhi could move to SG or PF. It would be absolutely no problem pairing him with Paul George. That's a silly argument if you're using that as a reason not to get Paul George.

Don't want Kawhi at PF except in extreme small-ball situations.

[AFBlue]

Spurs trying to land Michael Porter or Doncic.

They would need Kawhi's injury to be MUCH worse than it is.

[Dex]

Which Spurs team is better 2009-2010 or 2017-2018?

Whichever one doesn't have Richard Jefferson starting.

[mo7888]

Yahoo sports is saying a Boston and Memphis Gasol trade bears watching... I'm not sure what Boston would be giving up but, if they are looking for a big to put beside Horford we've got one that I'm sure we could send there way.

[raybies]

Yahoo sports is saying a Boston and Memphis Gasol trade bears watching... I'm not sure what Boston would be giving up but, if they are looking for a big to put beside Horford we've got one that I'm sure we could send there way.
Boston would not give up anything of value. Ainge is stingy

[buttsR4rebounding]

Would you trade Murray and a pick for Bradley/Crowder?

In a heartbeat.

[rastaspur]

Which Spurs team is better 2009-2010 or 2017-2018?

Who is going to guard roger money mason? Kawhi could only hope to contain him.

The years with money mason on the team - I had no confidence in those teams come playoff time.

[baseline bum]

The Spurs need to offer their 2018 pick to Boston to absorb Avery Bradley's contract. Boston has to move one of Crowder, Bradley, or Smart to clear the capspace to sign Hayward, and Bradley's the one it makes sense for them to dump since they won't be able to afford him next summer with luxury tax considerations while Crowder and Smart are on really cap friendly contracts. Then if Simmons re-signs the Spurs could move Green.

[Chinook]

Lol, fuck Bradley. Dude was one of the worst defenders in the league last year. Why toss a third straight first at a guard (this one an expiring vet) AND surrender needed cap space to do something with the five-spot.

[RD2191]

Lol, fuck Bradley. Dude was one of the worst defenders in the league last year. Why toss a third straight first at a guard (this one an expiring vet) AND surrender needed cap space to do something with the five-spot.

Is there anyone not named Danny Green that you actually like? You're what we call a "hater".

[cjw]

The Spurs need to offer their 2018 pick to Boston to absorb Avery Bradley's contract. Boston has to move one of Crowder, Bradley, or Smart to clear the capspace to sign Hayward, and Bradley's the one it makes sense for them to dump since they won't be able to afford him next summer with luxury tax considerations while Crowder and Smart are on really cap friendly contracts. Then if Simmons re-signs the Spurs could move Green.

I like this. Could recoup some of the assets by moving Green. That said, are you more likely to keep Bradley in FA or Green? And at what price?

Bradley is technically up for an extension now while Green isn't, but wouldn't make sense to move him to a higher cap hold.

[Chinook]

Is there anyone not named Danny Green that you actually like? You're what we call a "hater".

Pretty sure you'd call me an "odiador"

[Chinook]

I like this. Could recoup some of the assets by moving Green. That said, are you more likely to keep Bradley in FA or Green? And at what price?

Bradley is technically up for an extension now while Green isn't, but wouldn't make sense to move him to a higher cap hold.

Green's up for an extension thanks to the new CBA.

[look_at_g_shred]

Lol, fuck Bradley. Dude was one of the worst defenders in the league last year. Why toss a third straight first at a guard (this one an expiring vet) AND surrender needed cap space to do something with the five-spot.
The warriors are Bradley's bitch..i'd give up anyone but Kawhi for him.

[Chinook]

The warriors are Bradley's bitch..i'd give up anyone but Kawhi for him.

I'm sure Kerr is still smarting over that 14.5 ppg on 43-percent shooting Bradly put up on them last year.

[cjw]

Green's up for an extension thanks to the new CBA.

Thanks. Thought it was only after third anniversary of signing a deal. Or is that not the case if there's a player option in year 4?

People around the league (and some on this board) are realizing how F'd a bunch of teams are heading into next offseason. Cap space will all get eaten up by rookie extensions and a lot of teams will be pushed well into the tax. Smart of the Spurs not to go into the tax until 2019. Also, players coming off contract next year will be hampered by having a lot less suitors. Could keep cost of Green and LMA down (if even interested in bringing back or coming back).

Take Minnesota for instance. They have one more year of cheap Wiggins and two more of cheap Towns. Come 2019, they'll be paying Teague $20.4 and could be giving Butler/Towns at least $30mm each (Towns should qualify for higher max) and Wiggins $25mm. The Celtics will be really far into the tax unless they recycle vets for younger pieces by then.

[look_at_g_shred]

I'm sure Kerr is still smarting over that 14.5 ppg on 43-percent shooting Bradly put up on them last year.
ok yeah..let's go to the numbers everyone!!! "See I made a point guys!!"

[raybies]

Pretty much what PATFO did to Spurs fans so far this off season
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[Chinook]

Thanks. Thought it was only after third anniversary of signing a deal. Or is that not the case if there's a player option in year 4?

People around the league (and some on this board) are realizing how F'd a bunch of teams are heading into next offseason. Cap space will all get eaten up by rookie extensions and a lot of teams will be pushed well into the tax. Smart of the Spurs not to go into the tax until 2019. Also, players coming off contract next year will be hampered by having a lot less suitors. Could keep cost of Green and LMA down (if even interested in bringing back or coming back).

Take Minnesota for instance. They have one more year of cheap Wiggins and two more of cheap Towns. Come 2019, they'll be paying Teague $20.4 and could be giving Butler/Towns at least $30mm each (Towns should qualify for higher max) and Wiggins $25mm. The Celtics will be really far into the tax unless they recycle vets for younger pieces by then.

TBH, I'm still waiting for the CBA FAQ to be updated, but ESPN said last year that three-year deals can be extended after the second year for up to 120 percent of the previous contract or the MLE. But I'd like to see exactly what it takes to qualify a) and b) If guys on four-year deals like Covington are eligible for a similar contract

[Chinook]

ok yeah..let's go to the numbers everyone!!! "See I made a point guys!!"

You can't say a guy who hasn't done shit against GS is their dom. That's especially true because you're assuming he'd be the second-best player against him when he'd be terrible.

[MaNu4Tres]

The Spurs need to offer their 2018 pick to Boston to absorb Avery Bradley's contract. Boston has to move one of Crowder, Bradley, or Smart to clear the capspace to sign Hayward, and Bradley's the one it makes sense for them to dump since they won't be able to afford him next summer with luxury tax considerations while Crowder and Smart are on really cap friendly contracts. Then if Simmons re-signs the Spurs could move Green.

