Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[ace3g]

Cole Zwicker @colezwicker
(https://twitter.com/colezwicker) 40m (https://twitter.com/colezwicker/status/883119984682999808)
Simmons could sign via EQR a 4 year, $35,138,880 contract. Only restriction is Spurs have to fit everyone under $125,226,000 hardcap

[Mnky]

Only problem, Gay works good w the ball not without

He shot 37% from 3 last year. He can play off ball if needed. I doubt thats that's why he came thoigh, spurs needed a player who could have the ball in their hands outside of kawhi. When kawhi disappeared , so did the spurs offense. Pop talked to him one on one before he came, so I'm sure they're on the same page as well.

[cutewizard]

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2017/7/6/15931122/spurs-officially-sign-derrick-white-to-rookie-contract

[SAGirl]

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:wow

Him at Dyckman with Kyle 3 or 4 days ago... :wow. Real possibility he wasn't just there to play and socialize with Kyle's crew and family but fir business reasons and then just happened to visit and hang out with his friend... :tu

[cutewizard]

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2017/7/6/15921056/san-antonio-spurs-nba-best-deep-rotation

[CGD]

Where do we stand?

- J. Simms RFA signing
- Mills full-bird rights exception
- Pau "non-bird" exception (like KD)
- Gay full MLE
- LLE ??
- Hanga vet min?
- Milutinov rookie deal? (Kinda need him now)

(Still not clear how we are operating over the cap now, though; I thought we were a cap space team this Summer??)

[NASpurs]

The Spurs still need a playmaking wing, and please don't force Manu into that role anymore (if he comes back), or at least take some pressure off Manu. They also need a center after Gasol.

[MannyIsGod]

Barring no trades, I don't see how the Spurs keep Simmons without extending Pau's deal farther out than one year and avoid the tax.

[tholdren]

Barring no trades, I don't see how the Spurs keep Simmons without extending Pau's deal farther out than one year and avoid the tax.

If its simmons or pau. Bye pau

[NASpurs]

If its simmons or pau. Bye pau

Spurs are so thin at the front line position unless you think they'll play

Murray
Green
Kawhi
Gay
Aldridge

[TimDunkem]

Gtfo, Pau.

[cutewizard]

we need pau to recruit for Marc Gasol next year........................

[HarlemHeat37]

Spurs are so thin at the front line position unless you think they'll play

Murray
Green
Kawhi
Gay
Aldridge

I think Pau will return(sadly), but I would be fine with Gay/Kyle/Bertans at 4 and Aldridge/backup C at the 5..

[MannyIsGod]

If its simmons or pau. Bye pau

They had an obvious handshake agreement with Pau. Opt out and we'll pay you the same one way or another. They aren't going back on that. I was hopeful another team would sign him, but that's really unlikely given the lack of money out there right now.

[NASpurs]

I think Pau will return(sadly), but I would be fine with Gay/Kyle/Bertans at 4 and Aldridge/backup C at the 5..

Is Milutinov still coming over?

[TheDoctor]

Gtfo, Pau.

:lol

[TheDoctor]

Out with the Simmons In with the Hanga.

[Chinook]

Out with the Simmons in with the Hanga.

Murray, Mills, Parker
Green, White, Forbes
Leonard, Anderson, Hanga
Gay, Bertans
Aldridge, Gasol, Milutinov

16: Blossomgame

Just need a "legit PF" for the last spot and then a developmental center for the second two-way slot, and we're golden.

[SpurPadre]

Out with the Simmons In with the Hanga.

Don't want a 30 year old rookie, tbh.

[cutewizard]

Is Chris Bosh available? hahahahahaha

[LakerHater]

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[Chinook]

Ersan for the LLE makes sense if they don't bring back Simmons but go bring over Hanga and Milutinov. Would get them someone who can start at PF and space the floor while also being a legit big. Plus, it would fulfill a lifelong quest for me to see Ilyasova in a Spurs uniform.

[ducks]

Knicks thinking of giving Simmons more then 16.7 a year
http://thesportsdaily.com/project-spurs/knicks-preparing-massive-offer-for-simmons/amp/

[mo7888]

Ersan for the LLE makes sense if they don't bring back Simmons but go bring over Hanga and Milutinov. Would get them someone who can start at PF and space the floor while also being a legit big. Plus, it would fulfill a lifelong quest for me to see Ilyasova in a Spurs uniform.

I like that better than tying up long term money on Simmons

[CGD]

Knicks thinking of giving Simmons more then 16.7 a year
http://thesportsdaily.com/project-spurs/knicks-preparing-massive-offer-for-simmons/amp/

Wonder if there is a sign and trade opportunity there with the Knicks

[marinoman]

883127554672136194
Can't wait to wear all my gay apparel! Plus I may even get a Rudy Gay jersey

[spurs10]

Knicks thinking of giving Simmons more then 16.7 a year
http://thesportsdaily.com/project-spurs/knicks-preparing-massive-offer-for-simmons/amp/ They will need to pay it because we won't match it!

[Ron Swanson]

Knicks thinking of giving Simmons more then 16.7 a year
http://thesportsdaily.com/project-spurs/knicks-preparing-massive-offer-for-simmons/amp/

Good for Simmons, but no way we match that.

[tholdren]

They had an obvious handshake agreement with Pau. Opt out and we'll pay you the same one way or another. They aren't going back on that. I was hopeful another team would sign him, but that's really unlikely given the lack of money out there right now.

Hope he retires

[tholdren]

Spurs are so thin at the front line position unless you think they'll play

Murray
Green
Kawhi
Gay
Aldridge

You dont need 1 big let alone 2 in todays nba. Lineup looks good tbh

[rastaspur]

16 mil a year? No way that will be matched, which is fine by me. Just let him walk.

[MannyIsGod]

Wow, the Knicks are fucking insane if they pay that much for Simmons

[ace3g]

Twitterverse (grain of salt) saying Hanga is already in San Antonio.

[Chinook]

S&Ting Simmons for Kyle O'Quinn would be the bee's knees, though.

[SAGirl]

Jabari was just interviewed at SL and dodged the question about why Murray was not playing. He did say that Murray appears to be ahead of White even after the poor 2 games.

Said he's heard nothing from LMA and fully expects LMA to be a Spur this year. Said Dedmon likely gone, but SA wants Simmons back and they will likely just run the same team back plus maybe a couple vets.

Yeesh.
One question since I didn't watch the game tonight or that interview... If he's going to be involved in a trade doesn't it make sense his minutes were controlled/managed to minimize risk and that if it's imminent he be pulled from SL?

[marinoman]

Man Spurs get gay and now people here are saying this is a great offseason. Still no playmakers

[Ron Swanson]

S&Ting Simmons for Kyle O'Quinn would be the bee's knees, though.

O'Quinn would be a nice addition.

[Chinook]

Man Spurs get gay and now people here are saying this is a great offseason. Still no playmakers

They decided to go young and reup Patty. It wouldn't make a ton of sense to sign another guard. The system and leveraging Kawhi, Gay, LMA and Pau's scoring abilities will have to do.

[rastaspur]

http://hoopshype.com/rumor/1125134/

So it looks like blossom game was signed to a two way contract today.

[bklynspursfan]

Gay taking Tiago's #? Lol

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Looked up some Adam hanga highlights on YouTube. Poor mans Batum imho

[CGD]

S&Ting Simmons for Kyle O'Quinn would be the bee's knees, though.

