Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[r0drig0lac]

The argument is that his trade value gets weaker as you move into next season to the point that he has no value and walks for nothing. The only way to get value is to sign him to another contract, wait a year, and then trade him. But by then, his salary will be so big, it will also make him harder to trade.

so he will play for SA next season

[spursistan]

Fuck all that. Just keep kawhi in S.A.


But they should still be trying to move him imo
:lol

[baseline bum]

Harris is expiring. We either want picks or we don't. Praying that Kawhi's uncle changes his mind just doesn't seem like the best strategy to me.

It's not praying Dennis changes his mind. I don't want Leonard back. It's eliminating the LA super team of James/George/Leonard that is extremely unlikely to happen if the Spurs don't trade him there in the next couple of weeks. Leonard's trade value is at rock bottom right now. There is no point to sell right now.

[JFK]

I don't get this insistence on getting something in return. You want to try to get something good in return. Tobias Harris would pretty useless in a rebuild and late lottery picks aren't all that valuable unless RC sees someone he absolutely loves still available like Kawhi in 2011. If that's the case then yeah you make that deal. But that's the only way I see it making any sense.

Exactly this.

Again, this isn't a typical situation here and I would seriously not blame the Spurs to hold onto his sorry ass past draft night and even into next year.

I trust they won't panic here or be forced.

[John B]

Expect to draft shooters to surround Kawhi/Big Talent. If athletic wing prototype Kawhi, then Kawhi is gone

[baseline bum]

Lakers stil havent blinked.

Because they're going to need their prospects to get someone to take Deng.

[exstatic]

this really means nothing. it just says that the spurs will listen to trades but that does not suggest they will act on any of them.

Actually, it's a change in their position. Not very long ago, they weren't entertaining ANY offers at all.

[Pavlov]

They won't be able to trade Harris for months and you think you're getting better prospects and picks from moving him than from Kawhi who can no longer go to the Lakers without taking a big pay cut? There is no reason to move him for pennies on the dollar right now unless Buford absolutely loves someone in the draft at 12. If James and PG13 go to LA and the Spurs haven't capitulated by then that means the Lakers are likely to go out and sign Cousins. The super team in LA dream dies and now Boston and Philly aren't scared of him taking a $40 million paycut to join LA's B-team and be second round fodder when he can win titles and get paid in the East in a big market.Too many ifs for me. My if is that if Magic is actually tampering he can afford to be more patient than anyone. But that's why I don't make these decisions. I'm sure the Spurs won't do anything soon.

[baseline bum]

Expect to draft shooters to surround Kawhi/Big Talent. If athletic wing prototype Kawhi, then Kawhi is gone

They need to draft best available talent, since the Spurs are going into a total rebuild and the only under 30 with a pulse is a B- prospect at best in Murray.

[baseline bum]

Too many ifs for me. My if is that if Magic is actually tampering he can afford to be more patient than anyone. But that's why I don't make these decisions. I'm sure the Spurs won't do anything soon.

Ifs are better than the certainty of getting absolutely destroyed in a bad trade.

[JFK]

It's not praying Dennis changes his mind. I don't want Leonard back. It's eliminating the LA super team of James/George/Leonard that is extremely unlikely to happen if the Spurs don't trade him there in the next couple of weeks. Leonard's trade value is at rock bottom right now. There is no point to sell right now.

Lose a battle to win the war.

Burn the village to save it.

Realistically, these fans praying for reconciliation just refuse to see the obvious. This guy checked out long ago and confirms what a lot didn't want to think possible. I swear if they hold onto him and force him I am fine with that. You can go to L.A. next year after the deal expires. I don't want trash in return for the sake of making a deal.

[Spur|n|Austin]

It's not praying Dennis changes his mind. I don't want Leonard back. It's eliminating the LA super team of James/George/Leonard that is extremely unlikely to happen if the Spurs don't trade him there in the next couple of weeks. Leonard's trade value is at rock bottom right now. There is no point to sell right now.

I've been saying the same thing - don't trade his ass for peanuts just to cater to his want. If he wants to pull some injury shit again after pronouncing that he was 100% then there will be repercussions.

Also...

https://i.imgur.com/hcV6svT.jpg

[Pavlov]

Ifs are better than the certainty of getting absolutely destroyed in a bad trade.There will be no good trades of Kawhi for the Spurs.

As I said, I'm sure he won't be traded soon.

[spurschamps99030507]

Lose a battle to win the war.

Burn the village to save it.

Realistically, these fans praying for reconciliation just refuse to see the obvious. This guy checked out long ago and confirms what a lot didn't want to think possible. I swear if they hold onto him and force him I am fine with that. You can go to L.A. next year after the deal expires. I don't want trash in return for the sake of making a deal.

absolutely right

[spursistan]

Ready to move on from this. Just trade the fucker to anyone but Lakers if you like the package..

[baseline bum]

There will be no good trades of Kawhi for the Spurs.

No shit. What a nice black and white world where all losing trades are equal.

[lefty]

:lmao Robinson was never a leader.
:lmao bible thumping phaggot harassed Rodman
:lmao tasted Hakeem's raw shea butter cum after getting the MVP award

[Chinook]

Careful, the entire board will pile on and call you spoiled for not wanting a team with no future prospects and whose only talent is all on the wrong side of 30 to hold on to that last playoff seed with a death grip for the right to get curbstomped in the first round.

We will, yes.

[toki9]

I don't get this insistence on getting something in return. You want to try to get something good in return. Tobias Harris would pretty useless in a rebuild and late lottery picks aren't all that valuable unless RC sees someone he absolutely loves still available like Kawhi in 2011. If that's the case then yeah you make that deal. But that's the only way I see it making any sense.

Yeah, bad deals are often worse than no deals.

[exstatic]

:lmao Robinson was never a leader.
:lmao bible thumping phaggot harassed Rodman
:lmao tasted Hakeem's raw shea butter cum after getting the MVP award

:lmao Got lost and posted in the wrong thread. :lmao

[baseline bum]

:lmao Robinson was never a leader.
:lmao bible thumping phaggot harassed Rodman
:lmao tasted Hakeem's raw shea butter cum after getting the MVP award

One more post like that and I'm reporting you to Trump's SS to get you on a no fly list.

[Pavlov]

No shit. What a nice black and white world where all losing trades are equal.I just don't think the hope of a slightly better trade is all that great given the irrationality of the Leonard camarilla (that's not racist, right?). I'm sure I'm wrong, but discussion is discussion.

[baseline bum]

I just don't think the hope of a slightly better trade is all that great given the irrationality of the Leonard camarilla (that's not racist, right?). I'm sure I'm wrong, but discussion is discussion.

You think the threat of the LA superteam is meaningless to Kawhi's trade value. I disagree.

[RD2191]

:lol

But..

[Spur|n|Austin]

:lmao Robinson was never a leader.
:lmao bible thumping phaggot harassed Rodman
:lmao tasted Hakeem's raw shea butter cum after getting the MVP award

https://i.imgur.com/3MTRQ9w.jpg

[rjv]

Actually, it's a change in their position. Not very long ago, they weren't entertaining ANY offers at all.

there are different purposes for listening. one is just to gauge where they stand in terms of what is coming in at this point and what the temperature is in regards to specific teams and their interest in leonard. i see it as more of a 'just in case things don't work out" and we decide to dump him before the season starts situation.

[Pavlov]

You think the threat of the LA superteam is meaningless to Kawhi's trade value. I disagree.I agree it's meaningful. That's the only thing that could sweeten a Clippers deal. There's nothing saying West can't get another team involved, for example.

If other teams want to take the chance they can keep Kawhi, they can get in on it too.

[Twisted_Dawg]

I hope Ainge has concluded his team has a high possibility of facing Kawhi on a Philly, Cav or Laker super team, all of which does not bode well for his Boston team.
It would seem he would be wise to keep Kawhi from Philly or as a team mate of Lebron at Cleveland or LA. With his assets and future draft picks, he could do it. Offer some players and make that 2019 Sacto pick conditional. If Kawhi resigns with Boston, we get the pick. If he leaves, Boston keeps pick.

