Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[Play Boban]

Ignoring your extreme white bias shtick, he led Utah to 1 playoff appearance and they made it just as far the following season without him:lol

He's a nice #3 guy who could pass for better in the correct system(and then get exposed in the playoffs)..he's like a prime Joe Johnson-caliber talent..
They replaced him with another number one guy tbh (Mitchell), and added a co percent point guard (Rubio) tbh.

I think you and I have different definitions of number one guys tbh...he was the number one guy on a playoff team already tbh. Maybe he wouldn’t be the number one guy on most title winning teams (though he would’ve been on the 2014 Spurs tbh), but he’s a number one on most teams tbh....

:wakeup

[Play Boban]

He's not a natural #1 at all. Like I said, he's a complementary guy.
He’s a top 30 player on the league, and given there’s only 30 teams, I’m not sure how he’s not a number one tbh... :lol

[Vic Petro]

He’s a top 30 player on the league, and given there’s only 30 teams, I’m not sure how he’s not a number one tbh... :lol

A #1, to me, means “I can win a ring with this guy as my best player.”

Not the case with Hayward.

[HarlemHeat37]

They replaced him with another number one guy tbh (Mitchell), and added a co percent point guard (Rubio) tbh.

I think you and I have different definitions of number one guys tbh...he was the number one guy on a playoff team already tbh. Maybe he wouldn’t be the number one guy on most title winning teams (though he would’ve been on the 2014 Spurs tbh), but he’s a number one on most teams tbh....

:wakeup

If you're being literal about it, sure, but who cares:lol a visibly declining Goran Dragic was technically a #1 on a playoff team this season, for example..

We're discussing #1 options on title contending teams..

[Mr. Body]

He’s a top 30 player on the league, and given there’s only 30 teams, I’m not sure how he’s not a number one tbh... :lol

He wouldn't be a #1 option on an ideal team. This isn't that hard. He does everything else, but you'd want a guy like Kyrie or whatever. MJ was a #1, Pippen was not, even though Pippen was a top player in the league.

[tholdren]

He wouldn't be a #1 option on an ideal team. This isn't that hard. He does everything else, but you'd want a guy like Kyrie or whatever. MJ was a #1, Pippen was not, even though Pippen was a top player in the league.

Lol kyrie as a number one. Lolololollklolol

[callo1]

i often read this but im not sure if there’s any truth to it. it has been proven that market size is irrelevant in sheer sales volume. kyrie, followed by lebron had the best selling signature basketball shoes in 2017.

KL isn’t going to magically start selling more sneakers in LA. fans are attracted to dynamic athletes with personality, regardless of their location. also worth noting that Jordan Brand repped athletes usually have a poor sales track record.

I agree that the market does not play a major role in endorsements anymore. Social media has really leveled the playing field in that regard. Back in the day, a player pretty much had to be in a large market to capitalize on lare endorsement deals, not anymore.

I do think being able to speak for yourself and have some sort of charisma matters. In that regard kawhi is limiting himself regardless of where he plays.

[Mr. Body]

Lol kyrie as a number one. Lolololollklolol

I think you morons don't understand what #1 means. It means the guy who is the focus of an offense. Kyrie was sure as fuck the #1 for Boston when he was healthy last year.

[coachmac87]

Ignoring your extreme white bias shtick, he led Utah to 1 playoff appearance and they made it just as far the following season without him:lol

He's a nice #3 guy who could pass for better in the correct system(and then get exposed in the playoffs)..he's like a prime Joe Johnson-caliber talent..


Racist comment...

[DPG21920]

You still want this nigga back, D?

He’s dead to be but getting him under contract would be huge whether or not SA keeps him.

[HarlemHeat37]

You still want this nigga back, D?

If they work shit out and he signs a long deal, all will be forgotten on my side:lol

You don't pass up elite talent in this league..

[marinoman]

If they work shit out and he signs a long deal, all will be forgotten on my side:lol

You don't pass up elite talent in this league..
Honestly if I thought oj simpson could help us win a championship id take him too

[sasaint]

If they work shit out and he signs a long deal, all will be forgotten on my side:lol

You don't pass up elite talent in this league..

If they work shit out, all but about 5 posters here will immediately jump back on the :claw train and claim they were always on board.

[Vic Petro]

I think you morons don't understand what #1 means. It means the guy who is the focus of an offense. Kyrie was sure as fuck the #1 for Boston when he was healthy last year.

You cannot win a ring with Kyrie as your best player, so he’s not a #1. The “focus” of the Hawks offense was Dennis fucking Schroeder

[Play Boban]

I think you morons don't understand what #1 means. It means the guy who is the focus of an offense. Kyrie was sure as fuck the #1 for Boston when he was healthy last year.
That’s true. And Hayward was sure as Hell the #1 for Utah.

I think Kylie and Hayward would have shared #1 duties in Boston this past year if they were both healthy. Maybe Kylie gets more usage because he is a hero baller tbh.

[Play Boban]

You cannot win a ring with Kyrie as your best player, so he’s not a #1. The “focus” of the Hawks offense was Dennis fucking Schroeder
By that metric, the only current #1s are LeBron, Durant, Curry, and Kawhitter, then? Such a small list tbh....

[SuperCam]

By that metric, the only current #1s are LeBron, Durant, Curry, and Kawhitter, then? Such a small list tbh....

neither is kiwi then since he doesn't even have one WCF win under his name as leader

[Thomas82]

I don't think Kawhi has really thought this thing out. In San Antonio he is basically protected. Media coverage in SA is like a 3-5 mph breeze on a late summer evening. In a place like Los Angeles he'll be inside an EF 5 tornado. He'll be miserable. As far as endorsements are concerned he'll need to set the league on fire and develop a much more outgoing personality. Right now he couldn't sell ice cones to people living in the Mojave desert.


i often read this but im not sure if there’s any truth to it. it has been proven that market size is irrelevant in sheer sales volume. kyrie, followed by lebron had the best selling signature basketball shoes in 2017.

KL isn’t going to magically start selling more sneakers in LA. fans are attracted to dynamic athletes with personality, regardless of their location. also worth noting that Jordan Brand repped athletes usually have a poor sales track record.


That's why this whole ploy by Kawhi's group is retarded. Going to a bigger market isn't going to magically make Kawhi marketable unless he changes his personality overnight (hint: he won't). Especially if he goes to a superteam where he is fighting guys like Lebron, George, or Paul for the limelight.

He was doing just fine with his Jordan marketing (easily the biggest Spurs push since Duncan's Adidas deal) until his dumbass uncle balked at their offer. Does he really think that if Kawhi puts on a Laker jersey, they are suddenly going to open the checkbook again after he snubbed them?

You know what would make Kawhi profitable? Him becoming MVP or leading his homegrown team to the Finals. Or, you know...signing a fucking supermax contract.

Kawhi and his grifters.....I mean handlers definitely didn't think this all the way through.

[Play Boban]

neither is kiwi then since he doesn't even have one WCF win under his name as leader
That’s a fair point. And he quits on his teams tbh. You could argue about Durant too.

[acoelho1]

I still expect Paul George to leave OKC but if he stays, this could have a postive impact on trades to teams other than the Fakers. Teams could see a blueprint to signing Kawhi since PG also wanted to go to LA.

[Vic Petro]

By that metric, the only current #1s are LeBron, Durant, Curry, and Kawhitter, then? Such a small list tbh....

Can you win a ring with a guy as your best player, not have you won a ring with a guy as your best player.

Kyrie doesnt fit the bill for me. The players you mentioned do. Imo I would add Anthony Davis, Giannis, Harden. Still too early to tell on Simmons but promising start. There’s very few first bananas in the NBA but there’s a reason only 5 teams or so have a shot at a title every year.

Not trying to shit on Kyrie...I think he’s a damn good scorer but he’s a level below those other guys I mentioned. There’s not 30 guys in the league you can build a team around and win a title, if that’s what you’re intimating.

[TD 21]

He was one of the most productive college players in that season that he came out; 23.5 ppg, 47 FG%, 40% 3pt, 6 rpg, 6 apg.


I would take the risk on him if the 76'ers offer him up.

If it eventually comes to a trade and the Celtics play hardball with Brown, I probably would, too. Spurs would obviously have to do their due diligence first, but they should be able to get good intel from Brett Brown.

I'd prefer to wait until October 17th, though. That not only provides time to exhaust the reconciliation/super max extension possibility with Leonard, but preseason to gauge Fultz in game.

Think the 76ers offer will be Fultz, Covington, Heat unprotected '21 1st, Spurs option of swapping Mills-Bayless and choice of 2 minor pieces (Anderson, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Bolden, Pasecniks, 2nds). I believe the impetus of the Bridges-Smith swap, was so that the Heat pick could serve as one of the linchpins of their package instead of either Saric or Smith.


Murray could be offered to the Magic for 2 2nds. They have 4 in '19, 2 of which should be in the 30s.

Starters: Gay, Covington, Aldridge, Green, Fultz
Bench: Gasol, Parker, Anderson, White, Bertans, Walker
Deep bench: Milutinov, Forbes, 1 or 2 of 76ers "minor pieces"

Should keep Spurs in contention for playoffs short term, while simultaneously accelerating a re-build, which would probably be their goal.

[exstatic]

If it eventually comes to a trade and the Celtics play hardball with Brown, I probably would, too. Spurs would obviously have to do their due diligence first, but they should be able to get good intel from Brett Brown.

I'd prefer to wait until October 17th, though. That not only provides time to exhaust the reconciliation/super max extension possibility with Leonard, but preseason to gauge Fultz in game.

Think the 76ers offer will be Fultz, Covington, Heat unprotected '21 1st, Spurs option of swapping Mills-Bayless and choice of 2 minor pieces (Anderson, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Bolden, Pasecniks, 2nds). I believe the impetus of the Bridges-Smith swap, was so that the Heat pick could serve as one of the linchpins of their package instead of either Saric or Smith.


Murray could be offered to the Magic for 2 2nds. They have 4 in '19, 2 of which should be in the 30s.

Starters: Gay, Covington, Aldridge, Green, Fultz
Bench: Gasol, Parker, Anderson, White, Bertans, Walker
Deep bench: Milutinov, Forbes, 1 or 2 of 76ers "minor pieces"

Should keep Spurs in contention for playoffs short term, while simultaneously accelerating a re-build, which would probably be their goal.
We drafted Murray in the first round, and in his second year, he’s already All D. That’s worth WAY more than a pair of seconds.

[K...]

I'd only trade Murray after a fair competition to show offense. Should easily get a late lottery pick in a weak draft if we need to.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Murray DESPERATELY needs a jumper

[TD 21]

We drafted Murray in the first round, and in his second year, he’s already All D. That’s worth WAY more than a pair of seconds.

Only the Magic and Suns really need a PG though and the latter is trying to take a relatively significant step forward next season, which likely means a more proven option. That depresses the market.

Murray also has virtually no offensive skillset whatsoever, which is obviously the most important aspect of his position. Payton, a superior offensive player, only went for the 41st pick. He's 2 years older and was expiring, but could have been an RFA (Suns won't qualify him).

[Mr. Body]

Only the Magic and Suns really need a PG though and the latter is trying to take a relatively significant step forward next season, which likely means a more proven option. That depresses the market.

Murray also has virtually no offensive skillset whatsoever, which is obviously the most important aspect of his position. Payton, a superior offensive player, only went for the 41st pick. He's 2 years older and was expiring, but could have been an RFA (Suns won't qualify him).

