Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Kawhi & Patty to LAC for Harris, picks 12 & 13, and a future 1st would probably be the best we could get tbh. Think Jerry Westcis too smart to take on Patty’s contract though.

As long as they take pattys contract tbh

[Pavlov]

Get ready for Lou Williams spurs fans!That would be cool since he does actually play in basketball games.

[Mugen]

Kawhi & Patty to LAC for Harris, picks 12 & 13, and a future 1st would probably be the best we could get tbh. Think Jerry West is too smart to take on Patty’s contract though.

Return will be shitty but it won't be much worse than what the Lakers best offer is tbh.

[JPB]

Kawhi & Patty to LAC for Harris, picks 12 & 13, and a future 1st would probably be the best we could get tbh. Think Jerry West is too smart to take on Patty’s contract though.

There are way better offers on the table.

[BatManu20]

I’m good with that tbh, loaded draft Michael Porter could slip to the 12 too.

No chance imo. From everything I’ve been reading in the past couple days, Porter is trending up. He’s going Top 7, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he goes Top 4.

[ernest787]

They aren't trading Kawhi for 12 & 13 along with Harris. If they are trading Kawhi, Clips are going to get someone else involved to get a higher pick or a 3rd team comes in to provide more.

[baseline bum]

Honestly, the only trade I can see making any sense tomorrow would be if they ship Leonard off to Cleveland for #8 and Love, hopefully with a third team involved to get the Spurs another pick and/or prospect and Love going to the third team. Cleveland is in desperation mode to keep LeBron and that might do it. It would keep Kawhi out of the West and is he going to take less money to walk from Cleveland if he and LeBron beat the Warriors or come close in the Finals next year?

[lebomb]

I think I might go with the #12 and #13 along with players for Kawhi.

[Dancelot]

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Better than nothing imo

[NASpurs]

The Clippers are trying to trade 12 and 13 in order to move up in the draft.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/clippers/la-sp-nba-draft-clippers-20180619-story.html


The Clippers have tried to plot a course that could push them toward a better position in Thursday’s NBA draft.

They have offered their own lottery picks, the 12th and 13th selections, to make a deal to move up, according to NBA executives not authorized to speak publicly on the matter and media reports. So far they have been rebuffed in their attempts to procure a deal for a top-five pick with the Sacramento Kings (who pick second), Atlanta Hawks (third), Memphis Grizzlies (fourth) and Dallas Mavericks (fifth).

The Clippers will continue to do their due diligence and talk with teams ahead of them in the draft with the hopes of getting a high enough pick to select European star Luka Doncic, according to the executives.

[cool cat]

this shit needs to be over by tomorrow night. cant do this shit until next season.

I agree, I just can't see this going into the season, even if it's a good "screw you Kawhi" move.

[jmard5]

It's funny that anyone believes the Kawhi is actually mad at the organization (Pop, med team, Parker, etc.) about anything. It's just an excuse. He should have just said it wasn't working for him and he wanted out.

Exactly Kori. Charles Barkley is basically saying the same thing. If Kawhi wants out, just say it directly. No need to disrespect the Spurs nor the medical staff.

[BatManu20]

There are way better offers on the table.

I hope you’re right, but again, if these teams believe Kawhi will only sign with LA next Summer, as his camp is saying he will, teams are not going to sell the farm to get him.

[NASpurs]

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[Spurs9]

I hope you’re right, but again, if these teams believe Kawhi will only sign with LA next Summer, as his camp is saying he will, teams are not going to sell the farm to get him.
Do you think the Clippers deal is good leverage against the Lakers and any other team? He signs a extension with Clippers and Lakers miss out, and it could attract LeBron to the Clippers over Lakers if that went down. Even if it’s less assets the Spurs got back vs a Lakers deal.

[NASpurs]

:lol I can't wait to see the responses to this

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[mo7888]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8h6c7an

If we could get #4 and #13 I'd strongly consider this deal. It keeps us relevant next season and with LA at the 5 it allows us to spread the floor more.

[BatManu20]

:lol I can't wait to see the responses to this

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Kawhi to Philly confirmed.

[BatManu20]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8h6c7an

If we could get #4 and #13 I'd strongly consider this deal. It keeps us relevant next season and with LA at the 5 it allows us to spread the floor more.

Jerry West is way too smart to take on that Parsons contract. And I don’t want Gallo’s bloated contract either. Staying “relevant” is not what we want. If we’re losing our franchise player, it needs to be for young assets that we can build upon moving onward.

[Brazil]

Qui-Gon was out there busting his ass off while Ob-Wan was on the sidelines because of a sore quad tbh.

:lmao

[BatManu20]

Kawhi’s sister.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgJunDAUwAUVGsM.jpg

[toki9]

Kawhi’s sister.

Well, at least she's polite. "Thanks for stopping by." I actually think she's pretty great. This can't be easy on her, either.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgJunDAUwAUVGsM.jpg

[mo7888]

Jerry West is way too smart to take on that Parsons contract. And I don’t want Gallo’s bloated contract either.

I don't want Gallo's contract either but, I'd rather have it than Parsons and I do want the #4 pick. As for West, he's being aggressive trying to cut in front of the Lakers on this and this is probably the price to do that.

[RD2191]

Kawhi’s sister.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgJunDAUwAUVGsM.jpg

She's dropping truth nukes. It takes two tango tbh

[spurraider21]

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sounds like me playing monopoly

[RD2191]

sounds like me playing monopoly

*flips table in a rage

[baseline bum]

*flips table in a rage

At least Trump signed that EO allowing you to see your parents today, so not a total loss right?

[testies]

Can we trade him to Washington for Bradley Beal? They have a dumb enough FO that would do it

[mo7888]

At least Trump signed that EO allowing you to see your parents today, so not a total loss right?

:lol

[spurraider21]

*flips table in a rage
yeah if you think i can be an asshole here, i'm completely detestable during a game of monopoly :lol

"i'm off by like 12 dollars, can i offer..."

no. mortgage that shit.

[coachmac87]

Kawhi’s sister.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgJunDAUwAUVGsM.jpg



Yeah like a “BS thigh bruise”

[baseline bum]

yeah if you think i can be an asshole here, i'm completely detestable during a game of monopoly :lol

"i'm off by like 12 dollars, can i offer..."

no. mortgage that shit.

:lmao

[Dverde]

Can we trade him to Washington for Bradley Beal? They have a dumb enough FO that would do it

Then we have Beal and his massive crappy contract.

[RD2191]

At least Trump signed that EO allowing you to see your parents today, so not a total loss right?

Gracias Senor Trump

[Ice009]

Why the fuck would I want Beal?

[RD2191]

yeah if you think i can be an asshole here, i'm completely detestable during a game of monopoly :lol

"i'm off by like 12 dollars, can i offer..."

no. mortgage that shit.

Fuck that, we'd up in a fist fight. :lol

[baseline bum]

Kawhi’s sister.

Well, at least she's polite. "Thanks for stopping by." I actually think she's pretty great. This can't be easy on her, either.


If it's that easy for Uncle Dennis to leech his money it's probably even easier for her tbh.

[spurraider21]

Fuck that, we'd up in a fist fight. :lol
if you're not prepared to lose friends over a board game, you're not doing it right

my (then) gf didnt talk to me the rest of the night after i broke our "alliance" when playing RISK

[spurschamps99030507]

sit him whole f year

[baseline bum]

Fuck that, we'd up in a fist fight. :lol

Bend over, I'll give you a fist fight.

[RD2191]

if you're not prepared to lose friends over a board game, you're not doing it right

my (then) gf didnt talk to me the rest of the night after i broke our "alliance" when playing RISK

Savage :lol

[Pavlov]

Dealing with a motivated West seems like the best play but part of me still wants to have the Spurs say they determined Kawhi is still too injured to play the entire next season and that he's free to continue his rehab in New York.

[RD2191]

Bend over, I'll give you a fist fight.

https://media.tenor.co/images/858962e3813e855e5c55379ffed33710/tenor.gif

[MannyIsGod]

Letting Kawhi walk for nothing is a non starter. You can wait to trade him if you think you'll get a better deal at the deadline, but losing him without getting at the very least picks is a huge mistake. I think you could build a competitive team - probably not a true contendor - around LMA with some more pieces but I would make sure that no matter what the Spurs do they get as many 1st round draft picks as they can. It is true that we're unlikely to ever attract a high profile free agent so we need to do our best to draft a star.

Cap space is fairly unimportant for this team right now. We're not getting anyone of note so even taking a bad contract isn't really a terrible option.

[gambit1990]

i'll never understand the vitriol over him wanting to leave. you want him to put his desire second to yours? :lol i don't think he was healthy enough to play this past season. the only thing he's gotten out of not playing is bad press that hasn't stopped.

if wanted to go to golden state then i could see the hate.

we all want kawhi to speak but TBH he has nothing to gain from it. he already has the leverage. him having to say "i'm almost healthy" again and again would only drive his value down.

[BatManu20]

If it's that easy for Uncle Dennis to leech his money it's probably even easier for her tbh.


I didn’t say that. The poster who quoted me accidentally responded with that in my quotes :lol


Don’t give a shit about Kawhi’s sister tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

Dealing with a motivated West seems like the best play but part of me still wants to have the Spurs say they determined Kawhi is still too injured to play the entire next season and that he's free to continue his rehab in New York.

Agree with this..

As a fan, it would be funny if the Spurs played this out until next season and sat Kawhi, but can't see Pop being petty in any way, doesn't seem like that type of man IMO..

Clippers are definitely the best option that is realistic, despite their offer not being anything special..

[K...]

i'll never understand the vitriol over him wanting to leave. you want him to put his desire second to yours? :lol i don't think he was healthy enough to play this past season. the only thing he's gotten out of not playing is bad press that hasn't stopped.

if wanted to go to golden state then i could see the hate.

we all want kawhi to speak but TBH he has nothing to gain from it. he already has the leverage. him having to say "i'm almost healthy" again and again would only drive his value down.

If he wanted to leave but would resign with most teams we'd get a win win. He isn't.. it's LA or bust. He's a diva!

