Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[cd98]

Wow. Why are they doing that? Is he looking for too much money, or do they not consider him a great prospect anymore?

They need his cap hold to make their annual signing of a Spur backup center. This year, it's Dedmon.

[look_at_g_shred]

Simmons 3 for 27 with a team option for year 3 is what i'm guessing.

[Ice009]

Less money for Simmons with every new news

I'm kind of pissed off with Simmons. He should just sign a 3 year deal with a player option for year 3, and if he bets on himself and improves by then, he can still get an even bigger contract than he was looking for this season.

[GSH]

They need his cap hold to make their annual signing of a Spur backup center. This year, it's Dedmon.

:lol

[MannyIsGod]

I'm kind of pissed off with Simmons. He should just sign a 3 year deal with a player option for year 3, and if he bets on himself and improves by then, he can still get an even bigger contract than he was looking for this season.

Dude's bet on himself for quite awhile. He fucking paid for an NBDL tryout. He deserves to get paid.

[Ice009]

Simmons 3 for 27 with a team option for year 3 is what i'm guessing.

Wow. We just posted something similar, must be on the same wavelength regarding this one. I went with the player option instead of team option. I doubt he'd go for a team option because if he does great the Spurs will pick it up, but if it's a player option he can opt out and still try for a huge payday as he'd still be just under 30 years old by then.

[NASpurs]

And the Nets don't have to offer KCP a super big contract right? Seeing as there's really not going to be any competition for KCP with so many teams that had cap space having already used it. (assuming Atlanta doesn't match what the Knicks are offering Tim Hardaway Jr and the Wizards matching the Nets for Otto).

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[MannyIsGod]

Probably no way for the Spurs to do it, but I'd be OK with trading Green if they could somehow get KCP.

[buttsR4rebounding]

They need his cap hold to make their annual signing of a Spur backup center. This year, it's Dedmon.

:lol

[Ice009]

Dude's bet on himself for quite awhile. He fucking paid for an NBDL tryout. He deserves to get paid.

He NEVER would have had a chance at this payday if it wasn't for the Spurs. On 95% of the teams in the league he wouldn't have played this deep in the playoffs and gotten to show what he can do. IMO, he owes the Spurs a little bit of loyalty for that. Unless the Spurs are undercutting him, I don't think he should be putting them through the ringer trying to scrounge together a few extra dollars. Is he really getting massive offers? It doesn't sound like it.

[Joseph Kony]

I wouldn't mind KCP but we don't really need more guards unless we're trading Green or Simmons leaves. But him being a poor shooter isn't really that enticing

[Ice009]

I wouldn't mind KCP but we don't really need more guards unless we're trading Green or Simmons leaves. But him being a poor shooter isn't really that enticing

Yeah, I had a look at his shooting stats a couple of hours ago and changed my mind on being interested in getting rid of Green for him. How is his defense?

[MannyIsGod]

His true shooting isn't much lower than Danny's even though he was on a shit Detroit team.

[NASpurs]

I wouldn't mind KCP but we don't really need more guards unless we're trading Green or Simmons leaves. But him being a poor shooter isn't really that enticing

I was under the assumption that he was a pretty good shooter until you said he was otherwise and I had to look up his stats. Yikes.

[Mal]

So Detroit get Bradley from Boston for Morris and KCP.

[NASpurs]

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[MannyIsGod]

He NEVER would have had a chance at this payday if it wasn't for the Spurs. On 95% of the teams in the league he wouldn't have played this deep in the playoffs and gotten to show what he can do. IMO, he owes the Spurs a little bit of loyalty for that. Unless the Spurs are undercutting him, I don't think he should be putting them through the ringer trying to scrounge together a few extra dollars. Is he really getting massive offers? It doesn't sound like it.

What evidence do you have that he's putting them through the ringer? The Spurs might have told him to go out and get an offer sheet and they'd just match.

[MannyIsGod]

I was under the assumption that he was a pretty good shooter until you said he was otherwise and I had to look up his stats. Yikes.

Shot 38% from 3. Not amazing, but really on a bad team that's not terrible. He's not going to be asked to produce as much on a team like the Spurs and those numbers will go way up.

[Kurik]

I was under the assumption that he was a pretty good shooter until you said he was otherwise and I had to look up his stats. Yikes.

I mean Green's % isn't much better, KCP's overall skill set on offense is much better. Not great on defense but not terrible either.

[MannyIsGod]

What is it that some of you like about a 6'5" guy whose career EFT% is below .480, and who can't get to the FT line for shit? If it's about potential, we've got plenty of that under contract right now.

legit loled

[Ice009]

What evidence do you have that he's putting them through the ringer? The Spurs might have told him to go out and get an offer sheet and they'd just match.

The thread about him being offered 9 million per year type of contract. You could be right, but if he was offered a contract by the Spurs, then he is definitely trying to scrounge up as much dollars as he can get.

His best bet is to sign for 3 years and get a player option on year 3. He can then build upon what he did at the end of last season and then go for a massive payday when he's 29. There's really no need to lock himself in to a 4 year contract right now.

[8FOR!3]

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Ehh if he doesn't sign this year I'm done with him as a Spurs prospect. He's in his prime now and I don't see him getting any better. No thanks.

[Clipper Nation]

Wow. Why are they doing that? Is he looking for too much money, or do they not consider him a great prospect anymore?
SVG fucked up their cap space to the point where they couldn't afford him.

[Ice009]

The Spurs, being the Spurs, probably told him just about that. "Get the best deal you can for yourself. If we can possibly match, we will. If we can't, go get paid." Hell, Pop had to tell Boban to go with the bigger deal, rather than trying to stay here for a LOT less.

I doubt Pop would have turned Boban down if he really, really wanted to keep him. If Simmons said the same to Pop and wanted to sign for cheap, I'm pretty sure he'd be signed right now. Pop would still give him a fair deal, but yeah, if he wanted to sign cheap, I'm pretty sure it would already be done. He wouldn't be telling him to go try and get more money elsewhere if he wanted to do what Boban requested.

[MannyIsGod]

For the record, I don't think the Spurs ever offered Simmons 9 million per.

[MaNu4Tres]

For the record, I don't think the Spurs ever offered Simmons 9 million per.

I could see it on a 2+ 1 ( team option).

[RodNIc91]

Crowder, who I would like to have (pipe dream) is a SF. But Simmons is still in play, and we have a plethora of combos.

Besides Kawhi and possibly Simmons, which other combos do we have? I'm not counting neither Anderson nor Gay. I would love Crowder too, since it would allow Kawhi playing the 2 on offense.

[MannyIsGod]

Well I hope Buford will fuck up the Spurs' cap space, so they can't afford him. Preferably with someone good, but that part's optional.

I love Danny Green, but he's peaked, IMO. I'm OK with keeping him at his price (I still think its very good value) and I think he's far from done, but I'd flip him for a younger scorer at the SG position that has potential like KCP. That would be a pretty good upgrade at the position.

