Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[Down Under]

No matter what happens here, I think people will start to realise that Kawhi dogged it & he sat out while he was healthy. The media often support the player in these situations, but eventually they'll look back realise that none of what was being leaked was from his mouth & he was just trusting probably the most disorganised, clueless 'agent' in sports. The fact that he was cleared by the most conservative medical staff in sports along with being 'close' after his 2nd opinion & rehab, then out for the season is a pretty big giveaway.

[daslicer]

No matter what happens here, I think people will start to realise that Kawhi dogged it & he sat out while he was healthy. The media often support the player in these situations, but eventually they'll look back realise that none of what was being leaked was from his mouth & he was just trusting probably the most disorganised, clueless 'agent' in sports. The fact that he was cleared by the most conservative medical staff in sports along with being 'close' after his 2nd opinion & rehab, then out for the season is a pretty big giveaway.

I'm very cynical about the media ever being honest about this situation especially if Kawhi goes to the Lakers. I could see them turning a blind eye towards what Kawhi did as long as he makes the Lakers great again.

[goliath]

Which team will Kawhi Leonard start the 2018-19 season with?

Forecast Results
TEAM VOTE (%)
Spurs 48.5
Lakers 21.2
76ers 18.2
Celtics 12.1

Which team will Kawhi Leonard finish the 2018-19 season with?

Forecast Results
TEAM VOTE (%)
Lakers 30.3
76ers 27.3
Spurs 24.2
Celtics 15.2
Cavaliers 3.0


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23929877/predicting-nba-free-agency-lebron-james-kawhi-leonard-paul-george

[objective]

I will say that its easy to just say that the Spurs should just mail it in and rebuild when you're not the one who's job depends on keeping people in the seats. This same spoiled ass fan base that is threatening to quit on the team if they make a bad trade because their star player put them in an unwinnable situation is the same that's not going to sow up when they are going 20-62 for a few years in a row. The Spurs aren't in Philly and they're not going to operate like they are.

If they trade Kawhi to the Lakers, you think there won't be a massive decline in sales and butts in seats? When it comes to business, trading him to LA and watching him win titles as the national media crows about and reinforces the narrative that SA doesn't treat players well ... That is the worst thing they can do.

In this day and age, no one has to be a fan of anyone. Every game from every team in every major sport in the world is accessible in an instant. The only thing that keeps most people fans is an emotional connection.

If the Spurs give Kawhi to the fans most hated rival, and without Duncan, soon to be no Ginobili ... That connection will lessen or sever for so many, the attrition so significant, that the finances of the team may not recover for decades.

The Charlotte Hornets were the NBA's most popular home team, sellouts galore. The toast of the league. But when the fans turned on them due to the owner, that was it. It's been 20 years, and they still aren't back. That's what can happen when the fans collectively move on.

[gambit1990]

kyrie is a dead end. PASS.

[BatManu20]

Trade Aldridge back to Portland for Jusuf Nurkic



Nurkic is a bit of a diva, probably more than Aldridge and not nearly as good.


Nurkic is a FA next Summer and I seriously doubt Portland would trade him for LMA considering he’s 10 years younger. They like Nurkic. But he’s set to be paid a lot of money next Summer, and I don’t want to be the team who pays him.

[BatManu20]

Saric+Covington+Fultz+Miami's 2021 pick

That would likely be our best bet, but Fultz isn’t being included in any deal by Philly at this point.

[superbigtime]

Was really hoping this situation would have turned around by now. Instead it's just building momentum toward Kawhi's departure which will be a gut punch. This is a terrible predicament for the Spurs. Wondering if the bad contracts with Mills and Pau are actually a big deal to him. SA has always been the perfect fit for this guy or at least so it always has seemed to me. This out of where drama has blind sided everybody. Very difficult not to think of him in a very negative light at the moment. I never gave a damn that Kawhi wasn't a talker and still don't, but I wish this guy would say what's on his damn mind. If he refuses to go to the locker room, what can the Spurs truly do. I just don't get him now at all but I've really enjoyed watching a player of his caliber. Spurs are going to need some serious fortune going forward to offset losing Kawhi. What they have now is hot crap, promising rookie notwithstanding. I bet Kawhi rarely gets injured going forward, just to stick it to us all the more. Kawhi what's WRONG WITH YOU DUDE???!!!!

[marinoman]

I'm with you but the Spurs realize Lakers are getting Kawaii regardless so should we get something for him now?
Not necessarily, if lakers give 2 other players the max kawhi would have to take an even bigger paycut to go there. Clippers go in the driver seat then, plus things can change, for instance he gets traded to Boston and terry rozier becomes his best friend, kawhi refuses to leave him

[daslicer]

If they trade Kawhi to the Lakers, you think there won't be a massive decline in sales and butts in seats? When it comes to business, trading him to LA and watching him win titles as the national media crows about and reinforces the narrative that SA doesn't treat players well ... That is the worst thing they can do.

In this day and age, no one has to be a fan of anyone. Every game from every team in every major sport in the world is accessible in an instant. The only thing that keeps most people fans is an emotional connection.

If the Spurs give Kawhi to the fans most hated rival, and without Duncan, soon to be no Ginobili ... That connection will lessen or sever for so many, the attrition so significant, that the finances of the team may not recover for decades.

The Charlotte Hornets were the NBA's most popular home team, sellouts galore. The toast of the league. But when the fans turned on them due to the owner, that was it. It's been 20 years, and they still aren't back. That's what can happen when the fans collectively move on.

I grew up in NC so I remember how the Hornets were super popular back in the day with ZO and LJ. They used have sell out crowds that were even better than current day Oracle. Once they traded ZO and then LJ that's when people stopped caring about the team. It also stung to see both ZO and LJ have more success with their new franchises.

[KDKSpurs24]

Besides, what's so spoiled about wanting to sit Kawhi and embracing the hard rebuild instead of convincing ourselves that the Spurs can still contend with average replacements?
There are other players on the team to think about. You want to be selfish and have them keep going through these distractions for a full season? And don’t bring up the money they’re making.

[dbestpro]

At this point I say you either keep him or work out a deal with the 76ers. Boston wants to play low ball and the Lakers players are too immature to play for Pop. The Lakers have shown their hand and said they will go after another allstar if they can't get Kawhi. That means by the end of next season they may not have the money anyway to sign Kawhi. Also, if they do, there are free agents like Tobias Harris and Klay Thompson that could be had and better than anything the Lakers could pull together today.

[marinoman]

There are other players on the team to think about. You want to be selfish and have them keep going through these distractions for a full season? And don’t bring up the money they’re making.
What players? Other than Aldridge no ones even a starter on a mediocre team

[RGMCSE]

There are other players on the team to think about. You want to be selfish and have them keep going through these distractions for a full season? And don’t bring up the money they’re making.

Trading kawhi to the fucking lakers ain’t helping the players on the spurs.

[daslicer]

There are other players on the team to think about. You want to be selfish and have them keep going through these distractions for a full season? And don’t bring up the money they’re making.

They'll be fine they are all multi millionaires.

[BatManu20]

Since the spurs don’t wanna rebuild, I don’t either, you get at least 1 established good player. The best ive heard so far is Irving and some late pick

Then Kyrie, who is also coming off season-ending knee surgery, bolts to NY for nothing next Summer. Too much risk. Wouldn’t do it unless Brown is part of the package, which he wouldn’t be. Therefor, would much rather trade for draft picks and/or young players under contract.

[KDKSpurs24]

Trading kawhi to the fucking lakers ain’t helping the players on the spurs.
He was talking about sitting Kawhi for a whole season and letting him walk. That doesn’t help either. I’m in the camp that wants SOMETHING back.

[KDKSpurs24]

They'll be fine they are all multi millionaires.
I knew someone would challenge me with the money comment. That ain’t stopping Kawhi from whatever mental breakdown he’s having.

[daslicer]

I knew someone would challenge me with the money comment. That ain’t stopping Kawhi from whatever mental breakdown he’s having.

I'm all for Kawhi suffering a mental breakdown. Hell if he suffers that in front of the team that's karmic justice for all the bs he's pulled this year.

[dbestpro]

He was talking about sitting Kawhi for a whole season and letting him walk. That doesn’t help either. I’m in the camp that wants SOMETHING back.

Sign another free agent. There will be free agents available if Leonard walks that's better than anything offered.

[objective]

There are other players on the team to think about. You want to be selfish and have them keep going through these distractions for a full season? And don’t bring up the money they’re making.

They made it through last season

How good will they feel knowing the Spurs gave up before they had to and gave away their best player and chance at contention?

[daslicer]

Sign another free agent. There will be free agents available if Leonard walks that's better than anything offered.

This is more logical and more practical. Spurs are not going to get top notch FA's but the ones they will land would be equivalent or better than what they would get by trading Kawhi.

[KDKSpurs24]

Sign another free agent. There will be free agents available if Leonard walks that's better than anything offered.
What indication do you have that any star wants to come here? Because there is none. It won’t happen. It would barely even have a chance of happening if we’re the only team with cap space.

[KDKSpurs24]

This is more logical and more practical. Spurs are not going to get top notch FA's but the ones they will land would be equivalent or better than what they would get by trading Kawhi.
I doubt it.

[marinoman]

Then Kyrie, who is also coming off season-ending knee surgery, bolts to NY for nothing next Summer. Too much risk. Wouldn’t do it unless Brown is part of the package, which he wouldn’t be. Therefor, would much rather trade for draft picks and/or young players under contract.
Its not a good deal and id hold out, but to me its the best deal so far. I know he’s mentioned NY but SA was on top of his list last year not sure how much was cause kawhi is/was here. Mid round picks aren’t usually stars. Even top 10 picks are very often meh at best. Go look at some drafts past pick 5, there are 1 or 2 stars/superstars in there and it generally takes a few years

[daslicer]

I doubt it.

Spurs are getting offered role players for Kawhi. They would get the same type of role players in FA.

[objective]

There are other players on the team to think about. You want to be selfish and have them keep going through these distractions for a full season? And don’t bring up the money they’re making.

I'll give you it to you though, the players can influence the Spurs to trade him

Apparently the other Spurs hating Rodman played a big role in trading him. And giving him exactly what he wanted

So I could picture pressure from LMA, Manu, etc influencing what they do and convincing them of whichever course they take

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs are getting offered role players for Kawhi. They would get the same type of role players in FA.
Kyrie Irving is hardly a role player.

[objective]

Spurs are getting offered role players for Kawhi. They would get the same type of role players in FA.

Exactly. Spurs can get a kuzma. Or a Saric. Nobody that's a real difference maker.

