Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[spursistan]

Eh, I don't know that Kawhitter will necessarily have to play just because they came out and said he is 100% right now. He could always fabricate another injury and all it would probably take is another "second opinion" to avoid getting in any legal trouble. Didn't he miss some games in between the 9 games he did play with like a sore shoulder?

Ideally, he falls in line and Dennis the Menace fucks off but I'm not holding my breath. I'm also not in favor of forcing Manu into retirement because of this faggot. If Manu want to play another year and Kawhi states he doesn't want him I say tough shit motherfucker. Parker I don't have a problem letting go, but not because of any comment he made about Kawhitter, just simply because he sucks and probably doesn't have a role on this team anymore. These are guys that will always be around the Spurs, I'm not kicking them on the ass on the way out the door for a guy who seemingly doesn't give a fuck about this organization.

[Marcus Bryant]

So true.

How do you even plan anything if everything's up in the air.

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Way to clear it is simple. "Kawhi, do you want to go to the Sixers?"

[DAF86]

So, rumour has it that Kawhi's injury is trully serious and all this shenanigans is just to get the Spurs to offer supermax.

[Marcus Bryant]

Alternative could be Leonard signing 1+1 supermax (allowable?) that would give Leonard ability to opt out in 2020 when it appears Pop would be moving on.

[Marcus Bryant]

So, rumour has it that Kawhi's injury is trully serious and all this shenanigans is just to get the Spurs to offer supermax.

Unless something recent happened Spurs have all that info

[BackHome]

That shit ain’t happening

[DAF86]

Unless something recent happened Spurs have all that info

What info?

[Marcus Bryant]

His injury. The Spurs have that.

[Extra Stout]

What info?
The Spurs have a good handle on Kawhi’s physical condition. There is no secret horrible diagnosis being kept from them.

[DAF86]

His injury. The Spurs have that.


The Spurs have a good handle on Kawhi’s physical condition. There is no secret horrible diagnosis being kept from them.

Yeah but according to them Kawhi is fine and has been fine for months. The rumour is that he isn't.

[DAF86]

Where did you hear this rumor that he isn't?

An Argie journalist that always gives info (he has ties Oberto, Manu and a lot of folks in SA and around the league) just mentioned on the go on TV. Nothing really serious or official, but he did say it, and he's not one of those guys that just says shit to get attention.

[Extra Stout]

Yeah but according to them Kawhi is fine and has been fine for months. The rumour is that he isn't.Interesting rumor. I have no idea what it would be based upon, since the Spurs have access to all the records from all the doctors Kawhi has seen.

He has been fine for months. The malingering was part of a ploy to force a trade to LA yesterday so he could be part of a superteam with LeBron James and Paul George. The Spurs sniffed it out and called his bluff. Now we’re on to deciding whether to iron out the relationship or ship him out. On the one hand, he’s a superstar talent, on the other hand he’s willing to sabotage his own team to please his grifter uncle. What to do?

[Pavlov]

An Argie journalist that always gives info (he has ties Oberto, Manu and a lot of folks in SA and around the league) just mentioned on the go on TV. Nothing really serious or official, but he did say it, and he's not one of those guys that just says shit to get attention.My conspiracy theory is confirmed!

[John B]

LeBron and Simmons are both ball dominant and redundant, plus Kawhi is another iso player. Is it possible for Philly to include Simmons to Spurs if they are getting LeBron and Kawhi?

[FkLA]

An Argie journalist that always gives info (he has ties Oberto, Manu and a lot of folks in SA and around the league) just mentioned on the go on TV. Nothing really serious or official, but he did say it, and he's not one of those guys that just says shit to get attention.

http://memecrunch.com/meme/R42Z/not-sure-if-he-is-serious/image.jpg

[Extra Stout]

LeBron and Simmons are both ball dominant and redundant, plus Kawhi is another iso player. Is it possible for Philly to include Simmons to Spurs if they are getting LeBron and Kawhi?
Is Phila really going to ship out a 22-year-old generational talent because he’s “redundant” with a guy that has two or three years left in his prime?

[Marcus Bryant]

Interesting rumor. I have no idea what it would be based upon, since the Spurs have access to all the records from all the doctors Kawhi has seen.

He has been fine for months. The malingering was part of a ploy to force a trade to LA yesterday so he could be part of a superteam with LeBron James and Paul George. The Spurs sniffed it out and called his bluff. Now we’re on to deciding whether to iron out the relationship or ship him out. On the one hand, he’s a superstar talent, on the other hand he’s willing to sabotage his own team to please his grifter uncle. What to do?

He's been shielded from a lot. First San Diego and then SA. Now he wants to go to a high pressure big market full of idiot fans and media? Imagine this 'injury' playing out as it did in LA, Philly, or Boston. Imagine when you don't win a championship the reaction isn't 'well, next time' as it generally is in SA, but rather 24/7 when is this overrated piece of shit going to get it done? If he's that weak that any negativity turns him into a passive-aggressive hermit how's he going to deal with that constant barrage of insane expectations and full tilt hostility?

[FvckMavs]

Is Phila really going to ship out a 22-year-old generational talent because he’s “redundant” with a guy that has two or three years left in his prime?

They are in "win-now" mode if they can land LBJ.

[DAF86]

http://memecrunch.com/meme/R42Z/not-sure-if-he-is-serious/image.jpg

Haha, serious son. But I don't know how serious is the guy, maybe he is just speculating. I doubt the rumour comes from the Spurs' side, since they seem to believe Kawhi has been healthy all along.

