Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[coachmac87]

Gay fantasies again? Smh. You're sick.

Nah dude. I’m speaking truth about you and your infatuation with Kawhi...

You live in your room typing away defending the love you’ll never meet or even see..

Trolling is your life. That’s the sick thing. Trolling in your cum stained Kawhi shirt from last weekend you dirty pig

[LkrFan]

Juan Carlos bodying spur fan :wow

:lol

[Spurs 4 The Win]

How does it feel to be a little bitch? :lol grown men so emotional over a man not wanting to play for their team. It's pathetic. You must have a really shitty life if an NBA player means this much to you :lol

:lol Faggot

Speaking of grown men, what "man" wears another man's jersey? Carries his jock strap? Wipes his ass? Lives and dies with an autistic mute? Follow him wherever he goes like a little doggy ready to lick up his splooge and explain all his mistakes away?

You are no man at all, you are a little fangirl. Stop talking to me little girl, there are men present here.

[RD2191]

Nah dude. I’m speaking truth about you and your infatuation with Kawhi...

You live in your room typing away defending the love you’ll never meet or even see..

Trolling is your life. That’s the sick thing. Trolling in your cum stained Kawhi shirt from last weekend you dirty pig

Why are you so obsessed with me? And there you go again with the cum stains. You have some personal issues to work out, bud.

[RD2191]

:lol Faggot

Speaking of grown men, what "man" wears another man's jersey? Carries his jock strap? Wipes his ass? Lives and dies with an autistic mute? Follow him wherever he goes like a little doggy ready to lick up his splooge and explain all his mistakes away?

You are no man at all, you are a little fangirl. Stop talking to me little girl, there are men present here.

You and coachmac need to hook up already. The gay tension between you two faggots is undeniable.

[nym]

Question. The assumption is that Jabari’s sources are from Kawhi’s group whereas Shams and Woj sources are from the Spurs side (even though they conflict sometimes)?

From their comments, it would seem that Jabari and Shams sources are from Kawhi's side and Woj is Spurs side

[raybies]

Why every time I look up coachmac is ethering Rob...

[RD2191]

Why every time I look up coachmac is ethering Rob...

Lmao. Stop it. Yeah, he's really telling me off with his gay fantasies. Gtfo

[coachmac87]

Why are you so obsessed with me? And there you go again with the cum stains. You have some personal issues to work out, bud.

Hey your hot pocket is ready

[Gino20]

From their comments, it would seem that Jabari and Shams sources are from Kawhi's side and Woj is Spurs side

I read somewhere that someone said that Shams gets his info from Ludden. What you said also makes sense though.

[apalisoc_9]

I know coachmac failed horribly with his attempt at a basketball Podcast but maybe he can start a podcast about cum and gay sexual adventures. He seems like he has the passion for it since he talks about it all the time.

Hmm..

[RD2191]

I know coachmac failed horribly with his attempt at a basketball Podcast but maybe he can start a podcast about cum and gay sexual adventures. He seems like he has the passion for it since he talks about it all the time.

Hmm..

:lmao tbh

[Clipper Nation]

I know coachmac failed horribly with his attempt at a basketball Podcast but maybe he can start a podcast about cum and gay sexual adventures. He seems like he has the passion for it since he talks about it all the time.

Hmm..
:lmao

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Oh look the Kawhitter ball gargling crew with multiple alts is in full force. LOL Fagg:lolts

[coachmac87]

I know coachmac failed horribly with his attempt at a basketball Podcast but maybe he can start a podcast about cum and gay sexual adventures. He seems like he has the passion for it since he talks about it all the time.

Hmm..



Oh did I strike a cord talking to your friend? Or is that you Rob? The podcast is all y’all have to say..I post you’ll click..and tbh is totally fine. Cause you clicked it and I benefit from it.

You and your crew beg for your name to get bolded so you can feel accomplished...troll for a living with a salary of FREE.

How about you control atl delete and kiss your aunt on the cheek and go get some sun for once.

[Dave_ET]

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Very interesting. If PG stays in OKC, and Spurs broadcasting he’s SA or East only, that really changes Lebrons decision making process when it was starting to look like LA vs. Cleveland.

[r0drig0lac]

Why are Lakers fans and media so desperate to get Kawhi in a trade?

Just wait a year and sign him free agency. And you can keep Ingram and Kuzma and Ball.

AND you can make sure he's *healthy* by waiting a year to make sure.

AND since it's not about the money I'm sure Kawhi will sign for whatever cap room is there. It's all about being home, right? And only playing for the Lakers, right?

Why so panicked?

haha this

[Mr. Body]

Very interesting. If PG stays in OKC, and Spurs broadcasting he’s SA or East only, that really changes Lebrons decision making process when it was starting to look like LA vs. Cleveland.

If I'm LeBron there's no way I got to LAL alone. That roster is kind of trash.

[RD2191]

If I'm LeBron there's no way I got to LAL alone. That roster is kind of trash.

Kind of is an understatement, the roster is shit.

[marinoman]

I don’t care what anyone says, kawhi wont be on the lakers this upcoming season, I’ll give anyone 3-1 odds if they wanna bet on that.
But after this season, he probably will. Hopefully the lakers sign 2 other players to the max this year so they can’t get kawhi later. That’s why im rooting for George to go to the lakers, hopefully joined by cousins followed by trading for melo

[callo1]

Better than what he has in Cleveland tbh.

Ingram is a very solid you talent, and Kuma isn't bad at all.

RandLe is a hard nosed player, and is a good fit in small ball.

The turd that stinks the most is Ball, due to his pappy.

[KDKSpurs24]

Better than what he has in Cleveland tbh.

Ingram is a very solid you talent, and Kuma isn't bad at all.

RandLe is a hard nosed player, and is a good fit in small ball.

The turd that stinks the most is Ball, due to his pappy.
It’s kind of like people forgot that the Lakers had one of the best records in the league sometime after the all star break

[Extra Stout]

:lol Yes, I'm sure Kawhi would gladly ruin his own reputation and sit out a year of his career just because LeBron asks him to.

You LeBron haters are something else. It's incredible how you guys have convinced yourselves that one of the classiest players in the league is really a comic-book villain.
I forgot that one of the reasons I stopped posting in here for years was because of all the stupid people for whom you have to spoon-feed every detail of every point, and who cop an attitude to boot.

I like LeBron. I think he’s probably the second-greatest player of all time. He’s also pretty savvy for a guy with no education past high school.

LeBron has no reason to be loyal to the Spurs. He has professional respect for Gregg Popovich, but that binds him in no way to act with any sort of deference to the Spurs. This is about business. There is absolutely nothing wrong or unethical with pointing out an opportunity to Kawhi Leonard, if that in fact happened. Anything unethical Kawhi does to pursue that opportunity is 100% on Kawhi.

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You playing checkers, I see. Expiring contracts are extremely valuable. Once upon a time the Lakers flipped Kwame for MVPau. But they had to eat a few years of his deal to reap the benefits. 2 rangs later... :downspin:

Lol. Yes, once upon a time in a world when the Logo and former Laker GM somehow became the Grizzlies GM and happened to ship off the League's best Center, in his prime, for a washed out player with attitude problems. Hmm, how did that happen??

Seriously, GTFOH. Everyone knows what happened there. Don't act like you guys just outmaneuvered the Griz. It was a calculated ploy. And it was utter BS....and will contribute greatly to the fact Pop won't ship Kawhi there. Thankfully, the Karma Gods have us Mitch and Buss, Jr to engineer that Deng contract for payback.

[offset formation]

I know coachmac failed horribly with his attempt at a basketball Podcast but maybe he can start a podcast about cum and gay sexual adventures. He seems like he has the passion for it since he talks about it all the time.

Hmm..

Show him how it's done, with the Guide to being an auntfocker weekly podcast.

[Marcus Bryant]

I forgot that one of the reasons I stopped posting in here for years was because of all the stupid people for whom you have to spoon-feed every detail of every point, and who cop an attitude to boot.


Amen.

[Vic Petro]

It’s kind of like people forgot that the Lakers had one of the best records in the league sometime after the all star break

They were 7-8 in March and 2-5 in April

[baseline bum]

They were 7-8 in March and 2-5 in April

:lol

[ace3g]

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[Ron Swanson]

Danny just knows Kawhi wasn't at the club last night.

[objective]

Why are Lakers fans and media so desperate to get Kawhi in a trade?

Just wait a year and sign him free agency. And you can keep Ingram and Kuzma and Ball.

AND you can make sure he's *healthy* by waiting a year to make sure.

AND since it's not about the money I'm sure Kawhi will sign for whatever cap room is there. It's all about being home, right? And only playing for the Lakers, right?

Why so panicked?

Laker fans steering clear.

Time to fire up the trade machine and send Deng to Atlanta and Schroeder to the Spurs.

Who says no, right guys?

[Crazymaddopeyo]

"Shelburne and Adrian Wojnarowski (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23846966/gregg-popovich-flying-california-attempt-meet-kawhi-leonard) noted Leonard will alert teams interested in acquiring him that he intends to sign in Los Angeles when he's eligible for free agency next summer. "

[KDKSpurs24]

They were 7-8 in March and 2-5 in April
Okay, I was wrong. But after just looking at their schedule I realized why my mind remembered that. They were 8-2 after all star break and then went on a losing streak. But I remember the buzz they had during that 8-2 (of course Lakers new is overblown on minor streaks). But I do think some of their core players started missing games around that time. But it’s true I did react too quick off memory without looking it up. But the core of their roster when healthy isn’t “shitty”.

[Spurs da champs]

"Shelburne and Adrian Wojnarowski (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23846966/gregg-popovich-flying-california-attempt-meet-kawhi-leonard) noted Leonard will alert teams interested in acquiring him that he intends to sign in Los Angeles when he's eligible for free agency next summer. "
Should've just traded him Clippers.

[cjw]

did tony win back to back defensive player of the year awards back then too?

Did Kawhi win three titles in his first six years in the league. Stop, just stop.

[BSfromTX]

"Shelburne and Adrian Wojnarowski (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23846966/gregg-popovich-flying-california-attempt-meet-kawhi-leonard) noted Leonard will alert teams interested in acquiring him that he intends to sign in Los Angeles when he's eligible for free agency next summer. "

I call BS on that... if he waits til FA, even if LA has the cap space, he will lose a ton of money unless that team agrees to sign and trade.. I don’t think his camp lets it go that far, then again they’ve screwed up a lot already

[spurschamps99030507]

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[baseline bum]

Okay, I was wrong. But after just looking at their schedule I realized why my mind remembered that. They were 8-2 after all star break and then went on a losing streak. But I remember the buzz they had during that 8-2 (of course Lakers new is overblown on minor streaks). But I do think some of their core players started missing games around that time. But it’s true I did react too quick off memory without looking it up. But the core of their roster when healthy isn’t “shitty”.

Wow so they're china dolls too. The Laker deal keeps looking better and better.

[cjw]

I call BS on that... if he waits til FA, even if LA has the cap space, he will lose a ton of money unless that team agrees to sign and trade.. I don’t think his camp lets it go that far, then again they’ve screwed up a lot already

This is not true. You can’t get Bird raises in a sign and trade anymore. Unless he’s traded to LA before the trade deadline he stands to lose those Bird raises in his deal with them.

Also, he can’t sign an extension anywhere close to his possible max next season EXCEPT if the Spurs offer the supermax.



Wow so they're china dolls too. The Laker deal keeps looking better and better.

That 8-2 streak included games against the Hawks, Kings, Magic and Mavs. Of the teams who made the playoffs, they beat the Nuggets on the road (as we all know their home/road splits are huge), the Heat (shot lights out so good for them), the Cavs (no Love or Thompson), and Spurs (no Aldridge).

Total fools gold.

[baseline bum]

Yeah there is no gain whatsoever from sign and trades any more. It's not only the raises though, he also loses the extra year by not signing a Bird deal.

[gambit1990]

Did Kawhi win three titles in his first six years in the league. Stop, just stop.
right, because tony won those all by himself.

[Dingle Barry]

Did Pop disparage Duncan thru the media? I don't think so. Big difference.

He didn't disparage Kawhi either. Stop making shit up.

[cd021]

Brandon Ingram>Kuzma & everybody else in that shitty trade outside KL.
Neither are that good tbqh

[rascal]

"Shelburne and Adrian Wojnarowski (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23846966/gregg-popovich-flying-california-attempt-meet-kawhi-leonard) noted Leonard will alert teams interested in acquiring him that he intends to sign in Los Angeles when he's eligible for free agency next summer. "

The Spurs should have traded him on draft night before his trade value hits rock bottom.

[baseline bum]

The Spurs should have traded him on draft night before his trade value hits rock bottom.

That was when his trade value was rock bottom. They should wait out free agency.

[mo7888]

That was when his trade value was rock bottom. They should wait out free agency.

