Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[cjw]

If tp retires would spurs get cap space

Doubt he retires - why give up that salary?

More likely they can apply for Disabled Player Exception if he's out for the year (or they could stretch him), though it comes with limitations.

[objective]

Doubt he retires - why give up that salary?

More likely they can apply for Disabled Player Exception if he's out for the year (or they could stretch him), though it comes with limitations.

If it's bad enough, he can take a medical retirement, which I think still pays him, only it's by insurance and not the team.

[SAGirl]

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[spursistan]

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And yeah, I'm officially lukewarm about signing George Hill..Dude has become the Splitter of PGs..Unless it is Chris Paul, don't go after any 30 year-olds..We need to get younger..

[SAGirl]

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[gambit1990]

even before parker got hurt it was laughable that some people preferred to not sign cp3.

http://i.imgur.com/RammZ7a.jpg

[gambit1990]

this is a business. hopefully spurs do something about that contract asap after the playoffs end.

people on here like, "can we buy him out so we can resign him (when he's healthy)?" :rolleyes:rolleyes:rolleyes

[CGD]

Man, the Parker injury sucks.

If he is out extended time, I wonder if that makes the Spurs more likely to do a mini rebuild next year (e.g., trade LMA).

[sasaint]

Man, the Parker injury sucks.

If he is out extended time, I wonder if that makes the Spurs more likely to do a mini rebuild next year (e.g., trade LMA).

Not with Pop at the helm.

[TheDoctor]

Get ready fellas, here's your backup SF next year

https://sports.yahoo.com/m/549089b6-7199-3d70-9237-5098b15ae711/butler-would-come-back-if-he.html

Butler would come back if he could play for Warriors, Cavs, or Spurs

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-S2RBYbi7T8k/U4NIL2DmTjI/AAAAAAAACVQ/67RQvtCy_pw/s1600/Caron+Butler+calls+one+in+BL.gif
"Yo RC! What's the deal homie?"

[tbdog]

There is nothing we can do. I am not sure what the rules are for the disability cap grant. Unless he announces retirement, I don't see the Spurs trading his contact for a worst deal.

[GSH]

If the Spurs waive Tony between July 1, and Aug. 31, his remaining year of salary can be stretched over three years. (Twice the remaining contract, plus one year.) So he would only cost $5.15 M against the cap next season - but he would count $5.15 M against the cap for the next two seasons after that.

I think that would definitely allow them to afford Patty, if that's the route they want to go - or to go shopping for a replacement, if they can find anyone better.

The league has a Disabled Player Exception, for when a player sustains a career-ending injury. The team can apply for the exception 1 year from the date of the player's last game. The player continues to get paid, but the salary doesn't count against the team's cap. Since Tony only has one year left on his contract, it seems like that wouldn't help the Spurs. But... I can't find anything that says whether the two provisions can be used together. If the Spurs could stretch Tony's salary over three years, plus get the Disabled Player Exception at the end of the first year, it seems like they could get by with him only costing $5.15M against the cap next season, and nothing against the cap for the remaining two years.

Any CBA experts out there know if those two can be combined? Losing Parker is a blow, but that would cushion it a little bit.

[jimbo]

It's time to rebuild. No more signing these TOSBs for short term contracts with limited future upside. We need to get some young assets and develop them. It's the Kiwi era boys.

[CGD]

Not with Pop at the helm.

You're probably right, but it wouldnt be the end of the world if they ran with a staring line up of Mills-green-KL-Bert-Gasol during a 2017 transtion year if they also get some nice assets back for LMA. Then you go into 2018 with Tony/Pau off the books, AND a solid pipeline which would include Murray and peices.

[tbdog]

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And yeah, I'm officially lukewarm about signing George Hill..Dude has become the Splitter of PGs..Unless it is Chris Paul, don't go after any 30 year-olds..We need to get younger..

Cool. Spurs guaranteed to get pass Rockets as Warriors don't play healthy teams.

[ducks]

even before parker got hurt it was laughable that some people preferred to not sign cp3.

http://i.imgur.com/RammZ7a.jpg

Some want spurs to win title not have all their money tied up in point guards
When Murray could be fine with another training camp and summer league
Will he be cp3 no but spurs need to replace Manu

[sasaint]

You're probably right, but it wouldnt be the end of the world if they ran with a staring line up of Mills-green-KL-Bert-Gasol during a 2017 transtion year if they also get some nice assets back for LMA. Then you go into 2018 with Tony/Pau off the books, AND a solid pipeline which would include Murray and peices.

The idea of trading LMA for either good, young pieces or an expiring and a pick(s) is plenty appealing to me for next season. But I am not Pop. I think such a move would require a change of regime.


Btw, I like Pau on the second unit. We would need a new starting center.

[Nathan89]

Boston is about have a backlog of pgs after the draft. Marcus Smart can't possibly be in their long term plans.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Boston is about have a backlog of pgs after the draft. Marcus Smart can't possibly be in their long term plans.

They don't even play him at PG.

[TheGreatYacht]

Boston is about have a backlog of pgs after the draft. Marcus Smart can't possibly be in their long term plans.
Would love that.... him or Bradley

[Nathan89]

They don't even play him at PG.

I'm aware. They won't be playing their draft pick at pg either. At least not for more than next year.

[r0drig0lac]

I would like to sign quincy miller

[NASpurs]

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[mo7888]

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I hope we were one of them

[Nathan89]

Trade LMA for Jordan Clarkson or Eric Bledsoe. Sign Tiago for the min. Sign Dedmon. Try to get Shabazz Muhammad. Give Patty the boot.

[jermaine]

Seriously, who's gonna wanna play for Pop?? You hear so many players talk about Pop an the Spurs organization... But no one ever wants to sign here. Not a big name FA.. LMA only came cuz Pop promised never to yell at him. He didn't know Kawhi would keep getting better in the off-season either. Fucking old ass Vince Carter wouldn't even sign with us... Caron Butler trash ass wouldn't either. I guess since we got Corey Magette an RJ I shouldn't say anything... SHHHHHIT!!! No one wants to be buried on the bench for showing emotions or thinking they're good so they need to get over themselves.

[Darius Bieber]

Since this series is over and Houston will win it.... Think Pop booked a team vacation for Cancun or Cabos? tbh

[coachmac87]

Seriously, who's gonna wanna play for Pop?? You hear so many players talk about Pop an the Spurs organization... But no one ever wants to sign here. Not a big name FA.. LMA only came cuz Pop promised never to yell at him. He didn't know Kawhi would keep getting better in the off-season either. Fucking old ass Vince Carter wouldn't even sign with us... Caron Butler trash ass wouldn't either. I guess since we got Corey Magette an RJ I shouldn't say anything... SHHHHHIT!!! No one wants to be buried on the bench for showing emotions or thinking they're good so they need to get over themselves.

PATFO didn't get the ultimate respect from NBA players/media/coaches until the 13-14' seasons. He competed/defeated/dethroned LeBron "The King" in his prime..

Ring chasing in the mid 00's wasn't cool yet and social media wasn't born so the Spurs small market really hurt their chances..But things are different now and the Spurs are like a waking legacy right now..gotta take advantage of Kawhi/Pop window which IMO is 2-3 years. I think Pop goes out in the Olympics or season after..

This is why they'll kick the tires on CP3 or try to make a splash this offseason

[BatManu20]

Kyle Lowry just opted out of his final year with the Raps... since CP3 is likely to stay in LA, Lowry could be an interesting target for the Spurs. Great shooter, unselfish team player, big shot maker, etc.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_VSKe0WAAApLK7?format=jpg&name=large

[coachmac87]

Kyle Lowry just opted out of his final year with the Raps... since CP3 is likely to stay in LA, Lowry could be an interesting target for the Spurs. Great shooter, unselfish team player, big shot maker, etc.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_VSKe0WAAApLK7?format=jpg&name=large


Bigger postseason choker then Paul....

He's intriguing but I'm not 100% sold and not sure if his style of play is what this team needs tbh..

[RD2191]

Bigger postseason choker then Paul....

He's intriguing but I'm not 100% sold and not sure if his style of play is what this team needs tbh..

Did you say choker? He'd fit right in.

[NASpurs]

Did you say choker? He'd fit right in.

Plus he's a fatass, so it'll be like nothing has changed.

[Nathan89]

Lowry :lmao

[objective]

Kyle Lowry just opted out of his final year with the Raps... since CP3 is likely to stay in LA, Lowry could be an interesting target for the Spurs. Great shooter, unselfish team player, big shot maker, etc.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_VSKe0WAAApLK7?format=jpg&name=large

'Unselfish' isn't how many raptors fans would describe him from what I've gathered

[apalisoc_9]

Great fatasse team

[SAGirl]

apparently this needs to be bumped just bc ....

[TD 21]

Thinking about this some more, I think the most likely scenario is as follows: They express interest in Paul, Hill and maybe even Lowry, but ultimately re-sign Mills and if he doesn't retire, sign Williams to the bi-annual exception (3.29M), with a player option for the 2nd season.

In a keep it mostly status quo and try to maintain current level until '18 scenario, when Aldridge can opt out and Gasol and Parker are up and it'll be easier to remake the team, he makes sense as a stopgap. He can start, play on and off the ball and he can pair with any of Mills, Murray and when he returns, Parker, on both sides of the ball.

Murray can still get a good amount of minutes when he get's his inevitable injury(s), plus rest games and he can push Simmons, Anderson and either the 29th pick (if they go wing, of course) or some veteran's minimum type, on the wings.

[SAGirl]

Thinking about this some more, I think the most likely scenario is as follows: They express interest in Paul, Hill and maybe even Lowry, but ultimately re-sign Mills and if he doesn't retire, sign Williams to the bi-annual exception (3.29M), with a player option for the 2nd season.

In a keep it mostly status quo and try to maintain current level until '18 scenario, when Aldridge can opt out and Gasol and Parker are up and it'll be easier to remake the team, he makes sense as a stopgap. He can start, play on and off the ball and he can pair with any of Mills, Murray and when he returns, Parker, on both sides of the ball.

Murray can still get a good amount of minutes when he get's his inevitable injury(s), plus rest games and he can push Simmons, Anderson and either the 29th pick (if they go wing, of course) or some veteran's minimum type, on the wings.
even if they dont draft a wing, they still have Hanga coming in.
Simmons will need to be reupped. I don't know if these games change the outlook for him but b4 them I thought Hanga could do a reasonable facsimile of him to not have to over pay him. However, him showing up in the playoffs has to count for Pop. If they don't get Ginobili again (and I know ppl are sentimental but he really needs to retire), I think they should reup him. If they go after a big time FA though, then all bets are off on him and others and I guess we shall see. It might even be possible to just fill up with some vet mins whatever holes there may be if they need to let guys go.
Anyways, this is tough to predict right now not just on the Spurs side but bc they also have FA of their own they need to make decisions on.

