Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[objective]

Taking Pau back takes them into the tax. They're going to be a repeater team in the future.

Better to start that period of penalties a year later

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Getting Pau to fill that salary for one year, is better than not having anything at all.

Why? They're already deep in luxury tax territory with $133 mil guaranteed, thus their desire to dump contracts by attaching nice picks to them. They don't want any salary back.


Also, the trade would happen a week before Pau makes a decision on opting in. Theres a chance Pau opts out if he doesnt want to go to POR and POR clears the space this summer. If he stays opted in, POR still will maintain the flexibility for summer of 18 ti re sign Nurkic -- which was the number one objective to do the trade anyway.

Spurs can't trade Pau until he opts in.

[Vic Petro]

The New York Knicks (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/ny/new-york-knicks)' front office has spoken to the Trail Blazers (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/por/portland-trail-blazers) in recent days about a trade for one of Portland's three first-round picks, sources confirmed to ESPN on Thursday.


Talks between New York and Portland are believed to be in the early stages, but at least one scenario discussed involved an additional player from Portland being sent in a trade, according to sources. Portland's Moe Harkless is one player who was discussed in a possible trade scenario, sources told ESPN.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19513139/new-york-knicks-discuss-trade-portland-trail-blazers-first-round-pick

[MaNu4Tres]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19513139/new-york-knicks-discuss-trade-portland-trail-blazers-first-round-pick

Good for the Knicks if true. Its a great deal for them.

Prob Harkless and Festus.

Olshey really messed up giving Evans that deal and matching Crabbes.

[cd021]

Good for the Knicks if true. Its a great deal for them.

Prob Harkless and Festus.

Olshey really messed up giving Evans that deal and matching Crabbes.

I thought Festus had a non guarantee on the second year . They could just cut him.

[MaNu4Tres]

I thought Festus had a non guarantee on the second year . They could just cut him.

He does. My mistake. Prob Ed Davis or Leonard.

[MaNu4Tres]

On the table to trade into late 1st, early 2nd.

Kyle Anderson
Rights to Milutinov
2018 1st rounder ( for late 1st)

[DPG21920]

Chances to add which legit star? The Spurs would have to gut the team for the chance of offering anyone the max this off-season (CP3 pipe dream?) and it has already been mentioned that the 2018 FA class isn't that special (anyone other than Cousins?). This would also assume the Spurs don't sign either Mills or Simmons and/or don't add on any multi-year deals.

Also lets not act like FA has been favorable for the Spurs, this team became great through smart drafting and development and that is the correct route for the future as well. Another major factor is that Pop is only getting older which is something FAs will factor in when deciding whether to sign here or not.

It's not just about landing FA or stars, but getting to choose which players fit your style. You can also absorb salaries or trade for guys without sending things back which nets you picks or stars that force their way out (Butler, PG, types).

The flexibility, not just looking at who is a FA next year, is the key. For many reasons.

FA has been great for SA. They never had to or really tried that hard to pursue stars other than some one off times. They kept Duncan, Parker, Gino landed plenty of good vets, landed LMA. FA has been very good to SA.

[sasaint]

He does. My mistake. Prob Ed Davis or Leonard.

I haven't seen much of Leonard post-injury. But before his injury, I coveted the guy. I liked his shot and his range. I also thought that he had good quickness and boarded well. I wanted the Spurs to get him into their system; I thought he would thrive here.

[sasaint]

It's not just about landing FA or stars, but getting to choose which players fit your style. You can also absorb salaries or trade for guys without sending things back which nets you picks or stars that force their way out (Butler, PG, types).

The flexibility, not just looking at who is a FA next year, is the key. For many reasons.

FA has been great for SA. They never had to or really tried that hard to pursue stars other than some one off times. They kept Duncan, Parker, Gino landed plenty of good vets, landed LMA. FA has been very good to SA.

Not sure I am following you. FA was good to the Spurs when they had the big 3. But the new Spurs reality is the big 1.5. Before LMA the Spurs only needed and acquired role-players through FA. The Spurs have greater needs now, and the issue is whether the Spurs should try to fill leading role(s) with expensive, aging FAs or do something different and ride younger, less proven players who the Spurs have molded or can mold into, not only "star-level" players - a new big 2 or 3 - but also conduits of the Spurs' culture.

Probably 75-80% of Spurs' culture retired after last season, wearing #21.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Spurs SHOULD have kept Ian, how Pop handled him was a disaster and a waste of a cheap asset.

Quite honestly, the Spurs should have fired their medical staff after they misdiagnosed his ankle injury at the exact time that he would have gotten valuable playing time. That would have at least given the Spurs a real look at what he could do.

[cd021]

On the table to trade into late 1st, early 2nd.

Kyle Anderson
Rights to Milutinov
2018 1st rounder ( for late 1st)

Not a fan of trading any of the above.

I'd much rather keep all three and try to buy a early second like GSW did, from Philly (36th, 39th) or Orlando (33rd, 35th)

Anderson can play right now (actually, I think he should be a starter next season with Aldridge at center and Bertans backing him up but that's beside the point.

the 2018 pick maybe a better pick than this years pick, depending on how it shakes out

GSW- bringing the same team.
Cleveland- especially if they lose in the Finals again,
Boston-potentially if they make a big spash in the off season
Houston-has money to spend to improve their team

Spurs may wind up having the 26th pick in 2018

And based on everything that I have heard and seen on Milutinov, he should be a rotation caliber big man. He's a good rebounder, mobile, long, and may have potential to be a solid NBA defender.

[TD 21]

If only we kept talley on everything weve debated about. But no, im not going to point to one debate he was wrong about 7 to 10 yrs ago.. :lol

Ive called out more things than he has the past 10 yrs, and the ones who have been here can attest to that.

I could see why you took the Mahinmi comment personally, but I didn't say it to toot my own horn. I meant it lightheartedly and thought you'd respond with something similar and we'd have a laugh about it.

Didn't want to get into a pissing contest, but since you brought it up, I've called a lot of major roster decisions this decade. Off the top of my head . . .

'10 - Said they'd trade Hill; not Parker
'10 - Said they'd sign Green
'12 - Said Diaw would be bought out and sign
'13 - Said they'd re-sign Splitter and for what he got
'14 - Said they'd re-sign both Diaw and Mills
'14 - Said they wouldn't sign Gasol and that he'd sign with Bulls
'15 - Said Duncan and Ginobili would take whatever was leftover to make Aldridge signing work and retain Green
'15 - Said they'd re-sign Green and that he'd take less
'15 - Said they'd sign Aldridge and not have to gut team to do so
'16 - Said they'd sign Gasol

Almost all of these were unpopular opinions at the time.

[Play Boban]

I could see why you took the Mahinmi comment personally, but I didn't say it to toot my own horn. I meant it lightheartedly and thought you'd respond with something similar and we'd have a laugh about it.

Didn't want to get into a pissing contest, but since you brought it up, I've called a lot of major roster decisions this decade. Off the top of my head . . .

'10 - Said they'd trade Hill; not Parker
'10 - Said they'd sign Green
'12 - Said Diaw would be bought out and sign
'13 - Said they'd re-sign Splitter and for what he got
'14 - Said they'd re-sign both Diaw and Mills
'14 - Said they wouldn't sign Gasol and that he'd sign with Bulls
'15 - Said Duncan and Ginobili would take whatever was leftover to make Aldridge signing work and retain Green
'15 - Said they'd re-sign Green and that he'd take less
'15 - Said they'd sign Aldridge and not have to gut team to do so
'16 - Said they'd sign Gasol

Almost all of these were unpopular opinions at the time.

:wow

[CGD]

870347513701687296

Yes please

[MaNu4Tres]

Not a fan of trading any of the above.

I'd much rather keep all three and try to buy a early second like GSW did, from Philly (36th, 39th) or Orlando (33rd, 35th)

Anderson can play right now (actually, I think he should be a starter next season with Aldridge at center and Bertans backing him up but that's beside the point.

the 2018 pick maybe a better pick than this years pick, depending on how it shakes out

GSW- bringing the same team.
Cleveland- especially if they lose in the Finals again,
Boston-potentially if they make a big spash in the off season
Houston-has money to spend to improve their team

Spurs may wind up having the 26th pick in 2018

And based on everything that I have heard and seen on Milutinov, he should be a rotation caliber big man. He's a good rebounder, mobile, long, and may have potential to be a solid NBA defender.

Not a fan of Milutinov. Think hes a poor mans Splitter. Id be willing to trade him.

[tbdog]

If Gasol wants to play with the Spurs, he will have to opt out. Opting in puts us in a position where he might have to dump him. With CP , rumours surely this is on his mind?

[SAGirl]

I haven't seen much of Leonard post-injury. But before his injury, I coveted the guy. I liked his shot and his range. I also thought that he had good quickness and boarded well. I wanted the Spurs to get him into their system; I thought he would thrive here.

I haven't watched much of him, but he hasn't been very good at all.

[sasaint]

If Gasol wants to play with the Spurs, he will have to opt out. Opting in puts us in a position where he might have to dump him. With CP , rumours surely this is on his mind?

If you are PATFO would you be willing to give Pau a new 3-year contract if he enabled the CP3 signing by opting out? How much for - $10MM/yr? How low do you think Pau could be re-signed for?

[tbdog]

If you are PATFO would you be willing to give Pau a new 3-year contract if he enabled the CP3 signing by opting out? How much for - $10MM/yr? How low do you think Pau could be re-signed for?

Spurs would defiantly address this, but I am pretty sure Pau can opt in before free agency starts. So unsure how it will go down. Keep in mind that every player at the end of the season has an exit interview.

[objective]

If you are PATFO would you be willing to give Pau a new 3-year contract if he enabled the CP3 signing by opting out? How much for - $10MM/yr? How low do you think Pau could be re-signed for?

Probably wouldn't work. If he opted out, and Paul wanted 30 ( 5 more than he was going to make, 5 less than he could make) ....

They would have to renounce Pau to make space, and only have the room exception to sign Pau.

Even at 25, to get Pau back at 10 you're dumping Anderson, the 2017 first, Simmons, Milutinov, maybe if they dumped Parker rather than stretch ... Maybe ...

