Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

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Sides have contact, but Celtics remain far away from landing Kawhi Leonard



It’s not believed the Celts are willing to move either Jayson Tatum or Jaylen Brown, and whether they’d put the 2019 Sacramento first round pick (protected only if it’s No. 1 overall) on the table likely is dependent on the sides getting serious ...

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/06/sides_have_contact_but_celtics_remain_far_away_fro m_landing_kawhi_leonard (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/06/sides_have_contact_but_celtics_remain_far_away_fro m_landing_kawhi_leonard)


Great Ainge logic:. No Tatum, no Brown, no Kings pick, now give us Kawhi

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That's it? Weak shit son. I expected better.

No need to do anything other than state facts. The truth has set me free, chief.

[Mr. Body]

Great Ainge logic:. No Tatum, no Brown, no Kings pick, now give us Kawhi

I don't get what he thinks they're gong to do with a big glut of players. There's thing to be a lot of unhappiness before long. But Ainge is a tight-ass who believes his hype. Doesn't help to have the Boston media taking turns sticking their tongue up his ass.

[Leetonidas]

the 80 mill that people are throwing around, it that the difference between an extension and FA contract? or the difference between supermax and regular max extension?

Iirc the difference between the super max and what he can sign as a FA in 2019 somewhere else is about 80 mil

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[Dex]

Sides have contact, but Celtics remain far away from landing Kawhi Leonard

Steve Bulpett (http://www.bostonherald.com/users/steve_bulpett) Wednesday, June 27, 2018

If the San Antonio Spurs get serious about trading Kawhi Leonard, the Celtics, according to multiple league sources, would like to be involved. But there has been nothing yet to indicate they have a realistic chance.


A Western Conference source with an interest in the proceedings told the Herald the Spurs did have a brief discussion with the Celts today, but there was no real negotiation. It was the first contact between the teams since before the draft, but even those talks did not include the C’s making an offer. That brief call, according to two league sources, went nowhere.


San Antonio has been checking the marketplace to see what kind of return it could get on Leonard, but it’s hard to see things working out with the Celtics under the current circumstances of the All-Star forward’s health and future plans.


As noted in a recent Herald story, the Celts would need assurances that Leonard’s quadriceps injury is healed and that he would be willing to stay with the team beyond next year. Leonard can opt out of his contract and become an unrestricted free agent after the 2018-19 season. He played in just nine games this season because of the quad problem, and questions about whether he could and should have played more strained his relationship with the Spurs.


Therefore, logic says anything the Celtics would be willing to give up at this stage would have to be reflective of those issues. That likely wouldn’t be enough for the Spurs.
It’s not believed the Celts are willing to move either Jayson Tatum or Jaylen Brown, and whether they’d put the 2019 Sacramento first round pick (protected only if it’s No. 1 overall) on the table likely is dependent on the sides getting serious enough to allow the C’s permission to speak with Leonard, gauge his interest in Boston and check his medical information.


But everything we’ve heard at this stage is the process is miles away from any of that. And the best information circulating through league front offices is that Leonard is still intent on getting to the Lakers, either by trade now or as a free agent next summer.
The situation is beginning to resemble the Paul George affair from last summer. The Celtics felt they could have beaten the deal offered by Oklahoma City (even though the transaction worked out better for the Pacers, and ultimately for the C’s too).


This time with Leonard and the Spurs, they would like to have a chance to be in the discussions at the end, though it doesn’t appear (again, yet) as if there is much of an avenue for an agreement.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/06/sides_have_contact_but_celtics_remain_far_away_fro m_landing_kawhi_leonard (http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/celtics/2018/06/sides_have_contact_but_celtics_remain_far_away_fro m_landing_kawhi_leonard)


Yeah, fuck off Boston.

Typical Ainge, trying to get gold for bronze.

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The Begging :lmao

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[Leetonidas]

Spurs about to bend the Lakers over a barrel

[NASpurs]

The Spurs are that hot chick that won't give the Lakers the time of day. They may listen out of courtesy but they're not interested. You better bring your A game to get them to talk otherwise, fuck off. :lol

[Mugen]

The begging, what an embarrassment of a franchise.

[Russ]

Certain parts of [Lonzo Ball's] game cannot be taught. He has lower body issues on his shot. If he can square up better and use his legs on his shot, he will have much better form. He wasn't used correctly in the Lakers as they used him as a shot creator, but he has an undeniable talent as an off guard. He isn't a iso player. He is a reactive player. Great cutter, moves without the ball. He has great size too.

I'm not sure where to begin.


Certain parts of his game cannot be taught.

Agreed (take a look at his jump shot).


He wasn't used correctly in the Lakers as they used him as a shot creator, but he has an undeniable talent as an off guard.

? He's not a shot creator? -- the only thing this guy can do is pass. His talent is not as an off guard (he shot 36% from the field).


Great cutter, moves without the ball. He has great size too.

He does move well without the ball, but, again, he's a point guard. If he has to make it as a two (with that shot) his career will not be lengthy.

[BatManu20]

Have a feeling this is going to continue to draw out for a while. Don’t see a conclusion by Friday.

[BillMc]

:lol Thanks for the laugh! It really is a stupid move to try and force PATFO into something they don't seem interested in. My answer would be 'see ya in September in one court or another...your call."
:lol Funny,, but sad this is what its come to with our franchise player.

[TekXX]

Magic is feeling pressure to make something happen but what could he possibly give us that's worth Kawai

[spursreport]

Have a feeling this is going to continue to draw out for a while. Don’t see a conclusion by Friday.

The only conclusion I want is Kawhi here for the long haul. None of these mediocre trades that won’t better the Spurs. :lol I seriously can’t believe Spurs fans want these trades or are even considering them. This isn’t the NFL where you can rebuild a champiomship team in 3 years for fucks sake. Fuck going through all that l. Why? Because of pride? Gmafb. Suck it up, offer that contract and get it signed and move on, tbh.

[picnroll]

Lonzo shot mechanics are possibly the worst of any player in the NBA and he seems to refuse to shoot it any other way. His mechanics look like a five year old who has to launch the ball from the side to try to get it to the basket. And then there’s his father.

[BillMc]

It does sort of feel like the Spurs have given up on keeping him long term though. No evidence of that of course. July 1 will be telling. See if they offer Super-max or not....

[Floyd Pacquiao]

I hope the spurs drag this on till the trade deadline.

[Mugen]

It does sort of feel like the Spurs have given up on keeping him long term though. No evidence of that of course. July 1 will be telling. See if they offer Super-max or not....

Spurs haven't said a damn thing since the draft though.

Dumbass Magic opened his mouth yesterday and put a timeline on himself for whatever reason. Then this morning, ESPN says they are under pressure to make a move and are at the point of begging.

Pop is probably drinking a glass of wine, no clue yet about the 76 missed calls from Magic on his phone :lol

[TekXX]

Yea i wouldn't assume the Spurs have given up, it's always best to keep your options open in this situation. If a team wants to pitch a trade go ahead and listen.

[TekXX]

What do we think Pop is asking the Lakers for in return?

[BillMc]

Spurs haven't said a damn thing since the draft though.

Dumbass Magic opened his mouth yesterday and put a timeline on himself for whatever reason. Then this morning, ESPN says they are under pressure to make a move and are at the point of begging.

Pop is probably drinking a glass of wine, no clue yet about the 76 missed calls from Magic on his phone :lol

:lol

Yea i wouldn't assume the Spurs have given up, it's always best to keep your options open in this situation. If a team wants to pitch a trade go ahead and listen.

Good point.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Spurs haven't said a damn thing since the draft though.

Dumbass Magic opened his mouth yesterday and put a timeline on himself for whatever reason. Then this morning, ESPN says they are under pressure to make a move and are at the point of begging.

Pop is probably drinking a glass of wine, no clue yet about the 76 missed calls from Magic on his phone :lol

:lol I like how RC with a big smirk mentioned in one of the post draft interviews that he "doesn't do buisness through the media"

[Mr. Body]

What do we think Pop is asking the Lakers for in return?

Nothing at this point.

[2Cleva]

So Spurs hang up on LA last week - then get word to their mouthpiece on this Kawhi talks (Woj) that they will entertain a Lakers offer, after they find out Boston won't give up anything. Now LA and SA talking.

And ya'll really think SA is in the driver's seat? LOL. We'll see.

[BillMc]

What do we think Pop is asking the Lakers for in return?

Two or three nights of passion with Jeanie Buss?

[Play Boban]

Poop is probably too triggered about the Supreme Court to even do his job tbh.

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Two or three nights of passion with Jeanie Buss?
Pop doesn’t do Phil’s sloppy seconds.

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:lol Funny,, but sad this is what its come to with our franchise player.

Tbtfh. Fuck that guy.

[TekXX]

So Spurs hang up on LA last week - then get word to their mouthpiece on this Kawhi talks (Woj) that they will entertain a Lakers offer, after they find out Boston won't give up anything. Now LA and SA talking.

And ya'll really think SA is in the driver's seat? LOL. We'll see.

We don't even have to get in the car.

[Russ]

So Spurs hang up on LA last week - then get word to their mouthpiece on this Kawhi talks (Woj) that they will entertain a Lakers offer, after they find out Boston won't give up anything. Now LA and SA talking.

And ya'll really think SA is in the driver's seat? LOL. We'll see.

The Spurs are in the driver's seat in this respect -- they can deny the Lakers Kawhi for a full year.

That's Uber.

[Mugen]

So Spurs hang up on LA last week - then get word to their mouthpiece on this Kawhi talks (Woj) that they will entertain a Lakers offer, after they find out Boston won't give up anything. Now LA and SA talking.

And ya'll really think SA is in the driver's seat? LOL. We'll see.

I don't like your tone, Clev.

Get on your knees and beg better like your boy Magic.

[BillMc]

Pop doesn’t do Phil’s sloppy seconds.

:lol

He kind of did with Kerr and Horry.

[TekXX]

:lol

He kind of did with Kerr and Horry.

Key championship pieces, well worth it

[2Cleva]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCJB_DnIQLc&feature=youtu.be

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What do we think Pop is asking the Lakers for in return?

That's the best part of this. He's letting them bet against their imaginations of what they think Spurs are getting elsewhere vs what they'll accept.

I love this.

