Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[duncan2150]

Milos Teodosic to the Clippers for 2/12 mill for bad defense, but good shooting and elite playmaking.

Fatty to the Spurs for 4/50 mill for bad defense, decent shooting, and no playmaking.

We agree that Mills contract is bad, the majority of this forum agree but you're not tired to always repeat that ? every day... that's tiring man.

[rastaspur]

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Damn, what a bargain.

Geez. They didn't have to invest much in him.

[Hoops Czar]

Netted us so much in the last 10 years.
Nope, it was talent that won out. Culture had nothing to do with a prime Duncan, Ginobili and Parker.

[NASpurs]

Culture over talent any day!

Dem loyalty contracts will push this franchise to Seattle, smh.

[MaNu4Tres]

Milos for 2/12 would have made 1000x more sense than 4 for 50 for Mills.

Such a piss poor, conservative and expensive play by RC and Pop.

[Hoops Czar]

Milos for 2/12 would have made 1000x more sense than 4 for 50 for Mills.

Such a piss poor, conservative and expensive play by RC and Pop.

[TimDunkem]

We agree that Mills contract is bad, the majority of this forum agree but you're not tired to always repeat that ? every day... that's tiring man.Watching no defense playing chokers get loyalty contracts is more tiresome.

[Chinook]

:rolleyes

[FkLA]

How many pages would this thread have without news from the other 29 NBA teams?


At least two. Imo

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[spursistan]

Mills already got a new nickname to clown his tards in the 2017-2018 season: It is 12:01..

:lmao..What panicky move by PATFO (they could have gotten team option in 4th year..The only front office to guarantee a fourth year to a non-max contract this summer :lol)

It simply boiled down to: they wanted to repay Patty for 2014..

[Dverde]

Patty may not get that deal if TP isn't out for part of next season.

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Damn, what a bargain.
He might be decent, then again he might be another much ballyhooed Šarūnas Jasikevičius.

[TheGreatYacht]

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[Aggie Hoopsfan]

A quarter of the price of Mills. Awful.

[kaji157]

The real thing to be concerned about is that as of today the Spurs have this Backcourt rotation.

Derrick White
DeJounte Murray
Tony Parker
Patty Mills
Manu Ginobili
Danny Green
Jonathon Simmons (Considering we resgin him)


Not a single player that can SERIOUSLY create his shot.
If we were going to go with that, i am notsure why we didn´t even consider Teodosic or Campazzo for a one year contract, or 1+1, both players can create their shot better than all our Guards.

[FkLA]

Mills already got a new nickname to clown his tards in the 2017-2018 season: It is 12:01..

:lmao..What panicky move by PATFO (they could have gotten team option in 4th year..The only front office to guarantee a fourth year to a non-max contract this summer :lol)

It simply boiled down to: they wanted to repay Patty for 2014..

Tbf MVPaddy at $3 mill/yr the past 3 years was arguably the best value in the league. And dont give me this shit about how the Spurs actually did him a favor bc he had to have shoulder surgery that offseason. There have been way worse injuries that haven't completely depleted the value of FAs the way that shoulder surgery did if that were the case (i.e. Mathews, Parsons, etc).

If they're making MVPaddy whole for that sacrifice then so be it. That type of trust players and PATFO have could easily be the reason why we don't lose Kawhi the way other small market teams have lost their centerpieces.

[noles1983]

Do you think the Spurs realize they are fuck ups or that they actually think Mills deserves anywhere near what he got?

[kaji157]

Tbf MVPaddy at $3 mill/yr the past 3 years was arguably the best value in the league. And dont give me this shit about how the Spurs actually did him a favor bc he had to have shoulder surgery that offseason. There have been way worse injuries that haven't completely depleted the value of FAs (i.e. Mathews, Parsons, etc).

If they're making MVPaddy whole for that sacrifice then so be it. That could easily be the reason why we don't lose Kawhi the way other small market teams have lost their centerpieces.

I disagree.
The reason wwe won´t loose Kawhi is because he has already gotten a ring THANKS to this franchise.
Not for one second i think Kawhi can win a ring by himself in todays NBA, it was a product of the Big 3, Pop and the Franchise.

[noles1983]

The real thing to be concerned about is that as of today the Spurs have this Backcourt rotation.

Derrick White
DeJounte Murray
Tony Parker
Patty Mills
Manu Ginobili
Danny Green
Jonathon Simmons (Considering we resgin him)


Not a single player that can SERIOUSLY create his shot.
If we were going to go with that, i am notsure why we didn´t even consider Teodosic or Campazzo for a one year contract, or 1+1, both players can create their shot better than all our Guards.

Reading that list of names just gave me cancer, tbh.

[apalisoc_9]

Milos for 2/12 would have made 1000x more sense than 4 for 50 for Mills.

Such a piss poor, conservative and expensive play by RC and Pop.

Watch Kawhi carry these scrubs only for the narrative to go "Pop and RC so genuis"

TheGreatYacht

:lol

[BatManu20]

Happy 37th to the Spaniard.

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[dabom]

If Popovich can take Kawhi and his group of flotsam and jetsam past the second round again he is truly GOAT coach, all time, all sports.
Lets just give all the credit to pop, faggot. :lmao

[rastaspur]

The teodosic contract has been misreported. I thinks its a one year 12.3 mIL contract with a player option on the second year.

So 12 mil a year and not 6.

[Chinook]

The teodosic contract has been misreported. I thinks its a one year 12.3 mIL contract with a player option on the second year.

So 12 mil a year and not 6.

The Clips can't afford to give him more than the MLE, so it's not $12.3M/1.

[NASpurs]

I still have hope for a guy like Tyreke Evans. I'm sure the Spurs will probably try to sign Motiejunas (of Terrence Jones?) as well to some low, one year contract seeing as Lee and Dedmon are gone.

[rastaspur]

The Clips can't afford to give him more than the MLE, so it's not $12.3M/1.

There are conflicting reports out there. Just heard he is getting 25 mil over 2 seasons with a player option on year 2

[FkLA]

I disagree.
The reason wwe won´t loose Kawhi is because he has already gotten a ring THANKS to this franchise.
Not for one second i think Kawhi can win a ring by himself in todays NBA, it was a product of the Big 3, Pop and the Franchise.

Well yeah that helps too but strong relationships matter a bunch as well. Hayward just left Utah mainly bc of Brad Stevens.

[dabom]

The Spurs revival was because of Kawhi. People should thank their lucky stars we traded for him. :lol

2014 was all Kawhi, Duncan, Manu, Patty and role players. :lol

[Clipper Nation]

The teodosic contract has been misreported. I thinks its a one year 12.3 mIL contract with a player option on the second year.

So 12 mil a year and not 6.


There are conflicting reports out there. Just heard he is getting 25 mil over 2 seasons with a player option on year 2

It's $12.3 mil total.

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[rastaspur]

Jeff zilgitt retracted his statement of 2 years at 12 mil a year on twitter. So yeah, at the rate of 12.3 mIL over two seasons.

[rastaspur]

It's $12.3 mil total.

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Thanks. Zilgitt needs to get his shit together. :lol

[Mal]

What's left for Derrick Rose ? Bucks ? Heat ? Spurs ?

[Dex]

To all you whiny posters in this thread:
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[raybies]

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todays big news for spurs nation...

[NASpurs]

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todays big news for spurs nation...

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[Ocotillo]

If Memphis is really rebuilding, maybe instead of going after Gasol you go after Conley. He is earning something like 28 mill. Get a third team involved as it is unlikely Memphis would give up Conley to have an LMA/Marc Gasol frontline.

[Ocotillo]

^^Of course if you trade for Conley, it only makes sense if you move Parker which is another reason it wouldn't happen.

[jermaine]

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todays big news for spurs nation...

Does this mean Forbes, Green, or Parker is gone?

[Spurs9]

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:lol put all the ball dominant players on the same team

[Dex]

Does this mean Forbes, Green, or Parker is gone?

Doubtful. Probably slated for one of the two-way spots and will spend most of his time in Austin.

[Chinook]

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:lol put all the ball dominant players on the same team

That's queer. Wonder who Portland is giving up and what they're getting.

[FkLA]

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todays big news for spurs nation...

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[GSH]

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Damn, what a bargain.

Yep. And the geniuses here said there was no way he jumps to the NBA - guaranteed. And the real genius who said no one else ever heard of Teodosic.

