Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[Spur|n|Austin]

Fly him over the Pacific and kick him out the plane.

:lol last season's GM of the year?

[Snaq O'Meal]

Probably taking a vacation.

I'm afraid you are right.

[look_at_g_shred]

Word is RC will be tackling FA from Los Angeles. Paul George?

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George isn't a FA though.

[bklynspursfan]

:lol last season's GM of the year?

People are crazy lol

[TimDunkem]

Jrue staying in Nola as expected.

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880820407690973185Yep. Knew it. :lol

[loveforthegame]

I'm both excited and nervous as hell to see what the Spurs plan is.

[TheGreatYacht]

Fly him over the Pacific and kick him out the plane.

[SAGirl]

Just listened to the Open Floor SI podcast and the concensus is that the Spurs likely won't do much. Between being boxed in by TP and Gasol contracts while being hamstrung by Aldridge who no one wants, there's just not much they can do.

good description. I know guys don't want to hear it, and HarlemHeat37 got some criticism for his comments, but he's right, until the Spurs lose the saddle to all the guys they owe loyalty too, they just won't be able to "rebuild"

[SAGirl]

Kevin Pelton from ESPN, on Nate Duncan's podcast suggested that Jonathan Simmons may resign with a 2+1 at $8 million a season so he could become a free agent again at 29.

It was a mock off season but I've heard that figure before.

Would allow for the Spurs to probably keep him.

That sounds good. After his 2 years, he's not subject to Arenas rule and I think he will be UFA too. He's free to do whatever. Good for the Spurs too, that is a good contract on a player they like and hopefully he stays hungry and keeps improving, to get a big contract after that one is over. It really depends on whether another team fell in love with him and is going to give him a poison pill contract.. Otherwise I can see him back in a contract like that. ^

[Dverde]

Word is RC will be tackling FA from Los Angeles. Paul George?

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Good to see he isn't driving there.

[TimDunkem]

Good to see he isn't driving there.
:lmao

[Joseph Kony]

tbh I wouldn't mind rolling the dice on Bogut if he'll take a cheap deal as a backup C since Dedmon is gone

[Hoops Czar]

I'm afraid you are right.
I hate PR awards. What exactly did he do to deserve Gm of the year award? If it's for Lma (collecting a signiture), he should give it back. One of the most overrated Spurs teams of all-time.

[cd021]

If they end up doing nothing it is not because they had no options. They are not being boxed in by TP contract. They refuse to deal him, loyalty over team success. Fuck them.

I think that it's incredibly important to PATFO that Parker retires a Spur like David, Tim, and Manu (when he actually decides to). In and of itself that is far from a bad thing; having 4 hall of famers in the past 30 years play their entire careers on one team, that's unprecedented in the FA era of the NBA.

Parker keeping the Spurs from making a splash certainly hurts but I think it helps with the reputation of the team which could help the team attract FA's down the line.

[Gordy58]

https://twitter.com/amicohoops/status/880834483242532864

[Ice009]

good description. I know guys don't want to hear it, and HarlemHeat37 got some criticism for his comments, but he's right, until the Spurs lose the saddle to all the guys they owe loyalty too, they just won't be able to "rebuild"

So if it's a choice between Kawhi and Parker, are they still going to take this idiotic stance?

[cd021]

https://twitter.com/amicohoops/status/880834483242532864

That's not enough for Green, Cleveland better come up off a future pick or make another move to get us one.

Heard decent things about Cedi Osman though.

[Gordy58]

Osman seems like a pretty good prospect. Decent handle, athleticism, shot alright from three. Wouldn't mind at all giving up Danny for him.

[rastaspur]

How is tony's rehab going?

I got to thinking. I am a fan of fela kuti, the afrobeat pioneer and political revolutionary. Ole crazy as fela believed that having sex with many different woman could bestow upon him spiritual and physical powers. Fela also believed in the theory of the more the merrier. It was a common daily occurrence for him to have big orgies.

Wonder if tony suscribes by this theory. It couldn't hurt to try. He could usesome powers to ensure a full and speedy recovery.

Here is hoping tony is knee deep in ass as we speak.

For purposes of full disclosure, fela did die of aids. So this strategy and theory might be complete bs. But I still wanted to throw it oUT there for purposes of discussion.

[TimDunkem]

^Wonder if he still has Erin Berry's phone number.

[SAGirl]

So if it's a choice between Kawhi and Parker, are they still going to take this idiotic stance?

didn't you hear? Tony is coming back to play his best basketball in January/February? :lol

Kawhi is not a cancer. He's not going to demand the team trades team legends and HoF players... he could be in those shoes one day...

[Ice009]

didn't you hear? Tony is coming back to play his best basketball in January/February? :lol

Kawhi is not a cancer. He's not going to demand the team trades team legends and HoF players... he could be in those shoes one day...

Well, I hope so.

[rjv]

man, can tomorrow come soon enough? this thread has turned into the reading equivalent of Twilight.

[TimDunkem]

Stay in Utah, brah.
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[RD2191]

The Spurs are fucking around too much with the loyalty contracts, they can't survive that way. Even a major market in LA is suffering because they chose sentiment over common sense. The Spurs don't owe anything to players no matter how long they've been here. (Cept for Tim)

[rjv]

Stay in Utah, brah.
880837454651166720 i've read rumors that haywood's possible return to utah hinges upon what happens to hill.

[Ice009]

lol, George Hill doesn't even pick the Spurs first. If you can't get George Hill to put the Spurs at the top of his list, then I don't know how you can get anyone significant.


i've read rumors that haywood's possible return to utah hinges upon what happens to hill.

What do you mean? Does he want to play with Hill? If that's the case, maybe the Spurs should look at getting both of them.

[TimDunkem]

i've read rumors that haywood's possible return to utah hinges upon what happens to hill.
Yep. So it's likely they push hard to keep Hill and I hope they do.

Lol People hoped he'd take a 10 mill a year discount when the guy is clearly holding out to get every penny from Utah as possible.

[Ice009]

Yep. So it's likely they push hard to keep Hill and I hope they do.

Lol People hoped he'd take a 10 mill a year discount when the guy is clearly holding out to get every penny from Utah as possible.

You think Utah's his first choice only because he can get more money there?

[rastaspur]

Beno udrih it is. :lol

[palangi]

lol, George Hill doesn't even pick the Spurs first. If you can't get George Hill to put the Spurs at the top of his list, then I don't know how you can get anyone significant.



What do you mean? Does he want to play with Hill? If that's the case, maybe the Spurs should look at getting both of them.

That's because of Tony parker. We need to retire him.

[TimDunkem]

You think Utah's his first choice only because he can get more money there?
That and trying to build on what they had last year. Probably feels like there's unfinished business after going down with an injury again.

[TimDunkem]

lol, George Hill doesn't even pick the Spurs first. If you can't get George Hill to put the Spurs at the top of his list, then I don't know how you can get anyone significant.



What do you mean? Does he want to play with Hill? If that's the case, maybe the Spurs should look at getting both of them.
Hayward doesn't want to play here.
Spurs would need likely 45 mill in cap space if they get their projected amounts.

