Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[Chinook]

Kyle's getting minutes over like half of your proposed rotation.

[DPG21920]

Kyle's getting minutes over like half of your proposed rotation.

Especially because he's still a top 4 defender on the team and can play in multiple lineup variations (big or small).

[raybies]

Kyle's getting minutes over like half of your proposed rotation.
Yup, I even think he has a good chance to start if they choose to bring Gay along slowly. But he's earned his spot in the rotation. It's his to lose.

[duncan2150]

I'm not that high on Kyle but yes he will play, the guy that question me is bertans, he's a hell of a shooter but doesn't have a lot of others things to his game....

A back up rotations of kyle and bertans at SF/PF is too weak for me.

[Chinook]

Yup, I even think he has a good chance to start if they choose to bring Gay along slowly. But he's earned his spot in the rotation. It's his to lose.

Kawhi getting SG minutes is probably more likely than Paul or the other prospects getting two-guard minutes. Anderson can play there as well.

[cd021]

I'm not that high on Kyle but yes he will play, the guy that question me is bertans, he's a hell of a shooter but doesn't have a lot of others things to his game....

A back up rotations of kyle and bertans at SF/PF is too weak for me.

I am actually not down on a potential Mills-Manu-Anderson-Bertans-Gasol bench. Would be much better with Dedmon in place of Gasol as a roll man and rim protector.

[RD2191]

I am actually not down on a potential Mills-Manu-Anderson-Bertans-Gasol bench. Would be much better with Dedmon in place of Gasol as a roll man and rim protector.

Dedmon? He's a Hawk now.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania) 18s (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/886331505630478336)
Sources: The Clippers have waived forward Kyle Wiltjer, who was acquired in Chris Paul deal.

[NickiRasgo]

I don't mind Mason Plumlee or Jeff Whitey though. Both can block shots and white. :lol

[ace3g]

For any signs Willie Reed signs with the Spurs:

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[NickiRasgo]

For any signs Willie Reed signs with the Spurs:

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[ace3g]

Keith Smith @KeithSmithNBA
(https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA) 20s (https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/886342182852075521)
League sources: Boris Diaw cleared waivers and is now an unrestricted free agent.

[TimDunkem]

I don't mind Mason Plumlee or Jeff Whitey though. Both can block shots and white. :lol
Tha' fuck? They also get dunked on and do nothing well. We already have Gasol for that.

[NickiRasgo]

Tha' fuck? They also get dunked on and do nothing well. We already have Gasol for that.

What's option we have with the remaining Centers in the free agent. Willie Reed will be expensive but hoping.

[TimDunkem]

What's option we have with the remaining Centers in the free agent.
How about neither of those scrubs?

[duncan2150]

What's option we have with the remaining Centers in the free agent. Willie Reed will be expensive but hoping.

Reed or terrence Jones could be good.

[apalisoc_9]

I don't mind Mason Plumlee or Jeff Whitey though. Both can block shots and white. :lol
TheGreatYacht

[SAGirl]

I would rather have Mills than Rondo or Rose IMO.

But man, Pau is a really patient dude. Obviously him and SA have a deal worked out because there is basically no FA money left for him outside of SA :lol. But I'm sure he would probably rather have his deal locked up but I guess the Manu news is really holding this up because SA has an apron to be concerned about.

any chance potential trades are also holding up his deal?

[Mal]

any chance potential trades are also holding up his deal?

Rather trying to aquire another cheap piece that's still left. And trying to squeeze as much money this year, so cap space next year is as big as possible.

[DPG21920]

any chance potential trades are also holding up his deal?

Definitley could be. With using the MLE, SA has a hard cap. If they are working on trades, depending on salary in and salary out, it impacts what they can give to Pau.

[ceperez]

Looks like we have successful offseason:

Spurs got themselves a Curry-lite, Harden-lite and CP3-lite.

Welcome Forbes, White and BP3 to the team!!

[raybies]

well SL is over for us, now just clarity on Manu's situation, Pau's inevitable contract, then onto the deep abyss for 2 1/2 months...

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[Mr. Body]

Knicks should trade Carmelo for absolutely anything they can. Portland actually is one place where he can work. In Houston he'd be hilarious.

[cjw]

I still think the second two way contract will be a big if Manu returns, and he'll play games when Pau/Aldridge are out. If either gets hurt, they'll cut/trade Forbes or move someone else.



Knicks should trade Carmelo for absolutely anything they can. Portland actually is one place where he can work. In Houston he'd be hilarious.

No they shouldn't. A team will eventually pay more than they'll get right now. Why give assets / take liabilities to trade him?

[Mr. Body]

I still think the second two way contract will be a big if Manu returns, and he'll play games when Pau/Aldridge are out. If either gets hurt, they'll cut/trade Forbes or move someone else.




No they shouldn't. A team will eventually pay more than they'll get right now. Why give assets / take liabilities to trade him?

Of course they should get as much as they can for him. No fucking shit. But get rid of him for whatever if they have to.

[Kindergarten Cop]

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[Leetonidas]

Wouldn't mind Boris for the min. He's a fat lazy fuck but spurs are thin on bigs

[timtonymanu]

Bobo can still post up better than Gasoftdridge too

[BatManu20]

Who knew these two were such BFF's tbh


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[BillMc]

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Three years after being in the conversation for FMVP, Boris and his espresso machine have no home. :depressed

[tbdog]

Wouldn't mind Boris for the min. He's a fat lazy fuck but spurs are thin on bigs

Reed, Lee, Diaw in that order.

[cd021]

Three years after being in the conversation for FMVP, Boris and his espresso machine have no home. :depressed

As much as I really liked Diaw, he was a fucking train wreck last season. He isn't better than the players on roster now and certainly not worth cutting one to make room for him assuming Manu and Pau are back.

If Manu retires then I would take a flyer on Splitter, and hope that he can stay healthy and contribute in a more limited role.

[ace3g]

Some former Spur news:

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[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 19s (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/886670895388909568)
Sources: After week-long talks ended w/ Atlanta backing out of offer to Mo Speights, one of market's best shooting centers available again.

[gambit1990]

spurs on track to get tore up in the paint.

[gambit1990]

hopefully melo stays in the east, seems pretty unlikely though.

[gambit1990]

i just realized, if la had another isssue with his heart... gasol and lauvergne would be the only bigs on the team :lmao

[BatManu20]

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[cjw]

i just realized, if la had another isssue with his heart... gasol and lauvergne would be the only bigs on the team :lmao

If LMA or Gasol had ANY injury, Lauvergne would be the #2 big. And if both do... god help us

[ace3g]

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[ace3g]

Still a little worried after Pau apparently lost all of his "old man strength" that we won't have a big who can score in the post...

[spurs10]

Still a little worried after Pau apparently lost all of his "old man strength" that we won't have a big who can score in the post...
Is his something he said?

[ace3g]

CP3 brings over another Clipper mate

Chris Haynes ChrisBHaynes
(https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes) now (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/886701940087767040)
Free agent Luc Mbah a Moute has reached an agreement with the Houston Rockets, league sources tell ESPN.

[BatManu20]

I take it that means no Melo then.

[ceperez]

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So who else can we get from the scrap heap? These FAs are now big time desperate!

[LakerHater]

Damn, rockets adding good pieces!

[ace3g]

Some more information on the deal:

Michael Scotto MikeAScotto
(https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto) 1m (https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/886705540520390657)
Sources: The Houston Rockets and Luc Mbah a Moute have agreed to a one-year, minimum deal. @ChrisBHaynes (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/) was first to report an agreement.

Bobby Marks BobbyMarks42
(https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42) 1m (https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/886705633399066624)
Salary for Luc Mbah a Moute in Houston is a cap hit of $1.5M and $2.1M in salary.

Bobby Marks BobbyMarks42
(https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42) 26s (https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/886706113311367168)
The Rockets now have $113M in 12 guaranteed contracts. Houston over the tax but flexibility based on $7M of non-guaranteed $.

[gambit1990]

If LMA or Gasol had ANY injury, Lauvergne would be the #2 big. And if both do... god help us
good point.

[gambit1990]

Michael Scotto (https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto)Mike (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7591)AScotto
1m (https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/886705540520390657)
Sources: The Houston Rockets and Luc Mbah a Moute have agreed to a one-year, minimum deal. @ChrisBHaynes (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/) was first to report an agreement.

good pick up for houston. especially for the minimum.

[south side spur]

Some more information on the deal:

Michael Scotto (https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto)Mike (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=7591)AScotto
1m (https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/886705540520390657)
Sources: The Houston Rockets and Luc Mbah a Moute have agreed to a one-year, minimum deal. @ChrisBHaynes (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/) was first to report an agreement.

Bobby Marks (https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42)Bob (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=9095)byMarks42
1m (https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/886705633399066624)
Salary for Luc Mbah a Moute in Houston is a cap hit of $1.5M and $2.1M in salary.

