Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

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Never Even though.

Yeah, seems like there might be some smoke to this. Typically you dont put even odds unless someone that makes odds for them has information from a trusted source.Well see if it plays out.

[BatManu20]

Never Even though.

True. I remain skeptical though. Just because.

[timvp]

Tbh, it's easier to talk myself into three years of DeRozan than it is talking myself into the Lakers trash, tbh.

[BatManu20]

I would much rather have Jimmy Butler than DeRozan. DeRozan will make spurs fans into believers in the regular season than shit on himself in the playoffs

Even worse, he would really hurt Aldridge's spacing. Having a SG who can't shoot 3's and long 2's is a real problem in 2018 NBA.

[BatManu20]

Imagine if we just swapped Kawhi for DeRozan straight up and didn't get OG :lol

[coachmac87]

Tbh, it's easier to talk myself into three years of DeRozan than it is talking myself into the Lakers trash, tbh.

This

[spurraider21]

Tbh, it's easier to talk myself into three years of DeRozan than it is talking myself into the Lakers trash, tbh.
Yeah.

Plus none of us want to see another "It Still Hurts" thread when Kawhi gets a Finals MVP on the Lakers in a few years.

[spurraider21]

Butler is much better than DeRozan. Does OG really tilt the scales?

[bklynspursfan]

Tbh, it's easier to talk myself into three years of DeRozan than it is talking myself into the Lakers trash, tbh.

Truth

[4lifecowboy]

What do Toronto have in terms of draft picks?

[MaNu4Tres]

The Vegas odds show that there may be rumors or rumblings or whatever, but we already know that. It's been reported by a few outlets and discussed here for the last 10 pages.

Keep in mind that Vegas is designed so that the house wins. They want people to pour money into things that are far from sure bets, even if the odds make it seem otherwise.

Not sure how familiar you are with Sportsbetting, but Vegas sees the MONEY coming in BEFORE they make their adjustments. This shows signs that people have put A LOT of money recently on Raptors for their own good reasons ( people know of information outside of the basic Woj/Sham/ect public media outlets to be putting heavy money on a bet).

And with Vegas its never about one bet, they have thousands of bets going on everyday, its all about the juice for them for the most part. But yes they have to shift lines according to how the money is coming in.

[bklynspursfan]

These odds change weekly. Wouldn't put much stock into it tbh. Lakers, Sixers, Suns, and now Raptors have all been the favorites at some point.


Never Even though.


The Vegas odds show that there may be rumors or rumblings or whatever, but we already know that. It's been reported by a few outlets and discussed here for the last 10 pages.

Keep in mind that Vegas is designed so that the house wins. They want people to pour money into things that are far from sure bets, even if the odds make it seem otherwise.

Agreed with all. And it's funny no 'major' outlet is really talking about a potential Toronto/Spurs deal. If it ain't LA, they don't care.

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Yeah.

Plus none of us want to see another "It Still Hurts" thread when Kawhi gets a Finals MVP on the Lakers in a few years.

It will probably still happen, tbh. But at least we wont havr to suffer the indignity of being a willing participant in him going to them.

[rastaspur]

Tbh, it's easier to talk myself into three years of DeRozan than it is talking myself into the Lakers trash, tbh.

If o.g. is included then i co-sign as well.

[DesignatedT]

Any chance Valanciunas is involved also?

[LkrFan]

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DeRozan for Kiwi and Danny Green?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycg9erv6

Do it RC!! :lmao

[rjv]

These odds change weekly. Wouldn't put much stock into it tbh. Lakers, Sixers, Suns, and now Raptors have all been the favorites at some point.

[ducks]

Which one? There are four living former presidents. Or there are the dead ones. Which one do you mean? I want to understand your joke.

Omaba

[Mr. Body]

Omaba

Oh, that's funny.

[TimDunkem]

Omaba

Wtf

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Oh, that's funny.

But not as funny as his ACA joke on the other thread, tbh.

[Seventyniner]

Butler is much better than DeRozan. Does OG really tilt the scales?

Minnesota not being willing to trade Butler is probably the holdup there.

And maybe Toronto is willing to part with more assets than just OG to get out of DeRozan's contract and gain a top 5 player, while a deal with Minnesota could just be a 1-for-1, with Butler not necessarily willing to re-sign next summer.

[spurraider21]

Minnesota not being willing to trade Butler is probably the holdup there.

And maybe Toronto is willing to part with more assets than just OG to get out of DeRozan's contract and gain a top 5 player, while a deal with Minnesota could just be a 1-for-1, with Butler not necessarily willing to re-sign next summer.
we'd get his bird rights. he'd re-up with the spurs for sure imo

[TheDoctor]

Imagine if we just swapped Kawhi for DeRozan straight up and didn't get OG :lol
#TheRape

[DesignatedT]

DeRozan, Poeltl, OG, 2020 1st or 2021 1st for Leonard, Gasol

[TimDunkem]

Eww Poeltl. Siakam instead, please.

[gambit1990]

Butler is much better than DeRozan. Does OG really tilt the scales?
would take butler over derozan + OG.

butler making $7 million a year less too. 2019-2020 is a player option... would rather lose butler after a year than have demar's contract on the books though.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

It's gonna be so depressing if the Raps get DeRozan. He's beyond awful and is absolute crap when his shot isn't falling. I'd rather Kawhi walk for nothing. Raptors always looked better in the playoffs when DeRozan was on the bench.

[gambit1990]

maybe derozan does well in the spurs system. still not crazy about trading for him though.

[Emperor]

maybe derozan does well in the spurs system. still not crazy about trading for him though.

I agree, he's a legit scorer, but if he can somewhat improve his defense like Aldridge did then it will be a HUGE plus for us.

[YoungbuckMurray]

Ill take Derozan,oj, and poeltl+ 1st for kawhitter and green/mills/ pau

[JH22]

SF- Kawhi Leonard $20,099,189 (1 year)
C- Pau Gasol $16,800,000 (2 years)
SG- Danny Green $10,000,000 (1 year)

Total: $46,899,199

To Toronto FOR:

SG- DeMar DeRozan $27,739,975 (3 years)
C- Jonas Valanciunas $16,539,326 (2 years)
SF- OG Anunoby $2,034,120 (3 years)

Total: $46,313,421

C- Jonas Valanciunas
PF- LaMarcus Aldridge
SF- OG Anunoby
SG- DeMar DeRozan
PG- Dejounte Murray

PF- Rudy Gay
PF- Davis Bertans
SG- Marco Belinelli
SG- Manu Ginobili
SG- Lonnie Walker
SG- Bryn Forbes
PG- Patty Mills
PG- Derrick White

[Leetonidas]

SF- Kawhi Leonard $20,099,189 (1 year)
C- Pau Gasol $16,800,000 (2 years)
SG- Danny Green $10,000,000 (1 year)

Total: $46,899,199

To Toronto FOR:

SG- DeMar DeRozan $27,739,975 (3 years)
C- Jonas Valanciunas $16,539,326 (2 years)
SF- OG Anunoby $2,034,120 (3 years)

Total: $46,313,421

C- Jonas Valanciunas
PF- LaMarcus Aldridge
SF- OG Anunoby
SG- DeMar DeRozan
PG- Dejounte Murray

PF- Rudy Gay
PF- Davis Bertans
SG- Marco Belinelli
SG- Manu Ginobili
SG- Lonnie Walker
SG- Bryn Forbes
PG- Patty Mills
PG- Derrick White

:vomit: the space in that SL is awful. Why would we want valancunias? Dude sucks

[-21-]

Eh, trading with the Raptors would be fine by me as long as it's not a straight up Kawhi-DeRozan swap. We gotta dump Pau or Patty and hopefully get Anunoby.

[spurraider21]

It's gonna be so depressing if the Raps get DeRozan. He's beyond awful and is absolute crap when his shot isn't falling. I'd rather Kawhi walk for nothing. Raptors always looked better in the playoffs when DeRozan was on the bench.
i have bad news. raptors got derozan a long time ago

[Chinook]

SF- Kawhi Leonard $20,099,189 (1 year)
C- Pau Gasol $16,800,000 (2 years)
SG- Danny Green $10,000,000 (1 year)

Total: $46,899,199

To Toronto FOR:

SG- DeMar DeRozan $27,739,975 (3 years)
C- Jonas Valanciunas $16,539,326 (2 years)
SF- OG Anunoby $2,034,120 (3 years)

Total: $46,313,421

C- Jonas Valanciunas
PF- LaMarcus Aldridge
SF- OG Anunoby
SG- DeMar DeRozan
PG- Dejounte Murray

PF- Rudy Gay
PF- Davis Bertans
SG- Marco Belinelli
SG- Manu Ginobili
SG- Lonnie Walker
SG- Bryn Forbes
PG- Patty Mills
PG- Derrick White

DeRozan is already mostly doodoo, though I could talk myself into DeMarr, Siakam and OG for Leonard and Mills, especially with future picks involved. But Val for Pau is negative for SA. The Spurs are already taking back enough made money.