That's what I'm thinking. Maybe Knicks get coaxed into tossing in a 2nd too

[cd98]

Knicks will be trying to trade Simmon's contract next summer.

[NASpurs]

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[Mugen]

Bradley and Crowder for Rudy Gay, who says no tbh?

[Chinook]

Bradley and Crowder for Rudy Gay, who says no tbh?

Silver. But Ainge would be wondering how it got to that point.

[NASpurs]

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[ducks]

One less place for simmons

[Chinook]

Shit, well he was never going to be in SA then.

[HarlemHeat37]

15/year for Johnson is a great deal, tbh..seems like he wanted to stay there..

[Mugen]

:lol The contracts that Riley has given out since LeBron left his ass....

[DPG21920]

It triggers the hard cap, but they can totally avoid that but not using the LLE or paying Pau less than $13 Million -- assuming Simmons returns on a max deal (for him).

But Manu & Hanga & Muli I thought were rumored to come back. Seems like SA needs another big after losing Lee/Dedmon as well (maybe that's Muli).

The hard cap is just for this year, right? I"m 99% sure I knew about the hard cap with S&T's and NTMLE but brain is fried.

[tbdog]

Man if we can get Bradley by shipping out Green perhaps s&t simmons. Obviously need to get a third team involved as Celtics don't want salary.

[DPG21920]

One question since I didn't watch the game tonight or that interview... If he's going to be involved in a trade doesn't it make sense his minutes were controlled/managed to minimize risk and that if it's imminent he be pulled from SL?

So, Jabari responded to me a while ago. Basically, no trade of Murray or anything implied. It was really simply a matter of SL being a 2 weeks long and not wanting to wear out a crucial piece 3 days into it. Many games left. So no known injuries or trades - just minutes management for what is a long Summer League.

[DPG21920]

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For all the people who whined that they didn't hear anything and thinking SA was sitting around doing nothing.... Y'all should know by now stuff seldom leaks here during the off season

The funny thing is this leaked and had to be walked back days ago :lol

[Ron Swanson]

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[Chinook]

But Manu & Hanga & Muli I thought were rumored to come back. Seems like SA needs another big after losing Lee/Dedmon as well (maybe that's Muli).

The hard cap is just for this year, right? I"m 99% sure I knew about the hard cap with S&T's and NTMLE but brain is fried.

The cap is just for this year.

Manu really doesn't make sense anymore if Simmons comes back. Even if Simmons leaves, Manu and Hanga joining would leave only Pau, LMA and presumably Milutinov as players who can play the five at all. I guess they could cut Forbes and put Manu there, but that would be a shame for Bryn if he continues to have a good summer league.

[Chinook]

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Fuck. Atlanta ain't touching that.

[DPG21920]

Ersan for the LLE makes sense if they don't bring back Simmons but go bring over Hanga and Milutinov. Would get them someone who can start at PF and space the floor while also being a legit big. Plus, it would fulfill a lifelong quest for me to see Ilyasova in a Spurs uniform.

I said that yesterday - Ersan makes a lot of sense. But honestly thought he would command more than LLE

[mo7888]

883161190817341440

Another suitor for Simmons is gone..

[NASpurs]

883161190817341440

crofl

[HarlemHeat37]

No way Bud can fuck with that fter that terrible Base more deal IMO..

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Knicks giving Hardaway Jr. a 4-year, $71 million offer sheet. :wow

One less suitor for Simmons it looks like, and NY's money is tied up for a couple of days now.

[tholdren]

883161190817341440

Fail

[NASpurs]

Fuck. Atlanta ain't touching that.

They're rebuilding aka tanking right? Yeah they're not touching that for sure.

[tbdog]

Didn't Knick trade him to Hawks not long ago?

[Mr. Body]

883161190817341440

:lol Good Christ. Did they think he's Tim Hardaway, Sr.?

[FkLA]

Cant even hate on Juice if he bolts for an offer like that. 4 daughters and probably a bunch more on the way, tbh.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Ilyasova has always been on my list this summer, and likely at a gettable price for SA. If we could re-sign Simmons, add Gay and Ilyasova, that'd be a nice off-season all things considered (though we still need one more big down low, or to re-sign Dedmon).

[NASpurs]

misread the tweet :lol

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[mo7888]

So who's left for Simmons? I'm looking at you Phoenix...

[DPG21920]

My goodness :lmao NY

If I'm SA I definitely lower my offer of 9M to Simmons now. His market is gone. 3 years, 21M is the offer

[FkLA]

Ilyasova is like 3 years older than his listed age and has a fake identity FWIW. Good role player though.

[Ron Swanson]

:lol Good Christ. Did they think he's Tim Hardaway, Sr.?

:lmao

[Chinook]

I said that yesterday - Ersan makes a lot of sense. But honestly thought he would command more than LLE

And he may. He doesn't seem to value a ring over money. But not the money is drying up, and he'd have a role on the team, possibly as a starter, as he'd be a great fit with LMA if Gay is on the bench.

[tholdren]

:lol Good Christ. Did they think he's Tim Hardaway, Sr.?

Lol fire phil, agree to potential trade for melo, then this. Worse than sacramento

[NASpurs]

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[tbdog]

Ilyasova has always been on my list this summer, and likely at a gettable price for SA. If we could re-sign Simmons, add Gay and Ilyasova, that'd be a nice off-season all things considered (though we still need one more big down low, or to re-sign Dedmon).

I am sure we are set at PF with Gay, Anderson, and Bertans. Yes, 3 SF 's are now PF's. That is the league these days.

[Ron Swanson]

Ilyasova has always been on my list this summer, and likely at a gettable price for SA. If we could re-sign Simmons, add Gay and Ilyasova, that'd be a nice off-season all things considered (though we still need one more big down low, or to re-sign Dedmon).

Just think of all of those games with Bill Land calling him "Ilyasofa".

[Mugen]

WTF - Hardaway Jr got 71mil?

[SAGirl]

Not that excited about Gay bc of that Achilles injury... but better than nothing. He might recover enough.

Considering how long they waited to reach an agreement with any FA and that I already wasn't expecting any significant player additions, I am glad. It might signal Pop indeed moving on to play a different style....

[Ron Swanson]

883162294250766337

That should get this thread another 50 pages.

[Dverde]

Yeah, knicks doing knicks things. I can't see the Hawks matching with Bazemore still on their books.

[Dverde]

Spurs need to lock up David Lee, Dedmon, Tiago, or Thomas Robinson. Then wait out Simmons. Pay Pau the leftovers.

[loveforthegame]

Cripes. I like THJ but at that price? Only the Knicks.

[Nathan89]

It's almost like the Knicks try to make terrible decisions. It's unbelievable the the things they do.

[ducks]

Is Phil still in New York ?

[8FOR!3]

You know how good the Spurs are gonna be in 2K bc of Rudy Gay lol.

[DPG21920]

And he may. He doesn't seem to value a ring over money. But not the money is drying up, and he'd have a role on the team, possibly as a starter, as he'd be a great fit with LMA if Gay is on the bench.

I think that is the issue for me. I can't imagine Gay turning down SAC money for less and being sold on coming to SA to come off bench in what is probably his last chance at a possibly big FA deal in 18.

