Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[dbreiden83080]

It would actually be hilarious to me if he eventually got traded to the clippers. Because Rivers has proven to be one of the worst coaches in the league in the last few years. Total and complete fuck up. And the clippers are a snake bit flat out disastrous organization.

[Payote75]

Hey I got an idea why don't we segregate and just have people with only certain amounts of posts speak in their relegated thread this way all the really experienced posters can have there own click.:wow

[Emperor]

Stay woke Payote. :toast

[Payote75]

It would actually be hilarious to me if he eventually got traded to the clippers. Because Rivers has proven to be one of the worst coaches in the league in the last few years. Total and complete fuck up. And the clippers are a snake bit flat out disastrous organization.

I totally agree...wherever he goes I hope he just remains unhappy and shows his true colors to everyone. He has embarrassed this franchise enough man.

[Ron Swanson]

The Spurs should just string him along in regard to trading him to a team he wants to go to, or just in regard to trading him in general.

Just like he kept telling them he's coming back throughout that second half of the season then changing his mind before the game he was projected to return, the Spurs should do the same thing to him. Let's see how he likes it. "Yeah, we got a trade, it'll be finalized tomorrow. Yeah, no, it's now not happening today." Give him back the same bullshit he gave the Spurs. Keep it going all the way up to the deadline, then don't trade him at all and force him to play after the trade deadline.

I like this idea.

[Payote75]

Stay woke Payote. :toast

back at ya buddy!!!!!:toast

[Fusternino]

I sent my trade proposal to Skip Bayless's fanmail. Let's see what happens.

[marinoman]

Spurstalk seems to breaking into 3 groups about kawhi
1. Fuck these shit offers, just keep him and if he walks he walks, at least we get capspace
2. Im sick of him and this situation, get his ass outta here for whatever
3. I failed pharmacy school and now i hope i get fucked in the ass by kawhi and his uncle

[Chucho]

Spurstalk seems to breaking into 3 groups about kawhi
1. Fuck these shit offers, just keep him and if he walks he walks, at least we get capspace
2. Im sick of him and this situation, get his ass outta here for whatever
3. I failed pharmacy school and now i hope i get fucked in the ass by kawhi and his uncle
:lol

[daslicer]

Spurstalk seems to breaking into 3 groups about kawhi
1. Fuck these shit offers, just keep him and if he walks he walks, at least we get capspace
2. Im sick of him and this situation, get his ass outta here for whatever
3. I failed pharmacy school and now i hope i get fucked in the ass by kawhi and his uncle

:lol I respect your honesty.

[phyzik]

talks of trade to Raptors now... DeMar DeRozan might be involved.

[marinoman]

:lol I respect your honesty.
Nah I’m group 1...Kawhi isn’t my type

[buttsR4rebounding]

3. I failed pharmacy school and now i hope i get fucked in the ass by kawhi and his uncle

No! No! Butts are for Rebounding!

[daslicer]

Nah I’m group 1...Kawhi isn’t my type

I'm with you I'm also in group 1.

[offset formation]

Group 1 in da house, with a twist.

I'd be equally as content with a last second trade in February to NBA hell.

Make his ass CHOOSE to walk away from another $50M, while living out the final months of the NBAseason in a shit hole.

In the interim, play him 40+ per night or bench him. Whichever is the most annoying to him.

[apalisoc_9]

So he gets misdiagnosed and then these fuckers question his injury despite giving Leonard full control of his rehab.

People are so blind.

[BatManu20]

Spurstalk seems to breaking into 3 groups about kawhi
1. Fuck these shit offers, just keep him and if he walks he walks, at least we get capspace
2. Im sick of him and this situation, get his ass outta here for whatever
3. I failed pharmacy school and now i hope i get fucked in the ass by kawhi and his uncle


:lol

[BatManu20]

talks of trade to Raptors now... DeMar DeRozan might be involved.

These Raptors rumors have been going on for a couple days now brah. Don’t know if there’s any truth to them though. Mostly just speculation.

[ducks]

So he gets misdiagnosed and then these fuckers question his injury despite giving Leonard full control of his rehab.

People are so blind.
Yeah people voted for Clinton

[Slippy]

I like this idea.
Cosign. Kawhi dealing with the spurs since the injury most would call unprofessional. I know jalen & beadle did on the get up show. Spurs can play same game

[tbdog]

It's so bullshit we made this player a machine and his family has fucked the franchise. It might be 20 years until we see a player that good playing in San Antonio.

[venitian navigator]

So he gets misdiagnosed and then these fuckers question his injury despite giving Leonard full control of his rehab.

People are so blind.

looks lke the blind ones have been the Spurs just because Kiwhi's group didn't consent them to know what was going on with the supposed riabilitation process...
What you pretend to do not understand is that giving to his group control of the healing process is just about the healing process, not the informations about it. They behaved like Kiwhi was of their property, while on the contrary the Spurs were still the ones and only ones writing checks for Kiwhi.
His group never and never had the right to hide him from thr organization, nor they had the right to hide and control the outcomes of the supposed medical process (different from the Spurs one)they were using...
another thing you seem to pretend to not undertsnd is that the chance to use this ipothethical power has been given from the Spurs to his group only because of the trust relationship they had with the player, because the Spurs doctors had already said that for them the player was able to play. So, instead of calling an nba doctor they trusted the supposed pain Kiwhi was telling them to suffer...
It has been all based on the trust relationship between player and organization...
And the tolerance the Spurs organization decided to exercise after the "group" illegitimate behavior, has been equally based on trusting the player and his family.

The point is that the following knowledge of the events showed to the world that the "group" were willing from the beginning to reach their goals (alas supermax or LA) no matter what...Spurs gave them a finger and they took the whole body (and all the Spurs checks included).

[apalisoc_9]

looks lke the blind ones have been the Spurs just because Kiwhi's group didn't consent them to know what was going on with the supposed riabilitation process...
What you pretend to do not understand is that giving to his group control of the healing process is just about the healing process, not the informations about it. They behaved like Kiwhi was of their property, while on the contrary the Spurs were still the ones and only ones writing checks for Kiwhi.
His group never and never had the right to hide him from thr organization, nor they had the right to hide and control the outcomes of the supposed medical process (different from the Spurs one)they were using...
another thing you seem to pretend to not undertsnd is that the chance to use this ipothethical power has been given from the Spurs to his group only because of the trust relationship they had with the player, because the Spurs doctors had already said that for them the player was able to play. So, instead of calling an nba doctor they trusted the supposed pain Kiwhi was telling them to suffer...
It has been all based on the trust relationship between player and organization...
And the tolerance the Spurs organization decided to exercise after the "group" illegitimate behavior, has been equally based on trusting the player and his family.

The point is that the following knowledge of the events showed to the world that the "group" were willing from the beginning to reach their goals (alas supermax or LA) no matter what...Spurs gave them a finger and they took the whole body (and all the Spurs checks included).

Dahell.

In no situation are employees obliged to let their employers know of their full and detailed medical condition. The only thing organization are entited to are wether or not he can play or if the injury is deadly or not.

He said he cant play. And the Spurs started questioning him.

Its like an employee asking for a sick day because he has explosive diarrhea and they keep on insisting to know more.

[HankChinaski]

For nearly 20 mil, a detailed explanation an some follow ups are to be expected.

[apalisoc_9]

For nearly 20 mil, a detailed explanation an some follow ups are to be expected.

No.

When the Spurs gave Kawhi full control of his injury they gave him the power to dictate when to comeback. Ill gladly be on the spurs side if kawhi is calling bobo while under spurs medical care and spurs medical care say he is healthy.

But the fact of the matter is that they gave him full responsibility. You dont give him that full resposnsibility and when the answer he gives you and answer you dont like you start questioning his credibility.

Thats backstabbing and betrayel.

[venitian navigator]

Dahell.

In no situation are employees obliged to let their employers know of their full and detailed medical condition. The only thing organization are entited to are wether or not he can play or if the injury is deadly or not.

He said he cant play. And the Spurs started questioning him.

Its like an employee asking for a sick day because he has explosive diarrhea and they keep on insisting to know more.

are you joking? A sick day ? this fool has been out from the entire season starting from the past play off exit!!!
Tell me in what world a person that is paid by the organizaion can stay home without giving a full and detailed explanation and knowledge of the reasons he's out.
Tell me what kind of fucking contact give to anybody the power to be paid without doing absolutely nothing for an entire year.

No chance in hell.

They exercised not only maximum leverage, bur exceeded all the leverage in the world...the only name of this is fraud.

[Ron Swanson]

Y'all keep responding to his dumbass trolling.

[HankChinaski]

I am talking about the Spurs medical staff talking to medically licensed individuals he chose handling his rehab.

There is certainly things that shouldn't be disclosed but in regards to their medical opinion an progression of rehabilitation some accountability is required. You can't expect an organization to continue writing 7 figure checks after an extended period of time without any information.

[spurs10]

No.

When the Spurs gave Kawhi full control of his injury they gave him the power to dictate when to comeback. Ill gladly be on the spurs side if kawhi is calling bobo while under spurs medical care and spurs medical care say he is healthy.

But the fact of the matter is that they gave him full responsibility. You dont give him that full resposnsibility and when the answer he gives you and answer you dont like you start questioning his credibility.

Thats backstabbing and betrayel. As late as the playoffs Pop was saying 'he's in NYC trying to get healthy.' They were very trusting in letting him have control of his rehab and were likely completely in the dark. So they gave him complete control; and paid him $19 million to get healthy. Doesn't sound very malicious to me. He needs to suit up and show he can play...or not. He will lose a large fortune if chooses the latter which is sad. He, through his work ethic and skill, put himself in a position to earn $219 million dollars for playing the game he loves. If he doesn't live up to his obligations this season it will not only cost him close to $100 million, but it won't do his legacy and reputation much good.

NBA careers are fleeting and sitting out two years is not a good option if it can be helped. Lace'em up and play the game you love.

[venitian navigator]

No.

When the Spurs gave Kawhi full control of his injury they gave him the power to dictate when to comeback. Ill gladly be on the spurs side if kawhi is calling bobo while under spurs medical care and spurs medical care say he is healthy.

But the fact of the matter is that they gave him full responsibility. You dont give him that full resposnsibility and when the answer he gives you and answer you dont like you start questioning his credibility.

Thats backstabbing and betrayel.

Backstabbing and betrayal my ass.
the fact i give you something doesn't meen you don't owe me nothing.
Kiwhi and his group behave like they were no more part of the Spurs organizaion.
That has never been the case.
I'm still paying you.
You signed a contract.
You have to fulfill it, and in this situation your obligation is the one to give me all the informations you have about the healimg process we consented you to manage by your own.
You feel backstabbed because after a year I ask you what is the point of your medical prpcess and I legitimately want to know it? What kinfd of backstabbing is this?
You feel betrayed but you receive my checks for millions of dollars? what kind of betrayal is this?

[apalisoc_9]

Bs.

Paying someone doesnt mean you can just fuck off every agreement.

Micheal Wright the guy spurstalk loves so much said it himself. The Spurs gave Kawhi and his group full control of his injury.

If you're giving someone full control of their enjoy and when they can comeback, you dont question the findings just because its not the answer you want.

Thats why kawhi is frustrted. They said ok Kawhi comeback when you feel healthy. We belive in you but after a few months they started mocking him in national media.

Thats backstabbing

[Ice009]

No.

When the Spurs gave Kawhi full control of his injury they gave him the power to dictate when to comeback. Ill gladly be on the spurs side if kawhi is calling bobo while under spurs medical care and spurs medical care say he is healthy.

But the fact of the matter is that they gave him full responsibility. You dont give him that full resposnsibility and when the answer he gives you and answer you dont like you start questioning his credibility.

Thats backstabbing and betrayel.

I'd love to get a hold of you and try and break down that fucking thick skull of yours. Fuck your betrayal.

