Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[cd98]

Do you view Murray as a Combo guard?

Just butting in here, but I think Parker/Mills may be the end of guys the Spurs get that just play PG. I think they are want Murray to play "guard" rather than a one or a two. They want guys with multiple skills that can play 2+ positions. If Murray bulked up enough, he could play 1,2and 3.

[mudyez]

I was on board with trading away LMA for pretty much nothing a week ago but now I've come around to the view that he will be here next year. I'm really hoping for small ball all year long. LMA might not be half bad as a small ball 5. We'll see what Pop can pull off.

LMA refuses to play Center.

[DPG21920]

I will say this, I was on board with the draft assuming we were making moves like trading Green. Now, if we retain Green and Simmons (which I hope we do) then that pick looks worse and worse.

I don't know. I think this is a team that will be guard by committee. Simmons, even if retained, is no guarantee he's as good as he showed in the playoffs.

Manu may be gone. TP may not truly recover. That is a lot of holes to fill in an already weak guard rotation and puts a ton of pressure on Murray to leap. In that light, I understand the pick. I also understand it, regardless of position, if SA truly had him as BPA. You always take BPA.

Plus this opens the door for some trades to tweak if moving Danny is the plan or Simmons is gone (and/or Manu retires).

[tonight...you]

Sorry...now had you said Patrick Swayze in Road House....
Ha ha ha!
I once managed a call center, years ago, and one of my guys was some dude who looked exactly like Patrick Swayze and he knew it.

That guy got so much grief that he started telling peeps- yes, he was his stunt-man.

Dude never did anything higher paying than being my asst. call center mgr, making 36G/yr for himself.

I do think he got a lot more puss than he deserved though, saying he was a Swayze...

Damn... Good call, on his part.

[DPG21920]

I think what I've finally learned after all my years of watching nba/spurs and learning the CBA is that I need to approach the off season differently.

Instead of just saying what I want to happen, I need to view it in the spectrum of the possible outcomes. That is the best way to view it and you can always say what you prefer anyways.

[tonight...you]

I think what I've finally learned after all my years of watching nba/spurs and learning the CBA is that I need to approach the off season differently.

Instead of just saying what I want to happen, I need to view it in the spectrum of the possible outcomes. That is the best way to view it and you can always say what you prefer anyways.
You just came to that now?
I hardly believe you've been that naive until just this very moment.
Is that what you just said?

[DPG21920]

You just came to that now?
I hardly believe you've been that naive until just this very moment.
Is that what you just said?

Ya - I just arrived at that. I mean, I knew that, but I always let excitement get the best of me and let what "I want" cloud what actually might happen.

[Down Under]

Just butting in here, but I think Parker/Mills may be the end of guys the Spurs get that just play PG. I think they are want Murray to play "guard" rather than a one or a two. They want guys with multiple skills that can play 2+ positions. If Murray bulked up enough, he could play 1,2and 3.
Agree. Also means, you can basically have a 3 & D PG if you like, who's not actually got the ball in his hands.

[tonight...you]

I think what I've finally learned after all my years of watching nba/spurs and learning the CBA is that I need to approach the off season differently.

Instead of just saying what I want to happen, I need to view it in the spectrum of the possible outcomes. That is the best way to view it and you can always say what you prefer anyways.

You obviously don't work with massive theoretical reality and mathematics involving... anything beyond your scope?

You do... I refuse to believe you don't. You're too smart.

[DPG21920]

You obviously don't work with massive theoretical reality and mathematics involving... anything beyond your scope?

You do... I refuse to believe you don't. You're too smart.

Lol

[tonight...you]

Ya - I just arrived at that. I mean, I knew that, but I always let excitement get the best of me and let what "I want" cloud what actually might happen.
Bias always worms it's way in, doesn't it?
You've been the best of them, and although I see you deviating from the positivity and trust from Pop- You'll be back when this team is, once again, in 2nd place and competing hard, in the playoffs at the end of the year.

Vee shall Zee.

[tonight...you]

Lol
I laugh at things I don't know how to counter also.
It's natural.

[SAGirl]

With money drying up, I am not convinced that, as much as Pop loved him, the Spurs wouldn't revisit GHill.

Two seasons in a row RC blows his load, last season overpayment for Pau...
this season way too many years and a contract that honestly seems too high for Mills + they couldn't wait just a minute meaning he was their priority in FA all along. :vomit:

[TimDunkem]

Even the Warriors didn't stand pat and continue to add depth.

Spurs just get older.

[DPG21920]

Even the Warriors didn't stand pat and continue to add depth.

Spurs just get older.

Who did they add? They brought back an old Iggy and Livingston and an old David West. You referring to Jordan Bell? I love that move but I would not say that is not standing pat (but they don't have to add anything - as is they are better than all).

I agree with your sentiment of them always looking to improve but i don't think they really added to their team so far.

[sasaint]

Two seasons in a row RC blows his load, last season overpayment for Pau...
this season way too many years and a contract that honestly seems too high for Mills + they couldn't wait just a minute meaning he was their priority in FA all along. :vomit:

"He" meaning Mills?

[FkLA]

Don't be the Ultimate Hypocrite. Not now...

It's only classy if our guys do it brah. Spurs=class.

[cd98]

Agree. Also means, you can basically have a 3 & D PG if you like, who's not actually got the ball in his hands.

Yes, the Bulls used Jordan, Pippen, and Harper to bully guards on offense and defense. They all played the passing lanes well and were terrific full court players that you could move around as all three could guard 1, 2, or the 3. I think that is one way to combat GSW. Make Curry guard a 2. Big guards now days post up better than bigs.

[tbdog]

Who did they add? They brought back an old Iggy and Livingston and an old David West. You referring to Jordan Bell? I love that move but I would not say that is not standing pat (but they don't have to add anything - as is they are better than all).

I agree with your sentiment of them always looking to improve but i don't think they really added to their team so far.

They will lose McGee and probably zaza. Iggy is old though but Durant just went for less than lowry.

[DPG21920]

Two seasons in a row RC blows his load, last season overpayment for Pau...
this season way too many years and a contract that honestly seems too high for Mills + they couldn't wait just a minute meaning he was their priority in FA all along. :vomit:

This is harsh to me. SA with Pau, had the 2nd best record and as we've seen Pau declined his option so it was truly a one-year deal so far.

Mills deal is still under value - whether or not it's necessary remains to be seen, but it's a double edged sword. If you know you don't want CP/Lowry etc.. letting Mills go get offers can be dangerous. They locked him up on a very good deal even though waiting might have led to Hill (he will still make more than Mills this year though)

[TimDunkem]

Who did they add? They brought back an old Iggy and Livingston and an old David West. You referring to Jordan Bell? I love that move but I would not say that is not standing pat (but they don't have to add anything - as is they are better than all).

I agree with your sentiment of them always looking to improve but i don't think they really added to their team so far.
They're not done yet. They'll sign a player or two before the off-season is over. Meanwhile, the Spurs haven't even been linked to anyone.

[TimDunkem]

I'll be shocked if Gasol isn't the starting center next year with Manu STILL our sixth man. I don't expect anything different.

[Mr. Body]

They're not done yet. They'll sign a player or two before the off-season is over. Meanwhile, the Spurs haven't even been linked to anyone.

Yes, you should kill yourself.

[DPG21920]

They're not done yet. They'll sign a player or two before the off-season is over. Meanwhile, the Spurs haven't even been linked to anyone.

Rudy Gay, CP, Hill, etc.. Spurs have been linked to plenty. Just saying neither the Spurs or GS has actually added to their teams just yet (not surprising the two best teams are patient and less pressured to make moves for the sake of it when they are both great).

I will bet you that SA adds a player or two that are new as well.

[TimDunkem]

Yes, you should kill yourself.
Sup, Mr.Fat Body.

[tonight...you]

Who did they add? They brought back an old Iggy and Livingston and an old David West. You referring to Jordan Bell? I love that move but I would not say that is not standing pat (but they don't have to add anything - as is they are better than all).

I agree with your sentiment of them always looking to improve but i don't think they really added to their team so far.
He'd be referring to Durant staying and the old team doing their thing.
Is that hard to understand?

This team (the Spurs).. I think this year should be a throwaway.
See if LMA gets happier, but I don't think that will happen and watch the kids.

See how the team develops and go from there next year. Pop will give a few years left to see the team grow and go from there.

[TimDunkem]

Rudy Gay, CP, Hill, etc.. Spurs have been linked to plenty. Just saying neither the Spurs or GS has actually added to their teams just yet (not surprising the two best teams are patient and less pressured to make moves for the sake of it when they are both great).

I will bet you that SA adds a player or two that are new as well.I meant linked to anyone as serious threats to sign said player. There hasn't been much to these rumors so far as far as anyone can tell.

[SAGirl]

Look at the supposed guard rotation now from a defensive potential perspective:

Murray - not a great defender, but obviously has the physical tools and can learn.

Danny - all nba level defender and stud

Hanga - question mark but his game is defensive

Simmons - made tremendous strides on defense.

White - was decent in college defensively - question mark at nba level, but obviously should have some defenseive tools.