Absolutely. If LeBron and any major free agent goes to LA then they won't have room to sign Kawhi next summer without doing so in a trade.

[duncan2150]

The Spurs should have traded him on draft night before his trade value hits rock bottom.
He Will not sit out a year, after playing some games his value will be higher than today.

[BatManu20]

Absolutely. If LeBron and any major free agent goes to LA then they won't have room to sign Kawhi next summer without doing so in a trade.


They could if he takes a considerable paycut, which it sounds like he would be willing to do since he reportedly doesn't care about the Supermax at all. Me thinks he's going to be a Laker either way next season, no matter how much he's making.

[Spurs da champs]

Neither are that good tbqh
I think Ingram has a higher ceiling than Brown, tbqh. Durability is only concern.

[spursfaninla]

I agree with the current spurs strategy regarding zero tolerance about trading Kawhi to the Lakers, or even to another western conference team. Fuck Kawhi and fuck the lakers.

Even so, I'm not as optimistic as some about the chance that the lakers will eat up their cap space on others and that Kawhi will be left with having to sign with someone else, thus raising his potential trade value.

Ok, lets assume (which I think is growing increasingly likely) that PG and CP3 will not move to the lakers.

If the lakers don't look competitive next year (i.e., have another superstar to help lebron), I think the odds are low that Lebron goes to LA, but as a tie breaker between LA and cleveland, the Lakers are better just because of the cap space and the future there is better. Neither Cleveland nor the Lakers as constructed challenge for a championship in 2019 by adding only lebron, so they are both a wash in that regard.

However, the Lakers have the cap space to attract a free agent, and Lebron knows Kawhi is serious about going in 2019; so, between Cleveland and the Lakers, if I'm lebron, I chose the Lakers.

Now, Lebron is not limited to those two teams. He could possibly work something with Philly. I would say that is clearly the superior option if I'm lebron and I want a chance to win a championship in 2019 and beyond.

So, the two most likely scenarios for LA this summer are 1) whiff on all including lebron, in which case they have cap space in 2019 for kawhi, or 2) land only lebron, which again leaves them space for kawhi next year. Both of these scenarios make kawhi's trade value weak even at the trade deadline, because kawhi has the ability to move to LA salary wise.

We will have to see how things land for LA; if they somehow do get 2 superstar free agents, then everything changes, kawhi probably has to re-think his demands, and the spurs get more value.

Regardless, I don't think we get better value by trading him now, so might as well roll the dice and wait this out.

[baseline bum]

I think Ingram has a higher ceiling than Brown, tbqh. Durability is only concern.

Neither looks to have much of a chance of becoming anything special.

[baseline bum]

They could if he takes a considerable paycut, which it sounds like he would be willing to do since he reportedly doesn't care about the Supermax at all. Me thinks he's going to be a Laker either way next season, no matter how much he's making.

Right Uncle Dennis is going to love seeing LA stretch Deng and taking an $80 million paycut on top of the $40 million he already lost from blowing his nephew's supermax deal.

[mo7888]

They could if he takes a considerable paycut, which it sounds like he would be willing to do since he reportedly doesn't care about the Supermax at all. Me thinks he's going to be a Laker either way next season, no matter how much he's making.

If he's willing to take 8M to sign there then so be it lol

[exstatic]

Why are Lakers fans and media so desperate to get Kawhi in a trade?

Just wait a year and sign him free agency. And you can keep Ingram and Kuzma and Ball.

AND you can make sure he's *healthy* by waiting a year to make sure.

AND since it's not about the money I'm sure Kawhi will sign for whatever cap room is there. It's all about being home, right? And only playing for the Lakers, right?

Why so panicked?
Actually that’s not true. They would have to dump One of Ball or Ingram just to sign LBJ and PG this year. They pretty much have to get rid of everyone else to sign Kawhi next summer, and I mean everyone. Figure LBJ for 35% and PG and Kawhi for 30% each. That’s 95% of the cap for 3 players.

[baseline bum]

I agree with the current spurs strategy regarding zero tolerance about trading Kawhi to the Lakers, or even to another western conference team. Fuck Kawhi and fuck the lakers.

Even so, I'm not as optimistic as some about the chance that the lakers will eat up their cap space on others and that Kawhi will be left with having to sign with someone else, thus raising his potential trade value.

Ok, lets assume (which I think is growing increasingly likely) that PG and CP3 will not move to the lakers.

If the lakers don't look competitive next year (i.e., have another superstar to help lebron), I think the odds are low that Lebron goes to LA, but as a tie breaker between LA and cleveland, the Lakers are better just because of the cap space and the future there is better. Neither Cleveland nor the Lakers as constructed challenge for a championship in 2019 by adding only lebron, so they are both a wash in that regard.

However, the Lakers have the cap space to attract a free agent, and Lebron knows Kawhi is serious about going in 2019; so, between Cleveland and the Lakers, if I'm lebron, I chose the Lakers.

Now, Lebron is not limited to those two teams. He could possibly work something with Philly. I would say that is clearly the superior option if I'm lebron and I want a chance to win a championship in 2019 and beyond.

So, the two most likely scenarios for LA this summer are 1) whiff on all including lebron, in which case they have cap space in 2019 for kawhi, or 2) land only lebron, which again leaves them space for kawhi next year. Both of these scenarios make kawhi's trade value weak even at the trade deadline, because kawhi has the ability to move to LA salary wise.

We will have to see how things land for LA; if they somehow do get 2 superstar free agents, then everything changes, kawhi probably has to re-think his demands, and the spurs get more value.

Regardless, I don't think we get better value by trading him now, so might as well roll the dice and wait this out.

I'd be floored if PG13 doesn't sign in LA and LeBron's not going to go there with the Lakers' longterm prospects in mind. He's 33 and has a 3-4 year window to lead a team to a title. No way he's giving up a year of his prime waiting to possibly sign Kawhi when that capspace could be put towards landing Cousins, Capella, or DeAndre Jordan who could help them win right away (don't laugh, James was livid the Cavs didn't trade their #8 pick for Jordan this year). The Lakers maintaining that capspace means they wave goodbye to Randle and hope they can find someone halfway decent to take a JJ Reddick deal.

[tonight...you]

Come back! Come back! :cry:cry
There is not one reason to leave the side of this poster.
He is an Institution on this board and should be treated with the respect he deserves.

It's not like he's changed, flip-flopped, or became another entity...
RD is the epitome of this board. I want a small statue of you to place as my hood ornament wherever I go.

Chicken strips 4evah!!!

[Dex]

I'd be floored if PG13 doesn't sign in LA and LeBron's not going to go there with the Lakers' longterm prospects in mind. He's 33 and has a 3-4 year window to lead a team to a title. No way he's giving up a year of his prime waiting to possibly sign Kawhi when that capspace could be put towards landing Cousins, Capella, or DeAndre Jordan who could help them win right away (don't laugh, James was livid the Cavs didn't trade their #8 pick for Jordan this year). The Lakers maintaining that capspace means they wave goodbye to Randle and hope they can find someone halfway decent to take a JJ Reddick deal.

Reports currently show that PG is strongly considering staying in OKC and Spurs are currently refusing to deal to Western teams. If neither of those dominos fall, they can kiss Lebron goodbye.

So, basically...fuck the Lakers.

[tonight...you]

Presidents and congressmen have been doing that the las 100 years. Trumps just another good soldier
He's a shill for votes so he can continue to win, like everyone else over there.
On both sides.
Only he actually cares more about winning than what he does to win.
Which is typically the norm for politicians.

And I'm neither for, or against him. I think they all stink.

[baseline bum]

Actually that’s not true. They would have to dump One of Ball or Ingram just to sign LBJ and PG this year. They pretty much have to get rid of everyone else to sign Kawhi next summer, and I mean everyone. Figure LBJ for 35% and PG and Kawhi for 30% each. That’s 95% of the cap for 3 players.

9% of the cap will actually go to the ten empty roster spots under 12 in that scenario too. After factoring in raises it would be more like 34% James, 29% George, 9% empty roster spots, and 28% Leonard. I mean 28% vs 30% for base salary probably isn't enough to dissuade him from signing, but it does chop another $9 million off his four year contract. The 34% and 29% numbers come from the 4.5% raises James and George would get for 2019-20 being less than the 7% rise in the cap for 2019-20. But like you said, the real damage here is having to dump Ball or Ingram right now and maybe both to get someone to take Deng. They have to let Randle walk. Either trade Kuzma for a future draft pick this season or renounce him next summer. Well, unless they think Kawhi is going to take a further $10 million paycut on his total contract. Instead of 4 years, $139 million it becomes 4 years, $120 million.

I just don't see LeBron agreeing to that if he goes to LA and the Spurs don't capitulate to the Lakers. All their young talent becomes nonproductive capspace instead of keeping one or two of them and then going out and signing Capella, Jordan, or Cousins.

[baseline bum]

Reports currently show that PG is strongly considering staying in OKC and Spurs are currently refusing to deal to Western teams. If neither of those dominos fall, they can kiss Lebron goodbye.

So, basically...fuck the Lakers.

He looked like he quit on them in the playoffs. I think he's out.

[Clipper Nation]

He looked like he quit on them in the playoffs. I think he's out.

Nah, he just choked in the playoffs like he always does, tbh.

[Dex]

He looked like he quit on them in the playoffs. I think he's out.

It's all offseason Twitter speculation obviously but...I only share what I find.

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Danny just knows Kawhi wasn't at the club last night.

But I thought, errbody at da club gettin' down

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He looked like he quit on them in the playoffs. I think he's out.

Broussard says his entire family wants him in LA.

[raybies]

My stance on Leonard is this:

Make him play or make him pay!

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This is not true. You can’t get Bird raises in a sign and trade anymore. Unless he’s traded to LA before the trade deadline he stands to lose those Bird raises in his deal with them.

Also, he can’t sign an extension anywhere close to his possible max next season EXCEPT if the Spurs offer the supermax.




That 8-2 streak included games against the Hawks, Kings, Magic and Mavs. Of the teams who made the playoffs, they beat the Nuggets on the road (as we all know their home/road splits are huge), the Heat (shot lights out so good for them), the Cavs (no Love or Thompson), and Spurs (no Aldridge).

Total fools gold.


Plus, wasn't that Spurs victory the game Lonzo went unconscious from 3? 6 for 6 as I recall...something he will probably never do again, even in practice. Unless its against the Spurs again.

[baseline bum]

Broussard says his entire family wants him in LA.

Another reason I think he's LA bound. Who would have figured his family wouldn't like meth and trailer parks?

[BatManu20]

Zero chance Philly would give us all that if Kawhi tells them he's signing with LA next Summer no matter what.

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They could if he takes a considerable paycut, which it sounds like he would be willing to do since he reportedly doesn't care about the Supermax at all. Me thinks he's going to be a Laker either way next season, no matter how much he's making.

Good for him, amirite? So it should be the Spurs goal to make it as difficult and as costly as possible for him to go there and create a superteam. And from everything I see, the Spurs have already initiated that plan.

[Spurs da champs]

Zero chance Philly would give us all that if Kawhi tells them he's signing with LA next Summer no matter what.

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Brett Brown thinks he can sway him? I honestly don't think Kawhi cares about ringing again like he does being in LA tho.

[baseline bum]

Brett Brown thinks he can sway him? I honestly don't think Kawhi cares about ringing again like he does being in LA tho.

I think he wants a big market. Plus Uncle Dennis would love his cash cow being close to home in Philly. I think he's saying LA to try to get that super team formed with LeBron and PG13, but when that chance dries up Philly and Boston are going to start looking appealing.

[baseline bum]

Good for him, amirite? So it should be the Spurs goal to make it as difficult and as costly as possible for him to go there and create a superteam. And from everything I see, the Spurs have already initiated that plan.

I'm not buying it. The group that cares so much about the Jordan shoe deal doesn't care about money? Right.

[AFBlue]

No to Fultz...but yes to Saric, Covington, Smith and a pick.

[lmbebo]

Broussard says his entire family wants him in LA.

Thats fine.. never fault someone for that. But there are MUCH MUCH MUCH better ways of getting this ... Quitting your team, blaming problems on other people, etc is very unprofessional.

[mo7888]

No to Fultz...but yes to Saric, Covington, Smith and a pick.

So we just don't want the #1 pick in last year's draft?

[exstatic]

Thats fine.. never fault someone for that. But there are MUCH MUCH MUCH better ways of getting this ... Quitting your team, blaming problems on other people, etc is very unprofessional.

I think they’re referring to PG in this case.

[BackHome]

I Love Our Spurs Shitting All Over Magic and ESPN/CNN

[baseline bum]

No to Fultz...but yes to Saric, Covington, Smith and a pick.

I'd much rather have Fultz than Covington. Covington is a 27 year old below average player who is at his peak. At least Fultz is still an unknown and the Spurs would have a team option they could decline next summer if he doesn't show improvement, while Covington is signed through 2021-22.

