Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[marinoman]

Dude, he hadn't been with the Kings for five years.
Yea i missed the part where it said former. Was gonna delete the post but too late

[Mr. Body]

Yea i missed the part where it said former. Was gonna delete the post but too late

If I had to play basketball in Russia I'd kill myself too.

[BatManu20]

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[lmbebo]

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Thought Sheridan was a bunch of made up stuff ...

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I'd rather have Mills than Nurkic

:lol :lol

[gambit1990]

I'd rather have Mills than Nurkic
:lol

you could be a scout for the hornets.

[gambit1990]

https://www.getmoresports.com/sheridan-kawhi-leonard-holding-san-antonio-spurs-culture-hostage/

Parker was the most prideful man ever to set his ego aside, over and over and over again, and willingly play third fiddle. Deep in his heart he knew fans loved Tim Duncan and Manu Ginobili just a little bit more than they loved him, but this did not leave him embittered, because deep in his heart he knew he made Duncan and Ginobili better than they ever could have been without him.”
http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Leonardo-DiCaprio-Approve-In-Django-Unchained.gif

[SpursBills]

Kawhi to Toronto for Valanciunas + Anunoby + Siakham + 1st rounder if Pop can't work things out? Would you guys do this

[BatManu20]

Not happening.


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[loveforthegame]

From the Sheridan article:


and there are plenty of teams that would welcome Leonard as a rental before rerouting him to Los Angeles next February at the trade deadline.

I wondered about this and if the Spurs are not wanting to trade with certain teams because of it?

[daslicer]

From the Sheridan article:



I wondered about this and if the Spurs are not wanting to trade with certain teams because of it?

In that situation the Spurs are better off trading him to the Sixers for scraps. No way the Sixers would trade Kawhi to LA during the trade deadline.

[gambit1990]

if spurs opt to not trade him and he sits out... spurs lose more leverage.

[tholdren]

if spurs opt to not trade him and he sits out... spurs lose more leverage.

Illogical

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Not one writer thinks the Spurs and Kawhi can make amends

[Mugen]

Not one writer thinks the Spurs and Kawhi can make amends

:lol make amends? Maybe this fuck shouldn't have been playing Anne Frank for most of the season. Spurs ain't making amends with that shit.

[gambit1990]

Illogical
no.

if kawhi sits out... other teams will know the spurs have no other cards to play.

kawhi sitting out actually helps him. other teams would have to give up less to get him.

[jmdds]

Kawhitter is not going to LAC this year, they have nothing to offer

[hooperflash]

Not one writer thinks the Spurs and Kawhi can make amends
Drama gets more clicks, they feel most nba fans wouldn’t click on a feel good story of possibility that Kawhi and the Spurs getting a deal done.

[Hoops Czar]

no.

if kawhi sits out... other teams will know the spurs have no other cards to play.

kawhi sitting out actually helps him. other teams would have to give up less to get him.

The best part of Kawhi sitting out would be his inability to enter free agency next offseason. That would be like wasting three years of his prime over stubborness.

[Extra Stout]

no.

if kawhi sits out... other teams will know the spurs have no other cards to play.

kawhi sitting out actually helps him. other teams would have to give up less to get him.
Per the NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement, if a player withholds services in the final year of his contract, after 30 days he forfeits the right to become a free agent at the end of the contract. His old team retains his rights.

The Spurs theoretically could just keep Kawhi out of the NBA forever.

So, no, sitting out does not help him.

[BatManu20]

^ bingo.


Still think he gets moved before Training Camp though. I think PATFO are over his shit and want he and his dipshit uncle far away from this franchise. But they aren’t going to just give him away. Philly or somebody needs to ante up and give us something of value so we can get this over with tbh.

[HarlemHeat37]

Until the group plays the slavery card, which should be coming soon..not sure Pop will be able to withstand that, mentally..

[Spurs da champs]

Per the NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement, if a player withholds services in the final year of his contract, after 30 days he forfeits the right to become a free agent at the end of the contract. His old team retains his rights.

The Spurs theoretically could just keep Kawhi out of the NBA forever.

So, no, sitting out does not help him.

That's the thing tho, Pop & RC don't want all that drama, sitting doesnt hurt the Spurs any less than it does Kawhi.

[Spurs da champs]

If Kawhi does sit out and the Spurs don't trade him, do the Spurs get granted some type of exception?

[Extra Stout]

That's the thing tho, Pop & RC don't want all that drama, sitting doesnt hurt the Spurs any less than it does Kawhi.
Current events contradict your assessment of Pop’s and RC’s mindset.

[TXstbobcat]

Until the group plays the slavery card, which should be coming soon..not sure Pop will be able to withstand that, mentally..

Not exactly slavery when Leonard signed his contract. Playing the slavery card will backfire horribly for Leonard and his group.

[SupremeGuy]

if spurs opt to not trade him and he sits out... spurs lose more leverage.lolwut?

[gambit1990]

Per the NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement, if a player withholds services in the final year of his contract, after 30 days he forfeits the right to become a free agent at the end of the contract. His old team retains his rights.

The Spurs theoretically could just keep Kawhi out of the NBA forever.

wow, i honestly never knew that was in the cba.

[duncan2150]

Per the NBA Collective Bargaining Agreement, if a player withholds services in the final year of his contract, after 30 days he forfeits the right to become a free agent at the end of the contract. His old team retains his rights.

The Spurs theoretically could just keep Kawhi out of the NBA forever.

So, no, sitting out does not help him.

i don’t understand people who thinks he can sit and don’t play nearly two years.

spurs leverage is here : no good offer he stays and if so he will play and gain more value. The only Risk is injuries but again that’s Not good for him.

[dabom]

Until the group plays the slavery card, which should be coming soon..not sure Pop will be able to withstand that, mentally..
Career suicide. :lol

[SupremeGuy]

Seeing PATFO being slave owners is entertaining. Pop is being exposed as the giant piece of shit he is, tbh. Can't have it both ways, Pop; you fucking hypocrite.

[picnroll]

That's the thing tho, Pop & RC don't want all that drama, sitting doesnt hurt the Spurs any less than it does Kawhi.
We keep forgetting Pop and zrC don’t own the team. Ultimately the ownership group makes the cal. Pop and arc just present the options.

[SupremeGuy]

Career suicide. :lolNot playing for a playoff team when you're cleared and then threatening to sit out an entire year; that's worse.

[dabom]

Some latrell sprewell shit right there. Millionaires making 20million dollars and not even playing and still playing the slavery card, when he's making millions and no one made him sign a contract. :lol

[gambit1990]

lolwut?
stars ultimately get what they want (as in moved) from sitting out (or desire/threat to sit out) tbh. at least in the nba.

[HarlemHeat37]

Not exactly slavery when Leonard signed his contract. Playing the slavery card will backfire horribly for Leonard and his group.

Not my sentiment, I'm just predicting it if this goes the distance..it's one of the last moves they have, they've fucked everything else up for the most part:lol

They don't even have to say anything, all they need is one of the talking heads in the media to put it out there and create a storm(Cris Carter, etc)..

[Extra Stout]

Not exactly slavery when Leonard signed his contract. Playing the slavery card will backfire horribly for Leonard and his group.
I do not understand where this idea comes from that Gregg Popovich is some mentally weak delicate flower who can’t handle the pressure applied by a mute 27-year-old athlete and his pathetically amateurish grifter bank manager uncle.

[Spurs da champs]

Current events contradict your assessment of Pop’s and RC’s mindset.

I doubt this drags out at the start of the season or into training camp. All the leaks from both sides, say Kawhi won't be in a Spurs uniform again.

[-21-]

Spurs get: Saric, Korkmaz, Bolden, Miami 2021 1st, Sac 2020 2nd
76ers get: Kawhi
Kings get: Covington

Still too steep a price for Philly?

[Pavlov]

Seeing PATFO being slave owners is entertaining. Pop is being exposed as the giant piece of shit he is, tbh. Can't have it both ways, Pop; you fucking hypocrite.What slave makes $19,000,000.00 for doing nothing?

[Chinook]

Chris Sheridan tweeted about the Kings maybe becoming a focal point of a Kawhi trade.

