Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[RD2191]

Meanwhile, the Spurs are going into the new season with Aldridge, a hungover Green, Gasol on a new lengthy deal, and will wait for TP to return.

:lobt2:

[SAGirl]

Lamarcus dicking around sunk the interest on coming to the Spurs. I think until he's gone, he's going to hang over the Spurs like a dark cloud. :bang
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[TimDunkem]

:lobt2:
We staaaaaacked....

[LittleCriminal]

Clutch city just changed to Flop City....

Still dont understand how or why clutch city was applicable in the first place..

[Mal]

Yeah, you might be right on that. Players don't like tight leashes like Pop puts on his players.

This could be true. Look at player that stick with Spurs for long - Duncan, Robinson, Ginobili, Parker, Mills, Green, Bowen, Elliott, Kawhi. All are little different than average NBA player. It's either because they came from different culture (europe) or they are, let's say "good guys".

[rjv]

In a world with a flat cap, yes. But I'm not moving LMA and his $20 Million for Blake and his $30 Million. If Griffin had no injury concerns, it would be tempting. But LMA by and large plays every game and is a more useful player when locked in. While Blake plays to his potential more often, he's not all that reliable. yeah, with all that blake is really more of a risk living off his name. let him go to the heat.

[picnroll]

Subtract Aldridge and S hort of Kawhi Spurs don't have a lot of talent and talent wise are a lower third tier team at best. Time to just play the kiddies and see how much they have rather than sign a couple of second tier FAs.

[RD2191]

We staaaaaacked....

Need to start cleaning the river for the parade come next June.

[Ice009]

Everyone knew that would be Draymond too.

Yeah, I thought Draymond was going to get it, but I logged in and saw that thread, so even though I knew better (Draymond winning), I thought maybe Kawhi squeaked in and won it with a bunch of second place votes with Draymond and Gobert stealing votes off each other for first place.

[coachmac87]

Everyone knew that would be Draymond too.

I did too lol.

I'm just sharing what I'm told..I'm not making shit up...

Source told me Green would be traded: Green gets on the block
Source told me Spurs called the Knicks: Next day Woj drops Porzingis bomb
Source told me LMA was late to exit meeting and not on good terms: LMA reported to be dangled for Lottery pick
Source told me Spurs would trade/stash pick: Spurs didn't do that
Source told me Kawhi won DPOY: Green won lol

The Kawhi DPOY thing sticks out with a sore thumb cause I made a thread about it but pretty much everything I've been told had some truth to it so I said fuck it lol.

I dunno what's gonna happen now and haven't been told anything..if I do I'll share and we can then see if there's truth to it or not

[raybies]

Vote for Iggy, Millsap

Make Beautiful game great again.

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[TimDunkem]

Vote for Iggy, Millsap

Make Beautiful game great again.

https://media.giphy.com/media/l0HlvcRyVJeO8Gmju/giphy.gifST doesn't want them.

[NickiRasgo]

To be honest as much as I wanted a big name FA to come here, I rather have to build solid contributor (role-players) and improve the system around Kawhi rather forming a so-called superteam. GSW formed a great team from the draft and signing solid contributor with a great system rather than forming immediately a superteam. It just happened that they were able to sign Durant last off-season.

If there's a big name FA wanted to sign with Spurs, hope he's between 25-29 of age.

[noles1983]

Meanwhile, the Spurs are going into the new season with Aldridge, a hungover Green, Gasol on a new lengthy deal, and will wait for TP to return.


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[Chinook]

Should also say that I'm pretty freaking terrified of the cap implosing coming in 2021. While four-year deals this summer wouldn't be part of that. The idea of Houston paying $46 Million against a $90-Million cap is all too real.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Rose should be cheaper and require less years if the Spurs dont want to sign Hill multiple years. Multiple years for Hill should give pause for concern. Can he stay healthy....

Worrying about Hill staying healthy while advocating for Rose. :lol

MPaul and Rose were never in our plans. Way more likely to be something like Hill, Millsap, and another top six rotation guy. Looks like a fire sale on Clippers too - you have Jordan, Crawford, and JJ all seemingly attainable too.

[TimDunkem]

https://media.giphy.com/media/xUA7aVaJnJi0grQses/200w.gifDanny is fresh out da club and ready to NOT begin working on his game. 6th ring incoming!

[raybies]

In my Iggy Millsap scenario

Murray/White/Parker
Leonard/Green/Hanga/Forbes
Iggy/Simmons/Blossomgame
Millsap/Bertans/Anderson
Gasol/Milutinov

A lot of small ball arrangements

[TimDunkem]

In my Iggy Millsap scenario

Murray/White/Parker
Leonard/Green/Hanga/Forbes
Iggy/Simmons/Blossomgame
Millsap/Bertans/Anderson
Gasol/Milutinov

A lot of small ball arrangements
Iggy will stay in Golden State and Millsap isn't coming.

But at least Manu is coming back. :lol

[raybies]

Worrying about Hill staying healthy while advocating for Rose. :lol

MPaul and Rose were never in our plans. Way more likely to be something like Hill, Millsap, and another top six rotation guy. Looks like a fire sale on Clippers too - you have Jordan, Crawford, and JJ all seemingly attainable too.
NOt really advocating... Just looking outside the box what the Spurs might be thinking.

and Hill being unhealthy for more years is different than a short contract for less money...

[BatManu20]

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Trash.

[raybies]

Iggy will stay in Golden State and Millsap isn't coming.

But at least Manu is coming back. :lol
true :lmao

[CGD]

I'm good with a transition year next season. Don't care for Lowry, Hill at big money, or Blake at big money. George ain't coming. Rose, Love, meh. No one else really moves the needle for me.

Id be happy trying to get the best assets for LMA and Green at this point.

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Rockets cornering the market on ball dominant players.

[TimDunkem]

Can't wait for another wasted year of Kawhi's prime.

[raybies]

Rockets cornering the market on ball dominant players.
they are gonna implode lol worse than dwight. funny how short term the memory on Harden was. His last game in the playoffs would've been a red flag in my books

[TimDunkem]

Rockets cornering the market on ball dominant players.
Melo wouldn't be ball dominant in Houston. He would absolutely be content shooting the ball only when needed after getting his buyout and joining CP3 and Harden. :lol

[BatManu20]

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[gambit1990]

no to derrick rose, george hill, kyle lowry
taking shaun livingston over iggy
would definately take millsap for la
would try to flip gasol to washington for gortat
spurs need to unload parker's contract, need help at PG

[cjw]

Tbh and I live here. 50 percent of the city looks like North Mexico, it's deadly hot AND humid 9 months out of the year, public trans and facilities suck, and there's not much to do.

Athletes taking public transportation? Lol

Have you ever been to LA? Also looks like north Mexico

Weather in Houston sucks worse. I live in NYC and weather is nice about 4 months a year. Either hot or cold.

[tdunk21]

Being Spurs fans I think we should get used to it by now and not get our hopes up. Every draft, free agency, trade deadline. We are and were consistent in not making any major moves, so why would we do it now?

[TimDunkem]

Athletes taking public transportation? Lol

Have you ever been to LA? Also looks like north Mexico

Weather in Houston sucks worse. I live in NYC and weather is nice about 4 months a year. Either hot or cold.I'm just saying there's literally nothing here to like. Maybe the food and big women if you're into that.

[BatManu20]

Lebron or Westbrook to the Spurs next summer is our only hope, tbh.

[Hoops Czar]

I'm just saying there's literally nothing here to like. Maybe the food and big women if you're into that.

Who doesn't like a boat ride on the dirty river walk these days.

