Official 2017 Offseason Thread

[Mugen]

When can the Spurs offer a Harden-like extension to Kawhi tbh?

[Chinook]

When can the Spurs offer a Harden-like extension to Kawhi tbh?

After this upcoming season :depressed

[Mugen]

After this upcoming season :depressed

Damn. Thanks.

[jyra]

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That's a bit more than the Spurs can offer. I wouldn't want go give him the LLE, a competent big is more needed.

[DPG21920]

i wonder if SA really has no idea on Manus plan?

[TimDunkem]

I'd be shocked if Manu finally retires, tbh.

[ceperez]

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That's a bit more than the Spurs can offer. I wouldn't want go give him the LLE, a competent big is more needed.

That's $8.55 m for 3 years or $2.85m per year. Is that over the LLE?

[Seventyniner]

That's $8.55 m for 3 years or $2.85m per year. Is that over the LLE?

I believe it is also reported in after-tax money, making it even farther above the LLE.

[SAGirl]

Murray-Mills-White-Tony
Green-Forbes
Kawhi-Gay-Anderson-Blossomgame
Aldridge-Bertans

5 spots to fill. 3 of them will probably go to bigmen (one most likely to Gasol) and the other 2 to wings (Manu and Simmons?).

Biggest question mark is if Aldridge will get traded.

Incorrect math.
With everyone under contract you have only 4 spots left not including Manu, Simmons and Pau. If you account for all 3, you only have 1 spot left which should be a legit 3rd string center.

guards= Murray, Mills, White, Tony, Danny, Forbes = 6 spots
(possible additions = Manu, Simmons) (2)
forwards: Kawhi, Anderson, Gay = 3 spots
bigs: LMA, Bertans = 2 spots
(possible = Pau) = 1

This is unusual since Spurs like to leave one spot for one of the camp invites but since Forbes' contract is not guaranteed we can count his spot as the one under dispute.

[SAGirl]

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That's a bit more than the Spurs can offer. I wouldn't want go give him the LLE, a competent big is more needed.

I had not seen that thanks for sharing.
I guess Manu really is not retiring.

[SpurPadre]

Fuck that old geriatric rookie Hanga anyways. Only room for one old fuck off the bench: Manu!!!!!

[Leetonidas]

Um he's like 28...

[SAGirl]

Fuck that old geriatric rookie Hanga anyways. Only room for one old fuck off the bench: Manu!!!!!

and Pau....

[SAGirl]

Um he's like 28...

:lol Spurpadre wants Manu back is all.
yea Hanga is same age as Simms, who nobody would call an old fuck. He is just about 3-6 months in the same range as him is what I remember.

[ace3g]

SportsCenter @SportsCenter
(https://twitter.com/SportsCenter) 1h (https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/883822122136686594)
This Just In: Jamal Crawford plans to sign a two-year, $9M deal with the Timberwolves. More: es.pn/2tu2tbX (https://t.co/PTv6iGQIkH)

[marinoman]

Hanga is excellent on D, shoots 40% from 3 (the euro 3 line) and makes good hard cuts, id rather have him than green

[tholdren]

and Pau....

Go figure, you like gasol

[ducks]

Per the latest collective bargaining agreement of last December, teams are allowed to waive one player who was on their roster last summer, without his salary counting against the cap.

Teams that did not use it for last season faced a Tuesday deadline to trigger it for 2012-13. Those teams, like the Spurs, who have yet to use the amnesty provision can roll it over throughout the life of the CBA.
http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursnation/2012/07/17/spurs-turn-keys-over-to-leonard-this-summer/amp/


Did spurs ever use that?

[tholdren]

Timberwolves look stout on paper.

[DAF86]

Incorrect math.
With everyone under contract you have only 4 spots left not including Manu, Simmons and Pau. If you account for all 3, you only have 1 spot left which should be a legit 3rd string center.

guards= Murray, Mills, White, Tony, Danny, Forbes = 6 spots
(possible additions = Manu, Simmons) (2)
forwards: Kawhi, Anderson, Gay = 3 spots
bigs: LMA, Bertans = 2 spots
(possible = Pau) = 1

This is unusual since Spurs like to leave one spot for one of the camp invites but since Forbes' contract is not guaranteed we can count his spot as the one under dispute.

Aren't there 17 spots to fill?

[SAGirl]

Aren't there 17 spots to fill?
I am not counting the two way spots..
that could be anyone in the Austin team that would only come up if there are injuries, could be blossomgame, someone else they like? Doesn't matter.

[SAGirl]

wrong thread.

[Hoops Czar]

Didn't realize the Timberwolves were such a desirable place to play.

[SpurPadre]

and Pau....

Yeah, you're right. We have no better options at the 5

[BatManu20]

:worthy:

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[BatManu20]

Didn't think they would.


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[Dverde]

But why?


Didn't think they would.


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[objective]

It's going to be pretty funny if Hanga is gone, Manu retires, and one of the last teams with space signs Simmons to a deal the Spurs don't match on.

And no Milutinov

And funny to see them once again get suckered on the Gay deal. All his other good options off the table for mle money ... Still suckers the Spurs into a player option for a 30 year old iso player with a blown achilles

[Kindergarten Cop]

It's going to be pretty funny if Hanga is gone, Manu retires, and one of the last teams with space signs Simmons to a deal the Spurs don't match on.

And no Milutinov

And funny to see them once again get suckered on the Gay deal. All his other good options off the table for mle money ... Still suckers the Spurs into a player option for a 30 year old iso player with a blown achilles

Honest question- as a Spurs fan, why would that scenario be "funny"?

[ducks]

Yeah spur fans would really think that is funny

[tonight...you]

:worthy:

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What's that old boy's contract situation? His height would be so dominating, on offense, against the Warriors. On D? Uhh...
His height would be so dominating on offense!

[tonight...you]

It's going to be pretty funny if Hanga is gone, Manu retires, and one of the last teams with space signs Simmons to a deal the Spurs don't match on.

And no Milutinov

And funny to see them once again get suckered on the Gay deal. All his other good options off the table for mle money ... Still suckers the Spurs into a player option for a 30 year old iso player with a blown achilles
So funny...

[r0drig0lac]

It's going to be pretty funny if Hanga is gone, Manu retires, and one of the last teams with space signs Simmons to a deal the Spurs don't match on.

And no Milutinov

And funny to see them once again get suckered on the Gay deal. All his other good options off the table for mle money ... Still suckers the Spurs into a player option for a 30 year old iso player with a blown achilles

funny?? really?

[objective]

Honest question- as a Spurs fan, why would that scenario be "funny"?

What else could you do but laugh?

It would be such a dumb summer on top of Mills and Pau that it's just funny.

Between Mills, Gay, and a likely Pau deal they'll have maybe $30 less million in cap room next summer. That's funny also, like ha-ha funny

[BatManu20]

It's going to be pretty funny if Hanga is gone, Manu retires, and one of the last teams with space signs Simmons to a deal the Spurs don't match on.

And no Milutinov

And funny to see them once again get suckered on the Gay deal. All his other good options off the table for mle money ... Still suckers the Spurs into a player option for a 30 year old iso player with a blown achilles

Then you get desperate and do what you must to sign D-Rose for this upcoming season, tbh.

[ace3g]

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[objective]

Then you get desperate and do what you must to sign D-Rose for this upcoming season, tbh.