Most employers aren't going to care much about a sick day or two, but if you take a FULL FUCKING YEAR OFF, you can bet they're going to want to know what the fuck is going on. They're going to want details and information about what your ailment is, and if it is legit. They're not going to keep paying you money and not question anything. Don't be fucking obtuse.

[ducks]

It's so bullshit we made this player a machine and his family has fucked the franchise. It might be 20 years until we see a player that good playing in San Antonio.

Said that with David Robinson also

[venitian navigator]

Bs.

Paying someone doesnt mean you can just fuck off every agreement.

Micheal Wright the guy spurstalk loves so much said it himself. The Spurs gave Kawhi and his group full control of his injury.

If you're giving someone full control of their enjoy and when they can comeback, you dont question the findings just because its not the answer you want.

Thats why kawhi is frustrted. They said ok Kawhi comeback when you feel healthy. We belive in you but after a few months they started mocking him in national media.

Thats backstabbing

No.

First: you're my player. Giving you full control is by my will. My will can change if and when I see that the full control I gave you is badly exercised 'cause you are exceeding his limits.

Second: They began to question when the player said one thing and then said the exact opposite...giving them for several times different answers about the moment of his coming back. the situation has reached the point of detrimental of the Spurs other players. To the point they had to call him in a meeting to undertand what was going on and why he was telling them one thing and behaving the opposite way. in other words was becoming clear that his behavior was perplexing, and was coming out inevitably the suspect he was fooling the organization...

You call backstabbing a thing that can't be called this way.
the behavior of Kiwhi and his group has been more than expletive that something was weird...and weird things need to be explained. and the explanation has at least to be convincing.
Frustrated? you have to only be grateful that from the beginning we trusted you to the point to consent you to manage by yourself the healing process...that's a ton of trust.

[daslicer]

I'd love to get a hold of you and try and break down that fucking thick skull of yours. Fuck your betrayal.

Most employers aren't going to care much about a sick day or two, but if you take a FULL FUCKING YEAR OFF, you can bet they're going to want to know what the fuck is going on. They're going to want details and information about what your ailment is, and if it is legit. They're not going to keep paying you money and not question anything. Don't be fucking obtuse.

Ice Apa is dumb parrot that is always throwing shit at the wall and hoping it will stick. If Kawhi's people said Kawhi needs to join team ISIS than Apa would be screaming about how ISIS is a better run organization than the Spurs. Don't waste your time responding to this parrot.

[apalisoc_9]

I'd love to get a hold of you and try and break down that fucking thick skull of yours. Fuck your betrayal.

Most employers aren't going to care much about a sick day or two, but if you take a FULL FUCKING YEAR OFF, you can bet they're going to want to know what the fuck is going on. They're going to want details and information about what your ailment is, and if it is legit. They're not going to keep paying you money and not question anything. Don't be fucking obtuse.

A year? Wow are you serious?

Kawhi cameback to play. Realisticly, he was out for a grand total of 3 months and by the time april rolled around reports show that the spurs prefered not to have in the playoffs.

He didnt take a full year off. He reinjured during that 9 game stint. He took 3 months off. You dont talk against a player after a reinjury thats just bush league.

[apalisoc_9]

No.

First: you're my player. Giving you full control is by my will. My will can change if and when I see that the full control I gave you is badly exercised 'cause you are exceeding his limits.

Second: They began to question when the player said one thing and then said the exact opposite...giving them for several times different answers about the moment of his coming back. the situation has reached the point of detrimental of the Spurs other players. To the point they had to call him in a meeting to undertand what was going on and why he was telling them one thing and behaving the opposite way. in other words was becoming clear that his behavior was perplexing, and was coming out inevitably the suspect he was fooling the organization...

You call backstabbing a thing that can't be called this way.
the behavior of Kiwhi and his group has been more than expletive that something was weird...and weird things need to be explained. and the explanation has at least to be convincing.
Frustrated? you have to only be grateful that from the beginning we trusted you to the point to consent you to manage by yourself the healing process...that's a ton of trust.

Wtf are you talking about? What limit did kawhi exceed?

All he did was not play for 3 months after reinjuring his quad. He actually comeback to play.

Did people just forget that kawhi actually played and came back very early?

[spurs10]

Bs.

Paying someone doesnt mean you can just fuck off every agreement.

Micheal Wright the guy spurstalk loves so much said it himself. The Spurs gave Kawhi and his group full control of his injury.

If you're giving someone full control of their enjoy and when they can comeback, you dont question the findings just because its not the answer you want.

Thats why kawhi is frustrted. They said ok Kawhi comeback when you feel healthy. We belive in you but after a few months they started mocking him in national media.

Thats backstabbing Bullshit. They treated him extremely well. Kawhi needs to decide if he can play or not and then fulfill his contract...Period. Case. Closed.

[MannyIsGod]

Wtf are you talking about? What limit did kawhi exceed?

All he did was not play for 3 months after reinjuring his quad. He actually comeback to play.

Did people just forget that kawhi actually played and came back very early?

Never seen someone put so much time and effort into a stupid schtick on ST. You need a hobby and some friends.

[apalisoc_9]

Bullshit. They treated him extremely well. Kawhi needs to decide if he can play or not and then fulfill his contract...Period. Case. Closed.

And he decided he cant so why the fuck are spurms on his ass?

[DPG21920]

And he decided he cant so why the fuck are spurms on his ass?

Because Kawhi himself told reporters and SA and his teammates repeatedly that he was coming back. This was not SA setting dates, but Kawhi. Then without explanation Kawhi would just say “never mind, next game”.

[Play Boban]

Whose username is Jabari Young positing under tbh?

[Chinook]

are you fucking retarded???? I made one comment about dopey laker fans and that asshole is being a dickbag about it and you I don't even understand wtf your talking about...just move along bro ...dopey fuck!!!!

Bene's grown surly over the years and tends to come off pretty abrasively with new posters, but his point is valid. Laker's fans like LkrFan and Killakobe81 aren't trolls. They are members of this board who have put in years of service. They were here to trash talk when there was still an SA/LAL rivalry, and they stayed here through their team's recent string of terrible years. Some of them like DeadlyDynasty also contribute to the NFL Forum on here, and that's probably the closest thing we have to Prime SpursTalk nowadays. You attacked them without understanding that they belong here. It wasn't your fault that you didn't know, but there's wisdom in benefactor's criticism. ST is a weird place, and if you don't want to find yourself in random disputes like this, it helps to semi-lurk for a bit.

Hopefully, you'll take this as the mere explanation it is and not feel like I'm going at you. We can always use new blood on here, but expecting this to be like Reddick or RealGM would set you up for disappointment.

[cd021]

I tried to be realistic because Kawhi's trade value is low because of how he has handled things.

Sure but you're acting as though he'll only net the Spurs 30 cents on the dollar so they have to include picks, Derrick White or Walker to try and get other teams to take Kawhi off our hands.

If you just had Kawhi for every hypothetical trade, the returning assets just wouldn't get it done.

[ismael-robert]

After 3 days sick leave my federal job requires a dr note

[JH22]

After 3 days sick leave my federal job requires a dr note

Same here.

BTW....fuxk Kawhi. He is nothing but a bitch

[spurraider21]

Whose username is Jabari Young positing under tbh?
pinoy marauder

[JPB]

Never seen someone put so much time and effort into a stupid schtick on ST. You need a hobby and some friends.


Alts talking to each other...

SAD!

Freaks you out, seriously. How inept and empty one's life can be? It's like contemplating infinite abyss.

[SupremeGuy]

It's disgusting watching masta' Pop treat this young African American man as a slave. Where is your worldly liberalism Pop, you giant hypocritical piece of shit? You're were so proud when players kneeled and dishonored our flag and anthem, but now you wont grant this young man his freedom? You're worse than the NFL owners establishing a rule that requires the players to stand for the anthem, but I'm sure in a few months you'll be attacking that rule again. Fuck you.

[gilmor]

Never seen someone put so much time and effort into a stupid schtick on ST. You need a hobby and some friends.

He doesnt have both.

I can bet you he never work in his whole fucking life.

[Big Empty]

It's disgusting watching masta' Pop treat this young African American man as a slave. Where is your worldly liberalism Pop, you giant hypocritical piece of shit? You're were so proud when players kneeled and dishonored our flag and anthem, but now you wont grant this young man his freedom? You're worse than the NFL owners establishing a rule that requires the players to stand for the anthem, but I'm sure in a few months you'll be attacking that rule again. Fuck you. kawhi is free. He can retire from the NBA and come work with us at our 9-5 job. This argument is stupid. The Spurs dont need to bow down to any pink pickle bunny diva demands. Spurs are free to do what they want for this next season since he signed that contract on his own.

[jsandiego]

The Spurs should just string him along in regard to trading him to a team he wants to go to, or just in regard to trading him in general.

Just like he kept telling them he's coming back throughout that second half of the season then changing his mind before the game he was projected to return, the Spurs should do the same thing to him. Let's see how he likes it. "Yeah, we got a trade, it'll be finalized tomorrow. Yeah, no, it's now not happening today." Give him back the same bullshit he gave the Spurs. Keep it going all the way up to the deadline, then don't trade him at all and force him to play after the trade deadline.
This right here is what I was telling my laker fan friend. It’s the best idea yet.

[Ice009]

This right here is what I was telling my laker fan friend. It’s the best idea yet.

If he insists on Lakers only, yeah, I would seriously consider taking that approach. I have no problem doing it if the Spurs can't get a decent return due to him continuing to torpedo his trade value.

[exstatic]

The more I think about the Toronto trade, the more I love it. If you treat it as a straight salary dump by TOR, a lot of things become clear.

A). This is the nightmare scenario for The Group. Toronto, by trading DD, and with Lowry expiring next summer, is indicating a rebuild, starting in 2019. They may not even be all that interested in re-signing him unless they make the Finals, an order of magnitude improvement. If The Group pulls any kind of shit, they will find themselves fielding only 4/$139m offers.

B) Because of the rebuild, there is no way that TOR entertains offers to flip Kawhitter this season to the LAL. The only realistic salary ballast is Deng, and he’s under contract until 2020. Toronto will want no part of that, having started the rebuild/cap clear ball rolling already by shipping out DD. All of those players who Magic so cleverly signed to one year deals would have to give their permission for a trade, and ohow many do you think want to go from LA to a crash and burn in Toronto? :lol. It’s almost like the “keep him and let him walk” scenario, except we get a young asset and a rental 20 point scorer for probably two seasons.

C). It’s cold, and far away from his family’s two bases of operations: LA and NJ.

[baseline bum]

The more I think about the Toronto trade, the more I love it. If you treat it as a straight salary dump by TOR, a lot of things become clear.

A). This is the nightmare scenario for The Group. Toronto, by trading DD, and with Lowry expiring next summer, is indicating a rebuild, starting in 2019. They may not even be all that interested in re-signing him unless they make the Finals, an order of magnitude improvement. If The Group pulls any kind of shit, they will find themselves fielding only 4/$139m offers.

B) Because of the rebuild, there is no way that TOR entertains offers to flip Kawhitter this season to the LAL. The only realistic salary ballast is Deng, and he’s under contract until 2020. Toronto will want no part of that, having started the rebuild/cap clear ball rolling already by shipping out DD. All of those players who Magic so cleverly signed to one year deals would have to give their permission for a trade, and ohow many do you think want to go from LA to a crash and burn in Toronto? :lol. It’s almost like the “keep him and let him walk” scenario, except we get a young asset and a rental 20 point scorer for probably two seasons.

C). It’s cold, and far away from his family’s two bases of operations: LA and NJ.

:bobo

[Budkin]

It's disgusting watching masta' Pop treat this young African American man as a slave. Where is your worldly liberalism Pop, you giant hypocritical piece of shit? You're were so proud when players kneeled and dishonored our flag and anthem, but now you wont grant this young man his freedom? You're worse than the NFL owners establishing a rule that requires the players to stand for the anthem, but I'm sure in a few months you'll be attacking that rule again. Fuck you.