[TimDunkem]

Lebron or Westbrook to the Spurs next summer is our only hope, tbh.
Westbrook won't pull a Durant and LeBron Isn't coming to SA. :lmao

[TimDunkem]

Who doesn't like a boat ride on the dirty river walk these days.
With a sweaty ass and a cow munching on their burrito next to you during the ride.

[Hoops Czar]

Lebron or Westbrook to the Spurs next summer is our only hope, tbh.


You should start a thread about it (Westbrook/Lebron to Spurs) so when next off-season comes, we're ready.

[gambit1990]

Tbh and I live here. 50 percent of the city looks like North Mexico, it's deadly hot AND humid 9 months out of the year, public trans and facilities suck, and there's not much to do.
when i lived in sa i liked how there were people with inferiority complexes that had to go out of their way to declare "san antonio is better than austin" as a way to reassure themselves :lol

[BatManu20]

Westbrook won't pull a Durant and LeBron Isn't coming to SA. :lmao

Lebron def isn't coming to SA. But another 1st-Round exit next season might change Westbrook's mind about his future in OKC, tbh. You never know.

[Hoops Czar]

With a sweaty ass and a cow munching on their burrito next to you during the ride.

:lmao

[Ice009]

Being Spurs fans I think we should get used to it by now and not get our hopes up. Every draft, free agency, trade deadline. We are and were consistent in not making any major moves, so why would we do it now?

It was supposed to be different this time around. Spurs were supposed to have built up more cred then they ever had after 2014. Kawhi worked very hard at turning himself into a top 3 player. He was supposed to be a draw card to getting another big name free agent.

I mean, did any of these guys not watch the playoffs. Kawhi showed he was basically the MVP, yet everyone else wants to buddy up with anyone but him. I don't know if it's his personality (or lack thereof), Pop's tight reigns, or San Antonio itself. It seems like the Spurs don't have much going for them at all. Doesn't seem like they can get major free agents to sign here at all.

[duncan2150]

Can't wait for another wasted year of Kawhi's prime.

You're right we are done, what a poor statement.......

[TimDunkem]

Lebron def isn't coming to SA. But another 1st-Round might change Wetbrook's mind about his future in OKC, tbh. You never know.
Westbrook strikes me as a guy who doesn't mind staying in OKC being the man and breaking records. Maybe when he's 32 he'll be a Spur...Right after TP finally retires. :lmao

[TimDunkem]

You're right we are done, what a poor statement.......
Definitely not doing anything this year.

[Mr. Body]

What TF is wrong with you? Two years ago they got Aldridge to sign. Last year they got fail to sign. This year they didn't seem interested in Chris Paul.

[SAGirl]

George Hill will sign with Spurs. Book it.

Now I am kind of thinking they already knew CP3 was leaning away from the Spurs and moved on to HIll...
Then Jazz kind of already knew about Hill bolting and moved on to trade for a PG in the draft and aim to sign Teodosic....
wow this moratorium or what not is a sham.

[NASpurs]

This front office has as much teeth as LMA being guarded by midgets on the post. I'm just waiting to be disappointed come July 6th. Sure, let's sign old ass Gasol to an even longer contract, keep Parker until he's 40 and bring back a disgruntled Aldridge for another year.

[Chinook]

What TF is wrong with you? Two years ago they got Aldridge to sign. Last year they got fail to sign. This year they didn't seem interested in Chris Paul.

Love this.

[tbdog]

Westbrook strikes me as a guy who doesn't mind staying in OKC being the man and breaking records. Maybe when he's 32 he'll be a Spur...Right after TP finally retires. :lmao

If he leaves, he will go to a big market and continue playing dress up.

[TimDunkem]

This front office has as much teeth as LMA being guarded by midgets on the post. I'm just waiting to be disappointed come July 7th. Sure, let's sign old ass Gasol to an even longer contract, keep Parker until he's 40 and bring back a disgruntled Aldridge for another year.
Don't forget bringing in an aging, increasingly injury prone Hill on a huge contract.

[TimDunkem]

If he leaves, he will go to a big market and continue playing dress up.
I agree.

[tbdog]

Get Hayward and Gibson. Resign Simmons or keep Green. Trade Lma.

[TimDunkem]

Love this.
I lol'd. :lol

[NASpurs]

Don't forget bringing in an aging, increasingly injury prone Hill on a huge contract.

And overrated as fuck. Do not want.

[Mal]

You should start a thread about it (Westbrook/Lebron to Spurs) so when next off-season comes, we're ready.

Better start now, it will have 50 pages of laughs, good points, wishfull thinkings before it all falls apart.

[HarlemHeat37]

Spurs should be transitioning, anyways..they should be taking fliers on young players and getting assets in return for win-now players like Aldridge and DG..nobody is near the Warriors, right now, take the next year or 2 to retool, rather than blowing your future on ancient players like Chris Paul and Millsap(they'll still win 50+, regardless, by just having Kawhi and Pop)

[Ice009]

Now I am kind of thinking they already knew CP3 was leaning away from the Spurs and moved on to HIll...
Then Jazz kind of already knew about Hill bolting and moved on to trade for a PG in the draft and aim to sign Teodosic....
wow this moratorium or what not is a sham.

Why is there a moratorium? Why can't teams just sign players and make trades right away? I thought I read a few years ago it was so that they could use the time to calculate the salary cap or something?

[TimDunkem]

Get Hayward and Gibson. Resign Simmons or keep Green. Trade Lma.
They couldn't afford Hayward/Gibson/Simmons together without making moves the FA clearly is having trouble making. Hayward won't come here either.

[TimDunkem]

Spurs should be transitioning, anyways..they should be taking fliers on young players and getting assets in return for win-now players like Aldridge and DG..nobody is near the Warriors, right now, take the next year or 2 to retool, rather than blowing your future on ancient players like Chris Paul and Millsap(they'll still win 50+, regardless, by just having Kawhi and Pop)
Too bad no one wants pussy LMA.

[Ice009]

This front office has as much teeth as LMA being guarded by midgets on the post. I'm just waiting to be disappointed come July 6th. Sure, let's sign old ass Gasol to an even longer contract, keep Parker until he's 40 and bring back a disgruntled Aldridge for another year.

Well another poster mentioned he heard the front office wasn't too happy about Tony basically asking for another contract. Hopefully, at least, that guys sources are correct about the FO not being pleased with Parker asking for another contract. That shouldn't even really be a concern for them, though. They should already be looking to trade him.

[Ice009]

Don't forget bringing in an aging, increasingly injury prone Hill on a huge contract.

Anyone have Hill's injury history from after he was traded?

[tbdog]

They couldn't afford Hayward/Gibson/Simmons together without making moves the FA clearly is having trouble making. Hayward won't come here either.

They can go into tax with Simmons. Plus Hayward is such a Spur type player. He doesn't look like a Boston player. If we had to dump Lma and Green, that's 30mil, plus Gasol comes back for less. I think you can get both.

[TimDunkem]

That's a lot of "if" scenarios. :lol

[Joseph Kony]

with the cap being lower than projected and PGs being a dime a dozen in todays NBA, i'm not so sure teams will be lining up to give Hill the max, spurs may be able to get him on a "cheap" deal, or at least a little less than a max for him

[NASpurs]

Anyone have Hill's injury history from after he was traded?

Here you go:

http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/Search/SearchResults.php?Player=george+hill&Team=&BeginDate=&EndDate=&InjuriesChkBx=yes&Submit=Search******=0

BTW, there's two pages on that bad boy.

[gambit1990]

rather than blowing your future on ancient players like Chris Paul and Millsap(they'll still win 50+, regardless, by just having Kawhi and Pop)
:lol

32 but last season:
-had the 2nd best assist to turnover ratio
-tied for 1st in steals
-also...878788745746673667

concern over his age is overblown. spurs missed out badly.