The closer the offseason gets the more clouded all this gets for me too.

[TD 21]

even if they dont draft a wing, they still have Hanga coming in.
Simmons will need to be reupped. I don't know if these games change the outlook for him but b4 them I thought Hanga could do a reasonable facsimile of him to not have to over pay him. However, him showing up in the playoffs has to count for Pop. If they don't get Ginobili again (and I know ppl are sentimental but he really needs to retire), I think they should reup him. If they go after a big time FA though, then all bets are off on him and others and I guess we shall see. It might even be possible to just fill up with some vet mins whatever holes there may be if they need to let guys go.
Anyways, this is tough to predict right now not just on the Spurs side but bc they also have FA of their own they need to make decisions on.

The closer the offseason gets the more clouded all this gets for me too.

They're never going to push Ginobili out the door, but it's probably irrelevant since he more than likely retires.

Hanga wants to come, but that doesn't mean they'll want to sign him. I'm not saying they won't necessarily, but it's not a lock, especially if Simmons is re-signed (that would make 4 limited shooting perimeter players) and I now think there's a good chance of that. Unless some dumb team makes an exorbitant offer, although it's difficult to determine what they would be for him. Maybe something approaching or above the mid-level, which is $8.4M.

Speaking of which, I think Dedmon is offered the full MLE and if that doesn't get it done, they turn to Reed, who supposedly might be able to be had for the BAE or part of the MLE. If it's the former, then they'd have the MLE to offer to a wing. If it's the later, they could split it between him and a wing. Meeks is a wing I could see them targeting for half of the MLE or the BAE.

[DPG21920]

People are making a lot of assumptions. Sure, SA is playing poorly currently but what if they make it to a WCF? Doesn't that change what people are saying? Or does it shift from "2nd round ceiling" to "no REAl shot at a title" argument?

We have to see how things play out is all I'm saying.


Ahhh.. I love me some DPG wisdom to bring me back down.

In all seriousness, this team is struggling vs. a 7th seed that has BOTH of their starting wings out. I'm no Miss Cleo, but I don't see any reason for optimism right now. This team has been the most inconsistent 60 win team I've ever seen. It's been that way all season long and their inconsistency as individual players (outside of Kawhi)and as a group are disappointing.

I don't see them getting past Houston. I'm actually putting money on that too if the matchup happens. :smokin


I am all good discussing plans and what is likely, but when it comes to team building it's really tough. Spurs can go from cold to hot in a game or two (see games 1 & 2 where there were no struggles at all).

The struggles aren't due to anything but lack of shooting and some poor coaching decisions. The latter being easily masked if the team was just hitting at a normal rate.

I definitely think SA can get past HOU and that is what I would bet on tbh..not that it changes the overall discussion but it kind of does.

I look at it this way. Yes, SA has holes, but they are better than pretty much every other team with those holes. Let's say Murray really blossoms, that probably solves many of the problems we are discussing today so keeping this team together for one more year while adding some younger pieces next year could be a big boost.

Think this conversation just became more relevant. Not just for M4T but everyone discussing what the Spurs "have to do" with trading LMA, shipping off TP, etc..

You don't get in a rush to blow up a team that even with adversity makes a Conference Finals. Sometimes, just internal improvement (Murray, Simmons, Bertans, Kyle next year) and small tweaks (add another PG, wing, etc.) can make a massive difference.

[DPG21920]

I don't even care what happens, just get LMA and Danny Green the fuck off of this team.

So you want Kawhi gone. Danny gone (who again proved all Danny haters wrong). And LMA gone. :tu

[DPG21920]

There won't really be an easy fix, regardless..realistically, they need better production everywhere other than Kawhi, but it isn't possible to blow up the entire rotation..

While it's true that the Spurs need to alter their approach and fix the frontcourt, you can't win in today's NBA without a high-level PG(Houston being the only exception, but Harden is essentially their PG, since Beverley is a small 2-guard)..they also need more 2-way wings, which has been the case for years..

How interesting is this that the team with quite clearly the weakest guard rotation in the West playoffs is one of the last 2 teams standing.

I think this has held true for a long time, but even after losing TP to an already weak guard rotation SA still comes out on top :wow

[keithington1]

Peter Jok and Hamidou Diallo seem like interesting picks at 29 for me. Slim pickings around this spot. Diallo has crazy upside and athleticism, but sat on the bench all season for Kentucky. Jok is a senior who draws Klay Thompson comparisons, and we all know we need a shooter/defender. You would think you need to draft a wing this year with the uncertainty of Mills, Simmons, Manu, and Parker. Someone around 6' 5" who can play with Murray in the same lineup. A playmaker who can help lead the second unit since Manu will probably retire. Other guards who look good are Rawle Alkins and Edmund Sumner I just can't see us drafting a Pg with pick 28, but it is possible. Maybe Juwan Evans, Monte Morris but I'd pass. Diallo and Jok are my to favorites as of today. Do any you guys see us drafting a big or a Sf?

[RD2191]

So you want Kawhi gone. Danny gone (who again proved all Danny haters wrong). And LMA gone. :tu

Full rebuild?

[MaNu4Tres]

How interesting is this that the team with quite clearly the weakest guard rotation in the West playoffs is one of the last 2 teams standing.

I think this has held true for a long time, but even after losing TP to an already weak guard rotation SA still comes out on top :wow

Spurs lose without Pop adjusting and giving Simmons a trusted 30 mpg role. That was the difference. Perimeter D was LOCKDOWN.

[ElNono]

How interesting is this that the team with quite clearly the weakest guard rotation in the West playoffs is one of the last 2 teams standing.

I think this has held true for a long time, but even after losing TP to an already weak guard rotation SA still comes out on top :wow

There's a marked improvement in defense with Simms playing a lot of TPs minutes, tbh (no bash on TP, before you go there)...

It's not surprising, and it makes total sense. The fact that he was also a stud on offense last night, when he's normally not, is what was surprising (and where TP normally has the edge)

[gambit1990]

I hope we were one of them
:tu:tu:tu

[DPG21920]

There's a marked improvement in defense with Simms playing a lot of TPs minutes, tbh (no bash on TP, before you go there)...

It's not surprising, and it makes total sense. The fact that he was also a stud on offense last night, when he's normally not, is what was surprising (and where TP normally has the edge)

I won't argue any of that. TP has always been a way better defender than he got credit for within the system, but Mills defense (totally unexpected and normally worse than TP's) against Harden was huge and Simmons (obvious better defender than TP) was great like you said.

Having said that, Simmons over TP, Mills/Murray is still BY FAR the weakest G rotation in the West playoffs and they are still standing. It's a fine line with winning or losing and I'm not saying it proves anything. It's just more of a :wow

[NASpurs]

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[Robz4000]

Like DMo but I wanna see what Bertans has instead. Spurs' #1 priority this off season has to be guard/back up wings.

[spursistan]

Like DMo but I wanna see what Bertans has instead. Spurs' #1 priority this off season has to be guard/back up wings.
Dumping Pau, tbh..

[timtonymanu]

Keep Kawhi, Murray, and Bertans.

Depending on how the team roster is looking, you bring back Juice, Verde, and Manu (I still feel like he could go one more year). Cut the losses with the rest, not saying to blow it up but don't stand pat and think this team is close to title contention because they made the WCF in one of the weakest eras of basketball.

[coachmac87]

Keep Kawhi, Murray, and Bertans.

Depending on how the team roster is looking, you bring back Juice, Verde, and Manu (I still feel like he could go one more year). Cut the losses with the rest, not saying to blow it up but don't stand pat and think this team is close to title contention because they made the WCF in one of the weakest eras of basketball.

Well since it's the weakest era in basketball I'd like think going back to WCF would be s realistic expectation with a similar team if healthy...the era isn't changing in an offseason lmao

BTW I want changes...big changes but we shall see

[DPG21920]

Spurs are damn good when healthy so they don't "have" to do anything. However, if Pau opts out and/or they trade LM I am all for it. I trust the FO so whatever they do is good with me. Even if that means waiting until 2018 which is most likely.

[coachmac87]

Spurs are damn good when healthy so they don't "have" to do anything. However, if Pau opts out and/or they trade LM I am all for it. I trust the FO so whatever they do is good with me. Even if that means waiting until 2018 which is most likely.

They'll swing for the fence like last offseason and if it fails they'll have a good back up plan.

[BackHome]

I Don't Want To See Gasol, LMA, Forbes,
I want Hanga and for us to trade up in draft get a mid first PG/SG and keep or first and get a C.

[SAGirl]

Dumping Pau, tbh..
Is that still your No 1 priority?

[spursistan]

Is that still your No 1 priority?
Quite easily..Even LMA has redeeming qualities as useless as he can be..They could gamble on him in a contract year, maybe he would get off his ass in the summer to lose few pounds after this embarrassment of a season..

[Darius Bieber]

Looks like we can finally officially start the post season. We should have tanked instead of getting swept in the WCFs.

[TimDunkem]

Pay Simmons, find another young athlete with heart and decent defense to replace LMA, try to grab some shooters and/or playmakers, and give Kawhi the ball and get out of the way.

:lobt::hat

[spursparker9]

Trade for Zaza. At least can guarantee kawhi's ankle will be safe and let Zaza go break Curry ankle

[Robz4000]

Gasol has no place on this team and didn't from the get-go. Trade his ass ASAP.

As for LMA, I say keep him unless a good offer pops up. Would rather not dump him for peanuts since he actually can play good to great defense; need at least a big to be the defensive anchor.

Keep Simmons if possible. Was high on his defense since game 1 of the season and he showed the rest of his game can have an impact at the high level.

Like Dedmon but I wouldn't be that upset if he doesn't return. Wouldn't pay more than the MLE at Best for him.

Let Mills walk unless he comes at a discount.

Would like the Spurs to trade Tony's contract if at all possible (Tony for Melo?) but unless he retires I expect him back whenever he's ready.

Lee might retire regardless but only bring him back if two of LMA/Gasol/Dedmon are gone.

Keep the rest and beg Manu to return one more year.

[ace3g]

June 22
NBA Draft 2017

June 24 — Last day for potential restricted free agents to exercise player options.

June 29 — Last day for decisions on player, team and early termination options, unless individual contracts specify otherwise (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/03/early-decision-dates-for-201718-player-options.html).

June 30 — Last official day of 2016/17 league year; last day for teams to make qualifying offers (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/05/qualifying-offers.html) to players eligible for restricted free agency.

July 1 — Official start of 2017/18 league year; July moratorium (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2015/06/rumors-glossary-moratorium.html) begins. Free agents can begin reaching verbal agreements with teams.

July 6 — July moratorium ends (11:00am CT); teams can begin officially signing players and making trades.