Not happening.

[rjv]

lol, George Hill doesn't even pick the Spurs first. If you can't get George Hill to put the Spurs at the top of his list, then I don't know how you can get anyone significant.



What do you mean? Does he want to play with Hill? If that's the case, maybe the Spurs should look at getting both of them. Jody Genessy: Another source confirms that Gordon Hayward really wants the Utah Jazz to bring back George Hill. His decision could hinge on that (http://hoopshype.com/social/). The Jazz are in a pickle because they’re trying to get a cheaper veteran than George Hill so they can pay Gordon Hayward and Joe Ingles.
– via Twitter DJJazzyJody (http://twitter.com/DJJazzyJody)

[TimDunkem]

Pretty sure they can just sign Hill outright with cap space then bring the latter two back with their Bird Rights.

[BatManu20]

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[raybies]

Beno udrih it is. :lol
Derrick Rose :depressed

[ducks]

The Spurs are fucking around too much with the loyalty contracts, they can't survive that way. Even a major market in LA is suffering because they chose sentiment over common sense. The Spurs don't owe anything to players no matter how long they've been here. (Cept for Tim)

clippers showed no loyalty with cp3 with last year deal and traded him

[Hoops Czar]

clippers showed no loyalty with cp3 with last year deal and traded him

Lakers showed plenty of loyalty to Kobe Bryant and look where it got them, longest playoff drought in team history.

[Chinook]

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Will be interesting if the NBA cracks down on Washington about this.

[TimDunkem]

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[BatManu20]

Dedmon to the Bay confirmed.


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[raybies]

Dedmon to the Bay confirmed.


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was just coming here to post this...

Bastard better not

[TimDunkem]

was just coming here to post this...

Bastard better not
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[SpursforSix]

The Spurs are fucking around too much with the loyalty contracts, they can't survive that way. Even a major market in LA is suffering because they chose sentiment over common sense. The Spurs don't owe anything to players no matter how long they've been here. (Cept for Tim)

They contracts are enough for loyalty. Parker's getting overpaid. I don't give a fuck if he has to move to another city to make his $15,000,000 per year.

Where's the fucking loyalty to the fans?

:pop: I got you 5 rings. That's plenty.

[TimDunkem]

Bye, Dedmon...Not that you were coming back anyway.

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[Leetonidas]

Someone will offer Dedmon way more than GS can

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Find that a little hard to believe. I'd think Dedmon would get paid a whole lot more elsewhere and he hasn't made money yet.

[raybies]

Bye, Dedmon...Not that you were coming back anyway.

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Full Mid to man the middle in GS. He'll probably be an All Star next year.

[TimDunkem]

Either way, he's gone.

[NASpurs]

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[raybies]

Sign Iggy, Livingston and Zaza.

Shaun/Leonard/Iggy/Anderson/Zaza

San Antonio Warriors

[TimDunkem]

I'm sure he'll take that for a chance to showcase himself as the starting center for the best team in the league AND win an easy ring.

[SpursforSix]

Full Mid to man the middle in GS. He'll probably be an All Star next year.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Bell get a lot of minutes. He was a steal IMO.

[RD2191]

Gawd, dedmon on the dubs would be insufferable.

[raybies]

I'm sure he'll take that for a chance to showcase himself as the starting center for the best team in the league AND win an easy ring.
yup. some fans in denial right now.

[Hoops Czar]

Steve just toying with Pop these days. Kerr gonna turn Dedmon into a monster.

[TimDunkem]

yup. some fans in denial right now.
No doubt. :lol

"HE'LL GET PAID MORE TO PLAY WITH A SHITTY TEAM! :cry"

The Warriors were his second choice last year and he chose the Spurs...Where he ended up getting benched. He's likely Warrior bound.

[FkLA]

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God damn the thought of him ending up there is fucking depressing. Thanks, Pop.

[TimDunkem]

If McGee looked like an all-star against us on the Warriors last year, just imagine Dedmon. :lol

[raybies]

If McGee looked like an all-star against us on the Warriors last year, just imagine Dedmon. :lol
sad but true... gonna be a HoFer one day

[Leetonidas]

Not like Dedmon is that great anyway. Some of y'all seriously overrating Francisco Elson pt2

[TimDunkem]

Not like Dedmon is that great anyway. Some of y'all seriously overrating Francisco Elson pt2
If he isn't that great, why do you think some other team is going to pay him more than 8 mill a year?

[Dex]

Not like Dedmon is that great anyway. Some of y'all seriously overrating Francisco Elson pt2

Holy shit, that comparison is spot on.

Dude literally had one offensive move: roll to the basket and hope someone lobs it to him.

And for being 7-feet, he sure as hell didn't know how to fight for a rebound.

[TimDunkem]

Elson is a shitty comparison. That guy couldn't even catch a ball.

[Dex]

If he isn't that great, why do you think some other team is going to pay him more than 8 mill a year?

Timofey fucking Mozgov is going to make $15M next year.

I know the contract is ridiculous, but we are in the era of "If you are over 6'10 and have a pulse, you're making bank" NBA.

[Dex]

Elson is a shitty comparison. That guy couldn't even catch a ball.

Neither can Dedmon, unless it's thrown above the rim. And even he botched a number of those.

[TimDunkem]

Timofey fucking Mozgov is going to make $15M next year.

I know the contract is ridiculous, but we are in the era of "If you are over 6'10 and have a pulse, you're making bank" NBA.
You're talking about the Lakers here. They haven't made very many smart moves lately, ya' know. Mozgov was a lesson to other teams on how not to be completely incompetent. No one wants to offer the next Mozgov contract, tbh. :lol

[TimDunkem]

Neither can Dedmon, unless it's thrown above the rim. And even he botched a number of those.
Just wait until he has real playmakers throwing him lobs where he has space because everyone is busy watching their shooters. :lol

[TimDunkem]

Tbh, Dedmon isn't great but he'll look it on the Warriors. Good for him.

[RD2191]

Tbh, Dedmon isn't great but he'll look it on the Warriors. Good for him.

Yeah, that's what some posters aren't getting. Plus he'll get away with tons of shit on defense like Draymond.

[SAGirl]

lol, George Hill doesn't even pick the Spurs first. If you can't get George Hill to put the Spurs at the top of his list, then I don't know how you can get anyone significant.



What do you mean? Does he want to play with Hill? If that's the case, maybe the Spurs should look at getting both of them.

:troll If Kawhi wasn't here already he is not picking the Spurs either.:lol

[Leetonidas]

If he isn't that great, why do you think some other team is going to pay him more than 8 mill a year?

Because fucking mozgov is making 17 mil a year and he sucks?

[Dex]

Tbh, Dedmon isn't great but he'll look it on the Warriors. Good for him.

I'll agree with that. He definitely underwhelmed in San Antonio (imo), but the thought of him getting open cuts to the basket all day in GSW...fuck.

I'm okay with the Spurs letting him go...I am not okay with GSW getting him.

