Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[FireMicoHalili]

The 9th Doctor? This is turning into a season of Dr. Who.

Anyone can doctor shop to get any outcome they want, Jabari.
Wow he does sound like Jabari. I hope Uncle Dennis pays him extra, this is superb work.

[MoSpur02]

If Kawhi is traded to say Charlotte just as an example, and decides to bolt after next season to sign with any of the two L.A teams, how much money would he lose as opposed to what he could make from the max if offered from the Spurs?

[spurschamps99030507]

please, you can not defend this rat and his group, it's not about wanting to go play different team, it's about it disappearing when he had two years left on his contract, he has faked an injury to disappear


At this point it is stupid to defend someone who does not do their job when they are being paid and their own teammates believe that he is faking an injury

the rat and his group destroyed any possibility of trade.... making public that wanted to go to the fakers, since then SA has no chance to get good players

so fuck the rat, fuck uncle dennis force him to show up if is not suspend him

[DPG21920]

We are not signing any Multi-year deals, homey.
Especially not with Randle's agent who just disrespected Magic.
No hard feelings on him staying in OKC but not giving magic a meeting was disresopectful but KCP at one year 12 is much better than paying PG teh max for 4.
Let Randle play out the QO on a year deal and we will send him to another team at deadline if he i still unhappy.

Magic taking a superstar for granted and not offering up a good trade to get him was the disrespectful part. LA has been really bad; bad ownership, bad in free agency and at best medicore in drafting. When a star says he wants to come there, you don’t take him for granted and let him die on the vine. You make an offer and bring him into the fold.

There is zero chance Randle plays our the QO. He will get offered a deal from another team and LA will have to decide on keeping him and eating up cap space next year or letting him walk for nothing.

My hope is they see this and do Ingram/Randle for Kawhi.

[MoSpur02]

I wonder why you still talk in present or future. There is no future between Kawhi and the Spurs. It's too late for that.

Because he is still under contract with the Spurs and if not traded he still has to be a part of the Spurs organization.

[YGWHI]

Spurs ponied up and gave Kawhi his MAX. Of course, he then only played, and looks to only play two seasons of the five, four if you count the option.

If you say the Spurs will max DJ...I have to assume they will, which is great. I would hate to see the Spurs losing their own guys season after season.

[FireMicoHalili]

This faggot YGWHI better be getting paid quite a sum by Uncle Dumbass for his semen-shielding, and I'm fuckin' serious. His dedication is absolutely mental :lol..
There’s some Bryan Colangelo voodoo going on here I love it. Jabari, find a new slant, please!

[YGWHI]

Because he is still under contract with the Spurs and if not traded he still has to be a part of the Spurs organization.
Until next week, next month, deadline...Both sides know it's just a matter of time.

[FireMicoHalili]

Until next week, next month, deadline...Both sides know it's just a matter of time.
Do you think writers from Pounding The Rock and Project Spurs constantly loiter here as well? And what is up with Mike Finger?

[Spurs9]

Why aren't we looking at a trade with the Hornets? Kemba/Monk/(MKG or Frank)? He would be under Jordan for his branding. That would be much more appealing to me than the Lakers/Philly trade. Let Jordan convince him to stay for a shoe deal.

[YGWHI]

If Kawhi is traded to say Charlotte just as an example, and decides to bolt after next season to sign with any of the two L.A teams, how much money would he lose as opposed to what he could make from the max if offered from the Spurs?

$80M. But he would play at home on a superteam in a bigger market with better endorsements. It's not like it sucks at all...

It's sad that MJ isn't that naive to think that Kawhi would stay and offer Kemba for him.

[Extra Stout]

The Spurs from a basketball standpoint are screwed, and their era of contention dating all the way back to 1989 is over. There is no outcome that can prevent the end.

What Kawhi is doing goes beyond basketball. If allowed to get away with it, it has huge repercussions on both the ownership and players and could herald the end of guaranteed contracts in the NBA.

Do not trade him. Anywhere.

They should keep their mouths shut, expect him to report to training camp, and see just how dumb and self-destructive he and his team are.

[BatManu20]

Been giving PATFO a lot of shit lately but kudos to them for not breaking and selling Kawhi for some shit package so far (*knock on wood*). Being patient is the key here. If the Lakers are giving the Spurs a deadline to make a deal for Kawhi deal then fuck them. Don’t fold. Let him show up to Training camp and go from there. Let LA waste a year of Lebron’s prime.

[YGWHI]

Do you think writers from Pounding The Rock and Project Spurs constantly loiter here as well?
I guess Kori and older ST members know this better than me but I'd say, yes.


And what is up with Mike Finger?
Who know, bro.

[Marcus Bryant]

Spurs ponied up and gave Kawhi his MAX. Of course, he then only played, and looks to only play two seasons of the five, four if you count the option.

Right. Somehow thousands of players have managed to honor long term contracts, even if they didn't want to be with the team they were on over the last couple of decades.

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs from a basketball standpoint are screwed, and their era of contention dating all the way back to 1989 is over. There is no outcome that can prevent the end.

What Kawhi is doing goes beyond basketball. If allowed to get away with it, it has huge repercussions on both the ownership and players and could herald the end of guaranteed contracts in the NBA.

Do not trade him. Anywhere.

They should keep their mouths shut, expect him to report to training camp, and see just how dumb and self-destructive he and his team are.

:tu

[Spurs9]

They are talking about Kawhi trade on undisputed now with stak5.

[lmbebo]

They are talking about Kawhi trade on undisputed now with stak5.

fill us in, no access to tv right now ..

[cd98]

Kawhi’s agent is an agent for football players. Holding out is a football thing. Unfortunately, the guy doesn’t represent any other NBA players, so he doesn’t have to worry about the damage he’s doing to the Spurs.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

They are talking about Kawhi trade on undisputed now with stak5.

Can you give us a summary once it’s over?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The Spurs from a basketball standpoint are screwed, and their era of contention dating all the way back to 1989 is over. There is no outcome that can prevent the end.

What Kawhi is doing goes beyond basketball. If allowed to get away with it, it has huge repercussions on both the ownership and players and could herald the end of guaranteed contracts in the NBA.

Do not trade him. Anywhere.

They should keep their mouths shut, expect him to report to training camp, and see just how dumb and self-destructive he and his team are.

:ace:ace

[LkrFan]

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:lol

[Mugen]

Yeah, i've brought it up before but pushing this along can have some serious ramifications on the CBA. Even when Vince Carter quit, he played out his contract and was just overall shitty on the floor. Plus he wanted out because the front office wasn't committed to winning. Kawhi's group does not have the luxury of that spin.

I highly doubt that RC/Pop would let it get to that point but maybe ownership steps in and tells them to hold their ground. What's to stop a future Spurs player or any other NBA player from pulling this shit again?

[Marcus Bryant]

Good, he can not be paid.

[Spurs9]

Basically he was saying if there is time left on a contract Pop would make a player play. He hasn’t heard anything from Kawhi actually saying he wanted out. They won’t be bullied into doing a trade. If Kawhi sits out again his rep will be tarnished further, he thinks Philly would be best for him. If there is a good enough trade on the table they would do it, he doesn’t see Pop ever trading him to the Lakers and have to play against him.

[cd98]

Spurs have til today to accept the Lakers’ offer, if reports on social media are true. If the Lakers don’t push through with that threat, they’ll look awfully weak and lose leverage again. I’m sure they have another deal lined up though, a lesser one but one which makes them substantially better than they currently are (which isn’t saying much, really).

Naw, someone will just tweet that the Lakers never gave a Monday deadline. So much disinformation out there it’s hard to know what’s going on.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Yeah, i've brought it up before but pushing this along can have some serious ramifications on the CBA. Even when Vince Carter quit, he played out his contract and was just overall shitty on the floor. Plus he wanted out because the front office wasn't committed to winning. Kawhi's group does not have the luxury of that spin.

I highly doubt that RC/Pop would let it get to that point but maybe ownership steps in and tells them to hold their ground. What's to stop a future Spurs player or any other NBA player from pulling this shit again?

Adam Silver would love Kawhi on the lakers and having another super team.
If anything I could see him encouraging the Spurs to trade Leonard.

[Dex]

Yeah, this seems like an awful lot of speculation around a quote from Stephen "Talks out of his A" Smith.

If Kawhi's camp really leaked this to try to increase leverage, they are dumber than we thought.

[Dex]

I also think that the Lebron move out West may incentivize East teams more, especially Philly. The East is wide open now that King James is gone. The time for them to strike is now.

[Clipper Nation]

Plus he wanted out because the front office wasn't committed to winning.
:lol No he didn't. He wanted out because the Raptors didn't hire Dr. J as their GM like he demanded. Plus, his mother was Toronto's version of Kawhi's uncle at the time:

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/169445/Vince-Carters-Mom-Runs-the-Raptors

[dbestpro]

I'd send his to the Clips before the Lakers. Dividing the talent rather than allowing it to conjoin is a better solution for the Spurs while they build on the fly.

[Mr. Body]

Adam Silver would love Kawhi on the lakers and having another super team.
If anything I could see him encouraging the Spurs to trade Leonard.

If this was David Stern, he'd be out there in the media talking about how it's not right that the Spurs are not letting LA have their way. Silver is different.

[Strategic]

The Spurs from a basketball standpoint are screwed, and their era of contention dating all the way back to 1989 is over. There is no outcome that can prevent the end. What Kawhi is doing goes beyond basketball. If allowed to get away with it, it has huge repercussions on both the ownership and players and could herald the end of guaranteed contracts in the NBA.Do not trade him. Anywhere.They should keep their mouths shut, expect him to report to training camp, and see just how dumb and self-destructive he and his team are. After the first paragraph, right on!

[KDKSpurs24]

Yeah, this seems like an awful lot of speculation around a quote from Stephen "Talks out of his A" Smith.