Murray has far more promise at this point than Payton, who is erratic and doesn't show the same work ethic. Murray will develop a shot.

[spursreport]

Now Spurs fans want to deal Murray, who would now be a senior in college! Good grief this fanbase is getting fucking dumber and dumber each day. I pray so badly Kawhi stays a spur this year just to see all the Spurs fans who threw their retarded “pride factor” in get back on their cock sucking cum loving knees again for #2.

[K...]

Now Spurs fans want to deal Murray, who would now be a senior in college! Good grief this fanbase is getting fucking dumber and dumber each day. I pray so badly Kawhi stays a spur this year just to see all the Spurs fans who threw their retarded “pride factor” in get back on their cock sucking cum loving knees again for #2.

This assume we get fultz and fultz blows us away, or white locks down starting pg. Basically with Lonnie Walker having the presumptuous position as a full time two, white, Murray and fultz is a bit much. Murray has a high ceiling which is why his trade value is high. It's about fit for the Spurs.

[tbdog]

Only the Magic and Suns really need a PG though and the latter is trying to take a relatively significant step forward next season, which likely means a more proven option. That depresses the market.

Murray also has virtually no offensive skillset whatsoever, which is obviously the most important aspect of his position. Payton, a superior offensive player, only went for the 41st pick. He's 2 years older and was expiring, but could have been an RFA (Suns won't qualify him).

Payton is one of the worst defenders in the league. Murray is already one of the best pg defenders in the league. Do you know why Scott Skiles resigned from the Magic, despite having the best record since Van Gundy days? It was because he told the now fired GM, that he couldn't build an offense or defense with Payton in it. The GM said he had to play him because Payton was going to be their future. Skiles then resigned. Payton is much worse than Murray. Murray has offensive issues, but so did Tony Allen, and he became a steady playoff rotational player. I think Murray has a higher ceiling.

[TD 21]

Murray has far more promise at this point than Payton, who is erratic and doesn't show the same work ethic. Murray will develop a shot.

I don't know if he has "far more promise", but either way that's probably his worth on the trade market.

Fultz is far more skilled offensively and if he's acquired, they need to clear a path to at least 30 mpg immediately. They'll also want a veteran backup to play the mentor roll to him, White and Walker. They don't need ego or chemistry problems to surface because of a logjam.




Payton is one of the worst defenders in the league. Murray is already one of the best pg defenders in the league. Do you know why Scott Skiles resigned from the Magic, despite having the best record since Van Gundy days? It was because he told the now fired GM, that he couldn't build an offense or defense with Payton in it. The GM said he had to play him because Payton was going to be their future. Skiles then resigned. Payton is much worse than Murray. Murray has offensive issues, but so did Tony Allen, and he became a steady playoff rotational player. I think Murray has a higher ceiling.

Offense is far more important than defense/rebounding at PG. Anyway, it's not about who has more potential between the two. It's about the lack of a market for PGs and the need to clear a logjam.

Spurs could have their own picks (say 15-20 and 45-50) and 2 Magic 2nds (possibly both in 30s) in '19, giving them the flexibility to package them for a late 1st or combine one or both with their own 1st and move up.

[weebo]

Now Spurs fans want to deal Murray, who would now be a senior in college! Good grief this fanbase is getting fucking dumber and dumber each day. I pray so badly Kawhi stays a spur this year just to see all the Spurs fans who threw their retarded “pride factor” in get back on their cock sucking cum loving knees again for #2.

Its a sports message board, relax. :lol People come here to debate, troll, vent, etc...If everyone agreed to everything it would get boring quick. :lol

[BatManu20]

I don't know if he has "far more promise", but either way that's probably his worth on the trade market.

Fultz is far more skilled offensively and if he's acquired, they need to clear a path to at least 30 mpg immediately. They'll also want a veteran backup to play the mentor roll to him, White and Walker. They don't need ego or chemistry problems to surface because of a logjam.


Tony being re-signed confirmed.

[tbdog]

I don't want to give up Murray so quickly. Cory Joseph for example really starting becoming his own in year 3 and 4. That's where Murray is now and is already ahead of the curb there. I'm expecting big jumps over the next 2 years. And his is on a dirt cheap contract, 1.5, 2.3, 3.4QO. Compared to Fulz 8.3, 9.7, 12.2, 15.9QO.

[offset formation]

Now Spurs fans want to deal Murray, who would now be a senior in college! Good grief this fanbase is getting fucking dumber and dumber each day. I pray so badly Kawhi stays a spur this year just to see all the Spurs fans who threw their retarded “pride factor” in get back on their cock sucking cum loving knees again for #2.

I'm with you on Murray. Kawhrisis can kiss my ass, though. And there's ZERO chance I'll ever like him as a Spur again. I'll root him on if he somehow stays, but only because I'm a Spurs fan, not a playerfan.

[Spurs da champs]

I'm with you on Murray. Kawhrisis can kiss my ass, though. And there's ZERO chance I'll ever like him as a Spur again. I'll root him on if he somehow stays, but only because I'm a Spurs fan, not a playerfan.
Understandable. I've felt the same way about Parker for years.

[RD2191]

Understandable. I've felt the same way about Parker for years.

:lol

[JPB]

Now Spurs fans want to deal Murray, who would now be a senior in college! Good grief this fanbase is getting fucking dumber and dumber each day. I pray so badly Kawhi stays a spur this year just to see all the Spurs fans who threw their retarded “pride factor” in get back on their cock sucking cum loving knees again for #2.

Probably the most fascinating display of projection I've seen in while...

Tell me who is on his cum loving knees right now "so badly praying" and sucking his #2's cock ?

Tell me who is dumb and retarded not to see the irony of his own ridiculous, childish rant.

What we can all agree is that yes, you definitely have no pride, or fucking clue if you really think everyone is a weak beta fanboi ready to clap and cheer for someone who pulled the shit Kawhard pulled before saying he wants to play in LA then be ready to give him one ounce of respect.

Go back to badly praying now and please let this board to real spurs fans, dumber than dumb.

[K...]

I don't want to give up Murray so quickly. Cory Joseph for example really starting becoming his own in year 3 and 4. That's where Murray is now and is already ahead of the curb there. I'm expecting big jumps over the next 2 years. And his is on a dirt cheap contract, 1.5, 2.3, 3.4QO. Compared to Fulz 8.3, 9.7, 12.2, 15.9QO.

But the status qou is 12 million to stunt both players. So either you say no to fultz, or trade Murray. Your argument for him is why he'd get a good return which could lead to a higher upside at a position of need. The Spurs need a star, not a specialist. And Tony Allen may not be the same value in the current league

[objective]

Fultz is such a headcase right now that he's not going to be at summer league. They are straight up afraid he'll go back in his depressed funk shell if he gets on the court again.

You guys really want a guy whose own team is terrified of the permanent damage he'd do to himself with 5 exhibition games?

And has 'Uncle' issues if his own as laid out by Mrs Colangelo?

Another player who missed a whole season with a fake injury that the team had to pretend was serious to give him cover?

[exstatic]

But the status qou is 12 million to stunt both players. So either you say no to fultz, or trade Murray. Your argument for him is why he'd get a good return which could lead to a higher upside at a position of need. The Spurs need a star, not a specialist. And Tony Allen may not be the same value in the current league

We need stars and specialists.

[offset formation]

Fultz is such a headcase right now that he's not going to be at summer league. They are straight up afraid he'll go back in his depressed funk shell if he gets on the court again.

You guys really want a guy whose own team is terrified of the permanent damage he'd do to himself with 5 exhibition games?

And has 'Uncle' issues if his own as laid out by Mrs Colangelo?

Another player who missed a whole season with a fake injury that the team had to pretend was serious to give him cover?

You just convinced me I don't want anything to do with the kid. Feel sorry for him, but do not want. Hope he figures shit out though, for his sake.

[K...]

We need stars and specialists.

but we need a backup SF more? IT's all about tradeoffs.

[acoelho1]

No way I give up Murray. The guy has star potential even with his offensive limitations. I’m expecting a jump in his offensive game this year.

[Twisted_Dawg]

You just convinced me I don't want anything to do with the kid. Feel sorry for him, but do not want. Hope he figures shit out though, for his sake.

NBA trade rumors: 76ers' Markelle Fultz was available on draft night
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-76ers-markelle-fultz-was-available-on-draft-night/

Sixers' NBA draft decisions should serve as a warning for Markelle Fultz | NBC Sports Philadelphia
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/sixers-nba-draft-decisions-should-serve-warning-markelle-fultz

[exstatic]

but we need a backup SF more? IT's all about tradeoffs.

You think you’ll pull a decent SF with second rounders? You wait, and maybe ainge sees his glut of wings and dearth of affordable PGs. Smart wants 10-12M to be a backup. Kyrie may leave.

[K...]

You think you’ll pull a decent SF with second rounders? You wait, and maybe ainge sees his glut of wings and dearth of affordable PGs. Smart wants 10-12M to be a backup. Kyrie may leave.

I think Murray gets a good first rounder fwiw. I think a few teams want him and the spurs know his value as trade bait. Since we used our 18 pick,Murray is our best asset. It would be malpractice for the spurs not to know his value and everyone other than lma or walker is trade bait this season.

[BackHome]

Murray will be better yet I don't mind looking at trade value but you better be getting a proven player or a top ten draft pick to give up on him. I think the 3 new guards we have White, Walker, Murray can play together at least two of them and I think they each bring something that the teams needs.

We need to keep them as after the next season no Manu, and no Green so will be thin at guard again.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Fultz is such a headcase right now that he's not going to be at summer league. They are straight up afraid he'll go back in his depressed funk shell if he gets on the court again.

You guys really want a guy whose own team is terrified of the permanent damage he'd do to himself with 5 exhibition games?

And has 'Uncle' issues if his own as laid out by Mrs Colangelo?

Another player who missed a whole season with a fake injury that the team had to pretend was serious to give him cover?

Absolutely!

It's funny how journos pretend like Fultz can be a focal point in a trade for a star when they're desperately trying to get rid of him. They'll prob not even pick his 3rd year option, he's damaged.Their only chance is to find an idiotic FO that'd trade something, anything for him so they'd shed his salary and create a max slot.

[cutewizard]

Cant the Spurs emulate Boston??

[cutewizard]

White, Walker and Murray is the backcourt of the future!!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TxvaMMLLPM&pbjreload=10



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RQ5uSKtemw



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt2C2Vt4QbY

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdhkxhwdufY

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQlx0dczQdA

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l4tzYXJgiI

[cutewizard]

If I'm LeBron there's no way I got to LAL alone. That roster is kind of trash.


:bobo

[MoSpur02]

Last thing I heard was that at the meeting between Spurs and Kawhi (including his group) is that Kawhi actually spoke. As a matter of fact he did most of the talking. He advised them he wants out. I think the Spurs will continue to repair the relationship, but at the same time will consider trading him and will trade him, but has to be an offer that blows them away.

[Chillen]

Last thing I heard was that at the meeting between Spurs and Kawhi (including his group) is that Kawhi actually spoke. As a matter of fact he did most of the talking. He advised them he wants out. I think the Spurs will continue to repair the relationship, but at the same time will consider trading him and will trade him, but has to be an offer that blows them away.

