Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[ceperez]

Shit-and-a-half is what Mills as the starting PG is. Not even mentioning the 50M reasons why....

If the Spurs wanted a stop gap until Murray was ready, they should've gone cheaper.

I suspect Murray is getting traded. That's why Spurs drafted White.

[Snaq O'Meal]

I suspect Murray is getting traded. That's why Spurs drafted White.

Trading Murray away because they've just drafted a poor man's Brogdon? If true, that's kinda fucked up.

[ceperez]

Trading Murray away because they've just drafted a poor man's Brogdon? If true, that's kinda fucked up.

Why draft a first round PG if there isn't a need? Why is there a need if Murray is locked up long term? What position does Murray play?

[CGD]

1. Trade Danny to CLE in S&T for Korver and Cedi Osman.

2. Let PHX whiff on Milsap and reengage talks for LMA. Failing that, kick tires on TOR's Valincinous. Failing that just hold his ass.

3. Resign Pau, sign Hanga, sign Patty at end.

[cutewizard]

Perhaps we should just tank? uhmmm?

[ceperez]

Perhaps we should just tank? uhmmm?

Not possible when you have an MVP candidate like Leonard in the roster.

[cutewizard]

Then I just hope there is some good news tomorrow

[cutewizard]

Our front office cannot be this stupid right?

[Snaq O'Meal]

Why draft a first round PG if there isn't a need? Why is there a need if Murray is locked up long term? What position does Murray play?

Good questions. I've been wondering why PATFO have been hoarding oversized point guards recently, like Fathead, Hanlan, Dijon, and now Mini Fathead.

Perhaps Poop's play book heavily favors point guards, with plays freeing up the point guard to score. Big men are there to set screens, space the floor, and occasionally play Four Down. And wings' jobs are to space the floor or run isos. After all, Poop used to be a point guard.

[ace3g]

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Free agent guard Jrue Holiday has reached agreement on 5-year, $126M deal to stay with New Orleans, agent Jason Glushon tells ESPN.

[Mal]

Perhaps we should just tank? uhmmm?

Why tank ? See what Murray, Anderson have to offer. See what Parker look like after injury. Preserve as much cap space as you can get, and redo failing of signing FA in summer 2018, while still being top seed in western conference.

[Mal]

Isn't Philadelphia interested in big money deals for 1 year ? Maybe they pay Gasol 16 mil ? Embiid surely need decent vet backup, and they can spend that money on Gasol. That would be great for Spurs

[GSH]

Preserve as much cap space as you can get


Too late.

[GSH]

They need to improve and if they don't do it this year, then putting on money longer term hurts them beyond this year.


Who'd have guessed that? Never saw it coming. :lol

I hate to say it (again) DPG, but this is the chickens coming home to roost for last season. And the shtick about top players not wanting to come join a sinking ship? There's some truth to that.

You never would say it out loud, but "preserving flexibility for next year" was always going to mean biting the bullet somewhere along the line. Keep signing longer-term contracts, and exceeding the cap, and the flexibility left isn't enough to make a really big splash.

[Mugen]

:lol Injured ass Jrue holiday getting 25mil a year. GHill and Lowry likely getting near the same money soon...

But Spurfan complaining about Patty getting half that when he's a solid 6th man off the bench that can play with DeJounte or White, smh.

[99 Problems]

Why draft a first round PG if there isn't a need? Why is there a need if Murray is locked up long term? What position does Murray play?

I think they see White as steady do a bit of everything Manu replacement type, who they will pair with MVPatty. With the fleet footed Hanga doing the tough D duties.

[DPG21920]

:lol Injured ass Jrue holiday getting 25mil a year. GHill and Lowry likely getting near the same money soon...

But Spurfan complaining about Patty getting half that when he's a solid 6th man off the bench that can play with DeJounte or White, smh.

The money is not the issue - it's the results that matter. It's like buying the 3 12-packs of Coke just because they are on sale when you really don't need them.

[daslicer]

:lol Injured ass Jrue holiday getting 25mil a year. GHill and Lowry likely getting near the same money soon...

But Spurfan complaining about Patty getting half that when he's a solid 6th man off the bench that can play with DeJounte or White, smh.

I don't think most of these fans realize how the values of the players are now inflated due to the new CBA and TV money. They are thinking in their minds what these guys would have been worth on the open market a few years ago before the new CBA which is around 10-15 mil a year. After the Conley deal last year I knew all these guys like Holiday,Lowry,Hill were going to get overpaid in the access of at least making 20 mil a year.

[ceperez]

Good questions. I've been wondering why PATFO have been hoarding oversized point guards recently, like Fathead, Hanlan, Dijon, and now Mini Fathead.

Perhaps Poop's play book heavily favors point guards, with plays freeing up the point guard to score. Big men are there to set screens, space the floor, and occasionally play Four Down. And wings' jobs are to space the floor or run isos. After all, Poop used to be a point guard.

I don't know what new revelation Pop has with small ball play. Apparently he did wonders when he played both Parker and Mills at the same time. I think its Mills inability to score unless he gets a good assist. Parker is just so much better as a passer.

Regarding Murray, he definitely isn't a shooter and I don't recall him also to being a good passer. He's a good one one one player and has length to be good defensively. I am unsure if the league has bought into the hype about him, so who knows what his trade value is. Spurs will likely showcase him early in the season and trade him with Aldridge.

[Mugen]

The money is not the issue - it's the results that matter. It's like buying the 3 12-packs of Coke just because they are on sale when you really don't need them.

So the alternative was throwing money at frontcourt guys like Millsap and hope we get past the Dubs that way? I don't see a move out there that will get the Spurs past Golden State next season, same as any other team.

If the Spurs did this to make Patty the starter for the next 2 or 3 years or the FO still gives TP 5+ mil next season then I agree this move was unwise.

If it anyway helps the Spurs move past TP, have Patty be the short-term bridge to Murray being the full-time starter, then ease into a Manu type 6th man role afterwards, I'm perfectly fine with the deal.

(I do enjoy the various metaphors you've thrown out about the deal since yesterday tho, Deepy)

[RD2191]

The money is not the issue - it's the results that matter. It's like buying the 3 12-packs of Coke just because they are on sale when you really don't need them.

And in reality it's on sale because it's past due and fizzed out.

[DPG21920]

So the alternative was throwing money at frontcourt guys like Millsap and hope we get past the Dubs that way? I don't see a move out there that will get the Spurs past Golden State next season, same as any other team.

If the Spurs did this to make Patty the starter for the next 2 or 3 years or the FO still gives TP 5+ mil next season then I agree this move was unwise.

If it anyway helps the Spurs move past TP, have Patty be the short-term bridge to Murray being the full-time starter, then ease into a Manu type 6th man role afterwards, I'm perfectly fine with the deal.

(I do enjoy the various metaphors you've thrown out about the deal since yesterday tho, Deepy)

:lol Me too. They are flowing nicely.

It's not the end of the world at all; like you said. I've given my 2-cents on my concerns and they mainly stem from knowing that Mills really is not very playable in the playoffs or as a starter. His ceiling is capped hard. But we do know he's valuable in a 6th man role especially in the regular season.

But the team HAS to improve. The other moves they make may very well do that - but it's harder to see one of the leagues worst guard rotations improving at the moment and that concerns me because now THEY HAVE TO make up ground elsewhere.

Murray blossoming can help that issue for sure and I am on board with not spending on PG like crazy and developing Murray; but yes, that means they have to truly improve talent wise in the frontcourt to make a leap.

[DPG21920]

And in reality it's on sale because it's past due and fizzed out.

I have no issue with Mills. While I think in this market it's a discount based on raw production, hes clearly as valuable as the contract and I think it accurately reflects his on the court warts.

He's a good player to have, even at that money if he were someone that was solely a regular season minutes soaker. Unfortunately, for SA's build, that is not the case and he gets exposed in the playoffs vs any team that matters.

