Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[Nathan89]

When the league zigs the Spurs zag into a wall.

[Leetonidas]

Welp time to bust out the Titos

[MannyIsGod]

Wow. Would have given him Mills' money instead of getting Mills.

If he stayed for 8 mil per year he was never leaving. Thats fucking obvious.

[TimDunkem]

Stfu you little bitch. I'll fuck you and patty mills up.
All you need to do is throw a burrito off a cliff and Manny will chase it. No need to get your hands dirty brah.

[rastaspur]

A slutty bitch that can talk sports with you... Be drunk with an the bitch automatically knows what it is. She s the bitch you go kick it with when you wanna chill in a females company an not wanna dress up an take a bitch out.

You've been hanging out with j simms again, huh? #bitchesandblunts

[TimDunkem]

He's not even a friggin pg. :lmao He couldn't run an NBA offense to save his life.
21% shooting against the Warriors.

[RD2191]

What has Mills done on the court. It's a fucking culture thing. Kawhi is all about winning. This is not a move for winning. It's culture only. I hope Kawhi leaves and then you can watch Mills all day, every day if you like him that much.

A career 6 ppg in the playoffs. What a joke.

Scrub was getting lit up by Austin fukin Rivers in the playoffs and these faggots think it's a good signing. :lmao

[loveforthegame]

Leonard having to carry dead weight even longer. :pctoss

[RD2191]

All you need to do is throw a burrito off a cliff and Manny will chase it. No need to get your hands dirty brah.

LMFAO

[MannyIsGod]

Stfu you little bitch. I'll fuck you and patty mills up.

Nah dude, you'd cry two seconds into the fight that you "were done".

[tdunk21]

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[MannyIsGod]

All you need to do is throw a burrito off a cliff and Manny will chase it. No need to get your hands dirty brah.

I do love burritos.

[rjv]

Best thing about FA period is watching ST implode.

[jermaine]

What happened with Manu?? He don't have to make his mind up yet?

[Hoops Czar]

21% shooting against the Warriors.

Got him a raise. :lol

[TimDunkem]

What happened with Manu?? He don't have to make his mind up yet?He'll be back at 8 mill a year.

[LakerHater]

Sources: George Hill, Spurs discussions broke off. Denver and New York have so far made initial contact with Hill, one of top PGs on market.

[vy65]

If he stayed for 8 mil per year he was never leaving. Thats fucking obvious.

That's retarded. If Livingston gets 8 per, that should set the market for patty. Why overpay by 50% plus for the inferior player?

[RD2191]

Nah dude, you'd cry two seconds into the fight that you "were done".

:lol yeah, sure buddy

[sasaint]

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So, if his sauce reported it this morning, why is this guy reporting it after all the dust has settled? I can cite "sources" after the fact, too!

[Chinook]

Plan now should be to re-up Pau for this $16 Million on a one-year deal, offer Hanga the LLE if the min doesn't work for some reason and use the MLE on a new starting center.

[Seventyniner]

So it appears the Spurs will operate above the cap. Who might they go after with the MLE?

[Uriel]

Spurs brought back Patty because George Hill didn't bite at the Spurs' offer. Don't blame the Spurs for bringing back Patty. Blame Hill.

[GSH]

Cap guru Paul Garcia, so if you count the cap hold on Patty, you're looking at them only spending approx $6m extra in cap space, no?

[rastaspur]

So it appears the Spurs will operate above the cap. Who might they go after with the MLE?

Ramona shelburne. We need a beast in the middle.

[Uriel]

So it appears the Spurs will operate above the cap. Who might they go after with the MLE?
:lol Standing pat. Typical Spurs.

[LakerHater]

Woj just said that Iggy's camp setup the meeting with the Spurs.

[loveforthegame]

So nice to see the Spurs taking Leonard's prime years seriously.

[Ice009]

Tim Duncan was willing to leave if the Spurs didn't surround him with a team that can win. The Spurs got lucky with Manu and Tony.

I can for sure tell you you're not going to get lucky with Mills. You need to actually do what Tim Duncan was going to do and leave.

Let's see how far that culture gets them when they're at the bottom of the table. Let's see how many fans come to the AT&T Center when they're at the bottom of the table. I'm pretty sure that even lazy ass SA fans won't even show up for "the culture".

That's what I'm going to call this shit from now on, "The Culture".

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[GSH]

Spurs brought back Patty because George Hill didn't bite at the Spurs' offer. Don't blame the Spurs for bringing back Patty. Blame Hill.

I expect that is right. Hill had no reason to give a discount

[Hoops Czar]

Plan now should be to re-up Pau for this $16 Million on a one-year deal, offer Hanga the LLE if the min doesn't work for some reason and use the MLE on a new starting center.

Poor, poor Chinook... you're living in a fantasy land if you think Gasol is signing a one year deal.

[Ice009]

Got him a raise. :lol

I guess we now know who Pop was talking about when he mentioned players having to play different roles that they weren't used to when Kawhi went down. He was making excuses for Mills, not Aldridge like I originally thought.

[Dverde]

Simmons not signed yet...he is going to make the rounds. He is taking the best offer...book it. Good for him.

[cjw]

Poor, poor Chinook... you're living in a fantasy land if you think Gasol is signing a one year deal.

He'd sign a one year deal if worth what his prior deal was worth. He opted out because he didn't want to potentially get exiled to Sacramento.

[SAGirl]

It may signal that Manu is gone, and the team is turning the "locker room reins" over to Mills.
One can hope... would much rather have Manu than Patty though...

[CP48107]

Just heard that if Iggy leaves Warriors, they will go after Rudy Gay. This is scary. He is more potent offensively than Iggy.

[Nathan89]

Just fast forward to summer league so I can watch the young guys. Don't like the direction of this team at all.

[bklynspursfan]

Spurs brought back Patty because George Hill didn't bite at the Spurs' offer. Don't blame the Spurs for bringing back Patty. Blame Hill.