[Marcus Bryant]

Is Phila really going to ship out a 22-year-old generational talent because he’s “redundant” with a guy that has two or three years left in his prime?

Dumb short horizon moves are made all the time.

[John B]

Is Phila really going to ship out a 22-year-old generational talent because he’s “redundant” with a guy that has two or three years left in his prime?

To make a LeBron/Kawhi/Embiid happen? Why not? Kawhi is 26 and will get the best 1-2 players in the league. The best defensive player. I’m just putting it out there, because on playbook Lebron and Simmons are redundant.

[NASpurs]

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[Pavlov]

Is Phila really going to ship out a 22-year-old generational talent because he’s “redundant” with a guy that has two or three years left in his prime?Right? I'd be willing to give it a few games before declaring the pairing a failure.

[baseline bum]

Boston's window isn't shutting any time soon, no matter what happens in Philly.

Boston's window is slammed shut if Philly gets LeBron and Leonard to team with Simmons, Embiid, Covington, Reddick, Beli, plus whatever ring chasers they can land.

[FkLA]

Haha, serious son. But I don't know how serious is the guy, maybe he is just speculating. I doubt the rumour comes from the Spurs' side, since they seem to believe Kawhi has been healthy all along.

Kind of thought you were mocking that fraud Manu4Tres for a second there, just needed confirmation that you were being serious.

Did the reporter cite sources or is it just his personal opinion?

[baseline bum]

Then start the ask with Simmons.

Not a chance in hell. I doubt they'd trade Simmons for even Davis much less Leonard.

[DAF86]

Kind of thought you were mocking that fraud Manu4Tres for a second there, just needed confirmation that you were being serious.

Did the reporter cite sources or is it just his personal opinion?

Nah, he just threw it up in the air, that's why I didn't make a thread or anything. Just thought I would share it here to see if he ends up being right.

[r0drig0lac]

a team with Simmons, Joel, Kawhi and Lebron will destroy the league, there is no adjustment problem when the talent is much better than that of any other team (yes, they will be at least 1 level above the current warriors). no team will break 100 points against this core

[Marcus Bryant]

If Simmons was what it took to get LeBron and Leonard he's gone. That fanbase has had its fill of the process it wants to win now. Imagine a couple million Ghost Writers.

[baseline bum]

If Simmons was what it took to get LeBron and Leonard he's gone. That fanbase has had its fill of the process it wants to win now. Imagine a couple million Ghost Writers.

They wouldn't trade Simmons for 2-3 years of LeBron's prime. And no way LeBron would go there without Simmons. Simmons is what would make Philly attractive to him. Look how frustrated LeBron was with the complete lack of ball handlers in Cleveland the last couple of years.

[Marcus Bryant]

Oh, ok Brett we'll deal the guy who can guard LeBron to the C's.

[baseline bum]

Oh, ok Brett we'll deal the guy who can guard LeBron to the C's.

And then you do if they offer Tatum. You're not getting Simmons, he's likely as untouchable as Curry.

[John B]

Not a chance in hell. I doubt they'd trade Simmons for even Davis much less Leonard.

A healthy Kawhi is >>>> than either Simmons or Davis. To get a healthy Kawhi to pair with LBJ? Pops should ask for Simmons.

[Marcus Bryant]

Everybody and their dog has promise. We have a top 3 player who is proven.

[FkLA]

Nah, he just threw it up in the air, that's why I didn't make a thread or anything. Just thought I would share it here to see if he ends up being right.

Ah I see. I doubt it's true but it would be pretty funny if it was and a broken down Kawhitter ends up with the Lakers.

[SpursDynasty85]

Is Phila really going to ship out a 22-year-old generational talent because he’s “redundant” with a guy that has two or three years left in his prime?

Lebron going to bring mystique and tons of more money not to mention a lot more championship level experience. Basically do you want to win in 1 or 2 years or do you wait another 5 or 6? I think Philly is in win now mode.

[Mr. Body]

Boston's window is slammed shut if Philly gets LeBron and Leonard to team with Simmons, Embiid, Covington, Reddick, Beli, plus whatever ring chasers they can land.

No way. Boston is teeming with talent. LeBron is on the downslope of his career, and Kawhi's status as a player, healthwise and desire to play outside of LA, are very much in question.

[Big Empty]

Damn Bruce...now whatever Bowen said is all over the news. We know Leonard has a frail ego now. So it doesnt help when current or former players talk sh1t even if its true because then all the San Antonio news stations report it as “Spurs player BLAST Leonard”ect... its not helping.

[SpursDynasty85]

They wouldn't trade Simmons for 2-3 years of LeBron's prime. And no way LeBron would go there without Simmons. Simmons is what would make Philly attractive to him. Look how frustrated LeBron was with the complete lack of ball handlers in Cleveland the last couple of years.

2 - 3 years of prime but at least 5 years of all star championship level bball as well. Who knows how long Embiid will last. I feel big men like him won't last very long either. Idk. I'm not on the lebron is the greatest bandwagon but Simmons for him is a no brainer for if you can get a more than 2 year commitment from Lebron. Pressure for Sixers to finally win a championship is big.