Another point guard, that's funny also. I like it.

[BatManu20]

I can't stand Murray's jump shot tbh...

I'm not giving up on him after a couple poor SL games obv, but he's just never going to be a very good shooter. For shame.

[BatManu20]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEQpAM-UAAA5NUG.jpg:large


What could've been :cry

[spurraider21]

I had not seen that thanks for sharing.
I guess Manu really is not retiring.
:lol what? so barcelona was waiting on manu's decision before offering hanga a contract? oh ok

[Atl Spur]

Honest question- as a Spurs fan, why would that scenario be "funny"?

This

[Blackjack]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEQpAM-UAAA5NUG.jpg:large

Now that's funny. :lol

[RD2191]

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"We respect you Pop but Fuck you"

[tonight...you]

"We respect you Pop but Fuck you"
Harden be like, "Yo Pop, there's a lot of fine-ass wine up in the strip club homie."

[ducks]

Then you get desperate and do what you must to sign D-Rose for this upcoming season, tbh.

Depends on the $

[Budkin]

What could've been :cry

Those pussies would never be able to play for Pop because he would hurt their feelings too much (see LaMarsha).

[Atl Spur]

"We respect you Pop but Fuck you"
Lol

[cd98]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEQpAM-UAAA5NUG.jpg:large

"You don't need me. You got Murray and Mills and White. You don't need to sign any other point guards. It's going to be tough to beat you guys."

[ace3g]

Shams Charania @ShamsCharania
(https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania) now (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/883885461944451072)
Sources: Bulls pulled qualifying offer on forward Joffrey Lauvergne, making him unrestricted free agent. Several teams showing interest.

[TimDunkem]

Already got a soft three-point shooting center on the team.

[FkLA]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEQpAM-UAAA5NUG.jpg:large

"Get scrip clubs out of your system with this choke artist this year, CP3. I'll see you in SA next year."

[BatManu20]

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[LittleCriminal]

So im guessing the rockets are trading Anderson/Ariza for Melo?

[sasaint]

"You don't need me. You got Murray and Mills and White. You don't need to sign any other point guards. It's going to be tough to beat you guys."

:lol I am hoping Forbes will bail us out at this point.

[apalisoc_9]

Wouldn't mind Joffrey lauvergne.

He can shoot the ball, he can roll.

Terrible facial hair though.

[BatManu20]

The Zen Master trolling twitter.

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[BatManu20]

Smh.

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[tholdren]

The Zen Master trolling twitter.

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Thought this was pau.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 13s (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/883906068899909632)
Toronto has traded DeMarre Carroll, a future first-round and second-round pick to Brooklyn for Justin Hamilton, league sources tell ESPN.

[Emperor]

Val's replacement?

[SAGirl]

Go figure, you like gasol
I have been critical of him all season if you paid attention...
Gasol is expected back in the team... I didn't advocate for him.

[TimDunkem]

Val's replacement?
Salary dump... A bad one at that because they just gave up both draft picks for next year. :lol

[SAGirl]

:lol what? so barcelona was waiting on manu's decision before offering hanga a contract? oh ok
what?
barcelona always wanted Hanga, heck he declined contract offers to come to the NBA this season. It was Hanga who was waiting on the Spurs to make up his mind. While Spurs twiddled thumbs, Barcelona kept upping the ante.

[raybies]

Sean Marks ain't doing too bad.

Russell/Lin/Carroll/Booker/Mozgov

In the weak East, maybe they sneak into the Playoffs.

Now they got a pick in 2018 and after this they will have all their firsts.

But seriously they won't be in the playoffs but best case scenario they don't give Boston another top 10 pick

[SAGirl]

What else could you do but laugh?

It would be such a dumb summer on top of Mills and Pau that it's just funny.

Between Mills, Gay, and a likely Pau deal they'll have maybe $30 less million in cap room next summer. That's funny also, like ha-ha funny

I think guys also don't understand sarcasm...

[SAGirl]

It's going to be pretty funny if Hanga is gone, Manu retires, and one of the last teams with space signs Simmons to a deal the Spurs don't match on.

And no Milutinov

And funny to see them once again get suckered on the Gay deal. All his other good options off the table for mle money ... Still suckers the Spurs into a player option for a 30 year old iso player with a blown achilles
I have a suspicion Spurs are risking it with Hanga and Simmons bc they already know Manu is coming back one season.
Between that, Gay and a gazzilion guards they have drafted/signed they think they will be ok.

BTW forum: that was sarcasm.

[cjw]

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Raptors get a trade exception out of this, but man did Carroll take a Gerald Wallace like dive or what? Nets using up that cap space on things other than Simmons too, which is a plus.

[DPG21920]

Would anyone give up SA's 2018 2nd round pick + Mills for Jeremy Lin?

[SAGirl]

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nah...
Pop asking, so you got the banana boat reunion thingy planned going already?

[SAGirl]

Smh.

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That Philly luck... looking very Portland? bad joke?

[tholdren]

nah...
Pop asking, so you got the banana boat reunion thingy planned going already?

Best of all your 15k, easily

[SAGirl]

Best of all your 15k, easily
:toast I see I have a follower/stalker... nice development.

[marinoman]

Would anyone give up SA's 2018 2nd round pick + Mills for Jeremy Lin?
I'm guessing you would

[ace3g]

It could be a salary cap timing thing and no big deal but maybe the Spurs are still searching on a sign and trade partner for Patty. I mean the Spurs haven't officially announced the signing yet.

[MannyIsGod]

It could be a salary cap timing thing and no big deal but maybe the Spurs are still searching on a sign and trade partner for Patty. I mean the Spurs haven't officially announced the signing yet.

And they won't till they're done. That cap hold is much better for flexibility of making moves. There's zero chance of a Patty sign and trade.

[MannyIsGod]

It's going to be pretty funny if Hanga is gone, Manu retires, and one of the last teams with space signs Simmons to a deal the Spurs don't match on.

And no Milutinov

And funny to see them once again get suckered on the Gay deal. All his other good options off the table for mle money ... Still suckers the Spurs into a player option for a 30 year old iso player with a blown achilles

We're really going to really complain about an 8 million dollar player option on a player who's upside is huge? REALLY? Some of you had some insane expectations coming into this offseason if you are this upset about it.

[tdunk21]

Thought this was pau.

see clearly... there is no one between his legs.... lol

[spursistan]

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Great move by SVG to renounce him. Who the fuck this dude think he is? :lol..

[RD2191]

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Great move by SVG to renounce him. Who the fuck this dude think he is? :lol..

Bum ass nigga averages 13 ppg and wants a max contract. :lol

[Mr. Body]

Sean Marks ain't doing too bad.

Russell/Lin/Carroll/Booker/Mozgov

In the weak East, maybe they sneak into the Playoffs.

Now they got a pick in 2018 and after this they will have all their firsts.

But seriously they won't be in the playoffs but best case scenario they don't give Boston another top 10 pick

He's doing the right things. Carefully build up assets, use cap space as a dumping ground from other teams so long as they give you picks. Find bargains.

[apalisoc_9]

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Great move by SVG to renounce him. Who the fuck this dude think he is? :lol..

He's going to regret not accepting that offer..

[YGWHI]

Yep, Bradley doesn't shoot that well but Danny isn't 2014-Green anymore.

SAS just have players who are getting old, young players who won't see minutes unless a bad injury of a starter like in Murray situation...

