Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[spursistan]

It's kind of surreal how it really wasn't that long ago that he seemed like the perfect no drama loyal franchise star.

Just goes to show that if you're an autist you really need to get yourself the right tard wrangler.
I don't think the league has ever seen a more dramatic revelation/twist in a narrative about a star player than throughout this Kawhi saga..

This shit still incomprehensible even for the major people involved in it (Pop, RC)..I don't think they ever saw this Kawhi faggotry and near-betrayal coming.

[dabom]

I'm not gonna dig on the guy. Sucks he wasn't a Doctor.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Jabari Young is such a mouth piece lmao. "Kawhi calls his own shots" as if uncle Dennis didn't tell Young that.

[HarlemHeat37]

Jabari's taking a calculated shot at this IMO..

There's no future in being a Spurs reporter or beat writer, why would he want to spend his life doing that? Even as a general NBA reporter or writer, he wouldn't stand out in any way..

However, if Kawhi does go to the Lakers, his brand and popularity will go through the roof, despite his lack of charisma and personality..it's a smart risk for Jabari's career..

Obviously it isn't like LeBron, a man who literally alters the economy of an entire city, but a star on the Lakers making them relevant for the first time in like 5 years would create a number of new jobs IMO..

[dabom]

Hes done Harlem. Taking a shot at all Spurs fan in his Twitter and basically calling out the Spurs for not signing CoJo. :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

Hes done Harlem. Taking a shot at all Spurs fan in his Twitter and basically calling out the Spurs for not signing CoJo. :lol

He's definitely done with the Spurs, nobody within the organization will ever trust him again, but that's the risk he took..

Worst-case for him is if Kawhi and Pop somehow work it out:lol

[dabom]

Hes never been enthused about talking about Spurs in general ever. Hes never been a fan and shouldn't be covering the Spurs. I had that feeling years ago about him. And hes showing me I was right. Just happy he wont be a Spurs reporter after this offseason.

[Maddog]

I think you are on to something.
I'm trying to think of an analogous situation but can't. So much of this makes no sense.

1. To some extent the Spurs have made kawhi. They worked on his shot. Forced him to become more assertive game wise and shielded him from the media. They also worked with regarding other injuries. Tendinitis in the other knee ( see ringer article).
He is set to leave millions on the table and if he joins one of the LA teams will probably be years away from being competitive. Sure, I think the Spurs may not have handled this perfectly and are no lock to be title contenders, but this is strange.

[Lostwingman]

On the one hand, I want Kawhi to ditch his joke advisor and agent and resign for NO more than max.

On the other, bring on Doncic!

[coachmac87]

I consider myself professional troll.

You do you boo

[daslicer]

Jabari's taking a calculated shot at this IMO..

There's no future in being a Spurs reporter or beat writer, why would he want to spend his life doing that? Even as a general NBA reporter or writer, he wouldn't stand out in any way..

However, if Kawhi does go to the Lakers, his brand and popularity will go through the roof, despite his lack of charisma and personality..it's a smart risk for Jabari's career..

Obviously it isn't like LeBron, a man who literally alters the economy of an entire city, but a star on the Lakers making them relevant for the first time in like 5 years would create a number of new jobs IMO..

He's definitely auditioning for the national spot light. In this video he looks super desperate for a new job.

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[dabom]

He's definitely auditioning for the national spot light. In this video he looks super desperate for a new job.

SgIl8IwoSvk

Dude sounded more like a Laker Insider than Spurs Insider. :lmao

And like we want any dumb bullshit from the Lakers. :lmao

[toki9]

He's definitely done with the Spurs, nobody within the organization will ever trust him again, but that's the risk he took..

Worst-case for him is if Kawhi and Pop somehow work it out:lol

How about if Kawhi is sent to Sacto somehow? Or the Raptors?

[dbestpro]

Interestingly, the Suns have indicated an interest in Leonard that starts with the number one pick in the draft, and includes a few players.

[Clipper Nation]

You're both shit at what ya do. :lmao
:wow

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Hes never been enthused about talking about Spurs in general ever. Hes never been a fan and shouldn't be covering the Spurs. I had that feeling years ago about him. And hes showing me I was right. Just happy he wont be a Spurs reporter after this offseason.

He’s like the anti Jeff MacDonald :lol

[Clipper Nation]

62. No just spare time. But i do hold several degrees in medicine and physiology. Thanks for the inquiry
https://i.imgur.com/RbD7FI8.gif

[DMC]

Mills is one of the best backup point guards in the league and has played while being underpaid for a few years.
Kyle has developed into one of the best swing men defenders in the league.
TP suffered a career ending injury, in which he returned from, one year out of his deserving contract.
Gasol was the biggest question mark decision and they should have not re upped him for the extra year and let his contract expire.
Green fell off while still on a contract. He sign that contract when he was one of the best 3&D guys in the league.
Spurs got one of the best post big men in the league and got him extended while players like Milsap & Griffin got huge paydays.

All in all, the spurs biggest mistake was not addressing the need for a dependable guard. It's not exactly the Spurs fault that Parker declined rapidly then suffered the career ender. It's not the Spurs fault that Green forgot how to shoot at the same time, when he was one of the deadliest in the league. That just happens.

It is the Spurs fault not developing another guard. Clearly that is White and not Forbes or Paul.

It's the Spurs' fault for standing pat in areas like PG and not putting stars around Kawhi. These "developing into" guys don't work will with superstars trying to win a title.

Milsap and Griffin... I don't want the Spurs to be like those teams. Do you?

TP has been falling off for 5 years at least. His career ending injury didn't even prevent the Spurs from beating Houston, he was so far removed from "mattering". But there he is.

The Spurs fans suffer from small town syndrome: which means they want the same guys every year to watch them develop. That's ok but then don't expect to win rings or keep a superstar who isn't in a stand pat mood.

[FkLA]

Jabari's taking a calculated shot at this IMO..

There's no future in being a Spurs reporter or beat writer, why would he want to spend his life doing that? Even as a general NBA reporter or writer, he wouldn't stand out in any way..

However, if Kawhi does go to the Lakers, his brand and popularity will go through the roof, despite his lack of charisma and personality..it's a smart risk for Jabari's career..

Obviously it isn't like LeBron, a man who literally alters the economy of an entire city, but a star on the Lakers making them relevant for the first time in like 5 years would create a number of new jobs IMO..

Doesn't Windhorst make like 6 figures now?

[coachmac87]

Doesn't Windhorst make like 6 figures now?

6??? You mean 7??

[ducks]

Interestingly, the Suns have indicated an interest in Leonard that starts with the number one pick in the draft, and includes a few players.

[FkLA]

6??? You mean 7??

Really? Jesus f'ing christ.

[dabom]

Doesn't Windhorst make like 6 figures now?

His scale sure does.

[HarlemHeat37]

Doesn't Windhorst make like 6 figures now?

I'd guess somewhere around 300-500k per year IMO..

Wilbon and Kornheiser make around 1 mil/year, ESPN's biggest star(Stephen A) is like 2-4 IIRC, so I assume Windhorst doesn't make anywhere near as much as them, but still a nice lifestyle..

That fat man planned his career out very well, can't hate..he has about 5 more years before he no longer has any value, though, so I hope he's stacking..

[weebo]

I wouldn't put it past PATFO to have started this whole thing themselves. Maybe they know Kawhi is damaged goods and would rather just sell a lemon to the highest bidder. The Spurs avoid the albatross contract while getting young and talented pieces for a guy that's about to go Bandon Roy. CIA Pop.:toast

[tim_duncan_fan]

I wouldn't put it past PATFO to have started this whole thing themselves. Maybe they know Kawhi is damaged goods and would rather just sell a lemon to the highest bidder. The Spurs avoid the albatross contract while getting young and talented pieces for a guy that's about to go Bandon Roy. CIA Pop.:toast

They aren't going to get much though because teams can get him as a free agent next year.

[K...]

They aren't going to get much though because teams can get him as a free agent next year.

No only one can. It's a risky route to miss a top 5 talent if you are not the lakers. Think of cp3 and durant. Both those guys went to teams that had wink wink deals set up. Team's know if they have such deals in place. If you don't you make an offer for the right to offer the higher salary. It's a tough choice but the offer of a trade is risk free up to the actual trade time.

[SupremeGuy]

Is Pop's shtick running out of gas?

There'll be no DRob or Timmy walking through those doors, LMA wanted out (he's still here) and KL is leaving. I think stars know (but won't say it publicly yet) that the Spurs organization isn't willing to do what it takes to build around a guy they publicly call their face of the franchise. I think LMA and KL were sold the same line, that the Spurs will build around them yet there sits 50m dollar Patty Mills, fathead and wornout TP along with a few "who the fuck" guys and soon to retire Manu. To have Manu as basically the best player on the team is telling.His new shtick is talking out of his ass about politics. The entire organization started a downward spiral when he started focusing more on stuff outside of basketball.

[BackHome]

People say Kawhi has all the power I just don’t buy it. If we don’t offer him a contract or trade him he goes into next year with just one year under contract. Can he sit out a whole year I don't think so and if he does play and gets a major injury he is fucked.

As far as trades the internet is on fire lots of pressure from fans and owners will be applied to GM’s to make something happen. I am actually stocked to see what our team is going to look like it’s time for major change. This is the time to let Tony and Green go and get rid of all these G League players Joffrey, Forbes, Paul.

[look_at_g_shred]

David Griffin said none of this means anything until he sits down and looks pop and rc in the eye and says he wants out.

[Atl Spur]

David Griffin said none of this means anything until he sits down and looks pop and rc in the eye and says he wants out.

This. I remember 2011 they where saying Tony Parker trade speculation actually saw George Hill being traded....... let’s just wait and see what’s next.

[dbestpro]

They aren't going to get much though because teams can get him as a free agent next year.

Correction. Only one team can get him as a free agent next year, and the team he is with at the end of this year has the best chance at keeping him.

[cjw]

His scale sure does.

While Jabari may have used this ploy to get onto the national sports radar to be the next Windhorst, Windhorst is praying somehow this all gets resolved and Lebron joins Kawhi in San Antonio so he can move there and stuff himself with Whataburger, TexMex, Churros and BBQ.

[RD2191]

While Jabari may have used this ploy to get onto the national sports radar to be the next Windhorst, Windhorst is praying somehow this all gets resolved and Lebron joins Kawhi in San Antonio so he can move there and stuff himself with Whataburger, TexMex, Churros and BBQ.

Windhorst will die eating if he comes to San Antonio :lol

[marinoman]

Jabari said on nbatv kawhi got the quad injury playing for the spurs. Thats bs right? He just injured himself during his summer workouts, took 19 million, his camp denied rifts and all that shit, then right before a sitdown demands a trade? Maybe this just is a ploy to get the supermax but maybe he still doesn’t feel right and never will.

[Jeremy]

Interestingly, the Suns have indicated an interest in Leonard that starts with the number one pick in the draft, and includes a few players.

:lol Not going to happen.

[DMC]

His new shtick is talking out of his ass about politics. The entire organization started a downward spiral when he started focusing more on stuff outside of basketball.

The downward spiral coincided with the departure of Tim Duncan and the subsequent long term injuries of Kawhi Leonard and Tony Parker. Cause vs correlation is in play.

[look_at_g_shred]

So basically there’s this article posted on ESPN saying that Kawhi hasn’t changed as a person through this whole process, it’s the people who are speaking for him. So yeah the more I’m thinking about it, it’s more his people causing this whole shit show.

[offset formation]

Yes, Jabari, I am a fan of the team. I'm in my 40s and became a Spurs fan way before Kawhi was born. Of course, I am also a fan of the players, but they come and go. I would like Kawhi and PATFO to figure this shit out, but if not and he's traded, so be it. I'll still be a Spurs fan.

Fucking idiot.