I just hate the idea of this. First, because they should have get rid of Mills instead of Cov if SAC is willing. Second, if they don't want Cov, they aren't going to want Anderson. Some will think that's fine, but they don't need THAT much cap space going forward unless Pop is "Magicking" someone for next summer. Third and most importantly, I really feel like SAC's involvement would be tied to LAL and not Philly. As much as I'd hate to do a straight trade with the Lakers, I'd abhor doing a three-team deal involving Deng going to another team. LAL needs to pay for Deng's removal independent of a deal with SA. If the Spurs think that Ball and Ingram are a strong enough base value for Leonard, then they can't let LA cut that value to having a Ball/Deng side trade with SAC or ATL. I don't blame PATFO for not wanting Lonzo, but whomever takes him needs to be paying SA his full value, not giving pennies because they're also taking LAL's shit.

[BatManu20]

Gross.

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[dabom]

Not my sentiment, I'm just predicting it if this goes the distance..it's one of the last moves they have, they've fucked everything else up for the most part:lol

They don't even have to say anything, all they need is one of the talking heads in the media to put it out there and create a storm(Cris Carter, etc)..

They've also fucked Kawhi's rep. Other organizations (not just teams) don't wanna do business with toxic people. They tanked their organization and kawhi's rep in all this. They played themselves, and now Kawhi might lose a ton of money too. All for nothing.

[Chinook]

The Lakers are just such pathetic vultures. Lillard hasn't said anything about wanting to go to LAL, and Portland hasn't said anything about wanting to trade him. But they still keep trying to manufacture trades out of thin air and inserting themselves into the interactions of teams and players under contract. Dame has three years left on his deal, but even that's not enough to prevent folks from tampering.

[HarlemHeat37]

The Lakers are just such pathetic vultures. Lillard hasn't said anything about wanting to go to LAL, and Portland hasn't said anything about wanting to trade him. But they still keep trying to manufacture trades out of thin air and inserting themselves into the interactions of teams and players under contract. Dame has three years left on his deal, but even that's not enough to prevent folks from tampering.

It's expected at this point, though..

They haven't been relevant in 5 years and they just added LeBron, which means combining both Lakers media hype WITH the LeBron media machine:lol ESPN, FS1, etc are all desperate for this to work out, it's huge for them(don't forget how Miami forming their big 3 took the NBA to a level of popularity it hadn't seen since the 3-peat Lakers)..

[r0drig0lac]

I do not understand where this idea comes from that Gregg Popovich is some mentally weak delicate flower who can’t handle the pressure applied by a mute 27-year-old athlete and his pathetically amateurish grifter bank manager uncle.

only in spurstalk tbh

[jermaine]

What slave makes $19,000,000.00 for doing nothing?

Sign my black ass up for slavery then. I'll take it!!!

[dbestpro]

Spurs get: Saric, Korkmaz, Bolden, Miami 2021 1st, Sac 2020 2nd
76ers get: Kawhi
Kings get: Covington

Still too steep a price for Philly?

Add a second round pick to Sac and you are getting close.

[stu scotts eye]

This world has turned so political, polarizing, trivial, and racial.

I can't listen to a conversation between any political groups and leave not wanting to smack both sides with the back of my hand.

[Barfunk]

What slave makes $19,000,000.00 for doing nothing?

Exactly. Anybody who plays this card is a sad fucking retard.

[BatManu20]

Any deal with Philly where the Spurs don’t get Fultz is going to be a complete fleece. Fultz may not ever be a star, but he’s the only player (that could realistically be traded) on that Sixers team with star potential.

[Chinook]

Spurs get: Saric, Korkmaz, Bolden, Miami 2021 1st, Sac 2020 2nd
76ers get: Kawhi
Kings get: Covington

Still too steep a price for Philly?

Wait, why is SAC getting away with giving up a second for Cov? If the Spurs don't like him, they can just take Chandler's expiring instead. SAC needs to take bad salary or pay more in the way of assets.

[BatManu20]

Lonnie Walker already looking so much better. With some seasoning, he’s going to be a good player.

[TD 21]

:lmao So according to Sheridan, the Spurs will not only not receive a player perceived to have star potential, but they won't even receive a big, defensive wing or match on Anderson, which would leave them Gay and Green (better at PF and SG, respectively) at SF.

I don't know why Buford doesn't just call Leonard's agent and tell him to tell his uncle that they're not trading him to the Lakers and that the 76ers want a conversation or meeting whereby they're given assurance that they'll have a legit shot to retain him next off season. That should pave the way for Fultz' inclusion, which should fast track a trade.

Leonard and Green for Fultz, Covington, Heat 1st and either Luwawu-Cabarrot or Bolden (if they don't match on Anderson, the latter).

With Parker out of the picture and hopefully Ginobili following suit, Mills-Fultz, White-Murray could be the back court next season. Buys them a season to evaluate Fultz and Murray, gauge their trade value and make a decision/clear a spot for Walker the following season.

[Play Boban]

Lonnie Walker already looking so much better. With some seasoning, he’s going to be a good player.
Would that be before or after he debunks the moon landings?

[jjktkk]

Spursfans believing anyone now so long as its against Kawhi just like a little hoe

https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/hhh4.pngHoe? Are you planting a garden? It's "Ho" you dumb fuck.:lol

[BackHome]

I think the Spurs origination already did that they just waiting for everything to calm down and off course the lawyers gotta draw up a whole bunch of contracts.

[SpursDynasty85]

I think the Spurs origination already did that they just waiting for everything to calm down and off course the lawyers gotta draw up a whole bunch of contracts.

Agree. Exec's have to interview Kawhi's posse, review medical records, interview Kawhi, and write up contracts.

[dbestpro]

Walker keeps shooting air balls.

[acoelho1]

I don't know why Buford doesn't just call Leonard's agent and tell him to tell his uncle that they're not trading him to the Lakers and that the 76ers want a conversation or meeting whereby they're given assurance that they'll have a legit shot to retain him next off season. That should pave the way for Fultz' inclusion, which should fast track a trade.
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This would be speculation on my part but I don’t think the Spurs are ready yet to trade Kawhi, which is why they have been asking for the moon from teams per reports. I think their strategy is to get a 1on1 with Kawhi without the uncle so I think it’s highly possible that he will at least be in training camp with the Spurs. The other possibility is they want to apply pressure to Kawhi’s group to agree to a Philly deal and give them assurances to resign. Otherwise Kawhi would have to go through the scrunity that would come playing another year with the Spurs. Never mind the additional compensation lost if he leaves as a free agent vs a trade. In my opinion, we call their bluff and make him play it out.

[Chinook]

This would be speculation on my part but I don’t think the Spurs are ready yet to trade Kawhi, which is why they have been asking for the moon from teams per reports. I think their strategy is to get a 1on1 with Kawhi without the uncle so I think it’s highly possible that he will at least be in training camp with the Spurs. The other possibility is they want to apply pressure to Kawhi’s group to agree to a Philly deal and give them assurances to resign. Otherwise Kawhi would have to go through the scrunity that would come playing another year with the Spurs. Never mind the additional compensation lost if he leaves as a free agent vs a trade. In my opinion, we call their bluff and make him play it out.

I'm closer on this than I am on most other ideas. baseline bum reminded me that Leonard cannot actually sign an extension yet and has to wait until the 16th. I don't think SA will trade him before then. They are probably only willing to entertain it if they get those types of huge offers. Maybe it costs them some trade value to wait, but that's worth it to get a chance to get an extension underway, a trade for an All-Star and a whole new outlook on the team.

[Payote75]

no.

if kawhi sits out... other teams will know the spurs have no other cards to play.

kawhi sitting out actually helps him. other teams would have to give up less to get him.

this dope sitting out would actually be a breach and push his free agency back another year and he he tries doctors/injury bullshit both parties would have to use an appointed Doctor. He will not and cannot go that route unless it's just about the supermax so his traitorous as is going to play or to be honest just suit up and sit there put him in garbage time if we can't get anything of value because of him and his groups actions I would humiliate him all season just has he has down to such a historic and proud organization. Don't care about stooping to his level he also is a flat out thief and stole 19 million from the orginization.