[RD2191]

So Spurs hang up on LA last week - then get word to their mouthpiece on this Kawhi talks (Woj) that they will entertain a Lakers offer, after they find out Boston won't give up anything. Now LA and SA talking.

And ya'll really think SA is in the driver's seat? LOL. We'll see.

This actually makes sense. Spurm fans in denial. :lol

[spurs10]

:lol Funny,, but sad this is what its come to with our franchise player. :toast


Spurs haven't said a damn thing since the draft though.

Dumbass Magic opened his mouth yesterday and put a timeline on himself for whatever reason. Then this morning, ESPN says they are under pressure to make a move and are at the point of begging.

Pop is probably drinking a glass of wine, no clue yet about the 76 missed calls from Magic on his phone :lol :toast Yeah I doubt Pop is going to go out of his way to help them out. I always go back to the same thing, he's under contract and that's what matters this season. LA can offer him their max next summer. He'll lose tens of millions, but get to hang out with Lavar and Lonzo and the staff of TMZ and Access Hollywood.

[DPG21920]

So Spurs hang up on LA last week - then get word to their mouthpiece on this Kawhi talks (Woj) that they will entertain a Lakers offer, after they find out Boston won't give up anything. Now LA and SA talking.

And ya'll really think SA is in the driver's seat? LOL. We'll see.

Go on record: What type of deal would you say shows it was LA in the driver seat? How about Spurs?

[NASpurs]

What ever "productive" means.

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[NASpurs]

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23930461/los-angeles-lakers-san-antonio-spurs-re-open-talks-kawhi-leonard

Lakers re-open talks with Spurs on Kawhi Leonard; Spurs want more than Kyrie Irving or PG13 fetched

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The Lakers are using the Paul George (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4251/paul-george) and Kyrie Irving (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6442/kyrie-irving) trades as proportional models for a Leonard deal, but San Antonio understands that this trade, for intents and purposes, would mean Leonard and James coming to the Lakers, and will likely command a massive package of young players and draft picks for Leonard, a two-time first-team All-NBA and two-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year.

The Lakers are in no rush to sign the 25th overall pick in Thursday's NBA Draft, Michigan forward Mo Wagner, (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3917314/moritz-wagner) to his rookie scale deal, which would allow the Lakers to include his draft rights into a trade package, league sources said. Wagner couldn't be traded for 30 days once he signs his rookie deal.

The Lakers are pursuing an additional first-round pick on the trade market too, offering to incur a salary dump of contracts to get a pick, league sources said.

As ESPN reported earlier, there's a race to secure Leonard before James is faced with making a decision in free agency, especially with concern that Oklahoma City's Paul George (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/4251/paul-george) is no longer assured of signing with the Lakers, league sources said.

Another James preference that could impact free agency -- assuming he chooses to opt out before Friday's deadline -- is that he wants to make a decision quickly in July free agency, league sources said.

The Boston Celtics (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/bos/boston-celtics), Cleveland Cavaliers (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/cle/cleveland-cavaliers), Philadelphia 76ers (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/phi/philadelphia-76ers) and LA Clippers (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/lac/la-clippers) are among teams who have made offers to the Spurs for Leonard, league sources said. The Lakers, the franchise Leonard wants to be traded to, did not have an encouraging initial conversation with the Spurs, ESPN reported recently.

If Leonard can convince the rest of the teams interested in trading for him that he'll only be a one-year rental before signing with Los Angeles in 2019, the Lakers could have the most compelling trade package to offer San Antonio.

The situation has become similar to where the Lakers were with the Indiana Pacers (http://www.espn.com/nba/team/_/name/ind/indiana-pacers) last year, when George informed the Pacers that he intended to sign with the Lakers as a free agent in 2018. As such, the Lakers never made a substantial offer to Indiana -- such as the No. 2 pick in the 2017 draft, or Brandon Ingram (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3913176/brandon-ingram) -- as they expected George would come to them this year in free agency. But now, after last summer's trade to Oklahoma City, George is seriously considering a return to the Thunder, as well as the possibility of joining the Lakers or others.

Los Angeles could be risking a scenario of James staying in Cleveland or going elsewhere and the Spurs trading Leonard to a destination where he becomes comfortable and hedges on joining the Lakers next year.

The Lakers have been weighing the conservation of young assets and future draft picks against the possibility of getting shut out in free agency. The Lakers hoped to lure James and George in free agency, which would give them more leverage in Leonard trade talks, or simply for the ability to wait until next year to sign Leonard.

The price for Leonard would be substantial. The Lakers could have to surrender a combination of former first-round picks -- from Ingram, Kyle Kuzma (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3134907/kyle-kuzma) and Josh Hart (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3062679/josh-hart) -- and future first-round picks and perhaps restricted free agent Julius Randle (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3064514/julius-randle) in a sign-and-trade agreement.

The Spurs could also push the Lakers to take an unappealing contract off their books. Those are all deal points that would be applicable to leverage, which belongs to the Spurs as long as Lakers president Magic Johnson and general manager Rob Pelinka haven't delivered yet on the promise of a blue-chip free agent.

Johnson told reporters in Los Angeles on Tuesday that he'd step down as the team's president of basketball operations if he couldn't deliver superstars via free agency or trade over the next two summers.

While James and George have until Friday to exercise their player options on the final years of their contracts and become unrestricted free agents. Leonard can't opt out of his contract until next summer.

Thus far, the Spurs haven't been responsive to all teams that have inquired about Leonard, nor have they ruled out the possibility of trading him to any league destination, sources said.

James hasn't ruled out a return to Cleveland, but his chances of staying with a reshaped and upgraded roster are murky.

The Cavaliers have been working on several trade and salary-cap-clearing possibilities to be aggressive in free agency, but they have been stymied in attempts to meet or discuss scenarios with James, league sources said. James had been clear that he wouldn't engage with the Cavaliers throughout the pre-draft and pre-free-agent process, and he has stayed consistent with that posture.

James' unwillingness to commit beyond the 2017-18 season made it challenging for Cavs management to execute a trade for George last summer, because George wanted a James commitment beyond next season to make one of his own, league sources said. One George-to-Cleveland deal fell apart when the Cavs declined to make a future first-round pick unprotected, a concession they felt they couldn't make without assurances from James.

It is unlikely that the Cavaliers would've traded Kyrie Irving (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/6442/kyrie-irving) with James and George together on the Cleveland roster.

Now, the longer the Cavaliers go without clear communication with James, the less chance they can find ways to upgrade the roster to James' satisfaction. Cleveland would love to get involved with George's or Chris Paul (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/2779/chris-paul)'s free agencies in concert with re-signing James, but because the Cavs are likely to be deep into the luxury tax, they will be barred from receiving players in sign-and-trade deals, which makes getting involved in the free agency of stars nearly impossible.

Cleveland has inquired about Leonard, sources said, but the Cavaliers probably don't have the assets to top the rest of the market.

Leonard has been adamant that he doesn't want to step into the San Antonio locker room again, and the Spurs have been adamant that they won't be forced into a trade, or a timetable, prior to the February trading deadline, league sources said. No team talking with the Spurs about Leonard has found them to be in a rush to make a deal.

[dabom]

What ever "productive" means.

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They picked up the phone unlike last time.

[baseline bum]

So Spurs hang up on LA last week - then get word to their mouthpiece on this Kawhi talks (Woj) that they will entertain a Lakers offer, after they find out Boston won't give up anything. Now LA and SA talking.

And ya'll really think SA is in the driver's seat? LOL. We'll see.

You gonna keep ducking my question about how the Lakers are signing Kawhi next summer after getting LeBron and PG13? Let's start with what are you doing to open up the last few million dollars of capspace needed for LeBron and PG13? Since that's the first thing the Lakers will have to do in your scenario.

[TekXX]

Pop does not get fleeced. There will be a good trade or no trade.

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This actually makes sense. Spurm fans in denial. :lol

Clearly, you just excluded yourself from that affiliation. Lol, your troll game is atrocious.

[BatManu20]

Comparing this thread to the Lakerground Kawhi thread is hilarious. They think the Spurs are only talking to the Lakers now because we’re desperate and are about to trade Kawhi to LA for pennies on the dollar, and we think we hold all the leverage as Magic is on the clock and needs to make a deal by Friday for Lebron.

[Clipper Nation]

Pop does not get fleeced.

Porker, Mills and Pau's contracts say otherwise.

[MannyIsGod]

I think when it comes down to it, the Spurs will probably work out a deal with the Lakers. When you get past the anger and just look at it from a basketball perspective, the truth is that I don't think anyone else is going to offer up a substantial package for him unless there's a chance to sign him long term and it really doesn't seem like that's the case. I would say just brace yourself for that and hope that Ingram and Kuzma are better than we think.

[2Cleva]

Go on record: What type of deal would you say shows it was LA in the driver seat? How about Spurs?

SA gets a deal similar to what most stars go for. They get a young prospect (likely Ingram who is the best prospect they can get). They get a future pick. They won't take on a bad K. SA of course wants more. Maybe they get one of LA's cheaper young guys but no one with significant minutes (Kuzma, Hart).

[TekXX]

Comparing this thread to the Lakerground Kawhi thread is hilarious. They think the Spurs are desperate and are about to trade Kawhi to LA for pennies on the dollar, and we think we hold all the leverage as Magic is on the clock and needs to make a deal by Friday for Lebron.

Why would we care if magic is on the clock, that's his problem?

[baseline bum]

Pop does not get fleeced. There will be a good trade or no trade.

The only good trade the Spurs could possibly do is if LeBron tells Philly he's coming if they can get Kawhi and the Spurs tell them give me Ben Simmons or fuck off. Not seeing that happen so the Spurs will get bent over in any trade for Kawhi. Even Tatum + Brown + Sacramento 1st + Memphis 1st for Kawhi would be a huge loser of a trade for the Spurs. If you're expecting a good trade you're going to be really sorry when Kawhi gets moved.

[look_at_g_shred]

Idk why some of y’all want to wait for the deadline to trade Kawhi. IMHO, the deals will be even worse. If we are going to get the LAL or PHILA haul, why wouldn’t you want a full season to build chemistry with all the new pieces?

[BatManu20]

SA gets a deal similar to what most stars go for. They get a young prospect (likely Ingram who is the best prospect they can get). They get a future pick. They won't take on a bad K. SA of course wants more. Maybe they get one of LA's cheaper young guys but no one with significant minutes (Kuzma, Hart).