Bobby Marks (https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42)Bob (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=9095)byMarks42
26s (https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/886706113311367168)
The Rockets now have $113M in 12 guaranteed contracts. Houston over the tax but flexibility based on $7M of non-guaranteed $.


So they might lose Capela? What is he worth? Maybe the Spurs throw some money at him.

[duncan2150]

Not a fan of mba moute and tucker...

[CGD]

Not a fan of mba moute and tucker...

I think they're excellent add in a vaccuum, but with all these additions it looks like Houston might not be able to play pure DAntoni ball anymore.

[Atl Spur]

Moute and Tucker......two nice perimeter defensive pieces.

[cutewizard]

The West just got better

[Kindergarten Cop]

The West just got better

Wasn't Mbah a Moute already in the West?

[therealtruth]

The Rockets are loading up on defenders for going against the Warriors. Meanwhile Spurs are losing some of the better defenders to Hawks and Magic.

[Ice009]

Damn, rockets adding good pieces!

Man, Rockets are loading up. What in the heck are the Spurs waiting so long before adding more pieces.

[cutewizard]

Unless MJ and the 90s Bulls return....no team seems to have m9ved the needle against GS

[coachmac87]

Rockets will have the Banana Boat Team + James Harden next year....?

[marinoman]

Rockets will have the Banana Boat Team + James Harden next year....?
It doesn't matter, we got Brandon Paul

[Ice009]

Rockets will have the Banana Boat Team + James Harden next year....?

What do you mean? Who is in the banana boat team? Wasn't Lebron also on the banana boat?

[cutewizard]

Spurs easily beat Rockets tho

[coachmac87]

What do you mean? Who is in the banana boat team? Wasn't Lebron also on the banana boat?

LeBron, Melo, Paul, Wade (Banana Boat)

If Melo gets traded there it could be possible...they'd obviously take less and it could just be for a year..but just something to chew on

[TheGreatYacht]

How is Jarnell Stokes not signed yet?

[Kindergarten Cop]

LeBron, Melo, Paul, Wade (Banana Boat)

If Melo gets traded there it could be possible...they'd obviously take less and it could just be for a year..but just something to chew on

You really see the 4 "Banana Boat" members taking MASSIVE pay cuts after Harden just signed the richest extension in NBA history? Not a chance.

[coachmac87]

You really see the 4 "Banana Boat" members taking MASSIVE pay cuts after Harden just signed the richest extension in NBA history? Not a chance.

They could for a year...won't be long term.

I mean if they're serious about doing so and getting Melo, Paul,Harden a ring next year would be the time to do so...

[Kindergarten Cop]

They could for a year...won't be long term.

I mean if they're serious about doing so and getting Melo, Paul,Harden a ring next year would be the time to do so...

It is far more likely (even though I still put it at a .001% chance) that those 4 join up with Kawhi and Pop next year in San Antonio if they're taking discounts to try to beat Golden State. Say what you will about Pop, but he has proven to be the perfect coach for aging superstars, while D'Antoni would be on the complete opposite end of that spectrum.

[SPURt]

How is Jarnell Stokes not signed yet?
He's been impressive in every opportunity he's had to show his ability. It's a shame that if he was two inches taller he'd be on a roster. You'd think in the age of small ball he'd have a place.

[coachmac87]

It is far more likely (even though I still put it at a .001% chance) that those 4 join up with Kawhi and Pop next year in San Antonio if they're taking discounts to try to beat Golden State. Say what you will about Pop, but he has proven to be the perfect coach for aging superstars, while D'Antoni would be on the complete opposite end of that spectrum.


Too many moving parts for that to happen in SA. Yes the fit may be better and obviously Pop > Pringles..

But if Melo gets traded there which imo WILL happen..only Wade/LeBron need to show up via Free Agency. And their dream scenario could become a reality for ONE year.

[sasaint]

They could for a year...won't be long term.

I mean if they're serious about doing so and getting Melo, Paul,Harden a ring next year would be the time to do so...

Spurs could start by trading LMA, Danny and Dijon for Melo and O'Quinn.

[coachmac87]

Spurs could start by trading LMA, Danny and Dijon for Melo and O'Quinn.

But Melo wants to play with his friends Paul and Harden...he even prefers that over playing with LeBron in Cleveland and I wonder why... :wakeup

[Kindergarten Cop]

Too many moving parts for that to happen in SA. Yes the fit may be better and obviously Pop > Pringles..

But if Melo gets traded there which imo WILL happen..only Wade/LeBron need to show up via Free Agency. And their dream scenario could become a reality for ONE year.

What do you mean? All four of them will be free agents next summer and the Spurs are projected to have massive cap space available (with an elite player already on the roster). I would say it's far more likely that all four of them take a discounted rate together (similar to the way LeBron, Wade, and Bosh did in Miami) as opposed to Harden, Paul, and Melo being maxed out (which is why CP3 and Melo want(ed) trades so that they can retain the option for that fifth year) and LeBron and Wade signing for the minimum. Sorry, nothing that Wade or LeBron has EVER done would lead anyone to believe that they would be willing to do that.

Regardless, it's all a moot point anyway since it's not happening with either team.

[Chinook]

Spurs could start by trading LMA, Danny and Dijon for Melo and O'Quinn.

And I assume an unprotected first from NYK

[Kindergarten Cop]

But Melo wants to play with his friends Paul and Harden...he even prefers that over playing with LeBron in Cleveland and I wonder why... :wakeup

That is absolutely false. Melo came out immediately and said that he would be willing to waive his no trade clause for only one team - Cleveland. He then, later, said that he would be willing to except a buyout for only one team, Cleveland - and a trade to Houston. He now has excepted that Cleveland cannot work out a trade with NY, but he knows that Houston is aggressively pursuing him and willing to put something together at all costs. If he were to secure a buy out, there is no doubt which team he would join to have the best chance at making the Finals and winning a Championship - and that team is in Ohio. If he wants to max out his value AND play with his friends (while accepting that he's not even making the Finals), he joins Houston.

[Chillen]

What do you mean? All four of them will be free agents next summer and the Spurs are projected to have massive cap space available (with an elite player already on the roster). I would say it's far more likely that all four of them take a discounted rate together (similar to the way LeBron, Wade, and Bosh did in Miami) as opposed to Harden, Paul, and Melo being maxed out (which is why CP3 and Melo want(ed) trades so that they can retain the option for that fifth year) and LeBron and Wade signing for the minimum. Sorry, nothing that Wade or LeBron has EVER done would lead anyone to believe that they would be willing to do that.

Regardless, it's all a moot point anyway since it's not happening with either team.

If the Rockets couldn't beat the Warriors with a lineup of CP3, Harden, Melo, LeBron, Wade, I'd LMFAO.

[coachmac87]

What do you mean? All four of them will be free agents next summer and the Spurs are projected to have massive cap space available (with an elite player already on the roster). I would say it's far more likely that all four of them take a discounted rate together (similar to the way LeBron, Wade, and Bosh did in Miami) as opposed to Harden, Paul, and Melo being maxed out (which is why CP3 and Melo want(ed) trades so that they can retain the option for that fifth year) and LeBron and Wade signing for the minimum. Sorry, nothing that Wade or LeBron has EVER done would lead anyone to believe that they would be willing to do that.

Regardless, it's all a moot point anyway since it's not happening with either team.

If I'm not mistaken only Harden would be the one making the max? Or Maybe Melo and Harden?

[sasaint]

And I assume an unprotected first from NYK

Heck, I would settle for the right to swap firsts. (As if Melo would agree to come here... Or that Pop would like it either.) But a rotation that included Kawhi, Melo and Gay (assuming he is healthy) at the 3/4 positions with a smattering of Anderson and Bertans would be pretty cool.

[Kindergarten Cop]

If the Rockets couldn't beat the Warriors with a lineup of CP3, Harden, Melo, LeBron, Wade, I'd LMFAO.

I wasn't implying that that team couldn't beat the Warriors (or at least give them a VERY difficult time) - if healthy (which would be a HUGE "if" in the D'Antoni system). I was pointing out the virtual impossibility of it happening because of the financial aspects.

[Kindergarten Cop]

If I'm not mistaken only Harden would be the one making the max? Or Maybe Melo and Harden?

Again, CP3 wanted a trade and Melo wants a trade to maximize their financial earning (which no one can fault them for). They are not losing that potential and accepting HUGE paycuts while Harden is making over $30M next year, sorry. If Harden wasn't willing to take less (which I'm not saying he should), why should everyone else?

Again, while I know that the likelihood is infinitesimal, I could see the four of them agreeing to come to San Antonio to join Pop and Kawhi (in a system more suited for them) for ~$14M each, instead of joining Harden in Houston with three guys maxed out and LeBron and Wade on minimum deals.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I have a nice feeling about Rudy Gay. Dude should be a good contributor as a swing player and a good second or third option after Kawhi and Lamarcus.

