Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[objective]

If the Spurs are half as good at drafting talent as the legend says, then losing this year's first round pick is a freaking disaster. Paying Pau for a year is a one-year inconvenience. What FA could they love that much, who has a legit chance of coming here? CP3, D-Wade, Hayward? Maybe. But that's pretty much the short list. Anyone else either isn't coming here, or isn't worth giving up Pau plus the first round pick.

You and I disagreed about rebuilding this past season. We'll never know, because of Tony and Kawhi both getting injured. But now, mortgaging the future to try and to a rebuild-in-place with this many holes and this many bad contracts? It's just not smart. It's a matter of "wasting" one year of Kawhi's prime vs. wasting multiple years.

The only exception to that I can see is if one or two vets decide to take a Spurs-friendly deal to allow them to fill out the roster. There's no way of planning for something like that to happen.

I would be satisfied if they burned a pick if they got Holiday, Paul or Hill.

Not happy. I wasn't happy when news broke that Gasol would have a player option for a second year. It was a bad move at the time.

But what's done is done. Either get better now or enjoy what could be the next Hill or the next LJC several years in the future, after Kawhi has started fading.

[venitian navigator]

I've seen lot of hypothetical trades sending lma to Boston because they need a big man...but Boston could fix the same need with Pau. Well, Pau is probably a beter fit for them than Alridge.
I think in their eyes Pau's value is, and in any case it locically should be, the biggest than for all other teams...
Considering the amount of players they have, one of Crowder or Bradley or Smart could be available...This looks more doable considering that:
1) both Bradley and Smart have a one year contract too;
2) they could get rid also of the Zeller contract.

[szkorhetz]

If Bosh is bought out and completely healthy, I would seriously consider the guy on a cheaper deal.

[mo7888]

I've seen lot of hypothetical trades sending lma to Boston because they need a big man...but Boston could fix the same need with Pau. Well, Pau is probably a beter fit for them than Alridge.
I think in their eyes Pau's value is, and in any case it locically should be, the biggest than for all other teams...
Considering the amount of players they have, one of Crowder or Bradley or Smart could be available...This looks more doable considering that:
1) both Bradley and Smart have a one year contract too;
2) they could get rid also of the Zeller contract.

Zeller's contract is a team option so they can use it in a trade or simply waive him for cap space to sign a FA.

[tbdog]

If Bosh is bought out and completely healthy, I would seriously consider the guy on a cheaper deal.

No team is touching him. Too much bad karma.

[tbdog]

Danny Green is still a goat at transitional defense.

[eDizzle20]

Does anyone know if Gasol opts in are the Spurs able to trade him during the offseason as well? I would think there would be some rule against it in the CBA.

[tbdog]

Does anyone know if Gasol opts in are the Spurs able to trade him during the offseason as well? I would think there would be some rule against it in the CBA.

Yep, Spurs can trade, stretch waive him, whatever.

[Joseph Kony]

:lmao ...anyone coming up with rotations that have rookies as starters

[BatManu20]

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[ECOV]

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if he doesn't get injured I'm all for it

[BatManu20]

ST heads would turn :lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAm6QALXYAAlQoc?format=jpg&name=large

[Robz4000]

It begins.

[tbdog]

http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/246028/The-Future-Of-The-Spurs-In-The-Golden-State-Age

[tbdog]

ST heads would turn :lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAm6QALXYAAlQoc?format=jpg&name=large

That knee is about to break

[SAGirl]

:lmao ...anyone coming up with rotations that have rookies as starters
Yes even as rotation players their first season is uphill.

[raybies]

I'll breathe the air. Should be considerably cheaper than Paul. Injuries wise I don't know but I don't think there would be another team better than the Spurs at managing his minutes. Also if it means Pau is gone, I'd do it. 15 mill per is what I'd peg him at and if people think Patty will get 10-12 would rather have Rose. He was having a semi productive season until he tore his meniscus was it? But he could be a value pick up at the right price and as a stop gap for Murray. Give him the same deal you gave Pau.

[raybies]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/05/timberwolves-to-pursue-derrick-rose.html?fv-home=true&post-id=63612

Said he'll prioritize winning over money. If he'd take the mid level would you take him?

[-21-]

I'll breathe the air. Should be considerably cheaper than Paul. Injuries wise I don't know but I don't think there would be another team better than the Spurs at managing his minutes. Also if it means Pau is gone, I'd do it. 15 mill per is what I'd peg him at and if people think Patty will get 10-12 would rather have Rose. He was having a semi productive season until he tore his meniscus was it? But he could be a value pick up at the right price and as a stop gap for Murray. Give him the same deal you gave Pau.

Ehhhh, he still can't shoot and is very fragile... I think the risks outweigh the possible benefits with him especially at that price. I'd rather see what's available in the trade market. If Boston drafts a PG, they'll have a logjam. It would be smart to see if we can get any of their guys. Personally though, Ish Smith is my favorite trade possibility.

[raybies]

Derrick Rose will join us call us a super team then we will miss the playoffs

[Joseph Kony]

please no

[HarlemHeat37]

Rose could be a good 6th man, tbh..cancerous starter, though, he no longer has a positive effect on teammates, he just looks to score for himself(not efficiently, either)..

I don't believe the Spurs actually have interest..typical of a FA to boost his name by mentioning Spurs' interest. .

[BatManu20]

Rose could be a good 6th man, tbh..cancerous starter, though, he no longer has a positive effect on teammates, he just looks to score for himself(not efficiently, either)..

I don't believe the Spurs actually have interest..typical of a FA to boost his name by mentioning Spurs' interest. .

Agreed.

[tbdog]

Ehhhh, he still can't shoot and is very fragile... I think the risks outweigh the possible benefits with him especially at that price. I'd rather see what's available in the trade market. If Boston drafts a PG, they'll have a logjam. It would be smart to see if we can get any of their guys. Personally though, Ish Smith is my favorite trade possibility.

Dis Rose's shooting and then say your interested in Ish Smith?

[Hoops Czar]

Agreed.
Agree to what? If you read the article, it says rival executives feel the Spurs will make a run at Rose, not the Spurs and NOT the Rose camp. The article itself has very little credibility but, Rose clearly didn't start this rumor.

[daledondale]

Rose is made of glass, he's even more injury prone than golden god.

[MaNu4Tres]

Rather have Jrue.

Pass please.

[TheDoctor]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAm6QALXYAAlQoc?format=jpg&name=large

Why the lightning? Isn't that dude's lower body full of conducting materials?

Also, that's Megamind's #.

[coachmac87]

3yr/33M Team Option after 2..

And this would be if we whiff on everybody including Patty Mills...

[ace3g]

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[raybies]

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So we could just trade Danny and Pau and let Patty, Dedmon walk to have enough cap? Spurs might do that over trading Parker

[BillMc]

Why the lightning? Isn't that dude's lower body full of conducting materials?


:lmao

[ace3g]

Quick list of players I wouldn't mind Spurs targeting:

Paul Millsap (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3015/paul-millsap)
Kyle Korver (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2011/kyle-korver)
Andre Iguodala (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala)
Chris Paul (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul) (ETO)
J.J. Redick (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3024/jj-redick)
Omri Casspi (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3554/omri-casspi)
Serge Ibaka (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3439/serge-ibaka)
P.J. Tucker (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3033/pj-tucker)
Joe Ingles (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2968436/joe-ingles)

[CGD]

Man we have so many needs... especially in backcourt. We almost NEED Manu to stay.

[Jdspur20]

So we could just trade Danny and Pau and let Patty, Dedmon walk to have enough cap? Spurs might do that over trading Parker

Or Parker retires. But I don't think he's going to.

[palangi]

Trade
LeMarcus Aldridge and Kyle Anderson to Orlando

for

Jeff Green, Mario Herzonja, and the 25th pick, 35th pick

Jeff Green comes in as a 4 man that can play with the teams in the West. Herzonja gets a breathe of fresh air and a new start. The Spurs system might be the right fit.

Danny Green to Brooklyn

for
the 22nd pick

The dynamic of this team needs to change.

Draft:

22nd- Hamidou Diallo SG 6'5'- a very athletic kid with good shooting form. Being the Spurs system will help with his consistancy in his jump shot. Doesn't have to come in and play right away.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XnOZbXlly6Q

25- DJ Wilson PF 6'10- long athletic kid. Good shooter and scorer. Can handle the ball.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kEv4lI1GOFY

29- Devin Robinson SF 6'9"- long athletic kid. Good shooter and scorer. Can play small ball 4.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w1RFgCiPf8w

35- draft and stash.

59- Alpha Kaba PF/C 6'10- very long and athletic. Good shooter.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot1tNr02vAA


Euros brought over

Nikola Milutinov C 7'
Adam Hanga SG/SF 6'6"
Olivier Hanlan PG 6'4" 6th man on his euro team
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZNVAd_XDk4

PG- Murray, Hanlan, Forbes
SG - Herzonja, Simmons, Diallo
SF - Leonard, Hanga, Robinson
PF - Green, Bertans, Wilson
C- Gasol, Milutinov, Kaba

[apalisoc_9]

Trade
LeMarcus Aldridge and Kyle Anderson to Orlando

for

Jeff Green, Mario Herzonja, and the 25th pick, 35th pick

Jeff Green comes in as a 4 man that can play with the teams in the West. Herzonja gets a breathe of fresh air and a new start. The Spurs system might be the best thing for him.

Danny Green to Brooklyn

for
the 22nd pick

The dynamic of this team needs to change.

Draft:

22nd- Hamidou Diallo SG 6'5'- a very athletic kid with good shooting form. Being the Spurs system will help with his consistancy in his jump shot. Doesn't have to come in and play right away.