If Kawhi's camp really leaked this to try to increase leverage, they are dumber than we thought.
When I listened to it last night he made sure to say that he hadn’t heard it from Kawhi’s camp. He said it’s what some executives believed could be a possibility due to Kawhi’s personality.

[cjw]

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Please, please happen and clog up that max space

[ceperez]

Adam Silver would love Kawhi on the lakers and having another super team.
If anything I could see him encouraging the Spurs to trade Leonard.

The league will make it happen for the ratings!

It is an entertainment business first and a professional sport second.

[cd98]

If this was David Stern, he'd be out there in the media talking about how it's not right that the Spurs are not letting LA have their way. Silver is different.

Didn't David Stern veto the Chris Paul trade between New Orleans and Lakers way back when...? I actually think neither would support Kawhi sitting. For one, some people here forget that the commissioner represents the owners and negotiates on behalf of the owners, not the players. The owners pay the commissioner's salary and sign him to employment contracts. Sure, Silver and Stern want a strong Lakers squad, but they don't want fans thinking the fix is in and they don't like lopsided deals that feed conspiracies. So they will take the owner's side to avoid the appearance of impropriety and to bolster the confidence of the owners. Plus, players not honoring their contracts is bad for the NBA business as a whole. That's not the image they want as the league gets more and more popular. They want people focusing on the game, not off the court circuses.

[SAGirl]

I still can't believe LeBron didn't tell Magic - trade for Kawhi this Summer or I'm not signing. He's got 4 years against the best team ever, when he's already 34, in a conference where they're not even the 2nd best team. Surely he must have told him to fuckin get him now. Moreso, they met after PG signed with OKC, anything could happen - Clippers could even get a third team involved with a couple of young guys, Harris & a few first rounders to get Kawhi.
There was a rumor from nebulous source that lakerfan credits as an anonymous insider who said when LeBron saw that the Lakers were going to have to give up a ton of assets for Kiwi, he made things easier for the Lakers by telling them to hold on to the assets and wait. He was going to sign anyways and didn't want them to throw the farm. Take it fwiw. It wouldn't surprise bc at one point there were rumors that the Lakers wanted Murray together with Kawhi, which has to be a LeBron request (since he loves Murray).

[Mr. Body]

Didn't David Stern veto the Chris Paul trade between New Orleans and Lakers way back when...? I actually think neither would support Kawhi sitting. For one, some people here forget that the commissioner represents the owners and negotiates on behalf of the owners, not the players. The owners pay the commissioner's salary and sign him to employment contracts. Sure, Silver and Stern want a strong Lakers squad, but they don't want fans thinking the fix is in and they don't like lopsided deals that feed conspiracies. So they will take the owner's side to avoid the appearance of impropriety and to bolster the confidence of the owners. Plus, players not honoring their contracts is bad for the NBA business as a whole. That's not the image they want as the league gets more and more popular. They want people focusing on the game, not off the court circuses.

The league owners vetoed the Paul trade, not Stem. You know Stern wanted that so bad.

[Marcus Bryant]

Not smart for Leonard to get this rep. Easy for owners to take the stance that if players don't want to honor contracts that owners don't want to have to either. This is what player and team options are for.

[Clipper Nation]

Didn't David Stern veto the Chris Paul trade between New Orleans and Lakers way back when...?

Stern's not dumb. Even though he was the Lakers' biggest fan, he still wasn't going to let the team he owned get ripped off by them.


Sure, Silver and Stern want a strong Lakers squad, but they don't want fans thinking the fix is in and they don't like lopsided deals that feed conspiracies.

Then maybe they should stop rigging games and allowing deals like the MVPau trade.

[Mr. Body]

There was a rumor from nebulous source that lakerfan credits as an anonymous insider who said when LeBron was that the Lakers were going to have to give up a ton of assets for Kiwi, he made things easier for the Lakers by telling them to hold on to the assets and wait. He was going to sign anyways and didn't want them to throw the farm. Take it fwiw. It wouldn't surprise bc at one point there were rumors that the Lakers wanted Murray together with Kawhi, which has to be a LeBron request (since he loves Murray).

It would suck of LeBron stabbed Pop in the back after all that mutual respect.

[DPG21920]

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Please, please happen and clog up that max space

Yup - if Randle gets close to his market value (at least 15M plus, probably closer to 18M) it’s a great development as long as it’s more than one year.

[dbestpro]

Julius Randle went, in one season, from a cap casualty to legitimately valuable role player. It seems that wasn’t enough to convince the Lakers to make him feel wanted, though, according to NBA.com’s David Aldridge. This would be quite a disappointing development in an offseason that’s already seen the Los Angeles Lakers miss out on Paul George. Here’s what Aldridge had to say about what he’s heard regarding talks between Randle and the Lakers: “Julius Randle has made it clear that I don’t think he really wants to be back there, so are you putting money into a guy that doesn’t really want to be back there?” – via Silverscreenandroll.com

[Marcus Bryant]

There was a rumor from nebulous source that lakerfan credits as an anonymous insider who said when LeBron saw that the Lakers were going to have to give up a ton of assets for Kiwi, he made things easier for the Lakers by telling them to hold on to the assets and wait. He was going to sign anyways and didn't want them to throw the farm. Take it fwiw. It wouldn't surprise bc at one point there were rumors that the Lakers wanted Murray together with Kawhi, which has to be a LeBron request (since he loves Murray).

This is the last card Leonard's camp has, threat of holdout. At this point the Spurs will call his bluff.

[Spurs da champs]

Yup - if Randle gets close to his market value (at least 15M plus, probably closer to 18M) it’s a great development as long as it’s more than one year.

It's probably just gonna be one year. KCP has taken one year contract again after getting traded out of Detroit for wanting a big contract. Everything is going the Lakers way so far.

[dbestpro]

It would suck of LeBron stabbed Pop in the back after all that mutual respect.

Pop thought the kumbaya liberal stance would help when everyone knows liberals eat their young.

[DPG21920]

It's probably just gonna be one year. KCP has taken one year contract again after getting traded out of Detroit for wanting a big contract. Everything is going the Lakers way so far.

KCP is not Randle.

[Ice009]

Randle has already had a bad injury in his rookie year, I doubt he'd take a 1 year deal. Even if he takes a multiyear deal, the Lakers can still trade him at a later time.

[Spurs da champs]

KCP is not Randle.

Randle wet himself over news of Bron signing with Lakers tho.

[lmbebo]

Randle's first chance to get a long term contract. What incentive does he have to take a discount?

Also, talk of Spurs revisiting Clippers in hopes of dumping Kawhi with some bad contracts to free up space for next summer.

[Spurs da champs]

Randle has already had a bad injury in his rookie year, I doubt he'd take a 1 year deal. Even if he takes a multiyear deal, the Lakers can still trade him at a later time.

Probably, he needs to be included for sure IMO if Spurs do end up trading Kiwi.

[Russ]

Everything is going the Lakers way so far.

They even got dumb lucky when Paul George decided to stay in OKC and semi-retire.

[RD2191]

Lakers ain't winning shit with just LeBron. They're the 3rd or 4th best team out West at best.

[Killakobe81]

Magic taking a superstar for granted and not offering up a good trade to get him was the disrespectful part. LA has been really bad; bad ownership, bad in free agency and at best medicore in drafting. When a star says he wants to come there, you don’t take him for granted and let him die on the vine. You make an offer and bring him into the fold.

There is zero chance Randle plays our the QO. He will get offered a deal from another team and LA will have to decide on keeping him and eating up cap space next year or letting him walk for nothing.

My hope is they see this and do Ingram/Randle for Kawhi.

I think you are crazy on that 15-18 million talk.
Gordon signing a big deal probabbly makes Randle and his agent think he is worth that (same draft class) but in current NBA he is not especially to us, now with Bron in the fold.
Love how hard Randle plays and is a great passer but every off-season he works on his long-range jumper but rarely trusts it in games. Gordon is not great but at least is willing to take them and can get streaky.
You can say the Lakers have been bad this or that but that was the previous regime.
This one nailed the Hart and Kuzma picks.
Pawned off Mozgoff's contract and got a first rounder for DLo.
Got another 1st from Cavs for Nance and spare parts.

y'all cant paint the picture but the team that used to be bad at all those things signed LeBron.
you can pooh-pooh it minimize and unnderrate but bootom line arrow is pointing up in a big way.
Even PG staying in OKC is a win in the big picture.

I am admitedly iffy on Javele and Lance ... but since the current FO has been aces. I stay in trust mode.
Even Lonzo over Spida Mitchell taht looks like a huge mistake IM willing to wait and see on.

[Harry Callahan]

Yeah, this seems like an awful lot of speculation around a quote from Stephen "Talks out of his A" Smith.

If Kawhi's camp really leaked this to try to increase leverage, they are dumber than we thought.

Is it possible they "the Group" can be dumber than we thought at this point?

[Marcus Bryant]

Hey, I'm going to hold out again, but this time you won't have to pay me.

kthxbye

[lmbebo]

Wonder if there is a way to ban Kawhi's "representation" going forward. They aren't good for the NBA with these actions.

[DPG21920]

Randle's first chance to get a long term contract. What incentive does he have to take a discount?

Also, talk of Spurs revisiting Clippers in hopes of dumping Kawhi with some bad contracts to free up space for next summer.

If the Spurs just let Kawhi walk next year and waive/stretch Pau along with renouncing all cap holds, SA will have 48M in cap space. The won’t even need to dump Mills or Pau to have a ton of it. Of course that would help, but SA, if they wanted to could already have a ton of space just by letting Kawhi walk for nothing.

[MoSpur02]

I sure hope Jerry West can pull out some crazy wizardy trade package involving a 3rd team.