[objective]

If you are PATFO would you be willing to give Pau a new 3-year contract if he enabled the CP3 signing by opting out? How much for - $10MM/yr? How low do you think Pau could be re-signed for?

Actually, now that I check the actual math, I guess it could work.

LMA, Kawhi, Green, Murray, Bertans, Anderson, Simmons qualifying offer, Forbes, plus say 28 for Paul .... I guess they could get to about 9 for Pau and then add on years

[sasaint]

Probably wouldn't work. If he opted out, and Paul wanted 30 ( 5 more than he was going to make, 5 less than he could make) ....

They would have to renounce Pau to make space, and only have the room exception to sign Pau.

Even at 25, to get Pau back at 10 you're dumping Anderson, the 2017 first, Simmons, Milutinov, maybe if they dumped Parker rather than stretch ... Maybe ...

I am not on the CP3 band wagon, anyway. I just like discussing the possibility as long so many ST posters believe it is a possibility.

[SAGirl]

Yeah I am not crazy about CP3 either but the team does need better perimeter players than it projects to have without making any move to add talent (and Manu and Tony from this past season can't be counted on), so they need to make a move in FA for somebody. It's going to be interesting from that point of view.

[objective]

I am not on the CP3 band wagon, anyway. I just like discussing the possibility as long so many ST posters believe it is a possibility.

Hey, I jumped the gun, I was quick to post on a hunch and not math.

Every at 30 million, I think they could get Pau on a 3/25 while keeping Anderson and the Simmons QO

It would depend on trading Parker instead of stretching him

I could be wrong in the math though, I admit. Pretty tired right now.

[sasaint]

Hey, I jumped the gun, I was quick to post on a hunch and not math.

Every at 30 million, I think they could get Pau on a 3/25 while keeping Anderson and the Simmons QO

It would depend on trading Parker instead of stretching him

I could be wrong in the math though, I admit. Pretty tired right now.

Another poster already posted the idea that we could trade Tony and Danny to cover CP3. I would not be opposed to that idea, but it is difficult to see PATFO doing it.

[NASpurs]

I would rather go young and go after someone like Hayward while having Dejounte take over the PG regins instead of signing Paul but if PATFO thinks Paul is the way to go, then I won't throw a big stink about it despite me shitting on the front office this year by carrying all of this dead weight. I just want to go young and go after someone like Hayward who is durable as fuck and a scorer. I don't know, just my personal preference.

The one good thing about Paul is that he has star cachet so the ring chasers would come especially with Kawhi being here too. So yeah, you might be paying more for Paul but it'll even out if the ring chasers and those looking for 1 year deals (in order to get bigger pay days) were to join the team.

[gambit1990]

spurs need to move parker. would MUCH rather have simmons over him.

[ace3g]

870800216139513857

[Biggems]

ok, so I was just playing around, and I really don't care about the realistic nature of the trade, but I got on the ESPN Trade Machine.

I did a 4 team trade involving San Antonio, LA Clippers, Memphis, and Philly.

SA
Trades: Aldridge, Mills, Gasol
Receives: Paul, Randolph, Holmes, Ennis

LAC
Trades: Paul, Redick
Receives: Aldridge, Stauskas

Memphis
Trades: Randolph, Ennis, Allen
Receives: Gasol, Redick

Philly
Trades: Holmes, Stauskas
Receives: Mills, Allen

Of course these trades are pro San Antonio, as I am a homer, but I think Philly got two quality veterans to come off the bench for their backcourt. Memphis unites the Gasol Bros and Redick gives them a lights out shooter to go with Conley. Really, the Clippers, IMO get the raw end of the deal. They get stuck with Aldridge and Stauskas, but they do get to move on from Paul.....and find a PG of the future.

like I said, this was just for fun, and totally unrealistic.....btw, while I am at it, we give simmons a decent raise, sign ian clark, draft a versatile big at 29, then Barry at 59. Oh, and if he so inclines, Manu can return for one more year, while Parker announces his retirement.

[cjw]

ok, so I was just playing around, and I really don't care about the realistic nature of the trade, but I got on the ESPN Trade Machine.

I did a 4 team trade involving San Antonio, LA Clippers, Memphis, and Philly.

You realize you can't trade for pending free agents (or in Mills' case trade them away) right?

Guess ESPN ran out of money and fired the guy who keeps the trade machine updated.

[RD2191]

870800216139513857

Any thoughts on him?

[TimDunkem]

^Most Spurs fans won't want him and will claim he isn't any more valuable than even a Danny Green despite Waiters bending Danny over on several occasions. :lol

Either way, the Spurs can't afford him.

[Biggems]

You realize you can't trade for pending free agents (or in Mills' case trade them away) right?

Guess ESPN ran out of money and fired the guy who keeps the trade machine updated.

I forhot about mills being a free agent, and apparently espn has not updated the machime.

Btw, I despise paul. I am not sure I can pull for him to be a Spur......I can go for Westbrook in a heartbeat.

[Play Boban]

Any thoughts on him?
:lol

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

SA needs to figure out a wa to reel in number 26 from Portland or another pick in lare 1st/ early 2nd.Im a big believer in this draft from 20 to 40. If Spurs can net two rotation guys from this draft ...

Bell
Wilson
Adebayo

Agreed. It's strange how the players projected between 9-19 just don't seem all that enticing. I never understood that about mock drafts. If that's the case, why not just bump up the guys from 20-40?

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Any thoughts on him?

Tbh I wouldn't mind Waiters. He can create offense. He got in shape. He's got balls. Only thing is he probably costs too much now.

[BatManu20]

870691519790850048

[ace3g]

871462703566528512

[BatManu20]

871462703566528512

Thank god. Harden and Durant can knock about 6-7 PPG off their average now.

[spursistan]

871460601465319425

[sasaint]

870691519790850048

I went to Vandy (many years ago, tbh), and I still root for the Commodores. The Vandy man I wanted for the Spurs was Brogdon. He wanted to play for the Spurs, and he had the perfect Spurs resume. But Kornet, meh. He is a streaky shooter and a gangly defender who is out of position a lot.

[raybies]

we were the best team the Warriors were gonna play in the playoffs. Sux Kawhi went down. This is ridiculous.

[cd98]

Hey this is almost like the Spurs winning a title.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/19533897/former-los-angeles-lakers-player-derek-fisher-accused-dui-crash

[Keepin' it real]

How difficult can it be to find and sign several young, versatile players who can dribble-penetrate and shoot the 3 and also play great defense?

Seems pretty easy to me ... -- Spurstalk

[ducks]

Young shooting the NBA three at good rate hard to find

[jermaine]

871460601465319425

Where the fuck have this guy been!?! Sign his ass today!!! His pretty damn good in the paint.

[ace3g]

I know this isn't feasible but one can wish.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hs7tdoh

[RD2191]

I know this isn't feasible but one can wish.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hs7tdoh

Well let's just hope the Bulls don't take trade machine win/loss to seriously. :lol

[keithington1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeKLRi8ngBo
Leanord dancing at 0:24. The Spurs turned him into a robot:lol

[Atl Spur]

Well let's just hope the Bulls don't take trade machine win/loss to seriously. :lol

Throw Danny in and see what happens........

[jermaine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeKLRi8ngBo
Leanord dancing at 0:24. The Spurs turned him into a robot:lol

Lol... that's funny! But it probably hit him once he made it into the NBA that his dad, who he worked so hard for wasn't around to see that he made it. So now he's a quite guy. I seen the video of him taunting Jimmer an was like woooooow, that was Kawhi!?!

[Chinook]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeKLRi8ngBo
Leanord dancing at 0:24. The Spurs turned him into a robot:lol

It's marketing, just like Davis' unibrow.

[sasaint]

I know this isn't feasible but one can wish.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hs7tdoh

This was more feasible a year ago.

[cd021]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeKLRi8ngBo
Leanord dancing at 0:24. The Spurs turned him into a robot:lol

The preferred term is cyborg.

When he got injured by stepping on David Lee's foot, he almost didn't look like he knew how react, it looked so unnatural.:lol

[r0drig0lac]

Any thoughts on him?

Spurs need players who can create their own shot, unfortunately will receive very high bids

[look_at_g_shred]

Lakers bound imho

[Chinook]

Is Nicolas Batum a positive player in terms of trade value? He seems overpaid, but he's going to make about 2/3 what Paul is going to make and less than any decent FA.

[Seventyniner]

Is Nicolas Batum a positive player in terms of trade value? He seems overpaid, but he's going to make about 2/3 what Paul is going to make and less than any decent FA.

He's a pretty good playmaker from the wing, but unless the Spurs trade Green for him, move Danny to the bench, or run a lot of small lineups with Leonard and Batum at the forward positions, I don't see the fit. Hayward is talented enough to make it work, Batum not so much imo.

A lack of playmaking ability in the backcourt will be a real problem. Murray's court vision isn't developed enough and most likely won't be by next year's playoffs.

Edit: just checked Batum's contract. Ouch. I think I'd rather have Paul at $35M than Batum at $22M given positional overlap and the Spurs' need for a playmaking PG. I guess Batum could be had for Gasol + filler so if the Spurs refuse to salary-dump or stretch Parker it's a more viable path. But that contract is very hard to build around.

[cutewizard]

Some tweeks:

1. Trade LMA to PHX for Bender, Dudley's contract, picks #32 and 54. Shave 6 million and get a young big on Kawhi/Murrays timeline for future.

2. Trade Danny to ATL for Dunlevy's expiring deal (team option) and #19. Shave 10 million after not picking up Dunleveys deal.

3. Have Pau opt out and resign for 30/3yrs , with deal starting at 9M. Shave another 7 million while keeping starting Center.

4. Deal with Manu cap hold

5. Use 19, 29, 32 to find wing help in draft or via trade to replace Danny.

6. Max out Paul


Run with:

CP3/Hobbled TP/Pick
Murray/Pick/Forbes
Leonard/Hanga/Dudley
Bender/Bertans/Kyle
Gasol/Mulitinov


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unable to compete with GS

[Chinook]

He's a pretty good playmaker from the wing, but unless the Spurs trade Green for him, move Danny to the bench, or run a lot of small lineups with Leonard and Batum at the forward positions, I don't see the fit. Hayward is talented enough to make it work, Batum not so much imo.