25- DJ Wilson PF 6'10- long athletic kid. Good shooter and scorer. Can handle the ball.

29- Devin Robinson SF 6'9"- long athletic kid. Good shooter and scorer. Can play small ball 4.

35- draft and stash.

59- Alpha Kaba PF/C 6'10- very long and athletic. Good shooter. Good rim protection.


Euros brought over

Nikola Milutinov C 7'
Adam Hanga SG/SF 6'6"
Olivier Hanlan PG 6'4" 6th man on his euro team


PG- Murray, Hanlan, Forbes
SG - Herzonja, Simmons, Diallo
SF - Leonard, Hanga, Robinson
PF - Green, Bertans, Wilson
C- Gasol, Milutinov, Kaba

Seriously, stop posting garbage.

[palangi]

Seriously, stop posting garbage.

I'm sorry I'm talking about guys you don't know, so your ignorance comes out.

[Atl Spur]

Your trades make sense to me..........just saying. How much salary are you freeing up though?

[cjw]

Seriously, stop posting garbage.

He wants this team to win like 40-45 games. Kawhi can't lose more than that by his sheer drive.

On the Magic deal, why would they trade for Aldridge when they're blocking Aaron's Gordon's starting spot (he's not a SF)? Also, OP forgot that Jeff Green is a FA and can't be traded. They're not moving Fornier and I'm not touching Biyambo. Vucevic is a misleading stats guy, so might have to go for Ross. I'm going to need more than Hezonja who's looked like a bust so far for Aldridge. If you know what you're getting at 25, I'd have the conversation.

Green for 22 is interesting, but people here continue to underrate his defense and ability to stretch floor even if he's not hitting shots. When getting chased off the three point line he's become better too.

This plan is really a play to maximize cap space this offseason and make a play for CP3 or Hayward.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I'm sorry I'm talking about guys you don't know, so your ignorance comes out.

Ignorance? You really think Pop would be okay with the majority of his 10 man rotation being first or second year players?


That's ignorance.

[GSH]

Rose could be a good 6th man, tbh..cancerous starter, though



There you go again. Always trying to keep the proud young black men on the back of the bus. You'd let him work for us... just so long as he doesn't try to come up to the house?


:D

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Green for 22 is interesting, but people here continue to underrate his defense and ability to stretch floor even if he's not hitting shots. When getting chased off the three point line he's become better too.


The Nets took on Andrew Nicholson's ridiculous contract - 3 years and 20 mil left on it - in order to get that 22nd pick. They're not throwing it for a 1 year rental of a win-now player like Green, come on.

[r0drig0lac]

Nicolo Melli is another European wing that can do well in the nba, rumors that Spurs is one of the teams interested

[r0drig0lac]

...

[palangi]

Ignorance? You really think Pop would be okay with the majority of his 10 man rotation being first or second year players?


That's ignorance.

You're right we are winning so many championships by staying old.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

You're right we are winning so many championships by staying old.

5, to be precise. Which young teams have won championships?

[jermaine]

Where's Marco Bellinelli these days??

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

You're right we are winning so many championships by staying old.

Completely different conversation than what Pop will do. He is Larry Brown level senior when it comes to trusting young players and you think he's suddenly going to go that route?

[Jdspur20]

Question for the group: If Spurs were able to trade either LMA or Gasol, which one would you choose?

[Joseph Kony]

Question for the group: If Spurs were able to trade either LMA or Gasol, which one would you choose?
Gasol easily...LMA at least can play defense

[Jdspur20]

Gasol easily...LMA at least can play defense

Very true.

[palangi]

5, to be precise. Which young teams have won championships?

You're blowing it way up. We still have vet leadership.
And golden state was pretty young when they won it. Their main core was

[palangi]

Completely different conversation than what Pop will do. He is Larry Brown level senior when it comes to trusting young players and you think he's suddenly going to go that route?

I guess it is more hope thank reality. But something I would like seen done.

[palangi]

Question for the group: If Spurs were able to trade either LMA or Gasol, which one would you choose?

LMA he would bring back a better package.

[palangi]

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[DAF86]

-Sign and trade LA for CP3.
-Let Patty go.
-Let Simmons go.
-Sign Dedmon.
-Sign Korver.
-Manu for the min.
-Draft wings.

CP3, Green, Leonard, Bertans, Dedmon
Tony, Manu, Korver, Anderson, Pau
Murray, Forbes, drafted wing, drafted wing, vet min big.

[cjw]

The Nets took on Andrew Nicholson's ridiculous contract - 3 years and 20 mil left on it - in order to get that 22nd pick. They're not throwing it for a 1 year rental of a win-now player like Green, come on.

Doesn't preclude a third team from being involved to get Green. I'm not a fan of trading Green but if there's someone there at 22 he's one of the few traceable chips.

Nicholson fell off the face of the earth after Washington poached him - looked okay on paper and thought to have upside like everyone on the Magic (seemingly) but his advanced stats have always been mediocre and doesn't do anything especially well. He's a power forward at a SF height.

22nd pick wasn't only to take on Nicholson. Bogdanovic was the key piece to getting the pick.

[peacemaker885]

Really hoping we go back to the beautiful game.

[Boogie Munster]

The Spurs sans Parker, Leonard, LMA and Pop had a private party at Tacoland earlier today. They were all dressed up. Pau as Rocky and Manu and Mills were in drag. Some pics should surface soon. Green is a crazy good tipper too.

[bic50]

Really hoping we go back to the beautiful game.
Those days are gone

[SPURt]

I wish the Spurs could find a way to get Bogdan Bogdanovic from the Kings. There's no way Vlade let's the most intriguing Serbian prospect go anywhere but one can dream.

[sasaint]

-Sign and trade LA for CP3.
-Let Patty go.
-Let Simmons go.
-Sign Dedmon.
-Sign Korver.
-Manu for the min.
-Draft wings.

CP3, Green, Leonard, Bertans, Dedmon
Tony, Manu, Korver, Anderson, Pau
Murray, Forbes, drafted wing, drafted wing, vet min big.

Why would the Clippers want LMA, Blake and Jordan, tying up +/- 70% of their cap space on 3 bigs?

[Robz4000]

Why would the Clippers want LMA, Blake and Jordan, tying up +/- 70% of their cap space on 3 bigs?

Griffin won't be back with the Clippers tbh. Most likely ends up in OKC.

[DAF86]

Why would the Clippers want LMA, Blake and Jordan, tying up +/- 70% of their cap space on 3 bigs?

'Cause they wouldn't have much of a say if Paul wants to play for another team. In that case, Clippers can either sign and trade Paul to wherever CP3 wants, just to get something in return, or let him walk for nothing.

[Mal]

Griffin won't be back with the Clippers tbh. Most likely ends up in OKC.

OKC have no money.

[Robz4000]

OKC have no money.

S&T imo

[Mal]

S&T imo

For Kanter ? Why would Clippers do that ? Even if Paul is gone, that does not make sense. Better option would be snt for Carmelo Anthony even.

[Robz4000]

For Kanter ? Why would Clippers do that ? Even if Paul is gone, that does not make sense. Better option would be snt for Carmelo Anthony even.

Was thinking more along the lines of Oladipo and McDermott. Clips will need a shooter to replace Reddick and Oladipo can actually start in place of Reddick himself.

[Mal]

Was thinking more along the lines of Oladipo and McDermott. Clips will need a shooter to replace Reddick and Oladipo can actually start in place of Reddick himself.

That will leave OKC with need of shooters to replace Oladipo and McDermott. OKC is failry stacked at backcourt - Adams, Kanter, Sabonic, Collison. Griffin is not a good fit.

[Robz4000]

That will leave OKC with need of shooters to replace Oladipo and McDermott. OKC is failry stacked at backcourt - Adams, Kanter, Sabonic, Collison. Griffin is not a good fit.

They can trade Kanter to another team for a shooter, just might have to attach a first rounder to do so. Sabonis should also hopefully grow a bit during the off season ability-wise and become a more respectable shooter. The fact is you don't turn down a talent like Griffin if you're OKC; you get him then try to figure out how to make it work.

[RodNIc91]

They can trade Kanter to another team for a shooter, just might have to attach a first rounder to do so. Sabonis should also hopefully grow a bit during the off season ability-wise and become a more respectable shooter. The fact is you don't turn down a talent like Griffin if you're OKC; you get him then try to figure out how to make it work.

Westbrook + Griffin would be explosive AF, but do you think this has a real possibility of happening? Let's assume that CP3 want to play for the Spurs and no longer for the Clips... is a S&T a real possibility capwise?

[Mal]

Westbrook + Griffin would be explosive AF, but do you think this has a real possibility of happening? Let's assume that CP3 want to play for the Spurs and no longer for the Clips... is a S&T a real possibility capwise?

It would, Clipps would be much under salary cap if Paul and Griffin dont pick their PO. Only way to make it easy for Spurs to sign Paul is that, Griffin leaves and snt offer from SA is for LMA. But Spurs with Paul 30mil wouldn't be better team and there will be very little option to go for 3rd star in 2018.

If Paul wants to come, then it has to be for 22-25mil top. If PATFO think that will be good move for Spurs, they will manage to do it salary wise.

[Robz4000]

Westbrook + Griffin would be explosive AF, but do you think this has a real possibility of happening? Let's assume that CP3 want to play for the Spurs and no longer for the Clips... is a S&T a real possibility capwise?

I think it's where Griffin most likely ends up, but Griffin for Melo could happen too assuming Griffin wants to play in NY. At this point Griffin gets to decide his future.