[John B]

Yup it doesn’t help. Fuck up Bruce. Just let the guy cooperate and Spurs get the most of him not antagonize his camp

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Damn Bruce...now whatever Bowen said is all over the news. We know Leonard has a frail ego now. So it doesnt help when current or former players talk sh1t even if its true because then all the San Antonio news stations report it as “Spurs player BLAST Leonard”ect... its not helping.

Depends on your definition of helping. Hopefully it either pushes his frail ego to the side which causes him to suck it up and become the leader of the franchise he has to be. Or it will cause him to go further into his shell.

If he's going to take home $219M, he damn well be able and willing to answer some questions from the media. He needs to learn to expand his answers and have a bit of personality too.

[SpursWoman]

Damn Bruce...now whatever Bowen said is all over the news. We know Leonard has a frail ego now. So it doesnt help when current or former players talk sh1t even if its true because then all the San Antonio news stations report it as “Spurs player BLAST Leonard”ect... its not helping.

I don't think what Bowen said was that bad. Just reiterating that the Spurs do have his best interests in mind. But it could have been a worded differently, I guess.

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I can tell you right now, LA sports radio is freaking out due to the Spurs' silence.

Good things come to those who wait. :toast

Do tell.

[Extra Stout]

One of two things is true: Kawhi Leonard gets butthurt like a little bitch at the least criticism of his outrageous behavior, in which case he hardly has a chance to make it halfway through a season in LA unless LeBron is there to wipe his bib...
OR
His being “upset” is just a pretext anyway, and his true motivations have nothing to do with what Parker, Bowen, or anybody else says.

[Marcus Bryant]

Bowen, DRob, RC saying these things are the Spurs way of prepping the fanbase for the inevitable trade. Hey, we tried, he just wouldn't be reasonable. Now introducing your newest Spurs...

[John B]

2 - 3 years of prime but at least 5 years of all star championship level bball as well. Who knows how long Embiid will last. I feel big men like him won't last very long either. Idk. I'm not on the lebron is the greatest bandwagon but Simmons for him is a no brainer for if you can get a more than 2 year commitment from Lebron. Pressure for Sixers to finally win a championship is big.
Agreed. 1983 since their last championship. If you can get LeBron and Kawhi now, I’d give up Simmons if what it takes. Again Lebron/Simmons don’t compliment each other. Simmons will be the odd man.

[rjv]

after reading buford's comments from last night it's clear that RC's thoughts were carefully worded so as to include kawhi's family as being important in the process. he also took the time to assume some responsibility for the current mess.

[Marcus Bryant]

after reading buford's comments from last night it's clear that RC's thoughts were carefully worded so as to include kawhi's family as being important in the process. he also took the time to assume some responsibility for the current mess.

Pop doesn't want to finish his career rebuilding. The rebuild starts with any Leonard trade.

[DPG21920]

Watch what happens next — if LeBron re-ups 1+1 in Cleveland, and George does the same in OKC, it means the three of them are punting for the year and waiting out the end of Kawhi’s contract before they all go to LA.

You think Kawh is going to give up over 80 million?? Unless someone is taking a discount La can’t afford 3 max deals

[ducks]

Pop doesn't want to finish his career rebuilding. The rebuild starts with any Leonard trade.

fuck pop if leonard has to go retire let becky coach and pop can go away

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs need to know where they stand with their franchise player - is this a relationship that is salvageable for the long-term or is all the smoke for real and they need to focus on trading him? They need to know as soon as possible given free agency kicks off soon.

[John B]

Without Kawhi, Pops is the only reason why anyone would want to play for Spurs imo

[Extra Stout]

You think Kawh is going to give up over 80 million?? Unless someone is taking a discount La can’t afford 3 max deals
Yes, baseline bum, I think, covered that. In order to make it work, they had to trick the Spurs into trading Leonard this summer for a deal that included Luol Deng’s contract. Probably Ingram, Kuzma, #25, and Deng.

[exstatic]

I can tell you right now, LA sports radio is freaking out due to the Spurs' silence.

Good things come to those who wait. :toast

Magic isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, either. He probably can't figure out what's up, either.

[Extra Stout]

The Spurs need to know where they stand with their franchise player - is this a relationship that is salvageable for the long-term or is all the smoke for real and they need to focus on trading him? They need to know as soon as possible given free agency kicks off soon.
If you believe your “franchise player” faked an injury and sabotaged your season so he could trick you into trading him to a specific team, don’t you already have your answer?

[Baam]

Fultz is the centerpiece if they trade with Philly, never was Simmons. Fultz will be able to shoot some day, otoh Simmons has no room for growth, he's like Rondo, a huge Rondo.

Fultz Green Covington Saric LMA
Murray/LW Manu/White Anderson Bertans Gasoft

Trade away Kawhi + Mills

I would be hyped by this trade. There's no other team offering a prospect with unlimited ceiling + 2 starters that make the team better.

For Philly the decision is easy as well, Brown is one PO series loss away from being fired, Philly won't settle for being "ok" and his ass is on the line. Plus Kiwi is the perfect autist to play with huge egos like Embiid and Simmons.

[John B]

No way Pops sending Kawhi to Lakers. I feel he’s talking with Brett to send Kawhi to Philly. Sixers was clearing up sending even hometown boy Bridges to Suns. LeBron/Kawhi for whatever we can get. I hope including Simmons

[exstatic]

Dumb short horizon moves are made all the time.

...around LeBron. He got Cleveland to trade the first overall pick for Kevin Love, the human tater tot.