[4lifecowboy]

I don't know what new revelation Pop has with small ball play. Apparently he did wonders when he played both Parker and Mills at the same time. I think its Mills inability to score unless he gets a good assist. Parker is just so much better as a passer.

Regarding Murray, he definitely isn't a shooter and I don't recall him also to being a good passer. He's a good one one one player and has length to be good defensively. I am unsure if the league has bought into the hype about him, so who knows what his trade value is. Spurs will likely showcase him early in the season and trade him with Aldridge.

Kawhi wasn't a shooter his first few years, nor was Parker when he was young.

[picnroll]

Pop signed Mills so he can have somebody to go out to dinner with when the Spurs are in the road.

I went to a couple of the Spurs last regular season games. Sat right behind the Spurs bench. During pre-game and half time warmups I specifically watched Murray shooting. Both games he was clanging mid range shots off the rim. Sure as hell something's improved this summer.

[cjw]

I have no issue with Mills. While I think in this market it's a discount based on raw production, hes clearly as valuable as the contract and I think it accurately reflects his on the court warts.

He's a good player to have, even at that money if he were someone that was solely a regular season minutes soaker. Unfortunately, for SA's build, that is not the case and he gets exposed in the playoffs vs any team that matters.

If he can't play minutes in the playoffs against GS, who cares about soaking RS minutes? The Spurs were about 20 games safe of missing the playoffs last year.

I DO think Mills was severely impacted last year by having no Kawhi on the floor. Against the Warriors, he's a tough guy to play out there but with one less key defender/offensive threat, they were able to key in on him.

[Mugen]

Making any sweeping conclusions based solely on the Dubs series seems pretty stupid to me. All bets were off when Kawhi went down tbh.

[Vic Petro]

Mills was always a 2-guard in a point guards body. His value came playing off Manu. Last season he had to handle the ball too much because TP and Manu couldn't collapse a defense in PR anymore. Murray will start, White & Mills off the bench. Patty goes back to playing off the ball where he's most valuable. Can also go back to using his energy to harass PGs up the court. He's a limited player, but in this role and in this market, the money is fair.

4 years is a long time though.

[DPG21920]

Making any sweeping conclusions based solely on the Dubs series seems pretty stupid to me. All bets were off when Kawhi went down tbh.

I'm not doing that. Mills has proven more often than not he struggles in the playoffs with Kawhi present or not.

[DPG21920]

Mills was always a 2-guard in a point guards body. His value came playing off Manu. Last season he had to handle the ball too much because TP and Manu couldn't collapse a defense in PR anymore. Murray will start, White & Mills off the bench. Patty goes back to playing off the ball where he's most valuable. Can also go back to using his energy to harass PGs up the court. He's a limited player, but in this role and in this market, the money is fair.

4 years is a long time though.

If his value came playing of Manu (who's an all-time talent obviously) that is a major concern seeing as Manu is gone, TP is declined and there is no one nearly as good as Manu in the fold (another obvious statement)

[GSH]

Mills was always a 2-guard in a point guards body. His value came playing off Manu. Last season he had to handle the ball too much because TP and Manu couldn't collapse a defense in PR anymore. Murray will start, White & Mills off the bench. Patty goes back to playing off the ball where he's most valuable. Can also go back to using his energy to harass PGs up the court. He's a limited player, but in this role and in this market, the money is fair.

4 years is a long time though.


Yeah, and that's sort of the problem. If the only way you can get the backup PG you want is to sign him for 4 years? Maybe you take a flyer on Murray, at least for one year. Then, if you have to, you go out and hire a starter for some real money.

You can put a patch on an old pair of jeans. Your ass won't show, but you'll still be wearing an old pair of jeans.

[Mugen]

I kill the next man who uses a metaphor for the Patty signing. Book it tbh.

[GSH]

I kill the next man who uses a metaphor for the Patty signing. Book it tbh.

:lol

[Nathan89]

I kill the next man who uses a metaphor for the Patty signing. Book it tbh.:lmao

[DPG21920]

I kill the next man who uses a metaphor for the Patty signing. Book it tbh.

Why - it's like SpursTalk version of poetry

[Mugen]

Why - it's like SpursTalk version of poetry

https://media.giphy.com/media/3CU9QjErtnI8E/giphy.gif

[GSH]

Why - it's like SpursTalk version of poetry

:lol How about a little ST haiku?

Signing Patty Mills
Like buying the out of date
Pack of ribeye steaks



[It's not a metaphor, Mugen. I looked it up.]

[RD2191]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3CU9QjErtnI8E/giphy.gif

You're a funny guy.

[jermaine]

I can't understand how they pay these fools $150 to $200 million bucks just to put a ball through a hole... Meanwhile Teachers, fireman, police, Army(People who fight for this country) gets the lowest pay!!! This country's priorities are fucked up. Anything to keep our attention off Real shot in America. Kill a nicca an your family become millionaires to shut up an go away!

[HarlemHeat37]

I can't understand how they pay these fools $150 to $200 million bucks just to put a ball through a hole... Meanwhile Teachers, fireman, police, Army(People who fight for this country) gets the lowest pay!!! This country's priorities are fucked up. Anything to keep our attention off Real shot in America. Kill a nicca an your family become millionaires to shut up an go away!

All those professions you named are full of replaceable people with no talent, tbh..

Actually, in Canada, teachers and police are way overpaid:lol

[Vic Petro]

If his value came playing of Manu (who's an all-time talent obviously) that is a major concern seeing as Manu is gone, TP is declined and there is no one nearly as good as Manu in the fold (another obvious statement)

I don't think Manu is the only guy he can play off, it's just who he played off with us. I think Mills can be very successful in this role playing off a PG who can get into the lane on a PnR, draw a double, and kick the ball out so it swings to an open shooter. The team had a dearth of players capable of this, and I think they are hoping Murray and White develop into those guys. Pretty dangerous because it takes young PGs time to figure out decision making - when to pass to the roller, when to attack, and when to kick. But I agree they need more ball handlers to initiate offense, which will result in big playing time for Murray, White, and even Simmons. Mills plays off those guys well, theoretically, and the per year average fits the market. A shame it took a 4 year deal. At least he's an easy guy to root for.

[coachmac87]

I can't understand how they pay these fools $150 to $200 million bucks just to put a ball through a hole... Meanwhile Teachers, fireman, police, Army(People who fight for this country) gets the lowest pay!!! This country's priorities are fucked up. Anything to keep our attention off Real shot in America. Kill a nicca an your family become millionaires to shut up an go away!


Worst post in ST history...

[rjv]

Only thing more painful than sifting through all the bad basketball takes is having to read the political ones.

[LittleCriminal]

So what now¿
Are the spurs gunna trot out the same team as last year¿

[Poolboy5623]

So what now¿
Are the spurs gunna trot out the same team as last year¿

No...this years team will be much worse.

[tbdog]

If he can't play minutes in the playoffs against GS, who cares about soaking RS minutes? The Spurs were about 20 games safe of missing the playoffs last year.

I DO think Mills was severely impacted last year by having no Kawhi on the floor. Against the Warriors, he's a tough guy to play out there but with one less key defender/offensive threat, they were able to key in on him.

Because there are 28 other teams. And Warriors have a unique combo at the guard position. We still need shooters, and Mills fits that. He can play with Murray also, which is a plus. I must admit, I rather Joseph 5 mil cheaper.

[Leetonidas]

I can't understand how they pay these fools $150 to $200 million bucks just to put a ball through a hole... Meanwhile Teachers, fireman, police, Army(People who fight for this country) gets the lowest pay!!! This country's priorities are fucked up. Anything to keep our attention off Real shot in America. Kill a nicca an your family become millionaires to shut up an go away!

