Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[rasuo214]

Mclemore could be a steal. Great pick. Still young

He was one of the guys I was hoping for.

[SPURt]

Gallo probably going to the Clips.
Clips doing the Spurs a favor. At least Blake will have someone to keep him company behind the bench. I loved young Gallo but injuries have robbed him of any potential defensive ability.

[GSH]

Other than injury worries, Gallinari would be one hell of a pickup. I'm hopeful about Bertans, but Gallinari is a known quantity. Once again, he's not a superstar - the Spurs aren't going to get one of those on their budget. He would be a plus on the roster. I'm sure they would factor the injury history in before signing him.

[rastaspur]

Also, great point that SPURt made about Aldridge being a center in today's NBA. He needs to lose weight, get in super shape and embrace it.

Sign Andrew Bogut to bang against teams that have the more traditional bigger centers. I don't want Splitter, I don't trust him to not be injured and that is saying a lot considering I feel more comfortable with Bogut being healthy ;).

You are rolling loaded dice either way. It's worth a roll of the dice on a min deal for both, but neither choice is likely to pay huge dividends.

If you sign one of the two I would seriously shelve them until march and then pull em out and dust off in an effort to be useful in the playoffs.

[Ice009]

Agreed, I was thinking Bogut would be a nice backup too.

Yeah, I think this is the way to go. DeMarcus Cousins has lost weight and looks in great shape. LMA needs to do the same and move to center full-time. Give it one more season with that change and see how it goes.

And since the Spurs are re-signing Mills, may as well make the Aussie connection and gets Mills to recruit Bogut.

[SPURt]

Also, great point that SPURt made about Aldridge being a center in today's NBA. He needs to lose weight, get in super shape and embrace it.

Sign Andrew Bogut to bang against teams that have the more traditional bigger centers. I don't want Splitter, I don't trust him to not be injured and that is saying a lot considering I feel more comfortable with Bogut being healthy ;).
The idea of Bogut is awesome but that glass body. How do you feel about Baynes? He's painfully average but he's durable and will body people. Too bad Dedmon is likely going to be too expensive. Pau is really unattractive but I think we're stuck with him. I agree Splitter is done.

[Clipper Nation]

Clips doing the Spurs a favor. At least Blake will have someone to keep him company behind the bench. I loved young Gallo but injuries have robbed him of any potential defensive ability.

I'm more concerned about his defense than his injuries, tbh. I think Dekker is good enough to fill in for the games Gallo misses. When Gallo is playing, he's the dynamic wing scorer we've lacked for as long as I can remember.

[pad300]

He sure got paid. Looking at the overall landscape of contracts I don't blame the Spurs for standing pat. The only free agents that were max were Durant, Curry, and Paul. I like Millsap, Hayward, and Lowry, but I want not want them for max money.

Hayward might be worth it as well, being younger and just coming into his prime.

[SAGirl]

:toast People love to hate Pop here but I think this season is going to be one where he does something innovative to support Kawhi. I don't care what it is as long as he isn't force feeding LMA to start every game to feed his ego. The Spurs were smart to wait on trading LMA. Millsap isn't $10 million a year better and I'm sick of his game.

I actually have wondered if precisely having that conversation with Lamarcus (about having to play more center in this modern NBA) is what made him want to ask for a trade. Lamarcus really didn't do well in two big lineups in the playoffs. But I think I am going to be disappointed if I start thinking about Pop innovating his offense and going away from the same LMA postups.

[SPURt]

I'm more concerned about his defense than his injuries, tbh. I think Dekker is good enough to fill in for the games Gallo misses. When Gallo is playing, he's the dynamic wing scorer we've lacked for as long as I can remember.
I love his offensive game and if healthy he will be a huge help for the Clips. Do you see him playing the 3 with Blake and DJ at 4/5? I see him as a 4 on the Spurs. I don't think he fits the Spurs because their main goal is beating GS and GS forces everyone to switch a lot. Injuries would make Gallo a target in that series.

[Ice009]

Oh, and one more thing LaMarcus needs to do. Work really hard on adding a 3 point shot during the off-season. I think he could have a monster year if does these three things : 1. Get in super shape. 2. Move to center full-time 3. Add a three point shot to his game.

[kaji157]

Oh, and one more thing LaMarcus needs to do. Work really hard on adding a 3 point shot during the off-season. I think he could have a monster year if does these three things : 1. Get in super shape. 2. Move to center full-time 3. Add a three point shot to his game.

I may be in denial about the mills contract, but you are in denial about who Lma is.

[Ice009]

I may be in denial about the mills contract, but you are in denial about who Lma is.

No, I hope you're right about the Mills contract. I was just saying that it wouldn't be announced if it's not almost set in stone.

[kaji157]

No, I hope you're right about the Mills contract. I was just saying that it wouldn't be announced if it's not almost set in stone.

I know, but we can only hope.

[raybies]

We'll need to do a sign-and-trade to dump some combination of Jamal, Austin and/or Wesley Johnson to be able to afford him.
Thanks. Those contracts. Sheesh. If west had come sooner.... imagine

[raybies]

Jeff Green available. Haven't heard anybody mention him.

[BatManu20]

Jeff Green available. Haven't heard anybody mention him.

Cause he sucks.

[Snaq O'Meal]

The idea of Bogut is awesome but that glass body. How do you feel about Baynes? He's painfully average but he's durable and will body people. Too bad Dedmon is likely going to be too expensive. Pau is really unattractive but I think we're stuck with him. I agree Splitter is done.

Having either Bogut or Baynes will help the perimeter players greatly. The Spurs painfully lacked good screeners to free up the guards/wings to either shoot or drive.

[SPURt]

Having either Bogut or Baynes will help the perimeter players greatly. The Spurs painfully lacked good screeners to free up the guards/wings to either shoot or drive.
Very true

[BatManu20]

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[Ice009]

Having either Bogut or Baynes will help the perimeter players greatly. The Spurs painfully lacked good screeners to free up the guards/wings to either shoot or drive.

That's the other reason I want Bogut over Splitter or any of the other traditional centers. I want his illegal screens to free up shooters or drives to the basket.

[Clipper Nation]

Jeff Green available. Haven't heard anybody mention him.
Trust me, you don't want him. He's garbage.

[raybies]

Trust me, you don't want him. He's garbage.
What's the SL and bench looking like right now?

[SuperCam]

Millsap on 3/90 is good

No crippling fourth year, fourth years are for suckers like the Spurs.

I'd take that over fat emo Aldridge

And third year is a team option too if they want to move his expiring after just one season. :tu

Another FO making good deals and making attempts to surround their star with talent while PATFO inks playoff scrubs to long term deals.:bang

[LakerHater]

Sources on @ESPN: Carmelo Anthony is now open to waiving no-trade clause for Houston or Cleveland. https://t.co/AneqQQcXCZ

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[raybies]

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Makes sense. Phoenix and Brooklyn should be interested in Faried for sure

[raybies]

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Let the bidding War between Cleveland and Houston commence

[raybies]

Hill/Murray/Chandler/Millsap/Jokic

i actually like that more the Minnys non shooting team

[ducks]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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Sources on @ESPN: Carmelo Anthony is now open to waiving no-trade clause for Houston or Cleveland.

[SPURt]

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Please pull this off Houston. Harden and Anthony together are going to be a disaster on defense while creating gravitational waves on offense as their black holes collide. There may be a cucumber involved. One large disappointed cucumber.

[ducks]

Lol if Anthony goes to Houston
He needs lots of shots to be good very poor d

[Down Under]

Hope they can re-sign Simmons, hope Parker can't return until February, give Murray 25 MPG, big minutes to Bertrans, get Kawhi the MVP, give Manu a farewell tour and lose in round 2/3..
Everything bar Simmons. Thought Manu had his farewell

[raybies]

Lol if JR and Shumpert go back to New York. Doesn't really make sense team wise for Cleveland unless Melo comes off the bench. Houston could use a SF.

[DAF86]

I would jump on an Aldridge for Carmelo trade in a heartbeat, then sign Manu, Dedmon, Lee, Milutinov and Gasol and go:

Murray-Mills-White-Tony
Green-Manu-Forbes-Some young unkown wing with potential
Kawhi-Carmelo-Blossomgame
Bertans-Anderson-Lee
Dedmon-Gasol-Milutinov

It's not what I had in mind at the beginning of the offseason but it's the best we can do right now. Getting rid of Aldridge is the best thing we can hope for for the rest of the offseason.

[Ice009]

What in the hell are the Spurs trying to do? Anything? We haven't really heard much about them at all.

[KDKSpurs24]

Hill/Murray/Chandler/Millsap/Jokic

i actually like that more the Minnys non shooting team
It would probably be Gary Harris at the 2. But yeah I like that lineup

[SAGirl]

What in the hell are the Spurs trying to do? Anything? We haven't really heard much about them at all.
IMO they are waiting for J.Simms.

[raybies]

Some form of Eric Gordon/Ryan Anderson and Trevor Ariza might work. With Tucker, Ariza expendable. But who would you rather have Gordon or Anderson?

[Uriel]

Paul-Harden-Anthony on the same team :lmao

[raybies]

IMO they are waiting for J.Simms.
Kind of pissing me off too. And he's probably gonna wait a couple more days too.

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Cause he sucks.

And his heart is bad

[objective]

And third year is a team option too if they want to move his expiring after just one season. :tu

Another FO making good deals and making attempts to surround their star with talent while PATFO inks playoff scrubs to long term deals.:bang

Holy crap, you're right it is reported as a third year team option

Now THAT is a great deal. That's how you negotiate.

2 years guaranteed at his age? That is incredible.

Now is there anyone who wouldn't take Millsap over Aldridge with what is basically 2/59?