LOL at thinking a late 2018 1st round pick will be enough to get Bradley. Smart will be the one who is traded.

[DPG21920]

I would definitely take Smart too.

[look_at_g_shred]

You can't say a guy who hasn't done shit against GS is their dom. That's especially true because you're assuming he'd be the second-best player against him when he'd be terrible.

He actually would be though. The best player against them is a given, then assuming we traded LMA and or Green..who'd be next in line? Patty? I mean do we even have anyone on the current squad that averages over 10 a game against them minus Kawhi?

[Chinook]

I would definitely take Smart too.

For a pick, I'd prefer Smart, though again, I'd wish the team hadn't spent two firsts on PGs in back-to-back seasons. Smart was a legit good defender with great switching potential (dude shut down Millsap, for example), as opposed to Bradley, who was so bad on D that he graded out as worst than Parker and Patty by a significant margin.

[Chinook]

He actually would be though. The best player against them is a given, then assuming we traded LMA and or Green..who'd be next in line? Patty? I mean do we even have anyone on the current squad that averages over 10 a game against them minus Kawhi?

LMA averaged 24ppg against the Dubs in games Kawhi played in. Green's already on the team and doesn't require a pick to play.

[look_at_g_shred]

For a pick, I'd prefer Smart, though again, I'd wish the team hadn't spent two firsts on PGs in back-to-back seasons. Smart was a legit good defender with great switching potential (dude shut down Millsap, for example), as opposed to Bradley, who was so bad on D that he graded out as worst than Parker and Patty by a significant margin.
You don't actually believe that though do you? I mean, have you watched Parker and Patty defend??

[look_at_g_shred]

LMA averaged 24ppg against the Dubs in games Kawhi played in. Green's already on the team and doesn't require a pick to play.
Are we really going to sit here and pretend that those 24ppg meant anything? Where were those 24ppg games 2-4??

[Chinook]

You don't actually believe that though do you? I mean, have you watched Parker and Patty defend??

Bradly was that bad last year. I would hope it was a blip or quirk like with Kawhi, but dude's been in decline on D since 2014.

[Chinook]

Are we really going to sit here and pretend that those 24ppg meant anything? Where were those 24ppg games 2-4??

Sure had no chance in those games, so who cares? Second bananas don't have to be great when the top guy gets cheap-shotted out of a series. LMA played well in games where the team actually had a chance to win. If he keeps that up, he'll be a much better play against GS than Bradley

[look_at_g_shred]

Sure had no chance in those games, so who cares? Second bananas don't have to be great when the top guy gets cheap-shotted out of a series. LMA played well in games where the team actually had a chance to win. If he keeps that up, he'll be a much better play against GS than Bradley
Look, I do agree he plays better when Kawhi is out there but there are many a times where the dude is suuuppppeeerr passive. It hurts the team. But that's just who he is. He's not going to change who he is as a player this late in his career. We are gonna have to agree to disagree. But I'd want Bradley on the team over LMA.

[Ice009]

Lol, fuck Bradley. Dude was one of the worst defenders in the league last year. Why toss a third straight first at a guard (this one an expiring vet) AND surrender needed cap space to do something with the five-spot.

I thought Bradly was one of the best defensive PGs in the NBA. Did his defense drop off? or was it not as good as people made it out to be?

[jyra]

882641465914118144

Makes some more sense than the Bulls.

[Chinook]

I thought Bradly was one of the best defensive PGs in the NBA. Did his defense drop off? or was it not as good as people made it out to be?

Both, but the drop-off is real.

[sasaint]

The Spurs need to offer their 2018 pick to Boston to absorb Avery Bradley's contract. Boston has to move one of Crowder, Bradley, or Smart to clear the capspace to sign Hayward, and Bradley's the one it makes sense for them to dump since they won't be able to afford him next summer with luxury tax considerations while Crowder and Smart are on really cap friendly contracts. Then if Simmons re-signs the Spurs could move Green.

On the other hand, the Celts are collecting SFs like we are collecting PGs. Crowder would be my choice.

[jermaine]

When can players officially sign?

[look_at_g_shred]

When can players officially sign?
Tonight 11 CST

[raybies]

Tonight 11 CST
really?

[look_at_g_shred]

really?

Ya

[FlAVaK]

So 7 a.m. Riga time?

[baseline bum]

LOL at thinking a late 2018 1st round pick will be enough to get Bradley. Smart will be the one who is traded.

There is absolutely no way they can afford Bradley. He is the one they'll move. Next summer they'll be paying Horford $29 million, Hayward around $30 million, and Thomas will be getting an extension starting at around $30 million. They'll be paying Tatum almost $7 million, Jaylen Brown has a $5 million option that they're not going to pass on, and their pick from Philly will be making around $6 million. You're at $107 million there for six players. Let's assume they'll keep Crowder since $7 million for him is a steal. So now you're at $114 million for seven players. You're going to pay Bradley $20 million and get your payroll up to $134 million? Not even Cleveland is in that kind of cap hell. But they'll probably want to hold on to Smart since they might have a chance to re-sign him to some reasonable deal next summer.

[baseline bum]

On the other hand, the Celts are collecting SFs like we are collecting PGs. Crowder would be my choice.

Not a chance they'd move him with how reasonable his contract is for the next three years.

[JuneJive]

Larry Coon updated his website.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

[LakerHater]

Free agent guard Nick Young has agreed to a one-year, $5.2M deal with the Golden State Warriors, agent Mark Bartelstein tells ESPN.

[BatManu20]

Warriors signing everybody out here

[r0drig0lac]

swaggy P for gsw

[loveforthegame]

F Nick Young. Spurs signed Mills. We're good.

[Hoops Czar]

Warriors signing everybody out here

Winning a championship in dominating fashion isn't good enough. They want to continue to improve rather than sit on their laurels and remain status quo.

[KDKSpurs24]

Barring injury.. Golden State is a lock to win the championship this year. The people they have signed will fit in perfectly. They will even bring the best out of Nick Young..

[BillMc]

So 7 a.m. Riga time?
:lol

[Chinook]

Larry Coon updated his website.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm

There were a lot of changes to the CBA, and most aren't in there. He only updated a couple of the things we knew seven months ago.

[Chillen]

Only thing that will stop the Warriors from repeating next season are (1) injurys to key players (2) poor or lazy play (3) shots don't fall like they have in seasons past some of the crazy ones from Curry (4) lack of consistent effort on the defensive end (5) LeBron James, Rockets, Spurs or Thunder. They are pretty much a near lock to repeat. They can be beat but it will take a team with lightning in a bottle to do it.