As for CP0, I 100% think he takes the money and stays with the Clippers. I just don't think winning takes a priority in his life, especially when $200mil is the alternative.

[tbdog]

I think it's where Griffin most likely ends up, but Griffin for Melo could happen too assuming Griffin wants to play in NY. At this point Griffin gets to decide his future.

As for CP0, I 100% think he takes the money and stays with the Clippers. I just don't think winning takes a priority in his life, especially when $200mil is the alternative.

Griffin thinks the Earth is 6000 year old. He is dumb as. He will take the money.

[ace3g]

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[jermaine]

I want Lee to return!!! I like his hustle an his knowing where to be.

[raybies]

Great news

[CGD]

Not a terrible offseason if Rose comes for full MLE. Preserves flexibility for 2018.

Dedmon is a goner;
Mills/Simmons gonna paid elsewhere;
All/most of LLE goes to Hanga;
Hopefully Lee opts in after injury;
Sign multinov to rookie deal;
Draft Dedmon replacement;

Looks for internal improvement from Murray, Berty, and Forbes.

[raybies]

Not a terrible offseason if Rose comes for full MLE. Preserves flexibility for 2018.

Dedmon is a goner;
Mills/Simmons gonna paid elsewhere;
All/most of LLE goes to Hanga;
Hopefully Lee opts in after injury;
Sign multinov to rookie deal;
Draft Dedmon replacement;

Looks for internal improvement from Murray, Berty, and Forbes.
I'd keep Simmons

[Robz4000]

Seen a lot of mention that the Spurs need a rim protector and shot blocker above all else this off season. I know a lot of people are still upset at LMA for his poor postseason run but the dude was a Top 5 defensive big this past season and defended them rim better than everyone not named Gobert/Green. Even Gasol is pretty decent at protecting the rim. Spurs need to improve their guard situation first and foremost, add another defensive-minded wing (or resign Simmons if his asking price isn't ridiculous), then go for a big. Obviously if the best player at 29 is a defensive-minded big like Bell you take him, but otherwise you fix the most vulnerable position first.

[Robz4000]

Also, wouldn't be too surprised if LJC ends up making the roster next season. He fits a lot of the check boxes of what the Spurs need from the big position and showed improvement over the course of the D-League season iirc. Keeping him in France was the worst move for him and the Spurs other than drafting him in the first place.

[SAGirl]

I went back and re-read the initial posts in this thread, most of us were really disappointed in Aldridge. We can't forget Spurs almost don't even make it out of the fricking first round if Tony doesn't step up big time. Pop was playing Lee a lot more than Pau etc.

The team has huge holes with Pau/LMA softness. They need a legit center/rebounder/shotblocker.

[MaNu4Tres]

I went back and re-read the initial posts in this thread, most of us were really disappointed in Aldridge. We can't forget Spurs almost don't even make it out of the fricking first round if Tony doesn't step up big time. Pop was playing Lee a lot more than Pau etc.

The team has huge holes with Pau/LMA softness. They need a legit center/rebounder/shotblocker.

Only way to answer that problem is through the draft.

[BillMc]

Seen a lot of mention that the Spurs need a rim protector and shot blocker above all else this off season. I know a lot of people are still upset at LMA for his poor postseason run but the dude was a Top 5 defensive big this past season and defended them rim better than everyone not named Gobert/Green. Even Gasol is pretty decent at protecting the rim. Spurs need to improve their guard situation first and foremost, add another defensive-minded wing (or resign Simmons if his asking price isn't ridiculous), then go for a big. Obviously if the best player at 29 is a defensive-minded big like Bell you take him, but otherwise you fix the most vulnerable position first.

This

[kobyz]

Trading for Evan turner or crabbe, Portland is expecting to try unload one of them, should spurs be interesting??

[tbdog]

They are so over paid that I wouldn't. I am still getting my head around the new salaries.

[Spurs9]

Trading for Evan turner or crabbe, Portland is expecting to try unload one of them, should spurs be interesting??

No No

[mudyez]

Keep everybody (just match Mills/Simmons öfters) but Lee/Dedmon (not that I don't like them, but it will be too extensive) and bring in Hanga and some cheap backup PG to fill in until TP is back. Thats all.

[Ice009]

Keep everybody (just match Mills/Simmons öfters) but Lee/Dedmon (not that I don't like them, but it will be too extensive) and bring in Hanga and some cheap backup PG to fill in until TP is back. Thats all.

I don't want Mills back. He's a waste of money. If it was a bargain type of contract, I'd consider it, but not for any of these numbers that I've been hearing since the Spurs were eliminated. Tying up that much money in a short combo guard that doesn't play good defense would screw the Spurs up royally at the latter end of that contract IMO. Simmons, I do want back, but not if some team offers him an insane amount. Hopefully, he gives the Spurs a slight discount and sticks around to keep up on his current rate of improvement.

I also don't think I want Chris Paul at all. He's too old, and unless he wants to take a pay-cut, then I have no interest paying him that type of money a couple of years from now. If he wants to join, he'll have to take a discount, otherwise, take a hike.

[dabom]

Yes Forbes gonna lock up James harden :lmao

[dabom]

Fathead starting. :lmao

[spurs10]

Our first concern will be for a guard position even if Manu stays and plays a few minutes a game. All season long the 1 and the 2 were a concern and it didn't get better when TP went out. Let's hope the adjustments we make in his absence are a blessing in disguise. LMA had a pretty good year and did well until Kawhi was taken out. Then the double teams came and he had a much harder time with not enough shooters. We might have survived TP being out, but without Kawhi we couldn't keep a 23 point lead.

[MaNu4Tres]

Trading for Evan turner or crabbe, Portland is expecting to try unload one of them, should spurs be interesting??

If Por attaches the 15th and 26th for Pau, ill gladly take on Crabbe.

[Atl Spur]

Forbes is a player, Murray is a player and when you have YOUNG players that show promise it would behoove us to be patient. Murray must start his time as the point guard playing next to our superstar player Leonard. Forbes on the other hand can be brought along a little slower but must make a big jump this year in confidence.

[Seventyniner]

I don't buy the "Chris Paul is too old to be worth it" argument. Paul isn't a top-10 GOAT candidate like Duncan, but 36-year-old Duncan was an all-league player. Paul should be first or second team All-NBA for at least the next two seasons and could very well be All-Star worthy (playing at that level, not necessarily making the team) for the next four.

[ECOV]

dedmon declined his player option

[Ron Swanson]

He'll probably sign with Detroit

[SAGirl]

Yes Forbes gonna lock up James harden :lmao
It's not so much Mills vs Forbes or anyone else, but the fact Forbes only costs 1 mill next season and Mills may cost between 12-17 mill per season for several seasons...

[SAGirl]

dedmon declined his player option
Thanks for letting us know. He's likely gone.

[raybies]

It's not so much Mills vs Forbes or anyone else, but the fact Forbes only costs 1 mill next season and Mills may cost between 12-17 mill per season for several seasons...

have we had any reports or is this your speculation? That is an obscene amount, my gosh...

[SAGirl]

have we had any reports or is this your speculation? That is an obscene amount, my gosh...
This was from Twitter, can't recall who at this point, but I posted it somewhere. I saw the same in bleacherreport and some espn guys speculated up to $20 mill. That may be an overinflated amount. There are several PG in the FA pool that are better and the cap explosion is not the same as last season... so these numbers could be inflated but it's really speculation. I do expect him to get a hefty payday. He needs to chase the money. He missed hi payday in 2014 and there's a chance this is his last opportunity for a big contract due to his age.

[raybies]

This was from Twitter, can't recall who at this point, but I posted it somewhere. I saw the same in bleacherreport and some espn guys speculated up to $20 mill. That may be an overinflated amount. There are several PG in the FA pool that are better and the cap explosion is not the same as last season... so these numbers could be inflated but it's really speculation. I do expect him to get a hefty payday. He needs to chase the money. He missed hi payday in 2014 and there's a chance this is his last opportunity for a big contract due to his age.
good grief. if he gets anywhere near that, pop better push him out the door like he did to Boban when he got Detroit's offer.

[MaNu4Tres]

This was from Twitter, can't recall who at this point, but I posted it somewhere. I saw the same in bleacherreport and some espn guys speculated up to $20 mill. That may be an overinflated amount. There are several PG in the FA pool that are better and the cap explosion is not the same as last season... so these numbers could be inflated but it's really speculation. I do expect him to get a hefty payday. He needs to chase the money. He missed hi payday in 2014 and there's a chance this is his last opportunity for a big contract due to his age.

Been saying every single bit of this for the past year.

[TimDunkem]

20 mill seems a little high but it's not that far off. This is why I laugh when anyone suggests making a run at Hill or Jrue. Those guys are going to cost over $20+ million easily.

[NASpurs]

:rollin

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/05/30/report-multiple-nba-teams-willing-to-give-mavericks-nerlens-noel-a-max-contract/amp/

Report: Multiple NBA teams willing to give Mavericks’ Nerlens Noel a max contract


...

On the other hand, the center market is saturated. Plus, teams – wary of Dallas matching – might not waste their time with an offer sheet, which carries a projected max of $109 million over four years ($27 million annually).


The Mavericks, whose projected max offer is $146 million over five years ($29 million annually), might be able to work the market to pay Noel less than his max.

But this report is an indication Dallas will have to pay the max to keep Noel.