We also have Mills/Forbes/Tony who no longer play defense well, but at least they can shoot. However, SA has a lot more defensive guards now than before.

Then at the wing position with Simmons/Danny/Kawhi/Blossomgame and then hopefully a wing like Casspi or CJ Miles, that could look damn good.

Losing Dedmon hurts the defense, but hopefully that can be addressed as well.

so long as you don't put Kyle on any of your so called dream scenarios, you are just dreaming dude.

a lot of those rookies are untested. Kyle just came from a terrific playoff showing. If you have all those dudes over him, you are just not being realistic at all.

[tonight...you]

It's only classy if our guys do it brah. Spurs=class.
Whatever. You fucking suck, as a poster.

[TimDunkem]

Whatever. You fucking suck, as a poster.
Get 'em, Hand Banana... GET 'EM!

[SAGirl]

I will say this, I was on board with the draft assuming we were making moves like trading Green. Now, if we retain Green and Simmons (which I hope we do) then that pick looks worse and worse.

What looks worse and worse is 12 mill a year for a 6'0" shooter who is not Ray Allen clutch... then do that X 4 years... ughhhh

[DPG21920]

so long as you don't put Kyle on any of your so called dream scenarios, you are just dreaming dude.

a lot of those rookies are untested. Kyle just came from a terrific playoff showing. If you have all those dudes over him, you are just not being realistic at all.

Huh? How do you take that as some Kyle slight (especially when I've been on the Kyle bandwagon). That was a list of guards and SF's. Kyle is a PF in my mind.

[I. Hustle]

They're not done yet. They'll sign a player or two before the off-season is over. Meanwhile, the Spurs haven't even been linked to anyone.

We weren't linked to anyone this time last year and got Dedmon and Lee AKA Dedlee

[MaNu4Tres]

Re: Faried

He has two years left on his deal ... That's not so good for a negative player

But I guess if Mills is getting laugher money while the team crumbles then Faried will fit right in

Faried or Harkless/ Davis.

Trade LA to PHX for Chriss or MIA 18 1st

Then soak up Harkless/ Davis or Faried w/ 1st attached.

Who you got?

[tonight...you]

Get 'em, Hand Banana... GET 'EM!
You know what I like. And I like... (Not allowed in general public)

[SAGirl]

"He" meaning Mills?
yes.
what else can we deduce with Mills getting signed at 12:01?

[SAGirl]

Huh? How do you take that as some Kyle slight (especially when I've been on the Kyle bandwagon). That was a list of guards and SF's. Kyle is a PF in my mind.

well your mind is not Pop's mind, I will give you this... no one knows truly what he is in anyone's mind bc Pop will play him all over the place.
I'd like for his last season in the team to at least get a set role and see what he does there.

but for your comment.. you mentioned blossomgame who is sort of a forward honestly.

[tonight...you]

What looks worse and worse is 12 mill a year for a 6'0" shooter who is not Ray Allen clutch... then do that X 4 years... ughhhh
Not Ray Allen clutch, but never put in a Ray Allen situation...
Stop.


No...Ray was put in a catch and shoot moment and it was natural.

He did what he was supposed to do what to do.

He made it,

Put Your boy in that same situation: You feel he can make that shot? Then keep him

The team and he will take them there.

[coachmac87]

Just butting in here, but I think Parker/Mills may be the end of guys the Spurs get that just play PG. I think they are want Murray to play "guard" rather than a one or a two. They want guys with multiple skills that can play 2+ positions. If Murray bulked up enough, he could play 1,2and 3.


I don't think you quite understand what's required to guard or play the 3? Bulk up?!? Lol

[TheGreatYacht]

Huh? How do you take that as some Kyle slight (especially when I've been on the Kyle bandwagon). That was a list of guards and SF's. Kyle is a PF in my mind.
You're arguing with a poster that was saying Simmons shouldn't jump over Fathead in the rotation because he hasn't "earned it".... Now he/she wants to give Fathead gift minutes ahead of potentially better players :lol

[TimDunkem]

We weren't linked to anyone this time last year and got Dedmon and Lee AKA Dedlee
Lee was a nice surprise. We can only hope the Spurs sign someone with at least a Lee type impact. :lol

[DPG21920]

well your mind is not Pop's mind, I will give you this... no one knows truly what he is in anyone's mind bc Pop will play him all over the place.
I'd like for his last season in the team to at least get a set role and see what he does there.

but for your comment.. you mentioned blossomgame who is sort of a forward honestly.

Blossomgame - He's a SF. I've been advocating for Kyle to start at PF. Whether Pop see's that or not is not the point - it was not a Kyle slight :lol

[bklynspursfan]

yes.
what else can we deduce with Mills getting signed at 12:01?

Maybe since CP3 was off the table, who knows. He may have been plan B or C to keep someone familiar with the system.

[DPG21920]

Lee was a nice surprise. We can only hope the Spurs sign someone with at least a Lee type impact. :lol

There are a lot of PF/C available. Hell, I can see Dedmon coming back too and then they add Muli

[Emperor]

Lee was a nice surprise. We can only hope the Spurs sign someone with at least a Lee type impact. :lol

Z-Bo still available.

[cd98]

I don't think you quite understand what's required to guard or play the 3? Bulk up?!? Lol

Murray would have to bulk up. He would get bullied by other threes. He has the height, but not the weight to play the 3.

[DPG21920]

Maybe since CP3 was off the table, who knows. He may have been plan B or C to keep someone familiar with the system.

I can also see, like with Simmons, SA having a number that they felt was fair and made that known to Mills. If you want to stay, this is our offer. Unlike Simmons, Mills really wanted to stay and that raise was fine in his mind (like with Danny Green too).

[FkLA]

Whatever. You fucking suck, as a poster.

:lol

[TimDunkem]

There are a lot of PF/C available. Hell, I can see Dedmon coming back too and then they add Muli
Even with the way things ended with Pop?

[DPG21920]

There are a lot of PF/C available. Hell, I can see Dedmon coming back too and then they add Muli

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[DPG21920]

Even with the way things ended with Pop?

I would not file it under "likely" but SA is shaping up to offer the same money as anyone else that would be going after him. I can see there being mutual interest, even though Dedmon was probably not thrilled with riding the bench towards the end of the year/playoffs.

[DPG21920]

I do wonder what the market on Ersan is. Spurs seemed to like him and he may be attainable now.

[tonight...you]

:lol
Word. I'm glad that you're humble enough to be comfortable for others to laugh at you openly.
I mean, it happens when I bring you up, might as well be on a an open message board, right?

You are a brave man.

Thank you, bro. You's be good people.

[SAGirl]

Not Ray Allen clutch, but never put in a Ray Allen situation...
Stop.


No...Ray was put in a catch and shoot moment and it was natural.

He did what he was supposed to do what to do.

He made it,

Put Your boy in that same situation: You feel he can make that shot? Then keep him

The team and he will take them there.

Kyle is not a shooter. He made an NBA team not on the strength of his 3 pt shooting alone which is all Mills has to his name.

You know what I meant old boy Mills shooting 20-25% from 3 on like 6-8 shots a game in multiple playoffs series.

then he can't guard anyone... will get posted up multiple times by Livingston, will get eaten alive by Austin Rivers running circles around him.. etc. if dude isn't making shots, he's worth 0.

[coachmac87]

Murray would have to bulk up. He would get bullied by other threes. He has the height, but not the weight to play the 3.

Well yeah but he'd have to put on a ton of weight/muscle to guard "3's" who are can sometimes be small ball 4's etc. Murray frame/size is perfect to guard opposing PG's IMO

[sasaint]

I'll be shocked if Gasol isn't the starting center next year with Manu STILL our sixth man. I don't expect anything different.

I fear the same thing, with Pop relying on Manu whenever possible instead of giving every minute to the young guys.

[TimDunkem]

I do wonder what the market on Ersan is. Spurs seemed to like him and he may be attainable now.
Don't think he'd be redundant with Ol' Bertie?

[tonight...you]

Kyle is not a shooter. He made an NBA team not on the strength of his 3 pt shooting alone which is all Mills has to his name.

You know what I meant old boy Mills shooting 20-25% from 3 on like 6-8 shots a game in multiple playoffs series.

then he can't guard anyone... will get posted up multiple times by Livingston, will get eaten alive by Austin Rivers running circles around him.. etc. if dude isn't making shots, he's worth 0.
No argument. I'm no fan of old shooters right now.

[sasaint]

yes.
what else can we deduce with Mills getting signed at 12:01?

Yes, but I wanted to make sure that I had the pronoun with the correct antecedent.

[tonight...you]

Kyle is not a shooter. He made an NBA team not on the strength of his 3 pt shooting alone which is all Mills has to his name.

You know what I meant old boy Mills shooting 20-25% from 3 on like 6-8 shots a game in multiple playoffs series.

then he can't guard anyone... will get posted up multiple times by Livingston, will get eaten alive by Austin Rivers running circles around him.. etc. if dude isn't making shots, he's worth 0.
I agree with you. I went over your head, and that's not a diss. I wasn't speaking to you.