[playbonner15]

Denver got Millsap. Was really hoping Spurs could land him

[playbonner15]

Im guessing the team is still gonna roll out with Kawhi-Mills-Green-LMA-Gasol. Kinda depressing

[YGWHI]

Im guessing the team is still gonna roll out with Kawhi-Mills-Green-LMA-Gasol. Kinda depressing

If Parker-Gasol were bad at D together all last season just imagine our loved midget Patty in that lineup...:depressed

Spurs desperately need a defensive big.

[Snaq O'Meal]

If Parker-Gasol were bad at D together all last season just imagine our loved midget Patty in that lineup...:depressed

Spurs desperately need a defensive big.

Poop seemed clueless on how to get the best out of big men not named Duncan. Even with Duncan, his play calling is painfully limited to Four Down.

[BatManu20]

Im guessing the team is still gonna roll out with Kawhi-Mills-Green-LMA-Gasol. Kinda depressing

Won us 60+ games and gave us the 2nd best record in the NBA, only behind a superteam..

[YGWHI]

Poop seemed clueless on how to get the best out of big men not named Duncan. Even with Duncan, his play calling is painfully limited to Four Down.

Sadly, most of Pop's low pace, 4-down and conservative style will get old this next season with these many new offensive threats in the West, a lot of fast and young talent.

[spurs10]

Won us 60+ games and gave us the 2nd best record in the NBA, only behind a superteam..
Yeah and it's not over yet. We aren't going to start the season with two bigs.

[ceperez]

Won us 60+ games and gave us the 2nd best record in the NBA, only behind a superteam..

I did not like last years team. But you can't argue with the facts that it had the 2nd best record and reached the WCF against the eventual champs.

[Chillen]

Spurs need to sign Derrick Rose to a 1 year deal and see what happens. Can't have Patty Mills running the point till January.

[Spurs4#5]

Has anyone ever considered PATFO has gone to kawhi and asked what his thoughts were on who they should keep and who they should go after and they're doing exactly that. You can't sign any free agents yet. You can only come to an agreement. People should really stop thinking they have more knowledge of what's going on ������

[Mal]

Spurs need to sign Derrick Rose to a 1 year deal and see what happens. Can't have Patty Mills running the point till January.

It won't work. No sense in investing in Rose on 1 year deal, and also Rose will want more security. After all those injuries, I say he is still a project.

[jermaine]

Has anyone ever considered PATFO has gone to kawhi and asked what his thoughts were on who they should keep and who they should go after and they're doing exactly that. You can't sign any free agents yet. You can only come to an agreement. People should really stop thinking they have more knowledge of what's going on ������

Seriously.... I'm saying the samethang. Once people can sign, I'm sure we'll see moves from the Spurs. I would be surprised to see MacLamore, Thabo, or whoever after the 6th when they can officially sign. Why trade Green with no replacement??

[yavozerb]

I'm not going to lie say I wasnt little disappointed in missing on cp3, but there has been in my opinion no team who has passed over the spurs as the 2nd best team in nba. Not going to cry about that...

[outmap]

Seriously.... I'm saying the samethang. Once people can sign, I'm sure we'll see moves from the Spurs. I would be surprised to see MacLamore, Thabo, or whoever after the 6th when they can officially sign. Why trade Green with no replacement??

Mclemore signed with the Grizz.

[ace3g]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania) 10h (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/881697281988329472)
Free agent guard Justin Holiday has agreed to a two-year, $9 million deal with the Chicago Bulls, league sources tell The Vertical.

[tholdren]

Where is the best site to find a list of players who have not signed and their past contract

[sasaint]

Im guessing the team is still gonna roll out with Kawhi-Mills-Green-LMA-Gasol. Kinda depressing

Maybe. Knowing Patty's expressed desire to start, maybe that was part of PATFO's agreement with Patty. But I expect Pop to start Dijon and keep Patty with the second unit.

[ace3g]

DeMarre Carroll might be on the trade block?

[sasaint]

Paul-Harden-Anthony on the same team :lmao

Especially when Paul and Melo do not seem well suited to Pringles' up-tempo offense.

[sasaint]

DeMarre Carroll might be on the trade block?

Would be an expensive re-hab project. Pass.

[SpursFan86]

That McLemore deal was really solid for Memphis IMO...would definitely rather pay McLemore $6-7 million/year instead of giving Simmons $9 million a year. McLemore is younger, a better shooter, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he sees a noticeable improvement after leaving that god-awful Sacramento environment.

[jermaine]

Spurs will go with experience an SG an backup SF. Vince or Thabo

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
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Free agent guard Derrick Rose is meeting with Milwaukee Bucks officials today, league sources tell ESPN.

[tholdren]

Spurs will go with experience an SG an backup SF. Vince or Thabo

I would take either tbh.

[mo7888]

That McLemore deal was really solid for Memphis IMO...would definitely rather pay McLemore $6-7 million/year instead of giving Simmons $9 million a year. McLemore is younger, a better shooter, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he sees a noticeable improvement after leaving that god-awful Sacramento environment.

I agree with this

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) now (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881863218494402560)
Sources: Milwaukee's been trying to shed contracts to create space. Bucks need to make moves to get into position to sign significant FA's.

[AFBlue]

Wonder if the Spurs would be able to take on salary into their available space to snag Monroe.

[Atl Spur]

Has anyone ever considered PATFO has gone to kawhi and asked what his thoughts were on who they should keep and who they should go after and they're doing exactly that. You can't sign any free agents yet. You can only come to an agreement. People should really stop thinking they have more knowledge of what's going on ������
This

[Dverde]

Indubitably

[sasaint]

Indubitably

:lol

[ceperez]

Has anyone ever considered PATFO has gone to kawhi and asked what his thoughts were on who they should keep and who they should go after and they're doing exactly that. You can't sign any free agents yet. You can only come to an agreement. People should really stop thinking they have more knowledge of what's going on ������

If they did in fact ask Kawhi (which is likely), he may have preferred the route he took. That is develop players in the system.

My only disappointment is that Spurs did not trade for a draft pick. Perhaps nobody wants to trade with the Spurs and potentially get embarrassed.

[Joseph Kony]

Probably won't hear much out of the Spurs camp until FAs can officially sign

[Mal]

Wonder if the Spurs would be able to take on salary into their available space to snag Monroe.

I prefer paying Gasol his money, and get him off the books next summer over 1 year rental of Monroe

[Mal]

Probably won't hear much out of the Spurs camp until FAs can officially sign

Only when desperates ones are left on the market, that are seeking BAE, part of MLE deals etc to promote themselves. Dedmon made nice jump. Bayness, Boban, CoJo earned their money in Spurs organization. I think queue will be long.

[bklynspursfan]

Has anyone ever considered PATFO has gone to kawhi and asked what his thoughts were on who they should keep and who they should go after and they're doing exactly that. You can't sign any free agents yet. You can only come to an agreement. People should really stop thinking they have more knowledge of what's going on ������

It's so funny to see people talk on here like they know what the Spurs are and aren't trying to do, and get so worked up about it.

[davi78239]

What about CJ Miles??

[Chinook]

What about CJ Miles??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Va7Ws2koXg

[Atl Spur]

Tyreke Evans could be a great pick up for us playing the manu/Livingston role.

[Joseph Kony]

Surprised at the lack of talk about Evans in general, he would be a solid get off the bench

[peacemaker885]

Wow Milsap being offered 3 years 90M by the Nuggets, and hes atill thinking about it. No wonder PATFO cant bring in anyone.

[rjv]

It's so funny to see people talk on here like they know what the Spurs are and aren't trying to do, and get so worked up about it. it is quite entertaining. i would say that if ST was a NBA reporter, it would have the reliability of a 30 day weather forecast.

[ace3g]

Chris Haynes @ChrisBHaynes
(https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes) 16m (https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/881884337809108993)
Sources: After two years in Euroleague, former Portland big-man Joel Freeland has engaged in talks with teams to pursue an NBA comeback.

[DPG21920]

Have not heard anything about Hanga which seems odd.

[raybies]

Tyreke Evans could be a great pick up for us playing the manu/Livingston role.


Surprised at the lack of talk about Evans in general, he would be a solid get off the bench
I agree. He'd be a nice get. The longer the Spurs wait the more the prices go down theoretically.

[Dverde]

Evans would be a solid backup plan if Simmons goes. Last time he was a free agent, SA had no interest. They may not like his game.

[jermaine]

Cj miles, Evens probably already told teams they're signing with but they aren't announcing it until they can officially sign. There's no way I'm hell those two aren't on teams radar.

[MaNu4Tres]

Have not heard anything about Hanga which seems odd.

I think its a good sign that free agency has been going on in Europe and he hasn't done anything. He's probably waiting for the Spurs offseason to settle down.

[Chinook]

I think its a good sign that free agency has been going on in Europe and he hasn't done anything. He's probably waiting for the Spurs offseason to settle down.

I think there is still a possibility that the Spurs use cap space instead of exceptions this off-season. If Hanga indeed makes more than the min, the Spurs may not know yet how they'll go about signing him.

Incidentally, I wonder if SA and SAC are talking Simmons for Gay in a double S&T.

[Chinook]

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1588973

People on RealGM have more faith in the Spurs than ST. That's a first.

[bklynspursfan]

it is quite entertaining. i would say that if ST was a NBA reporter, it would have the reliability of a 30 day weather forecast.

Haha.. seriously. They get so mad at the front office too, like they know what's happening behind the scenes.

Entertaining is def the right word, the meltdown threads especially

[SAGirl]

I think there is still a possibility that the Spurs use cap space instead of exceptions this off-season. If Hanga indeed makes more than the min, the Spurs may not know yet how they'll go about signing him.