July 1-17
NBA Summer League

[MaNu4Tres]

Said this in other threads..

Spurs need to transition to a C, 3 wing ( defensive w/ size), PG philosophy. I wanted them to go to it last year by getting Harkless over Gasol, since I thought Harkless has more value than Gasol against the teams that matter from a skillset perspective.

Hopefully Pau opts out or gets traded to Memphis , where he can finish his career where it all started for him and hed get to play with his brother.

Trade LA for a wing, or trade him for role player, cap space, and a pick.

Re-sign Simmons

Let Patty walk ( like Ive been saying all year)

See where Dedmons market is.

Bring over Hanga.

Draft Jordan Bell, Adebayo, or DJ Wilson with the 29th.

[UZER]

If you can't get a new Duncan, which you can't because top ten 10 all-time players don't grow in trees, then you need a big with some nasty.

No more of these soft bigs.

[duncan2k5]

Get rid of LMA, Gasol, Forbes...Have Murray work on his defense and jump shooting...make a play at Paul George

[Keepin' it real]

Well since it's the weakest era in basketball I'd like think going back to WCF would be s realistic expectation with a similar team if healthy...the era isn't changing in an offseason lmao

BTW I want changes...big changes but we shall see

I agree. Spurs should return to WCF barring something unforseen.

[playbonner15]

Get rid of LMA, Gasol, Forbes...Have Murray work on his defense and jump shooting...make a play at Paul George
Paul George with Kawhi :wow ST might explode

[playbonner15]

Also, Paul George vs TP who gets to fuck a teammate's wife wins

[vander]

Trade for Zaza. At least can guarantee kawhi's ankle will be safe and let Zaza go break Curry ankle

If the Spurs had signed Pachulia rather than Gasol, would they be beating the Warriors now?

[cd021]

Said this in other threads..

Spurs need to transition to a C, 3 wing ( defensive w/ size), PG philosophy. I wanted them to go to it last year by getting Harkless over Gasol, since I thought Harkless has more value than Gasol against the teams that matter from a skillset perspective.

Hopefully Pau opts out or gets traded to Memphis , where he can finish his career where it all started for him and hed get to play with his brother.

Trade LA for a wing, or trade him for role player, cap space, and a pick.

Re-sign Simmons

Let Patty walk ( like Ive been saying all year)

See where Dedmons market is.

Bring over Hanga.

Draft Jordan Bell, Adebayo, or DJ Wilson with the 29th.

I agree wholeheartedly with the idea of going with a 3 wing and a center lineup. Mills, Green, Leonard, Anderson and Aldridge should be the starting unit next season with Murray, Simmons, Bertans and Manu (hopefully) making up the bench.

I would prefer Parsecnics, Adebayo, Lessort, and Bell in that order. if Diallo is still available then I would like the Spurs to take him. he's 6'5 with a 7'0 wingspan and a 43.5 vert, on top of being one of the youngest players in the draft.

I want us to retain both Mills and Simmons while moving on from Gasol. Mills isn't a PG but starting Anderson helps with his playmaking and Leonard was likely always going to take on an increased role as a playmaker. Mills playing off the ball adds more shooting to SL

[MaNu4Tres]

I agree wholeheartedly with the idea of going with a 3 wing and a center lineup. Mills, Green, Leonard, Anderson and Aldridge should be the starting unit next season with Murray, Simmons, Bertans and Manu (hopefully) making up the bench.

I would prefer Parsecnics, Adebayo, Lessort, and Bell in that order. if Diallo is still available then I would like the Spurs to take him. he's 6'5 with a 7'0 wingspan and a 43.5 vert, on top of being one of the youngest players in the draft.

I want us to retain both Mills and Simmons while moving on from Gasol. Mills isn't a PG but starting Anderson helps with his playmaking and Leonard was likely always going to take on an increased role as a playmaker. Mills playing off the ball adds more shooting to SL

Move on from Mills. Just let it go...hes not worth the money.

Agree with Diallo, I like him a lot long term.

Hope SA can either buy an early 2nd rounder or trade for 1. I want Bell or Adebayo and Diallo.

[TXstbobcat]

I agree wholeheartedly with the idea of going with a 3 wing and a center lineup. Mills, Green, Leonard, Anderson and Aldridge should be the starting unit next season with Murray, Simmons, Bertans and Manu (hopefully) making up the bench.

I would prefer Parsecnics, Adebayo, Lessort, and Bell in that order. if Diallo is still available then I would like the Spurs to take him. he's 6'5 with a 7'0 wingspan and a 43.5 vert, on top of being one of the youngest players in the draft.

I want us to retain both Mills and Simmons while moving on from Gasol. Mills isn't a PG but starting Anderson helps with his playmaking and Leonard was likely always going to take on an increased role as a playmaker. Mills playing off the ball adds more shooting to SL

Gasol will probably opt in so the spurs won't be able to afford to keep both Mills and Simmons.

[RD2191]

Mills and LMA need to get the fuck off of this team, why would anyone want those two choking scrubs on this team?

[RD2191]

SF:Kawhi
SG:Simmons
PG: DJ Murray
C: Dedmon
PF:KA

Fuck the bench. And yeah I know my lineup is probably terrible in one way or another but I don't give a fuck as long as LMA and Pau are gone. :lol

[TXstbobcat]

Mills and LMA need to get the fuck off of this team, why would anyone want those two choking scrubs on this team?

You will get your wish regarding Mills. He will get a huge contract and won't be a Spur next year. Will still be stuck with LMA next year.

[cd021]

SF:Kawhi
SG:Simmons
PG: DJ Murray
C: Dedmon
PF:KA

Fuck the bench. And yeah I know my lineup is probably terrible in one way or another but I don't give a fuck as long as LMA and Pau are gone. :lol


PG-Mills-Murray
SG- Green- Manu
SF-Leonard- Simmons (or FA/ 1st round pick if Manu retires)
PF-Anderson- Bertans
C-Aldridge- FA/1st round pick -Milutinov

Hopefully the spurs go the pace and space route with LMA a center and Anderson, Bertans or Kawhi at the 4 for the majority or all of every game. Move Pau and try and rebuild depth at center through FA and the draft That's a start.

[cd021]

Gasol will probably opt in so the spurs won't be able to afford to keep both Mills and Simmons.

Spurs could dump his contract on a team like Minny, they've shown interest and have the cap to absorb his deal. Mills and Simmons could be both retained then.

[Nathan89]

If Pau prevent us from overpaying Mills for multiple years to come then he may be a blessing is disguise tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

PG-Mills-Murray
SG- Green- Manu
SF-Leonard- Simmons (or FA/ 1st round pick if Manu retires)
PF-Anderson- Bertans
C-Aldridge- FA/1st round pick -Milutinov

Hopefully the spurs go the pace and space route with LMA a center and Anderson, Bertans or Kawhi at the 4 for the majority or all of every game. Move Pau and try and rebuild depth at center through FA and the draft That's a start.
This is terrible

[raybies]

PG-Mills-Murray
SG- Green- Manu
SF-Leonard- Simmons (or FA/ 1st round pick if Manu retires)
PF-Anderson- Bertans
C-Aldridge- FA/1st round pick -Milutinov

Hopefully the spurs go the pace and space route with LMA a center and Anderson, Bertans or Kawhi at the 4 for the majority or all of every game. Move Pau and try and rebuild depth at center through FA and the draft That's a start.

Last night i shared the same just about as far as the starting lineup goes, but i differed slightly with PG and back up C. In my scenario I kept Pau and I have my reasons and I let Patty walk. I keep Murray and develop him next year and bring in a veteran PG.

[TXstbobcat]

Spurs could dump his contract on a team like Minny, they've shown interest and have the cap to absorb his deal. Mills and Simmons could be both retained then.

Would we have to take back another salary in return like Rubio's in a trade with the Wolves????

[eDizzle20]

I believe the Spurs will need to address the PG position that can take some of the offensive facilitating off Kawhi. Parker was doing a great job of it during the playoffs before suffering the injury. Who knows how effective he'll be once he is back either, at his age. Depending on what D-Rose's price tag will be this offseason I believe he could even be the answer. This team depends too much on Kawhi for generating offense while also having him guarding the other team's best player.

[cd98]

Spurs aren't signing an all star this offseason. They are going to have to develop one of the crop into one.

[cd021]

Would we have to take back another salary in return like Rubio's in a trade with the Wolves????

I was thinking a second round pick, either going out or coming in. They wanted him in the off season, they would be the obvious trade partner.

[tbdog]

Another crazy scenario is trade for Dummond. It would take Gasol, Bertans, and sign & trade with Mills.

[JR3]

Pay Simmons, find another young athlete with heart and decent defense to replace LMA, try to grab some shooters and/or playmakers, and give Kawhi the ball and get out of the way.

:lobt::hat
Agreed

[ace3g]

Kawhi goes to Chicago and comes back with..

http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/56/11/44/12097799/3/920x920.jpg


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAIDoz7XgAA_7ya.jpg:large

[raybies]

Kawhi goes to Chicago and comes back with..

http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/56/11/44/12097799/3/920x920.jpg


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAIDoz7XgAA_7ya.jpg:large
:stirpot :stirspot

[ace3g]

Spurs could have drafted Butler with #29th pick and Bulls drafted LA before trading him to Portland for Tyrus Thomas.

[ace3g]

If/when it happens, Woj has been posting offseason articles on eliminated teams; see if there are any early nuggets.

[TheGreatYacht]

Said it before, and I'll keep saying it. Avery Bradley and/or Marcus Smart for Aldridge.

The perfect Spurs. Bradley is an actual 3&D player unlike the fraud we're starting at SG

Plus it will clear cap for CP3's arrival

[kaji157]

Aldridge and Gasol for Lowry, Ibaka and Valanciunas.

It works as a end of season trade, you get bird rights on Lowry and Ibaka to negotiate off you want them or not and are basically trading Aldridge for Valanciunas.

[Ice009]

June 22
NBA Draft 2017

June 24 — Last day for potential restricted free agents to exercise player options.

June 29 — Last day for decisions on player, team and early termination options, unless individual contracts specify otherwise (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/03/early-decision-dates-for-201718-player-options.html).

June 30 — Last official day of 2016/17 league year; last day for teams to make qualifying offers (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/05/qualifying-offers.html) to players eligible for restricted free agency.

July 1 — Official start of 2017/18 league year; July moratorium (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2015/06/rumors-glossary-moratorium.html) begins. Free agents can begin reaching verbal agreements with teams.

July 6 — July moratorium ends (11:00am CT); teams can begin officially signing players and making trades.

July 1-17
NBA Summer League

Has the NBA draft date changed? Wasn't it normally a few days later in previous years? Like on a Thursday night?