Ersan would be off the bench and would he accept LLE money for that role?

[apalisoc_9]

Ilyasova is like 3 years older than his listed age and has a fake identity FWIW. Good role player though.

He's not African. What you talking about bro :lol

[Dverde]

Did the Knicks hire the fired Magics GM?

[peacemaker885]

Simmons is under the Gilbert Arenas rule where teams can only offer him 8+M. Spurs offer of 9M would be more than what other teams can offer, if im not mistaken.

[SAGirl]

You have to wonder with Pau coming off the bench, Coaching Stuff must be really sold at playing small at the 4. Gay, Blossom, Bertans, Anderson

They're not playing with Two bigs next year. That's for sure.
I am glad that experiment is over. Pops end of season comments were revealing.

[Ron Swanson]

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[Chinook]

I think that is the issue for me. I can't imagine Gay turning down SAC money for less and being sold on coming to SA to come off bench in what is probably his last chance at a possibly big FA deal in 18.

Ersan would be off the bench and would he accept LLE money for that role?

I think this was Gay's Iggy pivot. I don't know if I expect him off the bench, but I think he understands it may be what happens. Ersan makes more sense starting and Gay as sixth man.

[Chinook]

Simmons is under the Gilbert Arenas rule where teams can only offer him 8+M. Spurs offer of 9M would be more than what other teams can offer, if im not mistaken.

Spurs can only offer the MLE as well. It's just a full MLE deal is worth $9 Million APY

[FkLA]

He's not African. What you talking about bro :lol

gym_OtMA9js

[CGD]

Spurs can only offer the MLE as well. It's just a full MLE deal is worth $9 Million APY

Yeah, but in year 3 they can add a nasty balloon payment type thing, no? So like 9+9+22 for a 40 deal.

[HarlemHeat37]

883163984836255745

:lol

[Chinook]

Yeah, but in year 3 they can add a nasty balloon payment type thing, no? So like 9+9+22 for a 40 deal.

Another team can offer that; they Spurs cannot. They'd only be able to match such an offer.

[CGD]

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Que???

[MaNu4Tres]

Knicks are on crystal meth.

I'd hate to be a Knicks fan. My lord.

[SAGirl]

So, Jabari responded to me a while ago. Basically, no trade of Murray or anything implied. It was really simply a matter of SL being a 2 weeks long and not wanting to wear out a crucial piece 3 days into it. Many games left. So no known injuries or trades - just minutes management for what is a long Summer League.

Thanks for replying. That seemed very very odd unless there's something we don't know about his health. He seemedcvery eager to play in interviews... and he does need the practice.

[Clipper Nation]

883163984836255745

:lmao Dolan is probably begging Phil to come back. Not even Phil was this stupid. Are we sure the Knicks didn't bring back Isiah?

[vy65]

gym_OtMA9js

I hear there's a shit ton of refugee traffic on that Uzbek-Turkish border ....

[bklynspursfan]

The funny thing is this leaked and had to be walked back days ago :lol

Yea. We just thought (can't remember which Spurs reporter leaked it, Young?) Was making it up , especially after Gay was meeting other teams lol.

But if they were working hard for 3+ days without a peep? CIA PATFO for real. Great job of keeping it under wraps

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I am sure we are set at PF with Gay, Anderson, and Bertans. Yes, 3 SF 's are now PF's. That is the league these days.

You're thinking too binary with positions. We need more length and speed at the 2/3/4.

They could trot out:

Murray 6'5"
Green 6'6"
Kawhi 6'7"
Two of Gay 6'8" , Ilyasova 6'10", Aldridge 6'11"

And have behind them:

White 6'5"
Manu 6'6"
Simmons 6'6"
Bertans 6'10"
Lee 6'9"
Dedmon 7'0"
Anderson 6'9"
Gasol 7'0"

[bklynspursfan]

I think that is the issue for me. I can't imagine Gay turning down SAC money for less and being sold on coming to SA to come off bench in what is probably his last chance at a possibly big FA deal in 18.

Ersan would be off the bench and would he accept LLE money for that role?

Maybe he sold him on taking th Manu role, possible 6moy? Who knows.. he might be ready to prove himself anyway

[coachmac87]

You're thinking too binary with positions. We need more length and speed at the 2/3/4.

They could trot out:

Murray 6'5"
Green 6'6"
Kawhi 6'7"
Two of Gay 6'8" , Ilyasova 6'10", Aldridge 6'11"

And have behind them:

White 6'5"
Manu 6'6"
Simmons 6'6"
Bertans 6'10"
Lee 6'9"
Dedmon 7'0"
Anderson 6'9"
Gasol 7'0"

Damn good roster...just pretty much impossible

[Ron Swanson]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEGk84mXcAQL8K3.jpg:large

[SAGirl]

Funny this gets announced an hour after Jabari says that the Spurs aren't going to do anything this offseason. I think Jabari should consider that someone is screwing with him. Now they'll probably sign Simmons and trade Green. :lol
Fans were saying Jabari needed to be pinked with all his misinformation. :lol

[DPG21920]

Maybe he sold him on taking th Manu role, possible 6moy? Who knows.. he might be ready to prove himself anyway

I just think both basketball wise & logic wise he makes more sense as a starting 4. Especially when Pop already coaxed Pau into that bench role, would not want Pau starting. Dedmon gone. Lee gone. That really leaves Kyle or Bertans and I don't think Gay should be on the bench for them.

Mills or Murray/ Danny / Kawhi / Gay / LMA

Mills or Murray / Simmons or Hanga or White / Bertans / Kyle / Pau

So SA has for sure:

Guards: Green, Murray, Mills, TP, White, Forbes

Forwards: Kawhi, Gay, Kyle, Bertans, Blossomgame

C: LMA

[bklynspursfan]

I just think both basketball wise & logic wise he makes more sense as a starting 4. Especially when Pop already coaxed Pau into that bench role, would not want Pau starting. Dedmon gone. Lee gone. That really leaves Kyle or Bertans and I don't think Gay should be on the bench for them.

Mills or Murray/ Danny / Kawhi / Gay / LMA

Mills or Murray / Simmons or Hanga or White / Bertans / Kyle / Pau

So SA has for sure:

Guards: Green, Murray, Mills, TP, White, Forbes

Forwards: Kawhi, Gay, Kyle, Bertans, Blossomgame

C: LMA

That makes sense.. i could see Bertans just because his shooting ability, and if Murray starts , they need the spacing.

But yea, it fits for him to start too probably. We shall see

[DPG21920]

That makes sense.. i could see Bertans just because his shooting ability, and if Murray starts , they need the spacing.

But yea, it fits for him to start too probably. We shall see

I would be totally fine with Bertans starting, especially with Mills too. Im just concerned Gay would not be ok with it :lol

[bklynspursfan]

I would be totally fine with Bertans starting, especially with Mills too. Im just concerned Gay would not be ok with it :lol

Same. I hope he shows improvements defensively this season.

[DPG21920]

That's the concern for me is defensively.

TP was poor, but Murray is really bad on defense. Pau wasn't great, but he protected the rim and then when SA had Dedmon in over Pau, defense was stout. Now you replace TP with maybe one of the few people maybe worse than him and Dedmon with Gay/Bertans?

Lot's of pressure on Danny/Kawhi/LMA for defense.