[Mr. Body]

SF- Kawhi Leonard $20,099,189 (1 year)
C- Pau Gasol $16,800,000 (2 years)
SG- Danny Green $10,000,000 (1 year)

Total: $46,899,199

To Toronto FOR:

SG- DeMar DeRozan $27,739,975 (3 years)
C- Jonas Valanciunas $16,539,326 (2 years)
SF- OG Anunoby $2,034,120 (3 years)

Total: $46,313,421

C- Jonas Valanciunas
PF- LaMarcus Aldridge
SF- OG Anunoby
SG- DeMar DeRozan
PG- Dejounte Murray

PF- Rudy Gay
PF- Davis Bertans
SG- Marco Belinelli
SG- Manu Ginobili
SG- Lonnie Walker
SG- Bryn Forbes
PG- Patty Mills
PG- Derrick White

Just keep Gasol.

[baseline bum]

I would much rather have Jimmy Butler than DeRozan. DeRozan will make spurs fans into believers in the regular season than shit on himself in the playoffs

So we'd be basically trading for 2015 Kawhi?

[baseline bum]

Tbh, it's easier to talk myself into three years of DeRozan than it is talking myself into the Lakers trash, tbh.

So you hate Ingram too? No one would know who the hell he was if he played for Milwaukee, Phoenix, Atlanta, etc.

[KDKSpurs24]

DeRozan is already mostly doodoo, though I could talk myself into DeMarr, Siakam and OG for Leonard and Mills, especially with future picks involved. But Val for Pau is negative for SA. The Spurs are already taking back enough made money.
I highly doubt they take back Mills while giving up those young players. They already have Wright and Van Vleet.

[FkLA]

Yeah, why do so many people want Valanciunas? Those type of players are worthless in today's NBA. If you are a big either be a great defensive player + alley-oop threat, dominant scorer, or a stretch big. Otherwise GTFO.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, why do so many people want Valanciunas? Those type of players are worthless in today's NBA. If you are a big either be a great defensive player + alley-oop threat, dominant scorer, or a stretch big. Otherwise GTFO.

Maybe they were impressed by all those missed layups in the ECF. He could fill that Charles Smith role that has been absent on the Spurs since the late 90s.

[Chinook]

I highly doubt they take back Mills while giving up those young players. They already have Wright and Van Vleet.

I highly doubt the Raps get Leonard for doodoo, but if they are, they better be willing to take back Mills.

[KDKSpurs24]

I highly doubt the Raps get Leonard for doodoo, but if they are, they better be willing to take back Mills.
I want that to happen as well but I’m saying it’ll probably have to be Danny who they’d want based on their current roster construction.

[SpursDynasty85]

Minnesota not being willing to trade Butler is probably the holdup there.

And maybe Toronto is willing to part with more assets than just OG to get out of DeRozan's contract and gain a top 5 player, while a deal with Minnesota could just be a 1-for-1, with Butler not necessarily willing to re-sign next summer.

Agree. Minnesota should be stingier with their star players than the Spurs. When was the last big free agent signing in Minnesota?

[SpursDynasty85]

:vomit: the space in that SL is awful. Why would we want valancunias? Dude sucks

Jonas Valucianas does not suck and their aren't many better centers than him. Question is whether they would like to play in SS and fit the culture.

[slick'81]

Why so much talk about Toronto? Is there any proof toronto is even intrested ?

[LkrFan]

Man oh man I hope this happens:

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No way in hell he stays in Toronto. He will catch a 1-way flight to LAX next summer :lmao

[Chinook]

I want that to happen as well but I’m saying it’ll probably have to be Danny who they’d want based on their current roster construction.

But them having their ideal team isn't the main priority. They aren't giving enough as it is. It's like that Wizards fan on RealGM who kept trying to lower the Washington package for Kawhi. Didn't want to give up a pick. Didn't want to take back any money. Didn't want to swap Pau for Gortat (back then) because "Gasol's not really the center we need".

[Chinook]

Man oh man I hope this happens:

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No way in hell he stays in Toronto. He will catch a 1-way flight to LAX next summer :lmao

If the Spurs give up a pick in a Kawhi deal involving any less than Ben Simmons, I'll flip. Not that Poetl and OG are bad assets. But you don't pay for them when you're the team giving up the superstar.

Also that deal's illegal without SA sending out more ballast.

[Seventyniner]

If the Spurs give up a pick in a Kawhi deal involving any less than Ben Simmons, I'll flip. Not that Poetl and OG are bad assets. But you don't pay for them when you're the team giving up the superstar.

Also that deal's illegal without SA sending out more ballast.

Exactly. Flip that around to TOR sending SA a 2020 1st and we're getting closer, though not close enough for my liking.

[YoungbuckMurray]

Add siakam to that deal

[Chinook]

DeMarr, Siakam and OG (plus pick(s)) for Leonard and Mills

If the Spurs were to do the above trade, they'd have an outside chance at opening up a max slot next summer while having DeRozan, LMA, Murray, White, Walker and Beli all signed to contracts. It would involve them being able to renounce everyone else, including Bertans and Forbes, though, as well as trading away Pau's guarantee to avoid stretching him. In this scenario, the team would move on from Milutinov (or I guess stash him for yet another two years), but they'd keep their first-rounder. This is what it looks like in the Capulator with Nikola added on a three-year deal starting at the remainder of this year's MLE:

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=14044708955b47a7d6c030f265368840

Murray, White, (Vet PG)
Green, Belinelli, Forbes
DeRozan, OG, Walker
Siakam, Gay, Bertans
Aldridge, Gasol, Milutinov

That's not a bad lineup, though spacing is an issue unless White starts for Murray.

[phxspurfan]

Man oh man I hope this happens:

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No way in hell he stays in Toronto. He will catch a 1-way flight to LAX next summer :lmao

Wow and we have to give a 1st. F that

[FkLA]

Jonas Valucianas does not suck and their aren't many better centers than him.

Wut?

Embiid
Cousins
KAT
Capella
Porzingis
Gobert
Marc Gasol
Jordan
Horford
Drummond
Adams
Myles Turner
Jokic

PF/C Hybrids
Anthony Davis
LMA
Draymond
Love


All guys I would much much rather have over Valuncunias.

[Chinook]

Exactly. Flip that around to TOR sending SA a 2020 1st and we're getting closer, though not close enough for my liking.

It's hard to figure out what's "enough", but I had Toronto sending out Siakam, OG and a 2020 first while taking back Mills to make up the value gap between Leonard and DeRozan. Poetl may well be better than Pascal, but the latter is cheaper and makes more sense in a world where Gasol stays on the team. The team needs forwards way more than centers now, especially with Milutinov still theoretically on tap.

[marinoman]

Man oh man I hope this happens:

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No way in hell he stays in Toronto. He will catch a 1-way flight to LAX next summer :lmao

To join the clippers

[marinoman]

So we'd be basically trading for 2015 Kawhi?
Id much prefer that to a guy we’d bench in the playoffs

[FkLA]

It's hard to figure out what's "enough", but I had Toronto sending out Siakam, OG and a 2020 first while taking back Mills to make up the value gap between Leonard and DeRozan. Poetl may well be better than Pascal, but the latter is cheaper and makes more sense in a world where Gasol stays on the team. The team needs forwards way more than centers now, especially with Milutinov still theoretically on tap.

I mean, we have to look at it from their perspective too. If they were getting the quitter long-term then I could understand having really high demands but they're not. They're basically trading for the ability to shed DeRozan's contract and start over since their core is going nowhere, the 1-year rental is just gravy.

[BatManu20]

Man oh man I hope this happens:

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No way in hell he stays in Toronto. He will catch a 1-way flight to LAX next summer :lmao

Saw that tweet yesterday. It's from a troll account. Zero sources. And Spurs aren't giving up a pick, no matter what the deal is.