[RD2191]

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Tf, is that a young Guy Fiere?

[objective]

How much did "getting something back" for Dwight Howard help Orlando?

They've been trash ever since, none of the players they got back were difference makers in any way, EXCEPT sucking up capspace for years after getting new deals.

Better to burn Kawhi and get the capspace.

Hell, they'll have the caproom to sign Tobias as a free agent if they want.

[toki9]

Exactly this.

Again, this isn't a typical situation here and I would seriously not blame the Spurs to hold onto his sorry ass past draft night and even into next year.

I trust they won't panic here or be forced.

No, PATFO won't panic or be forced. They've been doing this for 20+ years and have seen just about everything. Even the current situation, as shocked as they may be that it's happening to them, they've seen with other teams. When they make a deal, it'll be because they believe it's the best option out of a set of crappy options. I'm sure it'll suck, but what can you do? Play the hand you're dealt.

[Spurs9]

Tf, is that a young Guy Fiere?

:lmao

[Marcus Bryant]

Unless someone comes with a decent package, just wait. Between Philly and Boston I think you can find a decent deal as the summer moves on. You need a potential trade partner to be able to get comfortable with trading for Leonard. Right now there's too much uncertainty.

[look_at_g_shred]

Gimmie Fultz and the 10th and we gucci

[baseline bum]

Tf, is that a young Guy Fiere?

You get Food Network and wifi in the Trump prisons? Any good hookers swim over from Boys Town?

[MoSpur02]

Ready to move on from this. Just trade the fucker to anyone but Lakers if you like the package..

This

[toki9]

And miss out getting lottery pick on the draft to rebuild? I think they are not trading Kawhi. And convinced that they can bring in a big talent prior to signing

Well, fear of missing out is rarely the best rationale for doing a trade. I think the only plausible pick offer that's been tossed around is Cavs' #8...so that's the current floor that we know of. Draft...even in the lottery...can be such a crap shoot that PATFO may not believe #8 is good enough price. Certainly a lot of people here believe that is not a good enough price, even taking into account the fan tendency of overvaluing own asset and undervaluing other teams' assets. I'm sure they'd love get a good pick in the lottery to rebuild. But they're probably shooting for a good pick (whatever they think that is), not just any pick.

[dbestpro]

How much did "getting something back" for Dwight Howard help Orlando?

They've been trash ever since, none of the players they got back were difference makers in any way, EXCEPT sucking up capspace for years after getting new deals.

Better to burn Kawhi and get the capspace.

Hell, they'll have the caproom to sign Tobias as a free agent if they want.

Conversely, New York gave up the kitchen sink for Carmelo and it didn't help them either. I also remember the Pistons trading away Grant Hill that helped build the foundation of the bad boys defense.

[RD2191]

You get Food Network and wifi in the Trump prisons? Any good hookers swim over from Boys Town?

I'm like El Chapo in here son..

[baseline bum]

Conversely, New York gave up the kitchen sink for Carmelo and it didn't help them either. I also remember the Pistons trading away Grant Hill that helped build the foundation of the bad boys defense.

That trade was a no-brainer for Detroit because Hill was already gone and the Magic would have had to renounce Big Ben anyways. Leonard is still under contract for a year.

[toki9]

The hardest thing about trading is waiting. I've seen way too many traders get their faces ripped off because they got carried away by the momentum of events. Good traders tend to know the parameters of the deals that they want and only act within those parameters--but still allow themselves the flexibility to act if something really out of ordinary happens. Sitting tight is not the worst move in the world.

[baseline bum]

I'm like El Chapo in here son..

I already knew you were a fat Mexican tbh. Do me a favor and go cockpunch LkrFan.

[RD2191]

I already knew you were a fat Mexican tbh. Do me a favor and go cockpunch LkrFan.

:lmao

[dbestpro]

I wonder if Pop and RC are prepping for the draft by reading, "The Art of the Deal"?

[NASpurs]

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[objective]

Conversely, New York gave up the kitchen sink for Carmelo and it didn't help them either. I also remember the Pistons trading away Grant Hill that helped build the foundation of the bad boys defense.

How did the Melo trade work out for Denver?

All these years later and they're still a shit lottery team that might have to dump a first to get out of the tax.

With Melo, in the WCF and in the playoffs

Ever since? Crap.

They were able to overpay Gallinari and Winston Chandler for 5+ years or whatever it's been.

[Ron Swanson]

1009881487389454336

Fuk yo team clown.

[toki9]

I wonder if Pop and RC are prepping for the draft by reading, "The Art of the Deal"?

They're probably too busy sobering up...or getting tanked. I could see either as a possibility at this point.

[BillMc]

I wonder if Pop and RC are prepping for the draft by reading, "The Art of the Deal"?
:lol

Should be reading "Crime and Punishment"

[spurraider21]

Holding onto a guy who has already been willing to fake an injury for a year is madness.
Madness?

THIS
IS
SPURSTALK

[BillMc]

Fuk yo team clown.

Amen!:lol

[toki9]

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I'd guess the "reaching out" part here is leaking the intention to the press...and no proposals were discussed because PATFO just hung up on them.

[look_at_g_shred]

I wonder if Pop and RC are prepping for the draft by reading, "The Art of the Deal"?
"Athleticism for dummies"

[FvckMavs]

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FTL！

[exstatic]

Gimmie Fultz and the 10th and we gucci

Yeah, OK Derulo.

[baseline bum]

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Not even the god damn common courtesy to give 'em a reacharound.

[bklynspursfan]

Just like last time, Woj puts something out then Shams puts something different not too long after :lol

Woj- Pop is traveling to California with the intention of meeting with Kawhi
Shams a few mins later- Pop and Kawhi met on Tuesday


This time Woj says Spurs/Lakers haven't spoken, then Shams says they have reached out. Unless they saw Woj's tweet and were like "Oh shit, we forgot to reach out"

[r0drig0lac]

How much did "getting something back" for Dwight Howard help Orlando?

They've been trash ever since, none of the players they got back were difference makers in any way, EXCEPT sucking up capspace for years after getting new deals.

Better to burn Kawhi and get the capspace.

Hell, they'll have the caproom to sign Tobias as a free agent if they want.

no, please

[Dex]

1009881487389454336

Spurs: New phone, who dis?

[NASpurs]

Just like last time, Woj puts something out then Shams puts something different not too long after :lol

Woj- Pop is traveling to California with the intention of meeting with Kawhi
Shams a few mins later- Pop and Kawhi met on Tuesday


This time Woj says Spurs/Lakers haven't spoken, then Shams says they have reached out. Unless they saw Woj's tweet and were like "Oh shit, we forgot to reach out"

Kori said that Shams is being fed information by Johnny Ludden who has insane connections inside the Spurs FO. I trust Shams more than Woj if that's the case.

[RD2191]

:lol

Should be reading "Crime and Punishment"

Or 'NBA Draft for Dummies"

[BillMc]

Spurs: New phone, who dis?

Like the new avatar and sig Dex! :toast

[toki9]

Just like last time, Woj puts something out then Shams puts something different not too long after :lol

Woj- Pop is traveling to California with the intention of meeting with Kawhi
Shams a few mins later- Pop and Kawhi met on Tuesday


This time Woj says Spurs/Lakers haven't spoken, then Shams says they have reached out. Unless they saw Woj's tweet and were like "Oh shit, we forgot to reach out"

Or the Lakers reached out and the Spurs just hung up--which I'd expect them to do at this point. The important thing is that it's now publicly known that the Lakers are playing. Let's see how this escalates things.

[spurschamps99030507]

No way to trade him to the fakers!!

[toki9]

Kori said that Shams is being fed information by Johnny Ludden who has insane connections inside the Spurs FO. I trust Shams more than Woj if that's the case.

