Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[Dex]

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:lmao..

:lmao KD has got to be the most mentally weak superstar in history. Getting trolled by some white girl and getting in a slapfight on Twitter.

[look_at_g_shred]

:lmao KD has got to be the most mentally weak superstar in history. Getting trolled by some white girl and getting in a slapfight on Twitter.
I like how the title for this article on bleacher report says" Don't mess with KD" as if he 'won' the argument.

[sasaint]

Stalemate. But surely you agree that PG + the 2 pick would make them better?

I watched teams overlook the Lakers, come in and play like absolute dog shit, and the Lakers STILL forced their way to a loss. And .500 teams get overlooked all the time. They opened up the season 10-10, and teams weren't totally overlooking them then - and that's when they got really serious about tanking. But the biggest thing is that they literally didn't play defense.

Unfortunately for my argument, dumping Lou Williams is probably the biggest argument against my idea that they plan to get better in the near future. Well... that and the fact that Jerry West wanted to come back to LAla land, and they flipped him off and said "No thanks". I like Magic, and respect what he did as a player. I have my doubts about him running operations.

They won't be playing in a vacuum. Looking at the other teams in the West, they could wind up around .500 and be the 9 or 10 team. But there are a couple of teams like Portland, Memphis, and maybe even the Clippers (if West takes a 2-3 year approach to improve) that could fall to around .500 also. Then you're looking at the flip-flop of just a few RS games between 7 and 9.

Last year's Lakers struck me the same way they struck you. That team plus PG would be a playoff contender. But what they really need is a good veteran point guard/floor general/locker room leader. Young teams tend to need an experienced leader who has good playoff experience if not a ring in order to show the young guns how it's done, keep them calm in tense game situations, etc. The "other" George, the one the Spurs actually did trade would be a good guy for this Lakers team, for example.

[DPG21920]

Stalemate. But surely you agree that PG + the 2 pick would make them better?

I watched teams overlook the Lakers, come in and play like absolute dog shit, and the Lakers STILL forced their way to a loss. And .500 teams get overlooked all the time. They opened up the season 10-10, and teams weren't totally overlooking them then - and that's when they got really serious about tanking. But the biggest thing is that they literally didn't play defense.

Unfortunately for my argument, dumping Lou Williams is probably the biggest argument against my idea that they plan to get better in the near future. Well... that and the fact that Jerry West wanted to come back to LAla land, and they flipped him off and said "No thanks". I like Magic, and respect what he did as a player. I have my doubts about him running operations.

They won't be playing in a vacuum. Looking at the other teams in the West, they could wind up around .500 and be the 9 or 10 team. But there are a couple of teams like Portland, Memphis, and maybe even the Clippers (if West takes a 2-3 year approach to improve) that could fall to around .500 also. Then you're looking at the flip-flop of just a few RS games between 7 and 9.

For sure it would make them better assuming they nail the pick and actually develop the players properly. Luckily, Kobe is gone and the cancerous environment along with him. It really hurt their young players between poor coaching, all the losing and the selfish play from Kobe/management.

It's not good that they had so many top 5 picks and none of them seem to be anywhere near a 2nd or 3rd option on a good team (which can still happen, but does not seem likely).

Getting PG would obviously help but they are so far away from being even a playoff team, let alone consistently a threat again IMO. And that is if things go right with Magic drafting and Free Agency.

[DPG21920]

And no matter how you look at it, you need 41 wins in the West to be the 8th seed. At least. I'm not sure how close PG is to getting them there all things considered. Obviously they should do that move and it's a no brainer; that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying there is still a lot that LA has to prove before I will call them even a playoff threat.

[GSH]

And no matter how you look at it, you need 41 wins in the West to be the 8th seed. At least. I'm not sure how close PG is to getting them there all things considered. Obviously they should do that move and it's a no brainer; that's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying there is still a lot that LA has to prove before I will call them even a playoff threat.



LOL... I can't argue with that. "In the hunt" is as far as I went with it. :toast

I think LA is perfect for George. He gets to be the clear alpha, and he gets to inherit the Laker mystique instead of earning it on his own. I think those young LA players are better than they get credit for, and better than they have looked. Yeah, first the Kobe cancer - then the ridiculous tank (and they all understood the mission). The problem is, I think they could play around .500 this season, and Magic could have them back down in the 20-win area within a season or two, trying to hit home runs.

One more thing we'll just have to wait and see.

[DPG21920]

Interesting perspective on the value from a Laker perspective of trading for PG. Everyone (myself included) knows that PG weakened IND bargaining position, however, there is still some leverage there for LA to engage in trades now. Can you really risk losing PG to CLE or SA or BOS because you think you can get him for "free"? Especially after how your franchise has been in shambles and embarrassed in free agency so badly lately?

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[DPG21920]

LOL... I can't argue with that. "In the hunt" is as far as I went with it. :toast

I think LA is perfect for George. He gets to be the clear alpha, and he gets to inherit the Laker mystique instead of earning it on his own. I think those young LA players are better than they get credit for, and better than they have looked. Yeah, first the Kobe cancer - then the ridiculous tank (and they all understood the mission). The problem is, I think they could play around .500 this season, and Magic could have them back down in the 20-win area within a season or two, trying to hit home runs.

One more thing we'll just have to wait and see.

Oh for sure. The upside is there (although I disagree about the quality of Russell and Randle, Ingram still not sure). But if they develop and other FA flock to LA? Sure, they could be a threat. Just dont see that as likely, but it's possible. I think they are probably a couple years out from playoffs if they land PG assuming some other crazy stuff doesn't happen in FA and other teams dont fall off a cliff.

[GSH]

Interesting perspective on the value from a Laker perspective of trading for PG. Everyone (myself included) knows that PG weakened IND bargaining position, however, there is still some leverage there for LA to engage in trades now. Can you really risk losing PG to CLE or SA or BOS because you think you can get him for "free"? Especially after how your franchise has been in shambles and embarrassed in free agency so badly lately?

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My first thought was, "Wow... that's a good graphic. I'm not a huge fan of WS, but it's like every other stat - you have to have context. In that context, it makes sense.

Then I started thinking about it. Who is picking all those 2 seed players? Mostly, shitty teams with shitty FO's. Some years, there is a clear #1 pick. And those years, even the shitty GM's hit home runs. But the #2 slot is almost never that obvious. And the teams making those decisions are some of the ones least able to get it right. That outcome really isn't as surprising as I first thought.

Bottom line, the 2 pick is worth a lot more in the hands of a competent FO. Based on that, the Lakers should absolutely take a sure thing in Paul George, instead of taking the risk with the pick.

[DPG21920]

While IND positioned is weakened there is still incentive for LA to make a good deal. Just getting bird rights for Paul George is so massive. Instead of using majority of your cap space on PG, you can sign another max player, then PG using Bird Rights. It's a big deal.

[TheGreatYacht]

Paul George trade package:

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Who says no?

[DPG21920]

But, like Woj said, so far LAL has not shown any inclination that they are willing to trade anything of note for PG since he wants to come to SA. Certainly not the #2 pick.

But there is reason to consider a strong package like I said. It's just a matter of will they and how much do they think PG wants to come to LA no matter where hes traded.

If you truly believe he's coming no matter what you let another team pay for him, get weakened and then he comes to you. If you aren't sure though, might have to pay up.

But how much do you pay and what do you think PG does to help you become a playoff team? If you don't believe, especially after giving up assets, that PG makes you a legit playoff team, how motivated are you to get him in this type of situation?

[GSH]

Who says no?


It could happen.

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[SAGirl]

While IND positioned is weakened there is still incentive for LA to make a good deal. Just getting bird rights for Paul George is so massive. Instead of using majority of your cap space on PG, you can sign another max player, then PG using Bird Rights. It's a big deal.
Yes makes sense. That's what I was saying that just getting PG, plus the players they already have may give them incentive to sign another star, even a second tier star who would never consider them while they were tanking on purpose. Anyways, this is Magics ticket.

[TheGreatYacht]

It could happen.

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:lmao tbh

[Chinook]

Paul George trade package:

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Who says no?

The NBA.