Incidentally, I wonder if SA and SAC are talking Simmons for Gay in a double S&T.

SAC tendered a max offer to Otto Porter. I think until certain chips fall... Simmons is not going to get a raise on the Spurs offer.

[DPG21920]

I think its a good sign that free agency has been going on in Europe and he hasn't done anything. He's probably waiting for the Spurs offseason to settle down.

For sure - he's obviously not top priority although I actually am really looking forward to adding another wing defender. I think we should add one more bigger wing (like CJ Miles or Casspi). Do that and I would be fairly happy with this off season.

[MaNu4Tres]

For sure - he's obviously not top priority although I actually am really looking forward to adding another wing defender. I think we should add one more bigger wing (like CJ Miles or Casspi). Do that and I would be fairly happy with this off season.

I'm glad they didn't attempt to overpay Millsap, Ibaka and kinda glad they didn't get CP3.

I just don't like what they did with Patty that early in Free Agency.

Really hope they can get Hanga to come over and get Festus on a cheap/low risk deal.

I still think the door is open for a LA trade too.

[Atl Spur]

Patty in a sign and trade with Philly(okafor) works for both teams

[rastaspur]

Evans is someone to consider. C.j. miles is not someone who who should be on the radar. Good offense but a crappy defender

[rastaspur]

SAC tendered a max offer to Otto Porter. I think until certain chips fall... Simmons is not going to get a raise on the Spurs offer.

I agree.

[ceperez]

Evans is someone to consider. C.j. miles is not someone who who should be on the radar. Good offense but a crappy defender

Evans seems to be injury prone, so not sure about Spurs paying premium for his services.

I would go with a much bigger Patrick Patterson.

[AFBlue]

Patty in a sign and trade with Philly(okafor) works for both teams

They wouldn't come out of the gate reporting a long-term deal with a guy just to trade him away on the third day of free agency. He's here to stay at least for the next year or two I would wager.

[Chinook]

SAC tendered a max offer to Otto Porter. I think until certain chips fall... Simmons is not going to get a raise on the Spurs offer.

I doubt the Spurs are going higher than the MLE. If they are willing to give him more in terms of APY, they're probably hoping for an offer sheet match. Just assuming that Porter is matched, though, the Spurs might well prefer S&Ting for Gay and keeping the MLE for Dedmon or some other big.

Murray, Green, Leonard, Gay, LMA
Mills, White, Anderson, Bertans, Gasol

[AFBlue]

I prefer paying Gasol his money, and get him off the books next summer over 1 year rental of Monroe

I understand the sentiment of "renting" a player, but based on the tweet it looked like there was some willingness on the part of the Bucks to shed salary without giving up much. Monroe is also unique in that he's a viable option for the future, so the Spurs would have a year to effectively try him out.

[rastaspur]

Evans seems to be injury prone, so not sure about Spurs paying premium for his services.

I would go with a much bigger Patrick Patterson.

The injury hI story is foncerning. For that reason he might want to do a 1 year deal to rehab his rep or a cheaper long term deal to account for the risk factor.

When healthy, an addition like tyreke could be very useful. He is capabe of being the primary distributor in stretches and taking a shit load of pressure off of kawhi.

Keeps patty off the ball more. So if derrick white can contribute some this year and tyreke were brought in that gives the team several utility knives type guards with good size and length.

Will be missing an athletic big but it gives the roster some decent flexibility.

[duncan2150]

At this point i hope Dedmon will stay in San Antonio.

[Joseph Kony]

Monroe...eww. A slower less athletic version of LMA without the midrange game. No thanks

[BatManu20]

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[MaNu4Tres]

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Trade LA to PHX for Chriss or MIA 18' 1st.

Use space to soak up Faried and get a pick from them.

Yes, Faried is a downgrade from LA but it will only last 1 yr. Then Spurs have two 1sts to show for Aldridge when he walks.

If Suns give Spurs Chriss, then Spurs have their starting PF/C for the future and the pick they got from DEN.

[DPG21920]

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[Mugen]

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Georgie's agent cost him big time when he turned down that 80mil extension tbh.

[Robz4000]

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Would've much rather preferred one year of Hill at $25-30M than four years of Mills at $12.5M/yr.

[AFBlue]

Monroe...eww. A slower less athletic version of LMA without the midrange game. No thanks

If only that comparison weren't actual garbage, I'd agree with you. Much more effective scorer (FG% and TS%), much better rebounder and passer. Yes, he lacks a stretch game and won't provide rim protection, but he's a much better fit inside the offense.

He wouldn't be an "LMA replacement" either this year or in future years in terms of his usage or role within the offense. But he could be a good piece of the puzzle.

[Mr. Body]

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Georgie's agent cost him big time when he turned down that 80mil extension tbh.

Maybe he really, really doesn't want to stay in Utah.

[Robz4000]

If only that comparison weren't actual garbage, I'd agree with you. Much more effective scorer (FG% and TS%), much better rebounder and passer. Yes, he lacks a stretch game and won't provide rim protection, but he's a much better fit inside the offense.

He wouldn't be an "LMA replacement" either this year or in future years in terms of his usage or role within the offense. But he could be a good piece of the puzzle.

There's a reason MIL has been wanting to dump him for years now and why DET had been trying to do so before. He sucks.

[Chinook]

Maybe he really, really doesn't want to stay in Utah.

They traded for Rubio. That probably sapped their interest unless they get someone to take on Burks.

[BatManu20]

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[DPG21920]

I don't get how SA could not carve out the money for a 1 year deal?

[SAGirl]

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Georgie's agent cost him big time when he turned down that 80mil extension tbh.

big time.

I kind of feel sorry for him getting greedy. After last season's FA bonanza and how many guys were overpaid, he didn't predict the market would be this tight, but frankly some of the best prospects in the draft this summer were PG anyway, and Georgie is getting old and has been injury prone. Looking back, that Utah offer was nice, and they really liked him + he played very well there, fit in really well and they could have kept their core.... /sigh Too bad for G.Hill.

[AFBlue]

I don't get how SA could not carve out the money for a 1 year deal?

Carrying five PGs seems excessive doesn't it?

[DPG21920]

Carrying five PGs seems excessive doesn't it?

Not when you don't have any for sure starting-level PG's and one is clearly better than all the rest (meaning Hill)

[MannyIsGod]

I don't get how SA could not carve out the money for a 1 year deal?

The one year deal is pretty obviously a recent development because Hill wasn't getting what he wanted over multiple years. I think the Spurs-Hill talks were no where near being fruitful and broke off long before Hill got this desperate.

I'm assuming your'e talking about why they didn't offer a one year deal, because picking him up now for 1 year would be a mistake, IMO.

[MannyIsGod]

Not when you don't have any for sure starting-level PG's and one is clearly better than all the rest (meaning Hill)

If the Spurs have a title chance in the next 5 years it involves Murray being a star. A one year George Hill rental just gets in the way of that. No thanks.

Its time to roll the dice and hope the Spurs struck some Manu/Parker level luck.

[cjw]

Would've much rather preferred one year of Hill at $25-30M than four years of Mills at $12.5M/yr.

It doesn't work that way. To get Hill for that kind of money would have required massive roster dumps elsewhere.

[Chinook]

This is what's missing from the Spurs' offense:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpeIur9bv9o

This is what it looks like now:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMukb_vvBXY

This exact same thing is happening with the motion sets too. It's all just different ways to set up isos. Even Zipper plays that led to post-ups had great movement, which prevented help defense. People can blame the players all they want, but Pop just isn't running the sets the way he needs to to get guys good shots.

[cd98]

Carrying five PGs seems excessive doesn't it?

In fairness, they are combo guards, so you can play them at the one and two, and maybe even Murray at the 3 for a little.

[Leetonidas]

Just saw some news article where Maradona (Argentinean soccer player) claims Manu is returning next season. Not sure how he would know this but take it for what it's worth

[BatManu20]

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[GSH]

The one year deal is pretty obviously a recent development because Hill wasn't getting what he wanted over multiple years. I think the Spurs-Hill talks were no where near being fruitful and broke off long before Hill got this desperate.

I'm assuming your'e talking about why they didn't offer a one year deal, because picking him up now for 1 year would be a mistake, IMO.

If the Spurs have a title chance in the next 5 years it involves Murray being a star. A one year George Hill rental just gets in the way of that. No thanks.

Its time to roll the dice and hope the Spurs struck some Manu/Parker level luck.


You're dead on with all of that.

What these contracts should be telling people is that drafting well is key, and rookie scale contracts are a gold mine. You just can't bring in enough players from outside to say out of the lux tax. Isiah Thomas went 60th in the draft. Had he gone to the Spurs at that time, he probably couldn't have gotten enough minutes for anyone to know that he could be a starter. Murray showed a lot, when he got thrown into the fire. White made the first round, after having no D1 scholarship offers coming out of HS - guys who have done that turned out to be late bloomers who were very good NBA players. I really wish the Spurs had just rolled with those two, and shored up other parts of the roster this year. If they don't have what it takes, they would have had the flexibility to go after a top PG next year.

Sign Hill now? They already have Mills who is going to soak up a lot of minutes. If/when Tony comes back, there won't be many minutes for Murray, and none for White.

[BatManu20]

If only Parker's contract was off the books, tbh,

[cd021]

I doubt the Spurs are going higher than the MLE. If they are willing to give him more in terms of APY, they're probably hoping for an offer sheet match. Just assuming that Porter is matched, though, the Spurs might well prefer S&Ting for Gay and keeping the MLE for Dedmon or some other big.