I kind of miss Ludden...the current beat guys (and one in particular) really don't compare well against him.

[bklynspursfan]

Kori said that Shams is being fed information by Johnny Ludden who has insane connections inside the Spurs FO. I trust Shams more than Woj if that's the case.

Oh didn't realize. Yea that makes sense then, lately he's been giving much more clear insight as to whats going on. He also said the Pop/Kawhi mtg was planned for weeks while Woj was saying it was difficult for Pop to get the meeting.

[BillMc]

Or 'NBA Draft for Dummies"

Pretty sure Dostoevsky wrote that too.

[exstatic]

I wonder if Pop and RC are prepping for the draft by reading, "The Art of the Deal"?

God, I hope not. Do you know how many times that fucker has gone bankrupt? He literally cannot borrow money in the US any more.

Former treasury secretary Robert Reich shut down some fool during the campaign by pointing out that if he'd taken daddy's money and put it into an index fund, he'd have twice as much as he currently does. His business acumen is half as good as random market fluctuations.

[exstatic]

Spurs: New phone, who dis?

:lmao

[Marco]

No words on this saga from Khawi's wife?

[exstatic]

No words on this saga from Khawi's wife?

duncan2k5 will be along shortly.

[RD2191]

Pretty sure Dostoevsky wrote that too.

:lol

[NASpurs]

:lmao :lmao eat shit pig fuckers

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[BillMc]

:lmao :lmao eat shit pig fuckers

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Hell yeah! :flag:

[cd98]

:lmao :lmao eat shit pig fuckers

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Sorry Kawhi. Have fun playing on the B team in L.A.

[baseline bum]

:lmao :lmao eat shit pig fuckers

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Wait Magic fucked Ramona?

[NASpurs]

Wait Magic fucked Ramona?

:lol

[RD2191]

Wait Magic fucked Ramona?

I'd smash big mona tbh fwiw imo

[BillMc]

Wait Magic fucked Ramona?
:lol

[spurraider21]

:lmao :lmao eat shit pig fuckers

1009885902435278848

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:hat good shit

[spurraider21]

I'd smash big mona tbh fwiw imo
the local radio guys just refer to her as mo-mo

though they're missing a couple of o's imo

[NASpurs]

I'd smash big mona tbh fwiw imo

:lol Big Mona

[SpursWoman]

:lmao :lmao eat shit pig fuckers

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Nice. :lmao

[Ron Swanson]

:lmao :lmao eat shit pig fuckers

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[Spurs9]

:lol If we trade him to the Clippers

[sammy]

If I'm the Spurs brass, you don't trade him now. Make his bitch-ass show up to training camp and start the season with the team, and then consider offers at the trade deadline from contending teams wanting a mid-season rental that they hope puts them over the hump, namely Philly, Boston, or even Cleveland if James is still there. Not sure what these teams will offer, but who gives a shit. Spurs brass might believe they still have some modicum of leverage, and want to explore pre-season trade options since there's always the possibility Leonard under performs during that mid-season spell and further kills his value, but what are teams going to realistically offer knowing Leonard is bolting in a year? The Spurs won't get shit in a pre-season trade, no high draft picks, no young talent, nothing. The best way to maximize leverage is waiting until the mid-season deadline, when teams like Boston, Philly, etc will be desperate for that key piece and have to at the very least offer something decent.

Only organization I can see offering a decent pre-season package is the Clippers, since West might be convinced that Kawhi "wanting to play in LA" also includes the Clippers, but everyone with a brain knows he wants the Lakers and only the Lakers. And the Spurs better not give in and help them build a superteam (rumors are Leonard's camp has been in contact with James' camp) while also caving to Leonard and his dipshit Uncle's demands. Ultimate point, frustrating Leonard and his camp for another a year is a "bigger win" than trading him pre-season for peanuts.

I agree! Let him play his last year with the Spurs!

[sammy]

:hat good shit

That's my Spurs! A big FU to the Fakers!:toast

[objective]

Spurs better stay strong

Make Kawhi pay for defaming then and dragging them through this mess. He could have been an adult about it, but he and his parasitic handlers had to push it.

They drew first blood, not the Spurs.

They drew First Blood.

[bklynspursfan]

I'd guess the "reaching out" part here is leaking the intention to the press...and no proposals were discussed because PATFO just hung up on them.

Looks like that's exactly what happened haha

[cd98]

No wonder Logo was rejuvenated in his efforts to land Kawhi. Must know that if it's a trade to LA, it's a one team race and the perfect way to slap the Lakers.

[toki9]

Spurs better stay strong

Make Kawhi pay for defaming then and dragging them through this mess. He could have been an adult about it, but he and his parasitic handlers had to push it.

They drew first blood, not the Spurs.

They drew First Blood.

Stay Rambo strong!

[BackHome]

Poor Uncle Fester is climbing the wall probably calling Magic as we speak. WTF

[Budkin]

:lmao :lmao eat shit pig fuckers

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PATFO don't play.

[Dex]

Like the new avatar and sig Dex! :toast

:bobo Meant to change it a while ago, but been on vacation.

Time to move on from the man-child.

[Spurs da champs]

The tampering that Magic and the Lakers have been doing non-stop since he got there should strip them of draft picks & cap space, tbh.

[sammy]

absolutely right

:toast

[spursistan]

:lmao :lmao eat shit pig fuckers

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:tu :lmao.

[spurschamps99030507]

:toast

they continue to operate illegally with our player in the dark, enough is enough!

last year they did the same with p george, its obvious that they have contacted illegally, the franchise should report this situation to the league

[SayTown]

Don't trade him, If he walks he walks. And every time he plays at home have all the fans boo him every time he touches the ball, it will send his fragile punk ass mind into a mental hospital.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Not even the god damn common courtesy to give 'em a reacharound.

Reach around??? They want to rough fuck our ass without lube.

[spurs10]

no doubt. Years from now so many will be shaking their heads at how much this hurt Kawhi. Pop probably honestly told him that too. He probably said, hey cool you want to go to LA? I'm fine with that, but your "group" has lead you down a dangerous path. You can still be your own man and I will do my best to help you out, but if you let them continue to make piss poor decisions for you, I will be forced to play hard ball and you will stand to lose a lot. You may eventually get to play for LA, but you will lose a ton of money. Ultimately, I have to do what is best for the Spurs organization. Exactly! Pop is going to do what's best for the Spurs!
:flag:

[sasaint]

I agree! Let him play his last year with the Spurs!

As a fan I would not enjoy watching that.

[cjw]

Don't trade him, If he walks he walks. And every time he plays at home have all the fans boo him every time he touches the ball, it will send his fragile punk ass mind into a mental hospital.

Invite him to a jersey retirement ceremony and instead of the jersey being raised to the rafters, it gets set ablaze courtside.

[BSfromTX]

He will never play in a spurs uni again, but he won't play in a Laker one either. You mess with the bull; you get the horns

[BillMc]

Invite him to a jersey retirement ceremony and instead of the jersey being raised to the rafters, it gets set ablaze courtside.

Invite him to a jersey retirement ceremony and give him a microphone. That'll kill him right there.

[RD2191]

He will never play in a spurs uni again, but he won't play in a Laker one either. You mess with the bull; you get the horns

Next time I come in here I'm cracking skulls.

[Ron Swanson]

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[r0drig0lac]

Invite him to a jersey retirement ceremony and give him a microphone. That'll kill him right there.
this...and make him have to play all season with spurs, answer questions, etc. turn your life into hell for a season

[RD2191]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/8N5tQZ2X4byNi/giphy.gif

:lol

[LkrFan]

I already knew you were a fat Mexican tbh. Do me a favor and go cockpunch LkrFan.

:lol

[MoSpur02]

Wouldn't be surprised if LaMarcus is traded before Kawhi

[Marcus Bryant]

If you think that a player sat out when he really could've played during a playoff run and has been working with another franchise to get traded there...at what point do you basically say fuck it and screw him over?