[sananspursfan21]

Not like Dedmon is that great anyway. Some of y'all seriously overrating Francisco Elson pt2

This this this this this holy smokes this. He was a good bench piece but c'mon, some of these guys are acting like he's DeAndre Jordan

[cd021]

That is fair for and from him. He couldn't be offered more than full MLE for 2 years first years of deal. Poison pill for Spurs would be up to 24 mil (max for players 0-6yrs)

I think it would be around $8.4 million for the first to years (the MLE). Pelton's deal might be a little low but in the ball park. Hopefully the Spurs could get him to agree to a deal similar to this:

Year 1-$8.4 million
Year 2-$8.4 million
Year 3-$9.2 million
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$26 million with the 3rd year as a player option.

[TimDunkem]

Yeah, that's what some posters aren't getting. Plus he'll get away with tons of shit on defense like Draymond.
I mean, just look how McGee dismantled our frontline when those great playmakers on GS were getting him easy looks. It's like these people don't watch the games.

Also, he didn't fumble as much shit as Dex would have us believe. He had guys like TP, Mills, and Davis freaking Bertans throwing him lobs. Now imagine Steph, Klay, KD, Green... :lol

[Leetonidas]

Anyone will look good on the warriors. Dedmon or whoever isnt a game changer for them. The fact they have a stacked roster is the issue. Yeah I would hate for him to go there but lets be real. It doesn't matter who they get. They could start jeff ayres at C and win 70

[TimDunkem]

Because fucking mozgov is making 17 mil a year and he sucks?
Not everyone is the Lakers and, AGAIN, no one wants to offer the next Mozgov contract. Stop pretending Dedmon won't play well for the Warriors when JaVale McGee did.

[cd021]

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:bang
That's some bullshit.

[TimDunkem]

Anyone will look good on the warriors. Dedmon or whoever isnt a game changer for them. The fact they have a stacked roster is the issue. Yeah I would hate for him to go there but lets be real. It doesn't matter who they get. They could start jeff ayres at C and win 70
And that's all I've said. :lol

[tbdog]

The dubs are going to be very expensive team.

[cd021]

Sign Iggy, Livingston and Zaza.

Shaun/Leonard/Iggy/Anderson/Zaza

San Antonio Warriors

Zaza would probably stick his foot out in practice when Leonard is balling

[Leetonidas]

Not everyone is the Lakers and, AGAIN, no one wants to offer the next Mozgov contract. Stop pretending Dedmon won't play well for the Warriors when JaVale McGee did.

Asik? Plumlee? Noah? I could go on. Teams overpay for any C who can walk and chew bubblegum. This isnt new

[cd021]

The dubs are going to be very expensive team.

At least they'll be good.

Portland is paying $130+ million for a team that may or may not make the PS.

[TimDunkem]

Asik? Plumlee? Noah? I could go on. Teams overpay for any C who can walk and chew bubblegum. This isnt new
8 mill should be enough to get him to the Warriors.

[Leetonidas]

Meh. Not really a Dedmon fan so either way I don't care. I don't think he will make them any better than Mcgee or zaza. And if they lose iggy in the process then I'm ok with that

[Hoops Czar]

Asik? Plumlee? Noah? I could go on. Teams overpay for any C who can walk and chew bubblegum. This isnt new
Zaza made 2.89M last year but I'm not sure about the walking and chewing bubblegum.

[TimDunkem]

Meh. Not really a Dedmon fan so either way I don't care. I don't think he will make them any better than Mcgee or zaza. And if they lose iggy in the process then I'm ok with that
That's fair, but Dedmon over McGee or Zaza is definitely an upgrade. How much of an upgrade is debatable.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Word is RC will be tackling FA from Los Angeles. Paul George?

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Happy Hour starts 2 hours earlier.

[TimDunkem]

Happy Hour starts 2 hours earlier.
:lol

[SAGirl]

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Dedmon would work out really well with them. Unfortunately he didn't fit next to Aldridge bc who would really?

[TimDunkem]

Dedmon would work out really well with them. Unfortunately he didn't fit next to Aldridge bc who would really?
Sad that Aldridge doesn't even know how to complete a high-low pass.

[TimDunkem]

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[Floyd Pacquiao]

Zaza made 2.89M last year but I'm not sure about the walking and chewing bubblegum.

Will the Spurs ever win bro?

[cd021]

Osman seems like a pretty good prospect. Decent handle, athleticism, shot alright from three. Wouldn't mind at all giving up Danny for him.

Not nearly enough for Green tbh. Spurs should seek a 1st rounder back as well.

Philly could offer more; Parsecnicks, Bolden, Lessort, their 2018 2nd rounder.

I'd take Parsecnicks and Bolden for Green.

[cd021]

Meh. Not really a Dedmon fan so either way I don't care. I don't think he will make them any better than Mcgee or zaza. And if they lose iggy in the process then I'm ok with that

I think he's better than both. He can do what McGee does but is a better rebounder and rim protector

[SAGirl]

Someone will offer Dedmon way more than GS can

Hopefully. I will be happy if both gets his money and it isn't there.

[gambit1990]

If they end up doing nothing it is not because they had no options. They are not being boxed in by TP contract. They refuse to deal him, loyalty over team success. Fuck them.

[Hoops Czar]

Will the Spurs ever win bro?
If Kawhi Leonard can do it himself. I have no confidence that RC Buford will ever field a championship caliber team without some behind the scenes, right hand man holding his hand, doing all the heavy lifting. He's a cheap, no nothing GM made famous by Tim Duncan. I mean, how many GMs can put on their resume that they won an executive of the Year award for signing Marco Belinelli and Jeff Ayres?

[HarlemHeat37]

good description. I know guys don't want to hear it, and HarlemHeat37 got some criticism for his comments, but he's right, until the Spurs lose the saddle to all the guys they owe loyalty too, they just won't be able to "rebuild"

Ya, it's funny how many Spurs fans are in denial and acting like they don't know how this organization operates..

[r0drig0lac]

If he isn't that great, why do you think most stacked team ever is going to pay him more than 8 mill a year?

[SAGirl]

Gawd, dedmon on the dubs would be insufferable.

he did have a tough guy personality... that pop didn't like by the way.

[Hoops Czar]

Ya, it's funny how many Spurs fans are in denial and acting like they don't know how this organization operates..
Loyalty is a crutch and It's been known to bring big businesses crumbling to the ground. They don't owe anyone anything.

[Eaglenole2002]

he did have a tough guy personality... that pop didn't like by the way.

I know a guy who worked in the marketing department in Orlando when Dedmon was with the Magic. He said Dedmon was the worst and most insufferable athlete he worked with. FWIW, he said Oladipo was awesome.

[TimDunkem]

:lmao Sweet! Another playoff choker.
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[tbdog]

At least they'll be good.

Portland is paying $130+ million for a team that may or may not make the PS.

The dubs team will cost a lot more. It won't be felt until a year after next though.

[RD2191]

Kawhi packing his bags as we speak. :lol

[NASpurs]

:lmao Sweet! Another playoff choker.
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:lol and without another playmaker outside of Kawhi, Korver would shoot 30% from three with the Spurs.