[Kindergarten Cop]

I have a nice feeling about Rudy Gay. Dude should be a good contributor as a swing player and a good second or third option after Kawhi and Lamarcus.

I agree. I see him as a Comeback Player of the Year candidate.

[coachmac87]

Again, CP3 wanted a trade and Melo wants a trade to maximize their financial earning (which no one can fault them for). They are not losing that potential and accepting HUGE paycuts while Harden is making over $30M next year, sorry. If Harden wasn't willing to take less (which I'm not saying he should), why should everyone else?

Again, while I know that the likelihood is infinitesimal, I could see the four of them agreeing to come to San Antonio to join Pop and Kawhi (in a system more suited for them) for ~$14M each, instead of joining Harden in Houston with three guys maxed out and LeBron and Wade on minimum deals.


Because Harden is there long term..

And if Paul, Melo wanted a trade to max their financial earnings why would they go to SA for 15M per? That doesn't make sense. Also you're expecting Paul and Melo to leave their friend (Harden) to go play with Kawhi? Paul would've just came to SA if that's the case..but Harden is in their "circle" and Kawhi isn't.

And why would LeBron etc sign minimum deals in Houston but 15M in SA?

[SPURt]

I agree. I see him as a Comeback Player of the Year candidate.
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[peacemaker885]

If it makes some feel better...


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[Kindergarten Cop]

Because Harden is there long term..

And if Paul, Melo wanted a trade to max their financial earnings why would they go to SA for 15M per? That doesn't make sense. Also you're expecting Paul and Melo to leave their friend (Harden) to go play with Kawhi? Paul would've just came to SA if that's the case..but Harden is in their "circle" and Kawhi isn't.

And why would LeBron etc sign minimum deals in Houston but 15M in SA?

I don't know if we're misunderstanding each other or you're not really reading my posts. On more than one occasion, I said that neither is likely to happen - and I spelled out EXACTLY why I thought that the Spurs' scenario was more likely of the two options. Are you really saying that "Melo and CP3 agreeing to take $15M instead of a max money makes no sense" - yet in your mind LeBron and Wade agreeing to take ~$3M instead of max money does? Not only that, in my scenario ALL members are sacrificing money which makes it easier for all other members to accept less. There's no way that LeBron and Wade take minimum money while the rest of their buddies max out - especially considering that one of those minimum players would be the best player on the team.

Again, I'll say that NEITHER scenario is going to happen next year - so it is a moot point and we've already put more time and consideration in discussing it than is warranted. These players have ALL shown how much they love their money and there is no way that they are giving up THAT much - especially considering the fit.

[Keepin' it real]

So when are LMA and Green getting traded? Today? Been waiting a month already.

[rastaspur]

I agree. I see him as a Comeback Player of the Year candidate.

You mean most improved player?

Zero chance most likely. This award is predicated on an advancement of stats as the measuring stick. He will most likely average less points, rebounds, etc.

The he became a team player and bought into spurs system argument will not cut it as far as him receiving the award.

[coachmac87]

I don't know if we're misunderstanding each other or you're not really reading my posts. On more than one occasion, I said that neither is likely to happen - and I spelled out EXACTLY why I thought that the Spurs' scenario was more likely of the two options. Are you really saying that "Melo and CP3 agreeing to take $15M instead of a max money makes no sense" - yet in your mind LeBron and Wade agreeing to take ~$3M instead of max money does? Not only that, in my scenario ALL members are sacrificing money which makes it easier for all other members to accept less. There's no way that LeBron and Wade take minimum money while the rest of their buddies max out - especially considering that one of those minimum players would be the best player on the team.

Again, I'll say that NEITHER scenario is going to happen next year - so it is a moot point and we've already put more time and consideration in discussing it than is warranted. These players have ALL shown how much they love their money and there is no way that they are giving up THAT much - especially considering the fit.

Harden- Max
Melo-Max or I'm not sure if he can opt out..
Paul-Will be a FA
LeBron-Will be a FA
Wade-Will be a FA

So only Harden and maybe Melo will be on the books..Paul, James, Wade can sign for whatever works best but it doesn't have to be minimal deals like you're referring to. You're saying Paul, Harden, Melo will all be max deals and that's not true...

I think that's where the confusion is coming from?

[jyra]

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I'm disappointed that the front office chose Lauvergne over him for this season. I doubt that Lauvergne's production will make up for the lost value of having Milutinov on a rookie scale deal.

[Chinook]

Fuck it. I'd rather cut him than give him more than the rookie scale. Stashing is officially dead.

[rastaspur]

Any credible source confirming milutinov would have come over on the 1st round scale amounts? Or did he choose to hold out another year?

If the former then that's a bad move to not go ahead and bring him over. His agent probably told him to stay put so he could cash in later.

[sasaint]

Any credible source confirming milutinov would have come over on the 1st round scale amounts? Or did he choose to hold out another year?

If the former then that's a bad move to not go ahead and bring him over. His agent probably told him to stay put so he could cash in later.

Right. It's not like a guy is forced to sign a rookie offer. My guess is that he got more than the rookie scale contract to stay in Greece.

[Chinook]

I don't have too big of a problem with giving a first-rounder who's proven himself to be a good starter overseas room-exception money. I simply can't abide giving him MLE money when he is just a rotational big, though. Unless he takes a big leap forward, he's not worth the trouble. I'd rather give that money to an NBA rotation big so we don't have to worry about his game translating.

[SAGirl]

Fuck it. I'd rather cut him than give him more than the rookie scale. Stashing is officially dead.

wtf do you think happened Chinook? They promised him more to not come over this season??? Why would they do that? Why?
Spurs really had a need for bigs on the cheap this season, and Milutinov was showing signs of progress against better competition than he would see in summer league. He's still 22 or something years old? He's in an upward trajectory of improvement. In fact a season with the team at the end of the bench would allow him to practice and learn from both LMA and Pau, before one or both is not reupped next season. This move still doesn't make sense to me except for one thing and I KNOW you will hate it: Spurs saving up a roster space for Manu.

[ace3g]

Donatas Urbonas @Urbodo
(https://twitter.com/Urbodo) 2m (https://twitter.com/Urbodo/status/887032872737132545)
There was no talks between Donatas Motiejunas and Panathinaikos yet, I was told. His priority is still the NBA

[SAGirl]

I'm disappointed that the front office chose Lauvergne over him for this season. I doubt that Lauvergne's production will make up for the lost value of having Milutinov on a rookie scale deal.

Disappointed too. He should have come over this season in a rookie scale cost controlled contract. He's shown some improvement and at 22 years old is in a upward trajectory. He would have benefited from being in the team this season just learning.. practices with Pau and LMA would have helped him too.

Spurs offseason: :td
I am thinking this are the Spurs holding up a roster spot for Manu.

[Seventyniner]

Who says the Spurs will give Milutinov the MLE? There should be a lot of room between the rookie scale and that.

But yeah, using a late first round pick as a stash is dead. If players would rather stay overseas than take that rookie scale then it would be beneficial to both parties if he was a second round pick. But the NBAPA won't ever allow draft picks to get more than the rookie scale.

[Chinook]

wtf do you think happened Chinook? They promised him more to not come over this season??? Why would they do that? Why?
Spurs really had a need for bigs on the cheap this season, and Milutinov was showing signs of progress against better competition than he would see in summer league. He's still 22 or something years old? He's in an upward trajectory of improvement. In fact a season with the team at the end of the bench would allow him to practice and learn from both LMA and Pau, before one or both is not reupped next season. This move still doesn't make sense to me except for one thing and I KNOW you will hate it: Spurs saving up a roster space for Manu.

I was livid when the Spurs selected Milutinov in 2015. There were too many bigs on the board who could have helped then. The only solace was that he could develop into a really good player if given time. Two years later, and he's at best a backup. So then it became about getting him cheaply and hoping Austin could develop him. But now that Bodanovic got paid, the stashes aren't coming over on cheap deals anymore. Milutinov knows that even being mediocre, he could get $5 Million.

What a fucking mess that draft turned out to be.

[tonight...you]

Disappointed too. He should have come over this season in a rookie scale cost controlled contract. He's shown some improvement and at 22 years old is in a upward trajectory. He would have benefited from being in the team this season just learning.. practices with Pau and LMA would have helped him too.

Spurs offseason: :td
I am thinking this are the Spurs holding up a roster spot for Manu.
I don't think the Spurs can force him over, even if they want him. And I think he doesn't want to come over until he can get out from the rookie scale wage.