Leonard's a grown ass man, he knows what's going on, he's been a part of it. Oh, that's my agent just saying that - right.

[Mugen]

They should have salary dumped Deng by attaching Kuzma, trade Lonzo and 25 for a top 5 pick tonight and come to the Spurs with Ingram + a Top 5 pick. That's a package worth talking about and you head into free agency with Kawhi locked up and enough space to land PG / Bron and retain Randle.

[Spurs4#5]

With how quiet it has been so far today I’m going to assume there will be a lot of movement in the draft. Usually when there’s lots of talk the day of the draft about moves being made nothing really happens. Whether kawhi gets moved that remains to be seen but I think a lot of teams will be dealing tonight

[MoSpur02]

They should have salary dumped Deng by attaching Kuzma, trade Lonzo and 25 for a top 5 pick tonight and come to the Spurs with Ingram + a Top 5 pick. That's a package worth talking about and you head into free agency with Kawhi locked up and enough space to land PG / Bron and retain Randle.

Agree somewhat. You would have to attach Kuzma and Ingram to that top five pick to get Kawhi off my hands if I'm the Spurs

[spursistan]

I already knew you were a fat Mexican tbh. Do me a favor and go cockpunch LkrFan (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=18824).
:lmao..

[rjv]

ramona shelburne tweeted that the lakers had contacted the spurs FO about leonard last week and that the spurs basically shut the door on them.

[marinoman]

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theyll prolly get em next year but not now

[gambit1990]

if spurs end up going full rebuild then i hope manu wouldn't sign with the warriors. i could see them offering him a vet min contract. i could see a team like... the magic going after tony.

[TD 21]

I disagree. You offer the supermax if you think he's healthy and committed to the team. He's obviously not the former. I'm not interested in taking the chance on a $219 million contract for a guy I'm just going to trade for pennies on the dollar in a year.

He's supposedly the former or perilously close. If he's brought back, there's no reason to think he wouldn't play hard or would act differently around his teammates than he has in the past. Doing the former would only cause further damage to his reputation and doing the latter would only make it more awkward for him.

Like I said, if it doesn't work out in the next year, they could trade him before the contract kicks in . . . only then they'd be able to command a king's ransom.

The future of the franchise is at stake. There's no place for pettiness or stubbornness. This isn't about rewarding him, it's about gaining leverage and control of the process going forward. Right now, they'll be lucky to get 2 somewhat significant assets.

[Mr. Body]

ramona shelburne tweeted that the lakers had contacted the spurs FO about leonard last week and that the spurs basically shut the door on them.

Good. Fuck them.

[BSfromTX]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/8N5tQZ2X4byNi/giphy.gif

Does Barry Manilow know you raided his closet?

[Dex]

if spurs end up going full rebuild then i hope manu wouldn't sign with the warriors. i could see them offering him a vet min contract. i could see a team like... the magic going after tony.

Manu doesn't strike me as a ring chaser...way too much of a competitor that.

He's already a 4-time champ and a lock for HOF...a pity ring with GSW would probably only hurt that image.

[MannyIsGod]

:lmao :lmao eat shit pig fuckers

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LOL awesome.

[baseline bum]

He's supposedly the former or perilously close. If he's brought back, there's no reason to think he wouldn't play hard or would act differently around his teammates than he has in the past. Doing the former would only cause further damage to his reputation and doing the latter would only make it more awkward for him.

Like I said, if it doesn't work out in the next year, they could trade him before the contract kicks in . . . only then they'd be able to command a king's ransom.

The future of the franchise is at stake. There's no place for pettiness or stubbornness. This isn't about rewarding him, it's about gaining leverage and control of the process going forward. Right now, they'll be lucky to get 2 somewhat significant assets.

That contract is a huge risk. He either couldn't recover over a full season from a minor injury or he quit on the team, sat out the season, and he's a cancer. I don't want to see the Spurs left holding that kind of obligation for the payoff of getting a little more in trade value after having to put up with his shit for another year in the absolute best case. You're still not going to get some kind of home run package. Trades involving disgruntled superstars never land you much. It's way too much risk for such little payoff. If he actually was committed to staying here the payoff would be worth it but he is done with this franchise by both his words and more importantly his actions this season.

[TD 21]

That contract is a huge risk. He either couldn't recover over a full season from a minor injury or he quit on the team, sat out the season, and he's a cancer. I don't want to see the Spurs left holding that kind of obligation for the payoff of getting a little more in trade value after having to put up with his shit for another year in the absolute best case. You're still not going to get some kind of home run package. Trades involving disgruntled superstars never land you much. It's way too much risk for such little payoff. If he actually was committed to staying here the payoff would be worth it but he is done with this franchise by both his words and more importantly his actions this season.

As long as he's healthy and returns to form, other teams won't care about how aloof, awkward, etc., he is. They'll see a 27-28 year old, top 5 player, signed for the next 5 years. Someone fitting that criteria on the trade market is damn near unprecedented. They will line up to pay a premium for that.

There's also this: If he's backing playing, among the team day in and day out, things could easily change and he could be reinvested in a year. That's not truly happening based on conversations in the off season (even if this gets resolved and he signs the extension, it'll just be lip service both ways because it's in both sides best interest).

[picnroll]

Pussy couldn’t even meet with Pop without uncle Denny holding his hand.

[baseline bum]

As long as he's healthy and returns to form, other teams won't care about how aloof, awkward, etc., he is. They'll see a 27 year old, top 5 player, signed for the next 5 years. Someone fitting that criteria on the trade market is damn near unprecedented. They will line up to pay a premium for that.


What did the Bucks get for a 27 year old Kareem Abdul-Jabbar? What did the Sixers get for a 28 year old Charles Barkley?



There's also this: If he's backing playing, among the team day in and day out, things could easily change in a year. That's not truly happening based on conversations in the off season (even if this gets resolved and he signs the extension, it'll just be lip service both ways because it's in both sides best interests).

He's either a china doll or he hates the team so much he quit. If he's a china doll who can't come back from a minor injury then that contract will become untradeable once everyone sees him next season. If he hates the team he'll be a cancer again. He completely fucked himself out of that extension with the way he handled this season and his alleged rehab. I don't know what he was thinking. He could have just acted normal, gotten the supermax extension, and then acted like a bitch next season and gotten his trade to a big market next summer.

[baseline bum]

Like I said, if it doesn't work out in the next year, they could trade him before the contract kicks in . . . only then they'd be able to command a king's ransom.

Also, no they cannot trade him before the supermax contract kicks in. When someone signs a supermax deal you cannot trade them for a calendar year. So when the Spurs would be trading Kawhi they'd be trading him based on the amount of his first year in the supermax contract. So now they're almost certainly taking back a really bad contract to match that $38 million first year salary on the extension instead of having to match $20 million in a trade this summer or this season.

[spursistan]

What did the Bucks get for a 27 year old Kareem Abdul-Jabbar? What did the Sixers get for a 28 year old Charles Barkley?



He's either a china doll or he hates the team so much he quit. If he's a china doll who can't come back from a minor injury then that contract will become untradeable once everyone sees him next season. If he hates the team he'll be a cancer again. He completely fucked himself out of that extension with the way he handled this season and his alleged rehab. I don't know what he was thinking. He could have just acted normal, gotten the supermax extension, and then acted like a bitch next season and gotten his trade to a big market next summer.
:tu

TD 21 is usually on point, but he is guilty of overrating this current Leonard package.. This dude value has completely nosedived ever since he limped out of Game 1 vs the Warriors: health, leadership, competitive desire all took a hit in the space of 12 months and he is a year older having not played two consecutive basketball games since April 2017..

[Extra Stout]

I don't know what he was thinking. He could have just acted normal, gotten the supermax extension, and then acted like a bitch next season and gotten his trade to a big market next summer.He was thinking that this summer would be his chance to join a superteam, so he tried to force the Spurs’ hand. Now he’s going to end up basically fucked.