Not a good defender, but he's a PG who is really a PG. And at a good price, and shorter term.

[spursistan]

Rockets going for the this is going to be fun '13 Lakers model :lol..

[objective]

Hindsight once again. With Pau and Patty, the Spurs were trying to lock down two rotation guys while maximizing cap space. It's similar to what they did with Danny and Kawhi in 2015. Patty gave up potential flexibility to sign a long-term deal. He may have been on the market still, hoping for a Teodosic-level offer, or he could have been offered Redick's deal.

Moving on from Patty and getting rid of Tony would have forced the Spurs to be aggressive in pursuing free-agent PGs this summer. So the talk about these late deals makes little sense, as the Spurs would have been one of those teams fighting to give Lowry $100 Million or Hill $25 Million a year.

The Spurs did four things to address the cap at the end of last season: They got Pau to opt out, gaining several million bucks in potential room; They agreed on a new contract with Mills, locking in a rotation PG for $6.8 Million; they set up a trade with Green; and they set up a trade with LMA. Those four things combine to a max slot, Mills and Pau. Rather than getting too far down the hole the adjust if something went wrong (which is did), they managed to preserve all of next year's space other than Mills' tradeable contract.

The contract they give Pau will be the most interesting thing to watch in terms of their pivot plan at this point.


I should be saying this to you, not the other way around. That you think Mills getting a role-player contract is the same as those other deals shows how far out of touch you are.

Chinook, how is it hindsight or asking Spurs to know the future when there have been people on this board who have been anti-Mills for months? Who have been anti-2007 summer plans for months? Who have been either pro-change (Paul, Hill, Holiday, anyone else) for months, who have been pro-capspace (just let the young guys play and roll it over!) for months?

And I don't know why you think retelling what's happened is some sort of compelling argument.

"See, what the Spurs wanted to do was re-sign Mills and Pau and so that's what they did!"

It's obvious what they've done, we can all see and read what they've done, people are discussing the merits of it. When you come in with your "hindsight" and "know the future" and "out of touch" schtick, you are trying to shut down discussion of ideas, consequences, the future, and possibilities instead of actually making an argument.

[Joseph Kony]

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todays big news for spurs nation...

Sweet. Might as well give us the trophy now. Biggest signing of the summer tbh

[TheDoctor]

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:lol put all the ball dominant players on the same team
Honestly I want to see that clusterfuck already. It may work but if not? The meltdowns @ Cluchfans will be glorious :lol

[jermaine]

Doubtful. Probably slated for one of the two-way spots and will spend most of his time in Austin.

Murray an Blossomgame will be in Austin.... especially if he have anotha gm like last night. 0 for 13!!

[Mr. Body]

Chris Paul in Houston made little sense, now Carmello there is insane.

[Chinook]

Chinook, how is it hindsight or asking Spurs to know the future when there have been people on this board who have been anti-Mills for months? Who have been either pro-change (Paul, Hill, Holiday, anyone else) for months, who have been pro-capspace (just let the young guys play and roll it over!) for months?

Who gives a flying fuck if people here were anti-Mills or not? The Spurs had no idea what the PG market was going to look like and really couldn't wait to find out. They knew they could get Mills for $6.8 Million and built their plan around that. Bitching about what Hill and Tedosic are marking is total hindsight-driven pieces of bullshit. It has nothing to do with whether you wanted Mills back or not. I didn't want him back, especially not at 12:01, but I get it. There were even scenarios where I would have been fine with bringing Patty back, but that's not the point. Wanting Teague, Lowry, Paul or Hill instead of Patty is fine. Bitching about the Spurs not knowing Hill's market was going to evaporate isn't.


And I don't know why you think retelling what's happened is some sort of compelling argument.

"See, what the Spurs wanted to do was re-sign Mills and Pau and so that's what they did!"

Your issue is you think I'm defending re-signing Mills in and of itself. I'm not. Especially after drafting White, I don't believe they needed to secure Patty if their plan was to go after Paul. But folks like you seem to fundamentally not understand what the Spurs did and why. And you all want to act like the Spurs would have been waiting patiently on 7/4 with no PGs on the roster besides Murray and trying to leverage players into signing cheap deals. That was not going to be the case.


It's obvious what they've done, we can all see and read what they've done, people are discussing the merits of it. When you come in with your "hindsight" and "know the future" and "out of touch" schtick, you are trying to shut down discussion of ideas, consequences, the future, and possibilities instead of actually making an argument.

Lol, if you think the bitching about Patty and the unreasonable comparisons to contracts like Hill and Tedosic is a discussion, you must talk about very little. It's just complaining over and over again. I have done nothing to stop it. Me rejecting what I believe is unreasonable criticism doesn't prevent you from typing it (obviously). That the Spurs felt like keeping Mills was a priority is definitely questionable. But why they gave him a deal at 12:01 is not. If you accept the first argument, you have no reason to question the second. IF you reject the first, the second is irrelevant.

[Dex]

Murray an Blossomgame will be in Austin.... especially if he have anotha gm like last night. 0 for 13!!

Blossomgame, yes. I still don't think Murray gets yanked unless he continues to suck come the start of the season...but it's not impossible that White earns his spot in the rotation if he shows to be the more steady player.

Keep in mind that even Tim Duncan didn't look great in his summer league.

I think part of the problem with Murray is that he is trying to be a facilitator, which is much harder to do with a summer league team full of stiffs running no identifiable system than it would be with NBA-level talent running the Spurs sets.

[kaji157]

Are we interested in improving at all?

Maybe the FO knows that DeJounte will turn into Kawhi 2.0, Derrick White becomes a reliable backup, Simmons becomes Peak Ginobili, Aldridge regains his allstar form and Mills + Parker expiring becomes a very good trade asset for us to get a 3rd or 4th Allstar.

We can only hope to be all wrong.

[TheGreatYacht]

Are we interested in improving at all?

Maybe the FO knows that DeJounte will turn into Kawhi 2.0, Derrick White becomes a reliable backup, Simmons becomes Peak Ginobili, Aldridge regains his allstar form and Mills + Parker expiring becomes a very good trade asset for us to get a 3rd or 4th Allstar.

We can only hope to be all wrong.
Simmons is already better than Peak Manure

[TheDoctor]

"Who has the bigger balls" argument coming up, stay tuned fellas.

[Clipper Nation]

Chris Paul in Houston made little sense, now Carmello there is insane.
Yep. That team is going to be a mess. I could have maybe seen Choke-P and Frauden finding a way to make it work together, but add in that ballhog Melo to play for a coach he hates and got fired in NY and it's a recipe for disaster.

[Russ]

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Melo, Harden and CP3 -- head case heaven.

[TheGreatYacht]

That would all but guarantee Lebron is headed that way

[GSH]

Who gives a flying fuck if people here were anti-Mills or not? The Spurs had no idea what the PG market was going to look like and really couldn't wait to find out. They knew they could get Mills for $6.8 Million and built their plan around that. Bitching about what Hill and Tedosic are marking is total hindsight-driven pieces of bullshit. It has nothing to do with whether you wanted Mills back or not. I didn't want him back, especially not at 12:01, but I get it. There were even scenarios where I would have been fine with bringing Patty back, but that's not the point. Wanting Teague, Lowry, Paul or Hill instead of Patty is fine. Bitching about the Spurs not knowing Hill's market was going to evaporate isn't.



Your issue is you think I'm defending re-signing Mills in and of itself. I'm not. Especially after drafting White, I don't believe they needed to secure Patty if their plan was to go after Paul. But folks like you seem to fundamentally not understand what the Spurs did and why. And you all want to act like the Spurs would have been waiting patiently on 7/4 with no PGs on the roster besides Murray and trying to leverage players into signing cheap deals. That was not going to be the case.



Lol, if you think the bitching about Patty and the unreasonable comparisons to contracts like Hill and Tedosic is a discussion, you must talk about very little. It's just complaining over and over again. I have done nothing to stop it. Me rejecting unreasonable what I believe is criticism doesn't prevent you from typing it (obviously). That the Spurs felt like keeping Mills was a priority is definitely questionable. But why they gave him a deal at 12:01 is not. If you accept the first argument, you have no reason to question the second. IF you reject the first, the second is irrelevant.