[raybies]

:rollin

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/05/30/report-multiple-nba-teams-willing-to-give-mavericks-nerlens-noel-a-max-contract/amp/

Report: Multiple NBA teams willing to give Mavericks’ Nerlens Noel a max contract
good grief... what a nightmare. maybe philly made a smart move afterall

[SPURt]

:rollin

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/05/30/report-multiple-nba-teams-willing-to-give-mavericks-nerlens-noel-a-max-contract/amp/

Report: Multiple NBA teams willing to give Mavericks’ Nerlens Noel a max contract
I wish I was a 7 footer

[TheDoctor]

It's not so much Mills vs Forbes or anyone else, but the fact Forbes only costs 1 mill next season and Mills may cost between 12-17 mill per season for several seasons...

LMAO Damn, 17MM for Paddy Mills? Crazy ass team tbh :lol

[Jdspur20]

Per Marc Stein Detroit open to trades talks for there #12

[Jdspur20]

:rollin

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/05/30/report-multiple-nba-teams-willing-to-give-mavericks-nerlens-noel-a-max-contract/amp/

Report: Multiple NBA teams willing to give Mavericks’ Nerlens Noel a max contract

Unreal

[NASpurs]

869681534277529600

[TheDoctor]

869681534277529600

Our new Ferrari? :wow

[duncan2150]

:rollin

http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/05/30/report-multiple-nba-teams-willing-to-give-mavericks-nerlens-noel-a-max-contract/amp/

Report: Multiple NBA teams willing to give Mavericks’ Nerlens Noel a max contract

if i'm the Mavs i let him go

[tonight...you]

Our new Ferrari? :wow
Is he opting out of 16 milly to get less?

Sounds like a plan to me...

[tonight...you]

if i'm the Mavs i let him go
Mark Cuban bro...


MARK CUBAN

[NASpurs]

Is he opting out of 16 milly to get less?

Sounds like a plan to me...

While averaging his usual 55 games a season, what a bargain at over $20+ mil a year :wow

[tonight...you]

While averaging his usual 55 games a season, what a bargain at over $20+ mil a year :wow
True... hope this team doesn't even sniff his deodorant. No way.

Galinari yo way to some dupe-ass team willing to spend with no direction.

[TheDoctor]

Is he opting out of 16 milly to get less?

Sounds like a plan to me...

David West tbh.

https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/e7/64/e7644c75-6cba-4f4c-905a-36ec33a15155/theonering_web.gif

[tonight...you]

David West tbh.

https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/e7/64/e7644c75-6cba-4f4c-905a-36ec33a15155/theonering_web.gif
Lol... if that's what you think he's going for... then for the minimum, why not?

[TheDoctor]

:lol

[tonight...you]

:lol
You my bro, bro.

I still look out for the Black Plague because of you.

[ace3g]

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[tonight...you]

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#FTMWN?

[sasaint]

Is he opting out of 16 milly to get less?

Sounds like a plan to me...

If I am Gallo, I hope to get more, but with my injury history, I'd be happy with a paycheck in the same neighborhood for more years - or possibly some less if it were with a contendah.

[tonight...you]

If I am Gallo, I hope to get more, but with my injury history, I'd be happy with a paycheck in the same neighborhood for more years - or possibly some less if it were with a contendah.
That makes some sense... I can get behind that.

[TheDoctor]

869676227984052224

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Gotta be training w/ HoTS tbh. Is he coming back better than ever too?

[tonight...you]

Gotta be training w/ HoTS tbh. Is he coming back better than ever too?
:lol

[tholdren]

I wish I was a 7 footer

No one in the finals has a top tier center. No one in the conference finals had a top tier center. There are no top tier centers. Why pay for that crap

[Robz4000]

Okafor is 100% done, do not want.

[TimDunkem]

Why are some of you so shocked at the amount some of these guys are set to receive? You knew what was coming after some of those contracts last year. :lol

I'd be surprised if the Spurs sign any free agent of note this off-season. The numbers aren't there unless a few contracts are moved...Looks like the key to improving is through the draft at the moment.

[spurs10]

Why are some of you so shocked at the amount some of these guys are set to receive? You knew what was coming after some of those contracts last year. :lol

I'd be surprised if the Spurs sign any free agent of note this off-season. The numbers aren't there unless a few contracts are moved...Looks like the key to improving is through the draft at the moment. I think you're right. :toast

[SAGirl]

Dedmon as the 5th ranked center among available FA centers in this article by bleacherreport...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711846-free-agency-rankings-top-available-centers

[Dancelot]

869681534277529600
Warriors bound

[Dancelot]

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Also Warriors bound

[Dancelot]

dedmon declined his player option
Warriors bound also. :lol

[TheDoctor]

Also Warriors bound

Okafor is more of a CLE's bound :lol

[Dancelot]

Okafor is more of a CLE's bound :lol
:lol Yeah you're right

[Vic Petro]

Nick Kerr joining the Spurs. A little nepotism goes a long way.


I started today hoping to talk to Nick — who Steve Kerr confirmed will be moving to a video role with the San Antonio Spurs after this season — about going through all this with his father and about the coaching profession.

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/05/30/exclusive-interview-steve-kerr-on-his-health-whether-to-coach-in-the-nba-finals-mike-browns-role-and-his-son-nick/

[BillMc]

Nick Kerr joining the Spurs. A little nepotism goes a long way.



http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/05/30/exclusive-interview-steve-kerr-on-his-health-whether-to-coach-in-the-nba-finals-mike-browns-role-and-his-son-nick/

Clearly a spy. :lol

[Uriel]

This is my dream semi-realistic roster right now:

PG - Paul, Murray, Forbes
SG - Green, Ginobili, Hanga
SF - Leonard, Anderson
PF - Aldridge, Bertans, Lee
C - Splitter, Milutinov, 1st round pick

[AFMadison]

This is my dream semi-realistic roster right now:

PG - Paul, Murray, Forbes
SG - Green, Ginobili, Hanga
SF - Leonard, Anderson
PF - Aldridge, Bertans, Lee
C - Splitter, Milutinov, 1st round pick
Send Tony to NY, waive Pau, Trade LMA, sign CP3, sign Millsap, sign Paul George (2018), keep Simmons, sign Noel.

Paul, Murray, Forbes
Green, Simmons, Manu/Hanga
Kawhi, Anderson
Millsap, Bertans, Lee
Noel, Milutinov, 1st rounder

Talk about a LOL

[SpursBig3s]

869681534277529600


What are everyone's thoughts on him as a 4? I know he's injured a lot, but he is talented. Just curious...

[TheGreatYacht]

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Determined to return to the NBA? What the hell, when did he leave?

http://content.newsinc.com/jpg/376/31886814/49523505.jpg?t=1485164340
http://zaspany.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/31.jpg

[SPURt]

No one in the finals has a top tier center. No one in the conference finals had a top tier center. There are no top tier centers. Why pay for that crap
I said 7 footer not center, KD is a 7 footer

[Jdspur20]

This is my dream semi-realistic roster right now:

PG - Paul, Murray, Forbes
SG - Green, Ginobili, Hanga
SF - Leonard, Anderson
PF - Aldridge, Bertans, Lee
C - Splitter, Milutinov, 1st round pick

Who would you go with at the 1st rounder center pick?

[SpursFan86]

Nick Kerr

Interesting name choice :lol

[Ice009]

Interesting name choice :lol

lol, I just realized what you meant.

[look_at_g_shred]

CJ Miles isn't going to return Indiana. Dude would be solid off the bench. Especially if Mills bolts.

[pad300]

This is my dream semi-realistic roster right now:

PG - Paul, Murray, Forbes
SG - Green, Ginobili, Hanga
SF - Leonard, Anderson
PF - Aldridge, Bertans, Lee
C - Splitter, Milutinov, 1st round pick

Semi-real dream:

PG - Paul, Murray, Forbes
SG - Green, Tyreke Evans, Ginobili
SF - Leonard, Hanga
PF - Bertans, Anderson, Lee, #29 - Jonah Bolden
C - Gasol, Milutinov, #22 ( Jeanne or Anigbogu)

3 Way Trade:
To Charlotte: Lamarcus Aldridge
To Brooklyn: Marvin Williams, Marco Bellinelli, 11th Pick
To Spurs: 22nd Pick

S&T Simmons for Tyreke Evans

TP is waived and stretched, with a promise to try him out in 2018, with the MLE available

[cd98]

We all know how this ends...essentially the same team comes back except a few players who are replaced with lesser talented players.

[TheRemix]

This is my dream semi-realistic roster right now:

PG - Paul, Murray, Forbes
SG - Green, Ginobili, Hanga
SF - Leonard, Anderson
PF - Aldridge, Bertans, Lee
C - Splitter, Milutinov, 1st round pick

Damn, that's a juicy roster

[ace3g]

David Pick @IAmDPick

(https://twitter.com/IAmDPick) 4h (https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/870034858285965312)
Source: EA7 Milano and Miroslav Raduljica reach €250K settlement to terminate €900K deal in 2017-18 as the Serbian giant turns free agent.

[SAGirl]

We all know how this ends...essentially the same team comes back except a few players who are replaced with lesser talented players.
It would not surprise me. This past season was pretty unspectacular and still they ended up with 7 new players... They have 4 FA and that's where we could see some changes + the draft pick.

[MaNu4Tres]

CJ Miles isn't going to return Indiana. Dude would be solid off the bench. Especially if Mills bolts.

Too expensive for meh talent. Not the way to go.

[MaNu4Tres]

SA needs to figure out a wa to reel in number 26 from Portland or another pick in lare 1st/ early 2nd.Im a big believer in this draft from 20 to 40. If Spurs can net two rotation guys from this draft ...

Bell
Wilson
Adebayo

[apalisoc_9]

SA needs to figure out a wa to reel in number 26 from Portland or another pick in lare 1st/ early 2nd.Im a big believer in this draft from 20 to 40. If Spurs can net two rotation guys from this draft ...