And Kawhi has already killed the Spurs reputation. Trading him won't change that.

[KDKSpurs24]

Spurs are getting offered role players for Kawhi. They would get the same type of role players in FA.
I’m a little higher on them than most I guess. But not gonna get any guys on rookie deals that have a chance of developing. These role players in free agency are most likely at their ceiling. I wonder why most people here aren’t having faith in our development process like they used to.

[KDKSpurs24]

I'll give you it to you though, the players can influence the Spurs to trade him

Apparently the other Spurs hating Rodman played a big role in trading him. And giving him exactly what he wanted

So I could picture pressure from LMA, Manu, etc influencing what they do and convincing them of whichever course they take
That’s mainly what I’m saying. The Spurs players more than likely won’t want to deal with that.

[KDKSpurs24]

Kyrie Irving is hardly a role player.
Unfortunately he could just leave us after the season.

[objective]

If it's true that the Spurs don't want to max Kawhi, then I really can't see them maxing Irving, even it is only the regular Max and not there super max

[cd021]

Nurkic is a FA next Summer and I seriously doubt Portland would trade him for LMA considering he’s 10 years younger. They like Nurkic. But he’s set to be paid a lot of money next Summer, and I don’t want to be the team who pays him.

I think they may let him walk if they can get a stop gap center, he thinks he's worth way more than he actually is.

[MannyIsGod]

If they trade Kawhi to the Lakers, you think there won't be a massive decline in sales and butts in seats? When it comes to business, trading him to LA and watching him win titles as the national media crows about and reinforces the narrative that SA doesn't treat players well ... That is the worst thing they can do.

In this day and age, no one has to be a fan of anyone. Every game from every team in every major sport in the world is accessible in an instant. The only thing that keeps most people fans is an emotional connection.

If the Spurs give Kawhi to the fans most hated rival, and without Duncan, soon to be no Ginobili ... That connection will lessen or sever for so many, the attrition so significant, that the finances of the team may not recover for decades.

The Charlotte Hornets were the NBA's most popular home team, sellouts galore. The toast of the league. But when the fans turned on them due to the owner, that was it. It's been 20 years, and they still aren't back. That's what can happen when the fans collectively move on.

You're really going to compare a trade to a team leaving? OK.

[BatManu20]

“Sit on Kobe Bryant and force him to continue to wear a Laker jersey. You do not trade the best player in the world.”


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[MannyIsGod]

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2018/04/12/pacers-attendance-falls-but-they-know-next-year-going-different-story/510848002/

Indiana saw a drop last year early on when they traded PG. When they were winning, attendance came up. Unless you're Jabari Young, what ultimately matters is the team's performance on the court. Sure, the hornets used to have big stars, traded them, then the team move, and now they continuously suck so OF COURSE no one shows up.

Philly had huge attendance problems during their shit run. They could afford to do that because it was Philly. The Spurs will never have that luxury. They're never going to go into an extended tank mode. Spurs fans aren't going to give a shit about Kawhi being gone if the Spurs are still winning. If they just let him walk, and we win 20 games a year, then they're going to care bout Kawhi being gone because the Spurs suck.

[MannyIsGod]

“Sit on Kobe Bryant and force him to continue to wear a Laker jersey. You do not trade the best player in the world.”

“It will take the Lakers year’s to recover from this if they trade Kobe Bryant. If not decades.”


54uUrHK5Efk




Sound familiar? You do whatever it takes to keep Kawhi, tbh. Don’t re-sign Tony, hold Kawhi’s family hostage, hypnotize him, whatever. You do whatever it takes to keep Kawhi in a Spurs uniform.

LOL at using an 11 year old SAS clip to try and make a valid point. Really?

[objective]

You're really going to compare a trade to a team leaving? OK.

The leaving was incidental. The fans left before the team. Everyone assumed they'd be back with the bobcats. They weren't. They changed the name. Not the same.

Ignore context, that's your call.

[MannyIsGod]

The leaving was incidental. The fans left before the team. Everyone assumed they'd be back with the bobcats. They weren't. They changed the name. Not the same.

Ignore context, that's your call.

How am I the one ignoring context when you're literally disregarding a team leaving? I literally gave you a like for like example of a team trading a star with PG and the fans coming back because the team was competitive. You want to twist a franchise leaving and coming back as a shit team as the same thing? OK.

[MannyIsGod]

https://www.whatsthecap.com/nba/value-index/attendance/

Hornets had above average attendance 3 out of 4 years before they left. Tell me again how their trades were the problem?

[objective]

Above Average? That's it?

And the trades were bad, but it was the owner they were mad at.

[objective]

How am I the one ignoring context when you're literally disregarding a team leaving? I literally gave you a like for like example of a team trading a star with PG and the fans coming back because the team was competitive. You want to twist a franchise leaving and coming back as a shit team as the same thing? OK.

You give an example of a non contender NOT giving in and trading him to the team he was bullying them to ... And they got back a favorite son who was a Hoosier?

[MannyIsGod]

Above Average? That's it?

And the trades were bad, but it was the owner they were mad at.

lol @ "thats it" .
So now its not the trades? I mean, you should probably make up your mind whether it was the trades or not if your'e going to use them as the crux of your argument.

[MannyIsGod]

You give an example of a non contender NOT giving in and trading him to the team he was bullying them to ... And they got back a favorite son who was a Hoosier?

"favorite son"

You missed the point where attendance was lower with the "favorite son" and everyone thought the Pacers got ripped off. It wans't until it was clear they were winning that the attendance came back up. The people came back because they were WINNING, not because he was a "favorite son". Ultimately that's what matters to a fanbase. Not perceived "balls", not whether or not they traded someone, but whether or not the team is WINNING.

You an see this clearly in league wide attendance. There's a clear coloration with the team's success and the attendance figures. Look at the Philly figures during their tank. The Spurs going through multiple seasons of that are damn likely to increase the pressure on a move. Where's the franchise more valuable, in San Antonio with 12,000 people per game or in Seattle?

[MannyIsGod]

You want another example? Look at the attendance figures I linked above and look at the Raptors. Fans came right back after the Vince trade when the Raptors stated winning again.

[picnroll]

Giving in to Leonard and bending over to the colluding Lakers will just encourage other Spurs down the road to not take the Spurs or their contracts seriously. The contracts won’t be worth the paper they’re written on.

If Leonard goes to the Lakers in any trade this year the only games I’ll go to, and I’ll buy front row seats, is Lakers’ games and I’ll curse scumbag Leonard the entire game. I’ll have lost all respect for 5he Spurs.

[objective]

lol @ "thats it" .
So now its not the trades? I mean, you should probably make up your mind whether it was the trades or not if your'e going to use them as the crux of your argument.

Re-read MY post. It was about the owner turning off the fans, and they didn't come back like before with new ownership. If you don't know what the owner did, Google it. The point was that for many fans an emotional connection was lost and the hornets paid the price.


"favorite son"

You missed the point where attendance was lower with the "favorite son" and everyone thought the Pacers got ripped off. It wans't until it was clear they were winning that the attendance came back up. The people came back because they were WINNING, not because he was a "favorite son". Ultimately that's what matters to a fanbase. Not perceived "balls", not whether or not they traded someone, but whether or not the team is WINNING.

You an see this clearly in league wide attendance. There's a clear coloration with the team's success and the attendance figures. Look at the Philly figures during their tank. The Spurs going through multiple seasons of that are damn likely to increase the pressure on a move. Where's the franchise more valuable, in San Antonio with 12,000 people per game or in Seattle?

Who said anything about a Philly style rebuild of intentional badness? A hard rebuild to me is just that: recognizing that it's hard. Not pretending that some okay players you get back are the key to contention and milling about in mediocrity for years on end.

You and I disagree.

[BatManu20]

Lol at using an 11 year old SAS clip to try and make a valid point. Really?


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[-21-]

How about this?

Spurs get: Miami's 2021 1st, Orlando's 2019 1st, Dario Saric, Robert Covington, Nikola Vucevic
76ers get: Kawhi, Jonathon Simmons
Magic get: Markelle Fultz, Pau Gasol

The Spurs get a couple of good picks and some pieces to stay competitive with Pop and LMA still around. Philly gets Kawhi and Simmons (who iirc were buddies when they were both in SA). Orlando gets a PG other than DJ Augustin. They do take on Pau's contract but maybe it's a small price to pay for a former 1st pick in Fultz.

[duncan2150]

Not a bad deal, vuce and saric could be good additions.

Imo we’ll need a 3rd team involved To trade kawhi.

[objective]

You want another example? Look at the attendance figures I linked above and look at the Raptors. Fans came right back after the Vince trade when the Raptors stated winning again.

You don't think there's a difference between the only team in Canada and the Spurs? Maybe not, they were crap for years and didn't move.

But ...

That's a nice comparison, the Vince trade.

They definitely got something for Vince, he didn't walk for nothing. How did that work out?

Would you be happy with a Vince-level return on Kawhi?

[-21-]

Not a bad deal, vuce and saric could be good additions.

Imo we’ll need a 3rd team involved To trade kawhi.

Vucevic is an expiring too so if it doesn't work out PATFO could just let him walk.

[duncan2150]

Vucevic is an expiring too so if it doesn't work out PATFO could just let him walk.

I think him and saric are guys who can commit To stay long term in SA.

[MannyIsGod]

You don't think there's a difference between the only team in Canada and the Spurs? Maybe not, they were crap for years and didn't move.

But ...

That's a nice comparison, the Vince trade.

They definitely got something for Vince, he didn't walk for nothing. How did that work out?

Would you be happy with a Vince-level return on Kawhi?

I'm not going to be happy with any outcome of this. That's kind of the point. The Spurs are in a no win situation. This isn't about winning, it's about damage control. You don't trade away a top 5 player and ever win. I want the Spurs to get the best deal possible, but in no way do I expect a good outcome of this. You're delusional if you expect anything good.

The best outcome I can see is the Spurs remain a 50+ win team but get at least a couple of prospects and some draft picks. What Kawhi does and where he goes is fairly irrelevent to the Spurs success in the future as they aren't likely to be true contenders unless one of those prospects or picks pans out immediately.

[MannyIsGod]

Re-read MY post. It was about the owner turning off the fans, and they didn't come back like before with new ownership. If you don't know what the owner did, Google it. The point was that for many fans an emotional connection was lost and the hornets paid the price.



Who said anything about a Philly style rebuild of intentional badness? A hard rebuild to me is just that: recognizing that it's hard. Not pretending that some okay players you get back are the key to contention and milling about in mediocrity for years on end.

You and I disagree.

