Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[SpursBills]

Wow, so what do you guys think? Who do you believe at this stage? ESPN's info doesn't seem accurate.

What percentage chance do you think this gets worked out and he stays? Less than 10%?

If it's true that he'll tell teams he won't re-sign with them and it's Lakers only, that fucks the Spurs over immensely. Wouldn't that mean the Lakers can lower their offer and not even give us their best offer.

Best teams to trade with at this point are Cleveland and Memphis

Cleveland - 1 year rental still incentivizes lebron to stay an extra year, can ask for #8 and Kevin love maybe, or #8 + tristan thompson + future first
Memphis - wants to get off Chandler's contract, Kawhi also fits with their roster for a year and is a top 3 player in his prime; can probably ask for the #4 overall as compensation

Both these cities also double as being super shitty places to live for a year

[Ron Swanson]

I miss Tim Duncan.

No shit. The GOAT.

[RD2191]

I'm sorry but Kawhi using getting his feelings hurt by TP as an excuse to leave the team is straight up laughable at best.

Still funny though :lol

[RD2191]

Kawhi will be a Spur for life, you heard it here first. :lol

[Morgo]

Not bad!

one trade that could save some value could be the following.
Kawhi to cleveland
Love to Clippers
Gallo to spurs along with n 8, 12, 13.
That would be highly beneficial for all teams involved.
Cleveland get a one year rental of Kawhi and with him finally a real chance to compete against the warriors next year...and all that in change for a piece that don't work too well with LBJ and a draft pick..and the chance that, after this year is not excluded, Kawhi changes his mind when he could realize he's back to a title winning environment.
Clippers get rid of a player that's been paid a lot for being all year in injury list and that could have the same problems for the next two years still taking off of them a lot of cap space; istead of him they take a L.A. guy who should fit very well in their team on offense thanks to his outside shooting and on defense thanks to daj protecion of the ring. And all that at the price of 12 and 13.
Spurs do that just in the wiew of a full rebuild...they lose a top three guy for a guy that will take for two years the same money...but has no actual value 'cause of his repeated injuries (that could last for all the next two years)...but at least they get a chance to retool the roster with decent draft choices 8, 12 and 13

[BillMc]

No shit. The GOAT.

Amen. :bobo

[marinoman]

I read earlier today Boston offered 27 and kyrie, fuck it just take that, or even trade her to cavs, just not la

[ducks]

I miss Tim Duncan.

David Robinson flew in to rescue the spurs

[BillMc]

David Robinson flew in to rescue the spurs

Truth

[LakerHater]

So i gues we'll get a statment tomorow

[venitian navigator]

Not bad!

'cause 12 and 13 are not a good value for kiwhi...8, 12 and 13 could be something worth considering, also if we have to suffer two years of an often injured player like Gallo.

[ducks]

Draft is Thursday

[BatManu20]

one trade that could save some value could be the following.
Kawhi to cleveland
Love to Clippers
Gallo to spurs along with n 8, 12, 13.
That would be highly beneficial for all teams involved.
Cleveland get a one year rental of Kawhi and with him finally a real chance to compete against the warriors next year...and all that in change for a piece that don't work too well with LBJ and a draft pick..and the chance that, after this year is not excluded, Kawhi changes his mind when he could realize he's back to a title winning environment.
Clippers get rid of a player that's been paid a lot for being all year in injury list and that could have the same problems for the next two years still taking off of them a lot of cap space; istead of him they take a L.A. guy who should fit very well in their team on offense thanks to his outside shooting and on defense thanks to daj protecion of the ring. And all that at the price of 12 and 13.
Spurs do that just in the wiew of a full rebuild...they lose a top three guy for a guy that will take for two years the same money...but has no actual value 'cause of his repeated injuries (that could last for all the next two years)...but at least they get a chance to retool the roster with decent draft choices 8, 12 and 13



Why would the Clippers trade their only real assets for 30 year-old Kevin Love and the $50M left on his bloated contract, just to unload Gallo’s contract when they could just let it expire next summer? Zero chance imo.

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Bout damn time, so there’s gotta be serious smoke to trading him for draft picks if this is happening before draft

Nailed it.

[Slippy]

It doesn't help at all that's for sure, but there's always going to be clubs that feel they can "convince" him ala OKC and George.

Hell, trade him to the Clippers and dare him to give up another 30 mill just to change locker rooms.

If they trade him to LA at all im going to start thinking the spurs & pop have officially lost the plot. I Will join the crew that continously bag the FO for not being good enough.

[Clipper Nation]

one trade that could save some value could be the following.
Kawhi to cleveland
Love to Clippers
Gallo to spurs along with n 8, 12, 13.
That would be highly beneficial for all teams involved.
Cleveland get a one year rental of Kawhi and with him finally a real chance to compete against the warriors next year...and all that in change for a piece that don't work too well with LBJ and a draft pick..and the chance that, after this year is not excluded, Kawhi changes his mind when he could realize he's back to a title winning environment.
Clippers get rid of a player that's been paid a lot for being all year in injury list and that could have the same problems for the next two years still taking off of them a lot of cap space; istead of him they take a L.A. guy who should fit very well in their team on offense thanks to his outside shooting and on defense thanks to daj protecion of the ring. And all that at the price of 12 and 13.
Spurs do that just in the wiew of a full rebuild...they lose a top three guy for a guy that will take for two years the same money...but has no actual value 'cause of his repeated injuries (that could last for all the next two years)...but at least they get a chance to retool the roster with decent draft choices 8, 12 and 13

:lol There is zero reason for the Clippers to do that trade. None.

[HarlemHeat37]

Hypothetical: Kawhi gets traded to Cleveland for 8 and whatever..do Spurs fans cheer for the Warriors against them in the Finals?:lol

[RD2191]

Hypothetical: Kawhi gets traded to Cleveland for 8 and whatever..do Spurs fans cheer for the Warriors against them in the Finals?:lol

Buying my Cavs jersey as we speak tbh

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ESPN Sources: Kawhi Leonard was not alone in his meeting with Gregg Popovich today in San Diego.

What. A. Bitch.

[daslicer]

Hypothetical: Kawhi gets traded to Cleveland for 8 and whatever..do Spurs fans cheer for the Warriors against them in the Finals?:lol

I do the same thing that I have done for the last few years which is not root for either team and not watch the finals.

[MoSpur02]

Hope Kawhi gets injured and ruins the Lakers for the next 5-7 years. He's sorry.

[djohn2oo8]

Hope Kawhi gets injured and ruins the Lakers for the next 5-7 years. He's sorry.
The guy has yet to play a full season.

[tbdog]

one trade that could save some value could be the following.
Kawhi to cleveland
Love to Clippers
Gallo to spurs along with n 8, 12, 13.

I love Gallo. Probably play more games that Leonard as well. Gallo is Spurs system. Yes please. Just don't want Harris. He is a brain dead player.

[toki9]

What. A. Bitch.

Yeah, I can't even...your head coach, who's pushing 70 and just lost his wife of 30+ years, is chasing you around the country for a simple one-on-one, and you won't even do that? This is the guy who anointed you the face of franchise when no one could see that happening...it's just so...disappointing.

[venitian navigator]

Why would the Clippers trade their only real assets for 30 year-old Kevin Love and the $50M left on his bloated contract, just to unload Gallo’s contract when they could just let it expire next summer? Zero chance imo.

Gallo is under contract for next two years at 20 mills per year, not just one.
Love is an all star with the right game to play with DAJ in the front court...not a bad thing is that he is also an L.A. guy.
imho if they want to compete a little next two seasons it's better for them to play someone who actually plays, and plays at an all star level...expecially in the right team and environment...and Clippers are perfect for Love to succeed.

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Tbh :lol

Nonsense. Parker was merely voicing what the entire team felt about his bitch ass.

[marinoman]

Now what, do spurs still take their time waiting for the right deal?

[HarlemHeat37]

The last time I recall a star player blatantly quitting on his team(for an extended period of time) was Vince Carter in 2004 after the Raptors didn't hire his GM choice and he feuded with the front office..even in that case, Carter still played the games, despite not giving 100%:lol

Hopefully it works out better for the Spurs than it did for Toronto in one of the worst trades in NBA history..

[RD2191]

Nonsense. Parker was merely voicing what the entire team felt about his bitch ass.

Sorry bruh, washed up Parker ruined the future of the franchise. This is the guy who slept with a teammates wife after all. Real scumbag.

[Clipper Nation]

Gallo is under contract for next two years at 20 mills per year, not just one.
Love is an all star with the right game to play with DAJ in the front court...not a bad thing is that he is also an L.A. guy.
imho if they want to compete a little next two seasons it's better for them to play someone who actually plays, and plays at an all star level...expecially in the right team and environment...and Clippers are perfect for Love to succeed.
DJ probably won't be a Clipper next season - chances are, he's either opting out or getting traded. And Kevin Scrub is trash anyway. We would be a treadmill team at best with his empty stats.

[TDomination]

What a mess this has become. Hopefully tomorrow we'll get clearer answers.

Also, if he does want LA Lakers only, then I'm fine with keeping him this upcoming year, playing him 40+ minutes a game and trying to wear him out as much as possible before he leaves.

If one of our players accidentally hurts him during practice, oops.

[ducks]

Sorry bruh, washed up Parker ruined the future of the franchise. This is the guy who slept with a teammates wife after all. Real scumbag.

Prove he slept with players wife
Spurs would have shipped his dick

[marinoman]

Fuck kawhi, fuck uncle Dennis, fuck the lakers and fuck the gambling podcast

[MoSpur02]

This guy thinks he gets to dictate where he goes because Parker hurt his feelings. He got paid $19-20 million for rehabbing in NY.

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If they trade him to LA at all im going to start thinking the spurs & pop have officially lost the plot. I Will join the crew that continously bag the FO for not being good enough.

+1

I'll never believe PATFO would do that though until it actually happened. Simply have too much respect for their basketball acumen. They know they'd get fucking roasted, not only here in Spurland but the LEAGUE would hate the Spurs for doing that.

[kjhip1]

It wouldnt be so bad if would he have played this year and made his intentions known. But to fleece the Spurs for 19 Mil and only play 9 games due to "injury" and then tell the Spurs (and the rest of the league for that matter) he only wants to go to the Lakers makes him a baby back bitch.

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Yeah, I can't even...your head coach, who's pushing 70 and just lost his wife of 30+ years, is chasing you around the country for a simple one-on-one, and you won't even do that? This is the guy who anointed you the face of franchise when no one could see that happening...it's just so...disappointing.

This above all else is reason to vilify that fool. The sheer lack of respect. If true, the notion that Pop had to fly to both coasts over a few day timespan just to get a meeting with him, and he wouldn't even do it one-on-one after he chased you around?

Fuck that guy all the way.

[BillMc]

?'m at the point now where I don't care what the Spurs get back, just want to cockblock the Lakers.

[Play Boban]

I hate this pos.

I’ve been calling out this cancer all season, but he has blown away even my worst expectations with his scumbaggery. It’s unbeleivable.

[toki9]

This above all else is reason to vilify that fool. The sheer lack of respect. If true, the notion that Pop had to fly to both coasts over a few day timespan just to get a meeting with him, and he wouldn't even do it one-on-one after he chased you around?

Fuck that guy all the way.

Just how callous can he be? Or so self-centered to believe that Pop doesn't even deserve literally mere minutes of his time?

[kjhip1]

?'m at the point now where I don't care what the Spurs get back, just want to cockblock the Lakers.

:lol aint that the truth

[Play Boban]

What a mess this has become. Hopefully tomorrow we'll get clearer answers.

Also, if he does want LA Lakers only, then I'm fine with keeping him this upcoming year, playing him 40+ minutes a game and trying to wear him out as much as possible before he leaves.

If one of our players accidentally hurts him during practice, oops.
That won’t work because he’ll come down with some mysterious injury prior to training camp and go to NYC to “rehab” all season.

[apalisoc_9]

What if they do a sign and trade.

Give Kawhi and his group the supermax, and trade him to whatever team the spurs like.

- He gets out of San Antonio
- Spurs gets a better trade package
- and as compensation for not going to the leakers, Kawhi gets the supermax playing for a different team.

[venitian navigator]

DJ probably won't be a Clipper next season - chances are, he's either opting out or getting traded. And Kevin Scrub is trash anyway. We would be a treadmill team at best with his empty stats.