Murray, Green, Leonard, Gay, LMA
Mills, White, Anderson, Bertans, Gasol

Prefer to have Simmons back for an affordable price but that is a pretty good alternative, especially if Aldridge plays the 5 with Gay at the starting 4

[BatManu20]

:lol

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[SAGirl]

This is what's missing from the Spurs' offense:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpeIur9bv9o

This is what it looks like now:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMukb_vvBXY

This exact same thing is happening with the motion sets too. It's all just different ways to set up isos. Even Zipper plays that led to post-ups had great movement, which prevented help defense. People can blame the players all they want, but Pop just isn't running the sets the way he needs to to get guys good shots.
you know what I don't like about that... that Lma should pop to the 3.
It's diffferent personnel that the offense is around and Kawhi is not going to be zipping around like Tony... its fine if they get their shots a little different, but in the first video it was Danny at the top of the key or in the wings ending up with a good open 3... in the Kawhi and LMA PnP, it ends up in a 2 pt shot by LMA... it's less valuable, and less threatening to a defense. Say the guy who pops is Bertans for an open 3, that is a whole lot more dangerous. If LMA wants to continue as a soft jumpshooting big, he needs to shoot the 3.

[GSH]

This is what's missing from the Spurs' offense:


This is what it looks like now:



This exact same thing is happening with the motion sets too. It's all just different ways to set up isos. Even Zipper plays that led to post-ups had great movement, which prevented help defense. People can blame the players all they want, but Pop just isn't running the sets the way he needs to to get guys good shots.


Just a quick scan through those videos, Chinook, and what jumps out at me is an extreme lack of effective picks in the second series. A lot of going through the motions. The difference in Tim, Tiago, and Boris vs. now is pretty big. And it's fundamental to a lot of those plays.

[spursistan]

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[BatManu20]

VlaVASfzYgM

[SAGirl]

Just a quick scan through those videos, Chinook, and what jumps out at me is an extreme lack of effective picks in the second series. A lot of going through the motions. The difference in Tim, Tiago, and Boris vs. now is pretty big. And it's fundamental to a lot of those plays.

That is present absolutely everywhere... by all the bigs.
the best pick setter is Pau IMO.
LMA barely moves or grazes anyone, he's lazy all the time. They more I look at him the less I like him.
DAvis also doesn't make contact, he's very slim too which doesn't help... but he's quick as a cat getting open, just needs a guy who can find him. A lot was said early in the season that he wasn't shooting enough, but he wasn't getting free bc he was not setting good picks at all.
I think another reason Dedmon also didn't get free for as many lobs as he could have was that he also didn't make contact on picks (afraid to get called for a foul maybe?)
I did like Lee's picks.

I'd take Baynsie back just bc his massive body can get any guard free.

[Chinook]

you know what I don't like about that... that Lma should pop to the 3.
It's diffferent personnel that the offense is around and Kawhi is not going to be zipping around like Tony... its fine if they get their shots a little different, but in the first video it was Danny at the top of the key or in the wings ending up with a good open 3... in the Kawhi and LMA PnP, it ends up in a 2 pt shot by LMA... it's less valuable, and less threatening to a defense. Say the guy who pops is Bertans for an open 3, that is a whole lot more dangerous. If LMA wants to continue as a soft jumpshooting big, he needs to shoot the 3.

Here's the problem as I see it: Kawhi is getting the ball off the zipper cut and goes into a high PnR almost every time. There's opportunity to do anything else. It's just an iso against poor spacing. If you take the first vid and see where Green got the ball, not only would that work for Leonard with him being able to shot, but those are MUCH better positions from which to attack. Maybe LMA should pop, but as the second option, he could also get looks like the ones Tim got in 2013.

In addition to that, running the ZS the way they used to would allow them to get a guard better looks than they'll get off ISOs. Neither Murray nor Mills is an ideal fit for the Parker role, but forcing the D to focus on more than just one guy is how you get a balanced offense. The Zipper Series had plays for everyone in it back then. Now it's pretty much high-PnR or bust.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxCihOz6_UU

Imagine those Green drives were Leonard drives instead. So much better than high PnRs.

[GSH]

881938632398983170


Hill got some bad advice. Maybe a lot of those stories about him getting near-max were started by his agent. That was a colossal screw up, if the Jazz offered him a multi-year at $20M per.

If he signs a 1-year deal, and has a great year, he can salvage things. If he signs a 1-year deal and gets injured again? Or even if he comes off the bench? He just threw away a pile of cash.

[SAGirl]

881938632398983170

George Hill = the loser in FA.
Feel bad for him...

Maybe Spurs will avoid being loser no. 2... they aren't looking too good right now. :lol

[BatManu20]

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[Chinook]

Just a quick scan through those videos, Chinook, and what jumps out at me is an extreme lack of effective picks in the second series. A lot of going through the motions. The difference in Tim, Tiago, and Boris vs. now is pretty big. And it's fundamental to a lot of those plays.

The same thing is there when looking at the motion sets too. That cross-screen to free up the four at the beginning of Motion Weak has been terrible for a couple of years. There's also a lack of urgency when it comes to making passes and getting into position to receive them.

That being said, they used to only run the high-PnR during the Zipper Series as a last resort, because it's a terrible play. Now, that's almost all they do. They need plays were Kawhi and LMA don't have the ball for most of the clock so they can get into attacking position. I don't know if Pop simplified it because the Spurs could no longer run something complex, or if the simplification led to the lethargy the team has on that end.

[sasaint]

The same thing is there when looking at the motion sets too. That cross-screen to free up the four at the beginning of Motion Weak has been terrible for a couple of years. There's also a lack of urgency when it comes to making passes and getting into position to receive them.

That being said, they used to only run the high-PnR during the Zipper Series as a last resort, because it's a terrible play. Now, that's almost all they do. They need plays were Kawhi and LMA don't have the ball for most of the clock so they can get into attacking position. I don't know if Pop simplified it because the Spurs could no longer run something complex, or if the simplification led to the lethargy the team has on that end.

Guess who?

[GSH]

The same thing is there when looking at the motion sets too. That cross-screen to free up the four at the beginning of Motion Weak has been terrible for a couple of years. There's also a lack of urgency when it comes to making passes and getting into position to receive them.


That being said, they used to only run the high-PnR during the Zipper Series as a last resort, because it's a terrible play. Now, that's almost all they do. They need plays were Kawhi and LMA don't have the ball for most of the clock so they can get into attacking position. I don't know if Pop simplified it because the Spurs could no longer run something complex, or if the simplification led to the lethargy the team has on that end.


Yeah, don't even get me started on the lack of urgency in the passing game. But I totally agree with the rest of what you said earlier. And, yeah, a lot of that is definitely on Pop. And I don't understand it.

[ceperez]

The same thing is there when looking at the motion sets too. That cross-screen to free up the four at the beginning of Motion Weak has been terrible for a couple of years. There's also a lack of urgency when it comes to making passes and getting into position to receive them.

That being said, they used to only run the high-PnR during the Zipper Series as a last resort, because it's a terrible play. Now, that's almost all they do. They need plays were Kawhi and LMA don't have the ball for most of the clock so they can get into attacking position. I don't know if Pop simplified it because the Spurs could no longer run something complex, or if the simplification led to the lethargy the team has on that end.

When you lose 3 high IQ bigs like Duncan, Diaw and Tiago then I'm not surprised that the execution is wanting.

[Chinook]

When you lose 3 high IQ bigs like Duncan, Diaw and Tiago then I'm not surprised that the execution is wanting.

That only explains so much. I said earlier that the Spurs should have focused their off-season on acquiring players who could fit the motion offense of old, but I'm not seeing it so far. Biggest issue by far is figuring out where Leonard is supposed to be in those sets. I'd rather him play the four in the motion sets and have Bertans start next to LMA than putting Aldridge in that spot, given how terrible the cross-screen has been so far.

[GSH]

When you lose 3 high IQ bigs like Duncan, Diaw and Tiago then I'm not surprised that the execution is wanting.

:lol Yeah, I think most people underestimate that. Like they didn't understand Fabbs, or why so many players liked having him on the court with them.

But that still doesn't make sense out of Pop's part.

[Robz4000]

It doesn't work that way. To get Hill for that kind of money would have required massive roster dumps elsewhere.

If they renounced all their FAs or go through with trading Green they definitely could've. Hill > Simmons and Mills even though I'm not a big fan of Hill.

[Chinook]

If they renounced all their FAs or go through with trading Green they definitely could've. Hill > Simmons and Mills even though I'm not a big fan of Hill.

They still didn't have the money, even ignoring Gasol.

[GSH]

They still didn't have the money, even ignoring Gasol.


I'm not pushing for Hill, so let's don't go down that path. But can't the Spurs still waive and stretch Tony, and clear about $10M in extra space for this season? Or use him in a trade to someone who could then waive and stretch him - the Spurs could send out $15M in salary, and the other team could get out of that same $10M? So some of these teams that are looking for younger pieces could send out a vet contract, and still have some cash for a younger guy?

I don't think there's much chance that the FO does that, but technically they could make a deal, if the right one came along... right?

[objective]

I'm glad they didn't attempt to overpay Millsap, Ibaka and kinda glad they didn't get CP3.

I just don't like what they did with Patty that early in Free Agency.

Really hope they can get Hanga to come over and get Festus on a cheap/low risk deal.

I still think the door is open for a LA trade too.

I've posted it before but Festus had an injury and surgical operation that a lot of media types fear is career ending.

He wants to play again, but getting a surgery involving cadaver part transplants meant long recovery time.

He might never play again or be cleared for awhile.

Anything over the unguaranteed minimum would be reckless.

[Chinook]

I'm not pushing for Hill, so let's don't go down that path. But can't the Spurs still waive and stretch Tony, and clear about $10M in extra space for this season? Or use him in a trade to someone who could then waive and stretch him - the Spurs could send out $15M in salary, and the other team could get out of that same $10M? So some of these teams that are looking for younger pieces could send out a vet contract, and still have some cash for a younger guy?