Yeah, and trading away Kawhi is in no place the equivalent of the Hornets situation. There's nothing about the Hornets situation that is comparable to this one.

50 win seasons are not mediocrity. Even if you're not a true title contender, there's a lot of value in 50+ win seasons. The Spurs don't need to get back much at all from a trade to be a 50+ win team that isn't a true contender. This is pretty much inarguable considering what they did with a team that was waiting for Kawhi the entire year.

There's nothing that will make this team a title contender outside of Kawhi all of a sudden having a change of heart and playing the way he did. Even then, chemistry might never recover.

The only way the Spurs are a contender again is through drafting a superstar, getting a young prospect that becomes a superstar, or developing one of their young players to that level. So while Ingram, Kuzman, Fultz, or Tatum are all unlikely to be superstars, there is a chance that one of them develops. That chance plus draft picks is better than zero chance if Kawhi walks.

[MannyIsGod]

People in this thread are shitting over Brandon Ingram as a prospect, but he's only 20. It's insane to shit on a 17 ppg guy at that age. Yeah, he's not likely to be a top 5 guy, but who the fuck is a sure thing? He's far from a shit prospect.

[RGMCSE]

People in this thread are shitting over Brandon Ingram as a prospect, but he's only 20. It's insane to shit on a 17 ppg guy at that age. Yeah, he's not likely to be a top 5 guy, but who the fuck is a sure thing? He's far from a shit prospect.

Why did he only play 59 games on a shitty team? Was he hurt? You seem to be in favor of doing a deal with the devil.

[tbdog]

If I'm getting magic involved it's because I want Isaac, who has defensive player of the year written on him. Don't think magic want Lonzo for him.

[LkrFan]

At the end of the day Kawhi is a got damn star and hopefully teams realize this and take a swing.

But he's a disgruntled star, like Pau was a decade ago. Plus he has made it clear he wants to don the P&G. No GM in their right mind will give up significant assets for a potential 1-year rental. Sure, he's worth more but given all the variables involved, Spurs PATFO is in a tough spot.

Can't bring him to camp because he's disgruntled and you can't just let him walk. For example, D12 walked and we got nothing in return...set us back 5 years (and counting). Can the Spurs afford NOT to trade him?

And who cares where he's traded to if I'm Spur fan. I'd want PATFO to get the best deal possible to jumpstart the rebuild tbh.

[r0drig0lac]

Prime Gallinari was every bit as good, slow, and unathletic as Saric, tbh.

healthy Gallinari is better than any Saric ever

[MoSpur02]

I'm not an expert on NBA rules, can Kawhi simply refuse to play and still get payed?

He got paid last year when he refused to play even though the Spurs medical staff cleared him.

[picnroll]

But he's a disgruntled star, like Pau was a decade ago. Plus he has made it clear he wants to don the P&G. No GM in their right mind will give up significant assets for a potential 1-year rental. Sure, he's worth more but given all the variables involved, Spurs PATFO is in a tough spot.

Can't bring him to camp because he's disgruntled and you can't just let him walk. For example, D12 walked and we got nothing in return...set us back 5 years (and counting). Can the Spurs afford NOT to trade him?

And who cares where he's traded to if I'm Spur fan. I'd want PATFO to get the best deal possible to jumpstart the rebuild tbh.
What held the Lakers back was cowtowing to Kobe and crappy front office drafting and free agent signing not losing Howard.

[LkrFan]

What held the Lakers back was cowtowing to Kobe and crappy front office drafting and free agent signing not losing Howard.

There you farmers go playing checkers again. You are partially correct...yes, the $48.5 milli deal was a mad hindrance in that present time...but it was a clear bat signal to future stars that if you sign with the Lakers, we'll take care of you even in the twilight years of your career.

Now they have maneuvered to create cap space to sign max players. Trust me, LBJ and others saw that fat contract Kobe signed...now if it actually entices him enough to sign with the Lakers remains to be seen . Stay tuned :lol

[r0drig0lac]

No, I don't follow other franchises in a serious way

They don't matter

The Spurs do

The Spurs don't have a big market. They don't have beaches. They don't have a billionaire owner. They don't have celebrities. They don't have a hip city. They don't have nightlife. They don't have a hot industry.

All they have is their word and their balls.

Once they break 'em, they have nothing.

And breaking them for the Lakers and a player who destroyed the franchise unprovoked, for no reason when he could have just minded his own business, opted out in 2019 and left ... Who went out of his way to screw them over ...

Then they won't be worth the trouble.

And by balls I mean self respect; a spine
+1

[picnroll]

There you farmers go playing checkers again. You are partially correct...yes, the $48.5 milli deal was a mad hindrance in that present time...but it was a clear bat signal to future stars that if you sign with the Lakers, we'll take care of you even in the twilight years of your career.

Now they have maneuvered to create cap space to sign max players. Trust me, LBJ and others saw that fat contract Kobe signed...now if it actually entices him enough to sign with the Lakers remains to be seen . Stay tuned :lol
Not buying a bit of it. It was all on Mitch and Jimmy Buss’s incompetence and the shit show they created. Takes a lot of screwing up to keep players from going to LA with dreams of movies, endorsements and starlets with plastic boobs but Lakers managed to pull it off.

[duncan2k5]

Don't be played by the media... SAS announced yesterday that lebron texted KD to go to the Lakers... Everyone and their mom knew KD was resigning with the warriors... Even lebron had to shut that down with the quickness... The difference is that lebron cares about public perception... Kawhi doesn't give a sh*t what the media says... Don't let the media spin fool u guys... They never have sources... A reporter can never be a source for a story unless he is making it up... If you don't see them say "Kawhi told me", or "his agent told me", that means they're stating speculation as fact... The spin machine is in overdrive to get Kawhi away from the Spurs ppl

[baseline bum]

But he's a disgruntled star, like Pau was a decade ago. Plus he has made it clear he wants to don the P&G. No GM in their right mind will give up significant assets for a potential 1-year rental. Sure, he's worth more but given all the variables involved, Spurs PATFO is in a tough spot.

Can't bring him to camp because he's disgruntled and you can't just let him walk. For example, D12 walked and we got nothing in return...set us back 5 years (and counting). Can the Spurs afford NOT to trade him?

And who cares where he's traded to if I'm Spur fan. I'd want PATFO to get the best deal possible to jumpstart the rebuild tbh.

No, Kobe set you back 5 years and counting by demanding superstar money while completely washed up and being such a cancer no one wanted to come to LA to play with him.

[benefactor]

Don't be played by the media... SAS announced yesterday that lebron texted KD to go to the Lakers... Everyone and their mom knew KD was resigning with the warriors... Even lebron had to shut that down with the quickness... The difference is that lebron cares about public perception... Kawhi doesn't give a sh*t what the media says... Don't let the media spin fool u guys... They never have sources... A reporter can never be a source for a story unless he is making it up... If you don't see them say "Kawhi told me", or "his agent told me", that means they're stating speculation as fact... The spin machine is in overdrive to get Kawhi away from the Spurs ppl
https://www.dailysquib.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/comical-ali.jpg

[baseline bum]

There you farmers go playing checkers again. You are partially correct...yes, the $48.5 milli deal was a mad hindrance in that present time...but it was a clear bat signal to future stars that if you sign with the Lakers, we'll take care of you even in the twilight years of your career.

Like they took care of Shaq and Odom?

[duncan2k5]

He got paid last year when he refused to play even though the Spurs medical staff cleared him.

Not true... He DID play... But still felt pain and was shut down by the Spurs... Whose doctors agreed with the better doctors in NY

[LkrFan]

Like they took care of Shaq and Odom?

Different circumstances. With Shaq, he had gotten all fat and out of shape (remember 2003 - when our 4peat bid ended)? I put that solely on him. He wanted an extension to boot and cussed out Dr. Buss. Of course we got rid of him.

Odom? Melted down when he was traded in an attempt to upgrade the roster and extend our contending window. Remember, he was inconsistent at best until MVPau showed up and relegated him to a 3rd wheel. Sure he won 6MOY, but he even bitched about the idea of going to the bench, but Phil convinced him. Then he thrived. But it makes one wonder, a guy with his immense talents NEVER made even 1 all star team? Back to your point, we traded him to a good situation. His meltdown was on himPERIOD.

[LkrFan]

No, Kobe set you back 5 years and counting by demanding superstar money while completely washed up and being such a cancer no one wanted to come to LA to play with him.

They paid him for years served and "thanked him" for all of the millions he's brought to the Buss family wallet. Remember, there are Kobe stans and Laker fans. These two aren't always mutually exclusive. :lol

[picnroll]

Not true... He DID play... But still felt pain and was shut down by the Spurs... Whose doctors agreed with the better doctors in NY

Lots of players come back from an injury and have to resume therapy. This chickenshit healed and stayed awol all the while cashing Spurs checks and having his handlers throw shade on the Spurs.

[exstatic]

Like they took care of Shaq and Odom?

Right? And they’re really going to take care of a carpetbagger like LeBron?

[baseline bum]

Different circumstances. With Shaq, he had gotten all fat and out of shape (remember 2003 - when our 4peat bid ended)? I put that solely on him. He wanted an extension to boot and cussed out Dr. Buss. Of course we got rid of him.

Odom? Melted down when he was traded in an attempt to upgrade the roster and extend our contending window. Remember, he was inconsistent at best until MVPau showed up and relegated him to a 3rd wheel. Sure he won 6MOY, but he even bitched about the idea of going to the bench, but Phil convinced him. Then he thrived. But it makes one wonder, a guy with his immense talents NEVER made even 1 all star team? Back to your point, we traded him to a good situation. His meltdown was on himPERIOD.

Losing in 2003 is all on Shaq? What about Kobe jacking up 26.5 shots a game when he was shooting a scrub ass 43% in the Spurs series? Convenient how you left out 2004 when the Pistons' whole defense was based on just letting Kobe throw the game. He cussed out Buss because Buss wasn't going to pay him, he was taking the side of captain rapist instead of the guy who won him three titles.

[emanueldavidginobili]

I’ll take Ingram in a heart beat. He’s 20 years old and hasn’t even grown into his body yet. He does it all pretty good for a 20 year old and played PG at the second half of the season he’s definitely a great prospect. If we trade Kawhi we need to get either Ingram or Tatum in return.

[LkrFan]

Losing in 2003 is all on Shaq? What about Kobe jacking up 26.5 shots a game when he was shooting a scrub ass 43% in the Spurs series? Convenient how you left out 2004 when the Pistons' whole defense was based on just letting Kobe throw the game. He cussed out Buss because Buss wasn't going to pay him, he was taking the side of captain rapist instead of the guy who won him three titles.