The idea would be he'd play a lot of small-ball four. I think he used to do that in Portland. If he came with Green, Leonard and LMA still around, he could be the secondary play-maker the team needs, making a guy like Mills a viable option at PG with that group. While Hayward can definitely do that, he's also more expensive and thus would require more roster overhaul to attain. Even more so for Paul.


A lack of playmaking ability in the backcourt will be a real problem. Murray's court vision isn't developed enough and most likely won't be by next year's playoffs.

I agree with this. At the same time, the team needs to increase its talent as much as its fit. Batum isn't a good enough scorer for me to feel comfortable with him being the main addition, but they could do worse.


Edit: just checked Batum's contract. Ouch. I think I'd rather have Paul at $35M than Batum at $22M given positional overlap and the Spurs' need for a playmaking PG. I guess Batum could be had for Gasol + filler so if the Spurs refuse to salary-dump or stretch Parker it's a more viable path. But that contract is very hard to build around.

Nic certainly isn't being paid as a role-player. But Paul would be making almost $20 Million more than Batum in their final years. That's untenable for me, especially given that I think the cap will collapse by then. That Batum turns into a wet noodle in the playoffs is an issue, especially if he and LMA are the second and third options. But a Simmons, Green, Kawhi, Batum and LMA lineup could be very hard to guard.

[David Stern]

The idea would be he'd play a lot of small-ball four. I think he used to do that in Portland. If he came with Green, Leonard and LMA still around, he could be the secondary play-maker the team needs, making a guy like Mills a viable option at PG with that group. While Hayward can definitely do that, he's also more expensive and thus would require more roster overhaul to attain. Even more so for Paul.




I agree with this. At the same time, the team needs to increase its talent as much as its fit. Batum isn't a good enough scorer for me to feel comfortable with him being the main addition, but they could do worse.



Nic certainly isn't being paid as a role-player. But Paul would be making almost $20 Million more than Batum in their final years. That's untenable for me, especially given that I think the cap will collapse by then. That Batum turns into a wet noodle in the playoffs is an issue, especially if he and LMA are the second and third options. But a Simmons, Green, Kawhi, Batum and LMA lineup could be very hard to guard.

Please stop. This is a HORRIBLE idea. Batum is nearing 30. We have a Superstar who needs better sidekicks for the long haul (Murray is one of them). Trading for a fucking near 30 year old way overpaid role players is not the way to go. Come the fuck on.

[Vic Petro]

Please stop. This is a HORRIBLE idea. Batum is nearing 30. We have a Superstar who needs better sidekicks for the long haul (Murray is one of them). Trading for a fucking near 30 year old way overpaid role players is not the way to go. Come the fuck on.

:toast

[Chinook]

Please stop. This is a HORRIBLE idea. Batum is nearing 30. We have a Superstar who needs better sidekicks for the long haul (Murray is one of them). Trading for a fucking near 30 year old way overpaid role players is not the way to go. Come the fuck on.

Okay, no. Batum turned 28 this year. You can bitch about a lot of issues with him, but his age is not one of them. Kawhi doesn't need to be surrounding with 19-year-old guys picked at the end of the first. He needs the best mix of players, old and young, the team can give him.

I don't know what some fans are expecting, but posts like yours are borderline delusional.

[David Stern]

Okay, no. Batum turned 28 this year. You can bitch about a lot of issues with him, but his age is not one of them. Kawhi doesn't need to be surrounding with 19-year-old guys picked at the end of the first. He needs the best mix of players, old and young, the team can give him.

I don't know what some fans are expecting, but posts like yours are borderline delusional.

He will be 29 in December. He is an overpaid role player. And stop with this "best mix of players" bullshit. He needs 2 legit sidekicks and a solid supporting cast behind that. Are you fucking kidding me with Batum? No. Just no. Kawhi and a good supporting cast doesn't work. You need a big 3 plus good role players. Cp3? No. Batum? Gmafb. Murray? The upside is there. Mold him into that new big 3. Find another young piece and finish the process.

[Chinook]

He will be 29 in December. He is an overpaid role player. And stop with this "best mix of players" bullshit. He needs 2 legit sidekicks and a solid supporting cast behind that. Are you fucking kidding me with Batum? No. Just no. Kawhi and a good supporting cast doesn't work. You need a big 3 plus good role players. Cp3? No. Batum? Gmafb. Murray? The upside is there. Mold him into that new big 3. Find another young piece and finish the process.

This sounds ridiculous. Kawhi's not going to get a "Big Three" if you start nixing everyone older than 27. That you think Murray is anything more than a prospect right now is disturbing. He's not a "piece" of a star trio; he's not penciled in to be one either. I'd love for him to be the next Parker or Butler, but if you think that's how they're going to figure out how to compete, I don't know what to tell you, but Kawhi's going to be getting old (by your standards) by the time guys like Murray are even in their sweet spot -- assuming they work out.

Kawhi and a good supporting cast would work if that supporting cast were better and more diversified. The Spurs aren't going to pull a Cavs or Warriors. They're going to try to form a strong team with good offense and great defense. I'm sorry that bothers you, but this, "fuck Paul and Lowry; we got Murray and 29" attitude isn't going to lead to happiness.

[David Stern]

This sounds ridiculous. Kawhi's not going to get a "Big Three" if you start nixing everyone older than 27. That you think Murray is anything more than a prospect right now is disturbing. He's not a "piece" of a star trio; he's not penciled in to be one either. I'd love for him to be the next Parker or Butler, but if you think that's how they're going to figure out how to compete, I don't know what to tell you, but Kawhi's going to be getting old (by your standards) by the time guys like Murray are even in their sweet spot -- assuming they work out.

Kawhi and a good supporting cast would work if that supporting cast were better and more diversified. The Spurs aren't going to pull a Cavs or Warriors. They're going to try to form a strong team with good offense and great defense. I'm sorry that bothers you, but this, "fuck Paul and Lowry; we got Murray and 29" attitude isn't going to lead to happiness.

That method won't work consistently. It is a proven failed method. Duncan would have only had MAYBE 2 rings in his career if they went with this method you are saying "works." It's why they got him sidekicks plus great role players which lead to more championships. I'm sorry but this has to be done for Leonard or you can forget about seeing more than one (if they even get lucky with that) championship parade with Leonard as the Alpha. This is being realistic. I want a realistic shot at winning championships and your methods are guaranteed to allow that NOT to happen.

[Robz4000]

That method won't work consistently. It is a proven failed method. Duncan would have only had MAYBE 2 rings in his career if they went with this method you are saying "works." It's why they got him sidekicks plus great role players which lead to more championships. I'm sorry but this has to be done for Leonard or you can forget about seeing more than one (if they even get lucky with that) championship parade with Leonard as the Alpha. This is being realistic. I want a realistic shot at winning championships and your methods are guaranteed to allow that NOT to happen.

The Spurs got lucky as hell with Parker and Ginobili; they had no idea the quality of players they were going to turn into. Generally late first round picks and second round picks don't work out in the NBA or at least don't turn into star players.

[Chinook]

That method won't work consistently. It is a proven failed method. Duncan would have only had MAYBE 2 rings in his career if they went with this method you are saying "works."

This is totally contradictory. Duncan having two rings would still be better than Kawhi's likely to have relying on late picks.


It's why they got him sidekicks plus great role players which lead to more championships.

They didn't get him sidekicks; they happened to draft two HoFers with late picks. Your whole plan is, "Oh, they'll just hit the lottery two more fucking times and keep it going." Murray's not Parker. I hope he becomes that, but he's not now and isn't likely to be. And no one is going to get another Manu at 58.



I'm sorry but this has to be done for Leonard or you can forget about seeing more than one (if they even get lucky with that) championship parade with Leonard as the Alpha. This is being realistic. I want a realistic shot at winning championships and your methods are guaranteed to allow that NOT to happen.

You're being insanely unrealistic in thinking that guys like Murray are better bets than actual established players. More importantly, you're being extremely close-minding. Overpaying for role-players in no way stops them from drafting and developing players like Murray. DeJounte isn't using that money right now, so Batum getting it doesn't affect him. If you aren't going to spend it on stars, you may as well spend it on the role-players you were talking about. The Spurs developed Parker while giving guys like Steve Smith, Malik Rose and huge gobs of cash.

[Biggems]

Four players I like in the draft

SG Josh Hart - Villanova
solid offensive player, very good defensive player, team leader, high bball IQ, gives max effort, only average athleticism

PF Isaiah Hartenstein - Zalgiris
big and physical, will fight for rebounds, shows good effort on defense, improving offensive game especially from the perimeter

SG Andrew White III - Syracuse
nice size for position, had a good 3pt and mid-range game, can create own shot, good rebounder for a SG, can get after it on defense, 23 years old

PG Kadeem Allen - Arizona
nice size for position, outstanding defender, needs to work on offensive game, will turn 25 this year


I still want to bring back Manu and Simmons. Let Mills walk. Bring over Hanga and Mulitinov. Get these 4 players from the draft and post-draft (stashing Hartenstein for a year or two).

PG - Murray, Allen, Parker (injured)
SG - Green, Manu, Hart, White
SF - Leonard, Simmons, Hanga
PF - Aldridge, Bertans
C - Gasol, Lee, Mulitinov

I would like to figure out a way to replace Aldridge with Zach Randolph (who is a UFA). I would also like to replace Gasol with a younger, more athletic big. I do like the potential of Richaun Holmes, but we would have to make a trade to get him from Philly. I wonder if we could get Okafor to play up to his potential, cause he isn't doing that in Philly.

[palangi]

Four players I like in the draft

SG Josh Hart - Villanova
solid offensive player, very good defensive player, team leader, high bball IQ, gives max effort, only average athleticism

PF Isaiah Hartenstein - Zalgiris
big and physical, will fight for rebounds, shows good effort on defense, improving offensive game especially from the perimeter

SG Andrew White III - Syracuse
nice size for position, had a good 3pt and mid-range game, can create own shot, good rebounder for a SG, can get after it on defense, 23 years old

PG Kadeem Allen - Arizona
nice size for position, outstanding defender, needs to work on offensive game, will turn 25 this year


I still want to bring back Manu and Simmons. Let Mills walk. Bring over Hanga and Mulitinov. Get these 4 players from the draft and post-draft (stashing Hartenstein for a year or two).