I don't think there's much chance that the FO does that, but technically they could make a deal, if the right one came along... right?

Indeed they can get rid of Tony (though another team taking Tony to stretch him would make zero sense) to make room for whomever. I was just replying to Robz' post, which implied that Mills and Simmons or Green prevented the Spurs from having $30 Million in cap space.

[cd021]

881943477789052931

Part of me hope he returns to Utah, I want the West to be as loaded as possible to make it more difficult for GSW.

[CGD]

This is what's missing from the Spurs' offense:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpeIur9bv9o

This is what it looks like now:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMukb_vvBXY

This exact same thing is happening with the motion sets too. It's all just different ways to set up isos. Even Zipper plays that led to post-ups had great movement, which prevented help defense. People can blame the players all they want, but Pop just isn't running the sets the way he needs to to get guys good shots.

I get what you're saying, but to be fair Zipper really was at peak effectiveness when we had a 2011 Tony Parker who could just endlessly run around + had talent to probe and find the mismatch. That TP left us after the 2014 title run. Sure you can find any fool to run around a lot, but you really need someone with elite decision making ability too, which is why Mills is a poor substitute.

The offense has shifted to Kawhi, and, for now anyway, he's most effective as a one on one player. I think Pop is just playing to the competitive advantage, even if it's not always aesthetically pleasing.

[HarlemHeat37]

Part of me hope he returns to Utah, I want the West to be as loaded as possible to make it more difficult for GSW.

The problem with all this talent in the West is that none of them are actually joining forces:lol spreading the talent out across teams is not going to do anything against the Warriors..teams like Houston needed a guy like Millsap to complete their team, rather than going to Denver and forming a good, but not great team..

[Chinook]

I get what you're saying, but to be fair Zipper really was at peak effectiveness when we had a 2011 Tony Parker who could just endlessly run around + had talent to probe and find the mismatch. That TP left us after the 2014 title run. Sure you can find any fool to run around a lot, but you really need someone with elite decision making ability too, which is why Mills is a poor substitute.

The offense has shifted to Kawhi, and, for now anyway, he's most effective as a one on one player. I think Pop is just playing to the competitive advantage, even if it's not always aesthetically pleasing.

The offense isn't just aesthetically displeasing. It's bad. It's a prime reason why no one can get going for long stretches. Just because Kawhi is a better iso guy doesn't mean you break an offense for that. You need to put him in positions where a) it's even easier to iso and b) the defense has to make a quick and predictable decision on whether to help. This is even more important if Murray is going to start.

[tonight...you]

The problem with all this talent in the West is that none of them are actually joining forces:lol spreading the talent out across teams is not going to do anything against the Warriors..teams like Houston needed a guy like Millsap to complete their team, rather than going to Denver and forming a good, but not great team..
Really it's just going to make the Finals looks like the Keystone Cops coming from the East, if anything.

[Hoops Czar]

The offense isn't just aesthetically displeasing. It's bad. It's a prime reason why no one can get going for long stretches. Just because Kawhi is a better iso guy doesn't mean you break an offense for that. You need to put him in positions where a) it's even easier to iso and b) the defense has to make a quick and predictable decision on whether to help. This is even more important if Murray is going to start.

[GSH]

(though another team taking Tony to stretch him would make zero sense)


Just saying. Several teams say they are looking for youth. Up against the cap, they could trade a $15M vet who doesn't fit their plans. I think Parker would retire - so my thought was that they could not only stretch him, but claim a Disabled Player exception, and have that in addition to opening up the $10M from the stretch. That's not full value, but it would also mean they don't have to cough up a pick to dump their guy.

Not likely, but no trades ever are. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong.

[cjw]

If they renounced all their FAs or go through with trading Green they definitely could've. Hill > Simmons and Mills even though I'm not a big fan of Hill.

It's not Hill or Mills and Simmons. Hill would have required renouncing Gasol (assume Parker not stretched) and possibly having to move Green. Also, would have meant room exception instead of larger MLE

[pad300]

Monroe...eww. A slower less athletic version of LMA without the midrange game. No thanks

Really, look at the following page: http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=82&player_ids%5B%5D=273&season=2016

If we can get Monroe for Aldridge, we are getting a better player. In particular, a much better rebounder (3.1 rbds/40 better) , who's TS% is 4% higher! (ie for being inefficient, 3% less than average, to 1% above average). We also get rid of a cancerous pussy wuss-boy who has not bought in to winning... I'll take that.

[CGD]

The offense isn't just aesthetically displeasing. It's bad. It's a prime reason why no one can get going for long stretches. Just because Kawhi is a better iso guy doesn't mean you break an offense for that. You need to put him in positions where a) it's even easier to iso and b) the defense has to make a quick and predictable decision on whether to help. This is even more important if Murray is going to start.

I guess it really does come down to whether Murray is starting at this point given how the offseason has gone. They really need someone who can credibly make the reads on motion/zip like Tony could.

For as great as Leonard is, he's not a guy yet that's setting others up on a consistent basis. And again, it's not just about having the stamina to run around multiple screens, etc., the person has to be an elite decision making on the catch.

[TD 21]

Trade LA to PHX for Chriss or MIA 18' 1st.

Use space to soak up Faried and get a pick from them.

Yes, Faried is a downgrade from LA but it will only last 1 yr. Then Spurs have two 1sts to show for Aldridge when he walks.

If Suns give Spurs Chriss, then Spurs have their starting PF/C for the future and the pick they got from DEN.

:tu

Most are too narrow minded to think outside the box. I bet their only thought when they see this is "ew, Faried".

Fits with trying to remain competitive now but also building for the future. Sure, current 2nd round ceiling would be less likely, but would remain. More importantly, they'd come out of it with what you said.

[Chinook]

Just saying. Several teams say they are looking for youth. Up against the cap, they could trade a $15M vet who doesn't fit their plans. I think Parker would retire - so my thought was that they could not only stretch him, but claim a Disabled Player exception, and have that in addition to opening up the $10M from the stretch. That's not full value, but it would also mean they don't have to cough up a pick to dump their guy.

Not likely, but no trades ever are. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong.

But then that team will be on the hook for Tony's salary for two more years. Anyone who is willing to absorbs Parker's contract into cap space or a TE isn't likely to want to use future flexibility on Tony's deal any more than SA seems willing to.

[Chinook]

:tu

Most are too narrow minded to think outside the box. I bet their only thought when they see this is "ew, Faried".

Fits with trying to remain competitive now but also building for the future. Sure, current 2nd round ceiling would be less likely, but would remain. More importantly, they'd come out of it with what you said.

This isn't an innovative take. It's been an idea since last year (though not the Denver part specifically, I guess). Most on ST would trade LMA for a bag of chips; getting Chriss would have been a steal. I like LMA a lot more than most, but I would have done something similar to the PHX trade before the Mills deal came out. As it is, I'm not sure the Spurs have any window at all if they do this but take on Faried. They lose in the second round without LMA; they might have even lost in the first if Pau and Faried where the front court against Gasol, Randolph and Green.

Ignoring all that, though, your disposition has been weird lately. You keep trying to jab at posters for not wanting to "think outside the box", while also trying to claim victory when PAFTO makes the straightforward move of re-upping Mills. Are we supposed to be dreamers or pessimists in order to avoid your judgment?

[Robz4000]

Indeed they can get rid of Tony (though another team taking Tony to stretch him would make zero sense) to make room for whomever. I was just replying to Robz' post, which implied that Mills and Simmons or Green prevented the Spurs from having $30 Million in cap space.

Guess I'm misinformed. Been operating under the assumption their capholds were more than they were.

[Chinook]

Guess I'm misinformed. Been operating under the assumption their capholds were more than they were.

Maybe, or you might have been thinking we were factoring in Mills' and Simmons' cap holds in the various scenarios.

[rjv]

just wish there was some activity soon. it will be nice to read about what actually happens versus all the ST multiverse scenarios that will never come to fruition.

[raybies]

881953535792783360

sold?

[jermaine]

881953535792783360

sold?

Did the ring with the Spurs?? Ole Golden 1.... I'd take him back..

[tonight...you]

881953535792783360

sold?
Yup. On the cheap? Yes. Old boy looking for that loot? Go somewhere else, but I would have a smile on my face, should he join and hopefully last at least 60 games and be healthy for the playoffs.

[tonight...you]

Did the ring with the Spurs?? Ole Golden 1.... I'd take him back..
Bro... And dammit, I like you a lot jermaine!
If I was in SA, you'd probably be the 1st person I contact.

"Hey, uh... you don't know me, but we Spurs fans and talk on Spurstalk and um... me and my girl wanna go hang for a game. You down?"

[TD 21]

This isn't an innovative take. It's been an idea since last year (though not the Denver part specifically, I guess). Most on ST would trade LMA for a bag of chips; getting Chriss would have been a steal. I like LMA a lot more than most, but I would have done something similar to the PHX trade before the Mills deal came out. As it is, I'm not sure the Spurs have any window at all if they do this but take on Faried. They lose in the second round without LMA; they might have even lost in the first if Pau and Faried where the front court against Gasol, Randolph and Green.

Ignoring all that, though, your disposition has been weird lately. You keep trying to jab at posters for not wanting to "think outside the box", while also trying to claim victory when PAFTO makes the straightforward move of re-upping Mills. Are we supposed to be dreamers or pessimists in order to avoid your judgment?

Innovative or not, it's a good idea. You just don't like the source. Presuming relative health for everyone, they lose in the 2nd round with Aldridge. They probably lose in the 1st if they do this, but it would be well worth it to get their PF of the future and a future 1st.