I was calling from the start for the Spurs to sign Teodosic. I said it would take 2/$16M, and it's pretty clear that would have been more than enough to get it done. They could have waived Tony, stretched, and cleared $10M this season - enough to pay Teo, and have a couple of million left over to add to the hunt for another player. Actually, $4.5M difference between that and signing Mills to the contract they gave him. That's $4.5M in addition to whatever they have right now to pursue additions.

And there's no hindsight there. I said all of that from almost the time the last regular season was over. Teo is probably as good a defender as Mills, and MUCH better PG. (Most say he was the best PG in Europe - definitely one of the top 3.) With Murray and now White, they would have been good enough at PG from the season opener, and they could have focused on shoring up elsewhere.

SA was one place Teodosic wanted to come. Last year Bourousis wanted to come to SA. This team could be a whole lot better than it is. They're clinging onto the husks of the old Big 3. Admirable, but it doesn't make them the best team they could have been.

[Dex]

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Insubordinate...and churlish!

[Leetonidas]

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Insubordinate...and churlish!
Damn this scrub just got paid 30 million and he tips 14 bucks? Guess he was asserting his will on that check

[dabom]

On reddit he said he bought a bottle with no service. Literally all he did. I wouldn't mind. 2 minutes of work.

[Dex]

On reddit he said he bought a bottle with no service. Literally all he did. I wouldn't mind. 2 minutes of work.

Understandable if that's the case. The article makes it sound like it was 12 of them ordering $500 worth of drinks. #fakenews

[Chinook]

I was calling from the start for the Spurs to sign Teodosic. I said it would take 2/$16M, and it's pretty clear that would have been more than enough to get it done. They could have waived Tony, stretched, and cleared $10M this season - enough to pay Teo, and have a couple of million left over to add to the hunt for another player. Actually, $4.5M difference between that and signing Mills to the contract they gave him. That's $4.5M in addition to whatever they have right now to pursue additions.

And there's no hindsight there. I said all of that from almost the time the last regular season was over. Teo is probably as good a defender as Mills, and MUCH better PG. (Most say he was the best PG in Europe - definitely one of the top 3.) With Murray and now White, they would have been good enough at PG from the season opener, and they could have focused on shoring up elsewhere.

SA was one place Teodosic wanted to come. Last year Bourousis wanted to come to SA. This team could be a whole lot better than it is. They're clinging onto the husks of the old Big 3. Admirable, but it doesn't make them the best team they could have been.

Yes, and I wanted Lowry (for $100M/4) then pivoted to Teague. I even said in the Teodosic thread that Apa made a few weeks ago that I would have been interested in Teodosic for the MLE. So him for what he got seems like a great deal. And I wish the team hadn't committed so many spots to PG, or else I would have wanted him even after Patty was signed. I don't think were hindsighting at all wanting Teodosic. But if you were to say that PATFO should have known Teodosic was going to make so little, I would have not believed you.

I don't think anyone can read my post history and think I am in favor of keeping Parker and Manu. I caught flak from both of those "churches" over how adamant I have been about moving on. I agree with you that the team should have and could have improved beyond where they are had PATFO been willing to make tough decisions. And it certainly hasn't sat well with me that Green and LMA were being shopped while Parker remained untouchable. But I understand that in scenarios like we're seeing now, it probably doesn't make sense to pay to move Tony anymore. It's still worth it to let Manu walk, though.

[TD 21]

Who gives a flying fuck if people here were anti-Mills or not? The Spurs had no idea what the PG market was going to look like and really couldn't wait to find out. They knew they could get Mills for $6.8 Million and built their plan around that. Bitching about what Hill and Tedosic are marking is total hindsight-driven pieces of bullshit. It has nothing to do with whether you wanted Mills back or not. I didn't want him back, especially not at 12:01, but I get it. There were even scenarios where I would have been fine with bringing Patty back, but that's not the point. Wanting Teague, Lowry, Paul or Hill instead of Patty is fine. Bitching about the Spurs not knowing Hill's market was going to evaporate isn't.



Your issue is you think I'm defending re-signing Mills in and of itself. I'm not. Especially after drafting White, I don't believe they needed to secure Patty if their plan was to go after Paul. But folks like you seem to fundamentally not understand what the Spurs did and why. And you all want to act like the Spurs would have been waiting patiently on 7/4 with no PGs on the roster besides Murray and trying to leverage players into signing cheap deals. That was not going to be the case.



Lol, if you think the bitching about Patty and the unreasonable comparisons to contracts like Hill and Tedosic is a discussion, you must talk about very little. It's just complaining over and over again. I have done nothing to stop it. Me rejecting what I believe is unreasonable criticism doesn't prevent you from typing it (obviously). That the Spurs felt like keeping Mills was a priority is definitely questionable. But why they gave him a deal at 12:01 is not. If you accept the first argument, you have no reason to question the second. IF you reject the first, the second is irrelevant.

Bullshit. I said all season that Hill would end up in the high teens - $20M, just like I said Mills would be back for close to what he got. PG and C are the most saturated positions in the league and there's not as much cap space as the 2 previous off seasons. Teams not named Spurs also seem to have learned from rushing to sign role players at 12:01 am on July 1st and setting the market, as opposed to waiting.

They should have known they were not going to be shut out from getting a high end backup to low end starter and they should have been comfortable enough with multiple options instead of prioritizing their precious culture.

You can spin all you want, the bottom line is they blew it and will be hard pressed to win so much as a single round next season. The Clippers, they of the supposedly incompetent front office and next to no assets and flexibility, managed to lose a clear top 10 player and still might be better.

[GSH]

On reddit he said he bought a bottle with no service. Literally all he did. I wouldn't mind. 2 minutes of work.


Heh. Funny how the whole story changes things. Fourteen bucks to hand over a bottle and they bitch.

[I. Hustle]

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Melo, Harden and CP3 -- head case heaven.

NY bout to drop the big $$$$ for Juice

[GSH]

Yes, and I wanted Lowry (for $100M/4) then pivoted to Teague. I even said in the Teodosic thread that Apa made a few weeks ago that I would have been interested in Teodosic for the MLE. So him for what he got seems like a great deal. And I wish the team hadn't committed so many spots to PG, or else I would have wanted him even after Patty was signed. I don't think were hindsighting at all wanting Teodosic. But if you were to say that PATFO should have known Teodosic was going to make so little, I would have not believed you.

I don't think anyone can read my post history and think I am in favor of keeping Parker and Manu. I caught flak from both of those "churches" over how adamant I have been about moving on. I agree with you that the team should have and could have improved beyond where they are had PATFO been willing to make tough decisions. And it certainly hasn't sat well with me that Green and LMA were being shopped while Parker remained untouchable. But I understand that in scenarios like we're seeing now, it probably doesn't make sense to pay to move Tony anymore. It's still worth it to let Manu walk, though.


I'm not arguing any of that other crap. That's between you two. But I knew what Teo was getting offered to stay. PATFO should have too.

[Chinook]

I'm not arguing any of that other crap. That's between you two. But knew what Teo was getting offered to stay. PATFO should have too.

He was being offered the equivalent of $12 Million a season for six seasons. That's six times the guaranteed money as he got from LAC. I could see PAFTO balking at matching his CSKA offer if they weren't entire convinced he was going to translate well.

[Big Empty]

whats does PATFO mean? I see it in every thread

[GSH]

He was being offered the equivalent of $12 Million a season for six seasons. That's six times the guaranteed money as he got from LAC. I could see PAFTO balking at matching his CSKA offer if they weren't entire convinced he was going to translate well.

Nope. Sorry, I don't know where that came from, but no. And I said $8M per for a reason.

[Dex]

whats does PATFO mean? I see it in every thread

Pop And The Front Office

[cd98]

Happy 37th to the Spaniard.

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Whew, I thought this would read 3 years at 10 million.

[I. Hustle]

whats does PATFO mean? I see it in every thread

Penis Attacking Triflin' Females Organization

[Chinook]

Nope. Sorry, I don't know where that came from, but no. And I said $8M per for a reason.

And I guess you ended up being right. It wasn't even clear today, though, that Teodosic was going to take that little. I'm actually surprised he did, but I guess he's really betting on himself.

[Chinook]

Bullshit. I said all season that Hill would end up in the high teens - $20M, just like I said Mills would be back for close to what he got. PG and C are the most saturated positions in the league and there's not as much cap space as the 2 previous off seasons. Teams not named Spurs also seem to have learned from rushing to sign role players at 12:01 am on July 1st and setting the market, as opposed to waiting.