[BatManu20]

I'd much rather have Fultz than Covington. Covington is a 27 year old below average player who is at his peak. At least Fultz is still an unknown and the Spurs would have a team option they could decline next summer if he doesn't show improvement, while Covington is signed through 2021-22.

Agreed. Any deal with Philly would include Fultz.

[BatManu20]

No to Fultz...but yes to Saric, Covington, Smith and a pick.


It would be Fultz and we'd be lucky to get any combination of the other players now that Kawhi has royally fucked up by stating he'll only sign with the Lakers next Summer.

[BatManu20]

Pop makes his first appearance since the end of the season.

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[Mr. Body]

No to Fultz...but yes to Saric, Covington, Smith and a pick.

Jesus, you definitely take Fultz.

[exstatic]

It would be Fultz and we'd be lucky to get any combination of the other players now that Kawhi has royally fucked up by stating he'll only sign with the Lakers next Summer.

Dude, that’s old news, from like last week. Why you buggin now?

[raybies]

Murray, White, Walker, Fultz??? Not to mention Parker and Mills, maybe Ginobili... I guess we could just do a battle royale for playing time

we need 3s

[BatManu20]

Dude, that’s old news, from like last week. Why you buggin now?

Buggin'? Lol. I'm not, I'm just saying we're not going to get a great return for a guy who swears he won't re-sign with the team we're trading him too.

[AFBlue]

Fultz sucks and is redundant to Murray. If we could get a third team involved that would take Fultz for a different prospects, I'd be down with that.

[AFBlue]

I'd much rather have Fultz than Covington. Covington is a 27 year old below average player who is at his peak. At least Fultz is still an unknown and the Spurs would have a team option they could decline next summer if he doesn't show improvement, while Covington is signed through 2021-22.

Fair criticism of Covington, but at least he plays a position of need. Fultz sucks and plays with position chock full of young prospects already.

[AFBlue]

Jesus, you definitely take Fultz.

What's so good about Fultz?

[CGD]

Brett Brown thinks he can sway him? I honestly don't think Kawhi cares about ringing again like he does being in LA tho.

Well, there was talk that his camp was ok with him in NY area so they might have a shot.

[baseline bum]

Fair criticism of Covington, but at least he plays a position of need. Fultz sucks and plays with position chock full of young prospects already.

All positions are positions of need in a total rebuild after the franchise walks out of town. I don't see Murray as a great starting option. A bit like George Hill, extremely limited game and will likely be expensive.

[picnroll]

I don’t know if Fultz is great or mediocre, doubt he sucks. People passing judgement on him based on his limited playing time to date are ridiculous.

[Spurs da champs]

Well, there was talk that his camp was ok with him in NY area so they might have a shot.

That team is garbage from top (Porzingis simply due to injury concern, & I think he's a soft euro pussy due to complaining to media of fatigue) to bottom tho.

[baseline bum]

What's so good about Fultz?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHYCFBASl_4

I'm not writing this guy off after one injured season. I mean I'm not thrilled with trading Kawhi for someone who is such a risk, but Jaylen Brown and Brandon Ingram are B-level talents at best. So unless I can get Tatum, Fultz is probably the guy I'm after. I'd rather have a 50/50 chance or even a 25/75 shot at A-level talent vs a 100% shot at a B-level one considering A-level and B-level talents will both command the 25% max salary coming off their rookie deals but only the A-level talent will actually win you any games. Of course I'd much rather get Tatum since he's probably a 80/20 chance of becoming an A-level player. It's lottery until the Spurs get their next A-level talent anyways.

[Dex]

The jury is still out on Fultz, but he obviously comes with red flags.

I do agree with the concerns that he doesn't really fill a position of need, but...if you can stockpile talent, you sort the rest out later. I'm just not sold on how talented Fultz really is since no one really got a chance to see him play in his first year. He could be amazing...or he could be a total bust. It's hard to except a gamble like that as a centerpiece of a trade for Kawhi.

[CGD]

I don’t know if Fultz is great or mediocre, doubt he sucks. People passing judgement on him based on his limited playing time to date are ridiculous.

Agree. Too soon to trash this kid.

The truth is we might have to go through a few pgs before settling on the long term guy. Murray showed a lot of good but he also has much more room to improve. White is still an unknown.

[duncan2150]

I don’t know if Fultz is great or mediocre, doubt he sucks. People passing judgement on him based on his limited playing time to date are ridiculous.

Totally agree With you and baseline.

plus fultz showed some good things last year, 7 pts 4 assists 3 rebounds and 1 stl with 18 minutes/game ....

[gambit1990]

so if kawhi is traded could he manage to pass a physical even if he still can’t play? idk how stringent nba physicals are.

i just realized if the spurs traded him to somewhere he really wouldn’t wanna be i wonder if he would try to fail a physical on purpose.



iirc, wasn’t there an end of season physical? no news from that i guess...

[Mr. Body]

What's so good about Fultz?

He's by far the best player of those mentioned. He was a top 3 talent in the draft last year. Sure, he was injured and had some shooting issues, but Blake Griffin was hurt his first year and won ROY the following one and shooting can be fixed.

[Spurs da champs]

so if kawhi is traded could he manage to pass a physical even if he still can’t play? idk how stringent nba physicals are.

i just realized if the spurs traded him to somewhere he wouldn’t wanna be i wonder if he would try to fail a physical on purpose.



iirc, wasn’t there an end of season physical? no news from that i guess...

Tyson Chandler was supposed to be traded to OKC but he failed physical & was sent back to Hornets, that was in 09. But I'm not aware of many failed physicals as of late, did IT fail his with Cavs?

[Mr. Body]

Only reason not to take Fultz in this situation would be our logjam at the PG/combo/SG slots, but that's a bad reason not to take him.

[blizz]

Maybe Brett does us a solid and takes him to F him over as a thank you to pop who basically made him.

[offset formation]

Thats fine.. never fault someone for that. But there are MUCH MUCH MUCH better ways of getting this ... Quitting your team, blaming problems on other people, etc is very unprofessional.

My post was in reference to Paul George, not Kawhi.

[toki9]

Per Bryan Colangelo's wife, the problem with Fultz was mental/emotional as well, something about the relationship between his mother and his trainer/shooting coach, the one who was responsible for breaking his shot over the summer.

[Extra Stout]

Buggin'? Lol. I'm not, I'm just saying we're not going to get a great return for a guy who swears he won't re-sign with the team we're trading him too.
It’s more than likely posturing. Watch him change his tune a couple of weeks into July once the big free agents sign.

[rasuo214]

Zero chance Philly would give us all that if Kawhi tells them he's signing with LA next Summer no matter what.

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I could see Philly offering Covington, ZSmith, Bayless and one of Saric or Fultz. Especially if they thought they could also get Lebron.

[Spurs da champs]

I could see Philly offering Covington, ZSmith, Bayless and one of Saric or Fultz. Especially if they thought they could also get Lebron.

They can keep Saric.

[rascal]

That was when his trade value was rock bottom. They should wait out free agency.

Then he just signs with the Lakers and there is no trade. Oh, you mean this year. Thought you meant next year. Why does his value go up after free agency?

[rasuo214]

He's by far the best player of those mentioned. He was a top 3 talent in the draft last year. Sure, he was injured and had some shooting issues, but Blake Griffin was hurt his first year and won ROY the following one and shooting can be fixed.

And so was Simmons and Embiid. How many teams would love to have one of those guys right now?

[tholdren]

Per Bryan Colangelo's wife, the problem with Fultz was mental/emotional as well, something about the relationship between his mother and his trainer/shooting coach, the one who was responsible for breaking his shot over the summer.

Lol this is what happens when gms let media and fans dictate bs hype over supposed potential. You draft players who cant shoot dribble pass or defend. Sad that fans have no sense of the game. Just awful

[mo7888]

Then he just signs with the Lakers and there is no trade. Oh, you mean this year. Thought you meant next year. Why does his value go up after free agency?

Because things change... if the Lakers sign two major free agents then there's no room for Kawhi.... and if they don't and still have room you can always trade kawhi east as a rental to a contender for a lesser package. Toronto, Milwaukee, Miami would all give packages for a rental. It's not ideal but, it's better than trading him to LA for crap. If I have to take a crap package it's in the east.

[99 Problems]

That 2021 1st (possible first High School yr) will be included.

[Ice009]

"Shelburne and Adrian Wojnarowski (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23846966/gregg-popovich-flying-california-attempt-meet-kawhi-leonard) noted Leonard will alert teams interested in acquiring him that he intends to sign in Los Angeles when he's eligible for free agency next summer. "

Is this a new quote?

[baseline bum]

Then he just signs with the Lakers and there is no trade. Oh, you mean this year. Thought you meant next year. Why does his value go up after free agency?

Because the Lakers only real shot to form a LeBron/PG13/Leonard trio is to have the Spurs trade Kawhi there in the next two or three weeks. If they sign PG13 + James it forces them to make a difficult decision on how they clear the last few million of capspace needed for those two. They have $61 million in capspace right now but would need $66 million to sign those two. The only assets they could use to move to that $66 million would be Ingram, Ball, or Deng. Everyone else would either be renounced (Randle) or doesn't make enough to salary dump (Kuzma, Hart). To move Deng they have to attach Ball or Ingram most likely. Maybe they get away doing it with only Kuzma attached, but Deng's contract is pretty ugly so I doubt it. They can't stretch Deng if they want to preserve capspace for Leonard, since the cap hit for Deng's stretched salary eats another $30 million off what Kawhi could be paid.

Even in the best case I can't see them holding onto that max salary slot. LeBron is about winning now and I expect he would not sign there if Magic wants to tie up nearly 1/3 of the payroll in unproductive capspace that isn't going to hit a jumpshot or stop a guy in transition for a year. I can't imagine someone his age at the tail end of his prime is going to be ok throwing a season of title contention away when the Lakers would be very strong candidates to sign Cousins, Capella, or DeAndre with the capspace they could open up this summer (on top of what they'd have to offer LeBron + PG13) by using Ball to get rid of Deng's contract. Then they could still hold onto Ingram and Kuzma also.

You take that Lakers superteam option off the table and Philly and Boston probably aren't concerned he leaves a stacked title contender to go be a one man show on the Clippers next summer. Then you might actually get a decent offer from each team. And you probably get a great offer from both teams if LeBron chooses Philly.

Worst case LeBron stays in Cleveland and the Lakers remain a viable option for signing Kawhi next summer, and we're back where we were draft night. No reason to rush things when the situation now is the same as the worst case trade market in two or three weeks.

[Crazymaddopeyo]

Is this a new quote?

Was on the bleacher report article about the Spurs not sending f Kawhi to the west today.

[palangi]

Neither looks to have much of a chance of becoming anything special.

I disagree. I think Ingram could be special.

[spursreport]

Only reason not to take Fultz in this situation would be our logjam at the PG/combo/SG slots, but that's a bad reason not to take him.

Ummmmm....How about losing our fucking franchise player??? Good God the fucking studpity coming out of spurs fans because they just care about their fucking “pride” over contending.

[Mr. Body]

Ummmmm....How about losing our fucking franchise player??? Good God the fucking studpity coming out of spurs fans because they just care about their fucking “pride” over contending.

Our franchise player lost his mind a year ago.

[baseline bum]

Ummmmm....How about losing our fucking franchise player??? Good God the fucking studpity coming out of spurs fans because they just care about their fucking “pride” over contending.

If they can extend Kawhi without giving him a no-trade clause then yeah you probably do that unless you believe he's facing a career threatening injury. But I believe him when he's leaking that he's done with this franchise. Though I'm not sold on supermaxing him, that's a tougher call IMO.

[r0drig0lac]

Pop makes his first appearance since the end of the season.

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the goat is smiling, good news

[marinoman]

Man, 146 pages and no one has mentioned the obvious solution? Just sign kawhi long term. Boom I just solved it, also get Lebron James. I really should be a gm

[dbestpro]

Perhaps the Spurs have decided that Kawhi will have to play one more year with them and if he does walk then they will go after Tobias Harris or Klay Thompson as a FA in 2019.

[coachmac87]

Fultz and Murray are close friends...

Just IMO horrible fit because neither can shoot and I dunno if they can play together on the floor..

But you do have to take him and have Chip do his thing..

[Hoops Czar]

the goat is smiling, good news

He doesn't take basketball seriously anymore.

[Spurs4#5]

At this point I don’t really care who we get. I just want kawhi gone and traded so we can actually get back to talking about spurs basketball and the upcoming season.

[Spurs4#5]

Fultz and Murray are close friends...

Just IMO horrible fit because neither can shoot and I dunno if they can play together on the floor..

But you do have to take him and have Chip do his thing..
Kawhi couldn’t shoot his first few years in the league. Just saying can’t always jump to conclusions after the first year or 2

[exstatic]

Fultz and Murray are close friends...