[Mr. Body]

Fultz is the centerpiece if they trade with Philly, never was Simmons. Fultz will be able to shoot some day, otoh Simmons has no room for growth, he's like Rondo, a huge Rondo.

Fultz Green Covington Saric LMA
Murray/LW Manu/White Anderson Bertans Gasoft

Trade away Kawhi + Mills

I would be hyped by this trade. There's no other team offering a prospect with unlimited ceiling + 2 starters that make the team better.

For Philly the decision is easy as well, Brown is one PO series loss away from being fired, Philly won't settle for being "ok" and his ass is on the line. Plus Kiwi is the perfect autist to play with huge egos like Embiid and Simmons.

I'd do that trade. Wasn't sure before. It fucks up the guard corps, but the team can figure it out. Get Kawhi out of the conference. Let him sign with the Lakers if he wants to, the baby. Retool. Fultz apparently had the yips with his shot and we have the best shot-fixer in the business. Hell, he's the one that gave Kawhi his career.

[exstatic]

Fultz is the centerpiece if they trade with Philly, never was Simmons. Fultz will be able to shoot some day, otoh Simmons has no room for growth, he's like Rondo, a huge Rondo.

Fultz Green Covington Saric LMA
Murray/LW Manu/White Anderson Bertans Gasoft

Trade away Kawhi + Mills

I would be hyped by this trade. There's no other team offering a prospect with unlimited ceiling + 2 starters that make the team better.

For Philly the decision is easy as well, Brown is one PO series loss away from being fired, Philly won't settle for being "ok" and his ass is on the line. Plus Kiwi is the perfect autist to play with huge egos like Embiid and Simmons.

You're an idiot. Simmons has the highest ceiling of any player on that roster, including Embiid.

[rjv]

Magic isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, either. He probably can't figure out what's up, either.

he was a great player and a solid businessman, but magic is overrated when it comes to his involvement in basketball as a coach or head of operations.

[Spurs9]

I'd do that trade. Wasn't sure before. It fucks up the guard corps, but the team can figure it out. Get Kawhi out of the conference. Let him sign with the Lakers if he wants to, the baby. Retool. Fultz apparently had the yips with his shot and we have the best shot-fixer in the business. Hell, he's the one that gave Kawhi his career.

I don't understand why it seemed like they were so down on Fultz. In the games I saw him play he looked pretty impressive. I thought he could have helped the team being played in the playoffs.

[rjv]

The Spurs need to know where they stand with their franchise player - is this a relationship that is salvageable for the long-term or is all the smoke for real and they need to focus on trading him? They need to know as soon as possible given free agency kicks off soon.

agreed but, unfortunately, i think free agency (including any leonard moves) is going to be held hostage by the lebron situation.

[Mr. Body]

I don't understand why it seemed like they were so down on Fultz. In the games I saw him play he looked pretty impressive. I thought he could have helped the team being played in the playoffs.

He probably didn't have enough reps with the team to know the plays or have chemistry.

[SuperCam]

:lol thinking kiwi + sixers core would cickblock boston, spur homers

simmons is a taller worse shooting rondo and while Embiid is mfer he can't even play b2b :lol

[exstatic]

:lol thinking kiwi + sixers core would cickblock boston, spur homers

simmons is a taller worse shooting rondo and while Embiid is mfer he can't even play b2b :lol

Uh, dumbass much? We're talking if Bron goes there AND Kawhi goes there. Boston is fucked if that happens.

[John B]

Simmons is the odd man if Philly is going for LeBron and Kawhi. Fultz/SG/Kawhi/LeBron/Embiid unless you think Simmons play PG or SG? Or coming off the bench?

[SuperCam]

Uh, dumbass much? We're talking if Bron goes there AND Kawhi goes there. Boston is fucked if that happens.

and what is philly going to trade now that lottery is over and they have no more picks? fultzbust and their shooting euro? even PATFO isn't dumb enough to take that :lol

[Marcus Bryant]

If you believe your “franchise player” faked an injury and sabotaged your season so he could trick you into trading him to a specific team, don’t you already have your answer?

Now that the Spurs have made it clear they aren't participating in creating a Laker superteam, and are dangling some portion of the supermax perhaps things are changing. Regardless, this franchise is worth more with Leonard under contract than without, you're looking at another squeak into the playoffs season without him and does Pop want to coach a rebuild situation or does he think he's making progress with putting that relationship back together?

It's a business. At some point perhaps soon the divorcing Holts are going to sell. This will impact the value of their interest.

[exstatic]

and what is philly going to trade now that lottery is over and they have no more picks? fultzbust and their shooting euro? even PATFO isn't dumb enough to take that :lol

Assuming they're gunning for LeBron:

They have Fultz, Saric, Simmons, Covington, Zhaire Smith, and unprotected 2021 Miami first. Any two of those is better than Boston's dog shit offer, and gets Ainge off the dime.

[SuperCam]

Assuming they're gunning for LeBron:

They have Fultz, Saric, Simmons, Covington, Zhaire Smith, and unprotected 2021 Miami first. Any two of those is better than Boston's dog shit offer, and gets Ainge off the dime.

Brown is better prospect than any but simmons who probably isn't even on the table. and they have better picks including one next year much better than some mediocre late 1st round useless pick 3 years later that the post-PATFO regime would use to draft another undersized guard

[DPG21920]

I don’t see a path to SA and Kawhi making up. I hope Kawhi signs some extension with SA that way SA can keep him or get more value with an understanding that he will be moved if signed as long as his camp expands their list of teams.