[Leetonidas]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEGk84mXcAQL8K3.jpg:large

:lol Nice

[SAGirl]

Out with the Simmons In with the Hanga.
The Gay signing did give me the impression he took what was meant to be Simmons deal. .. I don't understand squat about the cap so I can be very wrong but it was the first thing that came to mind. Glad for J.Simms if he's getting paid elsewhere. I don't think I like Gay coming back from a torn Achilles over Simms but waiting to see what happens basically. Simmons still shopping himself around and Spurs got a guy they wanted for a similar offer than they had made on Simmons and this guy could have been gone by the time the dust settles on Simmons.

[cjw]

The Gay signing did give me the impression he took what was meant to be Simmons deal. .. I don't understand squat about the cap so I can be very wrong but it was the first thing that came to mind. Glad for J.Simms if he's getting paid elsewhere. I don't think I like Gay coming back from a torn Achilles over Simms but waiting to see what happens basically. Simmons still shopping himself around and Spurs got a guy they wanted for a similar offer than they had made on Simmons and this guy could have been gone by the time the dust settles on Simmons.

The fact that Gay signed for the MLE doesn't impact the Spurs' ability to sign Simmons to the MLE. Only if they're hard capped.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The Gay signing did give me the impression he took what was meant to be Simmons deal. .. I don't understand squat about the cap so I can be very wrong but it was the first thing that came to mind. Glad for J.Simms if he's getting paid elsewhere. I don't think I like Gay coming back from a torn Achilles over Simms but waiting to see what happens basically. Simmons still shopping himself around and Spurs got a guy they wanted for a similar offer than they had made on Simmons and this guy could have been gone by the time the dust settles on Simmons.

They don't play the same position, not sure why you would think that. It's far more likely Gay takes the place of Dedmon, maybe even him + Lee, and they still re-sign Simmons.

[tdunk21]

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[SAGirl]

They don't play the same position, not sure why you would think that. It's far more likely Gay takes the place of Dedmon, maybe even him + Lee, and they still re-sign Simmons.
We shall see. They may play different positions but might have had a similar role as bench scorer? I doubt Gay is going to be just a floor spacer. I mean I'll wait to see what happens but it was the first thing to come to mind.

[ducks]

Adrian Wojnarowski Retweeted

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Tim Hardaway Jr. was traded for Jerian Grant who was traded for Derrick Rose who was renounced so NYK could sign Hardaway Jr. for $71M.

[DPG21920]

Does SA even want Hanga now? Does Pau get more than one-year? Is 2018 cap space really viable with Mills now on the books, likely Simmons, likely Pau, Rudy Gay?

Assuming Pau is back, that leaves only LMA/Pau as legit bigs. Does Lee come back? Muli come over?

What about Manu? Already a ton of guards and if you add in Hanga does that leave room for Manu or do they cut Forbes for Manu?

Still lots of questions.

[Big Empty]

:lol Bath house of Rudy Gay, lol that was genius. What happened to that thread it would be fun if he doesnt live up to all the hype. I think and hoping he does!

[Nathan89]

Simmons is a better piece now if we play small with Gay at the 4. He can take advantage of more spacing with his athleticism. Gay's passing allows him to cut off ball.

I hope Gay recovers well from his injury. Even little moves like this get me excited about the season. Especially because we may be playing much differently next year.

[Atl Spur]

Simmons is a better piece now if we play small with Gay at the 4. He can take advantage of more spacing with his athleticism. Gay's passing allows him to cut off ball.

I hope Gay recovers well from his injury. Even little moves like this get me excited about the season. Especially because we may be playing much differently next year.

It should😉 Pic and roll with him and Kawhi.......nasty

[MannyIsGod]

The Gay signing did give me the impression he took what was meant to be Simmons deal. .. I don't understand squat about the cap so I can be very wrong but it was the first thing that came to mind. Glad for J.Simms if he's getting paid elsewhere. I don't think I like Gay coming back from a torn Achilles over Simms but waiting to see what happens basically. Simmons still shopping himself around and Spurs got a guy they wanted for a similar offer than they had made on Simmons and this guy could have been gone by the time the dust settles on Simmons.

I'd take Gay with one leg as a higher chance of success than Simmons. Simmons is completely unproven. Gay is proven, and while he might have a dropoff, its still a higher chance of success. Especially given the price.

[MaNu4Tres]

We shall see. They may play different positions but might have had a similar role as bench scorer? I doubt Gay is going to be just a floor spacer. I mean I'll wait to see what happens but it was the first thing to come to mind.

There is no way Rudy Gay signed for less w/ SA to play a limited bench role, especially behind Kawhi -- where minutes are limited as is. This is probably the most important contract year in his career at age 30.

He'll likely start at the 4 and I'm sure that came up in negotiations.

DJ/Mills - Green - Kawhi - Gay - LMA
DJ/Mills - Hanga or Manu - Simmons - Bertans or Kyle - Pau
TP - Forbes - Lee - White

Blossomgame + another two way contract.

Kyle or Bertans will likely be the odd man out.

[ducks]

Pop does not promise u start ask sj

[SpurPadre]

Does Gay signing basically mean either Manu retires or Simmons is gone?

[spurs1990]

Using numbers from basketballreference, 2018 FA is looking good for SA.

Spurs salaries on the books for 2018-2019:

Aldridge - 22m (player option)
Leonard - 20m
Mills - 12.5m
Gasol - TBD 8-15m
Green - 10m (player option)
Gay - 8.5m (player option)
White - 1.5m

At most that'll be 89.5m.
If the players opt out and Gasol is on the lower end then it's only 42m.

Meaning Spurs may have 60 million in cap space for summer 2018.

[SPURt]

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Tim Hardaway Jr. was traded for Jerian Grant who was traded for Derrick Rose who was renounced so NYK could sign Hardaway Jr. for $71M.
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[MaNu4Tres]

Does Gay signing basically mean either Manu retires or Simmons is gone?

Not close. Both can be back.

[SpurPadre]

Not close. Both can be back.

At the expense of LDN being traded?

[MaNu4Tres]

At the expense of LDN being traded?

No.

[SAGirl]

There is no way Rudy Gay signed for less w/ SA to play a limited bench role, especially behind Kawhi -- where minutes are limited as is. This is probably the most important contract year in his career at age 30.

He'll likely start at the 4 and I'm sure that came up in negotiations.

DJ/Mills - Green - Kawhi - Gay - LMA
DJ/Mills - Hanga or Manu - Simmons - Bertans or Kyle - Pau
TP - Forbes - Lee - White

Blossomgame + another two way contract.

Kyle or Bertans will likely be the odd man out.
You have a good point... It still popped into my mind JSimms isn't going to be back. Maybe based on wrong assumptions.

[Ron Swanson]

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:lol

[TheDoctor]

Does SA even want Hanga now? Does Pau get more than one-year? Is 2018 cap space really viable with Mills now on the books, likely Simmons, likely Pau, Rudy Gay?

Assuming Pau is back, that leaves only LMA/Pau as legit bigs. Does Lee come back? Muli come over?

What about Manu? Already a ton of guards and if you add in Hanga does that leave room for Manu or do they cut Forbes for Manu?

Still lots of questions.

If Simmons get/signs an offer of 15M+/yr you betcha Spurs won't match. In that scenario yeah, SA should want/get Hanga.