[Mikeanaro]

You must earn the money, sitting on the bench for a more than a year having no surgeries it could mean you are the cancer.

He should play on other team, with those coaches that will make him play 40 min per night so we can see what is he made of.

[TD 21]

What did the Bucks get for a 27 year old Kareem Abdul-Jabbar? What did the Sixers get for a 28 year old Charles Barkley?



He's either a china doll or he hates the team so much he quit. If he's a china doll who can't come back from a minor injury then that contract will become untradeable once everyone sees him next season. If he hates the team he'll be a cancer again. He completely fucked himself out of that extension with the way he handled this season and his alleged rehab. I don't know what he was thinking. He could have just acted normal, gotten the supermax extension, and then acted like a bitch next season and gotten his trade to a big market next summer.

Were they signed for the next 5 years?

You're being emotional instead of rational. I hate to be redundant, but you're clearly viewing what I'm saying through the lens of rewarding him, when in actuality it's about gaining leverage.

Also, don't lose sight of how rare superstars are just because this franchise has had one for most of the past 29 years. In that regard, their luck is due to run out. Rush to trade him for some underwhelming return out of anger and frustration and it might be 15, 20, 25 or more years until the next one comes along.

[gospursgojas]

20 mins till draft. Guess spurs rolling into training camp w the quitter.

[Thomas82]

What did the Bucks get for a 27 year old Kareem Abdul-Jabbar? What did the Sixers get for a 28 year old Charles Barkley?

The Bucks got Elmore Smith, Brian Winters, Dave Meyers, and Junior Bridgeman for Kareem......the latter 2 supposedly blue chippers.

The Sixers got Jeff Hornacek, Tim Perry, and Andrew Lang for Chuck.

[bluebellmaniac]

20 mins till draft. Guess spurs rolling into training camp w the quitter.

????
If a trade happens, we probably wouldn't know until that pick that is involved happens.

[objective]

As long as he's healthy and returns to form, other teams won't care about how aloof, awkward, etc., he is. They'll see a 27-28 year old, top 5 player, signed for the next 5 years. Someone fitting that criteria on the trade market is damn near unprecedented. They will line up to pay a premium for that.

There's also this: If he's backing playing, among the team day in and day out, things could easily change and he could be reinvested in a year. That's not truly happening based on conversations in the off season (even if this gets resolved and he signs the extension, it'll just be lip service both ways because it's in both sides best interest).


What did the Bucks get for a 27 year old Kareem Abdul-Jabbar? What did the Sixers get for a 28 year old Charles Barkley?



He's either a china doll or he hates the team so much he quit. If he's a china doll who can't come back from a minor injury then that contract will become untradeable once everyone sees him next season. If he hates the team he'll be a cancer again. He completely fucked himself out of that extension with the way he handled this season and his alleged rehab. I don't know what he was thinking. He could have just acted normal, gotten the supermax extension, and then acted like a bitch next season and gotten his trade to a big market next summer.

I'd still sign him to a supermax, but no no_trade clause

Why sign him when I'll never forgive him for his shenanigans?

Because if he sucks or falls apart ... Then they'll have to rebuild.

They'd have to rebuild anyway. So what's the big deal? If he's hurt multiple years then they can tank proper with that much of the cap in street clothes.

But the real bonus ... Knowing how pissed his handlers will be at not being able to drain him 24/7 in Los Angeles. Knowing they'll never get endorsements. Knowing that Kawhi will retreat into his shell and not hustle for that new shoe money.

It'll be great.

[gambit1990]

yeah, supermax + no no trade clause.

[gambit1990]

spurs should make a trade as opposed to letting him walk for nothing but they shouldn't be in any rush.

if kawhi is really 100% then his trade value will just rise this season. unless he decides to not play...

[NASpurs]

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[baseline bum]

Were they signed for the next 5 years?

You're being emotional instead of rational. I hate to be redundant, but you're clearly viewing what I'm saying through the lens of rewarding him, when in actuality it's about gaining leverage.

Also, don't lose sight of how rare superstars are just because this franchise has had one for most of the past 29 years. In that regard, their luck is due to run out. Rush to trade him for some underwhelming return out of anger and frustration and it might be 15, 20, 25 or more years until the next one comes along.

LOL going to the emotion card when I bring up that it's a ton of money and a huge commitment that could badly backfire without giving much upside. I'm conditioning on the only two possible events to explain this season: (1) he really couldn't get healthy coming back from a minor injury, in which case he'll probably be hurt again next season and impossible to trade or (2) he hates the team so much he held out for a season, in which case he's going to demand a trade in a year when the Spurs will be allowed to move him and will need to take $38 million worth of assets back. So not only do you get nothing approaching equal value as we have seen in the vast majority of superstar trades ever executed, you also get to take on a shit contract that puts you in the luxury tax just like if you kept Leonard.

I would absolutely want to have a motivated, healthy, and committed Kawhi at the expense of being in the luxury tax, but I don't want 45 cents on the dollar and still paying luxury tax in the best case.

[cjw]

As long as he's healthy and returns to form, other teams won't care about how aloof, awkward, etc., he is. They'll see a 27-28 year old, top 5 player, signed for the next 5 years. Someone fitting that criteria on the trade market is damn near unprecedented. They will line up to pay a premium for that.

There's also this: If he's backing playing, among the team day in and day out, things could easily change and he could be reinvested in a year. That's not truly happening based on conversations in the off season (even if this gets resolved and he signs the extension, it'll just be lip service both ways because it's in both sides best interest).

The Clippers even unloaded Blake Griffin. The Spurs will be able to get off Kawhi’s contract if they so desire.

[Marcus Bryant]

He was thinking that this summer would be his chance to join a superteam, so he tried to force the Spurs’ hand. Now he’s going to end up basically fucked.

Basically. No extension and no trade this offseason so his group could work for a trade to preferred destination sometime next season. Also he'll have to actually play for the Spurs next season to prove that he is indeed "100% healthy". Also probably no reference from the Spurs. He'll still get a good contract from another team but the opportunity forgone is not small.

[E20]

Fuck Kawhi for now, but goddamn Colin Cowherd and Jason Whitlock are the two biggest cuck's/douchebags always ripping on Pop. Fuck that.

All of a sudden they are on Kawhi's nuts because he's challenging Pop, but just a year ago they were dismissing Kawhi as a system player.

Gotta get this off my chest /endrant

[Kori Ellis]

Bowen weighing in...

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[Mugen]

Fuck Kawhi for now, but goddamn Colin Cowherd and Jason Whitlock are the two biggest cuck's/douchebags always ripping on Pop. Fuck that.

All of a sudden they are on Kawhi's nuts because he's challenging Pop, but just a year ago they were dismissing Kawhi as a system player.

Gotta get this off my chest /endrant

Your real problem was listening to Cowherd in the first place, brotha.

[spurraider21]

Bowen weighing in...

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[NASpurs]

Shams said the Spurs even talked to teams in the East "like the Wizards". WTF do the Wizards even have to offer...

[ernest787]

Shams said the Spurs even talked to teams in the East "like the Wizards". WTF do the Wizards even have to offer...

Beal

[baseline bum]

Bowen weighing in...

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No shit. The same franchise that refused to let an injured Duncan play to try to defend a title is going to try to screw over their best player for a short term gain? I hated hearing these comparisons to Isaiah Thomas in Boston as if the Spurs have ever run their players into the ground.

[Marcus Bryant]

Plus next summer, after having perhaps not the full supermax but nonetheless signed an extension much greater than he could've gotten anywhere else he could've taken the position that I don't want to play for anyone other than Pop in SA and cajoled his way to a trade, with his rep very much intact.

[KDKSpurs24]

Fuck Kawhi for now, but goddamn Colin Cowherd and Jason Whitlock are the two biggest cuck's/douchebags always ripping on Pop. Fuck that.