Waiting until after July 7th other than it killing your own free agency plans is wise because LA may lose a ton of leverage depending on what they do.

Pressure will mount too. La sold all the fans on the mega summer. They have two stars publicly clamoring for La and if they whiff or muck it up??! Wow.

[DPG21920]

Also I hope SA doesn’t trade Pau unless they have free agents they love. If not, keep your assets and just let him walk with his 6M guaranteed next year. If you can get positive value, then fine, but don’t dump a first unless you can recoup via another or love a free agent.

[Extra Stout]

Now that the Spurs have made it clear they aren't participating in creating a Laker superteam, and are dangling some portion of the supermax perhaps things are changing.
How do you build a franchise around someone you can’t even trust to show up to play? What’s the next scheme the harebrained uncle will dream up?

It's a business.How do you do business with someone whose value system is so screwed up that he gives unquestioning loyalty to a two-bit crook who will screw you over again and again at the first chance? LaVar Ball is merely annoying by comparison; he doesn’t hold Lonzo out of games.

[DPG21920]

How do you build a franchise around someone you can’t even trust to show up to play? What’s the next scheme the harebrained uncle will dream up?
How do you do business with someone whose value system is so screwed up that he gives unquestioning loyalty to a two-bit crook who will screw you over again and again at the first chance? LaVar Ball is merely annoying by comparison; he doesn’t hold Lonzo out of games.

If he’s paid he has no incentive to act that way. Also if he’s paid SA has total control over trading him and they will get a haul since he can’t walk from the new team

[SpursDynasty85]

If you believe your “franchise player” faked an injury and sabotaged your season so he could trick you into trading him to a specific team, don’t you already have your answer?

It's definitely somewhere in the middle. He obviously has had chronic quad issues. He probably did not want to play on it and focus on health as part of a long term health and financial leverage play. Throwing a way a season to get 100% healthy is not normal but teams like Boston really screwed players like IT over as well.

[Killakobe81]

I don’t see a path to SA and Kawhi making up. I hope Kawhi signs some extension with SA that way SA can keep him or get more value with an understanding that he will be moved if signed as long as his camp expands their list of teams.

Waiting until after July 7th other than it killing your own free agency plans is wise because LA may lose a ton of leverage depending on what they do.

Pressure will mount too. La sold all the fans on the mega summer. They have two stars publicly clamoring for La and if they whiff or muck it up??! Wow.

Mehhh media narratives and Laker casuals.
I am glad there are some fans on LG unwilling to throw away the entire core for KL.

Look I get our core is underrated on here and overrated on LG ...truth is they are somewhere in the middle of that but with POTENTIAL to be much more or bust.
But if Spurs dont think Lakers young pieces offer enough value I prefer we stick with our young guys and you guys make KL stay.
with
IF we dont get two max guys im okay. I dont love PG but If my young guys develop the way I think they can we will be fringe playoff team with just PG.
IF pg stays in OKC and we keep our cap space and KL comes next July and we throw the war chest at Klay Thompson or someone else to join KL.

Fuck the Lebron or bust mindset.

[objective]

I don't think Kawhi and his status were going to affect the Spurs Free Agency plans either way.

There's no rats leaving a sinking ship with Green not opting out.

Gay opted out but I think that was expected because he can actually get more than the mle with a non-bird raise from the Spurs

They were going to have the MLE to work with in every situation that didn't involve salary dumping Mills and junking Gasol

MLE split for Milutinov and other small pieces, either that or mle for Noel as a favor to Dejounte's agent

Spurs were never in play for Cousins or George, and there's not many free agents who would even get minutes on the team.

Market so bad, Dedmon opted in for next year.

[DPG21920]

It can absolutely impact SA free agency.

1. Pau - if Kawhi is staying you can pay to dump Pau and pursue cap space to sign better players. If he’s gone? You don’t do that probably.

2. Danny - if Kawhi is here you keep Danny. If not you look to maybe move him.

3. LMA - if Kawhi is gone then he may want out. If he’s here he will want more talent


Lots of potential impact and that’s just SA side of FA let alone other players views.

[Marcus Bryant]

How do you build a franchise around someone you can’t even trust to show up to play? What’s the next scheme the harebrained uncle will dream up?
How do you do business with someone whose value system is so screwed up that he gives unquestioning loyalty to a two-bit crook who will screw you over again and again at the first chance? LaVar Ball is merely annoying by comparison; he doesn’t hold Lonzo out of games.

That was their play and it failed. Unfortunately this is also a top player in the league and your best player. Continued non-performance is not an option for him. Both sides stand to lose significantly in most trade scenarios, so the effort by the Spurs to reconcile makes sense.

[SpursDynasty85]

It can absolutely impact SA free agency.

1. Pau - if Kawhi is staying you can pay to dump Pau and pursue cap space to sign better players. If he’s gone? You don’t do that probably.

2. Danny - if Kawhi is here you keep Danny. If not you look to maybe move him.

3. LMA - if Kawhi is gone then he may want out. If he’s here he will want more talent


Lots of potential impact and that’s just SA side of FA let alone other players views.

If Kawhi absolutely needs Danny then ok. Otherwise Danny needs to go so these young guys can play. Kawhi might like the idea of playing with a Derrick White and Lonnie Walker. (Hopefully).