[SAGirl]

Murray, Mills, Parker
Green, White, Forbes
Leonard, Anderson, Hanga
Gay, Bertans
Aldridge, Gasol, Milutinov

16: Blossomgame

Just need a "legit PF" for the last spot and then a developmental center for the second two-way slot, and we're golden.
I mean looking at this... where do you see Manu and Simmons? This roster is crowded already in guards

[rastaspur]

Simmons is a better piece now if we play small with Gay at the 4. He can take advantage of more spacing with his athleticism. Gay's passing allows him to cut off ball.

I hope Gay recovers well from his injury. Even little moves like this get me excited about the season. Especially because we may be playing much differently next year.

Gay's passing. :lol

Has more career turnovers than assists and has generally been considered a black hole on every team he has been on.

[HarlemHeat37]

Gay's passing. :lol

Has more career turnovers than assists and has generally been considered a black hole on every team he has been on.

:lol

[DPG21920]

Gay's passing. :lol

Has more career turnovers than assists and has generally been considered a black hole on every team he has been on.

Why can't he just be a hole? So much racism on this site.

[spurs1990]

So 17 roster spots allowable starting for this upcoming season?

[SAGirl]

Gay's passing. :lol

Has more career turnovers than assists and has generally been considered a black hole on every team he has been on.
Yeah.. I am not excited about him if I am honest. Then on top of that he is coming back from an Achilles tear.

Pair him with other black holes in the SL (not Kawhi but others) and it doesn't make for a likeable team. Who knows how it comes along.

[DPG21920]

So 17 roster spots allowable starting for this upcoming season?

Yup. 2 2-way contracts (meaning can play in G-League & SA), 15 normal spots & 13 active each game.

[HarlemHeat37]

Yeah.. I am not excited about him if I am honest. Then on top of that he is coming back from an Achilles tear.

Pair him with other black holes in the SL (not Kawhi but others) and it doesn't make for a likeable team. Who knows how it comes along.

Do you want to see Simmons return?

[TheDoctor]

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Found DRapist cut:

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[NASpurs]

Why can't he just be a hole? So much racism on this site.

I agree, they like to be called African American holes now.

[SAGirl]

Does SA even want Hanga now? Does Pau get more than one-year? Is 2018 cap space really viable with Mills now on the books, likely Simmons, likely Pau, Rudy Gay?

Assuming Pau is back, that leaves only LMA/Pau as legit bigs. Does Lee come back? Muli come over?

What about Manu? Already a ton of guards and if you add in Hanga does that leave room for Manu or do they cut Forbes for Manu?

Still lots of questions.
There was that tweet that Hanga was only joining if Manu retired and ppl made fun of me for believing his agent wasn't joking. Its possible he only joins if either Manu retires or Simmons signs elsewhere bc there weren't going to be enough spots around. It's already crowded.

[rastaspur]

Why can't he just be a hole? So much racism on this site.

:lol

It's getting a little sensitive in here race wise.

Palangi stirring the pot and getting reactions.

[cjw]

Yup. 2 2-way contracts (meaning can play in G-League & SA), 15 normal spots & 13 active each game.

Thanks, exactly. Not sure what the implications are on the luxury tax, but players can be called up for 45 days per season and get prorated NBA minimum contracts for those days.

[SAGirl]

Do you want to see Simmons return?
Yes at the deal he was offered I liked him.

Originally I wanted the Spurs to make a FA splash... once they decided to bring the same basic crew back I wanted him back. I much prefer to pay him than Mills personally.

The thing is he's still shopping himself and Gay became available meantime... Gay could have become a player that was gone like so many others so far, while the Spurs waited on the Simmons thing to be settled. But now that he's here, I don't see the JSimms signing as that essential.. maybe Spurs taking that leverage from JSimms forcing their hand into an extravagant deal. No to extravagant deals IMO. Simmons ballon payment on any Arenas matches offer was going to coincide with Kawhis supermax, unless he accepts Spurs offer he's gone IMO.

[DPG21920]

There was that tweet that Hanga was only joining if Manu retired and ppl made fun of me for believing his agent wasn't joking. Its possible he only joins if either Manu retires or Simmons signs elsewhere bc there weren't going to be enough spots around. It's already crowded.

I remember that - good call. I think that may very well be the case. My guess is that Hanga is waiting to hear about Manu so he can make his decision too.

[SpurPadre]

I remember that - good call. I think that may very well be the case. My guess is that Hanga is waiting to hear about Manu so he can make his decision too.

Old fucking rookie. Well, Hanga isn't that much younger than Manu so I can see why has a sense of urgency. :lol

[MaNu4Tres]

I mean looking at this... where do you see Manu and Simmons? This roster is crowded already in guards

It's pretty easy to see tbh..

White isn't ready. He'll be in Austin. (Spurs should have drafted Bell)

Forbes is not a two guard either. Him and Mills off bench at 1 and 2 would be a nightmare defensively. I thought Forbes has looked really solid as a point guard in SL games so far btw.

I'd put Forbes as the 4th PG over 2nd SG.

DJ/ Mills/ TP/ Forbes/ White
Green/ Simmons/ Manu or Hanga/ White
Kawhi/ Simmons/ Anderson
Gay/ Bertans/ Anderson
LMA / Pau/ Lee or Splitter ( whichever they sign)

Blossomgame two way contract
One other.


** If Manu is back, he's the SG off the bench and Simmons moves to SF.
If Manu retires, then Simmons is the SG off the bench, and Hanga competes w/ Kyle for minutes at the back up SF.

[Down Under]

I hope Simmons walks now tbh. How many ball dominant ISO guys can you have, especially one who's only had 1 good playoff run.

[SpurPadre]

I have a feeling PATFO could have something else up cooked up in the wake of this signing.

[SAGirl]

It's pretty easy to see tbh..

White isn't ready. He'll be in Austin. (Spurs should have drafted Bell)

Forbes is not a two guard either. Him and Mills off bench at 1 and 2 would be a nightmare defensively. I thought Forbes has looked really solid as a point guard in SL games so far btw.

I'd put Forbes as the 4th PG over 2nd SG.

DJ/ Mills/ TP/ Forbes/ White
Green/ Simmons/ Manu or Hanga/ White
Kawhi/ Simmons/ Anderson
Gay/ Bertans/ Anderson
LMA / Pau/ Lee or Splitter ( whichever they sign)

Blossomgame two way contract
One other.


** If Manu is back, he's the SG off the bench and Simmons moves to SF.
If Manu retires, then Simmons is the SG off the bench, and Hanga competes w/ Kyle for minutes at the back up SF.
Dislike that very much but not going to argue. We shall see what happens.

[MaNu4Tres]

Dislike that very much but not going to argue. We shall see what happens.

What would you rather see from this day forward? (Not arguing) lol.

[cjw]

I hope Simmons walks now tbh. How many ball dominant ISO guys can you have, especially one who's only had 1 good playoff run.

More and more, I don't think the crazy offer sheet is out there for Simmons. Money is drying up, and unlike other RFAs he's a bit older and may have the "taint" of the Spurs system attached to him (benefiting from their system), rightly or wrongly. We saw how Neal, Boban and to a lesser extent Baynes panned out.

Simmons had a really bad regular season and it may be tough for GMs to risk things on a nice playoff run when the regular season points to a player that fell out of the rotation at times and shot poorly.