Exactly...

[MannyIsGod]

That's retarded. If Livingston gets 8 per, that should set the market for patty. Why overpay by 50% plus for the inferior player?

What does it matter that Livingston took a substantial paycut to Patty's value if other teams are willing to offer more? 8 million per isn't Livingston's market value, its what he took to stay on a super team.

[NASpurs]

It's going to be fun to read the replies to this:

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[Dverde]

I expect that is right. Hill had no reason to give a discount

The PG market is narrowing. He should have taken that utah deal. No way he gets 20 per season.

[Hoops Czar]

He'd sign a one year deal if worth what his prior deal was worth. He opted out because he didn't want to potentially get exiled to Sacramento.

He also said he planned to re-up with the Spurs long term.

[SAGirl]

I don't know. Wasn't RC gonna meet with Iggy at 12:01? :rolleyes
I think that's bc they don't want to pay JSimms an excessive amount... but that's I guess I don't know cap issues or whatever but I think that's tied to JSimms ultimate destination.

[tmtcsc]

Spurs brought back Patty because George Hill didn't bite at the Spurs' offer. Don't blame the Spurs for bringing back Patty. Blame Hill.

What makes you think the Spurs offered him a got dam thing?

[Jdspur20]

21% shooting against the Warriors.

That's just unreal

[GSH]

21% shooting against the Warriors.


Got him a raise. :lol


Should be obvious. Nowhere to go but up.

The future looks bright.

[MannyIsGod]

:lol yeah, sure buddy

Surprised you're still replying. Shouldn't you be on NBA.com buying some gear for whichever team you're going to bandwagon?

"I'm done"

[cjw]

Just heard that if Iggy leaves Warriors, they will go after Rudy Gay. This is scary. He is more potent offensively than Iggy.

Please please please sign Rudy Gay. He's a high usage chucked who hasn't been good in years. Nowhere near Iggy defensively. And he's coming off an Achilles injury.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gayru01.html

[jermaine]

Ramona shelburne. We need a beast in the middle.

You watch your fucking mouth talking about her like that asshat

[tmtcsc]

What does it matter that Livingston took a substantial paycut to Patty's value if other teams are willing to offer more? 8 million per isn't Livingston's market value, its what he took to stay on a super team.

Livingston doesn't mean nearly as much to the Warriors as Mills does to the Spurs. Warriors wouldn't miss a beat without him. Iggy would hurt them.

[vy65]

What does it matter that Livingston took a substantial paycut to Patty's value if other teams are willing to offer more? 8 million per isn't Livingston's market value, its what he took to stay on a super team.

It matters because Livingston is a comparable player (who I think is actually better). SL's contract sets the market. Paying 50% less for him for a year less shows how shitty this new Patty deal is. Also, why is SL taking a pay cut vs. the spurs overpaying patty?

Plus, why are they tying more long term money up? This makes no sense with 2018.

[sasaint]

Plan now should be to re-up Pau for this $16 Million on a one-year deal, offer Hanga the LLE if the min doesn't work for some reason and use the MLE on a new starting center.

When Pau opted out, there was already a re-up deal with Pau. He wasn't taking a pig in a poke to opt out.

[Ice009]

fuck, the Warriors really are the best. They're going for the versatile wings with size.

Spurs going for the useless fucking midgets. Wow. Can't believe they're bringing Mills back. Ask to go to Goldenstate, Kawhi. Sign and trade for Iguodala. If the Spurs want Iggy sign and trade him for Kawhi. Spurs LOVE age, not youth. Love midgets, not wings with size.

[RD2191]

Surprised you're still replying. Shouldn't you be on NBA.com buying some gear for whichever team you're going to bandwagon?

"I'm done"

I've always been a Spurs fan, nice try though fat boy.

[SAGirl]

21% shooting against the Warriors.
Can't defend anyone in the playoffs either...

[TimDunkem]

Should be obvious. Nowhere to go but up.

The future looks bright.
Watch him shoot 20% against them next year. :lol

[lmbebo]

Sources: George Hill, Spurs discussions broke off. Denver and New York have so far made initial contact with Hill, one of top PGs on market.

http://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/881004961080987648

[Ice009]

When Pau opted out, there was already a re-up deal with Pau. He wasn't taking a pig in a poke to opt out.

Yep, some people here said it was most likely an RJ type of deal.

[tmtcsc]

Please please please sign Rudy Gay. He's a high usage chucked who hasn't been good in years. Nowhere near Iggy defensively. And he's coming off an Achilles injury.


Exactly. Lol, just what GS needs, a player to take shots away from Curry, Durant and Thompson. Derrrrr, ok.

[MannyIsGod]

I've always been a Spurs fan, nice try though fat boy.
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Well until you heard that they gave Patty a reasonable contract. Did you already forget your post above or are you just retarded?

[Chinook]

When Pau opted out, there was already a re-up deal with Pau. He wasn't taking a pig in a poke to opt out.

Yes, but rather than a longer deal, they can give him his original deal and save future cap space.

[sasaint]

It matters because Livingston is a comparable player (who I think is actually better). SL's contract sets the market. Paying 50% less for him for a year less shows how shitty this new Patty deal is. Also, why is SL taking a pay cut vs. the spurs overpaying patty?

Plus, why are they tying more long term money up? This makes no sense with 2018.

A guy re-upping with a championship team is not setting a market.

[RD2191]

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Well until you heard that they gave Patty a reasonable contract. Did you already forget your post above or are you just retarded?

You must be mentally challenged if you didn't recognize my post as a joke.

[vy65]

A guy re-upping with a championship team is not setting a market.

Why?

[rastaspur]

You watch your fucking mouth talking about her like that asshat

:lol

Damn, son.

You went straight bipolar on me. Cutting up one minute and the defending the honor of Ramona fucking shelburne. That is a helluva 180.