:lol you are dug in with your Kobe vitriol, but I'll indulge you.

What about Shaq letting 85 year old Kevin Willis consistently beat him up and down the court? His fatass not only didn't "guard the yard" he couldn't even stop Kevin T-Rex arms Willis. PATHETIC.

You are partially correct in 2004. Kobe is gonna be Kobe. He takes some blame. But the biggest story is the Mailman went down and never was healthy again. That left us with Slava having to contend with the Wallace bros. And it didn't help that Shaq's fatass only played one side of the court.

Now I am pissed about Kobe tryna beat a game Tashawn Prince one on one, but at least he was putting forth effort. He always empties his clip and leaves it all on the floor. Shaq? Not so much.

[jermaine]

I'd take those young guys in LA an Randle in a sign an trade. Those young long guys an Pop could do damage with our draft picks. Kawhi could get hurt again or Labron. That dude is due for a serious injury. Can't no one never suffer from some kinda injury. I'd take that young core in a heartbeat.

[LkrFan]

Right? And they’re really going to take care of a carpetbagger like LeBron?

:lol

[FlAVaK]

I want Wagner in the deal...that’s a must

And Isaac Bonga too! (Lakers 2nd rd pick this year, from Frankfurt)

Feels like I´ve never been so close to witness a german Spur since Ademola Okulaja playing summer league in 2003 :lol

EDIT: Bonga just confirmed, he will play summer league for the Lakers

[Chillen]

Don't be played by the media... SAS announced yesterday that lebron texted KD to go to the Lakers...

If true that is just weak on LeBron's part. His team just beat your butt in the NBA Finals and you think he is foaming from the mouth to join you in La La Land.

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sLyd05xn50

[MoSpur02]

If the Spurs are smart they wait it out. He's under contract for another year. Wait at least until LeBron James decided where he is going. You don't owe anyone any favors. This sort of decision for the Spurs will have a huge impact on the franchise for years to come so why rush it?

[Chillen]

If the Spurs are smart they wait it out. He's under contract for another year. Wait at least until LeBron James decided where he is going. You don't owe anyone any favors. This sort of decision for the Spurs will have a huge impact on the franchise for years to come so why rush it?

If LeBron wants to play with Kawhi on the same team so bad just keep Kawhi and see if you can sign LeBron. If you can't than just trade Kawhi at the NBA trade deadline and get what you can for him if he plans on walking. It would be a smart move by the Spurs, also Spurs should try and make a trade or sign a player to please Kawhi.

Only trade Kawhi now if you are 100% certain he is walking and the relationship can't be fixed and some ridiculous offer comes your way from an NBA team for him.

Otherwise like you said he is under contract with the Spurs for next season and he has to play.

[TheDoctor]

https://www.dailysquib.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/comical-ali.jpg

:lmao

[xellos88330]

If Kawhi doesn't get traded, my idea is this. Increase the minutes of the rookies and young fellas and tank. This way if Kawhi leaves at least we will still have a high draft pick. LOL!!

[spurschamps99030507]

If LeBron wants to play with Kawhi on the same team so bad just keep Kawhi and see if you can sign LeBron. If you can't than just trade Kawhi at the NBA trade deadline and get what you can for him if he plans on walking. It would be a smart move by the Spurs, also Spurs should try and make a trade or sign a player to please Kawhi.

Only trade Kawhi now if you are 100% certain he is walking and the relationship can't be fixed and some ridiculous offer comes your way from an NBA team for him.

Otherwise like you said he is under contract with the Spurs for next season and he has to play.

absolutly right +1

[BillMc]

If Kawhi doesn't get traded, my idea is this. Increase the minutes of the rookies and young fellas and tank. This way if Kawhi leaves at least we will still have a high draft pick. LOL!!

Or do the opposite. Play him 48 a night in a 00's Suns style offense. Run him into the ground so he's a shell of himself by the time he leaves.

But then he'd just fake another injury to get of playing.

[cjw]

While unlikely, the Spurs could always make him play the whole season out and still recoup something for him next offseason if the only way of getting to the Lakers is him opting in and being traded like CP3. But that would cost him even more money in that year (they would get his Bird rights though).

It would let the Spurs also attempt to repair the relationship and let him requalify for the supermax.

[RGMCSE]

If Kawhi doesn't get traded, my idea is this. Increase the minutes of the rookies and young fellas and tank. This way if Kawhi leaves at least we will still have a high draft pick. LOL!!

I actually love the idea. Simultaneously walker, white and Murray gain valuable experience and then Spurs draft the next generational goat talent.

[StrengthAndHonor]

The Spurs should’ve accepted the proposed Tobias Harris and two 1st round picks from the Clippers. Now they’re stuck between a Brandon Ingram and a draft pick package from the Lakers or take Kyrie Irving who will also enter FA in 2 years.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Don't be played by the media... SAS announced yesterday that lebron texted KD to go to the Lakers... Everyone and their mom knew KD was resigning with the warriors... Even lebron had to shut that down with the quickness... The difference is that lebron cares about public perception... Kawhi doesn't give a sh*t what the media says... Don't let the media spin fool u guys... They never have sources... A reporter can never be a source for a story unless he is making it up... If you don't see them say "Kawhi told me", or "his agent told me", that means they're stating speculation as fact... The spin machine is in overdrive to get Kawhi away from the Spurs ppl
well thats just incorrect

[Russ]

If we trade Kawhi we need to get either Ingram or Tatum in return.

That's the bottom line. If you don't get one of those two (or an equivalent) there's not enough to lose by standing pat.

Let Kawhi retire and play your hand out to the trading deadline.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Ainge is not trading Tatum, get real :lol

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

While unlikely, the Spurs could always make him play the whole season out and still recoup something for him next offseason if the only way of getting to the Lakers is him opting in and being traded like CP3. But that would cost him even more money in that year (they would get his Bird rights though).

It would let the Spurs also attempt to repair the relationship and let him requalify for the supermax.

Exactly! Provided that the snake doesn't fake another injury, of course.

Pretty sure this was the original stance from the FO - stay, play, prove your health, qualify for the DPE and you'll get it next year. If this offer is on the table and the alternative is 80 mil less from another team he'll sign it.

[DesignatedT]

The Spurs should’ve accepted the proposed Tobias Harris and two 1st round picks from the Clippers. Now they’re stuck between a Brandon Ingram and a draft pick package from the Lakers or take Kyrie Irving who will also enter FA in 2 years.

If the Spurs remain patient, they will make out better than that. Let it drag out if the offers aren't up to par yet. Spurs can't rush this, even if they get tired of it.

[MoSpur02]

If LeBron wants to play with Kawhi on the same team so bad just keep Kawhi and see if you can sign LeBron. If you can't than just trade Kawhi at the NBA trade deadline and get what you can for him if he plans on walking. It would be a smart move by the Spurs, also Spurs should try and make a trade or sign a player to please Kawhi.

Only trade Kawhi now if you are 100% certain he is walking and the relationship can't be fixed and some ridiculous offer comes your way from an NBA team for him.

Otherwise like you said he is under contract with the Spurs for next season and he has to play.

Absolutely. I've heard a few times that the Spurs really want LeBron and are willing to go over the cap to acquire him. I honestly don't think LeBron wants to come to San Antonio though. I hope I'm wrong. If he wants to to win, he talks to Kawhi and tries to convince him to stay so that they can play together here in San Antonio.

That's a pipe dream, but who knows. Back to Kawhi though...the Spurs should only be hearing offers at this time. They don't really need to engage or initiate trade talks. Wait it out.

[TheCerebral1]

If we do trade Kawai, we might as well trade LaMarcus, Gasol, Green, not bring back Parker and let Manu retire. Burn down everything and wash it away. Erode the entire thing down to the dirt and work its way back up. Lonnie Walker is the first piece adding to Murray that the Spurs have going further. Take your time to acquire / accrue younger players that fit what Pop wants to work with and start over. This does not include broken down overrated shoot only non defenders like Kyrie Irving and a white baller who cannot stay healthy who only hits threes in Gordon Hayward.

[TimDunkem]

If we do trade Kawai, we might as well trade LaMarcus, Gasol, Green, not bring back Parker and let Manu retire. Burn down everything and wash it away. Erode the entire thing down to the dirt and work its way back up. Lonnie Walker is the first piece adding to Murray that the Spurs have going further. Take your time to acquire / accrue younger players that fit what Pop wants to work with and start over. This does not include broken down overrated shoot only non defenders like Kyrie Irving and a white baller who cannot stay healthy who only hits threes in Gordon Hayward.

"Too much turnover" as ST intelligentsia likes to say.

Basicially, Pop wants to do the least amount of coaching as possible. Although I am with you on burning this shit down.

[tbdog]

The Spurs should’ve accepted the proposed Tobias Harris and two 1st round picks from the Clippers. Now they’re stuck between a Brandon Ingram and a draft pick package from the Lakers or take Kyrie Irving who will also enter FA in 2 years.

Yuk. Those picks are pointless. Harris is crap.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Yuk. Those picks are pointless. Harris is crap.
Harris gives you a player that can help the Spurs win now and continue their tradition of making a trip to the postseason. I have zero doubts the Spurs FO would also find gems at #12 and 13. It’s far better than Ingram.

[Uriel]

:toast
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[DPG21920]

But he's a disgruntled star, like Pau was a decade ago. Plus he has made it clear he wants to don the P&G. No GM in their right mind will give up significant assets for a potential 1-year rental. Sure, he's worth more but given all the variables involved, Spurs PATFO is in a tough spot.

Can't bring him to camp because he's disgruntled and you can't just let him walk. For example, D12 walked and we got nothing in return...set us back 5 years (and counting). Can the Spurs afford NOT to trade him?

And who cares where he's traded to if I'm Spur fan. I'd want PATFO to get the best deal possible to jumpstart the rebuild tbh.

Kawhi is a superstar. There are only 4-6 of those in the league.

[r0drig0lac]

:toast
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[MoSpur02]

:toast
1012667155178016768

Wow NBA tweeted it out before the Spurs? LOL

[RD2191]

:toast
1012667155178016768

:claw

[Spurs9]

Harris gives you a player that can help the Spurs win now and continue their tradition of making a trip to the postseason. I have zero doubts the Spurs FO would also find gems at #12 and 13. It’s far better than Ingram.

That would have been a terrible deal, KL for Tobias? :lmao

[Keepin' it real]

Kawhi is a superstar.

Career stats:
16.3 ppg
6.2 reb
2.3 assists

Oh, and injury prone, and lacks leadership skills.