All of a sudden they are on Kawhi's nuts because he's challenging Pop, but just a year ago they were dismissing Kawhi as a system player.

Gotta get this off my chest /endrant
I was saying this earlier. Especially Colin. It’s because Kawhi can end up in a big market that he has hopped on his nuts.

[NASpurs]

Beal

There's rumors about Gortat being traded to the Western conference. Blah.

[baseline bum]

Shams said the Spurs even talked to teams in the East "like the Wizards". WTF do the Wizards even have to offer...

Sry was taking a shit, anything else interesting from Shams?

[Marcus Bryant]

No shit. The same franchise that refused to let an injured Duncan play to try to defend a title is going to try to screw over their best player for a short term gain? I hated hearing these comparisons to Isaiah Thomas in Boston as if the Spurs have ever run their players into the ground.

I don't think many believe his claims are real.

[picnroll]

Bowen weighing in...

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Hopefully more Spurs and ex-Spurs will call this punk out. Hopefully Spurs have hard proof that the Lakers tampered so he’s barred from playing for them, Spurs get compensation for damages and Magic gets tossed out of the league for repetitive cheating.

[RD2191]

Bowen salty about Kawhi going back to back DPOY :lol

[NASpurs]

Sry was taking a shit, anything else interesting from Shams?

Nope, just the same old outside of the Wizards info.

[Marcus Bryant]

Shams said the Spurs even talked to teams in the East "like the Wizards". WTF do the Wizards even have to offer...

Hey man, we tried to trade you...looks like you'll have to play here next season.

[picnroll]

Bowen salty about Kawhi going back to back DPOY :lol
What a dumbshit.

[RD2191]

What a dumbshit.

Bowen? Agreed.

[baseline bum]

Hey man, we tried to trade you...looks like you'll have to play here next season.

I wouldn't play him and invest another season in him. He's gone, next year is time to tank for a high lottery pick.

[duncan2k5]

No shit. The same franchise that refused to let an injured Duncan play to try to defend a title is going to try to screw over their best player for a short term gain? I hated hearing these comparisons to Isaiah Thomas in Boston as if the Spurs have ever run their players into the ground.

The truth is ppl change... If they misdiagnosed the guys injury and got mad he wanted a second opinion, then proceeded to throw shade at him as if he was faking it, I can understand why he would be pissed... That's no way to treat the franchise player... Kawhi has built the benefit of the doubt during his years here, and ppl now wanna throw that away based on assumptions? The one thing we know for certain is that the FO has been salty about not letting Manu and Parker go out with a blaze of glory... And Pop is waaay more loyal to them than Kawhi... So I'm sure that clouded his judgment... When he had Duncan, there was no one else to be loyal to but Duncan...

[Pavlov]

The truth is ppl change... If they misdiagnosed the guys injury and got mad he wanted a second opinion, then proceeded to throw shade at him as if he was faking it, I can understand why he would be pissed... That's no way to treat the franchise player... Kawhi has built the benefit of the doubt during his years here, and ppl now wanna throw that away based on assumptions? The one thing we know for certain is that the FO has been salty about not letting Manu and Parker go out with a blaze of glory... And Pop is waaay more loyal to them than Kawhi... So I'm sure that clouded his judgment... When he had Duncan, there was no one else to be loyal to but Duncan...lol assumptions

[baseline bum]

The truth is ppl change... If they misdiagnosed the guys injury and got mad he wanted a second opinion, then proceeded to throw shade at him as if he was faking it, I can understand why he would be pissed... That's no way to treat the franchise player... Kawhi has built the benefit of the doubt during his years here, and ppl now wanna throw that away based on assumptions? The one thing we know for certain is that the FO has been salty about not letting Manu and Parker go out with a blaze of glory... And Pop is waaay more loyal to them than Kawhi... So I'm sure that clouded his judgment... When he had Duncan, there was no one else to be loyal to but Duncan...

What a load of bullshit. Kawhi has been using his own doctors instead of the team's since August. He was fine in August when he went to China.

[Marcus Bryant]

Remember Kawhi's surgery? Come on, this injury claim is bullshit.

[picnroll]

The truth is ppl change... If they misdiagnosed the guys injury and got mad he wanted a second opinion, then proceeded to throw shade at him as if he was faking it, I can understand why he would be pissed... That's no way to treat the franchise player... Kawhi has built the benefit of the doubt during his years here, and ppl now wanna throw that away based on assumptions? The one thing we know for certain is that the FO has been salty about not letting Manu and Parker go out with a blaze of glory... And Pop is waaay more loyal to them than Kawhi... So I'm sure that clouded his judgment... When he had Duncan, there was no one else to be loyal to but Duncan...
What a load of horseshit. Myositis ossificans is not a hard diagnosis with an MRI.

[Seventyniner]

What a load of bullshit. Kawhi has been using his own doctors instead of the team's since August. He was fine in August when he went to China.

Ironic that he came back made of china.

[benefactor]

The truth is ppl change... If they misdiagnosed the guys injury and got mad he wanted a second opinion, then proceeded to throw shade at him as if he was faking it, I can understand why he would be pissed... That's no way to treat the franchise player... Kawhi has built the benefit of the doubt during his years here, and ppl now wanna throw that away based on assumptions? The one thing we know for certain is that the FO has been salty about not letting Manu and Parker go out with a blaze of glory... And Pop is waaay more loyal to them than Kawhi... So I'm sure that clouded his judgment... When he had Duncan, there was no one else to be loyal to but Duncan...
:lol...let it go man. All these narratives you have created are just that. Kawhi wants to be in LA. Everything else is just noise and excuses to attempt to justify that exit.

[r0drig0lac]

The truth is ppl change... If they misdiagnosed the guys injury and got mad he wanted a second opinion, then proceeded to throw shade at him as if he was faking it, I can understand why he would be pissed... That's no way to treat the franchise player... Kawhi has built the benefit of the doubt during his years here, and ppl now wanna throw that away based on assumptions? The one thing we know for certain is that the FO has been salty about not letting Manu and Parker go out with a blaze of glory... And Pop is waaay more loyal to them than Kawhi... So I'm sure that clouded his judgment... When he had Duncan, there was no one else to be loyal to but Duncan...

man....

[xtremesteven33]

Kawhi just should've came out and said i don't wanna be here anymore. Would've worked out better for all parties in the end. No, it's looking more and more like he wants to leave the Spurs a dismantled franchise.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The truth is ppl change... If they misdiagnosed the guys injury and got mad he wanted a second opinion, then proceeded to throw shade at him as if he was faking it, I can understand why he would be pissed... That's no way to treat the franchise player... Kawhi has built the benefit of the doubt during his years here, and ppl now wanna throw that away based on assumptions? The one thing we know for certain is that the FO has been salty about not letting Manu and Parker go out with a blaze of glory... And Pop is waaay more loyal to them than Kawhi... So I'm sure that clouded his judgment... When he had Duncan, there was no one else to be loyal to but Duncan...

Truly pathetic. Per par.

[baseline bum]

:lol...let it go man. All these narratives you have created are just that. Kawhi wants to be in LA. Everything else is just noise and excuses to attempt to justify that exit.

He just gotta remember to always wipe front to back.

[bklynspursfan]

I appreciate what Bruce is saying.. at the same time I wish they would chill until he's officially gone lol. If there's even a small % that he and Pop can work it out, can't fan the flames even more.

If/when he's dealt, go nuts

[picnroll]

I appreciate what Bruce is saying.. at the same time I wish they would chill until he's officially gone lol. If there's even a small % that he and Pop can work it out, can't fan the flames even more.

If/when he's dealt, go nuts
Not that I want the bitch back but better chance he comes back is if public opinion turned massively against him threatening his financial future endorsement-wise.

[RD2191]

Ayton will be a bust

[K...]