:rolleyes

[kobyz]

i don't want covington, was the worst player for sixers in the playoff... how the hell he's been talking as a trading piece, has no trade value!

[TheDoctor]

Never seen someone put so much time and effort into a stupid schtick on ST. You need a hobby and some friends.
What about putting all that effort in a Pharmacy School?

[Baam]

Kyrie gave the Cavs so much more leverage, he had 4 or 5 teams on his lists... Even then the return the Cavs got was shit but the Group is trying to get him traded for Deng + 2nd rounder or something.

If they leave no leverage for the Spurs then the only answer is to keep him on the team. You shouldn't do anything to please someone who is shitting in your whole organisation, on your legends and on your culture for 12 months.

If he wants off the team then the ball is in his hands, call the Sixers owner and convince him you want to go to multiple Finals with his team. Then we'll get a decent return and it's win win. Wonder if Pop and RC explained that to the Group because they don't seem very bright, shitting on the Spurs every 3 days instead of helping them. Guess they think Pop has gone soft. Hopefully they get proven wrong.

[RGMCSE]

The more I think about the Toronto trade, the more I love it. If you treat it as a straight salary dump by TOR, a lot of things become clear.

A). This is the nightmare scenario for The Group. Toronto, by trading DD, and with Lowry expiring next summer, is indicating a rebuild, starting in 2019. They may not even be all that interested in re-signing him unless they make the Finals, an order of magnitude improvement. If The Group pulls any kind of shit, they will find themselves fielding only 4/$139m offers.

B) Because of the rebuild, there is no way that TOR entertains offers to flip Kawhitter this season to the LAL. The only realistic salary ballast is Deng, and he’s under contract until 2020. Toronto will want no part of that, having started the rebuild/cap clear ball rolling already by shipping out DD. All of those players who Magic so cleverly signed to one year deals would have to give their permission for a trade, and ohow many do you think want to go from LA to a crash and burn in Toronto? :lol. It’s almost like the “keep him and let him walk” scenario, except we get a young asset and a rental 20 point scorer for probably two seasons.

C). It’s cold, and far away from his family’s two bases of operations: LA and NJ.


Love it main! :toast

[kobyz]

If he's not traded do you think pop woul bench him if not sign extension?

[acoelho1]

If true, I don’t know why we would let Kawhi know when a trade is close. Let him find out on Twitter. Oh wait, he doesn’t use Twitter ;). It’s one thing to demand a trade but he’s also trying to stop any 1 year rental situation, which puts the Spurs in a tougher position. Through this process Kawhi has not shown any level of respect for the organization that gave him the support to become one of the best players in the league and win a championship. He was able to soak up all that knowledge from Pop and 3 future hall of fame players and their thanks was to sully the Spur’s reputation through his minions in the media. I wanted him back but now I don’t give a damn. Let him rot on the bench another year and lose more millions when he leaves as a free agent.

[offset formation]

It's disgusting watching masta' Pop treat this young African American man as a slave. Where is your worldly liberalism Pop, you giant hypocritical piece of shit? You're were so proud when players kneeled and dishonored our flag and anthem, but now you wont grant this young man his freedom? You're worse than the NFL owners establishing a rule that requires the players to stand for the anthem, but I'm sure in a few months you'll be attacking that rule again. Fuck you.

https://media.giphy.com/media/AV04OcvXZsVAk/200w.gif

[LkrFan]

Bene's grown surly over the years and tends to come off pretty abrasively with new posters, but his point is valid. Laker's fans like LkrFan and Killakobe81 aren't trolls. They are members of this board who have put in years of service. They were here to trash talk when there was still an SA/LAL rivalry, and they stayed here through their team's recent string of terrible years. Some of them like DeadlyDynasty also contribute to the NFL Forum on here, and that's probably the closest thing we have to Prime SpursTalk nowadays. You attacked them without understanding that they belong here. It wasn't your fault that you didn't know, but there's wisdom in benefactor's criticism. ST is a weird place, and if you don't want to find yourself in random disputes like this, it helps to semi-lurk for a bit.

Hopefully, you'll take this as the mere explanation it is and not feel like I'm going at you. We can always use new blood on here, but expecting this to be like Reddick or RealGM would set you up for disappointment.

:toast

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[FireMicoHalili]

So he gets misdiagnosed and then these fuckers question his injury despite giving Leonard full control of his rehab.

People are so blind.
Screw all you want with the narrative. Take Jabari’s and Carter’s word for it. Tell me who’s not being selective when even Matt Tynan was saying Leonard didn’t want to suit up for games. Has anyone refuted Wright’s word?

What’s great is no one is taking your word for it anymore, you colossal moron. At least some people know how much of a fraud you are, pharm school dropout :lol every post of yours just exposes how much of a mental midget you are, but please, entertain us. Has the plane stopped by to refuel or is Kawhi still on that plane?

[Keepin' it real]

He traded yet?

[FireMicoHalili]

Spurstalk seems to breaking into 3 groups about kawhi
1. Fuck these shit offers, just keep him and if he walks he walks, at least we get capspace
2. Im sick of him and this situation, get his ass outta here for whatever
3. I failed pharmacy school and now i hope i get fucked in the ass by kawhi and his uncle
:lmao

[FireMicoHalili]

This is news to no one. How slow is the dial-up in Mexico? Tbh
Makes Pop look like an egregious liar in case he ships KL and his group elsewhere. Once trade news breaks, Leonard will go like “Pop broke my trust”. I hate that it’s turning into a PR battle of sorts, more so the fact this guy is blatantly acting as a mouthpiece for Leonard’s group of losers.

[Dverde]

I’m thinking the Jimmy Butler trade with the Clippers is more likely than the Raptors. I don’t think it would linger this long if they had an agreement.

[Mr. Body]

Makes Pop look like an egregious liar in case he ships KL and his group elsewhere. Once trade news breaks, Leonard will go like “Pop broke my trust”. I hate that it’s turning into a PR battle of sorts, more so the fact this guy is blatantly acting as a mouthpiece for Leonard’s group of losers.

Kawhi is going to lose any PR battle against Gregg Popovich. Kawhi already looks like an ingrate at this point, going up against a universally respected, all-time great coach like that would be bad mojo.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The more I think about the Toronto trade, the more I love it. If you treat it as a straight salary dump by TOR, a lot of things become clear.

A). This is the nightmare scenario for The Group. Toronto, by trading DD, and with Lowry expiring next summer, is indicating a rebuild, starting in 2019. They may not even be all that interested in re-signing him unless they make the Finals, an order of magnitude improvement. If The Group pulls any kind of shit, they will find themselves fielding only 4/$139m offers.

B) Because of the rebuild, there is no way that TOR entertains offers to flip Kawhitter this season to the LAL. The only realistic salary ballast is Deng, and he’s under contract until 2020. Toronto will want no part of that, having started the rebuild/cap clear ball rolling already by shipping out DD. All of those players who Magic so cleverly signed to one year deals would have to give their permission for a trade, and ohow many do you think want to go from LA to a crash and burn in Toronto? :lol. It’s almost like the “keep him and let him walk” scenario, except we get a young asset and a rental 20 point scorer for probably two seasons.

C). It’s cold, and far away from his family’s two bases of operations: LA and NJ.

Toronto is still a fantastic and extremely underrated city though

[FireMicoHalili]

Lol at spursfan thinking the spurs will ev3r get the upper hand
But what if they do? Will you come back to the Philippines to finish college?

[coachmac87]

Never seen someone put so much time and effort into a stupid schtick on ST. You need a hobby and some friends.

Lmao damn

[BD24]

Spurstalk seems to breaking into 3 groups about kawhi
1. Fuck these shit offers, just keep him and if he walks he walks, at least we get capspace
2. Im sick of him and this situation, get his ass outta here for whatever
3. I failed pharmacy school and now i hope i get fucked in the ass by kawhi and his uncle
Almost spit out my got damn coffee :lol

[Mr. Body]

Toronto is still a fantastic and extremely underrated city though

You think Kawhi is socially equipped to enjoy it?

[SupremeGuy]

:rolleyesIt's true. If Pop really believed half of the shit that comes out of his mouth, he wouldn't be treating Kawhi like a fucking slave that he can control. I can't wait to hear him bitch about the anthem rule this coming year after he treated a young black athlete like a goddamn slave.

[SpursDynasty85]

It's true. If Pop really believed half of the shit that comes out of his mouth, he wouldn't be treating Kawhi like a fucking slave that he can control. I can't wait to hear him bitch about the anthem rule this coming year after he treated a young black athlete like a goddamn slave.

Seriously. Why do you have to disrespect real slaves with this non sense?

[Spurs 4 The Win]

It's true. If Pop really believed half of the shit that comes out of his mouth, he wouldn't be treating Kawhi like a fucking slave that he can control. I can't wait to hear him bitch about the anthem rule this coming year after he treated a young black athlete like a goddamn slave.

I dont like Pop a whole lot but to sit here and act like that outspoken super liberal left wing man is racist is the dumbest shit I have ever heard. GTFO

[buttsR4rebounding]

The more I think about the Toronto trade, the more I love it. If you treat it as a straight salary dump by TOR, a lot of things become clear.

A). This is the nightmare scenario for The Group. Toronto, by trading DD, and with Lowry expiring next summer, is indicating a rebuild, starting in 2019. They may not even be all that interested in re-signing him unless they make the Finals, an order of magnitude improvement. If The Group pulls any kind of shit, they will find themselves fielding only 4/$139m offers.

B) Because of the rebuild, there is no way that TOR entertains offers to flip Kawhitter this season to the LAL. The only realistic salary ballast is Deng, and he’s under contract until 2020. Toronto will want no part of that, having started the rebuild/cap clear ball rolling already by shipping out DD. All of those players who Magic so cleverly signed to one year deals would have to give their permission for a trade, and ohow many do you think want to go from LA to a crash and burn in Toronto? :lol. It’s almost like the “keep him and let him walk” scenario, except we get a young asset and a rental 20 point scorer for probably two seasons.

C). It’s cold, and far away from his family’s two bases of operations: LA and NJ.

Not to mention Toronto is the most heavily taxed city in the NBA. 33% Federal plus 13% Ontario provincial plus a 56% surcharge on federal taxes over $5600. equates to roughly a 63% tax rate on the half of his salary earned in Canada. Who the hell would want to play there?

[Lostwingman]

Bs.

Paying someone doesnt mean you can just fuck off every agreement.

Micheal Wright the guy spurstalk loves so much said it himself. The Spurs gave Kawhi and his group full control of his injury.

If you're giving someone full control of their enjoy and when they can comeback, you dont question the findings just because its not the answer you want.

Thats why kawhi is frustrted. They said ok Kawhi comeback when you feel healthy. We belive in you but after a few months they started mocking him in national media.

Thats backstabbing
Truly spoken like someone who can't keep a job down or keep their life together.

Truly a valuable poster.

[FireMicoHalili]

Truly spoken like someone who can't keep a job down or keep their life together.

Truly a valuable poster.
I’m really not surprised he didn’t make it through pharmacy school at this point

[FireMicoHalili]

Seriously. Why do you have to disrespect real slaves with this non sense?
I don’t think he understands how contracts work

[ace3g]

If you are bored:

http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/FindKawhi/

[buttsR4rebounding]

If you are bored:

http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/FindKawhi/

Every time I tried to tap on Kawhi an Uncle Dennis head popped up and blocked me

[Dverde]

Toronto is still a fantastic and extremely underrated city though

I agree with you. If he can get that team to a Final, they’ll build him a statue right next to Drake. If you are talking about building a brand this would be better than Lebron in LA. Plus one of their logos is Klaw marks.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Toronto is still a fantastic and extremely underrated city though
Yes it is.....unless they have a polar vortex winter.