Just IMO horrible fit because neither can shoot and I dunno if they can play together on the floor..

But you do have to take him and have Chip do his thing..

Fultz was a 40% shooter from 3 in college on 5 attempts per game. Give him a few weeks with Chip.

[sasaint]

Perhaps the Spurs have decided that Kawhi will have to play one more year with them and if he does walk then they will go after Tobias Harris or Klay Thompson as a FA in 2019.

As a fan, I seriously hope not. I really don't want to have Kawhi as a lame duck Spur.

[sasaint]

He doesn't take basketball seriously anymore.

Lots to smile about. Life on Mars.

[rascal]

Because the Lakers only real shot to form a LeBron/PG13/Leonard trio is to have the Spurs trade Kawhi there in the next two or three weeks. If they sign PG13 + James it forces them to make a difficult decision on how they clear the last few million of capspace needed for those two. They have $61 million in capspace right now but would need $66 million to sign those two. The only assets they could use to move to that $66 million would be Ingram, Ball, or Deng. Everyone else would either be renounced (Randle) or doesn't make enough to salary dump (Kuzma, Hart). To move Deng they have to attach Ball or Ingram most likely. Maybe they get away doing it with only Kuzma attached, but Deng's contract is pretty ugly so I doubt it. They can't stretch Deng if they want to preserve capspace for Leonard, since the cap hit for Deng's stretched salary eats another $30 million off what Kawhi could be paid.

Even in the best case I can't see them holding onto that max salary slot. LeBron is about winning now and I expect he would not sign there if Magic wants to tie up nearly 1/3 of the payroll in unproductive capspace that isn't going to hit a jumpshot or stop a guy in transition for a year. I can't imagine someone his age at the tail end of his prime is going to be ok throwing a season of title contention away when the Lakers would be very strong candidates to sign Cousins, Capella, or DeAndre with the capspace they could open up this summer (on top of what they'd have to offer LeBron + PG13) by using Ball to get rid of Deng's contract. Then they could still hold onto Ingram and Kuzma also.

You take that Lakers superteam option off the table and Philly and Boston probably aren't concerned he leaves a stacked title contender to go be a one man show on the Clippers next summer. Then you might actually get a decent offer from each team. And you probably get a great offer from both teams if LeBron chooses Philly.

Worst case LeBron stays in Cleveland and the Lakers remain a viable option for signing Kawhi next summer, and we're back where we were draft night. No reason to rush things when the situation now is the same as the worst case trade market in two or three weeks.

Don't trade him to the Lakers. He should have been traded on draft night before he goes on saying he is going to the Lakers next summer no matter what. Should have moved him to Philadelphia on draft night as they were interested. Next year he will just leave and the Spurs get nothing. They could have gotten Bridges(Phil was not high on Bridges)and another player for Leonard.

[objective]

Per Bryan Colangelo's wife, the problem with Fultz was mental/emotional as well, something about the relationship between his mother and his trainer/shooting coach, the one who was responsible for breaking his shot over the summer.

Exactly.

Don't the Spurs have enough problems with childlike players who have 'Uncle' issues costing them entire seasons?

[objective]

Don't trade him to the Lakers. He should have been traded on draft night before he goes on saying he is going to the Lakers next summer no matter what. Should have moved him to Philadelphia on draft night as they were interested. Next year he will just leave and the Spurs get nothing.

Except 2 days before the draft he already put it out there through Woj that he was only signing with the Lakers. That card was played.

[BatManu20]

Perhaps the Spurs have decided that Kawhi will have to play one more year with them and if he does walk then they will go after Tobias Harris or Klay Thompson as a FA in 2019.


Doubtful. If Spurs can’t come to some sort of an agreement with Kawhi in the coming weeks/months, they’re going to trade him imo. The tension in the locker room would be awful and the players would likely want him gone. And you have to get SOMETHING for him. You just do.

[gambit1990]

i don't ever remember seeing kawhi's jordans on this site. they came out a couple months ago, they're sick:

https://sneakernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/air-jordan-1-kawhi-leonard-art-of-a-champion-release-date-5.jpg

i would've bought them asap if i had known about them. i'd cop a pair but they're running $800 now.

[rascal]

Except 2 days before the draft he already put it out there through Woj that he was only signing with the Lakers. That card was played.

Teams were still interested in Leonard. Next year there won't be any interest, he is gone and no trade.

[picnroll]

At this point it’s all very obvious what will happen. Spurs will try to convince Leonard to sign a long term deal. If that doesn’t happen, and it’s unlikely it will, they’ll trade him to the team in the East that makes the best offer which will likely be Philly or Boston. Neither can entirely sleep on Leonard for fear the other team can talk him into a long term deal particularly if LA bombs out in free agency. First choice would be Tatum but doubtful Boston would trade him, maybe if Leonard was a guaranteed signing. Short of Tatum I’d go for Fultz and whatever else can be pried from Philly, Saric, Bolden, Miami pick, etc. This isn’t a tragedy because even with Leonard Spurs aren’t title contenders. Time to rebuild.

[BatManu20]

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[Spurs4#5]

Doubtful. If Spurs can’t come to some sort of an agreement with Kawhi in the coming weeks/months, they’re going to trade him imo. The tension in the locker room would be awful and the players would likely want him gone. And you have to get SOMETHING for him. You just do.
Agreed. Plus you don’t want to reward that type of behavior with new people coming in. They see you bow down for person and they expect you to bow down for them. It’s a very slippery slope to losing control over your players

[objective]

Teams were still interested in Leonard. Next year there won't be any interest, he is gone and no trade.

Fact is days before the draft Woj and Shelburne did an ESPN story about telling teams that he would only sign with Lakers. His trade value was already murdered by Kawhi and his group.

He can be gone. But the franchise should have some self respect. I would be thrilled if they sit him all year, going to cost him tens of millions.

[sasaint]

Doubtful. If Spurs can’t come to some sort of an agreement with Kawhi in the coming weeks/months, they’re going to trade him imo. The tension in the locker room would be awful and the players would likely want him gone. And you have to get SOMETHING for him. You just do.

I really don't expect Kawhi to be a Spur at season's start. I don't think PATFO could bear up to the tension in the locker room.

[cd021]

I think Ingram has a higher ceiling than Brown, tbqh. Durability is only concern.
No chance that's true IMO. I think Ingram is highly overrated and he seems to be polarizing with people around the league. The Spurs may not even want him.

[cd021]

Fultz was a 40% shooter from 3 in college on 5 attempts per game. Give him a few weeks with Chip.
He was one of the most productive college players in that season that he came out; 23.5 ppg, 47 FG%, 40% 3pt, 6 rpg, 6 apg.

I would take the risk on him if the 76'ers offer him up.

[BillMc]

At this point it’s all very obvious what will happen. Spurs will try to convince Leonard to sign a long term deal. If that doesn’t happen, and it’s unlikely it will, they’ll trade him to the team in the East that makes the best offer which will likely be Philly or Boston. Neither can entirely sleep on Leonard for fear the other team can talk him into a long term deal particularly if LA bombs out in free agency. First choice would be Tatum but doubtful Boston would trade him, maybe if Leonard was a guaranteed signing. Short of Tatum I’d go for Fultz and whatever else can be pried from Philly, Saric, Bolden, Miami pick, etc. This isn’t a tragedy because even with Leonard Spurs aren’t title contenders. Time to rebuild.

Agreed with everything you said until "even with Leonard Spurs aren't title contenders." I think they are with a healthy, onboard Leonard, especially with the Chris Paul issue maybe sinking Houston. Of course, the Warriors are and should be heavily favored over a Kawhi Spurs team. But nobody else in the league would be except maybe Houston. East teams are too young and its still the East. Spurs would be definite contenders. Good chance of being 2nd best team in the league.

Sadly, I think we'll never know as we're either going to trade Leonard or get a petulant, half-hearted KL who is forced to come back for 1 more year. And even then his "injury" could return.

[palangi]

Just trade him to the Lakers for their first rounder next year, ingram, kuzma, and Wagner

[BackHome]

And we all thought Rodman was crazy man Kawhi uncle Fester is costing Kawhi major bling. I am down with the Spur
screwing the Flakers you know Magic and Uncle Fester we’re talking all year long. Screw them we ship his ass to the East even a team like Philly or Boston who are close to a ring would give us something - Shit I think Boston has like 3 first round potential lottery picks.

[sasaint]

Agreed with everything you said until "even with Leonard Spurs aren't title contenders." I think they are with a healthy, onboard Leonard, especially with the Chris Paul issue maybe sinking Houston. Of course, the Warriors are and should be heavily favored over a Kawhi Spurs team. But nobody else in the league would be except maybe Houston. East teams are too young and its still the East. Spurs would be definite contenders. Good chance of being 2nd best team in the league.

Sadly, I think we'll never know as we're either going to trade Leonard or get a petulant, half-hearted KL who is forced to come back for 1 more year. And even then his "injury" could return.

I have a hard time believing that PATFO thinks that is the best thing for the health of the franchise. I believe that is their first priority. As a fan, I would be about as half-hearted as Kawhi about the Spurs if he were to be a lame duck for a year.

I think you are underestimating the East. Boston grew up a year without a couple of guys that everybody expected to be their core players. And Ainge is likely to make a big play or two this offseason. It is early yet.

Philly is young, but probably on the verge of making a big move or two, also - even if they don't acquire Kawhi. They are a LeBron signing and a completely healthy Embiid away from a possible title.

The Spurs are nothing more than question marks from top to bottom of their roster. Even with last year's rock, LMA, there is some speculation that if Kawhi is gone, LMA might be as well.

[BatManu20]

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[BillMc]

I have a hard time believing that PATFO thinks that is the best thing for the health of the franchise. I believe that is their first priority. As a fan, I would be about as half-hearted as Kawhi about the Spurs if he were to be a lame duck for a year.

I think you are underestimating the East. Boston grew up a year without a couple of guys that everybody expected to be their core players. And Ainge is likely to make a big play or two this offseason. It is early yet.

Philly is young, but probably on the verge of making a big move or two, also - even if they don't acquire Kawhi. They are a LeBron signing and a completely healthy Embiid away from a possible title.

The Spurs are nothing more than question marks from top to bottom of their roster. Even with last year's rock, LMA, there is some speculation that if Kawhi is gone, LMA might be as well.

The scenario is if Kawhi were here and engaged. In which case we definitely would be a contender. There is always a lot of "grass is greener" mentality on ST, which underestimates our team and tends to ignore the flaws and problems in other teams. Those East teams lost to the worst Cavs team since LeBron returned, a team the Spurs would have had a good chance against even without Kawhi and would have been heavily favored with him. Spurs had a real shot at the 3rd seed in the West even without Kawhi. Rudy Gay doesn't get injured and I think they get it.

But its all moot as I would be shocked if we keep KL.

[ace3g]

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[BackHome]

For Philly or Boston to have a chance next year they need Kawhi or Lebron. I don’t buy Kawhi misses LA he spent a lot of time in New York and I believe Uncle Fester lives in the East Cost so Work out a deal or another year where the following happens.

1. You fake injury Spurs see you in court
2. You tear your ACL/MCL/Achilles tendon
3. You don’t play so no shoe deals or endorsements
4. Your throwing millions of dollars down the drain.

[Play Boban]

:lol low iq fans obsessing over some dudes overpriced shoes :lol

[coachmac87]

Fultz was a 40% shooter from 3 in college on 5 attempts per game. Give him a few weeks with Chip.

Yeah that’s true but his mechanics were never good and they hit rock bottom after injury..,but confidence is the ultimate key of being a “good shooter”.

[tholdren]

:lol low iq obsessing over some dudes overpriced shoes :lol

[sasaint]

The scenario is if Kawhi were here and engaged. In which case we definitely would be a contender. There is always a lot of "grass is greener" mentality on ST, which underestimates our team and tends to ignore the flaws and problems in other teams. Those East teams lost to the worst Cavs team since LeBron returned, a team the Spurs would have had a good chance against even without Kawhi and would have been heavily favored with him. Spurs had a real shot at the 3rd seed in the West even without Kawhi. Rudy Gay doesn't get injured and I think they get it.

But its all moot as I would be shocked if we keep KL.

If Kawhi were here and engaged, I agree we would rank as team that could possibly challenge the Dubs - right along with Boston and possibly Philly. Milwaukee is a dark horse.

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:lol

[picnroll]

Unless there is an incredibly remarkable progression of Murray, White and Walker thecSpurs don’t have the guard play to be title contenders. Parker and Mills don’t cut it. Not enough offense. Maybe in two three years with seasoning of the youngsters and a good big.