[SAGirl]

I can also see, like with Simmons, SA having a number that they felt was fair and made that known to Mills. If you want to stay, this is our offer. Unlike Simmons, Mills really wanted to stay and that raise was fine in his mind (like with Danny Green too).

I think this may very well be what happened.

[sasaint]

well your mind is not Pop's mind, I will give you this... no one knows truly what he is in anyone's mind bc Pop will play him all over the place.
I'd like for his last season in the team to at least get a set role and see what he does there.

but for your comment.. you mentioned blossomgame who is sort of a forward honestly.

He is purely and simply a SF prospect. Pop can't mess with him like he did Kyle.

[BatManu20]

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[DPG21920]

Don't think he'd be redundant with Ol' Bertie?

He'd be a Lee replacement - except would provide more range. Lee's defense was a surprise, but if Ersan can replicate that, then he'd be a Lee upgrade

[bklynspursfan]

I can also see, like with Simmons, SA having a number that they felt was fair and made that known to Mills. If you want to stay, this is our offer. Unlike Simmons, Mills really wanted to stay and that raise was fine in his mind (like with Danny Green too).

That makes sense. I just doubt they had a whiteboard with all arrows pointing at Patty. Its quite possible they really did want to move LMA/Danny if it meant a higher pick. Once that fell through (if true) they went down the list of other options.

His playoff performance helped get a more fair deal honestly, just as his shoulder surgery helped last FA for him. I do think he'll bounce back tho. It's tough to criticize him in the GS series after they really keyed in on him, and our team being so depleted.

[BatManu20]

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[AFBlue]

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Puts Patty's deal in perspective.

[DPG21920]

That makes sense. I just doubt they had a whiteboard with all arrows pointing at Patty. Its quite possible they really did want to move LMA/Danny if it meant a higher pick. Once that fell through (if true) they went down the list of other options.

His playoff performance helped get a more fair deal honestly, just as his shoulder surgery helped last FA for him. I do think he'll bounce back tho. It's tough to criticize him in the GS series after they really keyed in on him, and our team being so depleted.

I agree. I said that immediately once TP went down that Mills just got a lot more affordable. I also said that once TP went down it made it much more likely that Mills came back.

I'm not judging him solely on GS series - he's shown in numerous moments that he really is not a PG. But that doesn't mean he cant be valuable in the right situation and with everyone healthy he won't be put in situations where he can't succeed.

[TimDunkem]

He'd be a Lee replacement - except would provide more range. Lee's defense was a surprise, but if Ersan can replicate that, then he'd be a Lee upgradeFrom that angle, I can see it but I feel like that would put Bertans and Anderson back where they were last season - mostly riding the bench. Unless LMAo puts his big boy pants on and slides to center.

[SAGirl]

I agree with you. I went over your head, and that's not a diss. I wasn't speaking to you.
ok .. that is fine.. the longer some conversations go, I get lost too. lol specially when there are multiple replies from different ppl.

I am disappointed is all.

I would truly get behind a youth movement and wouldn't care at all if they didn't add anybody if that was what was in the cards. I was super excited LMA was going to be traded for a lotto pick or Porzinguis or someone young promising stud... but standing pat is so underwhelming. Yes, they were good last season. Guess what? they won 67 wins the season before. You know who folded and couldn't make shots when it mattered both seasons? Patty and LMA. Worse than the Patty disappointment is probably standing pat with LMA. I believed even b4 all the noise about his being unhappy in SA came out that Spurs would never win a championship with him. Dude just folds up and caves when the going gets tough. I wouldn't say the same from Patty, but he did get a generous contract/years. and the group stood pat, maybe worse unless some guys make a leap, who by the way need real opportunities to do so.

[tonight...you]

From that angle, I can see it but I feel like that would put Bertans and Anderson back where they were last season - mostly riding the bench. Unless LMAo puts his big boy pants on and slides to center.
Too big an if.

Time to put the big boy pants on someone else, to me.

But... shit. I'm just going to end this with But.

Good God Damn luck Spurs.

We be here, rooting for yah.

[TimDunkem]

Agree with SAGirl. If it's a youth movement, I don't mind standing pat. I'm just afraid it's going to be more of the same. If Manu and Gasol resign, we'll know what direction they're going.

[tonight...you]

ok .. that is fine.. the longer some conversations go, I get lost too. lol specially when there are multiple replies from different ppl.

I am disappointed is all.

I would truly get behind a youth movement and wouldn't care at all if they didn't add anybody if that was what was in the cards. I was super excited LMA was going to be traded for a lotto pick or Porzinguis or someone young promising stud... but standing pat is so underwhelming. Yes, they were good last season. Guess what? they won 67 wins the season before. You know who folded and couldn't make shots when it mattered both seasons? Patty and LMA. Worse than the Patty disappointment is probably standing pat with LMA. I believed even b4 all the noise about his being unhappy in SA came out that Spurs would never win a championship with him. Dude just folds up and caves when the going gets tough. I wouldn't say the same from Patty, but he did get a generous contract/years. and the group stood pat, maybe worse unless some guys make a leap, who by the way need real opportunities to do so.
We're on the same level,
From start to finish. I hope what you hope.

[FkLA]

Word. I'm glad that you're humble enough to be comfortable for others to laugh at you openly.
I mean, it happens when I bring you up, might as well be on a an open message board, right?

You are a brave man.

Thank you, bro. You's be good people.

I'm ST royalty. What else am I supposed to do other than laugh when you try to come at me for no reason, bro?

[TimDunkem]

Too big an if.

Time to put the big boy pants on someone else, to me.

But... shit. I'm just going to end this with But.

Good God Damn luck Spurs.

We be here, rooting for yah.
I agree.

"Not playing center is a big deal to me. I mean, I can't even post up defensive beast James Harden, or tallest player in the NBA Steph Curry. :cry" - LMAo

[bklynspursfan]

I agree. I said that immediately once TP went down that Mills just got a lot more affordable. I also said that once TP went down it made it much more likely that Mills came back.

I'm not judging him solely on GS series - he's shown in numerous moments that he really is not a PG. But that doesn't mean he cant be valuable in the right situation and with everyone healthy he won't be put in situations where he can't succeed.

Yea. Honestly he played well when side by side TP as more of a 2. Problem is on the other end of the court, but if he's lighting it up, you sort of live with it. (IMO at least)

Maybe if Murray can show something, he can play alongside him as well. I think that's where he's best, moving without the ball, catching and shooting.

[tonight...you]

Agree with SAGirl. If it's a youth movement, I don't mind standing pat. I'm just afraid it's going to be more of the same. If Manu and Gasol resign, we'll know what direction they're going.
It's always going to be harder, in SA.
Not enough money.
Not enough attention.
Not the titles that were expected.

Pop and RC can only do so much when players want to go where they want to go.

Must be nice to be a Lakers fan...

[bklynspursfan]

Agree with SAGirl. If it's a youth movement, I don't mind standing pat. I'm just afraid it's going to be more of the same. If Manu and Gasol resign, we'll know what direction they're going.

You can have a youth movement but still play vets. You aren't winning it all with Kawhi and a bunch of young inexperienced guys. They'll get minutes of course, and they should . It's essential to their development.

And honestly, Manu's minutes we're down (lower in playoffs than reg season), and same with Pau. I think Pop recognized when those guys weren't going to be as effective. But people expecting them to constantly be DNP's or something in favor of the other guys is probably not realistic

[tonight...you]

I'm ST royalty. What else am I supposed to do other than laugh when you try to come at me for no reason, bro?
You're right. What else are you supposed to do, ROYALTY?
Brag on that? Like you said something special? Have at it.

You don't have anything special anymore, fool. Keep seeing how far that "royalty" gets you. Even on this site.

[TimDunkem]

You can have a youth movement but still play vets. You aren't winning it all with Kawhi and a bunch of young inexperienced guys. They'll get minutes of course, and they should . It's essential to their development.

And honestly, Manu's minutes we're down (lower in playoffs than reg season), and same with Pau. I think Pop recognized when those guys weren't going to be as effective. But people expecting them to constantly be DNP's or something in favor of the other guys is probably not realisticThey're not winning if they bring the same team back a year older in a stronger WC anyway. Might as well develop the young talent as much as possible and try again in FA next year.

Inb4 "buuuut we were up for 3 quarters on the rusty Warriors!"

[tonight...you]

I agree.

"Not playing center is a big deal to me. I mean, I can't even post up defensive beast James Harden, or tallest player in the NBA Steph Curry. :cry" - LMAo
Ha ha ha! You dirty... Too easy!

[Clipper Nation]

I give him 0 credit for anything he accomplishes with Golden State. Fake generous, fake humble, fake tough. Just a fake ass player with acne. Fuck him and the Warriors.

[bklynspursfan]

They're not winning if they bring the same team back a year older in a stronger WC anyway. Might as well develop the young talent as much as possible and try again in FA next year.

Inb4 "buuuut we were up for 3 quarters on the rusty Warriors!"

It's entirely possible Kawhi goes 2003 Timmy during that series like he did VS LA. You can dismiss that game all you want as a fluke, but dude was playing at a crazy high level on both ends.