Superstars ain't what they used to be ...

[RD2191]

Career stats:
16.3 ppg
6.2 reb
2.3 assists

Oh, and injury prone, and lacks leadership skills.

Superstars ain't what they used to be ...

He's a superstar whether you like it or not. Finals MVP, back to back DPOY, All NBA.

[LkrFan]

Kawhi is a superstar. There are only 4-6 of those in the league.

So was Shaq in 2004. We got pennies on the dollar for him because Mitch refused to trade him in the Western Conference where there was better talent to be had.

[LkrFan]

Wow NBA tweeted it out before the Spurs? LOL

:wow

[DPG21920]

:wow

I don’t see how SA not wishing Kawhi happy birthday could be viewed as a slight when Kawhi is not a social media person. It’s not like he was on social media like other players celebrating SA’s milestones or congratulating his teammates for making the playoffs, etc..,right?

[Killakobe81]

healthy Gallinari is better than any Saric ever

I actually like Saric but he is like a euro less athletic Kuz.
Its funny how similar players Ingram-Brown ...Ingram is trash.
Saric-Kuzma Kuz is trash.

Personally IF spurs dont value our core id rather hold on to them including Ingram. The ringer staff is sull of Celts/Sixers fans (but based out of L.A.) here is their take on Ingram vs. Brown

ould you rather have Jaylen Brown or Brandon Ingram?

This is probably the question San Antonio is asking itself right now. According to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski, the Spurs are in Kawhi trade talks with L.A. and Boston. “Boston has long had the assets that the Spurs most covet in a potential Leonard trade,” Woj tacked onto the end of his scoop.

Gregg Popovich’s roster is full of male pattern baldness and orthopedic Skechers. Without Leonard, the Spurs will most likely pivot from building around a superstar in his prime to going young. Brown and Ingram are both prototypical, full-of-potential Pop projects.

Brown made the larger sophomore leap, though his playing time also doubled as a result of Gordon Hayward’s injury. His shooting and confidence improved, and he was the more consistent of the two. But I lean toward preferring Ingram because of what he does in flashes. His 7-foot-3 wingspan gives him the scoring ability to finish over defenders—with that slender frame, he’s not going through them—and give them trouble on the other end. You have to listen when the words “point forward” are mentioned, especially when the same player can also shoot; that possibility gives Ingram the higher ceiling.

Play-making matters. Especially since Spurs are light on them ... but I dont really want t o give up Ingram. IF we were assured Ingram still comes anyways I wouldn't sell farm for KL.

[DPG21920]

I actually like Saric but he is like a euro less athletic Kuz.
Its funny how similar players Ingram-Brown ...Ingram is trash.
Saric-Kuzma Kuz is trash.

Personally IF spurs dont value our core id rather hold on to them including Ingram. The ringer staff is sull of Celts/Sixers fans (but based out of L.A.) here is their take on Ingram vs. Brown

ould you rather have Jaylen Brown or Brandon Ingram?

This is probably the question San Antonio is asking itself right now. According to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski, the Spurs are in Kawhi trade talks with L.A. and Boston. “Boston has long had the assets that the Spurs most covet in a potential Leonard trade,” Woj tacked onto the end of his scoop.

Gregg Popovich’s roster is full of male pattern baldness and orthopedic Skechers. Without Leonard, the Spurs will most likely pivot from building around a superstar in his prime to going young. Brown and Ingram are both prototypical, full-of-potential Pop projects.

Brown made the larger sophomore leap, though his playing time also doubled as a result of Gordon Hayward’s injury. His shooting and confidence improved, and he was the more consistent of the two. But I lean toward preferring Ingram because of what he does in flashes. His 7-foot-3 wingspan gives him the scoring ability to finish over defenders—with that slender frame, he’s not going through them—and give them trouble on the other end. You have to listen when the words “point forward” are mentioned, especially when the same player can also shoot; that possibility gives Ingram the higher ceiling.

Play-making matters. Especially since Spurs are light on them ... but I dont really want t o give up Ingram. IF we were assured Ingram still comes anyways I wouldn't sell farm for KL.

Sure, but taking bias out and looking at numbers and advanced impact, that is why people are saying things about Ingram/Kuz vs the others. Taking away anything but the data, they don’t compare well.

[Killakobe81]

Kawhi is a superstar. There are only 4-6 of those in the league.

when healthy.
Been well over 13 months since we last seen "superstar" Kawhi ...

[DPG21920]

when healthy.
Been well over 13 months since we last seen "superstar" Kawhi ...

He’s healthy. Everyone knows it. If you are injured do you turn down 219M knowing you are damaged goods?

[mo7888]

agree


How about this?

Spurs get: Miami's 2021 1st, Orlando's 2019 1st, Dario Saric, Robert Covington, Nikola Vucevic
76ers get: Kawhi, Jonathon Simmons
Magic get: Markelle Fultz, Pau Gasol

The Spurs get a couple of good picks and some pieces to stay competitive with Pop and LMA still around. Philly gets Kawhi and Simmons (who iirc were buddies when they were both in SA). Orlando gets a PG other than DJ Augustin. They do take on Pau's contract but maybe it's a small price to pay for a former 1st pick in Fultz.

I like that alot

[K...]

Harris gives you a player that can help the Spurs win now and continue their tradition of making a trip to the postseason. I have zero doubts the Spurs FO would also find gems at #12 and 13. It’s far better than Ingram.

The Spurs had Lonnie Walker pretty high, so one of those clippers picks is him. There other would be miles Bridges or Michael Portets, zhaire Smith, or divensio. Then we have 18 still. I don't think this is much better than the other packages we'd get

[Namundy]

This is like trying to select the top turd on a pile of shit.

[RD2191]

I don’t see how SA not wishing Kawhi happy birthday could be viewed as a slight when Kawhi is not a social media person. It’s not like he was on social media like other players celebrating SA’s milestones or congratulating his teammates for making the playoffs, etc..,right?

My injury was 100 times worse! I wouldn't support that French bum either.

[FlAVaK]

I don’t see how SA not wishing Kawhi happy birthday could be viewed as a slight when Kawhi is not a social media person. It’s not like he was on social media like other players celebrating SA’s milestones or congratulating his teammates for making the playoffs, etc..,right?

@HoustonRockets wrote a tweet today, and didn`t congratulate @TheJoeJohnson7

spurs - on the other hand - wasn´t even active yet today...

[daslicer]

Kyrie Irving is hardly a role player.

I didn't know the Celtics offered him.

[LkrFan]

I don’t see how SA not wishing Kawhi happy birthday could be viewed as a slight when Kawhi is not a social media person. It’s not like he was on social media like other players celebrating SA’s milestones or congratulating his teammates for making the playoffs, etc..,right?

Not saying you are wrong, but wouldn't you think that a team trying to retain its franchise player would publicly wish him a happy birthday anyway? Might not move the needle but still a good sentiment - being the classy org the Spurs are supposed to be. Maybe that's just me.

[Killakobe81]

Sure, but taking bias out and looking at numbers and advanced impact, that is why people are saying things about Ingram/Kuz vs the others. Taking away anything but the data, they don’t compare well.

As rookies Saric's PER was 12.8
Kuzma's PEr was 14.2

Like I said similar ...but Kuz's was better even if you factor in Saric's jump last year he is only at 14.8 career wise ...

Jaylen Brown after his "breakout year" is sitting on a PER of 12.3
Ingram is sitting on 11. after a a mostly wasted rookie year and as HArlem states only two months of good ball.

Not saying numbers dont point to brown being better he is but he is also a year older and played on a much betetr team in the crappy east.
Pretty sure Ingram with the celts would match or surpass those numbers.
Look I am projecting forward but I think in 3 years both will be very good players but I think Ingram has more upside.

[LkrFan]

This is like trying to select the top turd on a pile of shit.

:lol

[FlAVaK]

Not saying you are wrong, but wouldn't you think that a team trying to retain its franchise player would publicly wish him a happy birthday anyway? Might not move the needle but still a good sentiment - being the classy org the Spurs are supposed to be. Maybe that's just me.

It´s 9 a.m. in Texas right now :lol

[Spurs9]

My injury was 100 times worse! I wouldn't support that French bum either.
http://i.imgur.com/ic0ZMVx.gif

[Killakobe81]

He’s healthy. Everyone knows it. If you are injured do you turn down 219M knowing you are damaged goods?

Believing and seeing it are two different things.
I can tell you have a Maserati as my weekend ride ...but if the last time you seen me I was driving a Camry ...still a nice car but far from a Maserati.

I'm using the car analogy since Bum was using the BMW Last week ...

[StrengthAndHonor]

That would have been a terrible deal, KL for Tobias? :lmao
The Spurs are not going to get equal value from someone who’s dead set on leaving. Harris, at best is an All star quality wing. You also have the luxury to develop 2 lottery picks. That’s a fair trade, given the circumstances.

[duncan2k5]

Different circumstances. With Shaq, he had gotten all fat and out of shape (remember 2003 - when our 4peat bid ended)? I put that solely on him. He wanted an extension to boot and cussed out Dr. Buss. Of course we got rid of him.

Odom? Melted down when he was traded in an attempt to upgrade the roster and extend our contending window. Remember, he was inconsistent at best until MVPau showed up and relegated him to a 3rd wheel. Sure he won 6MOY, but he even bitched about the idea of going to the bench, but Phil convinced him. Then he thrived. But it makes one wonder, a guy with his immense talents NEVER made even 1 all star team? Back to your point, we traded him to a good situation. His meltdown was on himPERIOD.

Nah... Shaq was traded because Kobe wouldn't resign with Shaq on the team...

[Killakobe81]

The Spurs are not going to get equal value from someone who’s dead set on leaving. Harris, at best is an All star quality wing. You also have the luxury to develop 2 lottery picks. That’s a fair trade, given the circumstances.

Spurs dont see it that way they expecting Kelly blue book as if the car is in mint condition but last time the car was on teh road it was in "good" not great condition.

Only problem with harris is he is a pending Free agent.
I think he is a good player but I wouldnt want to have pay him big $ in the off season.
Heck Clippers dont even seem like they want to pay him I have heard almost zero talks of extending harris ...if even the clips dont want hom long-term why should the Spurs?

[RD2191]

http://i.imgur.com/ic0ZMVx.gif

:lol

[duncan2k5]

Different circumstances. With Shaq, he had gotten all fat and out of shape (remember 2003 - when our 4peat bid ended)? I put that solely on him. He wanted an extension to boot and cussed out Dr. Buss. Of course we got rid of him.