[cd021]

If the Spurs do move him, I see two options;



1. Kawhi and Gasol for Hayward and Brown or the 2019 Kings pick

2. Kawhi for Fultz, Bayless, Pasecniks, Miami 2021 1st, Philly's 2019 pick and Kings 2019 second round pick,



With Kawhi intentionally trying to tank his value, I don't see better offers coming down tbh

[Ron Swanson]

Just trade him to the Lakers for their first rounder next year, ingram, kuzma, and Wagner

Fuck that.

[Mr. Body]

If the Spurs do move him, I see two options;



1. Kawhi and Gasol for Hayward and Brown or the 2019 Kings pick

2. Kawhi for Fultz, Bayless, Pasecniks, Miami 2021 1st, Philly's 2019 pick and Kings 2019 second round pick,



With Kawhi intentionally trying to tank his value, I don't see better offers coming down tbh

That Hayward contract is huge.

[BackHome]

Just keeping him and Lebron from making a super team with the Flakers makes the Spurs champions next year in my eyes.

[Thomas82]

If the Spurs do move him, I see two options;



1. Kawhi and Gasol for Hayward and Brown or the 2019 Kings pick

2. Kawhi for Fultz, Bayless, Pasecniks, Miami 2021 1st, Philly's 2019 pick and Kings 2019 second round pick,



With Kawhi intentionally trying to tank his value, I don't see better offers coming down tbh

I would rather have that deal. Those draft picks plus our own would give us a good start to this rebuild.

[rasuo214]

Where Paul George and Lebron end up could play a big factor in Kawhi's value to other teams. So it might be best to wait until those guys sign, unless there's a good enough offer (like Philly wanting to get Kawhi as part of pitch to sign Lebron).

[rasuo214]

Doubtful. If Spurs can’t come to some sort of an agreement with Kawhi in the coming weeks/months, they’re going to trade him imo. The tension in the locker room would be awful and the players would likely want him gone. And you have to get SOMETHING for him. You just do.

Not just the tension, it'd be a media circus all season. I'm not sure that's something Pop wants to deal with.

[offset formation]

Doubtful. If Spurs can’t come to some sort of an agreement with Kawhi in the coming weeks/months, they’re going to trade him imo. The tension in the locker room would be awful and the players would likely want him gone. And you have to get SOMETHING for him. You just do.

Kind of... you can also just send a message. Hold him until the trade deadline next year and send him to Detroit or Milwaukee or Minnesota or Denver for whatever scrub or pick they're willing to give you in return for a two month rental and playoff push.

You aren't winning anyway without him. He and his camp have already sent their message and been disruptive and dismissive. Return the fucking favor. Let him know we are willing to take one on the chin to send him and his camp a lesson that costs them millions.

All that will mean is a return to the lottery sooner. Fuck that fool.

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Not just the tension, it'd be a media circus all season. I'm not sure that's something Pop wants to deal with.

Sit his ass. Just like the Lakers did with Deng--basically exiled that guy. It's well within their rights.

If it's good enough for the Lakers, well, by god, it damn well ought to be good enough for the Spurs.

[marinoman]

It wont be a circus long, theyll either be an extension a month or two into the season or he’ll refuse so they trade him. I can’t imagine this lasting into December

[spurs10]

Sit his ass. Just like the Lakers did with Deng--basically exiled that guy. It's well within their rights.

If it's good enough for the Lakers, well, by god, it damn well ought to be good enough for the Spurs. I think they'll play him and if he doesn't show up you suspend him. He has to play at an All NBA level next season or he'll be hurting himself more than the $80 million hit his "team" is going to cost him losing the super-max. It doesn't make sense benching him because you lose $19 million. He needs to play and play like nothing ever happened.....wherever he plays!

[raybies]

Ah, the thread that doesn’t sleep...

[BillMc]

It wont be a circus long, theyll either be an extension a month or two into the season or he’ll refuse so they trade him. I can’t imagine this lasting into December

Can't be a supermax extension after mid-October unless he re-qualifies next year.

[cd021]

I think they'll play him and if he doesn't show up you suspend him. He has to play at an All NBA level next season or he'll be hurting himself more than the $80 million hit his "team" is going to cost him losing the super-max. It doesn't make sense benching him because you lose $19 million. He needs to play and play like nothing ever happened.....wherever he plays!
Apparently, he doesn't care about the super max.

They could play this out until mid October, the DPE deadline, which is after training camp and the pre-season. If he looks good then they can offer it to him, if he declines then they ship him out to Boston or Philly-assuming they have proposals on the table.

[cd021]

That Hayward contract is huge.

It's a max but he's only just turned 28 so it's not like it will necessarily be a bad one going forward. Swapping Kawhi for Hayward is a clear downgrade but so is losing Kawhi for nothing.

It would allow the Spurs to stay competitive for the next two seasons before having to make decisions such as; whether to re-sign Aldridge, and for how much and how long, it would also coincide with Brown's and Murray's RFA. If both or either turn into stars then that could be a expensive team but a potentially good one.

[cd021]

Where Paul George and Lebron end up could play a big factor in Kawhi's value to other teams. So it might be best to wait until those guys sign, unless there's a good enough offer (like Philly wanting to get Kawhi as part of pitch to sign Lebron).


I could see the Cavs making a last ditch attempt to keep Lebron by making a deal with the Hornets;


Cavs Gets-
Kemba Walker
Nickolas Batum

Charlotte Gets
Ante Zizic
Cedi Osman
George Hill
Collin Sexton

Don't know if that's enough to get him to stay but Lebron, Kemba and Love is a pretty good big 3 with Batum being a versatile offensive player who can defend on the perimeter.

[rasuo214]

Sit his ass. Just like the Lakers did with Deng--basically exiled that guy. It's well within their rights.

If it's good enough for the Lakers, well, by god, it damn well ought to be good enough for the Spurs.

Yea because Pop and the team want to be constantly asked why Kawhi is sitting. The Spurs try to avoid media attention, not invite it.

[rasuo214]

I could see the Cavs making a last ditch attempt to keep Lebron by making a deal with the Hornets;


Cavs Gets-
Kemba Walker
Nickolas Batum

Charlotte Gets
Ante Zizic
Cedi Osman
George Hill
Collin Sexton

Don't know if that's enough to get him to stay but Lebron, Kemba and Love is a pretty good big 3 with Batum being a versatile offensive player who can defend on the perimeter.


That would be a good move if they can keep Lebron. I wonder if that would be enough to make Philly or Boston want to pony up for Kawhi though.

[Slippy]

I think they'll play him and if he doesn't show up you suspend him. He has to play at an All NBA level next season or he'll be hurting himself more than the $80 million hit his "team" is going to cost him losing the super-max. It doesn't make sense benching him because you lose $19 million. He needs to play and play like nothing ever happened.....wherever he plays!

Dont see that happening unless he signs an extension. Theres no way spurs want the same headaches of last season. If theres uncertainty rhe media will be relentless on the Spurs . This team doesnt want to go through that BS again. My guess, they will most likely have traded him before the season starts .

[Slippy]

Yea because Pop and the team want to be constantly asked why Kawhi is sitting. The Spurs try to avoid media attention, not invite it.
My thoughts exactly. Rodman & more recently Kawhi is enough.

[objective]

And you have to get SOMETHING for him. You just do.

No you don't.

There's no way the Spurs don't lose in the deal. They will no longer be contenders. They will no longer have a top ten player. They will be finished.

And when the Spurs are the 5/6 seed and first round losers and Kawhi is winning a ring in 11 months and the media is worshipping him and pissing on San Antonio, every Spurs fan will feel like shit. Even with Saric and some Miami pick that might or might not be lotto, everyone will feel like shit. Despite Terry Rozier and a King's pick in a crap draft, it's going to feel like garbage. Every tv show, radio, podcast, everything, will trash San Antonio. Nothing will make that feel different.

Ask yourselves how Denver and Orlando fans feel. Did they have to get something for Melo and Dwight? All it got them was years of crap, and worse. The players and picks they got back not only didn't mean anything, it see them back years because they felt obligated to PAY those guys. After all, they couldn't just let those guys walk. So they paid Gallo and Chandler and Vucevic and wish they hadn't.

Hell, Memphis might have had the best case scenario. They accidentally got an all star back for Pau. But what did that REALLY get them? One western conference finals where they were destroyed by the Spurs and are now fading into over paid obscurity. What did the Lakers get? Just 2 rings and another finals appearance.

Trying to get something, anything for Kawhi is folly and will end with a sick feeling in the gut.

After the shenanigans Kawhi has pulled, I'll feel better knowing he's been sat while the vultures drain him dry.

[r0drig0lac]

No you don't.

There's no way the Spurs don't lose in the deal. They will no longer be contenders. They will no longer have a top ten player. They will be finished.

And when the Spurs are the 5/6 seed and first round losers and Kawhi is winning a ring in 11 months and the media is worshipping him and pissing on San Antonio, every Spurs fan will feel like shit. Even with Saric and some Miami pick that might or might not be lotto, everyone will feel like shit. Despite Terry Rozier and a King's pick in a crap draft, it's going to feel like garbage. Every tv show, radio, podcast, everything, will trash San Antonio. Nothing will make that feel different.

Ask yourselves how Denver and Orlando fans feel. Did they have to get something for Melo and Dwight? All it got them was years of crap, and worse. The players and picks they got back not only didn't mean anything, it see them back years because they felt obligated to PAY those guys. After all, they couldn't just let those guys walk. So they paid Gallo and Chandler and Vucevic and wish they hadn't.

Hell, Memphis might have had the best case scenario. They accidentally got an all star back for Pau. But what did that REALLY get them? One western conference finals where they were destroyed by the Spurs and are now fading into over paid obscurity. What did the Lakers get? Just 2 rings and another finals appearance.

Trying to get something, anything for Kawhi is folly and will end with a sick feeling in the gut.

After the shenanigans Kawhi has pulled, I'll feel better knowing he's been sat while the vultures drain him dry.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/bobo.gif

ps: I still can not believe they have people wanting to give Kawhi and his uncle what they want, make him pay, Pop should keep the guy playing in SA for a full season, let's see if he can handle that pressure

[Ice009]

Fuck it, I'm willing to let him sit on the bench all year. I agree with Objective. We'll all feel like crap in a year or two if we give him what he wants. If the return is good, trade him, if not, let him walk to LA as a free agent.

[vander]

No you don't.

There's no way the Spurs don't lose in the deal. They will no longer be contenders. They will no longer have a top ten player. They will be finished.

And when the Spurs are the 5/6 seed and first round losers and Kawhi is winning a ring in 11 months and the media is worshipping him and pissing on San Antonio, every Spurs fan will feel like shit. Even with Saric and some Miami pick that might or might not be lotto, everyone will feel like shit. Despite Terry Rozier and a King's pick in a crap draft, it's going to feel like garbage. Every tv show, radio, podcast, everything, will trash San Antonio. Nothing will make that feel different.

Ask yourselves how Denver and Orlando fans feel. Did they have to get something for Melo and Dwight? All it got them was years of crap, and worse. The players and picks they got back not only didn't mean anything, it see them back years because they felt obligated to PAY those guys. After all, they couldn't just let those guys walk. So they paid Gallo and Chandler and Vucevic and wish they hadn't.

Hell, Memphis might have had the best case scenario. They accidentally got an all star back for Pau. But what did that REALLY get them? One western conference finals where they were destroyed by the Spurs and are now fading into over paid obscurity. What did the Lakers get? Just 2 rings and another finals appearance.

Trying to get something, anything for Kawhi is folly and will end with a sick feeling in the gut.

After the shenanigans Kawhi has pulled, I'll feel better knowing he's been sat while the vultures drain him dry.

If he actually won't resign anywhere but LA, then the Spurs really should keep him this year, can't let him get away with that BS. won't the Spurs still have trade leverage next year because of bird rights? make him face the team he quit on for another year, and then either lose millions by becoming a free agent, or S&T where the Spurs want to trade him.

[spurschamps99030507]

If he actually won't resign anywhere but LA, then the Spurs really should keep him this year, can't let him get away with that BS. won't the Spurs still have trade leverage next year because of bird rights? make him face the team he quit on for another year, and then either lose millions by becoming a free agent, or S&T where the Spurs want to trade him.

if he sign supermax with the spurs they can't trade him at least first season of the new contract (nba rules)

[RsxPiimp]

man, y’all treating this like a high school break up :lol id be surprised if the spurs allows this drama to drag into the 18’ season, while spursfan continues a season-long lament for a player who doesn’t want to be there. they simply can’t compromise what makes them one of the best franchise in the league. it’s always been a players league, so imagine how other potential free agents would look at how poorly the spurs have handled this situation— assuming they sit the guy while they take exhaust all kinds of legal action to spite KL— that is donald sterling level of malice and dan gilbert level of pettiness and the liberal media would roast PATFO for tormenting a deaf mute individual who simply wants a new start.


trading him is the best option, but if the rumors of his desire to play in los angeles next season are true, unfortunately i don’t see much value in return, especially not from a stickler like danny ainge- also, if the spurs brass are dedicated in trading him only to an eastern conference team and fultz is the best “asset” they could get, then good luck developing a bust.