[ace3g]

Jabari Young @JabariJYoung
(https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung) 5m (https://twitter.com/JabariJYoung/status/883366030990602240)
Last few days in Utah, kept hearing how #Celtics (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Celtics) were intrigued by #Spurs (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Spurs) free agent Dewayne Dedmon...wonder if the interest is mutual

[MannyIsGod]

I could see it on a 2+ 1 ( team option).

If he signs for less than that we'll know it was BS. But if he signs for that now, then I'll believe it.

[Joseph Kony]

Yeah, I had a look at his shooting stats a couple of hours ago and changed my mind on being interested in getting rid of Green for him. How is his defense?
He is a solid defensive player, but for the price I'd rather just keep Green (if the Spurs keep simmons)

[Joseph Kony]

Shot 38% from 3. Not amazing, but really on a bad team that's not terrible. He's not going to be asked to produce as much on a team like the Spurs and those numbers will go way up.
Where do you get 38% from?

4 seasons:

.319
.345
.309
.350

Overall .334.

[MannyIsGod]

I thought we were talking abut KCP? Danny is a good piece, especially at this price in this market. If they traded him as part of a deal for a truly exciting player? I could live with it. But he sure as hell isn't a dump.

How did this turn into a discussion of Danny again? Someone talking about substituting him for Danny? Ummm... not even close.

The only way the Spurs would be able to bring in someone like KCP at this point is through moving Green, most likely.

[sasaint]

Besides Kawhi and possibly Simmons, which other combos do we have? I'm not counting neither Anderson nor Gay. I would love Crowder too, since it would allow Kawhi playing the 2 on offense.

What kind of combo? Gay is a combo 4/3 for us. Murray, White, Forbes all have a mix of PG/SG skills. And, of course, Patty...

[Dverde]

For the money KCP they would have to move parker and that is not happening. Moving Green maybe gets you enough for Gerald Henderson or Brandon Jennings tier.

[SuperCam]

Zack Lowe calls it like it is tbh


Losers: Runners-up standing patThe Spurs had grander plans than signing Rudy Gay (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3005/rudy-gay), coming off an Achilles tear, and bringing back the rest of the band. Gay could unlock more Warriors-specific small-ball lineups, but it doesn't feel like enough to compete with Golden State.





Damn didn't even mention the Fatty panic signing :bang

[Nathan89]

Zack Lowe calls it like it is tbh




Damn didn't even mention the Fatty panic signing :bang

Lowe said Patty was good value.

[SuperCam]

Lowe said Patty was good value.

That was before better contracts for better players were signed.

[FkLA]

The thread about him being offered 9 million per year type of contract. You could be right, but if he was offered a contract by the Spurs, then he is definitely trying to scrounge up as much dollars as he can get.

His best bet is to sign for 3 years and get a player option on year 3. He can then build upon what he did at the end of last season and then go for a massive payday when he's 29. There's really no need to lock himself in to a 4 year contract right now.

Why? He's been making peanuts relative to other NBA players, has 4 kids already, may never have another playoff run like he just had, and could get injured. He should try to cash in and get as much guaranteed money as possible. Set himself and his kids up for life.

[Nathan89]

That was before better contracts for better players were signed.

Did he say that or are you saying that? Regardless he said it was good value at the time.

[raybies]

S&T for Smart or Crowder?

[MannyIsGod]

Wow Evans for 3 million is a damn good deal. What the fuck.

[tdunk21]

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[vy65]

P:loltty Mills
G:loly
Sp:lolrs

[MannyIsGod]

I want Simmons to get paid, but the Spurs better not give him 9 mil per if the market for Evans is at 3 mil per.

[RD2191]

883386535768453124

Crofl and we're paying fatty mills how much? :lmao

[vy65]

Crofl and we're paying fatty mills how much? :lmao

About 4x as much

[Chinook]

Lowe sucks dick when it comes to rating the Spurs. I thought we'd realized this by now.

[Nathan89]

883386535768453124:wow

[NASpurs]

883386535768453124

Fuuuuuuck...

[Robz4000]

:lmao PATFO

[Ice009]

WHAT THE FUCK. I am still fucking pissed. That deal is looking worse and worse by the minute. Fuck Simmons too. If he wants too much, he can take a hike.

All you idiots telling me he's got 4 daughters, how much fucking money does he need to feed those daughters? How much money does he need to set them up?

[Nathan89]

That Evans contract should definitely influence Simmons value. Both are awful shooters. Simmons is a better defender though so he should get more. Probably split the difference between Evans and Roberson at 7m.

[MannyIsGod]

WHAT THE FUCK. I am still fucking pissed. That deal is looking worse and worse by the minute. Fuck Simmons too. If he wants too much, he can take a hike.

All you idiots telling me he's got 4 daughters, how much fucking money does he need to feed those daughters? How much money does he need to set them up?

Simmons doesn't owe you shit dude.

[Nathan89]

All you idiots telling me he's got 4 daughters, how much fucking money does he need to feed those daughters? How much money does he need to set them up?
:lol

[Ice009]

Simmons doesn't owe you shit dude.

Who said he owes me anything? He owes the Spurs.

If it was me negotiating, right about now, I'd tell him to take my offer or leave it. It's time to move on.

[SuperCam]

another Western Conference front office making PATFO look stupid for that Fatty panic signing :lmao

[RD2191]

another Western Conference front office making PATFO look stupid for that Fatty panic signing :lmao

:lmao

[Atl Spur]

That Evans contract should definitely influence Simmons value. Both are awful shooters. Simmons is a better defender though so he should get more. Probably split the difference between Evans and Roberson at 7m.

Quit counting other dudes dollars🙄

[vy65]

12::lol1 a.m.

[SuperCam]

Did he say that or are you saying that? Regardless he said it was good value at the time.

he said that right after it happened only because espn by default are inclined to lick PATFO ass and any move they make just like they do with the patriots. if he still felt it was good he would have mentioned it somewhere but any idiot can see they panicked given the signings that have since transpired.

[Mr. Body]

Maybe, and hear me out here, Tyreke Evans is a shitty player.

[TimDunkem]

another Western Conference front office making PATFO look stupid for that Fatty panic signing :lmao
Might as well have signed Tyreke if we're looking for guys who can't shoot when it counts. At least Tyreke can handle a ball, distribute, and get to the rim without being spoon fed on cuts. :lmao

[look_at_g_shred]

As long he didn't got to GSW/HOU/OKC

[RD2191]

Maybe, and hear me out here, Tyreke Evans is a shitty player.

Maybe, and hear me out here, you're a faggot.

[TimDunkem]

Maybe, and hear me out here, Tyreke Evans is a shitty player.
Leave it to Mr.Body to put every other player in the league down while overrating his own team's players.

Has it ever occurred to you that, maybe, and hear me out here, you're a stupid fat fuck and Patty sucks balls too just like you and your mother? Kill yourself, Body of Fat.

[Ice009]

Maybe, and hear me out here, you're a faggot.

Joto!

[MannyIsGod]

Maybe, and hear me out here, Tyreke Evans is a shitty player.

He's a shitty player for a main guy on a team, but as a bench scorer he's pretty good. 20 minutes a game to get you double digit points? Worth well more than 3 million a year.