[offset formation]

So basically there’s this article posted on ESPN saying that Kawhi hasn’t changed as a person through this whole process, it’s the people who are speaking for him. So yeah the more I’m thinking about it, it’s more his people causing this whole shit show.

Who are the sources for that claim? Spurs folks or Kawhi folks. Would almost have to be Spurs sources? And if so, that's a very damning comment about the origin of all this mess. It says, without saying it, that Kawhi is being led astray by people without his best interest at front and center.

[toki9]

Jabari said on nbatv kawhi got the quad injury playing for the spurs. Thats bs right? He just injured himself during his summer workouts, took 19 million, his camp denied rifts and all that shit, then right before a sitdown demands a trade? Maybe this just is a ploy to get the supermax but maybe he still doesn’t feel right and never will.

He's really going all in on this Kawhi-gravy train. Wow. I believe the injury in its current iteration surfaced over the summer. His sister mentioned on Instagram that he was fine when he went to China for his marketing tour. What Jabari might be talking about is Kawhi's camp's contention that this is an old injury that was never properly diagnosed/healed. Here is the relevant passage from the infamous ESPN article:

"Leonard's camp believes his condition is the result of a series of contusions to the quadriceps that began with one very deep bruise in March 2016 that caused him to miss three games. Leonard was again listed with a "quad contusion" on the Feb. 6, 2017, injury report, when he was a late scratch before a game. But it wasn't until the end of last season when the severity of the injury became apparent.According to multiple sources, Leonard's camp has come to believe the issue has more to do with an ossification, or hardening, in the area where the muscle has been repeatedly bruised, and then an atrophy, which in turn affected the tendons connecting the muscle to the knee.

The Spurs have always called the injury quadriceps tendinopathy, which is a disease of the tendon that has a degenerative effect on the muscle by keeping it in a constant state of exhaustion."

[cd021]

Once you factor in cap holds they'd have to shed roughly $3 million in salary to open up a max slot for Paul George after signing LeBron to a max deal, with their only players under contract being Deng, Ball, Ingram, Kuzma, and Hart. They have team options they'd have to decline on everyone else on the roster. If they're going for CP3 after signing LeBron they'd need to shed about $8 million in salary.

If they decline all options, they'd have $34.5 million committed to Hart, Kuzma, Deng, Ingrim and Lonzo. Roster charges for 8 open spots are $830k a pop= $6.64 million

that would give them $ 104.9 million. That's a long-winded way of saying you are right :lol


I expect them to offer up Deng+ Lonzo and a couple of future first's to Cleveland for Lebron if he decides to head to L.A. It would give the Lakers $81.1 million (with PG-13 already factored in) so they could use the other $20 million on one player or probably on two other players. I would think bringing back Isiah Thomas and going after Dedmon would be smart moves at PG and C and they probably wouldn't even take up all $20 million.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Correction. Only one team can get him as a free agent next year, and the team he is with at the end of this year has the best chance at keeping him.

Not if he doesn't want to be there. Which is why the teams would want a commitment before giving up any real value.

We're not gonna get anything major for just the opportunity at a small chance of keeping him beyond next year.

[ace3g]

Could this be the possible face to face meeting?

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[Ron Swanson]

Dude, that's how he always looks.

[marinoman]

Could this be the possible face to face meeting?

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Thanx for posting

Cobra Kai, never dies

[SupremeGuy]

The downward spiral coincided with the departure of Tim Duncan and the subsequent long term injuries of Kawhi Leonard and Tony Parker. Cause vs correlation is in play.Both are right, tbh. Probably knew he'd be exposed, and started his bullshit.

The only way we regain any power in this situation is if we give him the supermax though, right? Then we can trade him to whoever is willing to give us the best package.

[Play Boban]

Photoshop.

[SupremeGuy]

Could this be the possible face to face meeting?

1008176171434106886Didn't actually expect them to meet. Beyond that, on a one on one. They both look how they normally look, tbh.

[spursistan]

Could this be the possible face to face meeting?

1008176171434106886

If Pop doesn't win him over after this meeting; nobody will. It would mean the guy is a lost cause and it is better to just let go.

[SupremeGuy]

Can that socialist bitch not drink for one fucking meeting?

[offset formation]

When Kawhi is traded on Thursday night, will Young go too? He can go be Windhorst 2.0 for another team.

Lol. Ask him that question on Twitter and see how well it goes over. He blocked me about 3 or 4 months ago when I suggested he follow Kawhi wherever we trade him. He is a giant tool.

[marinoman]

Either kawhis entourage went to the bathroom at the same time, like bitches do, or pop actually got his 1 on 1 meeting

[dabom]

Can that socialist bitch not drink for one fucking meeting?

Chill bro. :lol

[ace3g]

As others have said, if this picture is real/current - people shouldn't read too much into Kawhi's expressions.

[SupremeGuy]

Chill bro. :lolIt's just the future of the franchise, but fuck it let's have some wine. Smh. These drunk niggas running the Spurs to the ground.

[look_at_g_shred]

Looks like pop gots full control of this one tbh

[xtremesteven33]

Good photo :tu

Whatever Kawhi decides I support him. Lifelong spurs fans should not be upset. Spurs dropped the ball if he doesn't wanna play here anymore. Can't be mad at a man who wants to chose his life destiny.

[marinoman]

Time to get back to talking about lebron to spurs lol

[dabom]

Pops looks like he lost some weight. Im not too sure. This Photo isn't over on reddit. Usually news like this would blow up over there.

[SupremeGuy]

Good photo :tu

Whatever Kawhi decides I support him. Lifelong spurs fans should not be upset. Spurs dropped the ball if he doesn't wanna play here anymore. Can't be mad at a man who wants to chose his life destiny.The team basically made him what he is today, so fuck that bullshit.

[xtremesteven33]

I'm of the belief and always have been that Kawhi doesn't like playing with certain teammates. Time to let the old guards go and get Kawhi legit help.

[look_at_g_shred]

As others have said, if this picture is real/current - people shouldn't read too much into Kawhi's expressions.
Idk why it wouldn’t be current tbh...the timing and everything. When else
would pop and Kawhi be face to face like this? Especially when it has been reported that the face to face meeting hasn’t happened?

[ace3g]

Idk why it wouldn’t be current tbh...the timing and everything. When else
would pop and Kawhi be face to face like this? Especially when it has been reported that the face to face meeting hasn’t happened?

Someone could have a random photo of Pop/Kawhi sighting from the past (no timestamp on photo) that they are posting now to try and stir the pot. I think it is current, just always have to be cautious with these type of things.

[ace3g]

Try to reverse image searh what restaurant this is from in NY.

[toki9]

Someone could have a random photo of Pop/Kawhi sighting from the past (no timestamp on photo) that they are posting now to try and stir the pot. I think it is current, just always have to be cautious with these type of things.

There is a photo of Pop on Reddit, back in San Antonio, supposedly from last night. If both that pic and this pic of Pop and Kawhi are genuine, then this meal couldn't have been later than lunch in NYC. Which could mean that this meal may have precipitated the Jabari Young press release, i.e., Pop probably indicated to Kawhi that supermax was not on the table at the moment.

[Ron Swanson]

No results on tineye or GIS, so it hasn't been posted elsewhere that I have been able to find so far.

[objective]

why on earth would they not be in a private room or a more secluded booth?

[Play Boban]

Good photo :tu

Whatever Kawhi decides I support him. Lifelong spurs fans should not be upset. Spurs dropped the ball if he doesn't wanna play here anymore. Can't be mad at a man who wants to chose his life destiny.
Playerfan

[Play Boban]

No results on tineye or GIS, so it hasn't been posted elsewhere that I have been able to find so far.cgi deep fake

[ace3g]

By the way found this photo randomly through the power of tweetdeck and hashtag searches (sometimes takes you deep down the rabbit hole).

[toki9]

By the way found this photo randomly through the power of tweetdeck and hashtag searches (sometimes takes you deep down the rabbit hole).

Very impressive. :bobo

[dabom]

Could be some old photo that was never posted and is now posted for kicks.

[toki9]

Could be some old photo that was never posted and is now posted for kicks.

Yep. There's that, too. But, again, if it's genuine, this may explain the sudden demand for trade...and the response from the Spurs that Kawhi haven't asked for a trade. Probably Pop told him that there was a lot of work to be done, and that it'd be premature to talk supermax, perhaps even tabling it until after next season. Kawhi's camp isn't happy about the conversation, so unleash all those "leaks" to Jabari and get the ball rolling. In the meantime, the team is caught offguard, and Kawhi's camp digs in and demands that all future meeting with Pop and Kawhi include the uncle/agent since everything will be negotiation from that point on.

Then again, all these pics could be fakes.

[objective]

Anyways, here's the real deal

Never trade a top 3 player. You lose every deal. Even when the Magic let Shaq walk, trading him to LA wouldn't have helped. They'd have gotten back Elden Campbell or some other crap and still be ringless.

I would consider a trade for Doncic only because I enjoy watching him play and that he's so young. He might one day be a top 10 player. Kawhi can be #1 if he plays again like he's capable of and Lebron slips a little more.

Other than that, the media war of leaks vs leaks is a losing one for the Spurs. Next will be the Spurs leaking that they won't trade him, then Camp Kawhi leaking that he might sit out. It's all a waste of time.

Just get to the point. Leak that the Spurs care about his health more than anything and the Spurs will have him sit out the next season to get healthy.

Take that next bit of leverage away from Camp Kawhi and play that card first. And it shouldn't be a bluff either.

Not getting traded to LA for the next season will cost Camp Kawhi MILLIONS in endorsement money, and because he's the only client for those parasites, they will feel it, badly. Even if Kawhi is allowed to play in a Spurs uniform next year that gives them everything they need to line up endorsements when everyone remembers how good he is.

After he's held out for next year, it will take him months to get top of the line endorsement money. His lifetime earnings with the contract and the endorsement money will have been slashed by 10s of millions. Make it cost.

And that's it.

If Kawhi had come correct and been upfront about how unhappy he was with the roster or whatever, or being homesick, or whatever fake reason his vultures give him, and just played instead of quitting, the Spurs could have accommodated him. They don't keep guys from their money. They let Simmons out of his QO when they easily could have forced him to play. Same with Corey Joseph. They even helped Derek Anderson get more money in a trade when he shat all over the franchise on his way out.

But I say screw it. I don't even mind paying Kawhi the supermax, it's an easy call. Top 10 franchise players are worth it, and if he doesn't last, then it'll help the eventual tank anyway. Getting a player as good as him is too damn hard to trade him away.

But after he's screwed the franchise over like this at the order of vultures, I say burn them all. If he turns down a deal, sit him out.

[MoSpur02]

Not sure I believe that pic is real and if real, how recent is it. I think it is real. Pop looks like he lost weight, which could be because of the loss of his wife.

[spursistan]

https://i.redditmedia.com/j4g60js0nMkA6xNO5r-GfsdjpDkoisrLe75cA_Cj-Q8.jpg?
https://www.reddit.com/r/NBASpurs/comments/8rkeum/pop_back_in_sa_no_meeting/

[MaNu4Tres]

Not sure I believe that pic is real and if real, how recent is it. I think it is real. Pop looks like he lost weight, which could be because of the loss of his wife.

It's a real pic.

And its recent.

Pop is already back in San Antonio though so this had to be from the past week or two.

[ace3g]

Now I am doing any combination of Roberto Benigni + painting + restaurant

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df3iXXMUwAAeeJN.jpg:large

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/92/12/36/921236b5d1037827197a6b176dbea54d.jpg

[Ron Swanson]

ace3g right now:

https://i.imgur.com/UaLpJOK.jpg

[ace3g]

ace3g right now:

https://i.imgur.com/UaLpJOK.jpg

Pretty much, lol

[ace3g]

The user who posted the photo is based out of Parkland, FL - Kawhi was seen at a Florida Chipotle. This photo could have been taken from a Florida restaurant.