And even more frustrating is LMA was balling too, the team was feeding off their leader. Anything was possible.

The young guys can be developed, but it's not going to be all young guys all the time. They'll get their fair share of time.

[tonight...you]

Blah blah blah.
You angry and who gives a shit?
Certainly not the Great Magnet. The Great Magnet gives no shiv about you.

You have no polarity and even less pull. Unless you call this place your dwelling and sphere of influence- then I guess you should be proud of... something.

Say something that hurts me, in response.

[GSH]

Minny likely getting better.

44 mins ago – via EuroHoops.net
Teodosic will not play in Europe next season and Minnesota already made their move and initiated talks with him. Teodosic can share the point guard position with Jeff Teague and he will find in the roster his teammate in the Serbian national team Nemanja Bjelica.

[tonight...you]

Minny likely getting better.

44 mins ago – via EuroHoops.net
Teodosic will not play in Europe next season and Minnesota already made their move and initiated talks with him. Teodosic can share the point guard position with Jeff Teague and he will find in the roster his teammate in the Serbian national team Nemanja Bjelica.
Teo is not what he thinks he is.
I promise you, and if he was- others would be throwing money at him.

He's too far into the game for others to not know him.

This ain't '01 and nobody heard the name Ginobili anymore...

[FkLA]

You're right. What else are you supposed to do, ROYALTY?
Brag on that? Like you said something special? Have at it.

You don't have anything special anymore, fool. Keep seeing how far that "royalty" gets you. Even on this site.


Blah blah blah.
You angry and who gives a shit?
Certainly not the Great Magnet. The Great Magnet gives no shiv about you.

You have no polarity and even less pull. Unless you call this place your dwelling and sphere of influence- then I guess you should be proud of... something.

Say something that hurts me, in response.

What is going on? You okay, bro?

[GSH]

Teo is not what he thinks he is.
I promise you, and if he was- others would be throwing money at him.

He's too far into the game for others to not know him.

This ain't '01 and nobody heard the name Ginobili anymore...


He... never mind. You're right. No one ever heard of Milos Teodosic.

[tonight...you]

What is going on? You okay, bro?
Why? You don't like me responding to multiple posters in one day?

[TimDunkem]

Tbh, even if his D is trash, Milos is one of the better floor generals on the planet...He should be one of the better backup PG's in the league next season, if not the best. Unless he has a huge drop-off or something. Still a good pickup, imho.

[tonight...you]

He... never mind. You're right. No one ever heard of Milos Teodosic.
Maybe not, but I have watched him as closely as I have watched Bertans and I have been a huge proponent of Bertans.
So... what is your point? Just that I am right?

That's... unexpected, coming from you.

[FkLA]

Why? You don't like me responding to multiple posters in one day?

I thought the second post was directed at me too. My bad. I'm used to getting all the attention, with me being ST royalty and all.

[tonight...you]

I thought the second post was directed at me too. My bad. I'm used to getting all the attention, with me being ST royalty and all.
Lol... You ARE ST royalty...
As shitty and garbage as that is, there you are, in the middle of the heap.

Languish and roll in the smell and be proud of it.

You like a dog rolling in a dead carcass, with pleasure, constantly.

Hope the smell is good from there baby,

[TimDunkem]

:lmao

[FkLA]

Lol... You ARE ST royalty...

:bobo

[tonight...you]

:bobo
Damn right. Respect.

[cd98]

Well yeah but he'd have to put on a ton of weight/muscle to guard "3's" who are can sometimes be small ball 4's etc. Murray frame/size is perfect to guard opposing PG's IMO

He couldn't guard every SF, but could a little and could on switches. Since the Spurs switch on everything vs GSW, they need guys who can credibly defend multiple positions.

[024]

Collison getting 2yr/20 million makes me dislike Patty's deal even more. Already thought Patty was getting overpaid but a 4yr/50 million deal starting to look more and more insane.

[tbdog]

Collison getting 2yr/20 million makes me dislike Patty's deal even more. Already thought Patty was getting overpaid but a 4yr/50 million deal starting to look more and more insane.

Collison is a career loser with some off court history.

[TimDunkem]

:lol Off court history.

[tbdog]

:lol Off court history.

http://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/17696552/darren-collison-sacramento-kings-suspended-8-games-domestic-violence-incident

[TimDunkem]

http://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/17696552/darren-collison-sacramento-kings-suspended-8-games-domestic-violence-incident
Damn. I thought it was some minor shit the choir boys around here cry about but nevermind. Collison is shitty.

[Mugen]

882065456646955009

He's gone tbh. Miami is my guess...

[cjw]

882065456646955009

He's gone tbh. Miami is my guess...

If Stevens weren't in NY, I'd say 100% Miami. Can't underestimate the pull of Riley. But the fact that Stevens is in Boston is huge.

Jazz aren't out of it either. But think if they were his choice he would have already made it. Now is hoping it fades into July 4th.

[Mr. Body]

If Stevens weren't in NY, I'd say 100% Miami. Can't underestimate the pull of Riley. But the fact that Stevens is in Boston is huge.

Jazz aren't out of it either. But think if they were his choice he would have already made it. Now is hoping it fades into July 4th.

He seems like a sentimental guy who wants to give Utah a good chuck under the chin before he says goodbye. But then... Utah does look like a really nice team going forward. And living in Boston in the winter sucks.

[SAGirl]

Minny likely getting better.

44 mins ago – via EuroHoops.net
Teodosic will not play in Europe next season and Minnesota already made their move and initiated talks with him. Teodosic can share the point guard position with Jeff Teague and he will find in the roster his teammate in the Serbian national team Nemanja Bjelica.
Can't believe Patfo. I will remember how,much you argued for him all season when he kills in the NBA. POP just horrendous so far. Standing pat, getting older and injured. Half assing the youth movement bc they won't play those guys, not really when it counts, but sure when the veterans can't play in the playoffs then let's see what the young guys,can do. :pop:

[Clipper Nation]

I think Hayward's staying in Utah and the delay is just to allow him to write (or have someone else write) an open letter to the fans to announce it, as is the trend with today's players. Supposedly he had a direct hand in the Rubio trade. Now players have done that before and then still left (for example, Elton Brand making the Clippers overpay for Baron Davis and then leaving anyway), but Hayward doesn't seem like the type to do that.

[Mugen]

The Servant said the same thing about OKC last year before he bolted tbh. Hayward gone IMO....

[houston spurs fan]

All I have to say is thank god I m not a Kings fan

[raybies]

882089503040692225

[TimDunkem]

882089503040692225
Nuggets/Clippers trade incoming.

[raybies]

882090127996145665

[raybies]

sounds like the nuggets and clippers are gonna take a dump on some third party

[Hoops Czar]

Can't believe Patfo. I will remember how,much you argued for him all season when he kills in the NBA. POP just horrendous so far. Standing pat, getting older and injured. Half assing the youth movement bc they won't play those guys, not really when it counts, but sure when the veterans can't play in the playoffs then let's see what the young guys,can do. :pop:

Pop and RC need this team to win 45 games with a healthy-laden Kawhi Leonard leading the way before those jokers make changes to the roster. These 60 win fools gold seasons is what drives the FO to make very few changes. Pop needs to be an eyewitness account before He's willing to believe this team needs talent beyond Leonard. Pop and RC have been hiding behind the brilliance of Tim Duncan for 20 years and now they're finally being exposed for the frauds that they are.

It's pretty incredulous that the FO and Pop see nothing wrong going into a season with a rookie pg who still has a ways to go, a sg who's constantly being shoehorned into the pg position with sub par results, a 40 year old pg that doesn't know when It's time to quit and a 34 pg coming off a ruptured quad that says He'll be better than ever when he returns. Seriously, the only reason the Spurs aren't making a play for Teodosic is because they already know Ginobili is coming back for another season.

[DPG21920]

With Gallo gone and the Hayward decision looming, we should start to see more dominos start to fall. That's pretty much all the big fish gone now which then triggers plans B-Z for teams.

[Hoops Czar]

Nuggets/Clippers trade incoming.
And Hill to the Nuggets.

[Clipper Nation]

882090382229622784

882090565382193157

So we finally get a wing who can score, maintain our cap space for 2019 AND dump Jamal's useless ass? Yep, Jerry West is officially in charge. Don't care what his title is. Doc could never pull that off.

[raybies]

882092509744246786

[Mr. Body]

The Jamal Crawford era in LAC land coming to an end? Tears?

[Clipper Nation]

882092509744246786

[Ice009]

882090382229622784

882090565382193157

So we finally get a wing who can score, maintain our cap space for 2019 AND dump Jamal's useless ass? Yep, Jerry West is officially in charge. Don't care what his title is. Doc could never pull that off.

Summer of '19? Is that the year Kawhi can become a free agent?

[NASpurs]

882096045978656768

[NASpurs]

Dejounte's mentor about to hit the market.

[Clipper Nation]

Summer of '19? Is that the year Kawhi can become a free agent?
Yes.

[raybies]

Yes.
i h8 u

[DPG21920]

Dejounte's mentor about to hit the market.