I'd love for this to be the case and for Simmons to lock up a deal for $7 million or less AAV for the next three years with a PO after two. Alternative would be a prove it one year deal (QO) and $1 million and change guaranteed. He's going to value the long term security.

[SAGirl]

What would you rather see? (Not arguing) lol.
I probably don't like LMA and Gay together. Not much that can be argued about that bc well just have to see what Pop does with them. Also why so many fricking PGs that have no chance in hell to play? That one has been discussed way too much. And I still tend to think JSimms won't be back but since that's just a gut feeling not much I can argue about that.

[YGWHI]

I doubt thats that's why he came thoigh, spurs needed a player who could have the ball in their hands outside of kawhi.

Agree. But that player had to be a playmaker with some kind of penetrating ability, not another iso-forward.

If people criticized Spurs' lack of ball-movement/unbalanced roster last season, just wait to watch Kawhi, Gay, and LMA together on court...

[jyra]

I saw Ilyasova being mentioned, always liked that he can shoot but still rebound decently. He also led the league in charges drawn last (regular) season with a total of 36.

[MaNu4Tres]

I probably don't like LMA and Gay together. Not much that can be argued about that bc well just have to see what Pop does with them. Also why so many fricking PGs that have no chance in hell to play? That one has been discussed way too much. And I still tend to think JSimms won't be back but since that's just a gut feeling not much I can argue about that.

Spurs would be worse rolling with White/Forbes as the back up SGs. They'd get nuked on the wing in the NBA. Worse than the time Spurs got nuked when they ran Mason/Hill on the wing.

You'll see 3 PGs w/ one developing in Austin ( probably White) until TP gets back. Then Forbes will then probably join White.

LMA is probably not too thrilled about getting his touches reduced. We'll see how that plays out.

But considering the UFA market and realistic options to fit under that salary threshold after the Patty signing, I don't think Spurs could do better. Gay has talent and talent where the Spurs need it, it allows them to be more versatile on both ends vs. the best teams that play that style. It's a low risk, high reward move that I'm thrilled they made considering the alternative options.

[SAGirl]

More and more, I don't think the crazy offer sheet is out there for Simmons. Money is drying up, and unlike other RFAs he's a bit older and may have the "taint" of the Spurs system attached to him (benefiting from their system), rightly or wrongly. We saw how Neal, Boban and to a lesser extent Baynes panned out.

Simmons had a really bad regular season and it may be tough for GMs to risk things on a nice playoff run when the regular season points to a player that fell out of the rotation at times and shot poorly.

I'd love for this to be the case and for Simmons to lock up a deal for $7 million or less AAV for the next three years with a PO after two. Alternative would be a prove it one year deal (QO) and $1 million and change guaranteed. He's going to value the long term security.
More than any of the taint his problem is that he can't really shoot ... he's not going to get the biggest deal with that flaw.... but he may be waiting on other teams first options to pan out or not. Brooklyn and NY may not get their guys and he may also want more years guaranteed than Spurs offered originally.

[SAGirl]

Spurs would be worse rolling with White/Forbes as the back up SGs. They'd get nuked on the wing in the NBA. Worse than the time Spurs got nuked when they ran Mason/Hill on the wing.

You'll see 3 PGs w/ one developing in Austin ( probably White) until TP gets back. Then Forbes will then probably join White.

LMA is probably not too thrilled about getting his touches reduced. We'll see how that plays out.

But considering the UFA market and realistic options to fit under that salary threshold after the Patty signing, I don't think Spurs could do better. Gay has talent and talent where the Spurs need it, it allows them to be more versatile on both ends vs. the best teams that play that style. It's a low risk, high reward move that I'm thrilled they made considering the alternative options.
Appreciate the response but we shall see. Not going to argue... I am too tired..

[MaNu4Tres]

Appreciate the response but we shall see. Not going to argue... I am too tired..

I wasn't arguing. :lol

[SAGirl]

I wasn't arguing. :lol
I don't think Kyle is a 5th wing or 5th big in your scenarios. IMO he's developed and deserving of a rotation spot. I think the same of Bertans but more than Kyle Bertans needs to be set up and plays off other ppl better. He might be better in certain lineups. He doesn't need touches like Gay. I am just too tired to articulate well what I want to say in this area frankly.. but you will disagree with any point made about Kyle and I a again too tired t even bring it up. I ddt like your initial lineups but a lot of that is fluid. Simmons, Manu and Hanga we don't know about.

[MaNu4Tres]

I don't think Kyle is a 5th wing or 5th big in your scenarios. IMO he's developed and deserving of a rotation spot. I think the same of Bertans but more than Kyle Bertans needs to be set up and plays off other ppl better. He might be better in certain lineups. He doesn't need touches like Gay. I am just too tired to articulate well what I want to say in this area frankly.. but you will disagree with any point made about Kyle and I a again too tired t even bring it up. I ddt like your initial lineups but a lot of that is fluid. Simmons, Manu and Hanga we don't know about.

I have a hard time believing Spurs go into next season w/ White/Anderson/Forbes as their back up wings.

I don't see a scenario where Kyle can be anything more than the 4th big or wing.

He'll have to beat out Bertans to get 4th big spot.

As for the wings. He should hope Manu retires, so he competes w/ Hanga for minutes and not Simmons (if Simmons is re-signed).

If Manu retires, Simmons is the back up SG then Kyle/Hanga compete for limited minutes behind Kawhi.
If Manu is back, Simmons competes w/ Kyle for minutes at SF.

[SAGirl]

I have a hard time believing Spurs go into next season w/ White/Anderson/Forbes as their back up wings.

I don't see a scenario where Kyle can be anything more than the 4th big or wing.

He'll have to beat out Bertans to get 4th big spot.

As for the wings. He should hope Manu retires, so he competes w/ Hanga for minutes and not Simmons (if Simmons is re-signed).

If Manu retires, Simmons is the back up SG then Kyle/Hanga compete for limited minutes behind Kawhi.
If Manu is back, Simmons competes w/ Kyle for minutes at SF.
Doesn't make sense for me that Simmons competes with anyone if he's back he's going to have his spot. Will have to look at this again tomorrow to make any additional comments.

[Mnky]

Agree. But that player had to be a playmaker with some kind of penetrating ability, not another iso-forward.

If people criticized Spurs' lack of ball-movement/unbalanced roster last season, just wait to watch Kawhi, Gay, and LMA together on court...

He was brought on as an Iso . We had ball movement and a bunch of scared shooters. Rudy gay isnt afraid of that. It's actually his speciality. I'm sure he will be more team oriented on a 60 win team, but he was definitely brought on to give kawhi a break. Once kawhi went out, the offense usually did. Need someone who draws defense attention on the bench outside of mills. Rudy does that. He fits fine with the second unit as a lead scorer. They haven't had one in a long while.

They don't need more of what they have, which was passers and role players. They needed a legitimate sixth man. He gets the green light with the second unit and I think spurs will be better for it.

[Mnky]

Its weird reading all these Iso comments. Just because they can score one on one doesn't make them Iso only players. It's a benefit or a luxury to have. Spurs issue against gsw was no one could take advantage of an Iso . Now people are complaining about getting what the spurs needed most.. :lol

It's like they don't acknowledge tge spurs were the second best team in the NBA last year and only the wolves made big enough moves to really change things. Wont know who they are til next year.