[picnroll]

man, y’all treating this like a high school break up :lol id be surprised if the spurs allows this drama to drag into the 18’ season, while spursfan continues a season-long lament for a player who doesn’t want to be there. they simply can’t compromise what makes them one of the best franchise in the league. it’s always been a players league, so imagine how other potential free agents would look at how poorly the spurs have handled this situation— assuming they sit the guy while they take exhaust all kinds of legal action to spite KL— that is donald sterling level of malice and dan gilbert level of pettiness and the liberal media would roast PATFO for tormenting a deaf mute individual who simply wants a new start.


trading him is the best option, but if the rumors of his desire to play in los angeles next season are true, unfortunately i don’t see much value in return, especially not from a stickler like danny ainge- also, if the spurs brass are dedicated in trading him only to an eastern conference team and fultz is the best “asset” they could get, then good luck developing a bust.
Unless Leonard is on board with the Spurs I don’t want him anywhere near the young Spurs. If the best you can get is a 10th round pick in the 2030 draft fine. Then trade him to the worst friggin team in the East on condition that they play his sorry ass 58 minutes a game.

[RsxPiimp]

Unless Leonard is on board with the Spurs I don’t want him anywhere near the young Spurs. If the best you can get is a 10th round pick in the 2030 draft fine. Then trade him to the worst friggin team in the East on condition that they play his sorry ass 58 minutes a game.

exactly- if his mind is made up, id trade him. the litmus test is where they send him. sadly, there’s not much option for san antonio. if they really want to stick it to the guy one last time, id send him to charlotte and play for one of the worse owner in the league (in terms of moral and ethics :lol) but in all honesty, the spurs shouldn’t limit themselves in this useless “conference “ argument, especially since there’s talks of a possible 1-16 playoff format.

[barbacoataco]

Unless Leonard is on board with the Spurs I don’t want him anywhere near the young Spurs. If the best you can get is a 10th round pick in the 2030 draft fine. Then trade him to the worst friggin team in the East on condition that they play his sorry ass 58 minutes a game.

I wouldn't worry about him being around young players. He doesn't speak anyway.

I agree with those who say keep him, let him play if he can, and trade him midseason to an Eastern Confrrence contender. There's also an outside chance that if he plays well, and the Spurs have a good season, they could still fix the relationship and extend him next year.

No way I would trade him to Lakers now unless they offer a package that it is over the top.

[vander]

if he sign supermax with the spurs they can't trade him at least first season of the new contract (nba rules)

supermax is out of the question, I meant how much he can make from a regular extension next year vs. signing as a free agent

[picnroll]

I’d also bug uncle Dennis, Magic and Jeannie Buss’s phones and nail the collaborating SOBs to the wall. I’m praying they already have the goods on the Lakers and are just holding back to see how this resolves itself.

[bluebellmaniac]

I’d also bug uncle Dennis, Magic and Jeannie Buss’s phones and nail the collaborating SOBs to the wall. I’m praying they already have the goods on the Lakers and are just holding back to see how this resolves itself.

At this point, something like that would be the best outcome. If you could show interference by the Lakers with their recent fines over such, you'd end up with them being banned from signing KL and would probably lose draft picks. Ideal.

[RsxPiimp]

No way I would trade him to Lakers now unless they offer a package that it is over the top.

the lakers shouldn’t trade anything for a guy who may eventually sign with them next year. they’re not only giving up any little assets they have but it’s also a huge risk to commit to someone who may not be the same player.

but it’s a typical Lakers move and I could see it going down since jeanie is thirsty for star appeal. IMO, i’d let the young guys play, give them another season to grow. im not being facetious here but they’ve sucked for so long, what’s another season? letting go of ingram in his third year, a season where he’s worked the hardest in his career, is going to be a crucial mistake in terms of timing. the lakers s can potentially have both leonard and ingram if they play their cards right...

[RsxPiimp]

and i don't think the lakers is KL’s preferred team if im being honest here. seems like a bargaining tactic since uncle knows the spurs would never, ever trade him to that franchise. nothing in leonards personality screams “lakers”. he hates the spotlight and he’d be the worst fit, in terms of personality and if they simply want $, SAS is the only team that can offer him a Supermax, the Lakers and “i just want to be home” angle just never seemed authentic to me.


i think after their situation with the franchise turned sour, his uncle’s plan all along was to send him east.

[barbacoataco]

Yeah if he really wants to sign there anyway they don't have to trade for him. But- if they're trying to put together s super team with Lebron time is important because he will be 36 in two years.

[r0drig0lac]

man, y’all treating this like a high school break up :lol id be surprised if the spurs allows this drama to drag into the 18’ season, while spursfan continues a season-long lament for a player who doesn’t want to be there. they simply can’t compromise what makes them one of the best franchise in the league. it’s always been a players league, so imagine how other potential free agents would look at how poorly the spurs have handled this situation— assuming they sit the guy while they take exhaust all kinds of legal action to spite KL— that is donald sterling level of malice and dan gilbert level of pettiness and the liberal media would roast PATFO for tormenting a deaf mute individual who simply wants a new start.


trading him is the best option, but if the rumors of his desire to play in los angeles next season are true, unfortunately i don’t see much value in return, especially not from a stickler like danny ainge- also, if the spurs brass are dedicated in trading him only to an eastern conference team and fultz is the best “asset” they could get, then good luck developing a bust.
ok http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smirolleyes.gif

[MaNu4Tres]

Bron wont consider LA until they have a star in place. Hes not going to LA to babysit. Therefore, the Spurs waiting it out until Bron is forced to stay in CLE is extremely smart.

1) They dont want to help create a Super Team in LA. If they just wait it out, they can destroy that possibility.

2) The Lakers will get more desperate after they whiff on Bron/PG.

At the very worst, they want Kawhi to suffer by himself in LA with no star help.

[Extra Stout]

and i don't think the lakers is KL’s preferred team if im being honest here. seems like a bargaining tactic since uncle knows the spurs would never, ever trade him to that franchise. nothing in leonards personality screams “lakers”. he hates the spotlight and he’d be the worst fit, in terms of personality and if they simply want $, SAS is the only team that can offer him a Supermax, the Lakers and “i just want to be home” angle just never seemed authentic to me.


i think after their situation with the franchise turned sour, his uncle’s plan all along was to send him east.
I think Leonard would love to play at home for a team where LBJ absorbs all the leadership responsibility and media scrutiny, and Leonard can just ball and stay mute. His group knows there is no way the Spurs willingly would trade him to the Lakers, much less to help form a super-team. That’s why he faked the injury, sat out the year, and torpedoed the relationship — to back them into a corner and force their hand. All this drama was just a ruse.

And this nonsense about not caring about money — BS. Whatever he might lose between the supermax in SA and an extension in LA would more than be made up on the shoe contract in the #2 market on a super-team.

But there is a narrow time window to make it happen, thus the desperate and palpable media frustration that the Spurs smelled the rat. If LBJ goes to LA, they aren’t going to wait a year for Kawhi; they’ll acquire another piece instead.

Once that happens, Kawhi’s camp will “graciously” “accommodate” the Spurs’ desire to send him East and signal his willingness to extend in PHI or BOS.

[cd98]

Yea, if Kawhi didn't care about money then why didn't he sign the Nike shoe deal?

[picnroll]

Yeah if he really wants to sign there anyway they don't have to trade for him. But- if they're trying to put together s super team with Lebron time is important because he will be 36 in two years.
Plus they run the risk that Spurs trade him to another team and he’s content there a la Paul George who appears to be settled in OKC.

I personally think Leonard has significant mental issues and wants/needs to be in LA along with the fact he’s easily manipulated. It’s not that he wants to be in LA, it’s the way he’s gone about it.

[bklynspursfan]

I think Leonard would love to play at home for a team where LBJ absorbs all the leadership responsibility and media scrutiny, and Leonard can just ball and stay mute. His group knows there is no way the Spurs willingly would trade him to the Lakers, much less to help form a super-team. That’s why he faked the injury, sat out the year, and torpedoed the relationship — to back them into a corner and force their hand. All this drama was just a ruse.

And this nonsense about not caring about money — BS. Whatever he might lose between the supermax in SA and an extension in LA would more than be made up on the shoe contract in the #2 market on a super-team.

But there is a narrow time window to make it happen, thus the desperate and palpable media frustration that the Spurs smelled the rat. If LBJ goes to LA, they aren’t going to wait a year for Kawhi; they’ll acquire another piece instead.

Once that happens, Kawhi’s camp will “graciously” “accommodate” the Spurs’ desire to send him East and signal his willingness to extend in PHI or BOS.

And at that point we make sure he ends up in Atlanta or Chicago

[spursparker9]

Buford saying to exhaust all option to keep Kawhi would probably drag this Kawnightmare until Feb trade deadline.

Although Buford and Pop would definitely don't want to be involved in any part of creating a super team (for Lakers), I am afraid it still may lead to it...because:

By Feb trade deadline. Assuming Lakers had signed both PG13 and Lebron and lesser and lesser team (other than Lakers) is willing to offer any trade asset because they know it will be a rental for 2019 playoff as Kawhi had already stated clearly and scared off the 28 teams other than Lakers. So, at that point, Lakers would be the only team making the offer and hence leverage is on their side.

So it may come down to the ultimate decision:

1) Trade kawhi to Lakers and get back some young players. (This would mean Buford and Pop helped in creating the superteam)

2) Let Kawhi played his final season with the Spurs until end of 2019 playoffs. And in the 2019 off-season, Kawhi sign with Lakers (assuming a pay-cut? since PG13 and Lebron ate up the cap space) and hence this also created the superteam.

Either way, it would definitely be awkward between Kawhi and all the Spurs in training camp. Who know what happens? Maybe Kawhi would come out with another 'injury' and not play for the Spurs due to the awkwardness and distrusting knowing that all these camaraderie is only for 1 final season.

The whole situation is really bad for both Spurs and Kawhi and is bizarre.

[Extra Stout]

Plus they run the risk that Spurs trade him to another team and he’s content there a la Paul George who appears to be settled in OKC.

I personally think Leonard has significant mental issues and wants/needs to be in LA along with the fact he’s easily manipulated. It’s not that he wants to be in LA, it’s the way he’s gone about it.
George is mulling over a LeBron-style 1+1. I think that’s a backup plan, frankly. With Kawhi-to-LA kaput, the next option would be for LA to recruit a different third piece to go with him and LBJ. If all else fails, punt, stay in OKC another year, and see what LA can work out in 2019.

[Extra Stout]

2) Let Kawhi played his final season with the Spurs until end of 2019 playoffs. And in the 2019 off-season, Kawhi sign with Lakers (assuming a pay-cut? since PG13 and Lebron ate up the cap space) and hence this also created the superteam.

If Kawhi wants to pass up a $179 million extension following a trade in favor of a $99 million deal with the Lakers, more power to him. The chances he’ll actually do that are close to nil.

[offset formation]

Yea because Pop and the team want to be constantly asked why Kawhi is sitting. The Spurs try to avoid media attention, not invite it.

Were the Lakers constantly asked about Deng?

All you have to say is that Leonard is not part of your immediate plans and is sitting in favor of the young players while a suitable trade for both sides is worked out. Except you dont actually have to be working on a trade.

Again I say, sit his ass. Then trade him at the deadline to the least desirable place you can to a team that's in a playoff hunt, knowing when he leaves he's costing himself millions more.

Win. Profit.

[cd021]

That would be a good move if they can keep Lebron. I wonder if that would be enough to make Philly or Boston want to pony up for Kawhi though.

It could cause a ripple effect;

-Cavs and Charlotte swap Hill, Zizic, Sexton and Osman for Batum and Walker.

-Cavs improve with a big 3 of Walker, Lebron, and Love with a better supporting cast than the trash they had to rely on last year)

-Charlotte drops from being 10th or 11th to being a bottom 5 team

-With Lebron possibly staying in L.A., PG-13 rethinks leaving and decides to stay with Westbrook in OKC.

-Without others stars in L.A, Kawhi and Uncle Dennis become more open to signing re-signing with the Eastern conference team that the Spurs trade possibly trade him to.

-Philly and Boston both go hard after Kawhi with Lebron and PG-13 off the market, and believing that they can end the Cavs streak of NBA finals appearance. Spurs can play them against each other, to get the best deal.

-Boston dangles Hayward, Brown and a top 1 protected 2019 Kings pick and PATFO ships Kawhi's ass out to Boston.

-Spurs compete, and probably get a top 4 seed in the west while the Kings are one of the worst teams, securing the Spurs a top 5 pick and the 23rd-25th pick and potentially allowing for the Spurs to package the two together and move up into the top 3 for franchise level player.


who knows, not entirely out of the question...