Daj repeatedly said he wants to stay if possible in LA.
Love is an all star player...with a title and play offs experience at the finals level...something none of the Clippers have.
The only reason to refuse the trade for Clippers is if they think that someone at 12 or 13 has the potential to be an all star in next four years...if they don't, then that won't be a great sacrifice...for as they are constructed, they are a win now team, not a rebuilding team. This summer they have the chance to re-sign Bradley, and with Teodosic, Beverley, Rivers their back court is full...as is the small forward role with Harris. If Teodosic goes back to Europe, they can find a replacement with the MLE.
Their only need last season was at the role where supposedly should have played Gallo...replacing a zero (just 21 gams played) with actual negative value for next two years with an all star is imho a good deal.
Beverly - Bradley - Harris - Love - DAJ is not a bad starting five...

[Mugen]

What if they do a sign and trade.

Give Kawhi and his group the supermax, and trade him to whatever team the spurs like.

- He gets out of San Antonio
- Spurs gets a better trade package
- and as compensation for not going to the leakers, Kawhi gets the supermax playing for a different team.

Pretty sure they have to wait a year or so before he can be traded on a DPE contract.

[spurs10]

?'m at the point now where I don't care what the Spurs get back, just want to cockblock the Lakers. Yeah no way are the Spurs trading him to the LAL. He will need to wait a year for that. If he doesn't play his ass off this season then his value will drop, as well as losing $219 million. I suppose it's possible he signs an extension with the intention of asking for a trade next season. The motivation for the Spurs would be getting a better trade for him, but he's need to play for us this season.

[goliath]

What if they do a sign and trade.

Give Kawhi and his group the supermax, and trade him to whatever team the spurs like.

- He gets out of San Antonio
- Spurs gets a better trade package
- and as compensation for not going to the leakers, Kawhi gets the supermax playing for a different team.

Can’t sign and trade with the supermax. Can’t trade him for a year

[spurs10]

Can’t sign and trade with the supermax. Can’t trade him for a year This

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What if they do a sign and trade.

Give Kawhi and his group the supermax, and trade him to whatever team the spurs like.

- He gets out of San Antonio
- Spurs gets a better trade package
- and as compensation for not going to the leakers, Kawhi gets the supermax playing for a different team.

1. Can't trade him for a year after a supermax offer is tendered and agreed to

2. Fuck him. He blew his chance at a supermax last year by pulling that shot. Rewarding childish behavior only begets worse things.

[apalisoc_9]

Pretty sure they have to wait a year or so before he can be traded on a DPE contract.

That sucks.

I'd honestly just tell all teams we're willing to trade kawhi and see who is dumb enough to give packages for a one year rental


Hard to say. It doesnt sound like kawhi is even involved in all this drama.

[toki9]

You know, after all this drama, he better hope that the quad flares up whenever his new team visits San Antonio...that way he can go to NYC instead for rehab...

[Mugen]

Made Pop fly all over the country but at least he finally had the balls to agree to at least look the man in the face. Might have been a "goodbye" meeting but at least he's starting to man up a little.

[toki9]

Made Pop fly all over the country but at least he finally had the balls to agree to at least look the man in the face. Might have been a "goodbye" meeting but at least he's starting to man up a little.

But with a chaperone...

[apalisoc_9]

Man the boos are gonna come for Kawhi :lol

Maybe Kawhi read my post too much :lol

Hopefully both teams come to their senses and Kawhi signs the supermax

[rasuo214]

Everyone talking about Parker's public comments but wasn't he the one heading the player's meeting? Maybe he said something then as well.

[BatManu20]

If Kawhi really is about to me moved (which seems almost inevitable at this point), I’d be willing to be bet Kawhi’s manhood that Pop would trade him to the Clippers for a crappy package of Harris and the 12th & 13th picks in the draft before trading him to the Lakers for a better package centered around Ingram and Kuzma. Sucks but I almost guarantee it.

[DAF86]

Exactly. And since he (or his handlers) say that he's 100%, then the Spurs shouldn't do anything but expect him to show up in training camp.

(Hi, MB.)

Fuck that. Sit him for the entire season and let him and his uncle see how many teams are willing to hand out max contracts to a bitch ass stabber that has missed two straight seasons.

[kjhip1]

what way for Pop to go out if he does retire after 2020.

https://i.imgflip.com/234t8c.jpg

[rasuo214]

Also ESPN has been pushing Kawhi to LA the entire time. They even had a front page article about how it would happen.

[BatManu20]

Also ESPN has been pushing Kawhi to LA the entire time. They even had a front page article about how it would happen.

Of course they are. SportsCenter is headquartered in LA and regardless, making the Lakers one of the best teams in the league again means Big viewership $$$ for them.

[daslicer]

Spurs can always trade him to the Hornets if they don't get any offers. I know Jordan would be more than willing to take a risk with a 1 year rental of Kawhi.

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Made Pop fly all over the country but at least he finally had the balls to agree to at least look the man in the face. Might have been a "goodbye" meeting but at least he's starting to man up a little.

We've got different definitions of manning up. He's acting precisely like the little kid that is told where to be and when because his handlers are afraid Kawhi might get taken to the woodshed and reveal some inside knowledge of their gameplan. It's laughably pathetic behavior for a man that was groomed to be the player he became by one man (as its face) and one organization.

[toki9]

We've got different definitions of manning up. He's acting precisely like the little kid that is told where to be and when because his handlers are afraid Kawhi might get taken to the woodshed and reveal some inside knowledge of their gameplan. It's laughably pathetic behavior for a man that was groomed to be the player he became by one man (as its face) and one organization.

And "manning up" typically doesn't require a chaperone.

[DPG21920]

1) Kawhi handled this so badly.

2) Even If TP was a real issue, he can easily be no re-signed.

3) If SA takes on Deng I will stop being a Spurs fan

4) If the best offer is truly something like Ingram + Kuz, even though I know it won’t happen, I hope that with Kawhi saying he’s 100% SA holds him and dares him to sit out knowing its been reported he’s healthy.

If SA doesn’t trade him to the Lakers, besides him costing himself 80M minimum (going from what he could have had with the SuperMax to walking in free agency) so many things can happen if you make him wait a full year:

1) He could get hurt and really screw himself

2) Lakers might get impatient and sign 2 big free agents and not have cap space for him next year

3) Someone like Bron who does sign, even if they don’t sign 2 big free agents, might get hurt and how appealing does that look to Kawhi now?

So many things can happen if you commit to saying there is a bare minimum we will accept or we aren’t trading you.

[szkorhetz]

Why is PATFO so fucking silent?

[DPG21920]

Why is PATFO so fucking silent?

Because the draft which is really important and takes a lot of work is in two days, the have a snake for a “franchise player” they are having to chase and they are on the brink of trying to make a trade?

They are busy.

[kjhip1]

no way they cave and give him to Lakers. Lets hope they pull a rabbit out of the hat and get a deal that makes sense. Crazy that in a span of not even a week, i find myself rooting against Kawhi. So unprofessional, and really just straight up childish.

[Uriel]

San Antonio Spurs (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/sa/san-antonio-spurs) coach Gregg Popovich traveled Tuesday to Southern California and met with Kawhi Leonard (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6450/kawhi-leonard) prior to Thursday's NBA draft, league sources told ESPN.For weeks, Popovich has been working to set up a meeting with Leonard to discuss the issues that have fractured the franchise's relationship with the All-NBA forward and caused him to make public in the media his desire to be traded, league sources said.

Leonard wants a trade to Los Angeles, preferably the Lakers (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/lal/los-angeles-lakers) over the Clippers (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/la-clippers), league sources said. He has privately maintained that he no longer wants to play in San Antonio and will eventually alert rival teams considering trades for him that his intention is to sign in Los Angeles when he can become a free agent in 2019, league sources said.

The Spurs are unlikely to be motivated to facilitate a deal to the Lakers, league sources said.

Leonard, a two-time first-team All-NBA player, can become an unrestricted free agent in 2019. He is eligible to sign a five-year, $219 million super maximum contract with the Spurs this summer.

Leonard had told confidants that he did not want to sit down with Popovich and has been purposely difficult for the Spurs to reach recently. Among the issues, Leonard is angry over what he believes was the Spurs' mishandling of his quad injury, and he remains irate with public comments from teammate Tony Parker (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/1015/tony-parker) and Popovich that he felt were not supportive of him, league sources said.

The Spurs' official priority has been to try to talk with Leonard to work through the issues, league sources said. That has been communicated to those teams seeking trade talks, although the Spurs have encouraged some rival team executives calling about Leonard to present an offer if they so choose, league sources said.

So far, the Spurs have been largely reluctant to give teams guidance on the players, or packages, that would interest them in trades, sources said.
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23846966/gregg-popovich-meets-kawhi-leonard-california

[Dingle Barry]

no way they cave and give him to Lakers. Lets hope they pull a rabbit out of the hat and get a deal that makes sense. Crazy that in a span of not even a week, i find myself rooting against Kawhi. So unprofessional, and really just straight up childish.

What took you so long?

[spurschamps99030507]

Don't buy ESPNs bullshit tbh. They're definitely pulling for Kawhi to LA.

Absolutely, these bastards are doing the dirty work to the fakers

[tbdog]

There are a few teams that will take Leonard on a rental and could send us a allstar calibre player in return.

Pistons and Drummond as they are desperate to make a playoffs run and Leonard and griffin could be a good tandem.

Raptors have pieces and want to make for a final, finals run. Who better than a king slayer?

Nuggets have a disappointing Millsap. Only two years left on that huge contract.

Heat have interesting pieces and Riley has the arrogance to believe he could retain Leonard

Blazers want to gut their salary and probably be happy dumping a bad contract like Turner with mccollum attached. Even though Leonard will walk.

Magic desperately want to make the playoffs and have some pieces we could like. Aaron Gordon sign and trade perhaps with Fournier or Ross attached.

Wizards are going to shake things up and perhaps Beal and mahimi would be their answer for a one off run then a retool on free agency the following year.

[spurschamps99030507]

someone said it before but who can be so mentally retarded to lose 80 million ?. Magic Johnson has broken the rules again and they have promised him something, money whatever.


Again who can think for 1 second of losing 80 million? there is something dark in all this and I hope there is an investigation.

[kjhip1]

What took you so long?

Was hoping it could be worked out...the recent Espn story line has him looking like a kid

[tbdog]

Just thinking of watching 2014 finals, but with this happen, it would be hard to not see what Leonard has done this past year. Hopefully I can ignore that sooner rather than later.

[smaka]

He sabotaged the Spurs for a whole year, and now wants to command where he will be traded. Sure thing, boy. Unless there is a top 4 pick in play or a nice package including Tatum, I would make this bum play another year for the Spurs and prove himself again.

And lol @ those offers from LAL with Kuzma and Ingram. Just another bunch of overrated LA players. See how Nance and Clarkson did in Cleveland.

[smaka]

Kawhi is a disgrace for an adult man. He cannot even go one on one with Pop, or make any statement in the last couple of months. Like a baby whose mother has to speak for him. I'm 100% sure he has some serious mental issues and that his "injury" was also mostly mental. What a joke.

[duncan2k5]

He sabotaged the Spurs for a whole year, and now wants to command where he will be traded. Sure thing, boy. Unless there is a top 4 pick in play or a nice package including Tatum, I would make this bum play another year for the Spurs and prove himself again.

And lol @ those offers from LAL with Kuzma and Ingram. Just another bunch of overrated LA players. See how Nance and Clarkson did in Cleveland.

Don't call him boy

[spurschamps99030507]

Kawhi is a disgrace for an adult man. He cannot even go one on one with Pop, or make any statement in the last couple of months. Like a baby whose mother has to speak for him. I'm 100% sure he has some serious mental issues and that his "injury" was also mostly mental. What a joke.
https://s.hdnux.com/photos/32/22/66/6892985/3/1024x1024.jpg

[RGMCSE]

He sabotaged the Spurs for a whole year, and now wants to command where he will be traded. Sure thing, boy. Unless there is a top 4 pick in play or a nice package including Tatum, I would make this bum play another year for the Spurs and prove himself again.

And lol @ those offers from LAL with Kuzma and Ingram. Just another bunch of overrated LA players. See how Nance and Clarkson did in Cleveland.

Dumbass laker fan at work was boasting that spurs would be lucky to get randle and maybe Kuzma but not Ingram and spurs should be happy to take that. Then I listen on sports radio these two ass clowns literally singing about kawhi being traded to la for nothing. If anything like this happens I quit the fucking nba cold ass turkey. I got better shit to do than watch a bitch ass laker franchise get sucked off again. It’s bad enough we have to see the bitch ass warriors. This league is fucked if this is the new trend.

[Killakobe81]

Of course they are. SportsCenter is headquartered in LA and regardless, making the Lakers one of the best teams in the league again means Big viewership $$$ for them.