[bklynspursfan]

Loyalty is a crutch and It's been known to bring big businesses crumbling to the ground. They don't owe anyone anything.

They've been loyal, and made it to the WCF last season, in which they got hit with the injury bug.

These guys will never fully rebuild anytime soon IMO. They "rebuilt" on the fly years ago, and the trade for Kawhi sprung this team back into serious contention. They'll do whatever is necessary to stay competitive, but I just don't believe they'll ever like just have all young/inexperienced guys out there in hopes of landing a lottery pick.

I also don't believe they'll sit back and waste Kawhi's best years, and expect them to make some moves this summer.

[rastaspur]

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Worst name ever. Geez

His name is going to get furkan butchered by announcers.

[TimDunkem]

I also don't believe they'll sit back and waste Kawhi's best years, and expect them to make some moves this summer.
I hope so, but all signs point to sticking with the status-quo. They'll stay loyal to TP, Manu, Gasol, and look like they're stuck with Aldridge. They'll win 60 games and lose to the Warriors, and I think they're okay with that.

[SAGirl]

I mean, just look how McGee dismantled our frontline when those great playmakers on GS were getting him easy looks. It's like these people don't watch the games.

Also, he didn't fumble as much shit as Dex would have us believe. He had guys like TP, Mills, and Davis freaking Bertans throwing him lobs. Now imagine Steph, Klay, KD, Green... :lol

actually if we are real, most lobs to him were Davis, Kyle, and Dijon. He got more lobs playing with that group than he did with the starters... thus why he was a non factor, though Tony threw him some lobs when he first made the starting lineup, but then he stopped. Mills can't playmake if we are real, his pass will probably be deflected.. he comes of a screen to shoot.

[gambit1990]

where's everyone who hated my idea of trading parker the past two seasons? :lol

haven't seen anyone defend his contract now.

it's not hard having foresight. well, for some of you it is.

[apalisoc_9]

:lmao Sweet! Another playoff choker.
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I said a. While ago the spurs were interested in korver but mods smdh.

[NASpurs]

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[ducks]

where's everyone who hated my idea of trading parker the past two seasons? :lol

haven't seen anyone defend his contract now.

it's not hard having foresight. well, for some of you it is.
Did you predict his playoffs run?

[TheGreatYacht]

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C'mon, Brett. Why pay $18M/yr for a white American, when you can have a slight downgrade for $10M/yr in Green.

Just gotta give us Covington and Holmes

[Maddog]

:lmao Sweet! Another playoff choker.
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:lol and without another playmaker outside of Kawhi, Korver would shoot 30% from three with the Spurs.

I take all these " Spurs interested in" with a Kilogram of salt
I have my doubts. The Spurs Like shooters, but a 36 year old....with lots of other needs

[TimDunkem]

I take all these " Spurs interested in" with a Kilogram of salt
I have my doubts. The Spurs Like shooters, but a 36 year old....with lots of other needs
They can't really sign anyone of note if they don't move someone. The Korvers of the league are likely the only guys they can chase unless they find some no-name diamond in the rough.

[rastaspur]

That's it for me until July 1st. Tired of hearing all these rumors, none of which have been positive on the spurs front.

[RD2191]

That's it for me until July 1st. Tired of hearing all these rumors, none of which have been positive on the spurs front.

Ok. See ya tonight.

[NASpurs]

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[TimDunkem]

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smh What could've been. He actually wasn't completely terrible.

[Hoops Czar]

They've been loyal, and made it to the WCF last season, in which they got hit with the injury bug.

These guys will never fully rebuild anytime soon IMO. They "rebuilt" on the fly years ago, and the trade for Kawhi sprung this team back into serious contention. They'll do whatever is necessary to stay competitive, but I just don't believe they'll ever like just have all young/inexperienced guys out there in hopes of landing a lottery pick.

I also don't believe they'll sit back and waste Kawhi's best years, and expect them to make some moves this summer.

I'll give them credit for lucking out with Leonard but without him, they're a bottom feeder. This is the 90s all over again. I don't expect Kawhi sticking it out long term if the Spurs can't make significant upgrades to this roster.

Also, Gasol opting out and signing long term with the Spurs isn't the kind of move you make if the Spurs are planning to sit back and pay off some loyalty for the next year. That has the potential to be s disastrous flexibility crusher ahead of next year's free agency. Signing a guys like Simmons and Paddy to multi year mega deals based on market value would also destroy the Spurs future flexibility.

[SAGirl]

smh What could've been. He actually wasn't completely terrible.

glass knees... he's on the Tiago splitter career path...
if only they were healthy and not DNP-injured list...

[SAGirl]

I'll give them credit for lucking out with Leonard but without him, they're a bottom feeder. This is the 90s all over again. I don't expect Kawhi sticking it out long term if the Spurs can't make significant upgrades to this roster.

Also, Gasol opting out and signing long term with the Spurs isn't the kind of move you make if the Spurs are planning to sit back and pay off some loyalty for the next year. That has the potential to be s disastrous flexibility crusher ahead of next year's free agency. Signing a guys like Simmons and Paddy to multi year mega deals based on market value would also destroy the Spurs future flexibility.

/sigh
that's depressing.
I like Jsimms but no on some mega max deal lol
Paddy: hopefully he gets paid somewhere else. If he's back for $15 mill. :bang

[loveforthegame]

PJ Tucker and Kyle Korver. If that's not a smokescreen for what the Spurs are really after I'm going to hit the bottle harder than RC ever did.

[GSH]

I'll give them credit for lucking out with Leonard but without him, they're a bottom feeder. This is the 90s all over again. I don't expect Kawhi sticking it out long term if the Spurs can't make significant upgrades to this roster.

Also, Gasol opting out and signing long term with the Spurs isn't the kind of move you make if the Spurs are planning to sit back and pay off some loyalty for the next year. That has the potential to be s disastrous flexibility crusher ahead of next year's free agency. Signing a guys like Simmons and Paddy to multi year mega deals based on market value would also destroy the Spurs future flexibility.


I took a lot of shit here exactly one year ago, for saying the Spurs should have taken a year off to rebuild. Damn near everyone here jumped on the bandwagon that the Spurs couldn't afford to "waste" a year of Kawhi/LMA. I said that there was zero chance of them getting all the way to the Finals, and it was EXACTLY the time do a 1 year rebuild. So they made it to the WCF, and Kawhi/Tony got hurt, and a bunch of people told themselves that the Spurs really would have won it all, if not for some bad luck. I was looking at the future of the franchise vs. an almost non-existent chance of a Championship. The Spurs were already in cap hell last season, and they just made it worse rather than biting the bullet and dealing with a mounting problem.

Now here we are facing the EXACT problems I said the Spurs would have this year. They have too many contracts, and too many holes too fill without the cap space to do it. You're right, they're sitting at an inflection point, and the direction they go is going to have some long-term consequences. You're also right that the move with Gasol looks a lot like they are still not going to bite the bullet and do a proper rebuild. The big problem is, even if they make the right decisions, it's a year too late to do it right. Because last year they could have gotten some younger players, future picks, and tanked for a decent pick this year. All the pain would be out of the way, some of the pieces would already be in place, and they would have some serious cap space for this years FA class.