[FkLA]

Sign my black ass up for slavery then. I'll take it!!!

:lol :tu

[cd021]

Spurs get: Saric, Korkmaz, Bolden, Miami 2021 1st, Sac 2020 2nd
76ers get: Kawhi
Kings get: Covington

Still too steep a price for Philly?


No need to include the Kings; essentially they get a cost controlled 3 and D player for the cost of the 35th pick-which Boston actually owns, they would make out like bandits.

Spurs get: Saric, Covington, Bolden, Miami 2021, 1st, Philly 1st Rounder, 2020 Nets 2nd Rounder, 2020 Knicks Second Rounder, 2021 Knicks Second Rounder

76ers get: Kawhi

PG-Murray, White
SG-Mills, Green, Belinelli, Walker
SF-Covington, Anderson,
PF-Saric, Gay, Bertans, Bolden
C-Aldridge, Gasol, Milutinov?

Spurs future assets: Spurs 2019 1st rounder, 76ers 2019 1st rounder, 2019 Spurs 2nd Rounder,

Spurs 2020 1st rounder, 2020 Nets 2nd Rounder, 2020 Knicks Second Rounder, 2020 Spurs 2nd Rounder,

Spurs 2021 1st rounder, Miami 2021 1st rounder, 2021 Knicks Second Rounder

[TD 21]

This would be speculation on my part but I don’t think the Spurs are ready yet to trade Kawhi, which is why they have been asking for the moon from teams per reports. I think their strategy is to get a 1on1 with Kawhi without the uncle so I think it’s highly possible that he will at least be in training camp with the Spurs. The other possibility is they want to apply pressure to Kawhi’s group to agree to a Philly deal and give them assurances to resign. Otherwise Kawhi would have to go through the scrunity that would come playing another year with the Spurs. Never mind the additional compensation lost if he leaves as a free agent vs a trade. In my opinion, we call their bluff and make him play it out.


I'm closer on this than I am on most other ideas. baseline bum (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=131) reminded me that Leonard cannot actually sign an extension yet and has to wait until the 16th. I don't think SA will trade him before then. They are probably only willing to entertain it if they get those types of huge offers. Maybe it costs them some trade value to wait, but that's worth it to get a chance to get an extension underway, a trade for an All-Star and a whole new outlook on the team.

:tu

I've thought the same all along. I'm just saying, if/when push comes to shove, it shouldn't be difficult to get Leonard and/or his representation to assure the 76ers they'll be given a legit chance to re-sign him and for them to acquiesce on Fultz.




PG-Murray, White
SG-Mills, Green, Belinelli, Walker
SF-Covington, Anderson,
PF-Saric, Gay, Bertans, Bolden
C-Aldridge, Gasol, Milutinov?

Not a single perimeter player who can create for themselves or others in the starting lineup.


Anytime a superstar or star is traded, the package has to start with a player or pick perceived to possess star potential. In the absence of that, it's not worth considering.

[Russ]

Not exactly slavery when Leonard signed his contract. Playing the slavery card will backfire horribly for Leonard and his group.

Historically speaking, slave masters were constantly misdiagnosing their slaves' injuries.

(Exploited slaves were often forced to get second opinions.)

[dabom]

Historically speaking, slave masters were constantly misdiagnosing their slaves' injuries.

(Exploited slaves were often forced to get second opinions.)

Wtf those that have to do with Kawhi faggot?

[sasaint]

:tu

I've thought the same all along. I'm just saying, if/when push comes to shove, it shouldn't be difficult to get Leonard and/or his representation to assure the 76ers they'll be given a legit chance to re-sign him and for them to acquiesce on Fultz.





Not a single perimeter player who can create for themselves or others in the starting lineup.


Anytime a superstar or star is traded, the package has to start with a player or pick perceived to possess star potential. In the absence of that, it's not worth considering.

Too many 2-guards, plus Dijon is not a true PG. Gotta hope White is. If so, I would actually like to see him paired with Marco in the SL. Marco's off-ball skill would mesh much more effectively with White than Murray.

[dabom]

I drive a car. I'm now a nascar racer. :lmao

[LakerHater]

Would korkmaz & saric

[Amuseddaysleeper]

:lol make amends? Maybe this fuck shouldn't have been playing Anne Frank for most of the season.Spurs ain't making amends with that shit.

:lol

[BatManu20]

+ 2021 Miami Pick and 2019 Philly Pick to SA. Or Jonah Bolden in place of one of the picks. Kings get 2020 Bulls’ 2nd Round Pick from Philly.

Who says no.





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[SpursDynasty85]

That's too many guards for us to take back. But yea. That's fair as long as 76ers can trust Kawhi and his group.

[BatManu20]

That's too many guards for us to take back. But yea. That's fair as long as 76ers can trust Kawhi and his group.


Shumpert and Temple are expirings. But yea, Philly would really have to believe Kawhi is re-signing there in order for them to make that deal.

[lmbebo]

+ 2021 Miami Pick and 2019 Philly Pick to SA. Kings get 2020 Bulls’ 2nd Round Pick from Philly.

Who says no.





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Do we get bolden as well?

[BatManu20]

Do we get bolden as well?

If Kawhi guaranteed to re-sign there, probably.

[Spurs da champs]

God damn, every single proposed trade I've seen in this thread so far with the 76ers is hot garbage.

[SpursDynasty85]

God damn, every single proposed trade I've seen in this thread so far with the 76ers is hot garbage.

Can we start to consider Kawhi has a baggage full of trash with him as well?

[BatManu20]

God damn, every single proposed trade I've seen in this thread so far with the 76ers is hot garbage.


You have a better suggestion? A realistic one that doesn’t involve Simmons or Embiid, I mean.

[Spurs da champs]

You have a better suggestion? A realistic one that doesn’t involve Simmons or Embiid, I mean.

Nope, any trade straight up between Spurs & 76ers is trash, a 3rd team would need to get involved. Spurs need a wing with potential, not a PG who's already mentally broken at age 20. Maybe Fultz can be flipped to PHX and get the Spurs Josh Jackson?

[spurraider21]

crofl everybody jizzing over korkmaz because of a summer league game :lmao

[Ron Swanson]

Nope, any trade straight up between Spurs & 76ers is trash, a 3rd team would need to get involved. Spurs need a wing with potential, not a PG who's already mentally broken at age 20. Maybe Fultz can be flipped to PHX and get the Spurs Josh Jackson?

Suns aren't letting Jackson go.

[Spurs da champs]

Suns aren't letting Jackson go.
They need a PG tho...

[jermaine]

If anyone thinks Tony is gone an the Spurs will trade Mills an just put the franchise in Murray's hands, you're a fucking fool.

[BatManu20]

crofl everybody jizzing over korkmaz because of a summer league game :lmao


:lol Next Drazen Petrovic tbh.

[BatManu20]

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[BackHome]

Just saw some clips of D...Mav Pick doing an interview in the background was this stupid fuck waving to the Camera saying "Hi Mom" it was Fultz. No fucking way do I want this idiot and I think Philly also does not want him he looks like K-Y junior but they playing it off because they were the fools to draft him.

[mo7888]

Maybe Fultz can be flipped to PHX and get the Spurs Josh Jackson?

I think that's exactly what we should do with fultz and with the suns drafting bridges and signing ariza, I think they'd do that.

[tholdren]

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Her calfs are the size of murrays thighs

[acoelho1]

Any deal with Philly must absolutely include Fultz. Whether or not he can snap out of his mental issues regarding his jumper are irrelevant. What is relevant is he showed the tools in college to potentially be a star in the NBA. We will never get equal value for Kawhi so Fultz getting his shot back could minimize the damage.

[apalisoc_9]

crofl everybody jizzing over korkmaz because of a summer league game :lmao

Dont wanna see turks in the team? Gonna make it hard for you to cheer?

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[SupremeGuy]

What slave makes $19,000,000.00 for doing nothing?Modern day slavery. Masta' Pop won't let his slave Kawhi run from the plantation.