[SAGirl]

I was livid when the Spurs selected Milutinov in 2015. There were too many bigs on the board who could have helped then. The only solace was that he could develop into a really good player if given time. Two years later, and he's at best a backup. So then it became about getting him cheaply and hoping Austin could develop him. But now that Bodanovic got paid, the stashes aren't coming over on cheap deals anymore. Milutinov knows that even being mediocre, he could get $5 Million.

What a fucking mess that draft turned out to be.

wow....
I didn't know that. Spurs didn't learn from Livio Jean Charles either. He's still on the books but at least he was in a cheaper deal... and one would rather not have it in the books if he's not going to play ever. 2015 was the summer of Lamarcus Aldridge so I understand what they did there.. but last season? They got Boban instead... which fine I enjoyed Boban, but he was a garbage time novelty bc he didn't play in games that counted or minutes that counted save maybe a handful or less games per season. Then this season would have been ideal. Really no bigs... Take last season for example.. they had Joel Anthony in the roster, are you telling me that couldn't have been Milutinov?
....

[sasaint]

wtf do you think happened Chinook? They promised him more to not come over this season??? Why would they do that? Why?
Spurs really had a need for bigs on the cheap this season, and Milutinov was showing signs of progress against better competition than he would see in summer league. He's still 22 or something years old? He's in an upward trajectory of improvement. In fact a season with the team at the end of the bench would allow him to practice and learn from both LMA and Pau, before one or both is not reupped next season. This move still doesn't make sense to me except for one thing and I KNOW you will hate it: Spurs saving up a roster space for Manu.

Perhaps he is making more to play in Greece... At 22 another year in Europe at higher pay while not being locked in to a rookie scale contract is a no-brainer.

[SAGirl]

I don't think the Spurs can force him over, even if they want him. And I think he doesn't want to come over until he can get out from the rookie scale wage.

that's a good point then. Thanks. :tu

[tonight...you]

that's a good point then. Thanks. :tu
NP. There's enough gnashing of teeth going on here without trying to think up complicated theories, when it's really quite simple.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Harden- Max
Melo-Max or I'm not sure if he can opt out..
Paul-Will be a FA
LeBron-Will be a FA
Wade-Will be a FA

So only Harden and maybe Melo will be on the books..Paul, James, Wade can sign for whatever works best but it doesn't have to be minimal deals like you're referring to. You're saying Paul, Harden, Melo will all be max deals and that's not true...

I think that's where the confusion is coming from?

Again, I've spelled out in great detail why I don't think it's happening.

CP3 will not take less (or at least "much less") than the max. A very good indication of that was him going to Houston via trade instead of as a FA. He could have accepted a little less and kept Houston's core together to give them a much better chance this year (at least right now, as their roster currently stands). Instead, he Houston had to give up assets to acquire him solely because he wanted to retain his option for a 5th year. CP3 is ABSOLUTELY getting his money - especially considering that Harden just did and this will likely be his last/best opportunity for one last HUGE payday.

Melo will not take less (again, or at least not "much less") than the max. He has proven this over and over with his move to NY via trade and with his unwillingness to accept a buyout. He wants to be traded so that he can keep his money AND retain his Bird rights - or at least wants a buyout for close to the full amount so that he doesn't sacrifice his flexibility for little/nothing. He could be a FA today if he were willing to sacrifice in order to win. He's not. Why? He LOVES his money - which I can't fault him for. He has never shown that he is the type of player to accept less to make the team better. Why would that change in a year's time? Melo is ABSOLUTELY getting his money - again, especially considering that he'd be going to a team that one of his buddies has already maxed out for the next several years.

Wade, you would think, would be the most likely to take less - but he has shown no sign of being likely to do this with the way that he left Miami because of what they were offering (and I side with Wade on) and now because of his unwillingness to agree to a buyout unless it is close to the full value. Wade, like many others, LOVES his money - especially considering that he won't get anywhere near the $25M on the market next year. With that said, he is one of the most prideful players in the NBA and will not accept far than his market value - unless his running mates are willing to do the exact same thing.

Now, to LeBron - you're not honestly going to tell me that you believe that he'd be willing to come to Houston, be their best player, for a near minimum deal (because that's all that Houston would be willing to offer)?

Again, I know that neither is happening - just stating that the percentage of one happening over the other is more likely. It's like stating that you'd have a better chance of dating the most beautiful woman in the U.S. than the most beautiful woman in the world (given that she's from a different country). Nothing personal, but you're not getting either - but your chances of one happening over the other is certainly higher. ;-)

[marinoman]

Draft and stash is a complete waste. It was solid 10-15 years ago but now every team is scouting international players and euro leagues have more money then ever. There's no guarantee the stashed player won't come in 3-4 years if ever.

[duncan2150]

I was livid when the Spurs selected Milutinov in 2015. There were too many bigs on the board who could have helped then. The only solace was that he could develop into a really good player if given time. Two years later, and he's at best a backup. So then it became about getting him cheaply and hoping Austin could develop him. But now that Bodanovic got paid, the stashes aren't coming over on cheap deals anymore. Milutinov knows that even being mediocre, he could get $5 Million.

What a fucking mess that draft turned out to be.

Don't be too low on him, he showed some really good things in euroleague this year, he could be an intersting big in one year or two.
Agree that it will be better to have him for cheap but he would'nt have a big contract imo when he'll come to SA.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If he improves so much that he could be a legit starter on the NBA level, then I'd have no problem if they pay him more than the rookie scale. So far, he's very far away from this in his development though.

[Eaglenole2002]

I was livid when the Spurs selected Milutinov in 2015. There were too many bigs on the board who could have helped then. The only solace was that he could develop into a really good player if given time. Two years later, and he's at best a backup. So then it became about getting him cheaply and hoping Austin could develop him. But now that Bodanovic got paid, the stashes aren't coming over on cheap deals anymore. Milutinov knows that even being mediocre, he could get $5 Million.

What a fucking mess that draft turned out to be.
Who did you want the Spurs to take back then?

[Chinook]

Who did you want the Spurs to take back then?

I liked Nance, Harrell, Christmas, Wood, Upshaw and both Holmeses.

Certainly some busts in there, and there are good players I missed. But damn if that class was loaded in mid-draft bigs.

[cjw]

I liked Nance, Harrell, Christmas, Wood, Upshaw and both Holmeses.

Certainly some busts in there, and there are good players I missed. But damn if that class was loaded in mid-draft bigs.

And if the guy had busted, the Spurs aren't out very much money vs. a guy signing above the rookie scale busting given two team option years.

Spurs were trying to conserve space the Miluntov summer for Aldridge...

[raybies]

I'm kind of glad he stayed in Greece. Should do wonders for his development. Gives him time to establish himself. He had a great finish to his season and now he can grow more and build on what he accomplished. He could probably be starting for one of the best teams in Europe next season. Not getting him for cheap sucks but for the player this is the best path all things considered.

Joff has more seasoning internationally and in the NBA and after he was signed it shut the door on Milutinov.

[look_at_g_shred]

Draft and stash is only useful when we are planning on spending money that summer, and the guys we do stash aren't going to be difference makers going forward.

[picnroll]

If Mulitinov comes over next year are Spurs limited to a 2 yr contract so they don't get full bird rights?

[Kindergarten Cop]

You mean most improved player?

Zero chance most likely. This award is predicated on an advancement of stats as the measuring stick. He will most likely average less points, rebounds, etc.

The he became a team player and bought into spurs system argument will not cut it as far as him receiving the award.

Yep, the Comeback Player of the Year (while still synonymous with the MIP in some circles) was officially changed to the Most Improved Player some years ago - my bad.

And I didn't say that I thought that he'd actually "win" the award, because of the system and the lack of love that the media/voters typically show towards Spurs' players. I do, however, think that he will be on the ballot as a candidate because of the history that is going against him and players that have suffered the type of injury that he has. I feel that he will play a significant role in our success this year and it will get a lot of recognition because of the low expectations for him going into the season. That's my take anyways.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Happy World Emoji Day!

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[coachmac87]

Again, I've spelled out in great detail why I don't think it's happening.

CP3 will not take less (or at least "much less") than the max. A very good indication of that was him going to Houston via trade instead of as a FA. He could have accepted a little less and kept Houston's core together to give them a much better chance this year (at least right now, as their roster currently stands). Instead, he Houston had to give up assets to acquire him solely because he wanted to retain his option for a 5th year. CP3 is ABSOLUTELY getting his money - especially considering that Harden just did and this will likely be his last/best opportunity for one last HUGE payday.

Melo will not take less (again, or at least not "much less") than the max. He has proven this over and over with his move to NY via trade and with his unwillingness to accept a buyout. He wants to be traded so that he can keep his money AND retain his Bird rights - or at least wants a buyout for close to the full amount so that he doesn't sacrifice his flexibility for little/nothing. He could be a FA today if he were willing to sacrifice in order to win. He's not. Why? He LOVES his money - which I can't fault him for. He has never shown that he is the type of player to accept less to make the team better. Why would that change in a year's time? Melo is ABSOLUTELY getting his money - again, especially considering that he'd be going to a team that one of his buddies has already maxed out for the next several years.