They just took on Gasol for three years - no matter what his skills were, he's old. It sure looks like they are keeping Parker (rather than biting the bullet), and I have this nasty feeling that they'll re-sign him for at least two more years, if he manages to come back in January. And I would be shocked if they don't bring in some other half-assed, over-used player at an inflated salary, with another 3 year contract or 3+1. Kawhi and local knowledge will carry them to a 24-25 draft pick, with a zero percent chance of holding the LOB at the end of this season. And THAT is the worst kind of waste of Kawhi's best years.

[GSH]

That's it for me until July 1st. Tired of hearing all these rumors, none of which have been positive on the spurs front.


Ok. See ya tonight.


:lol Yeah, midnight can't get here soon enough.

[look_at_g_shred]

:lol Yeah, midnight can't get here soon enough.

11 PM CST

[Maddog]

They've been loyal, and made it to the WCF last season, in which they got hit with the injury bug.

These guys will never fully rebuild anytime soon IMO. They "rebuilt" on the fly years ago, and the trade for Kawhi sprung this team back into serious contention. They'll do whatever is necessary to stay competitive, but I just don't believe they'll ever like just have all young/inexperienced guys out there in hopes of landing a lottery pick.

I also don't believe they'll sit back and waste Kawhi's best years, and expect them to make some moves this summer.


I'll give them credit for lucking out with Leonard but without him, they're a bottom feeder. This is the 90s all over again. I don't expect Kawhi sticking it out long term if the Spurs can't make significant upgrades to this roster.

Also, Gasol opting out and signing long term with the Spurs isn't the kind of move you make if the Spurs are planning to sit back and pay off some loyalty for the next year. That has the potential to be s disastrous flexibility crusher ahead of next year's free agency. Signing a guys like Simmons and Paddy to multi year mega deals based on market value would also destroy the Spurs future flexibility.

I'm with bklynspursfan
Sure they lucked into KL. They lucked into him because they where constantly trying to upgrade the roster, without top draft picks and inability to go way over the cap.
Look at all the champs since 2007, all where either way over the cap- or had multiple lottery picks in the years leading up to their title (sometimes both)- except one. If they are not able to surround KL with talent to compete, I wouldn't be shocked if they let him walk for mutual benefit.
I'm giving PATFO the benefit of the doubt for now. This will be an extremely tricky off season for reasons mentioned above.

[SAGirl]

They just took on Gasol for three years - no matter what his skills were, he's old. It sure looks like they are keeping Parker (rather than biting the bullet), and I have this nasty feeling that they'll re-sign him for at least two more years, if he manages to come back in January. And I would be shocked if they don't bring in some other half-assed, over-used player at an inflated salary, with another 3 year contract or 3+1. Kawhi and local knowledge will carry them to a 24-25 draft pick, with a zero percent chance of holding the LOB at the end of this season. And THAT is the worst kind of waste of Kawhi's best years.

that panorama is sad. and I know you are not some general debbie downer. Even I am getting depressed.

[cd98]

Who'd of thought a swamp would become such a destination for NBA players?

[BatManu20]

I take all these " Spurs interested in" with a Kilogram of salt
I have my doubts. The Spurs Like shooters, but a 36 year old....with lots of other needs

36 is like 25 in Spurs years.

[tbdog]

I'm with bklynspursfan
Sure they lucked into KL. They lucked into him because they where constantly trying to upgrade the roster, without top draft picks and inability to go way over the cap.
Look at all the champs since 2007, all where either way over the cap- or had multiple lottery picks in the years leading up to their title (sometimes both)- except one. If they are not able to surround KL with talent to compete, I wouldn't be shocked if they let him walk for mutual benefit.
I'm giving PATFO the benefit of the doubt for now. This will be an extremely tricky off season for reasons mentioned above.


I think we have not gone over cap in all our titles. If not, we defiantly have not paid tax. And back then, there wasn't repeater tax. Crazy how good we have been.

[BatManu20]

I hope so, but all signs point to sticking with the status-quo. They'll stay loyal to TP, Manu, Gasol, and look like they're stuck with Aldridge. They'll win 60 games and lose to the Warriors, and I think they're okay with that.

Bingo.

[rjv]

lots of competition today for the debbie downer trophy.

[tbdog]

I took a lot of shit here exactly one year ago, for saying the Spurs should have taken a year off to rebuild. Damn near everyone here jumped on the bandwagon that the Spurs couldn't afford to "waste" a year of Kawhi/LMA. I said that there was zero chance of them getting all the way to the Finals, and it was EXACTLY the time do a 1 year rebuild. So they made it to the WCF, and Kawhi/Tony got hurt, and a bunch of people told themselves that the Spurs really would have won it all, if not for some bad luck. I was looking at the future of the franchise vs. an almost non-existent chance of a Championship. The Spurs were already in cap hell last season, and they just made it worse rather than biting the bullet and dealing with a mounting problem.

Now here we are facing the EXACT problems I said the Spurs would have this year. They have too many contracts, and too many holes too fill without the cap space to do it. You're right, they're sitting at an inflection point, and the direction they go is going to have some long-term consequences. You're also right that the move with Gasol looks a lot like they are still not going to bite the bullet and do a proper rebuild. The big problem is, even if they make the right decisions, it's a year too late to do it right. Because last year they could have gotten some younger players, future picks, and tanked for a decent pick this year. All the pain would be out of the way, some of the pieces would already be in place, and they would have some serious cap space for this years FA class.

They just took on Gasol for three years - no matter what his skills were, he's old. It sure looks like they are keeping Parker (rather than biting the bullet), and I have this nasty feeling that they'll re-sign him for at least two more years, if he manages to come back in January. And I would be shocked if they don't bring in some other half-assed, over-used player at an inflated salary, with another 3 year contract or 3+1. Kawhi and local knowledge will carry them to a 24-25 draft pick, with a zero percent chance of holding the LOB at the end of this season. And THAT is the worst kind of waste of Kawhi's best years.

We are not in a bad situation or worse situation. Our aim was always space for 2018. We had a three year plan with this side. We are title condensers. And the only reason why it looks bad is because of Durant's decision. It has put in a massive spanner in the works.

[marinoman]

Let's do green + LMA + white/Anderson for Westbrook.

It'll never happen but let's dream

[TimDunkem]

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[SAGirl]

We are not in a bad situation or worse situation. Our aim was always space for 2018. We had a three year plan with this side. We are title condensers. And the only reason why it looks bad is because of Durant's decision. It has put in a massive spanner in the works.

nah... to me Lamarcus screwed up.
Also they got hit with injuries and that can happen to any team, but when you have ancient players, it has a bigger percentage of happening... also of those guys not coming back right... though the jury is still out on Tony.