[Leetonidas]

Spurs can afford to wait out LA. If they really have the opportunity to get some big FAs this summer does anyone really think they're going to turn them down and wait another year for kawhi so they'll have the max spot? Fuck no. Spurs should just wait because if LA doesn't have the cap space they can't sign him outright in 2019 anyway and Leonard loses another 40 mil. We'll see who blinks first

[MannyIsGod]

i'll never understand the vitriol over him wanting to leave. you want him to put his desire second to yours? :lol i don't think he was healthy enough to play this past season. the only thing he's gotten out of not playing is bad press that hasn't stopped.

if wanted to go to golden state then i could see the hate.

we all want kawhi to speak but TBH he has nothing to gain from it. he already has the leverage. him having to say "i'm almost healthy" again and again would only drive his value down.

Yeah I don't understand why fans would be upset over a guy being a snake and lying his way to a trade while trying to make a franchise look bad in the process to preserve his own image. So wierd!!!

[MannyIsGod]

Spurs can afford to wait out LA. If they really have the opportunity to get some big FAs this summer does anyone really think they're going to turn them down and wait another year for kawhi so they'll have the max spot? Fuck no. Spurs should just wait because if LA doesn't have the cap space they can't sign him outright in 2019 anyway and Leonard loses another 40 mil. We'll see who blinks first

They definitely can, but this is assuming that both PG and Lebron want to go there. If Lebron resigns a one year with Cleveland, then whats to stop the Lakers from just waiting a year?

There is no surefire good play here. Its a gamble no matter what choice they make. There's something to be said about just moving on and getting the best you can now and focusing on the next year, too. No real good options, honestly.

[BatManu20]

^ Bingo.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

i'll never understand the vitriol over him wanting to leave. you want him to put his desire second to yours? :lol i don't think he was healthy enough to play this past season. the only thing he's gotten out of not playing is bad press that hasn't stopped.if wanted to go to golden state then i could see the hate.we all want kawhi to speak but TBH he has nothing to gain from it. he already has the leverage. him having to say "i'm almost healthy" again and again would only drive his value down.He's under fucking contact you dolt. He made a deal and wants out of it, like a bitchmade quitter, he is a snake. I hope he tears both his ACLs and achilees in his next game. Fuck him

[baseline bum]

Agree with this..

As a fan, it would be funny if the Spurs played this out until next season and sat Kawhi, but can't see Pop being petty in any way, doesn't seem like that type of man IMO..

Clippers are definitely the best option that is realistic, despite their offer not being anything special..

Could just say they're holding him out pending a trade. Isn't that what teams usually do so as to not worry about an injury screwing the deal up?

I think playing him next year isn't an option since he'll be a cancer and he's good enough to wreck draft positioning.

[HarlemHeat37]

They definitely can, but this is assuming that both PG and Lebron want to go there. If Lebron resigns a one year with Cleveland, then whats to stop the Lakers from just waiting a year?

There is no surefire good play here. Its a gamble no matter what choice they make. There's something to be said about just moving on and getting the best you can now and focusing on the next year, too. No real good options, honestly.

While that's true, that would also be another year and even more mileage on LeBron's body(he might be the greatest specimen in the history of pro sports, but he's still human, he's eventually going to decline) + a Kawhi who hasn't played basketball in almost 2 years..not to mention potentially alienating all your young players(Ingram, Kuzma and Ball) and having to deal with that for an entire season..

[baseline bum]

I hope he tears both his ACLs and achilees in his next game.

And gets a transfusion from Magic.

[RD2191]

And gets a transfusion from Magic.

:wow :lol

[cd98]

They definitely can, but this is assuming that both PG and Lebron want to go there. If Lebron resigns a one year with Cleveland, then whats to stop the Lakers from just waiting a year?

There is no surefire good play here. Its a gamble no matter what choice they make. There's something to be said about just moving on and getting the best you can now and focusing on the next year, too. No real good options, honestly.

LA is going to want to get Kawhi as soon as possible. When you wait, things change. What if Kawhi plays a year and heals the relationship and decides to re-sign. That seems impossible now, but if its just petty stuff that is stopping him, you'd be surprised how that stuff heals once you go back to focusing on basketball. It's also a question of will Lebron want to uproot his high school age son after his freshman year. If Lebron goes to LA, I think he goes there this year. There is no guarantee what will happen for anyone, but the Spurs should be in no rush because there isn't a deal today that they can't get by the end of the summer.

[Pavlov]

Agree with this..

As a fan, it would be funny if the Spurs played this out until next season and sat Kawhi, but can't see Pop being petty in any way, doesn't seem like that type of man IMO..

Clippers are definitely the best option that is realistic, despite their offer not being anything special..If they can somehow come up with a higher draft pick then the ones they currently have, it would be hard to say no to the Clippers. Not excited about the draft beyond like #7, but the Spurs certainly know more about drafting than I do.

[MannyIsGod]

While that's true, that would also be another year and even more mileage on LeBron's body(he might be the greatest specimen in the history of pro sports, but he's still human, he's eventually going to decline) + a Kawhi who hasn't played basketball in almost 2 years..not to mention potentially alienating all your young players(Ingram, Kuzma and Ball) and having to deal with that for an entire season..

You're not wrong but I'm not sure its up to the Lakers. PG may well stay in OKC for more money and good luck guessing what Lebron wants to do. I definitely see the points you're making and the case for waiting and I'm not saying its wrong. I just think that its just as much a gamble as anything else.

[SpursDynasty85]

i'll never understand the vitriol over him wanting to leave. you want him to put his desire second to yours? :lol i don't think he was healthy enough to play this past season. the only thing he's gotten out of not playing is bad press that hasn't stopped.

if wanted to go to golden state then i could see the hate.

we all want kawhi to speak but TBH he has nothing to gain from it. he already has the leverage. him having to say "i'm almost healthy" again and again would only drive his value down.

I think it is obvious he could have played. What players play near the end of the season at 100%? Every player will say "no one". Kawhi and his camp admit he is 100% healthy now. To me that means he was 80% in March at least. Lead your team into the playoffs. It would be a no brainer for most stars. Guess tides are turning which is also I'm sure why a lot executives are rooting for Pop to treat Kawhi with some hostility. At this point let's hope it gets settled via a trade and things just settle down and we just start seeing some competitive basketball. These Super teams and melodrama is terrible for the league let alone the stupid superstar calls like the ones CP3, Harden, and KD are pushing for every game. I will no longer be an NBA fan if those fouls start to become the norm in the next 2 years.

[Mugen]

I don't see PG staying in OKC contrary to what recent reports say. One of the instawhores in LA just needs to DM his ass and Magic will have locked up by 12:01 on July 1st.

[MannyIsGod]

LA is going to want to get Kawhi as soon as possible. When you wait, things change. What if Kawhi plays a year and heals the relationship and decides to re-sign. That seems impossible now, but if its just petty stuff that is stopping him, you'd be surprised how that stuff heals once you go back to focusing on basketball. It's also a question of will Lebron want to uproot his high school age son after his freshman year. If Lebron goes to LA, I think he goes there this year. There is no guarantee what will happen for anyone, but the Spurs should be in no rush because there isn't a deal today that they can't get by the end of the summer.

Of course there are deals they can get today that may not be available by the end of the summer. For instance, if the Lakers sign PG and Lebron, they're not going to be in the trade mix later. Things will change substantially after the draft tomorrow and then more so after free agency in July. That's not to say that the Spurs won't be in a better position in the late summer - they might - but they could just as easily be worse.

The truth is that no one can say for certain that one route is better than another barring some insane blockbuster trade.

[SpursWoman]

And gets a transfusion from Magic.

:bobo

[Twisted_Dawg]

Staying current on this thread soon to break 100 is a full time job. Literally.

[marinoman]

If kawhi does get traded to clippers, he’ll definitely resign right?

[Spurs9]

If kawhi does get traded to clippers, he’ll definitely resign right?
He could, it would be funny for him to go from the Clippers to the Lakers after 1 season. The Kawhi to Clippers move could also get LeBron and PG to look there over the Lakers.

[HarlemHeat37]

I wonder if LeBron is happy that Kawhi might be available or angry that this is taking all the attention away from his decision:lol

[baseline bum]

Of course there are deals they can get today that may not be available by the end of the summer. For instance, if the Lakers sign PG and Lebron, they're not going to be in the trade mix later.

Which is a good thing, since teams know Kawhi would have to take another discount to go to LA. Assuming PG13 and LeBron sign for max, once you figure in cap holds for empty roster spots under 12 the Lakers could offer Kawhi a 4 year, $130 million deal at most with the projected $108 million cap for 2019-20. Whatever team the Spurs trade him to (if they don't keep him) could offer 5 years, $179 million and other teams like the Clippers could offer 4 years, $139 million. If you make LA wait you also end the ability for the Lakers to stretch Deng, since his stretched salary would eat $7.36 million off the base salary they could pay Kawhi next summer, bringing their best offer to around 4 years, $99 million. So you'd be forcing Magic's hand into salary dumping one of Ingram or Ball this summer just to open up the space necessary to sign LeBron and PG13. The Lakers become much less of a threat IMO to other trade partners the Spurs could ship Kawhi off to if they lock LeBron and PG13 up. And if they don't sign them they wouldn't have salary dumped Ingram anyways, so I don't think the Spurs are any worse off waiting.

[BillMc]

Just got back online. So, a quick scan seems to be that the Pop-Kawhi summit, probably did no good and KL said he officially wants out. Though Jabbari did say it went well and they'll meet again, which leaves a faint hope that they might come to terms. Is that about where we are now?

[spurschamps99030507]

Spurs can afford to wait out LA. If they really have the opportunity to get some big FAs this summer does anyone really think they're going to turn them down and wait another year for kawhi so they'll have the max spot? Fuck no. Spurs should just wait because if LA doesn't have the cap space they can't sign him outright in 2019 anyway and Leonard loses another 40 mil. We'll see who blinks first

absolutely agree

[gambit1990]

He's under fucking contact you dolt. He made a deal and wants out of it, like a bitchmade quitter, he is a snake. I hope he tears both his ACLs and achilees in his next game. Fuck him
teams are free to trade players, players are free to request trades.