Two different things. I don't have to like the path they're headed down to know it would be the path. If it was so "straightforward", then why did so many argue me all season that Mills was a goner and that he'd get significantly more than he did? I never mind the criticism when it's warranted, but just make sure to be consistent.

What you call judgemental, I call being a realist. Our debate a few days ago about Millsap/Hill vs Aldridge/Green, I can see your side of it. What I can't see, is this idea that this team is a contender or will be able to become one again in '18. When the dust settles from this off season, not only are they not going to have as much cap space as many seem to think, but more importantly the only potential available game changer to spend it on (Cousins), they won't touch with a ten foot pool.

[objective]

Rumor a few days ago on a Greek Panathanaikos fan blog? alleged that Splitter was a target for Panathanaikos. They could pay him more than the minimum I'm sure.

[szkorhetz]

Yup. On the cheap? Yes. Old boy looking for that loot? Go somewhere else, but I would have a smile on my face, should he join and hopefully last at least 60 games and be healthy for the playoffs.
I am 99% sure, he'll be back.

[objective]

Trade LA to PHX for Chriss or MIA 18' 1st.

Use space to soak up Faried and get a pick from them.

Yes, Faried is a downgrade from LA but it will only last 1 yr. Then Spurs have two 1sts to show for Aldridge when he walks.

If Suns give Spurs Chriss, then Spurs have their starting PF/C for the future and the pick they got from DEN.

Re: Faried

He has two years left on his deal ... That's not so good for a negative player

But I guess if Mills is getting laugher money while the team crumbles then Faried will fit right in

[sasaint]

I am 99% sure, he'll be back.

Hmmm... What makes you so certain?

[tdunk21]

wtf did he do to get this much interest from teams

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[DPG21920]

If the Spurs have a title chance in the next 5 years it involves Murray being a star. A one year George Hill rental just gets in the way of that. No thanks.

Its time to roll the dice and hope the Spurs struck some Manu/Parker level luck.

I agree 100% and I'm fine with giving the keys to Murray. However, I view Hill as a combo guard and maybe Danny replacement in certain lineups in place of Mills.

I think the Spurs know they have to not go crazy with PG since Murray is there, but that means they have to make talent strides elsewhere.

[Dex]

[QUOTE=tdunk21;9074103]wtf did he do to get this much interest from teams

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[raybies]

We desperately need a young big prospect. Missed on Jokic and now Zubac imo. Bolden could of been that this year me thinks, but sooner rather than later. If Murray pans out, we'd just be missing a big. Aldridge is gone next year if he stays and now Phoenix who has two prospect bigs won't deal, Denver doesn't have any... Maybe Miami if they get Hayward they'd consider Aldridge. I guess I'd take Adebayo and Winslow. Better than lose him for nothing.

[raybies]

3 team trade with Lakers

would you do?
LA LMA
SA Nance Jr/Kuzma & Zubac
PHX/BROOKLYN Luol Deng, 1st from Spurs, Hanga

if Lakers sign Hill they might be interested in LMA. Magic might think he could handle LMA...

Lonzo/Hill/Ingram/Aldridge/Lopez

[Vic Petro]

881987635803283456

[AFBlue]

Really, look at the following page: http://www.boxscoregeeks.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=82&player_ids%5B%5D=273&season=2016

If we can get Monroe for Aldridge, we are getting a better player. In particular, a much better rebounder (3.1 rbds/40 better) , who's TS% is 4% higher! (ie for being inefficient, 3% less than average, to 1% above average). We also get rid of a cancerous pussy wuss-boy who has not bought in to winning... I'll take that.

Quit it with your data-based, reasoned arguments. We only subscribe to hyperbole and generalizations here!

[cd021]

We desperately need a young big prospect. Missed on Jokic and now Zubac imo. Bolden could of been that this year me thinks, but sooner rather than later. If Murray pans out, we'd just be missing a big. Aldridge is gone next year if he stays and now Phoenix who has two prospect bigs won't deal, Denver doesn't have any... Maybe Miami if they get Hayward they'd consider Aldridge. I guess I'd take Adebayo and Winslow. Better than lose him for nothing.

Why would they trade either, makes little sense.

[TimDunkem]

Bam is looking like a real player and Winslow is a jumpsuit away from being a legitimate contributor on a contending team. They wouldn't trade them for a pussy who doesn't even show up to camp in shape.

[SAGirl]

3 team trade with Lakers

would you do?
LA LMA
SA Nance Jr/Kuzma & Zubac
PHX/BROOKLYN Luol Deng, 1st from Spurs, Hanga

if Lakers sign Hill they might be interested in LMA. Magic might think he could handle LMA...

Lonzo/Hill/Ingram/Aldridge/Lopez

having to give up Hanga and a 1st to dump lamarcus? No.

Look what I found out in twitter:
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[tonight...you]

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Let him forever be The Servant.

[TD 21]

Aldridge will be gone for nothing in a year and as bad as he was last season, before that he was a top 20 player for a half a decade. The odds of Murray getting to that level are obviously slim and even if he does, that's not enough. They'd still need at least one other star.

Since there's no clear path to one, they should have been in on Millsap. Probably could have had him for essentially 2/$38-39M. Aldridge will make $21-22M next season anyway, so add $8-9M, plus $30M the following season and then decline the team option for the one after that. Could have then mostly salary dumped Aldridge.


We desperately need a young big prospect. Missed on Jokic and now Zubac imo. Bolden could of been that this year me thinks, but sooner rather than later. If Murray pans out, we'd just be missing a big. Aldridge is gone next year if he stays and now Phoenix who has two prospect bigs won't deal, Denver doesn't have any... Maybe Miami if they get Hayward they'd consider Aldridge. I guess I'd take Adebayo and Winslow. Better than lose him for nothing.

If Aldridge could return a package like Winslow and Adebayo, he'd have been moved by now. It's not that they're great prospects, but as witnessed with recent moves, that's potentially the makings of a package for a star.

Heat had interest before Whiteside became mainstay and playing traditional is antithesis of what Heat have been for half a decade.

[DPG21920]

I'm honestly not so sure SA wants to move LMA. I think for many reasons: 1) They seem to believe their team healthy is damn good (it is). 2) They know cap space is critical coming up and just dumping LMA for a mediocre package is not enticing when you factor in 1.

I'm pretty sure they want to keep LMA this year and at best have him up his value during the regular season and/or give this team time to gel more and see what happens with Murray at the helm.

[tonight...you]

3 team trade with Lakers

would you do?
LA LMA
SA Nance Jr/Kuzma & Zubac
PHX/BROOKLYN Luol Deng, 1st from Spurs, Hanga

if Lakers sign Hill they might be interested in LMA. Magic might think he could handle LMA...

Lonzo/Hill/Ingram/Aldridge/Lopez
You've been here long enough.
No excuse for this shit nowadays, brother.
At least do some research in the cap and shit, much less team fit and all that stuff that goes in. Much less what another team would want...

[Nathan89]

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That's what happens when max contracts are capped and you make hundreds of millions off the court. He's not a competitor. He's just trying to rack up on paper accomplishments and have the media and casuals circle jerk to them.

[jermaine]

Bro... And dammit, I like you a lot jermaine!
If I was in SA, you'd probably be the 1st person I contact.

"Hey, uh... you don't know me, but we Spurs fans and talk on Spurstalk and um... me and my girl wanna go hang for a game. You down?"

I wouldn't be the 1 if you was in San Antonio, cuz I'm in Dallas... Lol

[tonight...you]

I'm honestly not so sure SA wants to move LMA. I think for many reasons: 1) They seem to believe their team healthy is damn good (it is). 2) They know cap space is critical coming up and just dumping LMA for a mediocre package is not enticing when you factor in 1.

I'm pretty sure they want to keep LMA this year, and at best, have him up his value during the regular season and/or give this team time to gel more and see what happens with Murray at the helm.
Agreed. He may be upset, but this guy gives a shit. He gives a shit about himself and he's in a contract year. Hence why he's looking out for himself and his #'s.
Old boy will bust his butt. He'll downplay the media and their questions, no matter how legit.

Good. Ride his ass and send him off. Get that space and hope to Gawd we can bring some stellar, team-fitting talent in '18.

I don't expect it, but I hope for it.

[tonight...you]

I wouldn't be the 1 if you was in San Antonio, cuz I'm in Dallas... Lol
Dizamn. I hate Dallas. Those high1way lanes are too tiny for a professional drunk driver. You still killer in my book though. I head to Dallas, for some cray reason (like a shoot, but I don't see why, in the near future)- I'll be hitting my man up. I ain't into craziness anymore though... more into chill- live jazz shit nowadays.

That's been my thing, and wifey loves it, so all good in my hood.

[Hoops Czar]

That's what happens when max contracts are capped and you make hundreds of millions off the court. He's not a competitor. He's just trying to rack up on paper accomplishments and have the media and casuals circle jerk to them.
But if he did that for the Spurs, he'd be an American hero and sold on winning. I guess when Duncan and Ginobili took pay cuts to keep the team nucleus together, they were only interested in paper accomplishments while the media and casuals circle jerked them.

[tonight...you]

I am 99% sure, he'll be back.
I always liked you...

[tmtcsc]

Agreed. He may be upset, but this guy gives a shit. He gives a shit about himself and he's in a contract year. Hence why he's looking out for himself and his #'s.
Old boy will bust his butt. He'll downplay the media and their questions, no matter how legit.

Good. Ride his ass and send him off. Get that space and hope to Gawd we can bring some stellar, team-fitting talent in '18.

I don't expect it, but I hope for it.