[cd021]

Either kawhis entourage went to the bathroom at the same time, like bitches do, or pop actually got his 1 on 1 meeting
:lol savage

[LakerHater]

Heard somebody in his group not happy with whts goin on & wants to go back to cali that he turned to the media & started all this!

[toki9]

Looks like Jabari is asking the user about the picture.

[DMC]

It's just the future of the franchise, but fuck it let's have some wine. Smh. These drunk niggas running the Spurs to the ground.

It's a job for both of them. It's not their lives. Neither of them ever needs to work again.

[Ron Swanson]

Jabari will block him by the end of the night.

[DMC]

Now I am doing any combination of Roberto Benigni + painting + restaurant

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df3iXXMUwAAeeJN.jpg:large

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/92/12/36/921236b5d1037827197a6b176dbea54d.jpg

Should have told me. I can reference just about anything.

[ace3g]

Someone online found where the potraits came from - they were auctioned off for a charity:

https://www.charityauctionstoday.com/auctions/friendsofscottandbarbusa-3016

[marinoman]

ace3g right now:

https://i.imgur.com/UaLpJOK.jpg
lmfao

[ace3g]

My reading comprehension is bad sometimes , lol , from previous auction link:

We are excited to partner with the modern Sicilian dining restaurant, Barbusa, in a fundraising effort to benefit our organization. Barbusa is auctioning off seven of their portrait "Faces" artwork.


Interior photos of Barbusa

https://img2.10bestmedia.com/Images/Photos/334893/p-LZBarbInteriors-1_54_990x660.JPG

[Ron Swanson]

That's in San Diego, so unless there was some super secret meeting that nobody knew about until now, that meeting did not happen recently.

[FvckMavs]

My reading comprehension is bad sometimes , lol , from previous auction link:

We are excited to partner with the modern Sicilian dining restaurant, Barbusa, in a fundraising effort to benefit our organization. Barbusa is auctioning off seven of their portrait "Faces" artwork.


Interior photos of Barbusa

https://img2.10bestmedia.com/Images/Photos/334893/p-LZBarbInteriors-1_54_990x660.JPG


:toast。 Is it in San Diego?

[marinoman]

:toast。 Is it in San Diego?
Yea, and I’m doing my own Twitter shit, found ace3g, whatup Casey

[objective]

My reading comprehension is bad sometimes , lol , from previous auction link:

We are excited to partner with the modern Sicilian dining restaurant, Barbusa, in a fundraising effort to benefit our organization. Barbusa is auctioning off seven of their portrait "Faces" artwork.


Interior photos of Barbusa

https://img2.10bestmedia.com/Images/Photos/334893/p-LZBarbInteriors-1_54_990x660.JPG


Looks like the auctions for all the paintings were closed by October 30th 2017. Are people buying paintings and just leaving them in restaurants now? Generous.

[toki9]

It's just amazing what you can dig up online.

[DMC]

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[marinoman]

This vincent guy just decided to troll for attention, a new yorker living in parkland Florida posting a pic of a meeting at a restaurant in San Diego, dick

[daslicer]

This vincent guy just decided to troll for attention, a new yorker posting a pic of a meeting at a restaurant in San Diego, dick

I had a good feeling that the pic was not recent.

[ace3g]

Looks like the auctions for all the paintings were closed by October 30th 2017. Are people buying paintings and just leaving them in restaurants now? Generous.

Yeah was thinking the same thing when I saw the winning bid dates. Hopefully the Pop/Kawhi photo isn't from 2017, lol.

[toki9]

Ah, that's a shame...

[marinoman]

I should’ve known something was up when i saw he lives in parkland Florida....fuckin crisis actors

[Kori Ellis]

Yeah was thinking the same thing when I saw the winning bid dates. Hopefully the Pop/Kawhi photo isn't from 2017, lol.

This picture is from the restaurant in February 2018 and the same paintings that were supposedly sold in the October auction are still on the wall. https://www.facebook.com/barbusasd/photos/a.238012603204578.1073741828.220076034998235/583484865324015/?type=3&theater

and this is from April 2018 https://www.facebook.com/barbusasd/photos/a.238012603204578.1073741828.220076034998235/618294838509684/?type=3&theater

So, the Kawhi pic could still be recent because it looks like the auction winners left the paintings in the restaurant.

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I should’ve known something was up when i saw he lives in parkland Florida....fuckin crisis actors

MAGAt.

[Kori Ellis]

Now, I found two more pictures of the restaurant in 2018, including this one: https://s3-media1.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/t9KQy3Fyu3r6hHD8PWIhdQ/o.jpg
and as you can see, the paintings on the wall are different. So, I think the Kawhi picture is old :(

[joeyjfive]

Yeah twitter folk already figured it out. It’s an old pic, too lazy to grab proof sorry folks.

[ace3g]

Now, I found two more pictures of the restaurant in 2018, including this one: https://s3-media1.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/t9KQy3Fyu3r6hHD8PWIhdQ/o.jpg
and as you can see, the paintings on the wall are different. So, I think the Kawhi picture is old :(

Does seem that way...

Looks like someone took the photo in 2017 - felt like now was the best time to post it considering the Kawhi news.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8rpf60/comment/e0t5jcz/?st=JIIHULFS&sh=2be9df4f

[cd021]

Man dudes out 'chere trying to get a Pulitzer for investigative journalism over whether a pic of Kawhi and Pop talking at a restaurant is recent or not. :lol

[Kori Ellis]

Does seem that way...

Looks like someone took the photo in 2017 - felt like now was the best time to post it considering the Kawhi news.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8rpf60/comment/e0t5jcz/?st=JIIHULFS&sh=2be9df4f

Yeah, I just saw that.

[Jules_Winnfield]

https://s33.postimg.cc/x3z48ez1r/fgbbfnftnf.jpg


https://www.instagram.com/p/BWfsbc9BSFt/?hl=en&taken-by=barbusasd


OLD PIC

[ace3g]

yep from July 2017

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWfsbc9BSFt/?taken-by=barbusasd

[toki9]

yep from July 2017

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWfsbc9BSFt/?taken-by=barbusasd

Well, had me going there...I'm way too gullible for the interwebs...

[objective]

Looking forward to Jabari's next exclusive:

"Sources tell me that Pop and Kawhi met in an italian restaurant in New York City in the last two days, and Kawhi looked very unhappy. Sources believe the trade demand was made then to Pop. I can't believe so many dumb fans like the front of the jersey and don't worship the players and the reporters. Don't @ Me."

[Em-City]

Looking forward to Jabari's next exclusive:

"Sources tell me that Pop and Kawhi met in an italian restaurant in New York City in the last two days, and Kawhi looked very unhappy. Sources believe the trade demand was made then to Pop. I can't believe so many dumb fans like the front of the jersey and don't worship the players and the reporters. Don't @ Me."

:lol

[Slippy]

Both are right, tbh. Probably knew he'd be exposed, and started his bullshit.

The only way we regain any power in this situation is if we give him the supermax though, right? Then we can trade him to whoever is willing to give us the best package.

Kawhis group will aim for a sign and trade to maximize his earning potential & make up for the supermax loss. Only spurs can give it to him. Spurs still have some sort of leverage. Earning through endorsement talk i don't buy because theres always a risk he wont be healthy in the future. Uncle wants house money in set contracts first.

[nym]

A lot of people like to blame PATFO for not being able to bring superstars to play with Kawhi. But Kawhi is part of the reason for the lack of free agents coming to San Antonio. Players want to build superteams and/or play with their friends. What superstars or hell any players in general are close friends with Kawhi? Serious question.

Jonathon Simmons used to talk about him and Kawhi speaking & being cool off court so that's one. But did Kawhi do what other superstars do and go to bat for him last summer? Has Kawhi ever had a talk with PATFO and say he's unhappy with the direction of the team, his future, the pieces around him, anything? Tim was consulted on roster moves has Kawhi said he wants that same pull and have a say on the types of players he wants to play with? Yea he deferred to Timmy, Manu, & Tony but Pop told him to stop doing that and BE A LEADER. He's a great player and been the best Spur for a while now but if doesn't have the locker room on his side what kind of #1 is he?

Most players half joking say they have never even heard him speak. Even his poor man's Windhorst, Jabari Young, has noted that Kawhi stays to himself is only about his family and people who been with him since the pre NBA days. All the Kawhi fans need to acknowledge is part in all this. If he had a problem and never said anything to PATFO how the hell were they supposed to fix it. If he said nothing when theny were treating him like he was Duncan 2.0 and gave him room to grow into the leader he needed to be yet he chose to not have a conversation with Pop or Ime or hell anybody than he is largely to blame for this mess.

However, Kawhi doesn't shoulder all the blame. Pop & co do need to acknowledge than the good old days are gone. Players now arent like the Timmys of yesteryear. They will say they want to win and be coached by a GOAT but what they really want is stats, individual accolades, & their ego stroked. If they win a ring in the process great if not they want those year end awards a shot at being an Allstar and getting paid. Times have changed and they need to adjust or become extinct.

TL;DR: both sides fucked up and anyone trying to blame one side over the other is obviously showing their bias.

[r0drig0lac]

It's just the future of the franchise, but fuck it let's have some wine. Smh. These drunk niggas running the Spurs to the ground.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif

[spursparker9]

Looking forward to Jabari's next exclusive:

"Sources tell me that Pop and Kawhi met in an italian restaurant in New York City in the last two days, and Kawhi looked very unhappy. Sources believe the trade demand was made then to Pop. I can't believe so many dumb fans like the front of the jersey and don't worship the players and the reporters. Don't @ Me."

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/lol1.gif

[cjw]

You don’t trade Kawhi unless you have a chance to pick in the top 2-3 of the draft, or get back a guy you think can become a top 10 player in the league who is 1-2 years in the league as anything more = about to get expensive. The supermax is crippling, but so is overpaying mediocre players.

Kawhi stands to lose out by not taking the supermax and he will not sign an extension with a new team after a trade because of how much the cap has skyrocketed and how much it would cost him. This could impact his trade value. But you know what impacts his possible monetary earnings? Moping around next year and playing <70 games. He has to realize the Spurs hold all the good cards here ... for now.

[cutewizard]

This is actually CIA Pop at his finest

1. Dangle the idea of a supermax and repaired relationship if Kawhi camp can show he's healthy, or play healthy, then get the offer.
2. Kawhi's camp leaks that he's almost 100...96 or 97% to be exact. Lol.
3. Squash his dreams by telling him that they aren't going to offer him the max, in part due to his antics, and in part to better the teams chances of landing Lebron.
4. Now after already acknowledging that he was healthy, he cannot pull an oh, I need surgery load of BS, without letting the whole league know he's a selfish whiner.
5. Own his ass, and expect health, for one more year. Or trade a self-acknowledged healthy player, there by garnering max trade value.

6. Fuckin Pop.

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:bobo

[Spurs9]

So its obviously been reported that he wants to go to LA. With the draft on Thursday, most likely all the trade discussions involved revolve around high picks in the draft with certain teams. It keeps getting brought up that if Kawhi doesn't agree to sign then teams aren't going to want to give up as much. Why does Kawhi want LA exactly just for the market? If he gets traded he would have to be gone in the next week, BEFORE free agency. The Lakers would have to give up some of the top prospects they have to get him. So Kawhi would be committing to sign with them before knowing what players they could even get? Lebron and PG may not even end up on the Lakers, and if so then what? Its going to be the Kawhi Ball duo? Theres about the same risk with any other team with that 1 year deal.

[Drom John]

When was the last time Pop traded a player to a Western Conference team? 10 years? 20? never?

There aren't many Spurs trades, however 6 of the last 13 have been to Western Conference teams.

Last 13, stopping at Scola mentioned by another poster.