[Dex]

Just got back online. So, a quick scan seems to be that the Pop-Kawhi summit, probably did no good and KL said he officially wants out. Though Jabbari did say it went well and they'll meet again, which leaves a faint hope that they might come to terms. Is that about where we are now?

Pretty much...so just like all along with this saga, nobody knows what the fuck is going on.

[BillMc]

Pretty much...so just like all along with this saga, nobody knows what the fuck is going on.

cheers man. :toast

Chaos. So weird for us Spurs fans.

[rjv]

nobody knows what the fuck is going on.


that's pretty much the feeling i get. and yet, there are so many who act as if they do not what is going on.

[clambake]

KL not saying anything is all you know for sure.

its on him.

[Gino20]

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Jabari :lol

[Dex]

teams are free to trade players, players are free to request trades.

If you are gonna request a trade, be a fucking man about it. Essentially sitting out an entire season with an injury that miraculously "heals" once trade talks start up, staying behind closed doors while leaking stuff to the media through "your group", tanking your trade value by trying to force your way to one preferred destination...that is shitty and shady tactics and any player in the league would rightfully be crucified for it.

[sammy]

i'll never understand the vitriol over him wanting to leave. you want him to put his desire second to yours? :lol i don't think he was healthy enough to play this past season. the only thing he's gotten out of not playing is bad press that hasn't stopped.

if wanted to go to golden state then i could see the hate.

we all want kawhi to speak but TBH he has nothing to gain from it. he already has the leverage. him having to say "i'm almost healthy" again and again would only drive his value down.

I'll tell you why everyone is pissed off about this damn mute! He's a coward! Act like a man and meet with Pop/RC straight up and ask for a trade that you want to go home! Instead this diva mute just allowed rumors to come out wanting a trade without having the manners to speak to Pop/RC! Never speaking to them first which is a bitch move and then leaking out that he wants out of SA via that bitch hack Jabari Parker! Don't get me started on that jackass! He's an ungrateful POS! The Spurs showcased this jackass above all of our players and made him what he is! He came to the Spurs raw with only defense as his mojo but they helped him with his offense and to make him the best two-way player and this is how he repays them? I am so sick of this shit! The utter disrespect he's done to this organization and to Pop! After everything Pop was going through with his wife sick and this drama mute leaking he might come back before playoffs and when the team confronts him if he's coming back since mute can't talk to the Spurs but leak to the national media, well what do you expect? Pop having to answer questions by the media and not knowing anything since mute doesn't talk! Players frustrated as they wonder if he's coming back or not so they can plan for the playoffs! Then Pop's wife dies and this is ridiculous! Stupid mute is an idiot as that leach of an uncle is robbing him blind but I want the Spurs to not rush and take their time! Forget this ungrateful loser! Send his ass to the East!

[Twisted_Dawg]

Which is a good thing, since teams know Kawhi would have to take another discount to go to LA. Assuming PG13 and LeBron sign for max, once you figure in cap holds for empty roster spots under 12 the Lakers could offer Kawhi a 4 year, $130 million deal at most with the projected $108 million cap for 2019-20. Whatever team the Spurs trade him to (if they don't keep him) could offer 5 years, $179 million and other teams like the Clippers could offer 4 years, $139 million. If you make LA wait you also end the ability for the Lakers to stretch Deng, since his stretched salary would eat $7.36 million off the base salary they could pay Kawhi next summer, bringing their best offer to around 4 years, $99 million. So you'd be forcing Magic's hand into salary dumping one of Ingram or Ball this summer just to open up the space necessary to sign LeBron and PG13. The Lakers become much less of a threat IMO to other trade partners the Spurs could ship Kawhi off to if they lock LeBron and PG13 up. And if they don't sign them they wouldn't have salary dumped Ingram anyways, so I don't think the Spurs are any worse off waiting.

I hope the Spurs braintrust shares this vision.

[sammy]

If you are gonna request a trade, be a fucking man about it. Essentially sitting out an entire season with an injury that miraculously "heals" once trade talks start up, staying behind closed doors while leaking stuff to the media through "your group", tanking your trade value by trying to force your way to one preferred destination...that is shitty and shady tactics and any player in the league would rightfully be crucified for it.

Well said!:bobo

[offset formation]

Not sure why you guys are hating on Kuz.
But I definitely agree that Deng is trash.

Hey if you like that deal, god bless sons.
Unless you plan to keep and extend Harris you basically trading KL for two first rounders.
none that are top 10.

Philly deal and potential Phx deals are better but doesnt matter to me. I Wanna keep ingram anyways and I like Kuz not as much but I think he can a high level 6th man or 4th/5th starter on a verry good team.. I see alot of Robert Horry in his game less defense but more offense.

Spurs have to mandate LouWill be part of that trade. Instead of or including Harris.

[Marcus Bryant]

No need to rush, perhaps some team is desperate enough for a one year rental that a good return can be found.

Given how this has played out and the apparent decision by Leonard to quit on the team at some point last season, the Spurs need to get the best deal they can and need to forget about parting on good terms.

[BatManu20]

Starting to think the Lakers might actually present a solid package for Kawhi. With Stephen A.’s report that Kawhi “wants to be in LA” and not necessarily just on the Lakers, if Magic thinks Jerry West and the Clippers are a legit threat to get Kawhi, that could strongly effect Lebron and PG’s decision to sign with the Lakers this Summer. Magic might start to panic a bit. PATFO are going to wait this out all the way til the beginning of the draft I bet to see which of LAL or LAC (or a surprise team) breaks and offers the best package.

[ducks]

if one team thinks they could beat gs or win it all they could make a bigger offer at trade dealine

[SPURt]

If the Spurs feel they can get the pieces and Kawhi is 100%, is it worth getting a ring this year to start a rebuild next year?

[baseline bum]

Starting to think the Lakers might actually present a solid package for Kawhi. With Stephen A.’s report that Kawhi “wants to be in LA” and not necessarily just on the Lakers, if Magic thinks Jerry West and the Clippers are a legit threat to get Kawhi, that could strongly effect Lebron and PG’s decision to sign with the Lakers this Summer. Magic might start to panic a bit.

I don't see how you get a good trade out of the Lakers. Ball is cancer and Ingram/Kuzma are B level prospects at best. There would have to be a three team trade with the third team for some reason being in love with Lolnzo.

[BatManu20]

If the Spurs feel they can get the pieces and Kawhi is 100%, is it worth getting a ring this year to start a rebuild next year?

No. Kawhi will be traded tomorrow night, I’m almost sure of it. This has already become a huge distraction and I’m sure PATFO are over it. Plus we have other things to to figure out this offseason. Need to find the best package and move on.

[cool cat]

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Jabari :lol

What does that even mean, trade up or down, attaching it to a player, wanting a player.

[Spurs da champs]

If Lakers can somehow get a high pick, I would endorse getting BI & Kuzma. BI has a ton of potential imo.

[baseline bum]

If the Spurs feel they can get the pieces and Kawhi is 100%, is it worth getting a ring this year to start a rebuild next year?

Leonard could just sit out the playoffs and the Spurs couldn't say shit since he will have already been paid his entire salary for the regular season. Not an option IMO.

[Trill Clinton]

Please, no more tweets from Jabari.

[BatManu20]

I don't see how you get a good trade out of the Lakers. Ball is cancer and Ingram/Kuzma are B level prospects at best. There would have to be a three team trade with the third team for some reason being in love with Lolnzo.

That’s what I assume. Third team takes Lonzo and the Spurs either get a lottery pick or maybe Josh Jackson from PHX. They loved Lonzo coming out of the draft last year and Spurs were really high on Jackson.

So Spurs would get Ingram, Kuzma, Lakers 25th pick, & lottery pick this season or Josh Jackson or Player X For Lonzo.

[Pavlov]

If the Spurs feel they can get the pieces and Kawhi is 100%, is it worth getting a ring this year to start a rebuild next year?Kawhi will have another season ending "injury" before training camp if he isn't traded.

[BackHome]

Yeah fuck what Kawhi wants all I know is Kawhi name is all over the internet with speculation on almost every team. Which is what I want lots of blood in the water sooner or later will land a keeper and ship his weak ass off.

[Extra Stout]

The Spurs know what is going on, have for a while, unlike Leonard’s amateur hour team, aren’t showing their hand.

Star players sign free agent contracts with different teams all the time. Players ask for trades all the time.

What doesn’t happen all the time is for players with two years left on their contracts to fake injuries and sit out the season while collecting $19 million, then demanding an immediate trade to a specific destination and fabricating bullshit reasons why.

If Kawhi just wanted to play for the Lakers, he could play out his contract and sign there in 2019. If he just wanted out of SA, he’d accept a trade to a number of teams.

I think the plan was to back the Spurs into a corner and be so cancerous that they’d be glad just to get rid of him for Ingram, Kuzma, picks, and Luol Deng’s contract, so the Lakers would still have enough cap space to add LeBron and Paul George too. As though the Spurs would be suckered into helping build the next superteam, like some cucked husband settling for whatever tchotchkes his whore wife lets him take, while giving her the house, cars, bank accounts and half his paycheck in the divorce settlement because “it’s for the good of the kids” and “let’s just move on.” The Spurs aren’t frickin’ Blake.

[dbestpro]

Spurs have to mandate LouWill be part of that trade. Instead of or including Harris.

Lou Williams 31 years old, destined to be a good player on a bad team, or a bench player. Harris is 25 and still has the potential with good coaching to be a top 10 player.

[SpursDynasty85]

Please, no more tweets from Jabari.

Lol! I love getting new updates on things right now but I feel you on this one. His tweets come with a bag of smelly poop.

[Marcus Bryant]

Find a team in the East willing to do a stupid deal and dump him. He has the worst advisers ever he could get much more $ and eventually land where he wanted. Not playing for a playoff team down the stretch when he could've and claiming that one of the best franchises in the league in managing player health somehow didn't treat him right is just bush league nonsense. Yeah, your teammates are going to call you out on it.