[spurraider21]

I mean, we have to look at it from their perspective too. If they were getting the quitter long-term then I could understand having really high demands but they're not. They're basically trading for the ability to shed DeRozan's contract and start over since their core is going nowhere, the 1-year rental is just gravy.
getting an elite player on a team that was just the #1 seed right after lebron leaves the east is way more than gravy. they also acquire his bird rights

[TimDunkem]

Doubt the Spurs even trade Kawhi this summer, but if I'm dealing with the Raps I wouldn't take any less than DD, Siakam (fuck Poeltl), OG, and a pick.

[exstatic]

If the Spurs give up a pick in a Kawhi deal involving any less than Ben Simmons, I'll flip. Not that Poetl and OG are bad assets. But you don't pay for them when you're the team giving up the superstar.

Also that deal's illegal without SA sending out more ballast.

Kawhi's a rental, and they know that. Demar has 3 years on his deal. Toronto is realistic enough to know that they're not getting a superstar, they're renting one for a year while clearing cap room.

OG Anunoby makes this worth it. 6'8" solid build, freaking 7'6" wingspan, and shot 37% on 3s last year for Toronto. That's why the pick is thrown in.

I would imagine that either Danny or Patty would be included.

[Dverde]

Spurs would have to include more in that trade package. Derozen makes 7M more than Kiwi. It would have to include Green, Patty, or Gasol unless a third team is involved.

[superbigtime]

poeltl looks like another Joff. no way spurs should send a pick.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Give em Patty too please.

[Spurs da champs]

https://i.imgur.com/xTgKEQm.gif?noredirect


Doubt the Spurs even trade Kawhi this summer, but if I'm dealing with the Raps I wouldn't take any less than DD, Siakam (fuck Poeltl), OG, and a pick.
This.

[ducks]

Leonard could be the face of Canada a whole country

[mo7888]

Kawhi's a rental, and they know that. Demar has 3 years on his deal. Toronto is realistic enough to know that they're not getting a superstar, they're renting one for a year while clearing cap room.

OG Anunoby makes this worth it. 6'8" solid build, freaking 7'6" wingspan, and shot 37% on 3s last year for Toronto. That's why the pick is thrown in.

I would imagine that either Danny or Patty would be included.

I think he's more than a rental. There is a risk that he leaves but, in the end, he'll sign with Toronto for 184M over 136M with the clips or Lakers.

[Brazil]

:lol even for one year, I'm laughing at the idea to see Kiwi with dat ugly raptor jersey and see him freezing his balls in Canada

[JPB]

Not sure who you think I am, but OK. And again I am not a insider, have never claimed to be, have no connection to the Spurs (besides being a fan), and qualified the circumstance of the second hand information I was told

Look, as I said, I'm done with all the no lifers coming here with their mysterious "connexions" and "second hand" infos that already all over the Internet before they post it here, as Ducks proved it two minutes after you pulled your sauce.

If it can make you make live some kind of dream or fantasy. Good for you. What matters is the trade now.

[Dverde]

Give em Patty too please.

It has to be Green. They have plenty of PG and bigs. Green is expiring and would give them plenty of cap space to offer up on Kawhi or another 2019 free agent.

[superbigtime]

Derozan to be a Spur? I mean YUCK.

[TD 21]

Thinking about it some more, if it happens, I suspect it would be Leonard and Green for DeRozan, Anunoby and Poeltl (basically a young Splitter and Spurs clearly like C's in that mold). I'd rather Leonard and Mills for Lowry, Anunoby and Poeltl, though.

Lowry is 3 years older than DeRozan, but clearly better and with 1 season less left on his contract. Spurs could remain among elite in that time, then practically empty the books in 2 years, with only cap holds or entry level contracts for Poeltl, Murray, Anunoby, White, Walker, '19 and '20 1sts.

With DeRozan, they'd probably have to wait a year longer to do that, the spacing would be tighter, the defense worse and with Mills also kept, it would probably be 2 years (when Belinelli is up) to open up a rotation spot for Walker.




OG Anunoby makes this worth it. 6'8" solid build, freaking 7'6" wingspan, and shot 37% on 3s last year for Toronto. That's why the pick is thrown in.

He's closer to 6'7'' and his wingspan is 7'2.25''.

http://stats.nba.com/draft/combine-anthro/#!?sort=WINGSPAN&dir=1&SeasonYear=2017-18

[JPB]

:lol even for one year, I'm laughing at the idea to see Kiwi with dat ugly raptor jersey and see him freezing his balls in Canada

:pop: "I'll do everything to make you happy, Kawhi"

:stirpot:

[FvckMavs]

Leonard could be the face of Canada a whole country

The best part of the trade is not just getting anything valuable back, but sending his ass to Canada.

[JPB]

Lakers fans are having a Kawhitus Interruptus right now.

[SpursDynasty85]

Wut?

Embiid
Cousins
KAT
Capella
Porzingis
Gobert
Marc Gasol
Jordan
Horford
Drummond
Adams
Myles Turner
Jokic

PF/C Hybrids
Anthony Davis
LMA
Draymond
Love


All guys I would much much rather have over Valuncunias.

I'll disagree. Jonas has solid bball IQ and good post up ability. Also can take punishment. I'll put him on a similar level with Steven Adam's. Capella will suck in most non Dantoni systems. Porzingis will get killed in the post. He is just a tall wing. Love is a pf. Gobert is terrible. DeAndre Jordan is terrible. Cousins and KAT more talented but I wouldn't want them on my team.

[spurraider21]

I'll disagree. Jonas has solid bball IQ and good post up ability. Also can take punishment. I'll put him on a similar level with Steven Adam's. Capella will suck in most non Dantoni systems. Porzingis will get killed in the post. He is just a tall wing. Love is a pf. Gobert is terrible. DeAndre Jordan is terrible. Cousins and KAT more talented but I wouldn't want them on my team.
i've never seen so much wrong with one post

and spurtacular posts here all the time

[MaNu4Tres]

It's hard to figure out what's "enough", but I had Toronto sending out Siakam, OG and a 2020 first while taking back Mills to make up the value gap between Leonard and DeRozan. Poetl may well be better than Pascal, but the latter is cheaper and makes more sense in a world where Gasol stays on the team. The team needs forwards way more than centers now, especially with Milutinov still theoretically on tap.

Find a third team to take on Patty deal. Toronto has no need for him.

That could he holding up the deal ( Patty to third team, or Spurs giving them Danny)

[ceperez]

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2018/7/12/17565160/kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-las-vegas-summer-league-spotted

Hanging out with Jonathon Simmons.

So could it be that Kawhi was upset that Spurs didn't sign Simmons and got Gay, Gasol and Patty instead?

Is that why he practically didn't play at all last year?

[Chinook]

Find a third team to take on Patty deal. Toronto has no need for him

Toronto can find that team. The Spurs aren't obligated to fix Toronto's roster distribution.

[-21-]

Find a third team to take on Patty deal. Toronto has no need for him
Orlando needs a PG

[superbigtime]

If a trade goes down, got to lose some dead weight.

[MaNu4Tres]

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2018/7/12/17565160/kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-las-vegas-summer-league-spotted

Hanging out with Jonathon Simmons.

So could it be that Kawhi was upset that Spurs didn't sign Simmons and got Gay, Gasol and Patty instead?

Is that why he practically didn't play at all last year?

No, but I think it played a small role in Kawhis unhappiness.

Kawhi & Sims were tight.

[-21-]

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2018/7/12/17565160/kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-las-vegas-summer-league-spotted

Hanging out with Jonathon Simmons.

So could it be that Kawhi was upset that Spurs didn't sign Simmons and got Gay, Gasol and Patty instead?

Is that why he practically didn't play at all last year?

That's not the reason he sat out but I definitely think Kawhi wanted Simms and Dedmon back. Simmons and him are buddies.

[Chinook]

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2018/7/12/17565160/kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-las-vegas-summer-league-spotted

Hanging out with Jonathon Simmons.

So could it be that Kawhi was upset that Spurs didn't sign Simmons and got Gay, Gasol and Patty instead?

Is that why he practically didn't play at all last year?

That REALLY doesn't look like Simmons.

Anyway, it's only a good thing is Kawhi's in Vegas. Either he's talking to other teams or he's talking to RC.

[MaNu4Tres]

That REALLY doesn't look like Simmons.

Anyway, it's only a good thing is Kawhi's in Vegas. Either he's talking to other teams or he's talking to RC.