I wonder when the Spurs get elite players on the same Kawhi's timeline to make SAS' future outlook a little cleaner.

In 2018? Really? They could sign just ONE great FA so what would be exactly Spurs' core in Kawhi's prime years?

That's why Wolves off-season moves look way better than Houston's..They have 3 great players on the same timeline. Like Warriors.

I'm not sure about the way that the Spurs are building their future...

[Mr. Body]

Yep, Bradley doesn't shoot that well but Danny isn't 2014-Green anymore.

SAS just have players who are getting old, young players who won't see minutes unless a bad injury of a starter like in Murray situation...

I wonder when the Spurs get elite players on the same Kawhi's timeline to make SAS' future outlook a little cleaner.

In 2018? Really? They could sign just ONE great FA so what would be exactly Spurs' core in Kawhi's prime years?

That's why Wolves off-season moves look way better than Houston's..They have 3 great players on the same timeline. Like Warriors.

I'm not sure about the way that the Spurs are building their future...

Minnesota doesn't even have one great player. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[ace3g]

Sportando @Sportando
(https://twitter.com/Sportando) 1m (https://twitter.com/Sportando/status/884078634209861632)
If Hanga and Larkin don’t officially sign the offer sheets by today. They can only play with Baskonia unless there is a negotiation&buyout




Gerard Solé (https://twitter.com/gsole14) (https://twitter.com/gsole14) @gsole14 (https://twitter.com/gsole14)


Sobre Larkin y Hanga. El punto uno. Si Barcelona (o otro Liga Endesa) no presenta oferta HOY, sólo podrán jugar con Baskonia salvo traspaso
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About Larkin and Hanga. Point one. If Barcelona (o another League Endesa) doesn't offer today, they can only play with Baskonia except transfer

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DETf0ISXsAAUYAf.jpg:small (https://t.co/XIdcMaJ1JN)

[KDKSpurs24]

Minnesota doesn't even have one great player. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
KAT will be a monster next season. I would consider the Wolves a terribly built team (and with a 'score-first pg' Teague at point guard included with those other guys they might be) but KAT balances everything out with being one of the most versatile big men I've seen.

[Mr. Body]

KAT will be a monster next season. I would consider the Wolves a terribly built team (and with a 'score-first pg' Teague at point guard included with those other guys they might be) but KAT balances everything out with being one of the most versatile big men I've seen.

That's fine. Kentucky players don't move the needle much for me in terms of winning games. He'd be the first. Davis has kind of plateaued in my estimation.

[Clipper Nation]

That's fine. Kentucky players don't move the needle much for me in terms of winning games. He'd be the first. Davis has kind of plateaued in my estimation.
Uh, there's a guy named John Wall who went to Kentucky and then turned a hapless Wizards franchise into a perennial playoff team.

:lol Your takes

[Mr. Body]

Uh, there's a guy named John Wall who went to Kentucky and then turned a hapless Wizards franchise into a perennial playoff team.

:lol Your takes

He's done alright. I'm not too impressed by the wizards. They're fine for an Eastern Conference, where a 55 win team is the top of the heap every year.

I'm talking actual contention. A guy named David Robinson took a team to the playoffs every year with a pretty shitty supporting cast, something Anthony Davis fails to do.

So, no, still not impressed by Kentucky players, one single sort of example notwithstanding.

[Clipper Nation]

He's done alright. I'm not too impressed by the wizards. They're fine for an Eastern Conference, where a 55 win team is the top of the heap every year.

I'm talking actual contention. A guy named David Robinson took a team to the playoffs every year with a pretty shitty supporting cast, something Anthony Davis fails to do.

So, no, still not impressed by Kentucky players, one single sort of example notwithstanding.
Pretty sure the reason the Wizards aren't contenders is because Ernie Grunfeld somehow has unlimited job security. Not because they drafted a Kentucky player.

[Mr. Body]

Pretty sure the reason the Wizards aren't contenders is because Ernie Grunfeld somehow has unlimited job security. Not because they drafted a Kentucky player.

Haha, nice try.

If Wall was Paul Pierce or Iverson or Vince Carter, they'd be in the ECF every year. But no, he's just John Wall.

[Leetonidas]

That's fine. Kentucky players don't move the needle much for me in terms of winning games. He'd be the first. Davis has kind of plateaued in my estimation.

Davis just turned 24 a couple months ago and put up career highs in points and rebounds last season. Dafuq are you talking about lol

[Clipper Nation]

Haha, nice try.

If Wall was Paul Pierce or Iverson or Vince Carter, they'd be in the ECF every year. But no, he's just John Wall.
:lol Yeah, Pierce (before his team was gifted Allen and KG) and Vince were real winners. Fuck, you're retarded.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 38s (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884102281884442624)
Toronto is finalizing a sign-and-trade with Indiana to move Cory Joseph for CJ Miles, league sources tell ESPN.

[Mr. Body]

:lol Yeah, Pierce (before his team was gifted Allen and KG) and Vince were real winners. Fuck, you're retarded.

Look up what ECF stands for, you diseased moron.

[ace3g]

Adrian Wojnarowski @wojespn
(https://twitter.com/wojespn) 19s (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884105888839081984)
Sources: Toronto-Indiana deal is agreed in principle. Miles will sign a 3-year, approximately $25M deal with Raptors, with player option.

[Hoops Czar]

So the so called "one that got away" future Spurs PG is on the move again.

[Mr. Body]

So the so called "one that got away" future Spurs PG is on the move again.

Players outside the Spurs system have not always done well.

[palangi]

Players outside the Spurs system have not always done well.

I thought CoJo has played well for them. Maybe they want to give their first rounder the minutes now, Delone Wright?

[SAGirl]

Gerard Solé (https://twitter.com/gsole14) @gsole14 (https://twitter.com/gsole14)


Sobre Larkin y Hanga. El punto uno. Si Barcelona (o otro Liga Endesa) no presenta oferta HOY, sólo podrán jugar con Baskonia salvo traspaso
Translated from Spanish by
About Larkin and Hanga. Point one. If Barcelona (o another League Endesa) doesn't offer today, they can only play with Baskonia except transfer

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DETf0ISXsAAUYAf.jpg:small (https://t.co/XIdcMaJ1JN)
Apparently two Spanish teams were competing to sign Hanga. He's not barred from playing in a different league so far (contract is not signed/burocrátic procedures not completed).

[ace3g]

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[Dverde]

Simmons losing money and teams by the day. He better do something quick, he got daughters to feed.

[SAGirl]

Simmons losing money and teams by the day. He better do something quick, he got daughters to feed.

He must have tentative/conditional offers from teams, IMO. He must be waiting to see what happens with other FA. I doubt he's just languishing out there with no offers.

[Hoops Czar]

Simmons losing money and teams by the day. He better do something quick, he got daughters to feed.

Nonsense. He's got one laughable offer on the table and it isn't going anywhere. He can play around as long as he wants because he knows he's guaranteed at least 9M.

[cjw]

Not sure why the Raptors didn't just pick up Miles into trade exception created with Carroll? Or can you not sign into a trade exception?

Or maybe the Pacers wanted some value in return in Joseph to facilitate the S&T?

[jyra]

Not sure why the Raptors didn't just pick up Miles into trade exception created with Carroll? Or can you not sign into a trade exception?