1. Because there are only about 400 people in the world out of 7 billion capable of playing in the NBA
2. Because you watch it

Pretty obvious tbh...no one is lining up to watch a cop write tickets

[houston spurs fan]

I can't understand how they pay these fools $150 to $200 million bucks just to put a ball through a hole... Meanwhile Teachers, fireman, police, Army(People who fight for this country) gets the lowest pay!!! This country's priorities are fucked up. Anything to keep our attention off Real shot in America. Kill a nicca an your family become millionaires to shut up an go away!
Hey, go to Cuba, their government agrees with you.

[sasaint]

I don't think Manu is the only guy he can play off, it's just who he played off with us. I think Mills can be very successful in this role playing off a PG who can get into the lane on a PnR, draw a double, and kick the ball out so it swings to an open shooter. The team had a dearth of players capable of this, and I think they are hoping Murray and White develop into those guys. Pretty dangerous because it takes young PGs time to figure out decision making - when to pass to the roller, when to attack, and when to kick. But I agree they need more ball handlers to initiate offense, which will result in big playing time for Murray, White, and even Simmons. Mills plays off those guys well, theoretically, and the per year average fits the market. A shame it took a 4 year deal. At least he's an easy guy to root for.

I agree with you. Plus you need to factor in Patty's locker room presence that PATFO values highly. Nobody under contract prior to Patty's re-signing seems like a very good, vocal leader. That is not Kawhi's nature any more than it was Tim's. The team needed a Manu replacement (assuming he retires). As Manu was to Tim, PATFO plans Patty to be for Kawhi.

[houston spurs fan]

I like the direction the team is headed. I've said it before, this is circa 2000-2002. You build around Kawhi and hope you get lucky with your guys developing into a Manu or TP9. SA is like the worst destination for an FA, so you have to trust Pop and RC will make the right moves within their power. You keep knocking on the door a la TD and eventually beat the Lakers

[CGD]

I like the direction the team is headed. I've said it before, this is circa 2000-2002. You build around Kawhi and hope you get lucky with your guys developing into a Manu or TP9. SA is like the worst destination for an FA, so you have to trust Pop and RC will make the right moves within their power. You keep knocking on the door a la TD and eventually beat the Lakers

Good perspective

[GSH]

I like the direction the team is headed. I've said it before, this is circa 2000-2002. You build around Kawhi and hope you get lucky with your guys developing into a Manu or TP9. SA is like the worst destination for an FA, so you have to trust Pop and RC will make the right moves within their power. You keep knocking on the door a la TD and eventually beat the Lakers


Some really good advice I got a long time ago: "Hope is not a plan."

[TheDoctor]

I like the direction the team is headed. I've said it before, this is circa 2000-2002. You build around Kawhi and hope you get lucky with your guys developing into a Manu or TP9. SA is like the worst destination for an FA, so you have to trust Pop and RC will make the right moves within their power. You keep knocking on the door a la TD and eventually beat the Lakers
Kawhi's a beast and all that but let's keep things real, he's not Tim Duncan.

[Leetonidas]

Tim Duncan circa 2000-2003 was on par with or better than the player many consider the most dominant in history at his peak. Kawhi is a top 2 player but unfortunately he isnt peak Duncan....not yet at least

[Hoops Czar]

1. Because there are only about 400 people in the world out of 7 billion capable of playing in the NBA
2. Because you watch it

Pretty obvious tbh...no one is lining up to watch a cop write tickets

No one is lining up to see Paddy shoot 21% in a playoff series either.

[GSH]

No one is lining up to see Paddy shoot 21% in a playoff series either.


Other than GSW fans, you mean.

[houston spurs fan]

Tim Duncan circa 2000-2003 was on par with or better than the player many consider the most dominant in history at his peak. Kawhi is a top 2 player but unfortunately he isnt peak Duncan....not yet at least
I don't disagree but let's give him a couple more years. Considering his year over year improvement...

[Leetonidas]

No one is lining up to see Paddy shoot 21% in a playoff series either.

I guarantee plenty of vanilla fans are happy tbh

[Leetonidas]

I don't disagree but let's give him a couple more years. Considering his year over year improvement...

Indeed. I'm excited to see what Kawhi adds over the summer this time

[SpurPadre]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-curry-griffin-warriors-early-winners-pacers-spurs-on-losing-end/

(http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-curry-griffin-warriors-early-winners-pacers-spurs-on-losing-end/)Considered losers on Day 1?

[marinoman]

West signed with warriors. With us he sucked but plays well on the warriors

[Vic Petro]

Ho Lee Shit

881202410907029504

[mo7888]

Langston Galloway signs for 3 years and 21 million in Detroit

[TimDunkem]

Didn't Langston Galloway eat up Fatty a few times over the years too? :lmao

[Nathan89]

Tim Duncan circa 2000-2003 was on par with or better than the player many consider the most dominant in history at his peak. Kawhi is a top 2 player but unfortunately he isnt peak Duncan....not yet at least

It wouldn't matter if the was the best player ever. GSW is a far more talented team.

[objective]

Why are people insisting on calling Mills a '6th Man"?

That is crap and they know it.

Manu was the 6th man. He drove, he was the engine. He ran the offense, he made the plays, he executed the pick and roll, he defended his old ass off

Mills as 6th man is a joke and you all know it

He's the midget version of Blair. No defense and without Manu to make him look good he falls apart

[Chinook]

Do you know what a sixth man is?

[TimDunkem]

Manu is the 6th man still. :lol

[BatManu20]

Ho Lee Shit

881202410907029504

What the fucking fuck :lol

And why the hell is Obama on that shirt with those other greats :lmao

[Chinook]

What the fucking fuck :lol

And why the hell is Obama on that shirt with those other greats :lmao

Obama is as historic as any of those folks. He wasn't as important in terms of what he did, but definitely for what he represented. Just like Blake. Obama first black POTUS, Griffin first guy to dunk over a KIA.

[GSH]

Obama is as historic as any of those folks. He wasn't as important in terms of what he did, but definitely for what he represented. Just like Blake. Obama first black POTUS, Griffin first guy to dunk over a KIA.


Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize after only a few weeks in office. None of those other slackers did that.

[Mr. Body]

Obama is as historic as any of those folks. He wasn't as important in terms of what he did, but definitely for what he represented. Just like Blake. Obama first black POTUS, Griffin first guy to dunk over a KIA.

Finally gave us the groundwork for a national healthcare system. It'll go through many iterations before this generation of Republican grifters dies off, but the foundations were incredibly important going forward.

[HarlemHeat37]

Obama is as historic as any of those folks. He wasn't as important in terms of what he did, but definitely for what he represented. Just like Blake. Obama first black POTUS, Griffin first guy to dunk over a KIA.

Also, whether old people(not referring to Batmanu, just speaking in general) like it or not, Obama's impact towards millennials as the first social media era president is going to resonate for a long, long time, tbh..that's the wave of our world, going forward..

[rastaspur]

Only thing more painful than sifting through all the bad basketball takes is having to read the political ones.

[marinoman]

Nene deal canceled, he's a FA again

[Atl Spur]

What the fucking fuck :lol

And why the hell is Obama on that shirt with those other greats :lmao

You're joking ........right?

[Robz4000]

Nene deal canceled, he's a FA again

Means Houston has another big deal in the works it looks like. Paul Millsap?

[houston spurs fan]

Also, whether old people(not referring to Batmanu, just speaking in general) like it or not, Obama's impact towards millennials as the first social media era president is going to resonate for a long, long time, tbh..that's the wave of our world, going forward..
Obama was terrible you fucking Canuck. Worst President since Carter, not even close.

[rastaspur]

All those professions you named are full of replaceable people with no talent, tbh..

Actually, in Canada, teachers and police are way overpaid:lol

[picnroll]

Houston was going after Iggy

[024]

Yeah... don't really know what the Spurs are doing here. Hopefully they're waiting for other pieces to fall in place so they can finally chuck Aldridge off the team and go after actual improvements.

Otherwise, the Spurs are just standing still while locking up long term cap space in the process with the Mills and pending Pau re-signs and possibly throwing money at Simmons.