[RD2191]

What's going through Kawhi's mind if the Cavs/Celts land PG13 and the Spurs bring back the same team going into next season? That can't sit well with him TBH.

[DPG21920]

I will say there is a level of relatively open collusion/tampering I have not seen before. Magic openly talking about PG, PG "working out with Kobe", PG announcing he wants LA etc.

My gut says LA let's pg weaken another team for one year or offers mininmal stuff for pg bc it seems damn likely he goes to la with this collusion.

Hopefully IND doesn't help la out by giving them PGs bird rights

[tholdren]

What's going through Kawhi's mind if the Cavs/Celts land PG13 and the Spurs bring back the same team going into next season? That can't sit well with him TBH.

Probably the same thing voing through his mind every other offseason. Real #1s relish the chance to beat teams that are hyped or viewed as better on paper. KL is not KD, so it just makes him more motivated. Take note ledouche

[TheGreatYacht]

What's going through Kawhi's mind if the Cavs/Celts land PG13 and the Spurs bring back the same team going into next season? That can't sit well with him TBH.
Will probably start packing his bags, and I wouldn't blame him. Poop and Buford will retire instantly as soon as he leaves so they don't get exposed as frauds.

[SPURt]

It looks like Iggy could draw a hefty price:
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-andre-iguodalas-free-agency-put-future-warriors-doubt-153941238.html

I wonder if a team doesn't over pay simply to hurt GS? Any talent from the Warriors, even if Iggy is 33, helps the whole league. I'm just hoping it's not the Spurs that fall on that sword.

[SAGirl]

Glad for him. He's 33, already got two rings one finals MVP and isn't going to get any of the glory from now on. Go get paid Iggy. Get your last big check. :turn

Thanks for sharing. Manu was offered 15-17 million last season at 39, and Dwade looks worse than Iggy and got paid. Get your money dude.

[BatManu20]

Pacers tanking confirmed.

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[RD2191]

Will probably start packing his bags, and I wouldn't blame him. Poop and Buford will retire instantly as soon as he leaves so they don't get exposed as frauds.

:lol TBH

[SAGirl]

Also.... aside from Iggy, Livingston and Ian Clark will be FA. I am impressed by Clarks shooting and he's better off the dribble than Patty. If I am Pop, I'd be calling him.... but I am not Pop..... lol

[look_at_g_shred]

Clippers trying to trade for Paul George.

[BatManu20]

Clippers trying to trade for Paul George.

Along with the rest of the league, tbh.

[BatManu20]

If/when this happens, CP3 re-signs with the Clips immediately tbh.

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[Chinook]

If/when this happens, CP3 re-signs with the Clips immediately tbh.

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But does Blake re-sign?

[BatManu20]

But does Blake re-sign?

I think he would certainly have to be part of the sign-and-trade for PG. But I don't see the Pacers doing that, personally. I feel like they could get better assets from another team. But they're in a tough spot with PG set to leave so they might just take what they can get. Who knows.

[Chinook]

I think he would certainly have to be part of the sign-and-trade for PG. But I don't see the Pacers doing that, personally. I feel like they could get better assets from another team. But they're in a tough spot with PG set to leave so they might just take what they can get. Who knows.

I don't see any way the Clips could be above, say 25th in terms of best offers. Doc has ruined them.

[SAGirl]

If/when this happens, CP3 re-signs with the Clips immediately tbh.

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Scary team. Spurs have to do something to get in these sweepstakes.

Keeping Pau, Lamarcus, injured Tony, injured Lee, and reupping Manu cannot be Pop's off season... with a large measure of paying Simmons for a few hot games and Mills for being a tiny turnstile on defense and a srtreaky, faulty microwave. (But he's a good teammate!!!).

Meanwhile peeps throwing in Kyle in shifty trades for free who is 23 years old, his best basketball yet ahead if him, and who got 20, 7, 2, 4 in 26 minutes against the Warriors in an elimination game on good efficiency... this cannot be Spurs off season.

[BatManu20]

I don't see any way the Clips could be above, say 25th in terms of best offers. Doc has ruined them.

Blake would have to agree to that too, which I seriously doubt he would.

[Chinook]

Blake would have to agree to that too, which I seriously doubt he would.

I don't even think Redick would.

[TheGreatYacht]

Scary team. Spurs have to do something to get in these sweepstakes.

Keeping Pau, Lamarcus, injured Tony, injured Lee, and reupping Manu cannot be Pop's off season... with a large measure of paying Simmons for a few hot games and Mills for being a tiny turnstile on defense and a srtreaky, faulty microwave. (But he's a good teammate!!!).

Meanwhile peeps throwing in Kyle in shifty trades for free who is 23 years old, his best basketball yet ahead if him, and who got 20, 6, 4, 2 against the Warriors in an elimination game on good efficiency... this cannot be Spurs off season.
So you wanna get rid of everyone except Fathead, Kawhi, Murray, and Green? Funny lol

Fathead is on an expiring contract, so we're better off trading him now since you're against paying role players

[Chinook]

So you wanna get rid of everyone except Fathead, Kawhi, Murray, and Green? Funny lol

Fathead is on an expiring contract, so we're better off trading him now since you're against paying role players

Kyle's gonna be the new HOTS, though. Gotta max him out.

[HarlemHeat37]

If the Lakers don't make a serious offer, Magic probably already knows he's going there, tbh..NBA is funny about tampering:lol this is as obvious as it gets, man was on Jimmy Kimmel essentially admitting that he's going to the Lakers..

[sasaint]

Pacers tanking confirmed.

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The Beard 2.0? :lol

[SAGirl]

So you wanna get rid of everyone except Fathead, Kawhi, Murray, and Green? Funny lol

Fathead is on an expiring contract, so we're better off trading him now since you're against paying role players
He's cheap right now, but I would no mind if he's extended. Gotta lock him up b4 he's more expensive next season :toast:hat I like Bertans too... actually FYI

[Emperor]

Wonder if the Bulls will accept Aldridge/Green/Kyle for Butler? Dude is making only $17mil a season which is a damn bargain nowadays for a player like him.

[Chinook]

Wonder if the Bulls will accept Aldridge/Green/Kyle for Butler? Dude is making only $17mil a season which is a damn bargain nowadays for a player like him.

I'd rather trade that for whatever Boston is going to end up giving them for Butler.

[SAGirl]

Wonder if the Bulls will accept Aldridge/Green/Kyle for Butler? Dude is making only $17mil a season which is a damn bargain nowadays for a player like him.
No. They are looking at packages of picks atm from what I have seen.

[spursistan]

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Iggy would be stupid to turn down $20M :lol..

[cd021]

It looks like Iggy could draw a hefty price:
https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-andre-iguodalas-free-agency-put-future-warriors-doubt-153941238.html

I wonder if a team doesn't over pay simply to hurt GS? Any talent from the Warriors, even if Iggy is 33, helps the whole league. I'm just hoping it's not the Spurs that fall on that sword.

I think Minny might offer him $20 million per, I saw somewhere that GSW was planning on offering him $8-12 per.
Hopefully he leaves and someone poaches Livingston.

[HarlemHeat37]

Why would the Bulls want 2 win-now players and an average prospect, tbh?

[HarlemHeat37]

Would be shocked if Iggy left, tbh..Warriors have the best culture and front office in the league, doesn't seem like a nigga that would chase the $..

Nice to see that teams may offer him big $ just to fuck with the Warriors, though..teams need to work together to bring them down, it's the only way..

[Emperor]

I'd rather trade that for whatever Boston is going to end up giving them for Butler.

I'm hoping Bradley/Crowder will be included then, especially if they're planning on adding Hayward to the Celts aswell.

[SAGirl]

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Iggy would be stupid to turn down $20M :lol..
Hmm frankly I saw that and I thought Simmons is getting at least 10 million... defense and playmaking is kinda his niche bc he's a streaky shooter and streaky scorer but his athleticism will allow him to make plays for others l like Iggy. If I am Jsimms agent I'd get him paid. Lol

[SAGirl]

Would be shocked if Iggy left, tbh..Warriors have the best culture and front office in the league, doesn't seem like a nigga that would chase the $..