[Nathan89]

Has the NBA draft date changed? Wasn't it normally a few days later in previous years? Like on a Thursday night?

edit: I thought it was later but last year was the 23rd. Thought it was like the 25th or 26th though.

[Ice009]

edit: I thought it was later but last year was the 23rd. Thought it was like the 25th or 26th though.

Yeah, I thought that was the case. I was never able to watch it live because of work (I think it was normally on a Friday morning here in Australia, which is Thursday night in the US). I think this is the first time I'll be able to watch it live.

[SAGirl]

There are guys like Gallinari out there too. It's rumored he's opting out...

[MaNu4Tres]

I want Spurs to draft Jordan Bell really really bad.

So that means he'll be drafted elsewhere.

[coachmac87]

I want Spurs to draft Jordan Bell really really bad.

So that means he'll be drafted elsewhere.

He's probably going Top 15 anyways

[MaNu4Tres]

He's probably going Top 15 anyways

Hes projecting to go top of 2nd round from DE.

[coachmac87]

Hes projecting to go top of 2nd round from DE.

They're behind with their projection lol

[Robz4000]

Hes projecting to go top of 2nd round from DE.

From everything I've heard his combine performance shot him up into the lottery.

[MaNu4Tres]

They're behind with their projection lol

Thats NBADraft.net. DE is on it more than any other mock imo. They just updated it this week.

[MaNu4Tres]

From everything I've heard his combine performance shot him up into the lottery.

DE shot him up 10 spots after combine.

Im hoping hes there at 29. Been loving him for months now. Let me hope.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Aldridge and Gasol for Lowry, Ibaka and Valanciunas.

It works as a end of season trade, you get bird rights on Lowry and Ibaka to negotiate off you want them or not and are basically trading Aldridge for Valanciunas.

Can't trade expiring contracts.

Raptors will definitely be looking to offload one of Valanciunas or Carroll, though not sure why the Spurs would be interested in either as they fell out of the rotation when it really mattered.

[ace3g]

866685183185047555

[RD2191]

Let's get this baby going.

[Robz4000]

At the very least, neither Mills or Gasol should be back next season. I'd say LMA too but he's got more value staying than being traded for nothing.

[RodNIc91]

At the very least, neither Mills or Gasol should be back next season. I'd say LMA too but he's got more value staying than being traded for nothing.

In the spanish broadcast they suggested that Gasoft may retire. Personally, I don't think he leaves so much money on the table but one can hope...

[Spurs9]

Need to trade Gasol/Aldridge

[SanAntonioSpurs23]

Ginobili :cry:cry:cry:cry:cry

[SPURt]

Kawhi, Simmons, Bertans, Murray, and even Anderson are keepers. Ginobili can come back too. Everyone else I can live without. Terrible end to a great season.

[Robz4000]

LMA is gone imo. His body language and Pop going out of his way to avoid him cements that for me.

[Spurs9]

Kawhi, Simmons, Bertans, Murray, and even Anderson are keepers. Ginobili can come back too. Everyone else I can live without. Terrible end to a great season.
Agreed, haven't been the biggest Anderson fan but he's ok so far.

[NASpurs]

Has anyone actually seen the FA list for next year? It's real fucking sad from positions 1 -5.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/point-guard/

[NASpurs]

LMA is gone imo. His body language and Pop going out of his way to avoid him cements that for me.

Man you're giving me hope he won't be here next year, stop that.

[Play Boban]

I'm not sure I can watch a game next year if that mfer Aldridge isn't traded.

[Play Boban]

LMA is gone imo. His body language and Pop going out of his way to avoid him cements that for me.
I think you might be right. I certainly hope so.

[Spurs9]

Think we will unload someone for draft picks?

[HarlemHeat37]

Has anyone actually seen the FA list for next year? It's real fucking sad from positions 1 -5.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/point-guard/

Yep..I was discussing this with Manu4Tres a few weeks ago..the FA list is horrible, especially in the backcourt..

It makes it much more likely that Mills and Simmons will return IMO..

[timtonymanu]

Man you're giving me hope he won't be here next year, stop that.

Might not be instantly. We were all over RJ by the end of 2011 but he still stuck around a little longer

[Chomag]

I was a huge fan of LMA and a supporter for him comming here but after not showing up for 2 post seasons in a row I'm freaking done with this dude. Don't let the door hit you on your way out LMA!

[Play Boban]

Any chance we can sign Hayward tbh?

[cjw]

Yep..I was discussing this with Manu4Tres a few weeks ago..the FA list is horrible, especially in the backcourt..

It makes it much more likely that Mills and Simmons will return IMO..

But at a price considering how weak the FA crop is. Their price will be hid up. And no shortage of teams to do so (see my other post listing out teams with the space)

[apalisoc_9]

I'd give holiday a call if he's available under 15 :lol..super unlikely though.

Lots of PGs in the draft this year and everyone already has their point Guard.

[daslicer]

:lol Hey we can always bring Beno back.

[venitian navigator]

not gonna be an easy post season...first thing to figure out is obviously lma...the feeling as of now is that ther's no more confidence in him...

[noles1983]

So many shitty players we need to get rid of.

[HarlemHeat37]

But at a price considering how weak the FA crop is. Their price will be hid up. And no shortage of teams to do so (see my other post listing out teams with the space)

Based on Zach Lowe's comments, followed by Pop essentially confirming Mills' return IMO(by just mentioning his impending free agency , which was bizarre, just me armchairing though:lol ), I expect Mills to take a discount and remain with the Spurs..

Simmons is a tough one..he has like 4 or 5 kids and has never made any real money..he's going to get paid off 2 weeks of nice basketball after playing poorly, all season..he would be foolish to not take as much as he can IMO..

It's tough, though, because they need another facilitator off the bench, especially if Manu retires..I'm not convinced that Simmons can do it, but the only other option would be Tyreke Evans, another expensive player..

[DPG21920]

Did LM get benched the entire 4th quarter?

[raybies]

Did LM get benched the entire 4th quarter?
i dont remember him playing

[eDizzle20]

LMA needs to develop a 3-point shot, i.e. Marc Gasol. His game has shown to be way too inefficient to really help this team offensively. Aldridge would be great as a 3rd option. They'll need to strengthen the point guard position this offseason. I doubt any of the top tier point guards leave any of their current teams, but guys like D-Rose or George Hill are in play. Murray is good, but not ready to start.

[sasaint]

Did LM get benched the entire 4th quarter?

Yes, but somebody asked why Pop didn't play him in the 4th and all he said was, "Because we were down by 40."

[cjw]

LMA needs to develop a 3-point shot, i.e. Marc Gasol.

Or like Pau, though he couldn't get it off against playoff quality defenses. I thought they'd work his range out to past the three point line but it never got traction. If it's a limitation in his ability, that's one thing. If it's an effort/desire thing, that's a much bigger issue and he needs to be gone

[tbdog]

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2018/

2018 free agent list. Always keep that in your mind.

[Atl Spur]

Based on Zach Lowe's comments, followed by Pop essentially confirming Mills' return IMO(by just mentioning his impending free agency , which was bizarre, just me armchairing though:lol ), I expect Mills to take a discount and remain with the Spurs..

Simmons is a tough one..he has like 4 or 5 kids and has never made any real money..he's going to get paid off 2 weeks of nice basketball after playing poorly, all season..he would be foolish to not take as much as he can IMO..

It's tough, though, because they need another facilitator off the bench, especially if Manu retires..I'm not convinced that Simmons can do it, but the only other option would be Tyreke Evans, another expensive player..

He actually should stay even if it is for a little less money. Pop will take care of him over a period of a career if he is willing to work. All money isn't good money!!

[Atl Spur]

LMA don't need to shoot three's as much as he needs to get a set of nut's! He is a mental midget......

[sasaint]

LMA is gone imo. His body language and Pop going out of his way to avoid him cements that for me.

I can only hope you are right. I didn't see that. Post it.

[Atl Spur]

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/2018/

2018 free agent list. Always keep that in your mind.

I would love to get a Brook Lopez deal done! He is steady and no flash!

[objective]

Now or never to make moves and be a contender or stand pat and waste Kawhi with Patty Mills and the like absorbing cap space while having no chance against Golden State for the next 4 years.

If anyone thinks the 2017 free agent class is bed ... 2018 is a lot worse, Aldridge and Green are some of the best guys.

Can't even spend a lot on 2018 crap with Mills and Simmons off his RFA and Aldridge and Green cap holds.

[Vic Petro]

:wakeup

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/19438819/san-antonio-spurs-offseason-preview-nba-5-5-kawhi-leonard-lamarcus-aldridge-more



5-on-5: Should Spurs trade Aldridge? Make more moves?

Who will be the San Antonio Spurs (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs)' starting point guard next season? Do they need Manu Ginobili (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/272/manu-ginobili) to return?
Our 5-on-5 crew debates and predicts San Antonio's offseason.

1. Fact or Fiction: The Spurs should trade LaMarcus Aldridge (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2983/lamarcus-aldridge).

Amin Elhassan, ESPN Insider: Fact, although I'm not particularly sure what kind of return they can get coming off the worst postseason of his career. I never felt like he was a good fit for them defensively (although he has definitely outperformed my expectations), and his reluctance to play center has limited how good he can be offensively. With the Spurs being the ultimate "next man up" system, I have to imagine that they can more than make up for his lost offensive production.

Tom Haberstroh, ESPN Insider: Fiction. I'm not in love with his game, but the criticism lately has gone a little overboard. He dropped 34 points and 12 boards in the clinching Game 6 massacre against the Houston Rockets (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/hou/houston-rockets) and then followed that up with 28 points against the presumptive 2017 NBA Finals favorites in Game 1. Yes, he has struggled to be "the guy" with Kawhi Leonard (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6450/kawhi-leonard) out against an all-time great team. So what? So would just about every player in the NBA. Keep him.

Michael C. Wright, ESPN.com: Fiction, for now. Aldridge has received plenty of criticism for his play in the Western Conference finals. But he had a difficult assignment against the best team in the league with Kawhi Leonard out of the picture.

Should the Spurs look to trade Aldridge? Maybe. For the most part, the Spurs have been pleased with what they've gotten from Aldridge over the past two seasons (with 128 regular-season wins). But it's time for San Antonio to decide the brand of ball it wants to play moving forward. With Leonard and Aldridge, the Spurs have become more of an isolation team instead of playing "the beautiful game" of years past. If the Spurs want to get back to that style of ball, then yes, they should look to move Aldridge, as plenty of teams would be interested.

Jeremias Engelmann, ESPN Insider: It depends on what they'd get. Aldridge wasn't great this season -- he ranked as the 28th-best power forward in Real Plus-Minus (RPM) -- and he makes the most money on the Spurs. Problem is, I don't really see any team being interested in trading for a 32-year-old who shoots primarily long 2-pointers, makes more than $20 million a year and plays average defense.