Or maybe the Pacers wanted some value in return in Joseph to facilitate the S&T?

You can use the TE for a sign-and-trade but Toronto would be over the tax if they didn't shed Cojo's salary.

[Hoops Czar]

Not sure why the Raptors didn't just pick up Miles into trade exception created with Carroll? Or can you not sign into a trade exception?

Or maybe the Pacers wanted some value in return in Joseph to facilitate the S&T?

Toronto's been trying to dump CoJo for past year so this wasn't surprising.

[cd98]

Toronto realizing too late that they paid too much to CoJo. Dumb signing on their part. CoJo is a fine player, but they paid him close to star level money.

[YGWHI]

Minnesota doesn't even have one great player. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Towns and Butler are great, give me Butler over Irving/Klay all day.

Wiggins is just 22 years old. There are many things that he will never be but he'll improve the good things that he already has.

Like it or not, having a core on the same timeline is something that Kawhi and the Spurs lack.....

[Pavlov]

Suck forever, get timeline c:cryre.

Lakers try that.

[cjw]

You can use the TE for a sign-and-trade but Toronto would be over the tax if they didn't shed Cojo's salary.

That's right, forgot about Miles' salary coming back in that would have pushed them above the tax.

Surprised they didn't try to offload JVal somewhere. Antiquated big and has plateaued - stats are super misleading. And paying a "27" year old Ibaka $20+...

[loveforthegame]

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[FkLA]

Toronto realizing too late that they paid too much to CoJo. Dumb signing on their part. CoJo is a fine player, but they paid him close to star level money.

Wut? They signed him to a 4yr, $30 million deal.

[ace3g]

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[Clipper Nation]

RE: Baynes:

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Yikes.

[YGWHI]

We'll play smallball with a bunch of guy who don't shoot that well from 3...Murray, Gay, and our true 3-point shooters Danny 34P% Patty 36 3P% in last playoffs.

Iso-Spurs and more Danny drives...Love it.

[YGWHI]

Suck forever, get timeline c:cryre.

Lakers try that.

Lakers what? You lost good drafted prospects for nothing. If Spurs were lucky enough to have those many top picks they would have won 3 rings in the last 5 years but LAL couldn't even make the playoffs.

[Pavlov]

Lakers what? You lost good drafted prospects for nothing. If Spurs were lucky enough to have those many top picks they would have won 3 rings in the last 5 years but LAL couldn't even make the playoffs.Said try.

[YGWHI]

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I wonder if Boston signing Baynes means they aren't curious about Dedmon anymore

[raybies]

I wonder if Boston signing Baynes means they aren't curious about Dedmon anymore
Yeah thought the same. They really don't have cap for Dedmon unless they sign and trade. But I figure Dedmon is still asking mid level or higher and they made the move for Baynes cause he comes cheaper. Good for him.

[YGWHI]

Yeah thought the same. They really don't have cap for Dedmon unless they sign and trade. But I figure Dedmon is still asking mid level or higher and they made the move for Baynes cause he comes cheaper. Good for him.

Agree. Dedmon is asking for more, the same with RFA JaMychal Green, that's why we dont hear offers for them yet. In JG case, even when Grizz wont match.

[raybies]

Agree. Dedmon is asking for more, the same with RFA JaMychal Green, that's why we dont hear offers for them yet. In JG case, even when Grizz wont match.
I wonder if there is a price in PATFO's head that they consider is to good to pass up for Dedmon, or if they have no interest in re-signing him.

[Mal]

Which team have cap space or MLE ? Is there any list ?

[jyra]

Which team have cap space or MLE ? Is there any list ?

I like this site, lots of cap numbers and other stuff: http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/

Each team page includes the exceptions they have left.

[Hoops Czar]

Oh noes, another Spurstalk Spurs target off the board that could have been had for peanuts.

[TD 21]

Dedmon would have been better fit for Celtics than Baynes. Looks like Hawks, Nets or Suns (if Len is renounced) for him, but if less than MLE, would imagine his representative(s) get fired.

Get that demeanor may not be that of typical Spur, but neither is Gay's game and that shouldn't detract from fact that they have clear need for someone like him.



Yep, Bradley doesn't shoot that well but Danny isn't 2014-Green anymore.

SAS just have players who are getting old, young players who won't see minutes unless a bad injury of a starter like in Murray situation...

I wonder when the Spurs get elite players on the same Kawhi's timeline to make SAS' future outlook a little cleaner.

In 2018? Really? They could sign just ONE great FA so what would be exactly Spurs' core in Kawhi's prime years?

That's why Wolves off-season moves look way better than Houston's..They have 3 great players on the same timeline. Like Warriors.

I'm not sure about the way that the Spurs are building their future...

Pistons essentially turned Caldwell-Pope, Morris and 2nd into Bradley and in a year's time, they'll have to give him an extension similar to the one they would have had to give to Caldwell-Pope. They also probably blew 11th pick passing on Mitchell and clearly misread market by splurging early on Galloway, giving them pint sized guard rotation. Expensive, unimpressive roster, that lacks upside.

Timberwolves started with a bang getting Butler. Teague over Hill is defensible, but latter was better fit with 3 ball dominant types already. Gibson made little sense and Crawford made even less. They should make playoffs, but are being overrated because amount of big names . . . and Wiggins isn't great.

[Chinook]

Pistons GOT a second in the Morris deal.

[Mr. Body]

Dedmon would have been better fit for Celtics than Baynes. Looks like Hawks, Nets or Suns (if Len is renounced) for him, but if less than MLE, would imagine his representative(s) get fired.

Get that demeanor may not be that of typical Spur, but neither is Gay's game and that shouldn't detract from fact that they have clear need for someone like him.




Pistons essentially turned Caldwell-Pope, Morris and 2nd into Bradley and in a year's time, they'll have to give him an extension similar to the one they would have had to give to Caldwell-Pope. They also probably blew 11th pick passing on Mitchell and clearly misread market by splurging early on Galloway, giving them pint sized guard rotation. Expensive, unimpressive roster, that lacks upside.

Timberwolves started with a bang getting Butler. Teague over Hill is defensible, but latter was better fit with 3 ball dominant types already. Gibson made little sense and Crawford made even less. They should make playoffs, but are being overrated because amount of big names . . . and Wiggins isn't great.

Good analysis. Detroit's roster... I don't know how they spent so much on those players.

Minnesota will be a popular pick but I think they'll disappoint.

[YGWHI]

Pistons essentially turned Caldwell-Pope, Morris and 2nd into Bradley and in a year's time, they'll have to give him an extension similar to the one they would have had to give to Caldwell-Pope. They also probably blew 11th pick passing on Mitchell and clearly misread market by splurging early on Galloway, giving them pint sized guard rotation. Expensive, unimpressive roster, that lacks upside.

Spurs would have lost much if they traded Danny Green+Kyle or Green+a pick for Bradley? He's an upgrade and I would have taken the risk. After all people here say that OKC having PG for just one year was a good move.

There weren't rumors about Spurs trying to lure Boston/Bradley but if other rumors were true they wanted to trade Green and move LMA for picks.