[SpursBills]

I guess sports's doctors, esp Kawhi's doctors who work for NY teams, have a lot a better rep and prestige than those 8 doctors.

This must be the single dumbest thing I've read so far

[DPG21920]

I think you are crazy on that 15-18 million talk.
Gordon signing a big deal probabbly makes Randle and his agent think he is worth that (same draft class) but in current NBA he is not especially to us, now with Bron in the fold.
Love how hard Randle plays and is a great passer but every off-season he works on his long-range jumper but rarely trusts it in games. Gordon is not great but at least is willing to take them and can get streaky.
You can say the Lakers have been bad this or that but that was the previous regime.
This one nailed the Hart and Kuzma picks.
Pawned off Mozgoff's contract and got a first rounder for DLo.
Got another 1st from Cavs for Nance and spare parts.

y'all cant paint the picture but the team that used to be bad at all those things signed LeBron.
you can pooh-pooh it minimize and unnderrate but bootom line arrow is pointing up in a big way.
Even PG staying in OKC is a win in the big picture.

I am admitedly iffy on Javele and Lance ... but since the current FO has been aces. I stay in trust mode.
Even Lonzo over Spida Mitchell taht looks like a huge mistake IM willing to wait and see on.

Nailed the picks? Let’s see how they do over a period of time. But Randle will get a big offer from some team, even if LA doesn’t value him that much.

[pad300]

Kawhi has been the same quiet, silent guy.

His teammates didn't get mad when he didn't talk that much in the locker room before, Spurs FO didn't matter if he didn't want to talk the press or give podium interviews after games...

That's whay I've said, both sides handled his badly. He could communicate better but the team already knew what type of person they're dealing with...The Spurs should have found ways to improve the communication in the previous years before it explodes this way...

You really don't get this do you? You've never been on a team in your life, have you?

You're right, being a quiet person who "didn't talk that much in the locker room before" wasn't a problem before, and it wouldn't be a problem now. What's a problem is that Kawhi threw the entire team under a bus by quitting on the season! Everybody in the org, down to the janitors want to win a trophy! This year, they figure they had a legit shot - after all, look how things were going last year until Kawhi went down. Now we have Kawhi throwing them, and all the effort and pain they have put in, under the bus. (Not to mention that this holdout affects everyone on the team's future earnings and legacy.) Just so that he can pressure management. In a fashion that the huge majority of players (and fans) would deem illegitimate: a medical holdout. They have been with him in the locker room, in practices, in the gym and on the court for the 9 games he played in. They know he a) can play, b) can help them significantly (he had the highest wp/48 for team over the season!) and c) having been around him for years, can probably tell he's not hurting that much....

This is why Tony and Manu made their comments - it was a last ditch attempt to get KL to man up by shaming him... and it failed.

So quit spinning this as non-communication. It's that KL threw the entire team's season under the bus.

[SAGirl]

It would suck of LeBron stabbed Pop in the back after all that mutual respect.
1. It's a business. LeBron is out there to look out for himself. He has already pulled stuff like this b4 so it shouldn't surprise you at all.
2. No worse than the backstabbing from Leonard.
3. LeBron had all the leverage in what team he wanted to play for and what teammates. If he saw the Lakers were going to have to give too much he could tell Magic. Unfortunately bc Kiwi will be a FA next season there's not much the Spurs can do. RC said they hoped to repair the relationship and that's where they are stuck. If his hardball backfires on RC it's part of the business.
4. There's very few to no scenario where the Spurs are ahead in all of this anyways unless they can reach an agreement with Leonard and repair the relationship.

[Dex]

You really don't get this do you? You've never been on a team in your life, have you?

You're right, being a quiet person who "didn't talk that much in the locker room before" wasn't a problem before, and it wouldn't be a problem now. What's a problem is that Kawhi threw the entire team under a bus by quitting on the season! Everybody in the org, down to the janitors want to win a trophy! This year, they figure they had a legit shot - after all, look how things were going last year until Kawhi went down. Now we have Kawhi throwing them, and all the effort and pain they have put in, under the bus. (Not to mention that this holdout affects everyone on the team's future earnings and legacy.) Just so that he can pressure management. In a fashion that the huge majority of players (and fans) would deem illegitimate: a medical holdout. They have been with him in the locker room, in practices, in the gym and on the court for the 9 games he played in. They know he a) can play, b) can help them significantly (he had the highest wp/48 for team over the season!) and c) having been around him for years, can probably tell he's not hurting that much....

This is why Tony and Manu made their comments - it was a last ditch attempt to get KL to man up by shaming him... and it failed.

So quit spinning this as non-communication. It's that KL threw the entire team's season under the bus.

You'd be better off arguing with a brick wall. YGWHI has Kawhi's dick so far down his throat, I'm amazed he has the breath to spin this bullshit.

[Killakobe81]

Nailed the picks? Let’s see how they do over a period of time. But Randle will get a big offer from some team, even if LA doesn’t value him that much.

SO right now you think some player drafted AFTER Kuzma and Hart will do better?
Right now only Jordan bell was playing/contributing at a similar rate to Kuzma of anyone drafted after him.
So yes they "nailed it" even if Kuzma only gets better by a small marrgin to get a possible 5th starter /6th man at the end of a draft is a great job.
Lonzo Like I said looks like a mistake over Mitchell but would still take him if he can stay healthy over Fultz, fox Jackson all who were supposed to be better defenders but Lonzo's numbers onthat side and by my eyes test easily outplayed those guys on defense only Jackson at times looked close. Fox gets steals and can apply ball pressure but is not a good defender at all ...yet.

Not every end of the draft pick becomes Tony or Manu in fact since those two even spurs have had a a lot more Kyle Andersons than Ginos.

[SAGirl]

So here’s the math with Randle making some assumptions: http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=17230720895b39bc874918f994530659

I used Aaron Gordon as a reference with Randle’s next contract. I used 18M as the year one salary for Randle (which is about 2M less than Gordon probably got).

I then assumed that next year LA renounced every single player except: Lebron, Randle, Ingram, Lonzo, Kuzma and Hart and that they waived and stretched Deng. I also assumed they would have the 20th pick in the draft.

If all that happens, they would have 17M in cap space roughly. So well short of Kawhi’s max who would already be down a lot of money. If they somehow moved Deng and didn’t take back any salary instead of stretching him? They could get to 23M roughly in cap space. Still, way short of Kawhi’s max.

So La has some decisions - do they believe in their core with Bron and the young guys? If so, they can keep Randle and all their Ingram/Ball/Kuz/Hart core and also sign a free agent between 17-23M next year. Or, do they let Randle walk for nothing so they can have their shot at a max level contract?

There is risk there. You lose Randle for nothing, what if Kawhi gets injured or pulls a PG and gets mad you didn’t trade for him? You also lost 1 of your 4 years of Lebron too.

So the question seems to be does LA value Ingram/Ball/Kuz more than a max level star? They can get 2 max stars and keep Ingram/Ball/Kuz or 3 max stars by trading those 3 in a deal.

They can keep Randle along with Ingram/Ball/Kuz and get a 2nd star just below max too.
There's a rumor Randle is looking for a contract elsewhere anyways. If he doesn't find it he can sign a one year deal and be a FA again next season.

[Chinook]

Honestly don't see Randle getting more than $15 Million a year. If he would agree to a four-year deal between $50M and $60M, I'd consider him a good get. The order of value for the Lakers assets is:

Ball (without considering Lavar)
Ingram -- Randle (on a deal like above)
First-rounders
Rights to Bonga
Ball (in real life) -- Randle (on anything more than that above)
Kuzma -- Hart

Honestly, at this point, there's a deal to be had there, especially if they are willing to take Pau and Mills in exchange for Deng. Had this not gotten so toxic, I would be okay with taking something here, even though the rumored Philly offers definitely have more appeal. But honestly, someone needs to raise the alarm on the shit Magic pulled and continues to pull through Stephen A Smith. He probably feels empowered now after pulling off the Russell and Clarkson trades and getting Lebron. But unless the league wants to condone such back-alley dealings, they need to take a stand. Stern, for all of his pro-LAL rhetoric, wasn't willing to put up with extra shit like this.

[eDizzle20]

At this point it’s best to just let Kawhi play into the season to show if he’s actually healthy and go from there.

[ducks]

Free agent guard JJ Redick will return to the Philadelphia 76ers on a 1-year deal in the $12M-to-13M range, league sources tell ESPN

[MoSpur02]

Not sure why Kawhi would want to play with the likes of LeBron James and Lonzo Ball? Yeah its home and yeah its L.A, which could mean more endorsements, but Kawhi needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Same goes for LeBron. I don't see it working all too good if they actually do play together.

I think the Clippers are a better fit if Kawhi wants to be the man and be playing at home.

[polandprzem]

Not sure why Kawhi would want to play with the likes of LeBron James and Lonzo Ball? Yeah its home and yeah its L.A, which could mean more endorsements, but Kawhi needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Same goes for LeBron. I don't see it working all too good if they actually do play together.

I think the Clippers are a better fit if Kawhi wants to be the man and be playing at home.

Harden Paul
LeBron Irving

[Mugen]

Yeah, at some point you have to take a stand. If some bitch can just neg out on 3 years left on his contract then what's the point of guaranteed contracts anymore. I really hope the front office and ownership don't budge and get the league involved.

[DPG21920]

Honestly don't see Randle getting more than $15 Million a year. If he would agree to a four-year deal between $50M and $60M, I'd consider him a good get. The order of value for the Lakers assets is:

Ball (without considering Lavar)
Ingram -- Randle (on a deal like above)
First-rounders
Rights to Bonga
Ball (in real life) -- Randle (on anything more than that above)
Kuzma -- Hart

Honestly, at this point, there's a deal to be had there, especially if they are willing to take Pau and Mills in exchange for Deng. Had this not gotten so toxic, I would be okay with taking something here, even though the rumored Philly offers definitely have more appeal. But honestly, someone needs to raise the alarm on the shit Magic pulled and continues to pull through Stephen A Smith. He probably feels empowered now after pulling off the Russell and Clarkson trades and getting Lebron. But unless the league wants to condone such back-alley dealings, they need to take a stand. Stern, for all of his pro-LAL rhetoric, wasn't willing to put up with extra shit like this.