Kevin Pelton, ESPN Insider: Fiction. I'm not totally clear what the market would look like for Aldridge this summer. The same reasons the Spurs would consider trading him -- his age and declining production -- might also make other suitors wary. Unless San Antonio can land a star free agent who would better complement Kawhi Leonard and needs to clear salary, I don't see much point to trading Aldridge for minimal return.
2. Who should be the Spurs' starting PG next season?

Haberstroh: Patty Mills (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4004/patty-mills). The Spurs can re-sign him using Bird rights, which seems like the sensible move while Tony Parker (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1015/tony-parker) rehabs from his quad injury. My feeling is that Kawhi Leonard's handle and playmaking are getting so good that the Spurs won't need Mills to dominate the rock anyway. Dejounte Murray (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3907497/dejounte-murray) has shown promise, but it's probably too early to hand over the keys to the 20-year-old.

Wright: When Tony Parker got hurt against the Rockets, the first thing that came to mind was he'd probably never be San Antonio's starting point guard again. But I'd like to see how Parker recovers from this injury before making a call here, because just before he went down, the veteran was starting to catch a groove. Popovich said Parker had finally rounded into shape after so many injuries throughout the season had him in and out of the lineup.

If Parker isn't sufficiently recovered by the start of the season, or if he's not playing at the same level, it's time to move toward the future with Dejounte Murray, who has all the tools to develop into one of the steals of his draft class. Murray has played more minutes due to Parker's injury, and he has gained plenty of confidence along the way, which bodes well for his future.

Murray really needs to work this offseason to improve his shooting, but given the acumen of shot doctor Chip Engelland, there should be some optimism on that front. In a perfect world, Hill would return for a reunion with Popovich. But it doesn't appear San Antonio will have the cap space to make that happen.

Elhassan: Absent an absolute home run free agency heist of Chris Paul (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul) or Kyle Lowry (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3012/kyle-lowry), Dejounte Murray should be handed the reins. He gives the Spurs much needed length and athleticism, and the sooner he gets minutes the quicker he can develop to closer to what his ceiling will be.

Pelton: No matter the risk giving him a four-year contract, I don't think you'd pass on Chris Paul if he were interested. Kyle Lowry probably isn't quite enough of a sure thing in the short term to say the same. Of the other free agents, I think Jrue Holiday (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3995/jrue-holiday) is the best fit with Kawhi Leonard's timetable. If I couldn't sign one of them, I'd probably look to sign a point guard (possibly Mills) to a one-year deal to maintain 2018 flexibility and give Dejounte Murray room to grow.

Engelmann: If Patty Mills can be signed to a reasonable price, something close to $20 million per season, it should probably be him. Tony Parker hasn't been very good for a while now, and the quad injury won't make things better. If Mills signs somewhere else, Utah free agent George Hill (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3438/george-hill), whom the Spurs once traded for Kawhi Leonard, would be a tremendous fit.

3. Fact or Fiction: The Spurs need Manu Ginobili next season.

Pelton: Fact. Need is strong, as the Spurs can certainly win without Ginobili making contributions -- they did so most of the series with the Memphis Grizzlies (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/mem/memphis-grizzlies). To be their best, however, they still need Ginobili playing well. His performance during Leonard's playoff absences has shown Ginobili is still one of the few San Antonio players capable of efficiently creating his own offense.

Engelmann: Fact. Believe it or not, Ginobili was the second-best shooting guard this season, according to RPM. He is the main driving force behind the Spurs' bench being just about the best in the league season after season, he isn't showing too many signs of age and he's one of the few shot creators on the Spurs.

Wright: Fact. He has said on multiple occasions that he feels good and isn't experiencing any of the aches and pains you'd expect from a player his age. We've seen that Ginobili still has plenty left in the tank, and his teammates rave about his leadership skills. "Warrior" is the word most of the Spurs use to describe Ginobili, and you can't have enough warriors in an NBA locker room.

Elhassan: Faction. It depends on what other roster moves they make this offseason. But if they return essentially the same roster and Manu still wants to play, then there definitely is a role for him to perform.

Haberstroh: Fiction. Jonathon Simmons (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2579466/jonathon-simmons)' development has made this an easy call for me. That doesn't mean Ginobili shouldn't be brought back, but Ginobili isn't irreplaceable on the roster anymore. Just put him on ice until March and then get him ready for the postseason. At 40 years old, he's good for about one or two games a week, and that's totally fine come playoff time. Dude can still play.
4. Which of the following should be priorities?

A. Re-sign restricted free agent Jonathon Simmons, no matter what it takes
B. Re-sign free agent Dewayne Dedmon (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2580913/dewayne-dedmon) (if he opts out)
C. Re-sign free agent Pau Gasol (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/996/pau-gasol) (if he opts out)
D. Re-sign free agent David Lee (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2772/david-lee) (if he opts out)
E. Sign Kyle Anderson (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2993874/kyle-anderson) to an extension (this offseason)
F. Another move

Wright: A and B. San Antonio's brass might try to convince Simmons to take a hometown discount, which might prove difficult given he, 27, wants to get paid now. If they envision him as a starter down the road, that might be the best way to entice him to stay for less than what he'll be offered on the market.

Bertans, the 24-year-old Latvian rookie, has arguably the sweetest stroke on the squad, and he's sneaky athletic and fearless. The Spurs need to figure out a way to get him more minutes. Bertans probably needs to bulk up and improve his defense, but San Antonio has a gem here.

Pelton: D, C, B. I'm definitely not willing to pay whatever it takes to re-sign Simmons, who seems likely to be overpaid on the basis of a playoff run that was out of line with his mixed regular-season track record.

Which of the bigs to bring back depends on the market, but Lee looks likely to be the best value, especially coming off his patella injury, while Dedmon's inability to win Gregg Popovich's trust during the playoffs makes him a question mark going forward. I don't see a compelling reason to extend Anderson, particularly given his small cap hold as a restricted free agent next summer.

Engelmann: B and E. Dedmon, despite his anemic offensive abilities, was the 12th-best center in the NBA due to his elite defensive impact (Defensive RPM of 3.8, behind only Gobert among centers). Similarly, Kyle Anderson ranked as the second-best defensive wing in the NBA. Defensive specialists tend to earn less than their more offensively gifted counterparts, despite the same total impact, so these two are likely to be bargains.

Elhassan: F. Resigning Simmons should be a priority, but at some point the Spurs have to have a drop-dead price point where it's not worth it. A Kyle Anderson extension would be advisable as well, if there are savings that can be realized. Finally, re-signing Dedmon (at the right price) would be a nice retention move.

Haberstroh: A, B and E. As long as Pop is around, they'll be a destination for veteran big men looking to revive their careers and win a championship. David West (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2177/david-west) (two years ago), Pau Gasol and David Lee are nice pieces, but those guys will always be there, knocking on Pop and GM R.C. Buford's door. It's not easy to find players in their prime who are willing to be role players, but Simmons, Dedmon and Anderson should continue to blossom around Leonard. Back up the truck for them.
5. How many Western Conference finals appearances will the Spurs make in the next five years?

Elhassan: Two. They are incredibly well-disciplined and have shown an ability to plug-and-play different personnel while keeping the machine humming throughout the Popovich era.

Haberstroh: Three. As long as Popovich and Leonard are on the floor, they'll be there. Parker and Ginobili ranked sixth and 10th in team minutes this regular season and they still grabbed 61 wins. The future is bright with the 25-year-old Leonard, who keeps eliminating weaknesses like they're feeble malware.

Wright: Two, if they're lucky. But San Antonio's front office, led by general manager R.C. Buford, has a track record of prudent decisions. The key for San Antonio is placing the right pieces around Leonard, and making a decision about Aldridge's future sooner rather than later, as he can opt out of his deal after the 2018 season. Maybe the best move is to keep Aldridge in place, add a role player or two and expand roles for some of the younger players.

Engelmann: I'd put the over/under at 2.5. The Spurs are always one of the best teams in the league and it helps that there's just one other clear-cut elite team in the West. Still, the West playoffs can be incredibly tough, as the Spurs have found out in making the conference finals only once in the past three seasons.

Pelton: My assessment is two as the most likely number. That seems preposterous given how successful the Spurs have been, but remember that they've been to the conference finals just three of the past five years despite winning an average of better than 60 games in that span. With the Golden State Warriors (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/gs/golden-state-warriors) around, the rest of the West is playing for one spot in the conference finals for the foreseeable future.

[PopTheGOAT]

Has anyone actually seen the FA list for next year? It's real fucking sad from positions 1 -5.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/point-guard/
R:lolse, L:lolwry, H:lolliday

George Hill I wouldn't mind if it was a reasonable deal. Doubtful imo. Just not many options. I think they should roll with Dejounte and sign a backup, tbh. Just sign a 2 guard that is decent and isn't 6'0" tall.

[HarlemHeat37]

^^20 mil per year for Patty:lol there would be a mass suicide here..

[PopTheGOAT]

Otto Porter? Doubt we can afford him, but I would love that sign. I recall him in an interview saying he wanted to model his game after Kawhi. 23 yrs old.

Ibaka? On a $12 mil/year deal. 27 yrs old. Can possibly let Dedmon go with this sign.

Bring JaMychal Green back?

Olynyk is the best FA center :lol

[Atl Spur]

Let Murray get out there and start the beginning of a new era! You have Kawhi to help him and furthermore this dude has IT! He's just young and plays undisciplined right now but he will get better with more reps/experience.

[Darius Bieber]

I just want Pau and Aldridge gone. The fucking corpse of Joel Anthony played with more heart than they did.

[Hoops Czar]

Fact or fiction: The Spurs should trade Lamarcus Aldridge. You lost me at fiction.

[HarlemHeat37]

Otto Porter? Doubt we can afford him, but I would love that sign. I recall him in an interview saying he wanted to model his game after Kawhi. 23 yrs old.

Ibaka? On a $12 mil/year deal. 27 yrs old. Can possibly let Dedmon go with this sign.

Bring JaMychal Green back?

Olynyk is the best FA center :lol
:lmao

[NASpurs]

Otto Porter? Doubt we can afford him, but I would love that sign. I recall him in an interview saying he wanted to model his game after Kawhi. 23 yrs old.

Ibaka? On a $12 mil/year deal. 27 yrs old. Can possibly let Dedmon go with this sign.

Bring JaMychal Green back?

Olynyk is the best FA center :lol

Otto Porter is a RFA tho. Some of the decent (not great) players next year seem to be RFAs which sucks.


:lmao

:lol he's been 27 well over a decade now

[PopTheGOAT]

Otto Porter is a RFA tho. Some of the decent (not great) players next year seem to be RFAs which sucks.



:lol he's been 27 well over a decade now :lol yeah that's questionable to say the least.