I don't know if I believe Patty's market value was in the 12-15 million range. Maybe it was based off last year's FA but i think GMs are more cautious this year. I think 12.5 million was at the top range of what Patty could get and I think his value is more 9-10 million for being a way undersized 2 guard. Still, I guess 2-3 million won't make much difference in the cap. I really hope Spurs just end up giving Pau another 1 year contract after they strike out in the FA. No need to lock up future cap space for a 36 year old that's already slow on defense.

[ceperez]

Yeah... don't really know what the Spurs are doing here. Hopefully they're waiting for other pieces to fall in place so they can finally chuck Aldridge off the team and go after actual improvements.

Otherwise, the Spurs are just standing still while locking up long term cap space in the process with the Mills and pending Pau re-signs and possibly throwing money at Simmons.

I don't know if I believe Patty's market value was in the 12-15 million range. Maybe it was based off last year's FA but i think GMs are more cautious this year. I think 12.5 million was at the top range of what Patty could get and I think his value is more 9-10 million for being a way undersized 2 guard. Still, I guess 2-3 million won't make much difference in the cap. I really hope Spurs just end up giving Pau another 1 year contract after they strike out in the FA. No need to lock up future cap space for a 36 year old that's already slow on defense.

The 2-3 million excess is just the bonus for being a great locker room guy.

[rastaspur]

Hey, go to Cuba, their government agrees with you.

There aren't enough fat white girls in cuba

[Dverde]

I would send Pop and RC to OCK for Presti and Westbrook

[Clipper Nation]

Means Houston has another big deal in the works it looks like. Paul Millsap?
Nah, they had to revoke Nene's contract because it violated the CBA :lol


Free-agent center Nene "is back at square one" in free agency after the Houston Rockets had to pull back an accepted four-year, $15 million deal due to an age rule, a source told The Undefeated.

Nene and the Rockets agreed to the deal Friday. Houston, however, was not permitted to offer a four-year contract because of the Over 38 rule.

The fourth season of the initially proposed contract would have been during Nene's 38th birthday. The Rockets have countered with a three-year, $10 million offer to Nene that he has not accepted, a source said.


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19783234/rockets-pull-back-4-year-deal-nene-age-rule

[rastaspur]

Ho Lee Shit

881202410907029504

Pioneer of what exactly? What has he accomplished? A few fancy dunks here and there and resembling a biracial version of donny most (aka Ralph malph from happy days) doesn't make you a pioneer.

[cd98]

Please don't put political talk on this thread bc I need it to get updates on all the moves the other NBA teams are doing to get better.

[ECOV]

sounds like iggy is going to Houston

[HarlemHeat37]

Although I'll never believe the Rockets will ever be a legit contender, a GS-Houston rivalry could be interesting at the top of the West if they add Iguodala, tbh..Houston isn't anywhere near them and would get killed, but the Iguodala-GS and Paul-GS storylines would be fun..

[buttsR4rebounding]

1. Because there are only about 400 people in the world out of 7 billion capable of playing in the NBA
2. Because you watch it

Pretty obvious tbh...no one is lining up to watch a cop write tickets
Unfortunately, cops seem to line up to write my wife tickets.

[rastaspur]

Please don't put political talk on this thread bc I need it to get updates on all the moves the other NBA teams are doing to get better.

Since you asked so nicely I will not. You sir are a gentleman.

[gambit1990]

rockets get iggy and the wolves get millsap?

[rastaspur]

Unfortunately, cops seem to line up to write my wife tickets.

She got a big rack or something? Or just a heavy foot.

Cops where I live are a bunch of hornballs. Constantly getting in trouble for banging confidential informants.

Got a client off on cocaine and distribution charges because the drug task officer was banging the informant and I got my hands on evidence to prove it. DA never even tried to prosecute it.

Also, cops often times pull hot girls over, give them a ticket, and then get the girls number or vice versa and say call me and I might dismiss it. Before you know it they are soliciting them and sending dick picks.

An officer recently got fired for pulling a married woman over on day 1 and sending her a dick pick on day 2. Her husband went to the police station and newspaper immediately and raised absolute shit about it. It was hilarious

[GSH]

Here's a hard-hitting journalism piece on the Spurs:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/presents19295594/nba-playoffs-2017-san-antonio-spurs-made-100-percent-juice

SAN ANTONIO -- You know you've discovered something interesting about the Spurs when they won't talk about it. You know you've discovered something really interesting when former Air Force intelligence officer and current Spurs coach Gregg Popovich goes to the trouble of offering up smoke screens.

That's how we come to find ourselves talking -- in hushed tones, in hallways -- about the merits of cold-pressed juice. And no, it cannot be photographed for this story.

[sammy]

Obama was terrible you fucking Canuck. Worst President since Carter, not even close.

Obama is the greatest President ever fool!

Back to free agency, Igodala had excellent meeting W/Houston & deal offered according to Bleacher Report!

I'd rather Spurs went after Millsap & Gay

[cjw]

Means Houston has another big deal in the works it looks like. Paul Millsap?

No way in hell do they have the money for him. Would require moving at least Anderson if not him and Gordon. Nobody is biting on his contract.

Also, it looks like the Rockets tried to pull a fast one on Nene. They knew sure well that he couldn't get a four year deal (the player they just traded for crafted the over 38 rule). He isn't going to play more than 1-2 years and was essentially letting Houston save on the cap this year by deferring money to years he wasn't going to play

[LakerHater]

Means Houston has another big deal in the works it looks like. Paul Millsap?

They signed that 7' Chinese kid!

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[Mr. Body]

Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize after only a few weeks in office. None of those other slackers did that.

He won for not being George W. Bush. The next president after Trump will be crowned the King of Norway.

[picnroll]

They signed that 7' Chinese kid!

Brilliant move. One scrub Chinese on their squad and Harden, Paul and anyone else on the Rockets gets $$$ endorsement money from China. Just like the Yao days.

[GSH]

He won for not being George W. Bush. The next president after Trump will be crowned the King of Norway.


Well then, he can go on the poster with Blakey.

Not if it's a woman.

There won't be a President after Trump because the whole world is coming to an end.


Just too many good comeback lines when you say something that stupid.

[cjw]

Do you know what a sixth man is?

Not just that, but teams can have a pair of sixth men. Heck, the Rockets had two guys nominated as sixth man of the year.

[Mr. Body]

Well then, he can go on the poster with Blakey.

Not if it's a woman.

There won't be a President after Trump because the whole world is coming to an end.


Just too many good comeback lines when you say something that stupid.

Trump's gonna explode because he's too fat to find the toilet and all the shit inside him is building up too fast.

[GSH]

Trump's gonna explode because he's too fat to find the toilet and all the shit inside him is building up too fast.



Seriously? You've gone back to second grade? Very, very well-crafted argument.

Okay, I'm done with you. I'll get myself charged with child abuse.

[Mr. Body]

Seriously? You've gone back to second grade? Very, very well-crafted argument.

Okay, I'm done with you. I'll get myself charged with child abuse.

Nah, it's more that your beloved pussygrabber is a pile of monkey shit and is driving our country into the ground, but go play with yourself over images of his gross, corpulent, disgusting flesh. Fuck off.

[picnroll]

Nah, it's more that your beloved pussygrabber is a pile of monkey shit and is driving our country into the ground, but go play with yourself over images of his gross, corpulent, disgusting flesh. Fuck off.


http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=8

[UZER]

Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize after only a few weeks in office. None of those other slackers did that.

:lol Peace Prize

That was premature. Dude race baited the country into division.

[spursistan]

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[r0drig0lac]

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[raybies]

Iggy decision coming soon

[gambit1990]

881235854374653953
who has he met with? just houston? houston and the spurs?

[LakerHater]

Hou nabbin Iggy

[raybies]

Yup. Got to be houston

[Chinook]

Yup. Better be houston
Yep.

[GSH]

I don't know if he's really looking to get out of GS, or just posing for leverage. I assume Hou made the money right, so if he's leaving that would be my guess.