[Mr. Body]

I’d also bug uncle Dennis, Magic and Jeannie Buss’s phones and nail the collaborating SOBs to the wall. I’m praying they already have the goods on the Lakers and are just holding back to see how this resolves itself.

I wonder if there is evidence already. The Spurs shut them down right quick, apparently.

[exstatic]

exactly- if his mind is made up, id trade him. the litmus test is where they send him. sadly, there’s not much option for san antonio. if they really want to stick it to the guy one last time, id send him to charlotte and play for one of the worse owner in the league (in terms of moral and ethics :lol) but in all honesty, the spurs shouldn’t limit themselves in this useless “conference “ argument, especially since there’s talks of a possible 1-16 playoff format.
If they really want to stick it to him, and the offers are garbage, just keep him, send him home so he’s not around the team, and let him roll off in FA. If you flip him to NBA he’ll, there’s a chance that team will flip him to the Lakers s before the deadline.

[picnroll]

gleague Leonard welcome to bus rides and Denny’s restaurants. Gotta rehab that quad after all.

[BackHome]

I was watching one episode were they we’re talking about how the front office suddenly put out collusion warning to all Flaker employees right before draft. They have been caught twice recently putting there hands in the cookie jar also it seemed like certain Flaker players Bryon Scottt had inside info that Kawhi was coming to the Flakers.

Add to the fact your not hearing as much chatter from the Flakers mouth pieces lends me to think Pop busted them

[Mugen]

tampering happens throughout the league, every team likely does it. The Lakers are just the ones stupid enough to regularly get caught :lol

[offset formation]

Fact is days before the draft Woj and Shelburne did an ESPN story about telling teams that he would only sign with Lakers. His trade value was already murdered by Kawhi and his group.

He can be gone. But the franchise should have some self respect. I would be thrilled if they sit him all year, going to cost him tens of millions.

[rasuo214]

Were the Lakers constantly asked about Deng?

All you have to say is that Leonard is not part of your immediate plans and is sitting in favor of the young players while a suitable trade for both sides is worked out. Except you dont actually have to be working on a trade.

Again I say, sit his ass. Then trade him at the deadline to the least desirable place you can to a team that's in a playoff hunt, knowing when he leaves he's costing himself millions more.

Win. Profit.

Deng is not a top 5 player in the NBA. No one gives a shit about him anymore and probably forgot he was still in the NBA. He could demand a trade today and it would barely get any media coverage.

So if that is your best example, I'm sorry to tell you that it's an awful one. There is already a media storm regarding the situation now, it won't get any better if they decide to sit him no matter what excuse they come up with. ESPN would be running stories non-stop about the situation.

No team would trade much for him after forcing him to sit out most of the season. There would only be 2 months left and he would not be in game shape at all. It would be a shit offer that included a shit contract.

Ruin the Spurs reputation just to be vindictive isn't a win, nor do they profit. It's a lose-lose for both sides.

[picnroll]

tampering happens throughout the league, every team likely does it. The Lakers are just the ones stupid enough to regularly get caught :lol
Lakers and Leonards’ group have taken tampering to a new level. Have to believe NBA owners can’t be too happy about the precedent set.

[spurs1990]

-Philly and Boston both go hard after Kawhi with Lebron and PG-13 off the market, and believing that they can

-Boston dangles Hayward, Brown and a top 1 protected 2019 Kings pick and PATFO ships Kawhi's ass out to Boston.

-Spurs compete, and probably get a top 4 seed in the west while the Kings are one of the worst teams, securing the Spurs a top 5 pick and the 23rd-25th pick and potentially allowing for the Spurs to package the two together and move up into the top 3 for franchise level player.


who knows, not entirely out of the question...

This is it. This is the ideal package that SA should gun for. The ceiling with Brown could be mountainous and he’s a solid character and heady player for the Org. Heyward evens out the salary difference and may never reach his previous level but that alone should allow Boston to include him in the deal. And then the prize of Sac 2019 first which most assuredly will be high considering that moribund franchise.

Boston would have Irving, Tatum, and Leonard to contend with and that should get you out of the east next year and win a couple games vs GS.

Really hope this is what we see come training camp.

[rasuo214]

It could cause a ripple effect;

-Cavs and Charlotte swap Hill, Zizic, Sexton and Osman for Batum and Walker.

-Cavs improve with a big 3 of Walker, Lebron, and Love with a better supporting cast than the trash they had to rely on last year)

-Charlotte drops from being 10th or 11th to being a bottom 5 team

-With Lebron possibly staying in L.A., PG-13 rethinks leaving and decides to stay with Westbrook in OKC.

-Without others stars in L.A, Kawhi and Uncle Dennis become more open to signing re-signing with the Eastern conference team that the Spurs trade possibly trade him to.

-Philly and Boston both go hard after Kawhi with Lebron and PG-13 off the market, and believing that they can end the Cavs streak of NBA finals appearance. Spurs can play them against each other, to get the best deal.

-Boston dangles Hayward, Brown and a top 1 protected 2019 Kings pick and PATFO ships Kawhi's ass out to Boston.

-Spurs compete, and probably get a top 4 seed in the west while the Kings are one of the worst teams, securing the Spurs a top 5 pick and the 23rd-25th pick and potentially allowing for the Spurs to package the two together and move up into the top 3 for franchise level player.


who knows, not entirely out of the question...

The problem is Ainge is stingy and he really loves Brown and Tatum. He might be confident enough to think that his team is good enough as is to beat the Cavs even with Kemba. They took the Cavs to 7 games without Kyrie or Hayward and their young players are expected to improve.

I think the most threatening to Boston would be if Philly gets Kawhi and Lebron. A core of Lebron, Kawhi, Simmons and Embiid would be terrifying in the short and long term. The Spurs might need to leak rumors about a deal to Philly to get the ball rolling.

[Mugen]

Philly makes the most sense if RC/Pop don't cave to the Lakers tbh.

I'd be fine with it as long as we don't get Covington back, i want no part of that contract.

[Mr. Body]

This is it. This is the ideal package that SA should gun for. The ceiling with Brown could be mountainous and he’s a solid character and heady player for the Org. Heyward evens out the salary difference and may never reach his previous level but that alone should allow Boston to include him in the deal. And then the prize of Sac 2019 first which most assuredly will be high considering that moribund franchise.

Boston would have Irving, Tatum, and Leonard to contend with and that should get you out of the east next year and win a couple games vs GS.

Really hope this is what we see come training camp.

That Hayward contract is horrible, though.

[cd021]

This is it. This is the ideal package that SA should gun for. The ceiling with Brown could be mountainous and he’s a solid character and heady player for the Org. Heyward evens out the salary difference and may never reach his previous level but that alone should allow Boston to include him in the deal. And then the prize of Sac 2019 first which most assuredly will be high considering that moribund franchise.

Boston would have Irving, Tatum, and Leonard to contend with and that should get you out of the east next year and win a couple games vs GS.

Really hope this is what we see come training camp.

Chinook first mentioned a trade idea for Kawhi Gasol for Hayward and Brown + the Kings picks. I think that is both relatively realistic though Boston may hard ball and make PATFO choose between Brown and the Kings pick.

That Kings pick, the more I think about, could easily be 3-5 instead of 5-8. Of the teams with the top 5 picks in this past draft (Phoenix, Sac., Atlanta, Memphis, and Dallas) Atlanta and Dallas are the two teams that are most likely to be about the same in terms of wins and losses next season-Chicago and Orlando could also be in that mix for the top of the draft too.

[cd021]

That Hayward contract is horrible, though.

It's a max deal to an all-star who just turned 28, it's far from horrible. :lol

You're acting like it's Batum's deal. He'll be making about 30% of the cap for the next three seasons. If Brown were to be apart of the deal, the Spurs would still have Murray and Brown on rookie deals for two of those seasons before hitting RFA in 2020, the same off season in which Aldridge's extension expires.

[Mr. Body]

It's a max deal to an all-star who just turned 28, it's far from horrible. :lol

You're acting like it's Batum's deal. He'll be making about 30% of the cap for the next three seasons. If Brown were to be apart of the deal, the Spurs would still have Murray and Brown on rookie deals for two of those seasons before hitting RFA in 2020, the same off season in which Aldridge's extension expires.

I might still be thinking in terms of old contract amounts before the cap jumped. It still seems like a ton for a complementary player. I like Hayward, though.

[spursfaninla]

and i don't think the lakers is KL’s preferred team if im being honest here. seems like a bargaining tactic since uncle knows the spurs would never, ever trade him to that franchise. nothing in leonards personality screams “lakers”. he hates the spotlight and he’d be the worst fit, in terms of personality and if they simply want $, SAS is the only team that can offer him a Supermax, the Lakers and “i just want to be home” angle just never seemed authentic to me.


i think after their situation with the franchise turned sour, his uncle’s plan all along was to send him east.

This has to be the most convoluted NBA-related conspiracy theory I can think of in recent memory.

So, if you are Kawhi's representation, and you want the Spurs to ship Kawhi to the East, you tell them Kawhi will only sign with the Lakers, and will tell every other team that?

This only makes sense as a tactic if the Spurs are mindlessly bending to reverse psychology, right? Spurs: lets spite them and give them the opposite of what they want!

Ok.

The Spurs want him East not because its the opposite of what kawhi wants, and not to spite him, (but that is a bonus since hes been a dick).

Its because its best for them for multiple reasons.

[SouthTexasRancher]

I don't think Kawhi has really thought this thing out. In San Antonio he is basically protected. Media coverage in SA is like a 3-5 mph breeze on a late summer evening. In a place like Los Angeles he'll be inside an EF 5 tornado. He'll be miserable. As far as endorsements are concerned he'll need to set the league on fire and develop a much more outgoing personality. Right now he couldn't sell ice cones to people living in the Mojave desert.

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And at that point we make sure he ends up in Atlanta or Chicago

I like this guy. You remind me of me.

[RsxPiimp]

And this nonsense about not caring about money — BS. Whatever he might lose between the supermax in SA and an extension in LA would more than be made up on the shoe contract in the #2 market on a super-team..

i often read this but im not sure if there’s any truth to it. it has been proven that market size is irrelevant in sheer sales volume. kyrie, followed by lebron had the best selling signature basketball shoes in 2017.

KL isn’t going to magically start selling more sneakers in LA. fans are attracted to dynamic athletes with personality, regardless of their location. also worth noting that Jordan Brand repped athletes usually have a poor sales track record.

[Dex]

i often read this but im not sure if there’s any truth to it. it has been proven that market size is irrelevant in sheer sales volume. kyrie, followed by lebron had the best selling signature basketball shoes in 2017.

KL isn’t going to magically start selling more sneakers in LA. fans are attracted to dynamic athletes with personality, regardless of their location. also worth noting that Jordan Brand repped athletes usually have a poor sales track record.

That's why this whole ploy by Kawhi's group is retarded. Going to a bigger market isn't going to magically make Kawhi marketable unless he changes his personality overnight (hint: he won't). Especially if he goes to a superteam where he is fighting guys like Lebron, George, or Paul for the limelight.

He was doing just fine with his Jordan marketing (easily the biggest Spurs push since Duncan's Adidas deal) until his dumbass uncle balked at their offer. Does he really think that if Kawhi puts on a Laker jersey, they are suddenly going to open the checkbook again after he snubbed them?

You know what would make Kawhi profitable? Him becoming MVP or leading his homegrown team to the Finals. Or, you know...signing a fucking supermax contract.

[spurraider21]

If the Boston package includes a Gasol/Hayward swap I’m down tbh

[RsxPiimp]

This has to be the most convoluted NBA-related conspiracy theory I can think of in recent memory.

So, if you are Kawhi's representation, and you want the Spurs to ship Kawhi to the East, you tell them Kawhi will only sign with the Lakers, and will tell every other team that?

This only makes sense as a tactic if the Spurs are mindlessly bending to reverse psychology, right? Spurs: lets spite them and give them the opposite of what they want!

Ok.

The Spurs want him East not because its the opposite of what kawhi wants, and not to spite him, (but that is a bonus since hes been a dick).

Its because its best for them for multiple reasons.

no need to analyze it, just a baseless theory on my end. im still dubious with the “i want to come home and play for the lakers” angle.

[RsxPiimp]

That's why this whole ploy by Kawhi's group is retarded. Going to a bigger market isn't going to magically make Kawhi marketable unless he changes his personality overnight (hint: he won't). Especially if he goes to a superteam where he is fighting guys like Lebron, George, or Paul for the limelight.

He was doing just fine with his Jordan marketing (easily the biggest Spurs push since Duncan's Adidas deal) until his dumbass uncle balked at their offer. Does he really think that if Kawhi puts on a Laker jersey, they are suddenly going to open the checkbook again after he snubbed them?