Durant has ruined the NBA, hard to get excited for next season when in the end it's Warriors this, Warriors that.

[Nathan89]

Spurs paying a 6ft 3pt shooter 4yrs 50mil and GSW paying a 6'7 3pt shooter 1 yr 5.2mil.

[Nathan89]

Patty Mills contract is the only thing that really pisses me off about the Spurs so far tbh. Especially because their rookie is going to be better than him by the end of the season. Also the fact that other players are going much cheaper after they jumped the gun.

[Ice009]

Spurs paying a 6ft 3pt shooter 4yrs 50mil and GSW paying a 6'7 3pt shooter 1 yr 5.2mil.

Thanks for pointing that out. Makes me feel great ;).

[Hoops Czar]

There were a lot of changes to the CBA, and most aren't in there. He only updated a couple of the things we knew seven months ago.
Didn't the Spurs get a trade exception for Tiago Splitter? If so, who did they use it on?

[Ice009]

Patty Mills contract is the only thing that really pisses me off about the Spurs so far tbh. Especially because their rookie is going to be better than him by the end of the season. Also the fact that other players are going much cheaper after they jumped the gun.

Yep. That contract has pissed me off big time. I think it was a panic move.

[BatManu20]

Barring injury.. Golden State is a lock to win the championship this year. The people they have signed will fit in perfectly. They will even bring the best out of Nick Young..

Barring injury or Lebron leaving CLE, they're pretty much a lock to win it the next 2 years, tbh.

[objective]

Didn't the Spurs get a trade exception for Tiago Splitter? If so, who did they use it on?

It had to be renounced to sign Aldridge, same as the Diaw trade exception was renounced to sign Pau.

[objective]

Latest Teodosic rumor is an alleged 3/24 deal with the clippers

There's been so many fake Teodosic stories that you can only believe it when you see it. I don't even know how they would have the cap room, but haven't kept up with their minutae.

If the rumor is true, Spurs are even bigger suckers than before.

I'd much rather have Teodosic on 3/24 than Mills on 4/50, it's not even close.

Both crap defenders, and it would be hard for Teodosic to shoot worse than Mills in the playoffs. But he is an incredible passer and playmaker, he could run the offense without needing an elderly Manu to save him like Mills does.

Heck, Clippers might be yet another team that have leapfrogged the Spurs.

Losing Paul and Crawford, but adding Beverley, Williams, Gallinari, Teodosic, drafting Evans, adding bench guys ...

Meanwhile Kawhi will leave to carry the carcass of Parker, Mills and his atrocious deal, Pau and his deal for an unknown number of years, fat emo Aldridge, see Dedmon walk, spend a first on a player whose path to minutes is blocked, and hope the front office isn't too cheap to pay Simmons while knowing that a Simmons deal on top of the Mills/Gasol tragedies make it harder to sign other players in the future.

Sad.

[Robz4000]

Dubs are gonna win it all for the next four years.

[Ice009]

From the little I've seen of Teodosic and heard about him, I would definitely take him at 3 years at 24M over Mills' contract.

[Chinook]

Didn't the Spurs get a trade exception for Tiago Splitter? If so, who did they use it on?

They renounced it to create cap space for LMA.

[Chillen]

Dubs are gonna win it all for the next four years.

So you think they win the 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021 NBA titles? Which would be a 5 peat since they just won the 2017 NBA title.

They can be beat but I highly doubt they can win 5 straight NBA titles even if they kept this all going. 2peat, 3peat yeah possible but it's very, very hard to even repeat. Teams are already trying to load up on talent like Houston, Thunder to try and get better since it's the only way to have a chance to beat this team.

[sasaint]

Latest Teodosic rumor is an alleged 3/24 deal with the clippers

There's been so many fake Teodosic stories that you can only believe it when you see it. I don't even know how they would have the cap room, but haven't kept up with their minutae.

If the rumor is true, Spurs are even bigger suckers than before.

I'd much rather have Teodosic on 3/24 than Mills on 4/50, it's not even close.

Both crap defenders, and it would be hard for Teodosic to shoot worse than Mills in the playoffs. But he is an incredible passer and playmaker, he could run the offense without needing an elderly Manu to save him like Mills does.

Heck, Clippers might be yet another team that have leapfrogged the Spurs.

Losing Paul and Crawford, but adding Beverley, Williams, Gallinari, Teodosic, drafting Evans, adding bench guys ...

Meanwhile Kawhi will leave to carry the carcass of Parker, Mills and his atrocious deal, Pau and his deal for an unknown number of years, fat emo Aldridge, see Dedmon walk, spend a first on a player whose path to minutes is blocked, and hope the front office isn't too cheap to pay Simmons while knowing that a Simmons deal on top of the Mills/Gasol tragedies make it harder to sign other players in the future.

Sad.

I agree. Respect the Clippers' boldness. It could easily be a cas of addition by subtraction.

[Chillen]

Latest Teodosic rumor is an alleged 3/24 deal with the clippers

There's been so many fake Teodosic stories that you can only believe it when you see it. I don't even know how they would have the cap room, but haven't kept up with their minutae.

If the rumor is true, Spurs are even bigger suckers than before.

I'd much rather have Teodosic on 3/24 than Mills on 4/50, it's not even close.

Both crap defenders, and it would be hard for Teodosic to shoot worse than Mills in the playoffs. But he is an incredible passer and playmaker, he could run the offense without needing an elderly Manu to save him like Mills does.

Heck, Clippers might be yet another team that have leapfrogged the Spurs.

Losing Paul and Crawford, but adding Beverley, Williams, Gallinari, Teodosic, drafting Evans, adding bench guys ...

Meanwhile Kawhi will leave to carry the carcass of Parker, Mills and his atrocious deal, Pau and his deal for an unknown number of years, fat emo Aldridge, see Dedmon walk, spend a first on a player whose path to minutes is blocked, and hope the front office isn't too cheap to pay Simmons while knowing that a Simmons deal on top of the Mills/Gasol tragedies make it harder to sign other players in the future.

Sad.

Yeah but Mills is good in all the HEB commercials, they had to keep him at all costs. lol.

[TimDunkem]

Latest Teodosic rumor is an alleged 3/24 deal with the clippers

There's been so many fake Teodosic stories that you can only believe it when you see it. I don't even know how they would have the cap room, but haven't kept up with their minutae.

If the rumor is true, Spurs are even bigger suckers than before.

I'd much rather have Teodosic on 3/24 than Mills on 4/50, it's not even close.

Both crap defenders, and it would be hard for Teodosic to shoot worse than Mills in the playoffs. But he is an incredible passer and playmaker, he could run the offense without needing an elderly Manu to save him like Mills does.