I know they are close, but Murray already plays too much like him. Don't want him anywhere near Murray :lol

[GSH]

882090565382193157

So we finally get a wing who can score, maintain our cap space for 2019 AND dump Jamal's useless ass? Yep, Jerry West is officially in charge. Don't care what his title is. Doc could never pull that off.


I mentioned S&T a week or so ago, and a couple of the cap experts said that it was a thing of the past, in the new CBA. Obviously that was wrong.


Yeah, a lot of people haven't accepted yet just how much West factored in putting that GSW team together.

[DPG21920]

I mentioned S&T a week or so ago, and a couple of the cap experts said that it was a thing of the past, in the new CBA. Obviously that was wrong.


Yeah, a lot of people haven't accepted yet just how much West factored in putting that GSW team together.

I think the reason behind saying S&T are "dead" was two-fold:

1. It triggers a hard cap. That is kind of a big deal.

2. With the newest CBA, the player doesn't gain anything by doing the S&T now because they can't get the 5th year unless they stay with their current team.

[ernest787]

Spurstalk has jaded so many people.

SAgirl has been watching basketball for 2 or 3 years and acts like she knows more than Pop and the FO.

The Spurs were not going to trade away LMA unless they were able to get a decent return for him. Obviously, other teams were not willing to give up a top 5 pick for him or Porzingod or anything else worth letting go of your 2nd best player for... and yes, LMA is the second best player on this team.

Once you realize that was not going to happen, then what else did you want the Spurs to do this summer? Let Patty walk and spend the money on George Hill? Maybe that makes the team better, but it's slightly better at best. Patty was going to get paid this summer. If Parker doesn't get hurt there is probably a higher probability he isn't on the team, but everything changed when he went down.

Overall, this is a very good basketball team. They don't need wholesale changes. Let's let the rest of the offseason play out and see where they stand, but if the plan is to run it back with a few minor changes, I'm on board.

[dabom]

Spurstalk has jaded so many people.

SAgirl has been watching Fathead for 2 or 3 years and acts like she knows more than Pop and the FO.

The Spurs were not going to trade away LMA unless they were able to get a decent return for him. Obviously, other teams were not willing to give up a top 5 pick for him or Porzingod or anything else worth letting go of your 2nd best player for... and yes, LMA is the second best player on this team.

Once you realize that was not going to happen, then what else did you want the Spurs to do this summer? Let Patty walk and spend the money on George Hill? Maybe that makes the team better, but it's slightly better at best. Patty was going to get paid this summer. If Parker doesn't get hurt there is probably a higher probability he isn't on the team, but everything changed when he went down.

Overall, this is a very good basketball team. They don't need wholesale changes. Let's let the rest of the offseason play out and see where they stand, but if the plan is to run it back with a few minor changes, I'm on board.

[raybies]

I mentioned S&T a week or so ago, and a couple of the cap experts said that it was a thing of the past, in the new CBA. Obviously that was wrong.


Yeah, a lot of people haven't accepted yet just how much West factored in putting that GSW team together.
West also picked up Jawun Evans who alot of people said played like Paul. ...and Sindarius Thornwell in the second.

[cjw]

He seems like a sentimental guy who wants to give Utah a good chuck under the chin before he says goodbye. But then... Utah does look like a really nice team going forward. And living in Boston in the winter sucks.

As someone from NYC, our winters ain't great but pale in comparison to Boston's. Boston is a solid city the other 9 months though. It's a little stale for me, but way more to do than Utah.

[Mr. Body]

Spurstalk has jaded so many people.

SAgirl has been watching basketball for 2 or 3 years and acts like she knows more than Pop and the FO.

The Spurs were not going to trade away LMA unless they were able to get a decent return for him. Obviously, other teams were not willing to give up a top 5 pick for him or Porzingod or anything else worth letting go of your 2nd best player for... and yes, LMA is the second best player on this team.

Once you realize that was not going to happen, then what else did you want the Spurs to do this summer? Let Patty walk and spend the money on George Hill? Maybe that makes the team better, but it's slightly better at best. Patty was going to get paid this summer. If Parker doesn't get hurt there is probably a higher probability he isn't on the team, but everything changed when he went down.

Overall, this is a very good basketball team. They don't need wholesale changes. Let's let the rest of the offseason play out and see where they stand, but if the plan is to run it back with a few minor changes, I'm on board.

You're completely right. But this board is filled with a lot of people who have no idea what they're talking about. Part of it is there are no mods. There are idiotic factions about Parker and Ginobili and stupid ideas about what the FO is supposed to do every summer. It's always the same.

[Mr. Body]

As someone from NYC, our winters ain't great but pale in comparison to Boston's. Boston is a solid city the other 9 months though. It's a little stale for me, but way more to do than Utah.

The dude is from Indiana, though, which is as boring as stale shit. He doesn't seem like a Miami guy. He and his wife have a house in San Diego -- I can see that, a quieter, nice city. I actually think he could be happy in SLC.

[ducks]

Clippers will have better record without cp3

[DPG21920]

Clippers will have better record without cp3

It's possible but that is a lot of eggs in the injury basket with Blake and Gallo.

[raybies]

hope hayward stays in utah. with that mitchell pickup they have a scoring option at the two now.

Rubio/Hood/Hayward/Diaw/Gobert

Exum/Mitchell/Ingles/Johnson/Favors

Neto/Burcs/ Bradley

Thats a very good roster. They need an upgrade at the four though...

[SAGirl]

Pop and RC need this team to win 45 games with a healthy-laden Kawhi Leonard leading the way before those jokers make changes to the roster. These 60 win fools gold seasons is what drives the FO to make very few changes. Pop needs to be an eyewitness account before He's willing to believe this team needs talent beyond Leonard. Pop and RC have been hiding behind the brilliance of Tim Duncan for 20 years and now they're finally being exposed for the frauds that they are.

It's pretty incredulous that the FO and Pop see nothing wrong going into a season with a rookie pg who still has a ways to go, a sg who's constantly being shoehorned into the pg position with sub par results, a 40 year old pg that doesn't know when It's time to quit and a 34 pg coming off a ruptured quad that says He'll be better than ever when he returns. Seriously, the only reason the Spurs aren't making a play for Teodosic is because they already know Ginobili is coming back for another season.
They are begging 41 year old Manu to come back.... begging. Then I am sure they believe in Tony when he's saying he will be back better than ever. They only made a half hearted attempt to trade LMA bc he got pissy and asked for it. And frankly some of their young guys are no worse than many who are given away as assets in trades when someone better is traded with a package. They just won't consider it.

Yes, they had rotten luck with injuries this past season but the season b4 it was Timmy and in 2015 it was Tony again. This stage of the "passing" of the old big 3 was going to be rough and they are doing better than One could imagine but that's no reason to be complacent.

[ernest787]

They are begging 41 year old Manu to come back.... begging. Then I am sure they believe in Tony when he's saying he will be back better than ever. They only made a half hearted attempt to trade LMA bc he got pissy and asked for it. And frankly some of their young guys are no worse than many who are given away as assets in trades when someone better is traded with a package. They just won't consider it.

Yes, they had rotten luck with injuries this past season but the season b4 it was Timmy and in 2015 it was Tony again. This stage of the "passing" of the old big 3 was going to be rough and they are doing better than One could imagine but that's no reason to be complacent.


Please tell me how you determined they made a "half-hearted" attempt at trading LMA.

[GSH]

I think the reason behind saying S&T are "dead" was two-fold:

1. It triggers a hard cap. That is kind of a big deal.

2. With the newest CBA, the player doesn't gain anything by doing the S&T now because they can't get the 5th year unless they stay with their current team.


Hard cap? For that move only, right? I guess I better go look that one up to see exactly how it works I practice.

The fifth year I knew about, but that doesn't impress me as much. Sometimes a sign and trade is just a way of getting a deal don and making everyone happy. But, yeah, for those guys who are eligible for a fifth year, and can command it, it's a big deal.

Thanks, though. That makes the earlier comments make sense. It sounded like they were saying S&T was a thing of the past.

[rjv]

You're completely right. But this board is filled with a lot of people who have no idea what they're talking about. Part of it is there are no mods. There are idiotic factions about Parker and Ginobili and stupid ideas about what the FO is supposed to do every summer. It's always the same. yup.

[sasaint]

They are begging 41 year old Manu to come back.... begging. Then I am sure they believe in Tony when he's saying he will be back better than ever. They only made a half hearted attempt to trade LMA bc he got pissy and asked for it. And frankly some of their young guys are no worse than many who are given away as assets in trades when someone better is traded with a package. They just won't consider it.

Yes, they had rotten luck with injuries this past season but the season b4 it was Timmy and in 2015 it was Tony again. This stage of the "passing" of the old big 3 was going to be rough and they are doing better than One could imagine but that's no reason to be complacent.

How do you know the team is begging Manu to return? Diego's tweet? He didn't say anything about begging. What Intel,do you have?

[Mnky]

Spurstalk has jaded so many people.

SAgirl has been watching basketball for 2 or 3 years and acts like she knows more than Pop and the FO.