Teams agree with players at 12:01 all the time. That's not new when it comes to teams with their own players, because they can legally negotiate with them. I will give you that you have been saying that Hill was a $20ish-Million man this off-season. If the Spurs wanted him back, then they could have gotten him. Though at the same time, I have yet to figure out what they did want, if it were Paul or bust or if guys like Hayward rejected even having a meeting with them. I do think they thought that Mills and whomever they wanted for a combined $38-40M in cap space was better than Hill and another $20-Million player, though.


They should have known they were not going to be shut out from getting a high end backup to low end starter and they should have been comfortable enough with multiple options instead of prioritizing their precious culture.

Teodosic is the first player who projects to be as good or better than Patty who's gone for less in cap space than Mills' hold took up. It took five days for the market to drop this low, and now it's Rose and an abyss at PG.


You can spin all you want, the bottom line is they blew it and will be hard pressed to win so much as a single round next season. The Clippers, they of the supposedly incompetent front office and next to no assets and flexibility, managed to lose a clear top 10 player and still might be better.

Heh, the Spurs will be fine. They're not losing to any of these guys in the first round unless Kawhi gets hurt.

[RiverwalkParade]

Thinking Mills deal might be paired with Danny and LMA for a big midseason deal. Conley and Gasol work. Might be time to tear it down in Memphis

[Dex]

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[vy65]

Teodosic is the first player who projects to be as good or better than Patty who's gone for less in cap space than Mills' hold took up. It took five days for the market to drop this low, and now it's Rose and an abyss at PG.

Honest question: why does Patty's 6.8MM cap hold matter if a) it's only for this year and b) the spurs weren't able to parlay that into a max player? I just don't see the significance of it considering the spurs haven't reached an agreement with anyone else?

[Emperor]

whats does PATFO mean? I see it in every thread

Pop And The Failing Office.

[mo7888]

Chris Paul in Houston made little sense, now Carmello there is insane.


Thinking Mills deal might be paired with Danny and LMA for a big midseason deal. Conley and Gasol work. Might be time to tear it down in Memphis

I don't think that's the plan at all but, if Tony doesn't look like he will be able to play again maybe we could package him +mills+lma for Conley and Gasol? It would give them a kit of cap space (which is becoming more valuable). Like I said, I don't think that's the plan but who knows...

[RD2191]

Spur fan down playing the Rockets moves. Spurs are fucked if they land Melo. Spurs ain't beating CP3/Harden/Melo. And idgaf about "ball dominant" players, they'll make it work somehow.

[TimDunkem]

Spur fan down playing the Rockets moves. Spurs are fucked if they land Melo. Spurs ain't beating CP3/Harden/Melo. And idgaf about "ball dominant" players, they'll make it work somehow.Some here are delusional. All he has to be is Olympic Melo. :lol

[vy65]

^^ Spoiled spurs fans. Should be content with making a playoff appearance regardless of getting raw-dogged by the Clipps or Rockets in round one

[Brazil]

whats does PATFO mean? I see it in every thread

:lol wtf?

u new here ?

[Chinook]

Honest question: why does Patty's 6.8MM cap hold matter if a) it's only for this year and b) the spurs weren't able to parlay that into a max player? I just don't see the significance of it considering the spurs haven't reached an agreement with anyone else?

The Spurs didn't know they weren't going to sign a max player when they gave Mills his deal. In that same way, they didn't know they were going to miss out on a max player when they asked Pau to opt out. Those are things they did before free agency. It would be like saving up to buy concert tickets only for them to sell out before you could get one. Sure, someone could say you were dumb to save up if you didn't get what you want, but that's hindsight.

[TimDunkem]

Also, don't know if this was posted yet, but...
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GS still not standing pat while PATFO likes the team we have against last year's iteration of the Golden Showers. :lol

[Spurs9]

whats does PATFO mean? I see it in every thread

Paddy and the front office

[bic50]

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Wow

[RD2191]

Some here are delusional. All he has to be is Olympic Melo. :lol

Imagine if the Spurs added CP3 and Melo? People here would be calling for 3-peats. :lol

[Big Empty]

:lol wtf?

u new here ?
HA I'm not but ive never known it meant that lol

[TimDunkem]

Imagine if the Spurs added CP3 and Melo? People here would be calling for 3-peats. :lol
Every player in the league is shit until they join the Spurs, apparently. :lol

[Big Empty]

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We might as well try to trade for Melo if this is the case. Simmons is young but will never be able to shoot

[Chinook]

If you were going on $12M per fir six seasons, I would agree with your assessment 100%. I felt pretty good about my number, but I've been wrong enough times not to get too cocky.

I really thought they could get him for a lot less than they paid Mills. I was also pretty certain they could have gotten Bourousis last yea, and at a good price comparitivelyr. And I still think it was a mistake not to sign both.

It wasn't just the CSKA offer. There were rumors at a number of NBA teams offering him an APY in that range. Someone "reported" on Twitter just today that Teodosic's deal was $25M/2. I knew that was wrong since it was from the Clippers, but it just goes to show that there was a lot of belief that he was going to get more, but that's been the theme of the off-season.

Considering how Gasol has worked out, I would be interested in knowing how Bourousis would have worked out and how much it would have taken to sign him. I remember us all talking about how the Spurs should run to the international market to try to avoid the crazy salaries last year. I really wish they had, and it's really odd that they've only seemed to have become more domestic in recent years.

[vy65]

The Spurs didn't know they weren't going to sign a max player when they gave Mills his deal. In that same way, they didn't know they were going to miss out on a max player when they asked Pau to opt out. Those are things they did before free agency. It would be like saving up to buy concert tickets only for them to sell out before you could get one. Sure, someone could say you were dumb to save up if you didn't get what you want, but that's hindsight.

But that didn't really answer my question. You keep emphasizing the 6.8MM figure for this year -- but it only matters for purposes of more cap space for this year only, right? I'm pointing this out because the length of the contract is almost worse than the amount per year.

And I don't know if I buy the hindsight argument. I don't buy that the Spurs would have had no clue whether a max free agent would commit to them until 12:01am. Like LMA, there surely had to be back-channel talks. Plus, they knew CP3 was off the marker before they committed to Patty. All of which negates the hindsight narrative.

[dabom]

Paddy and the front office
https://media.giphy.com/media/l0Iy1xLvPTO2Dyv5K/giphy.gif

[RD2191]

Every player in the league is shit until they join the Spurs, apparently. :lol

:lmao so true

[RD2191]

Paddy and the front office

That's a good one. :lmao

[Spurs9]

Figured the Knicks would try to max a player like Simmons :lol

[cd98]

Figured the Knicks would try to max a player like Simmons :lol

Yes, he's 28 and mostly inconsistent. It wouldn't kill the Spurs, but they have no one to fill his role. That said, if the Spurs can conserve cap space next year, they will be power players.

[Dex]

Every player in the league is shit until they join the Spurs, apparently. :lol

And they are perfect fits when they have interest, but as soon as they go elsewhere they are useless and cancerous.

[Brazil]

HA I'm not but ive never known it meant that lol

:lol

for me it's like somebody asking what tbh means tbh...

[TimDunkem]

Yes, he's 28 and mostly inconsistent. It wouldn't kill the Spurs, but they have no one to fill his role. That said, if the Spurs can conserve cap space next year, they will be power players.
Spurs power players in free agency? They had to convince LMA:lol not to choose a shitty Phoenix team over them, ffs. :lmao

[Chinook]

But that didn't really answer my question. You keep emphasizing the 6.8MM figure for this year -- but it only matters for purposes of more cap space for this year only, right? I'm pointing this out because the length of the contract is almost worse than the amount per year.

They weren't concerned with future cap space when they made those move (at least, they were concerned with absolutely maximizing it). Mills' hold only mattered because after this season, they would not have been in good position to get under the cap again had they used their cap space on a max guy. Bertans, Simmons and Anderson were due for raises. Kawhi was eligible for a supermax the year after that. Parker wasn't signing for the min. The Spurs made those moves to open up a max slot this season. That they missed out sucks, but even with Mills on the roster, they should have a max slot next summer too if they are smart with Pau.