[cjw]

Yup. Got to be houston

Or Golden State offered to match.

Houston can't go above the MLE unless it orchestrates a trade with GS using its trade exception.

[BatManu20]

Iggy is a Rocket.

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[marinoman]

I'd rather have gay anyways, and I don't want gay

[TimDunkem]

Seriously? You've gone back to second grade? Very, very well-crafted argument.

Okay, I'm done with you. I'll get myself charged with child abuse.
The guy is a joke. He melts down any time you disagree with him. :lol

[spursistan]

Houston got him and are the clear cut 2nd best team in the West maybe in the league..

[BatManu20]

I'd rather have gay anyways, and I don't want gay


Warriors are going to go after Rudy now that Iggy is departing.

[gambit1990]

iguodala had the best assist to turnover ratio in the league last year. so houston would be adding that to a roster that already has cp3 and harden. their sixth man of the year can handle the ball as well.

[GSH]

Well this is a handy little chart. Currently updated team salaries and cap room:

http://heathoops.com/salary-index/team-salary-2017-18/

[Chinook]

Hmm is he signing for the MLE?

[Kindergarten Cop]

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[GSH]

iguodala had the best assist to turnover ratio in the league last year. so houston would be adding that to a roster that already has cp3 and harden. their sixth man of the year can handle the ball as well.


I posted the other day about Hou needing to make up big minutes after losing two 2,000-minute players, to get one. This would be one hell of a way to do it. I don't know how they're going to make him fit, but it would really shore up their roster.

[spurs10]

Yup. Got to be houston Did we even meet with him?

[picnroll]

Iggy goes to Houston and GS is going after Gay. No problems, we have Mills.

[TimDunkem]

Iggy goes to Houston and GS is going after Gay. No problems, we have Mills.
Fuck, man. Stop it. :lmao :(

[Kindergarten Cop]

Hmm is he signing for the MLE?

Can they sign him with the trade exception (~$12M) that they acquired - giving him multiple years?

[r0drig0lac]

Iggy goes to Houston and GS is going after Gay. No problems, we have Mills.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/toast.gif


/facepalm

[HarlemHeat37]

Warriors wouldn't miss him as much as people think(due to his name, it has more impact than his actual ability), but adding Gay would be a disaster..can't imagine why they would do that, he doesn't fit with their style of play, at all..

[RD2191]

Iggy goes to Houston and GS is going after Gay. No problems, we have Mills.

But but patfo is the best! :cry

[spursistan]

Have to hand it to Morey, most proactive GM in the entire league leaving no stone unturned with a win-now window..

You would have thought that should what RC doing..:(

[TimDunkem]

Warriors wouldn't miss him as much as people think(due to his name, it has more impact than his actual ability), but adding Gay would be a disaster..can't imagine why they would do that, he doesn't fit with their style of play, at all..
All he has to do is run the floor and hit open threes.

[HarlemHeat37]

All he has to do is run the floor and hit open threes.

He's a slow-paced, ball-dominant player who doesn't pass the ball(and coming off an Achilles tear)..

The reason Iguodala fits well is that he's an unselfish, good passer who plays defense..his fit in their system negates his stretches of horrible shooting(he struggled mightily in the playoffs and they still won) where opposing teams dare him to shoot..

[BatManu20]

Redick getting paid.


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[Hoops Czar]

Golden State probably feels Dedmon >>> Iggy at this point.

[r0drig0lac]

Redick to the Sixers

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[LakerHater]

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[TimDunkem]

He's a slow-paced, ball-dominant player who doesn't pass the ball coming off an Achilles tear..

The reason Iguodala fits well is that he's an unselfish, good passer who plays defense..his fit in their system negates his stretches of horrible shooting(he struggled mightily in the playoffs and they still won)..
Can't see Gay staying selfish with that roster. Watch him blossom in his new role. :lol

[raybies]

There's goes a potential Green destination. Starting to look like we'll stand pat

[LakerHater]

Dnt c spurs makin any moves, not even w LaMarcus!

[BatManu20]

...for one year.

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[HarlemHeat37]

Nice signing..hate Redick's game without Paul there(shot 37% from 3 without CP3 and obviously a poor defender), but 1 year deal is harmless..

[raybies]

Houston is desperate. They'll give him 4 years at least and I doubt the Spurs do that. Heck they were gonna give Nene four years...

[TimDunkem]

Houston is desperate. They'll give him 4 years at least and I doubt the Spurs do that. Heck they were gonna give Nene four years...
You mean that guy with one ball who was working LMA and Gasol in the paint? :lol

[objective]

I hated Iguodala on a big free agent deal which is what the coventional wisdom was that it would take to get him.

But on an MLE?

What the hell, that's ridiculous.

[HarlemHeat37]

I hated Iguodala on a big free agent deal which is what the coventional wisdom was that it would take to get him.

But on an MLE?

What the hell, that's ridiculous.

He's not signing with the Spurs for that amount, though, that's what people here don't seem to understand..Livingston was never going to take a cheap deal to join SA, either:lol

Spurs don't have any long-term assets outside of the 29th pick in the 2016 draft and SA is an undesirable location..shouldn't have signed Mills, though, and would be disastrous if they get Gay IMO..

[BatManu20]

Shumpert sucks.

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[LakerHater]

Shumpert for who?

[BatManu20]

Shumpert for who?881250380453093376

[LakerHater]

...to free up money for Korver

[gospursgojas]

Today's NBA- where JJ Redick is a 20 mil a year player

[Nathan89]

Nice signing..hate Redick's game without Paul there(shot 37% from 3 without CP3 and obviously a poor defender), but 1 year deal is harmless..

Redick allows Simmons to be the playmaker/passer he's supposed to be.

[AFBlue]

Could Houston get Iggy AND Shumpert, or is the writing on the wall for Iggy back to GS?

[Nathan89]

Warriors wouldn't miss him as much as people think(due to his name, it has more impact than his actual ability), but adding Gay would be a disaster..can't imagine why they would do that, he doesn't fit with their style of play, at all..

Has little to do with his name. He's been a piece of their best lineup for years.

[CGD]

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Yup, like a S&T of Korver and Osman for Danny Green.

[raybies]

You mean that guy with one ball who was working LMA and Gasol in the paint? :lol
... he has an injury history and he's like 35 ...

[HarlemHeat37]

Has little to do with his name. He's been a piece of their best lineup for years.

So was Harrison Barnes:lol

Iggy was horrible in the playoffs and it didn't affect them..they could replace him with any competent perimeter defender and will still have potent results with their no-C lineup..

Rudy Gay would make them worse, though. .

[raybies]

Spurs waiting for the dust to settle... then see what's left and get the bargains. I hope...

[Nathan89]

So was Harrison Barnes:lol

Iggy was horrible in the playoffs and it didn't affect them..they could replace him with any competent perimeter defender and will still have potent results with their no-C lineup..

Rudy Gay would make them worse, though. .

Barnes was replaced by Durant.

I'm not saying they can't replace him. I'm say his impact isn't being judged by his name but the fact that he's been included in the "death lineup" hype for years.

[GSH]

Warriors to meet with Andre Iguodala, prepared to offer him a three-year deal, per source wp.me/p7ShJJ-jwtL pic.twitter.com/bs8kWZI3oX

[timtonymanu]

Yep Warriors rockets WCF next season. CP0 can finally get there and unlike Lasoftus, won't bitch his way off the team shortly after.

[objective]

Philly is actually being smart about things.

They know the market is much smaller than last summer, much less money to go around. They're not dumb like some teams that make bad deals at 12:01

So they squeezed Redick until he folded like a chair and lunged to sign that ONE YEAR deal before it was snatched away. He's not dumb, he could read the signs.

He probably was asking for 3/75, 4/100, they told him to eat it and take the one year or screw off.

They win.

[AFBlue]

Spurs waiting for the dust to settle... then see what's left and get the bargains. I hope...