You know what would make Kawhi profitable? Him becoming MVP or leading his homegrown team to the Finals. Or, you know...signing a fucking supermax contract.

bingo^

[RD2191]

You guys are underestimating the power of the Lakers bandwagon. If Kawhi joins the Lakers he'll easily be top 2 or 3 in jersey sales.

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Deng is not a top 5 player in the NBA. No one gives a shit about him anymore and probably forgot he was still in the NBA. He could demand a trade today and it would barely get any media coverage.

So if that is your best example, I'm sorry to tell you that it's an awful one. There is already a media storm regarding the situation now, it won't get any better if they decide to sit him no matter what excuse they come up with. ESPN would be running stories non-stop about the situation.

No team would trade much for him after forcing him to sit out most of the season. There would only be 2 months left and he would not be in game shape at all. It would be a shit offer that included a shit contract.

Ruin the Spurs reputation just to be vindictive isn't a win, nor do they profit. It's a lose-lose for both sides.

Did I insinuate that the Spurs would get much of anything for him?

A 2nd rounder and a solid bench guy is good for me if you are returning a message to Kawhi that his ploy was not rewarded, that in fact it was punished in the form of costing him millions of dollars.

And to your other point, there would be no story if the Spurs sent his ass home like Deng. The Lakers put out a statement that he wasn't in their immediate plans as they tried to get their younger players floor time. The Spurs could do the same. He would basically disappear for the first 3 months of the season until the trade deadline. An occasional story could be leaked to the press about potential deals with random teams. What are you going to hear otherwise if Kawhi isn't even at the team facilities? He doesn't talk. And the worst that could happen is the Uncle could say the Spurs aren't keeping them in the loop on potential trade destinations. Waaaaaa!!

The Spurs are going to lose anyway. It's not about being vindictive. Its about sending a signal to Kawhi and future players that going AWOL on the team and stealing $19M has ramifications and repercussions, especially when your strategy was to undercut the trade value and trash the team that reared you.

I think if anyone is being naive here as to what's precipitated all of this and how you respond, it's you.

Unless you get a home run offer, you send a message.

[picnroll]

At this point I don’t see the value in getting rid of Gasol or Mills unless it frees up cap space to take on bad contracts for young talent or high draft picks. People are just in denial that Spurs are in rebuild mode with or without Hayward.

[spurs1990]

I might still be thinking in terms of old contract amounts before the cap jumped. It still seems like a ton for a complementary player. I like Hayward, though.

If it’s seen as onerous by Boston that benefits San Antonio as it would be a ‘concession’ to take Gordon’s contract off their hands. Ainge from what I’ve read is a deft manager and he’ll need to be convinced they’re getting a great deal themselves.

I badly want to end this Leonard saga asap and I cannot see any situation he positively contributes for this upcoming season, much less re-signs. I’m fearful that the Spurs will run out of viable options to get any real talent in return. The Boston trade would be a relative goldmine and quite possibly a way to keep winning 50+ games for another generation.

[exstatic]

If it’s seen as onerous by Boston that benefits San Antonio as it would be a ‘concession’ to take Gordon’s contract off their hands. Ainge from what I’ve read is a deft manager and he’ll need to be convinced they’re getting a great deal themselves.

I badly want to end this Leonard saga asap and I cannot see any situation he positively contributes for this upcoming season, much less re-signs. I’m fearful that the Spurs will run out of viable options to get any real talent in return. The Boston trade would be a relative goldmine and quite possibly a way to keep winning 50+ games for another generation.
The trade offers arent going to get any worse. You’re also acting like that’s a real offer. Ainge has said that Tatum and Brown are off limits.

[Mr. Body]

If it’s seen as onerous by Boston that benefits San Antonio as it would be a ‘concession’ to take Gordon’s contract off their hands. Ainge from what I’ve read is a deft manager and he’ll need to be convinced they’re getting a great deal themselves.

I badly want to end this Leonard saga asap and I cannot see any situation he positively contributes for this upcoming season, much less re-signs. I’m fearful that the Spurs will run out of viable options to get any real talent in return. The Boston trade would be a relative goldmine and quite possibly a way to keep winning 50+ games for another generation.

It also would give the Spurs back the vital SF position. But I don't think Boston does this. Ainge is a butt-hole clenched prick and I think we're overvaluing Kawhi in the market.

[dbestpro]

Isiah Thomas was off limits until it brought back Kyrie.

[cd021]

The problem is Ainge is stingy and he really loves Brown and Tatum. He might be confident enough to think that his team is good enough as is to beat the Cavs even with Kemba. They took the Cavs to 7 games without Kyrie or Hayward and their young players are expected to improve.

I think the most threatening to Boston would be if Philly gets Kawhi and Lebron. A core of Lebron, Kawhi, Simmons and Embiid would be terrifying in the short and long term. The Spurs might need to leak rumors about a deal to Philly to get the ball rolling.

I don't buy the Lebron to Philly rumors, I think it's L.A. or back to the Cavs.

Ainge is sitting on an unprecedented collection of assets; Hayward, Irving, Tatum, Horford, Brown, all of their 1st rounder's going forward, plus a likely top 5 and top 14 lottery picks in 2019 from Boston and Memphis, on top of the Clippers lottery protected 2019 pick- if they somehow make the playoffs next season or the season after.

Trading in three of those assets for a player that when healthy is the third best player in the league, and only just turned 27 is why GMs collect assets.

He'll likely keep Tatum off the trading block but Hayward, Brown and the Kings pick are all probably in play, with his absolute best offer probably being all three for Kawhi and Gasol (to make the math work)

The absolute best case for the Spurs right now is that Cleveland can land Kemba and Batum and that is enough for Lebron to give it another go. PG-13 gets cold feet about leaving OKC and Westbrook to play in L.A. and Kawhi is suddenly the only all-star wing on the market with Boston and Philly outbidding each other while L.A. is stuck on the sidelines; knowing that they lost out on Lebron, PG-13 and Kawhi.

[Mr. Body]

The absolute best case for the Spurs right now is that Cleveland can land Kemba and Batum and that is enough for Lebron to give it another go. PG-13 gets cold feet about leaving OKC and Westbrook to play in L.A. and Kawhi is suddenly the only all-star wing on the market with Boston and Philly outbidding each other while L.A. is stuck on the sidelines; knowing that they lost out on Lebron, PG-13 and Kawhi.

Good parts of this I think will happen. I see LeBron as staying if they make a change. I see Paul George as staying. Los Angeles continues to be a far less attractive destination than people assume. I hold a decent chance Kawhi actually resigns with the Spurs once his camp realize what's going on. My hope is that Boston/Philly bidding war happens. Just sent Leonard on his way and get a tidy package for the future.

[cd021]

I might still be thinking in terms of old contract amounts before the cap jumped. It still seems like a ton for a complementary player. I like Hayward, though.

Hayward is legit good tbh.

22 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 3.5 apg, 1 spg, 47/40/85 FG, 3PT, FTA during the 16-17 season.

High volume 3pt shooter, shoots well from 2pt and gets to the line 6 times a game also a good defender and can create offense. I think he's definitely better than a complementary player and with Aldridge, Murray, and potentially Brown, that could be a really good team

[Play Boban]

I might still be thinking in terms of old contract amounts before the cap jumped. It still seems like a ton for a complementary player. I like Hayward, though.

Hayward isn't a complimentary player.

[cd021]

Good parts of this I think will happen. I see LeBron as staying if they make a change. I see Paul George as staying. Los Angeles continues to be a far less attractive destination than people assume. I hold a decent chance Kawhi actually resigns with the Spurs once his camp realize what's going on. My hope is that Boston/Philly bidding war happens. Just sent Leonard on his way and get a tidy package for the future.


Maybe, if everything that I said holds true, but man that guy is actively burning bridges. Hell, Dwight's exit from Orlando was low-key compared to this. Who's to say in a year after he gets the DPE that he doesn't try this shit again, the Spurs would be in a much better situation with Kawhi having 4 years remaining on his deal and teams that otherwise wouldn't be looking at acquiring a player like him having assurances that he'll be there for a long time.

[marinoman]

The lakers should absolutely try to trade for kawhi, spurs wont do it but lakers should try.
How is this even debatable? Yea he’s la or nothing right now but a year could change that. Look at Paul George He may be staying in okc, spurs were on top of kyries list, but now it seems ny or he’s staying with Boston. Who knows spurs may trade him to philly in a few weeks and he may love it there

[spurschamps99030507]

the retarded of his uncle is going to negotiate or make money when everyone knows that he is an inept clown, that makes his client lose 80 mill, in which position to do a business with a shoe company when they know that it is so idiot to give this fortune?


https://sports.cbslocal.com/2015/09/30/bernstein-why-would-adidas-still-want-derrick-rose/



derrick rose signed a contract of 185 million in 13 years, average 14 m per year when he won the mvp. KL has no charisma, he is not lebron or curry, the offer he had from jordan was 5 million a year for four years. A guy who has chronic injury, leaves his teammates who don't believe his injury, lies, cheats, miserable attitude, doesn't have the decency to talk to popovich in private and fix issues, even if he wanted to leave, behave as a professional, be with your teammates in the playoffs and before filtering to the press that you want to go to the lakers, before talking to popovich, say it in private. With his attitude he showed that he is a bad person and a bad professional, he is not a leader.

the red line is not to repeat what cavs did, if there is not a good trade, he stays, and we'll see if uncle denis shows everyone what a great agent he is $$$.

[Mr. Body]

Hayward isn't a complimentary player.

It's spelled complementary. And, yes, he is. He's not a number one guy.

[cd021]

It's spelled complementary. And, yes, he is. He's not a number one guy.

Both spellings are correct but apparently in this context complementary is the correct version, who knew?

http://www.future-perfect.co.uk/grammar-tip/is-it-complimentary-or-complementary/

[cd021]

The lakers should absolutely try to trade for kawhi, spurs wont do it but lakers should try.
How is this even debatable? Yea he’s la or nothing right now but a year could change that. Look at Paul George He may be staying in okc, spurs were on top of kyries list, but now it seems ny or he’s staying with Boston. Who knows spurs may trade him to philly in a few weeks and he may love it there

It would be one thing if the Lakers had the assets, but they don't and the Spurs aren't going to gift Kawhi to them so they can go kick rocks.

[Mr. Body]

Both spellings are correct but apparently in this context complementary is the correct version, who knew?

http://www.future-perfect.co.uk/grammar-tip/is-it-complimentary-or-complementary/

When you tell someone they look nice, you compliment them. When something is free, it's complimentary.

When a player or thing makes other players or things better, they are complementary.

[Mugen]

-Kawhi cheering for his teammates on the bench for most of the season while he's injured
-Players meeting + Parker comments = Kawhi runs off to NY
-Season ends and reports are that Kawhi went to Erin Popovich's funeral, in touch with the Spurs org
-Early offseason reports are that the Spurs/Kawhi relationship heading towards repair
-Woj report that the Spurs won't just offer supermax blindly
-Kawhi's group requests a trade

Damn, so much indecision and flip flopping from Kawhi and his camp tbh. I don't blame the Spurs for waiting it out to see if he changes his mind again. But shit, let's say they somehow convince him to come back with an extension. I don't doubt him pulling some of this bullshit again after a few months or so....

Really disappointed in how he's handled himself. I really hope it's mostly Uncle Dickbag but, regardless, Kawhi has a ton of growing up to do...

[DPG21920]

He’s only pulling this stuff because the contract was on the line. Once that isn’t an issue i don’t think that will be a worry.

[Mugen]

He’s only pulling this stuff because the contract was on the line. Once that isn’t an issue i don’t think that will be a worry.

You still want this nigga back, D?

[cd021]

When you tell someone they look nice, you compliment them. When something is free, it's complimentary.

When a player or thing makes other players or things better, they are complementary.

I agreed with you.

[marinoman]

It would be one thing if the Lakers had the assets, but they don't and the Spurs aren't going to gift Kawhi to them so they can go kick rocks.
No i know, I just saw a few people a page back saying lakers shouldnt try to trade since hes coming anyways. I was just saying thinking kawhi to lakers in a year is a done deal is a huge mistake. Watch him traded to philly and Simmons and him become best friends

[Play Boban]

It's spelled complementary. And, yes, he is. He's not a number one guy.
:cry And you’re wrong on your second point. He was the number one guy in Utah, or do you just not watch the games tbh?

[HarlemHeat37]

:cry And you’re wrong on your second point. He was the number one guy in Utah, or do you just not watch the games tbh?

Ignoring your extreme white bias shtick, he led Utah to 1 playoff appearance and they made it just as far the following season without him:lol

He's a nice #3 guy who could pass for better in the correct system(and then get exposed in the playoffs)..he's like a prime Joe Johnson-caliber talent..

[Mr. Body]

:cry And you’re wrong on your second point. He was the number one guy in Utah, or do you just not watch the games tbh?

He's not a natural #1 at all. Like I said, he's a complementary guy.