And I don't know if I buy the hindsight argument. I don't buy that the Spurs would have had no clue whether a max free agent would commit to them until 12:01am. Like LMA, there surely had to be back-channel talks.

The Spurs didn't even know LMA was going to sign until right before he did. Dude made them have a second meeting to make sure they were going to give him enough touches. I think they knew he was willing, but I don't think it was certain. If anything, I think Gasol was more certain. The Spurs have gone for a missed out on plenty of FAs over the years. Just look at the ones this year as an example of how successful they usually are.


Plus, they knew CP3 was off the marker before they committed to Patty. All of which negates the hindsight narrative.

They knew CP wasn't coming before they inked the deal. They didn't know that before they sat down with Patty and agreed to a deal. One of the big unanswered questions is what their actual target list looked like. The other big one is what Mills would have gotten on the open market. We know there was someone in his tier who got less, but we don't know if he would have gotten even less than that. I really do think he was going to be Philly's top target. $23 Million over a single year plus a MLE deal after that would have given him as much as he had locked in with SA. It's not clear he didn't leave money on the table himself.

[TD 21]

Teams agree with players at 12:01 all the time. That's not new when it comes to teams with their own players, because they can legally negotiate with them. I will give you that you have been saying that Hill was a $20ish-Million man this off-season. If the Spurs wanted him back, then they could have gotten him. Though at the same time, I have yet to figure out what they did want, if it were Paul or bust or if guys like Hayward rejected even having a meeting with them. I do think they thought that Mills and whomever they wanted for a combined $38-40M in cap space was better than Hill and another $20-Million player, though.



Teodosic is the first player who projects to be as good or better than Patty who's gone for less in cap space than Mills' hold took up. It took five days for the market to drop this low, and now it's Rose and an abyss at PG.



Heh, the Spurs will be fine. They're not losing to any of these guys in the first round unless Kawhi gets hurt.

I know, but in a case like this, there should have been no rush.

I know you love salary cap minutia, but there are ways around a lot of different things, if you're aggressive, creative and both sides want it.

It took Leonard playing at a historic level and Parker turning back the clock to barely fend off a Grizzlies team without a single starting wing or competent backup point guard. Whoever they get next season is likely to be considerably more talented. They're absolutely at risk of losing . . . and going into Leonard's final season under contract with potentially significant cap space, but no star (that they'd have the balls to pursue, at least) to spend it on.

Even though I knew they'd mostly run it back, it's still somewhat surprising considering Pop's clear displeasure (it was beyond his usual shit) last season and the ever evolving landscape of the league.

[Clipper Nation]

Some here are delusional. All he has to be is Olympic Melo. :lol
:lol Melo will still have to go up against NBA players. Not the likes of Angola, Lithuania, and Tunisia.

[TimDunkem]

:lol Melo will still have to go up against NBA players. Not the likes of Angola, Lithuania, and Tunisia.
He doesn't necessarily have to play hero ball with Harden and CP3 on his team though.

[cd98]

Spurs power players in free agency? They had to convince LMA:lol not to choose a shitty Phoenix team over them, ffs. :lmao

Yes, but so many teams are over the cap and signed players they can't get rid of, that if they hold the course, they'll have the cap space plus a superstar. Give me something after this uneventful offseason.

[Chinook]

I know, but in a case like this, there should have been no rush.

I guess it depends on what you mean. I agree that Mills was not the right guy to lock in if you were Paul or bust. But I do think that provided you did think Mills was a keeper, locking him in without letting him test the market was smart. I really do think Philly would have given him a fair bit of coin instead of Redick.


I know you love salary cap minutia, but there are ways around a lot of different things, if you're aggressive, creative and both sides want it.

There are different ways to get space and work deals. I've said repeatedly that I don't like the path the Spurs chose, and I'm pretty happy it failed. If they are smart and only give Pau a one-year deal, I'll think this off-season was okay and could have been worse.


It took Leonard playing at a history level and Parker turning back the clock to barely fend off a Grizzlies team without a single starting wing or competent backup point guard. Whoever they get next season is likely to be considerably more talented. They're absolutely at risk of losing . . . and going into Leonard's final season under contract with potentially significant cap space, but no star (that they'd have the balls to pursue, at least) to spend it on.

Eh, the Grizzlies were luckier to win their second game than the Spurs were to win their fourth. I certainly want them to find another scorer to bolster the bench, but they weren't really in any danger of losing that series, and they would have done much the same against any team other than GS.


Even though I knew they'd mostly run it back, it's still somewhat surprising considering Pop's clear displeasure (it was beyond his usual shit) last season and the ever evolving landscape of the league.

I don't think Pop was going to change for change's sake. I do hope he fixes his scheme, though. We don't know his plan for the rest of his rotation yet. They are obviously going to sign front-court guys.

[Clipper Nation]

He doesn't necessarily have to play hero ball with Harden and CP3 on his team though.
And Porker has never needed to play heroball with Duncan, Manu and Kawhi, but when has that ever stopped him? Heroball usually isn't about need, it's about a player's massive ego and overrating of their own skills.

[RD2191]

:lol Melo will still have to go up against NBA players. Not the likes of Angola, Lithuania, and Tunisia.

There's only one Kawhi on the Spurs. Harden/Melo could ISO us to death by attacking our shitty starting lineup sans Kawhi.

[vy65]

They weren't concerned with future cap space when they made those move (at least, they were concerned with absolutely maximizing it). Mills' hold only mattered because after this season, they would not have been in good position to get under the cap again had they used their cap space on a max guy. Bertans, Simmons and Anderson were due for raises. Kawhi was eligible for a supermax the year after that. Parker wasn't signing for the min. The Spurs made those moves to open up a max slot this season. That they missed out sucks, but even with Mills on the roster, they should have a max slot next summer too if they are smart with Pau.

Don't you think their lack of concern about future cap space to sign up patty for long term $$ is pretty fucking stupid? I get that that's what they did -- my point is that it was a stupid move. Emphasizing the $6.8MM figure could respond to my concern, if it wasn't just for this year.

All of this begs the question: if you whiff on a max player, why knee-jerk sign Patty for an atrocious deal at 12:01am. Doesn't that seem like terrible planning and negotiating?


The Spurs didn't even know LMA was going to sign until right before he did. Dude made them have a second meeting to make sure they were going to give him enough touches. I think they knew he was willing, but I don't think it was certain. If anything, I think Gasol was more certain. The Spurs have gone for a missed out on plenty of FAs over the years. Just look at the ones this year as an example of how successful they usually are.

We'll agree to disagree on that. I'm fairly certain that the Spurs knew long before LMA signed that he was going to/most likely was going to sign. There doesn't seem to be any indication that a max player was batting his lashes at the spurs this season a la what happened with LMA in 2015. All of which is to say, opening up max room this year was unnecessary, especially after the CP3 trade

Again, I think you're making the spurs seem less tuned-in to what players were going to do than they actually are.


They knew CP wasn't coming before they inked the deal. They didn't know that before they sat down with Patty and agreed to a deal. One of the big unanswered questions is what their actual target list looked like. The other big one is what Mills would have gotten on the open market. We know there was someone in his tier who got less, but we don't know if he would have gotten even less than that. I really do think he was going to be Philly's top target. $23 Million over a single year plus a MLE deal after that would have given him as much as he had locked in with SA. It's not clear he didn't leave money on the table himself.

Disagree. Beverley said that the CP3 trade had been known for two weeks prior to its completion. That would mean that the spurs should have known CP3 wasn't coming more than two weeks before 12:01am happened. They had an ample window to negotiate Patty's deal (within those two weeks). Or, if it had been agreed to long before June, then that's an even more damning criticism of PATFO's approach to this off-season -- committing long term money to a player without even bothering to gauge what the market for said player is.

[TimDunkem]

And Porker has never needed to play heroball with Duncan, Manu and Kawhi, but when has that ever stopped him? Heroball usually isn't about need, it's about a player's massive ego and overrating of their own skills.
:lol True but no one one the Spurs has the balls to tell Porker to sit his ass down except maybe Pop. I can see CP3 turning on that fuck Melo in a second if he continues his antics. We'll see though, but I'm not going to argue that they're a worse team now like some Spurs fans here.

[vy65]

I guess it depends on what you mean. I agree that Mills was not the right guy to lock in if you were Paul or bust. But I do think that provided you did think Mills was a keeper, locking him in without letting him test the market was smart. I really do think Philly would have given him a fair bit of coin instead of Redick.