No matter what he says about only signing in LA next year, the reality is that money usually wins out and he'll figure out in time the corner his camp has painted him into.

There's always GMs and coaches who think they can reach players. There's also a few East Conf teams who think they're one piece away from the Finals. In no way should the Spurs trade him to either LA team.

[objective]

As a fan, it would be funny if the Spurs played this out until next season and sat Kawhi, but can't see Pop being petty in any way, doesn't seem like that type of man IMO..

Clippers are definitely the best option that is realistic, despite their offer not being anything special..

Pop HAS been that petty in the past. When Hank Egan retired only to later show up on Mike Brown's staff, Pop refused to even talk to him for YEARS.

The man directly responsible for Pop's whole life and career was cut out savagely for the betrayal of changing his mind about retirement and helping out a young coach he had worked with.

We need that Pop back. The man with fire in his gut, the man with principle.

[Spurs da champs]

Lou Williams 31 years old, destined to be a good player on a bad team, or a bench player. Harris is 25 and still has the potential with good coaching to be a top 10 player.

Nah, Harris is what he is, just a younger Rudy Gay.

[HarlemHeat37]

At the very least, assuming they trade Kawhi and get picks, the Spurs will finally have some young players and athletes to watch...







In Austin while Pop plays Forbes and Pau

[HarlemHeat37]

Pop HAS been that petty in the past. When Hank Egan retired only to later show up on Mike Brown's staff, Pop refused to even talk to him for YEARS.

The man directly responsible for Pop's whole life and career was cut out savagely for the betrayal of changing his mind about retirement and helping out a young coach he had worked with.

We need that Pop back. The man with fire in his gut, the man with principle.

:lol Pop's personality has changed dramatically in the past 5 years alone..

[Dex]

Please, no more tweets from Jabari.

This x 100. Motherfucker is a snake in the grass and has been pulling strings for Kawhi's camp all along.

[lmbebo]

KD and TV money has fucked the NBA and its product. And these current star players who believe the world worships them and the ground they walk on .. fuck em. Burn the product.

[lmbebo]

This x 100. Motherfucker is a snake in the grass and has been pulling strings for Kawhi's camp all along.


He's got the same mentality that as all these entitled kids. Get they can from the "slave" owners, get there money ... Owners only make the money when they sell, they aren't getting rich by year to year proceeds. They made there wealth outside of the league.

[BatManu20]

Nah, Harris is what he is, just a younger Rudy Gay.

Huh? Harris is only 25 and is coming off a career year. One of the best 3-pt and midrange shooters in the league already and has great work ethic. He’s already better than Gay ever was.

[offset formation]

Sit him, we've had a good run. If we trade him to the Lakers it sets a precedent. Being a bitch shouldn't let you get your way, the Spurs are fucked regardless.

This, and nothing but this. At least if LA is his wish.

[Spurs da champs]

Huh? Harris is only 25 and is coming off a career year. One of the best 3-pt and midrange shooters in the league already and has great work ethic. He’s already better than Gay ever was.
God damn, I honestly had no idea he was 25, seems like he's been in the league forever. Still, last 4 years he's put up #s on bad/mediocre teams, he is no ideal centerpiece in a trade for Kawhi. Y'all sleep on Brandon Ingram far too much IMO, also Jaylen brown we're all underestimating as well.

[BatManu20]

This, and nothing but this. At least if LA is his wish.


As as much as I would love to do this just to teach Kawhi’s bitchass a lesson, you absolutely have to get a return for Kawhi, period. Spurs are not and will not ever be a FA destination. We have to build through the draft and via trades. Getting young talent and/or draft picks for Kawhi is imperative.

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs know what is going on, have for a while, unlike Leonard’s amateur hour team, aren’t showing their hand.

Star players sign free agent contracts with different teams all the time. Players ask for trades all the time.

What doesn’t happen all the time is for players with two years left on their contracts to fake injuries and sit out the season while collecting $19 million, then demanding an immediate trade to a specific destination and fabricating bullshit reasons why.

If Kawhi just wanted to play for the Lakers, he could play out his contract and sign there in 2019. If he just wanted out of SA, he’d accept a trade to a number of teams.

I think the plan was to back the Spurs into a corner and be so cancerous that they’d be glad just to get rid of him for Ingram, Kuzma, picks, and Luol Deng’s contract, so the Lakers would still have enough cap space to add LeBron and Paul George too. As though the Spurs would be suckered into helping build the next superteam, like some cucked husband settling for whatever tchotchkes his whore wife lets him take, while giving her the house, cars, bank accounts and half his paycheck in the divorce settlement because “it’s for the good of the kids” and “let’s just move on.” The Spurs aren’t frickin’ Blake.

:tu

[lmbebo]

God damn, I honestly had no idea he was 25, seems like he's been in the league forever. Still, last 4 years he's put up #s on bad/mediocre teams, he is no ideal centerpiece in a trade for Kawhi. Y'all sleep on Brandon Ingram far too much IMO, also Jaylen brown we're all underestimating as well.

Lakers will only go on the cheap to trade for Kwahi because he's forcing them. They'll offer Deng and Hart or some crap.... Like they did last year with PG. If Kwahi is saying only fakers, then we are lucky if we get Rozier thrown in, forget about Brown and Tatum ...

[objective]

Tobias Harris is so incredible that the Spurs will win 50 games and lose in the first round.

Then blow all their cap space on paying him 4/100 so they don't come out empty handed for Kawhi

Just putting off the rebuild while Kawhi smiles at how he destroyed the Spurs

[spurraider21]

God damn, I honestly had no idea he was 25, seems like he's been in the league forever. Still, last 4 years he's put up #s on bad/mediocre teams, he is no ideal centerpiece in a trade for Kawhi. Y'all sleep on Brandon Ingram far too much IMO, also Jaylen brown we're all underestimating as well.
yeah, he's played 7 seasons and has been on 4 teams... but he started super young.

that said, his 3pt shooting was only at this level last year. in his first 6 years he hovered between 25-35%. suddenly last year he's shooting north of 40% (on more attempts, btw).

he's a good player tbh, but you'd need both first round picks at least tbh, he's not anything near a franchise guy

[Spur|n|Austin]

Lakers will only go on the cheap to trade for Kwahi because he's forcing them. They'll offer Deng and Hart or some crap.... Like they did last year with PG. If Kwahi is saying only fakers, then we are lucky if we get Rozier thrown in, forget about Brown and Tatum ...

Or just don't trade his ass.

[Maddog]

What does that even mean, trade up or down, attaching it to a player, wanting a player.


Pretty much...so just like all along with this saga, nobody knows what the fuck is going on.

The quote of the day/week.

I suspect even the Spurs are not entirely sure of what is going on.

[NASpurs]

You know you have Stockholm syndrome when Tobias fucking Harris starts sounding good.

[SpursDynasty85]

Lakers will only go on the cheap to trade for Kwahi because he's forcing them. They'll offer Deng and Hart or some crap.... Like they did last year with PG. If Kwahi is saying only fakers, then we are lucky if we get Rozier thrown in, forget about Brown and Tatum ...

Pretty much this. Pretty sure Pop knows there relationship as player team is not repairable but he probably wants to negotiate he stretch his teams to the eastern conference to get some sort of value. I really believe Popovich takes the best deal from the Clippers if Eastern teams are really convinced it is a 1-year deal or he gets what he can from an eastern conference team.

[Marcus Bryant]

Or just don't trade his ass.

:tu

Yeah, if the potential return in a trade is shit because Leonard has destroyed his trade value then force him to play out his contract and then walk in free agency without the financial benefit of a sign and trade.

If he doesn't show or claims another dubious injury then suspend without pay.

I don't think this is going to go how Leonard's group thought it would.

[Ron Swanson]

What does that even mean, trade up or down, attaching it to a player, wanting a player.

Yes. /sauces

[Spurs da champs]

What value do those two Clipper 1st round picks have? Who is there? Also don't sleep on PATFO, they obviously made the right choice trading George Hill for the 15th pick in 2011.

[offset formation]

Yeah I don't understand why fans would be upset over a guy being a snake and lying his way to a trade while trying to make a franchise look bad in the process to preserve his own image. So wierd!!!

:bang:bang:bang

[offset formation]

Lou Williams 31 years old, destined to be a good player on a bad team, or a bench player. Harris is 25 and still has the potential with good coaching to be a top 10 player.

And signed for 3 years at $8M per. All while basically being their best player at times last year.

He's a fucking steal.

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs have been 'nice' at least publicly to this point with Leonard. I think that's over. They're not going to do anything to impact what leverage they have left, but I expect they will unload when this is over. There's reputational issues given the claims Leonard's group has been making.

[Gino20]

Say the Spurs do not trade Kawhi and expect him to report to training camp and play all upcoming season. However, Kawhi refuses and sits the entire season. Would the Spurs have a legal right to pause his contract for another season since he elected not to show up and was healthy?

I am not saying that the Spurs should do this, but I wonder what their options would be.

[Marcus Bryant]

Say the Spurs do not trade Kawhi and expect him to report to training camp and play all upcoming season. However, Kawhi refuses and sits the entire season. Would the Spurs have a legal right to pause his contract for another season since he elected not to show up and was healthy?

I am not saying that the Spurs should do this, but I wonder what their options would be.

Gotta report. At some point the Spurs wouldn't have to pay him.

[gambit1990]

Say the Spurs do not trade Kawhi and expect him to report to training camp and play all upcoming season. However, Kawhi refuses and sits the entire season. Would the Spurs have a legal right to pause his contract for another season since he elected not to show up and was healthy?yeah, there can be ramifications if a player is sitting without the team's permission.

[Ice009]

Just got back online. So, a quick scan seems to be that the Pop-Kawhi summit, probably did no good and KL said he officially wants out. Though Jabbari did say it went well and they'll meet again, which leaves a faint hope that they might come to terms. Is that about where we are now?