[Chinook]

Spurs should be transitioning, anyways..they should be taking fliers on young players and getting assets in return for win-now players like Aldridge and DG..nobody is near the Warriors, right now, take the next year or 2 to retool, rather than blowing your future on ancient players like Chris Paul and Millsap(they'll still win 50+, regardless, by just having Kawhi and Pop)

With LMA, I think you trade him if you can get a deal like M4T was saying. I think you ask Green how badly he wants to remain a Spur for the rest of his career. Think he's earned Haslem-level consideration if he's willing to take the right salaries.

Outside of elite prospects, I don't agree. Murray's going to play regardless, and no one else under 24 deserves a rotation spot. Let them figure it out, but see who you can add to the core. They shouldn't go all out trying to compete, but they owe it to Kawhi not to just surround him like late-firsts and former busts.

[TimDunkem]

:lol

32 but last season:
-had the 2nd best assist to turnover ratio
-tied for 1st in steals
-also...878788745746673667

concern over his age is overblown.
Especially since the Spurs are waiting on TP to come back anyway. Let's not forget Manu will return, and Gasol will still get big minutes. It's not like we weren't going to roll with old guys regardless. :lol

[TheDoctor]

If he leaves, he will go to a big market and continue playing dress up.
Westbrook/Kawhi to LAC confirmed tbh.

[Chinook]

They couldn't afford Hayward/Gibson/Simmons together without making moves the FA clearly is having trouble making. Hayward won't come here either.

Depends on what Gibson makes. If they move LMA and Green, they should be able to afford all three. Could probably say under the tax too if they take the Arenas distribution on a Simmons contract.

[DPG21920]

CP to HOU is a great move esp if it gets Harden off the ball. Money longer term aside HOU is stacked.

[rastaspur]

If you can get hill for around 20 to 23 million a year I'm okay with it. If higher, look elsewhere

[rjv]

Get Hayward and Gibson. Resign Simmons or keep Green. Trade Lma. i think hayward winds up in boston (setting off the PG to Boston trade in the process)

[TimDunkem]

If you can get hill for around 20 to 23 million a year I'm okay with it. If higher, look elsewhere
Ew. He's injury prone now too you know.

[TimDunkem]

Depends on what Gibson makes. If they move LMA and Green, they should be able to afford all three. Could probably say under the tax too if they take the Arenas distribution on a Simmons contract.
I think Gibson will make at least 12 mill a year. He's coveted.

[HarlemHeat37]

:lol

32 but last season:
-had the 2nd best assist to turnover ratio
-tied for 1st in steals
-also...878788745746673667

concern over his age is overblown. spurs missed out badly.

Didn't say he wasn't still a great player, but he's going to receive a super max deal..Spurs would be paying him 30+ per year while he's 35-37:lol they'll be losing to the Warriors and have nothing to look forward to..

Now, if they ultimately sign some other old players to long-term deals and actually allow Parker to play until he's 40, then I'll agree with you:lol hopefully they aren't thinking this way, though..

[tbdog]

If you can get hill for around 20 to 23 million a year I'm okay with it. If higher, look elsewhere

That's so much money though.

[NASpurs]

Spurs weren't going to have CP3 on the books if it meant having Parker and his $15 million as well. The team wasn't going to carry $50 million a year at the point guard position. If you truly believed the Spurs aren't going to trade Parker and his contract, then the Spurs making a run at CP3 wasn't a realistic option seeing that a big percentage of the cap was going to be tied up at one position.

[Chinook]

I think Gibson will make at least 12 mill a year. He's coveted.

If that's it, it's very possible. Roughly calculating, moving LMA and Green gets $55 Million in cap space. $12M for Taj, $31M for Gordon and $11M for Pau. Would leave enough for Simmons' hold and plenty under the tax for his Arenas offer.

[Hoops Czar]

CP to HOU is a great move esp if it gets Harden off the ball. Money longer term aside HOU is stacked.


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[TimDunkem]

If that's it, it's very possible. Roughly calculating, moving LMA and Green gets $55 Million in cap space. $12M for Taj, $31M for Gordon and $11M for Pau. Would leave enough for Simmons' hold and plenty under the tax for his Arenas offer.If you can't get Hayward - which is HIGHLY unlikely - then they're not better off with Gibson.

[rjv]

If that's it, it's very possible. Roughly calculating, moving LMA and Green gets $55 Million in cap space. $12M for Taj, $31M for Gordon and $11M for Pau. Would leave enough for Simmons' hold and plenty under the tax for his Arenas offer. man, if the spurs could pull that off...but i still think gordon winds up in beantown with PG.

[mo7888]

with the cap being lower than projected and PGs being a dime a dozen in todays NBA, i'm not so sure teams will be lining up to give Hill the max, spurs may be able to get him on a "cheap" deal, or at least a little less than a max for him

I think this is an important point. there are more quality PG's looking for a home than there are teams looking for a PG. Patience could very well pay off there.

[NASpurs]

If that's it, it's very possible. Roughly calculating, moving LMA and Green gets $55 Million in cap space. $12M for Taj, $31M for Gordon and $11M for Pau. Would leave enough for Simmons' hold and plenty under the tax for his Arenas offer.

God I hope this happens. Sign me up.

[Mal]

:lol

32 but last season:
-had the 2nd best assist to turnover ratio
-tied for 1st in steals
-also...878788745746673667

concern over his age is overblown. spurs missed out badly.

How many sure all-star level years you give him, before drastic decline ? 3 at best, Houston is paying 220 mil for that. Spurs weren't going to do that.

[NASpurs]

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[Chinook]

If you can't get Hayward - which is HIGHLY unlikely - then they're not better off with Gibson.

All right. I dunno if Hayward would come to the Spurs or not. I was just saying that he and Gibson could work along with re-signing Pau

[NASpurs]

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[Chinook]

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Yeah, pretty sure Stern would nix this.

[TimDunkem]

Good for them. At least they're trying to compete and not throwing seasons away.

[rastaspur]

That's so much money though.

It is. All contracts are now crazy. I don't really like it but it is what it is.

In my mind his production is worth 15 to 17 million. But the market will dictate much more

[TimDunkem]

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ROCKETS GAVE UP TOO MUCH!

Oops. Forgot the blue font.

[TheDoctor]

Spurs should be transitioning, anyways..they should be taking fliers on young players and getting assets in return for win-now players like Aldridge and DG..nobody is near the Warriors, right now, take the next year or 2 to retool, rather than blowing your future on ancient players like Chris Paul and Millsap(they'll still win 50+, regardless, by just having Kawhi and Pop)
I don't get this "it's ok to stand pat cause we'll win 50 anyway" mentality. Fuck that. If they going to retool tank the shit out of the Season tbh. What's the difference in winning 49 to 50 if you're out of the 'Ship contention regardless? To keep alive a stupid record?

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't get this "it's ok to stand pat cause we'll win 50 anyway" mentality. Fuck that. If they going to retool tank the shit out of the Season tbh. What's the difference in winning 49 to 50 if you're out of the 'Ship contention regardless? To keep alive a stupid record?

Kawhi is way too good to tank, tbh..he's a top 3 player in the league and can carry a team to 50 all by himself..combine that with Pop coaching his last few years before retirement and they would never tank..

Realistically, Spurs would never actually commit to my ideal plan of re-tooling..they're trying to win now, clearly..with the centerpieces of the franchise(Pop and Parker) nearing the end, Manu and Gasol potentially returning and Kawhi in his prime, they'll try to win immediately by signing George Hill or somebody of that nature..

Hill might be ideal for them(I don't want him, personally) because he can slide over to the 2 and keep Parker's seat warm, tbh..