Heck, Clippers might be yet another team that have leapfrogged the Spurs.

Losing Paul and Crawford, but adding Beverley, Williams, Gallinari, Teodosic, drafting Evans, adding bench guys ...

Meanwhile Kawhi will leave to carry the carcass of Parker, Mills and his atrocious deal, Pau and his deal for an unknown number of years, fat emo Aldridge, see Dedmon walk, spend a first on a player whose path to minutes is blocked, and hope the front office isn't too cheap to pay Simmons while knowing that a Simmons deal on top of the Mills/Gasol tragedies make it harder to sign other players in the future.

Sad.
Truth bomb of epic proportions right here.

[picnroll]

Who gave Buford the key to the liquor cabinet?

[tonight...you]

Who gave Buford the key to the liquor cabinet?
Shoot, maybe he needs the key to the liquor cabinet...

[BatManu20]

882674491117060096

[MR-Clutch]

I think olynk would be a great fit here offensively but don't know much about his defense. Can anyone speak to his defense or lack of?

[cjw]

Here are the teams with cap space who could theoretically still sign Simmons to a bigger offer sheet. Feels like NY and Sac are the two biggest threats. Possibly LAL or Mia:

Atlanta - $22 million in space assuming they renounce everyone and more if Crawford is moved / bought out. But would Bud do that to Pop?


Brooklyn - $30 million in space and more if they buy guys out. Already made offer to Porter but will get matched. Doubt Marks does it to Pop too.


Chicago - including Mirtotic, Markkanen and Lauvergne holds, they effectively have $10 million in space. Not enough to make huge offer above the MLE.


Dallas - including Noel hold and assuming they sign Dirk to a lesser deal (say $10 million to be super aggressive), they'll have about $8 million of room. That can be pushed higher by $5 million or so with a bunch of non-guaranteed contracts. Simmons isn't really a fit though, but Cuban could do it to hurt Spurs.


Denver - removing Hibbert cap hold, they're right under the cap.


Indiana - $13 million in cap space if they renounce CJ Miles or someone signs him, and $3 million more if they dump Seraphin/Christmas. Less if they keep CJ Miles.


LA Lakers - $17 million in cap space now that Black got waived.


Miami - tons of cap space with Bosh removed. James Johnson only has $4.8 million cap hold if they keep him. Excluding non-guaranteed guys but including Johnson, they have around $35 million in cap space. This could be a year Riley tries accumulating draft assets instead from teams looking to clear books. Could be a risk too of an offer sheet.


- Minnesota - less than $6 million assuming everyone is renounced. So not much space


- New York - including their draft pick, about $17 million in cap space. Could be a risk of an offer sheet and we know they've met with Simmons.


- Philadelphia - around $14 million of cap space even after Redick/Johnson. Hopefully Brown and the FO don't put the Spurs into a tough spot like last year with Manu. Simmons doesn't really fit what they're trying to do though - won't want to lock up long term money.


- Phoenix - has told teams that they're standing pat, although they have a good $24 million in room excluding Alex Len (who wants him anyway)? Not a fit with Simmons as long as they have Bledsoe and Knight. I see them in a similar spot to Miami, trying to accumulate some assets knowing the team is a few pieces away.


Sacramento - $24 million in space so could be a real threat to use their space.


Utah - seems that they used up cap space on Ingles but could they keep his lower number on the books in interim? Still will be hard to have tons of cap room.






Capped out teams:
- Boston - used up space on Hayward
- Charlotte - approaching the tax with a yuck roster. Go look for yourself
- Cleveland
- Detroit
- Golden State - MLE gone with Swaggy P
- Houston - also used up MLE already
- LA Clippers
- Memphis - used up MLE on McLemore
- Milwaukee
- New Orleans
- Oklahoma City
- Portland (FIXED)
- Toronto - way into the tax
- Washington

[cd98]

I don't know if the Mills deal with be good or bad. But it pays him for his prime years and they got shot 40% from three, which will get you paid in the league as it sits today. Mills is not a good point guard, well he's adequate and a fine backup, but he's great at change of pace. So while people moan about the contract, Mills does bring something to the table more than just missing threes against a GSW team that sold out to guard him on the three point line.

if I had a gripe, it's that he's below average or feels below average as a creator or finisher in the paint. But that's why Chris Paul is making more than Mills.

[Chillen]

Heck, Clippers might be yet another team that have leapfrogged the Spurs.

Losing Paul and Crawford, but adding Beverley, Williams, Gallinari, Teodosic, drafting Evans, adding bench guys ...

.

Wow, this offseason for the Spurs so far has been a disaster. Clippers sign and traded CP3 to Houston and have arguably gotten better. Yet the Spurs have done nothing but overpay Patty Mills.

[Mal]

Nice write up about Simmons. If Wash match Porter, Nets will turn to KCP with max. I doubt New York new GM will start with overpaying Jonathan Simmons, so we are good. But Sacramento is still in play. No picks for them, lost of cap space, but they have Fox, Hill, Hield, Richardson, Justin Jackson at 2/3 postions, and Simmons doesn't fit their age timeline.

I hope you are rigth about former Spurs' employees don't want to mess with Pop.

If so, Simmons will be back at 2 years full MLE deal with PO at around 10 mil for 3 years.

[Mal]

And this offseason sucks for Spurs. CJ Miles and Rudy Gay are still on the market. As well as David Lee, Jerebko, Afflalo. But those are just roster fillers, none of them will put Spurs in better positon then last year.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The lack of any news with respect to the Spurs is baffling. Unless there's some big trade coming that is contingent on a couple of pieces / details still being worked out, it's just nuts.

On the one hand, the Spurs have always been conservative after deep playoff runs. I can see them looking at the Zaza incident and say "if that doesn't happen, we beat GS and are playing the Cavs for it all."

Okay, great. You also won't have Parker until the All-Star break (at best), don't know what he'll look like when he comes back, Manu's thinking about hanging it up, your bigs couldn't stay on the floor against certain teams, and you've watched Minnesota, Houston, OKC, LAC, and even GSW make upgrades so far.

The Spurs have too many front office contacts throughout the league to not be able to make some moves. The silence is truly baffling at this point.

[cjw]

And this offseason sucks for Spurs. CJ Miles and Rudy Gay are still on the market. As well as David Lee, Jerebko, Afflalo. But those are just roster fillers, none of them will put Spurs in better positon then last year.

I actually think the Spurs may be in the mix on Miles. I really like him - positive on both sides of the floor (1.4 points better per 100 possessions on both offense and defense with him on floor last year). Above 40% from three on a high number of attempts. He'd be a solid backup if Anderson were to play more 4.