Nice to see that teams may offer him big $ just to fuck with the Warriors, though..teams need to work together to bring them down, it's the only way..
Needs to get the F-O of there. Some woman has to sell him on the good life $. Let's send him a Kardashian or something.:downspin:

[TheGreatYacht]

He's cheap right now, but I would no mind if he's extended. Gotta lock him up b4 he's more expensive next season :toast:hat I like Bertans too... actually FYI
You want to let go of Mills & Simmons because they're role players, but want to pay Fathead who is a garbage time player (notch below a role player) Why?

[duncan2150]

Hmm frankly I saw that and I thought Simmons is getting at least 10 million... defense and playmaking is kinda his niche bc he's a streaky shooter and streaky scorer but his athleticism will allow him to make plays for others l like Iggy. If I am Jsimms agent I'd get him paid. Lol

Simmons couldn't get more than 8.4 mo per year i think no ?

[GSH]

Clippers trying to trade for Paul George.

Along with the rest of the league, tbh.


The Clippers will have Jerry West to help convince him. Don't underestimate that. He'll be telling PG that he's going to quickly assemble the next powerhouse team, and that he (George) will be a big part of it. West understands players, and PG's ego. The Clippers have a better chance of something like that than they did just a few weeks ago.

[marinoman]

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didnt espn let him go as part of mass layoffs? He still puts espn in his name

[BatManu20]

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[spursistan]

LOL...Meanwhile Kawhi still has Lamarsha as his sidekick :lmao..

Folks here not wanting Chris Paul in an NBA equivalent of arms race :lol..

[TimDunkem]

LOL...Meanwhile Kawhi still has Lamarsha as his sidekick :lmao..
Spurs FO would prefer to save face and try to win with LA instead of either trading him or finding additional help.

[Emperor]

LeBron telling Cavs he wants to go to SA so they're finding his replacement first imo.:king

[DPG21920]

If the Lakers don't make a serious offer, Magic probably already knows he's going there, tbh..NBA is funny about tampering:lol this is as obvious as it gets, man was on Jimmy Kimmel essentially admitting that he's going to the Lakers..

Still would be a big mistake. Having to use cap space with LA's setup is no good. You need his bird rights to sign another FA and then PG.

[objective]

LOL...Meanwhile Kawhi still has Lamarsha as his sidekick :lmao..

Folks here not wanting Chris Paul in an NBA equivalent of arms race :lol..

Exactly.

Every other team making moves to get better, but still so many Spurs fans response is:

"Let's bring everyone back! Pay Patty! Pau is vital! Don't forget how good Tony was when he wasn't awful! He said he's coming back better than EVER!"

[DPG21920]

Exactly.

Every other team making moves to get better, but still so many Spurs fans response is:

"Let's bring everyone back! Pay Patty! Pau is vital! Don't forget how good Tony was when he wasn't awful! He said he's coming back better than EVER!"

I've literally not seen any Spurs fans say that :lol. Some are saying you don't have to do anything drastic just for the sake of doing it. Especially when in just one more year SA has a ton of flexibility.

Big difference in the picture you are trying to paint Picasso

[tonight...you]

Spurs FO would prefer to save face and try to win with LA instead of either trading him or finding additional help.
I believe the Spurs want to look like a "family" that doesn't betray their own and trading their first HUGE FA signing, who signed to be near his son and granny, would offset that myth.
Like LA saying they signed Kobe to that stupid shit-eating contract to say "they take of their own", but without as much hypocrisy.

Like falling on their own sword, and they probably don't have to.
The Parker issue is even worse, unless they go the business route, which they won't, imo.

[TD 21]

LOL...Meanwhile Kawhi still has Lamarsha as his sidekick :lmao..

Folks here not wanting Chris Paul in an NBA equivalent of arms race :lol..

People seem to have this misguided idea that Spurs can just pull stars out of their ass, because of Ginobili, Parker and Leonard, far exceeding expectations and recently signing Aldridge and to a lesser extent Gasol. As intriguing as Murray is, he's nowhere near a sure fire prospect and they'd be fools to chance a good portion of Leonard's prime on his becoming a star. Even if he does, he doesn't time well with Aldridge and that still probably wouldn't be enough.

I know Paul was still young in '11, but imagine Clippers not being interested because they had Bledsoe. You don't pass up elite talent, especially at position of need and in this era, where it's more than likely going to require being a historic team to win a championship.

Spurs aren't lucking into legendary core and outsmarting everyone anymore, either in front office or on court. Sure, it was more special to do it that way, but if they want another legit shot(s), they need to keep up with the Joneses.

[TimDunkem]

I believe the Spurs want to look like a "family" that doesn't betray their own and trading their first HUGE FA signing, who signed to be near his son and granny, would offset that myth. Like LA saying they signed Kobe to that stupid shit-eating contract to say "they take of their own", but without as much hypocrisy.

Like falling on their own sword, and they probably don't have to.
The Parker issue is even worse, unless they go the business route, which they won't, imo.
No doubt. That's exactly what I think the Spurs are doing. Next year will be much of the same with mostly the same supporting cast. All because the Spurs are a "family".

[spursistan]

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It may be more than a belief however, as Adrian Wojnarowski appeared on The Chris Mannix Show and said that George’s camp is flat out telling teams that regardless of who trades for him, George will be going to the Lakers in 2018:

“Teams are trying to decide what’s the appropriate cost for a player who they’re being told, pretty adamantly by Paul George’s camp, will be a rental. No matter who you are, no matter who has checked in or who potentially will check in, they’re gonna be told that Paul George is gonna play the season out and then he’s gonna go to the Lakers, that that’s his plan.”

Why even bother with this Kobe wannabe at this point?

[objective]

I've literally not seen any Spurs fans say that :lol. Some are saying you don't have to do anything drastic just for the sake of doing it. Especially when in just one more year SA has a ton of flexibility.

Big difference in the picture you are trying to paint Picasso

Anyone who wants to pay Patty is for more of the same and less flexibility in the future. Even then, flexibility for what? The class of 2018? Big prizes there's, no doubt.

Anyone who thinks that the pro-Paul pursuers are wanting drastic change 'just for the sake​ of it' are missing the big picture.

[DPG21920]

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Why even bother with this Kobe wannabe at this point?

Because, there is a price worth paying even if it's for one year. I legit think Pau + #29 + a 2nd rounder might be the best offer they get and SA should absoultely do that.

Lakers should be offering their 28th pick + Russell or Clarkson at a minimum to get this deal done.

Just don't trade him to LA unless it's for 2 young players or the 2nd pick please.

[tonight...you]

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Why even bother with this Kobe wannabe at this point?
I respect his desire to play for who the hell he WANTS to play for, but yeah, you're right.

[GSH]

Because, there is a price worth paying even if it's for one year. I legit think Pau + #29 + a 2nd rounder might be the best offer they get and SA should absoultely do that.

Not only yeah, but hell yeah. Acquire him with his Bird rights intact, and the opportunity to convince him to stay and team up with Kawhi? We can dream.

If he insists on leaving for the Lakers the next year? Well - the Spurs would be in pretty much the same shape they would be in anyway.

[DPG21920]

Not only yeah, but hell yeah. Acquire him with his Bird rights intact, and the opportunity to convince him to stay and team up with Kawhi? We can dream.

If he insists on leaving for the Lakers the next year? Well - the Spurs would be in pretty much the same shape they would be in anyway.

Exactly - instead of having pau for one year (when you know you probably won't resign him) you have PG there and the hope you can convince him. If not, you're minus the same net player anyways and the 29th pick which is normally not a player that does much anyways.

It does not set you back today or later at all really. But would IND do that deal over getting Randle/Russell and LA's 28th? I don't know.

Or will some team give more talent up than SA or a better pick? Can absoultely see that.

[marinoman]

David griffin out as cavs gm
billups as front runner for replacement according to woj

[noles1983]

You mean the WCF Spurs? Those turds?

yup. those exact ones. The ones that only get to the WCF because 90% of NBA teams are even shittier. BUt hey, if you like getting ass whipped by GS and the absolute ceiling being WCF, then enjoy.