[TimDunkem]

Kawhi is way too good to tank, tbh..he's a top 3 player in the league and can carry a team to 50 all by himself..combine that with Pop coaching his last few years before retirement and they would never tank..

Realistically, Spurs would never actually commit to my ideal plan of re-tooling..they're trying to win now, clearly..with the centerpieces of the franchise(Pop and Parker) nearing the end, Manu and Gasol potentially returning and Kawhi in his prime, they'll try to win immediately by signing George Hill or somebody of that nature..
Signing GH doesn't help you win now, imo.

[HarlemHeat37]

Signing GH doesn't help you win now, imo.

I'm not a fan, but he's at his peak, right now, he's familiar with the organization and he can play next to Parker..seems perfect for what Pop and Buford are looking for..

[TimDunkem]

I'm not a fan, but he's at his peak, right now, he's familiar with the organization and he can play next to Parker..seems perfect for what Pop and Buford are looking for..
He's injury prone now, eats up all your cap, and playing next to an old guy who just had a horrible injury doesn't sound great at all.

[NASpurs]

One of those is not like the other.

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[Russ]

Things are lining up perfectly for the Spurs.

JJ Redick? (Nobody seems to mention him.)

[NASpurs]

Things are lining up perfectly for the Spurs.

JJ Redick? (Nobody seems to mention him.)

Because he's 33, on the decline and wants to get paid.

[TimDunkem]

Because he's 33, on the decline and wants to get paid.
Pretty much.

[HarlemHeat37]

He's injury prone now, eats up all your cap, and playing next to an old guy who just had a horrible injury doesn't sound great at all.

I fully agree..just telling you what I expect them to do:lol

[TimDunkem]

I fully agree..just telling you what I expect them to do:lol
I don't disagree that the Spurs are probably looking this way too. It's depressing. :lol

[SAGirl]

I just want the Spurs to salary dump LMA, TP and not overpay an old ass has been to a long term deal. Is that so much to ask?

:pop: YES!

[Hoops Czar]

I'm not a fan, but he's at his peak, right now, he's familiar with the organization and he can play next to Parker..seems perfect for what Pop and Buford are looking for..

The reason he was traded away in the first place was because he was a terrible fit next to Parker. :lol He's one of the few players more injury prone than CP3 and he's going to tie up money that could be better spent on other free agents in years to come. The love affair with this guy is beyond absurd. I'd rather have Jru Holiday, tbh.

[TimDunkem]

The reason he was traded away in the first place was because he was a terrible fit next to Parker. :lol He's one of the few players more injury prone than CP3 and he's going to tie up money that could be better spent on other free agents in years to come. The love affair with this guy is beyond absurd. I'd rather have Jru Holiday, tbh.
I'd love Jrue too. Too bad he's another guy who is either staying on his team or getting the big bucks with someone else. :depressed

[Ice009]

One of those is not like the other.

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Fuck, I was going to mention that they're probably going to go for Paul George too now. I think they will. There's plenty of strippers to entice PG there too.

[Ice009]

He's injury prone now, eats up all your cap, and playing next to an old guy who just had a horrible injury doesn't sound great at all.

What injury did he have in the playoffs?

[TimDunkem]

What injury did he have in the playoffs?
He had a bad toe, I believe.

[HarlemHeat37]

The reason he was traded away in the first place was because he was a terrible fit next to Parker. :lol He's one of the few players more injury prone than CP3 and he's going to tie up money that could be better spent on other free agents in years to come. The love affair with this guy is beyond absurd. I'd rather have Jru Holiday, tbh.

The NBA has changed dramatically since Parker/Hill were last together, tbh..I'm not a fan, I absolutely don't want a 30+ year old combo guard with a glass body, but I'd bet that he will be their target. .

[rjv]

Fuck, I was going to mention that they're probably going to go for Paul George too now. I think they will. There's plenty of strippers to entice PG there too. you mean the girls from sugar's aren't enough for PG?

[gambit1990]

so after derrick rose signs with another team, who do the spurs end up getting? pablo prigioni? :lol

[RD2191]

so after derrick rose signs with another team, who do the spurs end up getting? pablo prigioni? :lol
:lobt2:

[TimDunkem]

you mean the girls from sugar's aren't enough for PG?
With their big stretchmarked stomachs with C-section scars? Yeah, probably not.

[TimDunkem]

so after derrick rose signs with another team, who do the spurs end up getting? pablo prigioni? :lol
Nah. Spurs "weren't interested" because they have Tony coming back better than ever. :lol

[Ice009]

Hey, there's a 61 year old guy in Vegas trying to make the NBA. He should be the Spurs next target.

[rastaspur]

All this injury prone talk had me research his injury history. 5 out of his first 6 years he managed to play more than 70 games. In two of his last three he barely played half the season.

That definitely causes concern. I don't want injury prone 30 something year olds. If 20 million or less I will live with it, but not advocating they bring him in

[Ice009]

Nah. Spurs "weren't interested" because they have Tony coming back better than ever. :lol

I really do hope the Spurs don't gamble on Parker coming back. I mean, they should be treating it as a career ending injury. They should be looking to trade his contract, but since they probably won't, they should be preparing like he might not be able to come back from it.

[TimDunkem]

All this injury prone talk had me research his injury history. 5 out of his first 6 years he managed to play more than 70 games. In two of his last three he barely played half the season.

That definitely causes concern. I don't want injury prone 30 something year olds. If 20 million or less I will live with it, but not advocating they bring him in
Don't want him for 20 million either.

[TimDunkem]

I really do hope the Spurs don't gamble on Parker coming back. I mean, they should be treating it as a career ending injury. They should be looking to trade his contract, but since they probably won't, they should be preparing like he might not be able to come back from it.Agreed but they'll never give up on a Spurs legend. They'll give him another loyalty contract before that happens.

[tmtcsc]

Being Spurs fans I think we should get used to it by now and not get our hopes up. Every draft, free agency, trade deadline. We are and were consistent in not making any major moves, so why would we do it now?

WTF are you talking about? Two years ago we landed THE top free agent in Lamarcus Aldridge. He hasn't worked out but the Spurs absolutely won the FA summer that year. Chris Paul in SA at the right salary would have been great. Not sure what Houston is going to look like at the end of the day. Beverly was their best defender.

[NASpurs]

:lmao

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[rastaspur]

Don't want him for 20 million either.

Looking at available free agent point guards, there aren't really any decent bargain bin signings.

This a kind of a pickle.

I'm not opposed to starting Murray and trying to bring in a filler back up like shelving mack or someone.

Or alternatively, sign teodosic.

These options might be more appealing and a stop gap measure to Guage Murray's development without committing the organization to a potential albatross of a contract if hill can't stay healthy

[SAGirl]

Why is there a moratorium? Why can't teams just sign players and make trades right away? I thought I read a few years ago it was so that they could use the time to calculate the salary cap or something?

That's what I read too when the Deandre Jordan fiasco became kind of a scandal and discussions about shortening it in the first place came up... but I am not the person to ask about these things.

[Robz4000]

:lmao

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:rollin

[gambit1990]

:lmao

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:lol

[SpurPadre]

so after derrick rose signs with another team, who do the spurs end up getting? pablo prigioni? :lol

And Steve Novak, tbh.

[TimDunkem]

Damn. Even the Spurs Twitter is slacking. When was the last time they posted something that funny? :lol

[Chinook]

:lmao

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That Blazers Twitter account is legit. Silver can suck a dick is hr tries to censor it again.

[marinoman]

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[SAGirl]

Kawhi is way too good to tank, tbh..he's a top 3 player in the league and can carry a team to 50 all by himself..combine that with Pop coaching his last few years before retirement and they would never tank..