Yeah obviously. Spurs want to keep making playoffs and have to get a good return if he gets traded. I do hope they patch things up but it might be to late.

[MoSpur02]

It might, but the Spurs don't have to rush into anything. If I am them I do absolutely everything to try to work it out and take my sweet time just like he did "rehabbing" in NY.

[Ice009]

Last thing I heard was that at the meeting between Spurs and Kawhi (including his group) is that Kawhi actually spoke. As a matter of fact he did most of the talking. He advised them he wants out. I think the Spurs will continue to repair the relationship, but at the same time will consider trading him and will trade him, but has to be an offer that blows them away.

Did Kawhi emphatically tell them he wants out? In your opinion, you think it can be repaired? Or is it just a matter of them getting an offer they like?

[MoSpur02]

Did Kawhi emphatically tell them he wants out? In your opinion, you think it can be repaired? Or is it just a matter of them getting an offer they like?

I don't know if it was emphatically, but he did tell them he wants to leave. Was very surprised to hear that he did most of the talking. That stood out to me the most to be honest. IMO I think they can repair it with a $219 million offer or something very close to that. That is my honest opinion. I think they should hold everything until free agency starts.

[Ice009]

I don't see why the Spurs don't just give him the $219M and then trade him after a year if he still wants out. They'd have a lot more leverage that way. If they are thinking about keeping him for a year and losing him for nothing, or only getting crappy offers at the trade deadline, why not sign him to the Super Max? That way, there's a much better chance of them getting a better return if they do trade him.

I know people have mentioned that he can't be traded for a year after getting the Super Max, but I wanted to clarify -When would that year start? After his current contract ends, or after the first year he's on the Super Max, or is it simply one year after he signs for it?

Also, any idea of what reason/s Kawhi said for wanting out?

[look_at_g_shred]

I don't see why the Spurs don't just give him the $219M and then trade him after a year if he still wants out. They'd have a lot more leverage that way. If they are thinking about keeping him for a year and losing him for nothing, or only getting crappy offers at the trade deadline, why not sign him to the Super Max? That way, there's a much better chance of them getting a better return if they do trade him.

I know people have mentioned that he can't be traded for a year after getting the Super Max, but I wanted to clarify -When would that year start? After his current contract ends, or after the first year he's on the Super Max, or is it simply one year after he signs for it?

Also, any idea of what reason/s Kawhi said for wanting out?
Because he could get hurt and be stuck with that contract or not the same Kawhi from two years ago.

[clambake]

you can't hand this guy a check for 219 million anymore.

how dare this motherfucker do this to the best organization in basketball. fuck him.

keep this asshole and make him play lebron minutes, ride him hard and put him away wet.

[BSfromTX]

I don't see why the Spurs don't just give him the $219M and then trade him after a year if he still wants out. They'd have a lot more leverage that way. If they are thinking about keeping him for a year and losing him for nothing, or only getting crappy offers at the trade deadline, why not sign him to the Super Max? That way, there's a much better chance of them getting a better return if they do trade him.

I know people have mentioned that he can't be traded for a year after getting the Super Max, but I wanted to clarify -When would that year start? After his current contract ends, or after the first year he's on the Super Max, or is it simply one year after he signs for it?

Also, any idea of what reason/s Kawhi said for wanting out?

Word is, also, that he wants a no trade clause so he can choose where he wants to go and spurs said no.

[Ice009]

So you don't think he's healthy enough to offer it? Because it can't be based on whether or not someone could get hurt. That's silly not to offer it on a guess. If he's 100% healthy now, they should offer it.

I wonder if Kawhi would be willing to play in OKC with Russell Westbrook. I wouldn't mind trading for Paul George and then trying to sign Lebron.

[exstatic]

Word is, also, that he wants a no trade clause so he can choose where he wants to go and spurs said no.

Steph Curry didn't get one when he was a FA last summer. GS flat refused. Arrogant of The Group to think Kawhi is entitled to one.

[exstatic]

So you don't think he's healthy enough to offer it? Because it can't be based on whether or not someone could get hurt. That's silly not to offer it on a guess. If he's 100% healthy now, they should offer it.

I wonder if Kawhi would be willing to play in OKC with Russell Westbrook. I wouldn't mind trading for Paul George and then trying to sign Lebron.

Sure it can. Even if insurance covers the salary in the event of a catastrophic injury, you're stuck with a HUGE amount of dead money on the cap until it expires. The final year's cap figure would be $49M. What if cord cutting leads to the next TV deal being less, and the cap dropping to 90M? That's only about an 18M drop, but would leave you with only 41M to put together an entire roster.

[ernest787]

The no trade clause would be the deal breaker for me. I don't mind signing him to the Super Max b/c that takes away all leverage his camp has. But you cannot give him the no trade clause.

[Ice009]

Word is, also, that he wants a no trade clause so he can choose where he wants to go and spurs said no.

Do you know for sure? If so, that's going just a little bit too far IMO. Kawhi and his group are being clowns. If you're lucky enough to get the Super Max, especially after sitting out a year, demanding a no trade clause on top of that is freaking ridiculous.

[Extra Stout]

Word is, also, that he wants a no trade clause so he can choose where he wants to go and spurs said no.
So basically he’s willing to trade 12 months of half-assing it in San Antonio for the extra $120 million, so the Spurs can get fleeced by the Lakers in 2019 instead of 2018.

And good to know he did most of the talking. No more of this excuse — “Poor Kawhi, his uncle is manipulating him.” This piece of shit knows exactly what he is doing. Fuck him with the Pear of Anguish. Frankly, I resent that he’ll end up in a good situation in Boston or Philadelphia, because he deserves to be exiled to Atlanta or Charlotte or some shit.

[RD2191]

So basically he’s willing to trade 12 months of half-assing it in San Antonio for the extra $120 million, so the Spurs can get fleeced by the Lakers in 2019 instead of 2018.

And good to know he did most of the talking. No more of this excuse — “Poor Kawhi, his uncle is manipulating him.” This piece of shit knows exactly what he is doing. Fuck him with the Pear of Anguish. Frankly, I resent that he’ll end up in a good situation in Boston or Philadelphia, because he deserves to be exiled to Atlanta or Charlotte or some shit.

It's just a rumor, chill the fuck out.

[clambake]

keep him and burn him up with minutes. 48 a night. don't offer a contract.

[tbdog]

Keep in mind, during Dwightmare, Dwight asked for a trade during training camp and magic didn't trade him. Halfway through the year, Dwight signed the opt in for the following year. Dwight was traded that offseason. So it's still possible Leonard can sign the opt in, in advance.

[cd98]

It might, but the Spurs don't have to rush into anything. If I am them I do absolutely everything to try to work it out and take my sweet time just like he did "rehabbing" in NY.

Yes, they can get that Laker deal anytime through February of next year, so no need to jump into something when circumstances may change to your favor.

[YGWHI]

I could see them fighting to end guaranteed contracts after this ordeal or doing some other radical change. Back in the day is much easier to keep stars in smaller markets. You had guys like Miller,Malone, all pretty much play their whole entire career in one market. As long as the star player got paid they would stay in one place. Now this era it's nearly impossible to keep your superstar even if you offer them the most money.

Not really. In the last three seasons, money was the reason why the teams lost their franchise players. Spurs, Bulls and Kings refused to give supermax deals and lost Kawhi, Jimmy Butler and Cousins.

Before, Presti lost Harden for the same reason, too. While Jazz refused to max and give an extension to Hayward, then they matched offer as RFA...which media said it was the begining of Hayward's displeasure in Utah.

Only LMA and KD decisions weren't about money when they left their teams.

[tbdog]

Sure it can. Even if insurance covers the salary in the event of a catastrophic injury, you're stuck with a HUGE amount of dead money on the cap until it expires. The final year's cap figure would be $49M. What if cord cutting leads to the next TV deal being less, and the cap dropping to 90M? That's only about an 18M drop, but would leave you with only 41M to put together an entire roster.

Spurs can get injury consideration a year after Leonard's last game played. Unsure what's required to do the Bosh thing where he is still getting paid but has no impact on the cap.

[Extra Stout]

It's just a rumor, chill the fuck out.
I’m impressed at your ability to post without any misspelled words while Kawhi’s cock is in your mouth. I suppose it’s because you’ve had so much practice.

[YGWHI]

I don't know if someone has said it before but apalisoc=Uncle Dennis.
Nah...He doesn't know a shit about Kawhi's and his family but makes 100 threads like he knows something...He's just a bad troll.

[RD2191]

I’m impressed at your ability to post without any misspelled words while Kawhi’s cock is in your mouth. I suppose it’s because you’ve had so much practice.

Post a legit link claiming Kawhi wants a no trade clause. Talking gossip like a high school bitch. Gtfo with your pussy ass. Fukin clown. Also go talk to coachmac about your queer fantasies. Keep me out of them.

[exstatic]

Keep in mind, during Dwightmare, Dwight asked for a trade during training camp and magic didn't trade him. Halfway through the year, Dwight signed the opt in for the following year. Dwight was traded that offseason. So it's still possible Leonard can sign the opt in, in advance.

Not the greatest analogy. I think they threatened to trade him to an undesirable location, and he only opted in to go to the Lakers, which is where he wanted to go anyway.

[clambake]

I’m impressed at your ability to post without any misspelled words while Kawhi’s cock is in your mouth. I suppose it’s because you’ve had so much practice.
fuck this asshole. mark aguire bullshit. burn him up next year. you're gonna give this guy everything he wants?

[exstatic]

Spurs can get injury consideration a year after Leonard's last game played. Unsure what's required to do the Bosh thing where he is still getting paid but has no impact on the cap.

If Bosh had been a dick, he could have put all of that money back on Miami's cap by trying a comeback and playing a certain number of games. He didn't, but I can totally see Kawhi and The Group doing something like that. The only way the money stays off the cap is if he medically retires.

[clambake]

he "quietly" fucked you all year long.

think about that

[exstatic]

Not really. In the last three seasons, money was the reason why the teams lost their franchise players. Spurs, Bulls and Kings refused to give supermax deals and lost Kawhi, Jimmy Butler and Cousins.

Before, Presti lost Harden for the same reason, too. While Jazz refused to max and give an extension to Hayward, then they matched offer as RFA...which media said it was the begining of Hayward's displeasure in Utah.

Only LMA and KD decisions weren't about money when they left their teams.

Harden wasn't a Supermax decision. He was traded, LITERALLY, over just a few million dollars over the life of the potential contract. If that were the case in SA, I'd be leading the charge against SSE headquarters. OKC's owner mandated that they never pay the tax, they kept Ibaka, and let Harden slip away. Just overall bad management and decision making. They then paid the tax for B level players PG and Melo. WTF?

[YGWHI]

You're a solid poster with solid points...not denying that. But this Kawhi thing has clouded your judgment.

It might help to step back and view it from a different angle.

Source: Someone that used to be on your side.

Don't worry, when the Spurs trade Kawhi, we won't talk more about him.

Also, I love our future young team with Murray/White-Walker...If true that we would get some talented guys from Boston, Philly or Charlotte -I wouldn't forget MJ saying that he only would trade Kemba for Kawhi- could be a great season.

[Extra Stout]

I swear, YGWHI is such a suspicious handle. I seriously doubt someone from San Antonio would pick it. It screams Southern California. It also sounds like a handle somebody who followed Kawhi’s career before he was drafted would select. All I can say for certain, though, is that YGWHI is NOT Bryan Colangelo’s wife.