Bell
Wilson
Adebayo

I don't even know how that's going to workout in practice assuming pau opts in amd not traded, lee opts in and They dont trade aldridge not to mention bertans presumed increased role.

They need to draft two wing and one big. I highly doubt they draft two bigs

[MaNu4Tres]

I don't even know how that's going to workout in practice assuming pau opts in amd not traded, lee opts in and They dont trade aldridge not to mention bertans presumed increased role.

They need to draft two wing and one big. I highly doubt they draft two bigs

Wilson is a hybrid modern day 4 with versatility to defend most positions. He could play the SF too.

Bell and Adebayo will be modern NBA 5s, with both having versatility to play the modern 4 if they keep working on their shot ( both had shots that impressed me in workouts ive seen). Gasol or Lee or both may not be back. However, they both will be gone for sure by next year and so will LA most likely. Being those 3 and Dedmon will likely be gone by 2018, they sure as hell can draft two bigs. Especially two versatile ones that can both defend 1-5 in switches.

The value in the late 1st, early 2nd is at those two positions, not the wing. They will be reaching if they draft a wing in the lare 1st -- as they could just wait get a wing with close to same skill level at 59. Im hoping they target Jabari Bird or Davon Reed with 59. Hanga will essentially be the rookie wing brought in with a role while 59th will be signed to a two way deal as the 16th or 17th man.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

TP is waived and stretched, with a promise to try him out in 2018, with the MLE available

Don't think it's possible to stretch a player and then re-sign him while still owing him money, although can't really find anything on this in the CBA. Guess it's so ridiculous they never bothered to put it into a clause :lol

[objective]

Don't think it's possible to stretch a player and then re-sign him while still owing him money, although can't really find anything on this in the CBA. Guess it's so ridiculous they never bothered to put it into a clause :lol

Pretty sure the rule is that the stretched player is eligible to be re-signed once the original contract length of time is over.

[NASpurs]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19509826/kevin-durant-willing-take-less-max-keep-golden-state-warriors-core-intact

Sources: Kevin Durant willing to take less than max to keep Warriors core intact

OAKLAND, Calif. -- Golden State Warriors (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/gs/golden-state-warriors) forward Kevin Durant (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3202/kevin-durant) is willing to take less than the maximum contract extension he is eligible for this summer as a 10-year veteran if it helps the Warriors keep the core of their team intact, league sources told ESPN.

Durant's gesture would allow the Warriors to keep their entire core together for years to come even as star point guard Stephen Curry (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3975/stephen-curry) potentially signs one of the first five-year, "supermax" contracts created by the new collective bargaining agreement in which a team can reward one designated veteran player per year with a contract starting at 35 percent of next year's projected $101 million salary cap.

This is particularly relevant to free agents Andre Iguodala (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2386/andre-iguodala) and Shaun Livingston (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2393/shaun-livingston), who have been pivotal to the Warriors' success as they have advanced to three straight NBA Finals.

In order to sign Durant to the maximum possible extension this offseason, starting at an estimated $35.4 million per year, the Warriors would have to renounce their rights to Iguodala and Livingston to create room under the salary cap. The most they can pay Durant in 2017-18 without creating cap space is 120 percent of his 2016-17 salary, a little less than $32 million.

Curry, long one of the league's most underpaid stars at about $11 million per year, could then sign a new contract starting at $35.4 million a season and be worth approximately $205 million over the next five years.

But because Durant is willing to take less than the maximum he is eligible for this season, according to league sources, the Warriors would not need to create room under the cap to re-sign him and thus would not need to renounce their rights to any of their other free agents.

By taking about $4 million less than his max next year and waiting to get his long-term extension for at least another season, Kevin Durant would give the Warriors a better chance at re-signing Andre Iguodala and Shaun Livingston, who will be free agents. Mark Sobhani/NBAE via Getty ImagesDurant could sign a so-called "non-Bird" extension for up to four years, but a more likely scenario would have him sign another two-year deal, with a player option on the second year (similar to what LeBron James (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1966/lebron-james) did in Cleveland for several years). Durant would then be eligible for another one-plus-one deal next year starting at an estimated $35.7 million and a five-year, supermax contract of approximately $217 starting in 2019-20.

By taking approximately $4 million less than his max next year and waiting to get his long-term extension for at least another season, Durant would allow the Warriors a chance to use their Bird rights to re-sign their own free agents (mostly notably Iguodala and Livingston) to deals far more comparable to what they'd likely see on the open market.

Iguodala is expected to receive interest from a number of teams such as Phoenix, Minnesota and Atlanta, league sources tell ESPN.

While sources stressed that Durant has not yet decided on how to structure his next contract, it is believed he's willing to take less than the maximum he's eligible for this summer in order to keep the Warriors core together and give them the best chance of contending for years to come.

Durant has said on multiple occasions that he intends to stay with the Warriors for many years, and he has put roots down in the Bay Area both personally and professionally. Durant and his business partner Rich Kleiman have set up their business, the Durant Company, in the Bay Area. He has forged partnerships with California-based companies such as YouTube, Acorns and Postmates. In a New York Times profile this spring, Durant revealed that he is in business with Silicon Valley "super angel" investor Ronald Conway and consulting with Laurene Powell Jobs, the widow of Apple founder Steve Jobs.

According to the Times story, Durant and Kleiman watched the election results at the home of Eddy Cue, Apple's senior vice president for internet software and services, along with Tim Cook, Apple chief executive, and Pharrell Williams.

For the past four years, Curry has been one of the best bargains in the NBA, despite winning back-to-back MVP awards in 2015 and 2016.

Curry's contract, which was signed at a time when concerns over his chronically sprained ankles cast doubt that he'd reach his enormous potential, has enabled the Warriors to surround him with a stronger supporting cast than other teams with multiple superstars.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Pretty sure the rule is that the stretched player is eligible to be re-signed once the original contract length of time is over.

I can't find this but perhaps you're right.

However, in this scenario in 2018/19 Parker would be owed $5 mil from being stretched and additionally the MLE from a brand new contract, thus appearing twice on the cap sheet? If this is possible by way of not being accounted for in the CBA, I certainly have not seen it in action.

Say, Joel Embiid enters the league and is injured for the first 2 years. He's waived and stretched by september after year 1 and then re-signed as a FA for the max by year 3? This is definitely against the spirit of the rule, if not against the letter of the CBA.

[objective]

I think this is the relevant passage, though i guess some interpretations might perceive it to mean the stretch years

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/2017-nba-collective-bargaining-agreement-deal-points/


5. Stretch

A team that elects to stretch a player’s salary for Salary Cap purposes will be not be allowed to re-sign or re-acquire the player prior to the July 1 following the last season of the player’s contract.

6. Signing Restriction

If a team and player agree on a buyout of the player’s contract to reduce the amount of protected compensation in connection with the team requesting waivers on the player, the team will not subsequently be permitted to sign the player to a new contract (or claim the player off of waivers) before the later of one year following the contract termination or the July 1 following the last season of the player’s contract.

[Play Boban]

:wow Georgios Printezis :wow

[Play Boban]

Dedmon as the 5th ranked center among available FA centers in this article by bleacherreport...
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2711846-free-agency-rankings-top-available-centers
:lol

[Jdspur20]

Would PATFO really wait until feb for Parker then insert him into the rotation? That just sounds like a nightmare.

[look_at_g_shred]

Seeing that LA is puttting Clarkson on the trading block

[duncan2150]

Seeing that LA is puttting Clarkson on the trading block

Could be a nice addition, we need guards who can score imo plus he's a san antonio guy but i think the price will be high and we don't have much to give.

[NASpurs]

Just piggy backing the last two posts, I wonder what the Lakers want, picks? Would they want the expiring contract of a slightly used Gasol so they can go after George. I don't know their cap situation. Clarkson for Gasol works straight up on the trade machine.

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[spursistan]

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Portland has picks 15, 20 and 26 in the 2017 NBA draft and could package one or a combination of the three in a trade.

[duncan2150]

Just piggy backing the last two posts, I wonder what the Lakers want, picks? Would they want the expiring contract of a slightly used Gasol so they can go after George. I don't know their cap situation. Clarkson for Gasol works straight up on the trade machine.

870287990932869120

With his contract maybe they just want salary dump ( we don't have something to give i think except some rights) , will be a good option for the spurs.

[cd021]

Just piggy backing the last two posts, I wonder what the Lakers want, picks? Would they want the expiring contract of a slightly used Gasol so they can go after George. I don't know their cap situation. Clarkson for Gasol works straight up on the trade machine.

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I would prefer to keep LMA and move him to center and move Gasol but someone mentioned the idea of Aldridge for Clarkson and a #28th pick in another thread.

Would save the Spurs about $10 million dollars (not including the cost of the player selected) and L.A would be able to try out Aldridge without tying up their long term salary (they'd actually clear future cap by moving Clarkson)

[MaNu4Tres]

870344596013711360

I just mentioned this two days ago.

[MaNu4Tres]

If Por attaches the 15th and 26th for Pau, ill gladly take on Crabbe.

Yeah. Hopefully SA really explores this.

[apalisoc_9]

Yeah. Hopefully SA really explores this.

tbh, four years of 18 Million dollars for a player like Crabe taste like Bad fish...

[CGD]

Yeah. Hopefully SA really explores this.

Agree, though I think I'd rather have Harkless who is 9 Mill cheaper.

[MaNu4Tres]

tbh, four years of 18 Million dollars for a player like Crabe taste like Bad fish...