[Pavlov]

It's disgusting watching masta' Pop treat this young African American man as a slave. Where is your worldly liberalism Pop, you giant hypocritical piece of shit? You're were so proud when players kneeled and dishonored our flag and anthem, but now you wont grant this young man his freedom? You're worse than the NFL owners establishing a rule that requires the players to stand for the anthem, but I'm sure in a few months you'll be attacking that rule again. Fuck you.Cool meltdown, bro.

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It's true. If Pop really believed half of the shit that comes out of his mouth, he wouldn't be treating Kawhi like a fucking slave that he can control. I can't wait to hear him bitch about the anthem rule this coming year after he treated a young black athlete like a goddamn slave.

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Every time I tried to tap on Kawhi an Uncle Dennis head popped up and blocked me

:bang

[spurs10]

Well the good news is that slave salaries Rose to $19 million last year. That will pay for a lot of special consideration on the Underground Railroad.

[Ice009]

Not to mention Toronto is the most heavily taxed city in the NBA. 33% Federal plus 13% Ontario provincial plus a 56% surcharge on federal taxes over $5600. equates to roughly a 63% tax rate on the half of his salary earned in Canada. Who the hell would want to play there?

Are the tax rates really that high there? How much would Kawhi get taxed in just the regular season games from next year's salary if he were to play in Toronto next season?

[BatManu20]

It's true. If Pop really believed half of the shit that comes out of his mouth, he wouldn't be treating Kawhi like a fucking slave that he can control. I can't wait to hear him bitch about the anthem rule this coming year after he treated a young black athlete like a goddamn slave.

:rollinWait are you faggots seriously comparing this back-stabbing, two-faced, retarded mute crybaby, who's being paid millions of dollars by his employer, not being traded yet in a basketball league to actual slavery.?? The fuck? Y'all gotta be trolling or you guys are literally the dumbest, most ignorant motherfuckers on the planet :lmao

[FkLA]

It's disgusting watching masta' Pop treat this young African American man as a slave. Where is your worldly liberalism Pop, you giant hypocritical piece of shit? You're were so proud when players kneeled and dishonored our flag and anthem, but now you wont grant this young man his freedom? You're worse than the NFL owners establishing a rule that requires the players to stand for the anthem, but I'm sure in a few months you'll be attacking that rule again. Fuck you.

$20 million to fake an injury?


Sign my black ass up for slavery then. I'll take it!!!

[bklynspursfan]

:rollinWait are you faggots seriously comparing this back-stabbing, two-faced, retarded mute crybaby, who's being paid millions of dollars by his employer, not being traded yet in a basketball league to actual slavery.?? The fuck? Y'all gotta be trolling or you guys are literally the dumbest, most ignorant motherfuckers on the planet :lmao

Trumptard's don't have much common sense .

[BatManu20]

Wouldn’t be surprised if the Spurs are interested. They liked him coming out of the draft, IIRC.


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[FkLA]

:rollinWait are you faggots seriously comparing this back-stabbing, two-faced, retarded mute crybaby, who's being paid millions of dollars by his employer, not being traded yet in a basketball league to actual slavery.?? The fuck? Y'all gotta be trolling or you guys are literally the dumbest, most ignorant motherfuckers on the planet :lmao

:wow

Never seen my nigga BatManu20 be that offensive towards players or posters, tbh. Smh at what Kawhitter has done to even the good guys of this site.

[gambit1990]

so weird seeing the bulls shell out the kind of money that they have for lavine and parker. i guess they've gotten less cheap.

[RD2191]

Supreme trolling the shit out of y'all. :lol

[TheDoctor]

:wow

Never seen my nigga BatManu20 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=33095) be that offensive towards players or posters, tbh. Smh at what Kawhitter has done to even the good guys of this site.
lol he forgot to switch accounts tbh

[manufan10]

:lol delusional Laker fans on Twitter saying they should only offer Deng for Kawhi straight up. Smh

[Dex]

:lol delusional Laker fans on Twitter saying they should only offer Deng for Kawhi straight up. Smh

:lmao

"Well just lose him for nothing then!"

Ok, we will gladly take the $20M+ in cap space next summer to throw at another max FA over taking on the worst contract in the NBA and being strapped until 20/21.

I know California is a recreational state, but goddamn...

[spursistan]

:rollinWait are you faggots seriously comparing this back-stabbing, two-faced, retarded mute crybaby, who's being paid millions of dollars by his employer, not being traded yet in a basketball league to actual slavery.?? The fuck? Y'all gotta be trolling or you guys are literally the dumbest, most ignorant motherfuckers on the planet :lmao
:wow..

[spursistan]

Spurs fans are going HAM on Leonard with such nastiness is because they never expected this barefaced treachery and betrayal coming from him.

It still defies belief how wrong we were about this guy.

[superbigtime]

Spurs fans are going HAM on Leonard with such nastiness is because they never expected this barefaced treachery and betrayal coming from him.

It still defies belief how wrong we were about this guy.

Yep. More upsetting w each passing day.

[Old School 44]

I keep coming to ST waiting to see some sort of grand announcement! Is anybody from PATFO/Kawhi's Group even talking to each other or are they both playing chicken, waiting for someone to blink?

[Payote75]

Bene's grown surly over the years and tends to come off pretty abrasively with new posters, but his point is valid. Laker's fans like LkrFan (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=18824) and Killakobe81 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=10786) aren't trolls. They are members of this board who have put in years of service. They were here to trash talk when there was still an SA/LAL rivalry, and they stayed here through their team's recent string of terrible years. Some of them like DeadlyDynasty (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=15365) also contribute to the NFL Forum on here, and that's probably the closest thing we have to Prime SpursTalk nowadays. You attacked them without understanding that they belong here. It wasn't your fault that you didn't know, but there's wisdom in benefactor (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=13284)'s criticism. ST is a weird place, and if you don't want to find yourself in random disputes like this, it helps to semi-lurk for a bit.

Hopefully, you'll take this as the mere explanation it is and not feel like I'm going at you. We can always use new blood on here, but expecting this to be like Reddick or RealGM would set you up for disappointment.


nah man that explanation is much appreciated and totally understood I been on here for years but never joined cause I just would read and check for opinions, input, rumors and news. This whole kawitter thing just got me so annoyed that I had to let it out and your right I don't know everyone on here laker fans and all but as fans going through this its just some comments I saw that irked me even more like rubbing our nose in it. I'm okay with people being people but being jerks or bullies gets my goat. With all that being said the way you came across is awesome and I totally understand it when you put it like that so my apologies to anyone I offended fact is I am still learning about peeps on here but I guess I let my Spurs colored glasses get the best of me. Let's move on boys and just hope we can get this Leonard crap settled soon so we can focus on the team. Thanks brother!!!

[Payote75]

The more I think about the Toronto trade, the more I love it. If you treat it as a straight salary dump by TOR, a lot of things become clear.

A). This is the nightmare scenario for The Group. Toronto, by trading DD, and with Lowry expiring next summer, is indicating a rebuild, starting in 2019. They may not even be all that interested in re-signing him unless they make the Finals, an order of magnitude improvement. If The Group pulls any kind of shit, they will find themselves fielding only 4/$139m offers.

B) Because of the rebuild, there is no way that TOR entertains offers to flip Kawhitter this season to the LAL. The only realistic salary ballast is Deng, and he’s under contract until 2020. Toronto will want no part of that, having started the rebuild/cap clear ball rolling already by shipping out DD. All of those players who Magic so cleverly signed to one year deals would have to give their permission for a trade, and ohow many do you think want to go from LA to a crash and burn in Toronto? :lol. It’s almost like the “keep him and let him walk” scenario, except we get a young asset and a rental 20 point scorer for probably two seasons.

C). It’s cold, and far away from his family’s two bases of operations: LA and NJ.

i couldn't agree more and I don't hate the trade if what we hear is even close to what we are getting. Let alone I keep stressing if the Spurs had another trade up their sleeve to get kawitter to stay why wouldn't they still be able to pull that trade off assuming it's still on the table after trading him. Your looking at a very solid team if the Spurs pulled off raptor deal and then supposive/rumored deal if they play Spurs ball they have a shot against anyone if they are system friendly.

[RD2191]

Spurs fans are going HAM on Leonard with such nastiness is because they never expected this barefaced treachery and betrayal coming from him.

It still defies belief how wrong we were about this guy.

I was in denial. And I'm not talking about the river in Egypt.

[SupremeGuy]

Cool meltdown, bro.No argument, I see. That's good. You know it's the truth.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Are the tax rates really that high there? How much would Kawhi get taxed in just the regular season games from next year's salary if he were to play in Toronto next season?

On his salary in Toronto taxes will be almost $6 million as opposed to SA around half of that.

[spursistan]

I was in denial. And I'm not talking about the river in Egypt.
You are not alone. Anyone who is saying "I told you so" was trolling with an anti-Kawhi shtick (tholdren, playboban etc..).

Him being aloof and having no friends on the team wasn't a big surprise, but the most shocking part was, as it's been showing, his cold or non-existing relationship with Pop. I mean c'mon, the legendary coach who brought you up in this league has to go through your dumbass uncle to talk to you? Absolute madness.

Again, I remain skeptical about his mental state.

[TheGreatYacht]

Legendary coattail rider, tbh. As evident as of late.

[baseline bum]

so weird seeing the bulls shell out the kind of money that they have for lavine and parker. i guess they've gotten less cheap.

The Parker deal isn't so bad. They needed to pay out salary to get near the cap anyways, and the Bulls have a team option on the second year.

[Pavlov]

No argument, I see. That's good. You know it's the truth.What are you actually arguing?

[Fusternino]

The Parker deal isn't so bad. They needed to pay out salary to get near the cap anyways, and the Bulls have a team option on the second year.

Bulls would actually be a decent team to trade with given the MJ connection/big media market. Weaker connection than sending Kawhi to the Hornets but I bet there could still be an under the table Jordan brand deal that gets done if Kawhi agrees to re-sign. They have loads of assets.

[daslicer]

You are not alone. Anyone who is saying "I told you so" was trolling with anti-Kawhi shtick (tholdren, playboban etc..).

Him being aloof and having no friends on the team wasn't a big surprise, but the most shocking part was, as it's been showing, his cold or non-existing relationship with Pop. I mean c'mon, the legendary coach who brought you up in this league has to go through your dumbass uncle to talk to you? Absolute madness.

Again, I remain skeptical about his mental state.

I was one of the few who felt he was playing the Spurs from the beginning granted I don't feel good about being right. I don't think any real spurs fan who called this bs earlier gets any pleasure about being right. If anything I wished I was wrong about this shit from the beginning but it was hard for me to ignore the rumblings from his Uncle and I have a good friend whose a doctor that told me Kawhi's injury was a bunch of bs. Once I put those two things together I felt great betrayal from the retarded mute.

[BatManu20]

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[apalisoc_9]

Kawhi has said nothing but spursfan trying to paint him as the devil because they're inpatient.

[Mr. Body]

Kawhi has said nothing but spursfan trying to paint him as the devil because they're inpatient.

Inpatient? Like at the hospital?

[apalisoc_9]

Inpatient? Like at the hospital?

Typo.

[manufan10]

Kawhi has said nothing spursfan trying to paint him as the devil because they're inpatient.

And here lies the problem.

[AFBlue]

1018256042382196736

Soooo....nothing new. Got it.

[JPB]

1018256042382196736

Teams still trying to lowball RC who looks at them like :

https://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/video/teams/spurs/2014/06/27/140626bufordmov-3312539-4.576x324.jpg

https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/r-c.jpg?quality=90&w=650&h=360

[BackHome]

Only happy thing is that RC and Pop are sticking to their guns as long as they don't trade him to the Flakers it's all good.