Wade, you would think, would be the most likely to take less - but he has shown no sign of being likely to do this with the way that he left Miami because of what they were offering (and I side with Wade on) and now because of his unwillingness to agree to a buyout unless it is close to the full value. Wade, like many others, LOVES his money - especially considering that he won't get anywhere near the $25M on the market next year. With that said, he is one of the most prideful players in the NBA and will not accept far than his market value - unless his running mates are willing to do the exact same thing.

Now, to LeBron - you're not honestly going to tell me that you believe that he'd be willing to come to Houston, be their best player, for a near minimum deal (because that's all that Houston would be willing to offer)?

Again, I know that neither is happening - just stating that the percentage of one happening over the other is more likely. It's like stating that you'd have a better chance of dating the most beautiful woman in the U.S. than the most beautiful woman in the world (given that she's from a different country). Nothing personal, but you're not getting either - but your chances of one happening over the other is certainly higher. ;-)

That's great and those are your assumptions...but you also stated that you think the Spurs have a better chance to put that team together then the Rockets? But how so if neither Paul, Melo will refuse to sign for less? Why would they do so for the Spurs and not Rockets? You think it's more probable they ditch their friend (Harden) and bigger city/night life (Houston)?

The probability doesn't matter because that's not the argument..I'm not insisting that this will happen at all...BUT if the "Banana Boat" was ever going to happen it would have be in Houston and after this coming season..

And when LeBron stated about this possibility years ago taking less money was brought up..so I do think it's possible LeBron, Melo, Paul, Wade would all take less for ONE year to live out their dream and maybe win a title together..and honestly the "Warriors Super Team" dominance has made this all possible..it's the perfect storm for it all to happen tbh.

But is it realistic?! No but I wouldn't cross it out..

But again explain why you think it's possible they'd take less in SA but not in Houston?

[BatManu20]

Happy World Emoji Day!

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Why does Kawhi look 40 years old here..

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be intertersting if melo still would go there

[ducks]

why would you do the harden deal if you are going to sell team

if harden played d maybe but damm a one way player

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 54m (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/887070235081179136)
Sources: Serbian forward Rade Zagorac's deal with the Memphis Grizzlies: three years, $3.9M -- with two years, $2.3M guaranteed.

[Chinook]

Owner-killer CP3 does it again.

[tholdren]

why would you do the harden deal if you are going to sell team

if harden played d maybe but damm a one way player

The owner has the highest value right now. Overachieving player who was mvp candidate locked up in his prime, highly hyped free agency. Sell high. Not that hard to figure out if youre into making $$

[rastaspur]

Yep, the Comeback Player of the Year (while still synonymous with the MIP in some circles) was officially changed to the Most Improved Player some years ago - my bad.

And I didn't say that I thought that he'd actually "win" the award, because of the system and the lack of love that the media/voters typically show towards Spurs' players. I do, however, think that he will be on the ballot as a candidate because of the history that is going against him and players that have suffered the type of injury that he has. I feel that he will play a significant role in our success this year and it will get a lot of recognition because of the low expectations for him going into the season. That's my take anyways.

I understand what you are saying. Rooting for the guy to have a solid season. The voters most likely won't even consider him.

If he had an awful year last year trying to come back from an injury and then regained his form this year then voters would throw some votes his way.

[Mr. Body]

He probably owes a lot of money to the Russians and is cashing out so he doesn't get polonium poisoning.

[Kindergarten Cop]

But again explain why you think it's possible they'd take less in SA but not in Houston?

I honestly can't figure out if you're just trolling me here or not. I've LITERALLY spelled it out on more than one occasion why I feel that way.

You contradict yourself by saying:


The probability doesn't matter because that's not the argument..I'm not insisting that this will happen at all...BUT if the "Banana Boat" was ever going to happen it would have be in Houston and after this coming season..

I've stated numerous times that NEITHER is even remotely close to being possible, so if you're not seeing that I've already spelled everything out either (A) go back and reread my posts about coaching fit, more cap space, more suitable style of play, taking less money "3 Musketeer"-style (one for all and all for one), etc. or (B) just mutually agree to disagree and move on. I know that this is the offseason and we need something to just fill our time - but both you and I have wasted SOOOOO much time discussing something that we both agree will absolutely not happen. Best of luck to you mate.:toast

[spurs10]

Like many of us I visit here daily to see if there is any news on who will be on our team. Is there any kind of timetable we should be looking at? Eventually we will need to hear if Pau and Manu are returning, but was wondering about any official deadline.

[TheDoctor]

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Forbes didn't even make first team. What a joke (sort of like SL) :lol

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He probably owes a lot of money to the Russians and is cashing out so he doesn't get polonium poisoning.

[Ice009]

Happy World Emoji Day!

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I just clicked on this and found another link about Danny Green acting unprofessional and rude at a Basketball camp he held. The people there don't want him to come back for any other camps.

https://clutchpoints.com/danny-green-blasted-stuck-up-by-laredoans/

[TheGreatYacht]

I just clicked on this and found another link about Danny Green acting unprofessional and rude at a Basketball camp held. The people there don't want him to come back for any other camps.

https://clutchpoints.com/danny-green-blasted-stuck-up-by-laredoans/
It's going to be a great day for this team when that overrated replaceable scrub is gone.

[hooperflash]

I just clicked on this and found another link about Danny Green acting unprofessional and rude at a Basketball camp held. The people there don't want him to come back for any other camps.https://clutchpoints.com/danny-green-blasted-stuck-up-by-laredoans/He must've been hungover, btw I just posted this too in the Church of DG

[SPURt]

I just clicked on this and found another link about Danny Green acting unprofessional and rude at a Basketball camp held. The people there don't want him to come back for any other camps.

https://clutchpoints.com/danny-green-blasted-stuck-up-by-laredoans/

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[apalisoc_9]

I just clicked on this and found another link about Danny Green acting unprofessional and rude at a Basketball camp held. The people there don't want him to come back for any other camps.

https://clutchpoints.com/danny-green-blasted-stuck-up-by-laredoans/

Not surprised. He was so bad in 2015 because he wanted to expand his game and became an All-star.

Obviously his dribbling was never there.

[Ice009]

Why did he even bother holding a camp in the first place if he has no interest in it?

[Emperor]

George Hill acted the same way during one his appearances back in the day. I'm glad he was replaced by The Klaw.

[TimDunkem]

Yet people want this fuck on the team even though he still hasn't worked on his offensive game and his defense continues to slip.

[cjw]

I just clicked on this and found another link about Danny Green acting unprofessional and rude at a Basketball camp he held. The people there don't want him to come back for any other camps.

https://clutchpoints.com/danny-green-blasted-stuck-up-by-laredoans/

I love that a few fans posting on Facebook is now enough of a source for a "news" story (this is from an opposing team blog).

It's as if Danny didn't sign someone's autograph at HEB or something.

[hooperflash]

I love that a few fans posting on Facebook is now enough of a source for a "news" story (this is from an opposing team blog).

It's as if Danny didn't sign someone's autograph at HEB or something.
In the molasses aisle, tbh.

Imagine if Kawhi had been at the camp looking a little too enthusiastic, they'd sue!

[Ice009]

So is this the end of the off-season for the Spurs or what? You'd think Pau would start getting angry not having a contract having to wait around longer.

[Poolboy5623]

So is this the end of the off-season for the Spurs or what? You'd think Pau would start getting angry not having a contract having to wait around longer.

Pau doesn't look to upset traveling around the world...preparing to enter camp out of shape(again).

[sasaint]

So is this the end of the off-season for the Spurs or what? You'd think Pau would start getting angry not having a contract having to wait around longer.

HaHa! You might be more impatient than I am! We need to chill; training camp doesn't even start for another two months. Pau knows that a handshake with the Spurs is as good as a contract. However, I do believe that his remaining unsigned is one of several indications that our off-season isn't "over." The inexplicable way Dijon has been handled... The pre-draft rumors about LMA and Danny... The more recent rumors about a Simmons/Chandler trade... LMA's deafening silence (and the deafening silence of the media!). I think something is still in the works.

[MaNu4Tres]

Looks like playoff rotation will be something like this if Manu is back:

TP /Mills
Green/ Manu
Kawhi/ Anderson
Gay/ Bertans
LMA/ Pau


If Manu isn't back:

TP/Mills
Green/ BP3 or White or Forbes or Murray
Kawhi/ Anderson
Gay/ Bertans
LMA / Pau


I have a hard time believing Pop will sit Tony. Even if Tony is 60% of what he was last year, Pop would still play him IMO.

With Manu not back, Brandon Paul, White, Murray and Forbes will compete for minutes at the back up 2. There will only be minutes at the 2 for one of these players when it matters ( playoffs).