IMO, Randle is worth more than Gordon and Gordon got 4/84. Randle may be forced into 14M if he wants a S&T. If Lakers, as part of a Julius Randle S&T, exceed the cap in signing him (at $5.0M+), Randle would be subject to BYC. Currently, highest 1st-year salary they can pay Randle under cap (and honor all commitments) is $14.7M, unless they reduce salary with the trade or stretch Deng.

*Ranlde info gets credited to Albert Nahmad from Twitter: @AlbertNahmad

[DPG21920]

Harden Paul
LeBron Irving

This scenario has 3 guys though, not two.

[polandprzem]

Frickin mess. I wish this to end. Nobody knows nothing and ppl going with speculations and scenarios.

for some reason Leonards value is down. idk but damn ingram and ball for top3 player is not enough if he is healthy

[MoSpur02]

Apparently Tyreke Evans met with the Lakers and Thunder.

[rasuo214]

Spurs ponied up and gave Kawhi his MAX. Of course, he then only played, and looks to only play two seasons of the five, four if you count the option.

And there was drama with that deal as well with Kawhi's agent and the Spurs.

[polandprzem]

This scenario has 3 guys though, not two.
yea well let's say ball has nothing to say tbh. And if LA keeps Lonzo along with Kawhi - that's crazy

[BillMc]

And there was drama with that deal as well with Kawhi's agent and the Spurs.

I could have this wrong, but s I recall, they asked him to wait so they could sign LMA. They thought he'd be cool with it as it was good for the team, but he was insulted by the waiting. In retrospect, signs of things to come.

[daslicer]

You'd be better off arguing with a brick wall. YGWHI has Kawhi's dick so far down his throat, I'm amazed he has the breath to spin this bullshit.

Kawhi could fuck his girlfriend he would still make excuses. I could see him saying "Well Kawhi didnt do it on purpose and it was an accident. They just both slipped and Kawhi fell on top of her."

[NASpurs]

Yeah, at some point you have to take a stand. If some bitch can just neg out on 3 years left on his contract then what's the point of guaranteed contracts anymore. I really hope the front office and ownership don't budge and get the league involved.

The socially awkward mute is going to find it extremely uncomfortable playing in front of Spurs fans if he has to suit up. It'll be a great punishment.

[Marcus Bryant]

You really don't get this...
So quit spinning this as non-communication. It's that KL threw the entire team's season under the bus.

:tu Exactly, he quit on a playoff team. Now that the Spurs don't have to pretend that this didn't happen or that there's still a chance at reconciling he can be dealt with appropriately.

[rasuo214]

Not sure why Kawhi would want to play with the likes of LeBron James and Lonzo Ball? Yeah its home and yeah its L.A, which could mean more endorsements, but Kawhi needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Same goes for LeBron. I don't see it working all too good if they actually do play together.

I think the Clippers are a better fit if Kawhi wants to be the man and be playing at home.

The Clippers don't have anything worth trading for. Keeping Kawhi and getting nothing in return is a better option than taking whatever trash the Clippers would offer. Trade him to Philly or another team out East. Either he re-signs there or he loses out on money going to LA.

[daslicer]

Yeah, at some point you have to take a stand. If some bitch can just neg out on 3 years left on his contract then what's the point of guaranteed contracts anymore. I really hope the front office and ownership don't budge and get the league involved.

That to me is the main issue here. This shit will set a bad precedent not just for the Spurs but for the rest of the league. If a player doesn't want to play for you he could just do what Kawhi did which is find a doctor that will allow you to sit out with a medical holdout.

[Marcus Bryant]

Whining about a job that pays you $20 mil because _________ is not going to find much sympathy anywhere.

[FkLA]

I mean Eric Gordon already did this when NO didn't let him go to PHX to be the Cornerstone, and nothing came of it so I doubt anything gets done.

[SAGirl]

Pretty amazing that that dipshit Lentard wants to go to the Lakers when they won’t even put together a package to obtain him, they’re willing to put him in a position where he has to sit out the year. Guy is a full on retard.
And it will cost him money if they don't trade for him too. Maybe RC hoping to call out his bluff works after all. He did say they hope to repair the relationship anyways. Sometimes it gets really ugly b4 it gets better.

[venitian navigator]

1. It's a business. LeBron is out there to look out for himself. He has already pulled stuff like this b4 so it shouldn't surprise you at all.
2. No worse than the backstabbing from Leonard.
3. LeBron had all the leverage in what team he wanted to play for and what teammates. If he saw the Lakers were going to have to give too much he could tell Magic. Unfortunately bc Kiwi will be a FA next season there's not much the Spurs can do. RC said they hoped to repair the relationship and that's where they are stuck. If his hardball backfires on RC it's part of the business.
4. There's very few to no scenario where the Spurs are ahead in all of this anyways unless they can reach an agreement with Leonard and repair the relationship.

Yes there is one but only if the Spurs have been prudent enough to privately investigate the situation and have some evidence of some fraud. In this case, bacause of the tampering rule, they can receive compensation from the Lakers of multiple first round picks without giving up any asset...and at the same time destroy Kiwhi's career.

[Marcus Bryant]

That to me is the main issue here. This shit will set a bad precedent not just for the Spurs but for the rest of the league. If a player doesn't want to play for you he could just do what Kawhi did which is find a doctor that will allow you to sit out with a medical holdout.

Yeah I don't know how far the union will support him now that it's clear this is not about a second medical opinion but rather forcing his way to another team. NBA players have it good with the proportion of long term deals that is usually guaranteed.

[Vic Petro]

The Clippers don't have anything worth trading for. Keeping Kawhi and getting nothing in return is a better option than taking whatever trash the Clippers would offer. Trade him to Philly or another team out East. Either he re-signs there or he loses out on money going to LA.

Getting nothing is better than getting something?

[DPG21920]

Getting nothing is better than getting something?

Sometimes, yes. If it means sending a message along with freeing up a ton of cap space while increasing chances for a better pick.

[cd98]

I mean Eric Gordon already did this when NO didn't let him go to PHX to be the Cornerstone, and nothing came of it so I doubt anything gets done.

You are probably right, but that was two small market teams. Kawhi to Lakers is a national story with a lot of exposure. I think that can change the equation.

[BSfromTX]

At this point it’s best to just let Kawhi play into the season to show if he’s actually healthy and go from there.

How possible is that though? I can't see Kawhi facing the music. I would bet he does everything not to go which would force the Spurs to go to litigation... then at that point, it seems Kawhi would almost be forced to accept a trade almost anywhere and maybe a sign and trade to boot. I have no idea what the CBA says on a situation like this, but from what I have heard, it seems like Kawhi could really be painting himself into a corner. Still, though, how would he be able to suit up and play again unless he just sucked it up and said "I'm sorry, please forgive me"? We all know that ain't happenin. Uncle Dennis underestimated his hand and the workings of the league it appears.

[r0drig0lac]

Apparently Tyreke Evans met with the Lakers and Thunder.

good players want to play with stars

[Spurs9]

Theres not a chance hes coming back. When the players had that meeting with Kawhi it wasn't just thought of by Parker/Manu, Pop talked to them probably before it. Hes so far out the door, its just a matter of what trade they will pull off.
Remember this headline?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/spurs/2013/04/12/stephen-jackson-cut-released-waived-san-antonio-playoffs/2079103/

But if anything is a given with the Spurs, it's that players buy into the system and culture and the franchise has no problem jettisoning players who don't.

Kawhi and his group have tried to tarnish the credibility of the Spurs and Pop. You guys are delusional if you think they would ever have him play with this team again.

[BillMc]

Still don't know why a Knicks trade has never been seriously discussed.

Kawhi for Porzingis and filler or picks to make the salaries work.

Knicks get the best player. Now, they're set to attract Kyrie who is rumored to want to go there. And Kyrie's dad and Uncle D are buds and can plot a Gotham super team to their hearts' content.

Kawhi and Uncle D get the biggest market possible too. Rumor was Kawhi began to like New York when rehabbing there.

Porzingis gets a real organization to develop him. Not Dolan chaos.

Spurs get a player coming off an injury, so a risk, but a ceiling higher than anything the Lakers are offering or Philly since they wouldn't include Simmons. They also put KL in the East.

I get to make Latvian references with impunity.

Winners all around.

[rasuo214]

Getting nothing is better than getting something?

Depends. I'd rather get nothing if the options are only Clippers trash or the Lakers (unless they make a "godfather" offer which is unlikely). The very slim odds that Kawhi would stay or help the team win a championship would be a better return than those situations.

[bklynspursfan]

This guy is in Jersey. Connected with Uncle Dennis maybe?

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[Mugen]

:lol Kawhi getting re-signed to the supermax isn't gonna happen but that would be worst case scenario for me tbh.

I don't want to see that faggot's name mentioned with the Spurs unless it's a trade or a suspension.

[-21-]

Still don't know why a Knicks trade has never been seriously discussed.

Kawhi for Porzingis and filler or picks to make the salaries work.

Knicks get the best player. Now, they're set to attract Kyrie who is rumored to want to go there. And Kyrie's dad and Uncle D are buds and can plot a Gotham super team to their hearts' content.

Kawhi and Uncle D get the biggest market possible too. Rumor was Kawhi began to like New York when rehabbing there.

Porzingis gets a real organization to develop him. Not Dolan chaos.