[TimDunkem]

I guess Teodosic isn't coming?
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[NASpurs]

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[BatManu20]

George Hill to SA confirmed. :lobt2:


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[NASpurs]

George Hill to SA confirmed. :lobt2:


Let's hope not.

[raybies]

But do the Spurs want Hill?

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[BatManu20]

It's happening. Georgie and Pop reunited ❤️

[TimDunkem]

Please no. :(

[Nathan89]

Spurs are going to overpay Hill:bang

[NASpurs]

Another loser the Spurs can sign along with Korver.

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[TimDunkem]

I'll only take Hill if Hayward comes with him. :lol

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

First round pound.

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[NASpurs]

I'll only take Hill if Hayward comes with him. :lol

Man no shit, Hayward did say he wanted Hill to stay in Utah with him. :lol

[TimDunkem]

Spurs are going to overpay Hill:bang
Oft-injured now, getting old, not the best shooter, wants tons of cash...Ugh.

[TD 21]

Jazz were right to target cheaper, more dynamic PG, but they got the wrong one. Should have pushed hard for Bledsoe (to be fair, his availability was probably tied in part to Jackson going 3rd, in which case they probably would have picked Fox 4th). Still, no matter how much Hayward likes Hill, he should know this.

Wouldn't assume Hill to Spurs is done deal. Probably contingent on whether Timberwolves sign Lowry. They can easily outbid Spurs and offer a better long term situation.

I don't know why Spurs aren't linked to Griffin or Hayward. It's late to jump in, but they should have been in long ago. This team desperately needs another prominent player and still has enough cache to at least get a meeting with damn near anyone.

[NASpurs]

I don't want Hill :(

[TimDunkem]

Man no shit, Hayward did say he wanted Hill to stay in Utah with him. :lol
Maybe we're the mystery fourth team chasing Hayward...Pffft. We'd have to move Aldridge or Gasol and/or Green/TP(yeah right). Not happening. :(

[TimDunkem]

Wouldn't assume Hill to Spurs is done deal. Probably contingent on whether Timberwolves sign Lowry. They can easily outbid Spurs and offer a better long term situation.
This is what I'm hoping now.

[look_at_g_shred]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yD4OOoYmShg

[NASpurs]

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[NASpurs]

Maybe we're the mystery fourth team chasing Hayward...Pffft. We'd have to move Aldridge or Gasol and/or Green/TP(yeah right). Not happening. :(

Yeah I'm not expecting shit. Pop and RC are probably jerking each off in LA as we speak.

[raybies]

Hills market seems to be shrinking

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[TimDunkem]

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[NASpurs]

Do us a solid Minny and take Georgie :tu

[Nathan89]

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I'd take him for cheap. Better than overpaying Simmons.

[TimDunkem]

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[TimDunkem]

Done deal...Now go to Minny, Hill.

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[Dverde]

George Hill is not going to Minnesota over the Spurs. Poor spainard goes from Minn to Utah.

[TimDunkem]

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[Joseph Kony]

Lowry to Minny would be interesting. They really need some shooters though

[TD 21]

This is what I'm hoping now.

Hill makes sense. People need to get over money/term and think outside box.

If Redick, who's superior shooter, but 3 years older and inferior defender, goes for $16-18M, then even with cap leveling off and space drying up, why wouldn't Green command in that range in '18? And considering the $20M discount he gave Spurs in '15, wouldn't he be out for every last cent this time?

If so, as much as I like Green, I'd rather Hill, who's a better off the dribble version of Green, albeit at a different position. Still, he'd immediately be Spurs' best guard since '14 Parker and can play with any incumbent or future guards on both sides of ball, which is particularly important with Murray.

As an aside, everywhere Teodosic was rumored going (Nets, Bulls, Jazz), they've filled holes. Wonder if he eventually fall into MLE range and if Spurs would have interest if Hill goes elsewhere.

[TimDunkem]

Hill makes sense. People need to get over money/term and think outside box.

If Redick, who's superior shooter, but 3 years older and inferior defender, goes for $16-18M, then even with cap level off and spacing drying up, why wouldn't Green command in that range in '18? And considering the $20M discount he gave Spurs in '15, wouldn't he be out for every last cent this time?

If so, as much as I like Green, I'd rather Hill, who's a better off the dribble version of Green, albeit at a different position. Still, he'd immediately be Spurs' best guard since '14 Parker and can play with any incumbent or future guards on both sides of ball, which is particularly important with Murray.

As an aside, everywhere Teodosic was rumored going (Nets, Bulls, Jazz), they've filled holes. Wonder if he eventually fall into MLE range and if Spurs would have interest if Hill goes elsewhere.I'd rather the Spurs stick with the status-quo than tying themselves up with Hill. But that's just me.

[TimDunkem]

Hayward not tied up with Hill?
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[NASpurs]

Hill makes sense. People need to get over money/term and think outside box.

If Redick, who's superior shooter, but 3 years older and inferior defender, goes for $16-18M, then even with cap leveling off and space drying up, why wouldn't Green command in that range in '18? And considering the $20M discount he gave Spurs in '15, wouldn't he be out for every last cent this time?

If so, as much as I like Green, I'd rather Hill, who's a better off the dribble version of Green, albeit at a different position. Still, he'd immediately be Spurs' best guard since '14 Parker and can play with any incumbent or future guards on both sides of ball, which is particularly important with Murray.

As an aside, everywhere Teodosic was rumored going (Nets, Bulls, Jazz), they've filled holes. Wonder if he eventually fall into MLE range and if Spurs would have interest if Hill goes elsewhere.

He'll be great for those 50 games he plays for the year.

[NASpurs]

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[BatManu20]

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[TimDunkem]

So who's getting jettisoned for Hill's injury prone ass?
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[BatManu20]

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[NASpurs]

So who's getting jettisoned for Hill's injury prone ass?
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Parker's contract ideally but we all know that won't happen because as much as they are in a "win-now" mode, they're still being held back by the past with this shitty contract. So sayonara Green and hopefully LMA because of Parker.

[TimDunkem]

If the Spurs actually moved Parker instead of Green (who I've been hard on admittedly but would prefer over TP) then the Hill thing would be easier to swallow. We all know that's not happening though.

[TD 21]

He'll be great for those 50 games he plays for the year.

:lmao At Spurs fans. Don't do anything, just wait for unicorn . . .

Got to spend at least 90% of cap anyway, so would you rather, in '18, 31 year old Green for $16-18M per for 3-4 years (who might be 3 years deep in a shooting decline by then) or 31 year old Hill for say $20M per for 3 years (who's played best ball of his career in recent years)?

Also, Spurs can lessen Hill's cap hit by adding partially guaranteed 4th season or player option, which at that point if he's significantly declined and/or they need cap space, they can re-negotiate, like they did Jefferson and will do Gasol.

[BatManu20]

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[gambit1990]

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ugh.


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i'm a fan too.

[Chinook]

Why do people keep projecting Green to get a huge pay raise? What on Earth has he done to warrant that? I don't hate Hill. But the team needs to get back to the movement/quick-post game they had back in their last title run. I'm not sure that Hill's the guy that can help take them there.