Odom? Melted down when he was traded in an attempt to upgrade the roster and extend our contending window. Remember, he was inconsistent at best until MVPau showed up and relegated him to a 3rd wheel. Sure he won 6MOY, but he even bitched about the idea of going to the bench, but Phil convinced him. Then he thrived. But it makes one wonder, a guy with his immense talents NEVER made even 1 all star team? Back to your point, we traded him to a good situation. His meltdown was on himPERIOD.

And let's not forget Kobe took a shit ton of shots VS the pistons and shot his way to 36%...while Shaq was shooting in the 60s, but wasn't getting the ball

[Spurs9]

The Spurs are not going to get equal value from someone who’s dead set on leaving. Harris, at best is an All star quality wing. You also have the luxury to develop 2 lottery picks. That’s a fair trade, given the circumstances.

You could get a better deal from almost any team even on a 1 year rental. Spurs were planning on moving up to the #11 to get Lonnie. Tobias isn't bad but that would be one of the worst trade deals sending a top 3 player for him. The Clppers just don't have the assets to get him at this point. Unless they swung a multi team deal that would send us something decent including some high draft picks from this year. A Philly deal with Smith could be attractive, or anything involving Kyrie. Suns have plenty to offer even for 1 year, teams like Orlando and the Bulls have assets that would be better. See if Dallas is dumb enough to give something involving Dennis Smith.

[look_at_g_shred]

http://i.imgur.com/ic0ZMVx.gif
Gawdam the greatest gif of all time

[duncan2k5]

Lots of players come back from an injury and have to resume therapy. This chickenshit healed and stayed awol all the while cashing Spurs checks and having his handlers throw shade on the Spurs.

AWOL? Spurs trainers were with him all the time! And both him and Pop maintained they spoke regularly... But fuck facts... Who three shade at the Spurs?? Everything was in response to the Spurs shading hum!

[cd021]

How about this?

Spurs get: Miami's 2021 1st, Orlando's 2019 1st, Dario Saric, Robert Covington, Nikola Vucevic
76ers get: Kawhi, Jonathon Simmons
Magic get: Markelle Fultz, Pau Gasol

The Spurs get a couple of good picks and some pieces to stay competitive with Pop and LMA still around. Philly gets Kawhi and Simmons (who iirc were buddies when they were both in SA). Orlando gets a PG other than DJ Augustin. They do take on Pau's contract but maybe it's a small price to pay for a former 1st pick in Fultz.


Pretty good, though I would think that Orlando would need a bit more. Philly, has second rounders from N.Y and Brooklyn. Probably add the Knicks seconds rounder and protect the Magic pick.


Spurs get: Miami's 2021 1st, Orlando's 2019 1st [top 6 protected in 2019 and 2020], Dario Saric, Robert Covington, Nikola Vucevic

76ers get: Kawhi, Jonathon Simmons

Magic get: Markelle Fultz, Pau Gasol, 2019 Knicks 2nd round Pick

[DPG21920]

As rookies Saric's PER was 12.8
Kuzma's PEr was 14.2

Like I said similar ...but Kuz's was better even if you factor in Saric's jump last year he is only at 14.8 career wise ...

Jaylen Brown after his "breakout year" is sitting on a PER of 12.3
Ingram is sitting on 11. after a a mostly wasted rookie year and as HArlem states only two months of good ball.

Not saying numbers dont point to brown being better he is but he is also a year older and played on a much betetr team in the crappy east.
Pretty sure Ingram with the celts would match or surpass those numbers.
Look I am projecting forward but I think in 3 years both will be very good players but I think Ingram has more upside.

There are way more metrics besides PER.

[jjktkk]

Exactly. Spurs can get a kuzma. Or a Saric. Nobody that's a real difference maker.

And Kawhi has already killed the Spurs reputation. Trading him won't change that.

Leonard killed the Spurs reputation, Really? If anything Leonard comes off as KD part 2, a star player, but a star player who doesn't possess the ability to be a true leader of a team. I mean come on, the man has to hide behind his uncle and sister and let them speak for him. Having a star player who can't handle the pressure of being a franchise player, is not going to kill the Spur's legacy.

[YGWHI]

I’m willing to trade Leonard to LA for Twitter rescinding Jabari Young’s twitter account.

He works for SAEN, not the Spurs. He can say what he wants about any team -Spurs included-.

I guess there are 200 media guys tweeting about Kawhi possible trades, you can look for them instead of reading Jabari Young's tw

Unless you're a butthurt fan, it's to easy to ignore the tweets that you don't want to read...

[StrengthAndHonor]

Spurs dont see it that way they expecting Kelly blue book as if the car is in mint condition but last time the car was on teh road it was in "good" not great condition.

Only problem with harris is he is a pending Free agent.
I think he is a good player but I wouldnt want to have pay him big $ in the off season.
Heck Clippers dont even seem like they want to pay him I have heard almost zero talks of extending harris ...if even the clips dont want hom long-term why should the Spurs?
Harris is part of the future but he’s not a priority. West is just keeping all options considering there’s a potential to acquire a Superstar after losing Griffin. Tobias is a plug and play piece. He’ll do well in any system but has the potential to excel and squeeze every bit of his potential under Popovich.

[Killakobe81]

There are way more metrics besides PER.

OF course I was being lazy and its the first advanced metric that pops up on Basket ball refference.
I can find a few that favor Ingram and plenty that favor Brown ...
My only point was those that act like Brown is waaaaay better than Ingram, heck even Boston is acting that way if they are refusing to include him in a package for KL.
I get Boston is not his preffered destination so that may cloud the comparison ...
But I think they are comparable, but Brown is better right now but I think Ingram will be better eventually.

[baseline bum]

Harris gives you a player that can help the Spurs win now

:lmao

[Killakobe81]

Harris is part of the future but he’s not a priority. West is just keeping all options considering there’s a potential to acquire a Superstar after losing Griffin. Tobias is a plug and play piece. He’ll do well in any system but has the potential to excel and squeeze every bit of his potential under Popovich.

I agree again I like Harris.
Just not sure I would want to pay him what he will want in summer 2019.
That makes him a rental.

[cd021]

As rookies Saric's PER was 12.8
Kuzma's PEr was 14.2

Like I said similar ...but Kuz's was better even if you factor in Saric's jump last year he is only at 14.8 career wise ...

Jaylen Brown after his "breakout year" is sitting on a PER of 12.3
Ingram is sitting on 11. after a a mostly wasted rookie year and as HArlem states only two months of good ball.

Not saying numbers dont point to brown being better he is but he is also a year older and played on a much betetr team in the crappy east.
Pretty sure Ingram with the celts would match or surpass those numbers.
Look I am projecting forward but I think in 3 years both will be very good players but I think Ingram has more upside.

:lol

Career numbers;

Brown-TS % is 56%
Ingram-TS % is 50%

Brown Win Shares Per 48 Minutes- .82
Ingram Win Shares Per 48 Minutes-.28

that's a big difference, Brown has been clearly better and Ingram has underwhelmed for a number 2 pick and there is no guarantee that he'll ever live up to that pick or that hype.

[clambake]

lebron knew that kawhi told pop that he wanted to leave. he knew while it was happening.

so says stephen a smith

[YGWHI]

Leonard killed the Spurs reputation, Really? If anything Leonard comes off as KD part 2, a star player, but a star player who doesn't possess the ability to be a true leader of a team. I mean come on, the man has to hide behind his uncle and sister and let them speak for him. Having a star player who can't handle the pressure of being a franchise player, is not going to kill the Spur's legacy.

After Tim's retirement, it seemed like Kawhi handle it so well when he led this team to WCF in 2017..

Just because a player doesn't want to stay on a team that denied him a supermax contract, it doesn't mean that the player can't handle the pressure of being the face of the franchise.

Unlike he teams up with LeBron which seems very unlike now, when the Spurs trade him to other team he'll be a franchise player again.

[baseline bum]

Believing and seeing it are two different things.
I can tell you have a Maserati as my weekend ride ...but if the last time you seen me I was driving a Camry ...still a nice car but far from a Maserati.

I'm using the car analogy since Bum was using the BMW Last week ...

LOL bringing up injuries for Kawhi but not Ingram.

[Killakobe81]

:lol

Career numbers;

Brown-TS % is 56%
Ingram-TS % is 50%

Brown Win Shares Per 48 Minutes- .82
Ingram Win Shares Per 48 Minutes-.28

that's a big difference, Brown has been clearly better and Ingram has underwhelmed for a number 2 pick and there is no guarantee that he'll ever live up to that pick or that hype.

HArlem already posted some of that a few pages back ...but thanks.
I already said Brown was clearly better so far ...

[rastaspur]

AWOL? Spurs trainers were with him all the time! And both him and Pop maintained they spoke regularly... But fuck facts... Who three shade at the Spurs?? Everything was in response to the Spurs shading hum!

Are you uncle dennis? If so, f u. If not, gtfo with all this defending this p###y

[Killakobe81]

LOL bringing up injuries for Kawhi but not Ingram.

I agree that is my hesitation on both guys ...
What I am saying is its just been 13 months since we seen elite KL ...
We have never even seen elite from Ingram just flashes of high level play.

I believe in his talent and would prefer to not have him kill us on the spurs for years ...

[Kuestmaster]

AWOL? Spurs trainers were with him all the time! And both him and Pop maintained they spoke regularly... But fuck facts... Who three shade at the Spurs?? Everything was in response to the Spurs shading hum!

mods should change your username. you don't deserve put duncan as your nick and at the same time defend this pos.

[jjktkk]

Giving in to Leonard and bending over to the colluding Lakers will just encourage other Spurs down the road to not take the Spurs or their contracts seriously. The contracts won’t be worth the paper they’re written on.

If Leonard goes to the Lakers in any trade this year the only games I’ll go to, and I’ll buy front row seats, is Lakers’ games and I’ll curse scumbag Leonard the entire game. I’ll have lost all respect for 5he Spurs.

Its not the Lakers colluding, its the star players that are colluding. The best players are dictating where and what team they want to play for. I honestly don't know what small market teams like the Spurs can do, if star players decide to collude with their buddies and leave for the bright lights of LA and Miami, etc...

[Clipper Nation]

“Sit on Kobe Bryant and force him to continue to wear a Laker jersey. You do not trade the best player in the world.”


54uUrHK5Efk
:lmao "Best player in the world," when Duncan had just won ring #4, LeGOAT had dragged trash to the Finals, etc. Stephen A.'s takes have always been atrocious.