[TimDunkem]

Body of Shit is one of the worst posters on this forum. :lol

[Nathan89]

he said that right after it happened only because espn by default are inclined to lick PATFO ass and any move they make just like they do with the patriots. if he still felt it was good he would have mentioned it somewhere but any idiot can see they panicked given the signings that have since transpired.

No, he didn't need to mention it anywhere. Even if that was a good contract Spurs bringing back the same team is in general not going to be seen as a good off season when GSW is already far more talented than us. Don't need to prolong the conversation though. Just brought it up because Lowe basically praised the contract at the time and you were saying he didn't even mention the "bad" Patty contract.

[td4mvp2k]

He's a shitty player for a main guy on a team, but as a bench scorer he's pretty good. 20 minutes a game to get you double digit points? Worth well more than 3 million a year.
i would of took him 5 yrs ago but hes sucks now tbh

[rastaspur]

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The spurs could have used Evans this year. Memphis gets him on a year rehab contract for 3 mil.

Spurs give rudy a team option for year 2 at about 8.5 million. So if rudy is still not effective and fully recovered from his injury then the spurs are paying him almost 3 times the rate for year 1 and he will opt in to year 2 if he doesn't bounce back from the injury.

What a shitty fucking contract in comparison to evans.

[coachmac87]

Body of Shit is one of the worst posters on this forum. :lol

You're probably Top 5

[FkLA]

Who said he owes me anything? He owes the Spurs.

If it was me negotiating, right about now, I'd tell him to take my offer or leave it. It's time to move on.

:lol

You realize Pop himself would tell him to take the money just like he did with Boban, right? Life is more important than basketball, dummy.

[loveforthegame]

Damn good deal for Evans. Wow.

[Joseph Kony]

"he owes the Spurs" :lmao :lmao gtfo with this hot garbage take, he doesnt owe the spurs or anyone else jack shit

Just saw Wizards withdrew QO from Bogdanovic

[TimDunkem]

You're probably Top 5
Is that what your sources told you? :lmao

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski (https://twitter.com/wojespn) (https://twitter.com/wojespn) @wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn)


Free agent Bojan Bogdanovic has agreed to a two-year, $21M deal with the Indiana Pacers, league source tells ESPN.
1:46pm · 7 Jul 2017 (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883396703071731712) · Twitter Web Client (http://twitter.com)

[Joseph Kony]

that was fast :lol

[Dverde]

Simmons doesn't owe you shit dude.

Truth

[Dverde]

Spurs have never shown interest in Tyreke. My guess is they didn't even reach out.

[Big Empty]

Spurs have never shown interest in Tyreke. My guess is they didn't even reach out.

I can't believe we didn't hear any interest in A Bradley.

[Dverde]

I can't believe we didn't hear any interest in A Bradley.
His 9 mil salary is the biggest hurdle. My guess is pop would rather keep Green over him. Spurs still going to give Pau a bunch of money.

[Spurs9]

Read that as Boban at first :lol

[Ice009]

:lol

You realize Pop himself would tell him to take the money just like he did with Boban, right? Life is more important than basketball, dummy.

Pop, the guy who drives down player's numbers during the season so he can try and sign them for a cheaper price? That same Pop?

Tony Parker telling Dedmon after he has a game with a big double double - what are you doing, we're trying to re-sign you.

[Russ]

I can't believe we didn't hear any interest in A Bradley.

He's not a great outside shooter at the two guard -- that's the only basketball (as opposed to salary, etc.) reason I can think of.

[FkLA]

"he owes the Spurs" :lmao :lmao gtfo with this hot garbage take, he doesnt owe the spurs or anyone else jack shit

Just saw Wizards withdrew QO from Bogdanovic

:lol No shit. It's not like the Spurs gave him his other worldly athleticism and his ability to get to the basket. The Spurs took a low risk-high reward gamble on a guy with potential and Juice seized that opportunity. He deserves to take all the money that comes his way.

[Ice009]

:lol No shit. It's not like the Spurs gave him his other worldly athleticism and his ability to get to the basket. The Spurs took a low risk-high reward gamble on a guy with potential and Juice seized that opportunity. He deserves to take all the money that comes his way.

lol, he was a fucking mess. Sure he had athleticism, but that didn't get him anywhere until the Spurs signed him. The Spurs worked hard to help clean up his game. On another team, he probably would have been out of the league by now, or if not, certainly not in position to make this kind of money IMO.

[FkLA]

Pop, the guy who drives down player's numbers during the season so he can try and sign them for a cheaper price? That same Pop?

Tony Parker telling Dedmon after he has a game with a big double double - what are you doing, we're trying to re-sign you.

That's an assumption. Him telling Boban to take the money and run is a confirmed fact. Him valuing life over basketball is well documented.

[FkLA]

lol, he was a fucking mess. Sure he had athleticism, but that didn't get him anywhere until the Spurs signed him. The Spurs worked hard to help clean up his game. On another team, he probably would have been out of the league by now, or if not, certainly not in position to make this kind of money IMO.

And he rewarded the time they put into him by outperforming the bargain deal he was on. He was a key player during the WCF run on like a 500k salary. He doesn't owe them shit anymore.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Jabari Young @JabariJYoung
5m
Last few days in Utah, kept hearing how #Celtics were intrigued by #Spurs free agent Dewayne Dedmon...wonder if the interest is mutual

Boston's checking couch cushions to get enough money under the cap to get Gordon in, and they're somehow going to get Dedmon too? :lmao Come on Jabari, use your brain.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I want Simmons to get paid, but the Spurs better not give him 9 mil per if the market for Evans is at 3 mil per.

Manny preaching. Would take Evans and run for three million per.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 5m (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883404145037791233)
Sources: Clippers meeting with two free agent centers today: Willie Reed and Jeff Withey.

[sasaint]

:lol No shit. It's not like the Spurs gave him his other worldly athleticism and his ability to get to the basket. The Spurs took a low risk-high reward gamble on a guy with potential and Juice seized that opportunity. He deserves to take all the money that comes his way.

Truth! I just hope the Spurs make him the best offer.

[noles1983]

Evans goes for 3 mil and we pay that fuck Patty Mills 4/50? :shootme

[ducks]

Evans goes for 3 mil and we pay that fuck Patty Mills 4/50? :shootme

knicks offerering thr 72 millin

[Mnky]

lol, he was a fucking mess. Sure he had athleticism, but that didn't get him anywhere until the Spurs signed him. The Spurs worked hard to help clean up his game. On another team, he probably would have been out of the league by now, or if not, certainly not in position to make this kind of money IMO.

Spurs jumped on him as soon as they could. He played one game and got an offer, I think he was on his way to a summer league game for another team when they offered. If they hadn't, he was definitely making a team and could have had more playing time to develop on a worse team.

He doesn't owe them anything, they didn't invite him to try out, he paid his own way. He deserves all the credit and rewards on his own.

[spurraider21]

Evans contract is such a bargain for memphis. We're going to pay Simmons 3x that to retain him and Evans is the better player right now. (though price tag is based on evans' durability issue)

[tholdren]

Evans contract is such a bargain for memphis. We're going to pay Simmons 3x that to retain him and Evans is the better player right now. (though price tag is based on evans' durability issue)

Bargain, but evans isnt that much better. Dude played for like 9 crappy teams last year. Just pay simmons for a few years, you know what youre getting, and he will work hard.