This is probably the crux of our disagreement. Locking Patty in without letting him test the market is not good negotiation because it leads to egregiously over-paying for a player. Like what we did with Patty.

Yes, the possibility of a Philly to-good-to-be-true offer is there. In that situation, you cut your losses and let the guy walk. The better approach is to have your Patty alternative lined up and if the guy is intent on signing a ridiculous offer, you let him walk and roll with the alternative. There may be some draw-backs to rolling with your option B, but those draw-backs aren't as severe as knee-jerk overpaying for a mediocre-at-best player for the long term.

[bklynspursfan]

And Porker has never needed to play heroball with Duncan, Manu and Kawhi, but when has that ever stopped him? Heroball usually isn't about need, it's about a player's massive ego and overrating of their own skills.

Who's Porker?

[Clipper Nation]

:lol True but no one one the Spurs has the balls to tell Porker to sit his ass down except maybe Pop. I can see CP3 turning on that fuck Melo in a second if he continues his antics. We'll see though, but I'm not going to argue that they're a worse team now like some Spurs fans here.
Choke-P is going to hate Melo's chucking until the playoffs arrive and he needs a scapegoat, tbh. In the postseason, he'll let Melo chuck to his heart's content and get all the blame for their playoff flameout. Same story as Jamal in LA.

[I. Hustle]

Choke-P? That's a HORRIBLE attempt at a nickname

[Chinook]

Don't you think their lack of concern about future cap space to sign up patty for long term $$ is pretty fucking stupid? I get that that's what they did -- my point is that it was a stupid move. Emphasizing the $6.8MM figure could respond to my concern, if it wasn't just for this year.

All of this begs the question: if you whiff on a max player, why knee-jerk sign Patty for an atrocious deal at 12:01am. Doesn't that seem like terrible planning and negotiating?

The Spurs have a max slot with Patty's deal next year. They didn't need to penny-pinch. If they are now going to run with Murray/Mills/White at PG, they can do so just fine without feeling like their cap is wasted. It was much more critical to get cap space this year for reasons that I'm sure are obvious.


We'll agree to disagree on that. I'm fairly certain that the Spurs knew long before LMA signed that he was going to/most likely was going to sign. There doesn't seem to be any indication that a max player was batting his lashes at the spurs this season a la what happened with LMA in 2015. All of which is to say, opening up max room this year was unnecessary, especially after the CP3 trade

Again, I think you're making the spurs seem less tuned-in to what players were going to do than they actually are

We can disagree or whatever, but if you actually remember what happened, you'd know that he totally didn't agree beforehand. I'm sure the Spurs knew he was going to take their meeting, but they had to work hard to get him to sign up. That's why teams meet with players in the first place. If everyone knew beforehand, those meetings wouldn't happen.


Disagree. Beverley said that the CP3 trade had been known for two weeks prior to its completion. That would mean that the spurs should have known CP3 wasn't coming more than two weeks before 12:01am happened. They had an ample window to negotiate Patty's deal (within those two weeks). Or, if it had been agreed to long before June, then that's an even more damning criticism of PATFO's approach to this off-season -- committing long term money to a player without even bothering to gauge what the market for said player is.

They had no reason to believe a PG of note would sign for less than $6.8 Million. No one did. I don't know if they think they got a starting PG for that price or a backup. But it was pretty obvious they liked his cap number and wanted to lock it into their equations, which they could only do with a deal in hand. Again, though, we don't know Mills' market was less than what he got. If they wanted him, they may well have saved actual dollars by signing him early.

[I. Hustle]

Who's Porker?

MVPorker

[coachmac87]

Am I missing something or is Melo really heading to Houston??

[Chinook]

This is probably the crux of our disagreement. Locking Patty in without letting him test the market is not good negotiation because it leads to egregiously over-paying for a player. Like what we did with Patty.

Yes, the possibility of a Philly to-good-to-be-true offer is there. In that situation, you cut your losses and let the guy walk. The better approach is to have your Patty alternative lined up and if the guy is intent on signing a ridiculous offer, you let him walk and roll with the alternative. There may be some draw-backs to rolling with your option B, but those draw-backs aren't as severe as knee-jerk overpaying for a mediocre-at-best player for the long term.

I don't think Mills' deal is nearly as bad as some people do. It will totally depend on how they use him and how he responds to that use. There are things Patty can do in an offense that not many of the guards on the market could, and those are things I want the Spurs to bring back. If Pop thinks he can make sets that work with Patty's strengths (speed and a quick release on jumpers), then I think it could be a decent contract. If they just intend for him to stand off the ball and chuck shots, it's much less appealing.

[I. Hustle]

Am I missing something or is Melo really heading to Houston??

You're missing something

[DPG21920]

Pretty wild that even though now is the time you can hear about signings & trades it's still so quiet on the Spurs front. They have guys they need to replace, even if the plan is to run back mostly the same team.

[TD 21]

I guess it depends on what you mean. I agree that Mills was not the right guy to lock in if you were Paul or bust. But I do think that provided you did think Mills was a keeper, locking him in without letting him test the market was smart. I really do think Philly would have given him a fair bit of coin instead of Redick.



There are different ways to get space and work deals. I've said repeatedly that I don't like the path the Spurs chose, and I'm pretty happy it failed. If they are smart and only give Pau a one-year deal, I'll think this off-season was okay and could have been worse.



Eh, the Grizzlies were luckier to win their second game than the Spurs were to win their fourth. I certainly want them to find another scorer to bolster the bench, but they weren't really in any danger of losing that series, and they would have done much the same against any team other than GS.



I don't think Pop was going to change for change's sake. I do hope he fixes his scheme, though. We don't know his plan for the rest of his rotation yet. They are obviously going to sign front-court guys.

Why would Mills have taken 1/$23M (they supposedly were committed to only giving 1 year deals) from 76ers over 4/$50M from Spurs? And if he did, again, they should have pivoted to one of the PG's in his class. They operated with their heart first and minds second, which is obviously bad business.

Mills' cap hold was largely irrelevant because the '18 flexibility is considering the porous free agent class. They should have looked to strike this summer.

Maybe, but every game with the possible exception of game 1 (even then, they had to overcome a terrible start) was a struggle. The fact that it was, is more telling than them supposedly "not being in any real danger of losing that series". That part was only because of how limited the Grizzlies were.

It appears that's what it came down to. That team was a fluke in a watered down season. There is no scheme change that's going to fix anything. They're not the high IQ team they used to be and they lack talent, neither of which is getting fixed by whichever backup bigs are signed, who probably won't even be as good as last season's.

[GSH]

Pretty wild that even though now is the time you can hear about signings & trades it's still so quiet on the Spurs front. They have guys they need to replace, even if the plan is to run back mostly the same team.


It's the bind I was looking at last year this time. They can only do something medium anyway, unless they make a trade that weakens them somewhere else. They might be working a big deal, but that will put them at least a year away from putting it all together. It was inevitable - last year or this year. Last year is gone, so I'm just looking at this year. I hope they go ahead and make a move for a piece worthy of playing alongside Kawhi, and put the icing on next year.

[palangi]

I don't think Mills' deal is nearly as bad as some people do. It will totally depend on how they use him and how he responds to that use. There are things Patty can do in an offense that not many of the guards on the market could, and those are things I want the Spurs to bring back. If Pop thinks he can make sets that work with Patty's strengths (speed and a quick release on jumpers), then I think it could be a decent contract. If they just intend for him to stand off the ball and chuck shots, it's much less appealing.

I don't think the deal itself is bad. Bringing patty back was bad. You have two 1st round picks the last 2 years at PG. You have Forbes we are keeping around. And we have Parker still trying to play. It just seems redundant. Especially with White and Forbes as similar type players.

If parker ends up not coming back then it makes a little sense. But still...

[MaNu4Tres]

Watch Pop and RC let their 3rd most important player vs the Warriors walk for the same money they gave their precious Patty.

[Chinook]

I don't think the deal itself is bad. Bringing patty back was bad. You have two 1st round picks the last 2 years at PG. You have Forbes we are keeping around. And we have Parker still trying to play. It just seems redundant. Especially with White and Forbes as similar type players.

If parker ends up not coming back then it makes a little sense. But still...

I don't disagree with this at all, especially if the plan was signing Paul and trading Green and LMA way.