[Spurs da champs]

Any deal with Philly must absolutely include Fultz. Whether or not he can snap out of his mental issues regarding his jumper are irrelevant. What is relevant is he showed the tools in college to potentially be a star in the NBA. We will never get equal value for Kawhi so Fultz getting his shot back could minimize the damage.

Murray & White>Fultz.

What Spurs need is a 3, its better to get a young wing with 'star' potential as Spurs are weak as can be at the 3, might as well try & target a Jackson or Ingram....

[vy65]

Dont wanna see turks in the team? Gonna make it hard for you to cheer?

https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sass1.png

Terrible poster

[tholdren]

Any deal with Philly must absolutely include Fultz. Whether or not he can snap out of his mental issues regarding his jumper are irrelevant. What is relevant is he showed the tools in college to potentially be a star in the NBA. We will never get equal value for Kawhi so Fultz getting his shot back could minimize the damage.

Thos is how bad the nba fans are. Why fultz? Hes shitty. I get it that the league will get exponentially worse, but this was a number one pick who sat out for mental reasons...

[tholdren]

Murray & White>Fultz.

What Spurs need is a 3, its better to get a young wing with 'star' potential as Spurs are weak as can be at the 3, might as well try & target a Jackson or Ingram....

Just pay anderson. Hes better than ingram

[Spurs da champs]

Spur fans cracks me up, I remember when the idiots here were trying to pass scrubs like Pops Mensah Bonsu as the next messiah. :lmao

[apalisoc_9]

Just pay anderson. Hes better than ingram

Anderson is not better than ingram

[tholdren]

Spur fans cracks me up, I remember when the idiots here were trying to pass scrubs like Pops Mensah Bonsu as the next messiah. :lmao

Murray.... walker.... cue draft threads asap

[tholdren]

Anderson is not better than ingram

Statistically.

[Spurs da champs]

Murray.... walker.... cue draft threads asap

Anderson, especially.

[BatManu20]

Spurs still undecided on KA.


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[BatManu20]

First 3-Team trade of the offseason. And it’s trash.


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[BatManu20]

Mitch Kupchak is awful. Biyombo is owed $34M over the next 2 seasons. And he sucks.

[sasaint]

First 3-Team trade of the offseason. And it’s trash.


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Who cares? I don't know which teams those scrubs are coming from.

[Robz4000]

First 3-Team trade of the offseason. And it’s trash.


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Biyombo back where he started, eh?

[BatManu20]

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[Ron Swanson]

First 3-Team trade of the offseason. And it’s trash.


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:lmao

[BatManu20]

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[ducks]

Leonard uncle making millions for Vegas

[Hoops Czar]

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Lakers went from -1000 to +1000 in the span of less than a week.

[BatManu20]

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[Ron Swanson]

Pop and Brett will get this done.

[BillMc]

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Tony with class.

[Play Boban]

Dont wanna see turks in the team? Gonna make it hard for you to cheer?

https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sass1.png

Hedo :wow

[ducks]

Tony with class.

Tony of course has class unlike leNERD

[palangi]

Tony of course has class unlike leNERD

I wonder if Brent Barry would agree?

[FkLA]

Tony of course has class unlike leNERD

fucking ducks :lol

[ducks]

I wonder if Brent Barry would agree?

He lied

[Dverde]

I wonder if Brent Barry would agree?
If Brent could give the D like he could hit the 3, she wouldn’t be on the prowl

[BatManu20]

Trade kawhi for Jackson tbh.

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[apalisoc_9]

Just bought some clipper jerseys

[BackHome]

Murray & White>Fultz.

What Spurs need is a 3, its better to get a young wing with 'star' potential as Spurs are weak as can be at the 3, might as well try & target a Jackson or Ingram....

Fultz sucks dude he is a basket case who is not mature enough to handle his situation he should have stayed in school a few more years. Do not want this dude unless we get and trade him he is No Bueno........

[BackHome]

Thos is how bad the nba fans are. Why fultz? Hes shitty. I get it that the league will get exponentially worse, but this was a number one pick who sat out for mental reasons...

As much as it pains me to admit that Tholdren is right I have to agree with him the dude is a complete idiot. He for what ever reason is not playing in the summer league but he is there and was caught being a complete and utterly idiot when they were doing and interview of Dallas Draft Pick and he was in the background acting like a 10 year old say "Hi Mom". No fucking way Pop is going to want to deal with this idiot after having to deal with K-Y.

[rascal]

Nope, any trade straight up between Spurs & 76ers is trash, a 3rd team would need to get involved. Spurs need a wing with potential, not a PG who's already mentally broken at age 20. Maybe Fultz can be flipped to PHX and get the Spurs Josh Jackson?

Send Fultz to Phoenix for Mikal Bridges in a three way trade.

[BatManu20]

Fultz sucks dude he is a basket case who is not mature enough to handle his situation he should have stayed in school a few more years. Do not want this dude unless we get and trade him he is No Bueno........


He does seem pretty immature tbh. Then again, he is 20. He’s supposed to be immature. Just like the rest of these young fucks coming into the league.

[acoelho1]

Murray & White>Fultz.

What Spurs need is a 3, its better to get a young wing with 'star' potential as Spurs are weak as can be at the 3, might as well try & target a Jackson or Ingram....

If we lose Kawhi, it’s not about need because we are not winning any championships any time soon. It’s about getting the best assets and Fultz potentionally could be valuable.

[BatManu20]

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[marinoman]

Id still bet the field, some gm will go for it

[Pavlov]

Just bought some clipper jerseysWhy?

[FireMicoHalili]

Just rammed my two-inch Filipino meat dagger into Jabari’s rear

[Mugen]

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[apalisoc_9]

Philly!!!!

[Budkin]

https://media.giphy.com/media/y0ljcPCxtJQVq/giphy.gif

Also will be happy if fathead is truly gone.

[Seventyniner]

Imagine if Philly had drafted Tatum instead of Fultz. The Kawhi deal would be done already.

[Pavlov]

Philly!!!!What about Philly?

[marinoman]

Imagine if Philly had drafted Tatum instead of Fultz. The Kawhi deal would be done already.
And they traded for that pick too

[FireMicoHalili]

What about Philly?
Kawhi’s been on a plane for four days now. Probably on tour. Lakers, then Philadelphia. Palisoc probably one of those guys lugging his bags around or something since Kawhi’s quad won’t let him carry the weight of his bags, let alone a team.

[NickiRasgo]

Imagine if Philly had drafted Tatum instead of Fultz. The Kawhi deal would be done already.

Or if the Lakers drafted Brown/Tatum instead of Ingram/Ball. I doubt they'll shine in the Lakers like how they shine with the Celtics.

[Ron Swanson]

What about Philly?

The plane has been going west for so long, that Kawhi is almost around the world and landing in Philly.

Done deal with receipts, you casual.

[Spurs da champs]

Imagine if Philly had drafted Tatum instead of Fultz. The Kawhi deal would be done already.
Lol, they might have not even felt the need to trade for Kawhi tho...:downspin:

[KDKSpurs24]

Imagine if Philly had drafted Tatum instead of Fultz. The Kawhi deal would be done already.
He would have been untouchable there too. Kawhi is still a question mark for if he’ll even re-sign there. Would just say no thanks and keep Tatum.

[offset formation]

What about Philly?

It's west of San Antonio if you circumnavigate the globe, idiot. He told us the whole time, you just haven't been listening. Gawd, you're such a casual.

[Payote75]

This Trade is Successful!
Start Over (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine)Adjust Trade (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine#)Save Trade (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine#)


Philadelphia 76ers
Over Tax Line
-$17,594,851

Cap Room
-$4,269,149







Player
Salary
[*=right]PER http://a.espncdn.com/nba/tradeMachine/images/icon_per.gif (http://espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&id=2850240)


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K. Leonard (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine#)
$20,099,189
[*=right]N/A



SF
2 Years



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Patty Mills (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine#)
$11,571,429
[*=right]N/A



PG
0 Years



http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/sas.png&w=30&h=30&transparent=true


Acquiring 2 Players
$31,670,618




Hollinger's Analysis: -2 Wins
With this trade you have decreased this team's projected wins by 2.