Considering the Spurs were really high on Kuzma and were likely going to select him before LAL snatched him up two picks before us, I think they’d demand he be included in any package they receive for Kawhi. I think Ingram and Kuzma are the two guys they’d want, plus fillers.

[NASpurs]

The price for Leonard would be substantial. The Lakers could have to surrender a combination of former first-round picks -- from Ingram, Kyle Kuzma (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3134907/kyle-kuzma) and Josh Hart (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3062679/josh-hart) -- and future first-round picks and perhaps restricted free agent Julius Randle (http://www.espn.com/nba/player/_/id/3064514/julius-randle) in a sign-and-trade agreement.

The Spurs could also push the Lakers to take an unappealing contract off their books. Those are all deal points that would be applicable to leverage, which belongs to the Spurs as long as Lakers president Magic Johnson and general manager Rob Pelinka haven't delivered yet on the promise of a blue-chip free agent.

:lmao Bend over Magic.

[TekXX]

The only good trade the Spurs could possibly do is if LeBron tells Philly he's coming if they can get Kawhi and the Spurs tell them give me Ben Simmons or fuck off. Not seeing that happen so the Spurs will get bent over in any trade for Kawhi. Even Tatum + Brown + Sacramento 1st + Memphis 1st for Kawhi would be a huge loser of a trade for the Spurs. If you're expecting a good trade you're going to be really sorry when Kawhi gets moved.

Ok no trade it is.

[Slippy]

It does sort of feel like the Spurs have given up on keeping him long term though. No evidence of that of course. July 1 will be telling. See if they offer Super-max or not....

If theres any truth to versey's tweet that Kawhis decision making is influenced by emotion that would be another good reason for the spurs to sit tight & wait. Time heals wounds. Take the emotion away. 80 or even 40 mill guaranteed money is alot to give up & risky in light of his health concerns.

[2Cleva]

https://twitter.com/YannisNBA/status/1012155988026281985

[baseline bum]

I think when it comes down to it, the Spurs will probably work out a deal with the Lakers. When you get past the anger and just look at it from a basketball perspective, the truth is that I don't think anyone else is going to offer up a substantial package for him unless there's a chance to sign him long term and it really doesn't seem like that's the case. I would say just brace yourself for that and hope that Ingram and Kuzma are better than we think.

I don't think that trade makes any sense until LeBron makes his decision. If James goes to LA with George the Lakers are going to have a really hard time clearing a slot for Leonard in the summer of 2019, at which time the Spurs should be getting better offers from Philly and Boston. For instance, if the Lakers stretch Deng the maximum they'd be able to offer Kawhi in 2019 is 4 years, $99 million if they land James and George.

[DPG21920]

SA gets a deal similar to what most stars go for. They get a young prospect (likely Ingram who is the best prospect they can get). They get a future pick. They won't take on a bad K. SA of course wants more. Maybe they get one of LA's cheaper young guys but no one with significant minutes (Kuzma, Hart).

I’m confused and want to clarify. So you think that if SA gets Ingram + a future LA pick + someone other than Kuzma/Hart that shows LA was in the driver seat? Is that correct?

So if SA gets something like Ingram + Kuzma + multiple picks and/or dumps a contract as well then you will agree SA got over on LA?

[Clipper Nation]

https://twitter.com/YannisNBA/status/1012155988026281985

:lol Wow, great source you have there... a self-described "waste management consultant" who doesn't have a blue checkmark.

[2Cleva]

You gonna keep ducking my question about how the Lakers are signing Kawhi next summer after getting LeBron and PG13? Let's start with what are you doing to open up the last few million dollars of capspace needed for LeBron and PG13? Since that's the first thing the Lakers will have to do in your scenario.

Not at all. Thought I answered. TBD what moves LA makes. If star players want to go places - cap space room is found. LA didn't have cap space for 2 max deals this time last year.

As for this year - LA gets to 2 max spots by using the stretch on Deng. That's the easiest way. If they find a taker who will take his Ks and picks (ATL) they open up space to begin freeing up needed for Kawhi next year.

[RD2191]

I don't think that trade makes any sense until LeBron makes his decision. If James goes to LA with George the Lakers are going to have a really hard time clearing a slot for Leonard in the summer of 2019, at which time the Spurs should be getting better offers from Philly and Boston. For instance, if the Lakers stretch Deng the maximum they'd be able to offer Kawhi in 2019 is 4 years, $99 million if they land James and George.

Assuming LBJ and PG both sign for the max

[baseline bum]

https://twitter.com/YannisNBA/status/1012155988026281985

:rollin

Quoting a guy from Hoopsworld. :lmao

I still remember those faggots reporting Karl Malone was signing with the Spurs when the press conference the team called was to announce the retirement of Sean Elliott's jersey.

[RD2191]

:rollin

Quoting a guy from Hoopsworld. :lmao

I still remember those faggots reporting Karl Malone was signing with the Spurs when the press conference the team called was to announce the retirement of Sean Elliott's jersey.

That's why he's been retired for a while. :lol

[baseline bum]

Not at all. Thought I answered. TBD what moves LA makes. If star players want to go places - cap space room is found. LA didn't have cap space for 2 max deals this time last year.

As for this year - LA gets to 2 max spots by using the stretch on Deng. That's the easiest way. If they find a taker who will take his Ks and picks (ATL) they open up space to begin freeing up needed for Kawhi next year.

Go do the math on how much cap space the Lakers would have next summer under a $108 million cap if they stretch Deng and clear every salary out other than those for James and George. Tell me how much they can offer Kawhi next summer in that case. Then tell me why Kawhi is signing for that.

[2Cleva]

I’m confused and want to clarify. So you think that if SA gets Ingram + a future LA pick + someone other than Kuzma/Hart that shows LA was in the driver seat? Is that correct?

So if SA gets something like Ingram + Kuzma + multiple picks and/or dumps a contract as well then you will agree SA got over on LA?

If they get Ingram and Kuz - yeah, they would have gotten over. I'm still not complaining when LA ends up with LeBron, Kawhi and PG - regardless of who they give up.



:lol Wow, great source you have there... a self-described "waste management consultant" who doesn't have a blue checkmark.

Yannis is longtime connected. Was at Yahoo with Woj and Sham.

[Spurs9]

Considering the Spurs were really high on Kuzma and were likely going to select him before LAL snatched him up two picks before us, I think they’d demand he be included in any package they receive for Kawhi. I think Ingram and Kuzma are the two guys they’d want, plus fillers.

Both players have high upside, they are both on really good contracts. We basically won 47 games without Kawhi last year. Add some pieces to a trade package with those 2 players involved and I don't see how the Spurs would be upset getting them back. The Warriors are already a juggernaut, if a team with Lebron and Kawhi help break that up, its not such a bad thing. Both Ingram/Kuz are going to improve alot this season too.

[baseline bum]

Assuming LBJ and PG both sign for the max

James will never take a penny less than max ever again as he announced when leaving Miami. Paul George isn't taking a $7.36 million paycut on his base salary to offset the cap hit from stretching Deng's money over five years. That paycut would cost him more than $31 million on the full contract.

[baseline bum]

If they get Ingram and Kuz - yeah, they would have gotten over.

:lol

You're just full of funny shit today.

[Mr. Body]

I don't want to watch Brandon Ingram every year. His tats look fucking terrible and he looks like he just smoked a gourd as big as a house.

[RD2191]

I don't want to watch Brandon Ingram every year. His tats look fucking terrible and he looks like he just smoked a gourd as big as a house.

You'll watch him and you'll like it.

[KDKSpurs24]

I think when it comes down to it, the Spurs will probably work out a deal with the Lakers. When you get past the anger and just look at it from a basketball perspective, the truth is that I don't think anyone else is going to offer up a substantial package for him unless there's a chance to sign him long term and it really doesn't seem like that's the case. I would say just brace yourself for that and hope that Ingram and Kuzma are better than we think.

[Capt Bringdown]

Lakers have trash roster, why would the spurs want any of their garbage?

[RD2191]

Lakers have trash roster, why would the spurs want any of their garbage?

As I said earlier, Ingram and kuzma would automatically be the Spurs 2nd and 3rd best players, assuming Kawhi is moved. And what else can the Spurs get tbh? Brown from the Celts maybe?

[look_at_g_shred]

I may be in the minority here but Ingram/Kuz/Pick and possibly randle plus a pau salary dump is fucking A1

[offset formation]

Pop does not get fleeced. There will be a good trade or no trade.

Shelbourne, Woj, and ESPN are saying exactly that if you look at that article. I believe the descriptor they used was, "substantial."

Lol @ Lakerfan coming over here and telling us we will take Ingram, a pick, and bench guys.

Bwahahaha.

[Spurs9]

As I said earlier, Ingram and kuzma would automatically be the Spurs 2nd and 3rd best players, assuming Kawhi is moved. And what else can the Spurs get tbh? Brown from the Celts maybe?
Exactly, those are 2 really good pieces to add on cheap contracts. A deal around Kyrie only has a year left. I like Brown but what other pieces would they give up? Spurs had looked at drafting Kuzma originally, he averaged 17/6 his first year. Ingram has shown good improvement each year and is skilled. I think both would excel on the Spurs. They can always use those guys as assets later for trades if needed.

[Spurs9]

I may be in the minority here but Ingram/Kuz/Pick and possibly randle plus a pau salary dump is fucking A1

You aren't, I would love that package. Replace Pau with Randle who gets after it, and add Ingram/Kuzma? Yes please.

[TD 21]

:lmao The media is so desperate for the Lakers to return to prominence and the Spurs to become irrelevant, that they've now suddenly got amnesia. They got sucked in and played this "he's definitely going to the Lakers in a year" game with George throughout the past year only to do an about-face, saying that the Thunder, on a 1+1 deal, are a distinct possibility.

Neither the Celtics or 76ers should be scared off and the Lakers shouldn't risk his being traded to the 76ers (Celtics are playing their usual games), an appealing situation and great fit, who can offer at least $40M more. Not even if they think they're signing James and George, an A-list name with a B-list game.

Unfortunately, if the Celtics remain unwilling to capitulate, it's probably 76ers or Lakers and if Fultz can't be rerouted for Jackson (and he probably can't), probably Lakers.