[DAF86]

Let every free agent go but Dedmon. Trade LA for the last pick in the 2035 draft and roll with the youth movement.

Murray, Green, Leonard, Bertans and Dedmon.

[spursistan]

LMA is gone imo. His body language and Pop going out of his way to avoid him cements that for me.
Pop with another subtle shot at him after benching his ass in the 4th quarter..Going to be an interesting off-season,..


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[GSH]

Otto Porter? Doubt we can afford him, but I would love that sign. I recall him in an interview saying he wanted to model his game after Kawhi. 23 yrs old.



Remember - without Pop and the Spurs' system, Kawhi would be Otto Porter. So if the real Otto Porter came to this system he'd be Michael Jordan.
(Sorry for those who don't remember that dumbass article earlier this year, that said Kawhi was basically Porter in a good system.)

Yes, Porter is restricted. And, no, the Wizards aren't letting him walk. The cap is going to mess with a lot of peoples' dreams this year.

[BillMc]

:wakeup

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/19438819/san-antonio-spurs-offseason-preview-nba-5-5-kawhi-leonard-lamarcus-aldridge-more

Thanks for posting this. :toast



Engelmann: If Patty Mills can be signed to a reasonable price, something close to $20 million per season, it should probably be him.

If RC gives Patty 20 mill a year, my mind will explode Scanners style.

[Nathan89]

20mil for a 6ft shooter:lmao

[GSH]

The guy who said that signing Kyle to an extension should be a priority for the team goes on to say that Kyle is the second-best defensive wing in the NBA. Can anyone actually tell me what position Anderson plays? And I don't mean when Danny is out with an injury, and the lineup is being shuffled. I mean what is his natural position? I think everyone has finally given up on talking about him being a PG or a combo guard. Right? Now we just have to work on this "wing" thing.

The one other guy who mentioned Kyle said that the Spurs should "back up the (money) truck" for Simmons, Dedmon, and Kyle . Oh hell yeah, that's what I want to hear. Back up the money truck and just commit ALL the damn cap room to Simmons, Dedmon, and Kyle. Send a message to the league.

[GSH]

If RC gives Patty 20 mill a year, my mind will explode Scanners style.


Scanners! :D I still remember that scene. It was groundbreaking. I paid to watch the movie a second time, just to see that head explode.

[MaNu4Tres]

The guy who said that signing Kyle to an extension should be a priority for the team goes on to say that Kyle is the second-best defensive wing in the NBA. Can anyone actually tell me what position Anderson plays? And I don't mean when Danny is out with an injury, and the lineup is being shuffled. I mean what is his natural position? I think everyone has finally given up on talking about him being a PG or a combo guard. Right? Now we just have to work on this "wing" thing.

The one other guy who mentioned Kyle said that the Spurs should "back up the (money) truck" for Simmons, Dedmon, and Kyle . Oh hell yeah, that's what I want to hear. Back up the money truck and just commit ALL the damn cap room to Simmons, Dedmon, and Kyle. Send a message to the league.

Dont take them seriously. Most of those guys outside of Wright have no clue about the Spurs. Id be willing to take a lot of STs opinions over most of these clowns..tbh

[BillMc]

Scanners! :D I still remember that scene. It was groundbreaking. I paid to watch the movie a second time, just to see that head explode.

If you pay Patty Mills 20 million you'll get to see my impression of it. :lol

[ace3g]

I don't think Hanga signing depends on Manu but...

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[Ditty]

Aldridge will be back at least for next season. Could be dangled around in trade talks this summer, but I don't see anything happening.
Gasol will be back for his last season with SA also. Will come off the bench.
Re-sign Dedmon, or hope he opts in which I doubt.
Re-sign Simmons
Re-sign Lee
Keep Anderson, and extend if needed
Let Patty walk. Will probably go to the Lakers or Kings to get a payday.
Sign Livingston, Collison, Mack, Clark or Teodosic
Draft an American power forward or shooting guard
Convince Dwyane Wade to not go to Cleveland for the minimum
Don't jeopardize much for the following offseason when we could have a lot of salary cap money, and some better players available.

[Robz4000]

:lmao holy shit if the Spurs give Mills $20mil

[SAGirl]

Did LM get benched the entire 4th quarter?
Yes.

[SAGirl]

DE shot him up 10 spots after combine.

Im hoping hes there at 29. Been loving him for months now. Let me hope.
Is Bell a beast rebounder?

[outmap]

PG
Jrue Holiday is a big PG that can do a lot of things good but nothing great, I think he might come in at around 4yr. 12.5M/yr ave. If not, second option is to try Rose if he can be had for the MLE. Last option is to throw DJ at the pit and let him develop. (No to Lowry and GHill)

SG
If Simmons and/or Manu resigned, we're good; if not, Reddick is the only one that can contribute right away, and I'm not a fan of his defense. McClemore, Pope, or Young are decent projects but we might have to wait for their development (which I think is overdue, so it would be a risk if they don;t pan out).

SF
Leonard and Potatohead are enough for me; otherwise, Beasley would be a cheap option or bring in Hanga.

PF
Only Ibaka is young enough to be worth investing among the power forwards; Patterson also, but he has limited potential.

C
i'd rather draft young guys with high potential like Giles, Jeanne, Pasecniks, Adebayo and Bradley, or bring in Mulitinov.

If they can find a taker for either LMA and Pau, I will be thrilled!

[Nathan89]

PG
Jrue Holiday is a big PG that can do a lot of things good but nothing great, I think he might come in at around 4yr. 12.5M/yr ave. If not, second option is to try Rose if he can be had for the MLE. Last option is to throw DJ at the pit and let him develop. (No to Lowry and GHill)



Holiday is getting much more than that.

[rasuo214]

PG is one of the deepest positions in the league, who in their right mind would offer Patty anywhere near $20 mil a year?

[Robz4000]

Series isn't over (yet) obviously, but might as well get this warmed up.

Poo needs to diaf.
-LMA should be dangled to see what can be had for him, but otherwise keep him.
-Parker needs to be moved to the bench, but still has something.
-Manu needs to be taken out back and shot.
-Green will be fine as long as the Spurs get a new penetrating PG. Not sure you can move him anyway since his D is so important.
-Kawhi needs to work a bit on his handles and handling physical defenders
-Mills, Dedmon, Simmons, and Lee can leave
-Get Bertans and Murray some consistent damn playing time

Everyone's thoughts?

Now that the season is officially over:

-Too much bad from Poo this postseason, but he made some good adjustments against Houston. Need to take into account it was against Pringles, but hopefully he comes into next season with some fire ala 2014.

-Still feel the same about LMA, but god damn was he pathetic.

-Parker's injury changes things. If his recovery time is lengthy they need to dump his contract ASAP. Hopefully they have an idea now so they can act before the draft.

-:worthy: Manu :worthy:. Was wrong on Manu, but I think he retires regardless.

-Feel the same with LDN; definitely should stick around.

-Kawhi will do him, no worries.

-Simmons should be kept if possible (and with a reasonable number). Won't miss the rest, albeit I wouldn't mind Lee back if he's the fifth big.

-Murray and Bertans looked good with minutes; hopefully they have a jump in ability next year.

-In other news, dumping Gasol should be a no-brainer.

[SAGirl]

:wakeup

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/19438819/san-antonio-spurs-offseason-preview-nba-5-5-kawhi-leonard-lamarcus-aldridge-more
Thanks for sharing.
Surprising that they mention signing Anderson to an extension as an off-season priority of sorts. IMO it could end up being a bargain. He's been kept on ice by Pop in the backburner and is just 23 years old. His best years as a player are still ahead of him. Unsure myself about this but it would make sense for the Spurs if they don't like the 2018 FA class and like him enough to keep him.
Some guys will be upset here but it's likely a good investment.

[SAGirl]

^^20 mil per year for Patty:lol there would be a mass suicide here..
I saw that.
:td

[Emperor]

Thanks for sharing.
Surprising that they mention signing Anderson to an extension as an off-season priority of sorts. IMO it could end up being a bargain. He's been kept on ice by Pop in the backburner and is just 23 years old. His best years as a player are still ahead of him. Unsure myself about this but it would make sense for the Spurs if they don't like the 2018 FA class and like him enough to keep him.
Some guys will be upset here but it's likely a good investment.

I was one of the biggest Kyle haters around but he showed alot of heart and confidence against a stacked Golden State squad. I'm cool with Spurs extending him.

[TheDoctor]

Get rid of LMA, Gasol, Forbes...Have Murray work on his defense and jump shooting...make a play at Paul George
I'd rather trade for Giannis tbh. That way you can bring DJ as the 6th man. With his handles and quickness he can wreck havoc vs other team's benches.

Also that trio of wingspaness gotta be insane and suffocating!

DJ
Giannis
Kawhi

Damn I just got an erection thinking about that distant possibility.

[SAGirl]

I don't think Hanga signing depends on Manu but...

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I wonder why the condition on Manu retiring .. I assume playing time is a reason. I mean Pop forcibly retired Bonner finally after Davis agreed to a deal.

[TheDoctor]

I wonder why the condition on Manu retiring .. I assume playing time is a reason. I mean Pop forcibly retired Bonner finally after Davis agreed to a deal.
LOL Manu is no stinking Bonner tho'. They gave him a 14MM contract because he is Manu Ginobili. If Gino wants another year he will get it tbh

[Robz4000]

I'd rather trade for Giannis tbh. That way you can bring DJ as the 6th man. With his handles and quickness he can wreck havoc vs other team's benches.

Also that trio of wingspaness gotta be insane and suffocating!

DJ
Giannis
Kawhi

Damn I just got an erection thinking about that distant possibility.

The Bucks wouldn't even take Kawhi for Antetokounmpo straight up tbh.

[SAGirl]

LOL Manu is no stinking Bonner tho'. They gave him a 14MM contract because he is Manu Ginobili. If Gino wants another year he will get it tbh
Yes.
I was just mentioning that Bonners role was clearly going to be taken.
In no way is anyone going to be Manu but minutes are out there to be had if he retires or not. Spurs hold Hanga's rights but he's 28 and not looking forward to joining a stacked team with no possible avenue to playing time. All a player asks is a chance but if Spurs were to reup Simmons and Manu comes back there really is no playing time to be had

[Mal]

I'd rather trade for Giannis tbh. That way you can bring DJ as the 6th man. With his handles and quickness he can wreck havoc vs other team's benches.

Also that trio of wingspaness gotta be insane and suffocating!

DJ
Giannis
Kawhi

Damn I just got an erection thinking about that distant possibility.

You really thinking of trading LMA for Giannis ?????? Even AI in 2k would laugh at you.

[99 Problems]

Hanga coming regardless.

[objective]

Any writer who thinks the Spurs should give Mills near $20 million a year is a piece of garbage.