[YGWHI]

Harden wasn't a Supermax decision. He was traded, LITERALLY, over just a few million dollars over the life of the potential contract. If that were the case in SA, I'd be leading the charge against SSE headquarters. OKC's owner mandated that they never pay the tax, they kept Ibaka, and let Harden slip away. Just overall bad management and decision making. They then paid the tax for B level players PG and Melo. WTF?

I never said Harden was a supermax decision, I said Presti lost him for being cheap. Like you said, they didn't want to pay tax and kept Ibaka.

That's my point against daslicer's post, most players gets traded or left their teams for money reasons.

[YGWHI]

All I can say for certain, though, is that YGWHI is NOT Bryan Colangelo’s wife.
Not a KD's fake account either...We can agree on this :lol

[look_at_g_shred]

So say one of PG/Lebron goes to the lakers next month, does that give more confidence in teams trading for Kawhi or does it stay the same?

[exstatic]

I never said Harden was a supermax decision, I said Presti lost him for being cheap. Like you said, they didn't want to pay tax and kept Ibaka.

That's my point against daslicer's post, most players gets traded or left their teams for money reasons.

Right, but you lumped his case in with the others. To sign a player or not sign them to a SM deal is a legitimate financial concern for some franchises. Harden's case was just sheer stupidity by Clay Bennett. I don't see all financial decisions as being the same, and wouldn't group Harden with the others, under any circumstance.

[YGWHI]

Right, but you lumped his case in with the others. To sign a player or not sign them to a SM deal is a legitimate financial concern for some franchises. Harden's case was just sheer stupidity by Clay Bennett. I don't see all financial decisions as being the same, and wouldn't group Harden with the others, under any circumstance.
No one denies it. I've said before that small market franchises like the Spurs could have issues with those deals, but IMO it's still a money reason.

[tbdog]

Harden wasn't a Supermax decision. He was traded, LITERALLY, over just a few million dollars over the life of the potential contract. If that were the case in SA, I'd be leading the charge against SSE headquarters. OKC's owner mandated that they never pay the tax, they kept Ibaka, and let Harden slip away. Just overall bad management and decision making. They then paid the tax for B level players PG and Melo. WTF?

I thought they increased their offer but gave Harden a few hours to sign. He didn't, so they traded him.

[tbdog]

Pop and co have until a date in October to sort things out before the super max is expired. Nothing will happen for a while.

[exstatic]

I thought they increased their offer but gave Harden a few hours to sign. He didn't, so they traded him.

Nope. They drew a line in the sand, and THEN gave him a few hours. Stupid.

[exstatic]

Pop and co have until a date in October to sort things out before the super max is expired. Nothing will happen for a while.

At this point, with his health a question mark, and his group wanting a NT clause on the SuperMax so they can control where they go, I don't want the Spurs to offer it. You'd see the same shit fake injury as last year if they don't get their NT clause, in an attempt to force a trade to a team of their choice. I don't see a path to a resolution where Kawhi stays here and is happy or at least content. He wants out, so there's no reason to cut him a big check as that happens. If he wants LA so badly, he can go there for <= $149M over 4 years, whatever they manage to clear.

[JPB]

I don't see why the Spurs don't just give him the $219M and then trade him after a year if he still wants out. They'd have a lot more leverage that way. If they are thinking about keeping him for a year and losing him for nothing, or only getting crappy offers at the trade deadline, why not sign him to the Super Max? That way, there's a much better chance of them getting a better return if they do trade him.

I know people have mentioned that he can't be traded for a year after getting the Super Max, but I wanted to clarify -When would that year start? After his current contract ends, or after the first year he's on the Super Max, or is it simply one year after he signs for it?

Also, any idea of what reason/s Kawhi said for wanting out?


Your scenario suggests your paying one year of crazy money to a disgruntled player who sit out a whole year (for whatever reason you wanna pick) and said he wants to go to LA.

What kind of motivation if he really wants out ?
What kind of distraction for teammates, team, media...
how will he handle eventual injuries not to risk anything considering how he did this year ?

If he gets injured, or for some other reasons his value decreases and you ultimately can't trade him, while relationship is really bad...

I'm not sure we will see a lot of those SM contracts in the future.

[K...]

Your scenario suggests your paying one year of crazy money to a disgruntled player who sit out a whole year (for whatever reason you wanna pick) and said he wants to go to LA.

What kind of motivation if he really wants out ?
What kind of distraction for teammates, team, media...
how will he handle eventual injuries not to risk anything considering how he did this year ?

If he gets injured, or for some other reasons his value decreases and you ultimately can't trade him, while relationship is really bad...

I'm not sure we will see a lot of those SM contracts in the future.

It gets a better contract to trade to the Celtics (, for example). Big difference between trading now and threatening kathi with just a lower check amount if he walks, without any recompense vs a scenario where money is the same, the team has the right to say no , and they get back something from the Lakers is huge.

[exstatic]

It gets a better contract to trade to the Celtics (, for example). Big difference between trading now and threatening kathi with just a lower check amount if he walks, without any recompense vs a scenario where money is the same, the team has the right to say no , and they get back something from the Lakers is huge.

They're not trading with the Lakers. You need to dump that idea, now. Their position is that they'll field offers from 28 other teams and consider them. They basically hung up on Magic.

[Extra Stout]

No one denies it. I've said before that small market franchises like the Spurs could have issues with those deals, but IMO it's still a money reason.
I legitimately could see a team thinking, “The supermax is 34% more than any other team can offer... let’s float something around 86% of the supermax. That’s still 15% more than what anybody else can do.”
But the player feels insulted and disrespected, and at that point would rather go elsewhere just on principle.

It’s no excuse for letting emotions take over and failing to honor one’s current contract, but I could see a player thinking, “You talk like we’re family here, but at the end of the day it’s just business.” Which, sincere personal relationships aside, is true and always was.

[Mugen]

If the Spurs really balked at offering a supermax before all this injury crap then I absolutely support Kawhi in wanting out. Not the crap he's pulled since if that was really the case but for sure wanting out.

After the absolute bullshit contracts they gave out to Pau, Patty, and Porky previously, cheaping out on Leonard would have been an absolute slap in the face tbh.

[K...]

They're not trading with the Lakers. You need to dump that idea, now. Their position is that they'll field offers from 28 other teams and consider them. They basically hung up on Magic.

I'm talking about the Celtics calling his bluff to play for a championship level team, and then trading him to LA if he refuses, pouts, etc.

They'd lose brown but gain Ingram,. That's a tolerable gamble for even a tight ass like ainge.

[RD2191]

If the Spurs really balked at offering a supermax before all this injury crap then I absolutely support Kawhi in wanting out. Not the crap he's pulled since if that was really the case but for sure wanting out.

After the absolute bullshit contracts they gave out to Pau, Patty, and Porky previously, cheaping out on Leonard would have been an absolute slap in the face tbh.

:tu tbh

[exstatic]

I'm talking about the Celtics calling his bluff to play for a championship level team, and then trading him to LA if he refuses, pouts, etc.

They'd lose brown but gain Ingram,. That's a tolerable gamble for even a tight ass like ainge.

...and gift Kawhi to their hated rival, making their own path to a championship that much harder. I don't see it.

[Extra Stout]

If the Spurs really balked at offering a supermax before all this injury crap then I absolutely support Kawhi in wanting out. Not the crap he's pulled since if that was really the case but for sure wanting out.

After the absolute bullshit contracts they gave out to Pau, Patty, and Porky previously, cheaping out on Leonard would have been an absolute slap in the face tbh.
I agree. There’s a principle — the supermax was put in there by ownership so teams could keep their superstar free agents. If owners don’t want to offer it, then they shouldn’t be surprised when they lose their superstar free agents.

If Kawhi hadn’t pulled the injury crap, he and the Spurs would have worked out a deal where he went to Boston or Philadelphia and got an extension there, which is probably what will happen anyway.

Maybe he figured that once he lost trust, he might as well take a gander at that LA caper. It’s not right, though. At day’s end you have to be true to yourself, and that means preserving your own integrity, not chasing what feels good.

[exstatic]

If the Spurs really balked at offering a supermax before all this injury crap then I absolutely support Kawhi in wanting out. Not the crap he's pulled since if that was really the case but for sure wanting out.

After the absolute bullshit contracts they gave out to Pau, Patty, and Porky previously, cheaping out on Leonard would have been an absolute slap in the face tbh.

Those deals that you're bitching about are the way that the Spurs take care of their own. They'll get you on the flipside what they cannot pay you up front. It's always been that way and will always be that way, and they would have taken care of Kawhi the same way, because that's who they are.

Those deals also have nothing to do with offering, not offering, or offering a lesser version of the SuperMax. In the five full seasons before his hold out last year, he averaged ~ 67 games played. That's a bit over 81%, and much less than you want from your franchise cornerstone. He's a china doll. If they offered him 85% of the SM, he should have taken it and been happy. That's about the percentage of games he'll play.

[rjv]

this thread may break the record for the number of times the word "if" was used.

[rastaspur]

this thread may break the record for the number of times the word "if" was used.

What happens if it does?

[Mugen]

Those deals that you're bitching about are the way that the Spurs take care of their own. They'll get you on the flipside what they cannot pay you up front. It's always been that way and will always be that way, and they would have taken care of Kawhi the same way, because that's who they are.

Those deals also have nothing to do with offering, not offering, or offering a lesser version of the SuperMax. In the five full seasons before his hold out last year, he averaged ~ 67 games played. That's a bit over 81%, and much less than you want from your franchise cornerstone. He's a china doll. If they offered him 85% of the SM, he should have taken it and been happy. That's about the percentage of games he'll play.

:lol fuck that, offering the supermax shouldnt have even been in doubt if we're talking the summer of 2017. I really hope the front office wasn't stupid enough to ask a guy entering his prime to take a paycut in today's NBA.

[rjv]

:bobo
What happens if it does?

[YGWHI]

I legitimately could see a team thinking, “The supermax is 34% more than any other team can offer... let’s float something around 86% of the supermax. That’s still 15% more than what anybody else can do.”
But the player feels insulted and disrespected, and at that point would rather go elsewhere just on principle.

It’s no excuse for letting emotions take over and failing to honor one’s current contract, but I could see a player thinking, “You talk like we’re family here, but at the end of the day it’s just business.” Which, sincere personal relationships aside, is true and always was.

Franchise players won't accept less than the supermax in next seasons, that's a fact.

More teams are reluctant to give the supermax deals and more players think it's their right to have it.

When the supermax is denied, a trade is imminent.

That happened with Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, Demarcus Cousins... There is no way that the teams could keep their players after they denied the supermax.

I guess we will see this a lot in next seasons, the league tried to give teams a tool to retain their franchise players but now, it has become the problem for small teams not the solution.

Also, players aren't that stupid, there are teams like Celtics or GSW that have 2 or 3 max contracts without issues. Boston has Kyrie and Hayward in max contracts, the latter means 30% of their salary cap when supermax is 35%...Only 5% of difference. That could makes a player think some owners are cheaper than others.

[Mr. Body]

Not really. In the last three seasons, money was the reason why the teams lost their franchise players. Spurs, Bulls and Kings refused to give supermax deals and lost Kawhi, Jimmy Butler and Cousins.