If it eventually happens, the one saving grace is the Spurs would now be better suited for the "new NBA". A cadre versatile big wings/combo forwards (Ingram, Kuzma, Anderson, Bertans), as well as big guards (Murray, White, Walker, possibly Hart), probably an extra 1st, plus all picks going forward. The downside would be none have superstar potential and maybe 1-2 have star potential.

[goliath]

We aren’t getting a superstar for khawi. So the goal should be getting as many shots at getting a star in the future as possible. Nothing on the Lakers accomplishes this. Ingram and kuzma are solid starters but I don’t see either developing into a star. At least philly gives us a couple of shots at getting a star. The Miami pick hopefully turns into a top pick. Fultz may turn into a bust but he is only a year away from the consensus #1 pick.

[Capt Bringdown]

As I said earlier, Ingram and kuzma would automatically be the Spurs 2nd and 3rd best players, assuming Kawhi is moved. And what else can the Spurs get tbh? Brown from the Celts maybe?

And Kawhi (if healthy) becomes the best Laker by a factor of 10- why should the Spurs rebuild the Lakers in one fell swoop?
Spurs are going to get fucked anyway you slice it, therefore the best move is fuck Leonard just for spite.
Fuck Leonard, and fuck the Lakers.

[BillMc]

Get a third team involved. Somehow get KAT down here, he wants out of Minnesota.

[DPG21920]

Hart sucks and I don’t want him :lol

I would rather have Murray/Lonnie/White and don’t want Hart.

[RD2191]

And Kawhi (if healthy) becomes the best Laker by a factor of 10- why should the Spurs rebuild the Lakers in one fell swoop?
Spurs are going to get fucked anyway you slice it, therefore the best move is fuck Leonard just for spite.
Fuck Leonard, and fuck the Lakers.

A franchise like the Spurs can't afford to think that way. We never attract free agents and the one we did attract (LMA) requested a trade after a couple of seasons. Kawhi is hell bent on joining the Lakers so he'll be there either by trade or in free agency. Why would the Spurs let him walk for nothing when they can get 2 solid rookies with potential in a trade? They're going to get fucked when Kawhi walks just out of spite? Fuck that.

[Joseph Kony]

lol this laker fan clown :lmao

Lakers are about to fork over Ingram, Kuzma, a pick, and take a shitty contract back at minimum if they want Kawhi. face it, Lakers are going to fork over whatever the spurs ask for in the end

[BillMc]

Hart sucks and I don’t want him :lol

I would rather have Murray/Lonnie/White and don’t want Hart.

So that makes you "Hart-less?" :lol

Ah, I need sleep.....

[RD2191]

Exactly, those are 2 really good pieces to add on cheap contracts. A deal around Kyrie only has a year left. I like Brown but what other pieces would they give up? Spurs had looked at drafting Kuzma originally, he averaged 17/6 his first year. Ingram has shown good improvement each year and is skilled. I think both would excel on the Spurs. They can always use those guys as assets later for trades if needed.

Pretty much what I've been saying :tu. Making the Lakers sucks ass but the Spurs aren't winning this trade any way you look at it. Might as well get some young prospects in return.

[RD2191]

Exactly, those are 2 really good pieces to add on cheap contracts. A deal around Kyrie only has a year left. I like Brown but what other pieces would they give up? Spurs had looked at drafting Kuzma originally, he averaged 17/6 his first year. Ingram has shown good improvement each year and is skilled. I think both would excel on the Spurs. They can always use those guys as assets later for trades if needed.

Pretty much what I've been saying :tu. Making the Lakers better sucks ass but the Spurs aren't winning this trade any way you look at it. Might as well get some young prospects in return.

[Clipper Nation]

Sad to see Spur fans already cucking and conceding to the Lakers. Where's you guys' pride? You actually want the Lakers' trash?

[baseline bum]

lol this laker fan clown :lmao

Lakers are about to fork over Ingram, Kuzma, a pick, and take a shitty contract back at minimum if they want Kawhi. face it, Lakers are going to fork over whatever the spurs ask for in the end

I still think they should ask Magic to fork over six months of his retrovirals too.

[look_at_g_shred]

And Kawhi (if healthy) becomes the best Laker by a factor of 10- why should the Spurs rebuild the Lakers in one fell swoop?
Spurs are going to get fucked anyway you slice it, therefore the best move is fuck Leonard just for spite.
Fuck Leonard, and fuck the Lakers.
You have to put emotion behind you, and look after yourself. You keep Kawhi next year and he walks for nothing. He’s leaving so might as well get the best start to a rebuild/retool . Kawhi gives you a headstart.

[Mr. Body]

I still think they should ask Magic to fork over six months of his retrovirals too.

You've said this joke before. I don't think anyone laughed the first time.

[offset formation]

And Kawhi (if healthy) becomes the best Laker by a factor of 10- why should the Spurs rebuild the Lakers in one fell swoop?
Spurs are going to get fucked anyway you slice it, therefore the best move is fuck Leonard just for spite.
Fuck Leonard, and fuck the Lakers.

Amen.

[daslicer]

Sad to see Spur fans already cucking and conceding to the Lakers. Where's you guys' pride? You actually want the Lakers' trash?

Agreed I don't see no point in creating a Lakers super team with the trash the Lakers will give in return.

[baseline bum]

We aren’t getting a superstar for khawi. So the goal should be getting as many shots at getting a star in the future as possible. Nothing on the Lakers accomplishes this. Ingram and kuzma are solid starters but I don’t see either developing into a star. At least philly gives us a couple of shots at getting a star. The Miami pick hopefully turns into a top pick. Fultz may turn into a bust but he is only a year away from the consensus #1 pick.

I agree. You're going to enjoy paying a max salary to Ingram in two years when he's at best a Millsap level player? Or you let him walk and then you got less than nothing since you spent two years developing him? People overrate B-level talent on rookie contracts so much here. Everyone loves these guys until they get their first real contract they negotiate.

[dbestpro]

Trying to make the dollars match is hard. Spurs will have to take back $18 mil in salary. There is no way Deng is included unless other Spur players are involved. Deng has two more years of 18 mil left. The only way I see it would be adding a sign and trade of Lopez or Randle, or a three way that sends Deng and Ball to a team for another player in the $10-$12 mil (Vucevic?) range while including Ingram and Kuzma.

[RD2191]

If Ingram and kuzma are trash then what are the bums on the Spurs? :lol name a better player than those two on the Spurs :lol (sans Kawhi and LMA tbh)

[baseline bum]

Trying to make the dollars match is hard. Spurs will have to take back $18 mil in salary. There is no way Deng is included unless other Spur players are involved. Deng has two more years of 18 mil left. The only way I see it would be adding a sign and trade of Lopez or Randle, or a three way that sends Deng and Ball to a team for another player in the $10-$12 mil (Vucevic?) range while including Ingram and Kuzma.

The Spurs don't have to take back salary since the Lakers have cap room. And Randle is going to cost more than Kawhi most likely.

[Spurs9]

Get a third team involved. Somehow get KAT down here, he wants out of Minnesota.
Sign and trade Randle + Ball to Wolves, Kawhi +Gasol to Lakers, KAT, Ingram, Kuzma to Spurs? :lol

[RD2191]

I agree. You're going to enjoy paying a max salary to Ingram in two years when he's at best a Millsap level player? Or you let him walk and then you got less than nothing since you spent two years developing him? People overrate B-level talent on rookie contracts so much here. Everyone loves these guys until they get their first real contract they negotiate.

So then what's the plan? Rebuild in free agency? :lmao

[Vic Petro]

Any trade you make with any team has to include at least one draft pick that has a reasonable chance of landing top 5 in the lottery. If the Lakers can trade Ball for that sort of pick, I’m willing to talk. But I don’t trade with them for that pu pu platter and a 25-30 pick.

[cutewizard]

All told....one of the most interesting offseason in Spurs history

[tbdog]

I'm not sure where to begin.



Agreed (take a look at his jump shot).



? He's not a shot creator? -- the only thing this guy can do is pass. His talent is not as an off guard (he shot 36% from the field).



He does move well without the ball, but, again, he's a point guard. If he has to make it as a two (with that shot) his career will not be lengthy.

Have a look at Jason Kidd's numbers as a Rookie.
Kidd: 11.7ppg, 38% 5.4reb. 7.7ast
Ball: 10.2ppg 36% 6.9reb 7.2ast

Ball is a combo guard. A Diaw of guards. A manu without the scoring (yet). His shot is broken, but its actually his lower body and not the shot mechanics in the wrist. I am sure it could be fixed. And I am sure Buford has asked English if he could fix Ball's shot. If the answer is yes, then you are going to get a good player.

[offset formation]

Sad to see Spur fans already cucking and conceding to the Lakers. Where's you guys' pride? You actually want the Lakers' trash?

Not just no, but fuck no. Fuck them.

PATFO is gonna make Spurs fucking irate if they make a cuck deal, which is why they won't. If they make a trade, it will be for something "substantial."

If they do that, I'll take it.

That said, I would hope they don't do a fucking thing for weeks. Make Bron and PG make a decision first.

[RD2191]

Have a look at Jason Kidd's numbers as a Rookie.
Kidd: 11.7ppg, 38% 5.4reb. 7.7ast
Ball: 10.2ppg 36% 6.9reb 7.2ast

Ball is a combo guard. A Diaw of guards. A manu without the scoring (yet). His shot is broken, but its actually his lower body and not the shot mechanics in the wrist. I am sure it could be fixed. And I am sure Buford has asked English if he could fix Ball's shot. If the answer is yes, then you are going to get a good player.

Ball is fine, fuck the circus his father will bring though.

[Trainwreck2100]

You have to put emotion behind you, and look after yourself. You keep Kawhi next year and he walks for nothing. He’s leaving so might as well get the best start to a rebuild/retool . Kawhi gives you a headstart.

Aldridge went to Pop and asked for a trade last year, pop told him no and there's the door, if he cowtows to Kawhi without a semblance of a fair deal then nothing is going to stop Aldridge from doing it again.

[Mugen]

So the Spurs do a complete 180 and are now willing to engage the Lakers in a span of like 7 hours :lol

[baseline bum]

So then what's the plan? Rebuild in free agency? :lmao

So the plan is max out players the other team doesn't want? You think the Mills and Gasol contracts are bad wait until seeing Randle and Ingram on max deals.