Diaw to Utah July 8, 2016.

[Splitter to Hawks 2015]

[3 trades to EC in 2013/14, De Colo the biggest name]

T.J. Ford, Richard Jefferson and [Festus Ezeli] to Warriors March 15, 2012

[Hill to Indianapolis 2011]

[Ratliff to Charlotte 2010]

[Bowen, Oberto & Thomas to Milwaukee 2009]

Dragic to Suns 2008

Barry, Elson & [Beaubois] to Seattle 2008

Udrih to Minnesota 2007

Bulter & Scola to Houston 2007

[BillMc]

Looking forward to Jabari's next exclusive:

"Sources tell me that Pop and Kawhi met in an italian restaurant in New York City in the last two days, and Kawhi looked very unhappy. Sources believe the trade demand was made then to Pop. I can't believe so many dumb fans like the front of the jersey and don't worship the players and the reporters. Don't @ Me."
:lmao

[DPG21920]

To all the people talking about “SA should have put more around” or “they needed to get Kawhi more talent” or “look at this Pau/Mills contracts” please stop.

SA landed one of the biggest FA scoops of the past 5 years, whether it worked out fully or not. They put a team around Kahwi that got to a Western Conference Finals. That same team damn near won 50 games without him this season even though they were in shock at what was going on with Kawhi. They beat HOU in HOU in the playoffs without Kawhi being there to get to a WCF.

Yes, they gave Pau/Mills bad deals, but HOU gave Ryan Anderson a worse one. Plenty of good teams have done that but unlike SA, they haven’t continued to win and don’t have a better path to flexibility or youth as SA.

Also, I find it really hypocritical that people bash SA not trying to put “more” around Kawhi but also bash things like the Pau deal. The Pau deal is a direct result of them taking their shot to land another huge star. So because it didn’t work out and they had to make a deal with Pau to even have the chance, we will disparage them?

Makes no sense. SA without high picks has landed other good talent starting with a legit all-star in LMA to pair with Kawhi. They took some swings at adding more while also rebuilding on the fly with youth (Murray, White, Kyle, Bertans). They got Rudy Gay, kept Danny Green and did many other great things while giving the team a shot at GS if some things broke their way all the while not being in salary cap hell like CLE whether they lose their star or not.

Even HOU is in an awful spot and they got just as far as SA has and SA as CURRENTLY constructed with a healthy and engaged Kawhi would have beat this HOU team that might not even get to stay together and HOU has no picks or youth to show for it either.

[lmbebo]

Add in, some of this falls on Kwahi's shoulders too. Harden recruited paul to Houston. Draymond recruited Durant to GS ... Kwahi hasn't done that... he complains about not getting other etlite players around him. What has he done to make this happen? Its not like the Spurs have refused to pay players.

[FkLA]

To all the people talking about “SA should have put more around” or “they needed to get Kawhi more talent” or “look at this Pau/Mills contracts” please stop.

SA landed one of the biggest FA scoops of the past 5 years, whether it worked out fully or not. They put a team around Kahwi that got to a Western Conference Finals. That same team damn near won 50 games without him this season even though they were in shock at what was going on with Kawhi. They beat HOU in HOU in the playoffs without Kawhi being there to get to a WCF.

Yes, they gave Pau/Mills bad deals, but HOU gave Ryan Anderson a worse one. Plenty of good teams have done that but unlike SA, they haven’t continued to win and don’t have a better path to flexibility or youth as SA.

Also, I find it really hypocritical that people bash SA not trying to put “more” around Kawhi but also bash things like the Pau deal. The Pau deal is a direct result of them taking their shot to land another huge star. So because it didn’t work out and they had to make a deal with Pau to even have the chance, we will disparage them?

Makes no sense. SA without high picks has landed other good talent starting with a legit all-star in LMA to pair with Kawhi. They took some swings at adding more while also rebuilding on the fly with youth (Murray, White, Kyle, Bertans). They got Rudy Gay, kept Danny Green and did many other great things while giving the team a shot at GS if some things broke their way all the while not being in salary cap hell like CLE whether they lose their star or not.

Even HOU is in an awful spot and they got just as far as SA has and SA as CURRENTLY constructed with a healthy and engaged Kawhi would have beat this HOU team that might not even get to stay together and HOU has no picks or youth to show for it either.

Great post. :tu

[FkLA]

Add in, some of this falls on Kwahi's shoulders too. Harden recruited paul to Houston. Draymond recruited Durant to GS ... Kwahi hasn't done that... he complains about not getting other etlite players around him. What has he done to make this happen? Its not like the Spurs have refused to pay players.

I don't think Kawhi or even his group have said anything bad about the supporting cast. Mostly it's been fans, usually ones that constantly lash out at PATFO anyway.

[raybies]

Surprised JeffGSpursZone didn’t run with the story already...

[tenbeersbold]

Meh,Kawhai will be back next year unless Suns offer #1
Which won't happen due to bad blood.
If not,Spurs won 47 games with a 20 million dollar hole in the roster,not hard to imagine a few more wins with that 20 mil being actually on the court producing lol

[tenbeersbold]

:lol white supremacists never miss an opportunity..

Uneducated morons never miss a chance to show it lmfao
Harlem,shittiest part of a shitty city,you go girl

[bklynspursfan]

To all the people talking about “SA should have put more around” or “they needed to get Kawhi more talent” or “look at this Pau/Mills contracts” please stop.

SA landed one of the biggest FA scoops of the past 5 years, whether it worked out fully or not. They put a team around Kahwi that got to a Western Conference Finals. That same team damn near won 50 games without him this season even though they were in shock at what was going on with Kawhi. They beat HOU in HOU in the playoffs without Kawhi being there to get to a WCF.

Yes, they gave Pau/Mills bad deals, but HOU gave Ryan Anderson a worse one. Plenty of good teams have done that but unlike SA, they haven’t continued to win and don’t have a better path to flexibility or youth as SA.

Also, I find it really hypocritical that people bash SA not trying to put “more” around Kawhi but also bash things like the Pau deal. The Pau deal is a direct result of them taking their shot to land another huge star. So because it didn’t work out and they had to make a deal with Pau to even have the chance, we will disparage them?

Makes no sense. SA without high picks has landed other good talent starting with a legit all-star in LMA to pair with Kawhi. They took some swings at adding more while also rebuilding on the fly with youth (Murray, White, Kyle, Bertans). They got Rudy Gay, kept Danny Green and did many other great things while giving the team a shot at GS if some things broke their way all the while not being in salary cap hell like CLE whether they lose their star or not.

Even HOU is in an awful spot and they got just as far as SA has and SA as CURRENTLY constructed with a healthy and engaged Kawhi would have beat this HOU team that might not even get to stay together and HOU has no picks or youth to show for it either.

+1

[cd021]

ESPN reporting Brown, Rozier, Marcus Morris plus a draft pick is still available. That would be awesome. We still have leeway to go after free agents this summer while rebuilding and staying competitive. Sending him West doesn't make sense. Sending him East gives it a better chance he stays East which is what the Spurs really want. Not drama 4x a year and early in playoffs.

man, that's an underwhelming trade. PATFO better be sticking Ainge up for the 2019 Memphis pick too.

Even if Philly offers up Fultz, Saric, Bayless( i'd hold out for Covington though), 10th pick, plus our choice of Bolden, Parsecniks, or the 26th pick- I think that is a better offer than Brown, Rozier, Marcus Morris plus the Sacramento 2019 1st (probably ends up being in the range of 4-8).

[r0drig0lac]

To all the people talking about “SA should have put more around” or “they needed to get Kawhi more talent” or “look at this Pau/Mills contracts” please stop.

SA landed one of the biggest FA scoops of the past 5 years, whether it worked out fully or not. They put a team around Kahwi that got to a Western Conference Finals. That same team damn near won 50 games without him this season even though they were in shock at what was going on with Kawhi. They beat HOU in HOU in the playoffs without Kawhi being there to get to a WCF.


- these contracts were horrible (especially that of Gasol), that's a fact.

- if you really believe we have a good cast (I respect but disagree) then when Kawhi is traded and we have some talent in that trade, we should be favorites in the west (right below gsw), right?

[cd98]

- these contracts were horrible (especially that of Gasol), that's a fact.

- if you really believe we have a good cast (I respect but disagree) then when Kawhi is traded and we have some talent in that trade, we should be favorites in the west (right below gsw), right?

Actually wrong. You never get equal value when you trade a superstar and even with Kawhi they would not have beat GSW, even if they had a 20 point lead in one game of a best of 7 series.

[r0drig0lac]

Actually wrong. You never get equal value when you trade a superstar and even with Kawhi they would not have beat GSW, even if they had a 20 point lead in one game of a best of 7 series.

in the post that I replied, it was said that the Spurs needed Kawhi's situation solved, to be much better, and we were good enough to win without Kawhi (we'll disagree as to why the Spurs won almost 50 games), so adding some talent to that "great roster" should be good enough to be better than any team in the west not called golden state warriors

[Russ]

Yes, they gave Pau/Mills bad deals, but HOU gave Ryan Anderson a worse one. Plenty of good teams have done that but unlike SA, they haven’t continued to win and don’t have a better path to flexibility or youth as SA.



Spurs fans are very provincial and myopic in their view of "bad contracts" by the Spurs.

No credible NBA pundits think the Spurs have "bad deals" -- quite the opposite, the Spurs are considered bargain-hunters.

Take the time to look around the league -- 80-90% of NBA teams (even really good ones) have much worse contracts than Mills or Gasol. You could list them, team by team, contract by contract.

In fact, we are spoiled by a long line of bargain contracts that helped win titles and raise the expectations of Spurs fans -- the Spurs are prisoners of their own success.

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Kawhis group will aim for a sign and trade to maximize his earning potential & make up for the supermax loss. Only spurs can give it to him. Spurs still have some sort of leverage. Earning through endorsement talk i don't buy because theres always a risk he wont be healthy in the future. Uncle wants house money in set contracts first.

I'd never give into his uncle on that and do a sign and trade. They didn't earn that shit. Not with this year, at least.

How would that benefit the Spurs? Only way is if he'll also agree to play out the contract wherever he was sent so Spurs could get better assets.

I'm of the opinion that the only place you do that is for the #1 or #2 pick. Otherwise, he can fuck all the way off.

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Spurs fans are very provincial and myopic in their view of "bad contracts" by the Spurs.

No credible NBA pundits think the Spurs have "bad deals" -- quite the opposite, the Spurs are considered bargain-hunters.

Take the time to look around the league -- 80-90% of NBA teams (even really good ones) have much worse contracts than Mills or Gasol. You could list them, team by team, contract by contract.

In fact, we are spoiled by a long line of bargain contracts that helped win titles and raise the expectations of Spurs fans -- the Spurs are prisoners of their own success.

Yep. I wouldn't even put Mills in the bad contract range. And there are 2 contracts where we got player loyalty concessions for every time we gave one out.

Pau and Tony and Manu all prolly got more than they should have--Pau for sure. But none of that prevented a ring. Tony earned it. So did Manu for that one year. And Pau's contract is only one year from taking the bulk of the money away. He's serviceable as a backup for one more year.

How many other times did we get a bargain though?

Timmy, perhaps twice. Manu for most of his career. Green. West. Bowen. Diaw. And on and on and on.

[cd98]

in the post that I replied, it was said that the Spurs needed Kawhi's situation solved, to be much better, and we were good enough to win without Kawhi (we'll disagree as to why the Spurs won almost 50 games), so adding some talent to that "great roster" should be good enough to be better than any team in the west not called golden state warriors

Spurs can improve on last years team bc it was no Kawhi and no replacement. They could feasibly get Kyrie, Morris, Brown, and a pick. That’s enough to get 50+ wins, but not beat GSW.