It seems like LMA lost his value and Danny, well, he's on a good contract but getting old. And the Spurs don't have many young assets to stay on trade negotiations which make us to think about the advantage of...having a core on the same timeline


Timberwolves started with a bang getting Butler. Teague over Hill is defensible, but latter was better fit with 3 ball dominant types already. Gibson made little sense and Crawford made even less. They should make playoffs, but are being overrated because amount of big names . . . and Wiggins isn't great.
I know they look like an awkward fit but for a team who didn't make playoffs since 2004 I wouldn't say 'overrated' if they get 7-8 seed this new season.

[Mr. Body]

Dedmon would have been better fit for Celtics than Baynes. Looks like Hawks, Nets or Suns (if Len is renounced) for him, but if less than MLE, would imagine his representative(s) get fired.

The heavy likelihood is that Baynes has a much better feel for the game of basketball than Dedmon.

[Hoops Czar]

The heavy likelihood is that Baynes has a much better feel for the game of basketball than Dedmon.

And he's cheaper.

[YGWHI]

San Antonio is an elephant graveyard, a place where old players go to retire...Danny Green will stay in SA until his 40's, Manu will play his 50th season, and Pau Gasol will sign a 2-3 year deal this offseason.

[Down Under]

Would anyone give up SA's 2018 2nd round pick + Mills for Jeremy Lin?
Yes. Not quite the shooter, but gives us guard penetration (big need) & coming off the bench, defense wouldn't matter so much.

[TD 21]

Spurs would have lost much if they traded Danny Green+Kyle or Green+a pick for Bradley? He's an upgrade and I would have taken the risk. After all people here say that OKC having PG for just one year was a good move.

There weren't rumors about Spurs trying to lure Boston/Bradley but if other rumors were true they wanted to trade Green and move LMA for picks.

It seems like LMA lost his value and Danny, well, he's on a good contract but getting old. And the Spurs don't have many young assets to stay on trade negotiations which make us to think about the advantage of...having a core on the same timeline


I know they look like an awkward fit but for a team who didn't make playoffs since 2004 I wouldn't say 'overrated' if they get 7-8 seed this new season.

They'd have lost switch ability. Re-signing him likely wouldn't have been an issue, but he wouldn't have moved the needle. George was and is different. Star player and market that can't attract one in free agency. If he walks away from extra year/money and superstar, they at least clinched superstar's extending and dumped bad contract in the process.

Think Spurs were gauging Aldridge/Green market value more so than shopping them (especially latter). Wondering if Aldridge situation was and is as bad as reported. Don't doubt he's disgruntled and would prefer move, but don't know if he's as determined as they made it sound.

7-8 seed is realistic, but expect to see a lot of 4-5 seed predictions in fall.



The heavy likelihood is that Baynes has a much better feel for the game of basketball than Dedmon.

He doesn't, that's just stereotypical bullshit.

Neither is a high IQ type, but Dedmon is a superior rebounder/rim protector, which are their two greatest needs.

[Mr. Body]

He doesn't, that's just stereotypical bullshit.

Neither is a high IQ type, but Dedmon is a superior rebounder/rim protector, which are their two greatest needs.

Stereotypical in what way? Basketball is about positioning and knowing how to play team defense and run sets. Dedmon fell out of favor because he didn't know how to do those things. I think he's a superior basketball player than Baynes potentially, but clearly the Celtics found more value in Baynes.

[TD 21]

Stereotypical in what way? Basketball is about positioning and knowing how to play team defense and run sets. Dedmon fell out of favor because he didn't know how to do those things. I think he's a superior basketball player than Baynes potentially, but clearly the Celtics found more value in Baynes.

In the one is a foreign white player and the other is an "African-American" player way.

Dedmon fell out of favor because Pop was always going to lean on veterans in playoffs, it's virtually impossible to play 4 traditional bigs in them in '17 and they were in dire need of offense.

Word is Celtics had interest in Dedmon, but representative(s) likely priced him out of their range.

[YGWHI]

They'd have lost switch ability. Re-signing him likely wouldn't have been an issue, but he wouldn't have moved the needle.
Well, he answers the question about where the Spurs would get a younger -others could say better- version of Danny Green to contain and compete against elite West guards.
Again, he's an upgrade, he's also on the same Kawhi's timeline.
But no one of Boston, Bradley, Spurs, Pistons thought like me about this trade so f*ck'em all

[Mr. Body]

In the one is a foreign white player and the other is an "African-American" player way.


Or sometimes a guy is just not a natural basketball player. Not a surprise. He started playing late.

[DPG21920]

I truly wonder what the hold up is if SA is operating over the cap with regards to Pau?

[BatManu20]

Señor Sauces is right tbh.


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[BatManu20]

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[Emperor]

We already have El Rey Feo.

[ducks]

I truly wonder what the hold up is if SA is operating over the cap with regards to Pau?

Simmons ?

[DPG21920]

Simmons ?

Shouldn't matter. They both have cap holds and if SA is not using cap space, then it should not matter. Pau you would think roster wise would be completely independent of Simmons.

[BatManu20]

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[MannyIsGod]

Shouldn't matter. They both have cap holds and if SA is not using cap space, then it should not matter. Pau you would think roster wise would be completely independent of Simmons.

I think it's obvious they're still trying to make moves. I have absolutely no idea what those moves are, but you'll know when they are done when they sign Patty.

[Atl Spur]

I think it's obvious they're still trying to make moves. I have absolutely no idea what those moves are, but you'll know when they are done when they sign Patty.

This

[cd98]

I don't think there is a combo of superstars that can beat GSW in 7 that doesn't include Kawhi.

[DPG21920]

I think it's obvious they're still trying to make moves. I have absolutely no idea what those moves are, but you'll know when they are done when they sign Patty.

Well, I know that, I'm just not sure why the hold up. With Gay being signed using the non-taxpayer MLE and them operating over the cap, all they have left are minimium level contracts and one other small-exception they can use. They are fixed costs.

So signing Mills/Pau/Simmons now doesn't impact anything since they dont need their cap smaller cap holds (like Mills/Simmons) for cap space purposes. Regardless of what Mills/Simmons are signed to, the exception/min contracts SA has left after using the NTMLE are fixed.

I'm assuming the hold up with Pau is the hard cap that is now in place because they used the NTMLE to sign Gay.

Mills number appears to be fixed though so they should sign him now theoretically. Simmons is not a fixed cost so I can see them waiting there & same with Pau. Depending on if they use that other exception to add to the team could take away from what they pay Pau this year, but really not sure.

[Mr. Body]

LeBron is never coming to San Antonio.

[mo7888]

Well, I know that, I'm just not sure why the hold up. With Gay being signed using the non-taxpayer MLE and them operating over the cap, all they have left are minimium level contracts and one other small-exception they can use. They are fixed costs.

So signing Mills/Pau/Simmons now doesn't impact anything since they dont need their cap smaller cap holds (like Mills/Simmons) for cap space purposes. Regardless of what Mills/Simmons are signed to, the exception/min contracts SA has left after using the NTMLE are fixed.

The only thing that makes sense is a trade moving more salary than we take back thereby giving us greater cap space to use on someone before we resign out guys....

[DPG21920]

The only thing that makes sense is a trade moving more salary than we take back thereby giving us greater cap space to use on someone before we resign out guys....

There is no cap space. Gay already signed his deal and it was the Non-Tax MLE. So that means, they cannot use cap space this year. A trade could still be possible and depending on whether or not SA is taking on salary it could be the hard cap is the reason Pau is not signed.

But Mills makes even less sense to me in this context as to why he's not formally signed.