Its 3 yrs, not 4. And SA will have plenty of space after 18 to absorb it. Cap space isnt as valuable as it once was with new CBA anyway. Worse case, waive & stretch. Worth the price for 3 quality rookies right now. This draft has great value in late 1st/ early 2nd

[cd021]

He'll probably sign with Detroit

I get the joke; Baynes and Boban signed there but they aren't gonna sign him because they can't.

[MaNu4Tres]

Its 3 yrs, not 4. And SA will have plenty of space after 18 to absorb it. Cap space isnt as valuable as it once was with new CBA anyway. Worse case, waive & stretch. Worth the price for 3 quality rookies right now. This draft has great value in late 1st/ early 2nd

Also, I wouldnt like this proposal if this was any other draft in the late 1st. Ive actually done a lot of research, and Im in love with a handful of players that should be available.

[raybies]

Its 3 yrs, not 4. And SA will have plenty of space after 18 to absorb it. Cap space isnt as valuable as it once was with new CBA anyway. Worse case, waive & stretch. Worth the price for 3 quality rookies right now. This draft has great value in late 1st/ early 2nd
I'd do that.

[cjw]

Its 3 yrs, not 4. And SA will have plenty of space after 18 to absorb it. Cap space isnt as valuable as it once was with new CBA anyway. Worse case, waive & stretch. Worth the price for 3 quality rookies right now. This draft has great value in late 1st/ early 2nd

They're not doing it for all three. But for two I'd definitely consider. Crabbe has more value than Pau next year and it's a bit more of a wash. Then only two years after that.

[raybies]

Jarrett Allen at 15 would be dope. He'd be the center version of Murray. High upside with elite tools.

[cd021]

Yeah. Hopefully SA really explores this.

I'd take Evan Turner back for the 15th and 26th pick but it would hamper our ability to keep Simmons. We will need to have cap space in order to resign him when Brooklyn inevitably offers him a Tyler Johnson type deal.

Even if you swap LMA in for Gasol and renounce Mills the Spurs would still be over the cap and that's not even including the ~3.5 million dollars from the additional picks. Spurs would have to either move both Gasol and LMA or be willing to part with Simmons and Gasol for that to work.

15th
26th
29th
59th
pretty tempting tbh.

[raybies]

I'd take Evan Turner back for the 15th and 26th pick but it would hamper our ability to keep Simmons. We will need to have cap space in order to resign him when Brooklyn inevitably offers him a Tyler Johnson type deal.

Even if you swap LMA in for Gasol and renounce Mills the Spurs would still be over the cap and that's not even including the ~3.5 million dollars from the additional picks. Spurs would have to either move both Gasol and LMA or be willing to part with Simmons and Gasol for that to work.

15th
26th
29th
59th
pretty tempting tbh.
PoP would probably go nuts but the only moves that would net those picks would have to be Gasol for Crabbe or Turner. I'd prefer Turner but man is that Crabbe contract an albatross if i've seen one

and Pau would have to opt in or no deal. and i doubt Portland wants to trade with us.

[TD 21]

- Of course Durant is willing to take less. I'm sure media will spin this and make him seem a hero, but he almost has to. Even though they recruited him, it was one thing to cost them the pieces he did a year ago, but a core piece like Iguodala and to a lesser extent Livingston (fell off and have McCaw waiting in wings, but still)? They wouldn't say it publicly, but that's the kind of thing that could cause resentment.

- Clarkson only ends up a Spur, as part of an Aldridge trade and that only happens if he tells them he wants to be traded, which is unlikely. He could make sense as Simmons replacement (though Simmons is far better defensively), but not in addition to him and Murray.

- Would take Crabbe and 15 for Gasol and Trail Blazers had interest last off season, but likely wouldn't with Nurkic now and seem focused on straight salary dump (Nets and Knicks have room for this). Doubt they would with Harkless though, who improved his 3 and is affordable.

- Don't see Spurs renouncing or moving significant piece to retain Simmons. If and when he gets so called poison pill offer, he's gone.

[coachmac87]

Also, I wouldnt like this proposal if this was any other draft in the late 1st. Ive actually done a lot of research, and Im in love with a handful of players that should be available.

If you can only have ONE player in the draft at #29 who you got?

[MaNu4Tres]

- Of course Durant is willing to take less. I'm sure media will spin this and make him seem a hero, but he almost has to. Even though they recruited him, it was one thing to cost them the pieces he did a year ago, but a core piece like Iguodala and to a lesser extent Livingston (fell off and have McCaw waiting in wings, but still)? They wouldn't say it publicly, but that's the kind of thing that could cause resentment.

- Clarkson only ends up a Spur, as part of an Aldridge trade and that only happens if he tells them he wants to be traded, which is unlikely. He could make sense as Simmons replacement (though Simmons is far better defensively), but not in addition to him and Murray.

- Would take Crabbe and 15 for Gasol and Trail Blazers had interest last off season, but likely wouldn't with Nurkic now and seem focused on straight salary dump (Nets and Knicks have room for this). Doubt they would with Harkless though, who improved his 3 and is affordable.

- Don't see Spurs renouncing or moving significant piece to retain Simmons. If and when he gets so called poison pill offer, he's gone.

Nurkics deal wouldnt kick in til 18/19. So a trade for Gasol would essentially accomplish the same thing

[MaNu4Tres]

If you can only have ONE player in the draft at #29 who you got?

Bell. Not only do I love his strengths and ability, but I love his attitude & character a lot. Kid loves the game and wants it.

[TimDunkem]

Bell, Wilson, Thornwell, Swanigan are players that will likely be available at 29. I wouldn't mind any of them. All of them have the potential to be good players.

[TD 21]

Nurkics deal wouldnt kick in til 18/19. So a trade for Gasol would essentially accomplish the same thing

I don't mean financially, I mean need. Without that, there's no incentive to take Gasol, when Nets and Knicks could absorb whichever salary dump into cap space.



Bell. Not only do I love his strengths and ability, but I love his attitude & character a lot. Kid loves the game and wants it.

Reminds me of Tristan Thompson. High floor and prototypical role playing modern big; don't know why he's not ranked higher. Would be a good pick at 29 and though he doesn't project as starter, nice compliment to Aldridge (could change, but think he probably re-signs in '18), with a five's game, in a four's body. Could cross match on defense as latter ages into guarding centers.

[tbdog]

I really want the Spurs to get Clarkson and Willie Reed. They fit our side now and for the future.

[MaNu4Tres]

I don't mean financially, I mean need. Without that, there's no incentive to take Gasol, when Nets and Knicks could absorb whichever salary dump into cap space.




Reminds me of Tristan Thompson. High floor and prototypical role playing modern big; don't know why he's not ranked higher. Would be a good pick at 29 and though he doesn't project as starter, nice compliment to Aldridge (could change, but think he probably re-signs in '18), with a five's game, in a four's body. Could cross match on defense as latter ages into guarding centers.

Gasol would provide a veteran presence off the bench and its just for one year. Gasol is a better way to fill the salary than not filling the salary at all. And even if thats not the case, SA can straight dump him somewhere before taking on Crabbe, if POR doesnt value Pau for one year ( which I dont buy).

[SpursBig3s]

http://spurs.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Jose-Calderon-has-interest-in-the-San-Antonio-Spurs-52980460

Gross...

Sorry, on phone and messed up the link embed. Jose Calderon interested in spurs

[TD 21]

Gasol would provide a veteran presence off the bench and its just for one year. Gasol is a better way to fill the salary than not filling the salary at all. And even if thats not the case, SA can straight dump him somewhere before taking on Crabbe, if POR doesnt value Pau for one year ( which I dont buy).

Straight salary dump would allow them to duck tax, which probably supersedes any residual Gasol interest.

Spurs could go latter route, but all things being equal between them, Nets and Knicks, Trail Blazers would more than likely prefer to trade with East team, rather than West one that's already better.

[Joseph Kony]

http://spurs.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Jose-Calderon-has-interest-in-the-San-Antonio-Spurs-52980460

Gross...

Sorry, on phone and messed up the link embed. Jose Calderon interested in spurs

:vomit: please no

[MaNu4Tres]

Straight salary dump would allow them to duck tax, which probably supersedes any residual Gasol interest.

Spurs could go latter route, but all things being equal between them, Nets and Knicks, Trail Blazers would more than likely prefer to trade with East team, rather than West one that's already better.

Sure, but I think options will be limited for Crabbe/ Evans dump.

[TD 21]

Calderon, I can almost guarantee is signed for minimum if following occurs: Mills re-signs, Ginobili retires, neither Warriors or Cavaliers are interested. He's Spurs material and despite significant decline, would be nice fit as mostly third point guard. Can run an offense and play off ball as well, which is important with Murray, Anderson and if re-signed, Simmons . . . would have no place when Parker returns though.


Sure, but I think options will be limited for Crabbe/ Evans dump.

Just need one option though and supposedly already have two.



Crabbe has a 15% trade kicker, which means that Pau alone won't be enough to get the deal done. Good analysis here:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.blazersedge.com/platform/amp/2017/6/1/15702134/how-allen-crabbes-trade-bonus-kicker-affects-the-portland-trail-blazers

Throw in Forbes and it does.

[CGD]

Sure, but I think options will be limited for Crabbe/ Evans dump.

Crabbe has a 15% trade kicker, which means that Pau alone won't be enough to get the deal done. Good analysis here:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.blazersedge.com/platform/amp/2017/6/1/15702134/how-allen-crabbes-trade-bonus-kicker-affects-the-portland-trail-blazers

[MaNu4Tres]

Calderon, I can almost guarantee is signed for minimum if following occurs: Mills re-signs, Ginobili retires, neither Warriors or Cavaliers are interested. He's Spurs material and despite significant decline, would be nice fit as mostly third point guard. Can run an offense and play off ball as well, which is important with Murray, Anderson and if re-signed, Simmons . . . would have no place when Parker returns though.