Kawhis right. Its Sims.

[MaNu4Tres]

Toronto can find that team. The Spurs aren't obligated to fix Toronto's roster distribution.

Thats not how it works w three team deals. Its a collective effort to get the deal done. If the third team taking on Mills hinges on the deal, SA may have to help Toronto.

[Chinook]

Thats not how it works w three team deals. Its a collective effort to get the deal done. If the third team taking on Mills hinges on the deal, SA may have to help Toronto.

It's totally how it works in three-team deal. Toronto is trying to buy Leonard. It's up them to meet SA's price. It's like SAing SA has to find a third team to take Ball and Deng for LAL. Nope. That's the Lakers' job.

[Chinook]

Kawhis right. Its Sims.

With his head down?

[SpursDynasty85]

i've never seen so much wrong with one post

and spurtacular posts here all the time

The guys i say suck, do really suck. The other guys are so different and bring different things to the table. Valucianas ish a traditional center with above average agility and skills. Doesn't jump out the gym or hit 3s. Just solid. Spurs would love to have him I'm sure over those other guys I posted. Capella is a question mark. He is good but not sure how he would handle a role outside of CP3 and Harde passing to him.

[mo7888]

Question: what is Derozen's value elsewhere around the league? He's locked up for 3 years. Does he have positive value if we flipped him to the Lakers, Philly, etc etc?

Personally, I don't like his game and I don't think he helps us compete for a championship the next 3 years. I'd rather keep OG and the other assets and send DD elsewhere for cap space and more assets if there is a market.

[ceperez]

With his head down?

The tweet says "jonathan", I'm guessing he spelled it wrong. But, know any other jonathan??

[JPB]

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2018/7/12/17565160/kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-las-vegas-summer-league-spotted

Hanging out with Jonathon Simmons.

So could it be that Kawhi was upset that Spurs didn't sign Simmons and got Gay, Gasol and Patty instead?

Is that why he practically didn't play at all last year?

Could be all part of that "control" issue the group is upset with. They probably wanted to be treated as LeGM and have a word on PATFO decisions.

[TD 21]

Find a third team to take on Patty deal. Toronto has no need for him.

That could he holding up the deal ( Patty to third team, or Spurs giving them Danny)

They could if the Spurs take Lowry instead of DeRozan. The Raptors would probably prefer to trade DeRozan over Lowry in this scenario and avoid taking the Mills contract altogether though.

Aldridge, Anunoby, Gasol, Green, Lowry

Gay, Belinelli, Poeltl/Bertans, White, Murray

Next off season, waive/stretch Gasol and let Green walk, opening up rotation spots for both instead of one of Poeltl/Bertans, as well as Walker.

[Chinook]

The tweet says "jonathan", I'm guessing he spelled it wrong. But, know any other jonathan??

... Is that a joke?

[ceperez]

A trade for Leonard into the eastern conference practically guarantees a finals appearance for that team. So a one year rental is worth it for an eastern team.

[Chinook]

They could if the Spurs take Lowry instead of DeRozan. The Raptors would probably prefer to trade DeRozan over Lowry in this scenario and avoid taking the Mills contract altogether though.

Aldridge, Anunoby, Gasol, Green, Lowry

Gay, Belinelli, Poeltl/Bertans, White, Murray

Then waive/stretch Gasol and let Green walk, opening up rotation spots for both instead of one of Poeltl/Bertans, as well as Walker.

There's no point in stretching Gasol if the Spurs are trading for Lowry. They won't be a player for cap space anyway and shouldn't take on dead money in future years for nothing. With DeRozan's smaller deal, at least there's a chance they could get a real near-max slot.

[SpaceCoast Spursfan]

Look, as I said, I'm done with all the no lifers coming here with their mysterious "connexions" and "second hand" infos that already all over the Internet before they post it here, as Ducks proved it two minutes after you pulled your sauce.

If it can make you make live some kind of dream or fantasy. Good for you. What matters is the trade now.

The only thing I did was pass along information. I am well aware that Toronto was in play as I had already made a post in regard to trading with Toronto based on internet sources/rumors 2 days ago. I have also commented on Lakers/Boston.

I shared this because it wasn't the Raptors are a possibility or leader in trade bid, but that 1)the deal was done, 2) preferred a third team 3) Toronto believed they had a deal in place even if third partner failed to emerge.

This trade may not happen or maybe it does, but simply offering info that I know came from a potentially legitimate source. It's not like I am going to come on this board and seek credit for breaking a story, nor am I likely to have any kinda of Spurs news in the future (unless it happens to involve Orlando, and even then not high probability)

[spurraider21]

That's not the reason he sat out but I definitely think Kawhi wanted Simms and Dedmon back. Simmons and him are buddies.
can't blame him.

gave pau 3/48 but let dedmon walk for 2/14

[ceperez]

... Is that a joke?

The tweet says he is with Simmons. Know any jonathan simmons?

[SpurOutofTownFan]

what the fuck 529 pages???

[buttsR4rebounding]

I'll disagree. Jonas has solid bball IQ and good post up ability. Also can take punishment. I'll put him on a similar level with Steven Adam's. Capella will suck in most non Dantoni systems. Porzingis will get killed in the post. He is just a tall wing. Love is a pf. Gobert is terrible. DeAndre Jordan is terrible. Cousins and KAT more talented but I wouldn't want them on my team.

What a waste of your 1,000 post.

[marinoman]

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2018/7/12/17565160/kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-las-vegas-summer-league-spotted

Hanging out with Jonathon Simmons.

So could it be that Kawhi was upset that Spurs didn't sign Simmons and got Gay, Gasol and Patty instead?

Is that why he practically didn't play at all last year?
It seems pretty obvious kawhis group convinced him he needs a bigger market to get the endorsements, credit and love he feels he deserves. And La feels comfortable so that’s the place. And then Uncle Dennis lives in philly which is also a big market so now reports are he’ll probably sign an extension if traded there

[RD2191]

This shit is getting old. PATFO needs to move him or kill the trade rumors.

[marinoman]

:lol even for one year, I'm laughing at the idea to see Kiwi with dat ugly raptor jersey and see him freezing his balls in Canada
Meh I could see him getting flipped to the lakers before the trade deadline

[JPB]

Question: what is Derozen's value elsewhere around the league? He's locked up for 3 years. Does he have positive value if we flipped him to the Lakers, Philly, etc etc?

Personally, I don't like his game and I don't think he helps us compete for a championship the next 3 years. Is rather keep OG and the other assets and send DD elsewhere for cap space and more assets if there is a market.

The good and the bad thing is that he's not a real Alpha or a clear n°1 option, meaning that LMA could probably live with him.

A poor man's LMA, Rudy, DdR big three could coexist and even let some space for Dijon and other youngsters to develop.

[Pavlov]

This shit is getting old. PATFO needs to move him or kill the trade rumors.lol it's been three weeks.

[BatManu20]

Spurs wouldn't get Valenciunas back in the deal. It would be DD + OG + Siakam + draft pick if RC has any wits about him.

[TD 21]

Spurs aren't getting both Anunoby and Siakam. The Raptors aren't trading their only 2 viable forwards (sure, they'd get Leonard back, but if as expected he left in a year, then what?), on a roster that's long needed more to begin with. It'll be Poeltl. He's Spurs material in personality and game and would fill a need going forward, plus with Valanciunas, Ibaka and presumably Nogueira being re-signed in this scenario, the Raptors could afford to part with him.



There's no point in stretching Gasol if the Spurs are trading for Lowry. They won't be a player for cap space anyway and shouldn't take on dead money in future years for nothing. With DeRozan's smaller deal, at least there's a chance they could get a real near-max slot.

Fair enough. Was thinknig more so along the lines of clearing up a rotation spot more so than financially.

The alternative would just be letting Gay walk. Not only would his shot creation not be as necessary with essentially a younger, better version in DeRozan (I know I said I preferred Lowry, but if this happens, it'll be DeRozan), but he'd have to be played almost exclusively with the bench, otherwise he'd further compromise the spacing issues in the starting lineup.

[FkLA]

I'll disagree. Jonas has solid bball IQ and good post up ability. Also can take punishment. I'll put him on a similar level with Steven Adam's. Capella will suck in most non Dantoni systems. Porzingis will get killed in the post. He is just a tall wing. Love is a pf. Gobert is terrible. DeAndre Jordan is terrible. Cousins and KAT more talented but I wouldn't want them on my team.