I'm betting they play the long game, work possible trades into the season. Like a few years back when everyone expected them to waive RJ and they worked a mid-season trade.

[Seventyniner]

Philly is actually being smart about things.

They know the market is much smaller than last summer, much less money to go around. They're not dumb like some teams that make bad deals at 12:01

So they squeezed Redick until he folded like a chair and lunged to sign that ONE YEAR deal before it was snatched away. He's not dumb, he could read the signs.

He probably was asking for 3/75, 4/100, they told him to eat it and take the one year or screw off.

They win.

They won in the sense that they didn't cave, but I don't see what this deal does for them other than getting them above the salary floor. Why pick now to try and start actually winning?

[LakerHater]

So Hou won't hav money for Iggy... he'll take the 13-15 mill a yr frm gsw

[raybies]

Warriors to meet with Andre Iguodala, prepared to offer him a three-year deal, per source wp.me/p7ShJJ-jwtL pic.twitter.com/bs8kWZI3oX
So now it's Gay or Korver? Meh, bring the crew back. Maybe Phoenix gets desperate after they miss on every 4 lol Denver too

[objective]

They won in the sense that they didn't cave, but I don't see what this deal does for them other than getting them above the salary floor. Why pick now to try and start actually winning?

They win because they didn't lock in years on a player that's declining.

They can pay him what he's worth next summer, when the money going around might be even less and the demand for a 34 year old even worse. But if he gets hurt or declines too much, they can just dump him.

[HarlemHeat37]

Damn, would have been loving this off-season if they hadn't signed Mills to 4 years, tbh..standing pat would have been nice, wait until all the dead weight comes off the books, enjoy watching Kawhi win MVP, Manu's farewell tour and not having to watch Parker until 2018..

The Mills signing killed my excitement, though..

[TimDunkem]

Damn, would have been loving this off-season if they hadn't signed Mills to 4 years, tbh..standing pat would have been nice, wait until all the dead weight comes off the books, enjoy watching Kawhi win MVP, Manu's farewell tour and not having to watch Parker until 2018..

The Mills signing killed my excitement, though..
Should've just developed the young talent instead of throwing around loyalty contracts. :lol Maybe we would've been seeded low enough to get a decent pick for once....Ah, fuck it. RC would just draft some Radoslav Fuckovic from Kosovo and stashed him for 5 years anyway...:lol

[timtonymanu]

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[raybies]

And where's the offers for Dedmon? Who needs a center? If GS signs Iggy can they still sign DD. If Dedmon is affordable I'd resign him and keep him as trade bait if he gets in the doghouse again.

[objective]

Damn, would have been loving this off-season if they hadn't signed Mills to 4 years, tbh..standing pat would have been nice, wait until all the dead weight comes off the books, enjoy watching Kawhi win MVP, Manu's farewell tour and not having to watch Parker until 2018..

The Mills signing killed my excitement, though..

They couldn't even wait it out a few days and give us time to dream either.

They just HAD to lock up Noa---, er, Mozg---, I mean Mills, right at 12:01.

Bring back Jacque Vaughn, Fabricio Oberto, and Michael Finley! Bring back the culture! GO SPURS GO!

[HarlemHeat37]

They couldn't even wait it out a few days and give us time to dream either.

They just HAD to lock up Noa---, er, Mozg---, I mean Mills, right at 12:01.

Bring back Jacque Vaughn, Fabricio Oberto, and Michael Finley! Bring back the culture! GO SPURS GO!

Ya, I guess that Zach Lowe report from a few months ago was correct..he said they already had a deal planned with Mills IIRC..

[mo7888]

Has galinari committed yet?

[gambit1990]

Has galinari committed yet?
i don't think so.

[tbdog]

Should've just developed the young talent instead of throwing around loyalty contracts. :lol Maybe we would've been seeded low enough to get a decent pick for once....Ah, fuck it. RC would just draft some Radoslav Fuckovic from Kosovo and stashed him for 5 years anyway...:lol

They still are. There is plenty of minutes for Murray and Bertans.

[TimDunkem]

They still are. There is plenty of minutes for Murray and Bertans.
Behind Mills, Manu, and LMA, sure.

[tbdog]

Has galinari committed yet?

If we could get galli and chandler or gay in a s&t for lma. Man, our team would look nice. We would play faster. And mills would play to his contract. That's what I think why we snatched mills up. This post up style is not his game. We need to run. Even Murray needs to run. The only issue here is Gasol.

[tbdog]

Behind Mills, Manu, and LMA, sure.

Mills is a 28min player. LMA is a 30min player. Manu is unknown but is a 18min player. There are minutes for them here.

[TimDunkem]

Would've been nicer to see them develop without the has-beens taking their minutes since we're not winning anything anyway.

[marinoman]

I'm curious what are peoples best case scenarios at this point?

[TimDunkem]

I'm curious what are peoples best case scenarios at this point?
2nd round exit without Kawhi hurting himself carrying all the dead weight en-route to his first MVP is the best case scenario at this point.

[tbdog]

Would've been nicer to see them develop without the has-beens taking their minutes since we're not winning anything anyway.

Only because of the dubs. We will be top 4 in the west baring injuries. It's not just about winning titles or tanking.

[TimDunkem]

Only because of the dubs. We will be top 4 in the west baring injuries. It's not just about winning titles or tanking.
Maybe last year. But now we've been passed by in terms of talent by even more teams than the Dubs. And, yeah, if we're not playing for titles now, might as well have not re-upped the has-beens and developed our young talent even more while likely getting a decent pick at the end of it.

[Atl Spur]

Damn, would have been loving this off-season if they hadn't signed Mills to 4 years, tbh..standing pat would have been nice, wait until all the dead weight comes off the books, enjoy watching Kawhi win MVP, Manu's farewell tour and not having to watch Parker until 2018..

The Mills signing killed my excitement, though..

Patty has a deal that is tradeable......... Don't be short sighted.

[HarlemHeat37]

I'm curious what are peoples best case scenarios at this point?

Hope they can re-sign Simmons, hope Parker can't return until February, give Murray 25 MPG, big minutes to Bertrans, get Kawhi the MVP, give Manu a farewell tour and lose in round 2/3..

[marinoman]

2nd round exit without Kawhi hurting himself carrying all the dead weight en-route to his first MVP is the best case scenario at this point.
Nah I meant in free agency at this point.

[HarlemHeat37]

Patty has a deal that is tradeable......... Don't be short sighted.

Patty's deal is fine in a vacuum..it's disappointing when you consider that Parker isn't going anywhere and they already have Murray, though..

[TimDunkem]

Nah I meant in free agency at this point.
40 year old Manu, Gasoft, Adumb Hanger, and Hakeem Milutinov.

[Atl Spur]

Patty's deal is fine in a vacuum..it's disappointing when you consider that Parker isn't going anywhere and they already have Murray, though..

True. They must have some trade up their sleeve though; way to pg heavy

[marinoman]

Hope they can re-sign Simmons, hope Parker can't return until February, give Murray 25 MPG, big minutes to Bertrans, get Kawhi the MVP, give Manu a farewell tour and lose in round 2/3..
Simmons is the only thing, we still want, can get, in free agency huh. The LMA or green trades are gone too...damn

[TD 21]

It's not going to happen, but they should still get involved with Millsap. If Suns, Nuggets or Kings, end up going to 3/$90M, just give him a partially guaranteed 4th, to make him whole or close to it, but lower average annual value. Then do a 3 way sign and trade, where they ship Aldridge to whoever is willing to take him for a 2nd. Hawks can either get that or a trade exception for their troubles.

The way Spurs operate, they're probably not going to have meaningful flexibility in '18 anyway and had Aldridge not wanted out, probably would have given him him 3-4 years at something like $25M. Might as well do it for a better player and cultural fit.

Even though he doesn't time well with Murray, that and the possibility (we hope) of latter's becoming a star, is the only path I see to something of a big 3 anytime soon.