[ace3g]

They could also wait till they evaluate: Milutinov & Dangubic.

[ducks]

Could you imagine gs facing ok,Houston and then spurs in playoffs

[DPG21920]

They could also wait till they evaluate: Milutinov & Dangubic.

Sure, but no matter what SA can only offer the min contracts or limited exception they have. Shouldn't matter unless there is no actual agreement that Pau will be back which seems HIGHLY unlikely.

[mo7888]

There is no cap space. Gay already signed his deal and it was the Non-Tax MLE. So that means, they cannot use cap space this year. A trade could still be possible and depending on whether or not SA is taking on salary it could be the hard cap is the reason Pau is not signed.

But Mills makes even less sense to me in this context as to why he's not formally signed.

If we trade Tony somewhere and attach a pick but take back no salary, doesn't a move like that open up around 15M in space to use elsewhere?

[ace3g]

^ I agree, there is either a salary cap order to signing certain players, future moves still in the works, or a combination of both.

[DPG21920]

If we trade Tony somewhere and attach a pick but take back no salary, doesn't a move like that open up around 15M in space to use elsewhere?

It could, but not really. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm 99% certain it was reported that Gay already signed his deal and it was the NTMLE used to sign him.

I don't think you can retroactively use cap space to sign Gay, but maybe I'm wrong.

[mo7888]

It could, but not really. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm 99% certain it was reported that Gay already signed his deal and it was the NTMLE used to sign him.

I don't think you can retroactively use cap space to sign Gay, but maybe I'm wrong.

I'm not sure either but, it's the only thing that makes sense to me. If it didn't work like that then there no plausible reason for them to delay sign g the guys they are bringing back.

[Ron Swanson]

LeBron is never coming to San Antonio.

That won't stop us from having a 400 page thread about it next summer.

[Chinook]

It could, but not really. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm 99% certain it was reported that Gay already signed his deal and it was the NTMLE used to sign him.

I don't think you can retroactively use cap space to sign Gay, but maybe I'm wrong.

Pretty sure they can't. But they might not have filed the contract with the league yet.

[MannyIsGod]

I read some stuff about a hard cap (assumption being the NTMLE) on twitter but it could very well be wrong.

[MannyIsGod]

Does Pau's opting out leave a cap hold?

[MannyIsGod]

So, the Spurs aren't over the cap yet unless you count cap holds, so how would they be able to use the MLE unless there's someway to transition from the MLE to capspace instead? There has to be some kind of provision built in that if they don't end up over the cap from resigning their own free agents then they'd have to leave enough cap room to fit that Gay contract, right?

[DPG21920]

Does Pau's opting out leave a cap hold?

A massive one.

[DPG21920]

So, the Spurs aren't over the cap yet unless you count cap holds, so how would they be able to use the MLE unless there's someway to transition from the MLE to capspace instead? There has to be some kind of provision built in that if they don't end up over the cap from resigning their own free agents then they'd have to leave enough cap room to fit that Gay contract, right?

it's the opposite. You only have cap space if you actually renounce the cap holds. the cap holds are the guaranteed thing here.

[MannyIsGod]

Sure, but what happens then if the Spurs reounce all their free agents today and then sign everyone to min contracts and end up under the cap?

[DPG21920]

Sure, but what happens then if the Spurs reounce all their free agents today and then sign everyone to min contracts and end up under the cap?

They can't if we are to believe that Gay signed using the MLE. SA could renounce Pau and is cap hold is gone, but that alone would not put them far enough under the cap to not have the MLE still in play IIRC

[DPG21920]

But in theory, since it's not official, if SA renounced let's say Pau/Manu/Simmons/Mills cap holds, I'm assuming Gay's contract would then become in violation and it would be converted to cap space. But not sure.

[MannyIsGod]

If they renounced everyone I think they only have about 85 million in salary and are under the cap by way more than the MLE though.

[Chillen]

LeBron is never coming to San Antonio.

If LeBron wants to play for Pop it will. Of course he would have to handle the situation good like tell the Cavs fans I will be back and end my career as a Cavalier. San Antonio Spurs is the only team LeBron could leave Cleveland for and he won't get ripped by the fans and the media. So it's your opinion, ain't impossible but I wouldn't bet the farm on it either.

[MannyIsGod]

But in theory, since it's not official, if SA renounced let's say Pau/Manu/Simmons/Mills cap holds, I'm assuming Gay's contract would then become in violation and it would be converted to cap space. But not sure.

Yeah me either but it does seem as though there has to be a way to convert MLE deals to capspace deals in this type of situation.

[Dancelot]

Could you imagine gs facing ok,Houston and then spurs in playoffs
Yeah, they would definitely have their work cut out for them having to injure all those players.

[Chillen]

Yeah, they would definitely have their work cut out for them having to injure all those players.

Some team needs to have a brawl vs those Warriors, pretty sure Curry would go hide behind Durant. Warriors are so soft, Green with his big tough guy act. ZaZa deserves to get tripped out there for what he did to Kawhi. Of course violence doesn't solve anything and it's not a good way to resolve problems it's just that todays NBA is softer than jello. I wish some team vs Warriors would not take their crap with Green and ZaZa.

[SAGirl]

Well, I know that, I'm just not sure why the hold up. With Gay being signed using the non-taxpayer MLE and them operating over the cap, all they have left are minimium level contracts and one other small-exception they can use. They are fixed costs.

So signing Mills/Pau/Simmons now doesn't impact anything since they dont need their cap smaller cap holds (like Mills/Simmons) for cap space purposes. Regardless of what Mills/Simmons are signed to, the exception/min contracts SA has left after using the NTMLE are fixed.

I'm assuming the hold up with Pau is the hard cap that is now in place because they used the NTMLE to sign Gay.

Mills number appears to be fixed though so they should sign him now theoretically. Simmons is not a fixed cost so I can see them waiting there & same with Pau. Depending on if they use that other exception to add to the team could take away from what they pay Pau this year, but really not sure.
I don't understand any of that honestly.
Can you put in simple, non CBA terms for me... like:
are you suspecting a trade is happening...
I tend to attribute the hold up to JSimms...

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I don't understand any of that honestly.
Can you put in simple, non CBA terms for me... like:
are you suspecting a trade is happening...
I tend to attribute the hold up to JSimms...

The hold up is most likely due to Simmons. They'll try to fit in his new salary + Pau's + Gay's and stay below the tax. They may even want to pay Manu if there's some room left.

Depending on the other contracts it's also possible that Mills's contract could be a bit less than originally announced, just like Danny Green eventually got a bit less in 2015.

[Mal]

But in theory, since it's not official, if SA renounced let's say Pau/Manu/Simmons/Mills cap holds, I'm assuming Gay's contract would then become in violation and it would be converted to cap space. But not sure.

PATFO will now how to sign everybody that was announced and fit it under the tax. First go Gasol, Simmons deals. Than Mills contract to go over the cap. Gay maybe signed last, because it's MLE.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Shouldn't matter. They both have cap holds and if SA is not using cap space, then it should not matter. Pau you would think roster wise would be completely independent of Simmons.

I think since they signed Gay using the non-taxpayer exemption that it does matter. They have to stay under the apron to sign Simmons, Pau, Manu, etc.

[szkorhetz]

PATFO will now how to sign everybody that was announced and fit it under the tax. First go Gasol, Simmons deals. Than Mills contract to go over the cap. Gay maybe signed last, because it's MLE.
I would still prefer Hanga over Simmons, considering their price, TBH.