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[Chinook]

Fair enough. Was thinknig more so along the lines of clearing up a rotation spot more so than financially.

The alternative would just be letting Gay walk. Not only would his shot creation not be as necessary with essentially a younger, better version in DeRozan (I know I said I preferred Lowry, but if this happens, it'll be DeRozan), but he'd have to be played almost exclusively with the bench, otherwise he'd further compromise the spacing issues in the starting lineup.

I mean, they could and should waive Pau next summer. They just won't stretch him. They'll take all $7 Million on next year's cap and still not have any tax issues going forward.

[Dverde]

Spurs want to keep Patty. Losing Parker will concrete his spot on the roster. I really think it will be Danny or Pau Gasol. Brandon Paul might be added to dump some salary.

[FkLA]

Kawhi is not "tight" with any NBA player. Maybe for his standards, he mumbled to Simms a little more than he did to everyone else but lol at the notion that that had anything to with his unhappiness.

[hater]

As Insaid Cancerburger starts next season and I am switching to Parkers and Mute Cancers team and if Mite Cancer remains I am rooting for Parkers alone

[sasaint]

Man oh man I hope this happens:

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No way in hell he stays in Toronto. He will catch a 1-way flight to LAX next summer :lmao

Whoever said Siakim instead of Poetl hit the nail on the head.

[RD2191]

lol it's been three weeks.

And I'm already fed up :lol

[spurraider21]

I mean, they could and should waive Pau next summer. They just won't stretch him. They'll take all $7 Million on next year's cap and still not have any tax issues going forward.:nope:nope
why did they stretch duncan? did they use cap room that summer?

[Namundy]

Y’all ever been to Canada? It’s beautiful. Yeah it’s cold for a Cali boy but is pretty damn legit.

[mo7888]

The good and the bad thing is that he's not a real Alpha or a clear n°1 option, meaning that LMA could probably live with him.

A poor man's LMA, Rudy, DdR big three could coexist and even let some space for Dijon and other youngsters to develop.

I get it but, I difference between having DD or having the assets he would bring is the difference between a 5th seed and a 7th seed. I'd rather be a 7th seed with younger guys and have more than max cap space next summer.

[Dre_7]

That's not the reason he sat out but I definitely think Kawhi wanted Simms and Dedmon back. Simmons and him are buddies.

Well then as the Franchise player he should have talked to Pop about keeping him. I bet he didn't say a word and just kept it all inside. Pop is the GOAT coach but he can't read minds. Simmons wanted to go, if Kawhi wanted him to stay he should have spoke up.

[JPB]

I'll disagree. Jonas has solid bball IQ and good post up ability. Also can take punishment. I'll put him on a similar level with Steven Adam's. Capella will suck in most non Dantoni systems. Porzingis will get killed in the post. He is just a tall wing. Love is a pf. Gobert is terrible. DeAndre Jordan is terrible. Cousins and KAT more talented but I wouldn't want them on my team.

I think I've never seen a bigger BS density in my life. The more you read it, the more you discover.

It's like a BS black hole attracting all the BS around.

[-21-]

Well then as the Franchise player he should have talked to Pop about keeping him. I bet he didn't say a word and just kept it all inside. Pop is the GOAT coach but he can't read minds. Simmons wanted to go, if Kawhi wanted him to stay he should have spoke up.

Good point. I didn't think of that tbh :lol You're probably right about him not saying a word.

[emanueldavidginobili]

On Sportsnation right now Nick Depaula “senior sneaker head” says Kawhi just turned down a 4 year Jordan Deal. Only worth up to 20 mil. They said only 20 mil because his last tweet was 3 years ago and has no Instagram lol. Klay Thompson just signed a sneaker deal in China for up to 80 mil lol.

[TD 21]

As much as I dislike DeRozan's game and as hideous as they'd be to watch, given the situation, I could understand the rationale. Anunoby and Poeltl are comparable to Covington and Saric and the '21 Heat 1st is highly unlikely to reach the heights of DeRozan (top 30 player).

Even if they wanted and/or could get Fultz, they'd be hoping he could become a top 30 player. Same goes for Ingram and financially, it would be extremely difficult to pull off a trade with them now. Besides, with their refusal to include Kuzma and probably Ball, that leaves nothing more than minor assets.

Spurs could still win 50+, possibly a round, have 5 interesting young players (with the possible exception of Walker, probably all role players, but good ones) and a relatively clean cap sheet moving forward. There are worse things and no scenario is likely to lead to anything better.


I mean, they could and should waive Pau next summer. They just won't stretch him. They'll take all $7 Million on next year's cap and still not have any tax issues going forward.

:nope:nope
:tu

[BatManu20]

This is likely all a smokescreen tbh. Spurs using TOR as leverage to get more from Philly.

[Chinook]

why did they stretch duncan? did they use cap room that summer?

Yes. On Gasol.

[BatManu20]

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[Dre_7]

Good point. I didn't think of that tbh :lol You're probably right about him not saying a word.

For the record my comment was directed at Kawhi, not you. Hope I didn't sound like an asshole (unlike most on ST :lol)

[Pavlov]

1017469721115938816That's a little nutty. He does have great potential but he wasn't even the best player on his team.

[Emperor]

So would Siakam be our Kyle replacement? If so count me in. From the few Raptor games i saw his defense was solid and the kids hustles. Could be a poor man's Draymond Green for us tbh.

[BatManu20]

Lonnie's new profile pic on twitter


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1017229754557128706/XJzpRawj_400x400.jpg

[FkLA]

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We sure he's not confusing him with White? Otherwise, that's one stupid basketball ops person, tbh.

[JPB]

As much as I dislike DeRozan's game, given the situation, I could understand the rationale. Anunoby and Poeltl are comparable to Covington and Saric and the '21 Heat 1st is highly unlikely to reach the heights of DeRozan (top 30 player).

Even if they wanted and/or could get Fultz, they'd be hoping he could become a top 30 player. Same goes for Ingram and financially, it would be extremely difficult to pull off a trade with them now. Besides, with their refusal to include Kuzma and probably Ball, that leaves nothing more than minor assets.

Spurs could still win 50+, possibly a round, have 5 interesting young players (with the possible exception of Walker, probably all role players, but good ones) and a relatively clean cap sheet moving forward. There are worse things and no scenario is likely to lead to anything better.



:tu

Don't forget the part where they screw the group. I'm not joking, I'm sure it plays a part in Pop's decision.

Could also be Poker play to some extent to show other teams, which have lowballed them so far, that they have leverage and are about to pull a trade to force them to react and up their offers.

You can be sure that RC's line is busy right now.

Edit :


This is likely all a smokescreen tbh. Spurs using TOR as leverage to get more from Philly.

Didn't see your post :tu

[Texas_Ranger]

Out of all the trades this one with Toronto seems like the best one and i am no fan of Derozan. But i still prefer him over ingram or kuzma and tobias harris.

[slick'81]

If a trade goes down, got to lose some dead weight.


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Clearly kid has upside and is a very good athlete

[JPB]

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Not saying kid can't play but you can read that stuff one million times every summer.

Then for the 10% of occasions when it materializes "Told you !"

[Mr. Body]

Not saying kid can't play but you can read that stuff one million times every summer.

Then for the 10% of occasions when it materializes "Told you !"

Except this ops guy said it anonymously.

[r0drig0lac]

No, but I think it played a small role in Kawhis unhappiness.

Kawhi & Sims were tight.

[Ocotillo]

He hasn't even been the best Spur tbh. That'd be Derrick White. But he's definitely shown flashes of his upside.

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Like every other Spurs draft pick, I have high hopes but I think some of these comments are based on the PATFO reputation for getting talent that has generally performed better than the draft position indicated it should.

[Spurs9]

He hasn't even been the best Spur tbh. That'd be Derrick White. But he's definitely shown flashes of his upside.

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Has that dude watched any other players like Sexton?

[coachmac87]

We sure he's not confusing him with White? Otherwise, that's one stupid basketball ops person, tbh.

Walker is 19....

White is 24....


So yeah I kinda see where he’s coming from

[dbestpro]

Poetl and OG both have great potential. Could really be a foundation with our youthful guards.

[Pavlov]

Like every other Spurs draft pick, I have high hopes but I think some of these comments are based on the PATFO reputation for getting talent that has generally performed better than the draft position indicated it should.Maybe. I have to think he was just talking about potential. To me Lonnie looks like an NBA player who just makes terrible decisions. For a 19 year old who hasn't played a minute of NBA basketball, that's actually very exciting.