Just need one option though and supposedly already have two.




Throw in Forbes and it does.

Patty is gone bro.

Murray will start
Calderon/ Forbes will back him up til TP gets back.

Why would SA carry 5 PGs on roster?

Patty is gone though.

[NASpurs]

870388159309242368

[CGD]

I'd offer POR Pau's 16.2M contract for Harkless, Fetus's 7.7M contract and the 20th pick.

They'd shed 9.6M this year and there future payments to Harkless.

[jermaine]

http://spurs.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Jose-Calderon-has-interest-in-the-San-Antonio-Spurs-52980460

Gross...

Sorry, on phone and messed up the link embed. Jose Calderon interested in spurs

Not a bad option tbh.... if it means keeping Simmons, an Mills...trade Paul for a back up sf an a serviceable big.

[I. Hustle]

870388159309242368

I remember when Tolliver was part of our youth movement LOL

[MaNu4Tres]

I'd offer POR Pau's 16.2M contract for Harkless, Fetus's 7.7M contract and the 20th pick.

They'd shed 9.6M this year and there future payments to Harkless.

Id be all over that too. Fwiw

However, Harkless is actually on a good deal. I see POR dangling those picks for only Evans/ Crabbe.

[raybies]

I just really doubt Portland would want to make us better.

[TD 21]

Patty is gone bro.

Murray will start
Calderon/ Forbes will back him up til TP gets back.

Why would SA carry 5 PGs on roster?

Patty is gone though.

Think 76ers or other will have to offer significantly more than Spurs to pry Mills loose and if/when, expect Spurs to pursue Teodosic or Williams to pair with Murray. Murray and Calderon is not good enough to maintain current level and Forbes is a SG.

They'd carry 4 PG's in scenario I outlined and so long as two can guard SG's, that might happen given dearth of quality wing options.

[MaNu4Tres]

I just really doubt Portland would want to make us better.

Lol theres two sides of it. Spurs would be helping them too. Its not like its a one sided win. Its an interesting idea. 95% chance it doesnt happen.

[MaNu4Tres]

If Forbes is an SG, so is Patty.

Pop is molding him into a combo like he did Neal and Patty. So yes, he can play it like them too imo.

[TD 21]

If Forbes is an SG, so is Patty.

Pop is molding him into a combo like he did Neal and Patty. So yes, he can play it like them two imo.

The difference is, Forbes is an SG defensively too. They'll try to mold him into a combo, but he'll always be primarily a SG.

If you really think they're going with Murray and a fringe rotation PG, you're going to be disappointed.

Keep in mind, there's a good chance Ginobili retires and Simmons gets a poison pill offer. The back court isn't going to be comprised of broken Parker, Green, unproven youngsters and veteran filler. There will be another top 3 guard.

[MaNu4Tres]

The difference is, Forbes is an SG defensively too. They'll try to mold him into a combo, but he'll always be primarily a SG.

If you really think they're going with Murray and a fringe rotation PG, you're going to be disappointed.

Keep in mind, there's a good chance Ginobili retires and Simmons gets a poison pill offer. The back court isn't going to be comprised of broken Parker, Green, unproven youngsters and veteran filler. There will be another top 3 guard.

Simmons will be the one who get broughts back, not Patty, if all else stays same before FA. Unless Simmons gets 15-18 mil per offer. I think SA matches anything btw 9-13 mil per over paying Patty 11-17 mil per.

So youd see

Murray
Green
Kawhi

Vet PG/ Forbes or Simmons/ TP
Hanga/ Forbes
Simmons/ Anderson

Theyll be fine with that. Imo. Maybe better than last yr depending on Murray/ Simmons/ Forbes growth over summer.

[TD 21]

Simmons will be the one who get broughts back, not Patty, if all else stays same before FA. Unless Simmons gets 15-18 mil per offer. I think SA matches anything btw 9-13 mil per over paying Patty 11-17 mil per.

So youd see

Murray
Green
Kawhi

Vet PG/ Forbes or Simmons/ TP
Hanga/ Forbes
Simmons/ Anderson

Theyll be fine with that. Imo. Maybe better than last yr depending on Murray/ Simmons/ Forbes growth over summer.

Simmons is gone if he gets a poison pill offer.

So they'd leave a gaping hole in the back court, when they can either utilize Mills' Bird rights or the MLE to fill it, why?

Murray can and will still get plenty of opportunity, if Mills is re-signed or replaced by Teodosic or Williams. What won't happen, is him being forced to take on too much, too soon, which would happen if paired with a fringe rotation type.

I have a sneaking suspicion that this is going to end up like the Mahinmi debate in the '10 off season.

[sasaint]

I just really doubt Portland would want to make us better.

Unless they feel beholden to us for taking LMA off their hands. :lol

[Darius Bieber]

Be very wary of washed-up Free Agents or their agents declaring interest from the Spurs. Most likely a gimmick to up their almost non-existent value.

[SAGirl]

Patty is gone bro.

Murray will start
Calderon/ Forbes will back him up til TP gets back.

Why would SA carry 5 PGs on roster?

Patty is gone though.

Pop though:
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[RD2191]

Pop though:
863828364284485632

Gawd. Why?!?!

[MaNu4Tres]

Pop though:
863828364284485632

That doesnt mean a damn thing. It was kind of tongue in cheek which is Pops thing at times. Let time tell it.

I think RC is brighter than to pay Patty.

[ace3g]

870347513701687296

[MaNu4Tres]

Pop though:
863828364284485632

Go back and listen to Pops end of season presser. At 5:30 mark, they ask specifically about Patty and the answer is actually serious, not tongue in cheek.

[apalisoc_9]

Go back and listen to Pops end of season presser. At 5:30 mark, they ask specifically about Patty and the answer is actually serious, not tongue in cheek.

What did he say?

[MaNu4Tres]

Go listen to it.

[Seventyniner]

They're not doing it for all three. But for two I'd definitely consider. Crabbe has more value than Pau next year and it's a bit more of a wash. Then only two years after that.

I think the third player here is the Spurs' own pick (#29), so you're actually in agreement here.

[TD 21]

What's better insight into their intention, the comments about Mills or this generic response: "Well, we don't have time to go through the decision making process now, 'cuz that's pretty complicated and depends on a lot of factors."? :lmao

[SAGirl]

I have a sneaking suspicion that this is going to end up like the Mahinmi debate in the '10 off season.

I am curious TD 21... how did that end? and what was the debate?
(that b4 my time following the Spurs... ty)

[SAGirl]

Go back and listen to Pops end of season presser. At 5:30 mark, they ask specifically about Patty and the answer is actually serious, not tongue in cheek.

ok I will look it up.
(I saw it back when he gave it but frankly I don't remember it)

[Play Boban]

What did he say?


Go listen to it.
:cry

[DPG21920]

IMO, I'm not taking on that POR salary for picks outside of the lottery. While there is some talent in this draft and I am not some great evaluator, from what I have read outside of the lottery this is truly not some special draft on paper.

No freaking way I bail out POR and their awful deals for picks in the 20s

[TD 21]

I am curious TD 21... how did that end? and what was the debate?
(that b4 my time following the Spurs... ty)

He was steadfast that he'd be re-signed and I was steadfast that he wouldn't be . . . it ended with Mahinmi signing with the Mavericks.

[SAGirl]

He was steadfast that he'd be re-signed and I was steadfast that he wouldn't be . . . it ended with Mahinmi signing with the Mavericks.

Thanks for answering.

This is one offseason that I truly have changed my own mind several times.

[Ice009]

Go listen to it.

What did he say? I don't have time to go searching for it. Just summarize what he said in one sentence.

[cd021]

PoP would probably go nuts but the only moves that would net those picks would have to be Gasol for Crabbe or Turner. I'd prefer Turner but man is that Crabbe contract an albatross if i've seen one

and Pau would have to opt in or no deal. and i doubt Portland wants to trade with us.

I think Pau's opt in date is 6.30.17
Crabbe's contract is horrid, Turner's is slightly less horrible but those picks are great rewards. Would be even better if it was the 15th and 20th but 15 and 26 is fine.

Bigger issue involves Simmons, doing this trade makes it much easier for him to get poached

[cd98]

It's official. Only Kawhi can stop GSW.

[Tyrone Jenkins]

Didn't read the whole thread but has there been any discussion of Jeff Teague?

[SAGirl]

Didn't read the whole thread but has there been any discussion of Jeff Teague?
Nobody brought him up other than in passing. There are better PG in the market...

[keithington1]

Klaw

[rasuo214]

IMO, I'm not taking on that POR salary for picks outside of the lottery. While there is some talent in this draft and I am not some great evaluator, from what I have read outside of the lottery this is truly not some special draft on paper.

No freaking way I bail out POR and their awful deals for picks in the 20s

It depends on the trade but I do think draft picks are undervalued because of how cheap they are (less than the NBA minimum) plus the potential there. With the Spurs constantly picking late in the draft they need to find more creative ways to improve the team. The more picks (opportunities) the more likely they find a key piece for the team.


Now unless you think the Spurs are going to get a big name FA in the next 2 off-seasons trading for Crabbe isn't that bad (again depends on the deal). By year 3 he either opts out or it's an expiring, which can become a useful trade piece.


As for finding talent in the 20-30s range, looking at some of the recent drafts.