[cd021]

Spurs can improve on last years team bc it was no Kawhi and no replacement. They could feasibly get Kyrie, Morris, Brown, and a pick. That’s enough to get 50+ wins, but not beat GSW.

Why would they want Kyrie when Boston is reportedly concerned that he is going to bolt to N.Y? He is already on a 50+ win team and in a large market but wants to bolt to an even bigger one. Spurs would be back at square one with him, not to mention Kawhi is a better player than him.

Spurs would be better off with Morris, Brown, Rozier, the Sacramento pick plus, hopefully, the Grizzlies pick.

Let Boston figure out how to configure Kyrie, Tatum Kawhi, Hayward, and Horford.

[Gordy58]

Why would they want Kyrie when Boston is reportedly concerned that he is going to bolt to N.Y? He is already on a 50+ win team and in a large market but wants to bolt to an even bigger one. Spurs would be back at square one with him, not to mention Kawhi is a better player than him.

Spurs would be better off with Morris, Brown, Rozier, the Sacramento pick plus, hopefully, the Grizzlies pick.

Let Boston figure out how to configure Kyrie, Tatum Kawhi, Hayward, and Horford.
didn’t kyrie have interest in San Antonio before? The spurs just didn’t have assets to trade for him, I remember reading SA was one of his preferred destinations

[toki9]

Spurs fans are very provincial and myopic in their view of "bad contracts" by the Spurs.

No credible NBA pundits think the Spurs have "bad deals" -- quite the opposite, the Spurs are considered bargain-hunters.

Take the time to look around the league -- 80-90% of NBA teams (even really good ones) have much worse contracts than Mills or Gasol. You could list them, team by team, contract by contract.

In fact, we are spoiled by a long line of bargain contracts that helped win titles and raise the expectations of Spurs fans -- the Spurs are prisoners of their own success.

Going into Mills free agency, a lot of people he'd really get paid. Here is ESPN projection of Patty's market value as of May 23, 2017 ( http://www.espnsa.com/patty-mills-earn-next-contract/ ): "Patty Mills’ market value works out to be roughly $18.6 million per season. This doesn’t necessarily mean San Antonio will offer him a contract, and may let him go in free agency. Tony Parker is ageing, and they may opt to move for a big name point guard. Based on this contract he would be taking up approximately 16-17% of the cap, which is not outrageous for a 6th man."

Instead, he signed for 4/$50MM, for average of $12.5MM. The contract may seem to be an overpay in hindsight (because of his lowered numbers this year and because the free agent market was softer than expected), but it really was not an egregiously bad deal going in.

[r0drig0lac]

https://www.expressnews.com/sports/columnists/mike_finger/article/As-Kawhi-looks-elsewhere-a-bubble-bursts-13000826.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social

[cd021]

didn’t kyrie have interest in San Antonio before? The spurs just didn’t have assets to trade for him, I remember reading SA was one of his preferred destinations
That was before last season, Kyrie apparently is interested in going to the Knicks after next season. Aldridge and Jaylen Brown probably aren't going to keep him in S.A past next year so the Spurs wanting him doesn't make sense.

[Trueblood]

To all the people talking about “SA should have put more around” or “they needed to get Kawhi more talent” or “look at this Pau/Mills contracts” please stop.

SA landed one of the biggest FA scoops of the past 5 years, whether it worked out fully or not. They put a team around Kahwi that got to a Western Conference Finals. That same team damn near won 50 games without him this season even though they were in shock at what was going on with Kawhi. They beat HOU in HOU in the playoffs without Kawhi being there to get to a WCF.

Yes, they gave Pau/Mills bad deals, but HOU gave Ryan Anderson a worse one. Plenty of good teams have done that but unlike SA, they haven’t continued to win and don’t have a better path to flexibility or youth as SA.

Also, I find it really hypocritical that people bash SA not trying to put “more” around Kawhi but also bash things like the Pau deal. The Pau deal is a direct result of them taking their shot to land another huge star. So because it didn’t work out and they had to make a deal with Pau to even have the chance, we will disparage them?

Makes no sense. SA without high picks has landed other good talent starting with a legit all-star in LMA to pair with Kawhi. They took some swings at adding more while also rebuilding on the fly with youth (Murray, White, Kyle, Bertans). They got Rudy Gay, kept Danny Green and did many other great things while giving the team a shot at GS if some things broke their way all the while not being in salary cap hell like CLE whether they lose their star or not.

Even HOU is in an awful spot and they got just as far as SA has and SA as CURRENTLY constructed with a healthy and engaged Kawhi would have beat this HOU team that might not even get to stay together and HOU has no picks or youth to show for it either.

HUGE +1

My two cents:

Kawhi doesn't have a dad;
His uncle is the closest thing he has;
His uncle wants to get paid;
HEB commercials won't cut it;
He doesn't care about the super max;
Kawhi can make more in endorsements and shoe deals in a larger market;
Further evidence of this is found in them turning down the Jordan offer this year;
So he sat Kawhi out all season so he would be healthy for a trade;
He's controlling the narrative to get him to LA so he can get more exposure;
Exposure = money.

Bottom line is his uncle wants Kawhi paid like a top three player and he knows that won't happen in SA. Kawhi was fine with that life till his uncle took over. His uncle knows that he can make up what he misses in the super max with good endorsements so he's shipping him out. Let's be honest, that's where most super starts get their money.

[BackHome]

man, that's an underwhelming trade. PATFO better be sticking Ainge up for the 2019 Memphis pick too.

Even if Philly offers up Fultz, Saric, Bayless( i'd hold out for Covington though), 10th pick, plus our choice of Bolden, Parsecniks, or the 26th pick- I think that is a better offer than Brown, Rozier, Marcus Morris plus the Sacramento 2019 1st (probably ends up being in the range of 4-8).

I totally agree with you and I would take Bolden. I would love for them to somehow move that 10th pick into 8th pick somehow.

[daslicer]

HUGE +1

My two cents:

Kawhi doesn't have a dad;
His uncle is the closest thing he has;
His uncle wants to get paid;
HEB commercials won't cut it;
He doesn't care about the super max;
Kawhi can make more in endorsements and shoe deals in a larger market;
Further evidence of this is found in them turning down the Jordan offer this year;
So he sat Kawhi out all season so he would be healthy for a trade;
He's controlling the narrative to get him to LA so he can get more exposure;
Exposure = money.

Bottom line is his uncle wants Kawhi paid like a top three player and he knows that won't happen in SA. Kawhi was fine with that life till his uncle took over. His uncle knows that he can make up what he misses in the super max with good endorsements so he's shipping him out. Let's be honest, that's where most super starts get their money.

Agreed I have said it for a while that there is nothing the Spurs could have done to keep Kawhi. His Uncle pulls all the strings and was determined to get Kawhi out of SA.

[Lostwingman]

I'm not sure how much I buy the narrative that all Kawhi needs to do is BE in a bigger market to bigger endorsements. Don't you have to, you know, kind of have a personality to sell? Something to make you more recognizable than a jersey?

I think even if his uncle gets his way like that, it's going be to be underwhelming.

[Trueblood]

I'm not sure how much I buy the narrative that all Kawhi needs to do is BE in a bigger market to bigger endorsements. Don't you have to, you know, kind of have a personality to sell? Something to make you more recognizable than a jersey?

I think even if his uncle gets his way like that, it's going be to be underwhelming.

Kawhi's best commercial was the one he wasn't even really in. If he's in a big market helping a team win he will get endorsements regardless of his personality

[K...]

Going into Mills free agency, a lot of people he'd really get paid. Here is ESPN projection of Patty's market value as of May 23, 2017 ( http://www.espnsa.com/patty-mills-earn-next-contract/ ): "Patty Mills’ market value works out to be roughly $18.6 million per season. This doesn’t necessarily mean San Antonio will offer him a contract, and may let him go in free agency. Tony Parker is ageing, and they may opt to move for a big name point guard. Based on this contract he would be taking up approximately 16-17% of the cap, which is not outrageous for a 6th man."

Instead, he signed for 4/$50MM, for average of $12.5MM. The contract may seem to be an overpay in hindsight (because of his lowered numbers this year and because the free agent market was softer than expected), but it really was not an egregiously bad deal going in.

his value decreased because kawhi and parker left and the spurs offense suffered. They also kept tying to make mills the main PG instead of 6th man. Mills is who he is, the problem is the lack of guard talent around him.

[daslicer]

I'm not sure how much I buy the narrative that all Kawhi needs to do is BE in a bigger market to bigger endorsements. Don't you have to, you know, kind of have a personality to sell? Something to make you more recognizable than a jersey?

I think even if his uncle gets his way like that, it's going be to be underwhelming.

He'll get more endorsements in a big market but he'll never be on the level of Lebron,Durant,Curry,Harden, and even CP3 when it comes to endorsements.

[K...]

didn’t kyrie have interest in San Antonio before? The spurs just didn’t have assets to trade for him, I remember reading SA was one of his preferred destinations

i would not assume he'd be interested in are building without kawhi, but what could be good is a trade that send kawhi to Boston, kyrie to NY, and porzy to SA.

3 team trades are great for scenarios in which the spurs are offered value that doesn't match their tastes and i don't think kyrie is worth it unless they think him and LMA are better than LMA murray.

[toki9]

his value decreased because kawhi and parker left and the spurs offense suffered. They also kept tying to make mills the main PG instead of 6th man. Mills is who he is, the problem is the lack of guard talent around him.

Yeah, so Mills "underperformed" following his signing because the whole team was put in a situation that they never saw happening...so the criticism of that contract being a bad contract is really just criticizing the Spurs for not having perfect foresight. OTOH, if the team had given out the contract that seems more appropriate in hindsight, then Mills probably would have gone somewhere else and may have ended up performing better. Point is, criticizing the Spurs for the contract given out to Mills is not exactly fair.

[SupremeGuy]

yep from July 2017

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWfsbc9BSFt/?taken-by=barbusasdAm I supposed to jerk off or wait?

[ace3g]

Well Spurs twitter still keeping hope... #SilverandBlackTillHeIsnt

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[K...]

Well Spurs twitter still keeping hope... #SilverandBlackTillHeIsnt

1008403651696701440

no that's replacement karma, as in they've been there and can do it again. Also may be sending a message to the posse, "look who created you fool, it's father's day respect your daddy"

[SupremeGuy]

To all the people talking about “SA should have put more around” or “they needed to get Kawhi more talent” or “look at this Pau/Mills contracts” please stop.

SA landed one of the biggest FA scoops of the past 5 years, whether it worked out fully or not. They put a team around Kahwi that got to a Western Conference Finals. That same team damn near won 50 games without him this season even though they were in shock at what was going on with Kawhi. They beat HOU in HOU in the playoffs without Kawhi being there to get to a WCF.

Yes, they gave Pau/Mills bad deals, but HOU gave Ryan Anderson a worse one. Plenty of good teams have done that but unlike SA, they haven’t continued to win and don’t have a better path to flexibility or youth as SA.

Also, I find it really hypocritical that people bash SA not trying to put “more” around Kawhi but also bash things like the Pau deal. The Pau deal is a direct result of them taking their shot to land another huge star. So because it didn’t work out and they had to make a deal with Pau to even have the chance, we will disparage them?

Makes no sense. SA without high picks has landed other good talent starting with a legit all-star in LMA to pair with Kawhi. They took some swings at adding more while also rebuilding on the fly with youth (Murray, White, Kyle, Bertans). They got Rudy Gay, kept Danny Green and did many other great things while giving the team a shot at GS if some things broke their way all the while not being in salary cap hell like CLE whether they lose their star or not.