PG - Murray, Allen, Parker (injured)
SG - Green, Manu, Hart, White
SF - Leonard, Simmons, Hanga
PF - Aldridge, Bertans
C - Gasol, Lee, Mulitinov

I would like to figure out a way to replace Aldridge with Zach Randolph (who is a UFA). I would also like to replace Gasol with a younger, more athletic big. I do like the potential of Richaun Holmes, but we would have to make a trade to get him from Philly. I wonder if we could get Okafor to play up to his potential, cause he isn't doing that in Philly.

I like Hart too. I'd like to see us pick up an early second rounder to get him. I think he could be Brogdon like. Be a PG/SG type player.

[TimDunkem]

Spurs will sign a washed up player to be the second string PG until Tony comes back and takes Murray's minutes.

Simmons, Mills (thank God), and Dedmon are gone.

Pau, LMA, and Green will remain starters and stink it up even worse than they did this year.

Kawhi will still be left without an adequate backup as Fathead still can't shoot and his ceiling is as a bench utility big.

Manu will come back on another loyalty contract and play at least 15 minutes a game.

Spurs will do nothing in the draft; perhaps grabbing a decent player who won't get minutes when it counts (or whiff on the pick), and waste the second rounder on a Euro who will never make the team.

Book it.

[GSH]

So is Jaron Blossomgame for real? He's getting a lot of attention in the workouts, and a lot of talk about him being a hard worker. He's looking like a second-rounder - the Spurs have to be looking for a second round steal. He shot the 3 very well as a junior, and went to hell this year. But if he can do it for one whole season, that looks like something that could be fixed. If he's a hit, having him on the court with Kawhi would be great for the New NBA.

[ECOV]

Spurs will sign a washed up player to be the second string PG until Tony comes back and takes Murray's minutes.

Simmons, Mills (thank God), and Dedmon are gone.

Pau, LMA, and Green will remain starters and stink it up even worse than they did this year.

Kawhi will still be left without an adequate backup as Fathead still can't shoot and his ceiling is as a bench utility big.

Manu will come back on another loyalty contract and play at least 15 minutes a game.

Spurs will do nothing in the draft; perhaps grabbing a decent player who won't get minutes when it counts (or whiff on the pick), and waste the second rounder on a Euro who will never make the team.

Book it.
:wakeup

[ace3g]

872941126981963776

[SPURt]

So is Jaron Blossomgame for real? He's getting a lot of attention in the workouts, and a lot of talk about him being a hard worker. He's looking like a second-rounder - the Spurs have to be looking for a second round steal. He shot the 3 very well as a junior, and went to hell this year. But if he can do it for one whole season, that looks like something that could be fixed. If he's a hit, having him on the court with Kawhi would be great for the New NBA.
Easily my favorite late 2nd round pick. He's got a low release mechanical looking shot but if he wants it bad enough he should be able to improve that. The other detriment to his draft stock is his age - 24.

[tbdog]

872941126981963776

I made a comment that we should trade for Drummond and create the best defense in the league.

[Vic Petro]

French center Jonathan Jeanne, who was expected to be a first-round selection in the 2017 NBA draft, has been diagnosed with Marfan syndrome, a potentially career-ending disorder, agent Bouna Ndiaye told The Vertical.

https://sports.yahoo.com/first-round-prospect-diagnosed-potentially-career-ending-disorder-233438983.html

[tholdren]

Okay, no. Batum turned 28 this year. You can bitch about a lot of issues with him, but his age is not one of them. Kawhi doesn't need to be surrounding with 19-year-old guys picked at the end of the first. He needs the best mix of players, old and young, the team can give him.

I don't know what some fans are expecting, but posts like yours are borderline delusional.
Smh, you wanted gasol. Murray contributed this year in the playoffs. Why would he not next year? I dont like batum though for 20 mil.

[ace3g]

873359209877848064

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB-GRBjVoAA2Lv5.jpg:large

[spursistan]

873176499209109504

didn't Stein get laid off by Espn?

[Spurs9]

872941126981963776

:wow Drummond, yes plz.

[Robz4000]

:wow Drummond, yes plz.

Drummond is absolutely awful. He's actually a pretty bad defender and his offense is even worse. Only thing he does at a high level is rebound.

[RD2191]

Drummond is absolutely awful. He's actually a pretty bad defender and his offense is even worse. Only thing he does at a high level is rebound.

Should fit right in with our shit bigs then.

[Robz4000]

Should fit right in with our shit bigs then.

He's a whole level of bad worse than LMA and Gasol. Would actually take Gasol and Lee over him.

[RD2191]

He's a whole level of bad worse than LMA and Gasol. Would actually take Gasol and Lee over him.

Have you actually watched him play?(I haven't) His offensive stats look solid, nothing crazy but his fg% is pretty efficient.

[ECOV]

873359209877848064

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB-GRBjVoAA2Lv5.jpg:large
Who ever wants to see there ad with timmy here the link to the twitter ,you can find the vid there. https://twitter.com/SpiderManMovie
also timmy is only on screen for like 5 seconds lol

[objective]

873176499209109504

didn't Stein get laid off by Espn?

I thought I read that he was being kept on though the draft, but I could be wrong

[Spurs9]

He's a whole level of bad worse than LMA and Gasol. Would actually take Gasol and Lee over him.

You would take Gasol over Drummnond? At least he can rebound :lol

[objective]

Drummond ain't been the same since he shaved his back.

[Robz4000]

You would take Gasol over Drummnond? At least he can rebound :lol

Gasol is a decent enough rebounder. He also can shoot and pass. Drummond can rebound and that's it.

[Robz4000]

Have you actually watched him play?(I haven't) His offensive stats look solid, nothing crazy but his fg% is pretty efficient.

He's an inferior version of DeMonkey; all his buckets come off lobs and dunks, and even then he's a pretty average finisher.

[palangi]

Gasol is a decent enough rebounder. He also can shoot and pass. Drummond can rebound and that's it.

He rim protects and blocks shots.

Zaza and Magee aren't asked top do anything else. A defensive big that can dominate down low is stI'll a good thing.
Same with Tristan Thompson.

[Robz4000]

He rim protects and blocks shots.

Zaza and Magee aren't asked top do anything else. A defensive big that can dominate down low is stI'll a good thing.
Same with Tristan Thompson.

He's an awful rim protector for his size and length; ranks below average among bigs iirc.

[tholdren]

He rim protects and blocks shots.

Zaza and Magee aren't asked top do anything else. A defensive big that can dominate down low is stI'll a good thing.
Same with Tristan Thompson.

Idiot

[look_at_g_shred]

Gasol is a decent enough rebounder. He also can shoot and pass. Drummond can rebound and that's it.
How did that work out for us?

[Robz4000]

How did that work out for us?

I was avidly against signing Gasol last year and was an outspoken critic of his all season. That said, Gasol performed much better than Drummond would in the Spurs' system even if they somehow landed CP0.

[palangi]

Idiot

Oh did I hurt your little feelings?

[palangi]

He's an awful rim protector for his size and length; ranks below average among bigs iirc.

Your right he is no good?

https://youtu.be/eo9jAmhX4-A

[CGD]

873359209877848064

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DB-GRBjVoAA2Lv5.jpg:large

#TDForever

[palangi]

872941126981963776

The 4 years left and 22 million a year is scary. That's going to be hard to move.

[tholdren]

Oh did I hurt your little feelings?

No, but there arent any defensive bigs, drummond and gasol are both shit. You dont even need a big since like 2000

[cjw]

I thought I read that he was being kept on though the draft, but I could be wrong

Like Chad Ford, likely being kept on through the draft. Awkward quandary for guys like them and ones who were told contracts wouldn't be renewed. Keep working and get paid by ESPN (but can't start fresh yet) or go elsewhere and contract doesn't get paid out.


And to the other guy who thought Drummond is a good offensive player because of his FG%... :lol

[palangi]

No, but there arent any defensive bigs, drummond and gasol are both shit. You dont even need a big since like 2000

A rim protector is still a plus. And a guy that rebounds.

Everyone thinks the Warriors are winning with small ball. But they are long and tall.

Durant is 7'
Green is 6'8"
Zaza is 6'10"
McGee is 7'
Thompson is 6'7"

[tholdren]

A rim protector is still a plus. And a guy that rebounds.

Everyone thinks the Warriors are winning with small ball. But they are long and tall.

Durant is 7'
Green is 6'8"
Zaza is 6'10"
McGee is 7'
Thompson is 6'7"

Tall has nothing to do with it, other than youre at a mismatch when you try to play the traditional 12345 body size like sa. Pau or lma dont out rebound anyone or rim protect. Anyone witb a brain saw gsw just bait with screens to get a matchup.

The only time that shit 2 big lineup of lma and pau will work is when they are both scoring, which they can only do w jumpers ironically.

Spurs dont beed a big. They (lma and pau) dont pick n roll and they dont set screens. Small ball is in reference to perimeter play versus pound inside, not average height.

[ace3g]

11 Days away from the draft.


June 22
NBA Draft 2017

June 24 — Last day for potential restricted free agents to exercise player options.

June 29 — Last day for decisions on player, team and early termination options, unless individual contracts specify otherwise (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2017/03/early-decision-dates-for-201718-player-options.html).

June 30 — Last official day of 2016/17 league year; last day for teams to make qualifying offers (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/05/qualifying-offers.html) to players eligible for restricted free agency.

July 1 — Official start of 2017/18 league year; July moratorium (https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2015/06/rumors-glossary-moratorium.html) begins. Free agents can begin reaching verbal agreements with teams.

July 6 — July moratorium ends (11:00am CT); teams can begin officially signing players and making trades.

July 1-17
NBA Summer League

[palangi]

Tall has nothing to do with it, other than youre at a mismatch when you try to play the traditional 12345 body size like sa. Pau or lma dont out rebound anyone or rim protect. Anyone witb a brain saw gsw just bait with screens to get a matchup.

The only time that shit 2 big lineup of lma and pau will work is when they are both scoring, which they can only do w jumpers ironically.

Spurs dont beed a big. They (lma and pau) dont pick n roll and they dont set screens. Small ball is in reference to perimeter play versus pound inside, not average height.