[spurs10]

Only happy thing is that RC and Pop are sticking to their guns as long as they don't trade him to the Flakers it's all good. Yep the best thing about this summer is Pop and RC ain't wavering. I believe it would need to be a very sweet deal, with them clearly being the winners, before they'll flinch. Go RC and Pop! And.............
:flag:

[BatManu20]

A little loose with the handle there, DJ.

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[apalisoc_9]

I cant believe spursfans celebrate pettyness. I guess i shouldnt be surprised.

The real best thing to do is to trade kawhi and get something of value.

[Fusternino]

Saw this horrible trade that KrispyFlakes did on 2K and he tried to justify it . . .

Kawhi/Gasol for Lou/Danilo and the 12/13 picks. LOL? Listen to his justification . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzdXDmZgAGw

[Vic Petro]

A little loose with the handle there, DJ.

1018267533722337281

Hit that jumper though

[Mr. Body]

Saw this horrible trade that KrispyFlakes did on 2K and he tried to justify it . . .

Kawhi/Gasol for Lou/Danilo and the 12/13 picks. LOL? Listen to his justification . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzdXDmZgAGw

I don't think they're a trade with the Clippers that's not horrible.

[RD2191]

A little loose with the handle there, DJ.

1018267533722337281

Can't even get a 1st step on some bum. :lol

[Budkin]

I was in denial. And I'm not talking about the river in Egypt.

Same, it's tough when your favorite player on the team pulls this shit.

[SpursDynasty85]

I cant believe spursfans celebrate pettyness. I guess i shouldnt be surprised.

The real best thing to do is to trade kawhi and get something of value.

Lol. Idiot not realizing that is exactly what the Spurs are doing.

[SpursDynasty85]

A little loose with the handle there, DJ.

1018267533722337281

Yep. Still doesn't have the handles for pg nor can he stretch the floor. His game is more suited for a future 6th man role. He should finish games if his defense is needed.

[apalisoc_9]

You are not alone. Anyone who is saying "I told you so" was trolling with an anti-Kawhi shtick (tholdren, playboban etc..).

Him being aloof and having no friends on the team wasn't a big surprise, but the most shocking part was, as it's been showing, his cold or non-existing relationship with Pop. I mean c'mon, the legendary coach who brought you up in this league has to go through your dumbass uncle to talk to you? Absolute madness.

Again, I remain skeptical about his mental state.

All assumptions based on a very subjective and unverifiable source ( miceahl wright bar story)

[FireMicoHalili]

Kawhi has said nothing but spursfan trying to paint him as the devil because they're inpatient.
Pharm school dropout castigating spurs fans for being reasonable just to become edgy and contrarian in an Internet forum because he’s pathetic

[FireMicoHalili]

All assumptions based on a very subjective and unverifiable source ( miceahl wright bar story)
Because Chris Carter clearly isn’t subjective. Not like he has no ties to Leonard’s current agent right? Not like Kawhi’s mom and uncle weren’t on the payroll.

[Crazymaddopeyo]

Kawhi has said nothing but spursfan trying to paint him as the devil because they're inpatient.

Dont always agree, but totally right on this one. Maybe shit is true but every thing we know is from the media an most of the time they’re hungry for stories.

[Crazymaddopeyo]

I also don’t know about the “he hasn’t did anything” argument. I feel like Timmy would do the same.

[ace3g]

TheCrawsOver @thecrawsover
(https://twitter.com/thecrawsover) 1h (https://twitter.com/thecrawsover/status/1018277070747533312) @DejounteMurray (https://twitter.com/DejounteMurray/) leads Cityside Hoops/NFA with 31 pts, 11 rebs, 7 assists, @quese (https://twitter.com/quese/) 23 pts, 13 rebs, @spencerhawes00 (https://twitter.com/spencerhawes00/) adds 14 pts, 18 rebs and 6 assists in #TheCrawsOver (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23TheCrawsOver)

[apalisoc_9]

No handles Murray is trash.

You cant dominate as a PG with a loose handle in the NBA.

[tholdren]

No handles Murray is trash.

You cant dominate as a PG with a loose handle in the NBA.

Lol. Sure you can, nba allows carrying and traveling, you can have no skill and succeed in the nba. Fact

[apalisoc_9]

Lol. Sure you can, nba allows carrying and traveling, you can have no skill and succeed in the nba. Fact

Yo, think you can make it in the nba?

[Fusternino]

https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/comments/8yvwtg/the_athletic_if_we_feel_theres_somebody_out_there/e2e44oe/

LOL.

[Mr. Body]

https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/comments/8yvwtg/the_athletic_if_we_feel_theres_somebody_out_there/e2e44oe/

LOL.

Downvote, downvote, downvote, downvote.

[dabom]

Downvote, downvote, downvote, downvote.

We need to take deng they say. :lmao

[ace3g]

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[Mr. Body]

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His handles still suck.

[ceperez]

His handles still suck.

:-(

[gilmor2002]

I cant believe spursfans celebrate pettyness. I guess i shouldnt be surprised.

The real best thing to do is to trade kawhi and get something of value.

Guess you are not a spurs fan..

so gtfo..

[Ice009]

Kawhi has said nothing but spursfan trying to paint him as the devil because they're inpatient.

So the Spurs aren't even close to a fucking deal and you've been saying it's done for over a week. How about you just leave now. We don't need or want you here anymore. Take the hint.

Make your exit a "done deal."


On his salary in Toronto taxes will be almost $6 million as opposed to SA around half of that.

Thanks. That would be the perfect place to send him then, financially speaking ;). Also, if that is the case in regard to tax, how are the Raptors able to get players to play there?

[palangi]

Can't even get a 1st step on some bum. :lol

I think you would be surprised that there are athletic people not in the NBA. Shocking right?

[RD2191]

I think you would be surprised that there are athletic people not in the NBA. Shocking right?

He's an NBA player though, he should've dropped 60 on these bums.

[Chinook]

Raptors fan on RealGM thinks this is a fair deal: http://tradenba.com/trades/B1-vAE_QX

[ducks]

Lol

[CGD]

Raptors fan on RealGM thinks this is a fair deal: http://tradenba.com/trades/B1-vAE_QX

Need to include OG

[Chinook]

Need to include OG

AND take out Powell, AND add Mills.

[Trainwreck2100]

Raptors fan on RealGM thinks this is a fair deal: http://tradenba.com/trades/B1-vAE_QX

i've seen worse dumbass trades posted here, not necessarily about kawhi, but pipedreams that make no sense

[Dverde]

Can Murrey be converted to SG? Leaves Patty and White for PG.

[BatManu20]

Raptors fan on RealGM thinks this is a fair deal: http://tradenba.com/trades/B1-vAE_QX


:lol

[BatManu20]

Can Murrey be converted to SG? Leaves Patty and White for PG.

No.

[BatManu20]

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[palangi]

He's an NBA player though, he should've dropped 60 on these bums.

Not necessarily. It's not like it was a locked in with reffing.

[BatManu20]

Lord Furkan with the GW.

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[manufan10]

1017823453762801665

1018366781939838976

:lol

[Lostwingman]

I cant believe spursfans celebrate pettyness. I guess i shouldnt be surprised.

The real best thing to do is to trade kawhi and get something of value.

You're not qualified to give advice on buying dish soap.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Can Murrey be converted to SG? Leaves Patty and White for PG.

God no, his shooting is beyond atrocious

[Dverde]

I more meant Murray play the secondary guard, not taking jump shots all the time. He is one of the bigger guards at 6’5. Pair him with a shooting PG like Patty or Forbes. I am concerned with his handles with those long arms, always felt the same with George Hill.

[dabom]

I more meant Murray play the secondary guard, not taking jump shots all the time. He is one of the bigger guards at 6’5. Pair him with a shooting PG like Patty or Forbes. I am concerned with his handles with those long arms, always felt the same with George Hill.

You dont get better hiding his flaws. He needs to carry the rock longer.

[John B]

Can Murrey be converted to SG? Leaves Patty and White for PG.
SG = Shooting Guard. The guy can’t shoot. When he learns to consistently knockdown shots, he’d be best at 3D and start White at PG. Hopefully Walker can play 2, with Gay and LMA at 4 and 5.

[playbonner15]

His handles still suck.
Sigh

[cd021]

Need to include OG

Kawhi and Gasol for O.G., DeRozen, Poeltl, 2020 1st round pick


Murray-Mills-White-Forbes
DeRozen-Belinelli-Walker
O.G-Green
Bertans-Gay
Aldridge-Poeltl-Milutinov?

[Play Boban]

I’m sick of the rumors. I want real news.

[BatManu20]

Patty and Rudy are partying together in Miami tonight, per Patty’s IG story.

[Seventyniner]

SG = Shooting Guard. The guy can’t shoot. When he learns to consistently knockdown shots, he’d be best at 3D and start White at PG. Hopefully Walker can play 2, with Gay and LMA at 4 and 5.

Andre Roberson and Tony Allen are good examples of effective SGs that can't shoot.

[tbdog]

Patty and Rudy are partying together in Miami tonight, per Patty’s IG story.

Patty's social media account suggest he isn't trying to come into the season in shape. :(

[tbdog]

Andre Roberson and Tony Allen are good examples of effective SGs that can't shoot.

Their ceiling was never exactly high. Murray can do better. learning to play point is not a bad thing. He can also use those new skills as an off guard.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I’m sick of the rumors. I want real news.

2 Dead in Walmart Shooting!

[MoSpur02]

Update:
The Spurs had a deal in place with the Raptors. That deal fell through because of concerns the Raptors had about Kawhi's health. It still could happen, but as of now it's not going to happen.

The Spurs have had talks with the Clippers and Phoenix Suns about a deal for Kawhi.

[Spurs Brazil]

Off Topic: David Robinson, Part 2 - https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Off-Topic-David-Robinson-Part-2-13075559.php

Speaking of players and teams, the situation with Kawhi Leonard is the biggest NBA mystery at this point. Did you try and intervene? I’m sure the Spurs are hoping to save the relationship.

Yeah, I’m still hoping. I think it’s frustrating from one point because we’ve had this great success. We’ve built on this for so many years, and it seems like a natural progression. You go from me to Tim Duncan, to Kawhi Leonard. It just seems like it made sense. But clearly, it doesn’t make sense to somebody. So, it is frustrating at a certain level, but at the same time, you can’t expect everybody to think in the same way. I remember when Tim Duncan was thinking about leaving San Antonio. It’s simple man, just come and have a conversation. Let’s sit down and talk. And we sat down and talked. I said, “Tim, why would you leave a situation where you have a championship level team; you’re going to win more championships, and go to a situation where you hope to put together a group that can win championships. That doesn’t make any sense.” And in this particular situation, you’re going to take less money now to do that? That doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. I don’t understand the logic. It seems like a simple conversation would be able to bring some simple logic to the guy. And say, “Look man. Let’s think this through. Does it even make sense to anybody?” Why do you think everybody is wondering what the heck is going on? You have that kind of a conversation face-to-face, it seems like you can figure it out. But I think that’s why everyone is baffled because nothing makes sense about this whole scenario. Here is a franchise that spent 25 years and has a reputation for taking care of players. Not just the star players, I’m talking about the Cory Joseph’s, the Boban Marjanovic’s. The guys that have come in here and gotten contracts other places. Jonathon Simmons. We’ve nurtured these guys. We’ve haven’t been mad at them when they had other opportunities. They go and take those other opportunities. That’s their blessing. We send coaches out there who have other opportunities. I mean they have a long track record of actually supporting guys. Now, why would you fight that and turn the team into the enemy? That doesn’t make sense. So, a lot of things about this don’t make sense. It seems like simple conversations could really solve some of the problems. But to this day, I don’t hear him talking. I mean, who is saying all this stuff. If it’s you, speak up. If it’s you, step forward and be the man. You’re the face franchise. I don’t want to hear about anybody else in your party. I want to hear from you.