[tbdog]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 5m (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883404145037791233)
Sources: Clippers meeting with two free agent centers today: Willie Reed and Jeff Withey.




Damn, I want reed.

[Nathan89]

knicks offerering thr 72 millin

Comparing our contract to the knicks:lol

[cjw]

Went team by team on who has cap space available to give Simmons an offer sheet... still are eight teams looming with potentially dangerous amounts of cap space.

Above cap and tax (only tax MLE to offer at $5.2 million:
- CLE, POR, TOR, WAS (once Porter matched), and MIL
- GSW, LAC, and DET either have no remaining MLE or limited

Above cap but at or below tax:
- HOU (already used MLE)
- OKC (but full MLE would put them above apron, so effectively tax payer)
- CHA (already used MLE)
- MEM (already used MLE)
- NOP ... full MLE
- UTA could operate above cap and have full MLE; otherwise limited to $4.3mm room exception

At cap and likely limited to room exception
- MIA
- NYK (assuming Atlanta doesn't match)
- MIN
- BOS
- UTA also could get under cap by cutting Diaw, but could mean less money to spend than staying above

Cap space below full MLE - also have room exception:
- DEN
- IND

Higher cap space - also have room exception:
- DAL ($9.5mm) keeping Noel hold and shedding unguaranteed deals
- SAC ($12.0mm) renouncing Lawson
- CHI ($12.5mm) keeping Mirotic and Lauvergne holds but dumping Morrow
- PHX ($13.1mm) keeping Len hold but renouncing others ... could increase by signing Len to less money
- ORL ($14.5mm) assuming everyone is renounced / unguaranteed deals are cut
- PHI ($15.0mm) assuming everyone renounced and McConnell and Holmes are NOT cut
- ATL ($15.5mm) assuming everyone renounced and Hardaway is not matched
- LAL ($17.2mm) assuming everyone renounced
- BKN ($35.0mm) assuming everyone renounced / unguaranteed deals are cut / Porter matched

[TheDoctor]

Nice work CJW :tu


Went team by team on who has cap space available to give Simmons an offer sheet... still are eight teams looming with potentially dangerous amounts of cap space.

Above cap and tax (only tax MLE to offer at $5.2 million:
- CLE, POR, TOR, WAS (once Porter matched), and MIL
- GSW, LAC, and DET either have no remaining MLE or limited

Above cap but at or below tax:
- HOU (already used MLE)
- OKC (but full MLE would put them above apron, so effectively tax payer)
- CHA (already used MLE)
- MEM (already used MLE)
- NOP ... full MLE
- UTA could operate above cap and have full MLE; otherwise limited to $4.3mm room exception

At cap and likely limited to room exception
- MIA
- NYK (assuming Atlanta doesn't match)
- MIN
- BOS
- UTA also could get under cap by cutting Diaw, but could mean less money to spend than staying above

Cap space below full MLE - also have room exception:
- DEN
- IND

Higher cap space - also have room exception:
- DAL ($9.5mm) keeping Noel hold and shedding unguaranteed deals
- SAC ($12.0mm) renouncing Lawson
- CHI ($12.5mm) keeping Mirotic and Lauvergne holds but dumping Morrow
- PHX ($13.1mm) keeping Len hold but renouncing others ... could increase by signing Len to less money
- ORL ($14.5mm) assuming everyone is renounced / unguaranteed deals are cut
- PHI ($15.0mm) assuming everyone renounced and McConnell and Holmes are NOT cut
- ATL ($15.5mm) assuming everyone renounced and Hardaway is not matched
- LAL ($17.2mm) assuming everyone renounced
- BKN ($35.0mm) assuming everyone renounced / unguaranteed deals are cut / Porter matched

[ace3g]

Keith Smith @KeithSmithNBA
(https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA) 46s (https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/883433522211332096)
The Atlanta Hawks have renounced the free agent rights to Ersan Ilyasova.

[Emperor]

Keith Smith @KeithSmithNBA
(https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA) 46s (https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/883433522211332096)
The Atlanta Hawks have renounced the free agent rights to Ersan Ilyasova.




It's happening!

[Chinook]

It's happening!

Something is. Probably an Atlanta signing. Simmons?

[NASpurs]

Keith Smith @KeithSmithNBA
(https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA) 46s (https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/883433522211332096)
The Atlanta Hawks have renounced the free agent rights to Ersan Ilyasova.




I'll take one Ersan "Ilyasofa" please.

[MaNu4Tres]

I'll take one Ersan "Ilyasofa" please.

Bertans >

[Dverde]

No thanks on Erson; he's been passed around the NBA more than a Kardashian.

[Emperor]

Ersan>Kyle

[Dverde]

The broom in Fantasia>Kyle

[TimDunkem]

The broom in Fantasia>Kyle
:lmao

[SpurPadre]

Blair>Kyle

[Chinook]

Bertans >

Not than Erasan, no.

[Joseph Kony]

Wouldn't mind Ilyasova off the bench. Would rather have someone like Mirotic or D-Mo instead for that role though

[Ron Swanson]

Keith Smith @KeithSmithNBA
(https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA) 46s (https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/883433522211332096)
The Atlanta Hawks have renounced the free agent rights to Ersan Ilyasova.






Do it, RC!

[tonight...you]

Wouldn't mind Ilyasova off the bench. Would rather have someone like Mirotic or D-Mo instead for that role though
Would like to see DMo here on a 1 year flyer, on the super-cheap... Just to see how it goes.

[r0drig0lac]

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[NASpurs]

Wasn't DMo linked with the Spurs like in mid-June?

[tonight...you]

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I'd trust Pick. He's like the Euro-Sham.

[jermaine]

883442253598994433

I like this dude... ive watched his videos.

[tonight...you]

Schwing. I should look him up. Go Youtube?

[NASpurs]

The dream is dead

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[Ron Swanson]

The dream is dead

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Damn. He was the missing piece to get us to the top again.

[tonight...you]

The dream is dead

883444046563229696
There went the "Needle Pusher".

[MaNu4Tres]

Not than Erasan, no.

Overall for the price, yes. They have same skill sets. Bertans just needs time and he's close ability wise.

[tholdren]

Damn. He was the missing piece to get us to the top again.

Lol hes fatter than parker and aldridge

[Chinook]

Overall for the price, yes. They have same skill sets. Bertans just needs time and he's close ability wise.

What's the price? And Bertans has a long way to go before he can board like Ersan.

[Chinook]

Damn. He was the missing piece to get us to the top again.

I was looking forward to seeing him screen for the Spurs' guards.

[MaNu4Tres]

What's the price? And Bertans has a long way to go before he can board like Ersan.


Bertans is making less than vet minimum. Ersan is probably going for 8-10 mil per considering Bogdanovic deal.

If Spurs can get Ersan for vet minimum, or exception, sure by all means.

[south side spur]

I'd trust Pick. He's like the Euro-Sham.