[Big Empty]

Mills is a 40% 3 point shooter and physically is in the prime of his life. A bit over priced but i'm happy we retained him. CP3 woulda cost the Spurs 33 million a year and would have jacked up our future almost as bad as a 2003 Jason Kidd signing.

[ace3g]

Chris Reichert @Chris_Reichert
(https://twitter.com/Chris_Reichert) 2m (https://twitter.com/Chris_Reichert/status/883102844710043648)
San Antonio Spurs 2nd round pick Jaron Blossomgame will sign two-way contract with SAS, per league sources

[Chinook]

Seems like best thing for both sides, though I would have preferred everyone wait until after camp.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 15s (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883104561082257409)
Brooklyn's $106M-plus offer sheet for Porter includes a player option and a trade kicker, league sources tell ESPN.

[jermaine]

What does this means?

[Mr. Body]

Sheesh, Brooklyn has to do a lot.

[jermaine]

What does this mean??

[RodNIc91]

Watch Pop and RC let their 3rd most important player vs the Warriors walk for the same money they gave their precious Patty.

I'm truly befuddled by the way the the Spurs' offseason has unraveled. What do you think is the plan going forward considering how silent it has been for a couple of weeks now?

[Mr. Body]

I'm truly befuddled by the way the the Spurs' offseason has unraveled. What do you think is the plan going forward considering how silent it has been for a couple of weeks now?

Stay put, maybe pick up a potential bargain here or there. That's it.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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Free agent Kelly Olynyk has agreed to a four-year, $50M-plus deal with the Miami Heat, agent Greg Lawrence tells ESPN.

[cd98]

Probably need to close this thread until next year.

[DPG21920]

Jabari was just interviewed at SL and dodged the question about why Murray was not playing. He did say that Murray appears to be ahead of White even after the poor 2 games.

Said he's heard nothing from LMA and fully expects LMA to be a Spur this year. Said Dedmon likely gone, but SA wants Simmons back and they will likely just run the same team back plus maybe a couple vets.

Yeesh.

[RD2191]

214 pages of nothing. :lol

[NASpurs]

214 pages of nothing. :lol

Nothing? I wouldn't call meltdowns nothing including my own.

[TimDunkem]

Jabari was just interviewed at SL and dodged the question about why Murray was not playing. He did say that Murray appears to be ahead of White even after the poor 2 games.

Said he's heard nothing from LMA and fully expects LMA to be a Spur this year. Said Dedmon likely gone, but SA wants Simmons back and they will likely just run the same team back plus maybe a couple vets.

Yeesh.
Who's as washed up now as Joel Anthony was last year? Whoever that is, that's who the Spurs will sign.

Running the same team back makes sense if no one else in the West improved...Too bad just about everyone did including the Golden Showers.

[noles1983]

Spurs punting the season away before it even starts. Bringing back the same fucking team with a washed up IR point guard, an offensive wasteland starting SG, soft ass, whiny little bitch PF who cant post up and a 60 yr old center. Thankfully we have an overpaid Mills to save the day. Fuck this team, tbh.

[TimDunkem]

Spurs punting the season away before it even starts. Bringing back the same fucking team with a washed up IR point guard, an offensive wasteland starting SG, soft ass, whiny little bitch PF who cant post up and a 60 yr old center. Thankfully we have an overpaid Mills to save the day. Fuck this team, tbh.Don't forget our best bench guy who's 40 years old and a soft, slow-footed, 37 year old center who airballs layups and forgets how to shoot in the playoffs

[ace3g]

Tim MacMahon @espn_macmahon
(https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon) 4m (https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon/status/883111346002206720)
Sources: The Mavs and Heat have had discussions about a deal that would clear some salary cap space for Miami.

[Mr. Body]

Jabari was just interviewed at SL and dodged the question about why Murray was not playing. He did say that Murray appears to be ahead of White even after the poor 2 games.

Said he's heard nothing from LMA and fully expects LMA to be a Spur this year. Said Dedmon likely gone, but SA wants Simmons back and they will likely just run the same team back plus maybe a couple vets.

Yeesh.

This was all pretty obvious, but good to have confirmation.

[dabom]

Murray ain't playing. I'm gonna stop watching.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 46s (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883113938853953540)
Sources: Miami has been working on a Josh McRoberts salary dump to Dallas to clear space, league sources tell ESPN.





Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania) 1m (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/883114013110022144)
Sources: As Heat create space to re-sign James Johnson, Miami in advanced discussions to send forward Josh McRoberts to Dallas.

[TimDunkem]

Willie Reed will be a better big than anyone on the Spurs not named LMA:lol if he joins GS, and yet this FO is rolling back the same team that wasn't sure to contend with last year's version of the Golden Showers...Yuck.

[Atl Spur]

This was all pretty obvious, but good to have confirmation.

If Jabari did know anything would he really open his mouth? I'll just patiently wait and see👍🏾

[cd98]

Jabari was just interviewed at SL and dodged the question about why Murray was not playing. He did say that Murray appears to be ahead of White even after the poor 2 games.

Said he's heard nothing from LMA and fully expects LMA to be a Spur this year. Said Dedmon likely gone, but SA wants Simmons back and they will likely just run the same team back plus maybe a couple vets.

Yeesh.

Whats the saying? If it's broke, don't fix it.

[TimDunkem]

Woj has fallen so far...Lol Miami dealing McRoberts to Miami.

[mo7888]

It really feels l I'll me next season is already over

[TimDunkem]

Whats the saying? If it's broke, don't fix it.
More like don't upgrade even if what you have is obsolete.

[TheDoctor]

Every player in the league is shit until they join the Spurs, apparently. :lol

Is what we do homie.

"You niggas in trouble..."

Steal of the draft 4evah

[cutewizard]

Guys it was hard to log in the past few days, what happened???

[ace3g]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania) 1m (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/883114883323240448)
Heat plan to send McRoberts and a future second round pick to Dallas for A.J. Hammons, league sources tell The Vertical.

[Mr. Body]

Guys it was hard to log in the past few days, what happened???

Nothing. Nothing happened.

[Mr. Body]

What is Miami opening cap room for?

[TimDunkem]

James Johnson.

[mo7888]

What is Miami opening cap room for?

Maybe to do a dragic for lma trade? Lol...yea I know..

[I. Hustle]

Guys it was hard to log in the past few days, what happened???

Bend over, I'll give you hard to log in

[noles1983]

Ok, so did Pau even need to opt out? Now we gonna have that faggot for extra years? What a fucking terrible offseason.

[cd98]

214 pages of nothing. :lol

Well it's got plenty of non Spurs moves.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 11s (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883116791425368065)
Free agent forward Rudy Gay has agreed to a two year deal with the Spurs, league sourcs tell ESPN.

[TimDunkem]

GAY TO THE SPURS.
WE DID SOMETHING!

[r0drig0lac]

Gay in the SPURS

[LakerHater]

Free agent forward Rudy Gay has agreed to a two year deal with the Spurs, league sourcs tell ESPN.

[TimDunkem]

2 years at 17 million+ with the second year being a player option

[noles1983]

didnt that guy blow out his achilles? we love us some old broken players. Hopefully he doesnt blow goat balls. At least its something from this front office.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 10s (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883117051312779264)
Sources: Rudy Gay's deal with the Spurs: two-years, $17M-plus with a player option.

[mo7888]

Finally!

[cjw]

l883116791425368065

[DPG21920]

2 years at 17 million+ with the second year being a player option

Would be ideal.

[Atl Spur]

GAY TO THE SPURS.
WE DID SOMETHING!
Told u

[weeks]

2 year deal for gay??

[Chinook]

Spurs going all Gay up in here.

[Rito3d30]

WHAT!!!!!GAY!!!!

[RD2191]

didnt that guy blow out his achilles? we love us some old broken players

:lobt2:

[palangi]

More like don't upgrade even if what you have is obsolete.

Is like we are still using flip phone while everyone else is on a smart phone.

[cjw]

Not even the full MLE. But virtually all of it.

[LakerHater]

Hopefully he fits!
Hopefully his Achilles hasnt slowed him dwn!

Now, does Simms leave?