Realistically, Spurs would never actually commit to my ideal plan of re-tooling..they're trying to win now, clearly..with the centerpieces of the franchise(Pop and Parker) nearing the end, Manu and Gasol potentially returning and Kawhi in his prime, they'll try to win immediately by signing George Hill or somebody of that nature..

Hill might be ideal for them(I don't want him, personally) because he can slide over to the 2 and keep Parker's seat warm, tbh..

Damn HH! I completely had forgotten about that.

I am really not enthused about that team...

[GSH]

All this injury prone talk had me research his injury history. 5 out of his first 6 years he managed to play more than 70 games. In two of his last three he barely played half the season.

That definitely causes concern. I don't want injury prone 30 something year olds. If 20 million or less I will live with it, but not advocating they bring him in


I wrote off Grant Hill and the sonofabitch had several great years in Phoenix. It's a concern, and I'm sure it will affect his market. But if that makes him affordable he's worth a shot. He's solid, and he would be a steadying presence for this offense. And he plays defense, which would be a welcome change at the point. Far from a disaster if he signs here. But, yeah, at the right price.

[GSH]

The time to tank and rebuild was last year. They would be in great shape now, and even better shape next year. They went a different route. Now they will stay on that path.

[noles1983]

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Don't want to hear that faggot whine about not having a ring when he retires.

[BatManu20]

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[marinoman]

Just saw on bleacher report Paul despises doc for not involving Austin rivers to get melo

[coachmac87]

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Didn't he report George would "open" to resigning with Cavs, Celtics or Spurs like a couple hours ago??

His sources are as bad as mine tbh

[Chinook]

Didn't he report George would "open" to resigning with Cavs, Celtics or Spurs like a couple hours ago??

His sources are as bad as mine tbh

I think that's the point of his article. PG isn't as gung-ho about LAL as Woj's report suggested. If he lands on a good team, he'll likely re-sign, and he'd even accept an extend-and-trade.

[Ice009]

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2017/06/28/paul-george-warned-indiana-pacers-trade/435476001/
Ditto for the Celtics or the San Antonio Spurs, teams that could fulfill George’s desire for title contention and thus put themselves in the running. And should the Lakers come along and trade for him early to ensure he doesn’t fall in love with another team, then so be it. The person spoke with USA TODAY Sports on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the situation.

Interesting paragraph from that article. Are the Spurs even trying to get him?

[NASpurs]

:rollin Knicks

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2718554-frank-ntilikina-suffers-knee-injury-in-1st-knicks-practice-after-2017-nba-draft


"Six days after being selected eighth overall by the New York Knicks (http://bleacherreport.com/new-york-knicks) in the 2017 NBA (http://bleacherreport.com/nba) draft, Frank Ntilikina (http://bleacherreport.com/frank-ntilikina) injured his knee during a practice session."

[BatManu20]

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[Chinook]

Interesting paragraph from that article. Are the Spurs even trying to get him?

Nothing we didn't already know. It's saying that he'd be willing to give SA a chance. So that's a "yes-ish" from one of the three sides of the transaction. But the Spurs would have to be willing to offer a package good enough to get the Pacers to agree. If anything, PG being so wishy-washy is hurting the Spurs.

[Jdspur20]

Didn't he report George would "open" to resigning with Cavs, Celtics or Spurs like a couple hours ago??

His sources are as bad as mine tbh

I think you've been way more accurate than he has

[coachmac87]

I think that's the point of his article. PG isn't as gung-ho about LAL as Woj's report suggested. If he lands on a good team, he'll likely re-sign, and he'd even accept an extend-and-trade.

Then he goes to Boston

[Atl Spur]

Then he goes to Boston

Let that hoe ass dude go to them! I'm with Pop and RC...... Inmates can never run the asylum.

[Ice009]

Nothing we didn't already know. It's saying that he'd be willing to give SA a chance. So that's a "yes-ish" from one of the three sides of the transaction. But the Spurs would have to be willing to offer a package good enough to get the Pacers to agree. If anything, PG being so wishy-washy is hurting the Spurs.

Well even if they don't get him, I just hope that they are trying as hard as possible to get him. Before all this started, I thought the Spurs would have to be one of the teams he'd consider re-signing with.

[Chinook]

Then he goes to Boston

It's a possibility. But Kawhi by himself is better than Boston right now. And Kawhi and LMA is close to Boston and Hayward. It'll come down to what he wants, what Indy wants and what the other team (BOS, CLE, SA, LAL) wants.

[Hoops Czar]

Nothing we didn't already know. It's saying that he'd be willing to give SA a chance. So that's a "yes-ish" from one of the three sides of the transaction. But the Spurs would have to be willing to offer a package good enough to get the Pacers to agree. If anything, PG being so wishy-washy is hurting the Spurs.

They don't need a commitment. They're basically trading one year of LMAO for one year of George. Neither side has leverage but PG is a much better recruiter and he can bring in a third star next season.

[coachmac87]

It's a possibility. But Kawhi by himself is better than Boston right now. And Kawhi and LMA is close to Boston and Hayward. It'll come down to what he wants, what Indy wants and what the other team (BOS, CLE, SA, LAL) wants.


It's not about who's better...it's about the assets to trade to Indy. Spurs can't compete with Boston when it comes to that..nobody can really

[Jdspur20]

Seems like a very quiet week for the Spurs after last week. Although, we haven't hit 7/1 yet

[Atl Spur]

We need players that understand the big picture...... New England and San Antonio understand this. Kawhi is a blessing......

[Chillen]

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Rockets at the moment can probably beat the Spurs next season. If they land either Melo or PG still won't be enough to beat the Warriors. If Spurs can sign Blake Griffin and trade LMA for a 1 year rental of PG and make some other moves they may have enough to beat Rockets next season, maybe Warriors. If Spurs don't do anything this offseason to counter Rockets, next season is gonna be a long one for sure.

[Chinook]

They don't need a commitment. They're basically trading one year of LMAO for one year of George. Neither side has leverage but PG is a much better recruiter and he can bring in a third star next season.

That's if Indy wants LMA. If they want LMA, Murray and two firsts, then the Spurs need a commitment. It's a 2D trade

[bklynspursfan]

They don't need a commitment. They're basically trading one year of LMAO for one year of George. Neither side has leverage but PG is a much better recruiter and he can bring in a third star next season.

Yes, exactly. I'll take PG over LMA for this year all day.

[Chinook]

It's not about who's better...it's about the assets to trade to Indy. Spurs can't compete with Boston when it comes to that..nobody can really

It's a 2D trade. Boston has to outbid SA for PG to agree to stay as well as for Indy to trade him.

[rjv]

That's if Indy wants LMA. If they want LMA, Murray and two firsts, then the Spurs need a commitment. It's a 2D trade yeah, i don't want to lose murray. and definitely not for a possible one-year rental.

[Ice009]

That's if Indy wants LMA. If they want LMA, Murray and two firsts, then the Spurs need a commitment. It's a 2D trade

How many of you guys would be willing to trade Dejounte if PG commits to re-sign or extend? I think I would do it for sure. We should be able to fill the PG slot pretty easy after that. You'll get guys like Derrick Rose wanting to step in for cheap to form a super team IMO.

Edit : BTW, I still don't want Derrick Rose.

[Robz4000]

Rockets at the moment can probably beat the Spurs next season. If they land either Melo or PG still won't be enough to beat the Warriors. If Spurs can sign Blake Griffin and trade LMA for a 1 year rental of PG and make some other moves they may have enough to beat Rockets next season, maybe Warriors. If Spurs don't do anything this offseason to counter Rockets, next season is gonna be a long one for sure.