Yeah after those initial reports that Milutinov was meeting with the Spurs instead of playing for Serbia I checked the internet and this motherfucker is on vacation.

[TheDoctor]

What's the price? And Bertans has a long way to go before he can board like Ersan.

Bertans fragility and high centre of gravity don't help him much in that regard (boxing out/boards).

[Chinook]

Bertans fragility and high centre of gravity don't help him much in that regard (boxing out/boards).

Yeah. Ersan is way better. I'd totally S&T Simmons to the Hawks for him. Dude's a career 16/9 per-36 guy. If Gay is coming off the bench, I'd love him to start with LMA.

[Dex]

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[ace3g]

David Aldridge @daldridgetnt
(https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt) 3m (https://twitter.com/daldridgetnt/status/883458080213696512)
Following official buyout this afternoon from Hawks, Cleveland, Minnesota, Washington and the Lakers top teams in pursuit of Jamal Crawford.

[MaNu4Tres]

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No stay away. Hell no.

[Leetonidas]

Glad to not see the Spurs on that list. I might literally vomit if he ever signed here

[MaNu4Tres]

Yeah. Ersan is way better. I'd totally S&T Simmons to the Hawks for him. Dude's a career 16/9 per-36 guy. If Gay is coming off the bench, I'd love him to start with LMA.

Could careless about those per 36 stats on bad teams. It's about skillsets. While Ersan has a valuable skillset to a degree, the skill-set of Bertans is pretty damn close. Flipping Simmons for Ersan would be a mistake. Spurs need Simmons' perimeter defense off the bench, desperately. IMO That asset/ skillset is invaluable. Not to mention Simmons ability to get buckets when needed.

[Leetonidas]

Honestly don't think Simmons is that great of a defender. I like him and would like him back. But he is getting massively overrated based on a few games in the playoffs. And I'll take his body of work up to this point over a couple playoff games tbh

[Chinook]

Honestly don't think Simmons is that great of a defender. I like him and would like him back. But he is getting massively overrated based on a few games in the playoffs. And I'll take his body of work up to this point over a couple playoff games tbh

Simmons isn't that good on defense. That's something JVG made up. He's gotten better on that end, but he and Danny aren't in the same conversation, and Kyle runs circles around him (though it looks like he's walking).

[Chinook]

Could careless about those per 36 stats on bad teams. It's about skillsets. While Ersan has a valuable skillset to a degree, the skill-set of Bertans is pretty damn close. Flipping Simmons for Ersan would be a mistake. Spurs need Simmons' perimeter defense off the bench, desperately. IMO That asset/ skillset is invaluable. Not to mention Simmons ability to get buckets when needed.

The Spurs can bring in Hanga, who's very likely a (way) better defender than Simmons. Especially if Manu comes back, Simmons makes no sense. It's not even clear that he'd have a consistent rotation spot -- he's still the dude who lost his spot last season.

[tbdog]

The Spurs can bring in Hanga, who's very likely a (way) better defender than Simmons. Especially if Manu comes back, Simmons makes no sense. It's not even clear that he'd have a consistent rotation spot -- he's still the dude who lost his spot last season.

Don't you find it intimidating that Ersan has gone from team to team?

[tonight...you]

Could careless about those per 36 stats on bad teams. It's about skillsets. While Ersan has a valuable skillset to a degree, the skill-set of Bertans is pretty damn close. Flipping Simmons for Ersan would be a mistake. Spurs need Simmons' perimeter defense off the bench, desperately. IMO That asset/ skillset is invaluable. Not to mention Simmons ability to get buckets when needed.
My only issue with Bertans getting solid minutes at the 4 is, while he's an earnest box-out guy, he's just not good at tracking and grabbing boards.
This means the team needs to send a perimeter guy to help nab the RB which slows the transition game more than any coach would like and we know how effective the transition game is, when you can get it.

I sure would like to see Bertans go out and get some of those RB's that get snatched in front of his face more, but I'm not sure we'll ever see that.

[ace3g]

MVP is back


Michael Scotto @MikeAScotto
(https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto) 18s (https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/883467104841850880)
Source: Golden State Warriors and Zaza Pachulia have agreed to a 1-year, $3.5 million deal.

[Dex]

Don't you find it intimidating that Ersan has gone from team to team?

Bowen, Jackson, Nazr, Green, Belinelli, Butler (shouldn't have been cut)...

Spurs have made a living off of guys who bounced from team to team.

Granted, we are also hoping to the do the same with Gay, and have to hope he doesn't turn into another KMart experiment.

[Dex]

MVP is back

Fuck that fucking asshole.

[TimDunkem]

MVP is back
Season over.

[BatManu20]

ZaZa coming for Rudy's ankles next. Keep your head on a swivel, fellas..

[Chinook]

Don't you find it intimidating that Ersan has gone from team to team?

Not really. He had been traded from mediocre or bad teams all trying to acquire big name talent. He had spent the first seven seasons with one team and only went to his second team two years ago.

[Budkin]

I'd trust Pick. He's like the Euro-Sham.

Wasn't he the first guy to report LMA to SA?

[TimDunkem]

Wasn't he the first guy to report LMA to SA?
Yes.

[Dex]

Wasn't he the first guy to report LMA to SA?

Don't let Pick reporting LMA to SA distract you from the fact that TSpence reported Pau to SA like three years before it happened.

[Ron Swanson]

MVP is back

Fuck that piece of shit.

[look_at_g_shred]

I'd love Crawford on the team for vet min. Spurs desperately need scoring.

[diceman]

MVP is back

The cost of retaining Zaza Pachulia in Golden State is $12.4M. The contract for Pachulia is $3.4M with the Warriors tax bill increasing an additional $8.8M. The Warriors current luxury bill is $29.1M with three roster spots open. Pachulia was signed with the non-bird exception, 120% of his 2016-17 $2.89M salary.

- Bobby Marks, ESPN

[ace3g]

Kevin Pelton @kpelton
(https://twitter.com/kpelton) 1m (https://twitter.com/kpelton/status/883472404126683136)
Edy Tavares, currently destroying Thon Maker, rated as the D-League's best player last season by WARP. There's a place for him in the NBA.

[Dverde]

We need David Lee or Thomas Robinson to do the dirty work down low.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) now (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883473101735854080)
Free agent guard Shelvin Mack is finalizing a two-year, $12M deal with the Orlando Magic, league sources tell ESPN.

[Dex]

I'd love Crawford on the team for vet min. Spurs desperately need scoring.

Spurs don't need a guy who is going to take 25 shots to average 15 points. I guarantee he would start robbing shots from Kawhi.

IMO, if we are listing reasons why Lob City was never able to succeed, one has to be because they had Crawford on their roster. Do not want him anywhere near the Spurs.

[ace3g]

Jeff Zillgitt @JeffZillgitt
(https://twitter.com/JeffZillgitt) 35s (https://twitter.com/JeffZillgitt/status/883474196726071296)
Cavs have reached a deal with free-agent forward Jeff Green, I'm told.

[TimDunkem]

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Guy claims the Gay signing is a signal that Simmons isn't coming back. :rolleyes

[Chinook]

Pop will wipe his ass and find a new Simmons. That's not really the problem. The bigger question is if that tweet is edifying or if it's just speculation.