Spurs are better at this point, if they retain who they want going forward. Being the second best team in the league and getting better, is hard to come by when max players are taking discounts in the prime to stack their team on the most lopsided team in history.

Spurs are doing great.

[Uriel]

Any updates on Tiago Splitter? Would love to have him back.

[outmap]

Any updates on Tiago Splitter? Would love to have him back.

For the LLE? Sure. :)

[YGWHI]

Need someone who draws defense attention on the bench outside of mills. Rudy does that. He fits fine with the second unit as a lead scorer. They haven't had one in a long while.

They don't need more of what they have, which was passers and role players. They needed a legitimate sixth man. He gets the green light with the second unit and I think spurs will be better for it.

I doubt he would be a reserve...

[duncan2150]

what could the Spurs offer to dedmon now ?

[YGWHI]

Its weird reading all these Iso comments. Just because they can score one on one doesn't make them Iso only players. It's a benefit or a luxury to have. Spurs issue against gsw was no one could take advantage of an Iso . Now people are complaining about getting what the spurs needed most.. :lol


Iso plays aren't bad per se if the iso-player is hyper-efficient like Kawhi but we need some elite playmaker who can make Spurs' offense more fluid...

Our PGs/SGs Patty, Murray, Danny aren't that type of guy. Even when Kawhi improved a lot in last playoffs at creating for others, we can't ask him to do everything, scoring, defense, asts..

It seems like Spurs will play my-turn-your-turn offense again between Kawhi, LMA and now Gay...I wonder who will give our few 3-point shooters Patty, Danny, Davis, good looks...I wonder who will give Kawhi, LMA easy buckets...

All I'm saying is that I expected a more elaborated offense. I wanted just two things this offseason, a true playmaker and a defensive big...But the NBA market and PATFO hate me.

[szkorhetz]

Now S'n'T Simmons for a big (I am looking at you, Kyle O'Quinn) and sign Hanga.

[Jdspur20]

Any updates on Tiago Splitter? Would love to have him back.

For the vet min sure.

[Mnky]

Iso plays aren't bad per se if the iso-player is hyper-efficient like Kawhi but we need some elite playmaker who can make Spurs' offense more fluid...

Our PGs/SGs Patty, Murray, Danny aren't that type of guy. Even when Kawhi improved a lot in last playoffs at creating for others, we can't ask him to do everything, scoring, defense, asts..

It seems like Spurs will play my-turn-your-turn offense again between Kawhi, LMA and now Gay...I wonder who will give our few 3-point shooters Patty, Danny, Davis, good looks...I wonder who will give Kawhi, LMA easy buckets...

All I'm saying is that I expected a more elaborated offense. I wanted just two things this offseason, a true playmaker and a defensive big...But the NBA market and PATFO hate me.

I get that argument. The spurs starters, even without tony Parker, outplayed the warriors starters quite a few times in the season. The bench is really what needed a facelift as they just didn't seem to make anything happen against them.
I feel like the bench could compete with any other team but the warriors.

I want a more focused play maker at the guard position as well, but i think the first unit has enough to contend with anyone with kawhi in mvp mode.

The second unit, if they keep Manu , has plenty of passers and cutters. Patty is greta off ball movement. Gasol Gail is great at picking apart a defense and hitting a pick and pop. Manu is serviceable at distributing when he's not trying. To score 100 ppints in one possesion. I feel they would benefit from a true ball hog in the second unit. Someone who wants to score and have the ball. They all seemed scared to have it last year. Think the less pressure they have, the better the role players will turn out to play.

It will definitely be interesting to see how it plays out, what the final roster is, and how Pop plans to attack the season. He definitely had his team ready to play the warriors. A few unfortunate ankle rolls, changed the narrative quick.

[Mnky]

I doubt he would be a reserve...

I think it makes much more sense for him to take a manu role and lead his own unit, then run with kawhi. Unless of course Danny is on the move, but even then one of thw younger guys would fit in better that can 3nD.

I could see him as a small ball pf starter to tho . Th at would actually be fun to see.

[Chinook]

I mean looking at this... where do you see Manu and Simmons? This roster is crowded already in guards

In theory, Manu and Simmons can take up the remaining roster spot and Forbes' spot. Or the team could trade Green. Not a fan of either scenario. One of them coming back (Manu over Simmons for tax purposes) and kicking Forbes off the team would make the most sense.

[tbdog]

Well white/Murray/Forbes will be coming and going to the D league. I think Murray and White will battle out backup point, and will still lose minutes to Manu and Simmons.

[SPURt]

Found DRapist cut:

https://media.giphy.com/media/RD6xYydS43msU/giphy.gif
Haha! That's awesome!

[Dex]

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[Chinook]

That tweet imbeded in the article is wrong-headed (in the same way a previous post of mine was). They have 15 guys under contract not counting Hanga. Bringing back Manu and Simmons give the Spurs no choice but to cut Forbes for Hanga, giving them $8 Million in space, not $6 Million. More importantly, "space under the hard cap" only matters if it's less than the LLE, which it isn't.

$13 Million for Manu and Pau would be reasonable, though.

[NASpurs]

Mason, Miles and this dude. I don't even think I've ever even seen him before. :lol

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[Joseph Kony]

wait, there's a third plumlee? :lol

[Chinook]

wait, there's a third plumlee? :lol

Yes. Their parents are so proud.

[raybies]

Detroit sending Marcus for Bradley

[TheGreatYacht]

Avery Bradley to Detroit for Marcus Morris. Wow

[raybies]

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[BG_Spurs_Fan]

KCP gone :lol

[Chinook]

Brooklyn must be happy

[raybies]

Thats a pretty stacked roster.

Thomas/Hayward/Brown/Morris/Horford

Still have to trade Crowder and Smart...

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Brooklyn must be happy

They'll finally be allowed to actually keep the guy they've grossly overpaid.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Also quite funny that Boston get yet another SF.

[raybies]

Did Brooklyn sign KCP to an offer sheet that I don't know about? Thought they only signed Porter

[raybies]

Also quite funny that Boston get yet another SF.
He's more of a four.

[raybies]

as four Detroit

Jackson/Bradley/Johnson/Harris/Drummond

Should be a playoff team in the east

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

He's more of a four.

Perhaps in certain line-ups, but they won't be able to get away with playing Horford-Morris, their rebounding and rim protection was bad already. Not that it'd matter all that much in the terrible East.

[raybies]

same squad for Vegas for the Spurs

[raybies]

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[BG_Spurs_Fan]

883321157822300161

So, by the time Woj was reporting the Plumlee news Shams tweeted about the Bradley-Morris trade. W:lolj

[Fireball]

there is a third Plumlee brother?

[mo7888]

The market may have dried up for KCP now. I know we don't have room unless there's some kind of sign in trade that I'm not aware of that's available to us but somebody like Atlanta ought to be all over this. If they could replace hardaway with him for less money that would be a win.

[Dex]

there is a third Plumlee brother?

He was playing for the Knicks summer league team.

He sucked. :lol

[NASpurs]

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[look_at_g_shred]

Danny Green for Johnson. Who says no?

[mo7888]

883328358922289154

Whos left with cap space though? Brooklyn only if Washington matches porter offer and Phoenix? Am I forgwtting anyone? Maybe Atlanta or Orlando?