Olynyk could be on the radar too.

[Hoops Czar]

It had to be renounced to sign Aldridge, same as the Diaw trade exception was renounced to sign Pau.


They renounced it to create cap space for LMA.

Thanks

[Mal]

I actually think the Spurs may be in the mix on Miles. I really like him - positive on both sides of the floor (1.4 points better per 100 possessions on both offense and defense with him on floor last year). Above 40% from three on a high number of attempts. He'd be a solid backup if Anderson were to play more 4.

Olynyk could be on the radar too.

Olynyk is gonna get paid. Utah wants him. CJ Mills is in the mix for 5-7 mil, market for him is very thin.

[Hoops Czar]

Here are the teams with cap space who could theoretically still sign Simmons to a bigger offer sheet. Feels like NY and Sac are the two biggest threats. Possibly LAL or Mia:

Atlanta - $22 million in space assuming they renounce everyone and more if Crawford is moved / bought out. But would Bud do that to Pop?


Brooklyn - $30 million in space and more if they buy guys out. Already made offer to Porter but will get matched. Doubt Marks does it to Pop too.


Chicago - including Mirtotic, Markkanen and Lauvergne holds, they effectively have $10 million in space. Not enough to make huge offer above the MLE.


Dallas - including Noel hold and assuming they sign Dirk to a lesser deal (say $10 million to be super aggressive), they'll have about $8 million of room. That can be pushed higher by $5 million or so with a bunch of non-guaranteed contracts. Simmons isn't really a fit though, but Cuban could do it to hurt Spurs.


Denver - removing Hibbert cap hold, they're right under the cap.


Indiana - $13 million in cap space if they renounce CJ Miles or someone signs him, and $3 million more if they dump Seraphin/Christmas. Less if they keep CJ Miles.


LA Lakers - $17 million in cap space now that Black got waived.


Miami - tons of cap space with Bosh removed. James Johnson only has $4.8 million cap hold if they keep him. Excluding non-guaranteed guys but including Johnson, they have around $35 million in cap space. This could be a year Riley tries accumulating draft assets instead from teams looking to clear books. Could be a risk too of an offer sheet.


- Minnesota - less than $6 million assuming everyone is renounced. So not much space


- New York - including their draft pick, about $17 million in cap space. Could be a risk of an offer sheet and we know they've met with Simmons.


- Philadelphia - around $14 million of cap space even after Redick/Johnson. Hopefully Brown and the FO don't put the Spurs into a tough spot like last year with Manu. Simmons doesn't really fit what they're trying to do though - won't want to lock up long term money.


- Phoenix - has told teams that they're standing pat, although they have a good $24 million in room excluding Alex Len (who wants him anyway)? Not a fit with Simmons as long as they have Bledsoe and Knight. I see them in a similar spot to Miami, trying to accumulate some assets knowing the team is a few pieces away.


Sacramento - $24 million in space so could be a real threat to use their space.


Utah - seems that they used up cap space on Ingles but could they keep his lower number on the books in interim? Still will be hard to have tons of cap room.






Capped out teams:
- Boston - used up space on Hayward
- Charlotte - approaching the tax with a yuck roster. Go look for yourself
- Cleveland
- Detroit
- Golden State - MLE gone with Swaggy P
- Houston - also used up MLE already
- LA Clippers
- Memphis - used up MLE on McLemore
- Milwaukee
- New Orleans
- Oklahoma City
- Sacramento
- Toronto - way into the tax
- Washington

You went through every team but skipped the Spurs?

[gambit1990]

do not want olynyk.

[objective]

Here are the teams with cap space who could theoretically still sign Simmons to a bigger offer sheet. Feels like NY and Sac are the two biggest threats. Possibly LAL or Mia:

Brooklyn - $30 million in space and more if they buy guys out. Already made offer to Porter but will get matched. Doubt Marks does it to Pop too

Re: Marks

Dennis Lindsay hasn't taken it easy on the Spurs, he moved one spot ahead of them in the first round twice now, and the second one was absolutely attributed to blocking the Spurs. First one is unknown if it was directly because of fear the Spurs would draft Gobert or if it was just the easiest spot to move to and opportunity arose.

They also didn't exactly take Boris for free, they got an unprotected 2022 second for taking him. That isn't nothing.

[sasaint]

Here are the teams with cap space who could theoretically still sign Simmons to a bigger offer sheet. Feels like NY and Sac are the two biggest threats. Possibly LAL or Mia:

Atlanta - $22 million in space assuming they renounce everyone and more if Crawford is moved / bought out. But would Bud do that to Pop?


Brooklyn - $30 million in space and more if they buy guys out. Already made offer to Porter but will get matched. Doubt Marks does it to Pop too.


Chicago - including Mirtotic, Markkanen and Lauvergne holds, they effectively have $10 million in space. Not enough to make huge offer above the MLE.


Dallas - including Noel hold and assuming they sign Dirk to a lesser deal (say $10 million to be super aggressive), they'll have about $8 million of room. That can be pushed higher by $5 million or so with a bunch of non-guaranteed contracts. Simmons isn't really a fit though, but Cuban could do it to hurt Spurs.


Denver - removing Hibbert cap hold, they're right under the cap.


Indiana - $13 million in cap space if they renounce CJ Miles or someone signs him, and $3 million more if they dump Seraphin/Christmas. Less if they keep CJ Miles.


LA Lakers - $17 million in cap space now that Black got waived.


Miami - tons of cap space with Bosh removed. James Johnson only has $4.8 million cap hold if they keep him. Excluding non-guaranteed guys but including Johnson, they have around $35 million in cap space. This could be a year Riley tries accumulating draft assets instead from teams looking to clear books. Could be a risk too of an offer sheet.


- Minnesota - less than $6 million assuming everyone is renounced. So not much space


- New York - including their draft pick, about $17 million in cap space. Could be a risk of an offer sheet and we know they've met with Simmons.


- Philadelphia - around $14 million of cap space even after Redick/Johnson. Hopefully Brown and the FO don't put the Spurs into a tough spot like last year with Manu. Simmons doesn't really fit what they're trying to do though - won't want to lock up long term money.


- Phoenix - has told teams that they're standing pat, although they have a good $24 million in room excluding Alex Len (who wants him anyway)? Not a fit with Simmons as long as they have Bledsoe and Knight. I see them in a similar spot to Miami, trying to accumulate some assets knowing the team is a few pieces away.


Sacramento - $24 million in space so could be a real threat to use their space.