[Clipper Nation]

I'd love Crawford on the team for vet min. Spurs desperately need scoring.
There isn't a team on Earth that "needs" Crawful. He's one of the worst players in the league.

[TheGreatYacht]

Tavares should be #1 in PATFO's cheap big list. 7'3 with 9'6 reach. Has played 100 minutes in the NBA but he's shown in the lower levels he can get you 3 blocks in around 20 minutes of playing time per game

[ace3g]

Brian Windhorst @WindhorstESPN
(https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN) 1m (https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/status/883475303590383616)
Cavs have agreed with Jeff Green on a 2.3M l, 1-year minimum deal, sources say

[BatManu20]

lol Jeff Green fucking sucks. Lebron is gone next season if this keeps up.

[ace3g]

Marc Berman (https://twitter.com/NYPost_Berman) (https://twitter.com/NYPost_Berman) @NYPost_Berman (https://twitter.com/NYPost_Berman)


According to a source, Dallas Mavericks, who drafted Dennis Smith Jr., emerging as "serious contender'' for Derrick Rose.
4:06pm · 6 Jul 2017 (https://twitter.com/NYPost_Berman/status/883069719972118528) · Twitter Web Client (http://twitter.com)

[Dex]

Pop will wipe his ass and find a new Simmons. That's not really the problem. The bigger question is if that tweet is edifying or if it's just speculation.

Sounds like speculation to me. Spurs bringing in a 3/4 has little effect on Simmons position. As for the cap, I'd rather spend the money on a 30-year-old who has proven himself in the league (albeit coming off injury) against a 28-year-old who had one decent series when he was trying to fill the scoring gap.

[tonight...you]

883126221911064577

Guy claims the Gay signing is a signal that Simmons isn't coming back. :rolleyes
And? Seriously bro... You bringing this shit now?
Pure randoms and their twitter thoughts?

Jesus fuck.

[Dex]

lol Jeff Green fucking sucks. Lebron is gone next season if this keeps up.

Fired Griffin. Tried to lowball Billups for the GM position, who decided playing 3v3 was more worth is time. Overpaid Korver after a shitty playoff performance. Now this.

In reddit parlance....he gone.

[TheGreatYacht]

lol Jeff Green fucking sucks. Lebron is gone next season if this keeps up.
Switch Jeff Green and Lebron's names with Rudy Gay and Kawhi, and you have this exact comment on every basketball forum.

[tonight...you]

Fired Griffin. Tried to lowball Billups for the GM position, who decided playing 3v3 was more worth is time. Overpaid Korver after a shitty playoff performance. Now this.

In reddit parlance....he gone.
Gilbert... Monetarily manipulated by the NBA to get Lebron to leave, or legit this dude is beyond fucking moronic?
I mean, the guy didn't inherit his money, right? He's a ruthless son of a bitch, but come on...

He knows his check comes from Lebron and nothing else. I bet, if Lebron leaves, Gilbert sells the team within half a decade.

[Chinook]

Switch Jeff Green and Lebron's names with Rudy Gay and Kawhi, and you have this exact comment on every basketball forum.

They are eerily similar players.

[gambit1990]

tp is a spurs legend but i am just SO past the idea that trading him is beyond civility.

if the spurs had to sign and trade manu to make cp3 work... i would not have been against it.

[DocDoc]

tp is a spurs legend but i am just SO past the idea that trading him is beyond civility.

if the spurs had to sign and trade manu to make cp3 work... i would not have been against it.

Who would want Parker's contract and injury status? You would have to take back some seriously crappy contracts and players.

[tonight...you]

tp is a spurs legend but i am just SO past the idea that trading him is beyond civility.

if the spurs had to sign and trade manu to make cp3 work... i would not have been against it.
Dude, you would have traded Parker for a picture of yourself taking a face-fart, by an 80 year old and you know it.
Lord...

[SAGirl]

he said that right after it happened only because espn by default are inclined to lick PATFO ass and any move they make just like they do with the patriots. if he still felt it was good he would have mentioned it somewhere but any idiot can see they panicked given the signings that have since transpired.
espn had also overrated this FA, by a landslide. They projected Patty to be between 12-17 m initially (b4 FA truly began) so him signing on the low end of their estimated figure made the contract look good devoid of any context.

Once we look at the landscape and context, it changes things, not just because so many better guards went for comparable figures, but also bc of the length of the contract, and the fact the Spurs have drafted point guards twice in consecutive seasons, and have prospects that are very similar to Patty already for a fraction of his contract.

[r0drig0lac]

And? Seriously bro... You bringing this shit now?
Pure randoms and their twitter thoughts?

Jesus fuck.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif

[gambit1990]

Who would want Parker's contract and injury status? You would have to take back some seriously crappy contracts and players.
just saying the spurs unwillingness to move tp is nonsensical. i've been on board for moving that contract way before injury.

[tonight...you]

espn had also overrated this FA, by a landslide. They projected Patty to be between 12-17 m initially (b4 FA truly began) so him signing on the low end of their estimated figure made the contract look good devoid of any context.

Once we look at the landscape and context, it changes things, not just because so many better guards went for comparable figures, but also bc of the length of the contract, and the fact the Spurs have drafted point guards twice in consecutive seasons, and have prospects that are very similar to Patty already for a fraction of his contract.
Damn SAGirl... you killed it right there.

[gambit1990]

Dude, you would have traded Parker for a picture of yourself taking a face-fart, by an 80 year old and you know it.
Lord...
is this poster rc buford? don't drive after taking advantage of happy hour.

[BatManu20]

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[tonight...you]

is this poster rc buford? don't drive after taking advantage of happy hour.
Am I wrong?

[Snaq O'Meal]

MVP is back

The Warriors' front office gets it. A good screener like that dirty motherfucker is a good enabler for ball movement. Something the Spurs lacked since the departures of Duncan, Splitter and Baynes.

For fucks sake, just take a punt on Bogut if the price is cheap. Maybe Patty hates him, but if he improves the team, just take a chance.

[tonight...you]

The Warriors' front office gets it. A good screener like that dirty motherfucker is a good enabler for ball movement. Something the Spurs lacked since the departures of Duncan, Splitter and Baynes.

For fuck's sake, just take a punt on Bogut if the price is cheap. Maybe Patty hates him, but if he improves the team, just take a chance.
You'd think the league would catch up to the fact that part of the Warriors superiority, besides pure talent, is their legit attention to great/and/or/illegal screens.
It opens up so much when a screen is performed perfectly, or illegally (non-call) to set up a shot, or a play.

Our weak-ass BS screens set by PunkMA and PunkAsol without even rolling hard are detriments to the overall plays that are trying to be executed.

Nobody is catching up with this yet.

[DPG21920]

Say what you want about Gilbert, but not many owners would fork over the cash he has the past seasons and this next season (looking damn near 200M in salaries + taxes :wow)

[gambit1990]

Am I wrong?
dead wrong.

[tonight...you]

Say what you want about Gilbert, but not many owners would fork over the cash he has the past seasons and this next season (looking damn near 200M in salaries + taxes :wow)
And yet he's effing around with the GM position at this delicate time with his cash cow...