Lets be real they did the same the next day for the Celtics.
Not saying your narrative is false, of course KL to Lakers is good for ratings ...but you are exaggerating a bit.
Besides SAS abd ithers killed us in there for years under Jim Buss and some of their talent hates Achilles ...
We definitely get ESPN love/coverage (lot more than Spurs) but a lot of hate too.
Spurs pre KL and Uncle Dennis it was all class personified best run franxhise along with Pats etc.

[Killakobe81]

He sabotaged the Spurs for a whole year, and now wants to command where he will be traded. Sure thing, boy. Unless there is a top 4 pick in play or a nice package including Tatum, I would make this bum play another year for the Spurs and prove himself again.

And lol @ those offers from LAL with Kuzma and Ingram. Just another bunch of overrated LA players. See how Nance and Clarkson did in Cleveland.

Ingram and Kuz are much better especially Ingran but u see your cause for concern. Lakerfan didnt lament losing Clarkson ..only Nance .. but with Randle and kuz he was redundant and had no range.

Yall can say what u want but i hope we keep Ingram. Not sure i buy KL is 100% healthy ...
Could be CiA pop selling us damaged goods :lol

[RGMCSE]

Lets be real they did the same the next day for the Celtics.
Not saying your narrative is false, of course KL to Lakers is good for ratings ...but you are exaggerating a bit.
Besides SAS abd ithers killed us in there for years under Jim Buss and some of their talent hates Achilles ...
We definitely get ESPN love/coverage (lot more than Spurs) but a lot of hate too.
Spurs pre KL and Uncle Dennis it was all class personified best run franxhise along with Pats etc.


Good pub/bad pub for Lakers is still good business for ESPN. ESPN is a built in recruiting agency for big market teams. Small market teams are at a disadvantage in many ways. The spurs 5 chips thanks to Duncan solidify his ultimate greatness. Any star can win with other stars in a big market with the most pub with the benefit of doubt.

[spurschamps99030507]

Fuck that. Sit him for the entire season and let him and his uncle see how many teams are willing to hand out max contracts to a bitch ass stabber that has missed two straight seasons.

you can not boycott your teammates, your coach, the organization that pays you 20m p y. If he doesn't want to cooperate with pop in solving the problems sit him for the entire season

[RGMCSE]

The Spurs are in a lose lose situation. This city is no longer going to support a kawhi led team knowing he’s bolting to LA. Kawhi single handedly destroyed any possibility of the spurs securing max value in a trade scenario by declaring he will sign with LA in 2019. This sounds like collusion. I don’t doubt Kawhi’s “people” have been getting advice on how to play this out. I wouldn’t be surprised if uncle dennis’s Marketing company has been financed by an untraceable booster of the Lakers in order to secure Kawhi. Follow the money on this one.

[DPG21920]

Who says no: Ingram + Parson + #4 + #25 for Kawhi?

MEM: Sheds Parsons but gives up #4 since LA doesnt have good enough picks or talent

LA: Gets Kawhi for only Ingram +25

SA: Has to lose Kawhi and eat 2 years of Parsons, but gets a young player/prospect in Ingram plus two first round picks including one in the top 4.

[yavozerb]

Who says no: Ingram + Parson + #4 + #25 for Kawhi?

MEM: Sheds Parsons but gives up #4 since LA doesnt have good enough picks or talent

LA: Gets Kawhi for only Ingram +25

SA: Has to lose Kawhi and eat 2 years of Parsons, but gets a young player/prospect in Ingram plus two first round picks including one in the top 4.

Parsons has 3 yrs left on that contract, pass...

[DPG21920]

Parsons has 3 yrs left on that contract, pass...

It’s only 2 years. The 17/18 season is already over, so its just the 18/19 season and 19/20 season left.

[baseline bum]

if anyone really thinks its warranted to quit on your team and request a trade because :cry someone hurt his feelings :cry then you're just as big a faggot as Kawhitter tbh

He had already quit on the team way before Parker's comments.

[BillMc]

Nothing has changed. Kawhi either signs the Super Max or you just bring him into training camp and and make him play next year. Lakers will likely use up cap space this summer, and then have to trade for Kawhi rather than sign him as an FA in summer 2019. If LAL has to trade, Spurs get leverage back.

Or screw it and take Kyrie and the Celtics pick. Kyrie + LMA is still a solid playoff team. Not gonna take out the Warriors, but could still be Top 4 in the West.

[DPG21920]

Nothing has changed. Kawhi either signs the Super Max or you just bring him into training camp and and make him play next year. Lakers will likely use up cap space this summer, and then have to trade for Kawhi rather than sign him as an FA in summer 2019. If LAL has to trade, Spurs get leverage back.

Or screw it and take Kyrie and the Celtics pick. Kyrie + LMA is still a solid playoff team. Not gonna take out the Warriors, but could still be Top 4 in the West.

Kyrie wont stay in SA IMO. So if all you get is him, then you traded Kawhi for nothing.

[RD2191]

Kyrie wont stay in SA IMO. So if all you get is him, then you traded Kawhi for nothing.

Weren't the Spurs at the top of his list last season or whenever? Also, where would he go?

[yavozerb]

It’s only 2 years. The 17/18 season is already over, so its just the 18/19 season and 19/20 season left.

Yes, you are correct on 2 years. Guess it depends on who is still available at #4 whether you take on that nasty contract or not.

[BillMc]

Kyrie wont stay in SA IMO. So if all you get is him, then you traded Kawhi for nothing.

Kyrie had SA as one of his desired teams last year when he wanted out of Cleveland. What makes you think he wouldn't stay?

[RD2191]

Actually now that I think about it, kyrie might be a little too Hollywood for the Spurs. I think he wants to play in a big market.

[cd98]

LA can’t wait a year to get Kawhi if it wants LeBron to sign this year.

[DPG21920]

Yes, you are correct on 2 years. Guess it depends on who is still available at #4 whether you take on that nasty contract or not.

I think if you have number 4 along with 18 & 25 you can move up to 2 to get whomever you want.

[baseline bum]

If this crap is true then the Spurs have little incentive to do anything other than make him play out his contract.

I wouldn't let him play.

[DPG21920]

Kyrie had SA as one of his desired teams last year when he wanted out of Cleveland. What makes you think he wouldn't stay?

He wanted out of CLE. He seemingly already wants out of BOS. Kawhi’s uncle and Kyrie’s people are close and Kawhi wanting out of SA and no longer being here means it’s less appealing.

[baseline bum]

Exactly. And since he (or his handlers) say that he's 100%, then the Spurs shouldn't do anything but expect him to show up in training camp.

(Hi, MB.)

Why even let him show up and be a cancer to the team? The Spurs should just do what the Suns did when they sent Bledsoe home for being a bitch.

[JPB]

Kawhard's rep and possibly career is dead.

Once all this circus will cool down and the smoke will vanish, everyone (if not already) will see this story as it should be.

Pop is the most respected guy in the league and nobody likes to see him being treated like this, nor the spurs to some extent.

It will be cleared to anyone that the injury and teammates comments were simply childish, ridiculous excuses.

Make an example. A move that will stay in history books as "being spursed" or "popped" for a star player kept and seated a whole season.

DNP "not feeling right", or DNP "nope..."

or DNP "so, fucker"

[DPG21920]

I would also think there is a decent chance we hear about Danny’s player option decision today..

[baseline bum]

Man I have been telling you guys for months that this is exactly how this summer was going to play out: that Leonard would let it be known he'd only extend with the Lakers and as a result the Spurs wouldn't get anything worth a shit in trade offers. And hence why the Spurs shouldn't trade him and should just make him sit out the season. The Lakers have nothing worth taking in trade.

[4lifecowboy]

Trade to Clippers

[exstatic]

?'m at the point now where I don't care what the Spurs get back, just want to cockblock the Lakers.

Best way to do that is keep him. The Lakers would have to not only dump Deng next summer, but nearly every other serviceable player, young and old, on their roster to clear a MAX slot. It also would make Bron pause, because it wastes a year of his career. He and PG ain’t taking down the warriors.

[baseline bum]

Best way to do that is keep him. The Lakers would have to not only dump Deng next summer, but nearly every other serviceable player, young and old, on their roster to clear a MAX slot. It also would make Bron pause, because it wastes a year of his career. He and PG ain’t taking down the warriors.

:cry But you have to get something :cry

I'd still take a sledgehammer to my BMW before I'd sell it for $100.

[DPG21920]

How about this overall scenario:

Rudy & Danny & Joff opt out. Manu retires. BP3 waived. SA clears the deck on all their cap holds (give or take 1 or 2 players with small holds).

SA trades LMA to PHX for Josh Jackson - PHX is trying to win now and they seemed to like LMA, this allows SA to shed salary but also get a young wing Kawhi replacement.

SA trades Kawhi to LA involving MEM for Ingram + Parsons + #4 + #25

So SA clears the deck on everyone except Murray, White, Pau, Mills, Ingram, Jackson & Parsons. They have picks 4, 18 & 25.

You can either package picks to move up or stay put and try to get something for Mills if you can.

But core is now Murray, White, Josh Jackson, Ingram and 4th pick (say Jaren Jackson Jr or Mo Bamba).

[objective]

The latest bit about telling teams to not trade for him because he'll sign with LA is the height of assholery and why the Spurs NEED to sit him out.

Because that's Kawhi's handholders truly fucking with the Spurs in a malicious way and has to be paid back.

And also how you know Kawhi's 'injury' was bullshit and his concern over it is completely fake.

Because if you polled 100 people in the league and asked who had the best medical & training staff, 100 out of 100 would say Phoenix.

Nobody would say the Lakers. The Lakers just did their own fuckup with Lonzo's leg.

If Kawhi's injury was that big a deal he'd ask to go to Phoenix: closer to home, he'd have their training staff, they'd have cap space, he'd have the ball as the main guy with Booker as his number 2, etc etc.

But it's all bullshit.

Burn him for it.

[picnroll]

If Spurs can package Leonard and move up to get Bomba if he’s still available and other assets, say from the 76ers Fultz and Saric, I’d Pull that desk

[objective]

How about this overall scenario:

Rudy & Danny & Joff opt out. Manu retires. BP3 waived. SA clears the deck on all their cap holds (give or take 1 or 2 players with small holds).

SA trades LMA to PHX for Josh Jackson - PHX is trying to win now and they seemed to like LMA, this allows SA to shed salary but also get a young wing Kawhi replacement.

SA trades Kawhi to LA involving MEM for Ingram + Parsons + #4 + #25

So SA clears the deck on everyone except Murray, White, Pau, Mills, Ingram, Jackson & Parsons. They have picks 4, 18 & 25.

You can either package picks to move up or stay put and try to get something for Mills if you can.

But core is now Murray, White, Josh Jackson, Ingram and 4th pick (say Jaren Jackson Jr or Mo Bamba).

This might be a good way to make the Kawhi for Jackson & trash trade even worse.

So the Spurs move Kawhi AND LMA for Jackson, Parsons, and the right to take who, Bamba or Wendell Carter and Grayson Allen?

No thanks for me

[mystargtr34]

:cry But you have to get something :cry

I'd still take a sledgehammer to my BMW before I'd sell it for $100.

Same. Good analogy. I’d rather let him sit next season and not play and then let him walk in 2019 rather than trade him to the Lakers.. let him waste two years of his prime.

[DPG21920]

If Spurs can package Leonard and move up to get Bomba if he’s still available and other assets, say from the 76ers Fultz and Saric, I’d Pull that desk

Me too - if they could package 10 + 18 for 4 or 5, plus get Fultz/Saric that would be solid.

[DPG21920]

This might be a good way to make the Kawhi for Jackson & trash trade even worse.

So the Spurs move Kawhi AND LMA for Jackson, Parsons, and the right to take who, Bamba or Wendell Carter and Grayson Allen?

No thanks for me

You wouldn’t trade Kawhi/LMA for Luka Doncic, Ingram and Josh Jackson right now?

[objective]

You wouldn’t trade Kawhi for Luka Doncic right now?

I'd think about it, but not by himself and he's not lasting until 4 as I see it anyway

I also doubt Memphis would ever really dump #4 just to offload Parsons. Their weirdo owner has talked about getting back to 50 wins with this draft, and would probably stare at Chris Wallace long enough to make Wallace not sell 4 for cap relief.

If PHX offered 1, 16, Jackson and whatever filler crap was needed, that's worth it.

Then I could believe MEM willing to move down to 16 and take back Jackson in exchange for 4 and the Spurs taking Parsons

Walk away with Doncic and #4 to play with LMA? Absolutely.