2011: Faried (22), Jackson (24), Butler (30), Bogdanovic (31), Parsons (38) - 15th pick Kawhi
2012: Fournier (20), Ezeli (30), Crowder (34), Draymond (35), Middleton (39)
2013: Dieng (21), Mason Plumlee (22), Hardaway Jr. (24), Gobert (27), Crabbe (31) - 15th pick Giannis
2014: Hood (23), Capela (25), Jokic* (41)

2015-16 too soon to tell.

[spursistan]

It's official. Only Kawhi can stop GSW.

[DPG21920]

It depends on the trade but I do think draft picks are undervalued because of how cheap they are (less than the NBA minimum) plus the potential there. With the Spurs constantly picking late in the draft they need to find more creative ways to improve the team. The more picks (opportunities) the more likely they find a key piece for the team.


Now unless you think the Spurs are going to get a big name FA in the next 2 off-seasons trading for Crabbe isn't that bad (again depends on the deal). By year 3 he either opts out or it's an expiring, which can become a useful trade piece.


As for finding talent in the 20-30s range, looking at some of the recent drafts.

2011: Faried (22), Jackson (24), Butler (30), Bogdanovic (31), Parsons (38) - 15th pick Kawhi
2012: Fournier (20), Ezeli (30), Crowder (34), Draymond (35), Middleton (39)
2013: Dieng (21), Mason Plumlee (22), Hardaway Jr. (24), Gobert (27), Crabbe (31) - 15th pick Giannis
2014: Hood (23), Capela (25), Jokic* (41)

2015-16 too soon to tell.

Still not worth taking on what is guaranteed to be a bad contract and the flexibility SA is about to have. There are clearly established values and no non-lottery pick is worth eating 30M for when you can typically just buy a pick for 3-5M

[MaNu4Tres]

Thanks for answering.

This is one offseason that I truly have changed my own mind several times.

If only we kept talley on everything weve debated about. But no, im not going to point to one debate he was wrong about 7 to 10 yrs ago.. :lol

Ive called out more things than he has the past 10 yrs, and the ones who have been here can attest to that.

[objective]

Spurs SHOULD have kept Ian, how Pop handled him was a disaster and a waste of a cheap asset.

[cd021]

It depends on the trade but I do think draft picks are undervalued because of how cheap they are (less than the NBA minimum) plus the potential there. With the Spurs constantly picking late in the draft they need to find more creative ways to improve the team. The more picks (opportunities) the more likely they find a key piece for the team.

Now unless you think the Spurs are going to get a big name FA in the next 2 off-seasons trading for Crabbe isn't that bad (again depends on the deal). By year 3 he either opts out or it's an expiring, which can become a useful trade piece.


As for finding talent in the 20-30s range, looking at some of the recent drafts.

2011: Faried (22), Jackson (24), Butler (30), Bogdanovic (31), Parsons (38) - 15th pick Kawhi
2012: Fournier (20), Ezeli (30), Crowder (34), Draymond (35), Middleton (39)
2013: Dieng (21), Mason Plumlee (22), Hardaway Jr. (24), Gobert (27), Crabbe (31) - 15th pick Giannis
2014: Hood (23), Capela (25), Jokic* (41)

2015-16 too soon to tell.

Crabbe probably isn't going to opt out of that deal (I think it's an ETA) in a couple of years but you're right, there really isn't anyone in 2018 necessarily worth preserving cap.

When Kawhi is eligible of super max that is probably when paying Crabbe $18.5 million is gonna hurt unless they stretch him (almost certainly wouldn't happen until the final year of his deal when it would only cost $6.1 million a year for 3 years and the spurs would save $12 million plus in 2019.

adding the 15th, and the 26th pick to the 29th pick and Murray, Anderson, Bertans, and Milutinov is a great way to reshape the roster. while still competing for a title.

[SAGirl]

If only we kept talley on everything weve debated about. But no, im not going to point to one debate he was wrong about 7 to 10 yrs ago.. :lol

Ive called out more things than he has the past 10 yrs, and the ones who have been here can attest to that.
Heh I was just curious what he meant.

Personally I'd rather Mills not be re-upped at what could be a massive overpay... but Pop loves him. He's frankly the best shooter in the team until Bertans hopefully gets more minutes and hopefully shots .... Danny has declined in his shooting and Forbes didn't shoot well his rookie season and is still a question mark.

I would prefer they sign a better PG if they are going to pay or overpay someone I'd rather he be more well rounded a d a better talent. But I get the feeling Pop loves him and the Spurs likely keep the merry crew back or bring as many of the guys back as they can afford to.

[MaNu4Tres]

Crabbe probably isn't going to opt out of that deal (I think it's an ETA) in a couple of years but you're right, there really isn't anyone in 2018 necessarily worth preserving cap.

When Kawhi is eligible of super max that is probably when paying Crabbe $18.5 million is gonna hurt unless they stretch him (almost certainly wouldn't happen until the final year of his deal when it would only cost $6.1 million a year for 3 years and the spurs would save $12 million plus in 2019.

adding the 15th, and the 26th pick to the 29th pick and Murray, Anderson, Bertans, and Milutinov is a great way to reshape the roster. while still competing for a title.

Ding ding ding.

[MaNu4Tres]

Spurs SHOULD have kept Ian, how Pop handled him was a disaster and a waste of a cheap asset.

Yup.

[rasuo214]

Still not worth taking on what is guaranteed to be a bad contract and the flexibility SA is about to have. There are clearly established values and no non-lottery pick is worth eating 30M for when you can typically just buy a pick for 3-5M

If the Spurs can acquire 2 picks in the 20s of this draft for 10 million then great but if not this isn't a bad option to infuse more youth/talent into this team. I just don't see the value in free agency during this period (upcoming 2 off-seasons) and think the draft is the most efficient route for improving the team (worst case you get stuck with a bust on a sub vet minimum deal).

Even though Crabbe's deal is awful he is a good 3pt shooter, something this team is lacking.

[Play Boban]

:wow Evan Fournier :wow

[DPG21920]

If the Spurs can acquire 2 picks in the 20s of this draft for 10 million then great but if not this isn't a bad option to infuse more youth/talent into this team. I just don't see the value in free agency during this period (upcoming 2 off-seasons) and think the draft is the most efficient route for improving the team (worst case you get stuck with a bust on a sub vet minimum deal).

Even though Crabbe's deal is awful he is a good 3pt shooter, something this team is lacking.

This type of deal means you are basically staking everything on the core being obtained with draft picks in the 20s to late 20's.

Because Crabbes deal will definitley kill your chances of adding a legit star next to Kawhi. Unless you are willing to just eat money over and over and over which is never a receipe for success.

The flexibility to lure a FA is much more valuable to me than 2 additional picks in the 20s. Higher floor and ceiling.

[MaNu4Tres]

This type of deal means you are basically staking everything on the core being obtained with draft picks in the 20s to late 20's.

Because Crabbes deal will definitley kill your chances of adding a legit star next to Kawhi. Unless you are willing to just eat money over and over and over which is never a receipe for success.
The flexibility to lure a FA is much more valuable to me than 2 additional picks in the 20s. Higher floor and ceiling.

Space isnt as valuable as it once was with new CBA. The great players are incentivized to stay put and the great younger FAs are restricted. FA is a place now where you spend top dollar on average talent. Even with Crabbe though, SA will still have significant space in 18'( TP off books, LA opt out). Even if Green opts in with Crabbe scenario, SA will have over 40 mil in space -- having only 60 million counted towards the cap. Spurs will still have your flexibility.

Plus, outside of 33 yr old CP3 -- who is likely staying in LA, Hayward and Paul George who likely is going to LA, theres no free agents worth max money the next two free agency periods. Hell no to Boogie btw.

[rasuo214]

This type of deal means you are basically staking everything on the core being obtained with draft picks in the 20s to late 20's.

Because Crabbes deal will definitley kill your chances of adding a legit star next to Kawhi. Unless you are willing to just eat money over and over and over which is never a receipe for success.

The flexibility to lure a FA is much more valuable to me than 2 additional picks in the 20s. Higher floor and ceiling.

Chances to add which legit star? The Spurs would have to gut the team for the chance of offering anyone the max this off-season (CP3 pipe dream?) and it has already been mentioned that the 2018 FA class isn't that special (anyone other than Cousins?). This would also assume the Spurs don't sign either Mills or Simmons and/or don't add on any multi-year deals.

Also lets not act like FA has been favorable for the Spurs, this team became great through smart drafting and development and that is the correct route for the future as well. Another major factor is that Pop is only getting older which is something FAs will factor in when deciding whether to sign here or not.

[objective]

Blazers probably don't need to take back salary from San Antonio to dump Crabbe. They can dump him or Turner on Sacramento, Brooklyn or the Knicks among other teams.

Why bother taking back Pau when you can dump with picks for free?

[MaNu4Tres]

Blazers probably don't need to take back salary from San Antonio to dump Crabbe. They can dump him or Turner on Sacramento, Brooklyn or the Knicks among other teams.

Why bother taking back Pau when you can dump with picks for free?

Spurs can dump Pau before or do a three team trade w/ Pau being dumped to a team that values him if POR does not value him. However, I think POR wld value Pau for one year. No real financial risk, veteran presence, bench value for a year while they maintain flexibility to re sign Nurkic.

Getting Pau to fill that salary for one year, is better than not having anything at all. Also, the trade would happen a week before Pau makes a decision on opting in. Theres a chance Pau opts out if he doesnt want to go to POR and POR clears the space this summer. If he stays opted in, POR still will maintain the flexibility for summer of 18 ti re sign Nurkic -- which was the number one objective to do the trade anyway.