Anyone can turn and say Lebron is the GM, but come on... GM's may follow what he wants, but there at least has to be a facade of competence in the FO. I know he would like to see at least that.

[FkLA]

The Warriors' front office gets it. A good screener like that dirty motherfucker is a good enabler for ball movement. Something the Spurs lacked since the departures of Duncan, Splitter and Baynes.

For fucks sake, just take a punt on Bogut if the price is cheap. Maybe Patty hates him, but if he improves the team, just take a chance.

Whats the story behind MVPaddy hating Bogut? Pretty sure I saw a tweet where Bogut congratulated him for his contract.

[tonight...you]

dead wrong.
Nah dude, you've spent so many hundreds, maybe thousands of posts of your desire to get Parker out by any means possible...
You'd eat a granny fart, for sure.

!00% sure and you really shouldn't puss out now bro.

Time to show that conviction you've displayed for forever and so many many posts.

[HarlemHeat37]

Jeff Green as a realistic comparison for post-Achilles Gay is probably accurate, sadly:lol

[gambit1990]

Nah dude, you've spent so many hundreds, maybe thousands of posts of your desire to get Parker out by any means possible...
yeah, by trade or by salary dump :lol

[gambit1990]

Jeff Green as a realistic comparison for post-Achilles Gay is probably accurate, sadly:lol
nah, jeff green is rudy gay post lobotomy.

[tonight...you]

yeah, by trade or by salary dump :lol
And you took posts from some guy you've never meant as literal and felt the need to defend yourself...
Granny farts...
Ha ha ha!

Carry on buddy, Lol...

[SAGirl]

Bowen, Jackson, Nazr, Green, Belinelli, Butler (shouldn't have been cut)...

Spurs have made a living off of guys who bounced from team to team.

Granted, we are also hoping to the do the same with Gay, and have to hope he doesn't turn into another KMart experiment.

OMG I hope not.
I still have nightmares over Kmart.

[gambit1990]

And you took posts from some guy you've never meant as literal and felt the need to defend yourself...
Granny farts...
Ha ha ha!

Carry on buddy, Lol...
at least you managed to waste your time, my time, and the time everyone else spent to read your stupid posts.

[tonight...you]

at least you managed to waste your time, my time, and everyone else who had to read your stupid posts.
I didn't waste my time baby... you wasted yours.
I had fun, you got frustrated.

[gambit1990]

I didn't waste my time baby... you wasted yours.
I had fun, you got frustrated.
your time well spent is you thinking you got someone frustrated online :lmao
you must have a really fun weekend planned with you and your keyboard :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Derrick Rose would be so perfect for the team that recently acquired Rondo and Deron Williams, tbh:lol if the Spurs part ways with TP(1% chance), he'll probably join the Mavs, next season, too..

[tonight...you]

your time well spent is you thinking you got someone frustrated online :lmao
you must have a really fun weekend planned with you and your keyboard :lol
You keep typing to me... lol.

[gambit1990]

You keep typing to me... lol.
you don't know what forums are?

[Snaq O'Meal]

Whats the story behind MVPaddy hating Bogut? Pretty sure I saw a tweet where Bogut congratulated him for his contract.

IIRC, Bogut had a Twitter war with Liz Cambage over the Black Lives Matter issue. I bet Petty wasn't on his side. Perhaps he has an abrasive personality (which shows in his physical play), but he's a better center than Baynes by a country mile.

[cd98]

Derrick Rose would be so perfect for the team that recently acquired Rondo and Deron Williams, tbh:lol if the Spurs part ways with TP(1% chance), he'll probably join the Mavs, next season, too..

Boy those Mavs have struggled at PG since Nash. I mean Kidd was good, but old by the time he helped the Mavs luck into a championship.

[tonight...you]

you don't know what forums are?
Yup, and I'm enjoying my time here. Are you?

[gambit1990]

Yup, and I'm enjoying my time here. Are you?
the difference between you and your keyboard is that no one would wanna touch you.

hopefully you find matching moo moo's.

[tonight...you]

the difference between you and your keyboard is that no one would wanna touch you.

hopefully you find matching moo moo's.
Ha ha ha! Nice.

I don't deal with made up shit. I deal with what you bring and you bring nothing.

You have nothing to say unless it involves Parker and you are a joke of the Forum. Nobody reads you with a second's thought and that's how it should be, really.
I'm glad you don't even try to break through that boundary.

Now, let's get on to serious shit. What size is my "moo moo"?

[gambit1990]

Now, let's get on to serious shit. What size is my "moo moo"?
"tonight...you" definitely sounds like a rapist. what size moo moo you wear is up to the cops to figure out.

[Atl Spur]

Jeff Green as a realistic comparison for post-Achilles Gay is probably accurate, sadly:lol

We shall see🙈😉

[tonight...you]

"tonight...you" definitely sounds like a rapist. what size moo moo you wear is up to the cops to figure out.
Way to go.
Let's get creative baby!

[gambit1990]

What size is my "moo moo"?

[tonight...you]

I bet you thought that was good...
You are a fucking joke around here.

[coachmac87]

Boy those Mavs have struggled at PG since Nash. I mean Kidd was good, but old by the time he helped the Mavs luck into a championship.

They were sold on Roddy Beauboix or whatever his name was lol

[gambit1990]

I bet you thought that was good...
You are a fucking joke around here.

And you took posts from some guy you've never meant as literal and felt the need to defend yourself...
Granny farts...
Ha ha ha!

Carry on buddy, Lol...

at least you managed to waste your time, my time, and the time everyone else spent to read your stupid posts.

[tonight...you]

They were sold on Roddy Beauboix or whatever his name was lol
Eh... every team has been sold on players they thought they could bring into the fold. Spurs are still working on players they think could do something as we type.

[tonight...you]

I had fun... you didn't?

[I. Hustle]

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[TimDunkem]

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[tbdog]

They were sold on Roddy Beauboix or whatever his name was lol

Mavs fans said he was untradable

[cd98]

Mavs fans said he was untradable

Eventually he was untradeable....and unplayable.

[BatManu20]

Good times.


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[Chillen]

Good times.


883710619731578880

Always thought Jim Gray sounded like a psychologist in this, it was totally over the top to do it this way and he got the flak for it.

[BatManu20]

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[kaji157]

I can't believe Evans signed for 3.3 millions and we weren't even looking for him.
Gotta think he has subpar overhimselfness.

[tholdren]

Always thought Jim Gray sounded like a psychologist in this, it was totally over the top to do it this way and he got the flak for it.

His iq is lower than a parakeet.

[tholdren]

883737229880963073

Lol yet they fired phil for wanting to. Smart as lebron i guess

[Spurs9]

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Not sure how legit this guy is but apparently hes well know with Knicks news, take it with a grain of salt.
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[Ron Swanson]

883735973934362625
Not sure how legit this guy is but apparently hes well know with Knicks news, take it with a grain of salt.
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Houston know they can only play with one basketball, right?

[Spurs9]

Houston know they can only play with one basketball, right?
Exactly, it would be entertaining to see how that team operates with those 3.