[exstatic]

Update:
The Spurs had a deal in place with the Raptors. That deal fell through because of concerns the Raptors had about Kawhi's health. It still could happen, but as of now it's not going to happen.

The Spurs have had talks with the Clippers and Phoenix Suns about a deal for Kawhi.

Trade his ass to Sacramento for three cow bells and a second rounder.

[baseline bum]

Trade his ass to Sacramento for three cow bells and a second rounder.

Nah man, it's to the point where you just tell him to report to camp. I'm pissed this faggot killed the Toronto trade with his press release crap. It's time to just suspend him for the season if he shows and if he doesn't force him into retirement for the year.

[BillMc]

Nah man, it's to the point where you just tell him to report to camp. I'm pissed this faggot killed the Toronto trade with his press release crap. It's time to just suspend him for the season if he shows and if he doesn't force him into retirement for the year.

I've been out of the loop this last week. What press release did KL and the Groupies release?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Nah man, it's to the point where you just tell him to report to camp. I'm pissed this faggot killed the Toronto trade with his press release crap. It's time to just suspend him for the season if he shows and if he doesn't force him into retirement for the year.

Agreed :tu

[Chinook]

Nah man, it's to the point where you just tell him to report to camp. I'm pissed this faggot killed the Toronto trade with his press release crap. It's time to just suspend him for the season if he shows and if he doesn't force him into retirement for the year.

:lol He didn't kill shit. Toronto knew he was going to be a rental, and they also knew that Leonard wasn't going to just not show up. The trade didn't go down because SA didn't like what they offered enough to pull the trigger, just like every other trade.

[Chinook]

I've been out of the loop this last week. What press release did KL and the Groupies release?

Pretty sure he's talking about Chris Carter saying Leonard's no interested in being a rental.

[absoloot66]

Update:
The Spurs had a deal in place with the Raptors. That deal fell through because of concerns the Raptors had about Kawhi's health. It still could happen, but as of now it's not going to happen.

The Spurs have had talks with the Clippers and Phoenix Suns about a deal for Kawhi.

Seems like the health issue would be the main factor delaying/killing any deal regarding Kawhi. Nothing can/will happen until that concern is addressed. Hardly makes sense to have any meaningful discussions until it is.

[baseline bum]

I've been out of the loop this last week. What press release did KL and the Groupies release?

When the talk of a deal with Toronto started heating up Cris Carter on Fox Sports said nothing had changed and that Leonard would only go to LA, and Carter said Leonard either should have or wanted to (I forget which) issue a press release saying he'd only go to LA.

[acoelho1]

The whole health issue would be resolved by bringing Kawhi into camp and having him play some preseason games. I think teams would be more open to a trade after seeing him in action. Whether you trade him now or later, you must exhaust all possibilities. Maybe as we get closer to training camp, he would agree to go to Philly in order to avoid the circus that would come with being back with the Spurs.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Off Topic: David Robinson, Part 2 - https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Off-Topic-David-Robinson-Part-2-13075559.php

Speaking of players and teams, the situation with Kawhi Leonard is the biggest NBA mystery at this point. Did you try and intervene? I’m sure the Spurs are hoping to save the relationship.

Yeah, I’m still hoping. I think it’s frustrating from one point because we’ve had this great success. We’ve built on this for so many years, and it seems like a natural progression. You go from me to Tim Duncan, to Kawhi Leonard. It just seems like it made sense. But clearly, it doesn’t make sense to somebody. So, it is frustrating at a certain level, but at the same time, you can’t expect everybody to think in the same way. I remember when Tim Duncan was thinking about leaving San Antonio. It’s simple man, just come and have a conversation. Let’s sit down and talk. And we sat down and talked. I said, “Tim, why would you leave a situation where you have a championship level team; you’re going to win more championships, and go to a situation where you hope to put together a group that can win championships. That doesn’t make any sense.” And in this particular situation, you’re going to take less money now to do that? That doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. I don’t understand the logic. It seems like a simple conversation would be able to bring some simple logic to the guy. And say, “Look man. Let’s think this through. Does it even make sense to anybody?” Why do you think everybody is wondering what the heck is going on? You have that kind of a conversation face-to-face, it seems like you can figure it out. But I think that’s why everyone is baffled because nothing makes sense about this whole scenario. Here is a franchise that spent 25 years and has a reputation for taking care of players. Not just the star players, I’m talking about the Cory Joseph’s, the Boban Marjanovic’s. The guys that have come in here and gotten contracts other places. Jonathon Simmons. We’ve nurtured these guys. We’ve haven’t been mad at them when they had other opportunities. They go and take those other opportunities. That’s their blessing. We send coaches out there who have other opportunities. I mean they have a long track record of actually supporting guys. Now, why would you fight that and turn the team into the enemy? That doesn’t make sense. So, a lot of things about this don’t make sense. It seems like simple conversations could really solve some of the problems. But to this day, I don’t hear him talking. I mean, who is saying all this stuff. If it’s you, speak up. If it’s you, step forward and be the man. You’re the face franchise. I don’t want to hear about anybody else in your party. I want to hear from you.

Admire the Admiral for laying it out so simply. If only Kawhi listens to some simple and sage advice than the poisonous whispers he is hearing from his "Group"

[BillMc]

Pretty sure he's talking about Chris Carter saying Leonard's no interested in being a rental.



When the talk of a deal with Toronto started heating up Cris Carter on Fox Sports said nothing had changed and that Leonard would only go to LA, and Carter said Leonard either should have or wanted to (I forget which) issue a press release saying he'd only go to LA.

Thanks guys.

I don't care if KL is interested in being a rental or not, if its the best deal he'll be shipped somewhere other than LA. And if he chooses not to sign there he'll then have been a rental. Obviously, that depresses the market for him. But screw it, he still is under contract and he'll have to play for whomever holds that contract whether that's the Spurs or a trade partner. Dare him to sit out another year.

[FireMicoHalili]

:lol He didn't kill shit. Toronto knew he was going to be a rental, and they also knew that Leonard wasn't going to just not show up. The trade didn't go down because SA didn't like what they offered enough to pull the trigger, just like every other trade.
Reports say Spurs keep losing ‘leverage’ by the day, any thoughts on their time frame?

[barbacoataco]

I think the truth is no one knows if he can actually play. Teams don't want to trade for him because of all the uncertainty.

[Chinook]

Reports say Spurs keep losing ‘leverage’ by the day, any thoughts on their time frame?

I think the idea that SA cares about "leverage" is idiotic. They aren't trying to force anyone to trade for him. They are trying to keep Leonard. They don't care who is offering what or who threatens to walk away. Until they decide they definitely intend to trade him, they aren't going to seriously consider offers. That shouldn't be at least until tomorrow when Kawhi can formally reject an extension offer, but it could easily by months from now after having a chance to let things settle a bit more.

[cd021]

Update:
The Spurs had a deal in place with the Raptors. That deal fell through because of concerns the Raptors had about Kawhi's health. It still could happen, but as of now it's not going to happen.

The Spurs have had talks with the Clippers and Phoenix Suns about a deal for Kawhi.
Do you have links? I haven't seen that.

[PICK-N-ROLL]

We have no leaders on this team. No one wants to go out of their way to reach out to Kawh and I don’t mean going through the media. I understand that we have only had quiet leaders. We seem to have lost so much with the TD retirement besides level of competition. LA wants to be liked. He needs to step up regardless of his role if Kawhi comes back. Bunch of No-Balls players on the team.

[picnroll]

Screw the bitch. Honor the contract you signed or rot in SA on injured reserve doing Spurs supervise rehab for a year.

[AFBlue]

Reports say Spurs keep losing ‘leverage’ by the day, any thoughts on their time frame?

Losing leverage by the day is a fallacy. Leverage only changes based on events. As an example, when Team USA holds a 2-day mini camp on July 25th, Leonard's presence (or not) will be a big story. After that, we'll probably have to wait to see how training camp shakes out.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

We have no leaders on this team. No one wants to go out of their way to reach out to Kawh and I don’t mean going through the media. I understand that we have only had quiet leaders. We seem to have lost so much with the TD retirement besides level of competition. LA wants to be liked. He needs to step up regardless of his role if Kawhi comes back. Bunch of No-Balls players on the team.

You really think no one tried last year? Come on.

[Dverde]

We need leaders to talk our leader into coming back to be our leader. I’m fairly certain he has a new phone number only known by his family and inner circle.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Not enough has been said on how Kawhi is killing his own career. By A, being willing to sit out, B saying LA or nothing, and C saying he doesn’t want to be a one year rental, Kawhi’s camp is ruining his career piece by piece. If we take what his camp is supposedly saying as truth (and at this point that’s all we have to go on), Kawhi is driving down his own value next summer. If the Spurs don’t trade him, he holds out, and the Spurs then let him walk next summer, he’ll have basically lost two full seasons of the prime of his career and he’ll only have 2 teams, rather than 30, bidding for his services.

Kawhi’s camp can be thankful for the Clippers because Magic is shrewd enough that Kawhi probably wouldn’t sniff $20m per season much less a max deal under that scenario. As it is, the Clips will want him badly enough to pay him, but if he comes back and confirms he doesn’t want to be LeBron’s bitch, then the Clipppers will have full control. Even if his camp recants their stance on where he’ll play, he’ll still have put doubt in most of the league about whether he’s worth the risk. High risk and problem players usually don’t convert to max deals. Who knows if he’ll be healthy, what his mental state is, is Uncle Dennis going to hinder incessantly, etc. Not max money, and not the character guy that commands big endorsement deals.

If Kawhi doesn’t play this year, and play well, he’s screwed far worse than the Spurs will be.

[JPB]

Off Topic: David Robinson, Part 2 - https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Off-Topic-David-Robinson-Part-2-13075559.php

Speaking of players and teams, the situation with Kawhi Leonard is the biggest NBA mystery at this point. Did you try and intervene? I’m sure the Spurs are hoping to save the relationship.

Yeah, I’m still hoping. I think it’s frustrating from one point because we’ve had this great success. We’ve built on this for so many years, and it seems like a natural progression. You go from me to Tim Duncan, to Kawhi Leonard. It just seems like it made sense. But clearly, it doesn’t make sense to somebody. So, it is frustrating at a certain level, but at the same time, you can’t expect everybody to think in the same way. I remember when Tim Duncan was thinking about leaving San Antonio. It’s simple man, just come and have a conversation. Let’s sit down and talk. And we sat down and talked. I said, “Tim, why would you leave a situation where you have a championship level team; you’re going to win more championships, and go to a situation where you hope to put together a group that can win championships. That doesn’t make any sense.” And in this particular situation, you’re going to take less money now to do that? That doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. I don’t understand the logic. It seems like a simple conversation would be able to bring some simple logic to the guy. And say, “Look man. Let’s think this through. Does it even make sense to anybody?” Why do you think everybody is wondering what the heck is going on? You have that kind of a conversation face-to-face, it seems like you can figure it out. But I think that’s why everyone is baffled because nothing makes sense about this whole scenario. Here is a franchise that spent 25 years and has a reputation for taking care of players. Not just the star players, I’m talking about the Cory Joseph’s, the Boban Marjanovic’s. The guys that have come in here and gotten contracts other places. Jonathon Simmons. We’ve nurtured these guys. We’ve haven’t been mad at them when they had other opportunities. They go and take those other opportunities. That’s their blessing. We send coaches out there who have other opportunities. I mean they have a long track record of actually supporting guys. Now, why would you fight that and turn the team into the enemy? That doesn’t make sense. So, a lot of things about this don’t make sense. It seems like simple conversations could really solve some of the problems. But to this day, I don’t hear him talking. I mean, who is saying all this stuff. If it’s you, speak up. If it’s you, step forward and be the man. You’re the face franchise. I don’t want to hear about anybody else in your party. I want to hear from you.