Spurs get a player coming off an injury, so a risk, but a ceiling higher than anything the Lakers are offering or Philly since they wouldn't include Simmons. They also put KL in the East.

I get to make Latvian references with impunity.

Winners all around.

Porzingis loves NY. He would not be thrilled about coming to SA especially with rumors of Dolan selling the franchise.

[BSfromTX]

This guy is in Jersey. Connected with Uncle Dennis maybe?

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[BillMc]

Porzingis loves NY. He would not be thrilled about coming to SA especially with rumors of Dolan selling the franchise.

Everything I read was he hated the Knicks, but you're right that's not the same as hating NY. I think KP is hungry to be developed. I'm sure he'd be happy to let Pop and the Spurs staff improve his game.

If Dolan sells everything could change though.

[FvckMavs]

:lol Kawhi getting re-signed to the supermax isn't gonna happen but that would be worst case scenario for me tbh.

I don't want to see that faggot's name mentioned with the Spurs unless it's a trade or a suspension.

Hopefully he takes Jabari with him.

[lmbebo]

Jabari's alt


he was posting from Durham the other day

[BillMc]

This guy is in Jersey. Connected with Uncle Dennis maybe?

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So Uncle D feels disrespected and he's going to cost his client 80 mill?

[loveforthegame]

:lol Kawhi getting re-signed to the supermax isn't gonna happen but that would be worst case scenario for me tbh.

I don't want to see that faggot's name mentioned with the Spurs unless it's a trade or a suspension.

I’m hoping he’s signed just to watch the meltdown here. :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

Looks like more spin. Oh, the 9th doc you consulted discovered a problem the 8 previous ones didn't?

Now suddenly you're healthy after missing an entire season and demanding a trade to the specific team James just joined?

Yeah, persecution man. Please whine some more.

[Mr. Body]

This guy is in Jersey. Connected with Uncle Dennis maybe?

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Kawhi is a grown man. You don't call the families of grown men. That's disrespectful and sad for all involved.

[picnroll]

This guy is in Jersey. Connected with Uncle Dennis maybe?

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Yeah because that sounds so much like the Spurs’ reputation and the way they operate.

[Marcus Bryant]

Well, good. Uncle Buck shows no signs of stopping, Spurs won't have to pay him if he holds out and if there was ever a real chronic issue then the Spurs avoid being saddled with a max contract for a perimeter player who's yet to play an entire season.

[bklynspursfan]

:lol Kawhi getting re-signed to the supermax isn't gonna happen but that would be worst case scenario for me tbh.

I don't want to see that faggot's name mentioned with the Spurs unless it's a trade or a suspension.

Sign him to the supermax, then trade him anywhere you want lol

[Marcus Bryant]

Kawhi is a grown man. You don't call the families of grown men. That's disrespectful and sad for all involved.

Right, that's just weird and an indicator of the source.

[BillMc]

This guy is in Jersey. Connected with Uncle Dennis maybe?

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I want to know when the Spurs have ever "demonized" Kawhi's family? I guarantee they've never said anything negative about KL's family other than potentially Uncle Dennis. And even he, not publicly that I can recall. I guess Pop saying "ask his group" is a declaration of war? Puh-lease. This is all an excuse to get out of town in the most awkward way possible.

[Vic Petro]

Sometimes, yes. If it means sending a message along with freeing up a ton of cap space while increasing chances for a better pick.

If you would be letting him walk for free, why not consider Tobias (who you’ll flip and/or expires anyway) and, say, ‘19, ‘21, and ‘23 unprotected 1’s? Not saying you’d get that, but it’s better than zero and the Clippers seem desperate.

[SpursDynasty85]

Sometimes, yes. If it means sending a message along with freeing up a ton of cap space while increasing chances for a better pick.

Tanking means defeat.

[DPG21920]

This shouldn’t be hard. Tell Kawhi “look, we will honor your request, but you have to tell LA to actually place value on you. As of now, they aren’t valuing you at all. They take it for granted that you will walk to them in free agency and want that since it means they can pay you less money. If you want to go there and they want you just tell them to negoatite a trade in good faith and we will send you there and only there so you don’t get financially harmed and get to go home”.

[DPG21920]

If you would be letting him walk for free, why not consider Tobias (who you’ll flip and/or expires anyway) and, say, ‘19, ‘21, and ‘23 unprotected 1’s? Not saying you’d get that, but it’s better than zero and the Clippers seem desperate.

Sure - if it’s a no risk deal with picks thats fine. But we don’t know that is being offered.

[Marcus Bryant]

If you would be letting him walk for free, why not consider Tobias (who you’ll flip and/or expires anyway) and, say, ‘19, ‘21, and ‘23 unprotected 1’s? Not saying you’d get that, but it’s better than zero and the Clippers seem desperate.

Yeah, West is looking to make a deal and get a face of the franchise. I'm sure Team Microsoft would think they could get him to agree to an extension.

[Marcus Bryant]

I want to know when the Spurs have ever "demonized" Kawhi's family? I guarantee they've never said anything negative about KL's family other than potentially Uncle Dennis. And even he, not publicly that I can recall. I guess Pop saying "ask his group" is a declaration of war? Puh-lease. This is all an excuse to get out of town in the most awkward way possible.

Only thing that comes to mind is that ESPN article a couple months back in which somebody in the front office said they thought this was all a ruse to get Leonard traded to a large market.

[baseline bum]

That to me is the main issue here. This shit will set a bad precedent not just for the Spurs but for the rest of the league. If a player doesn't want to play for you he could just do what Kawhi did which is find a doctor that will allow you to sit out with a medical holdout.

It's too bad there isn't an out in the CBA until 2022, because you'd think owners would start pushing for non-guranteed NFL style contracts now that they see even one of the most successful franchises have their star hold out on them and still pull a max salary paycheck. I'm tempted to trade that mute piece of shit to Golden State for Iguodala just as a big fuck you to Magic.

[Marcus Bryant]

It's too bad there isn't an out in the CBA until 2022, because you'd think owners would start pushing for non-guranteed NFL style contracts now that they see one of the most successful franchises have their star hold out on them and still pull a max salary paycheck. I'm tempted to trade that mute piece of shit to Golden State for Iguodala just as a big fuck you to Magic.

:tu

[Marcus Bryant]

Silver would face all kinds of pressure to nix that.

[bklynspursfan]

Kawhi for Boban. Who says no? Clips?

[spurraider21]

how have the Spurs alienated kawhi's family? they've made no comments about them. the rumors surrounding the spurs were originally that they were completely uninterested in trading leonard, only thing we've heard from pop/rc is their desire to keep kawhi, and then only recently did they entertain offers but even then never seemed close to moving him

thats a load of crap. i'm not saying the spurs should be kissing kawhi's ass or anything, but acting like they've alienated him this summer makes no sense. i think they did so during the season, but not really during this trade demand saga

[daslicer]

It's too bad there isn't an out in the CBA until 2022, because you'd think owners would start pushing for non-guranteed NFL style contracts now that they see even one of the most successful franchises have their star hold out on them and still pull a max salary paycheck. I'm tempted to trade that mute piece of shit to Golden State for Iguodala just as a big fuck you to Magic.


I actually thought about that the other day. Just sending Kawhi for scraps to Golden State. In a sick way I feel that would be setting the basketball world on fire and like you said sending a big fuck you to Kawhi and the Lakers.

[Marcus Bryant]

That article also painted Uncle Dennis and the agent in a not so flattering light. No surprise that rankled him.

[BillMc]

Only thing that comes to mind is that ESPN article a couple months back in which somebody in the front office said they thought this was all a ruse to get Leonard traded to a large market.

I think it is.

Even if we take this as genuine, it's clear what a mistake having your uncle as your rep is. If your agent gets his feelings hurt he realizes a) its just business b) it probably wasn't intentional and c) I'd better get over it because I have other clients and I need to deal with this franchise.

But when he's your uncle, he cries to his client/nephew "they're excluding you're family." And the sad thing is Kawhi believes this.

[bklynspursfan]

Only thing that comes to mind is that ESPN article a couple months back in which somebody in the front office said they thought this was all a ruse to get Leonard traded to a large market.

Was it quoted from someone in the FO, or just the ole' ESPN "sources say' etc...?

[bklynspursfan]

I think it is.

Even if we take this as genuine, it's clear what a mistake having your uncle as your rep is. If your agent gets his feelings hurt he realizes a) its just business b) it probably wasn't intentional and c) I'd better get over it because I have other clients and I need to deal with this franchise.

But when he's your uncle, he cries to his client/nephew "they're excluding you're family." And the sad thing is Kawhi believes this.

And the relationship with his uncle is probably even more delicate since his dad passed. He became more involved and closer with Kawhi

[BillMc]

And the relationship with his uncle is probably even more delicate since his dad passed. He became more involved and closer with Kawhi

Truth

[-21-]

Everything I read was he hated the Knicks, but you're right that's not the same as hating NY. I think KP is hungry to be developed. I'm sure he'd be happy to let Pop and the Spurs staff improve his game.

If Dolan sells everything could change though.

Yep, I meant NY the city. He enjoys the spotlight and the lifestyle that comes with it. I remember reading somewhere that he was actually afraid that Phil Jackson would move him.

[baseline bum]

Getting nothing is better than getting something?

If you're OKC are you pissed you didn't trade Durant to the Warriors before and thus missed out on Harrison Barnes? If you're not getting a useful piece what's the point?

[DAF86]

This guy is in Jersey. Connected with Uncle Dennis maybe?

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lol what bullshit.

If this was true, Kawhi would be fine with moving anywhere as long as he is gone, but no, he wants to be a Laker and a Laker only.

Just shut the fuck up and own up to your faggotry Kawhi.