[FkLA]

http://i.imgur.com/ic0ZMVx.gif

Damn Danny just cowered in fear by looking away after that death stare. :lol

[Russ]

http://i.imgur.com/ic0ZMVx.gif

Now that's leadership . . .

[picnroll]

Its not the Lakers colluding, its the star players that are colluding. The best players are dictating where and what team they want to play for. I honestly don't know what small market teams like the Spurs can do, if star players decide to collude with their buddies and leave for the bright lights of LA and Miami, etc...

Of course the Lakers are not colluding. They’ve only been fined for it twice recently. :rollin

[Mugen]

Now that's leadership . . .

:lol

[baseline bum]

Spurs dont see it that way they expecting Kelly blue book as if the car is in mint condition but last time the car was on teh road it was in "good" not great condition.

Only problem with harris is he is a pending Free agent.
I think he is a good player but I wouldnt want to have pay him big $ in the off season.
Heck Clippers dont even seem like they want to pay him I have heard almost zero talks of extending harris ...if even the clips dont want hom long-term why should the Spurs?

No one is expecting Kelly Blue Book value. That would be getting Ben Simmons in a trade for Leonard.

[BillMc]

Of course the Lakers are not colluding. They’ve only been fined for it twice recently. :rollin
:lol

[baseline bum]

Harris, at best is an All star quality wing

:rollin

[r0drig0lac]

Its not the Lakers colluding, its the star players that are colluding. The best players are dictating where and what team they want to play for. I honestly don't know what small market teams like the Spurs can do, if star players decide to collude with their buddies and leave for the bright lights of LA and Miami, etc...

the only way out of this problem will be to have only teams in big markets (4 in LA, 4 in NY, 3 in Miami, etc) ... or a real hard cap making this shit impossible (unless these guys want to play for MLE , in which case more power for them)

[baseline bum]

I agree that is my hesitation on both guys ...
What I am saying is its just been 13 months since we seen elite KL ...
We have never even seen elite from Ingram just flashes of high level play.

I believe in his talent and would prefer to not have him kill us on the spurs for years ...

:lmao Brandon Ingram killing a Lakers team with Leonard on it :lmao

[NASpurs]

1012707275041955842

1012708129853698050

[MoSpur02]

LeBron announced he will not exercise his option. Becoming a free agent

[MoSpur02]

At least he wasn't a douche and made everyone wait till 11:58

[picnroll]

1012707275041955842

Tick, tick, tick, tick

[baseline bum]

1012707275041955842


:lol That fucking retard 2Cleva with his source claiming James was going to opt in and then the Cavs were going to trade him to the Lakers in a deal where they'd 100% have to take back Deng.

[r0drig0lac]

1012707275041955842

1012708129853698050

vardon >>> shams

[daslicer]

:lol That fucking retard 2Cleva with his source claiming James was going to opt in and then the Cavs were going to trade him to the Lakers in a deal where they'd 100% have to take back Deng.

:lol

[MoSpur02]

He's known for awhile where he wants to go and what he wants to do. Don't drag it out. Just announce where you're going and let the games begin.

[picnroll]

... and here we thought Magic’s ass was incapable of puckering.

[NASpurs]

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2018/06/lebron_james_to_decline_player.html


The emotional side to this is obvious, James is separating from the Cavs again (for the third time in four years) with no guarantees that he'll re-sign. Sources suggested to cleveland.com that his interest in joining the iconic Los Angeles Lakers (https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2018/06/what_will_lebron_james_say_to.html) is strong.

I hope he signs with the Lakers and so does PG.... then the Spurs fuck over the Lakers and Kawhi by holding out Kawhi. :lol

[NASpurs]

1012709171467313152

[Mugen]

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2018/06/lebron_james_to_decline_player.html



I hope he signs with the Lakers and so does PG.... then the Spurs fuck over the Lakers and Kawhi by holding out Kawhi. :lol

If only RC and Pop weren't cucks, they'll fold soon :lol

[NASpurs]

1012709427311411200

[MoSpur02]

In a surprising twist, LeBron announces that he will sign with San Antonio and join forces with Kawhi. PG re-signs with OKC and L.A signs Boogie Cousins

[NASpurs]

:lmao

1012703128318164994

[TFloss32]

I’m not believing any of this trade talk until Trump weighs in on his Twitter account.

https://s.faketrumptweet.com/jj03ejbo_wvbsi1_1baewok.png

[rascal]

https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2018/06/lebron_james_to_decline_player.html



I hope he signs with the Lakers and so does PG.... then the Spurs fuck over the Lakers and Kawhi by holding out Kawhi. :lol

If that happens he is gone next year for sure to the Lakers and the Spurs will get nothing for Leonard.

[NASpurs]

If that happens he is gone next year for sure to the Lakers and the Spurs will get nothing for Leonard.

Correct me if I'm wrong but they'll blow all their cap space on Lebron, PG, Randle and the corpse of Deng.

[spursistan]

1012695767935606784

This, IMO, sums up Celtics stance..I don't think he is worth it, unless with a home run.

[bklynspursfan]

1012709171467313152

Here's hoping he goes to Philly and Boston then ups their offer to us.

[MoSpur02]

According to Stephen A Smith, Kawhi isn't set on just the Lakers. He's set on Los Angeles, meaning he is cool with playing for the Clippers. So even if LeBron and PG sign with the Lakers and don't have any room left for Kawhi, he is cool playing for the Clippers.

To me that means he is okay with losing and doesn't care as much as we thought about winning.

[NASpurs]

1012711085990957056

[RD2191]

https://s.faketrumptweet.com/jj03ejbo_wvbsi1_1baewok.png

:lmao

[SAGirl]

1010599106480365569

[StrengthAndHonor]

:rollin
Likewise Bum. Your emotional breakdown throughout this entire Kawhi situation has delivered plenty of laughter. :toast

[RD2191]

According to Stephen A Smith, Kawhi isn't set on just the Lakers. He's set on Los Angeles, meaning he is cool with playing for the Clippers. So even if LeBron and PG sign with the Lakers and don't have any room left for Kawhi, he is cool playing for the Clippers.

To me that means he is okay with losing and doesn't care as much as we thought about winning.

Stop it. You're being ignorant now.

[Spurs9]

1012711085990957056

Aka if we can fleece a team we will do it.

[exstatic]

Correct me if I'm wrong but they'll blow all their cap space on Lebron, PG, Randle and the corpse of Deng.

They have to get rid of Deng and one of [Ball,Ingram,Kuzma] just to sign the first two FAs. They'll have to renounce Randle, too, to clear his cap hold. Then, next summer, they'll have to dump the remaining two youngsters just to get Kawhi on a less than Max deal, like $120M for four years? If they end up having to stretch Deng, they can only offer him like $99M for 4 years.

[dbestpro]

1012709171467313152

This really is not completely true. Teams without enough cap space simply have to make deals with those that do in order to open up enough cap space.

[Mr. Body]

1012711085990957056

Celtics have to know they have the peculiar problem of too many players. When everyone's healthy there's going to be some griping. Kyrie has to be counting the days

[rasuo214]

Looks like the Celtics will lowball so it's down to Philly or the Lakers. I hope it's Philly and Lebron goes there as well. Fucks over the Lakers and Celtics at the same time and adds another serious threat to ending the Warrior dynasty.

[NASpurs]

They have to get rid of Deng and one of [Ball,Ingram,Kuzma] just to sign the first two FAs. They'll have to renounce Randle, too, to clear his cap hold. Then, next summer, they'll have to dump the remaining two youngsters just to get Kawhi on a less than Max deal, like $120M for four years? If they end up having to stretch Deng, they can only offer him like $99M for 4 years.

Thanks man, so basically it's doable but they'll fuck themselves and Kawhi in the process.

[RD2191]

I don't get the Celtics hype at all. They couldn't even win one on the road against a one man team in LeBron. They're not that good, just another product of the shitty eastern conference.

[baseline bum]

Likewise Bum. Your emotional breakdown throughout this entire Kawhi situation has delivered plenty of laughter. :toast

LOL the moron who kept trying to tell me Deangelo Russell was going to be a star now telling me Tobias Harris is an allstar talent.

[daslicer]

LOL the moron who kept trying to tell me Deangelo Russell was going to be a star now telling me Tobias Harris is an allstar talent.

:lol

[rasuo214]

I don't get the Celtics hype at all. They couldn't even win one on the road against a one man team in LeBron. They're not that good, just another product of the shitty eastern conference.

They think they'll be good because Kyrie and Hayward will return and their young guys will get better. Plus if Lebron goes to LA they should be the favorites in the East (unless Philly gets Kawhi).

[Clipper Nation]

LOL the moron who kept trying to tell me Deangelo Russell was going to be a star now telling me Tobias Harris is an allstar talent.
I'm just glad StrengthandHonor is actually praising a Clippers player for once instead of kissing the Lakers' ass per par.

[Mugen]

LOL the moron who kept trying to tell me Deangelo Russell was going to be a star now telling me Tobias Harris is an allstar talent.

:lol

[bklynspursfan]

from Patty


"From a teammate point of view you just carry on and see how it unfolds."“As a teammate of Kawhi and the relationship that we have developed over the last few years – we won a championship with him, my locker is next to his and that relationship will never change.“[H]e is a great guy and I’ve loved being his teammate and being on the court with him. Off the court we have shared a lot of good laughs."



“This is different and it’s not the first time I have seen something like this, but it’s like a realisation that it’s a business, there is a lot of money involved and these are the things that happen.”

http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/patty-mills-weighs-in-on-the-kawhi-leonard-saga-ive-loved-being-his-teammate

[2Cleva]

:lol That fucking retard 2Cleva with his source claiming James was going to opt in and then the Cavs were going to trade him to the Lakers in a deal where they'd 100% have to take back Deng.

LOL. You mad at me because your franchise in jeopardy. Whatever it takes to get you to sleep at night. I'll be laughing as LeBron dons that Purple and Gold armor.

[StrengthAndHonor]

Aka if we can fleece a team we will do it.
Of course. They’re operating under zero pressure. With Lebron possibly going Wesf, the Celtics can now claim their conference. It would be idiotic to send any substantial assets for a 1 year rental who may not even suit up.

[RD2191]

from Patty





http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/patty-mills-weighs-in-on-the-kawhi-leonard-saga-ive-loved-being-his-teammate

Great mature response by patty, unlike that fat fuck Porker.

[-21-]

I don't get the Celtics hype at all. They couldn't even win one on the road against a one man team in LeBron. They're not that good, just another product of the shitty eastern conference.

Stevens is legit but I can't wait for them to disappoint next year.