The Spurs were not going to trade away LMA unless they were able to get a decent return for him. Obviously, other teams were not willing to give up a top 5 pick for him or Porzingod or anything else worth letting go of your 2nd best player for... and yes, LMA is the second best player on this team.

Once you realize that was not going to happen, then what else did you want the Spurs to do this summer? Let Patty walk and spend the money on George Hill? Maybe that makes the team better, but it's slightly better at best. Patty was going to get paid this summer. If Parker doesn't get hurt there is probably a higher probability he isn't on the team, but everything changed when he went down.

Overall, this is a very good basketball team. They don't need wholesale changes. Let's let the rest of the offseason play out and see where they stand, but if the plan is to run it back with a few minor changes, I'm on board.

Still believe the spurs are the second best team. Maybe the young guys grow during the season and can break rotation late. White will be able to. You're not really losing much in dedmon if he walks, as he did very little in the playoffs when teams game planned for him. That's the issue when you have no offensive skill set. Would like Lee, but also want to see bertans get a shot.

Don't see why the spurs cant be better this year if they end up with a better bench by signing some cheap role players. The spurs starters, without parker, outplayed the gsw starters a few times last season. They just couldn't walk off the court without it imploding. Get some bench players and roll the dice. Spurs have as good a shot as any taking down the warriors as long as kawhi remains mvp caliber. Don't see why he wouldn't tbh.

[Mnky]

You're completely right. But this board is filled with a lot of people who have no idea what they're talking about. Part of it is there are no mods. There are idiotic factions about Parker and Ginobili and stupid ideas about what the FO is supposed to do every summer. It's always the same.

This board could be pretty decent with mods cleaning up just a bit of the garbage. You find a legitimate take here ad there.

[SAGirl]

How do you know the team is begging Manu to return? Diego's tweet? He didn't say anything about begging. What Intel,do you have?
Murray and Danny's tweets about Manu give you a feeling of the locker room. Pop with his bar of soap comments and end of season comments... begging is my exaggeration but they obviously want him back and have asked him to be bac then it's up to him.

[Mnky]

Murray and Danny's tweets about Manu give you a feeling of the locker room. Pop with his bar of soap comments and end of season comments... begging is my exaggeration but they obviously want him back and have asked him to be bac then it's up to him.

There's a thread on this forum about manu saying he felt the team was ready for him to retire.

[steeledl]

Damn, SAGirl. Why you let these niggas wreck you like this?

[SAGirl]

Damn, SAGirl. Why you let these niggas wreck you like this?

Bc they are easily ruffled and have endless time to keep up trolling. If you feed them it only gets worse and I really don't care about them.

The smart person can see they only show themselves to be trolls.

It also helps that I have a few on ignore...

[houston spurs fan]

Bc they are easily ruffled and have endless time to keep up trolling. If you feed them it only gets worse and I really don't care about them.

The smart person can see they only show themselves to be trolls.

It also helps that I have a few on ignore...
Lesbians are strong women. Great job on the board, anyone that hates your lifestyle can take it up with me.

[steeledl]

Bc they are easily ruffled and have endless time to keep up trolling. If you feed them it only gets worse and I really don't care about them.

The smart person can see they only show themselves to be trolls.

It also helps that I have a few on ignore...

To be fair, there are a lot of jackasses on here but I saw quite a few people make quality posts/objections in their responses to you and you disregarded them as trolls as opposed to have a meaningful discussion.

People like to fuck around... some people far too much. However, you should probably try to judge each response on its own merit. Otherwise you end up looking like you shy away from any opposition view. That's a bad look. Just my two pennies.

[SAGirl]

To be fair, there are a lot of jackasses on here but I saw quite a few people make quality posts/objections in their responses to you and you disregarded them as trolls as opposed to have a meaningful discussion.

People like to fuck around... some people far too much. However, you should probably try to judge each response on its own merit. Otherwise you end up looking like you shy away from any opposition view. That's a bad look. Just my two pennies.
I don't care to debate guys whose only purpose is trolling. And that's been very obvious based on past interactions. Some I don't even read so I don't know what's the latest thoughts up their butt. I wasn't like that previously but you come to this forum enough, your u eventually learn to not give a shit about some people.

If you agree that's fine by me. If this was about Kyle and not about me personally (don't know why the guy above thought I am a lesbian) so I have no idea what this is about.... For all I know guys are just really sore bc their favorite pet got outplayed by a guy they hate and feel compelled to be trolling me about it. Whatever it is, I don't care.

[marinoman]

Spurstalk has jaded so many people.

SAgirl has been watching basketball for 2 or 3 years and acts like she knows more than Pop and the FO.

The Spurs were not going to trade away LMA unless they were able to get a decent return for him. Obviously, other teams were not willing to give up a top 5 pick for him or Porzingod or anything else worth letting go of your 2nd best player for... and yes, LMA is the second best player on this team.

Once you realize that was not going to happen, then what else did you want the Spurs to do this summer? Let Patty walk and spend the money on George Hill? Maybe that makes the team better, but it's slightly better at best. Patty was going to get paid this summer. If Parker doesn't get hurt there is probably a higher probability he isn't on the team, but everything changed when he went down.

Overall, this is a very good basketball team. They don't need wholesale changes. Let's let the rest of the offseason play out and see where they stand, but if the plan is to run it back with a few minor changes, I'm on board.
For the past couple of seasons it's been obvious Spurs needed an upgrade at guard. Tony has clearly lost a step and now has a big injury. Manu is a shell of himself and it's showed for a while. Now I know Spurs are about loyalty so I never actually thought either would get traded or anything . But green and patty shouldn't get loyalty love or whatever the team is doing with them. Danny can't create his own shot, shot for others and his 3pt shot hasn't been great in years. Patty sucks on d, isn't a playmaker and shot 21% and got destroyed by Livingston last season v gs. 2 years ago shot 23% v okc. Just when his contract is up and we need a pg upgrade more than ever they just resign patty.
no excuse for standing pat especially at guard.
kawhi is one of the best players in the league, he young but showed fatigue last year from carrying such a big load, and now he has to do as much or more to carry the same team except there older and more injured. His greatness is being wasted.
This upcoming year is gonna be a crappy sequel to a heavily flawed original

[Chinook]

That people are still trying to argue that Kawhi carried a bad team to 61 wins and the WCF when they only lost on regular-season game without Kawhi and won two playoffs games without him is insane. I have many problems with the personnel and play style, but I can understand that they were the second-best team in the league with one star for a reason.

[bklynspursfan]

Please tell me how you determined they made a "half-hearted" attempt at trading LMA.

Idk why people assume so much when it comes to PATFO. Like no one here knows squat in terms of what they do behind the scenes. It's cool to make predictions and suggestions, but to say they did this or didn't do that, or didn't attempt to do this is just silly.

[bklynspursfan]

Spurstalk has jaded so many people.

SAgirl has been watching basketball for 2 or 3 years and acts like she knows more than Pop and the FO.

The Spurs were not going to trade away LMA unless they were able to get a decent return for him. Obviously, other teams were not willing to give up a top 5 pick for him or Porzingod or anything else worth letting go of your 2nd best player for... and yes, LMA is the second best player on this team.

Once you realize that was not going to happen, then what else did you want the Spurs to do this summer? Let Patty walk and spend the money on George Hill? Maybe that makes the team better, but it's slightly better at best. Patty was going to get paid this summer. If Parker doesn't get hurt there is probably a higher probability he isn't on the team, but everything changed when he went down.

Overall, this is a very good basketball team. They don't need wholesale changes. Let's let the rest of the offseason play out and see where they stand, but if the plan is to run it back with a few minor changes, I'm on board.


You're completely right. But this board is filled with a lot of people who have no idea what they're talking about. Part of it is there are no mods. There are idiotic factions about Parker and Ginobili and stupid ideas about what the FO is supposed to do every summer. It's always the same.

+1.. some moderation would be nice lol

[duncan2150]

Knicks have reached out to Spurs restricted FA Jonathon Simmons, (http://hoopshype.com/social/) league sources say. Simmons is in active talks with 2 teams, per sources.

– via Twitter IanBegley (http://twitter.com/IanBegley)

[ernest787]

For the past couple of seasons it's been obvious Spurs needed an upgrade at guard. Tony has clearly lost a step and now has a big injury. Manu is a shell of himself and it's showed for a while. Now I know Spurs are about loyalty so I never actually thought either would get traded or anything . But green and patty shouldn't get loyalty love or whatever the team is doing with them. Danny can't create his own shot, shot for others and his 3pt shot hasn't been great in years. Patty sucks on d, isn't a playmaker and shot 21% and got destroyed by Livingston last season v gs. 2 years ago shot 23% v okc. Just when his contract is up and we need a pg upgrade more than ever they just resign patty.
no excuse for standing pat especially at guard.
kawhi is one of the best players in the league, he young but showed fatigue last year from carrying such a big load, and now he has to do as much or more to carry the same team except there older and more injured. His greatness is being wasted.
This upcoming year is gonna be a crappy sequel to a heavily flawed original

I completely agree that the Spurs need more playmakers. That is where the team is weakest. That said, I don't believe anything that has been done so far in free agency would have addressed that need for the Spurs, or was a realistic possibility.