[LakerHater]

Free agent Derrick Rose has agreed to a 5-year, $96M deal to join San Antonio, league sources tell ESPN. https://t.co/doewBvza07…

** edit- FAKE!

[Leetonidas]

Livingston taking a discount to resign and play for the champs is not “setting the market.” :lmao

[Chinook]

Poor, poor Chinook... you're living in a fantasy land if you think Gasol is signing a one year deal.

Not really. Pau can take his option back or fuck off. Best-case scenario was him walking in the first place.

[Leetonidas]

Free agent Derrick Rose has agreed to a 5-year, $96M deal to join San Antonio, league sources tell ESPN. https://t.co/doewBvza07…

Lol

[Uriel]

What makes you think the Spurs offered him a got dam thing?
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[sasaint]

Yes, but rather than a longer deal, they can give him his original deal and save future cap space.

Sure, if Pau will go for opting back in to,his same deal. I don't see why not; however I have never heard of such a thing.

[Seventyniner]

Free agent Derrick Rose has agreed to a 5-year, $96M deal to join San Antonio, league sources tell ESPN. https://t.co/doewBvza07…

The 5 years part gave it away.

[Uriel]

Free agent Derrick Rose has agreed to a 5-year, $96M deal to join San Antonio, league sources tell ESPN. https://t.co/doewBvza07…
Asshole.

[marinoman]

Should be obvious. Nowhere to go but up.

The future looks bright.
He was 23% v okc last year. He'll be 19% in a key series next year

[tdunk21]

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[Chinook]

Sure, if Pau will go for opting back in to,his same deal. I don't see why not; however I have never heard of such a thing.

Then he can fuck off. His only leverage is the Spurs compensating him for opting out. If he won't take a full repayment of his option year, the Spurs can move on.

[TimDunkem]

Nah. Spurs are standing pat.

[jermaine]

:lol

Damn, son.

You went straight bipolar on me. Cutting up one minute and the defending the honor of Ramona fucking shelburne. That is a helluva 180.

Thats my big bitch!! I gotta show luv pimpin. Lmmfao

[MannyIsGod]

It matters because Livingston is a comparable player (who I think is actually better). SL's contract sets the market. Paying 50% less for him for a year less shows how shitty this new Patty deal is. Also, why is SL taking a pay cut vs. the spurs overpaying patty?

Plus, why are they tying more long term money up? This makes no sense with 2018.

He's definitely better than Patty. But he was never leaving GS if he's taking an 8 million dollar deal. Are you implying no one out there was going to pay more than 8 million per for Livingston because THAT would be retarded. Look at the contracts that have been given out last year and those that will go out this year.

As for long term money, did you expect nothing but min or one year deals before 2018? The Spurs have to fill a roster, cap room plan or not. LMA pretty much shit on a 2018 plan already. There's no real reason to hold out for 2018 cap room, even before all of this. Who were they going to sign?

Mills on a 12 million dollar deal isn't going to hamper the Spurs going forward. its always going to be a trade-able contract.

How many Spurs offseasons have you been here for? Have you learned nothing? Why is ANYONE surprised or shocked by what is happening? Every fucking year the Spurs do the same thing (and keep winning) and people here are shocked when they do it again the next year.

[cjw]

Sure, if Pau will go for opting back in to,his same deal. I don't see why not; however I have never heard of such a thing.

He had a player option. He opts in and the Spurs may have had to dump him to a team NOT of his choice to create room. He didn't want that. So he said he opted out to ask for longer term deal.

The Spurs didn't promise him, nor are they obligated to give him one. Signing his original contract amount is totally within bounds.

[marinoman]

Just waiting for us to sign LMA to an extension at this point

[MannyIsGod]

You must be mentally challenged if you didn't recognize my post as a joke.

Should have gone with "I was hacked" instead. You can lie if you need to save face that badly. We both know you're a bitch ass spoiled fan. No big deal, lots of you here.

[Uriel]

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[eDizzle20]

Patty's re-signing clearly shows PATFO's confidence in Murray. I'm assuming Patty will continue to come off the bench.

[TimDunkem]

Man, this is nuts.

[RD2191]

Should have gone with "I was hacked" instead.
Lame.

[raybies]

Rudy Gay. good grief

[apalisoc_9]

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Rudy Gay :lmao

Kawhi has to leave ASAP

[rastaspur]

Thats my big bitch!! I gotta show luv pimpin. Lmmfao

Do yo thing playa. Get in where you fit in.

[jermaine]

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Rudy gay to Spurs.... I'll take that

[Mugen]

Rudy Gay? Not that GUY. NOOOOOOOOOOO

[NASpurs]

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Waaaah

[LakerHater]

As @wojespn just reported, the Spurs took Iguodala's call on this, not the other way. I don't know that the Spurs are a live bidder.

[rastaspur]

Rudy Gay :lmao

Kawhi has to leave ASAP

This is a fucking nightmare.

[sasaint]

I think that's bc they don't want to pay JSimms an excessive amount... but that's I guess I don't know cap issues or whatever but I think that's tied to JSimms ultimate destination.

Perhaps. I would really like JSimms back, but recognizing that is still a bit of a gamble, I (like everybody) don't want to break the bank over him.

[LakerHater]

Yes! Rudy gay could be our Shaun Livingston!!

[MannyIsGod]

Patty's re-signing clearly shows PATFO's confidence in Murray. I'm assuming Patty will continue to come off the bench.

Yeah, this is what people are missing here. Patty coming back shows that Murray is likely starting on day one.

[Chinook]

Rudy Gay? Not that GUY. NOOOOOOOOOOO


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK7lIjFsGvg

[Nathan89]

Rudy Gay has been a spurstalk laughingstock for years. And now we are going to get him.:lmao

[tdunk21]

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[cjw]

Yeah, this is what people are missing here. Patty coming back shows that Murray is likely starting on day one.

Which we should ALL want. If they're going to compete, he needs to become a top 15 PG and fast. None of the guys on the market save Lowry are top 15 PGs. George MIGHT be borderline.