[LkrFan]

So the Spurs do a complete 180 and are now willing to engage the Lakers in a span of like 7 hours :lol

I hope RC don't make Maginka grab his ankles and bite his bottom lip tho :lol

[Mugen]

I hope RC don't make Maginka grab his ankles and bite his bottom lip tho :lol

I hope not either since Magic is HIV positive.

[DPG21920]

The deal has to be one of two things for me to be happy with Kawhi getting his way:

1. Ingram + Kuz + a good asset from trading Lonzo (like a great pick and/or a really solid young player that doesn’t play PG). For sake of argument lets say Josh Jackson for Lonzo so Ingram + Kuz + Jackson

2. If LA isn’t willing to move all 3 of Ingram, Kuz and Ball or can’t, then SA gets Ingram + Kuz for Kawhi and then also gets Julius in a S&T for Pau AND Mills (since Pau can be flipped easily if they needed to or waived next year).

[offset formation]

Sign and trade Randle + Ball to Wolves, Kawhi +Gasol to Lakers, KAT, Ingram, Kuzma to Spurs? :lol

Now that would be intriguing. Wodbe nice to have a big that can score alongside LMA

[Mugen]

The deal has to be one of two things for me to be happy with Kawhi getting his way:

1. Ingram + Kuz + a good asset from trading Lonzo (like a great pick and/or a really solid young player that doesn’t play PG). For sake of argument lets say Josh Jackson for Lonzo so Ingram + Kuz + Jackson

2. If LA isn’t willing to move all 3 of Ingram, Kuz and Ball or can’t, then SA gets Ingram + Kuz for Kawhi and then also gets Julius in a S&T for Pau AND Mills (since Pau can be flipped easily if they needed to or waived next year).

#1 isn't realistic and #2 is straight trash homie.

[LkrFan]

I hope not either since Magic is HIV positive.

:lol

[baseline bum]

Have a look at Jason Kidd's numbers as a Rookie.
Kidd: 11.7ppg, 38% 5.4reb. 7.7ast
Ball: 10.2ppg 36% 6.9reb 7.2ast

Ball is a combo guard. A Diaw of guards. A manu without the scoring (yet). His shot is broken, but its actually his lower body and not the shot mechanics in the wrist. I am sure it could be fixed. And I am sure Buford has asked English if he could fix Ball's shot. If the answer is yes, then you are going to get a good player.

Ball is a hell of a talent but no way the Spurs are going to want to deal with his father's bullshit. If Lavar had a heart attack tomorrow I think Lonzo would be a much better prospect than Brown and without that circus he'd be someone I'd be comfortable with as the centerpiece of a Leonard trade. But if there was no Lavar, Lonzo would likely be untouchable.

[RD2191]

So the plan is max out players the other team doesn't want? You think the Mills and Gasol contracts are bad wait until seeing Randle and Ingram on max deals.

What choice do the Spurs have? Hell they might turn out to be good to great players. Pop is gone in a few seasons anyways and we'll really be fucked then. Looks like this shit is over tbh :lol

[baseline bum]

What choice do the Spurs have? Hell they might turn out to be good to great players. Pop is gone in a few seasons anyways and we'll really be fucked then. Looks like this shit is over tbh :lol

It's over either way rob.

[Mr. Body]

The deal has to be one of two things for me to be happy with Kawhi getting his way:

1. Ingram + Kuz + a good asset from trading Lonzo (like a great pick and/or a really solid young player that doesn’t play PG). For sake of argument lets say Josh Jackson for Lonzo so Ingram + Kuz + Jackson

2. If LA isn’t willing to move all 3 of Ingram, Kuz and Ball or can’t, then SA gets Ingram + Kuz for Kawhi and then also gets Julius in a S&T for Pau AND Mills (since Pau can be flipped easily if they needed to or waived next year).

I don't think you're going to be very happy...

[Clipper Nation]

What choice do the Spurs have?

If you're getting trash in return no matter what, you could choose to get trash from a team that isn't the Lakers, tbh.

[KDKSpurs24]

I agree. You're going to enjoy paying a max salary to Ingram in two years when he's at best a Millsap level player? Or you let him walk and then you got less than nothing since you spent two years developing him? People overrate B-level talent on rookie contracts so much here. Everyone loves these guys until they get their first real contract they negotiate.
But the same can be said about people hating on this guy until he develops and proves them wrong. Both are possibilities. I saw an earlier tweet about when a guy said Pacers didn’t get any good assets for Paul George and then people started defending Oladipo. But the truth is, the guy was right. Oladipo had just come off a terrible playoffs and no one could have seen the leap he’d make this year. So there still is that possibility that we get that type of development from Ingram. And better yet, our deal would also have Kuzma. The benefit is that we could have TWO guys develop to that level from our trade. But at the end of the day, we’re not gonna be getting an equal trade right now but maybe it could turn out to be a good return for us in the future, especially if our development team lives up to their hype.

[tbdog]

Ball is a hell of a talent but no way the Spurs are going to want to deal with his father's bullshit. If Lavar had a heart attack tomorrow I think Lonzo would be a much better prospect than Brown and without that circus he'd be someone I'd be comfortable with as the centerpiece of a Leonard trade. But if there was no Lavar, Lonzo would likely be untouchable.

Yeah I agree. But in saying that, I still think Lonzo is Spurs system is a dream for him, and him alone (not with his dad attached) And if his dad is too much, or believe he will be too much and won't stay away, I still think you can nab a prospect like Jackson from the Suns.

[RD2191]

It's over either way rob.

Don't say that! Don't ever say that! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl harbor?!?!? :pctoss

[Vic Petro]

They ain’t trading Mills. Must protect the culture at all costs :pop:

[tbdog]

#1 isn't realistic and #2 is straight trash homie.

Why isn't one realistic? Push comes to shove, Magic Johnson says yes.

[DPG21920]

#1 isn't realistic and #2 is straight trash homie.

Meh. We will see. If you were LA would you trade Ingram, Kuz and Ball for Lebron and Kawhi? Also, I’m higher on Julius more than most. I don’t love Ingram but he’s a legit prospect.

If you can get Ingram/Julius those are both solid young pieces and rid yourself of Pau/Mills money completely?

[daslicer]

But the same can be said about people hating on this guy until he develops and proves them wrong. Both are possibilities. I saw an earlier tweet about when a guy said Pacers didn’t get any good assets for Paul George and then people started defending Oladipo. But the truth is, the guy was right. Oladipo had just come off a terrible playoffs and no one could have seen the leap he’d make this year. So there still is that possibility that we get that type of development from Ingram. And better yet, our deal would also have Kuzma. The benefit is that we could have TWO guys develop to that level from our trade. But at the end of the day, we’re not gonna be getting an equal trade right now but maybe it could turn out to be a good return for us in the future, especially if our development team lives up to their hype.

Pacers won their deal because PG when he's healthy is not a top 3 NBA player. Kawhi when healthy is the second best player in the league. The Lakers would get him in his prime and would get to win a few championships with him while the Spurs are 99 percent likely not to ever win a title with Ingram/Kuzma. Trust me seeing Kawhi win at the Spurs expense will be every painful especially in a Lakers jersey. It will be a shittier feeling that will be a 100x worse than when the Spurs would lose to the Lakers in the playoffs during the Duncan era. It will be like the bs Gasol trade for the Grizzlies granted Marc turned out to be a good player but he was never as good as prime Pau. Also the best the Grizzlies got with that trade was going to the WCF and getting swept.

[lmbebo]

Now that would be intriguing. Wodbe nice to have a big that can score alongside LMA

KAT on spurs would be great, but I think Minny is looking to dump Wiggins, not KAT ...

[MannyIsGod]

I agree. You're going to enjoy paying a max salary to Ingram in two years when he's at best a Millsap level player? Or you let him walk and then you got less than nothing since you spent two years developing him? People overrate B-level talent on rookie contracts so much here. Everyone loves these guys until they get their first real contract they negotiate.


Its a risk for sure, but the Spurs aren't going to completely blow it up until Pop retires so you probably have a two year window before a true rebuild anyway. No one expected Kawhi to be great, and Ingram DOES have promise. They also have the option of trading him in the future as well. I"m all for the Spurs doing what Boston has done, and simply collecting assets and let the rest work itself out.

[spurs10]

Don't say that! Don't ever say that! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl harbor?!?!? :pctoss :lol We never surrendered to the Japanese at Waterloo!! Did we?? :ihit

[Ron Swanson]

Don't say that! Don't ever say that! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl harbor?!?!? :pctoss

Forget it. He's rolling.

[Mugen]

Man, at least I end up being right that the Pop and RC would cave to the Lakers :lol

What a stupid fucking move if they end up trading him to LA before Free agency, clown ass front office....

[baseline bum]

Its a risk for sure, but the Spurs aren't going to completely blow it up until Pop retires so you probably have a two year window before a true rebuild anyway. No one expected Kawhi to be great, and Ingram DOES have promise. They also have the option of trading him in the future as well. I"m all for the Spurs doing what Boston has done, and simply collecting assets and let the rest work itself out.

Kawhi's rookie year was a lot better than anything Ingram has ever done. The Celtics got picks from lottery teams from trading old stiffs like Pierce and Garnett. Nothing the Lakers have proposed can match that. If you want to do what Boston has done the last thing you do is take Kuzma and Ingram for your star.

[daslicer]

Kawhi's rookie year was a lot better than anything Ingram has ever done. The Celtics got picks from lottery teams from trading old stiffs like Pierce and Garnett. Nothing the Lakers have proposed can match that. If you want to do what Boston has done the last thing you do is take Kuzma and Ingram for your star.

Also factor in the Nets were shitty so the Celtics ended up with good picks. The Lakers with Kawhi would also form a super team which would lead to shitty picks in return.

[marinoman]

Doubt this

1012164344694693894

[baseline bum]

Forget it. He's rolling.

Greg honey, is it supposed to be this soft?

[Mr. Body]

Man, at least I end up being right that the Pop and RC would cave to the Lakers :lol

What a stupid fucking move if they end up trading him to LA before Free agency, clown ass front office....

Nothing's happened. This is all LA FO and ESPN bullshit. Put the gun down.

[palangi]

Lakers get kawhi and Pau

Spurs get ingram, kuzma, Wagner, next year's first, and Thomas Bryant

Trade tony and mills for future picks

PG- murray, white, Forbes
SG- green, Walker, hilliard
SF- ingram, kuzma, blossomgame
PF- Wagner, metu, LJC
C- Aldridge, mulitinov, bryant

[RD2191]

:lol We never surrendered to the Japanese at Waterloo!! Did we?? :ihit


Forget it. He's rolling.