[LittleCriminal]

So when is Rudy Gay and D.Rose going to sign with the Spurs?

[ducks]

Knicks have reached out to Spurs restricted FA Jonathon Simmons, (http://hoopshype.com/social/) league sources say. Simmons is in active talks with 2 teams, per sources.

– via Twitter IanBegley (http://twitter.com/IanBegley)lol knicks

[raybies]

The most anyone can offer the first two years is 8.5, so as long as the last two years aren't more than 14 mill we should be fine imo. Plus the Spurs have cap, potentially, so there isn't really a number a team can say, offer this and we know they won't match, and I mean like hitting the luxury tax what have you. Don't want to spend too much on him though.

[Mr. Body]

So when is Rudy Gay and D.Rose going to sign with the Spurs?

On the Twelfth of Never.

[AFBlue]

On the Twelfth of Never.

Because neither want to come here and this FO is garbage. /s

[Dverde]

Mavericks have been very quiet. I thought they would be after Simmons.

[LakerHater]

Free agent George Hill has reached agreement on a three-year, $57M deal with the Sacramento Kings, league sources tell The Vertical.

[raybies]

Hill to the kings lol

[Leetonidas]

That's not a bad deal. Can't believe spurs whiffed on him. He needs to fire his agent though

[Ice009]

I would have actually considered him for 19 million a year. I thought he was going for 25+.

Wow. How many people here would have taken him for threes years at that much? I think I would have.

[ducks]

3 years almost 20 a year wow

[Ice009]

3 years almost 20 a year wow

What, are you saying "wow" as in it's too high?

[ducks]

Hill is very injury prone

[ducks]

I think it is high for a combo guard

[raybies]

19 mill per. I'd imagine the Kings out the race for Simmons unless Porter is matched. But they could get Hill and Porter. Not sure if they are trying to go young or win now. But I like what they've been doing there since they got rid of cousins. New culture. I guess this makes sense in the aspect that Hill can mentor Fox and make him earn his minutes.

[Nathan89]

Spurs wasted their money on a 6ft sg.:depressed

[Spurs9]

Why do they need another PG? They just got Fox.

[marinoman]

I would taken him for 19 mil too

[raybies]

Spurs could of waited...

[LakerHater]

Free agent Zach Randolph has agreed to a two-year, $24M deal with the Kings, league sources tell ESPN.

[raybies]

Zbo to kings :wow

[raybies]

How much cap they got?

[Ice009]

Why in the fuck did the Spurs jump the gun on Mills and why did they offer 4 years. I would feel a bit better if it was only 3 years. Fucking stupid signing and contract offer.

[ducks]

Is hill twice the player as patty? Getting paid like it
Did not want patty back but mle is 8 patty deal is not that terrible

[loveforthegame]

The Kings with some solid moves. Damn. :tu

[Ice009]

LOL Kings are making moves too while the Spurs still sit around with a stupid contract offer. I would have rather of had Zbo at 2 years or Hill at 3 years for their respective contracts than Mills for 4 years at what he got.

Spurs did the Mozgov.

[DPG21920]

Dominoes will start to fall now. Everyone knows Hayward is "off the market" and should be announced soon. Hill gone. Zbo. All the minor pieces will fall. Let's see what SA does.

[bklynspursfan]

Is hill twice the player as patty? Getting paid like it
Did not want patty back but mle is 8 patty deal is not that terrible

It's not. People are overacting, which is unsurprising.

[DPG21920]

Is hill twice the player as patty? Getting paid like it
Did not want patty back but mle is 8 patty deal is not that terrible

Huh? Mills got way more than MLE. 4/50M

[ducks]

Zach can do 20 minutes a game solid signing if played those minutes
More he will not be effective

[Darius Bieber]

Lmao when the Kings have a better FA than the Spurs. Pathetic.

[Spurs9]

So kings got Zbo for 12 million a year, meanwhile spurs sign paddy krew lol

[picnroll]

Derrick Rose or bust. :downspin:

[bklynspursfan]

Dominoes will start to fall now. Everyone knows Hayward is "off the market" and should be announced soon. Hill gone. Zbo. All the minor pieces will fall. Let's see what SA does.

Yup. I wouldn't mind Gay at the right price honestly, need more perimeter scoring. But we'll see what happens

[NASpurs]

Lmao when the Kings have a better FA than the Spurs. Pathetic.

You mean you're not excited for the news of old dudes Gasol and Manu re-signing?

[marinoman]

The east isn't getting anyone

[vy65]

That Patty Mills deal looking worse and worse

[picnroll]

That Patty Mills deal looking worse and worse

Culture man, culture.

[Ice009]

Yup. I wouldn't mind Gay at the right price honestly, need more perimeter scoring. But we'll see what happens

My wish list is still the same - James Johnson, Chris Singleton (would like to take a chance on him, seems like he had a great season overseas the past year), and Rudy Gay as a third option. Wings with size that can play D (I think Rudy can play decent D in the Spurs system) and do more than shoot 3s on offense.

For a big man I'd like Bogut. Spurs need a traditional big that can bang off of the bench. Start LaMarcus at Center.

[ducks]

Chris Haynes‏: Report w/ marcJSpearsESPN: ESPN sources say Golden State a frontrunner for Jamal Crawford; Nick Young still in play. Update: Cleveland, San Antonio and others inquiring. Atlanta prefers a trade. 12 mins ago – via Twitter

[NASpurs]

Is Tyreke Evans still in the league? Nary a peep.

[Leetonidas]

Chris Haynes‏: Report w/ marcJSpearsESPN: ESPN sources say Golden State a frontrunner for Jamal Crawford; Nick Young still in play. Update: Cleveland, San Antonio and others inquiring. Atlanta prefers a trade. 12 mins ago – via Twitter

:vomit: please god no stay the fuck away from SA

[Ice009]

Chris Haynes‏: Report w/ marcJSpearsESPN: ESPN sources say Golden State a frontrunner for Jamal Crawford; Nick Young still in play. Update: Cleveland, San Antonio and others inquiring. Atlanta prefers a trade. 12 mins ago – via Twitter

It would be smarter for Atlanta to trade him and try and get something in return. Don't buy him out and let him go to Goldenstate for free.

[duncan2150]

Did someone know if patty's four years contract is all guaranteed ?

[NASpurs]

882289916180389892

[vy65]

http://images.performgroup.com/di/library/sporting_news/f/c0/spuran-spuran-041415-ftr-ytjpg_41ds7s58cmx8z77z6xdv6c3c.jpg?t=-1176912892

:cry det culture :cry

[Ice009]

Did someone know if patty's four years contract is all guaranteed ?

This was going to be my next question. David Aldridge said that the Hill contract is a partial guarantee on the 3rd year. Man, I would have much rather of had Hill and that contract over Mills any day of the week.

[spurs10]

Dominoes will start to fall now. Everyone knows Hayward is "off the market" and should be announced soon. Hill gone. Zbo. All the minor pieces will fall. Let's see what SA does. Yes it'll be interesting in coming days. :wakeup

[ducks]

Well hill turned down 4 year 80 million
Talked to spurs talks broke down
Hill could have called back once he could not get 25

[SuperCam]

This was going to be my next question. David Aldridge said that the Hill contract is a partial guarantee on the 3rd year. Man, I would have much rather of had Hill and that contract over Mills any day of the week.

Damn, even Vlade and indian dolan outsmarting PATFO these days :lmao

[Ice009]

Well hill turned down 4 year 80 million
Talked to spurs talks broke down
Hill could have called back once he could not get 25

No he couldn't have. The Spurs couldn't have paid him even 19 as they offered Mills that stupid contract. They would have had to move pieces to offer Hill what he got with the Kings. I would have taken Hill for a discount contract and not move players like Danny Green to do it. That Mills contract fucked it all up. I would have only moved Green, Parker, Aldridge if we were going to get an All-Star caliber player.

[Hoops Czar]

Did someone know if patty's four years contract is all guaranteed ?

Knowing the Spurs, the 4th year is a player option.

[Budkin]

http://images.performgroup.com/di/library/sporting_news/f/c0/spuran-spuran-041415-ftr-ytjpg_41ds7s58cmx8z77z6xdv6c3c.jpg?t=-1176912892

:cry det culture :cry

Patty Thrills!

[spurs10]

Yup. I wouldn't mind Gay at the right price honestly, need more perimeter scoring. But we'll see what happens
Not knowing much about his recovery from the Achilles injury, I'd have to concur.

[SPURt]

The Kings have had an incredible off season. Drafted Fox, Jackson, Giles, and Frank Mason. Brought over Bogdan. Signed vets George Hill and ZBo. Still might get Porter. Divac doing his best to clean up the laughing stock of the league.

[Ice009]

Not knowing much about his recovery from the Achilles injury, I'd have to concur.

That's why he's third on my list behind James Johnson and Chris Singleton. I'd probably move him up if it wasn't for that injury.

[duncan2150]

The Spurs could give Hill 19/year Without signing Patty ?