[StrengthAndHonor]

LOL the moron who kept trying to tell me Deangelo Russell was going to be a star now telling me Tobias Harris is an allstar talent.
Cry some more. It’s glorious.:toast

[dbestpro]

I like the Philly possibilities best. It really comes down to maturity. The LA players are extremely immature and will never listen to Pop. The Philly players offered are Spurs like, and it gives you a shot at a lottery pick. It presents the best opportunity at winning now, and in the future.

[FvckMavs]

They have to get rid of Deng and one of [Ball,Ingram,Kuzma] just to sign the first two FAs. They'll have to renounce Randle, too, to clear his cap hold. Then, next summer, they'll have to dump the remaining two youngsters just to get Kawhi on a less than Max deal, like $120M for four years? If they end up having to stretch Deng, they can only offer him like $99M for 4 years.

Kawhi's amateur uncle will likely make him lose >100m.

[Kuestmaster]

from Patty





http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/patty-mills-weighs-in-on-the-kawhi-leonard-saga-ive-loved-being-his-teammate

Patty speaking in past sense. Leonard is so gone.

[look_at_g_shred]

Stevens is legit but I can't wait for them to disappoint next year.
Much like any other team that gets hyped up to beat the warriros

[-21-]

Looks like the Celtics will lowball so it's down to Philly or the Lakers. I hope it's Philly and Lebron goes there as well. Fucks over the Lakers and Celtics at the same time and adds another serious threat to ending the Warrior dynasty.

Yep, LeBron to Philly is the best case scenario for the Spurs. Doubt it happens though. He's off to LA imo.

[baseline bum]

LOL. You mad at me because your franchise in jeopardy. Whatever it takes to get you to sleep at night. I'll be laughing as LeBron dons that Purple and Gold armor.

I was laughing at your idiotic idea that the Cavs were going to take Luol Deng and more salary back to hand LeBron to you. Yeah the Cavs were going to pay $50 to $70 million more in payroll plus luxury tax plus lost food stamps from luxury tax paying teams for Lonzo Ball or Brandon Ingram. It would be like paying $300,000 for a Camry. Good car but no one is going to pay a Ferrari price for one.

[Mr. Body]

I don't get the Celtics hype at all. They couldn't even win one on the road against a one man team in LeBron. They're not that good, just another product of the shitty eastern conference.

Everyone's thinking if they didn't have two guys hurt they would have been awesome. But Hayward is more of a supportive guy and I'm not sure Kyrie would have made a difference. They got by Philly because the Sixers singe really have scorers right now.

[NASpurs]

1012713751290654720

[look_at_g_shred]

at this point fultz,saric,covington,bayless and that miami pick seems like the best we gonna get...plus the relationship between brown and pop. They should be able to make something work that won't considerately fuck the spurs over

[baseline bum]

Cry some more. It’s glorious.:toast

It's hard not to cry in laughter at an allstar team with Deangelo Russell and Tobias Harris on it.

[Mugen]

I was laughing at your idiotic idea that the Cavs were going to take Luol Deng and more salary back to hand LeBron to you. Yeah the Cavs were going to pay $50 to $70 million more in payroll plus luxury tax plus lost food stamps from luxury tax paying teams for Lonzo Ball or Brandon Ingram. It would be like paying $300,000 for a Camry. Good car but no one is going to pay a Ferrari price for one.

Crofl did that fucking idiot really say that?

[look_at_g_shred]

Watch him go back to Miami..would be so funny

[SpursforSix]

from Patty

"From a teammate point of view you just carry on and see how it unfolds."“As a teammate of Kawhi and the relationship that we have developed over the last few years – we won a championship with him, my locker is next to his and that relationship will never change.“[H]e is a great guy and I’ve loved being his teammate and being on the court with him. Off the court we have shared a lot of good laughs."


“This is different and it’s not the first time I have seen something like this, but it’s like a realisation that it’s a business, there is a lot of money involved and these are the things that happen.”





Translation : "whatever...I've got a ring and fifty million dollars"

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Watch him go back to Miami..would be so funny

Riley would have to perform salary cap black magic to open a max slot for LeBron. Heat are in cap hell.

[-21-]

Posting this again


Spurs get: Miami's 2021 1st, Orlando's 2019 1st, Dario Saric, Robert Covington, Nikola Vucevic
76ers get: Kawhi, Jonathon Simmons
Magic get: Markelle Fultz, Pau Gasol

The Spurs get a couple of good picks and some pieces to stay competitive with Pop and LMA still around. Philly gets Kawhi and Simmons (who iirc were buddies when they were both in SA). Orlando gets a PG other than DJ Augustin. They do take on Pau's contract but maybe it's a small price to pay for a former 1st pick in Fultz.

The Spurs could even keep Fultz if they think he'll actually pan out. Of course, I have no idea where Philly stands right now. Have they made an offer? Are they interested?

[dabom]

Great mature response by patty, unlike that fat fuck Porker.

:lol

[StrengthAndHonor]

It's hard not to cry in laughter at an allstar team with Deangelo Russell and Tobias Harris on it.
Your inability to cope with stress is amusing. :lol

[rasuo214]

Spurs might include Patty in a Kawhi trade so smart to stay on good terms.

[Lostwingman]

I'm in the "just get this over with" camp.

There's gotta be at least one dumb front office that'll blink into getting their face blown off.

[baseline bum]

Crofl did that fucking idiot really say that?

He was reporting as someone in the know that everything had been worked out and that James would opt in so the Cavs would trade him to the Lakers by the 29th. When I pointed out the Cavs would have to take something like $27 million back in salary with none of the deals allowed to be expirings for that trade to be legal under the CBA and asked why the Cavs would want to pay bare minimum $50 million in extra payroll plus repeaters luxury tax plus loss of the payout from luxury tax paying teams to be in the lottery nigga went and hid and kept ducking my questions. The Cavs could still do a sign and trade like that in the next couple of weeks if they could find someone to take George Hill's salary or another large salary dump like that so it wouldn't cost them a ridiculous amount of money. My issue with his claim was that it would get done by today when the Lakers would have no cap room. They don't get any cap room until the day free agents can officially sign, so they couldn't absorb any of LeBron's contract before then.

[-21-]

Spurs might include Patty in a Kawhi trade so smart to stay on good terms.

Wouldn't be surprised with our logjam of guards. I'd much rather move Pau though.

[baseline bum]

Your inability to cope with stress is amusing. :lol

It's funny watching you change the subject after saying something stupid.

[MoSpur02]

Ainge is saying the right things, but he knows a player like Kawhi will push them to the Finals. If he stays out it may also push them to the Finals, but how do you manage all the minutes? Kyrie, Smart, and Rozier are one too many.

[Spurs9]

at this point fultz,saric,covington,bayless and that miami pick seems like the best we gonna get...plus the relationship between brown and pop. They should be able to make something work that won't considerately fuck the spurs over
If it was Philly I'd want Fultz/Saric/Smith and something else with it, and send Patty with Kawhi.

[ducks]

Great mature response by patty, unlike that fat fuck Porker.

both said what pop ordered them to

[mo7888]

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-should-the-philadelphia-76ers-trade-for-kawhi-leonard/

[Spurs da champs]

Great mature response by patty, unlike that fat fuck Porker.

[ducks]

Ainge is saying the right things, but he knows a player like Kawhi will push them to the Finals. If he stays out it may also push them to the Finals, but how do you manage all the minutes? Kyrie, Smart, and Rozier are one too many.

you trade eventually one of them
you try to trade for your biggest weakness starting unit or trade for a guy that can be happy to be the leader off bench

championship teams have a player like manu 2015 that is the leader of the bench

[SAGirl]

Aka if we can fleece a team we will do it.
yup. pretty much.

[Spurs da champs]

76ers package for Kawhi is beyond overrated. While that Miami pick is unprotected it's a 2021 pick, too many unknowns with that. And Saric is a very flawed player in today's league as Boston showed.

[Spurs9]

Add in some picks and get it done, not the biggest Covington fan but he makes the salaries work.
https://i.imgur.com/T7lK4aa.png

[Killakobe81]

:lmao Brandon Ingram killing a Lakers team with Leonard on it :lmao

Ingram is 21 ...
KL is 27 the advantage of course favors KL for the next 3-5 after that BI will be same age KL is now ...

[MoSpur02]

Covington is good. He is overpaid. I don't want part of that if I'm the Spurs.

[offset formation]

LOL at using an 11 year old SAS clip to try and make a valid point. Really?

But a point was made.

[Clipper Nation]

Ingram is 21 ...
KL is 27 the advantage of course favors KL for the next 3-5 after that BI will be same age KL is now ...
You know, you're right. Ingram is a superstar. The Lakers should keep him and not trade for Kawhi. :downspin:

[Spurs da champs]

Covington is good. He is overpaid. I don't want part of that if I'm the Spurs.

Only thing I like about Covington is he's a big 3, other than that he looked worse than washed up Danny Green.

[daslicer]

You know, you're right. Ingram is a superstar. The Lakers should keep him and not trade for Kawhi. :downspin:

:lol

[Killakobe81]

You know, you're right. Ingram is a superstar. The Lakers should keep him and not trade for Kawhi. :downspin:

No I don't think he is a superstar and and I don't think he will ever be at KL's level pre-injury.
Not many recent players ever have been, don't be dense.
And hell yes I would keep BI ... if we are assured KL will still come next summer or if Spurs would take Kuz/Randle/Hart and two first rounders Unprotected or even if we are assured some other star instead of KL.
KL also has a some injury risk too.

[LkrFan]

And let's not forget Kobe took a shit ton of shots VS the pistons and shot his way to 36%...while Shaq was shooting in the 60s, but wasn't getting the ball

True, but Shaq couldn't guard a chair in that series. He scored, but his defense let us down. Phil designed the D to funnel into Shaq. He was too fat an immobile to guard the yard and it cost the Lakers another rangPERIOD.

[LkrFan]

Nah... Shaq was traded because Kobe wouldn't resign with Shaq on the team...

Can you blame Kobe? Say what you want. - Kobe worked his ass off. Every summer he put in work tryna improve his game. Shaq relied on his God-given abilities. He even would get in shape or rehab "on company time" which I'm sure pissed Kobe off. Couple that with him chiding Kobe thru his media buddies, Kobe was right to evict him.

History shows Dr. Buss sided with the right star. After they split: Kobe 2, Shaq 1.

[John B]

Spurs can still pitch to LeBron playing with Kawhi come July 1st. I’m just saying...:wakeup

[LkrFan]

It´s 9 a.m. in Texas right now :lol

My bad - I'm on EST :lol

Edit: they just did after they read my post:

1012718759356878848

:lol