San Antonio Spurs
Over Tax Line
-$21,635,924

Cap Room
-$15,551,924







Player
Salary
[*=right]PER http://a.espncdn.com/nba/tradeMachine/images/icon_per.gif (http://espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&id=2850240)


http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/3194.png&w=28&h=38&scale=crop&background=0xcccccc&transparent=false

W. Chandler (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine#)
$12,800,562
[*=right]N/A



SF
1 Year



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http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/4066636.png&w=28&h=38&scale=crop&background=0xcccccc&transparent=false

M. Fultz (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine#)
$8,339,880
[*=right]N/A



PG
3 Years



http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/phi.png&w=30&h=30&transparent=true
http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/3032978.png&w=28&h=38&scale=crop&background=0xcccccc&transparent=false

Dario Saric (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine#)
$2,526,840
[*=right]N/A



PF
2 Years



http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/phi.png&w=30&h=30&transparent=true
http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/3929325.png&w=28&h=38&scale=crop&background=0xcccccc&transparent=false

F. Korkmaz (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine#)
$1,740,000
[*=right]N/A



SG
3 Years



http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/phi.png&w=30&h=30&transparent=true
Acquiring 4 Players
$25,407,282




Hollinger's Analysis:
aou have not affected the winning percentage of this team.





Projected Record Note:
Projected records are based on the PER of the players in each team’s post-trade rotation. Taking into account the players traded and the ability of their replacements, it is possible for each team in a trade to have a better projected record, or for each team to have a worse one, or for one team to be better and another to be worse by a different number of games.

[offset formation]

The plane has been going west for so long, that Kawhi is almost around the world and landing in Philly.

Done deal with receipts, you casual.

Shit I just logged on and responded to pavlov, but I see you beat me to the punch.

[tholdren]

This Trade is Successful!
Start Over (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine)Adjust Trade (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine#)Save Trade (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine#)


Philadelphia 76ers
Over Tax Line
-$17,594,851

Cap Room
-$4,269,149







Player
Salary
[*=right]PER http://a.espncdn.com/nba/tradeMachine/images/icon_per.gif (http://espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&id=2850240)


http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/6450.png&w=28&h=38&scale=crop&background=0xcccccc&transparent=false

K. Leonard (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine#)
$20,099,189
[*=right]N/A



SF
2 Years



http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/sas.png&w=30&h=30&transparent=true
http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/4004.png&w=28&h=38&scale=crop&background=0xcccccc&transparent=false

Patty Mills (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine#)
$11,571,429
[*=right]N/A



PG
0 Years



http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/sas.png&w=30&h=30&transparent=true


Acquiring 2 Players
$31,670,618




Hollinger's Analysis: -2 Wins
With this trade you have decreased this team's projected wins by 2.




San Antonio Spurs
Over Tax Line
-$21,635,924

Cap Room
-$15,551,924







Player
Salary
[*=right]PER http://a.espncdn.com/nba/tradeMachine/images/icon_per.gif (http://espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&id=2850240)


http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/3194.png&w=28&h=38&scale=crop&background=0xcccccc&transparent=false

W. Chandler (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine#)
$12,800,562
[*=right]N/A



SF
1 Year



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http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/4066636.png&w=28&h=38&scale=crop&background=0xcccccc&transparent=false

M. Fultz (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine#)
$8,339,880
[*=right]N/A



PG
3 Years



http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/phi.png&w=30&h=30&transparent=true
http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/3032978.png&w=28&h=38&scale=crop&background=0xcccccc&transparent=false

Dario Saric (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine#)
$2,526,840
[*=right]N/A



PF
2 Years



http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/phi.png&w=30&h=30&transparent=true
http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/nba/players/full/3929325.png&w=28&h=38&scale=crop&background=0xcccccc&transparent=false

F. Korkmaz (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine#)
$1,740,000
[*=right]N/A



SG
3 Years



http://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/teamlogos/nba/500/phi.png&w=30&h=30&transparent=true
Acquiring 4 Players
$25,407,282




Hollinger's Analysis:
aou have not affected the winning percentage of this team.





Projected Record Note:
Projected records are based on the PER of the players in each team’s post-trade rotation. Taking into account the players traded and the ability of their replacements, it is possible for each team in a trade to have a better projected record, or for each team to have a worse one, or for one team to be better and another to be worse by a different number of games.

Lol no

[ace3g]

If we trade with Philly, I don't want Fultz.

[offset formation]

If we trade with Philly, I don't want Fultz.

I can't say that I do either, especially. However, in PATFO I trust. If they think he can be an asset either on the court or as a trade piece, then I'll go with their expertise. So should you.

[dabom]

If we trade with Philly, I don't want Fultz.

Damaged goods.

[Payote75]

All three of those playe are young and almost basically draft picks all first rounders I believe .....chandlers just for salary place holder and if they add a good pick or two I think that's the best we can do and there is some good shooting there as well as if we can resurrect fultz shot might be a good thing.....after all we did give th cancer traitorous predator crybaby a jumper he used to throw up bricks.

[Payote75]

Other than that there really aren't any other assets on philly that have at least all star potential .....I think saric and korkmaz could be lethal and Spurs type players fultz could fulfill his promise under Spurs culture and chips shot teaching.....only other trade rumored I would do in a heartbeat risk or no is Irving for Leonard but tweak it a bit win Leonard and mills for Irving smart(sign and trade) and one f those picks and I don't mean bostons pick.

[rasuo214]

Imagine if Philly had drafted Tatum instead of Fultz. The Kawhi deal would be done already.

If they aren't willing to trade Fultz why would they trade Tatum? Who knows if they would even be interested or if it'd be another Celtics situation.

[SAGirl]

Kawhi quote from 2014 :cry



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhhAmzJXUAEvetK.jpg
If it was up to him...

But no it's up to the uncle... I never got the impression Kawhi was a diva until this season... It's unfortunate.

[sasaint]

If it was up to him...

But no it's up to the uncle... I never got the impression Kawhi was a diva until this season... It's unfortunate.

I don't think he is a diva, in the normal sense. He has given authority to Uncle Dennis to run his life - that's a pretty un-diva thing to do imho.

[tholdren]

I don't think he is a diva, in the normal sense. He has given authority to Uncle Dennis to run his life - that's a pretty un-diva thing to do imho.

Umprofessional, dishonest, no character loyalty or leadership

[SAGirl]

I don't think he is a diva, in the normal sense. He has given authority to Uncle Dennis to run his life - that's a pretty un-diva thing to do imho.
The uncle is the diva but you assume responsibility for the actions of your agents. How slow of mind do you think he is?

He's an unorthodox diva but a diva nonetheless.

[cd021]

:tu

I've thought the same all along. I'm just saying, if/when push comes to shove, it shouldn't be difficult to get Leonard and/or his representation to assure the 76ers they'll be given a legit chance to re-sign him and for them to acquiesce on Fultz.





Not a single perimeter player who can create for themselves or others in the starting lineup.


Anytime a superstar or star is traded, the package has to start with a player or pick perceived to possess star potential. In the absence of that, it's not worth considering.

There is a flaw in that logic of playing hardball with Kawhi and his group, in order to get him to say yes to considering re-signing with the 76ers- Leonard's credibility is shot, who's to say that even if he gives then that assurance that he would consider re-signing that he actually would. Maybe he would be so desperate not to return to S.A that he says whatever to get out and then bolts to L.A. in a year.

I don't see them offering up Fultz, and it sounds like they want to give him another season, so if there is a deal with Philly to be had, it seems that he isn't likely to be included.

An alternate theory is that the Spurs want to get him into training camp and see him there and in the pre-season before deciding to offer the super-max. If and only if he turns it down, then they will consider moving him.

while Kawhi's group has dug in and the thought of returning to S.A is so much of no-go that he puts external pressure on L.A. to make for him or else he'll threaten to consider signing elsewhere in the offseason out of spite (i.e. the Clippers).

[Vic Petro]

If we trade with Philly, I don't want Fultz.