[bic50]

yup. those exact ones. The ones that only get to the WCF because 90% of NBA teams are even shittier. BUt hey, if you like getting ass whipped by GS and the absolute ceiling being WCF, then enjoy.
Smh

[noles1983]

Smh

dont worry, 78 year old turnobli will probably be back. So you can enjoy an older version of last years team.

[cd98]

I don't think PG likes Kawhi. There was a debate about who was better and then there wasn't a debate anymore. I think PG has a chip on his shoulder that everyone says Kawhi is better.

[CGD]

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Why even bother with this Kobe wannabe at this point?

dont get why he insists on self sabotage. What if he gets hurt? What if Lakers low ball him?

[BatManu20]

Cavs completely cleaning house.. Three days before the draft, and after 3 straight years to the Finals... this is nuts.

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[BatManu20]

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[RD2191]

Is there anything the cavs can offer that the Spurs can't?

[cd98]

Is there anything the cavs can offer that the Spurs can't?

Kevin Love

[DPG21920]

Is there anything the cavs can offer that the Spurs can't?

CD98 has it right. Now matter how much ST wants to crap on Love he's proven to be a damn good player. Even in a tough role, he's done really well on a B2B finals team.

He's played defense better than most thought he could, is an elite shooter and rebounder and plays tough.

[RD2191]

CD98 has it right. Now matter how much ST wants to crap on Love he's proven to be a damn good player. Even in a tough role, he's done really well on a B2B finals team.

He's played defense better than most thought he could, is an elite shooter and rebounder and plays tough.

You wouldn't trade LMA for PG?

[DPG21920]

You wouldn't trade LMA for PG?

Hell no. Not in these circumstances with very little chance to re-sign him. If PG said he would sign with SA then absolutely. But that is not the case.

[SAGirl]

You want to let go of Mills & Simmons because they're role players, but want to pay Fathead who is a garbage time player (notch below a role player) Why?
To troll you. :-) For such a relentless hate troll you do not recognize sarcasm tbh :downspin:

[SAGirl]

LeBron telling Cavs he wants to go to SA so they're finding his replacement first imo.:king
Creative.

[SPURt]

Hell no. Not in these circumstances with very little chance to re-sign him. If PG said he would sign with SA then absolutely. But that is not the case.
If that's the thing holding you back, LMA has a player option next summer. It's not a sure thing he stays beyond next summer either.

[ace3g]

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[RD2191]

If that's the thing holding you back, LMA has a player option next summer. It's not a sure thing he stays beyond next summer either.

That's what I was thinking, and to me, PG gives you a better shot at beating the dubs than LMA.

[DPG21920]

If that's the thing holding you back, LMA has a player option next summer. It's not a sure thing he stays beyond next summer either.

Yes, I'm aware. That is definitley what's holding me back. PG is superior to LMA, but SA has a far better shot at keeping LMA and they would not have to give up a pick (like they probably would with LMA to get PG) either.

[SPURt]

Yes, I'm aware. That is definitley what's holding me back. PG is superior to LMA, but SA has a far better shot at keeping LMA and they would not have to give up a pick (like they probably would with LMA to get PG) either.
I thought the choice was between Pau/Pick or LMA straight up. I would not part with LMA and a pick. LMA for George straight up I'd be on the fence about. The pick in this deep draft is too valuable for one year of George.

[DPG21920]

I thought the choice was between Pau/Pick or LMA straight up. I would not part with LMA and a pick. LMA for George straight up I'd be on the fence about. The pick in this deep draft is too valuable for one year of George.

There is nothing official on the table :lol so there is no choice that I know of. I'm saying I highly doubt IND would do LMA for PG straight up. They are going to want a pick.

Getting a player of LMA's caliber, if that appeals to them, would probably reduce the quality of the pick (like Spurs 1st at #29) vs getting a lesser player and wanting a better pick (lottery). Who knows.

[tonight...you]

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Rent-A-Center Kawhi's

[BillMc]

Rent-A-Center Kawhi's
:lol

For that Kawhi experience for the rest of them.

[BatManu20]

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[DPG21920]

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Nothing substantial but thought I would post

[DPG21920]

https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/2017/06/19/raptors-at-crossroads-with-george-in-play-arthur.html



Still, things can change. That’s what Ujiri is facing. Even if the organization did manage to make a deal for a big-time player, Kyle Lowry is a free agent, and multiple league sources say the all-star point guard has been grumbling about dissatisfaction with the Raptors for months. As of mid-May other teams were being told Lowry had “zero interest” in returning to Toronto, even if the Raptors offered a maximum five-year deal. Which since the club had no intention of offering a five-year deal probably made Lowry’s declaration easier to make.

[GSH]

If you just do everything he says, you can be the owner of the team he plays for. Makes perfect sense.


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[Chinook]

Again, like his fit better than Paul, and him giving up on a five-year deal might signal that he's willing to take what the Spurs can offer without giving up key guys.

[Vic Petro]

West in L.A. may increase the likelihood Paul re-signs with the Clippers rather than goes to San Antonio, but San Antonio is said not to be interested in Lowry.

[GSH]

I said it in another thread earlier - don't underestimate the influence that old man has. If I had to bet on a place for a new super-team to form right now, LAC would be on my short list.

[GSH]

There is nothing official on the table :lol so there is no choice that I know of. I'm saying I highly doubt IND would do LMA for PG straight up. They are going to want a pick.

Getting a player of LMA's caliber, if that appeals to them, would probably reduce the quality of the pick (like Spurs 1st at #29) vs getting a lesser player and wanting a better pick (lottery). Who knows.


LMA + the 29 pick for PG + the 47 pick. Then the Spurs could draft another good player on a Pacers throw-away pick. The Pacers would never get over the redass from that. :lol

[DPG21920]

I love how the Spurs operate but it sucks at these times when not even Woj scoops the Spurs.

[Ice009]

Probably the same thing voing through his mind every other offseason. Real #1s relish the chance to beat teams that are hyped or viewed as better on paper. KL is not KD, so it just makes him more motivated. Take note ledouche

I just want to add something to this. Does anyone know for sure if Kawhi was not at the Spurs' pitch/meeting with KD last off-season? I'm sure I read that he wasn't, people bring up him just becoming a father for him not being there, but I think if he wanted KD on the team, he would have been at that meeting.

I don't think Kawhi gives a shit about KD. If he wasn't at that meeting, I don't think he wanted him on the team.


I've literally not seen any Spurs fans say that :lol. Some are saying you don't have to do anything drastic just for the sake of doing it. Especially when in just one more year SA has a ton of flexibility.

Big difference in the picture you are trying to paint Picasso

lol. I like the Picasso reference.


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Why even bother with this Kobe wannabe at this point?

Wow, if that is true, does he realize how badly he's screwing over the Pacers by saying this? They won't be able to get anything for him. He's basically screwing over everyone, even the Lakers. lol. I guess like DPG said, this is the way you'd want him to go to the Lakers so that they can use cap space on him.

I wonder if the Spurs would still be interested in a one year rental if the price is cheap?


I don't think PG likes Kawhi. There was a debate about who was better and then there wasn't a debate anymore. I think PG has a chip on his shoulder that everyone says Kawhi is better.

You might be right. Kind of in the same way that we perceive Kawhi doesn't like KD after his system player comments. Those comments involved 3 people - KD, Kawhi and George, so I guess Kawhi might not even like George either if George also believes that he's better than Kawhi.

Does anyone know for sure if Kawhi was at that KD pitch/meeting last off-season. If not, did he reach out to KD to even talk to him?

[SAGirl]

I just want to add something to this. Does anyone know for sure if Kawhi wasn't at the Spurs' pitch/meeting with KD last off-season? I'm sure I read that he wasn't, people bring up him just becoming a father for him not being there, but I think if he wanted KD on the team, he would have been at that meeting.

I don't think Kawhi gives a shit about KD. If he wasn't at that meeting, I don't think he wanted him on the team.
He wasn't at the meeting. I doubt Kawhi can do an insincere pitch. He's just not even into being social. Him and LMA don't talk off the court. LMA said they don't know each other off the court well at all. It's actually a miracle Kyle and Murray are training with him in the summer IMO. Kawhi doesn't do hypocritical. And he's leading by example.