[rjv]

To me Lonnie looks like an NBA player who just makes terrible decisions. For a 19 year old who hasn't played a minute of NBA basketball, that's actually very exciting.

[Mr. Body]

Maybe. I have to think he was just talking about potential. To me Lonnie looks like an NBA player who just makes terrible decisions. For a 19 year old who hasn't played a minute of NBA basketball, that's actually very exciting.

Walker absolutely passes the eye test.

[SpursDynasty85]

Maybe. I have to think he was just talking about potential. To me Lonnie looks like an NBA player who just makes terrible decisions. For a 19 year old who hasn't played a minute of NBA basketball, that's actually very exciting.

He doesn't get enough separation when he looks for the ball and so he doesn't get the pass. When he does get the ball he rushes things a bit. His pick and roll game is definitely amateur. Other than that, he has been pretty darn good and exciting.

[benefactor]

:lol Spurs fans talking themselves into DeRozan...I wouldn't take him for nothing.

[Killakobe81]

Has that dude watched any other players like Sexton?

Out of rooks not counting Josh JACKSON, Isaacs or Josh Hart who played last year...
But Sexton, Carter Jr, Knox and WaLker have been some of the more impressive rookies. Ayton has shown flashes too.
I thought this draft was overrated but it may end up better than last year's.. Though iI would still take Tatum over anyone in this class I think this group is gonna be deeper.

[DJR210]

Derozan is a career loser who will never amount to shit. No thanks.

[KDKSpurs24]

I highly doubt Spurs get all of this but I would be really happy if they’re able to land DeRozan, OG AND Siakam. I feel like it would keep the team competitive while also having a lot of exciting young players to grow into something special.

[BatManu20]

Just realized only the last SL game was in Vegas. The others where White was our best player were in Utah. Vegas is the key word there.

[-21-]

For the record my comment was directed at Kawhi, not you. Hope I didn't sound like an asshole (unlike most on ST :lol)

Oh yeah, I got that. No worries. :lol

[KDKSpurs24]

Derozan is a career loser who will never amount to shit. No thanks.
You don’t think Spurs system can change that a bit?

[Pavlov]

He doesn't get enough separation when he looks for the ball and so he doesn't get the pass. When he does get the ball he rushes things a bit. His pick and roll game is definitely amateur. Other than that, he has been pretty darn good and exciting.His decisions on multiplayer fastbreaks are atrocious. Forces bad shots with plenty of shot clock left. All totally fixable.

[TD 21]

Don't forget the part where they screw the group. I'm not joking, I'm sure it plays a part in Pop's decision.

Could also be Poker play to some extent to show other teams, which have lowballed them so far, that they have leverage and are about to pull a trade to force them to react and up their offers.

You can be sure that RC's line is busy right now.

Edit :



Didn't see your post :tu

Wouldn't really be screwing him. The Raptors would have a chance to make the Finals, the roster would fit well around him and Toronto is regarded as a world class city.

Sure, it could be leverage or the whole thing could be made up or overblown, but given the underwhelming offers and the Spurs likely intentions, it's probably and unfortunately realistic.

[DJR210]

You don’t think Spurs system can change that a bit?

Wouldn't want to invest.. Dude is 30.

He also deals with anxiety issues and panic disorder. We don't need another mentally challenged player here to tread carefully around.

[BatManu20]

Wouldn't want to invest.. Dude is 30.

He also deals with anxiety issues and panic disorder. We don't need another mentally challenged player here to tread carefully around.

:lol He's 28 (29 next month) so right in the middle of his prime, and while definitely flawed, he's still better than the other shit offers we've been reportedly getting.

I personally think we're using TOR as leverage to get more from Philly, but OG is definitely an intriguing prospect that I think PATFO would like to have.

[KDKSpurs24]

Wouldn't want to invest.. Dude is 30.

He also deals with anxiety issues and panic disorder. We don't need another mentally challenged player here to tread carefully around.
He’s about to be 29. And he’ll be like 31 after those 3 years are up. Staying competitive while these young promising guys like Walker, White, Murray, (maybe OG Annunoby), and other young players grow and get better.

[SpursDynasty85]

:lol He's 28 (29 next month) so right in the middle of his prime, and while definitely flawed, he's still better than the other shit offers we've been reportedly getting.

I personally think we're using TOR as leverage to get more from Philly, but OG is definitely an intriguing prospect that I think PATFO would like to have.

Agree. Toronto sounds like the escape plan should the other teams not give fair offers. To be fair the other teams have a perfectly acceptable choice to stay pat. We are engaging teams with plenty of talent. Lakers on the other hand I am sure we are being extra stubborn with them.

[Dverde]

Just saying, Raptors do have a Klaw as their logo...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Walker hadn't even been to training camp yet. What's important in SL is if a guy looks like he belongs athletically. Lonnie does.

He's used to jungle ball in college, the Spurs will plug him in to the system and we'll see what he's got for real. Gotta remember he's playing mostly with summer league fodder who are all trying to show themselves off for a deal.

[LkrFan]

Last year...
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This year...
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:wow

[Holden_Caulfield]

Send him to Orlando. I want bamba Isaac a 1st and AG. Do it RC

[ECOV]

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This kid is going to be special , every player has to work on his game . you can't see stars 100% of the time but they are there :bobo

[ECOV]

We are up to the point where we have to think about the year 2020 ..golden state is most likely going to win next year but teams shouldnt give in of course ..still try to win now while going off in the year 2020

[monkeypunk]

I don’t see why TO would give up quality young assets for a rental? Derozan, I can see but not the youngblood...

[dubross]

I would defInitley take Toronto’s deal centered around Derozan more than any rumored deal out there. Derozan is probably the best player we could fetch in a deal for Kawhi and OG and other assets it would be a good get for the Spurs. Lakers, Sixers, Clippers deals are trash compared to the Raports deal and the raptors deal isn’t that great. It’s good but not great.

[Dverde]

When Kawhi misses turning down daughters he calls Simmons. He’s got like five of them and they are demanding

[exstatic]

I don’t see why TO would give up quality young assets for a rental? Derozan, I can see but not the youngblood...
DD is essentially a soft salary dump, a case of buyer's remorse. The assets are mostly to offload his remaining 3 years.

[exstatic]

When Kawhi misses turning down daughters he calls Simmons. He’s got like five of them and they are demanding

Savage. :lol

[SAGirl]

Kawhi is not "tight" with any NBA player. Maybe for his standards, he mumbled to Simms a little more than he did to everyone else but lol at the notion that that had anything to with his unhappiness.
Agreed FkLA. I know I made a comment about you calling out guys with sauces... But it has been taken to the extreme. From that photo, one cannot see the dudes face. Even if it was JSimms (which is unconfirmed), it doesn't mean anything. Maybe even ran into him like you would run into co-worker. Kawhi doesn't have banana boat friends.

[monkeypunk]

DD is essentially a soft salary dump, a case of buyer's remorse. The assets are mostly to offload his remaining 3 years.

Fair enough, thanks!

[Budkin]

Still would rather have Kawhi play and lose him for nothing than do any of these shit deals.

[marinoman]

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[tonight...you]

Still would rather have Kawhi play and lose him for nothing than do any of these shit deals.
Prepare to be disappointed homie. I'm with you though.

[exstatic]

Still would rather have Kawhi play and lose him for nothing than do any of these shit deals.

If you can get a 4X AS, 2X All NBA guy, and a development project like Anunoby and another piece or two, and maybe offload a contract, you do it. DD doesn't have to be the guy here. I don't think you can get a better 'win now' deal than TOR.

LA, Phi, and Bos deals are all shit. I would let him walk in lieu of any of those three.

[gambit1990]

spurs shouldn't trade him before the team usa minicamp.

[tonight...you]

spurs shouldn't trade him before the team usa minicamp.
Why? He ain't showing.

[exstatic]

spurs shouldn't trade him before the team usa minicamp.

Why not?

[Pavlov]

If you can get a 4X AS, 2X All NBA guy, and a development project like Anunoby and another piece or two, and maybe offload a contract, you do it. DD doesn't have to be the guy here. I don't think you can get a better 'win now' deal than TOR.

LA, Phi, and Bos deals are all shit. I would let him walk in lieu of any of those three.Toronto's deal is OK if it includes the right young players. I still wouldn't mind a Laker deal with Ingram, but I have a higher opinion of him that many here.