Even HOU is in an awful spot and they got just as far as SA has and SA as CURRENTLY constructed with a healthy and engaged Kawhi would have beat this HOU team that might not even get to stay together and HOU has no picks or youth to show for it either.I've been saying it this entire thread:

1. We sign him to the SM. Then the team has all leverage.

2. Fucking risk. We still throw SM in his face next Summer. Probably more to do with stature at that point.

[daslicer]

I've been saying it this entire thread:

1. We sign him to the SM. Then the team has all leverage.

2. Fucking risk. We still throw SM in his face next Summer. Probably more to do with stature at that point.

I have heard now his camp wants the no trade clause with the Super Max which makes it a bad deal since they would be able to dictate where he gets traded to in the future.

[Trill Clinton]

Could this be the possible face to face meeting?

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According to Antonio Daniels this is an old photo

[cd021]

I totally agree with you and I would take Bolden. I would love for them to somehow move that 10th pick into 8th pick somehow.

I would prefer Parsekniks tbh. I would hope that Wendell Carter would be available at 10 but probably not. Spurs would probably look at a wing in that scenario with Fultz, Murray, and Saric being in place as potential long-term pieces, hopefully, Parseknicks maybe being a future starting 5

[dbestpro]

The NBA needs to fight during the next bargaining agreement for the ability to pay the average of the top five salaries for one season before a player can move on to free agency.

[mo7888]

man, that's an underwhelming trade. PATFO better be sticking Ainge up for the 2019 Memphis pick too.

Even if Philly offers up Fultz, Saric, Bayless( i'd hold out for Covington though), 10th pick, plus our choice of Bolden, Parsecniks, or the 26th pick- I think that is a better offer than Brown, Rozier, Marcus Morris plus the Sacramento 2019 1st (probably ends up being in the range of 4-8).

If Philly offers that it is definitely stronger than the Boston offer. The only way Boston trumps it is to include Tatum and Brown.

[jjktkk]

To all the people talking about “SA should have put more around” or “they needed to get Kawhi more talent” or “look at this Pau/Mills contracts” please stop.

SA landed one of the biggest FA scoops of the past 5 years, whether it worked out fully or not. They put a team around Kahwi that got to a Western Conference Finals. That same team damn near won 50 games without him this season even though they were in shock at what was going on with Kawhi. They beat HOU in HOU in the playoffs without Kawhi being there to get to a WCF.

Yes, they gave Pau/Mills bad deals, but HOU gave Ryan Anderson a worse one. Plenty of good teams have done that but unlike SA, they haven’t continued to win and don’t have a better path to flexibility or youth as SA.

Also, I find it really hypocritical that people bash SA not trying to put “more” around Kawhi but also bash things like the Pau deal. The Pau deal is a direct result of them taking their shot to land another huge star. So because it didn’t work out and they had to make a deal with Pau to even have the chance, we will disparage them?

Makes no sense. SA without high picks has landed other good talent starting with a legit all-star in LMA to pair with Kawhi. They took some swings at adding more while also rebuilding on the fly with youth (Murray, White, Kyle, Bertans). They got Rudy Gay, kept Danny Green and did many other great things while giving the team a shot at GS if some things broke their way all the while not being in salary cap hell like CLE whether they lose their star or not.

Even HOU is in an awful spot and they got just as far as SA has and SA as CURRENTLY constructed with a healthy and engaged Kawhi would have beat this HOU team that might not even get to stay together and HOU has no picks or youth to show for it either.

:bobo

[Spurs4#5]

Just read over on hoopshype from the ever so reliable peter vescey that kawhi is not only building a home for himself here in San Antonio but also one for his mother. Take it for what you want. I’ll wait until I hear something from the actually people involved, not Jabari young.

[NASpurs]

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/lakers-clippers-concerns-kawhi-leonard-health/449879

"According to Tania Ganguli of the Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-spurs-leonard-lakers-20180615-story.html), both the Los Angeles Lakers and Los Angeles Clippers have thus far declined to engage the Spurs in trade talks. That hesitancy stems from ongoing concerns about the health of his quad."

[tim_duncan_fan]

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/lakers-clippers-concerns-kawhi-leonard-health/449879

"According to Tania Ganguli of the Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-spurs-leonard-lakers-20180615-story.html), both the Los Angeles Lakers and Los Angeles Clippers have thus far declined to engage the Spurs in trade talks. That hesitancy stems from ongoing concerns about the health of his quad."

Whoa plot twist?

[RD2191]

http://larrybrownsports.com/basketball/lakers-clippers-concerns-kawhi-leonard-health/449879

"According to Tania Ganguli of the Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/la-sp-spurs-leonard-lakers-20180615-story.html), both the Los Angeles Lakers and Los Angeles Clippers have thus far declined to engage the Spurs in trade talks. That hesitancy stems from ongoing concerns about the health of his quad."

:lol bullshit

[RD2191]

They're just trying to drive the Spurs asking price down, don't fall for their bullshit. :lol

[Play Boban]

Spurs fans are very provincial and myopic in their view of "bad contracts" by the Spurs.

No credible NBA pundits think the Spurs have "bad deals" -- quite the opposite, the Spurs are considered bargain-hunters.

Take the time to look around the league -- 80-90% of NBA teams (even really good ones) have much worse contracts than Mills or Gasol. You could list them, team by team, contract by contract.

In fact, we are spoiled by a long line of bargain contracts that helped win titles and raise the expectations of Spurs fans -- the Spurs are prisoners of their own success.
Truth bombs being leveled. Spies fans are morons.

[BillMc]

:lol bullshit


Probably. And if not, gamesmanship to drive down the price. But probably bullshit. :lol

[cd021]

If Philly offers that it is definitely stronger than the Boston offer. The only way Boston trumps it is to include Tatum and Brown.

No way they give up Tatum and Brown, no matter what Trump says :lol.
if they are willing to part with the Memphis and Kings 2019 picks plus Rozier, Brown and Morris then that is obviously a better deal with a former lottery pick and a top 7 pick (Kings) plus another that is probably going to fall into the 10-15 range (Grizzlies).

[Vic Petro]

Just say no to Fultz. Damaged goods

[cd021]

The NBA needs to fight during the next bargaining agreement for the ability to pay the average of the top five salaries for one season before a player can move on to free agency.

No way players would agree to a franchise tag. The whole point of being a free agent is choosing where a player can play, that is the exact opposite of that. That and the hard cap aren't happening.

[djohn2oo8]

To all the people talking about “SA should have put more around” or “they needed to get Kawhi more talent” or “look at this Pau/Mills contracts” please stop.

SA landed one of the biggest FA scoops of the past 5 years, whether it worked out fully or not. They put a team around Kahwi that got to a Western Conference Finals. That same team damn near won 50 games without him this season even though they were in shock at what was going on with Kawhi. They beat HOU in HOU in the playoffs without Kawhi being there to get to a WCF.

Yes, they gave Pau/Mills bad deals, but HOU gave Ryan Anderson a worse one. Plenty of good teams have done that but unlike SA, they haven’t continued to win and don’t have a better path to flexibility or youth as SA.

Also, I find it really hypocritical that people bash SA not trying to put “more” around Kawhi but also bash things like the Pau deal. The Pau deal is a direct result of them taking their shot to land another huge star. So because it didn’t work out and they had to make a deal with Pau to even have the chance, we will disparage them?

Makes no sense. SA without high picks has landed other good talent starting with a legit all-star in LMA to pair with Kawhi. They took some swings at adding more while also rebuilding on the fly with youth (Murray, White, Kyle, Bertans). They got Rudy Gay, kept Danny Green and did many other great things while giving the team a shot at GS if some things broke their way all the while not being in salary cap hell like CLE whether they lose their star or not.

Even HOU is in an awful spot and they got just as far as SA has and SA as CURRENTLY constructed with a healthy and engaged Kawhi would have beat this HOU team that might not even get to stay together and HOU has no picks or youth to show for it either.

Morey can acquire picks anytime he wants, besides Morey drafts really well in the 2nd round and is good at finding unproven FA. Capela is no youth? Besides Rockets are not in a develop talent stage right now. As long as Paul and Harden are here its try to win now. Situations are not comparable. Pop retires and what happens to the Spurs if they have a couple of losing seasons in a row?

And no. I really don't want to hear what an engaged Kawhi would have done. He wasn't engaged and didn't do shit.

[cd021]

Just say no to Fultz. Damaged goods

He had shoulder surgery and couldn't shoot, afterwards. If he regains his form then he is the same player that posted 23.5 ppg, 6 rebs, and 6 asts and shot 47% and 40% from the floor and 3 in college and was taken #1 last year.

[SpursDynasty85]

man, that's an underwhelming trade. PATFO better be sticking Ainge up for the 2019 Memphis pick too.

Even if Philly offers up Fultz, Saric, Bayless( i'd hold out for Covington though), 10th pick, plus our choice of Bolden, Parsecniks, or the 26th pick- I think that is a better offer than Brown, Rozier, Marcus Morris plus the Sacramento 2019 1st (probably ends up being in the range of 4-8).

Are you assuming Kawhi does a sign and trade? Getting Rozier and Brown is a steal for a one and done. Kawhi obviously only wants to go to LA. Why would he help the Spurs when he is mad at them too?

[marinoman]

Can’t believe that photo is still being questioned, it’s from 2017, that guy was trolling

[Dex]

Can’t believe that photo is still being questioned, it’s from 2017, that guy was trolling

That's the problem with our social media culture. Any nobody can serve up some bullshit report, and for every person calling it out for the bullshit that it is, there will be 100 people eating it up.

[toki9]

I have heard now his camp wants the no trade clause with the Super Max which makes it a bad deal since they would be able to dictate where he gets traded to in the future.

So they're just piling on demands, rather than being conciliatory? Sounds like they just want to force a trade.

[SpursDynasty85]

I have heard now his camp wants the no trade clause with the Super Max which makes it a bad deal since they would be able to dictate where he gets traded to in the future.

Cant trust their team. What is the difference if he can just stage a medical holdout. And then you have to match salaries in a trade. Can we get fair value back and with a no trade clause? Probably not that simple. Let alone the chronic nature of his injury.

[spurschamps99030507]

Peter Vecsey: Combined with the incontrovertible fact that Kawhi’s placid personality is a perfect fit in San Antonio and torturously unfit to cope with the media madness of Los Angeles and New York — even Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago and Miami — I’m convinced a reconciliation is imminent. The fact Kawhi is building a home in San Antonio for himself, and one, I’m told, for his mother, somewhat bolsters that conclusion … though athletes’ custom-made residences certainly don’t guarantee an iota of permanency

Peter Vecsey: In a cell conversation yesterday with Kawhi’s fringe friend (see above car quote), my first words were ones I’ve often promoted: “You know, I’m only as good as my source. What can you tell me?” Enough so that I’m thoroughly disinclined to believe Kawhi and Pop can’t patch things up, predominantly because their relationship isn’t in need of a large patch. From what I’m told, they’ve never exchanged harsh words or gone off on each other. A single problem existed last season that would not go away: Kawhi’s caregivers and doctors felt his repaired quad wasn’t entirely healthy when he returned 28 games into the season. After nine, some very effective, minute-monitored games, they insisted he return to rehab

Peter Vecsey: But there is a reason they’re called ‘team’ doctors, and not players’ doctors … they’re paid by the team. “The media made it seem as if the Spurs and Kawhi’s people weren’t communicating. Like they didn’t know where he was and how things were going,” my source said. “They were in constant touch. I think Pop made Mitch wear a helmet cam. “The Spurs had their opinion regarding what should be done. Kawhi’s people disagreed. I don’t see any reason why both sides can’t move forward together.”


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[cd021]

Are you assuming Kawhi does a sign and trade? Getting Rozier and Brown is a steal for a one and done. Kawhi obviously only wants to go to LA. Why would he help the Spurs when he is mad at them too?

Is it? Brown is nice and a top 7 pick is fine but a healthy Leonard is a top 3 player in the league. Even if it is a 1-year deal and Kawhi has some say where he ends up, it still provides Boston an advantage to retain him with bird rights.