If that is actually true, then I don't see him getting traded during the draft at all.

[ducks]

Spurs have been 'nice' at least publicly to this point with Leonard. I think that's over. They're not going to do anything to impact what leverage they have left, but I expect they will unload when this is over. There's reputational issues given the claims Leonard's group has been making.

his agent is not anyone elses though

[rude1_79]

if kawaii is traded. and if we get some decent pieces back, is it a good time to go back to moving the ball more?

[objective]

When Kawhi said, "We'll meet again before this is all over" he meant opening night when he plays against the Spurs, and by "all over" he meant Pop's life

[BillMc]

If that is actually true, then I don't see him getting traded during the draft at all.

Unless they met today or the in the morning the day of the draft.

[baseline bum]

:tu

Yeah, if the potential return in a trade is shit because Leonard has destroyed his trade value then force him to play out his contract and then walk in free agency without the financial benefit of a sign and trade.

If he doesn't show or claims another dubious injury then suspend without pay.

I don't think this is going to go how Leonard's group thought it would.

There is no financial benefit to a sign and trade any more. Sign and trades are now limited to the same 4 years and 4.5% raises that not Bird free agent deals are.

[cool cat]

if kawaii is traded. and if we get some decent pieces back, is it a good time to go back to moving the ball more?

Got to move LMA if you want that, this year pretty much showed what the team is like without Kawhi.

[Kori Ellis]

Update (LOL) from Kawhi's sister: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8sl5uk/kawhis_sister_comments_on_instagram_that_kawhi/

[spurschamps99030507]

https://://twitter.com/LBJSanAntonio/status/1009531321650212866?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"> (https://://twitter.com/LBJSanAntonio/status/1009531321650212866?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">)

[Spurs da champs]

Update (LOL) from Kawhi's sister: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8sl5uk/kawhis_sister_comments_on_instagram_that_kawhi/

I don't think his sister knows much more than the rest of us.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I don't think his sister knows much more than the rest of us.

Worse - I'm not sure Kawhi himself knows.

[Dex]

if kawaii is traded. and if we get some decent pieces back, is it a good time to go back to moving the ball more?

Doubtful with LMA still around. He is an ISO player and will demand his touches, instead of Duncan and Diaw (two exceptional and willing passers).

[ECOV]

I don't think his sister knows much more than the rest of us.

She acta like she does

[Marcus Bryant]

his agent is not anyone elses though

Sure but the claim is the Spurs failed to handle his injury properly. That needs to be refuted if untrue.

[Spurs da champs]

Worse - I'm not sure Kawhi himself knows.

Kawhi is a puppet, his loser uncle is living vicariously through this vegetable.

[32fastest]

Has anyone had time to read whatever Kawhi's sister has posted on the latest Instagram post? I skimmed through it but didn't see much. One dude was talking Crap on their uncle.

[offset formation]

You know you have Stockholm syndrome when Tobias fucking Harris starts sounding good.

:rollin

[MannyIsGod]

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Jabari :lol


Wow talk about some inside scoops. If the Spurs feel a trade is good for the 18th pick they'll do it. Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow.

[Budkin]

Update (LOL) from Kawhi's sister: https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8sl5uk/kawhis_sister_comments_on_instagram_that_kawhi/

Kori Bomb! Hi Kori!

[kobyz]

4 teams trade:
Spurs get: Tyson Chandler, Josh Hart, Brandon Ingram, Kyle Kuzma, 4th pick
Lakers get: Kawhi Leonard, Chandler Parsons
Suns get: Pau Gasol, Patrick Mills, Lonzo Ball
Grizzlies: TJ Warren, 16th

[BatManu20]

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[rjv]

Gotta report. At some point the Spurs wouldn't have to pay him.

and the spurs would also be able to file a suit against leonard for monetary compensation.

[SpursDynasty85]

Doubtful with LMA still around. He is an ISO player and will demand his touches, instead of Duncan and Diaw (two exceptional and willing passers).

It's the only way to win anyway. Green's shooting is terrible, no Bellinelli, no Diaw, no Splitter, manu and tp older, no kawhi. We move the ball relatively well considering all this though. NO DUNCAN.. :depressed:depressed

[BatManu20]

4 teams trade:
Spurs get: Josh Hart, Brandon Ingram, Kyle Kuzma, 4th pick
Lakers get: Pau Gasol, Kawhi Leonard, Chandler Parsons
Suns get: Patrick Mills, Lonzo Ball
Grizzlies: TJ Warren, 16th, 25th

Lol the Lakers are literally trying to dump Deng and his albatross of a contract bc they can’t sign Lebron and PG without doing so. The last thing they’re gonna do is take on Parsons’ even more absurd contract, let alone Gasol’s.

[Mugen]

1009528188609835008

This fucker is actually right tbh

[spurraider21]

4 teams trade:
Spurs get: Josh Hart, Brandon Ingram, Kyle Kuzma, 4th pick
Lakers get: Pau Gasol, Kawhi Leonard, Chandler Parsons
Suns get: Patrick Mills, Lonzo Ball
Grizzlies: TJ Warren, 16th
i'd take that obviously. not happening tho

[marinoman]

If that is actually true, then I don't see him getting traded during the draft at all.
Jabaris info comes from kawhis camp it seems, they feed him what to say be careful with stuff he says

[spurraider21]

Lol the Lakers are literally trying to dump Deng and his albatross of a contract bc they can’t sign Lebron and PG without doing so. The last thing they’re gonna do is take on Parsons’ even more absurd contract.
parsons and gasol tbh :lol

for ingram, ball, and kuzma no less

[coachmac87]

Sure but the claim is the Spurs failed to handle his injury properly. That needs to be refuted if untrue.

That’s my biggest beef. That’s the question that needs to be answered and tbh should be easy..it’s getting ignored by the media and spun around like the Spurs have fucked up this entire thing (Cowherd)..

Only a few (Skip, SAS) have somewhat called out Kawhi..SAS said stop blaming them and just say you wanna live in LA meanwhile Skip is somewhat saying injury is BS.

But the media wants LeBron in LA so bad they can’t fuck it up by ripping Kawhi and tarnishing his character..let’s aim at PATFO cause they’re on the way out and nobody likes them (media) anyways..

Once again the mainstream media acting on another agenda

[MannyIsGod]

The Spurs know what is going on, have for a while, unlike Leonard’s amateur hour team, aren’t showing their hand.

Star players sign free agent contracts with different teams all the time. Players ask for trades all the time.

What doesn’t happen all the time is for players with two years left on their contracts to fake injuries and sit out the season while collecting $19 million, then demanding an immediate trade to a specific destination and fabricating bullshit reasons why.

If Kawhi just wanted to play for the Lakers, he could play out his contract and sign there in 2019. If he just wanted out of SA, he’d accept a trade to a number of teams.

I think the plan was to back the Spurs into a corner and be so cancerous that they’d be glad just to get rid of him for Ingram, Kuzma, picks, and Luol Deng’s contract, so the Lakers would still have enough cap space to add LeBron and Paul George too. As though the Spurs would be suckered into helping build the next superteam, like some cucked husband settling for whatever tchotchkes his whore wife lets him take, while giving her the house, cars, bank accounts and half his paycheck in the divorce settlement because “it’s for the good of the kids” and “let’s just move on.” The Spurs aren’t frickin’ Blake.

JFC that last line is saveage AF

[marinoman]

This fucker is actually right tbh
It’s still embarrassing having him represent the fanbase. The tp thing is extremely weak, tony may not even be on the team next year, especially if it’s you or him. He’s his scapegoat. I mean seriously he’s so angry at tp he’s only willing to go longterm to lakers

[exstatic]

Say the Spurs do not trade Kawhi and expect him to report to training camp and play all upcoming season. However, Kawhi refuses and sits the entire season. Would the Spurs have a legal right to pause his contract for another season since he elected not to show up and was healthy?

I am not saying that the Spurs should do this, but I wonder what their options would be.

If you're going with the 'no trade' plan, you don't want him around the team, anyway. YOU send HIM home, like PHO did with Bledsoe. You just say that you don't want him injured while exploring trade options.

[RD2191]

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So now skip bayless's opinion carries weight around here? Oh how the mighty have fallen :lol

[SpursDynasty85]

So now skip bayless's opinion carries weight around here? Oh how the mighty have fallen :lol

Skip is laughable but his high regard of the spurs is consistent. Whether he is paid to always back them up or not his argument obviously speaks to the fans who feel the same way. Same with Kawhi Fans and Shannon (edited).

[Marcus Bryant]

Between Boston, Philly, and Cleveland I think the Spurs can get a decent bidding war for Leonard with a reasonable return. That will take probably some time this summer. Right now the environment is not conducive for a good return, even with the draft.

[clambake]

he's getting more attention now than ever.

maybe thats what he wanted all along.

[MR-Clutch]

Link: 3 team trade-Memphis, SA, 76ers (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9t7cdnm)

Grizzlies Receive:
· Convington & Jarred Bayless
· Rights to Jonah Bolden
· 76ers 10th pick
· 76ers 38 pick

Spurs Receive:
·Fultz & Saric
· Grizzlies 4th Pick
· 76ers 26th pick
· 76ers 39th pick
· Rights Anzejs Pasecniks

76ers Receive:
Kawhi Leonard & Chandler Parsons

[Pavlov]

Between Boston, Philly, and Cleveland I think the Spurs can get a decent bidding war for Leonard with a reasonable return. That will take probably some time this summer. Right now the environment is not conducive for a good return, even with the draft.How do you figure if Kawhi only wants to play in LA? Just seems like Lakers vs. Clippers with only the Clippers' having any sense of urgency.

[szkorhetz]

Link: 3 team trade-Memphis, SA, 76ers (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9t7cdnm)

Grizzlies Receive:
· Convington & Jarred Bayless
· Rights to Jonah Bolden
· 76ers 10th pick
· 76ers 38 pick

Spurs Receive:
·Fultz & Saric
· Grizzlies 4th Pick
· 76ers 26th pick
· 76ers 39th pick
· Rights Anzejs Pasecniks

76ers Receive:
Kawhi Leonard & Chandler Parsons
Low.