[tonight...you]

Why not?
Lol... we both gave two sides of the coin with the simplest of questions.
Nice.

[Spurs da champs]

Toronto's deal would be A1 if you replace that scrub Poelti with Siakam. Philly's trade scenarios are just terrible. And the Lakers can't be serious not including Ingram.

[exstatic]

Toronto's deal is OK if it includes the right young players. I still wouldn't mind a Laker deal with Ingram, but I have a higher opinion of him that many here.

Yeah, except Ingram isn't on the table. It's Hart and maybe Kuzma. Shit deal.

[gambit1990]

Why? He ain't showing.

Why not?
if kawhi goes and is healthy his abilities will be on full display and his trade value will rise.

[Pavlov]

Yeah, except Ingram isn't on the table. It's Hart and maybe Kuzma. Shit deal.Yep. So thumbs down.

[tonight...you]

if kawhi goes and is healthy his abilities will be on full display and his trade value will rise.
But he's not going. He's only been to what? One practice his entire career? He's turned down invites before he became "disgruntled".
He's not showing up.

[gambit1990]

But he's not going. He's only been to what? One practice his entire career? He's turned down invites before he became "disgruntled".
He's not showing up.
if he doesn't show up then the spurs are in the same spot they already are. it's worth waiting.

[tonight...you]

if he doesn't show up then the spurs are in the same spot they already are. it's worth waiting.
Or it further degrades his value to everybody in a position to negotiate's eyes...

[dubross]

Ingram will be a fringe all star to me at best. I don’t see him being any better than Derozan to be honest. Lakers deal with Ingram is terrible.

[Mr. Body]

Too bad he didn't wig out last summer, we could have gotten Oladipo and Sabonis. I always liked Dipo. I can't remember which dumbfuck here laughed when I said Dipo was an All-Star. He would have been an awesome Spur.

[dbestpro]

Toronto's deal would be A1 if you replace that scrub Poelti with Siakam. Philly's trade scenarios are just terrible. And the Lakers can't be serious not including Ingram.

Poeltl is athletic, younger, has size, and can hit the three, which is what you are looking for in the modern center. Sialam is nice, but may be nothing more than a situational PF.

[Dverde]

I would guess the Spurs-Raptors deal is being held up over Raptors prospects. Toronto probably wants to hold onto OG in case Kawhi bolts.

[gambit1990]

Or it further degrades his value to everybody in a position to negotiate's eyes...
the only way kawhi's trade value would be hurt by not going is if his injury is still lingering. if that's the case then it would be an issue anyways.

low risk, potentially high reward.

[palangi]

Poeltl is athletic, younger, has size, and can hit the three, which is what you are looking for in the modern center. Sialam is nice, but may be nothing more than a situational PF.

Poeltl does not hit the 3.

[Killakobe81]

Ingram will be a fringe all star to me at best. I don’t see him being any better than Derozan to be honest. Lakers deal with Ingram is terrible.

I disagree plus DeRozen costs way more ...
But freely admit he is more about potential/upside over anything Ingram has proven.

[palangi]

Toronto's deal is OK if it includes the right young players. I still wouldn't mind a Laker deal with Ingram, but I have a higher opinion of him that many here.

I'm with you. I like ingram getting him would be great. I also really like OG. And consider him 1b from ingram 1a.

[SAGirl]

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:bobo:lobt2:

[exstatic]

I would guess the Spurs-Raptors deal is being held up over Raptors prospects. Toronto probably wants to hold onto OG in case Kawhi bolts.

Supposedly, they're trying to work something with a third team, but also, supposedly, there is a framework in place for a straight up two team trade if that falls through.

[dubross]

I disagree plus DeRozen costs way more ...
But freely admit he is more about potential/upside over anything Ingram has proven.

Yes Derozan’s contract is an albatross but with some cap gymnastics we could have some money next year to get some talent in if we send mills with Kawhi to the raptors. The spurs are already young for the most part and Pop wants to win now and the lakers deal with Ingram is not win now and makes us younger and total rebuild. I think the raptors deal will keep us competitive with anyone outside of Golden st.

[SAGirl]

Lonnie's new profile pic on twitter


https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1017229754557128706/XJzpRawj_400x400.jpg
The guys does have a personality. :tu

[exstatic]

I'm with you. I like ingram getting him would be great. I also really like OG. And consider him 1b from ingram 1a.

OK, I've seen this too many times.

Brandon Ingram is NOT on the table. Brandon Ingram WILL NOT be on the table, ever. It's like pining for Ben Simmons over and over. It isn't happening.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, except Ingram isn't on the table. It's Hart and maybe Kuzma. Shit deal.

I thought Kuzma was the scrub they pulled off the table. I'd take DeRozan over Ingram any day. Not that I like a DeRozan trade but there is no way the Spurs are going to swing a trade where they don't get completely fucked.

[SAGirl]

why did they stretch duncan? did they use cap room that summer?
Gasols initial deal IIRC...

[SpursDynasty85]

Gasols initial deal IIRC...

Plus Gasol got what Jonathan Simmon was supposed to make.

[exstatic]

Plus Gasol got what Jonathan Simmon was supposed to make.

What on Earth? No one was going to pay JS $17M. He's a late 20s, jumping jack nothingburger.

[gambit1990]

https://thebiglead.com/2018/07/09/kawhi-leonard-usa-basketball-popovich-lebron-durant/


But there are bigger incentives for Leonard to show up. Back in March, Leonard began feuding with the Jordan Brand over his new sneaker deal. Leonard wants a big sneaker deal, but Jordan Brand refused to give it to him.

The biggest shoe money is in China, and guess where the FIBA World Championships will take place in 2019? You guessed it, China. And then the Olympics are in 2020 in Japan.

Any player who makes the USA Basketball roster has the potential to see their sneakers sales pop in Asia over the next two summers.


And then there’s this, which actually could help the Spurs: What if Leonard shows up healthy and committed. Well, it’s clear Rockets players (Chris Paul, James Harden) would try to woo Leonard and ask for a trade; LeBron, too. And don’t discount Celtics players (Hayward, Kyrie) telling him how much fun they’re having.

[Mr. Body]

Supposedly, they're trying to work something with a third team, but also, supposedly, there is a framework in place for a straight up two team trade if that falls through.

Do we know it's Toronto that gets Kawhi? Could they get Fultz, Anunoby goes down to Spurs, Philly gets Leonard?

[tonight...you]

the only way kawhi's trade value would be hurt by not going is if his injury is still lingering. if that's the case then it would be an issue anyways.

low risk, potentially high reward.
Which is why him not going (and he won't) is not a good thing for GM's out there.
It further enhances their fears that he's indeed still injured.

[exstatic]

https://thebiglead.com/2018/07/09/kawhi-leonard-usa-basketball-popovich-lebron-durant/

Queue Jerry Maguire: If you get injured, you get zero.

[Namundy]

If we end up with Anunoby and Derozan I'll be pretty satisfied. Not necessarily thrilled but satisfied.

[tonight...you]

Plus Gasol got what Jonathan Simmon was supposed to make.
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ScentedNecessaryFishingcat-size_restricted.gif

[BatManu20]

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[exstatic]

Do we know it's Toronto that gets Kawhi? Could they get Fultz, Anunoby goes down to Spurs, Philly gets Leonard?

My guess, and it's just that, is that team number three is just there for a salary dump by one of the teams. I don't think it's any kind of blockbuster. Also, if Fultz were available, I think the Spurs would have already pulled the trigger on Fultz/Saric/Covington/Miami 20201 unprotected pick trade.

[AFBlue]

OK, I've seen this too many times.

Brandon Ingram is NOT on the table. Brandon Ingram WILL NOT be on the table, ever. It's like pining for Ben Simmons over and over. It isn't happening.

Neither you nor anyone outside of the decision-makers inside the organization have the damndest clue about who is and is not "available" in a trade for Kawhi, so stop acting like you know something definitively.

Everything is speculation at this point and half the information contradicts the other half. We'll be in the dark or appropriately misinformed based on whatever agenda is being pushed from a given source until it actually goes down.

[tonight...you]

Neither you nor anyone outside of the decision-makers inside the organization have the damndest clue about who is and is not "available" in a trade for Kawhi, so stop acting like you know something definitively.

Everything is speculation at this point and half the information contradicts the other half. We'll be in the dark or appropriately misinformed based on whatever agenda is being pushed from a given source until it actually goes down.
Negotiation.