While Kyle Anderson get minutes at the back up 3.

Davis Bertans will get minutes at the back up 4.

Joffrey Lauvergne will be insurance in the front court.

Overall not much has chanced except Tony, Pau, LMA are likely to regress.

Gay will take 25-30 minutes collectively from Lee/Dedmon/Simmons, while ONLY two players from the Kyle Anderson, Brandon Paul, Bryn Forbes, Derrick White, and DeJounte Murray cluster will carve out small consistent 10-15 minute role's.

Overall, they haven't gained ground. The gravity of the liabilities defensively w/ Tony, Patty, Pau will be too heavy for them when it matters most.

[Vic Petro]

Looks like playoff rotation will be something like this if Manu is back:

TP /Mills
Green/ Manu
Kawhi/ Anderson
Gay/ Bertans
LMA/ Pau


If Manu isn't back:

TP/Mills
Green/ BP3 or White or Forbes or Murray
Kawhi/ Anderson
Gay/ Bertans
LMA / Pau


I have a hard time believing Pop will sit Tony. Even if Tony is 60% of what he was last year, Pop would still play him IMO.

With Manu not back, Brandon Paul, White, Murray and Forbes will compete for minutes at the back up 2. There will only be minutes at the 2 for one of these players when it matters ( playoffs).

While Kyle Anderson get minutes at the back up 3.

Davis Bertans will get minutes at the back up 4.

Joffrey Lauvergne will be insurance in the front court.

Overall not much has chanced except Tony, Pau, LMA are likely to regress.

Gay will take 25-30 minutes collectively from Lee/Dedmon/Simmons, while ONLY two players from the Kyle Anderson, Brandon Paul, Bryn Forbes, Derrick White, and DeJounte Murray cluster will carve out small consistent 10-15 minute role's.

Overall, they haven't gained ground. The gravity of the liabilities defensively w/ Tony, Patty, Pau will be too heavy for them when it matters most.

I disagree on LMA. It's a contract year for him. I expect this will be his best year as a Spur. You're also not accounting for improvement of young players.

[Chinook]

Playoff rotation would likely be:

Parker, Green, Leonard, Gay, LMA, Mills, Anderson/Bertans, Gasol if Many doesn't come back.

Obviously, you hope to grab a buyout guy or two to bolster that rotation, but I don't see Pop going 10-deep when his roster is not that old anymore. Those eight should average 30 mpg, which would fill in all the cracks.

[Mal]

Pau doesn't look to upset traveling around the world...preparing to enter camp out of shape(again).

He is going to play for Spain in the summer

[bklynspursfan]

The Spurs are working to finalize a new deal with free agent center Pau Gasol too, league sources said. per Woj

[Ice009]

Darn, I asked for some action and it happens. Same as when I asked for the Spurs to do something right before they signed Gay.

Even thought I was wondering when Pau and Manu doing to be signed, I was hoping it hadn't happened because the Spurs possibly had a big trade in the works. I guess if Pau and Manu are signed, the off-season is pretty much over.

[Dex]

GINOBILI!!!

[Dex]

So the roster officially stands at:

Mills / Murray / Parker / White
Green / Manu / Paul / Forbes
Kawhi / Anderson / Blossomgame
Aldridge / Gay / Bertans
Gasol / Lauvergne

Not sure if the Blossomgame signing has actually been confirmed yet....he will be a 2-way if he is. That leaves the Spurs with one more 2-way spot available, but otherwise, that pretty much sets the roster unless a trade happens, right?

[spurs50_]

Hope we can keep Blossomgame.....

[Seventyniner]

The Spurs must have been waiting on Manu's decision to sign everyone else. They have to divide that room under the tax between Manu and Pau, hopefully while keeping some around for later minimum and in-season signings.

[rastaspur]

So the roster officially stands at:

Mills / Murray / Parker / White
Green / Manu / Paul / Forbes
Kawhi / Anderson / Blossomgame
Aldridge / Gay / Bertans
Gasol / Lauvergne

Not sure if the Blossomgame signing has actually been confirmed yet....he will be a 2-way if he is. That leaves the Spurs with one more 2-way spot available, but otherwise, that pretty much sets the roster unless a trade happens, right?

Correct, once pau inks his deal. Spurs will have only the two way contracts available.

That could change if they waived forbes and then turned around and signed him to a two way, which won't happen.

Blossomgame should get a 2 way. Doesn't make any sense to send him across the pond. Sign him to a two way and have direct supervision and guidance as to his development.

[south side spur]

The Spurs aren't going to apply or don't qualify for the disabled player exception?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

So the roster officially stands at:

Mills / Murray / Parker / White
Green / Manu / Paul / Forbes
Kawhi / Anderson / Blossomgame
Aldridge / Gay / Bertans
Gasol / Lauvergne

Not sure if the Blossomgame signing has actually been confirmed yet....he will be a 2-way if he is. That leaves the Spurs with one more 2-way spot available, but otherwise, that pretty much sets the roster unless a trade happens, right?

Can't remember where, but I read Jaron's deal will be straight to the D-League, not an NBA contract.

[TimDunkem]

Willie Reed to the Clippers :(

[Leetonidas]

Ehh he's pretty undersized for a C and spurs need 1 more big body off the bench. Hopefuly spurs can find a bargain big to eat up minutes behind Gasol

[jyra]

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I would have preferred him over Lauvergne, especially at that price.

[rastaspur]

Willie Reed to the Clippers :(

At 1.5 m for one year. He would have been real nice at that price.

As much as I am a fan of manu, the dilemma is he took the roster spot for an athletic big rim protector.

As much as I hate to say it, I would have preferred willie for that roster spot and not manu. Same for willie over joffrey but I digress.

Oh well. I will embrace this new pivot and commitment to small ball and see how it shakes out.

It's going to be an interesting year to say the least. I at least applaud pop for gearing the roster to the times and attempting to go in the direction of positionless basketball to a degree.

[rastaspur]

Ehh he's pretty undersized for a C and spurs need 1 more big body off the bench. Hopefuly spurs can find a bargain big to eat up minutes behind Gasol

No roster spot except for a two way contract. Manu took up the roster spot for another big.

[Leetonidas]

I assume you're including Gasol in that?

[Leetonidas]

But if that's true...man, spurs tried to play big for 1 season and quickly said yeah nevermind :lol

[rastaspur]

I assume you're including Gasol in that?

Yes. Reports indicate today they are getting the contract lined up, so this shoe should drop soon

[rastaspur]

But if that's true...man, spurs tried to play big for 1 season and quickly said yeah nevermind :lol

It was a quick pivot for sure.

[Leetonidas]

Definitely concerning. The roster construction is somewhat puzzling. Tons of guards and PF. No real C besides Gasol. I wonder if the spurs are trying to make any small trades because this roster just looks incomplete

[Clipper Nation]

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I would have preferred him over Lauvergne, especially at that price.
That's crazy. Reed should probably fire his agent. He opted out of a $1.5 million player option only to end up settling for what he would have made anyway by opting in, long after the free agent market had already dried up.

I don't get why there wasn't more of a market for him, tbh. He's athletic, mobile and a very productive rebounder and rim protector.

[marinoman]

This roster construction is beyond odd. No athletic bigs, no guards that can penetrate, no starting pg...

[SpursforSix]

Definitely concerning. The roster construction is somewhat puzzling. Tons of guards and PF. No real C besides Gasol. I wonder if the spurs are trying to make any small trades because this roster just looks incomplete

Yeah, it looks like hodgepodge. Sure would be nice if LMA could actually play on the blocks.

[SAGirl]

But if that's true...man, spurs tried to play big for 1 season and quickly said yeah nevermind :lol

They really gave it a go though. It wasn't a half hearted attempt or anything. They gave it their all and it was just too difficult/next to impossible bc of the way the game is reffed right now. The bigs get shoved and pushed around in the block and it doesn't get called in the playoffs? you are dead.

[bklynspursfan]

But if that's true...man, spurs tried to play big for 1 season and quickly said yeah nevermind :lol

I think they could've had better success honestly, but LMA/Pau was not going to cut it.

Now if they had Boogie/Anthony Davis, it'd probably be easier lol. Our bigs just weren't able to punish smaller guys enough and force teams to adjust.

[rastaspur]

Definitely concerning. The roster construction is somewhat puzzling. Tons of guards and PF. No real C besides Gasol. I wonder if the spurs are trying to make any small trades because this roster just looks incomplete

I'm not sure, but one thing is for sure. If they trade lma they better get a big guy or two in the swap or the spurs are going to be in a pickle.

[rastaspur]

At this point, a trade of danny makes sense if it nets a decent big with rim protection ability. I think signing gasol is the last move of the offseason though other than deciding on the two way contracts.