[exstatic]

How do you figure if Kawhi only wants to play in LA? Just seems like Lakers vs. Clippers with only the Clippers' having any sense of urgency.

Go read earlier parts of the thread. The Laker's cap room has an expiration date. If they can't get a panic trade by the Spurs (and they can't), they can sign LeBron and PG, but they won't be close to MAX cap room next summer, because they'll have to stretch Deng to even sign the first two players. The would be able to offer Kawhi only like $80-90M under that scenario. Leverage by 'the group' is gone.

[marinoman]

Kawhi blaming tp would be like me blaming robdiaz to leave spurstalk and join lakers underground exclusive.

Does robdiaz suck? Hell yes. Is he a bitch? No doubt. Would I like him to have a very painful death? Without question.
But I still wouldn’t demand to be on lakersunderground, especially if spurstalk is paying 20 million for my services

[Marcus Bryant]

Leonard's camp has played almost all their cards. The last would be leaking that he won't play for any team next season other than the Lakers. At which point the Spurs say thanks, we're not paying you and not trading you to the Lakers.

[DJR210]

:lol at a variety of Celtic based publications running with the notion that Jaylen Brown would be enough as the main asset in a Kawhi trade package

[spurraider21]

Link: 3 team trade-Memphis, SA, 76ers (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9t7cdnm)

Grizzlies Receive:
· Convington & Jarred Bayless
· Rights to Jonah Bolden
· 76ers 10th pick
· 76ers 38 pick

Spurs Receive:
·Fultz & Saric
· Grizzlies 4th Pick
· 76ers 26th pick
· 76ers 39th pick
· Rights Anzejs Pasecniks

76ers Receive:
Kawhi Leonard & Chandler Parsons
sixers aren't sending fultz/saric/covington/10th for kawhi and the parsons albatross

[DJR210]

Does robdiaz suck? Hell yes. Is he a bitch? No doubt. Would I like him to have a very painful death? Without question.

:lol what has RD2191 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42690) done to you to deserve this?

[coachmac87]

he's getting more attention now than ever.

maybe thats what he wanted all along.

He was considered a top 3-5 player by the masses. Some picked him as MVP favorite..Some were even saying LeBron should come to SA and play with a player like him..

He fell through the cracks and was forgotten cause his bruised thigh hurt too much. Some talking heads weren’t even ready to write the Spurs off because he could’ve came back..

Kawhi did this to himself

[Marcus Bryant]

How do you figure if Kawhi only wants to play in LA? Just seems like Lakers vs. Clippers with only the Clippers' having any sense of urgency.

Cleveland's motivated to try to keep LeBron. The other two think they're close and don't want the other, or the Cavs, to get Leonard. Even if it's a one year rental that's worth something and GMs and coaches always think they can change a player's mind.

[coachmac87]

he's getting more attention now than ever.

maybe thats what he wanted all along.

He was considered a top 3-5 player by the masses. Some picked him as MVP favorite..Some were even saying LeBron should come to SA and play with a player like him..

He fell through the cracks and was forgotten cause his bruised thigh hurt too much. Some talking heads weren’t even ready to write the Spurs off because he could’ve came back..

Kawhi did this to himself

[marinoman]

:lol what has RD2191 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42690) done to you to deserve this?
Nothing just a joke

[Marcus Bryant]

Go read earlier parts of the thread. The Laker's cap room has an expiration date. If they can't get a panic trade by the Spurs (and they can't), they can sign LeBron and PG, but they won't be close to MAX cap room next summer, because they'll have to stretch Deng to even sign the first two players. The would be able to offer Kawhi only like $80-90M under that scenario. Leverage by 'the group' is gone.

His group seemed to think the Spurs' response would be sure, whatever you want. Naive doesn't begin to describe that mindset.

[Marcus Bryant]

If you're Boston or Philly do you want to see the Cavs get Leonard? There's an angle there and unless Leonard wants to not get paid next year he'll play.

[RD2191]

Kawhi blaming tp would be like me blaming robdiaz to leave spurstalk and join lakers underground exclusive.

Does robdiaz suck? Hell yes. Is he a bitch? No doubt. Would I like him to have a very painful death? Without question.
But I still wouldn’t demand to be on lakersunderground, especially if spurstalk is paying 20 million for my services

http://lakerholicz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/mg_0211.jpg

Don't hate us cuz you ain't us. :hat

[r0drig0lac]

They definitely can, but this is assuming that both PG and Lebron want to go there. If Lebron resigns a one year with Cleveland, then whats to stop the Lakers from just waiting a year?

There is no surefire good play here. Its a gamble no matter what choice they make. There's something to be said about just moving on and getting the best you can now and focusing on the next year, too. No real good options, honestly.

It would be naive to believe that Lebron will be waiting for Kawhi for a year, if Lebron wanted to be a Laker, he would have gone there when he was younger, he will only play Los Angeles if he can form a supertime, not because is the great Los Angeles Lakers

[baseline bum]

Go read earlier parts of the thread. The Laker's cap room has an expiration date. If they can't get a panic trade by the Spurs (and they can't), they can sign LeBron and PG, but they won't be close to MAX cap room next summer, because they'll have to stretch Deng to even sign the first two players. The would be able to offer Kawhi only like $80-90M under that scenario. Leverage by 'the group' is gone.

They'd be able to offer 4 years, $99 million under that scenario. But the Lakers don't have to stretch Deng to land James + PG13 and still be able to offer Leonard a four year, $130 million contract next summer. It would be funny though, because it would force them to salary dump at least one of Ingram/Ball this summer for absolutely nothing and salary dump their first round picks this year and next. And with one less asset to package with Deng it might be harder to move him next summer. They might just have to move Ingram + Ball + Deng in a salary dump this summer to get someone to take Deng's contract off their hands so that they could hold on to Kuzma at least in the long run if they're serious about holding a slot open for Leonard.

[Pavlov]

Go read earlier parts of the thread. The Laker's cap room has an expiration date. If they can't get a panic trade by the Spurs (and they can't), they can sign LeBron and PG, but they won't be close to MAX cap room next summer, because they'll have to stretch Deng to even sign the first two players. The would be able to offer Kawhi only like $80-90M under that scenario. Leverage by 'the group' is gone.OK, I wouldn't be sure that signing those three is their plan tbh and it's hard to see the Spurs' keeping and playing Kancerwhi at this point. I'd kind of like to see the Spurs' just sitting Kahwi, but that just extends the fiasco. It's paradoxical, but it looks like the best way for the Spurs to salvage their reputation is to accommodate Kawhi in whatever way works best for them.

[SpursDynasty85]

It would be naive to believe that Lebron will be waiting for Kawhi for a year, if Lebron wanted to be a Laker, he would have gone there when he was younger, he will only play Los Angeles if he can form a supertime, not because is the great Los Angeles Lakers


I disagree. Lakers have young talented players. Add in two top 10 players makes them contenders over Rockets even without Kawhi.

[marinoman]

I rather have kawhi possibly sit then leave for nothing and have more money open up than take trash players

[Marcus Bryant]

It would be naive to believe that Lebron will be waiting for Kawhi for a year, if Lebron wanted to be a Laker, he would have gone there when he was younger, he will only play Los Angeles if he can form a supertime, not because is the great Los Angeles Lakers

I think he goes to Philly before LA if he leaves. The Spurs are not dealing Leonard to a Western conference team, let alone the Lakers. If anything one would expect Philly to make a push for Leonard.

[SpursDynasty85]

I rather have kawhi possibly sit then leave for nothing and have more money open up than take trash players

More cap space is usually for high paid free agents. Spurs need to look for draft picks or young players on cap friendly contracts. Rookie contracts with good to great potential is 2nd only to top 5 player signings.

[SpursWoman]

Go read earlier parts of the thread. The Laker's cap room has an expiration date. If they can't get a panic trade by the Spurs (and they can't), they can sign LeBron and PG, but they won't be close to MAX cap room next summer, because they'll have to stretch Deng to even sign the first two players. The would be able to offer Kawhi only like $80-90M under that scenario. Leverage by 'the group' is gone.

I couldn't imagine anyone being so bitter to leave $100 million on the table.

[r0drig0lac]

When Kawhi said, "We'll meet again before this is all over" he meant opening night when he plays against the Spurs, and by "all over" he meant Pop's life

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smilol.gif

[exstatic]

OK, I wouldn't be sure that signing those three is their plan tbh and it's hard to see the Spurs' keeping and playing Kancerwhi at this point. I'd kind of like to see the Spurs' just sitting Kahwi, but that just extends the fiasco. It's paradoxical, but it looks like the best way for the Spurs to salvage their reputation is to accommodate Kawhi in whatever way works best for them.

Oh, there's no way they're keeping Kawhi. Once the Lakers are effectively cock blocked, though, other trade possibilities open, and better offers begin to flow in.

[clambake]

i'd keep him and give him lebron minutes.

[Mugen]

The Clippers haul is the best, realistic resolution to this bullshit tbh. Unfortunately, Spurs only have about 24 hours to get it done. Otherwise, they better be prepared to hold him until the trade deadline.

[exstatic]

I couldn't imagine anyone being so bitter to leave $100 million on the table.

The 'group' has already effectively walked away from $35M, and by saying 'Lakers only' are flirting with walking away from another $40M. They're easily that clueless.

Oh, and hi SW!

[Kori Ellis]

Hi, ex and SW!

[exstatic]

Hi, ex and SW!

Hey, Kori. Crazy times...

[SpursWoman]

Hey, Kori. Crazy times...

Got tired of commiserating by myself. :lol

[SpursWoman]

Hi, ex and SW!

Hi!

[Marcus Bryant]

I couldn't imagine anyone being so bitter to leave $100 million on the table.

Not hard to see alternate scenario where Leonard plays last season, is Mr. Model Team Player, and the Spurs end up giving him the supermax. If he was concerned about what direction the Spurs would take after Pop retires then negotiate a player option. All signs point to his Uncle screwing things up badly which will end up costing Leonard a large amount.