[Chinook]

What's going on right now is pretty close to the scenario I laid out in my TT salary thread: (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266699)

Differences so far is that the tax line is $3 Million lower than projected and that Pau has opted out. Also replace Lee and Dedmon with the LLE and MLE, respectively.

This is what the projected salary chart looks like:



Name
2017-18


LaMarcus Aldridge
$21,461,010


Kawhi Leonard
$18,868,625


Tony Parker
$15,453,126


Patty Mills
$11,160,714


Danny Green
$10,000,000


Kyle Anderson
$2,151,704


Tim Duncan (stretched)
$1,881,250


Milutinov
$1,832,075


Derrick White
$1,697,225


Jonathan Simmons (QO)
$1,676,735


Dejounte Murray
$1,312,611


Davis Bertans
$1,312,611


Bryn Forbes
$1,312,611


Livio Jean-Charles (waived)
$1,035,200


Jaron Blossomegame
$815,615






MLE
$8,406,000


LLE
$3,290,000






Calculated Total
$103,667,112


Luxury Tax:
$119,266,000






Room Under Tax:
$15,598,888




The upshot of this is that the Spurs have $17.3 Million to split between Simmons and Gasol in order to stay under the tax. Assuming Simmons gets a first-year salary of the MLE, Gasol would have to sign a deal with an FYS of $8.87. That puts them in the $18M/2 or $28M/3 range. No using one or both of the exceptions would give the team much-needed breathing room -- especially long-term. But with there still being at least one hole in the rotation, they probably should look for help. They could also continue to stash Milutinov, but I don't think that would make any sense. You don't want to risk him having a good year and pulling a Bogdanovic.

[TimDunkem]

Sac adding two Bogdanovics will be more interesting than anything the Spurs are likely to do this offseason. :lol
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[bklynspursfan]

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[LakerHater]

Sun's out on Milsap

[cjw]

What's going on right now is pretty close to the scenario I laid out in my TT salary thread: (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266699)

Differences so far is that the tax line is $3 Million lower than projected and that Pau has opted out. Also replace Lee and Dedmon with the LLE and MLE, respectively.

This is what the projected salary chart looks like:



Name
2017-18


LaMarcus Aldridge
$21,461,010


Kawhi Leonard
$18,868,625


Tony Parker
$15,453,126


Patty Mills
$11,160,714


Danny Green
$10,000,000


Kyle Anderson
$2,151,704


Tim Duncan (stretched)
$1,881,250


Milutinov
$1,832,075


Derrick White
$1,697,225


Jonathan Simmons (QO)
$1,676,735


Dejounte Murray
$1,312,611


Davis Bertans
$1,312,611


Bryn Forbes
$1,312,611


Livio Jean-Charles (waived)
$1,035,200


Jaron Blossomegame
$815,615






MLE
$8,406,000


LLE
$3,290,000






Calculated Total
$103,667,112


Luxury Tax:
$119,266,000






Room Under Tax:
$15,598,888




The upshot of this is that the Spurs have $17.3 Million to split between Simmons and Gasol in order to stay under the tax. Assuming Simmons gets a first-year salary of the MLE, Gasol would have to sign a deal with an FYS of $8.87. That puts them in the $18M/2 or $28M/3 range. No using one or both of the exceptions would give the team much-needed breathing room -- especially long-term. But with there still being at least one hole in the rotation, they probably should look for help. They could also continue to stash Milutinov, but I don't think that would make any sense. You don't want to risk him having a good year and pulling a Bogdanovic.

If they're up against the tax, they could always either not use the LLE or save $1.3 million by dumping Forbes.

People on here keep thinking about the roster as currently constituted and completely ignore the fact that they'll add at least one useful rotation piece with the MLE.

Also, it could be Hanga on the LLE for all we know.

[TimDunkem]

There goes Phx as a possible landing spot for Softus.

[BatManu20]

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[LakerHater]

Amir Johnson to Philly

[TimDunkem]

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[raybies]

Sun's out on Milsap
They are going young, so there's no spot for LMA now. Maybe Lakers for Randle or my personal fav Zubac. Denver and Miami. Boston not giving anything for LMA and Miami really doesn't have assets.

[raybies]

There goes Phx as a possible landing spot for Softus.
Yup. Sux. They have assets too

[mo7888]

If we could get galli and chandler or gay in a s&t for lma. Man, our team would look nice. We would play faster. And mills would play to his contract. That's what I think why we snatched mills up. This post up style is not his game. We need to run. Even Murray needs to run. The only issue here is Gasol.

It would help...i prefer Galinari then Chandler...im not high in gay though because of the injury he's trying to come back from.

[LakerHater]

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[TimDunkem]

Only going to make at least 3 mill more than bow-legged Green. :lol

[mo7888]

One tweet about Phoenix 'going young' doesn't mean much on day 1 of FA

[raybies]

So Amir got 11 in Philly. Should be an idea of Dedmons market right now. He should be an MLE guy in my estimation or a little more. Might be affordable if nothing else pans out. That's a steal for a starting big.

[Chinook]

If they're up against the tax, they could always either not use the LLE or save $1.3 million by dumping Forbes.

People on here keep thinking about the roster as currently constituted and completely ignore the fact that they'll add at least one useful rotation piece with the MLE.

Also, it could be Hanga on the LLE for all we know.

Issue with dumping Forbes is that he's a two-year vet, so any min deal replacing him counts as the same for cap purposes.

Actually Blossomgame's salary might have to be bumped up in tax calculations too. I don't remember the rule about that.

[Chinook]

So Amir got 11 in Philly. Should be an idea of Dedmons market right now. He should be an MLE guy in my estimation or a little more. Might be affordable if nothing else pans out. That's a steal for a starting big.

And that's a one-year deal. The full MLE is a much more tempting offer for a mid-career big like Dewanye.

[TimDunkem]

So Amir got 11 in Philly. Should be an idea of Dedmons market right now. He should be an MLE guy in my estimation or a little more. Might be affordable if nothing else pans out. That's a steal for a starting big.
He's not coming back for Pop to just bench him in favor of Gasoft again. :lol

[SAGirl]

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-curry-griffin-warriors-early-winners-pacers-spurs-on-losing-end/ (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-curry-griffin-warriors-early-winners-pacers-spurs-on-losing-end/)Considered losers on Day 1? of course.

[raybies]

He's not coming back for Pop to just bench him in favor of Gasoft again. :lol
He said after the season he'd be open to returning. It's pops decision

[raybies]

And that's a one-year deal. The full MLE is a much more tempting offer for a mid-career big like Dewanye.
Exactly. Good point.

[tbdog]

Sun's out on Milsap

And not interested in LMA.

[TimDunkem]

He said after the season he'd be open to returning. It's pops decision
Then goodbye, Dedmon. :lol

[BatManu20]

Nene out


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[BatManu20]

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Complete waste of his prime if he goes to DEN.

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[duncan2150]

What's going on right now is pretty close to the scenario I laid out in my TT salary thread: (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266699)

Differences so far is that the tax line is $3 Million lower than projected and that Pau has opted out. Also replace Lee and Dedmon with the LLE and MLE, respectively.

This is what the projected salary chart looks like:



Name
2017-18


LaMarcus Aldridge
$21,461,010


Kawhi Leonard
$18,868,625


Tony Parker
$15,453,126


Patty Mills
$11,160,714


Danny Green
$10,000,000


Kyle Anderson
$2,151,704


Tim Duncan (stretched)
$1,881,250


Milutinov
$1,832,075


Derrick White
$1,697,225


Jonathan Simmons (QO)
$1,676,735


Dejounte Murray
$1,312,611


Davis Bertans
$1,312,611


Bryn Forbes
$1,312,611


Livio Jean-Charles (waived)
$1,035,200


Jaron Blossomegame
$815,615






MLE
$8,406,000


LLE
$3,290,000






Calculated Total
$103,667,112


Luxury Tax:
$119,266,000






Room Under Tax:
$15,598,888




The upshot of this is that the Spurs have $17.3 Million to split between Simmons and Gasol in order to stay under the tax. Assuming Simmons gets a first-year salary of the MLE, Gasol would have to sign a deal with an FYS of $8.87. That puts them in the $18M/2 or $28M/3 range. No using one or both of the exceptions would give the team much-needed breathing room -- especially long-term. But with there still being at least one hole in the rotation, they probably should look for help. They could also continue to stash Milutinov, but I don't think that would make any sense. You don't want to risk him having a good year and pulling a Bogdanovic.