[venitian navigator]

The more I see the Chris Carter video the more it gets me angry. He practically confess its been an illegitimate holdout.
At a certain point you have to behave exercising your power at the same level that Kiwhi's group did with you...and if they want to fight, fuck the relationship and them all.
This people have bullied the entire S.A. organization for a year...that interwiew is clear in this.
On the other side, i frankly think that's quite impossible that Kiwhi's health has gone the way Carter assume has gone...incredible that he wasn't 100 per cent till play offs time, and in any case these people behavior prevented the spurs staff to know if he was able to play.
That was a legitimate fraud...also the interwiewers of Carter, at some point, have begun to question the fact that Kiwhi was or not hiding because he was hiding the fact that he was completely healty...and let's not forget that for S.A. doctors he was healty from the beginning of the season, and S.A. decided not to play him just because of the pain he was telling them he was suffering. That video of Kiwhi going up on the plane just confirms that everything has been planned...and Kiwhi was consenting his staff to fraud the Spurs.
Its the point to investigate if all this behavior was or not a fraud from the beginning, like it seems it has been.
And in this case, if there is some evidence of it, sue the player and his staff...and have back the same amount of money for damages thet they gave him during the entire course of his career!

[FireMicoHalili]

That Palisoc dude is saying Clippers then Philly. Pretty soon he’ll scatter hints of every possible trade partner and then take credit for leaking it first. Thank you for the entertainment, sourceless, jobless Filipino. Please keep going. :lol

[BatManu20]

These dudes all look like peter-puffers. Do not want.


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[FireMicoHalili]

These dudes all look like peter-puffers. Do not want.


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They all look so happy and excited to be riding LeBron’s coattails :lol

[NASpurs]

These dudes all look like peter-puffers. Do not want.


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Haven’t seen a picture with so many punchable faces. Keep those fuckers away.

[rastaspur]

Pelinka looks like rob lowe's serial killer brother

[BillMc]

Pelinka looks like rob lowe's serial killer brother
:lol

[MoSpur02]

Pelinka looks like a complete douche.

[eDizzle20]

Pelinka looks like a complete douche.
Lol. It should be a crime to wear skinny jeans if you’re over the age of 35.

[bigfan]

KL has made no public statements that I have read about so I still think the door remains open for a return. It would be different if he had personally, publicly stated he wants out, he hasn't. Yeah, he hasn't interfered with his family/friends jabbering to the press but he hasn't said a thing himself. He pissed me off not showing up for the playoffs but Id be glad if somehow he managed to stick around.

[MoSpur02]

Weren't Kuzma and Ball disciplined for some kind of Twitter issue?

[MoSpur02]

KL has made no public statements that I have read about so I still think the door remains open for a return. It would be different if he had personally, publicly stated he wants out, he hasn't. Yeah, he hasn't interfered with his family/friends jabbering to the press but he hasn't said a thing himself. He pissed me off not showing up for the playoffs but Id be glad if somehow he managed to stick around.

He's not going to make a statement.

[MoSpur02]

Weren't Kuzma and Ball disciplined for some kind of Twitter issue?

[Ice009]

He's not going to make a statement.

Has that meeting taken place? I think you mentioned a few days ago that Pop wanted to have another meeting with Kawhi.

[tholdren]

Haven’t seen a picture with so many punchable faces. Keep those fuckers away.

Todays nba. Stop watching

[Chillen]

He's not going to make a statement.

Say he wants to stay and take the supermax he will have to have a press conference to clear the air or do some kind of interview.

Yeah it's wishful thinking he stays at this point but the door has not shut on it till he's traded.

[Marcus Bryant]

The rebuild has begun, prepare accordingly.

[spursparker9]

Anyone want some tough veteran and Character-exposure expert?

D-West and Zaza is available.

https://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2018/7/7/17545194/2018-nba-free-agency-golden-state-warriors-will-not-re-sign-zaza-pachulia-and-david-west-champions

[MoSpur02]

Has that meeting taken place? I think you mentioned a few days ago that Pop wanted to have another meeting with Kawhi.

I believe it has. I'm not 100% sure though.

[MoSpur02]

Say he wants to stay and take the supermax he will have to have a press conference to clear the air or do some kind of interview.

Yeah it's wishful thinking he stays at this point but the door has not shut on it till he's traded.

I believe he's gone. Just of matter of to whom and when.

[sasaint]

Umprofessional, dishonest, no character loyalty or leadership


The uncle is the diva but you assume responsibility for the actions of your agents. How slow of mind do you think he is?

He's an unorthodox diva but a diva nonetheless.

All true. It's a matter of semantics. I think of a diva as an attention-whore - hardly Kawhi. I don't know exactly what label I personally would apply to him, but it just wouldn't be "diva".

[YoungbuckMurray]

All true. It's a matter of semantics. I think of a diva as an attention-whore - hardly Kawhi. I don't know exactly what label I personally would apply to him, but it just wouldn't be "diva".

Seems like a diva to me. Guy sat out basically a full year, hid from the spurs officials, demands a trade to only 1 market (LA) and said he would only sign in LA. If that’s not a diva I don’t know what is

[sasaint]

I believe he's gone. Just of matter of to whom and when.

Heck, a presser with his new team will be fascinating...

[Play Boban]

Kawhitter is the worst diva in the NBA tbh.

[Spurs da champs]

The rebuild has begun, prepare accordingly.

It has? LMA has been traded?

[K...]

It has? LMA has been traded?

the rebuild isn't necessarily the philly model, and isn't necessarily without leonard. As weird as it seems, leonard could admit he's just a role player and drop his max iso game in favor of the guards. He won't do that becuase he's in a weird place where he must be an alpha in public but a beta on thefloor, but it's an option

i could see the spurs work a agreement with kawhi to get the supermax, but change leonards role and make him less ball dominant. Then trade him in two years for an LMA replacement or picks to complete the rebuild.


The real thing is to see if any of the young guards can be stars. Everything flows from that. Leonard and LMA sell tickets. They aren't the future or the present anymore.

[BatManu20]

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[Spurs da champs]

the rebuild isn't necessarily the philly model, and isn't necessarily without leonard. As weird as it seems, leonard could admit he's just a role player and drop his max iso game in favor of the guards. He won't do that becuase he's in a weird place where he must be an alpha in public but a beta on thefloor, but it's an option

i could see the spurs work a agreement with kawhi to get the supermax, but change leonards role and make him less ball dominant. Then trade him in two years for an LMA replacement or picks to complete the rebuild.


The real thing is to see if any of the young guards can be stars. Everything flows from that. Leonard and LMA sell tickets. They aren't the future or the present anymore.

Yes, give Kawhi the supermax to decrease his role. :lmao

[TheDoctor]

1015997426073665537
SAC ripped CHI a new one tbh

[K...]

Yes, give Kawhi the supermax to decrease his role. :lmao

IT's not the best option but considering the shit offers we get now, keeping leonard is the best option. But keeping leonard doesn't mean that the offense has to run with him. Like it or not, ypu ca'n't will Kawhi to be an alpha. And you can't sign him for less than the max. So sign him, tell him to play good leonard, and listen for the trade offers to improve.

[SpursDynasty85]

IT's not the best option but considering the shit offers we get now, keeping leonard is the best option. But keeping leonard doesn't mean that the offense has to run with him. Like it or not, ypu ca'n't will Kawhi to be an alpha. And you can't sign him for less than the max. So sign him, tell him to play good leonard, and listen for the trade offers to improve.

It's his uncle. He is a silent killer on the court. 2 years ago top 3 mvp.

[BatManu20]

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[r0drig0lac]

the rebuild isn't necessarily the philly model, and isn't necessarily without leonard. As weird as it seems, leonard could admit he's just a role player and drop his max iso game in favor of the guards. He won't do that becuase he's in a weird place where he must be an alpha in public but a beta on thefloor, but it's an option

i could see the spurs work a agreement with kawhi to get the supermax, but change leonards role and make him less ball dominant. Then trade him in two years for an LMA replacement or picks to complete the rebuild.


The real thing is to see if any of the young guards can be stars. Everything flows from that. Leonard and LMA sell tickets. They aren't the future or the present anymore.

jesus christ

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

Zaza to Detroit


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Would be pennies on the dollar, trying to get him for crap, just like Kawhi.