I bet he's welcoming anyone Spurs bring over but not caring much about catering to divas. Leave that to Pop.

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Nothing substantial but thought I would post

Pronouns but no proper names. Talking about Pau?

[sasaint]

He wasn't at the meeting. I doubt Kawhi can do an insincere pitch. He's just not even into being social. Him and LMA don't talk off the court. LMA said they don't know each other off the court well at all. It's actually a miracle Kyle and Murray are training with him in the summer IMO. Kawhi doesn't do hypocritical. And he's leading by example.

I bet he's welcoming anyone Spurs bring over but not caring much about catering to divas. Leave that to Pop.

:lol

[DPG21920]

Pronouns but no proper names. Talking about Pau?

That is correct - he = Pau

[sasaint]

Again, like his fit better than Paul, and him giving up on a five-year deal might signal that he's willing to take what the Spurs can offer without giving up key guys.

Lots of names in this thread. Who is a better fit?

[DPG21920]

Lots of names in this thread. Who is a better fit?

His = Lowry.

Don't worry, I'm here to assist.

[sasaint]

That is correct - he = Pau

Pau would be doing himself a solid, too, by giving his team a little more room.

[sasaint]

His = Lowry.

Don't worry, I'm here to assist.

Thanks! :toast If posters don't quote who they are responding to or use a proper name, it can be unclear who they are talking about.

[DPG21920]

Pau would be doing himself a solid, too, by giving his team a little more room.

I mean, it only matters if SA actually needs that. I'm not sure how much it would really help. Let's say Pau take a 2 year / 20M deal. That gives him 4M more guaranteed and shaves off 6M this year for SA. What does that really do without other moves?

Even if Pau does that (which I think is best case scenario) and SA stretches TP, that has SA at approximately 77M in salaries with a 102M cap. That is not even enough for a max deal with Pau taking less and TP stretched.

Obviously it could help open up money, just not sure SA would need it and do they want Pau on the books next year?

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[GSH]

This came out of an old SpursTalk archive. Bottom line, CP3's agent was shopping him while he was still under contract to NO. The league issued an ominous-sounding memo, telling teams that they better not have contact with Paul or his agent. What I remember from the time was that they were pissed at the agent, but my quick search didn't find any reference to that. I also remember a Hawks staff member who got fined just for saying that Paul "would look good in a Hawks' uniform".

Anyway, someone posted one article from that time, and it includes some verbiage about what the league is trying to prevent. You can decide for yourselves if this is similar enough:

Paul, through his new agent, Leon Rose, informed the Hornets recently that he wants to be traded and gave the team a list of preferred destinations. Paul and Rose met Monday in New Orleans with Hornets president Hugh Weber, GM Dell Demps and coach Monty Williams to hash out their differences. Not surprisingly, everyone emerged from the meeting saying they've all agreed to get along. But we know better, and so does the league office. Sources told CBSSports.com that Monday's meeting did not quell Paul's desire to push for a trade and this his representatives planned to continue applying pressure to get him out of New Orleans. The league memo Tuesday only underscored the reality facing the Hornets.

But under league rules, such conversations can only be initiated or approved by the Hornets. So on Tuesday, the league made a strong statement in defense of an organization that faces an uphill battle in keeping its franchise player happy. The last thing Demps and Williams need is to have Rose and William Wesley recruiting trade partners through back channels -- which is how much of the business of the league is done.

"This kind of thing happens all the time," said a person within the NBA. "But the league wants to have more control over the players. They don't want players working behind the scenes to get themselves traded."

[SAGirl]

Hmm. It seems to me even back then they knew it happens all the time...
Apparently the league wanted more control over players under contract but stars have all the leverage and they apply pressure.... if that pressure is ignored then this happens.

Seems l like all this collusion is happening openly now. I hope RC is busy too getting the proverbial ducks in a row and see what he can catch. Most of the interesting movements appear to be trades.

[Ice009]

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What's Kyle talking about?

[KDKSpurs24]

What's Kyle talking about?
Some reports were saying he had "zero interest" in re-signing with Raps.

[Uriel]

Source?

[Kindergarten Cop]

Source?


https://www.thestar.com/sports/raptors/2017/06/19/raptors-at-crossroads-with-george-in-play-arthur.html

[DPG21920]

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[Jdspur20]

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[Mal]

It`s happening

[bklynspursfan]

Good stuff Pau. Didn't see that coming

[DPG21920]

We knew this was an option, especially if Pau didn't want to get traded (which he doesn't since SA is a great team and fit for him).

The question now becomes how much do the Spurs truly save and for what? This probably signals (things can change obviously) that 2018, even though Pau was off the books with TP, is not the plan. Money is on the books now for Pau most likely that year (and possibly beyond).

My bet: 3 years, 24M with player option in year 3. That would save 8M this year off the Spurs salaries so assuming all FA but Simmons renounced SA would be sitting at roughly 85M in salaries with a 102M cap.

[mo7888]

Does this make a lma trade more likely or less likely?

[Jdspur20]

We knew this was an option, especially if Pau didn't want to get traded (which he doesn't since SA is a great team and fit for him).

The question now becomes how much do the Spurs truly save and for what? This probably signals (things can change obviously) that 2018, even though Pau was off the books with TP, is not the plan. Money is on the books now for Pau most likely that year (and possibly beyond).

My bet: 3 years, 24M with player option in year 3. That would save 8M this year off the Spurs salaries so assuming all FA but Simmons renounced SA would be sitting at roughly 85M in salaries with a 102M cap.

Good estimate. The issue is, could they still clear enough space for a guy like CP3?

[DPG21920]

Actually, my math on SA may be wrong.

[DPG21920]

So now, if you assume all cap holds are renounced except for Simmons and you stretch TP, you are roughly at 75M in obligations with a cap of 102M = 27M in cap space.

That means the only players you lose would be TP (out anyways with injury), Mills (have Murray), Manu (can easily come back at min) & Dedmon (no real good replacement at this point. Is 27M enough to convince a star to come and team up with:

Star FA/Danny/Kawhi/LMA/Pau

Murray/Forbes/Simmons/Bertans/Kyle/Draft Pick #29/David Lee/Maybe Manu/Maybe Mulitnov?

[Mal]

We knew this was an option, especially if Pau didn't want to get traded (which he doesn't since SA is a great team and fit for him).

The question now becomes how much do the Spurs truly save and for what? This probably signals (things can change obviously) that 2018, even though Pau was off the books with TP, is not the plan. Money is on the books now for Pau most likely that year (and possibly beyond).

My bet: 3 years, 24M with player option in year 3. That would save 8M this year off the Spurs salaries so assuming all FA but Simmons renounced SA would be sitting at roughly 85M in salaries with a 102M cap.

Spurs won't have bird rights for Gasol, and if they have 17 mil in cap space, Gasol is going to get full MLE, which is around 8 mil if I recall.

[DPG21920]

Spurs won't have bird rights for Gasol, and if they have 17 mil in cap space, Gasol is going to get full MLE, which is around 8 mil if I recall.

My 85M estimate includes Pau getting 8M and it won't be MLE, it will be cap space. You can't have MLE and cap space - at least not the MLE you are referring to. Only the mini-MLE

[szkorhetz]

So now, if you assume all cap holds are renounced except for Simmons and you stretch TP, you are roughly at 75M in obligations with a cap of 102M = 27M in cap space.

That means the only players you lose would be TP (out anyways with injury), Mills (have Murray), Manu (can easily come back at min) & Dedmon (no real good replacement at this point. Is 27M enough to convince a star to come and team up with:

Star FA/Danny/Kawhi/LMA/Pau

Murray/Forbes/Simmons/Bertans/Kyle/Draft Pick #29/David Lee/Maybe Manu/Maybe Mulitnov?
+Hanga. For Lowry/Hill/Holiday it's a no brainer. For CP3? I am not So sure.

[DPG21920]

+Hanga. For Lowry/Hill/Holiday it's a no brainer. For CP3? I am not So sure.