[r0drig0lac]

Hanga coming regardless.
this

Murray/PG backup/Parker???
Danny/Hanga/Ginobili??
Kawhi/Simmons
Bertans/Kyle
Lamarcus/Dedmon

[objective]

In case anyone doesn't know, Aldridge has a 15% trade kicker.

Could make trading him even more difficult for those inclined towards that course.

[TheDoctor]

You really thinking of trading LMA for Giannis ?????? Even AI in 2k would laugh at you.
Althought it's a pipe dream, it obviously can't be straight. C'mon dude, you're smarter than that. You need to match salaries too and I believe Giannis is at 25MM.

[cjw]

One thing I would actually be okay with is if the Sixers spent some of their exorbitant cap space to reunite the Manu-Mills-Diaw trio (and have Splitter in street clothes while they're at it). Get some vets on that team.

That is unless they all want to sign cheap in San Antonio.

[Ice009]

Althought it's a pipe dream, it obviously can't be straight. C'mon dude, you're smarter than that. You need to match salaries too and I believe Giannis is at 25MM.

How is Giannis getting paid more than Aldridge and Kawhi? Did he sign an extension last off-season or something?

[SPURt]

A couple of draft targets that look intriguing to me and going in the Spurs draft range: Terrance Ferguson and Hamidou Diallo. Would love to see young talent at the 2 spot between Kawhi and DJ. It's unlikely they contribute much next year but it'd be nice to get them in the pipeline.

[ducks]

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2014/3/24/5534988/adam-hanga-spurs-europe-player-develop
Is Adam Hanga a Spur in the making?

[Chomag]

Trade LMA for a new Taco stand at the AT&T center. Hopefully that would be legal lol

[TXstbobcat]

How is Giannis getting paid more than Aldridge and Kawhi? Did he sign an extension last off-season or something?

The Bucks signed him to a 4 year 100 million dollar extension.

[GSH]

The salary cap this season is projected to be in the neighborhood of $101M - $102M, depending on who you talk to.
If everyone opts into their player options and the Spurs keep their first round draft pick, they have right at $98M in salaries committed. With no Patty Mills, no Jonathan Simmons, and an injured Tony Parker.
The Spurs are going to be over the cap, and they are still going to have to find some solid players on cheap contracts.

DeJounte Murray will cost the team $1.3M. He's going to get a lot of minutes at the point next season. He's already better than Patty Mills was in either his first or second seasons. By next year, I think he'll be better than Patty was in his third season, when he came to SA. Mills/Parker/Murray? I don't think so.

Kyle Anderson's $2.15M contract makes him both affordable and a bargain. He's on the team and getting minutes.

The Spurs have one legit trade asset, and nobody who has ever watched basketball failed to notice that he was a freaking eunuch in the playoffs. Nobody is going to send the Spurs a young star who could take over in the playoffs when Kawhi goes down, in exchange for Aldridge. They will keep that guy, and let him lead THEIR team in the playoffs. So when you propose trades for Aldridge, just remember that nobody the Spurs get would be able to do what you wanted LMA to do this year.

The Spurs will need to get some help from players on cheap contracts. 10-year vets on a 1-year min contract actually get part of their salary picked up by the league. Manu could be one of those guys.

There are a lot of young big men that are draft eligible this year. (C's and PF/C's) At least a couple of them are going to be draft steals. Remember - Marcin Gortat went at #57. Paul Milsap #47. Marc Gasol #48. Hassan Whiteside #33. But guys like that aren't dominant big men in their first couple of years. If the Spurs snag one, he will bring incremental help, not an instant All-Star.

[Joseph Kony]

I think it's highly likely Spurs return basically the same team next season with a few small tweaks. They'll likely be cheap and try to preserve the 2018 space by bringing over some stashed players imo...

Murray/(FA-mid level)/Parker
Green/Hanga/Forbes
Leonard/Anderson
Aldridge/Bertans
Gasol/Multinov

Simmons/Mills/Dedmon likely gone (though i would like to keep Dedmon, i'm sure he will get offered a good deal and probably will bolt after the shitty treatment from Pop), highly doubt spurs will trade LMA and even more doubt Pau will opt out of his deal. Knowing Parker's situation spurs have to target a PG in free agency or via trade, i dont think this is even debatable. Spurs will likely target another FA that can play SF/PF or a C/PF. imo

[RD2191]

Any way we can get in on Millsap?

[TXstbobcat]

Any way we can get in on Millsap?

Gasol would have to opt out which is not likely. Even then I don't think the Spurs would have salary cap room to afford Milsap.

[Joseph Kony]

Any way we can get in on Millsap?
Unlikely. He opted out of a 22 mil contract and some team will likely throw a max contract at him (around 30+ iirc) so unless spurs make a good amount of moves and he takes a paycut, seems pretty unlikely. Would love to have him over LMA's soft ass

[Jdspur20]

When is the deadline for players to Opt out? (If they so choose to)

[TXstbobcat]

When is the deadline for players to Opt out? (If they so choose to)

June 29th is the last day.

[venitian navigator]

the only decent option as point guard, except for the big names, maybe afordable with the mle, is Livingston...the only way to steal him is proposing him what he doesn't have in gs (starting point guard on a contender team).

[SpursforSix]

Gasol would have to opt out which is not likely. Even then I don't think the Spurs would have salary cap room to afford Milsap.

What if Gasol dieded?

[TXstbobcat]

What if Gasol dieded?

Weird damn question but i think that if a player on the roster passed away the Spurs could use the disabled player exception.

[TheDoctor]

What if Gasol dieded?
I am sure there must be an insurance for that.

[cd98]

Espn insider has stuff on Spurs offseason rebuild. But it may be just a bunch of garbage we already know.

[SpursforSix]

Weird damn question but i think that if a player on the roster passed away the Spurs could use the disabled player exception.

Hmmm. Same with Parker?

Just thinking out loud here.

[SpursforSix]

I am sure there must be an insurance for that.

What are the exceptions?

[Jdspur20]

George Hill and Iggie would be great defensive pick ups.

[spursistan]

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[spursistan]

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[spursistan]

Expected after a stinker of playoffs :lol.

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[rjv]

867076888560365569 not sure what but i think it would make sense if the spurs make dramatic rotation changes if not just wholesale roster amendments.

[NASpurs]

Expected after a stinker of playoffs :lol.

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I nearly threw up reading that quote and the realization that Pau is going to be here, getting paid $16 mil. What a dark cloud hanging over the organization next year.

[MaNu4Tres]

I nearly threw up reading that quote and the realization that Pau is going to be here, getting paid $16 mil. What a dark cloud hanging over the organization next year.

If Spurs can get a FA to come here, you better bet your ass Spurs will trade him in a heartbeat. His opt in means zero if Spurs can get the FA they want. Whether if its CP3, Hayward or Jrue.

[NASpurs]

If Spurs can get a FA to come here, you better bet your ass Spurs will trade him in a heartbeat. His opt in means zero if Spurs can get the FA they want. Whether if its CP3, Hayward or Jrue.

What teams could take on a salary dump like Pau in order for the Spurs to clear up cap space? The real great thing about it is that it's an expiring contract.

[mo7888]

What teams could take on a salary dump like Pau in order for the Spurs to clear up cap space? The real great thing about it is that it's an expiring contract.

He won't be hard to move. Several of the GM's out there see real value n him and will point to things like him having more blocks than any other player over the last 25 games...his PER etc to justify the acquisition.

[MaNu4Tres]

What teams could take on a salary dump like Pau in order for the Spurs to clear up cap space? The real great thing about it is that it's an expiring contract.

I can see a situation where Spurs do Gasol a solid and trade him to Memphis to finish his career where it all started and to play with his brother.

Whether if its Gasol to Memphis for a conditional second (if they can open up space to soak up Gasol). Or trade for Brandan Wright straight up. Spurs would net 11 million in space in the deal instead of 16, but they'd also get a Dedmon replacement for next year without committing 3-4 years.

[sasaint]

I can see a situation where Spurs do Gasol a solid and trade him to Memphis to finish his career where it all started and to play with his brother.

Whether if its Gasol to Memphis for a conditional second (if they can open up space to soak up Gasol). Or trade for Brandan Wright straight up. Spurs would net 11 million in space in the deal instead of 16, but they'd also get a Dedmon replacement for next year without committing 3-4 years.

:tu I like that idea - either one. I don't know whether PATFO is even proactive enough to think of it.

[DPG21920]

Spurs should have no problem dumping Pau to land a FA they love even if it cost them their first rounder this year (worst case)

[DesignatedT]

The Miami Heat and Chris Bosh may be nearing an agreement that would relieve the team of Bosh's salary going forward, the Sun Sentinel's Ira Winderman reported Tuesday.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711358-chris-bosh-heat-reportedly-working-on-deal-to-shed-salary-in-contract

[Darius Bieber]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711358-chris-bosh-heat-reportedly-working-on-deal-to-shed-salary-in-contract

Chris Bosh is more done than LMA tbh.

[mo7888]

Chris Bosh is more done than LMA tbh.

Yes, but it gets him off their books and opens up their cap space to take a player like LMA or Pau

[Spurs9]

Gasol will be traded.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Forget chasing someone like Paul. I know the cap gymnastics are tough, but this front office has proven it's pretty creative when it needs to be.

You want to sharpen the sword for dealing with the Warriors next year?

Go get Iguodala and Redick this offseason. You add two perimeter threats who can score, create, and in the case of Iggy you add another dynamic defender to pair with Kawhi and Green.

[MaNu4Tres]

Forget chasing someone like Paul. I know the cap gymnastics are tough, but this front office has proven it's pretty creative when it needs to be.

You want to sharpen the sword for dealing with the Warriors next year?

Go get Iguodala and Redick this offseason. You add two perimeter threats who can score, create, and in the case of Iggy you add another dynamic defender to pair with Kawhi and Green.

Wont have the money for that. If Iggy takes a paycut, it will be to stay in GS. Reddick will get 18-22 mil.

[Nathan89]

Reddick is going to cost too much and Iguodala can't shoot.

[objective]

What teams could take on a salary dump like Pau in order for the Spurs to clear up cap space? The real great thing about it is that it's an expiring contract.

If they can't dump him for free to a team like Minnesota, the going rate for about 15 million is a first round pick.

Brooklyn took on 3 yrs going forward and almost $20 million to get the 22nd pick from Washington

A 2018 lotto protected first will get it done

[TD 21]

I can see a situation where Spurs do Gasol a solid and trade him to Memphis to finish his career where it all started and to play with his brother.

Whether if its Gasol to Memphis for a conditional second (if they can open up space to soak up Gasol). Or trade for Brandan Wright straight up. Spurs would net 11 million in space in the deal instead of 16, but they'd also get a Dedmon replacement for next year without committing 3-4 years.