Before, Presti lost Harden for the same reason, too. While Jazz refused to max and give an extension to Hayward, then they matched offer as RFA...which media said it was the begining of Hayward's displeasure in Utah.

Only LMA and KD decisions weren't about money when they left their teams.

Losing Butler and Cousins due to money was the right call. They're not worth it. Losing Harden and Kawhi (if healthy and not a headcase) due to money is not the right call.

[Ice009]

:lol fuck that, offering the supermax shouldnt have even been in doubt if we're talking the summer of 2017. I really hope the front office wasn't stupid enough to ask a guy entering his prime to take a paycut in today's NBA.

If they did that before all this shit broke out. It's mostly on them, but if that is correct, Kawhi shouldn't have followed that up by acting the way he has since.

[YGWHI]

Those deals also have nothing to do with offering, not offering, or offering a lesser version of the SuperMax. In the five full seasons before his hold out last year, he averaged ~ 67 games played. That's a bit over 81%, and much less than you want from your franchise cornerstone. He's a china doll. If they offered him 85% of the SM, he should have taken it and been happy. That's about the percentage of games he'll play.

Like the Pels would use this some shit with AD...It's not a good idea to try to low ball your franchise player.

"Well...we'll pay you just the % of games that you..."

If that's the issue with an injury-player prone, you offer the supermax with some injury-clause "ala Embiid" but don't deny the deal.

[Mr. Body]

...and gift Kawhi to their hated rival, making their own path to a championship that much harder. I don't see it.

I suspect the Spurs know Magic and the Lakers colluded and aren't standing for it. The principle is bigger than basketball. You don't let a player sit on his ass to force a trade to a favored team. No way.

[Mr. Body]

Not really. In the last three seasons, money was the reason why the teams lost their franchise players. Spurs, Bulls and Kings refused to give supermax deals and lost Kawhi, Jimmy Butler and Cousins.

Before, Presti lost Harden for the same reason, too. While Jazz refused to max and give an extension to Hayward, then they matched offer as RFA...which media said it was the begining of Hayward's displeasure in Utah.

Only LMA and KD decisions weren't about money when they left their teams.

Losing Butler and Cousins due to money was the right call. They're not worth it. Losing Harden and Kawhi (if healthy and not a headcase) due to money is not the right call.

[Mugen]

Cheaping out on Kawhi is a pretty good first step to getting the Sonics back at least :lol

[BSfromTX]

Sure it can. Even if insurance covers the salary in the event of a catastrophic injury, you're stuck with a HUGE amount of dead money on the cap until it expires. The final year's cap figure would be $49M. What if cord cutting leads to the next TV deal being less, and the cap dropping to 90M? That's only about an 18M drop, but would leave you with only 41M to put together an entire roster.


Oh oh so true. It boggles my mind to see how many in here don’t even think twice about giving Kawhi the Supermax. Not that he’s not worth it, but it puts such a huge restriction on who you can add in the future.

[K...]

What's being cheap about asking a traitor to redeem himself? By all accounts the supermax is on the table, if kathi kisses the ring. He won't do it now, v the Spurs are waiting on the Lakers to make a move before applying more pressure. Fuck the cancer honestly.

[acoelho1]

I can't figure if Kawhi's camp is just trying get leverage on the supermax. They probably want a no trade clause too. I'm done trying to figure it out and I still maintain that we should continue to try to retain him even if he walks next summer.

[Extra Stout]

Oh oh so true. It boggles my mind to see how many in here don’t even think twice about giving Kawhi the Supermax. Not that he’s not worth it, but it puts such a huge restriction on who you can add in the future.
It wasn’t unreasonable for him to expect it when they started talking about it last year. Whether the Spurs want to offer it or not is up to them. The reality, though, is that they either offer the supermax or trade the player, and if they trade they’ll never get close to equal return.

It’s not the players’ problem that the owners put a clause in the CBA that backfired on small-market teams.

It’s still nowhere near an excuse for Kawhi’s behavior, but the Spurs aren’t entitled to a discount.

[Mugen]

It’s not unreasonable for him to expect it. Whether the Spurs want to offer it or not is up to them. The reality, though, is that they either offer the supermax or trade the player, and if they trade they’ll never get close to equal return.

It’s not the players’ problem that the owners put a clause in the CBA that backfired on small-market teams.

It’s still nowhere near an excuse for Kawhi’s behavior, but the Spurs aren’t entitled to a discount.

Bingo. Well put.

[exstatic]

Like the Pels would use this some shit with AD...It's not a good idea to try to low ball your franchise player.

"Well...we'll pay you just the % of games that you..."

If that's the issue with an injury-player prone, you offer the supermax with some injury-clause "ala Embiid" but don't deny the deal.

You think that would go down any easier with his group? I don't.

[offset formation]

If the Spurs really balked at offering a supermax before all this injury crap then I absolutely support Kawhi in wanting out. Not the crap he's pulled since if that was really the case but for sure wanting out.

After the absolute bullshit contracts they gave out to Pau, Patty, and Porky previously, cheaping out on Leonard would have been an absolute slap in the face tbh.

I haven't seen one legitimate sauce state he was denied a SM offer at all. Furthermore, it makes no sense whatsoever that PATFO would tell him that going into this past season. Talk about expecting a sour mood and faking an injury.

There is no way that transpired. Now...it certainly might have been withheld since then after the fake injury nonsense. And deservedly so. Fuck that fool.

[exstatic]

I haven't seen one legitimate sauce state he was denied a SM offer at all. Furthermore, it makes no sense whatsoever that PATFO would tell him that going into this past season. Talk about expecting a sour mood and faking an injury.

There is no way that transpired. Now...it certainly might have been withheld since then after the fake injury nonsense. And deservedly so. Fuck that fool.

Yeah, a lot of conjecture flying around these parts, recently.

[BackHome]

If this was Timmy or David it’s a non issue both would have gotten Super Max no issues. But K-Y had two years under contract and a third year option on his contract. So fucking play out your two years and show everyone u deserve that big ass comtract. Don’t come crying two years to me before your contract end to deman Super Max deal

[Extra Stout]

I think I can see Kawhi’s side now: if I’m not going to be here long-term, what’s the point of waiting things out? I can see why he’d be eager to move on right away.

I don’t know what conversations happened a year ago, but there was a right way for Kawhi to handle it, and that right way would have included honoring his current contract.

[exstatic]

Judging by their actions, and Kawhi's rumored pretty straightforward and clear request for a trade in the meeting, they don't seem to even care about salvaging the SM, other than as a parting gift on the way out of town. They won't even sign it without a NT clause, which I would absolutely NOT give them after last year.

[offset formation]

You think that would go down any easier with his group? I don't.

Of course not. All you have to do for proof of that is listen to Amin. He stated that if there was not an unconditional SM offer from the Spurs, you walk, just out of sheer disrespect.

Lol. How many teams offer a SM deal after this season's bullshit, without requiring that player to requalify with his play this season?

One? Two? Maybe three?

[exstatic]

I think I can see Kawhi’s side now: if I’m not going to be here long-term, what’s the point of waiting things out? I can see why he’d be eager to move on right away.

I don’t know what conversations happened a year ago, but there was a right way for Kawhi to handle it, and that right way would have included honoring his current contract.

Handled right, that could have happened. It wasn't. A year ago, the Lakers had TONS of assets. Now, their cupboard is pretty bare.

[Extra Stout]

I haven't seen one legitimate sauce state he was denied a SM offer at all. Furthermore, it makes no sense whatsoever that PATFO would tell him that going into this past season. Talk about expecting a sour mood and faking an injury.

There is no way that transpired. Now...it certainly might have been withheld since then after the fake injury nonsense. And deservedly so. Fuck that fool.
There were some rumblings about the Spurs asking him to take less so they could get more pieces, like what Tim did. But it’s hypothetical, I admit. It does make more sense than a scenario where the Spurs were primed to offer him $219 million, and then all of a sudden he starts acting disgruntled for no plausible reason.

[RD2191]

Of course not. All you have to do for proof of that is listen to Amin. He stated that if there was not an unconditional SM offer from the Spurs, you walk, just out of sheer disrespect.

Lol. How many teams offer a SM deal after this season's bullshit, without requiring that player to requalify with his play this season?

One? Two? Maybe three?

Stopped reading at Amin

[DPG21920]

It wasn’t unreasonable for him to expect it when they started talking about it last year. Whether the Spurs want to offer it or not is up to them. The reality, though, is that they either offer the supermax or trade the player, and if they trade they’ll never get close to equal return.

It’s not the players’ problem that the owners put a clause in the CBA that backfired on small-market teams.

It’s still nowhere near an excuse for Kawhi’s behavior, but the Spurs aren’t entitled to a discount.

Why do people keep using the term discount? Paying him more than anyone else can pay him isnt a discount.

[Baam]

I just wonder who could come out of nowhere and beat the Sixers offer.

Wouldn't be surprised if they're just finalizing the details (picks/protections).

Also I've been thinking they have 2 players who know Fultz in SA : Murray who should have been his teammate in Washington and Kelsey Plum. So I think he would be super confortable here.

The issue is that this is almost too obvious at this point. Maybe they hate Fultz and are just using Philly as leverage.

[r0drig0lac]

If the Spurs really balked at offering a supermax before all this injury crap then I absolutely support Kawhi in wanting out. Not the crap he's pulled since if that was really the case but for sure wanting out.

After the absolute bullshit contracts they gave out to Pau, Patty, and Porky previously, cheaping out on Leonard would have been an absolute slap in the face tbh.

perfect

[SPURt]

I just wonder who could come out of nowhere and beat the Sixers offer.

Wouldn't be surprised if they're just finalizing the details (picks/protections).

Also I've been thinking they have 2 players who know Fultz in SA : Murray who should have been his teammate in Washington and Kelsey Plum. So I think he would be super confortable here.

The issue is that this is almost too obvious at this point. Maybe they hate Fultz and are just using Philly as leverage.

Sorry to break the bad news to you but Plum and the Stars relocated to Las Vegas and are called the Aces.

[coachmac87]

Franchise players won't accept less than the supermax in next seasons, that's a fact.

More teams are reluctant to give the supermax deals and more players think it's their right to have it.

When the supermax is denied, a trade is imminent.

That happened with Kawhi, Jimmy Butler, Demarcus Cousins... There is no way that the teams could keep their players after they denied the supermax.

I guess we will see this a lot in next seasons, the league tried to give teams a tool to retain their franchise players but now, it has become the problem for small teams not the solution.

Also, players aren't that stupid, there are teams like Celtics or GSW that have 2 or 3 max contracts without issues. Boston has Kyrie and Hayward in max contracts, the latter means 30% of their salary cap when supermax is 35%...Only 5% of difference. That could makes a player think some owners are cheaper than others.



You’re making assumptions. You don’t know that they didn’t offer it....and it hasn’t been reported that’s the reason Kawhi wants out. That’s the thing you still don’t understand...his camp is using the “misdiagnosis” as his calling card out of SA. Like people would understand his point of view if it was known and backed by something. If Kawhi was denied the supermax that’s an easy sell for his way out....

But it still starts and ends with the injury diagnosis..everything is tied to it. Yet we still don’t legitimately know the truth..not even you. Yet you’ll take a bullet for Kawhi..

[tholdren]

Jefferson was a better spur than kawhi

[cool cat]

Sorry to break the bad news to you but Plum and the Stars relocated to Las Vegas and are called the Aces.