[Brazil]

Kawhi’s sister.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgJunDAUwAUVGsM.jpg

" He has makes "

ducks is Kawhi sister ?

:lmao

[spurraider21]

Hi, ex and SW!
divisive rhetoric from leadership per par

[Marcus Bryant]

His uncle has no experience doing this shit. I wouldn't expect a commercial banker, let alone a retail one to be able to represent an average NBA player, let alone a star.

[Spurs9]

The Clippers haul is the best, realistic resolution to this bullshit tbh. Unfortunately, Spurs only have about 24 hours to get it done. Otherwise, they better be prepared to hold him until the trade deadline.
Not to mention if it happened, LeBron could sign there :lol

[MoSpur02]

Here's my opinion as to what happened. The Spurs and Kawhi (uncle) met. The Spurs asked what do we have to do for you to be a Spur next season and beyond? Kawhi (uncle) responds saying we want the $219 extension. Spurs respond saying that isn't happening until next season after you qualify again because we want to see just how healthy you are and how well you play in the 2018/2019 season. Kawhi (uncle) then says then trade me/us, preferably to the Lakers.

Second meeting takes place and the Spurs this time offer an extension, but not the $219 million. Kawhi (uncle) says no thanks and says trade me/us to L.A.

I think Kawhi will sign if the Spurs somehow offer the $219 million, but doubt the Spurs want to because of his injury and because of all the drama that has taken place.

So now the Spurs will trade him to a team that offers the best package. Just my opinion.

[baseline bum]

The Clippers haul is the best, realistic resolution to this bullshit tbh. Unfortunately, Spurs only have about 24 hours to get it done. Otherwise, they better be prepared to hold him until the trade deadline.

I disagree. The Lakers will necessarily take themselves out of the hunt if LeBron signs there, and then Boston and Philly are real options.

[Brazil]

The Spurs know what is going on, have for a while, unlike Leonard’s amateur hour team, aren’t showing their hand.

Star players sign free agent contracts with different teams all the time. Players ask for trades all the time.

What doesn’t happen all the time is for players with two years left on their contracts to fake injuries and sit out the season while collecting $19 million, then demanding an immediate trade to a specific destination and fabricating bullshit reasons why.

If Kawhi just wanted to play for the Lakers, he could play out his contract and sign there in 2019. If he just wanted out of SA, he’d accept a trade to a number of teams.

I think the plan was to back the Spurs into a corner and be so cancerous that they’d be glad just to get rid of him for Ingram, Kuzma, picks, and Luol Deng’s contract, so the Lakers would still have enough cap space to add LeBron and Paul George too. As though the Spurs would be suckered into helping build the next superteam, like some cucked husband settling for whatever tchotchkes his whore wife lets him take, while giving her the house, cars, bank accounts and half his paycheck in the divorce settlement because “it’s for the good of the kids” and “let’s just move on.” The Spurs aren’t frickin’ Blake.

:wow holy shit

:lol

[baseline bum]

Here's my opinion as to what happened. The Spurs and Kawhi (uncle) met. The Spurs asked what do we have to do for you to be a Spur next season and beyond? Kawhi (uncle) responds saying we want the $219 extension. Spurs respond saying that isn't happening until next season after you qualify again because we want to see just how healthy you are and how well you play in the 2018/2019 season. Kawhi (uncle) then says then trade me/us, preferably to the Lakers.

Second meeting takes place and the Spurs this time offer an extension, but not the $219 million. Kawhi (uncle) says no thanks and says trade me/us to L.A.

I think Kawhi will sign if the Spurs somehow offer the $219 million, but doubt the Spurs want to because of his injury and because of all the drama that has taken place.

So now the Spurs will trade him to a team that offers the best package. Just my opinion.

Dennis probably asked for a no-trade clause so they could get the $219 million and still force a trade to the Lakers in a year.

[coachmac87]

Not hard to see alternate scenario where Leonard plays last season, is Mr. Model Team Player, and the Spurs end up giving him the supermax. If he was concerned about what direction the Spurs would take after Pop retires then negotiate a player option. All signs point to his Uncle screwing things up badly which will end up costing Leonard a large amount.

Business 101

Never mix family and business..especially if the person is pretty much a groupie

[Mugen]

I disagree. The Lakers will necessarily take themselves out of the hunt if LeBron signs there, and then Boston and Philly are real options.

Ainge will low ball and doesn't have much incentive to move Tatum or Brown. I'm not interested in anything Philly has outside of the 10th pick.

[SpursDynasty85]

Dennis probably asked for a no-trade clause so they could get the $219 million and still force a trade to the Lakers in a year.

Has to be in the back of Pop and Rc Buford's minds for sure.

[exstatic]

Here's my opinion as to what happened. The Spurs and Kawhi (uncle) met. The Spurs asked what do we have to do for you to be a Spur next season and beyond? Kawhi (uncle) responds saying we want the $219 extension. Spurs respond saying that isn't happening until next season after you qualify again because we want to see just how healthy you are and how well you play in the 2018/2019 season. Kawhi (uncle) then says then trade me/us, preferably to the Lakers.

Second meeting takes place and the Spurs this time offer an extension, but not the $219 million. Kawhi (uncle) says no thanks and says trade me/us to L.A.

I think Kawhi will sign if the Spurs somehow offer the $219 million, but doubt the Spurs want to because of his injury and because of all the drama that has taken place.

So now the Spurs will trade him to a team that offers the best package. Just my opinion.

There was something about a no-trade clause, also, which the Spurs refused. Hell, the GSW refused to give one to Curry last summer. Who TF does Kawhi think he is?

He's not getting $213M. Only the Spurs could give it to him, and they won't. There is no trust left at all. The Spurs think it's a ploy to get the SuperMax, and THEN force a trade. The group thinks that without the no-trade clause the Spurs will trade him next summer, at first opportunity for a haul, since the SuperMax locks him in for 5 years.

[Marcus Bryant]

Dennis probably asked for a no-trade clause so they could get the $219 million and still force a trade to the Lakers in a year.

And $70-80 mil just disappears.

[baseline bum]

Ainge will low ball and doesn't have much incentive to move Tatum or Brown. I'm not interested in anything Philly has outside of the 10th pick.

As if 12, 13, and Harris isn't a massive lowball.

[Mugen]

As if 12, 13, and Harris isn't a massive lowball.

Definitely a lowball but it's better than what I think Boston would offer. You can argue that a Philly package of 10, Fultz, and Saric would be better but I'm not high on either player tbh.

[Seventyniner]

As if 12, 13, and Harris isn't a massive lowball.

Can the Clippers get closer by adding in Gallo and Lou Williams and maybe a pick swap in '19 and/or '20 while taking back Pau and Mills? Or some combination of that.

It's still well short of 100 cents on the dollar, but a few extra nickels and pennies can eventually tip the scales perhaps.

[r0drig0lac]

would only consider the 76ers if the offer was something like Kawhi + Mills for # 10 + RoCo + Saric + Fultz + Bolden

[Dex]

His uncle has no experience doing this shit. I wouldn't expect a commercial banker, let alone a retail one to be able to represent an average NBA player, let alone a star.

No kidding. It's like someone acting like they are capable of being the executive chef of a 4-star restaurant because they spent 6 months bagging groceries at HEB.

[Marcus Bryant]

No reason to make a trade now. No rumors of good return being offered. Let the draft and free agency play out and in time there will be a good opportunity. At some point it should be apparent to Leonard the cost to him of his representation's moves. I would not be surprised to see Leonard's camp attempt to salvage the relationship given the amount of money involved.

[SpursDynasty85]

Definitely a lowball but it's better than what I think Boston would offer. You can argue that a Philly package of 10, Fultz, and Saric would be better but I'm not high on either player tbh.

Its only a lowball for Clippers because that was 1 of the 2 teams Kawhi actually desired plus it's in the western conference. If the Spurs had to trade to Clippers it needs to be great. That offer doesn't seem too bad since draft picks are high value now a days and Tobias Harris on such a friendly contract that it gives us more cap space. Spurs should still do well without superstar talent.

[HarlemHeat37]

Can the Clippers get closer by adding in Gallo and Lou Williams and maybe a pick swap in '19 and/or '20 while taking back Pau and Mills? Or some combination of that.

It's still well short of 100 cents on the dollar, but a few extra nickels and pennies can eventually tip the scales perhaps.

Lou Williams(I'm not a fan, but locked in at 8 mil per year for an elite 6th man is worth it) and taking back Pau or Mills would soften the blow for me IMO.

Gallinari doesn't interest me whatsoever..he can't stay on the floor for 5 minutes without getting hurt..

[TD 21]

Here's my opinion as to what happened. The Spurs and Kawhi (uncle) met. The Spurs asked what do we have to do for you to be a Spur next season and beyond? Kawhi (uncle) responds saying we want the $219 extension. Spurs respond saying that isn't happening until next season after you qualify again because we want to see just how healthy you are and how well you play in the 2018/2019 season. Kawhi (uncle) then says then trade me/us, preferably to the Lakers.

Second meeting takes place and the Spurs this time offer an extension, but not the $219 million. Kawhi (uncle) says no thanks and says trade me/us to L.A.

I think Kawhi will sign if the Spurs somehow offer the $219 million, but doubt the Spurs want to because of his injury and because of all the drama that has taken place.

So now the Spurs will trade him to a team that offers the best package. Just my opinion.

He has $79M reasons to sign the DPE or super max (the amount he'd lose if he's traded, but not to L.A., then signs their in '19). He's also in the process of having houses built in San Antonio for his mom and him and we don't know how recently he told Green, his closest confidant on the team, he'd prefer to stay, but he apparently did so. It also echoes what his sister said around that time. Both basically hinted that he'd do so if offered the DPE or super max.

Up until his representation leaking his supposed trade request to the media last Friday, there was also a sense from multiple reports, that things were inching towards reconciliation. The request came after the Wojnarowski story came out about the Spurs' unwillingness to immediately offer it.

The only way to make sense of all this, is that it's a leverage play.