Ayton will be a bust

He's a Phoenix sun, its a lock

[spursistan]

The truth is ppl change... If they misdiagnosed the guys injury and got mad he wanted a second opinion, then proceeded to throw shade at him as if he was faking it, I can understand why he would be pissed... That's no way to treat the franchise player... Kawhi has built the benefit of the doubt during his years here, and ppl now wanna throw that away based on assumptions? The one thing we know for certain is that the FO has been salty about not letting Manu and Parker go out with a blaze of glory... And Pop is waaay more loyal to them than Kawhi... So I'm sure that clouded his judgment... When he had Duncan, there was no one else to be loyal to but Duncan...
Dude, just stop..You are royally embarrassing yourself. It is really not even funny anymore.

[RD2191]

He's a Phoenix sun, its a lock

Exactly:lol

[Leetonidas]

Sad af people still buying this fake injury bullshit. It was a ruse man. He was never really injured

[spursreport]

Not that I want the bitch back but better chance he comes back is if public opinion turned massively against him threatening his financial future endorsement-wise.

Oh cut the shit. Kawhi is a top 2-3 player in the NBA. If he and Pop work shit out, you’ll be on your dick sucking knees for him after half a quarter of play from him in a fucking preseason game. You are 100% lying to yourself if you deny that. Either that, or you aren’t a spurs fan. GMAFB with this bullshit.

[picnroll]

Oh cut the shit. Kawhi is a top 2-3 player in the NBA. If he and Pop work shit out, you’ll be on your dick sucking knees for him after half a quarter of play from him in a fucking preseason game. You are 100% lying to yourself if you deny that. Either that, or you aren’t a spurs fan. GMAFB with this bullshit.
Wanna bet. Name the amount. I’m in.

[spursreport]

Wanna bet. Name the amount. I’m in.

I don’t need to. If he and Pop make amends and he is beasting, you’ll embrace him jizzing all over your face like a white chick does with a black thug after sex. Your emotions are speaking for you like every other spurs fan. This is a typical fan. Winning will cure everything. Spare me the “moral code” bullshit. Kobe raped and Rey Lewis murdered and those fanbases got on their cock sucking knees. You’ll easily do the same.

[r0drig0lac]

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:lmao :lmao eat shit pig fuckers

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HoF twitter post.

[RD2191]

:lol fun looking family

[dbreiden83080]

The truth is ppl change... If they misdiagnosed the guys injury and got mad he wanted a second opinion, then proceeded to throw shade at him as if he was faking it, I can understand why he would be pissed... That's no way to treat the franchise player... Kawhi has built the benefit of the doubt during his years here, and ppl now wanna throw that away based on assumptions? The one thing we know for certain is that the FO has been salty about not letting Manu and Parker go out with a blaze of glory... And Pop is waaay more loyal to them than Kawhi... So I'm sure that clouded his judgment... When he had Duncan, there was no one else to be loyal to but Duncan...

I have said this before in fact you and I even talked about it. He was not misdiagnosed. If he was misdiagnosed the man would have had some type of surgery by now. He has not had surgery. It is not like the Spurs told him he was completely healthy, then he went to New York for a second opinion, and suddenly he was going under the knife to fix the quad. They examined him and told him he needed rest and rehab. He got rest and rehab. Then he proceeded to sit out the entire season. Nobody misdiagnosed anything. You have to understand he’s being examined by some of the best doctors in the country. You don’t think they know how to properly diagnose a simple quad injury?

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One last point I forgot — since the Spurs have nothing more to lose, since one way or the other their title-contending era is over, there is something to be said for making an example of someone who pulls the shit Leonard has pulled. $100 million is a lot of money to piss away.

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I think the Spurs are just letting the market set the price for Kawhi...everybody knows that the Spurs are in a bad spot...and everybody knows that you get pennies on the dollar in these scenarios...so there's no benefit to the Spurs in prematurely setting the price floor by actively seeking out trades. By publicly saying that they're still hoping to retain Kawhi but privately listening to unsolicited offers, they're basically saying we don't want to trade him but if you blow us out of the water, we might do it. This way, the team is letting the other 29 teams bid against their own imagination/fears and against each other. It's a good play, particularly given that the Spurs don't really have many options. I do believe that they want to trade him at this point.

Solid post. I'd bet money that's precisely their position/strategy.

[MoSpur02]

Trade Green, Gasol, or Mills to the Clippers for their pick so the Spurs can select Porter Jr

[Joseph Kony]

I don’t need to. If he and Pop make amends and he is beasting, you’ll embrace him jizzing all over your face like a white chick does with a black thug after sex. Your emotions are speaking for you like every other spurs fan. This is a typical fan. Winning will cure everything. Spare me the “moral code” bullshit. Kobe raped and Rey Lewis murdered and those fanbases got on their cock sucking knees. You’ll easily do the same.

get this goyim cuck shit out of here you fucking faggot

[baseline bum]

Trade Green, Gasol, or Mills to the Clippers for their pick so the Spurs can select Porter Jr

Oh yeah the Clippers gotta be dying to land that package.

[NASpurs]

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[RD2191]

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Tf are the Spurs doing?

[MoSpur02]

Not a bad offer from the Clippers

[spurraider21]

Tf are the Spurs doing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqHP2MQcVYo

[MoSpur02]

They need to take back salary though. Maybe throw in Lou Williams

[objective]

Glad the Spurs turned that crap deal down

[Marcus Bryant]

Sorry Jerry.

[HarlemHeat37]

Rejected both the Clippers and Lakers..damn, maybe they really are going to go the petty route and force Kawhi to play this out next season:lol

I don't mind it, should be entertaining..

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Ironic that he came back made of china.

:rollin

[Lostwingman]

Tf, is that a young Guy Fiere?
We all wish.

[RD2191]

We all wish.

Nice :lol

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Rejected both the Clippers and Lakers..damn, maybe they really are going to go the petty route and force Kawhi to play this out next season:lol

I don't mind it, should be entertaining..

Petty? Because they turned down a 12, 13, and a good player on an expiring contract?

You're smarter than that.

I'd actually consider it were Lou Will included. Just because he's signed to such a laughably good contract for 3 more years. Plus you fuck the Lakers at the same time.

[marinoman]

So I guess the spurs are going to start the season with kawhi

[MoSpur02]

Michael C Wright just tweeted it's too late to move KL

[spurraider21]

back when kirby demanded a trade lakers held tight, brought in pau, and the rest is history

[apalisoc_9]

Hostage your franchise out of pettiness.

And this is suppose to be the best organization. An All business organization

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[exstatic]

So I guess the spurs are going to start the season with kawhi

Pop’s going to wait out Magic’s July moves before he makes his. Getting their cap all used up helps our cause.

[spurraider21]

Hostage your franchise out of pettiness.
can you stop talking about kawhi for 1 damn minute

[Mr. Body]

Tf are the Spurs doing?

Junk.

[Budkin]

Hostage your franchise out of pettiness.

And this is suppose to be the best organization. An All business organization

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Why do you even follow the Spurs?

[exstatic]

Michael C Wright just tweeted it's too late to move KL

WTF does that even mean?

[apalisoc_9]

So what do the spurs do when Kawhi walks out next season?

No decent picks, unfixable reputation as an unfriendly organization to play for as a superatar..etc.

Spurs just killed their future cause uncle Dennis said Fuck pop.

Straight petty decision. Not a Business Decision.

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[MoSpur02]

The Suns are gonna move Smith to Philly. The 76ers have a lot of young pieces. Maybe to package them to try to get Kawhi.

[spurschamps99030507]

Rejected both the Clippers and Lakers..damn, maybe they really are going to go the petty route and force Kawhi to play this out next season:lol

I don't mind it, should be entertaining..

I like it

[objective]

WTF does that even mean?

I'm guessing it's just a way to say no deals will be announced tonight, so everyone can go back to sleep

[Spurs da champs]

back when kirby demanded a trade lakers held tight, brought in pau, and the rest is history
Is it really about winning tho? He wants LA regardless.