[Chinook]

Gay can be the gunner off the bench the team has needed since Ginobili's scoring became inconsistent. As a starting three, it would be awkward for sure (assuming Kawhi moves to the two), but put him at the backup four with Bertans or Anderson moving into the starting role (with LMA as the five), and you have a more interesting team.

[bklynspursfan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK7lIjFsGvg

classic man. i always think of this vid when hearing Gay's name

[GSH]

21% shooting against the Warriors.


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Rudy Gay. Did not see that coming.

[sasaint]

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:nope :vomit:

[Mugen]

So we're going to have two TOSBs coming off career ending injuries next season? :lobt2:

[MannyIsGod]

Gay can be the gunner off the bench the team has needed since Ginobili's scoring became inconsistent. As a starting three, it would be awkward for sure (assuming Kawhi moves to the two), but put him at the backup four with Bertans or Anderson moving into the starting role (with LMA as the five), and you have a more interesting team.

Or Gay plays the 4 starting.

Spurs really look like they're tooling up for a smallball lineup full time.

[marinoman]

As @wojespn just reported, the Spurs took Iguodala's call on this, not the other way. I don't know that the Spurs are a live bidder.
He's just using us as leverage

[jermaine]

I'm not getting his jersey.... nope

[SAGirl]

Perhaps. I would really like JSimms back, but recognizing that is still a bit of a gamble, I (like everybody) don't want to break the bank over him.
It's just a guesstimate considering Spurs meeting with other wings that could earn what I think Simmons wants. But now it seems like Andre Iguodala was the one with interest which doesn't send me the same message.

Rudy Gay is coming off an achillles tear and still rehabbing...Anyways Spurs offered JSimms 9 mill per year on a 2-1 contract. He wants more so he's going to talk to other teams. This may not be solved tonight

[GSH]

Yeah, this is what people are missing here. Patty coming back shows that Murray is likely starting on day one.


Do you really offer a 4 year deal to a designated backup PG?

[ernest787]

If Gay can come back from the achilles injury then the though of LMA, Gay, Leonard, Green, Murray sounds pretty nice. That is a very long team that should be able to switch and defend multiple positions.

[Nathan89]

Only 2mil of Livingston's 3rd year is guaranteed. Mills contract just got even shittier.

[Chinook]

Or Gay plays the 4 starting.

Spurs really look like they're tooling up for a smallball lineup full time.

That's also possible, but I think Kawhi, Gay and LMA make an awkward fit. Patty would have to start. I guess if Simmons doesn't return, Murray, White, Anderson, Bertans, big works. But Simmons' skill-set wouldn't be great at any position, even if Danny's traded.

[timtonymanu]

Pop and RC: "if you guys thought last year's squad was bad"

[GSH]

So we're going to have two TOSBs coming off career ending injuries next season? :lobt2:



Who says just next season? They could give Gay something long term, and re-up Tony.

But I guess they might not be "coming off career ending injuries" those extra years. So the answer to your question is "yes".

[Nathan89]

I thought versatility was the goal in the modern NBA. I guess Spurs are going a different direction.

[vy65]

He's definitely better than Patty. But he was never leaving GS if he's taking an 8 million dollar deal. Are you implying no one out there was going to pay more than 8 million per for Livingston because THAT would be retarded. Look at the contracts that have been given out last year and those that will go out this year.

No no. If I'm RC and am negotiating with Patty, I'd look at SL's contract as a comp (like you're buying real estate) to set Patty's price. If SL is the "nicer house," why are you paying more for less? I get that there's a loyalty factor of sticking to a contender, but I think that applies to Patty and the spurs too. Simply, this deal makes no sense because you're paying more (for longer) for less. What's the defense to that?


As for long term money, did you expect nothing but min or one year deals before 2018? The Spurs have to fill a roster, cap room plan or not. LMA pretty much shit on a 2018 plan already. There's no real reason to hold out for 2018 cap room, even before all of this. Who were they going to sign?

I'm not following the logic here. We need to fill a roster spot so overpay Patty? The better alternative would be to take the 800k roster charge than overpay Patty. Also, why does LMA shit on 2018? Do you think he'll exercise his player option? Because I don't.


Mills on a 12 million dollar deal isn't going to hamper the Spurs going forward. its always going to be a trade-able contract.

It's not going to help the cap. Patty doesn't move the needle vs. the warriors. He's borderline unplayable against them. So why tie up a shit ton of money long term by overpaying for an undersized pg?


How many Spurs offseasons have you been here for? Have you learned nothing? Why is ANYONE surprised or shocked by what is happening? Every fucking year the Spurs do the same thing (and keep winning) and people here are shocked when they do it again the next year.

I've been here for too many of these kinds of offseasons. This reminds me of the RMJ years. We've committed to some horrible contracts before, and we just did again tonight.

[Uriel]

False alarm. :lmao

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[marinoman]

Rudy guy is the definition of empty stats

[sasaint]

It's just a guesstimate considering Spurs meeting with other wings that could earn what I think Simmons wants. But now it seems like Andre Iguodala was the one with interest which doesn't send me the same message.

Rudy Gay is coming off an achillles tear and still rehabbing...Anyways Spurs offered JSimms 9 mill per year on a 2-1 contract. He wants more so he's going to talk to other teams. This may not be solved tonight

I don't expect this to get resolved tonight. Then again, I didn't expect PATFO to pursue RUDY GAY. I hope signing him didn't signal JSimms' departure.

[rastaspur]

More career turnovers than assists. The beautiful game is back, bitches!!

[Ron Swanson]

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Good. Pump the fuck out of those brakes.

[LakerHater]

Lowery staying in Toronto

[SAGirl]

Gay can be the gunner off the bench the team has needed since Ginobili's scoring became inconsistent. As a starting three, it would be awkward for sure (assuming Kawhi moves to the two), but put him at the backup four with Bertans or Anderson moving into the starting role (with LMA as the five), and you have a more interesting team.
Thanks for trying to see the light.

also appreciate the guys who have me positive signing Mills back was a good thing... if anything bc Murray is going to get his opportunities starting ...