[daslicer]

Peter Vecsey: Combined with the incontrovertible fact that Kawhi’s placid personality is a perfect fit in San Antonio and torturously unfit to cope with the media madness of Los Angeles and New York — even Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago and Miami — I’m convinced a reconciliation is imminent. The fact Kawhi is building a home in San Antonio for himself, and one, I’m told, for his mother, somewhat bolsters that conclusion … though athletes’ custom-made residences certainly don’t guarantee an iota of permanency

Peter Vecsey: In a cell conversation yesterday with Kawhi’s fringe friend (see above car quote), my first words were ones I’ve often promoted: “You know, I’m only as good as my source. What can you tell me?” Enough so that I’m thoroughly disinclined to believe Kawhi and Pop can’t patch things up, predominantly because their relationship isn’t in need of a large patch. From what I’m told, they’ve never exchanged harsh words or gone off on each other. A single problem existed last season that would not go away: Kawhi’s caregivers and doctors felt his repaired quad wasn’t entirely healthy when he returned 28 games into the season. After nine, some very effective, minute-monitored games, they insisted he return to rehab

Peter Vecsey: But there is a reason they’re called ‘team’ doctors, and not players’ doctors … they’re paid by the team. “The media made it seem as if the Spurs and Kawhi’s people weren’t communicating. Like they didn’t know where he was and how things were going,” my source said. “They were in constant touch. I think Pop made Mitch wear a helmet cam. “The Spurs had their opinion regarding what should be done. Kawhi’s people disagreed. I don’t see any reason why both sides can’t move forward together.”


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Doesn't mean anything I remember way back in '96 Shaq buying his mom a home in Orlando and then going to LA a few months later in FA.

[toki9]

Peter Vecsey: Combined with the incontrovertible fact that Kawhi’s placid personality is a perfect fit in San Antonio and torturously unfit to cope with the media madness of Los Angeles and New York — even Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago and Miami — I’m convinced a reconciliation is imminent. The fact Kawhi is building a home in San Antonio for himself, and one, I’m told, for his mother, somewhat bolsters that conclusion … though athletes’ custom-made residences certainly don’t guarantee an iota of permanency

Peter Vecsey: In a cell conversation yesterday with Kawhi’s fringe friend (see above car quote), my first words were ones I’ve often promoted: “You know, I’m only as good as my source. What can you tell me?” Enough so that I’m thoroughly disinclined to believe Kawhi and Pop can’t patch things up, predominantly because their relationship isn’t in need of a large patch. From what I’m told, they’ve never exchanged harsh words or gone off on each other. A single problem existed last season that would not go away: Kawhi’s caregivers and doctors felt his repaired quad wasn’t entirely healthy when he returned 28 games into the season. After nine, some very effective, minute-monitored games, they insisted he return to rehab

Peter Vecsey: But there is a reason they’re called ‘team’ doctors, and not players’ doctors … they’re paid by the team. “The media made it seem as if the Spurs and Kawhi’s people weren’t communicating. Like they didn’t know where he was and how things were going,” my source said. “They were in constant touch. I think Pop made Mitch wear a helmet cam. “The Spurs had their opinion regarding what should be done. Kawhi’s people disagreed. I don’t see any reason why both sides can’t move forward together.”


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The problem isn't with Pop and Kawhi...I think Pop even said in a Q&A this year, "What can I do? I like the kid." The problem is with the people surrounding Kawhi and everyone else...and the team's frustration is probably because they have no idea where the separation is between Kawhi and his group.

[SpursDynasty85]

Is it? Brown is nice and a top 7 pick is fine but a healthy Leonard is a top 3 player in the league. Even if it is a 1-year deal and Kawhi has some say where he ends up, it still provides Boston an advantage to retain him with bird rights.

Rozier is a serious upgrade over any of our current guards plus you still have to throw in more to match salaries like aarcus Morris and a draft pick. LA, Magic, and their city sponsors are salivating. Unless we are orchestrating a trade with LA (not smart) I doubt we get more. I am wary Boston would even give that much up yet either. To me Fultz with his injury is a big risk compared to Brown and Rozier who are coming from a system that would fit well with the Spurs as well.

[MR-Clutch]

Jabari Young is a scum bag.

[dbestpro]

Rozier is a serious upgrade over any of our current guards plus you still have to throw in more to match salaries like aarcus Morris and a draft pick. LA, Magic, and their city sponsors are salivating. Unless we are orchestrating a trade with LA (not smart) I doubt we get more. I am wary Boston would even give that much up yet either. To me Fultz with his injury is a big risk compared to Brown and Rozier who are coming from a system that would fit well with the Spurs as well.

Boston would have to come up with 18-22 mil money match. The only way to do that is to toss in someone like Kyrie, and add a few Spur players for the salary of Brown, and Rozier. You can't make it work with just Brown, Morris and Rozier. In fact Boston players are either making mega cash or little cash. Options of sign and trades with Green, Smart, and Parker could be used to balance things but then someone may get over paid.

[daslicer]

Jabari Young is a scum bag.

Yup dude is very thirsty for a job on ESPN and doesn't even hide it.

[Dverde]

If they were smart the would make the other take on Pau or Patty with him.

[mo7888]

No way they give up Tatum and Brown, no matter what Trump says :lol.
if they are willing to part with the Memphis and Kings 2019 picks plus Rozier, Brown and Morris then that is obviously a better deal with a former lottery pick and a top 7 pick (Kings) plus another that is probably going to fall into the 10-15 range (Grizzlies).

I'm not expecting them to offer Tatum and brown. I just think it's the only way they can best the Philly offer you suggested.
I also think that Philly offer is a good bit better than the Boston offer including the Sacramento and Memphis pick next year in a much weaker class.

[szkorhetz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7qEgyYiS2s

[Vic Petro]

He had shoulder surgery and couldn't shoot, afterwards. If he regains his form then he is the same player that posted 23.5 ppg, 6 rebs, and 6 asts and shot 47% and 40% from the floor and 3 in college and was taken #1 last year.

He’s already had shoulder surgery, a physical problem, and a case of the yips, a mental problem. He was always a chucker. This is the centerpiece of your deal for an all NBA player? No thanks

[MaNu4Tres]

According to Antonio Daniels this is an old photo

Old photo from 2017. The dbag who posted it on twitter lied.

[TheDoctor]

It's a real pic.

And its recent.

Pop is already back in San Antonio though so this had to be from the past week or two.

:lmao

[toki9]

Jabari Young is a scum bag.

Did something recent precipitate this, or is this just a general observation based on his recent "reportage"?

[ace3g]

Dick Vitale a little behind, lol

1008438753814343685

[RD2191]

:lmao

But muh sources

[marinoman]

Dick Vitale a little behind, lol

1008438753814343685
Tbh any of us that believed this (myself included) were fools. If they ever are to meet it’ll be private behind closed doors, not at a fuckin steakhouse or whatever restaurant this is

[BSfromTX]

Tbh any of us that believed this (myself included) were fools. If they ever are to meet it’ll be private behind closed doors, not at a fuckin steakhouse or whatever restaurant this is

I’m sure uncle Dennis will insist on being there as well

[Kori Ellis]

Peter Vecsey: Combined with the incontrovertible fact that Kawhi’s placid personality is a perfect fit in San Antonio and torturously unfit to cope with the media madness of Los Angeles and New York — even Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago and Miami — I’m convinced a reconciliation is imminent. The fact Kawhi is building a home in San Antonio for himself, and one, I’m told, for his mother, somewhat bolsters that conclusion … though athletes’ custom-made residences certainly don’t guarantee an iota of permanency

Peter Vecsey: In a cell conversation yesterday with Kawhi’s fringe friend (see above car quote), my first words were ones I’ve often promoted: “You know, I’m only as good as my source. What can you tell me?” Enough so that I’m thoroughly disinclined to believe Kawhi and Pop can’t patch things up, predominantly because their relationship isn’t in need of a large patch. From what I’m told, they’ve never exchanged harsh words or gone off on each other. A single problem existed last season that would not go away: Kawhi’s caregivers and doctors felt his repaired quad wasn’t entirely healthy when he returned 28 games into the season. After nine, some very effective, minute-monitored games, they insisted he return to rehab

Peter Vecsey: But there is a reason they’re called ‘team’ doctors, and not players’ doctors … they’re paid by the team. “The media made it seem as if the Spurs and Kawhi’s people weren’t communicating. Like they didn’t know where he was and how things were going,” my source said. “They were in constant touch. I think Pop made Mitch wear a helmet cam. “The Spurs had their opinion regarding what should be done. Kawhi’s people disagreed. I don’t see any reason why both sides can’t move forward together.”


https://www.patreon.com/posts/kawhi-leonard-19500028?utm_medium=post_notification_email&utm_source=post_link&utm_campaign=patron_engagement&token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJyZWR pc19rZXkiOiJpbnN0YW50LWFjY2VzczozMDdiYWEwMy1hYmFiL TQwNzYtOTk2MS03NzYyMjc4NDU1ODAifQ.In5zeO51klEFCs_Y CCmQ__UltDRefQUAmS62aKmdiM8

Thanks for posting this. Do you pay $5 a month for Vecsey's Patreon? Is it worth reading?

[CGD]

didn’t kyrie have interest in San Antonio before? The spurs just didn’t have assets to trade for him, I remember reading SA was one of his preferred destinations

The biggest threat to Kyrie leaving Boston next summer is the Knicks. That’s why I’m sure the knicks would love to get in on the Kawhi action NOW. A kyrie and Kawhi team would get the Knicks back in the game ASAP.

Id jump on a KP (injured), Frank, filler, 8, and 2020 first rounder.

[toki9]

Dick Vitale a little behind, lol

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Hey, leave him alone...we old folks aren't as savvy about the interwebs... :lol I certainly was fooled...

[TD 21]

Clearly, his representation are amateurs, but if he really wanted out, wouldn't him or them have told Buford/Pop directly? They have to know they're not going to operate based on media reports.

News of this broke the day after the Woj story and others recently that pained the situation in a more positive light than it had been in a while. The salient part of the Woj story was about the Spurs essentially not immediately offering the super max. That was the Spurs using him to strongarm them and this was probably them returning serve.

Boiled down, it amounts to two sides entrenched, more concerned with attempting to leverage the other than make the first move towards reconciliation. A glorified stand off to see who blinks first. The second one does, we'll have a sense of how this will end.

[Seventyniner]

Peter Vecsey: In a cell conversation yesterday with Kawhi’s fringe friend (see above car quote), my first words were ones I’ve often promoted: “You know, I’m only as good as my source. What can you tell me?”

Vecsey must have somehow made a career out of really shitty sources.


Rozier is a serious upgrade over any of our current guards

Disagree here. The guy shot 40% from two in the regular season. As far as I'm concerned, Mills is far better.


Tbh any of us that believed this (myself included) were fools. If they ever are to meet it’ll be private behind closed doors, not at a fuckin steakhouse or whatever restaurant this is

This.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I appreciate the Vecsey article but I think he’s always been way way way off

[CGD]

I appreciate the Vecsey article but I think he’s always been way way way off

Yup, For like 15 years now

[Stabula]

Leonard and his kawhadriceps issue will stay in San Antonio. This is likely just a bargaining tactic.

[tbdog]

I havn't read anywhere spurs trying out any top picks. Wouldn't that mean there has been no trade talks?

[BackHome]

No fucking way Kawhi stays in SA.

[baseline bum]

Thanks for posting this. Do you pay $5 a month for Vecsey's Patreon? Is it worth reading?

The only good thing Vescey ever did was this interview with Karl Malone after blowing the Finals


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mJrrabVs_A

[exstatic]

I havn't read anywhere spurs trying out any top picks. Wouldn't that mean there has been no trade talks?

When they were after Kawhi in 2011, they didn’t even interview him, let alone work him out. He wasn’t even considered a top pick. You think you’ll hear anything?