Spurs would still beat the Rockets next year provided LMA is still on the team and everyone is fully healthy (and either Parker miraculously comes back and plays at a decent enough level or Murray takes a strong step forward).

[TimDunkem]

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[Chinook]

Murray is right next to Kawhi in terms of guys I'd be willing to trade. Leonard is the only untouchable, but Murray is about as untouchable as you can get without actually being there.

[TimDunkem]

Spurs would still beat the Rockets next year provided LMA is still on the team and everyone is fully healthy (and either Parker miraculously comes back and plays at a decent enough level or Murray takes a strong step forward).
Nah. CP3 is our daddy. He'll hit a game winner in game 7.

[Chinook]

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The Blazers are going to pissed to see Cash Considerations being part of this deal as well.

[szkorhetz]

That's if Indy wants LMA. If they want LMA, Murray and two firsts, then the Spurs need a commitment. It's a 2D trade
LMA has no value for a rebuilding franchise. If they trade PG they will be exactly that. Don't get your hopes up guys, we won't get PG13.

[Robz4000]

Nah. CP3 is our daddy. He'll hit a game winner in game 7.

CP0 isn't the Spurs' daddy, him combined with Griffin/DeMonkey on the PnR were. Spurs have plenty of wing defenders to throw on him and Harden but they could never handle Griffin and DeMonkey's athleticism.

[Chinook]

LMA has no value for a rebuilding franchise. If they trade PG they will be exactly that. Don't get your hopes up guys, we won't get PG13.

I'm not the one you should say that to.

[TimDunkem]

CP0 isn't the Spurs' daddy, him combined with Griffin/DeMonkey on the PnR were. Spurs have plenty of wing defenders to throw on him and Harden but they could never handle Griffin and DeMonkey's athleticism.
Guess that was just my imagination seeing him light us up every time they play the Spurs then.

And he'll just throw lobs to Capella now.

[Ice009]

LMA has no value for a rebuilding franchise. If they trade PG they will be exactly that. Don't get your hopes up guys, we won't get PG13.

I think you might have a chance if you include Dejounte and maybe even a draft pick. I also think the Nate McMillian and Pritchard connection would allow them to take Aldridge on as they're very familiar with him. They know how to get the best out of him IMO.

[Robz4000]

Guess that was just my imagination seeing him light us up every time they play the Spurs then.

And he'll just throw lobs to Capella now.

Capella is 4-5 inches shorter than DeMonkey and there's no Griffin to worry about so they can guard the lob easier.

[TimDunkem]

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[Aggie Hoopsfan]

My guess is that the Spurs are going for wing scoring / D and post help this offseason.

In no particular order:

Scoring wing: Hayward, Gallinari, Iggy, Redick, Waiters, Galloway, Simmons
F/C help: Nene, McGee, Dedmon, Millsap, Ibaka, Gasol, Ilyasove, Gibson

[Nathan89]

Much rather send a 1st round pick to the Clippers for Beverley than overpay George Hill. Then hopefully we could make a move for Paul George. Not sure who we'd play at center but we'd have a nice 1-4 small ball unit.

[TimDunkem]

4-5 inches shorter? Now you're just making shit up, Rob.

[Chinook]

They managed to do the deal without Williams, thus allowing them to trade him "for nothing" and get a TE. Still have a lot of work to do, but interesting.

[Robz4000]

4-5 inches shorter? Now you're just making shit up, Rob.

Capella is noticeably shorter than LMA who is 6'11" while DeMonkey is 7'1"/7'2".

[gambit1990]

Capella is 4-5 inches shorter than DeMonkey and there's no Griffin to worry about so they can guard the lob easier.
yeah, la and gasol will both be older & fatter so they can guard the lob easier :rolleyes

[gambit1990]

even if the spurs manage to swap out la for another big... they still help at PG. and if they trade green for one their defense is gonna take a hit. it's just nuts that the spurs would retain tony.

pop is starting to remind me of michael scott... "business is always personal. it's the most personal thing in the world."

[TheGreatYacht]

Rockets get Shawn Long for a 2nd rnd pick and cash. Wow one of my targets.... averaged 8 & 5 in just 13 minutes last year for Philly

Morey playing Chess

[objective]

What really sucks about this Houston deal is Paul opting into $25 million while everyone​ was making calculations to get Paul into caproom at $30-35 million.

Instead he takes this giant injury risk. Morey isn't a sucker like RC and Pop, if Paul gets a bad injury in this final year he's not getting a loyalty contract, he's screwed. Even if it's not major, say it's meniscus, his free agency value is trashed as a 33 year old with a bad knee, he's not making back the $100 million guaranteed he could have gotten.

Unlike Porker who can ooze along until he's 40 making a king's ransom.

[TimDunkem]

yeah, la and gasol will both be older & fatter so they can guard the lob easier :rolleyesNot like they'll even be in the way to guard a lob since CP3 and Harden will be running circles around our front court. :lol

[Robz4000]

yeah, la and gasol will both be older & fatter so they can guard the lob easier :rolleyes

LMA will also be in a contract year this season so the added motivation should help him get into better shape. If not he won't be here come playoff time. Gasol won't get any slower than he already is yet was a decent enough rim protector (about his only positive impact on that end).

[Nathan89]

I'll be furious if Spurs overpay a role player at pg like George Hill over trading a pick for Beverly.

[TimDunkem]

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[szkorhetz]

Rockets get Shawn Long for a 2nd rnd pick and cash. Wow one of my targets.... averaged 8 & 5 in just 13 minutes last year for Philly

Morey playing Chess
GM of the year, TBH.

Now if they sign Gasol for the full MLE.. :lol

[cjw]

Much rather send a 1st round pick to the Clippers for Beverley than overpay George Hill. Then hopefully we could make a move for Paul George. Not sure who we'd play at center but we'd have a nice 1-4 small ball unit.

Totally, totally agree. $5mm per year for two years is a steal and the money could be diverted elsewhere.

But that first round pick would probably be needed for PG13. Don't think there's enough otherwise - double you want to trade Murray.

[Dex]

I'll be furious if Spurs overpay a role player at pg like George Hill over trading a pick for Beverly.

How do you know Clippers are willing to trade Bev, especially for as little as a late draft pick?

Maybe if we sweetened the pot a little though. Bah god that's Kyle Andersons music! :stirpot:

[Hoops Czar]

Totally, totally agree. $5mm per year for two years is a steal and the money could be diverted elsewhere.

But that first round pick would probably be needed for PG13. Don't think there's enough otherwise - double you want to trade Murray.

Save Murray for Westbrook next season. Don't waste him on PG.

[cjw]

What really sucks about this Houston deal is Paul opting into $25 million while everyone​ was making calculations to get Paul into caproom at $30-35 million.

Instead he takes this giant injury risk. Morey isn't a sucker like RC and Pop, if Paul gets a bad injury in this final year he's not getting a loyalty contract, he's screwed. Even if it's not major, say it's meniscus, his free agency value is trashed as a 33 year old with a bad knee, he's not making back the $100 million guaranteed he could have gotten.

Unlike Porker who can ooze along until he's 40 making a king's ransom.

Isn't he eligible to sign an extension immediately (by immediately, I mean in the new league year) as it's been almost four years since his last deal was signed? So the big salary will kick in one year from now at 35% of the cap and with 8% Bird raises.

Not really risking injury here unless he hurts himself in the next few weeks.

[TheGreatYacht]

GM of the year, TBH.

Now if they sign Gasol for the full MLE.. :lol
I hate that fat fuck as much as the next guy, but I'd trade Buford for him in a second

[Chinook]

GM of the year, TBH.