Good call - forgot about Hanga. That definitely puts the roster in a crunch, so maybe Muli doesn't come over or this 29th pick is a stash.

Im just making tons of assumptions here (especially TP being stretched). I'm just trying to predict what might happen based on the Pau move.

Reason I think TP getting stretched is what I'm going with? Because re-signing Pau keeps him on the books for 2018 it appears. Which means instead of letting Tp expire and Pau that year and having a lot of flexibility, they are forgoing that seemingly (things can change).

Instead of being forced to trade Pau/TP/Danny/LMA, Pau's route gives them some money without surrendering assets. Makes sense to then stretch TP to get more money and not be forced to trade to accomplish your goals.

Just wild guesses at this point though.

[Mal]

My 85M estimate includes Pau getting 8M and it won't be MLE, it will be cap space. You can't have MLE and cap space - at least not the MLE you are referring to. Only the mini-MLE

So probably signing Paul, will require moving Green or Parker.

[Chinook]

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Gonna just read that first clause:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06X5HYynP5E

[Mal]

Instead of being forced to trade Pau/TP/Danny/LMA, Pau's route gives them some money without surrendering assets. Makes sense to then stretch TP to get more money and not be forced to trade to accomplish your goals.

Just wild guesses at this point though.

Trade Parker and 29th to Sacramento for nothing. They won't have salary floor.

[jyra]

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(we knew he was going to opt out but it's still nice to read)

[DPG21920]

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[Mal]

I've been thinking about something like that. Is it legal ? Trade Parker and 29th and cash, whatever it takes to Sacramento. Then let him rehab, let Kings waive him. Can he sign with Spurs in March ?

[Kindergarten Cop]

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I really hope that he comes back on the vet minimum deal. Lee was everything that we had hoped that David West would be when we signed him the year before.

[bklynspursfan]

I really hope that he comes back on the vet minimum deal. Lee was everything that we had hoped that David West would be when we signed him the year before.

Yea most definitely. Great locker room guy too. Would love to have him back

[jyra]

I've been thinking about something like that. Is it legal ? Trade Parker and 29th and cash, whatever it takes to Sacramento. Then let him rehab, let Kings waive him. Can he sign with Spurs in March ?

That doesn't work anymore, from the CBA FAQ:


A team cannot reacquire a player they traded away during that season (a season being July 1 - June 30). If he is waived by his new team, then he cannot re-sign with his original team until the one-year anniversary of the trade, or until the July 1 following the end of his contract, whichever comes first. However, if a team trades a player's draft rights, they can reacquire the player during the same season

[Jdspur20]

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Can he really get much more money with his current injury and age?

[Chinook]

Can he really get much more money with his current injury and age?

Yeah. Seems like a fine room-exception guy, and that's worth $9M/2 or something like that.

[Mal]

That doesn't work anymore, from the CBA FAQ:


A team cannot reacquire a player they traded away during that season (a season being July 1 - June 30). If he is waived by his new team, then he cannot re-sign with his original team until the one-year anniversary of the trade, or until the July 1 following the end of his contract, whichever comes first. However, if a team trades a player's draft rights, they can reacquire the player during the same season


Thanks. Thought that this is illegal, but didn't know how to google it.

[NASpurs]

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[Mal]

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Take Melo, give shitload of assets. Who ? Not Boston, probably not Phila.

[TimDunkem]

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[r0drig0lac]

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NO WAY

[NASpurs]

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[Chinook]

Kristaps isn't that great, guys. I'd like him on the team just fine, but Melo is better than him.

[sasaint]

Kristaps isn't that great, guys. I'd like him on the team just fine, but Melo is better than him.

So, Spurs could trade for Melo and swallow Kristaps' deal.

[szkorhetz]

So, Spurs could trade for Melo and swallow Kristaps' deal.
:lol

[Chinook]

So, Spurs could trade for Melo and swallow Kristaps' deal.

There are a large number of fans who think the Spurs have given Kawhi shit to work with. Those people probably assume something like LMA for Kristaps fixes that. But LMA and Melo are both better than Porzingas. Maybe that's different soon. But he's a fine enough guy getting the typical Knicks hype.

[cd98]

PJ worst GM in the NBA. We see what happens when he doesn't have Shaw, Kobe, MJ, and Pippen to bail him out.

[Chinook]

Suns willing to move 4 for Love. Wonder what would have to happen to get 4 for LMA.

[mo7888]

Suns willing to move 4 for Love. Wonder what would have to happen to get 4 for LMA.

It looks like we have very good options if we want to move lma... I'm not sure if we'll like the end product or not but it's pretty exciting right now.

[gambit1990]

if i could have it my way...
get rid of tony
sign cp3
resign simmons
acquire porzingis
acquire gortat

[Joseph Kony]

Stop fantasizing about getting rid of Parker, he isn't going anywhere and everyone knows it. He is a Spur for life, just accept it

[gambit1990]

Stop fantasizing about getting rid of Parker, he isn't going anywhere and everyone knows it. He is a Spur for life, just accept it
spurs would move him for cp3 imo.

[TimDunkem]

spurs would move him for cp3 imo.
I honestly doubt it.

[bklynspursfan]

I honestly doubt it.

yea, it ain't happening

[TheDoctor]

spurs would move him for cp3 imo.
Even you don't believe that brah :lol

[Joseph Kony]

spurs would move him for cp3 imo.
no, they wouldn't

[Mnky]

There are a large number of fans who think the Spurs have given Kawhi shit to work with. Those people probably assume something like LMA for Kristaps fixes that. But LMA and Melo are both better than Porzingas. Maybe that's different soon. But he's a fine enough guy getting the typical Knicks hype.

That's out of context. Porzing, would match up well against certain teams better than either of those two. Melo is the worst defender of them all,but best scorer. Porzing is the most athletic, LMA is the best inside defender. It's all about matchup. Porzing running a pick and roll off yhe three with kawhi would give every team in the nba matchup problems, and give kawhi even morr space to abuse his defender. Not sure how he would fit defensively though. He seems like he wants to win, and wants to play the systems they tried to implement. It would be fun to watch, no doubt about that. And Under pop, could be thr most coachable of all three. Plenty of arguments for why he would be better.

[Chinook]

That's out of context. Porzing, would match up well against certain teams better than either of those two. Melo is the worst defender of them all,but best scorer. Porzing is the most athletic, LMA is the best inside defender. It's all about matchup. Porzing running a pick and roll off yhe three with kawhi would give every team in the nba matchup problems, and give kawhi even morr space to abuse his defender. Not sure how he would fit defensively though. He seems like he wants to win, and wants to play the systems they tried to implement. It would be fun to watch, no doubt about that. And Under pop, could be thr most coachable of all three. Plenty of arguments for why he would be better.

He's quite a bit worse than Aldridge, especially if you start talking about "If Kristaps just plays a different way than he currently does." I don't see an argument for Porzingas currently being a better player, regardless of match-up. I can see one for him becoming better.

[SPURt]

Phil Jackson tryin to trump Billy King this off season.

[picnroll]

From first to second year by metrics Porzingis has become a significant better rim protector and is now very good and getting better. Pair him with a mobile, weak side defender like a Jamychal Green and you have a very nice interior defense.

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[Chinook]

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I would strongly consider a LMA for Noah and KP trade. Aldridge will be easy enough to move if that's what Phil wants. I don't really care for Kristaps, but if the team is looking for a way to get a good prospect, this isn't horrible. But obviously, I'd have zero interest at bringing Pau back.

[HarlemHeat37]

Porzingis is extremely overrated, at the moment, but his potential is undeniable, tbh..I don't think it's a bad move for the Knicks to move him, though, since it appears that he's already soured on the organization and it's an opportunity to move that disgusting Noah contract..

Phil would find a way to fuck it up, though:lol

[CGD]

I would strongly consider a LMA for Noah and KP trade. Aldridge will be easy enough to move if that's what Phil wants. I don't really care for Kristaps, but if the team is looking for a way to get a good prospect, this isn't horrible. But obviously, I'd have zero interest at bringing Pau back.