[TimDunkem]

Why do people keep projecting Green to get a huge pay raise? What on Earth has he done to warrant that?
All-D second team!!! :cry :cry :cry

:lol

[gambit1990]

i thought okc got rubio for a sec :lol
sucks the jazz got him... i hope other teams like hill more than the spurs.

[tmtcsc]

I'd take Hill back if it meant shipping Parker's ass outta here. If the Spurs were able to keep Danny Green & get GH3, that would be a helluva defensive starting unit.

[Joseph Kony]

Lol, still dreaming about the Parker trade that won't ever happen

[NASpurs]

:lmao At Spurs fans. Don't do anything, just wait for unicorn . . .

Got to spend at least 90% of cap anyway, so would you rather, in '18, 31 year old Green for $16-18M per for 3-4 years (who might be 3 years deep in a shooting decline by then) or 31 year old Hill for say $20M per for 3 years (who's played best ball of his career in recent years)?

Also, Spurs can lessen Hill's cap hit by adding partially guaranteed 4th season or player option, which at that point if he's significantly declined and/or they need cap space, they can re-negotiate, like they did Jefferson and will do Gasol.

I can't get past the part when you said Danny's going to get 16 to 18 mil a year. :lol No way.

[Joseph Kony]

No one is paying a 31 year old Green 18 million a season :lol

[TimDunkem]

I'd take Hill back if it meant shipping Parker's ass outta here. If the Spurs were able to keep Danny Green & get GH3, that would be a helluva defensive starting unit.
Then trade LMA and sign Hayward. :smokin

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[TimDunkem]

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[r0drig0lac]

Then trade LMA and sign Hayward. :smokin

and Ingles

[SpursforSix]

Lol, still dreaming about the Parker trade that won't ever happen

yeah...but it sure is fun to pretend

[TimDunkem]

and Ingles
I can see a team offering him 10 mill a year, tbh. It's what Green got in a calmer market.

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:lmao fuck that, so long

[TimDunkem]

Yeah. Would rather not get tied up for four years with Hill. :lol

[Chinook]

I can see Danny opting in and getting a max extension on top of that (essentially signing a $44.8M/4 deal), but I don't see them giving him a ton of money UNLESS he plays like he did in his last contract year. That Danny was a top-40 player in the league, and combined with Kawhi and either an improved supporting cast or at least one in their own contract years (Pau, Kyle, Bertans), and the team could be a lot better than it currently projects to be. If that happens, 31-year-old Green may get that bigger offer. But I'd still rather have to make the decision on keeping him then than moving him and paying Hill that now.

[gambit1990]

i wanted rubio over hill, just my luck the jazz would get him for a non-lottery pick :lol

[TD 21]

Why do people keep projecting Green to get a huge pay raise? What on Earth has he done to warrant that? I don't hate Hill. But the team needs to get back to the movement/quick-post game they had back in their last title run. I'm not sure that Hill's the guy that can help take them there.


I can't get past the part when you said Danny's going to get 16 to 18 mil a year. :lol No way.

Warrant has nothing to do with it. He's a 3 and D wing, of a (late) prime age and impressive playoff pedigree. It's supply and demand. Any team with even one dynamic creator would likely think they could get him shooting back at or over 40 from 3, too. Again, if Redick goes for that, why wouldn't Green?

The team needs to get the best talent they can get, especially at guard. Of course, you'd like it to be better than Hill, but that doesn't appear to be the case. That he's a cultural fit (like it or not, that matters to them) and would fit with their two key building blocks helps too.

[Joseph Kony]

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so he will sign for less than the max if it's longer term? hmmm

[Joseph Kony]

Warrant has nothing to do with it. He's a 3 and D wing, of a (late) prime age and impressive playoff pedigree. It's supply and demand. Any team with even one dynamic creator would likely think they could get him shooting back at or over 40 from 3, too. Again, if Redick goes for that, why wouldn't Green?

The team needs to get the best talent they can get, especially at guard. Of course, you'd like it to be better than Hill, but that doesn't appear to be the case. That he's a cultural fit (like it or not, that matters to them) and would fit with their two key building blocks helps too.

Any team that is dumb enough to give Reddick 18-20 million is gonna regret it really fast. :lol

[tmtcsc]

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Oh nell no. Fuck that. I'm all for the Spurs spending Max money on Max players but Gill isn't that. Wait until next year if that's the case.

[TimDunkem]

so he will sign for less than the max if it's longer term? hmmm
He's increasingly injury prone and in his 30's. You sure you want him for four years around 20 mill a year?

[Joseph Kony]

It makes me wonder, why the fuck are NBA GMs so retarded? I'm convinced 90% of ST could make better personnel decisions than the majority of FOs around the league. crofl at overpaying scrubs like Mozgov/Turner/S. Hill/Noah/etc and trying to dump them by the end of the season :lmao

[Joseph Kony]

He's increasingly injury prone and in his 30's. You sure you want him for four years around 20 mill a year?
Fuck no, not really, but it's not like Spurs have a lot of options to get better immediately at this point. The whole PG situation just sucks right now, hopefully Murray is the real deal otherwise we're fucked

[gambit1990]

i already said it awhile back... sign livingston instead of hill.

2 years, $16 million instead of 4 years, $70 million.

[TimDunkem]

Fuck no, not really, but it's not like Spurs have a lot of options to get better immediately at this point. The whole PG situation just sucks right now, hopefully Murray is the real deal otherwise we're fucked
Might as well just roll with Murray and a vet or two, imo.

[gambit1990]

Might as well just roll with Murray and a vet or two, imo.
exactly why i want livingston. hill isn't what's going to put us over the top... not worth paying what he wants.

[Joseph Kony]

The only positive with Hill is he has gotten a lot better shooting from distance and he is a good defender and can play PG/SG. Spurs could run lanky defensive combos with Murray/Hill/Green/Leonard

[RD2191]

As I said, why the fuck would anyone want hill on this team?:lol

[TimDunkem]

That's if he can stay on the court...But, again, locking him up for four years at his age on a big contract doesn't make sense for a team like the Spurs.

[look_at_g_shred]

Give me Hill @ 2 years 24 mill

[TimDunkem]

Give me Hill @ 2 years 24 mill
Yuck.

[Chinook]

Warrant has nothing to do with it. He's a 3 and D wing, of a (late) prime age and impressive playoff pedigree. It's supply and demand. Any team with even one dynamic creator would likely think they could get him shooting back at or over 40 from 3, too. Again, if Redick goes for that, why wouldn't Green?

The team needs to get the best talent they can get, especially at guard. Of course, you'd like it to be better than Hill, but that doesn't appear to be the case. That he's a cultural fit (like it or not, that matters to them) and would fit with their two key building blocks helps too.

Green signed his last contract coming into an off-season where the market for three-and-D guys was almost identical to where it is now. We're talking about the summer of Demarre Carroll, and the same summer where SVG offered significantly more to Danny to go to DET. I don't see why all the sudden he'd be getting a huge deal now. Robert Covington? Definitely.