:tu :lol

[Ron Swanson]

Greg honey, is it supposed to be this soft?

:lmao

Classic movie.

[BillMc]

Sign and trade Randle + Ball to Wolves, Kawhi +Gasol to Lakers, KAT, Ingram, Kuzma to Spurs? :lol

Wolves wouldn't do it, but I'd take that. Spurs get a young core, but KAT +LMA gives them a fierce frontcourt that would keep them a playoff team at the same time.

[keithington1]

Ingram is a must get in any Laker trade.

[mystargtr34]

If I was RC I would tell the Lakers to get fucked unless it’s Ingram + Kuzma + Lonzo + 1st.. then flip Lonzo and his retarded dad for a another high 1st to a shit team or a high end prospect like Josh Jackson..

The Lakers are essentially trading for Lebron and Kawhi.. not just Kawhi.. they know it .. and the Spurs will have that in the back back of their mind.

I wouldn’t take anything less than the above if im dealing with the Lakers as I agree with posters above who say Ingram and Kuzma are B and C level prospects at best and theyll prob get max offers when they’re due.... just getting these two for Kawhi is a shitty deal and just sets the Spurs up for mediocrity for the next 5 years..

If Lakers say no I’d rather deal with Celts and Philly for lesser packages..

Fuck the Lakers.

[BillMc]

Greg honey, is it supposed to be this soft?
:lol

[daslicer]

If I was RC I would tell the Lakers to get fucked unless it’s Ingram + Kuzma + Lonzo + 1st.. then flip Lonzo and his retarded dad for a another high 1st to a shit team or a high end prospect like Josh Jackson..

The Lakers are essentially trading for Lebron and Kawhi.. not just Kawhi.. they know it .. and the Spurs will have that in the back back of their mind.

I wouldn’t take anything less than the above if im dealing with the Lakers as I agree with posters above who say Ingram and Kuzma are B and C level prospects at best and theyll prob get max offers when they’re due.... just getting these two for Kawhi is a shitty deal and just sets the Spurs up for mediocrity for the next 5 years..

If Lakers say no I’d rather deal with Celts and Philly for lesser packages..

Fuck the Lakers.

Why even do this trade in the first place with the Lakers? You said it best basically the Spurs are trading Kawhi and Lebron to the Lakers. That's a lose lose deal in which the Spurs will look like idiots for years to come especially when the Lakers are beating the Spurs regularly in the playoffs.

[TekXX]

What is the NBA doing to pressure the Spurs to make the LA trade? You know they're trying somehow.

[baseline bum]

If I was RC I would tell the Lakers to get fucked unless it’s Ingram + Kuzma + Lonzo + 1st.. then flip Lonzo and his retarded dad for a another high 1st to a shit team or a high end prospect like Josh Jackson..

The Lakers are essentially trading for Lebron and Kawhi.. not just Kawhi.. they know it .. and the Spurs will have that in the back back of their mind.

I wouldn’t take anything less than the above if im dealing with the Lakers as I agree with posters above who say Ingram and Kuzma are B and C level prospects at best and theyll prob get max offers when they’re due.... just getting these two for Kawhi is a shitty deal and just sets the Spurs up for mediocrity for the next 5 years..

If Lakers say no I’d rather deal with Celts and Philly for lesser packages..

Fuck the Lakers.

If the Spurs just take Magic's crap in exchange for our Hall of Famer before free agency gets sorted out I'm done with this team. RC can't possibly be that stupid.

[daslicer]

If the Spurs just take Magic's crap in exchange for our Hall of Famer before free agency gets sorted out I'm done with this team. RC can't possibly be that stupid.

Agreed I'm retiring my spurs fandom if the Spurs trade Kawhi to the Lakers. I will just have no NBA team from this point forward if this trade goes down. I can't root for a team that straight up gets cucked it goes against my personal beliefs.

[mystargtr34]

Why even do this trade in the first place with the Lakers? You said it best basically the Spurs are trading Kawhi and Lebron to the Lakers. That's a lose lose deal in which the Spurs will look like idiots for years to come especially when the Lakers are beating the Spurs regularly in the playoffs.

I still probably wouldn’t .. I’d wait for AIDS to accept the deal then screenshot the email to Philly and Boston and say if you can beat this you got Kawhi :lol.

[DPG21920]

I mean, I hate it, but Ingram + Kuz + Ball (the asset) is not bad. With some other moves, SA can be really good IMO. If LA loses those guys and adds Kawhi/Bron they will be sick, but they will be beatable without a third star (which they may get, who knows).

[BillMc]

If the Spurs just take Magic's crap in exchange for our Hall of Famer before free agency gets sorted out I'm done with this team. RC can't possibly be that stupid.

Hopefully, its just a game to drive up the price from some Eastern team. Or the media is just exaggerating the depth of conversation. It does kinda seem they may have decided they can't keep KL though and begun to move on.

[baseline bum]

Agreed I'm retiring my spurs fandom if the Spurs trade Kawhi to the Lakers. I will just have no NBA team from this point forward if this trade goes down. I can't root for a team that straight up gets cucked it goes against my personal beliefs.

I wouldn't go that far. If LeBron stays in Cleveland it could very well end up the Lakers make the best offer. But if they do that retarded trade now there is no point in being a Spurs fan, since they'll never be good again if they're doing something so incompetent as handing Leonard to LA when free agency could completely change the trade market for Kawhi.

[cjw]

We aren’t getting a superstar for khawi. So the goal should be getting as many shots at getting a star in the future as possible. Nothing on the Lakers accomplishes this. Ingram and kuzma are solid starters but I don’t see either developing into a star. At least philly gives us a couple of shots at getting a star. The Miami pick hopefully turns into a top pick. Fultz may turn into a bust but he is only a year away from the consensus #1 pick.

This 100%. If these guys just project out to decent starters but not potential stars (key word “potential”) you don’t want to tie yourself to them. Quantity is not quality. Kuzma is cost-controlled and counting stats are fine, but he was a turnover machine last year and is still raw. Ingram can’t stay healthy and will start being expensive very soon. Given the cap crunch, will they be that much better than what you can pick up in free agency? And long term, who knows if you’re being dealt a KQ suited or an 87 offsuit?

If Lonzo can be traded with an unprotected draft pick coming back, this becomes instantly more interesting.

[marinoman]

Just don’t do anything, let LeBron and pg go wherever first, getting kuzma and Ingram plus wtvr other shit isn’t worth giving the lakers a superteam

[Mugen]

If the Spurs just take Magic's crap in exchange for our Hall of Famer before free agency gets sorted out I'm done with this team. RC can't possibly be that stupid.

Yup. If RC and Pop just flat out cave at this point, I'll be happily done with the team.

[mystargtr34]

I mean, I hate it, but Ingram + Kuz + Ball (the asset) is not bad. With some other moves, SA can be really good IMO. If LA loses those guys and adds Kawhi/Bron they will be sick, but they will be beatable without a third star (which they may get, who knows).

The key to the deal is what you can get for Lonzo i.e a high 1st or another high end prospect.. Lonzo himself I don’t want .. His value may not be that high unfortunately due to the Lavar factor.

[Mugen]

:lol That final stage of acceptance where you talk yourself into thinking the Lakers trash isn't that bad. I'm hoping Pop and RC won't cuck out like a lot of people on this board but they probably will.

[baseline bum]

The key to the deal is what you can get for Lonzo i.e a high 1st or another high end prospect.. Lonzo himself I don’t want .. His value may not be that high unfortunately due to the Lavar factor.

I don't want that uncertainty. You make Magic go out and get something you want with Lonzo as the bait.

[Gino20]

Interesting start to this. Says Kawhi isn’t that enamored w/a potential paparazzi-like atmosphere playing in LA w/LeBron.

-Michael Wright Tweet which is based on SAS’ podcast

[look_at_g_shred]

Is Kawhi even healthy? The Lakers seem like the type to not even double check that before trading for him.

[Mr. Body]

Interesting start to this. Says Kawhi isn’t that enamored w/a potential paparazzi-like atmosphere playing in LA w/LeBron.

-Michael Wright Tweet which is based on SAS’ podcast

Haha, fuck this choad.

[NASpurs]

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[TekXX]

Don't give up on the Spurs yet. Maybe Pop is just trolling Kawhi with this supposed Laker deal.

[mystargtr34]

Agree.

[Hoops Czar]

I mean, I hate it, but Ingram + Kuz + Ball (the asset) is not bad. With some other moves, SA can be really good IMO. If LA loses those guys and adds Kawhi/Bron they will be sick, but they will be beatable without a third star (which they may get, who knows).

If they flipped Lonzo for Kyrie, it wouldn't be bad but Lonzo andhis high rolling father would be a three year rental.

[MannyIsGod]

Kawhi's rookie year was a lot better than anything Ingram has ever done. The Celtics got picks from lottery teams from trading old stiffs like Pierce and Garnett. Nothing the Lakers have proposed can match that. If you want to do what Boston has done the last thing you do is take Kuzma and Ingram for your star.

You act like the Spurs are doing this by choice. We all know this fucking sucks man. The point is you take the best deal possible. You don't sit there and say go fuck yourself for the sake of saying go fuck yourself. I don't care what Ingram's stats are on a shit team. Kawhi had the big 3 and Pop to learn from but you act like Ingram didn't have a good second year. He's young. Same with Kuzma.

THey've got potential. Is it an ideal trade? No. But it might be the best the Spurs can get.

[Marcus Bryant]

You guys don't have the right frame of mind. This is fucking hysterical.

[Ron Swanson]

Well, Kawhi, you shouldn't have let your uncle dictate what you should do or where you should play.

[baseline bum]

So Kawhi wants to go to the Lakers but doesn't want all the hollywood crap that comes with it? Maybe this guy really is a retarded autist.

[mystargtr34]

:lol That final stage of acceptance where you talk yourself into thinking the Lakers trash isn't that bad. I'm hoping Pop and RC won't cuck out like a lot of people on this board but they probably will.

Tbh if I had a choice with a gun to my head of Lakers offer of Ingram + Kuzma + Lonzo or a second round pick from any other team in prob taking the second rounder.