Once the CP3 stuff dies down, I'd call about taking back Noah + 8 or KP.

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[dabom]

Was Phil bidding with himself when he gave noah that contract. :lmao

[jyra]

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Seems like a strange fit. I don't get why they would want to blow their cap space on a backup PG especially if Butler gets traded.

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As long as he doesn't end up on a contender.

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[Dex]

As long as he doesn't end up on a contender.

This. I have no idea why so many teams seem to be intent on helping the Cavs get better. I guess they are all just happy to watch Warriors/Cavs Finals for the next 10 years while they stockpile draft picks.

[Mr. Body]

Porzingis would be great on a team that gives a shit about winning.

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[marinoman]

we got the big fish!
Assistant coach Messina signs extension with Spurs

http://www.poundingtherock.com/2017/6/20/15837376/san-antonio-spurs-ettore-messina-reportedly-two-year-extension-assistant-coach

[spurraider21]

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[jermaine]

i'd love pat beverley

Him an Kawhi together... Sprinkle Danny Green in there sometimes when he's actually playing defense....

[jermaine]

But he'd have to get a hair cut an shave!!! I'm a black man so I can say that. Lol That happy shit on his head an face gotta go.

[cd98]

If we get him, Murray won't have to dribble against him in a real game.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

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[BatManu20]

Somebody here will will want him, I know it.

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[Namundy]

Do you think Dejounte is untouchable? He is probably our most valuable asset outside of Kawhi. I'm a big fan of his but just wondering what other people think.

[Mr. Body]

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I'd Chuck the immediate future to put Porzingas next to Kawhi, but I doubt it happens.

[tonight...you]

Do you think Dejounte is untouchable? He is probably our most valuable asset outside of Kawhi. I'm a big fan of his but just wondering what other people think.
Not yet. He could be very soon though... I really think it's going to be all about how much he progresses as a Team player this coming year.
We all know he can get to the hoop. We also know he can pull off some good pass plays.
And we know his handle needs serious work along with his shot and floor generalship.

He progresses like our resident robot, who gets yearly software updates, then he could get to that point.

But now? No, bud. And I am a big fan of his and I really, really want him to succeed. He has tools that not many have even with years of development.

[Mr. Body]

I'd absolutely trade Murray in a package for KP.

[Spurs9]

:wow
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[cjw]

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[DPG21920]

Wow - Lakers shed 23M in salary and get a first round pick. BKY must really love Russell to do that deal. Could end up being solid for both if Russell continues to progress.

But as of now, for the 18/19 season LA only has guaranteed salaries of 30.5M (with Deng/Clarkson being the only guaranteed deals) and total salaries (with options/qualifying offers) of 47.5M (with Ingram, Randle, Nance, Zubac & Nwaba). Tons of flexibility now.

[SAGirl]

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Hmmm interesting.

[TimDunkem]

Hopefully they send your boyfriend and LMA for him, SAGirl. That would be the greatest thing since #5.

[SAGirl]

Wow - Lakers shed 23M in salary and get a first round pick. BKY must really love Russell to do that deal. Could end up being solid for both if Russell continues to progress.

But as of now, for the 18/19 season LA only has guaranteed salaries of 30.5M (with Deng/Clarkson being the only guaranteed deals) and total salaries (with options/qualifying offers) of 47.5M (with Ingram, Randle, Nance, Zubac & Nwaba). Tons of flexibility now.
I shared elsewhere Russel was very much scouted by Spurs when Sean Marks was still in the FO
Spurs liked him back then. He's been rotting away in Lakers...

[Spurs9]

Wow - Lakers shed 23M in salary and get a first round pick. BKY must really love Russell to do that deal. Could end up being solid for both if Russell continues to progress.

But as of now, for the 18/19 season LA only has guaranteed salaries of 30.5M (with Deng/Clarkson being the only guaranteed deals) and total salaries (with options/qualifying offers) of 47.5M (with Ingram, Randle, Nance, Zubac & Nwaba). Tons of flexibility now.

What about Lopez salary?

[HarlemHeat37]

What about Lopez salary?

Lopez's deal ends next year IIRC..

[Ron Swanson]

Lopez's deal ends next year IIRC..

That's correct. This is all about getting into position to get PG13 and LeBron.

[DPG21920]

Lopez's deal ends next year IIRC..

Correct.

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[tonight...you]

Correct.

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If Ingram progresses into the talent he could be... three elite wings on one team could be very lethal.

[DPG21920]

I am just surprised BKY had to give up a pick while eating Mozgov's salary to get Randle. Obviously Brook was expiring and there was no point in probably bringing him back.

So they got a young guard they like that is on reasonable deal right now for Brook. But had to give up a first round pick and eat Mozgov's 47M :wow

[SAGirl]

Hopefully they send your boyfriend and LMA for him, SAGirl. That would be the greatest thing since #5.
I imagine save Kawhi and Tony (lol) everyone is game to be traded. He's originally from NY, I don't think he'd hate that and he's going to be a FA after that one year. It's not like he'd be traded to a badly managed organization in a long term deal. Minutes could help his FA case too.

I do doubt he's just going to be thrown in a trade just to get rid of him though. The acquiring team probably has to want him--ask for him by name... do you see that happening? No? Ok. Suck up your sourpuss then lol

[Hoops Czar]

Correct.

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Danny, I'd take Randle in heartbeat. He's raw but his talent is undeniable.

[tonight...you]

I am just surprised BKY had to give up a pick while eating Mozgov's salary to get Randle. Obviously Brook was expiring and there was no point in probably bringing him back.

So they got a young guard they like that is on reasonable deal right now for Brook. But had to give up a first round pick and eat Mozgov's 47M :wow
I actually think Marks likes Russell that much.

[Chinook]

I am just surprised BKY had to give up a pick while eating Mozgov's salary to get Randle. Obviously Brook was expiring and there was no point in probably bringing him back.

So they got a young guard they like that is on reasonable deal right now for Brook. But had to give up a first round pick and eat Mozgov's 47M :wow

I wouldn't be shocked to see Mozgov do all right in Brooklyn. In a friendly system, he's good enough to be their starting five. So now they have Lin, Russell, RHJ, Booker and Mozgov with LeVert and their first to build around. And they can deal with Portland to get that pick back and take on Turner or Leonard.

It's not a great team, but I do think a good coach could get them sniffing the playoffs.

[PopTheGOAT]

I wouldn't be shocked to see Mozgov do all right in Brooklyn. In a friendly system, he's good enough to be their starting five. So now they have Lin, Russell, RHJ, Booker and Mozgov with LeVert and their first to build around. And they can deal with Portland to get that pick back and take on Turner or Leonard.

It's not a great team, but I do think a good coach could get them sniffing the playoffs.
Sniff if they have really strong senses of smell

[SAGirl]

I am just surprised BKY had to give up a pick while eating Mozgov's salary to get Randle. Obviously Brook was expiring and there was no point in probably bringing him back.

So they got a young guard they like that is on reasonable deal right now for Brook. But had to give up a first round pick and eat Mozgov's 47M :wow
It's quite possible there was competition for Russell... We never know the bidding or who else was interested. What else was in the table for Russell.

[Mr. Body]

If Ingram progresses into the talent he could be... three elite wings on one team could be very lethal.

IF. Ingram looks like a piece of shit so far.

[sasaint]

I am just surprised BKY had to give up a pick while eating Mozgov's salary to get Randle. Obviously Brook was expiring and there was no point in probably bringing him back.

So they got a young guard they like that is on reasonable deal right now for Brook. But had to give up a first round pick and eat Mozgov's 47M :wow

Yep, Lakers clearly won this trade. I hope Sean will give us a deal, too.

[DPG21920]

I actually think Marks likes Russell that much.

He didn't have. Much of a choice tbh.. He inherited an awful situation and taking on a bad deal is about the only way to try to get talent.

We will see if it works out or not.

[DPG21920]

I wouldn't be shocked to see Mozgov do all right in Brooklyn. In a friendly system, he's good enough to be their starting five. So now they have Lin, Russell, RHJ, Booker and Mozgov with LeVert and their first to build around. And they can deal with Portland to get that pick back and take on Turner or Leonard.