[BillMc]

I would still prefer Hanga over Simmons, considering their price, TBH.

This.

No more Hanga rumors?

[Chinook]

This.

No more Hanga rumors?

He agreed to stay in Spain.

[BillMc]

He agreed to stay in Spain.

Damn. Now I'm depressed.

Well, thanks for the update. :toast

[Emperor]

Kinda weird how quiet things are. Perhaps it's just the calm before the storm. I'm ready.

[Snaq O'Meal]

The Spurs will surely acquire a big man or two. Presently, the team is awfully thin in the front court.

[szkorhetz]

He agreed to stay in Spain.
He agreed to sign with Barcelona, what was later matched by Baskonia. He still have an NBA out in his contract.

[jermaine]

If the Spurs chooses Simmons over Forbes, Imma be pissed! I'd love to see Forbes get meaningful mins... it's easy to see what he's gonna be if given the green light. �� that man!

[ceperez]

I would still prefer Hanga over Simmons, considering their price, TBH.

Well, if Spurs can't get Simmons, then they sure can offer Hanga over the $3m per he's being offered overseas. There are two teams in Europe fighting for his services.

Hanga isn't as athletic as Simmons, but he's got Danny Green length.

[Play Boban]

:lol Hanga :lol

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Well, if Spurs can't get Simmons, then they sure can offer Hanga over the $3m per he's being offered overseas. There are two teams in Europe fighting for his services.

Hanga isn't as athletic as Simmons, but he's got Danny Green length.

They can't - they are able to offer Simmons a bigger contract because he's an arenas FA and they've kept his tiny cap hold. In order to offer Hanga the same money they'd need to create cap space, which is impossible now that they've signed Gay for the MLE. They can only give Hanga the BAE ($3.3 mil) or min.

[ceperez]

They can't - they are able to offer Simmons a bigger contract because he's an arenas FA and they've kept his tiny cap hold. In order to offer Hanga the same money they'd need to create cap space, which is impossible now that they've signed Gay for the MLE. They can only give Hanga the BAE ($3.3 mil) or min.

Nice to know they can only offer 300K more for Hanga.

[RiverwalkParade]

If a S&T with Simmons is possible, a Green, LMA & Simmons package for Fournier and Biyombo would be nice. Orlando gets a fresh start next offseason with Danny andLMA off the books (assuming they opt out) plus a nice deal on Simmons for a couple of years.

Is a Simmons S&T a possibility? Perhaps this is the hold up on our moves.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If a S&T with Simmons is possible, a Green, LMA & Simmons package for Fournier and Biyombo would be nice. Orlando gets a fresh start next offseason with Danny andLMA off the books (assuming they opt out) plus a nice deal on Simmons for a couple of years.

Is a Simmons S&T a possibility? Perhaps this is the hold up on our moves.

Might as well trade Kawhi for picks if they're going to tank.

[jermaine]

If a S&T with Simmons is possible, a Green, LMA & Simmons package for Fournier and Biyombo would be nice. Orlando gets a fresh start next offseason with Danny andLMA off the books (assuming they opt out) plus a nice deal on Simmons for a couple of years.

Is a Simmons S&T a possibility? Perhaps this is the hold up on our moves.

I know I say dumbass shit, but booooy you take the cake!! Lmmfao

[tmtcsc]

If a S&T with Simmons is possible, a Green, LMA & Simmons package for Fournier and Biyombo would be nice. Orlando gets a fresh start next offseason with Danny andLMA off the books (assuming they opt out) plus a nice deal on Simmons for a couple of years.

Is a Simmons S&T a possibility? Perhaps this is the hold up on our moves.

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[Dex]

If a S&T with Simmons is possible, a Green, LMA & Simmons package for Fournier and Biyombo would be nice. Orlando gets a fresh start next offseason with Danny andLMA off the books (assuming they opt out) plus a nice deal on Simmons for a couple of years.

Is a Simmons S&T a possibility? Perhaps this is the hold up on our moves.

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[rastaspur]

If a S&T with Simmons is possible, a Green, LMA & Simmons package for Fournier and Biyombo would be nice. Orlando gets a fresh start next offseason with Danny andLMA off the books (assuming they opt out) plus a nice deal on Simmons for a couple of years.

Is a Simmons S&T a possibility? Perhaps this is the hold up on our moves.

No thanks.

[RiverwalkParade]

Okay okay, not that deal specifically, but is it possible that we are searching for a S&T package including Danny and Simmons? One intriguing player that would work in that scenario would be Batum.

[lmbebo]

Okay okay, not that deal specifically, but is it possible that we are searching for a S&T package including Danny and Simmons? One intriguing player that would work in that scenario would be Batum.

Batum is way over paid ...

[buttsR4rebounding]

Okay okay, not that deal specifically, but is it possible that we are searching for a S&T package including Danny and Simmons? One intriguing player that would work in that scenario would be Batum.

Why would you want to package Green in a deal with Simmons? That means that you have 2 rotation wings that you have to replace. If you want to S&T Simmons that's fine, but don't include another wing. In fact, it used to be on an S&Tthe team doing the signing and trading couldn't package anyone else with the player being traded. That may have changed in the new CBA though.

[kaji157]

I think there are a few things that may point at a Simmons sign n trade.
The mle exception was used in gay instead of him, which for example would have unable Simmons to be patty of a sign and trade as you cannot use exceptions for it.

Against this theory us that the BYC will probably apply to Simmons.
I couldn't find restrictions on packaging a sign n trade player in a bigger deal.

[cjw]

PATFO will now how to sign everybody that was announced and fit it under the tax. First go Gasol, Simmons deals. Than Mills contract to go over the cap. Gay maybe signed last, because it's MLE.

May be waiting to see how the Mills deal will be structured in annual raises. If they need to, could start at a lower number and offer him 8% raises. This could keep them below the tax.

If they somehow have room, maybe they go with a higher starting value in year 1 and have declines.

Could look like any of these:
- Low year 1: $11.16 / $12.05 / $12.95 / $13.84 (8% raises)
- Slightly higher: $11.63 / $12.21 / $12.79 / $13.37 (5% raises)
- Flat: $12.50 annually
- Declining: Flip either of the first two, with year 1 salary from $13.37 to $13.84. More flexibility in future

Not sure if you can structure this way, but wonder if you can go 8% decrease then increase again. This could let the contract value be lowest in year 2 (next summer): $12.50 / $11.57 / $12.50 / $13.43

[cjw]

Might as well trade Kawhi for picks if they're going to tank.

Not to mention why not pay $17 million each to (1) a stiff who will clog the paint (just look at the shooting stats) and who posted a negative VORP last year and (2) a decent scorer who is a not good defensively?

If you're going to absorb Biyambo, why not just bring back Dedmon who is better? Oh wait, the Magic could have done that themselves but they gave Biyambo an albatross!

Aldridge and Green are on very team-friendly contract prices, though about to be free agents.

Orlando also has the cap space to sign Simmons outright if they really want him.

[Mal]

Orlando also has the cap space to sign Simmons outright if they really want him.

They have Fournier, Ross, Hezonja, Isaac, Gordon at 2/3. And they can tank, because they owe their picks. Nets and Sacramento have no reason to be as bad as you can. Atlanta proabaly is gonna tank hard.