Utah - seems that they used up cap space on Ingles but could they keep his lower number on the books in interim? Still will be hard to have tons of cap room.






Capped out teams:
- Boston - used up space on Hayward
- Charlotte - approaching the tax with a yuck roster. Go look for yourself
- Cleveland
- Detroit
- Golden State - MLE gone with Swaggy P
- Houston - also used up MLE already
- LA Clippers
- Memphis - used up MLE on McLemore
- Milwaukee
- New Orleans
- Oklahoma City
- Sacramento
- Toronto - way into the tax
- Washington

Neat trick. Sacramento is on both lists.

Where do the Spurs stand?

[BatManu20]

do not want olynyk.

Can't afford him anyways. He'll go to a non-contender.

[BatManu20]

It'll be like Redick never left!

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[objective]

Neat trick. Sacramento is on both lists.

Where do the Spurs stand?

With the Mills cap hold, Porker on the books, Forbes on the books, Simmons cap hold, and as far as anyone knows, Milutinov on the books ...

And if they renounce Pau, Lee, Manu, Dedmon and Anthony,

About 12.95 in space or close enough to 13 that it's easier to say 13. Plus the room exception.

BUT

They are still allegedly going to sign Pau.

So operating under the cap now seems not much better than not having room.

If the don't renounce anyone, they can use the full MLE and the BAE

[SAGirl]

On the other hand, the Celts are collecting SFs like we are collecting PGs. Crowder would be my choice.

All this collection that SA is building on PG would make sense if:
1. they didn't re-sign Patty but ok, let it go.
2. they would trade Tony? :wow Let it go too?
3. Manu wouldn't come back? Also, want me to let that go?
4. Forbes is going to be cut? Real possibility. I remember last summer JSimms' player option was picked up b4 summer league. IMO that was done to give him peace of mind so that he didn't show this act of desperation and get nervous out there, and just focused on improving, playing well and executing what coaches wanted. Forbes is in a thinner situation, do you agree?
5. Should they keep the stockpile and do neither of 2-4, at least it is bc they expect the stockpile to develop this season while next season for sure one or both of 2 or 3 above is not going to be around.

[TimDunkem]

What an abysmal offseason. Almost wish they just lost to the Grizzlies in the first round. Maybe PATFO would've realized this team has no shot.

[objective]

If that had renounced everyone and stretched Parker ...

Between 28-29 million in cap room. 500k more without Forbes.

Could have had Hill, resigned Pau for some reason, used room exception on Hanga/Manu, etc.

Or done Teodosic and something else ...

But no, Mills gets to brick and not run an offense and get scored on in the post by Livingston repeatedly.

[tonight...you]

I think this is fun.

[rastaspur]

I will be left scratching my head if the spurs could have gotten teodosic and saved 4 million a year instead of resigning mills. Both are defensive liabilities and one can run an offense. Seems like a no brainer to at least try to get him at 10 mill or less

[Chinook]

If that had renounced everyone and stretched Parker ...

Between 28-29 million in cap room. 500k more without Forbes.

Could have had Hill, resigned Pau for some reason, used room exception on Hanga/Manu, etc.

Or done Teodosic and something else ...

But no, Mills gets to brick and not run an offense and get scored on in the post by Livingston repeatedly.

They wanted Mills, and he was the cheapest PG out there in terms of cap allocation. There's certainly room to disagree with Mills being worth his contract, but comparing him to Teodosic or even Hill makes no sense, ESPECIALLY in the scenario you outlined.

[picnroll]

They wanted Mills, and he was the cheapest PG out there in terms of cap allocation. There's certainly room to disagree with Mills being worth his contract, but comparing him to Teodosic or even Hill makes no sense, ESPECIALLY in the scenario you outlined.
That would make a lot of sense if Mills was a PG.

[cjw]

You went through every team but skipped the Spurs?

Glad you noticed. This was from the perspective of who can throw money at Simmons. Spurs can obviously can match anything.

[LittleCriminal]

I have a inside horse claiming a couple of trades will happen soon...
No Its not tspence.

[cjw]

Neat trick. Sacramento is on both lists.

Where do the Spurs stand?

Second Sac should be Por. Thanks

Spurs can play either above or below cap. Either keep MLE/LLE and bring everyone back they want though Dedmon probably gone, or open up about $15.5mm in space renouncing everyone except Simmons.

This uses Mills's old cap number. Also assumes White is at about $1.1mm and one minimum hold at $800k.

[Mal]

Teodosic will be a bust. He comparable to Rubio, but older and slower.

[tonight...you]

I have a inside horse claiming a couple of trades will happen soon...
No Its not tspence.
You got a joint?
No.
Would have been cool if you did.

[rastaspur]

I have a inside horse claiming a couple of trades will happen soon...
No Its not tspence.

I would get him outside asap. Indoors is no place for a horse.

[objective]

They wanted Mills, and he was the cheapest PG out there in terms of cap allocation. There's certainly room to disagree with Mills being worth his contract, but comparing him to Teodosic or even Hill makes no sense, ESPECIALLY in the scenario you outlined.

Yeah right.

Cheapest point guard out there for the cap = most expensive back up in the league

[Chinook]

That would make a lot of sense if Mills was a PG.

They already have two 6-5 play-makers, another 6-6 and, a fourth 6-7 and a fifth 6-9.

[LittleCriminal]

You got a joint?
No.
Would have been cool if you did.

Party at the moon tower!

[Chinook]

Yeah right.

Cheapest point guard out there for the cap = most expensive back up in the league

$6.8 Million is the cheapest cap allocation so far.

[LittleCriminal]

I would get him outside asap. Indoors is no place for a horse.

Or i could be living in the barn..

[objective]

$6.8 Million is the cheapest cap allocation so far.

Great.

Wonderful.

FOR NOW and for the worse player than Hill by far and no certainty he's any better than Teodosic

How does his cap allocation look in years 2, 3, and 4?

[tonight...you]

Or i could be living in the barn..
Ha ha ha!

[cjw]

Great.

Wonderful.

FOR NOW and for the worse player than Hill by far and no certainty he's any better than Teodosic

How does his cap allocation look in years 2, 3, and 4?

Spurs will be paying Murray and White a combined $3.5mm or less in years 2 and 3, so need to consider it all on a combined basis. Mills can also be traded - $12.5 isn't an albatross.

[Chinook]

Great.

Wonderful.

FOR NOW and for the worse player than Hill by far and no certainty he's any better than Teodosic

How does his cap allocation look in years 2, 3, and 4?

So we're back to pretending like the Spurs should have known the future.