It's not a great team, but I do think a good coach could get them sniffing the playoffs.

Ya - this is obviously the strategy now: Take on bad deals with your space to get high upside talent or picks back. Tough road and a lot has to go right, but damn.

[tonight...you]

He didn't have. Much of a choice tbh.. He inherited an awful situation and taking on a bad deal is about the only way to try to get talent.

We will see if it works out or not.
No... he didn't, but I still think he liked Russell a whole hell of a lot and probably will sleep well tonight.

[tonight...you]

IF. Ingram looks like a piece of shit so far.
Yeah... it's a big IF. People say the Next Kevin Durant. Durant looked like he was going to be a monster his 1st year.

[DPG21920]

It's quite possible there was competition for Russell... We never know the bidding or who else was interested. What else was in the table for Russell.

We do know. Now that we know Russ was on the block (which we knew, but now we KNOW): 1) INDY could have easily gotten him and didn't & 2) Its been reported by credible sources that no teams with a lottery pick wanted Russell. That surprised LA so they turned to using Russ to dump a bad deal.

[DPG21920]

No... he didn't, but I still think he liked Russell a whole hell of a lot and probably will sleep well tonight.

Oh I agree. He's happy. He should be. He has to gamble and this was reasonable. I hate that they gave up the pick, but that it's.

But this is a win-win for both teams.

[sasaint]

But he'd have to get a hair cut an shave!!! I'm a black man so I can say that. Lol That happy shit on his head an face gotta go.

No way. Heck, I want Elfrid Payton!

[tonight...you]

We do know. Now that we know Russ was on the block (which we knew, but now we KNOW): 1) INDY could have easily gotten him and didn't & 2) Its been reported by credible sources that no teams with a lottery pick wanted Russell. That surprised LA so they turned to using Russ to dump a bad deal.
I think his kid-like attitude turns a lot of teams off.

[cjw]

1.) Brooklyn is willing to take on bad deals to help other teams for future assets. Might mean they're looking to spend money to provide salary relief for teams vs. signing FAs to crazy offer sheets. Simmons being one.

2.) A few have mentioned it, but Philly and Brooklyn are all but out of the PG FA market. Could mean Lowry/Hill/Holliday all become slightly more attainable

3.) This is all about the Lakers signaling to other teams - we have a plan and will have max space for PG13. Trade at your own risk - he's coming to us. Could push down Pacers' return. Not to mention they have salary to match now in Lopez for Pacers that isn't an albatross.

[sasaint]

i'd love pat beverley

Yes. But I don't see that we could match salaries, and I doubt Pringles would deal with us anyway.

[sasaint]

1.) Brooklyn is willing to take on bad deals to help other teams for future assets. Might mean they're looking to spend money to provide salary relief for teams vs. signing FAs to crazy offer sheets. Simmons being one.

2.) A few have mentioned it, but Philly and Brooklyn are all but out of the PG FA market. Could mean Lowry/Hill/Holliday all become slightly more attainable

3.) This is all about the Lakers signaling to other teams - we have a plan and will have max space for PG13. Trade at your own risk - he's coming to us. Could push down Pacers' return. Not to mention they have salary to match now in Lopez for Pacers that isn't an albatross.

I like your #2 point. I have never been on the Chris Paul bandwagon.

[cutewizard]

Report: Rockets shopping point guard Patrick Beverley
The Rockets want to swing for the fences and get another star this summer (when doesn’t Daryl Morey do that), and with that they are testing the trade market for some of their guys, either to help land a star or create cap space.
One of those available is Beverley. From Sean Deveney of The Sporting News (http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-patrick-beverley-rockets-contract-extension-james-harden-free-agency-draft/e6cj0djv6qdp117jlpvsijtb5):

The Rockets have been actively shopping point guard Patrick Beverley, a source with knowledge of the situation told Sporting News on Tuesday.
Beverley, who averaged 9.5 points, 5.9 rebounds and 4.2 assists last season, has been open to a trade away from Houston leading into this offseason, the source said, and has consulted with the team about the possible move. The Rockets could get a deal done before Thursday’s draft.
Beverley is still on a very good contract, with two seasons at a total of $10.5 million owed, so he doesn’t create much cap room.
However, he has value around the league and that contract will interest teams, so he could be part of a package. We’ll see if this comes together, Beverley seems okay with it, but in the end he could return to Houston next season.

[cutewizard]

Can we get Beverly??

[Spurs9]

Can we get Beverly??


Maybe

[picnroll]

Russell will look a lot better away from the f/u LA team if he applies himself and shows discipline.

[Dex]

Russell will look a lot better away from the f/u LA team if he applies himself and shows discipline.

Which...is exactly what he has been unable to do in his two years.

Not saying he can't turn it around...but I'd call it a long shot at best if that's what Marks is counting on.

[spursistan]

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Bulls :lol..

[DPG21920]

This is so crazy.

CLE in shambles one year after winning a title.

LA dumping a recent #2 pick to rid themselves of a bad deal, but also on the cusp of landing Paul George and maybe making a run at another max player.

BKY in the market for maybe a max PG, gets Russell in a deal and is out of the FA market for PGs pretty much.

BOS getting the #1 pick finally then trading it and not making a deal for PG or Butler yet.

PHI, who many thought would sign a big FA PG, getting the #1 pick and not needing a PG anymore.

SO many ramifications in the draft and free agency already; especially for stars/point guards.

[CGD]

This is so crazy.

CLE in shambles one year after winning a title.

LA dumping a recent #2 pick to rid themselves of a bad deal, but also on the cusp of landing Paul George and maybe making a run at another max player.

BKY in the market for maybe a max PG, gets Russell in a deal and is out of the FA market for PGs pretty much.

BOS getting the #1 pick finally then trading it and not making a deal for PG or Butler yet.

PHI, who many thought would sign a big FA PG, getting the #1 pick and not needing a PG anymore.

SO many ramifications in the draft and free agency already; especially for stars/point guards.

Spot on. Lowry about the get squeezed hard by the Raps, and George Hill looking even dumber for not taking that Utah extension.

[tonight...you]

This is so crazy.

CLE in shambles one year after winning a title.

LA dumping a recent #2 pick to rid themselves of a bad deal, but also on the cusp of landing Paul George and maybe making a run at another max player.

BKY in the market for maybe a max PG, gets Russell in a deal and is out of the FA market for PGs pretty much.

BOS getting the #1 pick finally then trading it and not making a deal for PG or Butler yet.

PHI, who many thought would sign a big FA PG, getting the #1 pick and not needing a PG anymore.

SO many ramifications in the draft and free agency already; especially for stars/point guards.
This is the kind of drama Babyface Silver LOVES to see. The NBA really does bring the excitement when the games AREN'T played.

[bklynspursfan]

Dwight traded to Hornets per Stein. Lol

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[DPG21920]

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[GSH]

Which...is exactly what he has been unable to do in his two years.

Not saying he can't turn it around...but I'd call it a long shot at best if that's what Marks is counting on.


I'm pretty sure it's not a positive for a talented young player to land on a team that is in the business of losing on purpose. He can go out and do all the stupid shit he wants to, and there's no consequence. Of course he hasn't applied himself or shown discipline. I don't know if he can be salvaged, but it sure isn't out of the question.

[tonight...you]

For what? Dizamn!

[I. Hustle]

Does anyone know if the Hawks are going to keep Dwight?

[sasaint]

Spot on. Lowry about the get squeezed hard by the Raps, and George Hill looking even dumber for not taking that Utah extension.

If Georgie ends up back in SA, he will be happy enough. Looking like a decent possibility at this point.

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Man, things are heating up.

[tonight...you]

Does anyone know if the Hawks are going to keep Dwight?
Ha ha ha!

[NASpurs]

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Ferrari headed to Atlanta? Gets the Hawks one step closer to the :lobt2:

[Ron Swanson]

Bobcats?

[tonight...you]

Ferrari headed to Atlanta? Gets the Hawks one step closer to the :lobt2:
Only 39 Steps to go.

[GSH]

Bobcats?


Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Cue the pouting in 3.... 2... 1