Now if they sign Gasol for the full MLE.. :lol

Can't think of anything more wonderful than them signing CP away AND getting rid of Gasol.

[CGD]

Truly hope Clips keep Blake and sign Lowry. Spurs need to stay away from both!

[CGD]

I'll be furious if Spurs overpay a role player at pg like George Hill over trading a pick for Beverly.

Start getting ready to be furious. It just feels like Hill is coming back, even on a short deal.

[Nathan89]

Totally, totally agree. $5mm per year for two years is a steal and the money could be diverted elsewhere.

But that first round pick would probably be needed for PG13. Don't think there's enough otherwise - double you want to trade Murray.

That's true. As long as we don't end up overpaying a pg like George Hill when Bev is available. Not sure how we would obtain PG. Still other options with straight cap space if we get Bev. Blake would be the biggest impact guy. Then you have Hayward or Millsap options.

Bev
Green
Kawhi
Griffin
LMA

[objective]

Isn't he eligible to sign an extension immediately (by immediately, I mean in the new league year) as it's been almost four years since his last deal was signed? So the big salary will kick in one year from now at 35% of the cap and with 8% Bird raises.

Not really risking injury here unless he hurts himself in the next few weeks.

If that's true, my mistake.

[bklynspursfan]

What really sucks about this Houston deal is Paul opting into $25 million while everyone​ was making calculations to get Paul into caproom at $30-35 million.

Instead he takes this giant injury risk. Morey isn't a sucker like RC and Pop, if Paul gets a bad injury in this final year he's not getting a loyalty contract, he's screwed. Even if it's not major, say it's meniscus, his free agency value is trashed as a 33 year old with a bad knee, he's not making back the $100 million guaranteed he could have gotten.

Unlike Porker who can ooze along until he's 40 making a king's ransom.

Paul wouldn't get a loyalty contract anyway for being with the team 3 years lol

TP got a bigger contract because he's been super important to this team for 10+ years. To think RC/Pop would do that will CP3 after 2-3 years is kinda crazy

[Hoops Czar]

GM of the year, TBH.

Now if they sign Gasol for the full MLE.. :lol

Remember when RC Buford was executive of the year for bringing in the likes of Jeff Ayres and Marco Belinelli? Good times!

[r0drig0lac]

Rockets get Shawn Long for a 2nd rnd pick and cash. Wow one of my targets.... averaged 8 & 5 in just 13 minutes last year for Philly

Morey playing NBA 2K

[NASpurs]

People who want McLemore here are about to jizz their pants

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[TimDunkem]

Now Kawhi can rip him twice in a row in practice.

[Chinook]

People who want McLemore here are about to jizz their pants

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I like him on a cheap deal not using cap space. But I like him less if Simmons, Green and White are all on the team come August.

[NASpurs]

I like him on a cheap deal not using cap space. But I like him less if Simmons, Green and White are all on the team come August.

I don't know, depth at the wings is something the Spurs were severely lacking last year and one of those players you just named is a rookie.

[TD 21]

Spurs had a plan for next year, that's why they freed up all that cap space. Part of that space may have been to resign Aldridge but that's not happening and many here aren't sad about that even if Aldridge didn't turn whiny bitch. If the Spurs get the right solution for 2017-18 they'll pull the trigger, otherwise no reason to believe they won't go for a stop gap solution and then go for their 2018 plan. They can't get the right pieces I like to see them dump Aldridge for picks and promising younplayers.

So many bring up '18 cap space, but no one seems to have a plan for what to do with it. The only superstar or star free agent who, at this writing, looks like they could be available, is Cousins and for obvious reasons, I don't see either side having interest. Yeah, they could take on money in trades, but no one is salary dumping a player of that caliber.

Ultimately, they need to nut up and assume some risk because that's the only way they're going to have a chance to win another championship. Whether it's Griffin now (injury history), Millsap (aging, second tier star), Cousins in '18 (volatility), etc. You can pick holes in damn near anyone, but the reality is, prime James or Durant isn't falling in their lap.

[Chinook]

I don't know, depth at the wings is something the Spurs were severely lacking last year and one of those players you just named is a rookie.

The Spurs weren't lack wing depth. They were lacking scoring-guard depth. And BM wouldn't be the best guy to change that. He's still in need of development, and having the three SGs and three SFs on the roster currently makes that unlikely.

[SPURt]

People who want McLemore here are about to jizz their pants

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He shot better than Green did from 3 last season and they had to be tougher shots playing for the Kings. Wouldn't be a bad pickup.

[Mal]

There is no fucking way Spurs getting Paul George with commitment for extension via trade, and also there is no way Spurs getting anybody who will be waived. Only UFAs and whatever crap LMA trade can bring

[TimDunkem]

There is no fucking way Spurs getting Paul George with commitment for extension via trade, and also there is no way Spurs getting anybody who will be waived. Only UFAs and whatever crap LMA trade can bring
Pretty much.

[rastaspur]

Mcclemore would be a good value pick up price considered. Too bad those options at point seem to be non-existent.

[gambit1990]

don't worry guys, we still have next offseason.

[Mal]

don't worry guys, we still have next offseason.

Imagine who can spurs sign with all that cap space

[Hoops Czar]

Imagine who can spurs sign with all that cap space

It's one thing to imagine. It's another to get them to sign here.

[DPG21920]

What about a sneaky play at Otto Porter & Jrue?

[look_at_g_shred]

Who'd y'all prefer...CJ or Klay??

[TimDunkem]

Otto and Jrue love playing for their teams and aren't leaving.

[Joseph Kony]

What about a sneaky play at Otto Porter & Jrue?
:tu to Porter, he would be a great role player for a team with title aspirations

[DPG21920]

Otto and Jrue love playing for their teams and aren't leaving.

I would take that bet...I can see one of them leaving (with Jrue the most likely candidate).

[TimDunkem]

I would take that bet...I can see one of them leaving (with Jrue the most likely candidate).
Don't really see it although it isn't out of the realm of possibility of course. Jrue loves NOLA, and he hasn't gotten a real crack at playing a full season with AD and Boogie yet.

I think he ultimately stays.

[SpursBig3s]

Who'd y'all prefer...CJ or Klay??



Klay x1000

[look_at_g_shred]

Damn I hate that all we have is speculation at this point. I thought the CP news would push the pacers to do something with PG.

[TimDunkem]

I thought the CP news would push the pacers to do something with PG.
Whatever they do, it won't involve the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

Whatever they do, it won't involve the Spurs.

So you pretty much think SA sucks huh :lol So much negativity

[gambit1990]

the only fucking thing the spurs got going for them is that kawhi isn't selfish.

he's in his prime and the highest paid player on the spurs doesn't even want to be on the team, gasol is old, manu is old, tony is busted...

[DPG21920]

Damn I hate that all we have is speculation at this point. I thought the CP news would push the pacers to do something with PG.

PG will be moved in the next 7 days. Lot's for IND to consider. Multiple types of offers (stay a playoff team type offers or reset offers).

LAC it was clear: CP wanted to go to HOU, but kept it private mostly. They move him now.

[TimDunkem]

So you pretty much think SA sucks huh :lol So much negativity
Rarely do you post something so silly. I'm shocked. Obviously, all I said was that any Pacer news won't involve the Spurs. Not sure how that means the Spurs suck.

[DPG21920]

Pretty much.


Otto and Jrue love playing for their teams and aren't leaving.


Whatever they do, it won't involve the Spurs.


Rarely do you post something so silly. I'm shocked. Obviously, all I said was that any Pacer news won't involve the Spurs. Not sure how that means the Spurs suck.

Bruh - all your stuff, involving any idea brought up been mostly negative.