I think we are agreeing in different ways. An athletic big is still important, because he has to defend the pick and roll.

[CGD]

11 Days away from the draft.

Best stretch in the NBA season after a Spurs playoff run, tbh

[cd98]

Just glad Spurs didn't lose in the first round as then it would feel like an eternity until the draft.

[ace3g]

Rudy Gay officially opted out of his contract.

[TheDoctor]

Rudy Gay officially opted out of his contract.

For the min? Hop on the Spurs' caravan Gay fella.

[tholdren]

Rudy Gay officially opted out of his contract.

Wonder if he thinks he is worth more thab what he was getting from kings.. dude is iso though

[-21-]

Well, the goal is officially set: dethrone the Warriors.

[TimDunkem]

I'll take Rudy Gay over Fathead, tbh. Too bad he'll likely want too much $$$$.

[tholdren]

I think we are agreeing in different ways. An athletic big is still important, because he has to defend the pick and roll.

Ill agree that an athletic big is useful, but that doesnt describe any big we have now

[CGD]

Finally the offseason. Terrible playoff product this year.

[kaji157]

Hey i was just discussing with a friend here, would you do this trade? Would NO?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9vz8omf

http://www.subirimagenes.com/imagedata.php?url=http://s2.subirimagenes.com/imagen/9752087sin-ttulo.png

[SpursBig3s]

Per Woj podcast, Celtics are top threat to sign Blake Griffin.

Seems like that that would help sway CP to come here

[NASpurs]

Per Woj podcast, Celtics are top threat to sign Blake Griffin.

Seems like that that would help sway CP to come here

In similar news:

https://sports.yahoo.com/adrian-wojnarowski-people-around-nba-221416967.html

Adrian Wojnarowski: People around NBA feel LeBron James ‘likely’ to join Lakers or Clippers

[cjw]

Per Woj podcast, Celtics are top threat to sign Blake Griffin.

Seems like that that would help sway CP to come here

JJ is as good as gone and they have no cap space assuming they keep both the Blake and CP3 holds. If Blake leaves, they could essentially replace his salary with someone else and stay under the cap and keep CP3 with Bird rights. Or go JJ plus a $7ish million guy.

Either way, hard to see that team being as good next year as last year unless Blake AND JJ come back.

[CGD]

Per Woj podcast, Celtics are top threat to sign Blake Griffin.

Seems like that that would help sway CP to come here

Does that mean they'd be out of the Hayward running?

[CGD]

Per Woj podcast, Celtics are top threat to sign Blake Griffin.

Seems like that that would help sway CP to come here

Not if there is a chance James goes there this or next year.

[BillMc]

Not if there is a chance James goes there this or next year.
I'd be surprised if James ever goes west. The East is too easy a route to the finals every year.

[dabom]

Does woj know anything lebron is gonna do? :lol

[CGD]

I'd be surprised if James ever goes west. The East is too easy a route to the finals every year.

I don't know; kinda think he's cool with his three rings, and the legacy cementing run he had last year. Part of me thinks he really wants to take his brand to the next level by being in LA, doing movies, being associated with a big brand like the Lakers, Asia exposure, etc.

[Leetonidas]

Not if there is a chance James goes there this or next year.

LeBron is more likely to come to SA with Paul/Leonard/LMA/Pop than LA with Paul/Jordan/Rivers tbh...

[BatManu20]

I'd be surprised if James ever goes west. The East is too easy a route to the finals every year.

I used to think this too for a long time, but I think Lebron is becoming increasingly conscious of how much people put into Finals records, and I think he's annoyed that his is going to be so tainted with these losses to the Warriors... Think he might rather head out West and lose in the WCF than in the NBA Finals, as trite as that may seem. And if/when he did best the Warriors in the WCF, it's basically a guaranteed Finals victory against whoever comes out of the East.

[bic50]

I'd be surprised if James ever goes west. The East is too easy a route to the finals every year.
Not likely to happen but Lebron out west with the Spurs and they pretty much are finals bound if they passed the warriors which would be very possible.

[Ice009]

Hey i was just discussing with a friend here, would you do this trade? Would NO?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9vz8omf

http://www.subirimagenes.com/imagedata.php?url=http://s2.subirimagenes.com/imagen/9752087sin-ttulo.png

Yes, I would do that trade, like yesterday. I really want Cousins. I think he is one of the only real big men in the NBA these days that can dominate small ball. The only other big that I would take over him is AD.

[ace3g]

7 days away from the NBA Draft!!!

[tbdog]

I would honestly give Green, Sign and trade mills, Gasol contract, plus 1st's for AD and take on Asik contract. Leonard and AD would be the best 2 way punch this league has seen since Kobe and Shaq.

[szkorhetz]

I would honestly give Green, Sign and trade mills, Gasol contract, plus 1st's for AD and take on Asik contract. Leonard and AD would be the best 2 way punch this league has seen since Kobe and Shaq.
And why would Pelicans do that? :D
AD with KAT and Giannis are the most valuable players in the NBA. Really it's like giving up young Tim Duncan for Kerr, the old and injured Sabonis and a first. Yeah, will never happen.

[TimDunkem]

I would honestly give Green, Sign and trade mills, Gasol contract, plus 1st's for AD and take on Asik contract. Leonard and AD would be the best 2 way punch this league has seen since Kobe and Shaq.
Can I have some of what you're smoking?

[tbdog]

And why would Pelicans do that? :D
AD with KAT and Giannis are the most valuable players in the NBA. Really it's like giving up young Tim Duncan for Kerr, the old and injured Sabonis and a first. Yeah, will never happen.

Because Cousins was had for one prospect and a 1st? Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett, and Thad Young were traded for Love. Because Asik's contract sucks.

[cjw]

Because Cousins was had for one prospect and a 1st? Andrew Wiggins, Anthony Bennett, and Thad Young were traded for Love. Because Asik's contract sucks.

Davis is not Love or Cousins. Any trade for him would have to include a player of Kawhi/Durant's level, or two Brooklyn picks, or something of that sorts.

[ducks]

wonder what it would take to get butler

[cd021]

I used to think this too for a long time, but I think Lebron is becoming increasingly conscious of how much people put into Finals records, and I think he's annoyed that his is going to be so tainted with these losses to the Warriors... Think he might rather head out West and lose in the WCF than in the NBA Finals, as trite as that may seem. And if/when he did best the Warriors in the WCF, it's basically a guaranteed Finals victory against whoever comes out of the East.

His finals record is fine when considering the level of talent coming out of the west. The only loss that was inexcusable was Dallas in '11.

Lebron's mentioned himself that the '14 Spurs had four HOFs + Pop.
-He wasn't winning in 2007,
-OKC was too young and Harden choked in '11,
-the Heat won a toss up in 2012 (:depressed)
-GSW won 67 games and Lebron didn't have both Love and Kyrie in 2015
-GSW won 66 games and went 15-1 in the playoffs with KD and three other all-stars in '17

Magic was 5-4, and people only seem to remember the 5 titles and the Celtics Rivalry.
People need to be more impressed that he's been to the Finals 8 times before the age of 33

[look_at_g_shred]

His finals record is fine when considering the level of talent coming out of the west. The only loss that was inexcusable was Dallas in '11.

Lebron's mentioned himself that the '14 Spurs had four HOFs + Pop.
-He wasn't winning in 2007,
-OKC was too young and Harden choked in '11,
-the Heat won a toss up in 2012 (:depressed)
-GSW won 67 games and Lebron didn't have both Love and Kyrie in 2015
-GSW won 66 games and went 15-1 in the playoffs with KD and three other all-stars in '17

Magic was 5-4, and people only seem to remember the 5 titles and the Celtics Rivalry.
People need to be more impressed that he's been to the Finals 8 times before the age of 33
2013*

[Ice009]

His finals record is fine when considering the level of talent coming out of the west. The only loss that was inexcusable was Dallas in '11.

Lebron's mentioned himself that the '14 Spurs had four HOFs + Pop.
-He wasn't winning in 2007,
-OKC was too young and Harden choked in '11,
-the Heat won a toss up in 2012 (:depressed)
-GSW won 67 games and Lebron didn't have both Love and Kyrie in 2015
-GSW won 66 games and went 15-1 in the playoffs with KD and three other all-stars in '17

Magic was 5-4, and people only seem to remember the 5 titles and the Celtics Rivalry.
People need to be more impressed that he's been to the Finals 8 times before the age of 33

Why should I be impressed? If the Spurs were in the East, Tim Duncan could have had over 10 finals appearances.

[Snaq O'Meal]

wonder what it would take to get butler

PATFO don't want him. Otherwise, they would've drafted him.

[TheDoctor]

PATFO don't want him. Otherwise, they would've drafted him.

Exactly. Instead, Pop in one of his telescope infatuation night club saw this and the rest is history:

http://i1185.photobucket.com/albums/z357/GYR0MEISTER/CoJo%20copy.png

[cd021]

Why should I be impressed? If the Spurs were in the East, Tim Duncan could have had over 10 finals appearances.

But they aren't...

[Ice009]

But they aren't...

The amount of finals appearances Lebron has had mean NOTHING to me. Most of them are worthless since he's out East and that is why he's lost so many times in the finals. No one's going to tell me otherwise, and/or that I should be impressed. I don't feel sorry for him losing at all.

[RD2191]

The amount of finals appearances Lebron has had mean NOTHING to me. Most of them are worthless since he's out East and that is why he's lost so many times in the finals. No one's going to tell me otherwise, and/or that I should be impressed. I don't feel sorry for him losing at all.

Ice dropping truth bombs.

[DPG21920]

The amount of finals appearances Lebron has had mean NOTHING to me. Most of them are worthless since he's out East and that is why he's lost so many times in the finals. No one's going to tell me otherwise, and/or that I should be impressed. I don't feel sorry for him losing at all.

You probably realize how foolish this is, right? I mean, teams out East have had years and years to try and beat Lebron and build for that and they could not do it. It's not because the "East sucks". It's because of how great Lebron is.

To even further demonstrate this point, Lebron drags CLE to finals, leaves them and they become pretty much the WORST TEAM in the East. That same EAST you are saying is so easy. The team he joins? They just so happen to win multiple titles. He leaves that team and what happens? Back to the lottery while his current team wins a title and goes to multiple finals.