[Vic Petro]

If you're OKC are you pissed you didn't trade Durant to the Warriors before and thus missed out on Harrison Barnes? If you're not getting a useful piece what's the point?

Again I was responding to those essentially disqualifying the Clippers and saying getting nothing back is better than trading with them. Why? If they’re the only desperate team then yeah I’ll happily take their picks and expiring contracts. The whole “prove a point by sitting on Kawhi” isn’t worth much to me.

[BillMc]

This guy is in Jersey. Connected with Uncle Dennis maybe?

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Another way to read this is as a final stab at getting the supermax. It's almost a blue print for reconciliation from the KL side. Just 1) admit your doctors screwed up 2) apologize to Uncle D and give him the respect he feels he deserves 3) make some sort of apology (public or not) for having put Kawhi's family "through this media ordeal" and 4) give us the supermax.

That, or its just trying to win the spin war, and the thing is irreparable.

[DarkGinobili]

Fuck Kawhi

[Marcus Bryant]

If you're OKC are you pissed you didn't trade Durant to the Warriors before and thus missed out on Harrison Barnes? If you're not getting a useful piece what's the point?

:tu Also committing $200+ mil over 5 years to a 29 yo perimeter player with apparently a chronic quad issue entails some risk. At the end of the day you want something near actual value in trade return, but if not you're better off keeping your cap clear and rebuilding. Pop's gone after 2020 anyways reading the tea leaves.

[Extra Stout]

Getting nothing is better than getting something?
Possibly, on account of the salary cap. Getting players you don’t really want chews up space that could go to players you do want.
And low draft picks are like getting trinkets from the dollar store. Why bother?

[Marcus Bryant]

Another way to read this is as a final stab at getting the supermax. It's almost a blue print for reconciliation from the KL side. Just 1) admit your doctors screwed up 2) apologize to Uncle D and give him the respect he feels he deserves 3) make some sort of apology (public or not) for having put Kawhi's family "through this media ordeal" and 4) give us the supermax.

That, or its just trying to win the spin war, and the thing is irreparable.

Why not the sit down with ESPN? I guess that's coming.

[BillMc]

Why not the sit down with ESPN? I guess that's coming.
:lol Could be.

[daslicer]

Why not the sit down with ESPN? I guess that's coming.

:lol I can picture Kawhi making sure his uncle is with him to answer questions from ESPN.

[bklynspursfan]

lol what bullshit.

If this was true, Kawhi would be fine with moving anywhere as long as he is gone, but no, he wants to be a Laker and a Laker only.

Just shut the fuck up and own up to your faggotry Kawhi.

Exactly.. Said that too, if he wanted out he would want out anywhere.


Another way to read this is as a final stab at getting the supermax. It's almost a blue print for reconciliation from the KL side. Just 1) admit your doctors screwed up 2) apologize to Uncle D and give him the respect he feels he deserves 3) make some sort of apology (public or not) for having put Kawhi's family "through this media ordeal" and 4) give us the supermax.

That, or its just trying to win the spin war, and the thing is irreparable.

Everyone who is reporting on this makes it seem like it's irreparable. But who knows what would happen if the supermax was offered.

[Marcus Bryant]

Please, tell the world how a player was victimized by a $90 million contract and expectation that he fulfill it.

[Vic Petro]

Possibly, on account of the salary cap. Getting players you don’t really want chews up space that could go to players you do want.
And low draft picks are like getting trinkets from the dollar store. Why bother?

Thats like saying I’m dying of thirst but that water bottle is too small so why bother. Take the cap out of it. I’m talking about a deal for expiring contracts and picks. If you can find a deal like that, it’s not worth bothering because you’re not getting an all star back? Because you want to make some point? No, you make the deal.

Of course if your choices are do nothing, or trade him for albatross contracts, you do nothing.

[Marcus Bryant]

Why offer any extension to someone who apparently thinks long term contracts are optional?

[baseline bum]

Possibly, on account of the salary cap. Getting players you don’t really want chews up space that could go to players you do want.
And low draft picks are like getting trinkets from the dollar store. Why bother?

Low draft picks are worse than that, since a late first is essentially second round talent you're forced to give a two year contract to. For years the Spurs would just give those picks away since they had negative value to the team.

[Marcus Bryant]

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[Marcus Bryant]

:lol I can picture Kawhi making sure his uncle is with him to answer questions from ESPN.

Kawhi, show Uncle D where the bad doc touched you...

[BillMc]

Kawhi, show Uncle D where the bad doc touched you...
:lol

[Budkin]

In this case, I'd much rather the Spurs get absolutely nothing for Kawhi and make him sit out another season with his "injury."

[Harry Callahan]

This guy is in Jersey. Connected with Uncle Dennis maybe?

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This fool is on NBA Radio (Sirrius XM). Most of those guys are trashing the Spurs with no facts. The Spurs Organization does not talk much and this guy has no clue what was REALLY said. So annoying that lies and rumors become fact is this sick situation.

[DarkGinobili]

This needs to end , to much of a distraction.

[MannyIsGod]

Low draft picks are worse than that, since a late first is essentially second round talent you're forced to give a two year contract to. For years the Spurs would just give those picks away since they had negative value to the team.

This is just a horrendously bad take.

[Budkin]

:lmao the douche quoted my response:

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[DarkGinobili]

:lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

This fool is on NBA Radio (Sirrius XM). Most of those guys are trashing the Spurs with no facts. The Spurs Organization does not talk much and this guy has no clue what was REALLY said. So annoying that lies and rumors become fact is this sick situation.

What's a joke is his first tweet. Scapegoating? Yeah, seven other doctors agreed with the Spurs medical staff. Some hack doc who probably got his palms greased by uncle Dennis and the car trunk street agent finally agreed to say he wasn't healthy.

[DAF86]

:lmao the douche quoted my response:

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Answer him that if he was real about wanting out of the Spurs, he would be cool with going anywhere. Not the Lakers and Lakers only.

[pad300]

Low draft picks are worse than that, since a late first is essentially second round talent you're forced to give a two year contract to. For years the Spurs would just give those picks away since they had negative value to the team.

Why I agree with you on not trading kawhi, late are not negative value. We've repeatedly demonstrated the ability to get a decent, sometimes starter level, players out of late firsts: recently,
Anderson has given us good minutes, so has Dejounte (and we have higher hopes for him). White is promising.

[lmbebo]

:lmao the douche quoted my response:

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He doesn't remember this stuff coming out BEFORE Tony's remarks?? And don't consider anything pop said to be disrespectful. Just a matter of fact reply. Spurs weren't calling the shots at that point. Was Pop supposed to cover for him while keeping him in the dark?

[TXstbobcat]

I want to know when the Spurs have ever "demonized" Kawhi's family? I guarantee they've never said anything negative about KL's family other than potentially Uncle Dennis. And even he, not publicly that I can recall. I guess Pop saying "ask his group" is a declaration of war? Puh-lease. This is all an excuse to get out of town in the most awkward way possible.

The only statement that I have heard from the Spurs about his family was the one a few weeks ago where RC Stated in an interview that the organization cared about Leonard and his family.

The crazy thing thing is that all of these comments and tweets against the spurs are making things worse for Leonard and will cost him millions when this is over.

[Marcus Bryant]

:lmao the douche quoted my response:

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This is perhaps the lamest reason for not playing when you could. Spurs were mean to me when it was clear I had quit on the team. Fuck that joker.

[Dverde]

If you look around and no one else has a problem with PATFO but you. The problem is you.

[San Antonio Slayer]

any news from Kawhi's sister?

[Marcus Bryant]

Kawhi trade demand rumors started much earlier than May. Dump him on an EC team and move on.

[Marcus Bryant]

any news from Kawhi's sister?

:lol what about his dog?

[MannyIsGod]

The bottom line is that if there's no chance to resign this dude, then the Spurs should trade him for something they value. Whether that's prospects, draft picks, players that can contribute, or a mix, whatever. I have no clue what true leverage they have, but I suspect it's not very good but they still have some. For one, by trading for him a team retains bird rights. That's not insignificant. Of course these guys don't realize how much money they're burning so maybe that doesn't matter.

But while the Spurs aren't going to be contenders, its obvious they're not going to tank. If they can get back players that contribute - even if its pennies on the dollar - then there's value in that. If they can get back draft picks, there's obvious value in that too. If they can get a prospect that might develop then there's value in that too. There's zero value in letting him walk if the relationship is irreparable.

Is there value in waiting to trade him? Well, it depends, obviously, on whether or not offers will get better. I don't think they will. It's possible that at the deadline a team in contention would trade for him to put them over the top, but that seems doubtful. I really don't see any scenarios where waiting to the deadline is better, but who knows.

[r0drig0lac]

The only statement that I have heard from the Spurs about his family was the one a few weeks ago where RC Stated in an interview that the organization cared about Leonard and his family.

The crazy thing thing is that all of these comments and tweets against the spurs are making things worse for Leonard and will cost him millions when this is over.

maybe for Pop and for us, Spurs fans


for the league: no way, Magic and Lebron wait until 2019 and give Kawhi his pay, this is a situation that only Kawhi will have some victory at the end, unfortunately this is a league of players now (Kawhi seems calm in losing this money to leave San Antonio.)

[BillMc]

:lmao the douche quoted my response:

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Go get him man. :toast

[BillMc]

The crazy thing thing is that all of these comments and tweets against the spurs are making things worse for Leonard and will cost him millions when this is over.

True. So sad it has come to this. But it has.

[ECOV]

Theres not a chance hes coming back. When the players had that meeting with Kawhi it wasn't just thought of by Parker/Manu, Pop talked to them probably before it. Hes so far out the door, its just a matter of what trade they will pull off.
Remember this headline?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/spurs/2013/04/12/stephen-jackson-cut-released-waived-san-antonio-playoffs/2079103/

But if anything is a given with the Spurs, it's that players buy into the system and culture and the franchise has no problem jettisoning players who don't.