Otherwise the team is heading into a downward spiral of anguish and it's worth it to keep Kawhi spinning for a year if they can't get FAIR value back. Not equal, FAIR. Kawhi is possibly the best player in the league when he's not faking and if Lebron fades slightly. Top 3 at least. His PER in the playoffs last year was like top 3 all-time post merger. He singlehandedly had the Spurs up 20 on the road against GS while his scrubby teammates were choking like crazy. He almost won a game by himself against Memphis in an all-time great performance. He was still easily the Spurs advanced stats leader this season even though he was out of shape and rusty and pre-occupied with how to screw the team over. His last 3 games in a Spur uniform he averaged 4 steals A GAME.

Don't trade the best player in the league for Jackson or Tobias Harris or other crap. It won't keep the team relevant and it won't feel good either.

[r0drig0lac]

Kawhard's rep and possibly career is dead.

Once all this circus will cool down and the smoke will vanish, everyone (if not already) will see this story as it should be.

Pop is the most respected guy in the league and nobody likes to see him being treated like this, nor the spurs to some extent.

It will be cleared to anyone that the injury and teammates comments were simply childish, ridiculous excuses.

Make an example. A move that will stay in history books as "being spursed" or "popped" for a star player kept and seated a whole season.

DNP "not feeling right", or DNP "nope..."

or DNP "so, fucker"

perhaps in the "ideal world"
but in the real world, none of this will matter if he returns to play as before the injury, and if he really gets into a supertime and wins titles in a "big market" he will be even more adored than before.



I hope he has a serious injury as soon as he gets on the court by another team, if all this information is true;

ps: Parker is an idiot, but Kawhi is disrespecting a franchise, and especially Popovich

[baseline bum]

How about this overall scenario:

Rudy & Danny & Joff opt out. Manu retires. BP3 waived. SA clears the deck on all their cap holds (give or take 1 or 2 players with small holds).

SA trades LMA to PHX for Josh Jackson - PHX is trying to win now and they seemed to like LMA, this allows SA to shed salary but also get a young wing Kawhi replacement.

SA trades Kawhi to LA involving MEM for Ingram + Parsons + #4 + #25

So SA clears the deck on everyone except Murray, White, Pau, Mills, Ingram, Jackson & Parsons. They have picks 4, 18 & 25.

You can either package picks to move up or stay put and try to get something for Mills if you can.

But core is now Murray, White, Josh Jackson, Ingram and 4th pick (say Jaren Jackson Jr or Mo Bamba).

I'd definitely trade Leonard to LA if I could get #4 and Ingram if RC has someone he loves at 4. Aldridge for Jackson seems ridiculous though, no way Phoenix is doing that trade.

[DPG21920]

I'd think about it, but not by himself and he's not lasting until 4 as I see it anyway

I also doubt Memphis would ever really dump #4 just to offload Parsons. Their weirdo owner has talked about getting back to 50 wins with this draft, and would probably stare at Chris Wallace long enough to make Wallace not sell 4 for cap relief.

If PHX offered 1, 16, Jackson and whatever filler crap was needed, that's worth it.

Then I could believe MEM willing to move down to 16 and take back Jackson in exchange for 4 and the Spurs taking Parsons

Walk away with Doncic and #4 to play with LMA? Absolutely.

Otherwise the team is heading into a downward spiral of anguish and it's worth it to keep Kawhi spinning for a year if they can't get FAIR value back. Not equal, FAIR. Kawhi is possibly the best player in the league when he's not faking and if Lebron fades slightly. Top 3 at least. His PER in the playoffs last year was like top 3 all-time post merger. He singlehandedly had the Spurs up 20 on the road against GS while his scrubby teammates were choking like crazy. He almost won a game by himself against Memphis in an all-time great performance. He was still easily the Spurs advanced stats leader this season even though he was out of shape and rusty and pre-occupied with how to screw the team over. His last 3 games in a Spur uniform he averaged 4 steals A GAME.

Don't trade the best player in the league for Jackson or Tobias Harris or other crap. It won't keep the team relevant and it won't feel good either.

If you do my proposed deal you get Jackson/Ingram which is a great young package overall for LMA/Kawhi. With picks 4, 18 & 25 I have no doubt in my mind you can move up to 2 or 3 and get Doncic if you so desired.

[DPG21920]

I'd definitely trade Leonard to LA if I could get #4 and Ingram if RC has someone he loves at 4. Aldridge for Jackson seems ridiculous though, no way Phoenix is doing that trade.

I think people underestimate how much PHX wants to win now. Jackson has such potential, but getting a proven All-NBA player under contract while keeping the number 1 pick and Booker??

I can see that being appealing for a team trying to make the jump to the playoffs NOW.

[objective]

If you do my proposed deal you get Jackson/Ingram which is a great young package overall for LMA/Kawhi. With picks 4, 18 & 25 I have no doubt in my mind you can move up to 2 or 3 and get Doncic if you so desired.

I don't think Jackson/Ingram is a great young package, sorry. I also wouldn't even have Jackson level with Ingram, not that I think they get you anywhere anyway.

And you still lose out on LMA. And hope that Atlanta or Sacramento take whatever the offer is.

Doesn't pass the smell test.

I don't think LA could make an offer that would get them Doncic on their own if they decided they wanted to go that way. But their offer that couldn't get Doncic can get Kawhi?

No thanks.

[baseline bum]

I think people underestimate how much PHX wants to win now. Jackson has such potential, but getting a proven All-NBA player under contract while keeping the number 1 pick and Booker??

I can see that being appealing for a team trying to make the jump to the playoffs NOW.

Why would they want Aldridge getting in Ayton's way? I don't see it.

[DPG21920]

Why would they want Aldridge getting in Ayton's way? I don't see it.

I don’t see it as getting in his way at all. I see it as he’s a rookie, LMA is an all star/all nba and they can grow together and be a much more seasoned talented team now.

[DPG21920]

I don't think Jackson/Ingram is a great young package, sorry. I also wouldn't even have Jackson level with Ingram, not that I think they get you anywhere anyway.

And you still lose out on LMA. And hope that Atlanta or Sacramento take whatever the offer is.

Doesn't pass the smell test.

I don't think LA could make an offer that would get them Doncic on their own if they decided they wanted to go that way. But their offer that couldn't get Doncic can get Kawhi?

No thanks.

Yes, because SA would be willing to eat Parsons where LA wouldn’t, they can get Kawhi but not 4.

[DPG21920]

Why would they want Aldridge getting in Ayton's way? I don't see it.

I mean, PHX is on record saying they would trade number one for a proven star (I’m sure they prefer younger) that is under contract. It shows you their mindset. If they can get that player but keep number one pick as well??

[baseline bum]

I don’t see it as getting in his way at all. I see it as he’s a rookie, LMA is an all star/all nba and they can grow together and be a much more seasoned talented team now.

I think they'd much rather get Ayton his shots. They're expecting him to be their franchise bigman, not someone to defer to a guy on the wrong side of 30 who will be declining rapidly by the time Ayton is seasoned enough for them to be a playoff team.

[DaBears]

hold him at this point... the offers that are being reported are complete shit.

My thought from a business perspective, no team at this point is willing to put forth thier best offers as in terms of talent for Kawhi since he will not commit to longer than a 1 season. Now my logic would tell me the longer you hold out the worse the deals will get down the line. So do you deal now or take the chance on getting less in return.

Or do you hold pat with Kiwi until the latest date possible too see where LBJ signs, then at that point trade him to the opposite side of the country thus avoiding have a Super Team from being built. You run the risk of getting less in return but you avlod another potential foe down the road, and this team will not be any worse off than this past season making it to the playoff's. So it is a win, win in my book.

[Drewlius]

Actually now that I think about it, kyrie might be a little too Hollywood for the Spurs. I think he wants to play in a big market.

Meh, doubt this is a huge factor for him at this point. Unlike Kawhi he has already proven himself to be a marketable guy on the National Level. He has a damn wide release motion picture coming out here soon. I don’t think it matters where he plays at this point.

[DPG21920]

I think they'd much rather get Ayton his shots. They're expecting him to be their franchise bigman, not someone to defer to a guy on the wrong side of 30 who will be declining rapidly by the time Ayton is seasoned enough for them to be a playoff team.

If that is the case you can trade LMA at that point, but I really think PHX would do that deal. But who knows.

[NASpurs]

So is it a coincidence that Kawhi and Pop met before the draft? Is there a good chance he gets traded in the next 24-36 hours?

[DPG21920]

So is it a coincidence that Kawhi and Pop met before the draft? Is there a good chance he gets traded in the next 24-36 hours?

I think the better way to put it would be is a draft day trade (or today) is a big mile marker to lookout for.

[DaBears]

GO figure at this point take the best offer on the table, but dont rush into it, lets not rush like CLE did with Irving trade.

[baseline bum]

GO figure at this point take the best offer on the table, but dont rush into it, lets not rush like CLE did with Irving trade.

If the best offer is Kuzma + Ingram, no thanks. The Lakers can say no to LeBron this summer and sign Kawhi next summer then.

[Spurs4#5]

If you look at all the crap out there posted by the media about kawhi not wanting to play for the spurs and being disgruntled because of x,y,and z. Then you look at the latest report that this meeting was schedule weeks ago and wasn’t in response to the trade rumors. All it sounds like is kawhis group trying to get leverage to get the super max. If you take away ESPN reporting because they obviously have an agenda to push for him to the Lakers, what reports do you have left? Only really Jabari Parker’s and Peter vescey. I’m a gambling man and I would bet on the odds of kawhi staying in San Antonio.

[objective]

Meh, doubt this is a huge factor for him at this point. Unlike Kawhi he has already proven himself to be a marketable guy on the National Level. He has a damn wide release motion picture coming out here soon. I don’t think it matters where he plays at this point.

Well, everyone in the NBA is marketable at the National Level. Kawhi doesn't have deals because he either doesn't want them or his managment team is full of incompetent vultures who have no clue how to get deals and are desperate for LA agencies to dump deals in their laps.

Kevin Love was a fat bum who had never even been to the playoffs in Minnesota and he had national ad campaigns back then.

Lillard had national campaigns in Portland.

Durant had his own movie in OKC. Westbrook has multi-million dollar campaigns in OKC.

Everyone who isn't a Gump or a basketcase has deals. Only Kawhi and his hustlers are unable to be marketable in San Antonio.

[objective]

So is it a coincidence that Kawhi and Pop met before the draft? Is there a good chance he gets traded in the next 24-36 hours?

I would guess coincidence.

After the draft is when they put together the summer league team and the coaches all get together to sort out their goals for the SL and Pop probably has to be there for that, and then who knows if he has any national team commitments. He could easily be too busy after the draft to get with Kawhi.

[JPB]

How about this overall scenario:

Rudy & Danny & Joff opt out. Manu retires. BP3 waived. SA clears the deck on all their cap holds (give or take 1 or 2 players with small holds).

SA trades LMA to PHX for Josh Jackson - PHX is trying to win now and they seemed to like LMA, this allows SA to shed salary but also get a young wing Kawhi replacement.

SA trades Kawhi to LA involving MEM for Ingram + Parsons + #4 + #25

So SA clears the deck on everyone except Murray, White, Pau, Mills, Ingram, Jackson & Parsons. They have picks 4, 18 & 25.

You can either package picks to move up or stay put and try to get something for Mills if you can.

But core is now Murray, White, Josh Jackson, Ingram and 4th pick (say Jaren Jackson Jr or Mo Bamba).

Perfect for tanking.

[objective]

If you look at all the crap out there posted by the media about kawhi not wanting to play for the spurs and being disgruntled because of x,y,and z. Then you look at the latest report that this meeting was schedule weeks ago and wasn’t in response to the trade rumors. All it sounds like is kawhis group trying to get leverage to get the super max. If you take away ESPN reporting because they obviously have an agenda to push for him to the Lakers, what reports do you have left? Only really Jabari Parker’s and Peter vescey. I’m a gambling man and I would bet on the odds of kawhi staying in San Antonio.

I don't think so anymore.

He could have played hardball without quitting on the season and faking how bad he was hurt. Too injured to sit on a bench but not too hurt to be bored at a Dodgers game.

He could have easily dropped the trade demand if he didn't get the SuperMax after the season. People leverage without quitting and running. Kobe leveraged in the parking lot of a fast food joint on video to get his way, he didn't sit out a whole damn year and hide. Shaq had surgery on company time and yelled at the owner, but he didn't quit and go home the last 4 months.

[tbdog]

Swingman prospects are weird bunches. They can tease you with greatness and then falter just a quick. Apart from Durant and Lebron, Leonard and PG are like the best wingmen, and they did not come top 5 in the draft. If we gonna build around Jackson or Ingam or Brown, you gonna be disappointed. Then they will cost you cause they put up numbers, see Harris.