[BatManu20]

882699919894519808

[picnroll]

They already have two 6-5 play-makers, another 6-6 and, a fourth 6-7 and a fifth 6-9.

So they're getting a short shooting guard that can hit 40% on threes except when he has a good defender with length on him, who is a poor creator for others, even as a secondary ball handler and who is a poor defender for position. I think they could have gotten somebody who checks the boxes better for equal or less. He does great dinner though.

[objective]

$6.8 Million is the cheapest cap allocation so far.

And they don't get much benefit of having the low number this year, do they?

Not much difference between operating under or over? 5-6 + Room after Pau signs or mle + bae over, either way about $10 total

Hell if they were going to operate with his hold they should have just given him a 1/20 thank you and kept the books clean and revisit him next summer.

[LittleCriminal]

Just trade Aldridge for Melo,sign Gay and call it a day.

[sasaint]

All this collection that SA is building on PG would make sense if:
1. they didn't re-sign Patty but ok, let it go.
2. they would trade Tony? :wow Let it go too?
3. Manu wouldn't come back? Also, want me to let that go?
4. Forbes is going to be cut? Real possibility. I remember last summer JSimms' player option was picked up b4 summer league. IMO that was done to give him peace of mind so that he didn't show this act of desperation and get nervous out there, and just focused on improving, playing well and executing what coaches wanted. Forbes is in a thinner situation, do you agree?
5. Should they keep the stockpile and do neither of 2-4, at least it is bc they expect the stockpile to develop this season while next season for sure one or both of 2 or 3 above is not going to be around.

Yeah, I agree about Forbes. White shot him out of the saddle. I think I replied to you in another thread that I don't even want to see him on the floor anymore in SL. Give his minutes to White and Dijon (since he is clamoring for them) and even Hanlan. (I also do not want to see any more of Whittington. Jefferson, yes.)

This year might be remembered as the last hurrah of Tony and Manu. But if they are able to bring Simmons back, why bother with Manu? He is 50-50 in my book. Moreover, Tony seems dead-set on returning, and PATFO seems committed to him. So, I guess we live with that. I honestly believe this is how PATFO has decided to do the mini-tank some posters wanted last year. PATFO is clearly focused on being able to offer Kawhi the supermax even if it means bringing the corpses back for another season. At least by the end of this season, Tony, Manu and Forbes will all be gone. This season, regardless of how many return, it looks like we are dropping back 15 and punting.

[rastaspur]

Or i could be living in the barn..

You could be, but hopefully not.

If so, I hope you pull it off like Swayze in roadhouse.

[cjw]

And they don't get much benefit of having the low number this year, do they?

Not much difference between operating under or over? 5-6 + Room after Pau signs or mle + bae over, either way about $10 total

Hell if they were going to operate with his hold they should have just given him a 1/20 thank you and kept the books clean and revisit him next summer.

Kind of agree here. Overpay him this year with understanding that he'd get less in the future, though no guarantee he'd sign for less (that'd be illegal).

I'm also surprised the deal is an ascending deal. Why not take the hit in year 1 with lower annual values in subsequent years?

[sasaint]

I would get him outside asap. Indoors is no place for a horse.

Not indoor - inside. Good spot - shorter distance around the track.

[objective]

So we're back to pretending like the Spurs should have known the future.

What the hell is this nonsense?

Hey, when you agree to a deal at 12:01, you are deciding to screw the future.

Having foresight and projections is part of the process.

I just know on some Knicks board last year there was a ChiKnick defending the Noah contract.

"What, like you guys know the future? The Knicks wanted him, they got him, a starting center for less than 20% of the cap! You guys don't know what's out there now or in the future!"

And on the Lakers board, ChiKobe was praising Mozgov.

"It's not like they'll have to burn a first round pick to dump the last two years of his salary, he has a movable deal. Are the Lakers supposed to know the future?"

[BatManu20]

882703052771397632

[tonight...you]

What the hell is this nonsense?

Hey, when you agree to a deal at 12:01, you are deciding to screw the future.

Having foresight and projections is part of the process.

I just know on some Knicks board last year there was a ChiKnick defending the Noah contract.

"What, like you guys know the future? The Knicks wanted him, they got him, a starting center for less than 20% of the cap! You guys don't know what's out there now or in the future!"

And on the Lakers board, ChiKobe was praising Mozgov.

"It's not like they'll have to burn a first round pick to dump the last two years of his salary, he has a movable deal. Are the Lakers supposed to know the future?"
Bombshell Alert!
Breaking News!
Chinook calls out "Fake News" and sues for slander.
Attorney says "We have a good case, but you never know...".

[Chinook]

And they don't get much benefit of having the low number this year, do they?

Not much difference between operating under or over? 5-6 + Room after Pau signs or mle + bae over, either way about $10 total

Hell if they were going to operate with his hold they should have just given him a 1/20 thank you and kept the books clean and revisit him next summer.

Hindsight once again. With Pau and Patty, the Spurs were trying to lock down two rotation guys while maximizing cap space. It's similar to what they did with Danny and Kawhi in 2015. Patty gave up potential flexibility to sign a long-term deal. He may have been on the market still, hoping for a Teodosic-level offer, or he could have been offered Redick's deal.

Moving on from Patty and getting rid of Tony would have forced the Spurs to be aggressive in pursuing free-agent PGs this summer. So the talk about these late deals makes little sense, as the Spurs would have been one of those teams fighting to give Lowry $100 Million or Hill $25 Million a year.

The Spurs did four things to address the cap at the end of last season: They got Pau to opt out, gaining several million bucks in potential room; They agreed on a new contract with Mills, locking in a rotation PG for $6.8 Million; they set up a trade with Green; and they set up a trade with LMA. Those four things combine to a max slot, Mills and Pau. Rather than getting too far down the hole the adjust if something went wrong (which is did), they managed to preserve all of next year's space other than Mills' tradeable contract.

The contract they give Pau will be the most interesting thing to watch in terms of their pivot plan at this point.

[Clipper Nation]

Teodosic will be a bust. He comparable to Rubio, but older and slower.
Teodosic can actually shoot, unlike Rubio. And he's only 30.

[bklynspursfan]

Just trade Aldridge for Melo,sign Gay and call it a day.

Melo isn't waiving his NTC to play here.

[Chinook]

What the hell is this nonsense?"

I should be saying this to you, not the other way around. That you think Mills getting a role-player contract is the same as those other deals shows how far out of touch you are.

[tonight...you]

Teodosic can actually shoot, unlike Rubio. And he's only 30.
And Rubio can play some decent D. Teo... not really.
They're not that much alike, except for their play-making abilities and we have zero idea if he can do it on this level yet.