As far as LMA, that's a big maybe. I think his contract last year solved 90% of his real gripes. I'm assuming the main reason he joined us was for family not necessarily Kawhi.

[DPG21920]

That was their play and it failed. Unfortunately this is also a top player in the league and your best player. Continued non-performance is not an option for him. Both sides stand to lose significantly in most trade scenarios, so the effort by the Spurs to reconcile makes sense.

Even if “reconcile” just means signing an extension knowing you’ll be traded so both sides can win

[YGWHI]

Damn Bruce...now whatever Bowen said is all over the news. We know Leonard has a frail ego now. So it doesnt help when current or former players talk sh1t even if its true because then all the San Antonio news stations report it as “Spurs player BLAST Leonard”ect... its not helping.

It's not helping to keep Kawhi nor to get decent offers in trade talks.

As much as they bash him in public, this gets worse.
Other teams know the relationship between the player and the franchise is damaged and those GMs can't trust in an angry player's camp.

Never got why the Spurs wanted to irritate his camp with these many comments in the middle of negotations.

[exstatic]

Brown is better prospect than any but simmons who probably isn't even on the table. and they have better picks including one next year much better than some mediocre late 1st round useless pick 3 years later that the post-PATFO regime would use to draft another undersized guard

They haven't offered Brown. Their offer is Kyrie, plus filler. Through seven seasons, he's had four where he's played 60 games or less, and he's coming off surgery.

[DPG21920]

It's not helping to keep Kawhi nor to get decent offers in trade talks.

As much as they bash him in public, this gets worse.
Other teams know the relationship between the player and the franchise is damaged and those GMs can't trust in an angry player's camp.

Never got why the Spurs wanted to irritate his camp with these many comments in the middle of negotations.

Or maybe good people are pissed at Kawhi doing SA wrong and don’t care to bite their tongue?

[Marcus Bryant]

Even if “reconcile” just means signing an extension knowing you’ll be traded so both sides can win

Correct. Leonard under contract for 4+ seasons is a much more valuable asset and you are likely to realize commensurate value.

[ernest787]

Correct. Leonard under contract for 4+ seasons is a much more valuable asset and you are likely to realize commensurate value.

I don't understand why so many posters here cannot grasp that concept. The best thing that can happen is Kawhi signing an extension. If he still wants out, you trade him and actually get a real return for him.

[DPG21920]

Correct. Leonard under contract for 4+ seasons is a much more valuable asset and you are likely to realize commensurate value.

Gives his camp an out too. Get him paid and away from SA

[Mugen]

RC will panic and cave. I'd be surprised if he's not a Laker by July 1 or 2 tbh

[cd98]

RC will panic and cave. I'd be surprised if he's not a Laker by July 1 or 2 tbh

Whoa, not likely. Spurs can make that trade whenever with the Lakers. Those Lakers players are likely not going anywhere and we all know no one wants Deng. LOL at him going to the Spurs. Like RC is going to give up any Kawhi deal that involves taking Deng back.

[YGWHI]

Or maybe good people are pissed at Kawhi doing SA wrong and don’t care to bite their tongue?

Then good people is acting very stupid and ruining Spurs' options.

There is no need to burn bridges before to finish a deal with other team. Like it or not, this is a mistake.

The Spurs can bash him all they want after trade him but they should have kept classy and polite until then...

Like I've said before I expected way more from the best sport organization in the world. At least, being smarter than this.

[Marcus Bryant]

I'm pissed by Leonard's bullshit (let's be clear, he's not a 5 year old who did what the adults told him to do. Why it's assumed he wasn't an active participant by many on here I am not sure). Still, the best path forward for ensuring the competitiveness of this team continues well into the future is to find a way to get him under contract past next summer.

[SAGirl]

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[DPG21920]

RC will panic and cave. I'd be surprised if he's not a Laker by July 1 or 2 tbh

I’m fine with Ingram if LA can do other this and get a few more assets.

Then move LMA for Josh Jackson

After the dust settles and Kawhi and LMA are gone end up with:

Ingram + other assets + Josh Jackson or

Fultz + Zhaire + Saric + Josh Jackson or

Jaylen Brown + asset + Josh Jackson

[spursistan]

RC will panic and cave. I'd be surprised if he's not a Laker by July 1 or 2 tbh
Nah..

Rewarding that kind of behavior is simply front office malpractice. People need to stop this bullshit about "oh you are emotional!"; there are professional ethics in any business field that are simply off limits.


It seems like people are yet to realize the magnitude of Kawhi craven and treacherous act.

[DPG21920]

Then good people is acting very stupid and ruining Spurs' options.

There is no need to burn bridges before to finish a deal with other team. Like it or not, this is a mistake.

Bash him all the Spurs want after trade him but they should have kept classy and polite until then...

Like I've said before I expected way more from the best sport organization in the world.

Spurs haven’t done much wrong other than maybe getting a little frustrated. Yet? I see you always commenting. Kawhi has done far more wrong yet I don’t see you harping as much on that side. Odd.

[spursistan]

RC will panic and cave. I'd be surprised if he's not a Laker by July 1 or 2 tbh
Nah..

Rewarding that kind of behavior is simply front office malpractice. People need to stop this bullshit about "oh you are emotional!"; there are professional ethics in any business field that are simply off limits.


It seems like people are yet to realize the magnitude of Kawhi craven and treacherous act.