If you don't feel like a spurs fan after reading this, you never will.

Any person who wants to know what fans mean by "spurs culture" should read this. How many people here could have written every word of this ? I know I do.

David is a spurs at heart and the definition of franchise player. Seeing Leonard and the group threaten and despise what he initiated and built must be painful for him.

This is why it's more than just a disgruntled player wanted to be traded in this drama now. This about THE SPURS.

Respect David.

[Keepin' it real]

I’m sick of the rumors. I want real news.

:cry

[offset formation]

SG = Shooting Guard. The guy can’t shoot. When he learns to consistently knockdown shots, he’d be best at 3D and start White at PG. Hopefully Walker can play 2, with Gay and LMA at 4 and 5.

Yep. Which would give the Spurs LOTS of options for mismatches.

[cd98]

Not enough has been said on how Kawhi is killing his own career. By A, being willing to sit out, B saying LA or nothing, and C saying he doesn’t want to be a one year rental, Kawhi’s camp is ruining his career piece by piece. If we take what his camp is supposedly saying as truth (and at this point that’s all we have to go on), Kawhi is driving down his own value next summer. If the Spurs don’t trade him, he holds out, and the Spurs then let him walk next summer, he’ll have basically lost two full seasons of the prime of his career and he’ll only have 2 teams, rather than 30, bidding for his services.

Kawhi’s camp can be thankful for the Clippers because Magic is shrewd enough that Kawhi probably wouldn’t sniff $20m per season much less a max deal under that scenario. As it is, the Clips will want him badly enough to pay him, but if he comes back and confirms he doesn’t want to be LeBron’s bitch, then the Clipppers will have full control. Even if his camp recants their stance on where he’ll play, he’ll still have put doubt in most of the league about whether he’s worth the risk. High risk and problem players usually don’t convert to max deals. Who knows if he’ll be healthy, what his mental state is, is Uncle Dennis going to hinder incessantly, etc. Not max money, and not the character guy that commands big endorsement deals.

If Kawhi doesn’t play this year, and play well, he’s screwed far worse than the Spurs will be.

The problem is that he isn't really killing his career. Every team in the league still wants him, they just won't trade anything of value for him because he is a one year rental. And next offseason, if he has an all-star level year, every team will be willing to give him the max. Sure, they may think he's a little bit of a head case, but everyone will think if they just give him everything he wants and shower his uncle with praise, that he will be fine. The only bridge he appears to have burned is the one with the Spurs organization. Maybe, if he keeps the attitude up, he'll have a hard time signing a contract when he's no longer an all star. But that's years away or at least a big injury away from now. Even from a marketing perspective, if he goes somewhere and wins a title, like LA, or even just competes in the latter stages of the playoffs with Lebron, he'll get plenty of love and most of the pundits and general fans will forgive and forget. The only franchise that is hurt is the Spurs because they lose a player of value for nothing or less than what he is worth.

It's sad, but that's the way it works, which is why Kawhi's people are doing what they are doing. They take a little heat right now, but people in general have short attention spans.

[offset formation]

Off Topic: David Robinson, Part 2 - https://www.expressnews.com/spurs-nation/article/Off-Topic-David-Robinson-Part-2-13075559.php

Speaking of players and teams, the situation with Kawhi Leonard is the biggest NBA mystery at this point. Did you try and intervene? I’m sure the Spurs are hoping to save the relationship.

Yeah, I’m still hoping. I think it’s frustrating from one point because we’ve had this great success. We’ve built on this for so many years, and it seems like a natural progression. You go from me to Tim Duncan, to Kawhi Leonard. It just seems like it made sense. But clearly, it doesn’t make sense to somebody. So, it is frustrating at a certain level, but at the same time, you can’t expect everybody to think in the same way. I remember when Tim Duncan was thinking about leaving San Antonio. It’s simple man, just come and have a conversation. Let’s sit down and talk. And we sat down and talked. I said, “Tim, why would you leave a situation where you have a championship level team; you’re going to win more championships, and go to a situation where you hope to put together a group that can win championships. That doesn’t make any sense.” And in this particular situation, you’re going to take less money now to do that? That doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. I don’t understand the logic. It seems like a simple conversation would be able to bring some simple logic to the guy. And say, “Look man. Let’s think this through. Does it even make sense to anybody?” Why do you think everybody is wondering what the heck is going on? You have that kind of a conversation face-to-face, it seems like you can figure it out. But I think that’s why everyone is baffled because nothing makes sense about this whole scenario. Here is a franchise that spent 25 years and has a reputation for taking care of players. Not just the star players, I’m talking about the Cory Joseph’s, the Boban Marjanovic’s. The guys that have come in here and gotten contracts other places. Jonathon Simmons. We’ve nurtured these guys. We’ve haven’t been mad at them when they had other opportunities. They go and take those other opportunities. That’s their blessing. We send coaches out there who have other opportunities. I mean they have a long track record of actually supporting guys. Now, why would you fight that and turn the team into the enemy? That doesn’t make sense. So, a lot of things about this don’t make sense. It seems like simple conversations could really solve some of the problems. But to this day, I don’t hear him talking. I mean, who is saying all this stuff. If it’s you, speak up. If it’s you, step forward and be the man. You’re the face franchise. I don’t want to hear about anybody else in your party. I want to hear from you.

Boom. Be the fucking man.

[Vic Petro]

The problem is that he isn't really killing his career. Every team in the league still wants him, they just won't trade anything of value for him because he is a one year rental. And next offseason, if he has an all-star level year, every team will be willing to give him the max. Sure, they may think he's a little bit of a head case, but everyone will think if they just give him everything he wants and shower his uncle with praise, that he will be fine. The only bridge he appears to have burned is the one with the Spurs organization. Maybe, if he keeps the attitude up, he'll have a hard time signing a contract when he's no longer an all star. But that's years away or at least a big injury away from now. Even from a marketing perspective, if he goes somewhere and wins a title, like LA, or even just competes in the latter stages of the playoffs with Lebron, he'll get plenty of love and most of the pundits and general fans will forgive and forget. The only franchise that is hurt is the Spurs because they lose a player of value for nothing or less than what he is worth.

It's sad, but that's the way it works, which is why Kawhi's people are doing what they are doing. They take a little heat right now, but people in general have short attention spans.

The question is if the Spurs try to force him to play. He has to play and play well. If he chooses not to show up or fake an injury to sit the year, he won’t get a max offer from anyone after being away from the game for 2 seasons.

[Dverde]

The question is if the Spurs try to force him to play. He has to play and play well. If he chooses not to show up or fake an injury to sit the year, he won’t get a max offer from anyone after being away from the game for 2 seasons.

You underestimate the league. He’ll probably still get a max deal. Cue Knicks, Magic, Hawks, Kings.

[FireMicoHalili]

I think the idea that SA cares about "leverage" is idiotic. They aren't trying to force anyone to trade for him. They are trying to keep Leonard. They don't care who is offering what or who threatens to walk away. Until they decide they definitely intend to trade him, they aren't going to seriously consider offers. That shouldn't be at least until tomorrow when Kawhi can formally reject an extension offer, but it could easily by months from now after having a chance to let things settle a bit more.
Appreciate the input, chief, thanks. I tried to think about the deadlines the front office may have had in mind and guessed the July 16 extension deadline and next year’s trade deadline would at least be key dates in their timeline. Leonard’s trade value - should he be dealt into the season - would probably be extremely low compared to what it is now unless he signs an extension. The Lakers tried to capitalize early on but were unsuccessful. Is there a chance they strike a deal with Leonard to extend him and then deal him away afterwards?

[dbestpro]

You underestimate the league. He’ll probably still get a max deal. Cue Knicks, Magic, Hawks, Kings.

Seems a lot of this was about getting a better shoe deal, which they have totally destroyed. To sell shoes you have to be a salesman. He just wants to sign the contract and get 20 mil a year. If anything, his antics will lower his value in merchandising. He really needs a good PR manager badly.

[sasaint]

You underestimate the league. He’ll probably still get a max deal. Cue Knicks, Magic, Hawks, Kings.

I tend to believe that is true. However, the difference between what he can sign for in SA and the max he can get after next season is still huge.

[Mr. Body]

Seems a lot of this was about getting a better shoe deal, which they have totally destroyed. To sell shoes you have to be a salesman. He just wants to sign the contract and get 20 mil a year. If anything, his antics will lower his value in merchandising. He really needs a good PR manager badly.

Yeah. He needs to be present, period. The fact that he's hidden away and can't even be bothered to speak right now is hurting him badly. Who does this?

[BackHome]

Yeah but the deal that no one is talking about is his group will only be making money off his old contract. Meaning the bulk of money that his agency "Chris Carter and Uncle Fester" will not be making money off endorsements and shoe deals because no one is going to touch him next year if he sits out.

So his group is under the gun to make money for staff and investors and attract new players but if he plays next year and tears his knee up or Zaza breaks his ankle then what? But if he sits out the Spurs will keep him out all season and like I said no one will sign any marketing deals with him so no money.

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[Pavlov]

I cant believe spursfans celebrate pettyness. I guess i shouldnt be surprised.

The real best thing to do is to trade kawhi and get something of value.You said a trade was already a done deal.

What happened?

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You said a trade was already a done deal.

What happened?

Plane crash?

[BatManu20]

I don’t buy for a second that the Spurs had a trade lined up with Toronto, but the Raps suddenly pulled out last minute because of health concerns. They would have had the same exact health concerns the entire time. As if they just forgot that he was injured? Or suddenly it mattered? :lol

Pretty sure Spurs are taking their time because they want to try and repair the relationship before they do anything. Once you trade your franchise player, there’s no turning back. They want to make absolute sure it is the only avenue to take. Waiting until after Team USA minicamp make the most sense, unless Kawhi decides to no-show.

[ginobilized]

Not enough has been said on how Kawhi is killing his own career. By A, being willing to sit out, B saying LA or nothing, and C saying he doesn’t want to be a one year rental, Kawhi’s camp is ruining his career piece by piece. If we take what his camp is supposedly saying as truth (and at this point that’s all we have to go on), Kawhi is driving down his own value next summer. If the Spurs don’t trade him, he holds out, and the Spurs then let him walk next summer, he’ll have basically lost two full seasons of the prime of his career and he’ll only have 2 teams, rather than 30, bidding for his services.

Kawhi’s camp can be thankful for the Clippers because Magic is shrewd enough that Kawhi probably wouldn’t sniff $20m per season much less a max deal under that scenario. As it is, the Clips will want him badly enough to pay him, but if he comes back and confirms he doesn’t want to be LeBron’s bitch, then the Clipppers will have full control. Even if his camp recants their stance on where he’ll play, he’ll still have put doubt in most of the league about whether he’s worth the risk. High risk and problem players usually don’t convert to max deals. Who knows if he’ll be healthy, what his mental state is, is Uncle Dennis going to hinder incessantly, etc. Not max money, and not the character guy that commands big endorsement deals.

If Kawhi doesn’t play this year, and play well, he’s screwed far worse than the Spurs will be.

Well said. In a world ruled by logic and practicality, this would be true. Not sure what dark world Kawhi is inhabiting.
What a waste this could turn out to be. Hopefully, PATFO can salvage something redemptive here. It’s starting to feel like
a David Lynch movie and Kawhi has gotten lost in the Black Lodge. He must be very confused.

The Spurs will be fine however this turns out. Kawhi? Not so sure.

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That sounds like the offers are better than the narrative the press has been pushing.

[DPG21920]

I cant believe spursfans celebrate pettyness. I guess i shouldnt be surprised.

The real best thing to do is to trade kawhi and get something of value.

Kawhi is the one under obligation to help find a palatable deal. He’s failing himself.