[MannyIsGod]

If the Spurs just take Magic's crap in exchange for our Hall of Famer before free agency gets sorted out I'm done with this team. RC can't possibly be that stupid.

This is the kind of shit that gets you called a spoiled ass fan.

[Gino20]

Kawhi doing a 180 :lol

[daslicer]

:lol That final stage of acceptance where you talk yourself into thinking the Lakers trash isn't that bad. I'm hoping Pop and RC won't cuck out like a lot of people on this board but they probably will.

It will be even more funny when these fans start bitching about how much these guys suck during the season and how the Spurs should have never traded Kawhi. It's amazing how great the media is at brainwashing people.

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs aren't trading shit, and that includes Leonard.

[baseline bum]

I knew 2Cleva would duck my questions again about forming that Laker superteam. Dude's like a low information 2016 Trumptard saying how Donald was going to deliver cheap great healthcare that was going to cover everybody.

[Hoops Czar]

Interesting start to this. Says Kawhi isn’t that enamored w/a potential paparazzi-like atmosphere playing in LA w/LeBron.

-Michael Wright Tweet which is based on SAS’ podcast

Then he's going to hate playing in LA. The paparazzi atmosphere will be there with or without Lebron.

[dabom]

Spurs aren't trading shit, and that includes Leonard.

[marinoman]

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So now am I supposed to root for bron to lakers?

[DPG21920]

I’m just competitive (even though I have no impact :lol). I want Kawhi gone and I’m ready for SA to do what they can. I don’t think SA will rush, I think it will be 10-14 more days if at all, but like I said, if it’s Ingram + Kuz + Josh Jackson (or something like that using Ball), I don’t see how SA fans can be mad?

I mean, I hate Kawhi and I’m mad at the situation but I would not be mad at SA for that trade.

[RD2191]

:lol We never surrendered to the Japanese at Waterloo!! Did we?? :ihit


:lol That final stage of acceptance where you talk yourself into thinking the Lakers trash isn't that bad. I'm hoping Pop and RC won't cuck out like a lot of people on this board but they probably will.

As I said earlier, name a better player than Ingram/Kuzma (sans Kawhi and LMA) currently on the Spurs roster.

[NASpurs]

The guy is being pulled from both directions and the direction that his uncle is in doesn’t fit his personality and interests. But yeah Kawhi, uncle knows best and only has your interests in mind. :lol fucking man-child

[baseline bum]

This is the kind of shit that gets you called a spoiled ass fan.

If they're forced to take the Lakers trade later on that's different. To go running in to take it right now would be retarded.

[RD2191]

Wrong qoute my bad spurs10 :lol

[MannyIsGod]

:lol That final stage of acceptance where you talk yourself into thinking the Lakers trash isn't that bad. I'm hoping Pop and RC won't cuck out like a lot of people on this board but they probably will.

If he really doesn't to be here, then its just not going to end well. If he really isn't going to sign anywhere but LA, then the options are really limited. Its going to be a shit sandwich either way so I'm going to hope that if they trade for Ingram and Kuzma that those two actually turn into something down the line.

[marinoman]

Then he's going to hate playing in LA. The paparazzi atmosphere will be there with or without Lebron.
Seriously! Does he realize what a big market like la and ny are like?

[MannyIsGod]

If they're forced to take the Lakers trade later on that's different. To go running in to take it right now would be retarded.

How would you ever know which was the case?

[Marcus Bryant]

What's that Magic? You have a test tomorrow and you need the answers?

[tbdog]

I'm hearing on the vine that lakers pushing Ingram + Lonzo + Kuzma + Hart + Wagner + Deng for Kawhi and one of Mills or Gasol. Spurs counter without Deng for Gasol, then that's the best we can get unless sixers counter with Simmons.

[MannyIsGod]

I’m just competitive (even though I have no impact :lol). I want Kawhi gone and I’m ready for SA to do what they can. I don’t think SA will rush, I think it will be 10-14 more days if at all, but like I said, if it’s Ingram + Kuz + Josh Jackson (or something like that using Ball), I don’t see how SA fans can be mad?

I mean, I hate Kawhi and I’m mad at the situation but I would not be mad at SA for that trade.

It is what it is. We were spoiled with the big 3 and now we're coming to terms with how some of these players are. It'll be different, but there is something fun about watching a younger team emerge. It's been forever since we really had that with the Spurs. Hell maybe I've never even actually watched the Spurs play with that kind of a team. They always had Drob and Duncan during my tenure as a fan.

[RD2191]

You act like the Spurs are doing this by choice. We all know this fucking sucks man. The point is you take the best deal possible. You don't sit there and say go fuck yourself for the sake of saying go fuck yourself. I don't care what Ingram's stats are on a shit team. Kawhi had the big 3 and Pop to learn from but you act like Ingram didn't have a good second year. He's young. Same with Kuzma.

THey've got potential. Is it an ideal trade? No. But it might be the best the Spurs can get.

Pretty much :tu

[Mugen]

Kuzma is straight fucking trash. That hasn't changed in a week.

[baseline bum]

How would you ever know which was the case?

By when it happened. If LeBron stays in Cleveland then the Lakers have a ton of leverage and the Spurs probably will have to do the trade. If he doesn't it can get really difficult for the Lakers to keep a slot open to sign Leonard next summer and their leverage goes to shit.

[kjhip1]

So now am I supposed to root for bron to lakers?

I mean I get how Lebron hasn’t really played for a good coach, but why the heck would he go to LA to play for Luke Walton?
I don’t see the rush in Spurs trading Kawhi at least until September. And if they are adamant about not trading to LA, then they Will take their time.

It’s beyond childish if it’s true the Kawhi does not to want to step in the locker room. Dude hasn’t even said a word. This is all too weird. Something doesn’t add up. I think we are in for a huge surprise and everything that has been out in the news is a smokescreen.

[DPG21920]

Hell no! If SA only gets Kuz + Ingram I will be pissed. If they touch Deng I will be pissed. They only can take all 3 of Ball/Ingram/Kuz and hopefully its LA doing the work to move Ball so SA gets that third asset they want.

Anything other than that or taking out Ball for Julius while eating Pau/Mills can GTFO IMO.

[TekXX]

I'm hearing on the vine that lakers pushing Ingram + Lonzo + Kuzma + Hart + Wagner + Deng for Kawhi and one of Mills or Gasol. Spurs counter without Deng for Gasol, then that's the best we can get unless sixers counter with Simmons.

Let's just keep Kawhi for the year. They want to trade their whole damn team, the spurs did better than that team without Kawhi.

[Vic Petro]

Some kool aid drinking folks in this thread talking themselves into this Laker shit

[Play Boban]

I'm hearing on the vine that lakers pushing Ingram + Lonzo + Kuzma + Hart + Wagner + Deng for Kawhi and one of Mills or Gasol. Spurs counter without Deng for Gasol, then that's the best we can get unless sixers counter with Simmons.
Lots of cancer and trash there.

[RD2191]

Some kool aid drinking folks in this thread talking themselves into this Laker shit

They're shit is better than the Spurs shit tbh

[look_at_g_shred]

They're shit is better than the Spurs shit tbh
Forreal.

[baseline bum]

Some kool aid drinking folks in this thread talking themselves into this Laker shit

Fucking crazy to read.

[Mugen]

Hell no! If SA only gets Kuz + Ingram I will be pissed. If they touch Deng I will be pissed. They only can take all 3 of Ball/Ingram/Kuz and hopefully its LA doing the work to move Ball so SA gets that third asset they want.

Anything other than that or taking out Ball for Julius while eating Pau/Mills can GTFO IMO.

:lol Deepz, you'll talk yourself into it sooner or later. You're a lifer.

[Ice009]

Fuck the Lakers and their gutter trash. Ainge needs to up his offer. I'd take Kyrie and Jaylen Brown at this point over the Lakers garbage.

[MannyIsGod]

By when it happened. If LeBron stays in Cleveland then the Lakers have a ton of leverage and the Spurs probably will have to do the trade. If he doesn't it can get really difficult for the Lakers to keep a slot open to sign Leonard next summer and their leverage goes to shit.

I see what you're saying. Yeah, I don't think the Lakers will give up much unless Lebron is coming. We'll see how it plays out I guess.

[RD2191]

Fucking crazy to read.

What options do the Spurs have? Let him walk for nothing?

[DPG21920]

:lol Deepz, you'll talk yourself into it sooner or later. You're a lifer.

Nah - I have standards. I mean, I’m a lifer, but I will b*tch hard about the trade if I think it sucks :lol

[Amuseddaysleeper]

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[ducks]

Then he's going to hate playing in LA. The paparazzi atmosphere will be there with or without Lebron.

Green needs to call Leonard and say media will be much tougher on him in la then sa

[tbdog]

Lots of cancer and trash there.

Don't care for Hart and Wagner is their 1st round pick. You can flip them for something of need as we got a lot of guards.

[Robz4000]

Grim times for Spurfan.

[Mugen]

Some kool aid drinking folks in this thread talking themselves into this Laker shit

Yup, fucking sad.

[Leetonidas]

Lol @ this tool thinking without lebron he's gonna be a low key superstar in fucking LA playing as their first superstar since prime Kobe and not expect a media circus. Dude is dumb af

[daslicer]

One of the few positives is if this trade goes down is that I will no longer to be committed to the Spurs and will just be a fan of the NBA. No more having to be upset or care about any of the moves PATFO makes.

[RGMCSE]

Fuck the Lakers and their gutter trash. Ainge needs to up his offer. I'd take Kyrie and Jaylen Brown at this point over the Lakers garbage.


Same here. Fuck the lakers. I rather trade with an east coast team out of pure pettiness and spite.

[Mugen]

Nah - I have standards. I mean, I’m a lifer, but I will b*tch hard about the trade if I think it sucks :lol

:lol I just want you to be happy D, you're good peepz.

[Down Under]

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Dennis panicking he might get actually get dealt.

[CP48107]

I remembered when Kawhi was first drafted and how he turned into a super star for the Spurs. After hearing the rumor that he is adamant to "never" step into the Spurs locker room again makes me sad. The Spurs organization and fans do not deserve this.

[tbdog]

Fuck the Lakers and their gutter trash. Ainge needs to up his offer. I'd take Kyrie and Jaylen Brown at this point over the Lakers garbage.

Irving is on an expiring and favoured to go to NY. Essentially you will end up with Brown who is inferior to Ingram. While you could get Ingram, ball and Kuzma.