[JPB]

perhaps in the "ideal world"
but in the real world, none of this will matter if he returns to play as before the injury, and if he really gets into a supertime and wins titles in a "big market" he will be even more adored than before.



I hope he has a serious injury as soon as he gets on the court by another team, if all this information is true;

ps: Parker is an idiot, but Kawhi is disrespecting a franchise, and especially Popovich

Get your point but not so sure nowadays with social media and shit.

Look at Durant. Won two rings, two FMVPs and still perceived (and will be his whole life) as Durbeta, the guy who left his franchise to join a 73 win team he couldn't beat.

By the fans and the players (current and former).

Besides, as I said, Pop is an icon and the kind of shit the "group" is pulling is really making it worth than just bolting for LA, like Durant for GS who didn't sat a whole year in silence with a mysterious injury and inventing all kinds of excuses (was UFA but still)...

You can be sure tongues will loosen once the situation will clear. And it's not necessarily be pretty.

[NASpurs]

Trade for Kemba :lol

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[baseline bum]

Trade for Kemba :lol

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Bible Kemp finally gets his trade to the Nets, six years later :lol

[toki9]

Trade for Kemba :lol

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And the trade market opens...

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Don't call him boy

[DPG21920]

So Mozgov, who has 2 fully guaranteed years of 16M each only took two second rounders to move. If SA needs to move Pau it should be relatively easy.

[NASpurs]

So Mozgov, who has 2 fully guaranteed years of 16M each only took two second rounders to move. If SA needs to move Pau it should be relatively easy.

And the Pau has no problem with being traded as he knows the Spurs might head towards another direction with the whole Kawhi fiasco being a key factor.

http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/pau-gasol-isnt-worried-if-he-traded-from-spurs

[Uriel]

Reading some of the comments in this thread, I think the real question should be: if Pop is able to salvage the relationship with Kawhi Leonard, will Kawhi Leonard be able to salvage his relationship with Spurs fans? :lol

[Spurs4#5]

I don't think so anymore.

He could have played hardball without quitting on the season and faking how bad he was hurt. Too injured to sit on a bench but not too hurt to be bored at a Dodgers game.

He could have easily dropped the trade demand if he didn't get the SuperMax after the season. People leverage without quitting and running. Kobe leveraged in the parking lot of a fast food joint on video to get his way, he didn't sit out a whole damn year and hide. Shaq had surgery on company time and yelled at the owner, but he didn't quit and go home the last 4 months.

Yeah I feel you but the only narrative of him quitting on his team is coming from this site. No one here actually knows the severity of his injury. He could’ve gotten advice saying don’t play until you feel 100% because of the whole situation with Isaiah Thomas and didn’t want to mess up his chances at getting a Super max deal. All I’m saying is he’s still a spur until he isn’t and I think if he’s not traded on draft night or before he’s staying a spur

[objective]

So Mozgov, who has 2 fully guaranteed years of 16M each only took two second rounders to move. If SA needs to move Pau it should be relatively easy.

Yes, but they also took back 23.8 million on the Howard deal. They really only got off of 9 million for the 2 seconds and cash.

[DPG21920]

Yes, but they also took back 23.8 million on the Howard deal. They really only got off of 9 million for the 2 seconds and cash.

For sure, but if SA wants off of Pau’s last year fully? Easy. Even to move the entire deal with taking back less/no salary should not be difficult.

If a team is looking to shed one year of bad salary like CHA, Pau could have POSITIVE value like Mozgov did because his 2nd year is only 6M guaranteed vs Moz who was fully guaranteed at 16M

[objective]

For sure, but if SA wants off of Pau’s last year fully? Easy. Even to move the entire deal with taking back less/no salary should not be difficult.

If a team is looking to shed one year of bad salary like CHA, Pau could have POSITIVE value like Mozgov did because his 2nd year is only 6M guaranteed vs Moz who was fully guaranteed at 16M

Yes, but maybe this is an outlier case because of how Kupchack must be really into Mozgov. Maybe Mitch thinks he fleeced Marks. :lol:

[DPG21920]

^ True :lol

[cd98]

Reading some of the comments in this thread, I think the real question should be: if Pop is able to salvage the relationship with Kawhi Leonard, will Kawhi Leonard be able to salvage his relationship with Spurs fans? :lol

Pop isn't salvaging the relationship. He's keeping Kawhi from further damaging his trade value while the Spurs cook up a way to get maximum value for him.

[HarlemHeat37]

Weird trade, they're going to bench Allen after a promising rookie season?

[MaNu4Tres]

For sure, but if SA wants off of Pau’s last year fully? Easy. Even to move the entire deal with taking back less/no salary should not be difficult.

If a team is looking to shed one year of bad salary like CHA, Pau could have POSITIVE value like Mozgov did because his 2nd year is only 6M guaranteed vs Moz who was fully guaranteed at 16M

Hornets & Nets deal was unique because the 7 million Hornets saved for next season with this trade ( Howard 24 million - Mosgovs 16.7 million) will cut their tax bill next year. Hornets were willing to take two years of Mosgov to not be a tax payer. They likely had no takers for a Howard dump, so that's why the Nets got two 2nd rounders.

[objective]

Weird trade, they're going to bench Allen after a promising rookie season?

Wouldn't surprise me if he's just cut or bought out before the season. No need to have him poison the locker room with his nonsense.

Barring that, a post trade-deadline buyout.

[objective]

Hornets & Nets deal was unique because the 7 million Hornets saved for next season with this trade ( Howard 24 million - Mosgovs 16.7 million) will cut their tax bill next year. Hornets were willing to take two years of Mosgov to not be a tax payer. They likely had no takers for a Howard dump, so that's why the Nets got two 2nd rounders.

also true, they were right at the tax but now can breathe a little.

[HarlemHeat37]

Wouldn't surprise me if he's just cut or bought out before the season. No need to have him poison the locker room with his nonsense.

Barring that, a post trade-deadline buyout.

Makes sense, would be strange to add a locker room cancer to a young team with a promising player at the same position..

[Killakobe81]

Yes, but maybe this is an outlier case because of how Kupchack must be really into Mozgov. Maybe Mitch thinks he fleeced Marks. :lol:

you sign him to the worst contract of FA that year ...
And then you trade for teh same contract two/three years later?

Not sure if the "magic wand" is not only broken but Mozgoff has broken it off in Kupchak's ass.

[Mugen]

I really hope Pop/RC hold onto Kawhi and force him to report to training camp or risk ruining his image/rep even further.

But you really got to think that they might want to cut the cancer as soon as possible. There are other decisions to be made based on the Leonard domino (Manu retiring, LMA, Pop's future, Danny, Porky, etc.).

Just knowing RC/Pop, they might not think it's fair to keep those guys waiting while this bullshit drama plays out.

[Killakobe81]

Hornets & Nets deal was unique because the 7 million Hornets saved for next season with this trade ( Howard 24 million - Mosgovs 16.7 million) will cut their tax bill next year. Hornets were willing to take two years of Mosgov to not be a tax payer. They likely had no takers for a Howard dump, so that's why the Nets got two 2nd rounders.

I get that part but just a strange "look".

[Extra Stout]

The Spurs should take care of the Spurs. Unless they are offered a foundational prospect, they are better off letting the player walk than weighing down their roster with expensive mediocre players just so they can say they got something. The player remains under contract. If he refuses to honor the terms of the contract, he will not be paid. Once his contract is over, he can sign a new one wherever he likes under the terms of the NBA CBA. Alternatively, he may negotiate a buyout if both parties can agree to terms.

That the end of his contract fails to align with the offseason in which his preferred destination has $61 million in cap space and two other elite players potentially willing to join him there is not the Spurs’ problem. They have no reason to accommodate his wishes, and his attempts to apply pressure through the media will fail and/or backfire.

What has come out in the news in the past day matches what has been rumored in this decaying Internet forum for several months. If posters here knew in February, then the Spurs organization has known longer. It is unlikely that they have no plan other than to play the chump.

[Killakobe81]

I really hope Pop/RC hold onto Kawhi and force him to report to training camp or risk ruining his image/rep even further.

But you really got to think that they might want to cut the cancer as soon as possible. There are other decisions to be made based on the Leonard domino (Manu retiring, LMA, Pop's future, Danny, Porky, etc.).

Just knowing RC/Pop, they might not think it's fair to keep those guys waiting while this bullshit drama plays out.

That was one of my concerns with the just let him rot argument ...
Not only do you leave the team in limbo and place a dark cloud on teh team's future but you hamper the vision.
Spurs can take less frome someone else to spite the Lakers and even punich KL by sending him to a shite franchise like Atlanta, memphis or sacto

Speaking of Memphis i hear some of the "big" prospects like bamba are refusing to work out for Grizz.
I wonder if it's these cats want to star right away (Gasol) or do rookies just hate Memphis?

[toki9]

Wouldn't surprise me if he's just cut or bought out before the season. No need to have him poison the locker room with his nonsense.

Barring that, a post trade-deadline buyout.

It's remarkable just how far he has fallen.

[Killakobe81]

The Spurs should take care of the Spurs. Unless they are offered a foundational prospect, they are better off letting the player walk than weighing down their roster with expensive mediocre players just so they can say they got something. The player remains under contract. If he refuses to honor the terms of the contract, he will not be paid. Once his contract is over, he can sign a new one wherever he likes under the terms of the NBA CBA. Alternatively, he may negotiate a buyout if both parties can agree to terms.

That the end of his contract fails to align with the offseason in which his preferred destination has $61 million in cap space and two other elite players potentially willing to join him there is not the Spurs’ problem. They have no reason to accommodate his wishes, and his attempts to apply pressure through the media will fail and/or backfire.

What has come out in the news in the past day matches what has been rumored in this decaying Internet forum for several months. If posters here knew in February, then the Spurs organization has known longer. It is unlikely that they have no plan other than to play the chump.

Draft picks and young prospects like Tatum, Ingram Jackson are not expensive.

[Mugen]

That was one of my concerns with the just let him rot argument ...
Not only do you leave the team in limbo and place a dark cloud on teh team's future but you hamper the vision.
Spurs can take less frome someone else to spite the Lakers and even punich KL by sending him to a shite franchise like Atlanta, memphis or sacto

Speaking of Memphis i hear some of the "big" prospects like bamba are refusing to work out for Grizz.
I wonder if it's these cats want to star right away (Gasol) or do rookies just hate Memphis?

The Clippers would do 12, 13, and Tobias for Kawhi/Pau in a heartbeat by tomorrow's draft if Pop/RC called. And that's a better deal than having to take back trash like Kuz and Deng.

You really think Jerry West is in it for the long haul? He needs a star quick and i think the Clippers aren't scared off at all by Kawhi saying Lakers only.

Whatever happens between now and the end of tomorrow's draft is a big indicator of how this situation will play out tbh.

[DPG21920]

Hornets & Nets deal was unique because the 7 million Hornets saved for next season with this trade ( Howard 24 million - Mosgovs 16.7 million) will cut their tax bill next year. Hornets were willing to take two years of Mosgov to not be a tax payer. They likely had no takers for a Howard dump, so that's why the Nets got two 2nd rounders.

Sure, but there could be other teams doing the same as CHA. Also Pau doesn’t have a fully guaranteed 2nd year, so even without taking a year of someone to save them from LT, they also aren’t asking a team to take on a 2nd year like Moz either.

Also it was CHA that got 2 2nd rounders, not Nets.

[rjv]

The Spurs should take care of the Spurs. Unless they are offered a foundational prospect, they are better off letting the player walk than weighing down their roster with expensive mediocre players just so they can say they got something. The player remains under contract. If he refuses to honor the terms of the contract, he will not be paid. Once his contract is over, he can sign a new one wherever he likes under the terms of the NBA CBA. Alternatively, he may negotiate a buyout if both parties can agree to terms.

That the end of his contract fails to align with the offseason in which his preferred destination has $61 million in cap space and two other elite players potentially willing to join him there is not the Spurs’ problem. They have no reason to accommodate his wishes, and his attempts to apply pressure through the media will fail and/or backfire.

What has come out in the news in the past day matches what has been rumored in this decaying Internet forum for several months. If posters here knew in February, then the Spurs organization has known longer. It is unlikely that they have no plan other than to play the chump.

i agree. IF leonard really has said lakers or no deal and IF the spurs cannot reach an agreement with leonard then, based on the paltry offering the spurs can get from LA, i would tell leonard to play out the season and see how he feels at the end of next year (if he lets the max deadline pass in october). if he walks, the cap space is likely a better scenario than having to pay a bunch of scrubs that have no shot at beating the warriors.