[Ice009]

Maybe we can send them Danny Green and work out some kind of sign and trade? We know Van Gundy likes Green.

Edit : I just had a look at his numbers and I retract that proposal.

[NASpurs]

I mean, if you guys want Gasol that bad, I guess we could play Aldridge at the five.

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[Chinook]

Danny Green for Johnson. Who says no?

Johnson?

[Chinook]

People wanted to give up a first and Green for Bradley. Could have taken him into cap space and gotten an asset.

[look_at_g_shred]

Let's get the golden god back on the train. I actually miss those awkward flops in the lane.

[r0drig0lac]

Johnson?

[look_at_g_shred]

Johnson?
Sarcasm or you don't know who i'm referring to?

[Chinook]

Sarcasm or you don't know who i'm referring to?

Oh, Stanley Johnson? I didn't know. Fuck that dude, though.

[sasaint]

Johnson?

I think he means Stanley Johnson since he posted it in a flurry of Pistons posts.

[look_at_g_shred]

yea that boii stanley

[TheGreatYacht]

Danny Green for Johnson. Who says no?
Pistons

[Ice009]

Johnson shoots 35% from the field and 29% from 3 point range. Why would you want to trade Green for him? No thanks.

[look_at_g_shred]

Johnson shoots 35% from the field and 29% from 3 point range. Why would you want to trade Green for him? No thanks.
Boy, bye!

[buttsR4rebounding]

Since the Spurs used the non-taxpayer MLE to sign Gay they are now limited to total salaries of $125.2 million. If Simmons is signed for 8.4 million then that will leave a total of $17.8 million to sign Pau, Ginobili (if he come back) and a 15th player. It seems to me that the Spurs really need to sign Mulitunov this year because we need additional bigs and to lock him into the rookie salary structure. If Simmons is re-signed this almost assures that Pau's deal will be multi-year. The Gay signing makes it less likely that both Simmons and Hanga will both be on the team.

[Dex]

Spurs give Blossomgame a 2-way contract (http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/report-spurs-sign-blossomgame-to-a-two-way-deal)

[Chinook]

Spurs give Blossomgame a 2-way contract (http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/report-spurs-sign-blossomgame-to-a-two-way-deal)

I imagine that this was already planned when they drafted him. Hope they can get Lalanne to agree to one as well.

[Ice009]

Since the Spurs used the non-taxpayer MLE to sign Gay they are now limited to total salaries of $125.2 million. If Simmons is signed for 8.4 million then that will leave a total of $17.8 million to sign Pau, Ginobili (if he come back) and a 15th player. It seems to me that the Spurs really need to sign Mulitunov this year because we need additional bigs and to lock him into the rookie salary structure. It seems to me that if Simmons is re-signed this almost assures that Pau's deal will be multi-year. The Gay signing makes it less likely that both Simmons and Hanga will both be on the team.

What's the deal with this hard cap? I thought you could sign minimum contracts no matter how far over the cap you are?

[Chinook]

What's the deal with this hard cap? I thought you could sign minimum contracts no matter how far over the cap you are?

Nope. The hard cap is truly that. I honestly think the Spurs will duck the tax, though, let alone the apron.

[Spurs9]

delete- dupe

[Spurs9]

Rakeem Christmas got waived, what do you guys think of him? How much are those 2 way contracts for $ wise? Kinda wish they would boost the salaries of the G league guys, its always been crazy low, around $25k right?

[Chinook]

Rakeem Christmas got waived, what do you guys think of him?

Like him, and it's likely he's the closest genetic match we're going to get to Tim. If the body-swap is going to ever work, we need to go for it now.

[Chinook]

Rakeem Christmas got waived, what do you guys think of him? How much are those 2 way contracts for $ wise? Kinda wish they would boost the salaries of the G league guys, its always been crazy low, around $25k right?

They'll likely be in the $300k range. Not bad.

[Spurs9]

Like him, and it's likely he's the closest genetic match we're going to get to Tim. If the body-swap is going to ever work, we need to go for it now.

Yeah I'm suprised, I would expect for someone to snatch him up, he didn't get many minutes in Indy but thought he had potential.

[r0drig0lac]

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[Chinook]

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Guess it's confirmed then.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Nope. The hard cap is truly that. I honestly think the Spurs will duck the tax, though, let alone the apron.

I think it's safe to assume they're going to do what they can to be under the lux tax. With what Cleveland, Portland, and Golden State are going to be paying in penalties alone, they're going to have a couple million coming to them if they're under the threshold.

[RodNIc91]

Spurs would be worse rolling with White/Forbes as the back up SGs. They'd get nuked on the wing in the NBA. Worse than the time Spurs got nuked when they ran Mason/Hill on the wing.

You'll see 3 PGs w/ one developing in Austin ( probably White) until TP gets back. Then Forbes will then probably join White.

LMA is probably not too thrilled about getting his touches reduced. We'll see how that plays out.

But considering the UFA market and realistic options to fit under that salary threshold after the Patty signing, I don't think Spurs could do better. Gay has talent and talent where the Spurs need it, it allows them to be more versatile on both ends vs. the best teams that play that style. It's a low risk, high reward move that I'm thrilled they made considering the alternative options.

Backup SG is a position of concern for sure. Maybe they're talking to boston about crowder?

[Chinook]

Backup SG is a position of concern for sure. Maybe they're talking to boston about crowder?

Huh?

[cjw]

Whos left with cap space though? Brooklyn only if Washington matches porter offer and Phoenix? Am I forgwtting anyone? Maybe Atlanta or Orlando?

A lot of teams - see my post from a few days ago. I'll update it later today.

[Ice009]

Nope. The hard cap is truly that. I honestly think the Spurs will duck the tax, though, let alone the apron.

Why do the Spurs have a hard cap? Aren't there other teams way over what the Spurs are paying?

[Chinook]

Why do the Spurs have a hard cap? Aren't there other teams way over what the Spurs are paying?

Yes, but those teams haven't used the non-tax-payer's MLE yet. Using that is essentially a promise that SA won't go over the apron.

[sasaint]

Backup SG is a position of concern for sure. Maybe they're talking to boston about crowder?

Crowder, who I would like to have (pipe dream) is a SF. But Simmons is still in play, and we have a plethora of combos.

[Ice009]

Yes, but those teams haven't used the non-tax-payer's MLE yet. Using that is essentially a promise that SA won't go over the apron.

What I should of asked is, does every team have a hard cap, or do you have to do something to trigger it?

[Chinook]

What I should of asked is, does every team have a hard cap, or do you have to do something to trigger it?

You have to trigger it by using the NTP MLE or receiving a player in an S&T. If you do neither, you can spend as much as you want. GS used the TP MLE to sign Young, and the Cavs have just used Bird rights to sign Korver.

[r0drig0lac]

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[Ice009]

Wow. Why are they doing that? Is he looking for too much money, or do they not consider him a great prospect anymore?

[Ice009]

You have to trigger it by using the NTP MLE or receiving a player in an S&T. If you do neither, you can spend as much as you want. GS used the TP MLE to sign Young, and the Cavs have just used Bird rights to sign Korver.

Interesting. Didn't know any of that. What's the best website to go to, to read about this stuff?

[look_at_g_shred]

What's KCP asking for 80 mil??

[r0drig0lac]

Less money for Simmons with every new news