Yeah and Plum sucks, laying goose eggs and only averaging 6ppg.

[acoelho1]

One thing I'm absolutely 1000% positive about is the decision whether it would be financially feasible to give Kawhi the supermax was decided prior to this year. Teams run like corporations so there would be heavy financially analysis on upcoming years expenditures so it's safe to assume they had already decided to give Kawhi the supermax. Now, is it possible they let it be known to Kawhi's camp prior to the year that they wanted him to take less, possibly but I doubt it. In my opinion, there are only 8 players that truly deserve the supermax and they are LeBron, Harden, Curry, Davis, Durant, Westbrook, Antetokounmpo & Leonard. However, I don't believe this is a money issue. In one of the Roman Shelburne articles there was a reference from a friend of RC that the organization was concerned that Kawhi's camp was purposely trying to sour the relationship between the parties. This doesn't excuse Pop's decision to call out the group in the media or for the Spurs not listing Kawhi as injuried but it could explain the frustration from the organization pov. Nevertheless, we should let some dominoes fall in free agency to see what to do next. I would be perfectly fine with the media circus next year and perhaps Pop can convince Kawhi to reconsider.

[look_at_g_shred]

I just wonder who could come out of nowhere and beat the Sixers offer.

Wouldn't be surprised if they're just finalizing the details (picks/protections).

Also I've been thinking they have 2 players who know Fultz in SA : Murray who should have been his teammate in Washington and Kelsey Plum. So I think he would be super confortable here.

The issue is that this is almost too obvious at this point. Maybe they hate Fultz and are just using Philly as leverage.
I believe they are waiting on Bron's decision. If he chooses the lakers, that means there is a better chance of Kawhi re-signing elsewhere, and therefore will give teams more confidence on offering a better package.

[Extra Stout]

Why do people keep using the term discount? Paying him more than anyone else can pay him isnt a discount.
If I’m Kawhi, in August 2017 or thereabouts, with the year I’ve just had, as a consensus top 3 player in the league, my position would be $219 million, trade me, or I walk in 2019. Anything less than $219 million is a discount. The reason would be a combination of my own business interests, and solidarity with other NBA elite players to hold owners accountable for the DPE clause they wanted in the CBA.

I wouldn’t malinger though. Having signed a contract, I would honor that contract and play my best. If I just couldn’t bear to spend another day in SA, I’d ask for a buyout.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I don't see why the Spurs don't just give him the $219M

A bit of perspective - $219 mil is the value of the combined contracts of Patty Mills, Pau Gasol, Chandler Parsons, Luol Deng, Timofey Mosgov and Ryan Anderson. All of them.

[DPG21920]

If I’m Kawhi, in August 2017 or thereabouts, with the year I’ve just had, as a consensus top 3 player in the league, my position would be $219 million, trade me, or I walk in 2019. Anything less than $219 million is a discount. The reason would be a combination of my own business interests, and solidarity with other NBA elite players to hold owners accountable for the DPE clause they wanted in the CBA.

I wouldn’t malinger though. Having signed a contract, I would honor that contract and play my best. If I just couldn’t bear to spend another day in SA, I’d ask for a buyout.

A discount implies taking less. The only discount here would be Kawhi being traded or walking in free agency to play for another teams max. SA offering even $1 more is not a discount.

[Dex]

I have no doubt that the Spurs would have offered the supermax if Kawhi had even had a year as successful as 2016-2017. The matter of the fact is that simply wasn't the case.

He played only 9 games where he frankly looked average, missed the rest of the season with a highly nebulous injury that had no concrete timetable, and pretty much shut out Pop, his teammates, and the organization.

There isn't a team in the league that would hand out a supermax after that without at least some kind of stipulations (confirming health, commitment to the team, etc.)

[objective]

A bit of perspective - $219 mil is the value of the combined contracts of Patty Mills, Pau Gasol, Chandler Parsons, Luol Deng, Timofey Mosgov and Ryan Anderson. All of them.

But it would be five seasons. What's the seasons for those guys? 3 for Mills, 1 for Pau, (fully guaranteed) and 2 left for the rest of them.

Not the cleanest comparison

[spurs10]

I have no doubt that the Spurs would have offered the supermax if Kawhi had even had a year as successful as 2016-2017. The matter of the fact is that simply wasn't the case.

He played only 9 games where he frankly looked average, missed the rest of the season with a highly nebulous injury that had no concrete timetable, and pretty much shut out Pop, his teammates, and the organization.

There isn't a team in the league that would hand out a supermax after that without at least some kind of stipulations (confirming health, commitment to the team, etc.) yes I'm sure he will need a clean bill of health and feel the commitment is there. The Spurs won't offer that kind of money with a player option. Maybe in the last year.

[MoSpur02]

According to Gasol, relationship between Spurs and Kawhi can't be fixed.

http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/pau-gasol-doesnt-think-the-situation-with-kawhi-leonard-can-be-fixed

[K...]

According to Gasol, relationship between Spurs and Kawhi can't be fixed.

http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/pau-gasol-doesnt-think-the-situation-with-kawhi-leonard-can-be-fixed

I don't think gasol knows anything and this isn't a planned leak (it's Jeff Garcia). It may be a prelude to a trade or he's here harassing a player for comment

[tholdren]

I don't think gasol knows anything and this isn't a planned leak (it's Jeff Garcia). It may be a prelude to a trade or he's here harassing a player for comment

Hes saying what he should have said in december

[baseline bum]

According to Gasol, relationship between Spurs and Kawhi can't be fixed.

http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/pau-gasol-doesnt-think-the-situation-with-kawhi-leonard-can-be-fixed

Good, I was wondering what that washed up pos thought.

[SPURt]

Good, I was wondering what that washed up pos thought.
:lol

[ducks]

leonard PROVE HIM WRONG like trump proved media wrong!

[cool cat]

leonard PROVE HIM WRONG like trump proved media wrong!

I'm not going to lie, if the guy gets traded it would be amazing if he holds a press conference and just says "Bye" and puts on a MAGA hat and walks away.

[CitizenDwayne]

leonard PROVE HIM WRONG like trump proved media wrong!
:lol

[Killakobe81]

Good, I was wondering what that washed up pos thought.

Bum you been on fire lately don't agree with all your takes but you been on one since KL story dropped.

[RD2191]

Good, I was wondering what that washed up pos thought.

:lol

[monkeypunk]

leonard PROVE HIM WRONG like trump proved media wrong!

Real question -

When your idol gets put in the federal pen for the rest of his life and starts taking it up up the ass for smokes, are you going to take it in the ass in solidarity?

Even better, if he gets hung for treason, will you jump off a building to show them libtards?

Half of ST would pay cash money to see that AND maybe you can finally get that doublewide paid off so Uncle Dad doesn't have to sell your sister for meth any more!

[dbestpro]

Real question -

When your idol gets put in the federal pen for the rest of his life and starts taking it up up the ass for smokes, are you going to take it in the ass in solidarity?

Even better, if he gets hung for treason, will you jump off a building to show them libtards?

Half of ST would pay cash money to see that AND maybe you can finally get that doublewide paid off so Uncle Dad doesn't have to sell your sister for meth any more!

Politics and sports don't mix. Never have, never will.

[cd98]

According to Gasol, relationship between Spurs and Kawhi can't be fixed.

http://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/pau-gasol-doesnt-think-the-situation-with-kawhi-leonard-can-be-fixed

Writing has been on the wall. Most GMs around the league know Kawhi is going. But let's help the most paranoid franchise (Lakers) know that Kawhi relationship cannot be fixed and trading him is a foregone conclusion.

[Spurs da champs]

Gasol is a Laker at heart, fuck that pos.

[ernest787]

That Gasol article is dumb. Dude says he hasn't talked to Kawhi b/c he's reserved and doesn't know if the relationship can be fixed. No Duh. Gasol has as much info as I do. Maybe they will interview me next to get info.

[exstatic]

Politics and sports don't mix. Never have, never will.

And yet ducks keeps taking it there...

[monkeypunk]

And yet ducks keeps taking it there...

[BackHome]

Be the bigger man

[SpursWoman]

And yet ducks keeps taking it there...

Don't be a ducks. :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

leonard PROVE HIM WRONG like trump proved media wrong!

And like how you proved all those posters in the Political Forum wrong in 2016:lol

[daslicer]

Gasol is a Laker at heart, fuck that pos.

:lol Gasol is trying to get the Lakers to retire his jersey.

[K...]

Gasol is a Laker at heart, fuck that pos.

He's actually more a worldly guy, he was traded to LA and essentially abused by Kobe. I doubt he likes Kobe our Mike brown. We'll see what he does in retirement. I think he returns to Spain. The Lakers also have never been keen to highlight him over Kobe.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Good, I was wondering what that washed up pos thought.

:toast

[Twisted_Dawg]

Politics and sports don't mix. Never have, never will.


I'm not going to lie, if the guy gets traded it would be amazing if he holds a press conference and just says "Bye" and puts on a MAGA hat and walks away.

What would absolutely be a mind fuck is if the mutant held a news conference and said the reason he wants away from the Spurs is because of Pop's political ranting.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Am I the only one that thinks that it’s deceptive, or at least poor, reporting to say that Gasol “doesn’t think” the relationship can be reconciled? Gasol said that “he doesn’t know” if it can be fixed - which is what we are hearing from everyone. At this time, nobody truly knows if it can be. I know WHY it’s being reported this way, I just think it’s shady.

[spurraider21]

Am I the only one that thinks that it’s deceptive, or at least poor, reporting to say that Gasol “doesn’t think” the relationship can be reconciled? Gasol said that “he doesn’t know” if it can be fixed - which is what we are hearing from everyone. At this time, nobody truly knows if it can be. I know WHY it’s being reported this way, I just think it’s shady.
sure, maybe. ultimately a very insignificant thing to take offense over imo

[Dex]

I think it's worth noting that things have gone quiet on the Leonard front. National or local media aren't putting anything out there that isn't anything but pure conjecture (like the Pau article), and even social media hasn't had any real leaks or updates since draft day.

All we know now is 1) Spurs still hope to reconcile with Leonard, 2) They are listening to offers from Eastern teams but not actively seeking them, and 3) They have shut the door on the Lakers so far.

Honestly, I don't expect anything to happen until Lebron makes his decision and the free agent market starts to shape up, so...it's gonna be a while.

[MoSpur02]

This thread is 156 pages and counting. Its annoying that nothing has been resolved, but glad to see that this thread has brought out peeps like Kori, Marcus Bryant, and Spurs Woman.

[daslicer]

This thread is 156 pages and counting. Its annoying that nothing has been resolved, but glad to see that this thread has brought out peeps like Kori, Marcus Bryant, and Spurs Woman.

Agreed it's great to see some of the old school posters post in this thread.

[exstatic]

This thread is 156 pages and counting. Its annoying that nothing has been resolved, but glad to see that this thread has brought out peeps like Kori, Marcus Bryant, and Spurs Woman.

It's like old home week with that group, plus baseline. All we're missing is timvp, and a GW sighting.

[SpursWoman]

It's like old home week with that group, plus baseline. All we're missing is timvp, and a GW sighting.

That's harsh, ex. :depressed

[exstatic]

That's harsh, ex. :depressed

Old home week is a good thing. It's like a reunion of sorts.

Did you think I meant old folks home, or something? Not the case.