[Blackjack]

For as much shit as Melo's received, he's always excelled with Team USA. He's looked good with talent and playing off the ball and off others.

Never been a huge fan of his, but respect his game - was kind of intrigued to see him on the Spurs when I first saw the reports he was on the chopping block.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 1m (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883774997734600704)
Sources with @WindhorstESPN (https://twitter.com/WindhorstESPN/): James Harden and Rockets are progressing toward deal on biggest contract extension in NBA history.

[ace3g]

Bobby Marks @BobbyMarks42
(https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42) 1m (https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/883777318866604037)
James Harden would be the first player to sign under the new Designated Player Veteran Extension (DPVE). Steph Curry signed as a FA.

[Emperor]

So we can probably count Houston out as possible Banana Boat city.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 1m (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883779116553469953)
Harden's progressing toward adding four years onto Houston current deal, an extension that could guarantee him $228M through 2022-23 season.

[ace3g]

Bobby Marks @BobbyMarks42
(https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42) now (https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/883781024131371008)
A James Harden four-year extension would start in 2019-20 at a salary of $37.8M, $40.8M, $43.8M and $46.8M. espn.com/espn/now?nowId… (https://t.co/zq5eLKrube)

[cjw]

We all knew this was happening, but Rockets are going to be shelling out $75 million+ in year to their starting backcourt. Add in $20+ million to Anderson that can't be moved (who on earth touched that?) and they're going to be pushing $100 million without anyone else.

That's why descimating trade assets outside of Capella was so dangerous. Houston's window closes before Golden State's.

[Emperor]

We all knew this was happening, but Rockets are going to be shelling out $75 million+ in year to their starting backcourt. Add in $20+ million to Anderson that can't be moved (who on earth touched that?) and they're going to be pushing $100 million without anyone else.

That's why descimating trade assets outside of Capella was so dangerous. Houston's window closes before Golden State's.

That's if Paul decides to re-sign with them next summer.

[DAF86]

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5 spots to fill. 3 of them will probably go to bigmen (one most likely to Gasol) and the other 2 to wings (Manu and Simmons?).

Biggest question mark is if Aldridge will get traded.

[ceperez]

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5 spots to fill. 3 of them will probably go to bigmen (one most likely to Gasol) and the other 2 to wings (Manu and Simmons?).

Biggest question mark is if Aldridge will get traded.

You mean 6 slots to fill. Blossomgame is a two-way contract.

[Mr. Body]

We all knew this was happening, but Rockets are going to be shelling out $75 million+ in year to their starting backcourt. Add in $20+ million to Anderson that can't be moved (who on earth touched that?) and they're going to be pushing $100 million without anyone else.

That's why descimating trade assets outside of Capella was so dangerous. Houston's window closes before Golden State's.

Houston never had a window, even with Paul.

Also, paying out the nose into the luxury tax kills teams in the end. It will be the death of the Warriors before long.

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Imagine if harden played d oh wait he got the max anyhow

[spurs10]

Houston never had a window,

Also, paying out the nose into the luxury tax kills teams in the end. It will be the death of the Warriors before long. Let's hope so!

[Blackjack]

Houston never had a window, even with Paul.

Also, paying out the nose into the luxury tax kills teams in the end. It will be the death of the Warriors before long.

At least the Warriors are winning championships.

I have to catch myself and realize it's not about that for most. There's only a few players in the league at a time, sometimes one or two, that should have a team blowing their wad to keep - players that bring championships into the equation. It's about generating excitement, putting on a show and bringing in revenue under the guise of a chance to fans (who don't know - or don't want to know - any better).

I'm sure it pays off for some on the bottom line - those that have the right kind of star(s) and cities/fanbases - but hard for me to believe that's what they have in Houston.

Unless ... the Chinese are loyal to this day.

[BatManu20]

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[cjw]

Houston never had a window, even with Paul.

Also, paying out the nose into the luxury tax kills teams in the end. It will be the death of the Warriors before long.

Unless you're worth 11 figures ($10bn plus), it's impossible to go that deep into the luxury tax every year. The Warriors made $300mm of revenue last year and could be paying $300-$400mm to players in a few years. Yes, they'll be in a new arena and all, but on top of revenue sharing and other expenses, they'll be hemorrhaging money. Already won rings, and at the end of the day you want to make some money from investments.

[r0drig0lac]

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[Chinook]

Unless you're worth 11 figures ($10bn plus), it's impossible to go that deep into the luxury tax every year. The Warriors made $300mm of revenue last year and could be paying $300-$400mm to players in a few years. Yes, they'll be in a new arena and all, but on top of revenue sharing and other expenses, they'll be hemorrhaging money. Already won rings, and at the end of the day you want to make some money from investments.

That's what people don't seem to get about Lebron. Miami essentially let him go because he just wasn't worth what he was costing the Heat due to paying his friends. People act like Lebron has been making Gilbert a ton of money and that Gilbert should be grateful that James decided to come back. But it's a best a two-way street.

[Chinook]

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Confused as to what that means. Is that a binding contract or something similar to a QO? I heard before that it was a Euro-only thing, but I also didn't think it was something Hanga had to sign.

[jyra]

Confused as to what that means. Is that a binding contract or something similar to a QO? I heard before that it was a Euro-only thing, but I also didn't think it was something Hanga had to sign.

Not sure myself but probably something like that, Hanga is a "restriced free agent" in the Spanish league (doesn't effect contracts in other leagues): http://www.sportando.com/en/europe/spain/238819/acb-33-players-put-under-derecho-de-tanteo.html?rel=last_mobile

[Chinook]

Not sure myself but probably something like that, Hanga is a "restriced free agent" in the Spanish league (doesn't effect contracts in other leagues): http://www.sportando.com/en/europe/spain/238819/acb-33-players-put-under-derecho-de-tanteo.html?rel=last_mobile

Thanks. I guess that it also applies even if Hanga comes over to the NBA, like how Toronto keeps giving Nando a QO to keep his NBA rights. This may not mean that he's not about to sign with the Spurs. But it could imply that it is a one- or two-year deal and that he's keen to go back to Europe if he doesn't get the playing time or role he envisions.

The Spurs are probably still waiting on Simmons.

[Mr. Body]

Unless you're worth 11 figures ($10bn plus), it's impossible to go that deep into the luxury tax every year. The Warriors made $300mm of revenue last year and could be paying $300-$400mm to players in a few years. Yes, they'll be in a new arena and all, but on top of revenue sharing and other expenses, they'll be hemorrhaging money. Already won rings, and at the end of the day you want to make some money from investments.

I'd be very surprised if it doesn't choke them at the vine. The amount a guy like Nick Young will cost them is unbelievable. They'll probably regret this stuff big time. Plus a major reason why it's hard to keep dynasties going is because the role players are hard to replace. You stop having draft picks, you are still paying old guys who don't produce. When we lost Sean it took years to find Bowen. I'm sure a parade of near-retirement players will knock on their door, but will that work? They just signed Iguodala for several years. How long will he actually be effective, and they'll still be on the hook? Who can they afford to replace him at that point?