I will get over the disappointment eventually..

[Uriel]

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[sasaint]

False alarm. :lmao

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Dem false alarms on ST can wreak havoc.

[rastaspur]

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Pump those bitches until they bleed like LMA's vagina.

[Mugen]

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Thank god

[TimDunkem]

Nothing of note happening with the Spurs tonight except paying Patty for 21 percent against GS. Goodnight, people.

[MannyIsGod]

No no. If I'm RC and am negotiating with Patty, I'd look at SL's contract as a comp (like you're buying real estate) to set Patty's price. If SL is the "nicer house," why are you paying more for less? I get that there's a loyalty factor of sticking to a contender, but I think that applies to Patty and the spurs too. Simply, this deal makes no sense because you're paying more (for longer) for less. What's the defense to that?



I'm not following the logic here. We need to fill a roster spot so overpay Patty? The better alternative would be to take the 800k roster charge than overpay Patty. Also, why does LMA shit on 2018? Do you think he'll exercise his player option? Because I don't.



It's not going to help the cap. Patty doesn't move the needle vs. the warriors. He's borderline unplayable against them. So why tie up a shit ton of money long term by overpaying for an undersized pg?



I've been here for too many of these kinds of offseasons. This reminds me of the RMJ years. We've committed to some horrible contracts before, and we just did again tonight.

Patty Mills is no worse than Tony Snell (Who I love) and he got 4 for 46. Other teams would pay more than 4 for 50 for Patty so why are you stuck on what SL is making? RC can tell Patty what SL made all he wants, but Patty is just going to say what other teams are offering and if Tony Snell is getting 4 for 46 Patty easily has 4 for 50 offers in an NBA where the 3 is king.

LMA shits on 2018 because you probably have to move him this offseason if he's truly unhappy enough to be a cancer.

[SpurPadre]

People suggesting Gay would play the 4 with LMA at the 5, the one position he hates to play and he's already disgruntled enough as it is. Either this is not happening at all or the Spurs are cooking up something big we won't have seen coming.

[SAGirl]

Oh well the iggy/Simmons/Rudy gay thing is going to take time.
They are all looking to get paid.

[GSH]

Pump those bitches until they bleed like LMA's vagina.


See, you went and got yourself worked up with all that talk about fat girls. The C&W clubs don't close for another two hours, but the herd thins out by about 1:00. You better get it in gear.

[LakerHater]

Can anyone confirm Iggy agreed w spurs?

[tdunk21]

Can anyone confirm Iggy agreed w spurs?

Nothing on twitter or ESPN

[Ron Swanson]

Can anyone confirm Iggy agreed w spurs?

Haven't seen anything about that. Just that we're meeting with him tonight.

[GSH]

:lol It could be worse. We could be Knicks fans:

"At this time last year, the Knicks had already committed $72 million to Joakim Noah. So this is already a better free agency."

[HarlemHeat37]

Can anyone confirm Iggy agreed w spurs?

What the fuck is going on with your posts tonight, bro?

[Chinook]

People suggesting Gay would play the 4 with LMA at the 5, the one position he hates to play and he's already disgruntled enough as it is. Either this is not happening at all or the Spurs are cooking up something big we won't have seen coming.

LMA plays a ton of five. His disdain for it is massively overrated. Anyway, what's he going to do if he doesn't like it, leave in free agency? People thinking that he's going to pout or be a locker-room issue forget his time in Portland. A player can be unhappy but still productive and on a winning team. They don't all become Jack.

[Seventyniner]

:lol It could be worse. We could be Knicks fans:

"At this time last year, the Knicks had already committed $72 million to Joakim Noah. So this is already a better free agency."

:lol

[HarlemHeat37]

BTW, the NBA has done such a great job in making their Free Agency a huge event, tbh:lol Twitter really changed the game..

[ducks]

Curry inks richest deal ever at 5 years, $201M

[TheDoctor]

Spurs playing Hungry Hungry Hippos while the Worriers playing Battleship tbh. Shaun 8/yr vs Pity for 12.5/yr? C'mon.

[LakerHater]

What the fuck is going on with your posts tonight, bro?

Thought I saw it but can't find it, jus informed that it was taken dwn.

[vy65]

Patty Mills is no worse than Tony Snell (Who I love) and he got 4 for 46. Other teams would pay more than 4 for 50 for Patty so why are you stuck on what SL is making? RC can tell Patty what SL made all he wants, but Patty is just going to say what other teams are offering and if Tony Snell is getting 4 for 46 Patty easily has 4 for 50 offers in an NBA where the 3 is king.

LMA shits on 2018 because you probably have to move him this offseason if he's truly unhappy enough to be a cancer.

I think snell is a slightly less better offensive player but a substantially better defender, making him the better overall player (who's younger too). Snell is making marginally less than Patty is on their respective new deals. I don't think Snell is a reason for Patty to get paid more.

Frankly, I thought the FO should have moved on from patty. He doesn't move the needle for this team so why commit more money long term?

I don't see why you have to move LMA. If he's truly disgruntled why does he take his player option? Either he declines and is a de facto expiring or is not and has value that can be traded. Both preserve 2018. But regardless, you have other 2018 contracts coming off the books, which is all the more reason not to throw more long term money at mediocre players like patty

[steeledl]

We should just start a 2018 offseason thread already.

[Ice009]

Thought I saw it but can't find it, jus informed that it was taken dwn.

What was taken down?

[raybies]

sounds like we staying above the cap

[objective]

Even talking to Gay and his agent is a mistake of ridiculous stature.

The guy is in his 30s and blew his achilles.

Wes Matthews and Kobe came back and in their first seasons back looked like wet burlap sacks full of chopped off feet.