[raybies]

The Kings have had an incredible off season. Drafted Fox, Jackson, Giles, and Frank Mason. Brought over Bogdan. Signed vets George Hill and ZBo. Still might get Porter. Divac doing his best to clean up the laughing stock of the league.
Just read they can't max Otto anymore. He never signed the offer shear.

[Nathan89]

Spurs could've improved the team if only they signed Hill. The small ball lineup switching potential was there to be had. PATFO decided to go another direction though. Not sure why Patty is one of the only fucks to get a 4yr contract.

[Hoops Czar]

Lmao when the Kings have a better FA than the Spurs. Pathetic.
Ever since he left for LA to meet with Iggy per his request, he hasn't been heard from again. Dude probably took a planned vacation right in the middle of free agency.

[Ice009]

The Spurs could give Hill 19/year Without signing Patty ?

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think they could have. Why the F did they jump the gun with Patty? Why not wait it out with Patty like it appears that they're doing with everything/everyone else?

[duncan2150]

Knowing the Spurs, the 4th year is a player option.

It Will be interesting to know that.

[Nathan89]

Meanwhile our rookie is on pace to being better than Patty by the end of the season.

[Ice009]

Ever since he left for LA to meet with Iggy per his request, he hasn't been heard from again. Dude probably took a planned vacation right in the middle of free agency.

I'll add to my story. He went back to that cheap motel room after the Iguodala meeting he was staying in and bought another 6 bottles of cheap whiskey. He's been there ever since. Hasn't showered in days, thrown up and passed out numerous times, started mixing in some mary jane, all just because he's dreading calling Kawhi and telling him that he fucked up.

[duncan2150]

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think they could have. Why the F did they jump the gun with Patty? Why not wait it out with Patty like it appears that they're doing with everything/everyone else?

If someone can tell us cause i'm not sure and people are complaining about that

[HarlemHeat37]

Damn, that 12:01 panic move could be remembered here for a long time:lol

Zach Lowe said that Mills was a desirable piece for a number of teams..Spurs panicked and jumped the gun once Hill declined to take less, afraid that somebody would entice Patty, I suppose..I love Mills, but he's not going to make or break your season, damn:lol

George Hill and his agent played one of the worst FA games I've seen in a minute, though..

[ducks]

Zach said gms thought patty would take 12-17 a year
Hill actually signed for 19

[TimDunkem]

^Until he goes 0-6 from three and we lose by 2.

[Mal]

Philadelphi had to be in play for Mills.

[bklynspursfan]

Ever since he left for LA to meet with Iggy per his request, he hasn't been heard from again. Dude probably took a planned vacation right in the middle of free agency.

lol, how often do ST posters hear from him anyway?

[Ice009]

I mean, why did RC make Iguodala his first meeting if they weren't that interested. That, to me, says they didn't really have much of a plan if they were wasting their time meeting someone that wasn't going to sign.

This is very strange. Was Chris Paul their whole plan? Was George Hill their main backup plan? Was Patty Mills a panic move after those first two fell through?

Why was time wasted meeting Iguodala the first night of meetings? Shouldn't they have been meeting someone they had a realistic chance of signing? Sounds like they had no more backup plans to go with at midnight.

[Ron Swanson]

Gotta love ST.

Before 7/1: These free agents suck and want too much money.

After 7/1: WTF are PATFO doing? Sitting back while all the free agents sign elsewhere!

[ducks]

Did spurs think they could trade LMA

[bklynspursfan]

My wish list is still the same - James Johnson, Chris Singleton (would like to take a chance on him, seems like he had a great season overseas the past year), and Rudy Gay as a third option. Wings with size that can play D (I think Rudy can play decent D in the Spurs system) and do more than shoot 3s on offense.

For a big man I'd like Bogut. Spurs need a traditional big that can bang off of the bench. Start LaMarcus at Center.

Yea, makes sense. Bogut/Gay would be very formidable signings. A guy who can screen would help tremendously, though I imagine once he comes here the refs will call him for moving screens all the time.

Johnson/Singleton would be nice options, better defensively than Gay. I guess I like that Gay can come in and light it up if/when Kawhi goes to the bench or is off.

[LittleCriminal]

GAY and DRose are still available...

[Ice009]

Damn, that 12:01 panic move could be remembered here for a long time:lol

Zach Lowe said that Mills was a desirable piece for a number of teams..Spurs panicked and jumped the gun once Hill declined to take less, afraid that somebody would entice Patty, I suppose..I love Mills, but he's not going to make or break your season, damn:lol

George Hill and his agent played one of the worst FA games I've seen in a minute, though..

I just wrote that I thought Mills might be a panic signing. Did Zach Lowe say that, or are you saying that based on what Lowe said about other teams interested in Mills?

[bklynspursfan]

I mean, why did RC make Iguodala his first meeting if they weren't that interested. That, to me, says they didn't really have much of a plan if they were wasting their time meeting someone that wasn't going to sign.

This is very strange. Was Chris Paul their whole plan? Was George Hill their main backup plan? Was Patty Mills a panic move after those first two fell through?

Why was time wasted meeting Iguodala the first night of meetings? Shouldn't they have been meeting someone they had a realistic chance of signing? Sounds like they had no more backup plans to go with at midnight.

I thought it was Iggy who decided to meet them first? (could've sworn I remember seeing that somewhere) It seemed it was more Iggy who wasn't truly interested and used Houston/SA as leverage

[bklynspursfan]

Wonder who picks up Tony Allen

[Leetonidas]

Fuck it. Go after Gay/Rose try to sign Bogut for a backup role for the min, bring Hanga over, tell LMA to stfu and deal with it. Call it a summer

[Ice009]

I thought it was Iggy who decided to meet them first? (could've sworn I remember seeing that somewhere) It seemed it was more Iggy who wasn't truly interested and used Houston/SA as leverage

Yeah, I read that, but what I am saying is why did RC make it a priority to meet him first. We didn't really want him and he didn't really want to sign elsewhere, so why did RC make that his first visit. He should have been visiting someone who was more obtainable. He could have told Iguodala I'll talk to you later.

[140]

Damn, even Vlade and indian dolan outsmarting PATFO these days :lmao
:lmao

[Ice009]

Wonder who picks up Tony Allen

I would fucking LOVE his defense on the team, but the FO will pass because of his offense. I'd rather a defensive player like Tony Allen over an offense only player like Mills any day of the week.

[Nathan89]

Fuck Rose. I want White to get minutes. I also don't want Gay.

[Ice009]

Fuck Rose. I want White to get minutes. I also don't want Gay.

Taking out Gay's injury, what's the drawback with him? Why are people opposed to him? I've always been interested in him for the right price. He's always been too expensive, though.

[bklynspursfan]

Yeah, I read that, but what I am saying is why did RC make it a priority to meet him first. We didn't really want him and he didn't really want to sign elsewhere, so why did RC make that his first visit. He should have been visiting someone who was more obtainable. He could have told Iguodala I'll talk to you later.

Gotcha.. Maybe they really valued him if they were planning on moving DG to clear space for GH or someone else? Really no clue. It's possible they talked to others even tho it's not supposed to go down till midnight


I would fucking LOVE his defense on the team, but the FO will pass because of his offense. I'd rather a defensive player like Tony Allen over an offense only player like Mills any day of the week.

Same... Him, Kawhi and DG on the wing vs the Warriors would be great.

[Leetonidas]

I would rather take a gamble on gay than rose. I agree spurs need to give their young guards minutes but I would be very surprised if white wasn't in Austin for the majority of the season. And if gay could even be decent for he wpjmd give us a decent option at PF in smaller lineups and to backup Kawhi

[TimDunkem]

Damn people want Allen in a lineup with Danny Green? They're not shutting down anyone on the Warriors and a 3 on 5 offensive lineup won't outscore them anytime soon.

[bklynspursfan]

Haywards trainers following Celtics players now...

[DPG21920]

Taking out Gay's injury, what's the drawback with him? Why are people opposed to him? I've always been interested in him for the right price. He's always been too expensive, though.

His offense is pretty inefficient and awkward and he needs the ball.

[Ice009]

His offense is pretty inefficient and awkward and he needs the ball.

I guess I haven't watched him that much, but I thought he'd be great, especially when paired with the bench as a main option. What type of shots does he like to take? Midrange? Does he take it to the rack and try and finish much?

[gambit1990]

Was Chris Paul their whole plan?
spurs were open to trading la and green to clear space for cp3 but didn't like the return value?

also, they would've had $40 million committed to cp3 + tony... on a roster with no la, gasol, lee, dedmon.

hill wasn't in the spurs plans, not surprised they resigned patty.

[bklynspursfan]

spurs were open to trading la and green to clear space for cp3 but didn't like the return value?

also, they would've had $40 million committed to cp3 + tony... on a roster with no la, gasol, lee, dedmon.

hill wasn't in the spurs plans, not surprised they resigned patty.

Talks broke down ( i thought) b/w Spurs/Hill... Has to mean there was some interest, no? Couldve been plan B or C

[Ice009]

Talks broke down ( i thought) b/w Spurs/Hill... Has to mean there was some interest, no? Couldve been plan B or C

Yep. They had talks so he had to have been a plan, and I do think he was either plan B or C. I think the Mills signing was a panic signing.