[Killakobe81]

The Clippers would do 12, 13, and Tobias for Kawhi/Pau in a heartbeat by tomorrow's draft if Pop/RC called. And that's a better deal than having to take back trash like Kuz and Deng.

You really think Jerry West is in it for the long haul? He needs a star quick and i think the Clippers aren't scared off at all by Kawhi saying Lakers only.

Whatever happens between now and the end of tomorrow's draft is a big indicator of how this situation will play out tbh.

Not sure why you guys are hating on Kuz.
But I definitely agree that Deng is trash.

Hey if you like that deal, god bless sons.
Unless you plan to keep and extend Harris you basically trading KL for two first rounders.
none that are top 10.

Philly deal and potential Phx deals are better but doesnt matter to me. I Wanna keep ingram anyways and I like Kuz not as much but I think he can a high level 6th man or 4th/5th starter on a verry good team.. I see alot of Robert Horry in his game less defense but more offense.

[cd98]

i agree. IF leonard really has said lakers or no deal and IF the spurs cannot reach an agreement with leonard then, based on the paltry offering the spurs can get from LA, i would tell leonard to play out the season and see how he feels at the end of next year (if he lets the max deadline pass in october). if he walks, the cap space is likely a better scenario than having to pay a bunch of scrubs that have no shot at beating the warriors.

Lakers need the trade to happen before free agency to get their big 3. Spurs in no rush. Basically, if LA can't get Kawhi traded before signing LeBron/PG, they won't have the money to form a super team. Then, Kawhi would have to go elsewhere and that would be tough. If you are LA, you can't pass up PG and Lebron for the risk of getting/not getting Kawhi.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQwtB_DVpHk

[objective]

Spurs should keep Kawhi and bring him to camp

And

Sign ZaZa to a minimum deal so he can finish what he started in training camp

[Ginobilly]

Can he be suspended without pay if he doesn't show up to training camp? The nba needs to step in and suspend these players without pay for the year if they pull any of this fake injury crap because i want to go to a bigger market:cry:cry. People in the real world get sued and not paid if you don't honor your terms of the contract. These spoiled players shouldnt be any different.


The more i see of uncle denis holding kawards hand, the more i think he does have some sort of mental disability. He does look kind of chisqiado in the face. Was he in special ed growing up? This is not normal behavior for a sane 27 yr old man. His family is scared of leaving him alone with pop.:lol

[Killakobe81]

BTW I really like tatum even more than Ingram and waaay more than Jackson.
But I just dont get why Ainge, unless he has injury or re-signing concerns ...why he would not include Tatum in a KL deal?

I really like him but if KL is healthy as much as i like him and to bit less ingram bvery unlikely either guy will be as good as KL at his peak.
The reason I would say no if I were ainge is because Tatum has great upside and wil be cheaper.
But if celts are in win-now mode ...dont see why they would not.

As for Jaylen I would flip him in heartbeat for KL ...

[Extra Stout]

Draft picks and young prospects like Tatum, Ingram Jackson are not expensive. Fair enough. I’ll revise the point — they shouldn’t waste their time acquiring prospects they don’t really want, or draft picks too low to get anyone they see as a foundational prospect, just to say they got something.

If the player really wants to sign with the Lakers this summer, perhaps he could forfeit the last year of his contract, reimburse the team for 89% of his 2017-18 salary given that he malingered most of the year, and offer up something on top for the trouble. Of course that’s not reality, since the ploy here was to force a trade so he could go to Los Angeles AND get paid as much as he can.

[Mugen]

Not sure why you guys are hating on Kuz.
But I definitely agree that Deng is trash.

Hey if you like that deal, god bless sons.
Unless you plan to keep and extend Harris you basically trading KL for two first rounders.
none that are top 10.

Philly deal and potential Phx deals are better but doesnt matter to me. I Wanna keep ingram anyways and I like Kuz not as much but I think he can a high level 6th man or 4th/5th starter on a verry good team.. I see alot of Robert Horry in his game less defense but more offense.

Watched a fair amount of Kuz since I'm in SoCal and it's Jordan Clarkson 2.0. He's a guy you can find in the late 20s if you are good enough (kudos to the Lakers for getting him late). And Deng cancels out any potential value that you get with Kuz.

So it's essentially Kawhi for Ingram who has shown flashes of being good but nothing star worthy. Probably a Josh Howard ceiling tbh.

I'd prefer the Spurs get some lottery picks and get a couple of chances to land a star player.

[ernest787]

If we are to believe Woj is getting most of his info from the Spurs and Jabari/Sham are getting info from Kawhi's camp, then if you put the 2 "conflicting" reports together this is what I gather:

Pop met with Kawhi (possibly his camp too). Kawhi let him know he wants out. Pop tries to salvage the relationship. Kawhi blames the injury/Parker/lack of support and says it's over and he want to be traded. Pop discusses trade possibilities. Kawhi says he will only sign with LA, so there is no point in shopping him anywhere else. Meeting ends and Kawhi's camp tells media it was a great convo b/c from their side it was. Spurs drop the other side to ESPN to further show what a chump Kawhi is.

This is a complete standoff. It's a matter of which side will blink first. Is Kawhi really OK walking away from that much money (either the supermax or from an extension with a team trades for him)? Are the Spurs willing to take this into the season and see if they can work it out and potentially take it through next summer and call Kawhi's bluff?

[NASpurs]

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[cd98]

What I'd love to know is if the Spurs were ever willing to give Kawhi the super max. That would be telling. If Kawhi wasn't offered it, I get the LA move. If Kawhi didn't care about the Supermax it will expose the whole supermax deal.

[FkLA]

So wait, Kawhi ran from NY and had to be chased down by Pop in San Diego? I don't get how this was the plan all along when the same reputable guys reporting the San Diego meet were reporting the NY one.

[Killakobe81]

Watched a fair amount of Kuz since I'm in SoCal and it's Jordan Clarkson 2.0. He's a guy you can find in the late 20s if you are good enough (kudos to the Lakers for getting him late). And Deng cancels out any potential value that you get with Kuz.

So it's essentially Kawhi for Ingram who has shown flashes of being good but nothing star worthy. Probably a Josh Howard ceiling tbh.

I'd prefer the Spurs get some lottery picks and get a couple of chances to land a star player.

nah he will be better than Clarkson. Easily.
Kid was best player at combine.
Then was one of the best in Summer League
Then was one of the best rookies in a strong class.

No sane Laker fan should choose Ingram/Kuz over a KL/Lebron pairing (PG is less desirable tbh) ... but As i told deeps if we end up just watching the kids grow another year I am chill with that tbh.
Lonzo has some good traits but he is the most shaky of our prospects heck, I even like Josh hart.

[Mugen]

nah he will be better than Clarkson. Easily.
Kid was best player at combine.
Then was one of the best in Summer League
Then was one of the best rookies in a strong class.

No sane Laker fan should choose Ingram/Kuz over a KL/Lebron pairing (PG is less desirable tbh) ... but As i told deeps if we end up just watching the kids grow another year I am chill with that tbh.
Lonzo has some good traits but he is the most shaky of our prospects heck, I even like Josh hart.

:lol Kuz is 22, he should have been one of the best at combine, summer league, put up big numbers on a team that couldn't defend, etc....

I'm with you, nice player with Robert Horry potential. But i'd rather the Spurs pass and get another swing at a lottery pick tbh.

[cd98]

nah he will be better than Clarkson. Easily.
Kid was best player at combine.
Then was one of the best in Summer League
Then was one of the best rookies in a strong class.

No sane Laker fan should choose Ingram/Kuz over a KL/Lebron pairing (PG is less desirable tbh) ... but As i told deeps if we end up just watching the kids grow another year I am chill with that tbh.
Lonzo has some good traits but he is the most shaky of our prospects heck, I even like Josh hart.

A lot of guys can put up numbers on a bad team. Lakers were a bad team. I can't think the Spurs are much interested in what LA has. Maybe LA can trade some of those players for pieces the Spurs would want. Who knows? But I doubt the Spurs trade Kawhi anytime soon.

[Killakobe81]

A lot of guys can put up numbers on a bad team. Lakers were a bad team. I can't think the Spurs are much interested in what LA has. Maybe LA can trade some of those players for pieces the Spurs would want. Who knows? But I doubt the Spurs trade Kawhi anytime soon.

Not saying what spurs should do (outside of insisting on Tatum)
But I do find it funny that the world class development Spur fan talks about with say picks 12 and 13 couldnt do similar benefits to KUz/Ingram or even Lonzo.
Leaving Lvar out of it isnt what Lonzo needs more than anything is Chip to fix his shot and Pop to put a foot in his ass?

[rasuo214]

So wait, Kawhi ran from NY and had to be chased down by Pop in San Diego? I don't get how this was the plan all along when the same reputable guys reporting the San Diego meet were reporting the NY one.

Kawhi usually spends the off-season in San Diego and that is where they met last year as well. A lot of the reports seem like speculation because they constantly contradict themselves. Also has anyone other than ESPN reported it as LA or bust? I don't trust ESPN's motive, they're the ones that have pushed the Kawhi to LA narrative the hardest.

[cd98]

Not saying what spurs should do (outside of insisting on Tatum)
But I do find it funny that the world class development Spur fan talks about with say picks 12 and 13 couldnt do similar benefits to KUz/Ingram or even Lonzo.
Leaving Lvar out of it isnt what Lonzo needs more than anything is Chip to fix his shot and Pop to put a foot in his ass?

I don't think the Spurs like what either the Clippers or the Lakers have to offer. Sure you want assets, but if Kawhi walks, the Spurs at least have cap space to use as bait to get more first round picks in the future. Trading for players you don't like makes little to no sense. Plus, it also stops the Lakers from building a super team. Lots of ways this could get handled, but I'm guessing a Lakers trade is on the bottom of the list and I'm sure Pop is telling them just that.

[baseline bum]

Draft picks and young prospects like Tatum, Ingram Jackson are not expensive.

Is Ingram worth $25 to $30 million a year? Because that's what he's going to cost in two years. What's the point of renting a B-level prospect and developing him for two years only to get stuck either maxing him or letting him walk? I feel the same about Jaylen Brown. If a player like that is a throw in who can complement a real star like Tatum that's a different beast. Then you do have to pay to build a winning team. But to get in cap hell over B level talent and you're still a lottery team? No dice, it's not any better than just losing Kawhi for nothing.

[baseline bum]

Not saying what spurs should do (outside of insisting on Tatum)
But I do find it funny that the world class development Spur fan talks about with say picks 12 and 13 couldnt do similar benefits to KUz/Ingram or even Lonzo.
Leaving Lvar out of it isnt what Lonzo needs more than anything is Chip to fix his shot and Pop to put a foot in his ass?

You can't leave Lavar out of the equation. If he wasn't there I'd love the chance to add Lonzo Ball but it's a package deal and Lavar is pure cancer like this team hasn't seen since the days of Rodman throwing WCF games.

[Killakobe81]

Is Ingram worth $25 to $30 million a year? Because that's what he's going to cost in two years. What's the point of renting a B-level prospect and developing him for two years only to get stuck either maxing him or letting him walk? I feel the same about Jaylen Brown. If a player like that is a throw in who can complement a real star like Tatum that's a different beast. Then you do have to pay to build a winning team. But to get in cap hell over B level talent and you're still a lottery team? No dice, it's not any better than just losing Kawhi for nothing.

Not sure. he is worth that. So far I say no. I think he could break out this year but if we go superfriends it probably wont be with us even if he stays. Besides his build my only concern with Ingram he has played better with the ball in his hands cuz he is actually a good play-maker. but to be worth that he would need to be able to play on and off ball.

Not sure why he must get $25-$30 million. if he proves worth that, sure. I would have never paid that to Porter, Parsons etc. at least Ingram can play defense and still has upside.
And I still dont get letting KL walk for nothing even two years or Jaylen/Ingram is better than nada ...you lose me there. Assets can be flipped. Jaylen and Ingram still have value just not KL value, I get that part.

[Killakobe81]

BTW so far on NBA stage Jaylen has been better than Ingram ... I freely admit that.
I just think in two years Ingram will be better and that eCF showing near the end was disappointing.

One thing I do like about Jaylen kid is uber smart. Not saying Ingram is dumb, but I can see Jaylen doing well as just a normal college student heading to the workforce. I can't lie ... I like that about him.

[Mugen]

You can't leave Lavar out of the equation. If he wasn't there I'd love the chance to add Lonzo Ball but it's a package deal and Lavar is pure cancer like this team hasn't seen since the days of Rodman throwing WCF games.

:lol Seriously, what a retarded thing to say. Leave LaVar out of the equation?