And that's not even getting into his crap iso game.

[SAGirl]

I don't expect this to get resolved tonight. Then again, I didn't expect PATFO to pursue RUDY GAY. I hope signing him didn't signal JSimms' departure.
More likely than not due diligence... they already know what JSimms wants and they think it's too much or we would have heard of him signing like we did with mills. They may match up to a degree...

[LakerHater]

What was taken down?

Iggy to SA for something like 44M for 5 years. Was frm a Bay area radio station.

(even tho SA cant offer 5 years lol)

[Nathan89]

We should just start a 2018 offseason thread already.:depressed

[Ice009]

I think snell is a slightly less better offensive player but a substantially better defender, making him the better overall player (who's younger too). Snell is making marginally less than Patty is on their respective new deals. I don't think Snell is a reason for Patty to get paid more.

Frankly, I thought the FO should have moved on from patty. He doesn't move the needle for this team so why commit more money long term?

I don't see why you have to move LMA. If he's truly disgruntled why does he take his player option? Either he declines and is a de facto expiring or is not and has value that can be traded. Both preserve 2018. But regardless, you have other 2018 contracts coming off the books, which is all the more reason not to throw more long term money at mediocre players like patty

Like I said, they main reason they're keeping Patty is for "The Culture". It's nothing to do with on the Basketball court. This shit could lose them Kawhi in a hurry.

[SpurPadre]

LMA plays a ton of five. His disdain for it is massively overrated. Anyway, what's he going to do if he doesn't like it, leave in free agency? People thinking that he's going to pout or be a locker-room issue forget his time in Portland. A player can be unhappy but still productive and on a winning team. They don't all become Jack.

Locker room cancers can't negatively affect teams? Look what happened when Stevie Jax became one with the team. At least back then we had the Big 3 as real leaders but now, Kawhi doesn't have that commanding leadership while Manu might retire and Tony won't be there all the time until he's healthy.

[Ice009]

Iggy to SA for something like 44M for 5 years. Was frm a Bay area radio station.

(even tho SA cant offer 5 years lol)

That's too low and I don't think that many years is possible. I'd be ecstatic if we got him for less than what Simmons is expected to make.

Wouldn't the Warriors also match that immediately?

[FkLA]

What the fuck is going on with your posts tonight, bro?

:lol

[Ron Swanson]

That's too low and I don't think that many years is possible. I'd be ecstatic if we got him for less than what Simmons is expected to make.

You're right. 5 years isn't possible.

[GSH]

Cris Felicio has had a career trajectory just about like Simmons. Undrafted SL invitee, two years as a backup, with moderate stats. Felicio has averaged just over 4 ppg, compared to just over 6 for Simmons. Not identical, but similar - with Simmons having the better looking numbers.

Felicio just signed a 4/$32M deal. Makes you wonder if someone is going to throw a poison pill deal at Simmons.

[rastaspur]

I hope kawhi boucher's momma is not paying attention to the spurs free agency news. If so, she may not let him play foosball in San Antonio anymore.

[RD2191]

I hope kawhi boucher's momma is not paying attention to the spurs free agency news. If so, she may not let him play foosball in San Antonio anymore.
Especially if a gorilla escapes from the zoo and punches kawhi in the eye.

[Chinook]

Locker room cancers can't negatively affect teams? Look what happened when Stevie Jax became one with the team. At least back then we had the Big 3 as real leaders but now, Kawhi doesn't have that commanding leadership while Manu might retire and Tony won't be there all the time until he's healthy.

LMA hasn't been a locker-room cancer in his career. He's been disgruntled and by and large dealt with it in a way that let his team chug along. People have been reading way too much into the LMA situation since the WCF ended.

[SAGirl]

Spurs playing Hungry Hungry Hippos while the Worriers playing Battleship tbh. Shaun 8/yr vs Pity for 12.5/yr? C'mon.
Pity gets owned in the playoffs by Livingston... owning is putting it mildly...

[Uriel]

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[BatManu20]

Curry inks richest deal ever at 5 years, $201M

That's how much money Curry will make PER DAY... Christ

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDn1EsBXUAAuDBM?format=jpg&name=large

[rastaspur]

Especially if a gorilla escapes from the zoo and punches kawhi in the eye.

...... the search continues.....

[Ron Swanson]

That's how much money Curry will make PER DAY... Christ

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDn1EsBXUAAuDBM?format=jpg&name=large

Charge your goddamn phone.

[raybies]

no word on the Iggy front. not sure what they plan on giving him with Patty on cap. They'd have to trade Green. To make competitive offer

[Kindergarten Cop]

That's how much money Curry will make PER DAY... Christ

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDn1EsBXUAAuDBM?format=jpg&name=large

Dang, man! You need to charge your phone! ;)

[SpurPadre]

LMA hasn't been a locker-room cancer in his career. He's been disgruntled and by and large dealt with it in a way that let his team chug along. People have been reading way too much into the LMA situation since the WCF ended.

I hope you're right...

[marinoman]

Did we sign LMA to an extension yet?

[FkLA]

That's how much money Curry will make PER DAY... Christ

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDn1EsBXUAAuDBM?format=jpg&name=large

Charge your phone brah. Jesus christ how is it not dead yet?

[tdunk21]

Did we sign LMA to an extension yet?

This place would explode if that happens ...lol

[gambit1990]

my valuation of shaun livingston was right:

i already said it awhile back... sign livingston instead of hill.

2 years, $16 million
881009032106061824

[rastaspur]

Charge your phone brah. Jesus christ how is it not dead yet?

:lol

[GSH]

Saying now that Gay has meeting with 4 teams - all in Austin.

[BatManu20]

881017304401588224

[ducks]

How gay

[sasaint]

Did we sign LMA to an extension yet?

:lmao

[rastaspur]

That's how much money Curry will make PER DAY... Christ

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDn1EsBXUAAuDBM?format=jpg&name=large

How are you posting from the future? My clock
shows 12:15.