We have to count mills new salary and not His cap hold now ?

[BatManu20]

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[TimDunkem]

Det culture. :cry

[cjw]

Issue with dumping Forbes is that he's a two-year vet, so any min deal replacing him counts as the same for cap purposes.

Actually Blossomgame's salary might have to be bumped up in tax calculations too. I don't remember the rule about that.

But won't they have enough players under contract?

Kawhi, Green, LMA, Bertans, Murray, Parker, Anderson, Mills = 8

MLE, LLE, White, Blossomgate, Gasol = 13

Add in Miluntov and Simmons and you're full. I don't see Forbes on roster if it gets filled out otherwise.



We have to count mills new salary and not His cap hold now ?

Not now. But Chinook is calculating for the luxury tax.

[Chinook]

We have to count mills new salary and not His cap hold now ?

For tax purposes, yes.

[Chinook]

But won't they have enough players under contract?

Kawhi, Green, LMA, Bertans, Murray, Parker, Anderson, Mills = 8

MLE, LLE, White, Blossomgate, Gasol = 13

Add in Miluntov and Simmons and you're full. I don't see Forbes on roster if it gets filled out otherwise.

... I knew there was something wrong with that roster numbers. Yes, that would be pure savings.

[cjw]

... I knew there was something wrong with that roster numbers. Yes, that would be pure savings.

But you put it together on a site where 95% of posts don't understand 5% of the salary cap.

You think Blossomgate is a two-way contract potentially? And do those get counted he same way against the cap/tax?

[Chinook]

But you put it together on a site where 95% of posts don't understand 5% of the salary cap.

Still a work in progress, though. I'll update the TT thread once he get some final numbers in.


You think Blossomgate is a two-way contract potentially? And do those get counted he same way against the cap/tax?

Two-ways don't factor into the cap at all. Not sure about the tax, but I would assume they are exempt there too. I am not sure if Blossomgame is a two-way guy. I'd say he's that at least, and it's not obvious he'd be a hot free agent if he were cut. But I don't think he'd accept a two-way deal out of the gate unless that was a condition for him to be drafted. Seems like a guy who can at get some call-ups if he were relegated to the d-league via cut.

[LakerHater]

Is Alex Lin under contract w suns?

[BatManu20]

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[raybies]

No talk of Tyreke? Value deal maybe

[Atl Spur]

So..........are the warriors dumb for signing iggy? Don't be hypocrites for the sake of being hypocrites ����

[SAGirl]

Mills is a 28min player. LMA is a 30min player. Manu is unknown but is a 18min player. There are minutes for them here. You have to account for Anderson. I know he's not the cup of tea of many here... but he played well when it counted and he's not going to be bench fodder in a contract season.

[timtonymanu]

So..........are the warriors dumb for signing iggy? Don't be hypocrites for the sake of being hypocrites ����

Um no. Doesn't affect them anyway even if he doesn't re-sign there. Warriors front office >>>>>>> Spurs front office the last few years.

[TheGreatYacht]

You have to account for Anderson. I know he's not the cup of tea of many here... but he played well when it counted and he's not going to be bench fodder in a contract season.
He has to earn his minutes, they are not given. By your own words.

"Simmons has to show he deserves a roster spot, much less increased minutes. Not sure he makes it over Garino" -- you, last offseason.

[Atl Spur]

Um no. Doesn't affect them anyway even if he doesn't re-sign there. Warriors front office >>>>>>> Spurs front office the last few years.

Ok........so they're going into the luxury tax because it's cool??? Gotcha.

[Hoops Czar]

You have to account for Anderson. I know he's not the cup of tea of many here... but he played well when it counted and he's not going to be bench fodder in a contract season.

Don't you worry sweet pea, RC Buford is saving his remaining pennies so he can ruin what little cap space the Spurs will have going into 2018 by overpaying this little nugget charmed with upside. :lol :toast

[SAGirl]

He has to earn his minutes, they are not given. By your own words. "Simmons has to show he deserves a roster spot, much less increased minutes. Not sure he makes it over Garino" -- you, last offseason. heh... he did earn it in the playoffs IMO. Simmons earned himself a contract. The way he was playing in preseason he hardly looked like a rotation player... lol but wow you have way too much investment on this forum

[Mal]

So off project 45-50mil in cap space next year, we will have 12,5 mil for Mills, whatever Gasol will have, whatever Parker will have, Simmons, Anderson if resigned ? Holy fucking shit.

[BatManu20]

I remember a lot of Spurfan wanting this guy last year :lol


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[TheGreatYacht]

heh... he did earn it in the playoffs IMO. Simmons earned himself a contract. The way he was playing in preseason he hardly looked like a rotation player... lol but wow you have way too much investment on this forum
15k posts in a year. You're one to talk.

[SAGirl]

But won't they have enough players under contract? Kawhi, Green, LMA, Bertans, Murray, Parker, Anderson, Mills = 8 MLE, LLE, White, Blossomgate, Gasol = 13 Add in Miluntov and Simmons and you're full. I don't see Forbes on roster if it gets filled out otherwise. I don't even see Manu and/or Hanga in your list ... which can explain the tweet of why Hanga would only join the team if Manu retired. They could always make Blossomgate or Forbes a 2 way contract and Milutinov may not be scheduled to join the team this summer.

[Hoops Czar]

So off project 45-50mil in cap space next year, we will have 12,5 mil for Mills, whatever Gasol will have, whatever Parker will have, Simmons, Anderson if resigned ? Holy fucking shit.

:lmao

[SAGirl]

15k posts in a year. You're one to talk. it hasn't been in one year... and I don't care enough to keep track of ppl like you do lol shouldn't even bother with you TGY. you are so obvious.

[TheGreatYacht]

:lmao
:lol

[TimDunkem]

So off project 45-50mil in cap space next year, we will have 12,5 mil for Mills, whatever Gasol will have, whatever Parker will have, Simmons, Anderson if resigned ? Holy fucking shit.
Kawhi deserves so much fucking better. smfh

[freemeat]

The Western Conference is getting nasty. We gotta get rid of LMA before his value sinks anymore.

[TD 21]

If they're up against the tax, they could always either not use the LLE or save $1.3 million by dumping Forbes.

People on here keep thinking about the roster as currently constituted and completely ignore the fact that they'll add at least one useful rotation piece with the MLE.

Also, it could be Hanga on the LLE for all we know.

:lmao MLE. Still being an apologist, I see. They've needed a marked upgrade in the back court for 3 years and once again failed to attain it. Now, they're overloaded on the perimeter and if they even spend most or all of it on an external free agent, it'll just go to a Dedmon replacement, like Reed. That's not moving the needle in the least.

I know many are just casual fans, but I still can't believe how many were and remain fooled by last season's fools gold 61 wins and game 1 of the WCF . They were about as unimpressive and unconvincing as a 60 win team could possibly be and were fortunate with late game luck and the lack of multi star teams. The latter has already changed.

[TimDunkem]

Love how people complained about this being a one man team all season last year, but 3 quarters of playing well against a rusty GS suddenly means we're going to perpetually be in the mix to win. :lmao

[rastaspur]

15k posts in a year. You're one to talk.

Decent counters by tgy. Got her on the ropes.

Not a fair fight though. She doesn't have that "nasty" as pop says. Seems too nice to win a street fight or mudslinging contest.

We have butted heads for sure. But I give it to ya. You got that nastiness.