It's not that hard to see the constant there.

[BSfromTX]

Lebron is great, no doubt, but the number of finals appearances really is only because the east sucks. In the west there have always been roughly 2-4 teams capable of beating east finalist over the last two decades, while very few of the east runner-ups (from the east) could even think about competing in the west. Maybe there are a couple exceptions, but after the two seed in east it has always been super weak.

you can't ignore the fact that lebron has played weak ass teams in first and second rounds of east.

[DPG21920]

Lebron is great, no doubt, but the number of finals appearances really is only because the east sucks. In the west there have always been roughly 2-4 teams capable of beating east finalist over the last two decades, while very few of the east runner-ups (from the east) could even think about competing in the west. Maybe there are a couple exceptions, but after the two seed in east it has always been super weak.

you can't ignore the fact that lebron has played weak ass teams in first and second rounds of east.

The bottom half of the West isn't much better. Sure, maybe there are 2-3 teams in the West, but it's not that big of a deal. Especially since CLE record vs the West is crazy good.

[Jdspur20]

Would Parker qualify for the disabled player exception? He's virtually going to be out the majority of the season. He says Jan but we know Spurs are going to stretch that. Don't see him back until beginning of march. If he's even able to play at that point.

[Chinook]

Would Parker qualify for the disabled player exception? He's virtually going to be out the majority of the season. He says Jan but we know Spurs are going to stretch that. Don't see him back until beginning of march. If he's even able to play at that point.

He wouldn't qualify unless doctors thought he wasn't coming back at all. But the Spurs might get some financial relief from the insurance. Should kick in in December if he's still out by then.

[cjw]

The bottom half of the West isn't much better. Sure, maybe there are 2-3 teams in the West, but it's not that big of a deal. Especially since CLE record vs the West is crazy good.

The West is still significantly better than the East. 246-204 interconference this regular season is a 45-37 pace over 82 games. Strip out the Spurs and Warriors (both 25-5 vs. East) and the West is still over .500 at 196-194.

Also, Cleveland was 16-14 against the West this year. Not very good.

[DPG21920]

The West is still significantly better than the East. 246-204 interconference this regular season is a 45-37 pace over 82 games. Strip out the Spurs and Warriors (both 25-5 vs. East) and the West is still over .500 at 196-194.

Also, Cleveland was 16-14 against the West this year. Not very good.

I was talking about Lebron vs the West over the past 5-7 years. Didn't mean just CLE.

[cjw]

I was talking about Lebron vs the West over the past 5-7 years.

Fair enough. He did take it easy this year after all.

Gap has narrowed a bit between the conferences but still has a way to go. Perhaps a descimated Clippers team will help flip the balance.

[DPG21920]

Fair enough. He did take it easy this year after all.

Gap has narrowed a bit between the conferences but still has a way to go. Perhaps a descimated Clippers team will help flip the balance.

We shall see. I was truly hoping Cousins and KD went East, but of course not.

[cjw]

We shall see. I was truly hoping Cousins and KD went East, but of course not.

KD could have won a title with either Washington or Boston this year. Not saying he would have, but he certainly could have. Hard to argue either team would have been far below last year's OKC team.

Could have become a legend in either city - especially DC. But he took the easy route.

Cousins could still happen next offseason or sooner if the Pels fall apart.

[cd98]

KD could have won a title with either Washington or Boston this year. Not saying he would have, but he certainly could have. Hard to argue either team would have been far below last year's OKC team.

Could have become a legend in either city - especially DC. But he took the easy route.

Cousins could still happen next offseason or sooner if the Pels fall apart.

Cousins is good enough to coach kill Pop, especially at Pop's age.

[cjw]

Cousins is good enough to coach kill Pop, especially at Pop's age.

Didn't mean to the Spurs... meant to a team out East.

More realistically:

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[ace3g]

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[tonight...you]

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That would be a good get for that team, imo.

[spursistan]

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Celtics about to form their own "Superteam": they are going all in with Butler and potentially Hayward or Griffin..

[sasaint]

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Celtics about to form their own "Superteam": they are going all in with Butler and potentially Hayward or Griffin..

The Celts need to put all of their assets to use. They mostly have squandered their recent riches. This could be the year they make a big move to put them in the elite class.

[sasaint]

That would be a good get for that team, imo.

Butler would be a great get for anybody. I wanted the Spurs to offer LMA for him last off-season before this season devalued LMA. Last off-season - even up to the trade deadline - I think that was doable. Would love to see Kawhi and Butler paired.

[GSH]

KD could have won a title with either Washington or Boston this year.


Meh. Maybe. But only because GSW wouldn't have had KD. His best shot was doing exactly what he did. I don't care if it was the "easy" route. If your priority is to get a ring, why would you go with anything other than the very best chance at getting one?

[Ice009]

You probably realize how foolish this is, right? I mean, teams out East have had years and years to try and beat Lebron and build for that and they could not do it. It's not because the "East sucks". It's because of how great Lebron is.

To even further demonstrate this point, Lebron drags CLE to finals, leaves them and they become pretty much the WORST TEAM in the East. That same EAST you are saying is so easy. The team he joins? They just so happen to win multiple titles. He leaves that team and what happens? Back to the lottery while his current team wins a title and goes to multiple finals.

It's not that hard to see the constant there.

So are you saying that Tim Duncan couldn't have done the same thing if he went up against the teams Lebron has gone up against in the East? I think if the Spurs were based out East and went up against the exact same teams, the Spurs would have made more finals than Lebron.

For some weird reason, no one of note seems to want to go out East since Lebron's been there. Most of the top teams have been out West with a higher concentration of the best players being out West too. Are they all scared to go out East?

[Ice009]

Butler would be a great get for anybody. I wanted the Spurs to offer LMA for him last off-season before this season devalued LMA. Last off-season - even up to the trade deadline - I think that was doable. Would love to see Kawhi and Butler paired.

I wanted to get Butler too. Can't remember if I wanted to include LMA, though. I think my package was a bit less (in other words, not realistic for the Bulls to be interested). HarlemHeat or someone said he'd be redundant here with Kawhi. I disagre. I think he would have been a good pairing with Kawhi.

[BatManu20]

Baby Kawhi.

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[spursistan]

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This is actually happening..

[Mr. Body]

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Celtics about to form their own "Superteam": they are going all in with Butler and potentially Hayward or Griffin..

Glad you used quotes. The league has gone shitty if that's a super team.

[CGD]

Glad you used quotes. The league has gone shitty if that's a super team.

If they land butler the target becomes Blake over Hayward, no?

[tonight...you]

If they land butler the target becomes Blake over Hayward, no?
I guess Hayward is less of a lateral move for that team...

[sasaint]

Glad you used quotes. The league has gone shitty if that's a super team.

Call it what you want, but when the dust settles this offseason the Celts are likely going to end up being an elite team, leapfrogging both the Cavs and the Spurs as the top challenger to GS.

[tonight...you]

Call it what you want, but when the dust settles this offseason the Celts are likely going to end up being an elite team, leapfrogging both the Cavs and the Spurs as the top challenger to GS.
That amount of talent with the coach they have could definitely be Elite as hell.

[Hoops Czar]

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Horford, Thomas and Butler would go down as one of the worst super teams of all time.

[CGD]

Horford, Thomas and Butler would go down as one of the worst super teams of all time.

Not if you add Blake or Haywood

[BatManu20]

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[tonight...you]

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Cool shit. Great memories. At least fans of SOME teams get a chance to savor this. We sure as hell have.

And this team is San Antonio, who never was a threat, even in the 90's with Robinson, or with Gervin...
So many years of fans knowing the inevitable...

Now- Things have definitely been different. For quite a bit. Even with the Justice League relocating to Sanny Franny to this day.

[BatManu20]

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[Biggems]

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what is the skinny on Dangubic? I totally forgot all about him.

[Mr. Body]

Call it what you want, but when the dust settles this offseason the Celts are likely going to end up being an elite team, leapfrogging both the Cavs and the Spurs as the top challenger to GS.

I wouldn't pick that team over the Spurs, depending on our team's makeup. I see chemistry as a problem, plus they don't have an elite player.

[jermaine]

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Does Bonner have a podcast or anything??

[Leetonidas]

So it's official, Boston trades the #1 pick to Philly for the #3 and the Lakers 2018 pick and the kings 2019 pick (protected of course).....idk at some point ainge needs to cash in. If he really could've gotten either Butler or George and scoffed on it he truly is a dumbass

[Leetonidas]

I mean obviously those are solid building blocks for the future but theyre a win now team...what is he waiting for

[CGD]

So it's official, Boston trades the #1 pick to Philly for the #3 and the Lakers 2018 pick and the kings 2019 pick (protected of course).....idk at some point ainge needs to cash in. If he really could've gotten either Butler or George and scoffed on it he truly is a dumbass

I think he's about to cash in for Butler.

[Leetonidas]

I hope so. East would be more interesting and it would be good for the league

[TimDunkem]

Pretty sure Cs get Butler and the third pick will be going to the Bulls.

[sasaint]

I wouldn't pick that team over the Spurs, depending on our team's makeup. I see chemistry as a problem, plus they don't have an elite player.

The Celts are poised to acquire at least one elite player.

[cjw]

So it's official, Boston trades the #1 pick to Philly for the #3 and the Lakers 2018 pick and the kings 2019 pick (protected of course).....idk at some point ainge needs to cash in. If he really could've gotten either Butler or George and scoffed on it he truly is a dumbass

Turns out it's either the Lakers pick, or if it falls at 1 or 6-30 the Sixers keep it and send out the Kings pick. A ransom but not as big as initially thought.

[picnroll]

If Fultz turns out to be a Chris Paul generational player at his position it's a brilliant move by Philly.

[CGD]

If Fultz turns out to be a Chris Paul generational player at his position it's a brilliant move by Philly.

Agree, but I don't think the standard has to even be that high. Even if you get a Westbrook/Prime DRose lite it was the right move for Philly.