[spurs10]

Not enough has been said on how Kawhi is killing his own career. By A, being willing to sit out, B saying LA or nothing, and C saying he doesn’t want to be a one year rental, Kawhi’s camp is ruining his career piece by piece. If we take what his camp is supposedly saying as truth (and at this point that’s all we have to go on), Kawhi is driving down his own value next summer. If the Spurs don’t trade him, he holds out, and the Spurs then let him walk next summer, he’ll have basically lost two full seasons of the prime of his career and he’ll only have 2 teams, rather than 30, bidding for his services.

Kawhi’s camp can be thankful for the Clippers because Magic is shrewd enough that Kawhi probably wouldn’t sniff $20m per season much less a max deal under that scenario. As it is, the Clips will want him badly enough to pay him, but if he comes back and confirms he doesn’t want to be LeBron’s bitch, then the Clipppers will have full control. Even if his camp recants their stance on where he’ll play, he’ll still have put doubt in most of the league about whether he’s worth the risk. High risk and problem players usually don’t convert to max deals. Who knows if he’ll be healthy, what his mental state is, is Uncle Dennis going to hinder incessantly, etc. Not max money, and not the character guy that commands big endorsement deals.

If Kawhi doesn’t play this year, and play well, he’s screwed far worse than the Spurs will be. He certainly hasn't done his image any good, as the Spurs have a well earned reputation of erring on the side of caution with their players and treating them very well. I however don't believe he has any other option than to play well for us this year and in the process mend some fences and see if he can once again be offered the $219 million dollar max. Sitting out another season will get him suspended without pay and possibly sued. He owes us mighty big for the $19 million or more we paid for his rehab last season.

[Birn]

Not enough has been said on how Kawhi is killing his own career. By A, being willing to sit out, B saying LA or nothing, and C saying he doesn’t want to be a one year rental, Kawhi’s camp is ruining his career piece by piece. If we take what his camp is supposedly saying as truth (and at this point that’s all we have to go on), Kawhi is driving down his own value next summer. If the Spurs don’t trade him, he holds out, and the Spurs then let him walk next summer, he’ll have basically lost two full seasons of the prime of his career and he’ll only have 2 teams, rather than 30, bidding for his services.

Kawhi’s camp can be thankful for the Clippers because Magic is shrewd enough that Kawhi probably wouldn’t sniff $20m per season much less a max deal under that scenario. As it is, the Clips will want him badly enough to pay him, but if he comes back and confirms he doesn’t want to be LeBron’s bitch, then the Clipppers will have full control. Even if his camp recants their stance on where he’ll play, he’ll still have put doubt in most of the league about whether he’s worth the risk. High risk and problem players usually don’t convert to max deals. Who knows if he’ll be healthy, what his mental state is, is Uncle Dennis going to hinder incessantly, etc. Not max money, and not the character guy that commands big endorsement deals.

If Kawhi doesn’t play this year, and play well, he’s screwed far worse than the Spurs will be.

This. Great post.

Kawhi and his group need to appreciate the fact that superstar players only have a window of 2-3 years where they remain in their peak prime. The exceptions would be the Jordans, Birds, Magics, Duncan, Robinson and Lebrons of the world. He's still a top 5 player in the league but without playing a full season and so much uncertainty about his injury, teams are going to be reluctant to pay him what he thinks he's worth. Including the Spurs. I believe the Spurs would like to keep him but before committing over $200 million they just want to see him work out and determine if he's truly healthy enough to perform at the elite level he was before last season. My hope is that when Pop and Kawhi get together this month for Team USA workouts he can finally show that he's healthy and ready to play at an elite level. If his performance can convince Pop that he's in great shape, maybe that's when Pop can extend the supermax. If Kawhi turns it down then we make whatever trade is available. Forget about leverage. The Spurs want to keep him and I don't believe they will trade him until they've offered the supermax. If he's not in great shape or able to play at elite level, then no extension offer should be made. I would just keep him and force him to play his way back into shape. If he leaves after next season, he leaves. At least we'll be in a position to potentially have enough cap space to sign 2 max players to go with Aldridge, Murray, Walker, and White.


The Spurs don't give two craps about leverage. Everyone in the media is obsessed about who has the leverage. The Spurs will ultimately do what they think is best for the franchise. Trading him now just to get other teams' scab players and late 1st round picks makes no sense. They would rather take the cap space his departure creates after next season so we can target and recruit the type of players we want.

Once elite level players like Kawhi get out of shape they become vulnerable to other nagging injuries that slow their progression back to elite conditioning - things like hamstring pulls and strains, calf strains, back strains, etc.

Kawhi should look at the example of Derrick Rose. He was the MVP in 2012 and 2 seasons later was just a shell of himself because of nagging injuries after a long layoff. He's still a productive player but by no means a max player or franchise cornerstone. That's the reality that Kawhi and his group need to understand. He's setting himself up to regress his career badly. If that happens, it would be all his fault by not allowing the Spurs to control his injury management.

[spursistan]

I cant believe spursfans celebrate pettyness. I guess i shouldnt be surprised.

The real best thing to do is to trade kawhi and get something of value.

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I don’t buy anything Sheridan says, but figured I’d post it

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[CGD]

That sounds like the offers are better than the narrative the press has been pushing.

Yup. And from SA point of view, why wouldn’t you just wait until USA camp or even training camp so that teams can have some of their questions about health answered?

[cd98]

The question is if the Spurs try to force him to play. He has to play and play well. If he chooses not to show up or fake an injury to sit the year, he won’t get a max offer from anyone after being away from the game for 2 seasons.

I don’t know...I bet there are teams that would take that chance. LAL would.

Had this thought: if Pop et al were calling out Kawhi in the media, maybe it’s bc they can’t get a conversation with him personally. Maybe all those conversations that Kawhi said were on going were only with Dennis? It would explain some of the things Pop said. He may have been forced to talk to Kawhi through the media bc he didn’t know if Dennis was even relaying what the Spurs were saying in those conversations.

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If Hart + Lakers first or Covington + Saric + Miami Pick is considered "aggressively", then....GTFO tbh.

[RGMCSE]

Seems a lot of this was about getting a better shoe deal, which they have totally destroyed. To sell shoes you have to be a salesman. He just wants to sign the contract and get 20 mil a year. If anything, his antics will lower his value in merchandising. He really needs a good PR manager badly.


Isn't this what uncle Dennis's wife does?

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[SnakeBoy]

I don’t buy for a second that the Spurs had a trade lined up with Toronto, but the Raps suddenly pulled out last minute because of health concerns. They would have had the same exact health concerns the entire time. As if they just forgot that he was injured? Or suddenly it mattered? :lol


Yeah that story doesn't make sense. Nothing new has happened to give Toronto any concerns they didn't already know about and any trade is going to require a physical.

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[Russ]

Quote from Chris Sheridan@sheridanhoops:



I have more intel on what @kawhileonard was doing in NY last winter than I am willing to publicly disclose.

But you will publicly disclose -- the sooner the better . . .

[Mr. Body]

Quote from Chris Sheridan@sheridanhoops:



But you will publicly disclose -- the sooner the better . . .

Why not say it, you fuck?

[Robz4000]

Why not say it, you fuck?

Because he has nothing.

[RD2191]

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I thought fat antonio fans were saying he'd be losing 80 million? Doesn't seem like it if he plays it right. Tbh

[Chinook]

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This is a somewhat helpful chart, but it's based on the assumption that Kawhi could earn multiple max contracts for the next six years. I don't think that's a given at all. Long-term contracts exist for a reason

[RD2191]

Because he has nothing.

Exactly :lol

[eDizzle20]

This is a somewhat helpful chart, but it's based on the assumption that Kawhi could earn multiple max contracts for the next six years. I don't think that's a given at all. Long-term contracts exist for a reason
If he leaves where ever he is traded to, then the max contract he can sign for next offseason is for 4 years. The chart does not include key factors like that. Re-signing with the Spurs clearly allows Kawhi to earn the most money as well as stability since he could technically sign the supermax as early as tomorrow. Given Kawhi’s injury history I doubt he does the 1+1 method like KD and LeBron have regularly done. As convinced as everyone is that he’ll be traded i would be surprised if Kawhi turned down the supermax if the Spurs offered it. At this point I doubt the Spurs offer that unless they have some assurances from Kawhi and his group.

[objective]

This is a somewhat helpful chart, but it's based on the assumption that Kawhi could earn multiple max contracts for the next six years. I don't think that's a given at all. Long-term contracts exist for a reason

It's dumb and intentionally misleading. Part of the big deal with the supermax is the fifth year and how reluctant teams are to give it. With his health issues, there's no reason to assume he'd be a max player after a 4 year free agent deal when he's 32.

[bluebellmaniac]

This is a somewhat helpful chart, but it's based on the assumption that Kawhi could earn multiple max contracts for the next six years. I don't think that's a given at all. Long-term contracts exist for a reason


A best case scenario index given the possibilities. He stands to lose a LOT of money by following uncle Dennis' advice.

[Killakobe81]

I don’t buy anything Sheridan says, but figured I’d post it

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I mentioned Knicks as a partner last week. One injured franchise guy for an injured potential franchise guy. But Spurs ask for Knox too who looks promising. Porzy probably doesn't give you much this year but Knox has Ingram like upside and is more of a playmaker than even Jaylen Brown was as a young guy.
That would be better than letting him walk for NADA which I still don't get...

[objective]

Nah man, it's to the point where you just tell him to report to camp. I'm pissed this faggot killed the Toronto trade with his press release crap. It's time to just suspend him for the season if he shows and if he doesn't force him into retirement for the year.

They can do better than suspend him after camp if he wants to play Team USA to start growing his brand I think ...

Don't players have to get medically cleared and given releases by their team to play? I say they should make him turn up to see the Spurs doctors to get clearance. Then he can miss team USA and fall behind everyone else lining up for money.

[phxspurfan]

He was busy meeting with other teams' execs (aka tampering). Same as when he met with Magic in LA when he attended that Dodgers game

[phxspurfan]

I mentioned Knicks as a partner last week. One injured franchise guy for an injured potential franchise guy. But Spurs ask for Knox too who looks promising. Porzy probably doesn't give you much this year but Knox has Ingram like upside and is more of a playmaker than even Jaylen Brown was as a young guy.
That would be better than letting him walk for NADA which I still don't get...

We wouldn't get Porzy. And if the Spurs asked for both Porzy and Knox they're beyond stupid. At this point the best they will get is a 3rd tier player (DeRozan or worse) and *maybe* a 2nd rounder.

[spurs10]

I thought fat antonio fans were saying he'd be losing 80 million? Doesn't seem like it if he plays it right. Tbh We are the only team that can offer him the super-max guaranteed. This chart is all speculation and best case scenarios. Assuming he'll be offered almost 50 million six years from now is way different than guaranteed.

[Mr. Body]

He was busy meeting with other teams' execs (aka tampering). Same as when he met with Magic in LA when he attended that Dodgers game

If Sheridan has evidence of tampering - and I don't doubt there was tampering here - he needs to spill.

[exstatic]

I thought fat antonio fans were saying he'd be losing 80 million? Doesn't seem like it if he plays it right. Tbh

Is a guy with questionable health and questionable representation really going to
sign a series of 1+1 deals? The figures we ran were based on signing for max guaranteed money and years.

[Russ]

If he leaves where ever he is traded to, then the max contract he can sign for next offseason is for 4 years. The chart does not include key factors like that. Re-signing with the Spurs clearly allows Kawhi to earn the most money as well as stability since he could technically sign the supermax as early as tomorrow. Given Kawhi’s injury history I doubt he does the 1+1 method like KD and LeBron have regularly done. As convinced as everyone is that he’ll be traded i would be surprised if Kawhi turned down the supermax if the Spurs offered it. At this point I doubt the Spurs offer that unless they have some assurances from Kawhi and his group.

The Spurs should consider a SuperMax as long as it does not include a "no trade" clause.

If the Spurs give him a no trade, they might as well disband.