Hill is one of the few former Spurs of note in the league that left before the team moved to the motion offense. He's not really a fit in anything other than he's not vocal. Dude sent out dick pics of himself, dyed his hair blonde and had pissing matches with Spurs fans on Twitter. He's not anti-Spurs to any degree, but he's not someone you bring in to help balance out a locker room in flux.

It's just weird that you say on one hand that Danny will earn a big contract next summer and on the other hand say he's worth dumping for the last single lass at the ball. I don't know what they will or won't do, but a team keeping Parker's contract on their books is obviously not in the business of maximizing their talent.

[gambit1990]

plays with composure and poise. high bb iq, great passer, can post, can finish at the rim. he can be solid for us.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEudqPPP-q4

[TimDunkem]

Btw, this is what I thought Simmons would likely command:
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[Hoops Czar]

:lmao fuck that, so long
You state that as It's a matter of fact. :lol

[Dverde]

Pop wants to retire coaching his favorite player...he's too old to mess with boogie or swaggy p

[Hoops Czar]

Btw, this is what I thought Simmons would likely command:
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Det 2018 flexibilty though :lmao

[Chinook]

Btw, this is what I thought Simmons would likely command:
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I've been saying that a two-year deal at the MLE with an option makes sense for both sides. Either the team gets a guy relatively cheap even if he busts, or Simmons is good, opts out and is still an RFA. Seems like the best balance of risk for the Spurs, and if Simmons believes in himself, it works too, because he doesn't actually lose any potential salary next year taking this type of deal over signing an Arenas deal.

[r0drig0lac]

Btw, this is what I thought Simmons would likely command:
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[TD 21]

Green signed his last contract coming into an off-season where the market for three-and-D guys was almost identical to where it is now. We're talking about the summer of Demarre Carroll, and the same summer where SVG offered significantly more to Danny to go to DET. I don't see why all the sudden he'd be getting a huge deal now. Robert Covington? Definitely.

Hill is one of the few former Spurs of note in the league that left before the team moved to the motion offense. He's not really a fit in anything other than he's not vocal. Dude sent out dick pics of himself, dyed his hair blonde and had pissing matches with Spurs fans on Twitter. He's not anti-Spurs to any degree, but he's not someone you bring in to help balance out a locker room in flux.

It's just weird that you say on one hand that Danny will earn a big contract next summer and on the other hand say he's worth dumping for the last single lass at the ball. I don't know what they will or won't do, but a team keeping Parker's contract on their books is obviously not in the business of maximizing their talent.

I'm not going to repeat what I said, other than, why would Redick supposedly get that, but Green wouldn't?

They're not getting back to the "beautiful game" with Leonard and potentially Murray eventually as their two primary ball handlers anyway. That's a pipe dream. Hill's a fit with them and despite those incidents, Pop and Buford love him.

Spurs are now just like most everyone: they need talent and they can't afford to be overly picky about it. Also, it's just not Hill or Green because Green could be turned into a 1st (and if Hill is signed and Simmons re-signed, probably will be). So Hill for $2-4M more and a 1st or Green?

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[TimDunkem]

:vomit:

[Spur|n|Austin]

:lmao fuck that, so long

Yep - the dude is not worth MAX value. Nope.

[loveforthegame]

I can't stomach it. Make the Tucker and Korver talk go away. :(

[sasaint]

Just wait until he has real playmakers throwing him lobs where he has space because everyone is busy watching their shooters. :lol

:tu I lamented all year that we used Deadman's roll game in our offense very infrequently.

[Chinook]

I'm not going to repeat what I said, other than, why would Redick supposedly get that, but Green wouldn't?

I appreciate that. I don't think the Redick comparison makes any more sense than the Carroll one. Green has had two opportunities to leave for the highest bidder after having great contract years and didn't. I don't see why he'd decide to go for it this time. It's possible a random team would offer that if he has a third great contract year. But if he requires a deal the Spurs can't/won't match, he'll leave, and that will be fine.


They're not getting back to the "beautiful game" with Leonard and potentially Murray eventually as their two primary ball handlers anyway. That's a pipe dream. Hill's a fit with them and despite those incidents, Pop and Buford love him.

"The Beautiful Game" as you seem to be describing it was a state the offense reached every once in a while. It was not their regular offense those seasons. Their regular offense looked a lot like it does now, but it was quicker and more decisive. Getting back to that state is hardly asking for the moon. They need someone who can run the Zipper Series again (meaning a mid-range PG with wheels) and a big who can hit shots in the post (Leonard could actually do this if the team gets a stretch-big).

Hill is hardly an ideal fit for this type of offense. He fits sort of with Leonard if the team commits to the iso-heavy bogged down execution they've suffered from the last two-and-a-half seasons. If they want to actually start leveraging Kawhi's talent to get good looks, they'll go elsewhere.


Spurs are now just like most everyone: they need talent and they can't afford to be overly picky about it. Also, it's just not Hill or Green because Green could be turned into a 1st (and if Hill is signed and Simmons re-signed, probably will be). So Hill for $2-4M more and a 1st or Green?

It's not Hill at a bit more and a pick for Green. It's Hill locked into a long-term contract over a Green going into a contract year then expiring. The first may or may not be good (like the OKC first Orlando owns is terrible). Even if Green were traded, I'm not keen to offer the money to Hill.

[objective]

I've never understood the fascination so many Spurs fans have with Livingston.

Just because he always posts and dominates the crap spurs midgets like Porker and Mills doesn't mean he's that great, he just looks great against the Spurs. Once Murray got matched with him he was neutralized.

[RD2191]

I've never understood the fascination so many Spurs fans have with Livingston.

Just because he always posts and dominates the crap spurs midgets like Porker and Mills doesn't mean he's that great, he just looks great against the Spurs. Once Murray got matched with him he was neutralized.

TBH

[Nathan89]

If Spurs sign Hill they better dump Parker and go after Jame Johnson. There isn't even a spot on the team in coming years if they have expectations for Murray.

Hill
Green
Leonard
Johnson
Aldridge

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[sasaint]

Parker's contract ideally but we all know that won't happen because as much as they are in a "win-now" mode, they're still being held back by the past with this shitty contract. So sayonara Green and hopefully LMA because of Parker.

PATFO has been in win-now mode. With all that has happened so far this off-season, they will have to make a decision: jettison Parker to continue in that mode or carry his $15MM carcass and have a serious retooling year. Trying to do both this season seems like complete schizophrenia to me.

[TimDunkem]

If the Spurs REALLY want to win now they'd trade TP(preferably) or Green and LMA or Gasol. Otherwise, it's going to be much of the same, or just the team minus Green plus Hill which doesn't make you all that much better anyway.

[Mal]

Would you sign Hill 64/4 and get rid of Green ? I would.do it.

[TimDunkem]

Would you sign Hill 64/4 and get rid of Green ? I would.do it.
Not for four years no.

[sasaint]

Then trade LMA and sign Hayward. :smokin

If Hayward really does value playing with GHill, then that seems like a dream - not a pipe-dream, but a dream.