[look_at_g_shred]

Any way we could pry Brown from BOS?

[TimDunkem]

^No.

[bklynspursfan]

Free agent center Joffrey Lauvergne has agreed to a deal with the San Antonio Spurs, league sources tell The Vertical.

[NickiRasgo]

What's the news on Dedmon and Lee? I wanted them to return...

[Robz4000]

Free agent center Joffrey Lauvergne has agreed to a deal with the San Antonio Spurs, league sources tell The Vertical.
apalisoc_9

[raybies]

Great. Suit him up in Summer League. Lol. Always liked his skill set

[Chinook]

I liked Joff in international play.

[NickiRasgo]

Okay so Lee is gone.

[bklynspursfan]

Okay so Lee is gone.

Or Dedmon?

[objective]

Interesting to see if they overpaid again.

I doubt he'll be any better than Lee, probably worse.

[NickiRasgo]

Or Dedmon?

Didn't Lauvergne naturally plays 4 rather than 5?

[Chinook]

I think Lauvergne is good enough to be in the rotation. Provided Pau comes back, it may be that Pop is willing to play two bigs after all.

[jyra]

I would have liked a more defensive minded big. None of the bigs can really defend the P&R well right now.

[Jdspur20]

Seems like this means Dedmon is gone.

[bklynspursfan]

Didn't Lauvergne naturally plays 4 rather than 5?

Yea I think so, but it just seemed like Dedmon was less likely to return than Lee. But who knows at this point

[Jdspur20]

Overall not a bad pick up for PF/C

[DPG21920]

I dont understand this signing at all. He's not a good offensive player and not a good defensive player. He's literally just a guy.

[coachmac87]

I dont understand this signing at all. He's not a good offensive player and not a good defensive player. He's literally just a guy.

Huh?

[DPG21920]

Huh?

Joffrey sucks.

[NickiRasgo]

I dont understand this signing at all. He's not a good offensive player and not a good defensive player. He's literally just a guy.

He shows some flashes when he was in Nuggets while Jurkic is out but after that stint and when he was traded to OKC/Bulls, just meh. Same here. Not sure how he plays now.

[coachmac87]

Joffrey sucks.

Yeah probably...

But he's got a unique skill set for a big...

[szkorhetz]

He will be good. Another floor spacing, young big. Bertans will be traded?

[NickiRasgo]

He will be good. Another floor spacing, young big. Bertans will be traded?

Or Spurs still not confident with him at the moment.

Should've drafted Jordan Bell instead. :( But then there's this "Rookie Treatment" by Pop.

[r0drig0lac]

Any way we could pry Brown from BOS?

no

[DPG21920]

Yeah probably...

But he's got a unique skill set for a big...

What skillset is that? 29% 3PT shooting? Just because people say you are a shooter, does not speak it into actual existence. He's been poor on offense and really bad on defense.

[DPG21920]

He will be good. Another floor spacing, young big. Bertans will be traded?

Why do people call him a floor spacer when he shoots 29% from 3PT land?

[szkorhetz]

What skillset is that? 29% 3PT shooting? Just because people say you are a shooter, does not speak it into actual existence. He's been poor on offense and really bad on defense.
Yeah in the so well functioning Bulls and OKC offenses....

Cause we watch international basketball too.

[apalisoc_9]

I dont understand this signing at all. He's not a good offensive player and not a good defensive player. He's literally just a guy.

Obvious you don't watch him.

He has a skillset that the sprs badly need with Lee and Dedman gone. He's a legit diveman/rollman.

[DPG21920]

Yeah in the so well functioning Bulls and OKC offenses....

Cause we watch international basketball too.

I've seen him play internationally & with DEN/OKC/CHI.

[Snaq O'Meal]

What skillset is that? 29% 3PT shooting? Just because people say you are a shooter, does not speak it into actual existence. He's been poor on offense and really bad on defense.

Pop likes soft big men. Maybe he falls into that category.

[DPG21920]

Obvious you don't watch him.

He has a skillset that the sprs badly need with Lee and Dedman gone. He's a legit diveman/rollman.

I have watched him plenty. People are calling him a stretch big. They are woefully wrong.

[apalisoc_9]

I have watched him plenty. People are calling him a stretch big. They are woefully wrong.

He's not a stretch big. He's terrible as a shooter outside the occasional corner three. Teams utilized him as a stretch which is terrible but expected since most teams nowadys are obssessed with spread fours.

If he's going to play stricly as a a big/ roll guy..He's got legit value.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The Pistons are already getting ready to offer him a four year, $40 million deal next summer.

[ceperez]

Well Spurs need a big that's cheap, I guess this fills that gap. Oh well!

[DPG21920]

Spurs have lost a ton of defense this off season with Lee/Dedmon gone. Big concern at this point. Especially since all their guards outside of Danny as of right now (TP, Mills, Forbes, Murray) are all really bad defenders too.

[coachmac87]

What skillset is that? 29% 3PT shooting? Just because people say you are a shooter, does not speak it into actual existence. He's been poor on offense and really bad on defense.

He can put the ball on the floor, pass and hit the occasional 3 or 18' jumper. You make it seem like this is another Joel Anthony signing...

[look_at_g_shred]

Would much rather have CJ from the Summer League team.

[Gordy58]

Joff most likely replaces Lee. I like him more than Lee for this offense. He can shoot, rebound, pass, drive the ball well for his size. Defense can't be worse than Lee's. For the minimum I think it's a low risk high reward signing.

[TheDoctor]

So PJ Tucker was a lie? :depressed

[szkorhetz]

Spurs have lost a ton of defense this off season with Lee/Dedmon gone. Big concern at this point. Especially since all their guards outside of Danny as of right now (TP, Mills, Forbes, Murray) are all really bad defenders too.
Noone expected this level of D from Lee, TBH. JL will likely improve too.

[TimDunkem]

Noone expected this level of D from Lee, TBH. JL will likely improve too.
True. Everyone shit on the Lee signing at first because of his defense, and the hate even continued on into the season. Now, his defense was apparently a major factor for the Spurs. :lol Let's wait and see how JL performs. He might surprise us just like Lee.

[tbdog]

Lee did grest for us. Offensive rebounds is vital as well. Plus he has some of the best hands and passing for a big. This is a downgrade. Regardless of age gap.

[Nathan89]

Solid signing. 2 yrs ago he avg 1.1ppp as a roll man for 2.1ppg. This year he go .96ppp. Yes, he will be used going toward the rim and finding spaces around the rim as well. He had very solid % mid range 2 years ago. He's capable dribbler which the team needs every little bit it can get. Just a nice offensive piece.

[rastaspur]

Lee did grest for us. Offensive rebounds is vital as well. Plus he has some of the best hands and passing for a big. This is a downgrade. Regardless of age gap.

Joffrey is a decent offensive rebounder. Crashes the glass hard. Not as good a david lee but not a huge drop off. He isn't bonner or diaw.

[ceperez]

Well, if we are comparing him with Lee, then perhaps it isn't that bad.

[Mr. Body]

Jeff Ayres.

[Nathan89]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpnHc3Jk1Hk

Runs the court in transition very well, find gaps in the defense to make cuts, can dribble, etc. All can be seen at the beginning of this video. Might also have that floater in the paint that Timmy was using so well his last year.

[coachmac87]

Jeff Ayres.

Not at all