[coachmac87]

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[$pursDynasty]

The Celts are poised to acquire at least one elite player.
ahem I would say a very good player, there is a difference between max guys and the truly best in our sport. Elite players: LBJ, KingSlayer, KD, Chef, AD, KAT, the Beard, Russ and I might put those last two at the top of the next tier to be honest. The Celtics are not getting any of those players but they can land one or two from the next tier.

[CGD]

Paul George informed Pacers he's leaving and would prefer Lakers...

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What a dick move. Kills indianas leverage in negotiations.

[Chinook]

If I were NO, I'd turn around and sell the farm for PG. Hell, the Spurs should give as much as they can.

[Vic Petro]

Paul George informed Pacers he's leaving and would prefer Lakers...

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[SAGirl]

I prefer Paul George too.
Frankly if I am honest, I don't care for Lamarcus either. He's been mediocre and the stats hate him. At this point he makes guys around him worse. His ISO ball kills every one else rhythm and he's not good enough a it anymore. There's many reasons to dislike his game. I would be ready to just play a different style tbh. I don't care if it's George, CP Hayward etc. I prefer any other star to Lamarcus at this point. He's not what he's supposed to be for the team. I prefer Lee Anderson,Bertans, etc. Find a legit rim protector 5 and play small ball with George, Kiwi, backed up by Davis and KA. I seriously think the will be better off if they move on from LMA.

[spursistan]

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Tells you how much he cares about winning :lol..

He is going to wind up as the Melo of his generation: a superstar in the empty sense of the word whose actual on-court contributions were more relevant in his first stint in the small market team he agitated to leave.

.Also Kawhi now gets to son him four times a year..:lol

[picnroll]

Anybody signing George besides the Lakers is buying fools gold. You waste assets trading for a one year rental. George just threw the Pacers under the bus saying he's was doing it to be forthright with them. He's doing it to force a trade to the Lakers this year pennies on the dollar so they can sign him with Bird's rights in 2018 and have money to sign others like Lebron.

[DPG21920]

If I were NO, I'd turn around and sell the farm for PG. Hell, the Spurs should give as much as they can.

I think SA should do that. We know LA has all the leverage in the world vs IND so the best offer would likely come from a team willing to take the gamble.

Pau + 2018 1st RD Pick + Young Player they may like not named Murray for PG

[DPG21920]

Anybody signing George besides the Lakers is buying fools gold. You waste assets trading for a one year rental. George just threw the Pacers under the bus saying he's was doing it to be forthright with them. He's doing it to force a trade to the Lakers this year pennies on the dollar so they can sign him with Bird's rights in 2018 and have money to sign others like Lebron.

Agreed, but if the price is basically a late first rounder for a team like SA, why not? See how it works for one year and then if it goes great maybe he stays because you have bird rights. If not, LA has to sign him using cap space vs his rights. Put him in that situation.

[CGD]

Anybody signing George besides the Lakers is buying fools gold. You waste assets trading for a one year rental. George just threw the Pacers under the bus saying he's was doing it to be forthright with them. He's doing it to force a trade to the Lakers this year pennies on the dollar so they can sign him with Bird's rights in 2018 and have money to sign others like Lebron.

Agreed.

And it's short sided really. Before this statement he may have gotten his way, as Lakers may have been willing to move #2 to make it happen. Now?

[spursistan]

the dude is hell-bent on joining the shitty Lakers and some Spursfans wanting to make a move for this certified loser :lol..

[SAGirl]

He's putting pressure on Indiana which has not done right by him. They dismantled and treated badly his former teammates, ran them out of town. Put worse guys around him. Forced him to play a style he didn't like, etc. He wants out. I can't blame him. Indy mismanaged that team.

I wouldn't suggest him if I thought a Lamarcus costarred team would win a championship tbh.

[DPG21920]

Hopefully IND shops him to someone offering salary relief and a first round pick. Pau + 1st rounder works straight up

[Vic Petro]

George is either going to force a trade to LA now or play 80% in Indy trying to avoid injury. If the Lakers just send #28, a young player, and a protected future pick that should be enough. Who is beating that for an unmotivated 1 year rental

[Keepin' it real]

what is the skinny on Dangubic? I totally forgot all about him.

Spurs savior.

[SAGirl]

That said... if he behind closed doors was clear that he didn't want to join the Spurs I would lose interest.

Spurs haven't been rumored to be interested in any trades recently which is a shame...

[Nathan89]

Pau + late 1st rounder is the worst offer I've ever seen for a star player.

[DPG21920]

George is either going to force a trade to LA now or play 80% in Indy trying to avoid injury. If the Lakers just send #28, a young player, and a protected future pick that should be enough. Who is beating that for an unmotivated 1 year rental

Sure - if LA is offering comparable first round pick and a young player by all means do it. The question is Magic willing to lose a pick and young player for a guy he can sign for free?

[DPG21920]

That said... if he behind closed doors was clear that he didn't want to join the Spurs I would lose interest.

Spurs haven't been rumored to be interested in any trades recently which is a shame...

You will very likely never hear about SA trades. They are secretive

[cjw]

Agreed, but if the price is basically a late first rounder for a team like SA, why not? See how it works for one year and then if it goes great maybe he stays because you have bird rights. If not, LA has to sign him using cap space vs his rights. Put him in that situation.

My point on how few teams will try competing this year in a race to the bottom means it is realistic they get 25 cents on the dollar, hoping the Lakers pay 40 cents on the dollar (Russell, Nance, Deng's albatross and a future first when they're not as crappy). Could be a ploy as you and others mention to trade for his Bird rights too.

If it's Anderson, Pau and this year's first, I'd do it. But only once the FA smoke clears and they don't need that slot for CP3.

Don't forget that Indy has all its future first rounders so moving George now vs. at the deadline (for less) could help guarantee a higher pick in 2018.


Sure - if LA is offering comparable first round pick and a young player by all means do it. The question is Magic willing to lose a pick and young player for a guy he can sign for free?

Lakers don't have their pick this year anyway so no incentive to stink. But agree - might try waiting it out vs. pulling a Knicks/Melo trade and sending out multiple pieces.

[picnroll]

Ainge should see if Paul would sign with Boston and trade the three for him with a little filler like Crowder. Love to see Lakers' fans go nuts if the hated Celtics could scooped him up.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Tbh just trade for him and hope he stays. It's worked with other players before. If he goes to SA and sees how close he is to a title, he may see that wanting to go LA just cause it's home is dumb.

[SAGirl]

You will very likely never hear about SA trades. They are secretive
We did hear of LMA trade rumors that may have been a smokescreen. In the past there were rumors about Tony, though the guy traded was G.Hill. I don't want Spurs to stand pat... I probably will be disappointed. :-(

[Ice009]

He's putting pressure on Indiana which has not done right by him. They dismantled and treated badly his former teammates, ran them out of town. Put worse guys around him. Forced him to play a style he didn't like, etc. He wants out. I can't blame him. Indy mismanaged that team.

I wouldn't suggest him if I thought a Lamarcus costarred team would win a championship tbh.

Who did they dump to dismantle the team? Wasn't Paul George kind of responsible for dismantling the team? I thought I read/heard somewhere that he cheated with someones gf?

[GSH]

Tells you how much he cares about winning :lol..


I know Spur fans don't want to hear it, but the Lakers are in position to be good again, and very soon. Adding Paul George, this season or next, would put them right back in the mix. They were on a race to the bottom this season, to keep that lottery pick, but they also showed at times that they could play ball. Adding a couple of seasoned vets is just what they need.

[CGD]

Pau + late 1st rounder is the worst offer I've ever seen for a star player.

I mean, it's for a one year rental so not sure what significantly better deal Indy expects to get. Plus Lakers ain't giving them shit now.

That said I don't care for George. He's the SF version of LMA mentally. Butler on the other hand...

[SAGirl]

Who did they dump to dismantle the team? Wasn't Paul George kind of responsible for dismantling the team? I thought I read/heard somewhere that he cheated with someones gf?
Pretty much everyone.. Dworst left after Bird mistreated their center and pressured both. Traded G. Hill, etc.

[SAGirl]

I know Spur fans don't want to hear it, but the Lakers are in position to be good again, and very soon. Adding Paul George, this season or next, would put them right back in the mix. They were on a race to the bottom this season, to keep that lottery pick, but they also showed at times that they could play ball. Adding a couple of seasoned vets is just what they need.
Tend to agree. They will eventually clean house and start being relevant again. Their location is desirable. They have cap and have younger talent. They can get 1 or 2 stars soon. PG will attract someone else. Let's hope it's not Kiwi who is surrounded by a decrepit cast and a few youngsters Pop doesn't want to play unless the roof is on fire.

[GSH]

Turns out it's either the Lakers pick, or if it falls at 1 or 6-30 the Sixers keep it and send out the Kings pick. A ransom but not as big as initially thought.

I don't remember seeing a pick protected that way before. So if the Lakers get the #1 pick, it stays with Philly. If they get the 2-5 pick, it goes to Boston, and lower than 5 it stays with Philly? That's strange as hell, and a lot riding on some ping pong balls.

The early rumors I read said that Philly was including Embiid in the trade, and I couldn't believe that they would do that. I guess that part is dead now, anyway, if it was really ever in play? I guess if you're Boston (Ainge) and you're dead set on drafting Jackson anyway, getting him and another first round pick in the next year or two makes sense. Boston is already good enough that they can be selective about the kind of player they want to add.

And Philly has stockpiled so many picks for so long, getting a chance to put two #1 picks in a row on the roster would seem like a good use of one. Of course, Cleveland called the first name in three out of four consecutive drafts, plus they had two #4 picks during that same four-year stretch. AND they added LeBron James.

[picnroll]

All of this is long planned player collusion. Paul and Lebron will end up on the Lakers. In the works for probably well over a year. Small market owners who are in the majority need to clean up player manipulated movement and lack of league wide competitiveness. Same goes for Hinkie/Philly style "team building". I liked to see that there's a limit to number of consecutive years you can be in the lottery before you get penalized for being incompetent or for working the system. Too bad NBA can't follow NFL salary cap rules or team relegation like European soccer.

[Snaq O'Meal]

All of this is long planned player collusion. Paul and Lebron will end up on the Lakers. In the works for probably well over a year. Small market owners who are in the majority need to clean up player manipulated movement and lack of league wide competitiveness. Same goes for Hinkie/Philly style "team building". I liked to see that there's a limit to number of consecutive years you can be in the lottery before you get penalized for being incompetent or for working the system. Too bad NBA can't follow NFL salary cap rules or team relegation like European soccer.