Doesn't work financially and there's no realistic path to doing so. If he get's traded, it'll probably be to the Timberwolves and as a means to an end to signing Hill.

[tholdren]

I nearly threw up reading that quote and the realization that Pau is going to be here, getting paid $16 mil. What a dark cloud hanging over the organization next year.

David lee for 2.3 was a steal. Pau is making 8x lee.... and hes about a third of the player

[MaNu4Tres]

Doesn't work financially and there's no realistic path to doing so. If he get's traded, it'll probably be to the Timberwolves and as a means to an end to signing Hill.

It will in July, if players are renounced and both teams are under the cap. IIRC

Right now it won't work, as the incoming aggregate Gasol salary to the Grizzlies exceeds what's allowed via the 125% plus 100,000 rule. Both teams are currently over the cap.

[bic50]

Keep lee

[TXstbobcat]

Keep lee

Lee will more than likely opt in for next year.

[TheDoctor]

Lee will more than likely opt in for next year.

I believe so too.

[objective]

It will in July, if players are renounced and both teams are under the cap. IIRC

Right now it won't work, as the incoming aggregate Gasol salary to the Grizzlies exceeds what's allowed via the 125% plus 100,000 rule. Both teams are currently over the cap.

Don't really think that they would renounce Randolph, Green, and Allen just to get Pau.

Maybe Randolph, but the cap holds in Green and Allen take them over the cap I think

[r0drig0lac]

Expected after a stinker of playoffs :lol.

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[MaNu4Tres]

Don't really think that they would renounce Randolph, Green, and Allen just to get Pau.

Maybe Randolph, but the cap holds in Green and Allen take them over the cap I think

Randolph is the biggest hold. They'd have to renounce him & VC. Greens hold is barely anything. I can see them valuing Pau over Randolph. As for VC, If he wants to stay, he can pull a Manu and agree to get renounced but have a handshake deal under the table to re-sign after the fact.

Anyway, regardless Spurs won't have problems dumping Pau, if Spurs get a free agent they want, they'll be able to move Pau's 1 year deal pretty easily.

[Jdspur20]

I can see a situation where Spurs do Gasol a solid and trade him to Memphis to finish his career where it all started and to play with his brother.

Whether if its Gasol to Memphis for a conditional second (if they can open up space to soak up Gasol). Or trade for Brandan Wright straight up. Spurs would net 11 million in space in the deal instead of 16, but they'd also get a Dedmon replacement for next year without committing 3-4 years.

Great idea.

[ace3g]

If the Spurs target another PF/C, that player needs to be a good passer.

[TheGreatYacht]

1. Trade Aldridge to Boston for Avery Bradley. Makes sense for both teams. Celtics get a starting PF that isn't Amir Johnson and Gerald Green, make playing time room for Fultz, and get something in return for their guard on an expiring contract. Spurs free up around $10M and get a perfect fit for us.

2. Trade Danny Green for a 1st round pick to free up his $10M due for next season.

3. Get Manu's huge cap hold out of the way. Sign him for the vet min or get rid of him. Doesn't matter

4. Max out CP3.

Spurs go into next year with a Starting lineup consisting of Gasol, Anderson, Leonard, Bradley, and CP3. On paper that lineup matches great defensively against Golden state, which should be the only objective from now on. Going into the 2018 offseason with Parker and Gasol's combined $30M off the books is a win as well.

[TheGreatYacht]

MaNu4Tres Cavs have no answer for Boston's Horford/Brown/Bradley/Smart/Rozier lineup (1C, 3G's, 1PG)

[MaNu4Tres]

MaNu4Tres Cavs have no answer for Boston's Horford/Brown/Bradley/Smart/Rozier lineup (1C, 3G's, 1PG)

That's the way you have to go to beat the best teams.

That's why last offseason I was so against Gasol. I wanted Harkless and to go small w/ LA - Harkless - Kawhi - Green. Hopefully Spurs can smell the roses and transition this summer.

[tholdren]

That's the way you have to go to beat the best teams.

That's why last offseason I was so against Gasol. I wanted Harkless and to go small w/ LA - Harkless - Kawhi - Green. Hopefully Spurs can smell the roses and transition this summer.

Really you dont even need a center. Especially out west. Spurs lineup should have been, murray manu, green/simmons, anderson, bertans. Guys who can pass, run, shoot three, and play defense.

[CGD]

1. Trade Aldridge to Boston for Avery Bradley. Makes sense for both teams. Celtics get a starting PF that isn't Amir Johnson and Gerald Green, make playing time room for Fultz, and get something in return for their guard on an expiring contract. Spurs free up around $10M and get a perfect fit for us.

2. Trade Danny Green for a 1st round pick to free up his $10M due for next season.

3. Get Manu's huge cap hold out of the way. Sign him for the vet min or get rid of him. Doesn't matter

4. Max out CP3.

Spurs go into next year with a Starting lineup consisting of Gasol, Anderson, Leonard, Bradley, and CP3. On paper that lineup matches great defensively against Golden state, which should be the only objective from now on. Going into the 2018 offseason with Parker and Gasol's combined $30M off the books is a win as well.

Some tweeks:

1. Trade LMA to PHX for Bender, Dudley's contract, picks #32 and 54. Shave 6 million and get a young big on Kawhi/Murrays timeline for future.

2. Trade Danny to ATL for Dunlevy's expiring deal (team option) and #19. Shave 10 million after not picking up Dunleveys deal.

3. Have Pau opt out and resign for 30/3yrs , with deal starting at 9M. Shave another 7 million while keeping starting Center.

4. Deal with Manu cap hold

5. Use 19, 29, 32 to find wing help in draft or via trade to replace Danny.

6. Max out Paul


Run with:

CP3/Hobbled TP/Pick
Murray/Pick/Forbes
Leonard/Hanga/Dudley
Bender/Bertans/Kyle
Gasol/Mulitinov

[NASpurs]

San Antonio Spurs a threat to take Gordon Hayward from Utah Jazz?


http://purpleandblues.com/2017/05/23/san-antonio-spurs-threat-take-gordon-hayward-utah-jazz/

Just little beads of sweat from Jizz Fans thinking about Hayward going to the Spurs.

[CGD]

San Antonio Spurs a threat to take Gordon Hayward from Utah Jazz?


http://purpleandblues.com/2017/05/23/san-antonio-spurs-threat-take-gordon-hayward-utah-jazz/

Just little beads of sweat from Jizz Fans thinking about Hayward going to the Spurs.

Since PHX is so under the Cap, can they just essentially take LMA into space?

If so, three way deal:

Utah S&T Hayword to Spurs

Spurs trade LMA to PHX

PHX sends 32 and Spurs 29 to Jazz for their troubles (they would have netted nothing had Hayword just walked)

Hayword and Leonard together would be awesome to go with Murray. Better than adding CP3 for 5 years I think.

[mo7888]

Since PHX is so under the Cap, can they just essentially take LMA into space?

If so, three way deal:

Utah S&T Hayword to Spurs

Spurs trade LMA to PHX

PHX sends 32 and Spurs 29 to Jazz for their troubles (they would have netted nothing had Hayword just walked)

Hayword and Leonard together would be awesome to go with Murray. Better than adding CP3 for 5 years I think.

I would think we could get bender out of that exchange as well. From phx's perspective they give up bender and a late pick for Aldridge. ...not bad for them..

[NASpurs]

Since PHX is so under the Cap, can they just essentially take LMA into space?

If so, three way deal:

Utah S&T Hayword to Spurs

Spurs trade LMA to PHX

PHX sends 32 and Spurs 29 to Jazz for their troubles (they would have netted nothing had Hayword just walked)

Hayword and Leonard together would be awesome to go with Murray. Better than adding CP3 for 5 years I think.

Man that would be so awesome, you could get away with playing Leonard at the 4 because that's today's NBA (or trade DG if you want to go conventional I guess).

Murray
Green
Hayward
Leonard
*whoever*

:wow and all of them except DG under 30.

[Ice009]

Since PHX is so under the Cap, can they just essentially take LMA into space?

If so, three way deal:

Utah S&T Hayword to Spurs

Spurs trade LMA to PHX

PHX sends 32 and Spurs 29 to Jazz for their troubles (they would have netted nothing had Hayword just walked)

Hayword and Leonard together would be awesome to go with Murray. Better than adding CP3 for 5 years I think.

How did Hayward play against the Warriors? What were his stats?

[MaNu4Tres]

1- Jrue Holiday
2- Green
3 - Kawhi
4- Kyle
5- LA

1- Murray/ Forbes/ TP***?
2- Hanga / Diallo ( Buy early 2nd - ATX Spurs)
3- Simmons/ Sefolosha ( vet min)
4- Bertans/ Lee
5- Jordan Bell ( 29th pick)/ Withey/ Militunov?***

TP has trouble coming back/ retires
Pau is salary dumped
Patty signs in NY or Philly
Dedmon signs elsewhere

[MaNu4Tres]

1- Murray
2- Green
3 - Hayward
4- Kawhi
5- LA

1- Simmons/ Mack/ TP??**
2- Hanga/Forbes
3- Bertans/ Sefolosha
4- Kyle / Lee
5- Jordan Bell ( 29th pick)/ Withey

TP has trouble coming back/ retires
Pau is salary dumped
Patty signs in NY or Philly
Dedmon signs elsewhere

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Pro tip: if you have Kyle as a starter or sixth man your plan sucks. He's just not quick enough in today's NBA to matter in the postseason.

[MaNu4Tres]

Pro tip: if you have Kyle as a starter or sixth man your plan sucks. He's just not quick enough in today's NBA to matter in the postseason.

Good to know. Great takes as always.

[Hoops Czar]

Pro tip: if you have Kyle as a starter or sixth man your plan sucks. He's just not quick enough in today's NBA to matter in the postseason.

Elite poster

[GSH]

Spurs should have no problem dumping Pau to land a FA they love even if it cost them their first rounder this year (worst case)


If the Spurs are half as good at drafting talent as the legend says, then losing this year's first round pick is a freaking disaster. Paying Pau for a year is a one-year inconvenience. What FA could they love that much, who has a legit chance of coming here? CP3, D-Wade, Hayward? Maybe. But that's pretty much the short list. Anyone else either isn't coming here, or isn't worth giving up Pau plus the first round pick.

You and I disagreed about rebuilding this past season. We'll never know, because of Tony and Kawhi both getting injured. But now, mortgaging the future to try and to a rebuild-in-place with this many holes and this many bad contracts? It's just not smart. It's a matter of "wasting" one year of Kawhi's prime vs. wasting multiple years.

The only exception to that I can see is if one or two vets decide to take a Spurs-friendly deal to allow them to fill out the roster. There's no way of planning for something like that to happen.

[dabom]

Good to know. Great takes as always.

Fathead starter. :lmao