Kawhi and his group have tried to tarnish the credibility of the Spurs and Pop. You guys are delusional if you think they would ever have him play with this team again.

Nah

[SpursforSix]

any news from Kawhi's sister?


:lol what about his dog?

Are you implying that his dog is off fucking his sister?

[Marcus Bryant]

maybe for Pop and for us, Spurs fans


for the league: no way, Magic and Lebron wait until 2019 and give Kawhi his pay, this is a situation that only Kawhi will have some victory at the end, unfortunately this is a league of players now (Kawhi seems calm in losing this money to leave San Antonio.)

Some people obsess over the price of a cup of coffee and others blow millions. That's his money though would it be surprising if it's reported later that he lost a lot of his assets?

[MoSpur02]

Are there any teams who have players under contract for a few years that are trying to shed contracts to get under the cap for 2019 who wouldn't mind renting Kawhi for a year? A team that has players of value who are under contract for a couple of years that aren't too bad that the Spurs could use?

[MoSpur02]

Its a league that now unfortunately is run by super stars. It is slowly taking the fun away from watching the game. Something needs to be done. I am not all about giving full control to the owners and treating players like slaves, but something has to be done to prevent what is happening now. Its not enough that they are being paid tens of millions of dollars a season to play a game of basketball for a living?

[Mugen]

Its a league that now unfortunately is run by super stars. It is slowly taking the fun away from watching the game. Something needs to be done. I am not all about giving full control to the owners and treating players like slaves, but something has to be done to prevent what is happening now. Its not enough that they are being paid tens of millions of dollars a season to play a game of basketball for a living?

:lol The league's ratings are going to be through the roof next year. The NBA isn't about parity and it never will be . I don't have a problem with superteams.

If Leonard played last year and played this upcoming season and decided to walk in 2019, I'd be pissed but that's his choice. What I have issue with is when a team does everything right by all accounts and this fucker still negs out on 2 years of his max contract. He has a debt to pay and he's trying to welch on it.

[lmbebo]

:lol The league's ratings are going to be through the roof next year. The NBA isn't about parity and it never well. I don't have a problem with superteams.

If Leonard played last year and played this upcoming season and decided to walk in 2019, I'd be pissed but that's his choice. What I have issue with is when a team does everything right by all accounts and this fucker still negs out on 2 years of his max contract. He has a debt to pay and he's trying to welch on it.

Agree

[BillMc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NioPdEK1iU4

[gambit1990]

Answer him that if he was real about wanting out of the Spurs, he would be cool with going anywhere.
right, because nba stars are always cool with being traded anywhere :lol

[Mugen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NioPdEK1iU4

Bill, I love ya bruh but if I have to see that peanut headed motherfucker one more time on my computer screen, I'm gonna fucking lose it tbh.

[DAF86]

right, because nba stars are always cool with being traded anywhere :lol

It's just one year. Then he can sign anywhere else. If he really wanted out of the Spurs, he wouldn't have handicapped his chances of getting traded by saying he would only play for the Lakers, tbh.

[bklynspursfan]

any news from Kawhi's sister?

No.. But there is this

http://i65.tinypic.com/311s2vb.jpg

[BillMc]

Bill, I love ya bruh but if I have to see that peanut headed motherfucker one more time on my computer screen, I'm gonna fucking lose it tbh.

Sorry man, I need to post clear warnings a few thread pages before putting up a Jabari vid. :lol

[FkLA]

It's honestly pretty stupid of PATFO if they expected some sort of discount. I'm thinking maybe if instead of telling Woj "we are a really long way from offering the supermax" they should've told him " we intend to offer it we just need a good talk/strong commitment".

Then again, if it was about the supermax you'd think both sides wouldve made a bigger effort to make amends.

:pctoss

[FkLA]

No.. But there is this

http://i63.tinypic.com/2r3iecp.jpg

Is that recent?

[bklynspursfan]

Bill, I love ya bruh but if I have to see that peanut headed motherfucker one more time on my computer screen, I'm gonna fucking lose it tbh.

:lol

[bklynspursfan]

Is that recent?

Nah it's a couple years old. I accidentally cropped out the date smh

[r0drig0lac]

Some people obsess over the price of a cup of coffee and others blow millions. That's his money though would it be surprising if it's reported later that he lost a lot of his assets?

I'm hoping for him to have a serious injury (I do not really care about his money tbh),but I really would not be surprised at this

[spurschamps99030507]

:lol The league's ratings are going to be through the roof next year. The NBA isn't about parity and it never will be . I don't have a problem with superteams.

If Leonard played last year and played this upcoming season and decided to walk in 2019, I'd be pissed but that's his choice. What I have issue with is when a team does everything right by all accounts and this fucker still negs out on 2 years of his max contract. He has a debt to pay and he's trying to welch on it.

+11111111111111

[MoSpur02]

Nerlens Noel to the OKC Thunder

[daslicer]

:lol The league's ratings are going to be through the roof next year. The NBA isn't about parity and it never will be . I don't have a problem with superteams.

If Leonard played last year and played this upcoming season and decided to walk in 2019, I'd be pissed but that's his choice. What I have issue with is when a team does everything right by all accounts and this fucker still negs out on 2 years of his max contract. He has a debt to pay and he's trying to welch on it.

Agreed this is the issues I have with Kawhi and his Uncle.

[Hoops Czar]

Nerlens Noel to the OKC Thunder
While Pop and RC are still sucking cigars over the Belinelli signing. The FO is such a joke.

[Killakobe81]

Nerlens Noel to the OKC Thunder

What a dumb move.
He gonna play over Adams?
With adams?!
he messed up by not taking teh extension Mavs offered what an ass clown, tbh.

[TheRemix]

:lol The league's ratings are going to be through the roof next year. The NBA isn't about parity and it never will be . I don't have a problem with superteams.

If Leonard played last year and played this upcoming season and decided to walk in 2019, I'd be pissed but that's his choice. What I have issue with is when a team does everything right by all accounts and this fucker still negs out on 2 years of his max contract. He has a debt to pay and he's trying to welch on it.

Truth. Hate it when people say "There's no parity in the league anymore :cry"

[rjv]

While Pop and RC are still sucking cigars over the Belinelli signing. The FO is such a joke.

are you lamenting missing out on noel?

[Dex]

While Pop and RC are still sucking cigars over the Belinelli signing. The FO is such a joke.

Noel sucks...anyone who thinks otherwise has not really watched him play.

There is reason he couldn't even get playing time under Brown or Carlisle. Dude just doesn't give a shit.

[bklynspursfan]

While Pop and RC are still sucking cigars over the Belinelli signing. The FO is such a joke.


are you lamenting missing out on loel?

Of course he is :lol People just want names

[DPG21920]

What a dumb move.
He gonna play over Adams?
With adams?!
he messed up by not taking teh extension Mavs offered what an ass clown, tbh.

Can’t hate. OKC making moves and he can play alongside Adams. LA I thought would be a good fit, but he chose OKC. Maybe because they signed McGee?

[Mugen]

It's honestly pretty stupid of PATFO if they expected some sort of discount. I'm thinking maybe if instead of telling Woj "we are a really long way from offering the supermax" they should've told him " we intend to offer it we just need a good talk/strong commitment".

Then again, if it was about the supermax you'd think both sides wouldve made a bigger effort to make amends.

:pctoss

:lol What are you talking about? Woj's report right before the trade request was that Kawhi was going to have to convey to Pop that he's committed long-term to the team before they offered a supermax. Seems like a pretty innocuous request to a fuck that quit on them the previous season.

There were a lot of positive leaks saying the Spurs and Leonard were heading towards a reconciliation. The Spurs make a pretty simple statement through Woj and the group fucking loses their shit again and demands a trade.

At this point, I highly doubt the front office is considering giving this piece of shit the keys to the franchise and frankly who can blame them.

[exstatic]

are you lamenting missing out on loel?

Spooge Czar never lets any opportunity to slam PATFO get by him. The next positive or complementary thing he says about them will be the first.

[Hoops Czar]

Noel sucks...anyone who thinks otherwise has not really watched him play.

There is reason he couldn't even get playing time under Brown or Carlisle. Dude just doesn't give a shit.


His attitude is a problem but his numbers don't suggest he sucks and he's inly 24. Who's backing up Aldridge again?

My bad, top priority should be resigning Joffrey Laughverne for more money should be top priority.

[Killakobe81]

Can’t hate. OKC making moves and he can play alongside Adams. LA I thought would be a good fit, but he chose OKC. Maybe because they signed McGee?

How he gonna play alongside Adams?
Randle has better range tbh.
Not hating on OKC they are acquiring talent Im hating one some of the dumb descisions by Noel/Klutch Management in regards to Nerlens. Almost all of Maverick players get paid (tristan?) but some like Noel choose bad fits.
Oh, well ... God bless them. If helps russ great ...

[DPG21920]

So Gordon gets 4/84 (20M+ annually), Favors gets 2/36M (18M annually). Looking more and more like Randle’s range is at least 15M if not more.

[MoSpur02]

Anthony Tolliver is nearing a deal with the T-Wolves

[Baam]

This is getting so boring now.

Only way it can get worse is if they fold and really get cucked by the Lakers.

[lmbebo]

Anthony Tolliver is nearing a deal with the T-Wolves


Guess no Bertans for them

[Marcus Bryant]

:lol What are you talking about? Woj's report right before the trade request was that Kawhi was going to have to convey to Pop that he's committed long-term to the team before they offered a supermax. Seems like a pretty innocuous request to a fuck that quit on them the previous season.

There were a lot of positive leaks saying the Spurs and Leonard were heading towards a reconciliation. The Spurs make a pretty simple statement through Woj and the group fucking loses their shit again and demands a trade.