You know what, Hitler wasn't too bad of a guy if you left the Holocaust out of the equation.

[objective]

Leaving Lvar out of it isnt what Lonzo needs more than anything is Chip to fix his shot and Pop to put a foot in his ass?

Lonzo is already damaged goods. Kawhi's favorite doctors walked Lonzo right back on the court, leading a 20 year old to get freaking PRP injections.

He missed half a year and is already getting treatments like a 35 year old Kobe.

Those are real injuries with real therapeutic treatments, not the fake shit Kawhi has to stay in New York to let some vampire stooge foam roll his quad for 10 minutes 3 times a week.

[baseline bum]

Not sure why he must get $25-$30 million. if he proves worth that, sure. I would have never paid that to Porter, Parsons etc. at least Ingram can play defense and still has upside.


Market value for that level of prospect coming off a rookie deal is a 25% max deal. The cap for 2019-20 is estimated at $108 million, so the cap for 2020-21 when Ingram/Brown would be due their payday would be somewhere from $108 million to maybe $116 million. So a 25% max deal starts at somewhere from $27 million to $29 million. I'm not paying that kind of money for B level prospects unless I have an A-level player like Tatum who is going to be leading me into deep playoff runs.



And I still dont get let timng him walk for nothing even two years or Jaylen/Ingram is better than nada ...you lose me there. Assets can be flipped. Kjaylen and Ingram still have value just not KL value, I get that part.

Because why do you want to waste two years developing a player you're not going to want to retain? I want an A-level talent or a really high pick with someone the Spurs love still available, so the Lakers can use Ingram/Ball/Kuzma's value to get that in a three way deal if they want Kawhi. Then one of Ingram or Kuzma could be a throw in.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=437QBSDbITY

[mo7888]

I don't think so anymore.

He could have played hardball without quitting on the season and faking how bad he was hurt. Too injured to sit on a bench but not too hurt to be bored at a Dodgers game.

He could have easily dropped the trade demand if he didn't get the SuperMax after the season. People leverage without quitting and running. Kobe leveraged in the parking lot of a fast food joint on video to get his way, he didn't sit out a whole damn year and hide. Shaq had surgery on company time and yelled at the owner, but he didn't quit and go home the last 4 months.


Market value for that level of prospect coming off a rookie deal is a 25% max deal. The cap for 2019-20 is estimated at $108 million, so the cap for 2020-21 when Ingram/Brown would be due their payday would be somewhere from $108 million to maybe $116 million. So a 25% max deal starts at somewhere from $27 million to $29 million. I'm not paying that kind of money for B level prospects unless I have an A-level player like Tatum who is going to be leading me into deep playoff runs.



Because why do you want to waste two years developing a player you're not going to want to retain? I want an A-level talent or a really high pick with someone the Spurs love still available, so the Lakers can use Ingram/Ball/Kuzma's value to get that in a three way deal if they want Kawhi. Then one of Ingram or Kuzma could be a throw in.

If 25-30 is really market value and we don't think he's worth it then trade him because of thsts really market value plenty of teams will pay it and give up assets. A couple side notes: I do think he has a real chance to be worth that. He's not there now but, the only two young prospects that we've been discussing that I like better are Tatum and Jackson. Also, if I could get Ingram and Ball +25 and send ball to Phoenix for Jackson is consider that at least as good as a Boston package that only featured Tatum.

[Killakobe81]

Market value for that level of prospect coming off a rookie deal is a 25% max deal. The cap for 2019-20 is estimated at $108 million, so the cap for 2020-21 when Ingram/Brown would be due their payday would be somewhere from $108 million to maybe $116 million. So a 25% max deal starts at somewhere from $27 million to $29 million. I'm not paying that kind of money for B level prospects unless I have an A-level player like Tatum who is going to be leading me into deep playoff runs.



Because why do you want to waste two years developing a player you're not going to want to retain? I want an A-level talent or a really high pick with someone the Spurs love still available, so the Lakers can use Ingram/Ball/Kuzma's value to get that in a three way deal if they want Kawhi. Then one of Ingram or Kuzma could be a throw in.

that part of what you are saying makes sense.
And I would say I dont see either as A level by that definition more B (jaylen) or maybe B+ (ingram) but we dont know that for sure yet on either.
As much as i like Tatum he to me is more A- than a A liek simmons or an A+ like durant/Unibrow was coming out of college.

[SpursDynasty85]

Not sure why you guys are hating on Kuz.
But I definitely agree that Deng is trash.

Hey if you like that deal, god bless sons.
Unless you plan to keep and extend Harris you basically trading KL for two first rounders.
none that are top 10.

Philly deal and potential Phx deals are better but doesnt matter to me. I Wanna keep ingram anyways and I like Kuz not as much but I think he can a high level 6th man or 4th/5th starter on a verry good team.. I see alot of Robert Horry in his game less defense but more offense.

I like Kuzmas game and body but seeing his spat with Lonzo and his love for the spotlight, not sure if Spurs would consider him over players they feel fit their character model.

[DPG21920]

If SA is going to get Ingram and send Kawhi to LA they have to get MEM involved and get that #4 pick.

I’m hoping it’s PHX or PHI though since BOS doesn’t seem ready to make a legit deal.

[rjv]

A lot of guys can put up numbers on a bad team. Lakers were a bad team. I can't think the Spurs are much interested in what LA has. Maybe LA can trade some of those players for pieces the Spurs would want. Who knows? But I doubt the Spurs trade Kawhi anytime soon.

reminds me of some of the terrible spurs teams of the past. i remember that when i was in grade school, the spurs had a terrible team with willie anderson on it. he was averaging almost 24.0 ppg and everyone thought he had all-star potential. it turns out he was just a solid role player.

[rjv]

If SA is going to get Ingram and send Kawhi to LA they have to get MEM involved and get that #4 pick.

I’m hoping it’s PHX or PHI though since BOS doesn’t seem ready to make a legit deal.

exactly. the only way spurs should even consider sending leonard to LA is if they get a third team involved and can get back a lottery pick.

[LkrFan]

You can't leave Lavar out of the equation. If he wasn't there I'd love the chance to add Lonzo Ball but it's a package deal and Lavar is pure cancer like this team hasn't seen since the days of Rodman throwing WCF games.

This is precisely why I wanted no parts of Lonzo Ball. After they drafted him anyway, I was forced to endure torture from you farmers downstairs ever since :lol

[Killakobe81]

If SA is going to get Ingram and send Kawhi to LA they have to get MEM involved and get that #4 pick.

I’m hoping it’s PHX or PHI though since BOS doesn’t seem ready to make a legit deal.

I think that is best for all involved.
I think Lonzo has value still but obviously his dad dampens it.
No matter if he stay or goes if Lebron and or KL or even PG goes to LAkers Zo immediately eats at the spotlight on Ball.
Kuzma was already doing that anyways.
Only laker fans and objective Spurfans will get how much Lakernation loves Kuz. yes we chanted Luke and he was only a role player but Kuz is "hollywood" and never seems nervous.

I would say of the three young prospects: true hoopers prefer Ingram. Those that love pacing pace and "hype" prefer Lonzo. But most of the fans especially casuals and the famales actually would prefer we keep Kuz.
Kuz is no Manu and probably never will be ... but Kuz has that type of love building in SOCAL. I saw the same for Manu when I lived in SA. Tony had a lot of female fans too but Manu probably had the most Pink jerseys that I saw when lived in SA ...
IF kuz stays it will be the same way ...

[Vito Corleone]

Kry has turned into a Cancer, just get rid of him and move on. I'd send him to the clippers just to give an FU to the Lakers.

[baseline bum]

that part of what you are saying makes sense.
And I would say I dont see either as A level by that definition more B (jaylen) or maybe B+ (ingram) but we dont know that for sure yet on either.
As much as i like Tatum he to me is more A- than a A liek simmons or an A+ like durant/Unibrow was coming out of college.

Yeah it's hard to know if Tatum is quite A level based on small sample size, but I lean closer to A than to B based on him putting up slightly above average efficiency numbers, which is pretty impressive IMO when you factor in the gulf of talent difference between Division 1 NCAA and the NBA. Both Ingram and Brown are below average NBA players by their efficiency ratings and that's after two years. They were both complete shit players by efficiency in their rookie years. I also think Brown is a slightly better prospect since he's healthier and since he wasn't putting up empty numbers on a lottery team the way Ingram was.

[baseline bum]

If 25-30 is really market value and we don't think he's worth it then trade him because of thsts really market value plenty of teams will pay it and give up assets. A couple side notes: I do think he has a real chance to be worth that. He's not there now but, the only two young prospects that we've been discussing that I like better are Tatum and Jackson. Also, if I could get Ingram and Ball +25 and send ball to Phoenix for Jackson is consider that at least as good as a Boston package that only featured Tatum.

Players like Kuzma/Ingram will likely never have more trade value than they have right now. So if you want to trade them do it now by making the Lakers use those assets to get the Spurs something they really want in a three way trade. I also don't think Ingram + Jackson is anywhere near as good as Tatum + filler. A star player is easily worth way more than a couple of competent starters.

[Vito Corleone]

Honestly, there isn't a single player on the Lakers Roster I would take. Ball is as much a cancer as Kry is. I'm disappointed that Kry turned out to be the guy he is, he seemed better than this.

[SPURt]

This might be the all time worst a star on Kawhi’s level has acted towards a team and it’s fanbase. Just pathetic.

[mo7888]

Players like Kuzma/Ingram will likely never have more trade value than they have right now. So if you want to trade them do it now by making the Lakers use those assets to get the Spurs something they really want in a three way trade. I also don't think Ingram + Jackson is anywhere near as good as Tatum + filler. A star player is easily worth way more than a couple of competent starters.

If the market in 2 years is 25-30M then, by definition, that is more value than he has now (ingram). I don't know if his market will be that but, using the assumption you out for regarding that number then that's real value.

[baseline bum]

If the market in 2 years is 25-30M then, by definition, that is more value than he has now (ingram). I don't know if his market will be that but, using the assumption you out for regarding that number then that's real value.

How are they going to have more trade value when due a big payday the next season than they will now while being cheap for two more seasons? That makes no sense.

[BSfromTX]

If Kawhi is demanding LA, then he stands to lose a ton of money if he says he will bolt in FA, right? Even if the Spurs low balled him at say 190M, that is still roughly 50M more than what he could get in FA, right? Not to mention risking injury all that time.

Does he really want to play in LA THAT BAD and give up that much money? Or is he just that confident that Spurs will deal him ASAP?

[baseline bum]

that part of what you are saying makes sense.
And I would say I dont see either as A level by that definition more B (jaylen) or maybe B+ (ingram) but we dont know that for sure yet on either.
As much as i like Tatum he to me is more A- than a A liek simmons or an A+ like durant/Unibrow was coming out of college.

Also Ben Simmons is A+ IMO. He's the most impressive rookie I have seen since Davis or LeBron.

[exstatic]

If Kawhi is demanding LA, then he stands to lose a ton of money if he says he will bolt in FA, right? Even if the Spurs low balled him at say 190M, that is still roughly 50M more than what he could get in FA, right? Not to mention risking injury all that time.

Does he really want to play in LA THAT BAD and give up that much money? Or is he just that confident that Spurs will deal him ASAP?

He's trying to force a trade, and then force another trade to LA before the deadline, netting him full Bird rights to re-sign with the Lakers, 5/$179M. If we simply hold onto him, LA has to gut their roster, Ball, Kuzma, Deng, Ingram, Hart next summer to offer him 4/$139M. If you square up on Pop, prepare to get punched. Costing him that $40M makes up for him stealing $19M with his fugazi injury last year.

[mo7888]

How are they going to have more trade value when due a big payday the next season than they will now while being cheap for two more seasons? That makes no sense.

Because, in your scenario, the play they have exhibited on the court warrants a $25-$30M salary.

[Chillen]

Spurs may have to take the Lakers package because now Kawhi is saying if traded he will sign with Lakers in 2019. That hurts his value right there, no team is going to give up anything significant for a 1 year rental of Kawhi. Lakers don't even have to trade for Kawhi, he already said he will sign there in 2019.

Spurs either take the best trade offer or let him play out his contract and walk and they get nothing.

[baseline bum]

He's trying to force a trade, and then force another trade to LA before the deadline, netting him full Bird rights to re-sign with the Lakers, 5/$179M. If we simply hold onto him, LA has to gut their roster, Ball, Kuzma, Deng, Ingram, Hart next summer to offer him 4/$139M. If you square up on Pop, prepare to get punched. Costing him that $40M makes up for him stealing $19M with his fugazi injury last year.