[Chinook]

At this point, a trade of danny makes sense

No it doesn't. The Spurs have Manu and White as SGs is they do that.

[rastaspur]

No it doesn't. The Spurs have Manu and White as SGs is they do that.

Decent point. Keep forgetting SG depth is one man down with simmons gone. If Paul is a very pleasant suprised then that would help to strengthen the depth.

A trade of some guard makes sense so as to balance the roster a bit. Danny would be the most logical if they aren't wanting to throw money at him next summer.

If I had to pick a guard to trade it would be patty though. Doubt they would trade anyone they just signed.

From a timing perspective though, if they were considering it then they should wait around the trade deadline to see what forbes, murray and white do in the first few months of the season . If white and Paul do nothing or show no signs of being able to contribute then SG position would be too thin for sure.

[Dex]

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[rastaspur]

On nba radio they were just saying the spurs are the best landing spot for LeBron and they think he could possibly go there next year.

Boy that would be awesome if it happened.

[NASpurs]

There's no way the "Beautiful Game" offense returns next year right? The Spurs seem to be lacking the personnel to run it unless Kawhi somehow becomes Magic Johnson next year and/or Murray becomes a penetrating guard like Parker used to be. I've come to terms with the questionable moves this offseason, maybe they're building towards something but I really wish the ball movement returned and not this crappy ISO ball shit.

[Clipper Nation]

Ehh he's pretty undersized for a C and spurs need 1 more big body off the bench. Hopefuly spurs can find a bargain big to eat up minutes behind Gasol
He's 6'11", 245lb with a 7'3" wingspan. Doesn't seem undersized to me, tbh.

[TheGreatYacht]

There's no way the "Beautiful Game" offense returns next year right? The Spurs seem to be lacking the personnel to run it unless Kawhi somehow becomes Magic Johnson next year and/or Murray becomes a penetrating guard like Parker used to be. I've come to terms with the questionable moves this offseason, maybe they're building towards something but I really wish the ball movement returned and not this crappy ISO ball shit.
Fadeaway Aldridge, ISO Rudy, and game manager Fatty House running the beautiful game? Pop going away from mandatory postups?

Trump has a better chance of coming up with a health care bill that doesn't look like it was made by an autistic Repub.

[noles1983]

So many shitty guards on this team

[spursistan]

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Is it too early for a "Welcome to SA, Lebron" thread?

[tonight...you]

Is it too early for a "Welcome to SA, Lebron" thread?
As long as Dabom doesn't do it tbh.

[Joseph Kony]

They really gave it a go though. It wasn't a half hearted attempt or anything. They gave it their all and it was just too difficult/next to impossible bc of the way the game is reffed right now. The bigs get shoved and pushed around in the block and it doesn't get called in the playoffs? you are dead.
Ehh....i really think it has more to do with our PF being soft as baby shit and not being able to post up a 6'6 guard coupled with our C being old, slow, and sometimes lackadaisical on the court. i'm sure spurs could win going big if they had the personnel. Unfortunately, Aldridge and Gasol aren't the right pieces

[coachmac87]

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https://m.popkey.co/29ff99/3eNbZ.gif

Lakers-Great Youth Prospects, Market, Paul George?
Rockets- Banana Boat potential?
Spurs-Flexible Cap space, Playing for Pop/Kawhi

Those 3 are only legit possibilities IMO

[SAGirl]

Ehh....i really think it has more to do with our PF being soft as baby shit and not being able to post up a 6'6 guard coupled with our C being old, slow, and sometimes lackadaisical on the court. i'm sure spurs could win going big if they had the personnel. Unfortunately, Aldridge and Gasol aren't the right pieces

... or that. I was trying to lay it down easy. :tu

[SAGirl]

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[Joseph Kony]

Clippers managed to put together a team that should be decent and exciting next year. Jerry West is legit :tu

[Leetonidas]

He's 6'11", 245lb with a 7'3" wingspan. Doesn't seem undersized to me, tbh.

Weird. I saw him listed at 6’9 on bbref. Nevermind then :lol

[dabom]

As long as Dabom doesn't do it tbh.

I already made one.

[tonight...you]

I already made one.
:lol My man...

[Snaq O'Meal]

Is it too early for a "Welcome to SA, Lebron" thread?

Lebron's frustration with the Cavs stemmed from inaction by their front office while other teams reloaded. PATFO falls under that stand pat category, unless the Leonard-Gay tandem somehow morphs into a clone of Jordan-Pippen to challenge the Twinks. As it stands, with that hugely imbalanced roster of cheap spare parts, the Spurs is unlikely to sign Lebron through free agency.

[ceperez]

Gasol brothers coming to the Spurs!!

[tonight...you]

Gasol brothers coming to the Spurs!!
And that's a good thing?

[NASpurs]

So many dreams shattered here with this late breaking news

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[TheDoctor]

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[tonight...you]

So many dreams shattered here with this late breaking news

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Old boy gon' get drunk on the cray. And probably have the best season he ever had. He always played better on the sauce. Him being sober on the Rockets was hilarious.

[Leetonidas]

Gasol brothers coming to the Spurs!!

Did Pau and Marcs other brother take a FO job or something?

[ace3g]

Top 10 in team salary heading into the third week of free agency: 1. Cleveland ($140.7M) 2. Portland ($140.2M) 3. Golden State ($133.3M) 4. Oklahoma City ($128M) 5. Washington ($126.1M) 6. Milwaukee ($120.8M) 7. Houston ($119.2M) 8. LA Clippers ($118.7M) 9. Toronto ($117.8M) 10. Charlotte ($116.5M)
http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fi%2Fcolumnists%2Fespn_generic_m.jpg&w=80&h=80&scale=cropBobby Marks, ESPN

[ace3g]

Every deal (and type of deal) all 30 NBA teams can still make
SAN ANTONIO SPURS Current space (with cap holds):?None
Potential maximum cap space (after renouncing free agents):?$4.5 million
Free-agent cap holds: Manu Ginobili (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/sports/basketball/manu-ginobili.htm), Pau Gasol and Jonathon Simmons
Guaranteed 2017-18 salary:?$91.6 million
Room under tax:?$23.3 million
Room under hard cap: $29.3 million
Players under contract:?11
Summer Transactions: Patty Mills (4 years, $50 million), Rudy Gay (2 years, $17 million), Derrick White (draft)
Available exceptions:?biannual exception ($3.3 million)

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/deal-type-deal-30-nba-teams-make/story?id=48582528

[LakerHater]

Any wrd on David Lee?

[TD 21]

Guessing about 1/$8M for Ginobili (Carter got the same) and 2/$24M for Gasol. Leaves them about 3.3M short of the tax, which just so happens to be the value of the BAE.

[Dex]

Any wrd on David Lee?

No roster spots available unless someone gets moved.

[Leetonidas]

I'm surprised nothing has happened with Noel. Wonder what the mavs will end up offering

[ElNono]

The West just got better

yep, Manu is back!

[Hoops Czar]

Every deal (and type of deal) all 30 NBA teams can still make


SAN ANTONIO SPURS

Current space (with cap holds):?None
Potential maximum cap space (after renouncing free agents):?$4.5 million
Free-agent cap holds: Manu Ginobili (http://abcnews.go.com/topics/sports/basketball/manu-ginobili.htm), Pau Gasol and Jonathon Simmons
Guaranteed 2017-18 salary:?$91.6 million
Room under tax:?$23.3 million
Room under hard cap: $29.3 million
Players under contract:?11
Summer Transactions: Patty Mills (4 years, $50 million), Rudy Gay (2 years, $17 million), Derrick White (draft)
Available exceptions:?biannual exception ($3.3 million)

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/deal-type-deal-30-nba-teams-make/story?id=48582528

I thought they renounced Simmons. It's interesting that He's still counted against the Spurs cap even though he's signed with Orlando.

[gambit1990]

yep, Manu is back!
:lol

[coachmac87]

Guessing about 1/$8M for Ginobili (Carter got the same) and 2/$24M for Gasol. Leaves them about 3.3M short of the tax, which just so happens to be the value of the BAE.

+1

[gambit1990]

i have such mixed feeling about the upcoming season.

glad kawhi's getting MVP, glad manu's back one more year, glad there won't be tony for awhile. NOT happy with our big man situation at the moment.

[gambit1990]

i'm glad the spurs stuck with what i suggested: not trading la asap.

no tony will raise la's level of play/trade value.

[tonight...you]

i'm glad the spurs stuck with what i suggested: not trading la asap.

no tony will raise la's level of play/trade value.
Interesting. How you figure?

[cjw]

I think they're holding onto the bi-annual exception in case there's an interesting piece in the buyout market. They usually don't touch anyone there, but we knew what a difference Diaw made.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 1m (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/887488206391844864)
Free agent guard Mario Chalmers is finalizing a one-year, partially guaranteed deal with the Memphis Grizzlies, league sources tell ESPN.