At this point, I highly doubt the front office is considering giving this piece of shit the keys to the franchise and frankly who can blame them.

Rather large commitment to agree to $200+ million to a 29 year old perimeter player who's had serious quad injuries and a habit of quitting when he doesn't feel like his family is being respected, or whatever the lame excuse is that day.

It sucks to lose a talent like that for little or nothing in return but the alternative could be worse if he's not able to get back to that level. The supermax is $40 mil on average a year. Time will tell.

[offset formation]

Absolutely. None of what the Lakers have is 'spurs' material, if we want to use that term. I would not want any of what the Lakers have. This is why if the Spurs do this trade for the sake of making it, I will quit following this team. Period. There is no excuse to help Leonard or the Lakers. I do not think they will do this, but still will be very disappointed if they go that route.

The only way you make a deal with Los Angeles, is if you cripple them for years to come and clean them out in the process.

[RD2191]

Rather large commitment to agree to $200+ million to a 29 year old perimeter player who's had serious quad injuries and a habit of quitting when he doesn't feel like his family is being respected, or whatever the lame excuse is that day.

It sucks to lose a talent like that for little or nothing in return but the alternative could be worse if he's not able to get back to that level. The supermax is $40 mil on average a year. Time will tell.

He just turned 27 tbh

[daslicer]

This is getting so boring now.

Only way it can get worse is if they fold and really get cucked by the Lakers.

This

[offset formation]

A top 3 player doesn't have to...

And his camp knows that the Spurs won't offer that at any circumstances to anyone, that's what they asked for a trade.

We will see what happen to DJ when he asks for his max next offseason...

DJ is a natural leader. He'd be deserving it for the whole package...assuming his offensive game comes around of course.

You don't pay mutes the supermax, even if their play on the court warrants it. Leaders deserve supermax contracts. Players don't.

[SuperCam]

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PATFO needed to get a deal done before the draft let alone Ledecision 3.0 smh :bang

[Marcus Bryant]

He just turned 27 tbh

28 when the extension would start

[RD2191]

28 when the extension would start

Still relatively young. Moot point though, he's probably gone soon.

[cjw]

Two things come to mind here:

1.) For years, there has been a narrative of “Kawhi is a system player” (Durant), “The Spurs created Kawhi”, “The perfect Spur”, “The new Duncan”, etc. Mute Kawhi hasn’t done anything to break this narrative and now finally snapped and saw this as the way to break it.

2.) Ratings will be through the roof with yet another superteam and a historical powerhouse strong again. And heck, people may actually tune into the East now that a team other than the Lebrons will advance to the Finals. Plus, small market owners will be rolling in luxury tax dollars.

But there will be a point when small market fans feel like their teams no longer have a shot and ticket sales will suffer unless big names come to town + regional sports networks get crushed. The owners will try to take control back from the players and a lockout will ensue.

[Marcus Bryant]

Maybe his quad as well. Big risk before considering all the bullshit.

[Marcus Bryant]

Two things come to mind here:

1.) For years, there has been a narrative of “Kawhi is a system player” (Durant), “The Spurs created Kawhi”, “The perfect Spur”, “The new Duncan”, etc. Mute Kawhi hasn’t done anything to break this narrative and now finally snapped and saw this as the way to break it.

2.) Ratings will be through the roof with yet another superteam and a historical powerhouse strong again. And heck, people may actually tune into the East now that a team other than the Lebrons will advance to the Finals. Plus, small market owners will be rolling in luxury tax dollars.

But there will be a point when small market fans feel like their teams no longer have a shot and ticket sales will suffer unless big names come to town + regional sports networks get crushed. The owners will try to take control back from the players and a lockout will ensue.

We're not that far away.

[Mugen]

:lol Looks like it's heading to a package of Ingram, Hart, and maybe a 1st rounder for Kawhi. I knew the Spurs would cave but any other scenario was farfetched.

[lmbebo]

:lol Looks like it's heading to a package of Ingram, Hart, and maybe a 1st rounder for Kawhi. I knew the Spurs would cave but any other scenario was farfetched.


sOURCE?

[bklynspursfan]

Curious to see what comes out once this is done

http://i68.tinypic.com/2ngg03n.png

Thread here-

https://twitter.com/mikecwright/status/1013852718765674496

[marinoman]

:lol Looks like it's heading to a package of Ingram, Hart, and maybe a 1st rounder for Kawhi. I knew the Spurs would cave but any other scenario was farfetched.
What makes you think theyll cave, history? There are no indications i see that they’re close to anything

[SuperCam]

:lol Looks like it's heading to a package of Ingram, Hart, and maybe a 1st rounder for Kawhi. I knew the Spurs would cave but any other scenario was farfetched.



kobe pushing ingram out the door

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[lmbebo]

Curious to see what comes out once this is done

http://i68.tinypic.com/2ngg03n.png

Thread here-

https://twitter.com/mikecwright/status/1013852718765674496

Curious what that could be/mean ...

[Mugen]

:lol What's there to be curious about?

Spurs tried to shut him down midway through the season. All the Kawhi coming back for the playoffs was all started by his camp, probably another attempt to salvage his image/rep for some reason at that point.

[marinoman]

Curious what that could be/mean ...
Just more specifics to what we already know. Kawhi wanted LA, created scapegoats and excuses to make it happen

[bklynspursfan]

:lol What's there to be curious about?

Spurs tried to shut him down midway through the season. All the Kawhi coming back for the playoffs was all started by his camp, probably another attempt to salvage his image/rep for some reason at that point.

He's a player on their team.. They could have just shut him down, right? Do they need approval?

[Killakobe81]

kobe pushing ingram out the door

1013852443870941185

Ingram/Randle and two firsts the 2nd first protected for top 5 ...
I get wanting to keep Ingram I dont want to lose him either ...
But if KL is coming you have to give up Ingram becaus eno way do I deal (even though I love Kuzma) centred around anyone else.

[daslicer]

:lol At the Spurs losing leverage with the Lakers. Spurs didn't have any leverage to begin with since they were going to get ripped off in any deal with the Lakers. Even with a package of Ingram,Kuzma,Hart,draft picks the Spurs were basically getting 25 cents on the dollar.

[Mugen]

All reports have suggested that the Lakers are holding out Ingram. The Spurs would be fucking dumb to of course take any Lakers trade without him.

Kobe's already pushing him out the door and I don't think I've heard him tweet/say anything since the Bron signing while Kuzma and Lonzo have.

It'll probably be a Ingram/Hart/Pick for Kawhi. I really hope the Spurs don't take back f'n Julius Randle too.

Regardless, the Spurs caving paves the way for me to finally to stop supporting the team so I'll get some of my free time back :lol

[Dverde]

Can we get another mascot like the Coyote and call him Kawhiote? He can have no expression and quit halfway through his routine grabbing his leg.

[Marcus Bryant]

Probaby tried to get him to rehab in SA. Again he declined because his family was disrespected or doctors, yeah.

[LkrFan]

Line was at +200 this morning:

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:wow

[Hoops Czar]

Line was at +200 this morning:

1013867136412995584

:wow

What was Russia's odds of beating Spain in the WC?

[Mugen]

Line was at +200 this morning:

1013867136412995584

:wow

:lol Do you even understand how betting lines are set?

[LkrFan]

:lol Do you even understand how betting lines are set?

:lol

[daslicer]

All reports have suggested that the Lakers are holding out Ingram. The Spurs would be fucking dumb to of course take any Lakers trade without him.

Kobe's already pushing him out the door and I don't think I've heard him tweet/say anything since the Bron signing while Kuzma and Lonzo have.

It'll probably be a Ingram/Hart/Pick for Kawhi. I really hope the Spurs don't take back f'n Julius Randle too.

Regardless, the Spurs caving paves the way for me to finally to stop supporting the team so I'll get some of my free time back :lol

This and my sanity back. Anyways I will still follow the league but not root for any team from this point forward.

[SuperCam]

Line was at +200 this morning:

1013867136412995584

:wow

sounds like ingram for kiwi is happening before the end of the day :wow

[Mr. Body]

:lol Do you even understand how betting lines are set?

Just sucking up gullible money.

[HarlemHeat37]

The line wouldn't move that dramatically in a day without sharp money, tbh..somebody knows something..

[LkrFan]

The line wouldn't move that dramatically in a day without sharp money, tbh..somebody knows something..

Tell det to Mugen
:lol

[Dverde]

Line was -75 after JeVale McGee signing.

[Mugen]

Tell det to Mugen (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15519)
:lol

My question was legit, I honestly don't think you understand how betting lines are set irrespective of whether the line moving is valid or not :lol

[LkrFan]

sounds like ingram for kiwi is happening before the end of the day :wow

Nah, Dung for Kiwi works straight up. We'll even throw in an unprotected 2nd rounder to sweeten the deal. :lol

[LkrFan]

My question was legit, I honestly don't think you understand how betting lines are set irrespective of whether the line moving is valid or not :lol

:downspin: that shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!! :rollin :lmao :rollin

[baseline bum]

I really hope the Spurs don't take back f'n Julius Randle too.

Then they'd be taking back Deng.

[marinoman]

Line was at +200 this morning:

1013867136412995584

:wow
Do me a favor dollface, find me the odds posted last year that Paul George would be a laker

[LkrFan]

Line was -75 after JeVale McGee signing.

:lol

[LkrFan]

Do me a favor dollface, find me the odds posted last year that Paul George would be a laker

Quit tryna flirt with me faggot. I don't roll like det :lmao

[Spurs da champs]

Nah, Dung for Kiwi works straight up. We'll even throw in an unprotected 2nd rounder to sweeten the deal. :lol

:lmao

[marinoman]

Quit tryna flirt with me faggot. I don't roll like det :lmao
Youre a secretary sweetheart, don’t sass me