The Spurs will not only shut on the door on the Lakers, but they will be fighting this disgraceful shit in the next collective bargaining agreement..

[Marcus Bryant]

RC will panic and cave. I'd be surprised if he's not a Laker by July 1 or 2 tbh

Ha. It'll be Philly if it's clear they can't work something out.

[DPG21920]

I really hope SA isn’t wasting their time though. Makes sense that they need to try but I hope they have a good read here...

[Mugen]

I’m fine with Ingram if LA can do other this and get a few more assets.

Then move LMA for Josh Jackson

After the dust settles and Kawhi and LMA are gone end up with:

Ingram + other assets + Josh Jackson or

Fultz + Zhaire + Saric + Josh Jackson or

Jaylen Brown + asset + Josh Jackson

Would never happen. Pop looks to be in the thick of things and he's not coaching a rebuild. LMA will stay and the Spurs will probably bottom out as a 7th or 8th seed again.

[r0drig0lac]

I really hope SA isn’t wasting their time though. Makes sense that they need to try but I hope they have a good read here...

[cd98]

Deng is owed $18 million for this season and the next. If Spurs are giving up the best player in a trade, they cannot take back salary like that attached to a garbage player.

Spurs know that Lakers will never have the assets to get Kawhi b/c any deal that gets rid of Deng will require them to give up one of their assets that they'll need to do a Kawhi deal. Clippers don't have jack that the Spurs want.

So here's what you do if you are the Spurs. Assuming Kawhi does not want to play for the Spurs, you just tell him that the deals with the Lakers and the Clippers are too bad for the Spurs and that they are better letting him walk (and free salary). So let him play out a year. If he can't possibly play another day in S.A., fine, force his hand and tell him the teams you will trade him to and let him choose. You find a trade that benefits both sides. I'm sure that's what they are telling Kawhi in private.

If the Spurs don't extend Kawhi, then he's going to play next year with the risk of injury or otherwise losing his market value. But he can pocket additional millions if he is traded (bird rights) vs. signing as a free agent. So he is always better off being traded. It's just he won't get traded to the Lakers or Clippers.

[Marcus Bryant]

I really hope SA isn’t wasting their time though. Makes sense that they need to try but I hope they have a good read here...

"Hey Dennis, it's RC, does Kawhi want 219 million dollars? Let me know by EOD tomorrow. Kthxbye."

[DPG21920]

Anyone have a subscription to The Atlantic?

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[Mugen]

I don't think Deng will come back (that would just mean the front office is just completely incompetent). But they'll cave to LA.

Wouldn't surprise me if Uncle and the group start leaking that they will only re-sign with the Lakers and that should force RC/Pop's hand pretty quickly.

Ingram/Kuz and some garbage picks. It sucks but I don't think RC and Pop have the stomach for this as i've said many times. This entire drama affects the rest of the team and they won't be held hostage by Kawhi. He'll be a Laker when free agency starts.

[exstatic]

I really hope SA isn’t wasting their time though. Makes sense that they need to try but I hope they have a good read here...

I don't think they're doing anything but playing for time. Both sides are saying the "right things" publicly, but running their own agendas behind closed doors.

[Marcus Bryant]

I don't think Deng will come back (that would just mean the front office is just completely incompetent). But they'll cave to LA.

Wouldn't surprise me if Uncle and the group start leaking that they will only re-sign with the Lakers and that should force RC/Pop's hand pretty quickly.

Ingram/Kuz and some garbage picks. It sucks but I don't think RC and Pop have the stomach for this as i've said many times. This entire drama affects the rest of the team and they won't be held hostage by Kawhi. He'll be a Laker when free agency starts.

They already did that.

[baseline bum]

Nah..

Rewarding that kind of behavior is simply front office malpractice. People need to stop this bullshit about "oh you are emotional!"; there are professional ethics in any business field that are simply off limits.


It seems like people are yet to realize the magnitude of Kawhi craven and treacherous act.

The emotional ones are the ones crying :cry trade him now, I don't want anything to do with him :cry

I imagine that's the exact reaction Uncle Dennis and Company were hoping to get, but from the front office, not the fans. :lol

[exstatic]

I don't think Deng will come back (that would just mean the front office is just completely incompetent). But they'll cave to LA.

Wouldn't surprise me if Uncle and the group start leaking that they will only re-sign with the Lakers and that should force RC/Pop's hand pretty quickly.

Ingram/Kuz and some garbage picks. It sucks but I don't think RC and Pop have the stomach for this as i've said many times. This entire drama affects the rest of the team and they won't be held hostage by Kawhi. He'll be a Laker when free agency starts.

You haven't been paying attention. They've already played that card. It didn't work. The draft went by, and Kawhi is still here.

The period between 1 July and training camp has very little effect on "the team", so they can wait Magic and his minions out. Magic IS actually under the gun, needing to wrap up signings quickly after FA.

As MB said, the shit trades will be there any time. No need to rush.

[Baam]

He won't be a Laker in any universe. Someone will always gamble like OKC with Paul George, too easy to beat LA's offer so it's just impossible he ends up there.

[look_at_g_shred]

I don't think Deng will come back (that would just mean the front office is just completely incompetent). But they'll cave to LA.

Wouldn't surprise me if Uncle and the group start leaking that they will only re-sign with the Lakers and that should force RC/Pop's hand pretty quickly.