[spurraider21]

Is it really about winning tho?
not necessarily. but they were able to repair a broken relationship.

[MoSpur02]

Lonnie Walker!!

[phyzik]

Keep Kawhi at all costs at this point... if the Spurs didn't trade him before the draft, hold onto him for as long as possible.... If he is disgruntled with Parker and his shit talking, which I Understand, dump Parker at some point if that would make Kawhi happy enough to stay.... and I'd even be willing to get rid of Ginobili if there is some animosity there as well.

[Mikeanaro]

Keep Kawhi at all costs at this point... if the Spurs didn't trade him before the draft, hold onto him for as long as possible.... If he is disgruntled with Parker and his shit talking, which I Understand, dump Parker at some point if that would make Kawhi happy enough to stay.... and I'd even be willing to get rid of Ginobili if there is some animosity there as well.
What happens when Kawhi dies?

[BackHome]

Fiesta in SA.

[Ice009]

So what do the spurs do when Kawhi walks out next season?

No decent picks, unfixable reputation as an unfriendly organization to play for as a superatar..etc.

Spurs just killed their future cause uncle Dennis said Fuck pop.

Straight petty decision. Not a Business Decision.

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FUCK YOU AND FUCK KAWHI. Those amateur fucks aren't going to force the Spurs hand. If he was healthy and sat out, then those fucks did this to themselves.

[tim_duncan_fan]

So....the plan is to watch him rot on the bench then, yes?

What's the point in taking less than what we can get for him right now later on?

We must intend to just punish him, which I'm cool with, really.

[weebo]

No big trades--bummer. I'm starting to believe chicken shit and Pop kissed and made up--I could see the Spurs announcing they signed chicken shit to a superdupermax contract.

[Budkin]

ESPN having an absolute meltdown right now that Kawhi hasn’t been traded to the Lakers yet.

[coachmac87]

ESPN having an absolute meltdown right now that Kawhi hasn’t been traded to the Lakers yet.

How so?

[daslicer]

I'm fine with the Spurs pettiness since they are not going to get anything close to equal value for him. Let this idiot suffer for another year along with his uncle.

[daslicer]

ESPN having an absolute meltdown right now that Kawhi hasn’t been traded to the Lakers yet.

:lol

[midnightpulp]

Wow. West offered about 75 cents on the dollar there. I expected him to be hungry, and the Spurs aren't ever going to get a better offer than that going forward. The fact they turned it down suggests a few possibilities: The silver lining is that Kawhi and the Spurs repaired their rift and possibly got him and Uncle Dennis to verbally commit to the supermax. The very shiny silver lining includes all of that in addition to the Spurs assuring Kawhi they have a plan to bring a top FA to the team (hint: Lebron). The flip side is that the Spurs aren't going to cave in order to frustrate Kawhi and Dennis for another year to make a point that their organization won't be manipulated by the kind of bush league shit Kawhi and Co. pulled. The Spurs see something in Ingram and Ball/Kuzma and are waiting for the Lakers to offer the proverbial farm (least likely, since they shut down the Lakers earlier, but the Spurs could simply be playing the hard sell).

All I got.

[Marcus Bryant]

West was trying to buy low fuck that.

[baseline bum]

Wow. West offered about 75 cents on the dollar there. I expected him to be hungry, and the Spurs aren't ever going to get a better offer than that going forward. The fact they turned it down suggests a few possibilities: The silver lining is that Kawhi and the Spurs repaired their rift and possibly got him and Uncle Dennis to verbally commit to the supermax. The very shiny silver lining includes all of that in addition to the Spurs assuring Kawhi they have a plan to bring a top FA to the team (hint: Lebron). The flip side is that the Spurs aren't going to cave in order to frustrate Kawhi and Dennis for another year to make a point that their organization won't be manipulated by the kind of bush league shit Kawhi and Co. pulled. The Spurs see something in Ingram and Ball/Kuzma and are waiting for the Lakers to offer the proverbial farm (least likely, since they shut down the Lakers earlier, but the Spurs could simply be playing the hard sell).

All I got.

Two late lottery picks and Harris is about 25 cents on the dollar. The fuck are you smoking mid?

[tim_duncan_fan]

Two late lottery picks and Harris is about 25 cents on the dollar. The fuck are you smoking mid?

Lol what do you think we are going to get for him, if PATFO doesn't hold on him just to watch him squirm?

[baseline bum]

Lol what do you think we are going to get for him, if PATFO doesn't hold on him just to watch him squirm?

If that's the best offer I'll take nothing.

[Hoops Czar]

Two late lottery picks and Harris is about 25 cents on the dollar. The fuck are you smoking mid?
Wasn't that the Clippers?

[midnightpulp]

Two late lottery picks and Harris is about 25 cents on the dollar. The fuck are you smoking mid?

Yeah, I'm overrating the two lottery picks. But that's likely the best offer the Spurs are ever gonna get, so them turning it down is interesting.

[baseline bum]

75 cents on the dollar would be like Klay Thompson and a first.

[objective]

Two late lottery picks and Harris is about 25 cents on the dollar. The fuck are you smoking mid?

25 cents seems high.

an expiring Tobias Harris and two picks that were probably no better than Walker on the Spurs board. Who will be stuck in Austin anyway.

MAYBE if Tobias was locked into a 4/40 deal and was a great long term value contract.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Wasn't that the Clippers?

West is with the Clippers.

[baseline bum]

Yeah, I'm overrating the two lottery picks. But that's likely the best offer the Spurs are ever gonna get, so them turning it down is interesting.

That offer is shit. Actually was it even both picks? Everything I heard before the draft was one of the picks and Harris.

[objective]

If that's the best offer I'll take nothing.

hell, I'd let him walk and take the chance that they'll get a 5th round compensatory pick in the 2020 NFL draft

You can trade those now

[Hoops Czar]

West is with the Clippers.
But Mid was talking about the Lakers trade scenario.

[midnightpulp]

Oh, and Harris ranked 15th among SFs in RPM this season and is only 25. Him + the two lottery picks (Spurs develop better than anyone else in the league) was a strong offer considering the circumstances of the situation.

[HarlemHeat37]

Oh, and Harris ranked 15th among SFs in RPM this season and is only 25. Him + the two lottery picks (Spurs develop better than anyone else in the league) was a strong offer considering the circumstances of the situation.

Problem with Harris is that he's expiring..he isn't nearly as appealing when you factor the contract he's going to command for a team to keep him beyond next season..

[midnightpulp]

That offer is shit. Actually was it even both picks? Everything I heard before the draft was one of the picks and Harris.

In this thread I read it was both picks. I don't know the depth of this draft. Anyone at that level a sleeper? Remember, Spurs develop better than everyone.

[midnightpulp]

Problem with Harris is that he's expiring..he isn't nearly as appealing when you factor the contract he's going to command for a team to keep him beyond next season..

True.

[Kindergarten Cop]

But Mid was talking about the Lakers trade scenario.

I'm not sure. I took it as the Clippers when he opened up the post talking about what West (presumably Jerry, Clippers' FO member) offered the Spurs - and then followed with Harris and picks in Clippers' range.

[baseline bum]

Oh, and Harris ranked 15th among SFs in RPM this season and is only 25. Him + the two lottery picks (Spurs develop better than anyone else in the league) was a strong offer considering the circumstances of the situation.

No it wasn't. That's giving Kawhi away. I don't ever expect to get 75 cents on the dollar for Leonard. An absolute best case would be maybe getting 60 cents on the dollar with Tatum. But I'm not giving him away for picks 12 & 13 unless RC is in love with a prospect available there. Apparently he wasn't.

[objective]

Oh, and Harris ranked 15th among SFs in RPM this season and is only 25. Him + the two lottery picks (Spurs develop better than anyone else in the league) was a strong offer considering the circumstances of the situation.

Kyle Anderson ranked 6th at age 24

Seems less impressive now