[baseline bum]

When they were after Kawhi in 2011, they didn’t even interview him, let alone work him out. He wasn’t even considered a top pick. You think you’ll hear anything?

Didn't they talk to his coach at SDSU though? I could swear I read that somewhere.

[FkLA]

It's a real pic.

And its recent.

Pop is already back in San Antonio though so this had to be from the past week or two.

:lmao

but im the sauce queen :cry
i told you so :cry
where's dex? :cry
give me the respect i deserve :cry

[spurschamps99030507]

Thanks for posting this. Do you pay $5 a month for Vecsey's Patreon? Is it worth reading?

No, I am a big fan of the Spurs since March 1999, out of the states and I only pay the league pass to see my team, I just look for updates on the status of the kiwi parasite

[exstatic]

Didn't they talk to his coach at SDSU though? I could swear I read that somewhere.

They did, but I’m guessing they asked him to keep quiet until after the draft. I also remember that they were concerned about his shot, but really didn’t want to tweak their interest by working him out. He was at the combine doing some sort of group workouts, and got bored waiting, and started putting up shots. Chip was in the gym that day, by chance, and the rest is history.

[Spurs da champs]

:lmao

but im the sauce queen :cry
i told you so :cry
where's dex? :cry
give me the respect i deserve :cry

I'm dying. :lol

[dabom]

I'm dying. :lol

:lol

[TheDoctor]

The only good thing Vescey ever did was this interview with Karl Malone after blowing the Finals


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mJrrabVs_A
:lmao what an incisive motherfucker.

Imagine those question to Eliancito after 3-1 debacle :lol

[TheDoctor]

:lmao

but im the sauce queen :cry
i told you so :cry
where's dex? :cry
give me the respect i deserve :cry
:lol more hilarious was the backpedaling. Bu bu but that guy lied HAHAHAHAHA omfg

[MaNu4Tres]

:lmao

but im the sauce queen :cry
i told you so :cry
where's dex? :cry
give me the respect i deserve :cry

That was from twitter late last night dumbass. Not from my source. Cute try though.

[MaNu4Tres]

:lol more hilarious was the backpedaling. Bu bu but that guy lied HAHAHAHAHA omfg

It was all over twitter -- not from my sources around town. Then found out the picture was from 2017.

[cd021]

Rozier is a serious upgrade over any of our current guards plus you still have to throw in more to match salaries like aarcus Morris and a draft pick. LA, Magic, and their city sponsors are salivating. Unless we are orchestrating a trade with LA (not smart) I doubt we get more. I am wary Boston would even give that much up yet either. To me Fultz with his injury is a big risk compared to Brown and Rozier who are coming from a system that would fit well with the Spurs as well.

If Boston is only offering Rozier, Brown, Kings pick, and Morris, that is not a good offer. It's just not. The Philly package that I suggested would be a much better value m

[MaNu4Tres]

If Boston is only offering Rozier, Brown, Kings pick, and Morris, that is not a good offer. It's just not. The Philly package that I suggested would be a much better value m

If I'm SA, I'd demand Jaylen Brown, Kings 1st in 19 bare minimum. Nothing less.

[Lostwingman]

I only want Kawhi to stay if the dunderfucks running his career go fuck off somewhere else.

[objective]

If I'm SA, I'd demand Jaylen Brown, Kings 1st in 19 bare minimum. Nothing less.

disagree

Anything less than Tatum AND Brown AND the Kings 1st is just being marks and getting destroyed in the trade and gifting Boston the title.

I don't think a Boston deal is even worth pursuing.

Spurs number one priority should be to not be suckers. They'll lose every trade but don't have to be suckers. Don't give contenders free rings like Rodman to the Bulls. Don't give big markets free contention.

And if that means benching Kawhi for a year then so be it.

[KDKSpurs24]

If Boston is only offering Rozier, Brown, Kings pick, and Morris, that is not a good offer. It's just not. The Philly package that I suggested would be a much better value m
Why is it not? Some of y’all acting like we can just get ANYTHING. And it seems like y’all are trying to contend next season or something. At least Brown is young and promising. Ahead of Kawhi was at this age and very athletic. Even if Kawhi is 96/100 (just using this scale to rate) rated kind of player right now it would still be awesome if in 2-3 years Brown reaches even 93/100. For someone who wants to leave and might not even be his old self we can’t be super picky. But that deal is good considering the circumstances.

[Play Boban]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7qEgyYiS2s
He’s better than Kawhitter right now. :wow

[exstatic]

disagree

Anything less than Tatum AND Brown AND the Kings 1st is just being marks and getting destroyed in the trade and gifting Boston the title.

I don't think a Boston deal is even worth pursuing.

Spurs number one priority should be to not be suckers. They'll lose every trade but don't have to be suckers. Don't give contenders free rings like Rodman to the Bulls. Don't give big markets free contention.

And if that means benching Kawhi for a year then so be it.
If Sacto is interested with #2 in play, you have the perfect way to get Ainges attention. Sacto getting Kawhi would mean that the 2019 Sacto pick would likely fall outside the top 10, and then not convey to Boston. Rendering a likely lottery pick null and void has a way of loosening the purse strings.

[sasaint]

If Sacto is interested with #2 in play, you have the perfect way to get Ainges attention. Sacto getting Kawhi would mean that the 2019 Sacto pick would likely fall outside the top 10, and then not convey to Boston. Rendering a likely lottery pick null and void has a way of loosening the purse strings.

Very interesting strategic angle. Thanks. :toast

[FkLA]

That was from twitter late last night dumbass. Not from my source. Cute try though.

Oh right, let's just pretend like you didn't come in matter of factly, strutting your sauce queen ass after the pic was posted to "confirm" that it was recent. :lol

Besides someone with your sauces should be tied in enough to not fall for a twitter troll's BS.

[SpursDynasty85]

If Sacto is interested with #2 in play, you have the perfect way to get Ainges attention. Sacto getting Kawhi would mean that the 2019 Sacto pick would likely fall outside the top 10, and then not convey to Boston. Rendering a likely lottery pick null and void has a way of loosening the purse strings.

Boston is so far above almost every team as far as competing, young assets, and future first round picks, any anxiety would honestly be over blown. It's why we should be realistic with Celtics trades and not expect them to sell the farm just for Kawhi when they are easily east favorites and top 3 contender so far.

[Kindergarten Cop]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-cavaliers-made-calls-spurs-023039765.html

Report: Cavaliers have made calls to Spurs about Kawhi Leonard

[FvckMavs]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-cavaliers-made-calls-spurs-023039765.html

Report: Cavaliers have made calls to Spurs about Kawhi Leonard

Hopefully Ainge will be concerned.

[tholdren]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-cavaliers-made-calls-spurs-023039765.html

Report: Cavaliers have made calls to Spurs about Kawhi Leonard

Kl for lebron

[MaNu4Tres]

Oh right, let's just pretend like you didn't come in matter of factly, strutting your sauce queen ass after the pic was posted to "confirm" that it was recent. :lol

Besides someone with your sauces should be tied in enough to not fall for a twitter troll's BS.

I actually posted early in the morning it was bullshit. Your ass is still sore I see.

[marinoman]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-cavaliers-made-calls-spurs-023039765.html

Report: Cavaliers have made calls to Spurs about Kawhi Leonard
Kawhi for george hill again lol

[NASpurs]

Almost makes you want to bet money on the Spurs. I just feel like they're going to hold out for as long as they can.

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[rasuo214]

I'd go with Philly. Boston has Hayward, Brown and Tatum, they don't really need to go for Kawhi. Maybe if they can get him without trading Brown or Tatum they go for it. I also think it's a mistake to exclude western teams, go with the best offer. If it's close then yea sure send him East.

[Slippy]

I'd never give into his uncle on that and do a sign and trade. They didn't earn that shit. Not with this year, at least.

How would that benefit the Spurs? Only way is if he'll also agree to play out the contract wherever he was sent so Spurs could get better assets.

I'm of the opinion that the only place you do that is for the #1 or #2 pick. Otherwise, he can fuck all the way off.
Offset you answered your own question there. The difference from supermax to leaving as a FA is over 70mill. Spurs position will be if you want s&t it has to be on spurs terms to whatever team gives them the best return. In light of Kawhis health in the past & for the future how can uncle pinn his hopes on endorsements. Hes a former banker, he going to want security first. The FA route for kawhi is a massive gamble.

[FkLA]

I actually posted early in the morning it was bullshit. Your ass is still sore I see.

Yes, my ass is really sore. Either that or I find it funny that you want to be the sauce queen so badly. :lol

[marinoman]

The celtics should offer kyrie in a deal since he also has one year left, Brown, a first and maybe more. With kawhi not only will celtics be a title contender but by getting rid of kyrie your chances to get lebron rise exponentially

[toki9]

Kawhi for george hill again lol

That would be kind of funny...and sad.

[Chinook]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-cavaliers-made-calls-spurs-023039765.html

Report: Cavaliers have made calls to Spurs about Kawhi Leonard

Love and eight pushes the market up, which is even better for SA. Lowest I take from Boston is Hayward, Brown and the SAC pick for Kawhi and Gasol.

[toki9]

Love and eight pushes the market up, which is even better for SA. Lowest I take from Boston is Hayward, Brown and the SAC pick for Kawhi and Gasol.

Yep...market pricing under way...Love and eight is a nice floor to start.

[cd021]

If I'm SA, I'd demand Jaylen Brown, Kings 1st in 19 bare minimum. Nothing less.

That isn't the issue, the issue is whether that is enough. The Grizzlies pick is what I would demand be added.

[99 Problems]

Wot do you guys think of Doncic at 2, considering Spurs deep Euro coaches, especially moving forward post Pop when one may take the reigns.

[baseline bum]

If I'm SA, I'd demand Jaylen Brown, Kings 1st in 19 bare minimum. Nothing less.

My bare minimum from Boston is Tatum and the Memphis pick, plus whatever matching salary other than Horford. Otherwise I'd go with a Philly offer of Saric + Fultz + 10 since Fultz gives me a chance to swing for the fences while Saric gives me a player of talent around that of Brown's. Brown being the centerpiece of a Boston trade is a complete no-go for me no matter what else they throw in if it's not Tatum.

[cd021]

Why is it not? Some of y’all acting like we can just get ANYTHING. And it seems like y’all are trying to contend next season or something. At least Brown is young and promising. Ahead of Kawhi was at this age and very athletic. Even if Kawhi is 96/100 (just using this scale to rate) rated kind of player right now it would still be awesome if in 2-3 years Brown reaches even 93/100. For someone who wants to leave and might not even be his old self we can’t be super picky. But that deal is good considering the circumstances.


Brown is a fine player, one that would probably be capable of being an above average starter to borderline all-star for the next decade, the Kings pick should be good-probably 5-8 and Rozier is good, though I'd the Spurs don't value him that highly then he is essentially trade salary filler.

Morris is good but probably not Spurs material so in that case it is Brown plus the future pick in the 5-8 range for the third best player in the league. You're never going to convince me that two good assets is nearly enough, because it isn't. The Memphis pick would need to be included to even make that trade palettable.

[exstatic]

Boston is so far above almost every team as far as competing, young assets, and future first round picks, any anxiety would honestly be over blown. It's why we should be realistic with Celtics trades and not expect them to sell the farm just for Kawhi when they are easily east favorites and top 3 contender so far.

Right. Ainge is expecting to receive a pick from Sacto that is probably in the 4-9 range, and it suddenly vanishes like a fart in the wind. I’m sure he won’t care at all.

[Kindergarten Cop]

https://www.getmoresports.com/sheridan-next-destination-kawhi-leonard-handicapping-field/

What Kawhi Leonard wants doesn’t matter.

He is not going to Los Angeles…or any other destination in the Western Conference, sources are telling GetMoreSports.com.