[Nathan89]

PG13 value should be similar to CP3 if the trade partner knew he was going to stay. So whatever Pacers get should be less than what the Clips just got.

[gambit1990]

i'd rather the rockets get PG instead of melo because i'd rather houston win it all than the warriors again.

[TimDunkem]

Bruh - all your stuff, involving any idea brought up been mostly negative.
It's negative to outline likely scenarios? None of those ideas make any sense.

Otto and Jrue aren't likely to bolt.
We can offer nothing to Indiana and, if we do, Boston can come in and make a much better offer.
Others are suggesting silly moves like signing a declining Hill or some other non-factors.

There are other scenarios others have posted that I like much better and/or seem relatively likelier. I'm not always "negative". :lol

[rjv]

So you pretty much think SA sucks huh :lol So much negativity yes, i was starting to wonder if he is ST's official https://media4.giphy.com/media/HFqr78CF5vVXq/200_s.gif

[TimDunkem]

yes, i was starting to wonder if he is ST's official https://media4.giphy.com/media/HFqr78CF5vVXq/200_s.gif
If an idea makes sense, I'll discuss it. If it's ridiculous, I'll shut it down. Most takes here today have been the latter, tbh.

[cjw]

PG13 value should be similar to CP3 if the trade partner knew he was going to stay. So whatever Pacers get should be less than what the Clips just got.

Not true. Paul was a free agent at midnight tonight. He agreed to opt in so they could get something for him.

George is under control till the end of next season. You'll need to pony up more to get him.

[DPG21920]

If an idea makes sense, I'll discuss it. If it's ridiculous, I'll shut it down. Most takes here today have been the latter, tbh.

Do you know me to post ridiculous things? Discussing Jrue is not ridiculous. Plenty of others have written about Jrue to other places. Will it happen? Who knows, but its not ridiculous at al.

[Nathan89]

Not true. Paul was a free agent at midnight tonight. He agreed to opt in so they could get something for him.

George is under control till the end of next season. You'll need to pony up more to get him.

It'll be more if he's definitely going to sign. I suppose any team that makes the trade will be very confident that he'll sign though. My comment is therefore not very relevant and also incorrect because it won't play out in reality.

George be "under control" for another year doesn't really matter though when you know he's going to leave.

[Steve-O-Matic]

He shot better than Green did from 3 last season and they had to be tougher shots playing for the Kings. Wouldn't be a bad pickup.

Wouldn't be a very good one either. To make it in this league as a backup or part of a rotation, you need to have at least one above-average "carrying tool" that you can bring to the table every night. Ben McLemore's 38% 3-point shooting last season isn't nearly high enough to offset the fact that he brings nothing else to the table offensively, and is an underachieving defender (and player overall) with an indifferent attitude. Below-average players on bad teams are not what perennial contenders are looking to import to their roster.

[TimDunkem]

Do you know me to post ridiculous things? Discussing Jrue is not ridiculous. Plenty of others have written about Jrue to other places. Will it happen? Who knows, but its not ridiculous at al.The Jrue part in particular wasn't ridiculous, but I still don't think he leaves NO. And, from what I hear, he doesn't want to.

That's all I said.

[tonight...you]

If an idea makes sense, I'll discuss it. If it's ridiculous, I'll shut it down. Most takes here today have been the latter, tbh.
Nah, you've been in full Pissing-In-Wheaties mode today.
I don't blame you.

[DPG21920]

The Jrue part in particular wasn't ridiculous, but I still don't think he leaves NO. And, from what I hear, he doesn't want to.

That's all I said.

So no to Paul George.

No to George Hill.

No to Jrue.

No to CP3.

I mean, either because you think it's ridiculous (which is debatable) or because you don't want the player (like Hill) you have basically poo-poo'd everything today :lol

You're normally not like that - just thought CP3 to HOU put you in a bad mood or something

[TimDunkem]

Nah, you've been in full Pissing-In-Wheaties mode today.
I don't blame you.
Just stating my opinions. Obviously, I'd love for scenarios like Jrue and others to come true, but I just don't see it. Also, I hate to be overly-optimistic as to not set myself up for disappointment.

It's how I cope, okay? :lmao

[tonight...you]

Just stating my opinions. Obviously, I'd love for scenarios like Jrue and others to come true, but I just don't see it. Also, I hate to be overly-optimistic as to not set myself up for disappointment.

It's how I cope, okay? :lmao
Like I said, I don't blame you.

[TimDunkem]

So no to Paul George.

No to George Hill.

No to Jrue.

No to CP3.

I mean, either because you think it's ridiculous (which is debatable) or because you don't want the player (like Hill) you have basically poo-poo'd everything today :lol

You're normally not like that - just thought CP3 to HOU put you in a bad mood or something
I didn't say no to CP3? I wanted him here. Hill is the only one I've been "overly negative" about for several reasons. I'll give you that.

[tonight...you]

I didn't say no to CP3? I wanted him here. Hill is the only one I've been "overly negative" about for several reasons. I'll give you that.
I wouldn't mind him for 14... nothing over. But that's me probably being unreasonable.

[rastaspur]

These are confusing and perplexing times. My thought process and ideas have been changing with the wind.

Just need to forget about all this shit until July 1 rolls around and then slowly the ducks will be put in a row and this will sort itself out.

Never been this worried and nervous during an offseason. It's not a good look.

[DPG21920]

These are confusing and perplexing times. My thought process and ideas have been changing with the wind.

Just need to forget about all this shit until July 1 rolls around and then slowly the ducks will be put in a row and this will sort itself out.

Never been this worried and nervous during an offseason. It's not a good look.

The thing is it's normal. We were just used to having an anchor in Tim and no need to worry. This is what normal NBA teams are like.

Plus, SA still in good shape, but ya, things change fast in today's nba. Much of the stuff we all discuss is viable but variables change so quickly.

[rastaspur]

I wouldn't mind him for 14... nothing over. But that's me probably being unreasonable.

I think it's a zero chance he signs at that price. I hope that can happen and he'd definitely be worth throwing that figure at him.

[tonight...you]

These are confusing and perplexing times. My thought process and ideas have been changing with the wind.

Just need to forget about all this shit until July 1 rolls around and then slowly the ducks will be put in a row and this will sort itself out.

Never been this worried and nervous during an offseason. It's not a good look.

It's time to break out the Grav Labs Hookah, boss. Time to melt into our furniture. I got some MST3K on (Godzilla Vs Megalon episode)... I'm ready.

[bic50]

What a shitty off-season for the Spurs. Damn can't get nobody :lol

[tonight...you]

I think it's a zero chance he signs at that price. I hope that can happen and he'd definitely be worth throwing that figure at him.
Yeah... I figured I was being unreasonable on that.

[marinoman]

So what's the hope now hill and something else right? We need a. Playmaker

[tonight...you]

What a shitty off-season for the Spurs. Damn can't get nobody :lol
Off-season ain't over bud. Or is it? Am I wrong? Where the hell am I? Why do I have handcuffs on one wrist?

[TimDunkem]

I think it's a zero chance he signs at that price. I hope that can happen and he'd definitely be worth throwing that figure at him.
That's what I'm thinking and exactly why I don't want him. I'd be shocked if Hill comes at any less than $20 Mill.

[rjv]

free agency hasn't even started yet, we aren't aware of what the spurs FO's plans are and we already have some posters declaring the off season a disaster. classic ST.

[rastaspur]

The thing is it's normal. We were just used to having an anchor in Tim and no need to worry. This is what normal NBA teams are like.

Plus, SA still in good shape, but ya, things change fast in today's nba. Much of the stuff we all discuss is viable but variables change so quickly.

We have been spoiled as fans and honestly it's turned alot of us into whiny bitches who expect greatness perpetually.