[baseline bum]

What options do the Spurs have? Let him walk for nothing?

The option is to wait out free agency and re-evaluate the market rather than trading him while the market is terrible. You really think Kuzma + Ingram won't be there in 2-3 weeks? The trade offers can't get any worse than they are now. I don't know why you're so eager to make moves based on Magic's timeline and LeBron's timeline. Buford's job isn't to build a super team in LA, that's Magic's job. If Magic can flip Ball for a great asset the Spurs really want then maybe it's enough to forget about Boston and Philly. But as of now there isn't much reason to do something so early.

[ducks]

Who misses out on big star fas may give up more for Leonard the

[RD2191]

I remembered when Kawhi was first drafted and how he turned into a super star for the Spurs. After hearing the rumor that he is adamant to "never" step into the Spurs locker room again makes me sad. The Spurs organization and fans do not deserve this.

Kawhi owes S.A. jack shit tbh. And in the words of William Munny, "deserves got nothing to do with it".

[LakerHater]

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bki1JUKA9i5/

[DPG21920]

Let’s start talking about who would want Lonzo Ball :lol

PHX for Jackson?
ORL for Bamba?
MEM for Jaren Jackson?

[Mugen]

The option is to wait out free agency and re-evaluate the market rather than trading him while the market is terrible. You really think Kuzma + Ingram won't be there in 2-3 weeks? The trade offers can't get any worse than they are now. I don't know why you're so eager to make moves based on Magic's timeline and LeBron's timeline. Buford's job isn't to build a super team in LA, that's Magic's job. If Magic can flip Ball for a great asset the Spurs really want then maybe it's enough to forget about Boston and Philly. But as of now there isn't much reason to do something so early.

Because rob isn't it for the basketball, i doubt he really understands much of what's going on. He's here for the trolling and the attention and we give it to him because he's trying to make a better life for himself and we're good people tbh :lol

[RD2191]

The option is to wait out free agency and re-evaluate the market rather than trading him while the market is terrible. You really think Kuzma + Ingram won't be there in 2-3 weeks? The trade offers can't get any worse than they are now. I don't know why you're so eager to make moves based on Magic's timeline and LeBron's timeline. Buford's job isn't to build a super team in LA, that's Magic's job. If Magic can flip Ball for a great asset the Spurs really want then maybe it's enough to forget about Boston and Philly. But as of now there isn't much reason to do something so early.

We don't even know what Philly/Boston are offering tbh. Could be back shit. And I'm in no rush, im responding to those saying the Spurs should let Kawhi walk for nothing. That's idiotic.

[TekXX]

Spurs should keep Kawhi and hope he changes his mind.

[baseline bum]

Kawhi owes S.A. jack shit tbh. And in the words of William Munny, "deserves got nothing to do with it".

Technically he owes SA one more year of play since he's under contract. If he was a free agent I'd say he doesn't owe the Spurs anything but he's not, he has a guaranteed contract.

[Hoops Czar]

Green needs to call Leonard and say media will be much tougher on him in la then sa
Leonard's uncle is trying to furnish his own brand and I think Kawhi is caught in the middle between family and business.

Leonard only wants to play in LA but he wants to keep a low profile. :lol He has no idea of the journey he's about to embark on.

[DPG21920]

Kawhi owes S.A. jack shit tbh. And in the words of William Munny, "deserves got nothing to do with it".

Bullsh*t. He owes the Spurs 2 years. He signed a damn deal and he should honor his contract and play hard while being paid. At a minimum.

Let alone the fact he owes them to be open and honest which he has not been.

[RD2191]

Because rob isn't it for the basketball, i doubt he really understands much of what's going on. He's here for the trolling and the attention and we give it to him because he's trying to make a better life for himself and we're good people tbh :lol

You can't even answer one of my simple questions. And ok basketball savant, what should the Spurs do?

[Ice009]

Irving is on an expiring and favoured to go to NY. Essentially you will end up with Brown who is inferior to Ingram. While you could get Ingram, ball and Kuzma.

You'd ask Irving for an agreement on a contract extension before going ahead with the trade.

[Mugen]

You can't even answer one of my simple questions. And ok basketball savant, what should the Spurs do?

Shhh shhh, you're getting a lot of attention bruh. This is good times.

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[RD2191]

Technically he owes SA one more year of play since he's under contract. If he was a free agent I'd say he doesn't owe the Spurs anything but he's not, he has a guaranteed contract.


Bullsh*t. He owes the Spurs 2 years. He signed a damn deal and he should honor his contract and play hard while being paid. At a minimum.

Let alone the fact he owes them to be open and honest which he has not been.

Fuck all that, my William Munny qoute was on point.

[RGMCSE]

We don't even know what Philly/Boston are offering tbh. Could be back shit. And I'm in no rush, im responding to those saying the Spurs should let Kawhi walk for nothing. That's idiotic.

By this point I really don’t give a fuck. I don’t want the Spurs a storied rich franchise a winning franchise setting the fucking market. That’s Suns level cuckage. Let the mother fucker sit and pout on the bench for a full year then go crawling to the lakers like the fucking cacaroach that he is.

[RD2191]

Shhh shhh, you're getting a lot of attention bruh. This is good times.

http://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/petting-gif-5.gif

Don't bitch out now. I see you shitting on all these trade proposals without any of your own. What's the big plan for the Spurs? Come on, you're here to talk hoops aren't you?

[RD2191]

By this point I really don’t give a fuck. I don’t want the Spurs a storied rich franchise a winning franchise setting the fucking market. That’s Suns level cuckage. Let the mother fucker sit and pout on the bench for a full year then go crawling to the lakers like the fucking cacaroach that he is.

And that leaves the Spurs with what? Getting fucked and empty handed? :lol

[Mugen]

Don't bitch out now. I see you shitting on all these trade proposals without any of your own. What's the big plan for the Spurs? Come on, you're here to talk hoops aren't you?

rob, this is my last one but after that I'm capped out. Basketball discussions are for the ones who aren't here for the straight trolling and attention whoring.

You're my guy, and you're a good kid who doesn't really believe most of the shit you say. So this is it, OK?

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[marinoman]

Can’t wait to see LMA in a gatorade commercial dancing to “Now I do what I want”

[daslicer]

We don't even know what Philly/Boston are offering tbh. Could be back shit. And I'm in no rush, im responding to those saying the Spurs should let Kawhi walk for nothing. That's idiotic.
Teams never win when it comes to trading their superstars.

1. Bucks traded Jabbar for crap to the Lakers way back in the day and haven't been a title contender since then.
2. Hornets traded Alonzo Mourning to the Heat for Glen Rice. Hornets only enjoyed a few years of being a threadmill team while the Heat ultimately got to be an elite team and eventually a championship team.
3. Lakers got hosed in the Shaq trade. They looked stupid for years up until the Gasol trade happened.
4. The Magic traded Dwight to the Lakers for scraps and have been a lottery team ever since. Granted it didn't' work out for the Lakers either since they fucked up Dwight's back which lead to him ultimately leaving.

It depends on your priorities. If you want the Spurs to be a threadmill team then I can see why you would be down with this trade.

[Hoops Czar]

Don't bitch out now. I see you shitting on all these trade proposals without any of your own. What's the big plan for the Spurs? Come on, you're here to talk hoops aren't you?

Dream scenario...

Celtics get:
Lonzo & Lavar Ball
Paddy Mills

Lakers get:
Kawhi Leonard

Spurs get:
Kuzma
Ingram
Kyrie
Lakers 2019 1st

[Robz4000]

rob, this is my last one but after that I'm capped out. Basketball discussions are for the ones who aren't here for the straight trolling and attention whoring.

You're my guy, and you're a good kid who doesn't really believe most of the shit you say. So this is it, OK?

https://media.giphy.com/media/ZxJrcYsQplrG0/giphy.gif

:lol damn, and I was really enjoying the dog gifs.

[Mr. Body]

We don't even know what Philly/Boston are offering tbh. Could be back shit. And I'm in no rush, im responding to those saying the Spurs should let Kawhi walk for nothing. That's idiotic.

Teams never win when it comes to trading their superstars.

1. Bucks traded Jabbar for crap to the Lakers way back in the day and haven't been a title contender since then.
2. Hornets traded Alonzo Mourning to the Heat for Glen Rice. Hornets only enjoyed a few years of being a threadmill team while the Heat ultimately got to be an elite team and eventually a championship team.
3. Lakers got hosed in the Shaq trade. They looked stupid for years up until the Gasol trade happened.
4. The Magic traded Dwight to the Lakers for scraps and have been a lottery team ever since. Granted it didn't' work out for the Lakers either since they fucked up Dwight's back which lead to him ultimately leaving.

It depends on your priorities. If you want the Spurs to be a threadmill team then I can see why you would be down with this trade.

The Paul George trade.

[Mugen]

:lol damn, and I was really enjoying the dog gifs.

Robz, I mean it. diaz is a good guy, I like him a lot and he does a good job of trolling Spurfan. But you don't get bball takes for free, you earn them.

[RGMCSE]

And that leaves the Spurs with what? Getting fucked and empty handed? :lol

You know what it gets them Puto? It gets them fucking dignity. It sends the message that signing a contract in SA means something. It means that if you want out your not getting your way by way of trade and strong arm tactics. Kawhi may get what he wants in 2019. But at least the spurs fuck him raw and he has to walk to LA more bow legged than Danny green after a bull ride.

[daslicer]

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The Paul George trade.

PG is overrated in my eyes. Kawhi is the second best player in the league when healthy.

[RD2191]

:lol damn, and I was really enjoying the dog gifs.

I fucking hate dogs tbh

[TimDunkem]

Spurs will need to eventually move him. Now is not the time though. Let others make the first move.

[RD2191]

You know what it gets them Puto? It gets them fucking dignity. It sends the message that signing a contract in SA means something. It means that if you want out your not getting your way by way of trade and strong arm tactics. Kawhi may get what he wants in 2019. But at least the spurs fuck him raw and he has to walk to LA more bow legged than Danny green after a bull ride.

So jack shit then. :lol

[Mugen]

And yeah , if you think Ingram and Kuz are actually good pieces, both those guys would be a phone call away from now until the trade deadline.

[Robz4000]

I fucking hate dogs tbh

Woah bruh, let's not say things we're going to regret, ok?