Yep. :bobo

[jermaine]

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At 1st this nicca was against super teams. Now that he's taste that sweet nectar of being on top of the world, he's ready to leave millions on the table for it... lmmfao Pussy nigga want it easy for the rest of his faggot ass career

[tmtcsc]

That's what happens when max contracts are capped and you make hundreds of millions off the court. He's not a competitor. He's just trying to rack up on paper accomplishments and have the media and casuals circle jerk to them.

I give him 0 credit for anything he accomplishes with Golden State. Fake generous, fake humble, fake tough. Just a fake ass player with acne. Fuck him and the Warriors.

[tonight...you]

But if he did that for the Spurs, he'd be an American hero and sold on winning. I guess when Duncan and Ginobili took pay cuts to keep the team nucleus together, they were only interested in paper accomplishments while the media and casuals circle jerked them.
Too true, I would have been singing "Believe it, or not- I'm walking on air. I never thought I could be so free-ee-eeeee... Flying in air, on a wing and a prayer. Who could it be? Believe it, or not, it's just me..."

Old TV show. Greatest American Hero.

And yeah, I would have been a total hypocrite about it. Just like you. And you. And you. And all of you!

[raybies]

Why would they trade either, makes little sense.


Aldridge will be gone for nothing in a year and as bad as he was last season, before that he was a top 20 player for a half a decade. The odds of Murray getting to that level are obviously slim and even if he does, that's not enough. They'd still need at least one other star.

Since there's no clear path to one, they should have been in on Millsap. Probably could have had him for essentially 2/$38-39M. Aldridge will make $21-22M next season anyway, so add $8-9M, plus $30M the following season and then decline the team option for the one after that. Could have then mostly salary dumped Aldridge.



If Aldridge could return a package like Winslow and Adebayo, he'd have been moved by now. It's not that they're great prospects, but as witnessed with recent moves, that's potentially the makings of a package for a star.

Heat had interest before Whiteside became mainstay and playing traditional is antithesis of what Heat have been for half a decade.


You've been here long enough.
No excuse for this shit nowadays, brother.
At least do some research in the cap and shit, much less team fit and all that stuff that goes in. Much less what another team would want...
I know, I know. Slow day and I want to believe there's something on the table. Plus im high on Zubac.

[tmtcsc]

At 1st this nicca was against super teams. Now that he's taste that sweet nectar of being on top of the world, he's ready to leave millions on the table for it... lmmfao Pussy nigga want it easy for the rest of his faggot ass career


Shit, I thought I said it well but I think I like your take even better.

[tonight...you]

I give him 0 credit for anything he accomplishes with Golden State. Fake generous, fake humble, fake tough. Just a fake ass player with acne. Fuck him and the Warriors.
We would have embraced this shit like Santa showing up when we were 3 years old.

[tmtcsc]

Too true, I would have been singing "Believe it, or not- I'm walking on air. I never thought I could be so free-ee-eeeee... Flying in air, on a wing and a prayer. Who could it be? Believe it, or not, it's just me..."

Old TV show. Greatest American Hero.

And yeah, I would have been a total hypocrite about it. Just like you. And you. And you. And all of you!

Lol, I remember it well. Dude with the golden curls.

[tonight...you]

I know, I know. Slow day and I want to believe there's something on the table. Plus im high on Zubac.
You always one of my good reads. I guess that's why I expect more from your posts.
Me? I'm total shit.

I'm just here cause I wanna.

[tonight...you]

Lol, I remember it well. Dude with the golden curls.
Terrible show that was just after the A-Team, on their slot so I kept watching, as a kid.

[jermaine]

Dizamn. I hate Dallas. Those high1way lanes are too tiny for a professional drunk driver. You still killer in my book though. I head to Dallas, for some cray reason (like a shoot, but I don't see why, in the near future)- I'll be hitting my man up. I ain't into craziness anymore though... more into chill- live jazz shit nowadays.

That's been my thing, and wifey loves it, so all good in my hood.

Bro. I'm 39yrs old.. I'm with you. I listen to Damion Escobar, Eric Stanley, Daniel Davis, The Mad Violinist, an Peter Lee Johnson... I love these dudes bro... play them on YouTube for your old lady. Act like you found them. Lol

[DPG21920]

Some context on what is happening in free agent as the big fish are all mostly committed - a ton of players left and money shrinking:

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[BatManu20]

Damn KD took a huge paycut..


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[sasaint]

Some context on what is happening in free agent as the big fish are all mostly committed - a ton of players left and money shrinking:

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With money drying up, I am not convinced that, as much as Pop loved him, the Spurs wouldn't revisit GHill.

[tonight...you]

Bro. I'm 39yrs old.. I'm with you. I listen to Damion Escobar, Eric Stanley, Daniel Davis, The Mad Violinist, an Peter Lee Johnson... I love these dudes bro... play them on YouTube for your old lady. Act like you found them. Lol
Already done did, (except for Daniel Davis and Peter Lee, I will look into them) months earlier. She even calls upon our Alexis, on the weekends, while she's cleaning the house for them to play at top noise levels. Nice. Lol. We live on the same wavelength brother.
Nice.

[DPG21920]

Wow - KD taking a major discount:

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[tonight...you]

Bro. I'm 39yrs old.. I'm with you. I listen to Damion Escobar, Eric Stanley, Daniel Davis, The Mad Violinist, an Peter Lee Johnson... I love these dudes bro... play them on YouTube for your old lady. Act like you found them. Lol
And me? I'm older than many think and younger than many believe. Try parsing that out correctly!

[FkLA]

Unless Hanga is coming over just go after wings with length to throw at Curry- Klay-Durbeta. Trust the system and Kawhichael's individual greatness to generate enough points. It's our best shot, tbh.

[FkLA]

Wow - KD taking a major discount:

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What a faggot. Actually, what a faggot team. Discount after discount as if they weren't good enough already.

[tonight...you]

Wow - KD taking a major discount:

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So they got a 2 year thing going on, much like a few here have said. Whatever. I remember Lebron saying "Not 1, not 2, not 3..."

Vee shall zee, bruddah.

[tonight...you]

What a faggot. Actually, what a faggot team. Discount after discount as if they weren't good enough already.
Don't be the Ultimate Hypocrite. Not now...

[tbdog]

So many teams blew their load last season.

[tmtcsc]

Terrible show that was just after the A-Team, on their slot so I kept watching, as a kid.

Lol, wasn't Dukes of Hazard on at the same time? Too funny.

[tonight...you]

So many teams blew their load last season.
And SA has how many ridiculous contracts tied into that "crazy season"?
Looks like they understood the landscape to me.

[tonight...you]

Lol, wasn't Dukes of Hazard on at the same time? Too funny.
Oh yeah. I just heard, by random the Charlie's Angels theme, over the weekend and my girl was dancing like a 70's goofball and I told her that was the Charlie's Angels.

She was like: "The one with Cameron Diaz? It sounds so 70's!"

Lol.

[jermaine]

Shit, I thought I said it well but I think I like your take even better.

I'm serious maaan! This shit is getting wack as fuck!! Fuck being a competitor anymore... These niggas with that can't beat'em, join"em mindset.. fuckin teams an owner's 200 million over the cap tryna get the easiest road to a title. Paying these players millions to be pussy niggas. Dike ass Melo Anthony saying he'll take a buyout to join Cavs or Rockets.. You gonna pay this nigga to leave to coat tail his way to a chance at a ring!?! Couldn't be me... I'd be like NAAAW FUCK NIGGA! Your punkass can void your contract an go join your friends, or you can sit you punkass at the end of that bench an fuck off your next contract endorsements.

[Big Empty]

Wow - KD taking a major discount:

881999126711455744 They have a chance to 3-peat barring injury. Klays contract is up the same time as Kawhi's. Would be nice to steal him since they wont have cap room unless Durant leaves after his two years is up or takes even less then.

[GSH]

Damn KD took a huge paycut..


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Durant just handed Iggy 10 Million bucks.

And WTF is with Indy turning this down?

"The Portland Trail Blazers attempted to trade for Paul George entering the draft, offering the Indiana Pacers the 15th, 20th and 26th picks along with any player on their roster excluding Damian Lillard, C.J. McCollum and Jusuf Nurkic.

“All three of their first-round picks along with Pritchard's choice of any player off the current roster other than their Big-3," said the source."

[DPG21920]

Look, at the end of the day, SA was good last year. Really good. If SA brings back the same team basically but loses Dedmon, Lee & Parker but adds: White, Blossomgame, Murray as the starter plus Hanga/Multinov another wing and big that are more 3/d types?

I would think that is a damn solid but subtle off season.

CJ Miles + Festus or something like that + the same team as last year + Murray now starting?

[DPG21920]

They have a chance to 3-peat barring injury. Klays contract is up the same time as Kawhi's. Would be nice to steal him since they wont have cap room unless Durant leaves after his two years is up or takes even less then.

KD should be taking his 4 year deal next year it seems. 4 years / 160M

[Spurs9]

Wow - KD taking a major discount:

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"The 10-year deal with Nike has the potential to reach $300 million and includes a $50 million retirement package, two people familiar with the terms of the deal told USA TODAY Sports."

:cry hero :cry

[Mr. Body]

"The 10-year deal with Nike has the potential to reach $300 million and includes a $50 million retirement package, two people familiar with the terms of the deal told USA TODAY Sports."

:cry hero :cry

Nike desperate to be relevant again.

[Down Under]

I agree 100% and I'm fine with giving the keys to Murray. However, I view Hill as a combo guard and maybe Danny replacement in certain lineups in place of Mills.

I think the Spurs know they have to not go crazy with PG since Murray is there, but that means they have to make talent strides elsewhere.
Do you view Murray as a Combo guard?

[raybies]

"The 10-year deal with Nike has the potential to reach $300 million and includes a $50 million retirement package, two people familiar with the terms of the deal told USA TODAY Sports."