The Lakers would actually only be able to offer 4 years, $130 million on a $108 million cap when factoring in ten cap holds for the ten empty roster spots under twelve at $889k each, assuming the sign James to a 35% max deal and PG13 to a 30% max deal this summer. They also have to salary dump their first round pick next season. So you're costing him $49 million.

[daslicer]

Spurs may have to take the Lakers package because now Kawhi is saying if traded he will sign with Lakers in 2019. That hurts his value right there, no team is going to give up anything significant for a 1 year rental of Kawhi. Lakers don't even have to trade for Kawhi, he already said he will sign there in 2019.

Spurs either take the best trade offer or let him play out his contract and walk and they get nothing.

Spurs are not going to get any good value for him with his demands to be in LA but they can still trade him to some random team for scrubs. I live in Charlotte and know Michael Jordan would be more than willing to take him for a 1 year rental. I would be down with sending him to Charlotte and having him suffer playing for Jordan for 1 year.

[cd98]

All these garbage trades for Kawhi...this is karma for crapping on Indiana for the Hill trade way back when.

[baseline bum]

Because, in your scenario, the play they have exhibited on the court warrants a $25-$30M salary.

Just like Evan Turner's play warranted him making $16 million when the cap was only $84 million? Market value greatly overrates the value of B-level and even C-level players (while greatly undervaluing A-level talent) thanks to how the CBA is structured.

[baseline bum]

All these garbage trades for Kawhi...this is karma for crapping on Indiana for the Hill trade way back when.

Still worth it, got a title and another Finals trip out of it.

[Ibleedslvrnblk]

Spurs should not just take anything. Let him sit out a year. Let's see how good that does for him. Media will love that shit. Choosing to cry and not play. They will eat him up...

[mo7888]

Just like Evan Turner's play warranted him making $16 million when the cap was only $84 million? Market value greatly overrates the value of B-level and even C-level players (while greatly undervaluing A-level talent) thanks to how the CBA is structured.

To greatly overpay like Turner an organization has to make a mistake, that's why teams have bad contracts on their books (mozgov,deng,Parsons etc). I don't think we give out ling term bad contracts. So if his market value isn't 25M we wouldn't offer that and if it is he'd be worth keeping at that price, in addition if he was worth that and didn't fit here then we could trade him locked up on a long contract to a team for commensurate value. The only key factor is what he'll really be worth in two years.

[BSfromTX]

The Lakers would actually only be able to offer 4 years, $130 million on a $108 million cap when factoring in ten cap holds for the ten empty roster spots under twelve at $889k each, assuming the sign James to a 35% max deal and PG13 to a 30% max deal this summer. They also have to salary dump their first round pick next season. So you're costing him $49 million.

Right, so what in the world is his camp thinking? They really think Spurs will do him a solid and trade him to LA? Do they not realize how much money stands to be lost, or do they just want to be in LA that bad?

Bat shit crazy!

Not only will he be losing money, but he will end up throwing away two years of his prime going through all of this and risking injury before he's able to sign another contract. They really didn't think this through before they decided to drag the organization through the mud.

[picnroll]

Hope Pop lets Leonard know the closest he’ll get to the Olympics is a TV next to uncle Denny.

[coachmac87]

If Lakers want to make a deal for Kawhi and include create super team with LeBron etc.. they must get a 3rd team involved either that’s Phoenix,Sac, Atlanta or Memphis..

Getting Doncic IMO should be the Spurs goal..Force the Lakers to help you get a top pick by trading Ball, Ingram, Kuzma to assist getting that pick.

That’s the only way I move Kawhi to LA..

[exstatic]

Spurs may have to take the Lakers package because now Kawhi is saying if traded he will sign with Lakers in 2019. That hurts his value right there, no team is going to give up anything significant for a 1 year rental of Kawhi. Lakers don't even have to trade for Kawhi, he already said he will sign there in 2019.

Spurs either take the best trade offer or let him play out his contract and walk and they get nothing.

...and Kawhi loses $49M dollars. See baseline's post on this page. If we're not getting shit, let him not get shit, either.

[BackHome]

One question that has not been answered did he give a list of teams he wanted to go to or did he just say only LA? I know ESPN is preaching the LA thing but they worse then CNN fake news crap.

[bluebellmaniac]

Right, so what in the world is his camp thinking? They really think Spurs will do him a solid and trade him to LA? Do they not realize how much money stands to be lost, or do they just want to be in LA that bad?

Bat shit crazy!

Not only will he be losing money, but he will end up throwing away two years of his prime going through all of this and risking injury before he's able to sign another contract. They really didn't think this through before they decided to drag the organization through the mud.

These aren't professional agents Spurs are dealing with. This is Kawhi's uncle. Who knows who has been whispering in his ear, helping to create this drama. When you are not trained for this, you make huge mistakes along the way.

[BatManu20]

Lame

[TimDunkem]

Spurs should not just take anything. Let him sit out a year. Let's see how good that does for him. Media will love that shit. Choosing to cry and not play. They will eat him up...

Spurs will be worse off if they can't at least nab some picks with a Kawhi trade and build through the draft. Free agents are not signing here.

And before you point to LMA in 2015, just remember that LMA joining Kawhi/Duncan/37yo Manu/TP is a little more appealing than joining LMA/Murray/post blown quad TP/Forbes and the Fathead Brothers.

[Holden_Caulfield]

this shit needs to be over by tomorrow night. cant do this shit until next season.

[K...]

The league should step in to force, say the grizzlies to Grease the trade by offering to fix the lottery for them. There Lakers got their high picks but fucked it up to where they don't have assets to trade for even a Max disgruntled star. The league wants the super team so make it happen silver or watch this shit fester another six months. They don't owe the Spurs much, but they have to keep up appearances so other players don't get the idea to destroy their value to get to their team of choice.








Now that I think about it. This is exactly like Mitch mconnell and judge gorsuch. Using a false pretense to get your desired choice

[nickbroken]

Sit him, we've had a good run. If we trade him to the Lakers it sets a precedent. Being a bitch shouldn't let you get your way, the Spurs are fucked regardless.

[Dex]

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[acoelho1]

The sky was supposed to be falling for Utah when they lost Hayward for nothing and it took 1 draft to completely change their outlook for the future. I think you tell Kawhi that they are not trading him and he will have to play out the year. They can assess how the rest of the summer goes in terms of the relationship and maybe Kawhi would have a change of heart. A lot can happen in a year and you can always re-evaluate around the trade deadline in Feb.

Another benefit is that I'm sure Kawhi doesn't want to go through another year with the Spurs so he may be inclined to open up his list of teams. If not, we lose him for nothing and let him make even less money having to sign as a free agent.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

The sky was supposed to be falling for Utah when they lost Hayward for nothing and it took 1 draft to completely change their outlook for the future. I think you tell Kawhi that they are not trading him and he will have to play out the year. They can assess how the rest of the summer goes in terms of the relationship and maybe Kawhi would have a change of heart. A lot can happen in a year and you can always re-evaluate around the trade deadline in Feb.

Another benefit is that I'm sure Kawhi doesn't want to go through another year with the Spurs so he may be inclined to open up his list of teams. If not, we lose him for nothing and let him make even less money having to sign as a free agent.

I agree with this. Do not reward his behavior unless you can absolutely fleece somebody in the trade. Short of that, make this traitor fulfill his contract and ruin his future.

[exstatic]

this shit needs to be over by tomorrow night. cant do this shit until next season.

Uncle Dennis is counting on Pop being as impatient and frustrated as you are. He'll be disappointed. Think of the battle between Obi Wan and Darth Maul, the parts being played by Pop and Uncle Dennis. What happened when they went into those force field boxes? Obi Wan literally sat down and turned his back on his taunting opponent, breathing and meditating and awaiting the opening of the force field. That's Pop.

I can see this being done tomorrow night during the draft. I can also see Kawhi being kept past the trade deadline, and sent away from the team, costing him an additional $49M. People think all the pressure is on the Spurs, but his camp has pressure to produce the $$$. As the trade deadline gets closer and closer, they may geek and agree to other teams, rather than see more money slip away. If not? Bye, Felicia.

[Killakobe81]

Also Ben Simmons is A+ IMO. He's the most impressive rookie I have seen since Davis or LeBron.

if hw had a shot I would agree he is soo reluctant to shoot even LeBron had more confidence in his j straight out of HS. davis too even though he is a big ...

[Mugen]

Uncle Dennis is counting on Pop being as impatient and frustrated as you are. He'll be disappointed. Think of the battle between Obi Wan and Darth Maul, the parts being played by Pop and Uncle Dennis. What happened when they went into those force field boxes? Obi Wan literally sat down and turned his back on his taunting opponent, breathing and meditating and awaiting the opening of the force field. That's Pop.

I can see this being done tomorrow night during the draft. I can also see Kawhi being kept past the trade deadline, and sent away from the team, costing him an additional $49M. People think all the pressure is on the Spurs, but his camp has pressure to produce the $$$. As the trade deadline gets closer and closer, they may geek and agree to other teams, rather than see more money slip away. If not? Bye, Felicia.

That was Qui-Gon nigga.

[RD2191]

That was Qui-Gon nigga.

:lol it's hilarious that you know this

[exstatic]

That was Qui-Gon nigga.

Went and re-watched the clip. You're right. Pop is still Obi Wan, and Uncle Dennis is going to be bisected and kicked into the well, just like Maul. He's over his head.

[Mugen]

:lol it's hilarious that you know this

Qui-Gon was out there busting his ass off while Ob-Wan was on the sidelines because of a sore quad tbh.

[RD2191]

Qui-Gon was out there busting his ass off while Ob-Wan was on the sidelines because of a sore quad tbh.

:lmao

[DPG21920]

At the end of the day I want Ingram and Josh Jackson and some picks when all the dust settles. Or a ton of picks.

If it’s Clippers then or whomever get Mem involved for 4th pick.

[coachmac87]

At the end of the day I want Ingram and Josh Jackson and some picks when all the dust settles. Or a ton of picks.

If it’s Clippers then or whomever get Mem involved for 4th pick.

I’d take that but It seems like Doncic won’t get past the Hawks

[Mugen]

I'd still prefer Brown + Kings '19 Pick over Ingram and Josh Jackson tbh.

[Venti Quattro]

I just came back for this :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

I'm not even sure he's coming to LA but fucking god damn it feels so good to see the Spurs getting knocked off their perch

Thank you based Zaza

[Floyd Pacquiao]

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Get ready for Lou Williams spurs fans!

[RD2191]

Get ready for Lou Williams spurs fans!

:lobt2:

[Holden_Caulfield]

Get ready for Lou Williams spurs fans!
lou is that nigga though. can we trade patty for lou.

[BatManu20]

Get ready for Lou Williams spurs fans!


Kawhi & Patty to LAC for Harris, picks 12 & 13, and a future 1st would probably be the best we could get tbh. Think Jerry West is too smart to take on Patty’s contract though.

[JPB]

I just came back for this :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

I'm not even sure he's coming to LA but fucking god damn it feels so good to see the Spurs getting knocked off their perch

Thank you based Zaza


Hey look another insecure emotetards who needs not one, not two... 5 freaking emotes to mask his mind emptiness.

You see son, that's how you spot a frustrated NBA fan who's been living in the abyss of mediocrity for so long.

[Spurs9]

Kawhi & Patty to LAC for Harris, picks 12 & 13, and a future 1st would probably be the best we could get tbh. Think Jerry Westcis too smart to take on Patty’s contract though.

I’m good with that tbh, loaded draft Michael Porter could slip to the 12 too.

[baseline bum]

Uncle Dennis is counting on Pop being as impatient and frustrated as you are. He'll be disappointed. Think of the battle between Obi Wan and Darth Maul, the parts being played by Pop and Uncle Dennis. What happened when they went into those force field boxes? Obi Wan literally sat down and turned his back on his taunting opponent, breathing and meditating and awaiting the opening of the force field. That's Pop.

I can see this being done tomorrow night during the draft. I can also see Kawhi being kept past the trade deadline, and sent away from the team, costing him an additional $49M. People think all the pressure is on the Spurs, but his camp has pressure to produce the $$$. As the trade deadline gets closer and closer, they may geek and agree to other teams, rather than see more money slip away. If not? Bye, Felicia.

Another good thing is by not trading with the Lakers they cannot just stretch Deng then to create room to sign James + PG13, unless they think Kawhi would be willing to chop another $7.36 million off his base salary. That would be an enormous pay cut, you'd be talking about the Lakers only being able to offer 4 years, $98.8 million next summer if they have Deng's stretched contract still counting against the cap. So obviously the Lakers would have to salary dump Ball or Ingram in July, because Kawhi isn't taking an $80 million short.