[eDizzle20]

Finally ��

[r0drig0lac]

didnt that guy blow out his achilles? we love us some old broken players. Hopefully he doesnt blow goat balls. At least its something from this front office.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/lobt2.gif http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/downspin.gif

[Atl Spur]

Green or Simmons is gone

[cd98]

Was this same as Kobe injury? If so, panic.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) now (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883117932406034434)
In the end, Gay left Sacramento for San Antonio for a chance to be part of a contender. Spurs worked hard to close this over 72 hours.

[Chinook]

I would rather that second year being a team option. Would hate for him to play well and them leave.

[Mr. Body]

He's actually the dynamic scorer they've needed to help Kawhi.

[Ron Swanson]

Sofa king Gay

[TheDoctor]

Spurs roster got Gayer in a blink of an eye.

[DPG21920]

So Spurs are staying over the cap which seems wise at this point. Gave Gay the non-tax payer MLE. Glad it's only 2 years although if he does great, then he's opting out for more money for sure. Left 17M in SAC for this.

[NASpurs]

I can't wait for the nicknames for Gay when he starts sucking.

[CGD]

If Simmons stays, gotta think we flip Danny now, no?

[ace3g]

Cole Zwicker @colezwicker
(https://twitter.com/colezwicker) 59s (https://twitter.com/colezwicker/status/883118414608318464)
Looks like the 2-year non-tax MLE totaling $17,232,300. SA can stay over cap & still sign JS using early qual. rights starting at $7,843,500

[HarlemHeat37]

If Simmons leaves, gotta think we flip Danny now, no?

Gay is a PF, at this point, especially following an injury that kills careers..

[coachmac87]

Not sure what this means regarding Simmons...Gay isn't a guard but $$ wise curious what this means

[TheDoctor]

I can't wait for the nicknames for Gay when he starts sucking.

Gaylord Sucker.

[Atl Spur]

Pop knows how to preserve careers and secondly he can play small ball 4! Him and kawhi can both post up smaller players

[DPG21920]

I would rather that second year being a team option. Would hate for him to play well and them leave.

Using the NT payer MLE - does that trigger anything for SA that's odd? I know S&T does that, but what about this?

[LakerHater]

Only problem, Gay works good w the ball not without

[JR3]

I'm happy about this. Low risk above avg reward

[ernest787]

I like the signing, assuming Gay recovers from that injury.

LMA / Gay / Kawhi / Green

Really like that closing games out.

[sasaint]

Hopefully he fits!
Hopefully his Achilles hasnt slowed him dwn!

Now, does Simms leave?

That would be sooo PATFO. Sign Rudy Gay for similar money to what JSimms pulls from some team like the Knicks.

[DPG21920]

Gay is a PF, at this point, especially following an injury that kills careers..

Mills/Danny/Kawhi/Gay/LMA - if Gay isn't totally washed I guess there is some potential there.

Why have Pau opt out if you were going to operate over the cap anyways? I guess CP really was the plan and Pau had to decline option for that to be possible.

[noles1983]

That would be sooo PATFO. Sign Rudy Gay for similar money to what JSimms pulls from some team like the Knicks.

yup, sign the broken guy rather than the young healthy one.

[JR3]

Only problem, Gay works good w the ball not without
In Sacramento.... Spurs are a different animal. He will either play better than he is like most of he becomes like Richard Jefferson .... hope the system makes him better.

[I. Hustle]

TIM, RJ and now Rudy. We always have someone gay on the team.

[Atl Spur]

Mills/Danny/Kawhi/Gay/LMA - if Gay isn't totally washed I guess there is some potential there.

Why have Pau opt out if you were going to operate over the cap anyways? I guess CP really was the plan and Pau had to decline option for that to be possible.

Spurs aren't done........ more to come

[NASpurs]

I wanted him before the Achilles injury last year when there were talks about him being bought out or something, now not so much.

[LakerHater]

In Sacramento.... Spurs are a different animal. He will either play better than he is like most of he becomes like Richard Jefferson .... hope the system makes him better.

Hope he becomes our Livingston

[rastaspur]

Hard to get excited about a guy coming off a torn Achilles and who has more turnovers than assists over the course of his career.

I can't speak to his ability to play the four but if he isn't a good small ball four then this signing doesn't move the needle at all imo

[I. Hustle]

yup, sign the broken guy rather than the young healthy one.

So far, I've heard that we are still able to pull both.

Can you imagine a Gay Juice duo?

Spurs got that Gay Juice!!

[CGD]

I've seen this idea of Spurs now operating over the tax several places. Can our cap folks explain why that is?

I thought we were using capspace this Summer after Pau opted out.

[bklynspursfan]

Only problem, Gay works good w the ball not without

I think he'll be in a system where he'll learn to move without the ball. Decent spot up shooter already

[Chinook]

Using the NT payer MLE - does that trigger anything for SA that's odd? I know S&T does that, but what about this?

It triggers the hard cap, but they can totally avoid that but not using the LLE or paying Pau less than $13 Million -- assuming Simmons returns on a max deal (for him).

[Kindergarten Cop]

What does this mean for Pau?

[NASpurs]

883119989053632513

[Mr. Body]

Hard to get excited about a guy coming off a torn Achilles and who has more turnovers than assists over the course of his career.

I can't speak to his ability to play the four but if he isn't a good small ball four then this signing doesn't move the needle at all imo

Kawhi plays the small ball four, Gay plays the three. The team is going for length.

[Mr. Body]

883119989053632513

That's a suddenly interesting team. Finally got rid of fools good mountain of shit Cousins and now they have players who care about the game.

[NASpurs]

883118653314654214

[SpurPadre]

Not bad. Now we're getting somewhere.

[NASpurs]

883120311486615552

[apalisoc_9]

You have to wonder with Pau coming off the bench, Coaching Stuff must be really sold at playing small at the 4. Gay, Blossom, Bertans, Anderson

They're not playing with Two bigs next year. That's for sure.

[ducks]

blossom will be in d league

[bklynspursfan]

883117932406034434

For all the people who whined that they didn't hear anything and thinking SA was sitting around doing nothing.... Y'all should know by now stuff seldom leaks here during the off season

[sasaint]

Spurs aren't done........ more to come

Doubt it. VCarter just signed with Sactown.

[Atl Spur]

Kawhi plays the small ball four, Gay plays the three. The team is going for length.

Rudy may not have the lateral movement.... for the 3

[NASpurs]

Spurs aren't done........ more to come

I agree, Mike Dunleavy Jr still looms.

[sasaint]

I agree, Mike Dunleavy Jr still looms.

With Vince gone, I could see that.

[Atl Spur]

Tyreke

[NASpurs]

With Vince gone, I could see that.

I was originally joking but now you have me scared because it's actually a strong possibility.

[Atl Spur]

We need playmakers

[LakerHater]

Still nda big

[HarlemHeat37]

Good for Vince, tbh..choosing minutes rather than being a ring chaser..

[cutewizard]

Hope more to come.......

is Tony Allen available??

How about Crowder?

[LakerHater]

Hope more to come.......

is Tony Allen available??

How about Crowder?

Crowder was traded

[NASpurs]

883125020544741376

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwgPg9qfBek

[Nathan89]

Although I have comments against this I was going to say a couple days ago that at this point this is one of the only upside move the Spurs can make. This is the must type of move that the Spurs needed to make. A more versatile/playmaking pf was the biggest gap. Is Gay the ideal player for that is debatable but he's one of the few reasonable options we had. I wish it was a team option in his 2nd year because we really need to be a making a push for a big player next summer and that is going to be difficult if he plays great.

[Down Under]

Simmons is probably looking at a longer term deal. With Gay being the ball dominant bench guy, it may not make sense to bring him back unless it was 2 years

[Mr. Body]

Simmons is probably looking at a longer term deal. With Gay being the ball dominant bench guy, it may not make sense to bring him back unless it was 2 years

Gay may be starting.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SFWEb-q0A0

[keithington1]

Hopefully Lee gone Simmons back

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 20s (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883127446949642241)
Free agent James Johnson has agreed to the framework of a four-year deal to stay with the Miami Heat, league sources tell ESPN.

[Down Under]

Sign Tiago

[Chinook]

James Johnson: The one who got away, over and over again.

[keithington1]

Still need an athletic 5

[Rito3d30]

If Spurs can get Simmons back
I would call this a successful off season:flag:

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 3m (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883128826032603136)
The Houston Rockets are working to flip their $10M in non-guaranteed contracts for players or assets, league sources tell ESPN.