Set your deloris to two weeks ahead and let us know if aldridge is gone yet.

[raybies]

Murray/Mills/Parker
Leonard/White/Forbes
Iguodala/Simmons/Blossomgame
Aldridge/Anderson/Bertans
Gasol/Milutinov/Splitter

Seems to be the Spurs plan right now imo

[Chinook]

881017304401588224

They need to send DeJounte over for the hard-sell.

[Nathan89]

881017083085037569

Now I'm hoping for Iggy tbh.

[MannyIsGod]

Good news is that if Gay is thinking about other teams Spurs are probably low balling him and not over paying.

[Chinook]

Murray/Mills/Parker
Leonard/White/Forbes
Iguodala/Simmons/Blossomgame
Aldridge/Anderson/Bertans
Gasol/Milutinov/Splitter

Would be awful on O and not at best equal on D to the SL last year. Iggy's makes no sense starting between LMA and Kawhi. Is Pau gonna space the floor for everyone?

[raybies]

Would be awful on O and not at best equal on D to the SL last year. Iggy's makes no sense starting between LMA and Kawhi. Is Pau gonna space the floor for everyone?
I prefer Murray to start but they'd go with Patty most likely

[Nathan89]

Anyone that has plans on getting rid of Green :lol

[GSH]

Is Pau gonna space the floor for everyone? Only on defense.

[Chinook]

I prefer Murray to start but they'd go with Patty most likely

That barely helps. Kawhi would also have to move off the ball for it to work.

[MannyIsGod]

With the moves they're making I don't see how Iggy makes sense. Gay makes more sense, IMO. But I still have no clue what they're going to do for the 5. Either they are confident they can trade LMA for a starter there or they're just planning to keep him.

[TimDunkem]

Only on defense.
:lmao True.

[Ron Swanson]

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[LakerHater]

The Lakers spoke with free agents Andre Iguodala and Rajon Rondo tonight, league sources tell @espn.

[raybies]

im just trying to figure how Iggy fits in all of this. And the only way to make a competitive offer is to move Green.

[MannyIsGod]

You're only signing one of Simmons/Iggy/Gay unless you move Green and at this point what free agents are there that we really want to open up capspace for by moving Green? I don't think there are any.

[cjw]

Charge your goddamn phone.

Also, Sprint!? Probably have to be close to WiFi at all times or risk no signal.

[Chinook]

Only on defense.
https://media.giphy.com/media/2pjspMQCi70k/giphy.gif

[HarlemHeat37]

Lakers and Rondo was so predictable, tbh:lol

[TheDoctor]

Murray/Mills/Parker
Leonard/White/Forbes
Iguodala/Simmons/Blossomgame
Aldridge/Anderson/Bertans
Gasol/Milutinov/Splitter

Seems to be the Spurs plan right now imo

Wut? DLeague and Hanga playing in Austin?

[Ice009]

I guess if we got Mills, might as well bring in Bogut to set those illegal screens for him. Also to lay some wood on other teams best players.

[HarlemHeat37]

im just trying to figure how Iggy fits in all of this. And the only way to make a competitive offer is to move Green.

His camp initiated the meeting with the Spurs, he's just using them, tbh..

[GSH]

The Lakers spoke with free agents Andre Iguodala and Rajon Rondo tonight, league sources tell @espn.


Man the Lakers are so fucking pathetic. Free agency opens up and they are negotiating a second rate PG, and Andre Iguodala who's never really going to sign with them. How does a team fall that low?

[cjw]

His camp initiated the meeting with the Spurs, he's just using them, tbh..

And why not take meeting as Spurs? Get other teams to bid up for him too or get GSW to throw a dumb deal ar him.

[rastaspur]

See, you went and got yourself worked up with all that talk about fat girls. The C&W clubs don't close for another two hours, but the herd thins out by about 1:00. You better get it in gear.

I am at the local watering hole now. Pickings are slim. Thought I spotted a hottie until I noticed two missing teeth.

If she were missing her four front teeth I would have been receptive. That's like having a draw bridge down to cross the alligator infested moat. Takes the risk of chomping totally out if the equation

[raybies]

I am at the local watering hole now. Pickings are slim. Thought I spotted a hottie until I noticed two missing teeth.
you like

https://media.giphy.com/media/Qw4X3FLxvag87oKuDfi/giphy.gif

[rastaspur]

you like

https://media.giphy.com/media/Qw4X3FLxvag87oKuDfi/giphy.gif

:lol

Pretty much.

[rastaspur]

Are the empty spaces right together?

No. All I need is four top or bottom teeth missing in a row then it is a plus factor. Hence the draw bridge analysis

[GSH]

Man the Lakers are so fucking pathetic. Free agency opens up and they are negotiating a second rate PG, and Andre Iguodala who's never really going to sign with them. How does a team fall that low?

Sorry. I had the sarcasm dial all the way up to 10. Most humans aren't equipped to deal with that. And it's not like the Spurs have opened up by negotiating a second rate PG, and talking to Andre Iguodala who's never going to sign with them. Our situation is way different.

[DPG21920]

Moving Green for Iggy or Gay would be the icing on the all time boneheaded moves. DO NOT DO THAT SA

[GSH]

Moving Green for Iggy or Gay would be the icing on the all time boneheaded moves. DO NOT DO THAT SA


By tomorrow, we might have a pretty good idea of what the team will look like for the next three years or so. :tu

[steeledl]

Who is ready for a predictable boring season?

[Budkin]

https://media.giphy.com/media/20MkWwv3Cbxxm/giphy.gif

[marinoman]

Surprised we haven't been linked to Vince carter yet

[TimDunkem]

Surprised we haven't been linked to Vince carter yet
Who needs that 40 year old when we're bringing back the one we already have?