[BatManu20]

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[Spurs da champs]

Would be pennies on the dollar, trying to get him for crap, just like Kawhi.

Well, pennies on a quarter for KLove, tbh. :lol

[BatManu20]

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[NASpurs]

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[Leetonidas]

Bucks needed a C but lol brook Lopez is terrible for a team aiming at the playoffs

[spurraider21]

why is this stuff comin in the kawhi thread :lol (brook lopez)

[NASpurs]

why is this stuff comin in the kawhi thread :lol (brook lopez)

Scroll up, there's more random shit too like Lavine. It's become a tweets, nba offseason dump I guess :lol

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[Ursa]

why is this stuff comin in the kawhi thread :lol (brook lopez)

Kind of like a hurricane. It'll stall over warm water and just pick up all the surrounding moisture on it's way to a CAT 5.

This thread has stalled w/ KL news and is just picking up all the surrounding BS on its way to a CAT 1,000 pg thread.

Nothing is stopping it and everything in its path is fucked.

[marinoman]

why is this stuff comin in the kawhi thread :lol (brook lopez)
This has become the nba offseason thread as well. Many pages where kawhi isn’t even mentioned

[Stabula]

I ask Satan for Kawhi to grow a bone in both quad tendons and be dealt to the Lakers for all their youth except Ball

[BatManu20]

The good ol’ days :cry

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhmBu0kUcAABCpf.jpg

[TD 21]

Too many 2-guards, plus Dijon is not a true PG. Gotta hope White is. If so, I would actually like to see him paired with Marco in the SL. Marco's off-ball skill would mesh much more effectively with White than Murray.

Actually, there's not a single true SG among Mills, Fultz, Murray, White and only the latter can credibly play it on both sides of the ball.

That back court can work, so long as one of Mills or White is paired with one of Fultz or Murray at all times. Outside of Mills, the others can all cross match defensively.



There is a flaw in that logic of playing hardball with Kawhi and his group, in order to get him to say yes to considering re-signing with the 76ers- Leonard's credibility is shot, who's to say that even if he gives then that assurance that he would consider re-signing that he actually would. Maybe he would be so desperate not to return to S.A that he says whatever to get out and then bolts to L.A. in a year.

I don't see them offering up Fultz, and it sounds like they want to give him another season, so if there is a deal with Philly to be had, it seems that he isn't likely to be included.

An alternate theory is that the Spurs want to get him into training camp and see him there and in the pre-season before deciding to offer the super-max. If and only if he turns it down, then they will consider moving him.

while Kawhi's group has dug in and the thought of returning to S.A is so much of no-go that he puts external pressure on L.A. to make for him or else he'll threaten to consider signing elsewhere in the offseason out of spite (i.e. the Clippers).

Leonard doesn't actually have to consider re-signing with the 76ers, he just needs to convince them that he will. If he tells them that, even if they are skeptical, they'll still probably trust it because what else would they have to go on?

If they still wouldn't offer Fultz, then the Spurs shouldn't do a trade with them. We can debate the merits of trying to stay competitive all we want, but the reality is, it's thought to be the Spurs intention. How are they supposed to do so without a single featured perimeter scorer or play maker? I'm not interested in tying up significant long term money in a bunch of role players.

I buy that alternate theory. Short of the Celtics, Lakers or 76ers blowing them away, I think that's always been the plan.

[TheDoctor]

The good ol’ days :cry

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[Marcus Bryant]

It has? LMA has been traded?

Ha.

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Ha.

You're not reassuring me.

[Payote75]

I don't even want to try to repair anything. I just want him gone and this over with so we can see where the Spurs roster is and begin to move forward. The only way this would workout by him coming back is if it turns out it was 90% media leaks and kawhi to show that, ditches his representation Spurs have already let Parker go ginobli probably too and he can put his stamp on the team and both organization and player get a fresh start. To be honest that scenario very unlikely so let's just move on. I'm so tired of this crap.

[spurraider21]

It has? LMA has been traded?
done deal

[TDomination]

The good ol’ days :cry

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Is that the year he walked to the arena because of his uncle?

[BillMc]

The good ol’ days :cry

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Damn that makes me sad.

[TheDoctor]

Is that the year he walked to the arena because of his uncle?
I believe so, yes.

[NASpurs]

The good ol’ days :cry

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No eye contact, full blown autism confirmed.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Is that the year he walked to the arena because of his uncle?

???

[Spurs da champs]

???
Spurs security advised him & his uncle to leave at a certain time, his uncle said otherwise, they got stuck in traffic and had to walk to the arena. I forgot which year it was, but Mike Wright said it in back2back podcast.

[Ron Swanson]

Uncle Dipshit didn't like being told what to do.

[Spur|n|Austin]

Spurs security advised him & his uncle to leave at a certain time, his uncle said otherwise, they got stuck in traffic and had to walk to the arena. I forgot which year it was, but Mike Wright said it in back2back podcast.

Ah that's right, can't believe I hadn't thought of that - ole Dennis the Menace has been a thorn for years now.

[buttsR4rebounding]

The good ol’ days :cry

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Kinda symbolic of what is happening now...

[Chinook]

Kinda symbolic of what is happening now...

:wow


:lol

[mystargtr34]

Someone needs to photoshop uncle Dennis head onto Kawhi and Kawhis head as the ball tbh

[sasaint]

done deal

:lol

[tonight...you]

Someone needs to photoshop uncle Dennis head onto Kawhi and Kawhis head as the ball tbh
Oh my goodness that's brilliant.

[Chinook]

Wonder if that "All-Star" PATFO tried to use to temp Kawhi was Kyle Lowry? Toronto probably should try to win it one more time now that Lebron isn't there to stop them, but there have been a number or rumors about them rebuilding. The reason why they both a) Don't want to pull the trigger without Leonard committing long term and b) Aren't willing to match Anderson is that Lowry's contract is really big, and Leonard getting a deal starting at the DPE next summer will put them into practical tax territory.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=18248423595b42989d85c1e506485685

They'd be $106.5 Million with nine more spots to fill. For a team getting a steady supply of ring-chasers, this wouldn't be a big deal. But they'd be really weak depth-wise.

But if Kawhi were to opt into his final year and then sign a somewhat more reasonable DPE (like $160M/4), then it gives SA a solid two-year window to compete before the team has the option of completely rebuilding around Leonard.

This idea has them trading Mills, Green, Gasol and Manu's deal for Lowry and Powell's bad contract:

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=19447059805b42978c23d85647162320

Lowry, White, Vet PG/Cheap youngster (Harris, Napier)
Murray, Beli, Walker
Leonard, Powell, Blossomgame
Bertans, Gay, Metu
Aldridge, Milutinov, Vet big (Len, Booker)

Two-way:

Hanlan
Eubanks/Brimah/Jefferson

[BatManu20]

:downspin:


http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=274741&p=9466086#post9466086

[rasuo214]

Wonder if that "All-Star" PATFO tried to use to temp Kawhi was Kyle Lowry? Toronto probably should try to win it one more time now that Lebron isn't there to stop them, but there have been a number or rumors about them rebuilding. The reason why they both a) Don't want to pull the trigger without Leonard committing long term and b) Aren't willing to match Anderson is that Lowry's contract is really big, and Leonard getting a deal starting at the DPE next summer will put them into practical tax territory.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=18248423595b42989d85c1e506485685

They'd be $106.5 Million with nine more spots to fill. For a team getting a steady supply of ring-chasers, this wouldn't be a big deal. But they'd be really weak depth-wise.

But if Kawhi were to opt into his final year and then sign a somewhat more reasonable DPE (like $160M/4), then it gives SA a solid two-year window to compete before the team has the option of completely rebuilding around Leonard.

This idea has them trading Mills, Green, Gasol and Manu's deal for Lowry and Powell's bad contract:

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=19447059805b42978c23d85647162320

Lowry, White, Vet PG/Cheap youngster (Harris, Napier)
Murray, Beli, Walker
Leonard, Powell, Blossomgame
Bertans, Gay, Metu
Aldridge, Milutinov, Vet big (Len, Booker)

Two-way:

Hanlan
Eubanks/Brimah/Jefferson

No thanks to Lowry. Plus the Spurs passed on him last off-season.