[LakerHater]

http://oi68.tinypic.com/2ym7uif.jpg

[SpursWoman]

Old home week is a good thing. It's like a reunion of sorts.

Did you think I meant old folks home, or something? Not the case.

Old folks' home .. :lol

I knew I would find the best discussion about Kawhi here. :)

[ducks]

And like how you proved all those posters in the Political Forum wrong in 2016:lol

:bobo

[HarlemHeat37]

Pau is the only good player I've ever seen who is disliked by every team's fanbase that he has ever played for:lol

[spurs10]

What would absolutely be a mind fuck is if the mutant held a news conference and said the reason he wants away from the Spurs is because of Pop's political ranting. Maybe he could take up stock car racing.

[ducks]

And yet ducks keeps taking it there...

that would be pop

[gospursgojas]

Are people complaining about the thread length? This story is potentially franchise changing also, What else is here to talk about.

[rjv]

I think it's worth noting that things have gone quiet on the Leonard front. National or local media aren't putting anything out there that isn't anything but pure conjecture (like the Pau article), and even social media hasn't had any real leaks or updates since draft day.

All we know now is 1) Spurs still hope to reconcile with Leonard, 2) They are listening to offers from Eastern teams but not actively seeking them, and 3) They have shut the door on the Lakers so far.

Honestly, I don't expect anything to happen until Lebron makes his decision and the free agent market starts to shape up, so...it's gonna be a while.

this is exactly the case. and yet ST will provide at least another 100 posts per day filled with redundant conjecture.

[MoSpur02]

Gasol is fine as a backup. Not a starting center. Too bad the PATFO are paying him like a starting center.

[baseline bum]

Old folks' home .. :lol

I knew I would find the best discussion about Kawhi here. :)

Fuck I'm in the old folks home now. :depressed

I remember when spurstalk was just farmland as far as the eye could see

[rjv]

for what it's worth, though, gasol wasn't even sure if he's going to be a spur this season.

[ducks]

Real question -

When your idol gets put in the federal pen for the rest of his life and starts taking it up up the ass for smokes, are you going to take it in the ass in solidarity?

Even better, if he gets hung for treason, will you jump off a building to show them libtards?

Half of ST would pay cash money to see that AND maybe you can finally get that doublewide paid off so Uncle Dad doesn't have to sell your sister for meth any more!
why in hell would he get hung?
he is not perfect but he is by far the best president in your lifetime

Filmmaker David Lynch, while issuing a rejection of President Donald Trump, said the one-time political outsider rising to the White House can make him "one of the greatest presidents in history."

"He could go down as one of the greatest presidents in history because he has disrupted the thing so much," Lynch, of Twin Peaks fame, told The Guardian in an in-depth profile. "No one is able to counter this guy in an intelligent way."

President Trump, regardless of the stigma of his time in office, as Lynch told the Guardian, has changed the path for political outsiders.

"Our so-called leaders can't take the country forward, can't get anything done," Lynch added. "Like children, they are. Trump has shown all this."


Lynch, having once supported former President Ronald Reagan because of his Hollywood connection, now considers himself a Libertarian after rejecting both the Republican and Democratic parties. He told The Guardian he had voted for Bernie Sanders in the 2016 Democratic primary, but did not vote for President Trump nor Hillary Clinton in the general election

[rjv]

ugh. ducks has shown up. all we need now is for this thread to turn into a god does/does not exist thread or for avante to start talking about track.

[Marcus Bryant]

Thanks ducks, finally a place on the internet is discussing Trump.

[Clipper Nation]

Bum you been on fire lately don't agree with all your takes but you been on one since KL story dropped.

Just because Spur fans don't like the 2018 version of MVPau doesn't change the fact that prime MVPau carried Kobe, tbh. :downspin:

[ducks]

melo just picked up option LOL

[baseline bum]

melo just picked up option LOL

You voting for Mexican Trump on Sunday?

[TD 21]

Fultz is such a headcase right now that he's not going to be at summer league. They are straight up afraid he'll go back in his depressed funk shell if he gets on the court again.

You guys really want a guy whose own team is terrified of the permanent damage he'd do to himself with 5 exhibition games?

And has 'Uncle' issues if his own as laid out by Mrs Colangelo?

Another player who missed a whole season with a fake injury that the team had to pretend was serious to give him cover?

The reason he's most likely not going to play summer league is, because the 76ers don't want to halt the supposed progress being made on the re-building of his jump shot, which is still in the early stages.

Like I've repeatedly said, Spurs should exhaust the reconciliation/super max possibility with Leonard first, but if they keep him through the off season and it gets to October 17th without him signing an extension, then he has to be traded by February 7th.

Obviously, they'd have to do their due diligence on Fultz, but if the Celtics won't budge on Brown, what's the alternative? He might be a headcase, but Fultz at least offers the possibility of an elite talent. That can't be said about any of the other names bandied about (including Brown; he's just the best combination of high ceiling and floor).

[cd98]

This is the perfect example of how the Lakers can skirt NBA rules to recruit players. It's like ESPN can't bend over backwards to send the message to the players that they need to come to LA. http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23906359/los-angeles-lakers-fan-wooing-paul-george-lebron-james-40-billboards-city

[dabom]

fultz takes up too much cap space to what he produces and we already have too many pgs. Dude sucks. No one is biting.

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct-0GiOV5ps

[exstatic]

fultz takes up too much cap space to what he produces and we already have too many pgs. Dude sucks. No one is biting.

Dude, he’s played 14 games. His career is only a bit longer than Kawhi s aborted season. Anyone, including you, who says they know what he is or what he will be is basically full of shit.

[TD 21]

fultz takes up too much cap space to what he produces and we already have too many pgs. Dude sucks. No one is biting.

Cap space for what? They couldn't appeal to superstars and stars at their peak, so they damn sure won't now. Also, the roster would be mostly set (they'd just need to re-sign their own free agents). They'd have flexibility going forward.


Fultz and Covington combined will make about what Leonard will next season, then significantly less than he'd have gotten had he signed the super max. If they dumped Mills and bought out/stretched Bayless, they'd come out ahead.

Only in the NBA, can a 19 year old be written off after 1 season, having played a whopping 253 minutes over 14 games.

[picnroll]

As I said before best use of any cap space they can free up for the next couple of years is to take on bad salaries for high picks and promising young players unless Spur fan is content with teams gunning for 6th, 7th, 8th seed and first round exits for the foreseeable future

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfcUL_Ar1U0

Knicks are apparently his third choice behind LAL and LAC

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6ko9HiH5xQ

[SnakeBoy]

ugh. ducks has shown up. all we need now is for this thread to turn into a god does/does not exist thread or for avante to start talking about track.

It's not over until Cosmored starts posting

[dabom]

Dude, he’s played 14 games. His career is only a bit longer than Kawhi s aborted season. Anyone, including you, who says they know what he is or what he will be is basically full of shit.

Why did no team bite then? Dude has been exposed.

[dabom]

Cap space for what? They couldn't appeal to superstars and stars at their peak, so they damn sure won't now. Also, the roster would be mostly set (they'd just need to re-sign their own free agents). They'd have flexibility going forward.


Fultz and Covington combined will make about what Leonard will next season, then significantly less than he'd have gotten had he signed the super max. If they dumped Mills and bought out/stretched Bayless, they'd come out ahead.

Only in the NBA, can a 19 year old be written off after 1 season, having played a whopping 253 minutes over 14 games.

Even his own team apparently.

[tbdog]

I have no doubt that the Spurs would have offered the supermax if Kawhi had even had a year as successful as 2016-2017. The matter of the fact is that simply wasn't the case.

He played only 9 games where he frankly looked average, missed the rest of the season with a highly nebulous injury that had no concrete timetable, and pretty much shut out Pop, his teammates, and the organization.

There isn't a team in the league that would hand out a supermax after that without at least some kind of stipulations (confirming health, commitment to the team, etc.)

It's not just the games. Supermax must come with more responsibilities. Including being with the team, a leader, doing nba cares events, basketball camps, being an ambassador for the community of SA, being in a photo with someone's daughter.

[TD 21]

Even his own team apparently.

The thing is, whatever his current value is, it's far less than his potential. So unless they can turn a package headlined by him into Leonard, they're better off retaining him. A year from now, the narrative could easily change.

It's easy to point out what a risk he is, but try finding a superior alternative if push comes to shove and they're not able to pry Brown loose.

[dabom]

The thing is, whatever his current value is, it's far less than his potential. So unless they can turn a package headlined by him into Leonard, they're better off retaining him. A year from now, the narrative could easily change.

It's easy to point out what a risk he is, but try finding a superior alternative if push comes to shove and they're not able to pry Brown loose.

I'd rather tank than try to make trash pretty. :lol

[BillMc]

I wonder if this is all posturing. Reportedly, Kawhi's camp was anticipating the Supermax. Then it came out the Spurs would have to be convinced to give it to him. Then the KL group countered with the trade demand. Instead of normal negotiations, this has been done in the media through leaks. It would not surprise me if the supermax is offered around July 1, then suddenly everyone are friends again. Could be very wrong, of course.

[weebo]

I wonder if this is all posturing. Reportedly, Kawhi's camp was anticipating the Supermax. Then it came out the Spurs would have to be convinced to give it to him. Then the KL group countered with the trade demand. Instead of normal negotiations, this has been done in the media through leaks. It would not surprise me if the supermax is offered around July 1, then suddenly everyone are friends again. Could be very wrong, of course.

Screw that. Get rid of his ass. He got paid $19m to play and didn't. He's a thief. He let his team down. A PO team no less, HIS team. The guys fought hard all year to make the POs and he let them down. GS was vulnerable this year. With LMA balling, this could have been the last best chance for Pop and the remaining Big3. Fuck that guy.

[Gino20]

I wonder if this is all posturing. Reportedly, Kawhi's camp was anticipating the Supermax. Then it came out the Spurs would have to be convinced to give it to him. Then the KL group countered with the trade demand. Instead of normal negotiations, this has been done in the media through leaks. It would not surprise me if the supermax is offered around July 1, then suddenly everyone are friends again. Could be very wrong, of course.

I wonder the same thing as well. Things have been quiet for nearly a week and there have been really no leaks from credible sources how the meeting went except from Shams (just that it was professional and confidential). Jabari said it went good and future dialogue is expected in the future. Only SAS has said he wanted a trade when it was all safe id and done. I don’t put much stock into what SAS and most of what ESPN says anymore. Woj and Shams I think would have reported how the meeting went if they knew. I find it hard time believe that they don’t, but SAS does.

It’s always about money and I would be surprised if he was okay letting $80 million or so go over things that could probably be resolved with simple conversations. This is assuming the SM is even offered though...

[BackHome]

I am hearing news that both Boston and Philly have upgraded their past trades anyone else hearing this?

[objective]

The reason he's most likely not going to play summer league is, because the 76ers don't want to halt the supposed progress being made on the re-building of his jump shot, which is still in the early stages.

That's the cover story.

Yes, he's working on his shot and has been.

But camp doesn't open for 3 months and he can't risk taking 5 days against mostly g-league caliber players in exhibition settings? Exactly what kind of catastrophic result are they so afraid of? What if he actually shot well and catapulted his value up and started great buzz going into next year?

But apparently the danger to his mind is so incredible that it out weighs the benefits of him playing well.