[raybies]

Shams Charania‏Verified account ShamsCharania (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania) 33s33 seconds ago (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/881031889003446272)More



Sources: RFA Jonathon Simmons has started meeting process, gauging interest from interested teams such as Sacramento, Clippers, Minnesota.

[TimDunkem]

I can see Sacramento snatching him up.

[JR3]

His camp initiated the meeting with the Spurs, he's just using them, tbh..
Truth. I would be shocked if Iggy comes to SA

[DPG21920]

Truth. I would be shocked if Iggy comes to SA

Thank God. If Iggy is totally replaceable on GS, he's not going to help SA beat them :lol

[DPG21920]

Obviously still many things can change (LMA or Danny or TP moved), but at this point, Pau opting out makes no sense to me.

If they re-sign Mills (which they are) and put Pau on the books for longer than one year I will be totally confused as to what they are doing.

They need to improve and if they don't do it this year, then putting on money longer term hurts them beyond this year.

[tbdog]

Any news on Galli?

[steeledl]

Obviously still many things can change (LMA or Danny or TP moved), but at this point, Pau opting out makes no sense to me.

If they re-sign Mills (which they are) and put Pau on the books for longer than one year I will be totally confused as to what they are doing.

They need to improve and if they don't do it this year, then putting on money longer term hurts them beyond this year.

Agreed. We have to be assholes and fuck Pau.

[TimDunkem]

Any news on Galli?
Meeting with the Nuggets first then the Clippers.

[BillMc]

His camp initiated the meeting with the Spurs, he's just using them, tbh..

If it drives up Iggy's price and hurts the warriors cap, then its worth a meeting even if both Iggy and RC aren't serious.

[TheGreatYacht]

PG: Patty Mills, Dejounte Murray, Tony Parker
SG: Danny Green, Adam Hanga, Derrick White, Bryn Forbes
SF: Kyle Anderson, Jaron Blossomgame
PF: Lamarcus Aldridge, Davis Bertans
C:



That fucking supporting cast for our franchise player in his prime :lmao

[Mnky]

PG: Patty Mills, Dejounte Murray, Tony Parker
SG: Danny Green, Adam Hanga, Derrick White, Bryn Forbes
SF: Kyle Anderson, Jaron Blossomgame
PF: Lamarcus Aldridge, Davis Bertans
C:


Second best team in the league... :lol




FIFY

[TimDunkem]

It's okay. We have Fatty Mills.

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[Robz4000]

So the Spurs have gone from being the second best team in the NBA to possibly not even being a top 5 team in the West. Great offseason so far.

[timtonymanu]

They will bring back Pau and maybe Manu and call it an offseason. Bleh!

[TimDunkem]

They will bring back Pau and maybe Manu and call it an offseason. Bleh!
Hey, we still need to bring over Hakeem Milutinov!

[objective]

Hey, we still need to bring over Hakeem Milutinov!

He's not coming to this shitshow, he has better things to do I bet

[TimDunkem]

He's not coming to this shitshow, he has better things to do I bet
You're right. At least he's competing for titles in Europe. :lol

[objective]

Long term deals for Mills and Pau, and no Simmons if they cheap out

Assholes.

[TimDunkem]

:pop: : "We have to do right by Pau and Mills. They're part of the culture and have corporate knowledge."

[Mal]

Expected. Spurs did not do shit, resigned guys with little discount..

[Nathan89]

If Westbrook gets ditched again he has to be more inclined to leave. So hopefully PG leaves and Westbrook joins Kawhi.

[TimDunkem]

If Westbrook gets ditched again he has to be more inclined to leave. So hopefully PG leaves and Westbrook joins Kawhi.
They're all from California too. That's a much better core than Kawhi/TP/Fathead. :lol

[Nathan89]

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RC, get off your drunk ass and make it happen.

[TheGreatYacht]

881033466342764545

RC, get off your drunk ass and make it happen.
At this point, Drunkford will trade for Joseph Young instead.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/drp/nba/pacers/sites/default/files/pacers_2017rev_joeyoung_gfx_760x480px_nt_v1.jpg

[TimDunkem]

At this point, Drunkford will trade for Joseph Young instead.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/drp/nba/pacers/sites/default/files/pacers_2017rev_joeyoung_gfx_760x480px_nt_v1.jpg
Might as well since we're stacking up on point guards and all. :lmao

[cutewizard]

Why are we having this underwhelming offseason.......

[Emperor]

Why are we having this underwhelming offseason.......

Because they are the Spurs.

[Chinook]

Jrue just got $126M/5, but fuck if Mills gets $50M/4

[TheGreatYacht]

Jrue just got $126M/5, but fuck if Mills gets $50M/4
The same team that gave Solomon Hill that egregious contract. Not surprising.

Lets see what the other point guards get. Teague is twice the player Mills is and only got 6.5M/yr more. Livingston also a better player got 4.5M/yr less

[TimDunkem]

The same team that gave Solomon Hill that egregious contract. Not surprising.

Lets see what the other point guards get. Teague is twice the player Mills is and only got 6.5M/yr more. Livingston also a better player got 4.5M/yr less
"See how that bottom feeder gave that guy an egregious contract?! Totally justifies ours!!! :cry"

[Chinook]

Livingston would be shit-and-a-half on SA. People need to let that go. The Spurs needs to use their shooters better next year.

[TheGreatYacht]

Livingston would be shit-and-a-half on SA. People need to let that go. The Spurs needs to use their shooters better next year.
Shit-and-a-half is what Mills as the starting PG is. Not even mentioning the 50M reasons why....

If the Spurs wanted a stop gap until Murray was ready, they should've gone cheaper.

[objective]

Holiday is a younger, bigger, better, more versatile legit starter who is more than twice as good as Mills. He can guard multiple positions and play on or off the ball

25 a year is bad, but compared to Mills it's looking pretty good, :lol

RC providing cover for bad GMs all summer

Just wait until his Pau masterpiece

[TimDunkem]

Pau 3 year 12 mill a year contract incoming.