Team relegations wont work in the NBA. There are not enough teams to create a lower division. More crucially, soccer fans are team fans who will stick with their teams through adversity and relegation, while many NBA fans are player fans or front runners who will stop buying tickets once their teams drop to the lower division.

[CGD]

All of this is long planned player collusion. Paul and Lebron will end up on the Lakers. In the works for probably well over a year. Small market owners who are in the majority need to clean up player manipulated movement and lack of league wide competitiveness. Same goes for Hinkie/Philly style "team building". I liked to see that there's a limit to number of consecutive years you can be in the lottery before you get penalized for being incompetent or for working the system. Too bad NBA can't follow NFL salary cap rules or team relegation like European soccer.

I agree that there should be a cap on how many season a team can tank, but the real issue is the draft incentives. In fact, Philly is actually showing that gaming the system works.

[Down Under]

Hopefully IND shops him to someone offering salary relief and a first round pick. Pau + 1st rounder works straight up
That would be gold. Can always dream

[Maddog]

I agree that there should be a cap on how many season a team can tank, but the real issue is the draft incentives. In fact, Philly is actually showing that gaming the system works.

It worked for GS, although not intentional
Look how many lottery picks they've had before striking gold


http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/draft.html

It worked for Cleveland to some extent also...

[BatManu20]

PG to the Cavs confirmed.

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[coachmac87]

PG to the Cavs confirmed.

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George will go to Cleveland this year unless Lakers give up something. Cavs will get another shot with George..if they fail to win a title both George and LeBron bolt

[Clipper Nation]

Anybody signing George besides the Lakers is buying fools gold. You waste assets trading for a one year rental.
I wouldn't be worried about that at all if the Clippers traded for him, tbh. He would still be playing and living in LA. He'd get to play for the team he grew up rooting for and wanted to be drafted by. Woj said he loved playing for Bird in Indy - we have Jerry West, who's a lot better as an executive than Bird was. And we have a better team than the Lakers. He'd have to be the dumbest douchebag in the NBA to walk away from that after a year to go to the suck-ass Lakers.

[SAGirl]

PG to the Cavs confirmed.

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:lol

[picnroll]

Check the date.

[SAGirl]

Check the date.
I did later. Lol he got me lol

[BatManu20]

Twitter is the best :lol


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[BatManu20]

The saga continues.


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[CGD]

I have no idea what that is. Are KD and Weatbrook in a social media fight?

KD is a soft and would probably do this, but I just can't see Westbrook doing that.

[Emperor]

What the hell is going on? Lol

[spursistan]

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Yeah sure Pacers :lol..

Teams are not giving up that much for 1 year rental of a 2nd tier star..

[cd98]

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Yeah sure Pacers :lol..

Teams are not giving up that much for 1 year rental of a 2nd tier star..


Hmmm, how about 2 firsts and Gasol (he was a starter). TBH after Kawhi trade, Pacers will never trade with us again.

PG and Kawhi would be an awesome pairing tho. PG can be beta and it won't matter bc Kawhi is alpha. And PG is mostly alpha and when he turns beta, he just defers to Kawhi.

[spursistan]

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[spursistan]

The saga continues.


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:lmao..

[Snaq O'Meal]

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Yeah sure Pacers :lol..

Teams are not giving up that much for 1 year rental of a 2nd tier star..

The Pacers should feel free to take all the Spurs starters not named Kawhi in exchange for PG. That's an instant contender there.

[DPG21920]

I know Spur fans don't want to hear it, but the Lakers are in position to be good again, and very soon. Adding Paul George, this season or next, would put them right back in the mix. They were on a race to the bottom this season, to keep that lottery pick, but they also showed at times that they could play ball. Adding a couple of seasoned vets is just what they need.

I disagree. PG is not the difference in 15 wins (where LA is and the playoffs). Their FO is still ultimatley run by in-house fighting family and that is bad. Magic has displayed some of the worst talent evaluation skills I have ever seen. Their lottery pick talent they are already basically willing to give up on (trade Randle, draft Lonzo or Fultz when they burned a top 3 pick on Russell, etc..).

I dont think it's that close tbh.

[CGD]

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Yeah sure Pacers :lol..

Teams are not giving up that much for 1 year rental of a 2nd tier star..

Yeah, no Pacers. I actually don't think that Pau + 29 deal is not that far off. Toss in Kyle so they get another young asset (and we avoid paying kyles next salary).

[noles1983]

I refuse to get my hopes up on any Spurs FA splash. They gonna trot out the same shitty lineup. Kawhi and a bunch of turds in a punch bowl.

[DPG21920]

I refuse to get my hopes up on any Spurs FA splash. They gonna trot out the same shitty lineup. Kawhi and a bunch of turds in a punch bowl.

You mean the WCF Spurs? Those turds?

[Ice009]

Player trades can be made before the draft and free agency, right? You think the Pacers are trying to do something now?

I have a feeling the Pacers will try and move fast on a deal, if that is the case, the Spurs really need to get in on it.

If they strike out, they strike out, but they need to have a shot at trying to get him. The other problem the Spurs would have is, would the Pacers even deal with them after the Kawhi trade even if the package was a good one?

[DPG21920]

Player trades can be made before the draft and free agency, right? You think the Pacers are trying to do something now?

I have a feeling the Pacers will try and move fast on a deal, if that is the case, the Spurs really need to get in on it.

If they strike out, they strike out, but they need to have a shot at trying to get him. The other problem the Spurs would have is, would the Pacers even deal with them after the Kawhi trade even if the package was a good one?

Yes - you can make trades before the draft and FA.

[GSH]

I disagree. PG is not the difference in 15 wins (where LA is and the playoffs). Their FO is still ultimatley run by in-house fighting family and that is bad. Magic has displayed some of the worst talent evaluation skills I have ever seen. Their lottery pick talent they are already basically willing to give up on (trade Randle, draft Lonzo or Fultz when they burned a top 3 pick on Russell, etc..).

I dont think it's that close tbh.



Sorry - I misunderstood you when I first read that. No, I don't think PG would automatically make a 15-win difference. But the Lakers were in full-on tank mode to keep their first round pick. They were better than the 26 wins they put up. At the end of the season, they were sweating that bottom 3 finish, and it got downright comical watching them work to lose games. And they didn't play a lick of defense all season - which is what you do when you are tanking a whole season. Let your guys improve on offense, and play matador on the other end.

The Lakers could have won 33-35 last season, if they were scratching for wins. I don't think there is any question about it really. Throw a #2 pick plus Paul George into that, and .500 isn't out of the question at all.

[SAGirl]

Sorry - I misunderstood you when I first read that. No, I don't think PG would automatically make a 15-win difference. But the Lakers were in full-on tank mode to keep their first round pick. They were better than the 26 wins they put up. At the end of the season, they were sweating that bottom 3 finish, and it got downright comical watching them work to lose games. And they didn't play a lick of defense all season - which is what you do when you are tanking a whole season. Let your guys improve on offense, and play matador on the other end.

The Lakers could have won 33-35 last season, if they were scratching for wins. I don't think there is any question about it really. Throw a #2 pick plus Paul George into that, and .500 isn't out of the question at all.
Yes, I had forgotten they traded one of their best offensive players to the Rockets to lose harder, benched Dsnitch bc he was still helping win games. They kept benching their best youngsters towards the end of the season.

[cjw]

Yes, I had forgotten they traded one of their best offensive players to the Rockets to lose harder, benched Dsnitch bc he was still helping win games. They kept benching their best youngsters towards the end of the season.

I'm surprised the players' union hasn't filed a complaint with them for shutting down Deng and Mozgov in order to lose games.

[SAGirl]

I'm surprised the players' union hasn't filed a complaint with them for shutting down Deng and Mozgov in order to lose games.
Not sure about their situation since I don't follow or care about the Lakers but maybe Mozgov and Deng didn't care if they weren't going to be FA...

[DPG21920]

Sorry - I misunderstood you when I first read that. No, I don't think PG would automatically make a 15-win difference. But the Lakers were in full-on tank mode to keep their first round pick. They were better than the 26 wins they put up. At the end of the season, they were sweating that bottom 3 finish, and it got downright comical watching them work to lose games. And they didn't play a lick of defense all season - which is what you do when you are tanking a whole season. Let your guys improve on offense, and play matador on the other end.

The Lakers could have won 33-35 last season, if they were scratching for wins. I don't think there is any question about it really. Throw a #2 pick plus Paul George into that, and .500 isn't out of the question at all.

Eh - I still don't totally agree. While at the same time you can say trading Lou is tanking (and it was) the reason they won many of their games is because teams didn't take them serious. So I think as many wins as you want to add back for tanking, you could subtract because teams just flat out didn't take them serious and got caught with Swaggy P hitting 8 3's.

[GSH]

Eh - I still don't totally agree. While at the same time you can say trading Lou is tanking (and it was) the reason they won many of their games is because teams didn't take them serious. So I think as many wins as you want to add back for tanking, you could subtract because teams just flat out didn't take them serious and got caught with Swaggy P hitting 8 3's.



Stalemate. But surely you agree that PG + the 2 pick would make them better?

I watched teams overlook the Lakers, come in and play like absolute dog shit, and the Lakers STILL forced their way to a loss. And .500 teams get overlooked all the time. They opened up the season 10-10, and teams weren't totally overlooking them then - and that's when they got really serious about tanking. But the biggest thing is that they literally didn't play defense.

Unfortunately for my argument, dumping Lou Williams is probably the biggest argument against my idea that they plan to get better in the near future. Well... that and the fact that Jerry West wanted to come back to LAla land, and they flipped him off and said "No thanks". I like Magic, and respect what he did as a player. I have my doubts about him running operations.

They won't be playing in a vacuum. Looking at the other teams in the West, they could wind up around .500 and be the 9 or 10 team. But there are a couple of teams like Portland, Memphis, and maybe even the Clippers (if West takes a 2-3 year approach to improve) that could fall to around .500 also. Then you're looking at the flip-flop of just a few RS games between 7 and 9.