[spurs10]

I wonder if this is all posturing. Reportedly, Kawhi's camp was anticipating the Supermax. Then it came out the Spurs would have to be convinced to give it to him. Then the KL group countered with the trade demand. Instead of normal negotiations, this has been done in the media through leaks. It would not surprise me if the supermax is offered around July 1, then suddenly everyone are friends again. Could be very wrong, of course. I'm hoping and thinking you're right because that would be what's best for the team. I'm sure there has been posturing in the press with leaks, but who knows what has been discussed. They can't offer the super-max until July 1st and then they have until October 16th if needed. A lot can happen in that time. It just seems daft to walk from that kind of cash (that's a lot of visits to Wingstop)!! R.C. seemed like he was determined to keep him with the team for "as long as possible" which I took to mean he was playing in SA until the summer of 2019 at least.

[spurs10]

I wonder the same thing as well. Things have been quiet for nearly a week and there have been really no leaks from credible sources how the meeting went except from Shams (just that it was professional and confidential). Jabari said it went good and future dialogue is expected in the future. Only SAS has said he wanted a trade when it was all safe id and done. I don’t put much stock into what SAS and most of what ESPN says anymore. Woj and Shams I think would have reported how the meeting went if they knew. I find it hard time believe that they don’t, but SAS does.

It’s always about money and I would be surprised if he was okay letting $80 million or so go over things that could probably be resolved with simple conversations. This is assuming the SM is even offered though... Yep! :toast

[CGD]

If the Lakers are able to get another team to take Ball for a future first, then I’d be open to dealing with the Lakers.

Ingram + Kuzma + decent 1st
is on par with
a Fultz + Saric + 10 (now Zahrie)

[tim_duncan_fan]

but Fultz at least offers the possibility of an elite talent

No he doesn't. He's slow and can't shoot.

[exstatic]

I am hearing news that both Boston and Philly have upgraded their past trades anyone else hearing this?

This is a little sooner than I thought, but this was inevitable. Neither can let the other have him.

Maybe The Group OKd those two teams, realizing that the Knicks are shit, and Dolan is an asshole.

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Stopped reading at Amin

Yeah, the guy's an assbag, but that doesn't mean that Amin doesn't properly represent Kawhi's camp. In fact, iirc, he even said that he knew that was the case that he would walk.

[DPG21920]

I am hearing news that both Boston and Philly have upgraded their past trades anyone else hearing this?

Where you hearing this? Im thinking if Kawhi is traded it will be in the next 14 days or so.

[spurs10]

Where you hearing this? Im thinking if Kawhi is traded it will be in the next 14 days or so. R.C. encouraged my thinking that they weren't too big on the idea of a trade, but I'm sure they are listening. If it's going to happen it would make sense to do it sooner than later. If a trade doesn't happen in the coming weeks I'll be expecting Kawhi to get ready for training camp.

How was the draft night experience and what do you think of our picks/new guys?

[cool cat]

Where you hearing this? Im thinking if Kawhi is traded it will be in the next 14 days or so.

Could be talking about Philly getting that pick in the draft to potentially sweeten a trade, is only thing I heard.

[MoSpur02]

Boston has to include Tatum if I'm the GM of the Spurs.

[DPG21920]

R.C. encouraged my thinking that they weren't too big on the idea of a trade, but I'm sure they are listening. If it's going to happen it would make sense to do it sooner than later. If a trade doesn't happen in the coming weeks I'll be expecting Kawhi to get ready for training camp.

How was the draft night experience and what do you think of our picks/new guys?

Draft night was amazing, thanks. I wanted Lonnie so for me personally I was thrilled. Best part the draft like usual was Knicks fans getting upset :lol. “We want Porter” chants only to have NY take Knox (whom I like). They were pissed!

[ducks]

Boston has to include Tatum if I'm the GM of the Spurs.

I tell Boston I want Irving 2draft picks and Tatum if not hang up phone
Tell Leonard to man up and go to camp
Leonard play bad hurts his value
And tell Leonard manu and tp both start with him
David Robinson and Bowen are coming back to start with him also

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Cap space for what? They couldn't appeal to superstars and stars at their peak, so they damn sure won't now. Also, the roster would be mostly set (they'd just need to re-sign their own free agents). They'd have flexibility going forward.


Fultz and Covington combined will make about what Leonard will next season, then significantly less than he'd have gotten had he signed the super max. If they dumped Mills and bought out/stretched Bayless, they'd come out ahead.

Only in the NBA, can a 19 year old be written off after 1 season, having played a whopping 253 minutes over 14 games.

To be clear, I don't think people are writing him off--I am certainly not. What I am doing, however, is starting i don't think he's worth the risk. Especially given the Spurs tenuous season and potential to have this thing unravel on us in any number of ways. If he comes over and it turns into a psychological roller coaster, that just might be the thing that officially ends the Spurs run. Although at present, I think we might have already had the death blow from Kawhi, that lousy asshat.

[SpursDynasty85]

It's not just the games. Supermax must come with more responsibilities. Including being with the team, a leader, doing nba cares events, basketball camps, being an ambassador for the community of SA, being in a photo with someone's daughter.

I agree. Super Max are for legacy players like a Duncan or Robinson. I love Kawhi but I trust the Spurs will find a better way to use 45M/yr.

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Screw that. Get rid of his ass. He got paid $19m to play and didn't. He's a thief. He let his team down. A PO team no less, HIS team. The guys fought hard all year to make the POs and he let them down. GS was vulnerable this year. With LMA balling, this could have been the last best chance for Pop and the remaining Big3. Fuck that guy.

To be quite fucking honest.

Edit: It's like people are forgetting Kawhi made a recently widowed Pop fly all over the country to come to him. Fucking disrespectful and completely wrong for the guy who nurtured your career.

[spurs10]

Draft night was amazing, thanks. I wanted Lonnie so for me personally I was thrilled. Best part the draft like usual was Knicks fans getting upset :lol. “We want Porter” chants only to have NY take Knox (whom I like). They were pissed! :lol That's great! I didn't have a lot of knowledge about the players, but I'm loving what I'm hearing about Lonnie Walker! Glad it was a cool experience, I always love my visits to NYC and Brooklyn no matter what I'm doing.

[tbdog]

As I said before best use of any cap space they can free up for the next couple of years is to take on bad salaries for high picks and promising young players unless Spur fan is content with teams gunning for 6th, 7th, 8th seed and first round exits for the foreseeable future

Yes. Making he playoffs is still an effort worthy to achieve. You either tank to achieve the best possible pick, hope it's a generational player, and take years to build up, have luck to succeed. And still may end up with nothing like the Thunder. If you go half ass, you're in no man's land. Promote losing team mentality, and treadmill your way and still miss the playoffs, then make desperate attempts to overpay overrated players hoping they breakout. Like the suns for years or knicks.

Or you create a winning culture, reward effort and loyalty, and try get to the wcsf. And you never know if you get a dirk run.

[NASpurs]

And suddenly, a new challenger has arrived.

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[lmbebo]

Boston has to include Tatum if I'm the GM of the Spurs.


word is that Boston is making him untouchable ... he's the center piece of any Boston deal for myself.

[rastaspur]

And suddenly, a new challenger has arrived.

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That came out of left field. Almost like the squirrel master laying claim to kenny before nasty nate could.

But seriously, what do the magic have to offer. Inless they are pulling a kevin costner and giving us their draf5 picks for the next three years how could a deal be worked out? Biyombo at 17 mil per year. Same for fournier. Vujecic and gordon are expiring deals.

[Mr. Body]

I've seen Orlando a lot today but it's all from this dumb tweet.

[Ron Swanson]

Simmons is coming back!

[baseline bum]

word is that Boston is making him untouchable ... he's the center piece of any Boston deal for myself.

Good for them. Then send Kawhi to Philly and let them ruin Ainge's entire rebuild. Reaching Game 7 of the ECF against the Cavs can be their high water mark for the Brad Stevens era.

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That came out of left field. Almost like the squirrel master laying claim to kenny before nasty nate could.

But seriously, what do the magic have to offer. Inless they are pulling a kevin costner and giving us their draf5 picks for the next three years how could a deal be worked out? Biyombo at 17 mil per year. Same for fournier. Vujecic and gordon are expiring deals.

Puzzling.

[Mr. Body]

I don't see Boston dealing Tatum OR Gordon Hayward. Don't see them trading Hayward one year after signing him and after that terrible injury. Plus he's Boston's beloved white guy.

[cjw]

Harden wasn't a Supermax decision. He was traded, LITERALLY, over just a few million dollars over the life of the potential contract. If that were the case in SA, I'd be leading the charge against SSE headquarters. OKC's owner mandated that they never pay the tax, they kept Ibaka, and let Harden slip away. Just overall bad management and decision making. They then paid the tax for B level players PG and Melo. WTF?

People forget that they broke up a finals core over $8 million when they had easier moves to make like stretching Perkins or moving a pick to someone to take him on. He wanted 4/$60 and they offered 4/$52.

Possibly the biggest folly in the NBA in recent memory.

Everyone should be glad the Spurs’ FO didn’t pull that.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I don't see teams offering more later on than would right now.

[Marcus Bryant]

Good for them. Then send Kawhi to Philly and let them ruin Ainge's entire rebuild. Reaching Game 7 of the ECF against the Cavs can be their high water mark for the Brad Stevens era.

Yes. Also Philly likely would want to acquire Leonard before free agency for its run at James.

[baseline bum]

I don't see Boston dealing Tatum OR Gordon Hayward. Don't see them trading Hayward one year after signing him and after that terrible injury. Plus he's Boston's beloved white guy.

Then hand the conference to Philly.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

If the Spurs really balked at offering a supermax before all this injury crap then I absolutely support Kawhi in wanting out. Not the crap he's pulled since if that was really the case but for sure wanting out.

After the absolute bullshit contracts they gave out to Pau, Patty, and Porky previously, cheaping out on Leonard would have been an absolute slap in the face tbh.

100% spot on. Spurs were an absolute embarrassment last offseason.

[Marcus Bryant]

I wonder if this is all posturing. Reportedly, Kawhi's camp was anticipating the Supermax. Then it came out the Spurs would have to be convinced to give it to him. Then the KL group countered with the trade demand. Instead of normal negotiations, this has been done in the media through leaks. It would not surprise me if the supermax is offered around July 1, then suddenly everyone are friends again. Could be very wrong, of course.

You would think that, but why the dumb drama about the injury diagnosis, which as of now hasn't required actual surgery.

Whatever conversations that there have been about the supermax have been going on for some time.

[DPG21920]

That came out of left field. Almost like the squirrel master laying claim to kenny before nasty nate could.

But seriously, what do the magic have to offer. Inless they are pulling a kevin costner and giving us their draf5 picks for the next three years how could a deal be worked out? Biyombo at 17 mil per year. Same for fournier. Vujecic and gordon are expiring deals.

Mo Bamba + Isaac but I wouldn’t want anything else.

[Marcus Bryant]

Ainge expects to assrape other teams in trades. Those odds above should be flipped with Philly the favorite.

[Mr. Body]

Then hand the conference to Philly.

It doesn't make sense to trade for Kawhi without moving Tatum or Hayward. How many starting SFs do they need? They have a glut of players.

[DPG21920]

Ainge expects to assrape other teams in trades. Those odds above should be flipped with Philly the favorite.

Except for when he tried to trade a ton of picks for Winslow :lol amazing how when someone gets saved from themselves how the narrative can change.