And you're right.

[bklynspursfan]

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[Mr. Body]

My guess, and it's just that, is that team number three is just there for a salary dump by one of the teams. I don't think it's any kind of blockbuster. Also, if Fultz were available, I think the Spurs would have already pulled the trigger on Fultz/Saric/Covington/Miami 20201 unprotected pick trade.

I don't see why the Spurs would want Fultz. They're stacked at the position and he makes a ton of money on his rookie salary

[Mr. Body]

1017535235607498752

I call bullshit.

[SpursDynasty85]

What on Earth? No one was going to pay JS $17M. He's a late 20s, jumping jack nothingburger.

What I read that offseason was the Spurs and Gasol (gave up his $16M for 1 year) had a deal to opt out and find free agents. Whatever was left the Spurs were going to give him. Spurs signed Rudy and lost Simmons (which Spurs were wanting to get back at a decent price). At least that is what I read. Spurs definitely wanted Simmons he had just played well against the Warriors. (https://www.poundingtherock.com/2017/10/27/16557128/jonathon-simmons-explains-why-left-san-antonio-spurs)

[SAGirl]

Plus Gasol got what Jonathan Simmon was supposed to make.
You changed the subject. That had nothing to with the person I was responding to. He's asked why Timmys second year was stretched. it getting stretched had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with Simmons..

[spurraider21]

Yes. On Gasol.
gift that keeps on giving

[Russ]

The guys does have a personality. :tu

That seems to be a passive aggressive comment. :lol

[SpursDynasty85]

You changed the subject. That had nothing to with the person I was responding to. He's asked why Timmys second year was stretched. it getting stretched had nothing, absolutely nothing to do with Simmons who was actually playing in summer league undrafted that season.

Oops your right. my bad.

[JPB]

What a surprise... Spurs didn't call Boston, Philly and LA bluff and just waited and better offers are starting to come. "Spurs have no leverage, they'll have to take a crappy package, Kawhi will go where he wants...".

Spurs had no reason to panic. Just wait and see those three teams and others reupping their propositions. Following days should be interesting.

[SAGirl]

That seems to be a passive aggressive comment. :lol
If you think so... Way too much trolling in this forum to take any shit seriously.

He does have a personality.

[ceperez]

What a surprise... Spurs didn't call Boston, Philly and LA bluff and just waited and better offers are starting to come. "Spurs have no leverage, they'll have to take a crappy package, Kawhi will go where he wants...".

Spurs had no reason to panick. Just wait and see those three teams and others reupping their propositions. Following days should be interesting.

KL is more valuable for a eastern team. Now that TOR is seriously making offers, expect BOS and PHI to get into the bidding war.

KL could become the east replacement of Lebron. That's worth a ton of money!

[Spurs9]

What a surprise... Spurs didn't call Boston, Philly and LA bluff and just waited and better offers are starting to come. "Spurs have no leverage, they'll have to take a crappy package, Kawhi will go where he wants...".

Spurs had no reason to panick. Just wait and see those three teams and others reupping their propositions. Following days should be interesting.

Exactly especially when cap space dries up, and teams see more how rosters are being constructed.

[Chachachango]

Its getting interesting. It sounding like the Raptors might get this fool. I even dreamed this fill being a raptor and not being too happy lol. Sorry bout that. :corn:

[cd98]

The guys does have a personality. :tu

He's already more marketable than Kawhi. If I were Nike, I'd give him the deal Kawhi wants.

[Dex]

Its getting interesting. It sounding like the Raptors might get this fool. I even dreamed this fill being a raptor and not being too happy lol. Sorry bout that. :corn:

Even if nothing happens soon, the Raptors getting involved definitely gives the Spurs some much needed leverage to up the ante for Kawhi.

I may be in the minority here, but I'd rather get a talent like Butler or Derozan back, even if they are both headcases.

LA and Boston don't seem willing to give up Ingram or Fultz, Convington's ceiling is probably Danny Green replacement, and the jury is still out on Saric. Miami's pick could be interesting, but it only takes one power play by Riley next summer to make that pick next to worthless. Letting Kawhi walk for a bunch of failed prospects would be a travesty.

Personally, I'd rather enjoy the end of Pop's tenure. There will be plenty of time for rebuilding when the time comes, and I'm in no rush to get there.

[tonight...you]

Its getting interesting. It sounding like the Raptors might get this fool. I even dreamed this fill being a raptor and not being too happy lol. Sorry bout that. :corn:
I would rather him happy and staying in Canada. Fuck leaving to the Lakers for... pretty much nothing.
They (his uncle, et al) are selling a big bag of uneducated lies to him.

[spurraider21]

1017475329575641088
this is a good point.

philly's gotta decide between holding on to fultz and letting toronto pick up kawhi

[Mugen]

Jesus, I hope they don't actually trade for fucking Demar Derozan

[Dingle Barry]

Where are the Raptors rumors coming from? No one reputable as far as I've seen.

[Dex]

Where are the Raptors rumors coming from? No one reputable as far as I've seen.


Variety of mixed reports on the internet, but nothing concrete. Some "inside sources" here (can't confirm if they are legit or not, obviously)....DeRozan clearing his IG...and the Vegas odds changing out of the blue are mostly fueling the mania here, but a few other outlets have picked up the story.

[tonight...you]

this is a good point.

philly's gotta decide between holding on to fultz and letting toronto pick up kawhi

My God... They're holding out for a mentally broken guy who got broke before he even started playing NBA minutes? Now that's a real winner.
That's what this has reduced to?

[james evans]

Jesus, I hope they don't actually trade for fucking Demar Derozan
I don’t know what anyone sees in him and if any spurs fan wants him, they will end up hating him more than we did Richard Jefferson

[Dverde]

Variety of mixed reports on the internet, but nothing concrete. Some "inside sources" here (can't confirm if they are legit or not, obviously)....DeRozan clearing his IG...and the Vegas odds changing out of the blue are mostly fueling the mania here, but a few other outlets have picked up the story.

A friend of someone who works in the Orlando Magic’s front office broke the story. Friendofmagicfo-bomb just dropped on the league!

[tonight...you]

Variety of mixed reports on the internet, but nothing concrete. Some "inside sources" here (can't confirm if they are legit or not, obviously)....DeRozan clearing his IG...and the Vegas odds changing out of the blue are mostly fueling the mania here, but a few other outlets have picked up the story.
Could be true, might even be, if Toronto isn't immediately refuting it.
Spurs are canny though. This could be their continued Long Game where they're showing they actually do have leverage.

[BatManu20]

Jesus, I hope they don't actually trade for fucking Demar Derozan


:lol

[Dverde]

Could be true, might even be, if Toronto isn't immediately refuting it.
Spurs are canny though. This could be their continued Long Game where they're showing they actually do have leverage.

They did trade De Colo to the Raptors. They are in their Rolodex

[BatManu20]

Fultz + Saric + Covington (to 3rd team for a player or pick) + 2021 Miami pick + 2019 Philly pick is >>>>> DeRozan + OG + Poeltl + 2019 TOR pick.


Just a matter of if Philly will budge.

[Namundy]

Serious question -- when was the last time San Antonio was involved in a three team trade?

[tonight...you]

Jesus, I hope they don't actually trade for fucking Demar Derozan
You'd rather Jason Hart and some goob?
You'd rather Covington and who-gives-a-shit?

The picks mean nothing: those picks are going to be high round.

We can go the keep Kawhi and watch the drama thing. I can see those pukes trying to hold him out...
He's obviously a submissive cuck who would rather watch Shaq fuck his girl than speak.

Demar could be flipped. This could all be a ruse to add value to the silent cuck. I'm all whatevs til things get solid.

[MaNu4Tres]

Serious question -- when was the last time San Antonio was involved in a three team trade?

Summer of 03. IIRC. Brad Miller, Ferry, Ron Mercer, Hedo trade.

[ceperez]

Toronto has every reason to make the deal. They had the best record in the east but still couldn't get to the eastern finals.

Now with this move, Boston and Phili are sweating buckets that this does not happen!

[Spurs Brazil]

Serious question -- when was the last time San Antonio was involved in a three team trade?

Maybe the Hedo trade for the 2003-2004 season.

[Mugen]

You guys think Kawhi rocks a reversible Clippers/Lakers jersey to the summer league game later?

Maybe a suit like Clipper Darrell would wear ...