[BatManu20]

Sì

[LittleCriminal]

You could be, but hopefully not.

If so, I hope you pull it off like Swayze in roadhouse.

The name is Dalton.

[tonight...you]

The name is Dalton.
Tim Dalton... Better known as the worst of the Bonds.
That's why I live in a barn.

[picnroll]

Going into free agency it was talked about by everybody that PG was one position of musical chairs with far fewer chairs than players. Not the position to panic and jump the gun, especially for a guy checking too few boxes. Excuse/explanation was to have a link to the past culture guy around. Sucks.

[Clipper Nation]

And Rubio can play some decent D. Teo... not really.
They're not that much alike, except for their play-making abilities and we have zero idea if he can do it on this level yet.
Yes, Teodosic is horrible defensively. But we can cover for that with Beverley, Tony Allen (who we're working on a S&T for)... hell, even Austin has shown flashes on the defensive end.

In contrast, it's pretty much impossible for a team to cover for Rubio's horrendous shooting and what that does to their spacing.

[LittleCriminal]

Melo isn't waiving his NTC to play here.



Are you his agent?

[tonight...you]

Yes, Teodosic is horrible defensively. But we can cover for that with Beverley, Tony Allen (who we're working on a S&T for)... hell, even Austin has shown flashes on the defensive end.

In contrast, it's pretty much impossible for a team to cover for Rubio's horrendous shooting and what that does to their spacing.
True. No argument here brother.

[bklynspursfan]

Are you his agent?

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19794436/carmelo-anthony-new-york-knicks-open-waiving-no-trade-clause-houston-rockets-cleveland-cavaliers

Everyone who pays attention to the league close enough knows who Melo wants to play with.

[spurraider21]

The name is Dalton.
I thought you'd be bigger.

[picnroll]

Yes, Teodosic is horrible defensively. But we can cover for that with Beverley, Tony Allen (who we're working on a S&T for)... hell, even Austin has shown flashes on the defensive end.

In contrast, it's pretty much impossible for a team to cover for Rubio's horrendous shooting and what that does to their spacing.
Horrible is a given. Question is how horrible. +/- thing.

[DPG21920]

Man I'm beyond impressed w GS front office. They didn't have to make any moves to stay great but they are adding damn solid depth, buying picks to take calculated gambles & keeping all their guys. Ridiculous

[raybies]

Ellis waived

[venitian navigator]

MONTA ELLIS HAS BEEN CUT BY INDIANA PER SAM CHARANIA...ANYBODY INTERESTED?

[tonight...you]

Man I'm beyond impressed w GS front office. They didn't have to make any moves to stay great but they are adding damn solid depth, buying picks to take calculated gambles & keeping all their guys. Ridiculous
Light years ahead baby.

[DPG21920]

I was last year but not anymore. Any hope I had for him faded. He's fallen off so hard.




















*watch SA get him now.

[tonight...you]

MONTA ELLIS HAS BEEN CUT BY INDIANA PER SAM CHARANIA...ANYBODY INTERESTED?
Oh man... yes and no?

[buttsR4rebounding]

Sure had no chance in those games, so who cares? Second bananas don't have to be great when the top guy gets cheap-shotted out of a series. LMA played well in games where the team actually had a chance to win. If he keeps that up, he'll be a much better play against GS than Bradley

Chinook with the voice of reason among voices without.

[look_at_g_shred]

Sure at this point in the offseason, Ellis feels like prime Tracy McGrady

[Hoops Czar]

MONTA ELLIS HAS BEEN CUT BY INDIANA PER SAM CHARANIA...ANYBODY INTERESTED?
Golden State for the min.

[raybies]

Boston is looking for rim protectors. S&T Dedmon to them ASAP for some of their prospects

[SAGirl]

Spurs paying a 6ft 3pt shooter 4yrs 50mil and GSW paying a 6'7 3pt shooter 1 yr 5.2mil.

heh, they have a latvian sniper at 6'10" and won't play him.
:pop: "the culture" :lol

[$pursDynasty]

do you think we can get the Hawks and Coach Bud to send us Jamaal Crawford for Bryn Forbes, since he is on the hotseat anyway. Might as well pave the way for an assistant coaching job :chestbump

[$pursDynasty]

Monta, for the vet min, hell yea, I still remember when he would penetrate the hell out of us with the Mavs, but more than that...no because he really doesn't fit what we used to do, not sure what we are going to do from now on.

[cjw]

Boston is looking for rim protectors. S&T Dedmon to them ASAP for some of their prospects

No Bird rights on Dedmon, so can only sign for 120% of last year's salary - or $3.48 million. Boston can add him with the room exception for that amount if he were willing to take it, so no need for S&T. He's likely to want more, so S&T doesn't work.



do you think we can get the Hawks and Coach Bud to send us Jamaal Crawford for Bryn Forbes, since he is on the hotseat anyway. Might as well pave the way for an assistant coaching job

Hope you meant for this to be blue font. Need salaries to match a bit more than that to work.

[tonight...you]

do you think we can get the Hawks and Coach Bud to send us Jamaal Crawford for Bryn Forbes, since he is on the hotseat anyway. Might as well pave the way for an assistant coaching job :chestbump
Jamal Crawford... I don't think this team needs, but more than that- Don't salaries have to match with trades, or is there going to be some sort of cap absorbing by the Spurs?

[sasaint]

Light years ahead baby.

But so is their payroll. That NBA salary "cap"! :lol

[rastaspur]

The name is Dalton.

Here's an interesting story about the movie roadhouse and bill murray.

Kelly lynch is the actress who plays dalton's romantic interest in the movie. She is married to a writer who co-wrote the movie scrooge that murray starred in.

Every time bill murray sees that roadhouse is own tv he calls his buddy to let him know he just saw Swayze banging his wife on t.v.

That is hilarious.

[TD 21]

Man I'm beyond impressed w GS front office. They didn't have to make any moves to stay great but they are adding damn solid depth, buying picks to take calculated gambles & keeping all their guys. Ridiculous

:lmao It's all about the situation they lucked into and their ownership. That shit sells itself at this point. If you're a shameless coward, who covets attention and a guaranteed championship and want to parade around pretending to be a real champion, that's the place for you . . . unfortunately, that encompasses a lot of the league.

It's clear they're going out of their way to sign bad reputation/reclamation projects, so that when they win, Myers/Kerr, can get credit for "their culture turning them around and bringing out the best in them".

Young over Clark/McCaw as the backup SG only makes Mills all the more unplayable against them, since it removes his one safe hiding place because Young can just shoot over him.

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Monta Ellis waived, any takers?

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