[tbdog]

No roster spots available unless someone gets moved.


What about these two way contracts?

[coachmac87]

https://youtu.be/xks0ctc2nl4

Someone fix this^^


Spurs/Banana Boat enters discussion..

[rastaspur]

So many dreams shattered here with this late breaking news

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Dude is going to be drinking snake blood like Leo in the movie the beach. Ty don't fuck around. At least he can get one of those carriage taxis anywhere and won't have to drive.

[NASpurs]

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[rastaspur]

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Lol. Overplayed his hand and only got 14 million in guaranteed money.

[Ice009]

Man, I really wanted Willie Reed if he was willing to play for minimum type of money. What in the F are the front office doing. The team seems so unbalanced. There's no way you'll land Lebron with that kind of shit. The Spurs' off-season has been just as bad as Cleveland's and if he's upset with them, I doubt he'd be interested in the Spurs.

Can the Lakers have enough room to sign both Paul George and Lebron next off-season? If so, they would be the front runners IMO.

Edit : Willie Reed. Don't know why I keep calling him Willie Green.


Lol. Overplayed his hand and only got 14 million in guaranteed money.

Why in the hell would Simmons hire a rookie agent? This was potentially the biggest payday of his life and he signs a rookie agent that completely fucked this free agency up for him. What the F was he thinking? It's all his own fault. It's absolutely inexcusable how his free agency was handled.

[I. Hustle]

http://www.boattube.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/500x500/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/w/h/whale_sbs_10b.jpg

[I. Hustle]

Man, I really wanted Willie Green is he was willing to play for minimum type of money. What in the F are the front office doing. The team seems so unbalanced. There's no way you'll land Lebron with that kind of shit. The Spurs' off-season has been just as bad as Cleveland's and if he's upset with them, I doubt he'd be interested in the Spurs.

Can the Lakers have enough room to sign both Paul George and Lebron next off-season? If so, they would be the front runners IMO.

We droppin errbody next season and keeping enough money to bring in Lebron and Westbrook. The holes will be filled with vets chasing a ring

[SAGirl]

https://youtu.be/xks0ctc2nl4

Someone fix this^^


Spurs/Banana Boat enters discussion..


I didn't watch it but here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xks0ctc2nl4&feature=youtu.be

[TheGreatYacht]

Man, I really wanted Willie Green if he was willing to play for minimum type of money.
http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/2004.png&w=350&h=254

[marinoman]

Can't believe jamychael green didn't at least generate a lot interest and that he's still not signed. He'll prolly get signed for 1year 1.5 million deal soon.

man if the Spurs played it cool and smart they could've got 3-4 rotation guys (1 or 2 could've been solid starters) for 10-12 million

[SAGirl]

Can't believe jamychael green didn't at least generate a lot interest and that he's still not signed. He'll prolly get signed for 1year 1.5 million deal soon.

man if the Spurs played it cool and smart they could've got 3-4 rotation guys (1 or 2 could've been solid starters) for 10-12 million

The RFA have been hurt badly by this market.. there is not enough cap room to go around to offer to RFA. It was the same with Simmons, that is why he asked the Spurs to withdraw their QO. Guys like Mirotic are still in the same boat with Chicago. Noel also is getting hardball by the Mavs too.

[Robz4000]

Man, I really wanted Willie Green if he was willing to play for minimum type of money. What in the F are the front office doing. The team seems so unbalanced. There's no way you'll land Lebron with that kind of shit. The Spurs' off-season has been just as bad as Cleveland's and if he's upset with them, I doubt he'd be interested in the Spurs.

Can the Lakers have enough room to sign both Paul George and Lebron next off-season? If so, they would be the front runners IMO.



Why in the hell would Simmons hire a rookie agent? This was potentially the biggest payday of his life and he signs a rookie agent that completely fucked this free agency up for him. What the F was he thinking? It's all his own fault. It's absolutely inexcusable how his free agency was handled.

Lakers would be a second-round exit even with Lebron and PG tbh; their young talent is vastly overrated because they're the Lakers.

[Chinook]

http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/2004.png&w=350&h=254

:rollin

My thoughts exactly. I don't even think Willie Green's mom wants him for the min.

[ceperez]

The RFA have been hurt badly by this market.. there is not enough cap room to go around to offer to RFA. It was the same with Simmons, that is why he asked the Spurs to withdraw their QO. Guys like Mirotic are still in the same boat with Chicago. Noel also is getting hardball by the Mavs too.

Wasn't Spurs qualifying offer higher than what he got with the Magic? Did Simmons lose like $2m/year because he wanted to play the market?

[ceperez]

Spurs offseason moves have been very underwhelming this year.

Perhaps they are reading the situation correctly that GSW may in fact not beatable with guys like Aldridge taking so much cap space.

So they really didn't go out there in the market and sacrifice long term prospects.

Everyone is on cheap contracts (mostly rookie scale) and the expensive ones are due for expiration at next season.

I guess maximum bang to grab an aging Lebron?

Spurs are in 'rebuilding' mode in disguise. Get a lot of rookies, pair them with enough veterans to learn the game. What's missing of course are rookies that can learn from a big like Pau.

[SPURt]

I didn't watch it but here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xks0ctc2nl4&feature=youtu.be
This whole year is going to be endless Lebron speculation. Damnit. It's getting to Brett Favre levels. Basically Jalen says no super star wants to go to the Spurs because the culture in SA seems like work where you sacrifice your personality and stats to get yelled at in a January game by Pop for missing a defensive assignment.

Says Lebron and others would rather go to Houston and play for Pringles where they don't practice, defense isn't mentioned, and they get to put up video game numbers.

[Poolboy5623]

This whole year is going to be endless Lebron speculation. Damnit. It's getting to Brett Favre levels. Basically Jalen says no super star wants to go to the Spurs because the culture in SA seems like work where you sacrifice your personality and stats to get yelled at in a January game by Pop for missing a defensive assignment.

Says Lebron and others would rather go to Houston and play for Pringles where they don't practice, defense isn't mentioned, and they get to put up video game numbers.

Well, it makes sense. I doubt Lebron thinks he needs pop to win another title.

[cjw]

The RFA have been hurt badly by this market.. there is not enough cap room to go around to offer to RFA. It was the same with Simmons, that is why he asked the Spurs to withdraw their QO. Guys like Mirotic are still in the same boat with Chicago. Noel also is getting hardball by the Mavs too.

Some may sign the QO and become unrestricted next summer. Will make the class a lot more enticing. And not tons of cap space leaguewide.

[Ice009]

Willie Reed would have been a pretty darn good pickup for the minimum. I wonder if the Spurs were even interested. Unless he wasn't interested in the Spurs?

I would have been pretty happy if we replaced Dedmon with Wille Reed for the minimum. Oh well, maybe he didn't want to play here if he had a choice of LA and SA for minimum. Then again, the Spurs may have had no interest either.

[Chinook]

Some may sign the QO and become unrestricted next summer. Will make the class a lot more enticing. And not tons of cap space leaguewide.

Simmons would have been an RFA again had he signed the QO. But in general, you're right. The cap space has pretty much dried up. That's what happens with dudes like Kent Bazemore get $70M/4

[cd021]

The RFA have been hurt badly by this market.. there is not enough cap room to go around to offer to RFA. It was the same with Simmons, that is why he asked the Spurs to withdraw their QO. Guys like Mirotic are still in the same boat with Chicago. Noel also is getting hardball by the Mavs too.

Forbes, Anderson and Bertans all will be even worse off next off season, fewer teams with cap space to seek out a offer sheet even if they each have a good season.

[cd021]

We droppin errbody next season and keeping enough money to bring in Lebron and Westbrook. The holes will be filled with vets chasing a ring

Don't think it is insane that LeBron would at least consider the Spurs. Another trip to the WCF and Kawhi winning the MVP would certainly help our pitch

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[SAGirl]

Anderson already in Los Angeles at UCLA facility training... looks slim:
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[tonight...you]

Anderson already in Los Angeles at UCLA facility training... looks slim:
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Would love to see this guy break out next year. He's been improving in increments and now is the time to get into that solid rotation and make things happen.
Hopefully...

[SAGirl]

Would love to see this guy break out next year. He's been improving in increments and now is the time to get into that solid rotation and make things happen.
Hopefully...

I think he needs to have a green light, like he did in the playoffs. He was a lot more aggressive to end the season and in the playoffs than he was to start the season... so I think a lot has to do with role. Needs to step up next season. No excuses. Bertans too by the way... though he's bombing away without hesitation, Spurs also need him to be solid. Looking forward to watch them and the young guards.

I was whining a lot about the Spurs standing pat before, but I am now kind of excited to see what these guys can do. Hopefully we find some keepers in this season's crop of youngsters (I use that word with some freedom for guys 24 and younger...)