:cry hero :cry
The servant :cry

[tonight...you]

I'm serious maaan! This shit is getting wack as fuck!! Fuck being a competitor anymore... These niggas with that can't beat'em, join"em mindset.. fuckin teams an owner's 200 million over the cap tryna get the easiest road to a title. Paying these players millions to be pussy niggas. Dike ass Melo Anthony saying he'll take a buyout to join Cavs or Rockets.. You gonna pay this nigga to leave to coat tail his way to a chance at a ring!?! Couldn't be me... I'd be like NAAAW FUCK NIGGA! Your punkass can void your contract an go join your friends, or you can sit you punkass at the end of that bench an fuck off your next contract endorsements.
You're right, but I kind of like the underdog role. The best fits for that are the Spurs, because you can never count them out and Boston, who's always lurking with a great coach and the fact that they always have assets to add talent.

I think the Spurs feel a little bit like Patrick Swayze and Red Dawn right about now and I actually like that feeling.
I have a weird premonition that Murray feels the same "Us against the world" mentality and he's gearing up to work with his mentor Kawhi.

I think he shows Pop something and he gets the start at the beginning of the year, and he will take hold.
Peeps be saying "when Tony comes back the minutes are gone"
Bullshit.
Pop will go conservative on him as much as the talent he has is producing.
If Murray took this team over, he took this team over.

Of course, I write goofball shit for a living and take everything I say with a pound of salt, but...

BUT...

I may just be right. I got myself this far...

[DPG21920]

Do you view Murray as a Combo guard?

I think it's possible, but I do think he should be developed as a PG if possible.

[MannyIsGod]

Look, at the end of the day, SA was good last year. Really good. If SA brings back the same team basically but loses Deadmon, Lee & Parker but adds: White, Blossomgame, Murray as the starter plus Hanga/Multinov another wing and big that are more 3/d types?

I would think that is a damn solid but subtle off season.

CJ Miles + Festus or something like that + the same team as last year + Murray now starting?

Exactly. Maybe the Spurs overplay their hand with the current team as built, but honestly there was no home run free agency scenario to be had this year. With the Warriros staring down the league its hard to fault them for sticking with what got them to a place capable of stealing a few games from the warriors in a series when there's nothing available that obviously puts them over the top. Also, injuries happen. Right now GSW looks unbeatable but shit happens throughout the year so I'd rather they be risk averse.

It makes for a boring offseason but its par for the course for PATFO.

[DPG21920]

Exactly. Maybe the Spurs overplay their hand with the current team as built, but honestly there was no home run free agency scenario to be had this year. With the Warriros staring down the league its hard to fault them for sticking with what got them to a place capable of stealing a few games from the warriors in a series when there's nothing available that obviously puts them over the top. Also, injuries happen. Right now GSW looks unbeatable but shit happens throughout the year so I'd rather they be risk averse.

It makes for a boring offseason but its par for the course for PATFO.

And with watching how this FA market dried up so quickly for free agents and how few teams moving forward have reasonable paths to cap space, 2018 could be a great way to add some pieces that you maybe like better with less competition. That aspect coming into play has shed more light on that type of strategy to me.

But please, for the love of all things good, do not give Pau multiple years unless it's with a really low annual number like (3 years 24M).

[MannyIsGod]

I was on board with trading away LMA for pretty much nothing a week ago but now I've come around to the view that he will be here next year. I'm really hoping for small ball all year long. LMA might not be half bad as a small ball 5. We'll see what Pop can pull off.

[MannyIsGod]

And with watching how this FA market dried up so quickly for free agents and how few teams moving forward have reasonable paths to cap space, 2018 could be a great way to add some pieces that you maybe like better with less competition. That aspect coming into play has shed more light on that type of strategy to me.

But please, for the love of all things good, do not give Pau multiple years unless it's with a really low annual number like (3 years 24M).

At this point I'd rather they just resign him to a one year deal if we have to keep him.

[DPG21920]

At this point I'd rather they just resign him to a one year deal if we have to keep him.

Oh I agree 100% but having depth up front (especailly with LMA maybe being gone) is not a terrible idea especially if it is a solid low deal (8M is like 9th man level money).

[tonight...you]

And with watching how this FA market dried up so quickly for free agents and how few teams moving forward have reasonable paths to cap space, 2018 could be a great way to add some pieces that you maybe like better with less competition. That aspect coming into play has shed more light on that type of strategy to me.

But please, for the love of all things good, do not give Pau multiple years unless it's with a really low annual number like (3 years 24M).
I tell you what: this is an eye-opening experience for FA's from those couple of Halcyon days of ridiculous expansion of the cap.
They are gone and agents will now tell them- Set them sights lower, bud. You ain't getting what you want.

[DPG21920]

I was on board with trading away LMA for pretty much nothing a week ago but now I've come around to the view that he will be here next year. I'm really hoping for small ball all year long. LMA might not be half bad as a small ball 5. We'll see what Pop can pull off.

Imagine:

Murray (if he takes the next step), Danny, CJ Miles, Kawhi & LMA

Or

Murray, Danny, Simmons, Kawhi, LMA

Or

Simmons, Danny, Kawhi, Bertans LMA

Or

You get the point.

[tonight...you]

I tell you what: this is an eye-opening experience for FA's from those couple of Halcyon days of ridiculous expansion of the cap.
They are gone and agents will now tell them- Set them sights lower, bud. You ain't getting what you want.
Agents are learning also, although, if I was their client- I would have asked them how up-to-date are they on current situations. I do with mine and we ain't even near as volatile.

[DPG21920]

I tell you what: this is an eye-opening experience for FA's from those couple of Halcyon days of ridiculous expansion of the cap.
They are gone and agents will now tell them- Set them sights lower, bud. You ain't getting what you want.

Well last year was a gross over reaction from teams during a cap spike and not really being honest with where they were at. There are ramifications now (look at POR for example).

[texbound]

You're right, but I kind of like the underdog role. The best fits for that are the Spurs, because you can never count them out and Boston, who's always lurking with a great coach and the fact that they always have assets to add talent.

I think the Spurs feel a little bit like Patrick Swayze and Red Dawn right about now and I actually like that feeling.
I have a weird premonition that Murray feels the same "Us against the world" mentality and he's gearing up to work with his mentor Kawhi.

I think he shows Pop something and he gets the start at the beginning of the year, and he will take hold.
Peeps be saying "when Tony comes back the minutes are gone"
Bullshit.
Pop will go conservative on him as much as the talent he has is producing.
If Murray took this team over, he took this team over.

Of course, I write goofball shit for a living and take everything I say with a pound of salt, but...

BUT...

I may just be right. I got myself this far...

I like what you're saying, but ultimately the Wolverines lost in the end because they were outmanned.

[MannyIsGod]

I want to believe that the offense this year was an anamoly. I think the Spurs expected Pau to just slide into the Duncan role and that never happened. Kawhi emerged as an unstoppable force so they just rode that since they could never get anything else to properly work. If they can develop a system this year that properly works with Kawhi and can maximize the other players then we could see some marked improvement on that end. Maybe this is wishful thinking, but we should see improvement out of several players like Bertans, Murray, and maybe Simmons if the playoffs weren't fools gold.

[tonight...you]

I like what you're saying, but ultimately the Wolverines lost in the end because they were outmanned.
You dirty so-and-so...
Let me have sweet dreams!

[DPG21920]

Look at the supposed guard rotation now from a defensive potential perspective:

Murray - not a great defender, but obviously has the physical tools and can learn.

Danny - all nba level defender and stud

Hanga - question mark but his game is defensive

Simmons - made tremendous strides on defense.

White - was decent in college defensively - question mark at nba level, but obviously should have some defenseive tools.

We also have Mills/Forbes/Tony who no longer play defense well, but at least they can shoot. However, SA has a lot more defensive guards now than before.

Then at the wing position with Simmons/Danny/Kawhi/Blossomgame and then hopefully a wing like Casspi or CJ Miles, that could look damn good.

Losing Dedmon hurts the defense, but hopefully that can be addressed as well.

[tonight...you]

Well last year was a gross over reaction from teams during a cap spike and not really being honest with where they were at. There are ramifications now (look at POR for example).
Yessir. I honestly believe NBA agents have the hardest jobs, in the biz, right about now.
Things have been fluctuating so much and certain clients will certainly have certain expectations and then failure happens- because the climate changed.
Just look at Georgie...

[texbound]

You dirty so-and-so...
Let me have sweet dreams!

Sorry...now had you said Patrick Swayze in Road House....

[MannyIsGod]

I will say this, I was on board with the draft assuming we were making moves like trading Green. Now, if we retain Green and Simmons (which I hope we do) then that pick looks worse and worse.

[DPG21920]

I want to believe that the offense this year was an anamoly. I think the Spurs expected Pau to just slide into the Duncan role and that never happened. Kawhi emerged as an unstoppable force so they just rode that since they could never get anything else to properly work. If they can develop a system this year that properly works with Kawhi and can maximize the other players then we could see some marked improvement on that end. Maybe this is wishful thinking, but we should see improvement out of several players like Bertans, Murray, and maybe Simmons if the playoffs weren't fools gold.

Pau did great. His 3PT shooting was a major plus. The issue was LMA was not shooting well (which kills a lot of things) we had no guard that could penetrate (mills and TP were the only ones getting minutes and neither could do it).

Hopefully Murray solves that issue with the penetration. Hopefully LMA with a good off season in a contract year solves the other.

Get another wing shooter to pair with Danny, Simmons, Mills and SA could be in good shape. Hopefully Pop adjust the offense for LMA as well and gets him more in the Tiago mold (screen, then dive) with the ability to pull up unlike Tiago and that helps too.