[Chinook]

No thanks to Lowry. Plus the Spurs passed on him last off-season.

I really don't want to be left holding the Lowry bag either. But he's a good player who only has one more year on his deal after this one, and he is from Texas and wants to be a Spur. The Spurs can contend with another move (I don't think Cousins signing has made GS any more invincible than they were last year). If Leonard can be persuaded to return on a lesser deal to make it happen, they can't turn afford to stand pat.

[DPG21920]

I really don't want to be left holding the Lowry bag either. But he's a good player who only has one more year on his deal after this one, and he is from Texas and wants to be a Spur. The Spurs can contend with another move (I don't think Cousins signing has made GS any more invincible than they were last year). If Leonard can be persuaded to return on a lesser deal to make it happen, they can't turn afford to stand pat.

SA was not going to stand pat if Kawhi changed his mind. They clearly had something lined up.

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SA was not going to stand pat if Kawhi changed his mind. They clearly had something lined up.

Yep. I wonder what Pop was getting at with that and if he had specifics or was just signaling potential moves/future shift in personnel.

[NASpurs]

I really don't want to be left holding the Lowry bag either. But he's a good player who only has one more year on his deal after this one, and he is from Texas and wants to be a Spur. The Spurs can contend with another move (I don't think Cousins signing has made GS any more invincible than they were last year). If Leonard can be persuaded to return on a lesser deal to make it happen, they can't turn afford to stand pat.

:lol I had forgotten that Lowry really wanted to be a Spur last year. Makes sense.

[Chinook]

SA was not going to stand pat if Kawhi changed his mind. They clearly had something lined up.

That's the rumor. The question is who. We've been acting like it's Kemba, but there are other "All-Stars" who could be had. Lowry, Irving, maybe Millsap or Beal. Maybe even Teague.

[Chillen]

What would be hilarious is if Spurs traded with Toronto and got Lowry and he finally beats LeBron in playoffs as a Spur.

[raybies]

:lol I had forgotten that Lowry really wanted to be a Spur last year. Makes sense.
It was hilarious lol We had zero interest.

[tonight...you]

SA was not going to stand pat if Kawhi changed his mind. They clearly had something lined up.
Agreed. The brainwashed can only go in one direction though.
There was nothing Pop and the Spurs (who I think Kawhi still likes and values) could do.
Uncle Dennis and Impact (which is ironic and now want to change the name of the villain co. and I'm going to have an awkard convo with a certain producer over this...) are the drivers of this limo-driven tour of someone's life.

Ultimately it's up to Kawhi, in the End and he's been complicit, up to now.

[Chinook]

It was hilarious lol We had zero interest.

I don't think SA was willing to trade LMA for Lowry the same way they were willing to trade him for Irving or Paul. I was actually really hyping Lowry up before free agency and was really annoyed that they signed Mills instead.

[NASpurs]

It was hilarious lol We had zero interest.

Yeah I remember he said it before a Raptors/Spurs game in the preseason and people were like "wtf"... as a way of him disrespecting his current team. Kind of like: "I wanted to play for the Spurs but they didn't want me... so here I am." :lol

[TD 21]

I really don't want to be left holding the Lowry bag either. But he's a good player who only has one more year on his deal after this one, and he is from Texas and wants to be a Spur. The Spurs can contend with another move (I don't think Cousins signing has made GS any more invincible than they were last year). If Leonard can be persuaded to return on a lesser deal to make it happen, they can't turn afford to stand pat.

He's from Philadelphia.

No chance the Raptors would trade their best player and an outside shot at a Finals appearance, for no young asset(s) or meaningful financial flexibility.

[raybies]

Yeah I remember he said it before a Raptors/Spurs game in the preseason and people were like "wtf"... as a way of him disrespecting his current team. "I wanted to play for the Spurs but they didn't want me... so here I am." :lol
Still makes me chuckle

[tonight...you]

I don't think SA was willing to trade LMA for Lowry the same way they were willing to trade him for Irving or Paul. I was actually really hyping Lowry up before free agency and was really annoyed that they signed Mills instead.
I remember this.

[Chinook]

He's from Philadelphia.

No chance the Raptors would trade their best player and an outside shot at a Finals appearance, for no young asset(s) or meaningful financial flexibility.

Depends on the deal and how they value what SA has. They are locked into being a tax team right now, and the Spurs can save them tens of Millions and give them a prospect like Murray. If I were them, I'd give it at least this upcoming season to see if they can win with Lebron gone. Indeed, the deal SA had in place when they spoke to Kawhi could have been during the draft with 18 on the table for Toronto and with them not yet knowing James was going to leave the East. But there's definitely something for trading guys too early rather than too late.

[sasaint]

SA was not going to stand pat if Kawhi changed his mind. They clearly had something lined up.

Why do you say that?

[mo7888]

That's the rumor. The question is who. We've been acting like it's Kemba, but there are other "All-Stars" who could be had. Lowry, Irving, maybe Millsap or Beal. Maybe even Teague.

Would have loved to have seen Beal next to Kawhi.

[Hoops Czar]

I don't think SA was willing to trade LMA for Lowry the same way they were willing to trade him for Irving or Paul. I was actually really hyping Lowry up before free agency and was really annoyed that they signed Mills instead.
Lowry is 32 and is owed 64M over the next two seasons. Hard pass!

[SAGirl]

Wonder if that "All-Star" PATFO tried to use to temp Kawhi was Kyle Lowry? Toronto probably should try to win it one more time now that Lebron isn't there to stop them, but there have been a number or rumors about them rebuilding. The reason why they both a) Don't want to pull the trigger without Leonard committing long term and b) Aren't willing to match Anderson is that Lowry's contract is really big, and Leonard getting a deal starting at the DPE next summer will put them into practical tax territory.

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=18248423595b42989d85c1e506485685

They'd be $106.5 Million with nine more spots to fill. For a team getting a steady supply of ring-chasers, this wouldn't be a big deal. But they'd be really weak depth-wise.

But if Kawhi were to opt into his final year and then sign a somewhat more reasonable DPE (like $160M/4), then it gives SA a solid two-year window to compete before the team has the option of completely rebuilding around Leonard.

This idea has them trading Mills, Green, Gasol and Manu's deal for Lowry and Powell's bad contract:

http://www.shamsports.com/capulator?id=19447059805b42978c23d85647162320

Lowry, White, Vet PG/Cheap youngster (Harris, Napier)
Murray, Beli, Walker
Leonard, Powell, Blossomgame
Bertans, Gay, Metu
Aldridge, Milutinov, Vet big (Len, Booker)

Two-way:

Hanlan
Eubanks/Brimah/Jefferson
That has some sense about the additional all star. In one of all the rumors to come out in this saga it was mentioned that Kawhi doesn't care about an additional all star and that be doesn't want a super team. I think he just wants his money and doesn't care about who plays with him. His uncle has said through his mouthpieces they believe Leonard can recruit and attract players to play with him etc.

He doesn't care about how PATFO puts things together so long as he gets his and if he doesn't he wants out. This tirijala has been going on all season I suspect. I am not convinced that leg is A-OK as you know. I think his bargaining position got very weakened once he got injured and the misdiagnosis opens medical disagreements just made it worse, then what was a tropical storm turned into a hurricane which has continued to pick up steam (to borrow someone's colorful analogy). Until that hurricane lands it just won't deflate and start to weaken and dissappear. We are charting trajectories, not knowing where it is going to land.

Meanwhile Kyle was that citizen that saw the storm picking up steam and not wanting to wait to see where it lands first bc it would be too late for him to take measures he just took it upon himself to relocate his little trailer. Most residents are still waiting for more news on the storm.

[BatManu20]

Posted this upstairs too.




AAU brawl. Players attack refs. Today's youth... smh :wow


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[BSfromTX]

Sad

[BatManu20]

David Aldridge on NBATV just said the Lakers have stopped negotiating with the Spurs until they lower their trade demands.


Your move, Philly.

[RD2191]

David Aldridge on NBATV just said the Lakers have stopped negotiating with the Spurs until they lower their trade demands.


Your move, Philly.

Eat shit LA :lol