[Marcus Bryant]

Up until last season Leonard was content to play in SA and spend his offseason in SoCal. What changed? Why this need to play in LA? Yes, representation. Still, is it worth giving up the supermax? It's strange.

[Twisted_Dawg]

If you're Boston or Philly do you want to see the Cavs get Leonard? There's an angle there and unless Leonard wants to not get paid next year he'll play.

Bingo! And if you are Boston or Philly, do you want to see Leonard in the formation of a new Laker super team, or even a much improved Cav team with Leonard? It behooves both teams to keep Leonard away from the Lakers or Cavs. And if you are Boston or Philly, you put Leonard on Bron if he stays in Cleveland, and then on Durant in the Finals.

[SpursWoman]

Not hard to see alternate scenario where Leonard plays last season, is Mr. Model Team Player, and the Spurs end up giving him the supermax. If he was concerned about what direction the Spurs would take after Pop retires then negotiate a player option. All signs point to his Uncle screwing things up badly which will end up costing Leonard a large amount.

I'm hoping for the first scenario, but pretty much resigned to Uncle Dumbass screwing it up. :(

[SpursWoman]

i'd keep him and give him lebron minutes.

:lol

He'd be back in New York by the All-Star break

[Marcus Bryant]

The only way to make sense of all this, is that it's a leverage play.

Pretty much. But if you're the Spurs do you commit $200 mil to a guy who effectively sat out a season rather than play for you? Maybe Pop circa 2018 is a forgiving softie, but how about the rest of the front office and the ownership group?

[RD2191]

Up until last season Leonard was content to play in SA and spend his offseason in SoCal. What changed? Why this need to play in LA? Yes, representation. Still, is it worth giving up the supermax? It's strange.

Blame Porker tbh

[Mugen]

I just don't see how you give 200+ million dollars to a guy who's spent the better part of the last year shitting on his teammates, the fans, and the organization.

[SpursDynasty85]

Bingo! And if you are Boston or Philly, do you want to see Leonard in the formation of a new Laker super team, or even a much improved Cav team with Leonard? It behooves both teams to keep Leonard away from the Lakers or Cavs. And if you are Boston or Philly, you put Leonard on Bron if he stays in Cleveland, and then on Durant in the Finals.

Which makes the Clippers a lot more likely. Leaving Clippers for the Lakers and leaving money on the table is probably something Kawhi camp would not do since it at least got them at his preferred destination. He needs some pr damage control and I think quietly signing to the team that gave assets for him would do wonders for him.

[Marcus Bryant]

How many more lingering injuries is he going to have? I'd wait, a good offer will come in time and move him as opposed to reconciling and paying the supermax.

[sasaint]

No kidding. It's like someone acting like they are capable of being the executive chef of a 4-star restaurant because they spent 6 months bagging groceries at HEB.

:lol "Hi, I'm the NBA agent department at HEB!"

[Marcus Bryant]

I just don't see how you give 200+ million dollars to a guy who's spent the better part of the last year shitting on his teammates, the fans, and the organization.

Yep. And Uncle Dennis just cost his nephew $80 mil.

[Pavlov]

Up until last season Leonard was content to play in SA and spend his offseason in SoCal. What changed? Why this need to play in LA? Yes, representation. Still, is it worth giving up the supermax? It's strange.My conspiracy theory is that he does indeed have a degenerative condition that could ultimately cut his career short and he needs to find the way to get the most money in the shortest time. The Spurs aren't going to give the supermax because they have their initial diagnosis in mind so Kawhi has to go where the supermax is a potential or at least able to be offset by endorsements.

It's a stupid theory, but there haven't been a whole lot of smart moves since Elfus was fired.

[BackHome]

Kawhi still can’t wipe his own ass - Daboom where the hell you at?

[Birn]

The Spurs are smart to wait it out and continue to work towards a reconciliation. They have until October 16 to offer the Super max deal. Spurs are in no hurry. Time is on Spurs side. By Oct 16 both the Lakers and Clippers will have filled out their rosters with free agents and won't have any cap space to sign him outright after next season. With his preferred destinations off the table, his only other options are to take the Spurs offer or get traded somewhere other than LA. I've always felt that the Spurs would keep Leonard. I strongly believe this is all just an effort by his representatives to create leverage. It may blow up in their face.

[TD 21]

Pretty much. But if you're the Spurs do you commit $200 mil to a guy who effectively sat out a season rather than play for you? Maybe Pop circa 2018 is a forgiving softie, but how about the rest of the front office and the ownership group?

So long as I have relative confidence in his health not derailing his career during the life of the contract, I do. He's the hardest thing on all of professional sports to find: An NBA superstar. There's less than 10 at any given time (many of which now congregate) and if you're even going to think of competing for championships, your team has to start with at least one of them.

Get him signed and worse case scenario, it doesn't work out and both sides can work together on a trade a year from now. He gets his money, they get a max return.

[marinoman]

So are we done with the possibility this is a ploy for the supermax or does that idea still have legs?

[tbdog]

Lou Williams 31 years old, destined to be a good player on a bad team, or a bench player. Harris is 25 and still has the potential with good coaching to be a top 10 player.

Harris is dumb. He has no basketball iq. I've watched a lot of magic games. Every team he plays for loses. I rather galli and his contract

[BSfromTX]

So are we done with the possibility this is a ploy for the supermax or does that idea still have legs?

They may still be wanting it (and with no trade clause as mentioned), but I don't think Pop is anywhere near considering it after all this.

[Hoops Czar]

Up until last season Leonard was content to play in SA and spend his offseason in SoCal. What changed? Why this need to play in LA? Yes, representation. Still, is it worth giving up the supermax? It's strange.



Mills and Gasol contracts
BP3 and Laughverne replacing two rotation players in Simmons and Dedmon
destroying the cap for the next three years eating into Kawhi's prime
resting key players in meaningful games against elite competition because Pop is afraid to show his hand and he wants to prove to the networks who's running the show.
Pop lauding his opponents to death with poor jokes and childish behavior every time he gets thoroughly out coached.


Other than that, not much.

[Twisted_Dawg]

If the team we trade Leonard to (other than the Lakers), can they trade Leonard to the Lakers at the trade deadline and recoup part of their trade investment? And would the Lakers then be able to resign him at a higher contract?

[Marcus Bryant]

If the team we trade Leonard to (other than the Lakers), can they trade Leonard to the Lakers at the trade deadline and recoup part of their trade investment? And would the Lakers then be able to resign him at a higher contract?

Yes he could be traded again but no supermax.

[K...]

Mills and Gasol contracts
BP3 and Laughverne replacing two rotation players in Simmons and Dedmon
destroying the cap for the next three years eating into Kawhi's prime
resting key players in meaningful games against elite competition because Pop is afraid to show his hand and he wants to prove to the networks who's running the show.
Pop lauding his opponents to death with poor jokes and childish behavior every time he gets thoroughly out coached.


Other than that, not much.

Players generally are cool with players getting $$$. We lost Simmons but got gay and Chris Paul's niece? Pop had to bloviate because kawhi isn't charismatic enough to meet demand for TV hits. Oh an I'm sure kawhi has the fans and tv execs in mind when he decided to rest the whole God dang season

[Twisted_Dawg]

Yes he could be traded again but no supermax.

Selling point to Boston, Philly, Phoenix, Sact. I don't see Jerry West trading him to a cross town rival.

[r0drig0lac]

Harris is dumb. He has no basketball iq. I've watched a lot of magic games. Every team he plays for loses. I rather galli and his contract

me too, Gallo is just a better basketball player

[exstatic]

Ainge will low ball and doesn't have much incentive to move Tatum or Brown. I'm not interested in anything Philly has outside of the 10th pick.

You're looking at this as two separate situations. It isn't. It's interwoven.

It's like poker. You can win on a bluff. All RC has to do is CONVINCE Boston that Philly is getting him.

[baseline bum]

My conspiracy theory is that he does indeed have a degenerative condition that could ultimately cut his career short and he needs to find the way to get the most money in the shortest time. The Spurs aren't going to give the supermax because they have their initial diagnosis in mind so Kawhi has to go where the supermax is a potential or at least able to be offset by endorsements.

It's a stupid theory, but there haven't been a whole lot of smart moves since Elfus was fired.

The ability to offer the supermax isn't transferable. The Spurs are the only team that can offer it. They couldn't trade the right to offer the supermax if they wanted to.

[exstatic]

Selling point to Boston, Philly, Phoenix, Sact. I don't see Jerry West trading him to a cross town rival.

I don't see Boston or Philly flipping him, either.

[ducks]

Who would buy Leonard house he is building in sa after all this

[Hoops Czar]

Players generally are cool with players getting $$$. We lost Simmons but got gay and Chris Paul's niece? Pop had to bloviate because kawhi isn't charismatic enough to meet demand for TV hits. Oh an I'm sure kawhi has the fans and tv execs in mind when he decided to rest the whole God dang season

Rudy Gay is only here because he was coming off a career threatening injury.

Players are cool with other players making money so long as they stay a contender. If you were in a dead end job with low pay and minimal chance for advancement but were offered a better job with roughly the same pay but with more flexibility and many chances of advancement, would you stay in your dead end job?

Pop coaches like he doesn't give a shit half the time. You don't that attitude eventually rubs off onto the players?

[Pavlov]

The ability to offer the supermax isn't transferable. The Spurs are the only team that can offer it. They couldn't trade the right to offer the supermax if they wanted to.That's what I thought but wasn't sure. Since he isn't getting the supermax from the Spurs, it's now figuring out the best salary+endorsement formula.

[Pavlov]

Rudy Gay is only here because he was coming off a career threatening injury.

Players are cool with other players making money so long as they stay a contender. If you were in a dead end job with low pay and minimal chance for advancement but were offered a better job with roughly the same pay but with more flexibility and many chances of advancement, would you stay in your dead end job?

Pop coaches like he doesn't give a shit anymore. You don't that attitude eventually rubs off onto the players?I love it when posters project their biases on to NBA players.

Why of course these multimillionaire elite athletes would think just like I do!