Ingram/Kuz and some garbage picks. It sucks but I don't think RC and Pop have the stomach for this as i've said many times. This entire drama affects the rest of the team and they won't be held hostage by Kawhi. He'll be a Laker when free agency starts.
Nah they are gonna keep him to play next year..and if he doesn't want to play here you tell him that philly and boston are the alternatives. If he doesn't like that, then he can walk next summer but risk another or same injury this coming season.

[Mugen]

They already did that.

Nah, it's been "prefer the Lakers"...

They're liable to drop the hammer and escalate their demands any day now. And RC/Pop will cave. They care too much about PR and the integrity of the organization that as soon as the tide turns and people start turning against the Spurs for "holding Kawhi hostage." (the LA driven media will push this narrative tbh), he's gone.

I hope i'm wrong but it'll happen. RC and Pop don't have the stomach for this.

[YGWHI]

Spurs haven’t done much wrong other than maybe getting a little frustrated.
A little frustated meant they questioned their franchise player in public.

It never led to good things in a league were status is more important than titles.

It's not like I share that perspective but it's how it works for most players, agents, media...


Kawhi has done far more wrong yet I don’t see you harping as much on that side. Odd.

This is not about who did it more wrong...Both sides made mistakes. Now, it's time to move on and try to make things work in a trade, in an extension, whatever...

For Spurs' sake, the "good people" should close their mouths.

[Mugen]

You haven't been paying attention. They've already played that card. It didn't work. The draft went by, and Kawhi is still here.

The period between 1 July and training camp has very little effect on "the team", so they can wait Magic and his minions out. Magic IS actually under the gun, needing to wrap up signings quickly after FA.


As MB said, the shit trades will be there any time. No need to rush.

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Uncle still has a couple more cards to play and they'll do it soon if RC/Pop keep up this narrative. It'll be "Kawhi will only re-sign with the Lakers" and then the ball is back in the Spurs' court and they'll fold.

[Marcus Bryant]

He won't be a Laker in any universe. Someone will always gamble like OKC with Paul George, too easy to beat LA's offer so it's just impossible he ends up there.

The Sixers will probably be the first.

[exstatic]

Nah, it's been "prefer the Lakers"...

They're liable to drop the hammer and escalate their demands any day now. And RC/Pop will cave. They care too much about PR and the integrity of the organization that as soon as the tide turns and people start turning against the Spurs for "holding Kawhi hostage." (the LA driven media will push this narrative tbh), he's gone.

I hope i'm wrong but it'll happen. RC and Pop don't have the stomach for this.

You don't know who Gregg Popovich is, at all.

[TD 21]

LOL going to the emotion card when I bring up that it's a ton of money and a huge commitment that could badly backfire without giving much upside. I'm conditioning on the only two possible events to explain this season: (1) he really couldn't get healthy coming back from a minor injury, in which case he'll probably be hurt again next season and impossible to trade or (2) he hates the team so much he held out for a season, in which case he's going to demand a trade in a year when the Spurs will be allowed to move him and will need to take $38 million worth of assets back. So not only do you get nothing approaching equal value as we have seen in the vast majority of superstar trades ever executed, you also get to take on a shit contract that puts you in the luxury tax just like if you kept Leonard.


I would absolutely want to have a motivated, healthy, and committed Kawhi at the expense of being in the luxury tax, but I don't want 45 cents on the dollar and still paying luxury tax in the best case.

The only way it could backfire, is if he suffers another significant injury or reinjury in the first year of it. Short of that, they'd either retain a top 5 player signed for the next half decade or be able to command a significant return for him. They wouldn't have to take bad a bad contract(s). Either he'd be traded to a team with the cap space to make a lopsided trade financially or if the team acquiring him lacked that, it would be incumbent on them to find a third team and provide them with the requisite asset(s) to take whatever unwanted salary into their cap space.



I don't think Kawhi and his status were going to affect the Spurs Free Agency plans either way.

There's no rats leaving a sinking ship with Green not opting out.

Gay opted out but I think that was expected because he can actually get more than the mle with a non-bird raise from the Spurs

They were going to have the MLE to work with in every situation that didn't involve salary dumping Mills and junking Gasol

MLE split for Milutinov and other small pieces, either that or mle for Noel as a favor to Dejounte's agent

Spurs were never in play for Cousins or George, and there's not many free agents who would even get minutes on the team.

Market so bad, Dedmon opted in for next year.

Yeah, I agree. The only other pivot point is if Aldridge requests a trade again if Leonard is dealt. If they don't think that will happen or are inclined to keep him either way, then Gay re-signing for 2 years (maybe with a partial guarantee on a 3rd) bumped up to $10.2M annually, is probably happening.

[cd98]

I don't think Deng will come back (that would just mean the front office is just completely incompetent). But they'll cave to LA.

Wouldn't surprise me if Uncle and the group start leaking that they will only re-sign with the Lakers and that should force RC/Pop's hand pretty quickly.

Ingram/Kuz and some garbage picks. It sucks but I don't think RC and Pop have the stomach for this as i've said many times. This entire drama affects the rest of the team and they won't be held hostage by Kawhi. He'll be a Laker when free agency starts.

Salaries have to match up in the trade. Deng would have to be included. I think that's why it's easy for the Spurs to say no.

[K...]

The only way kawhi can reestablish the upper hand is to play, but cancer it up. Then the Spurs have to intervene and ban him or trade him.

[look_at_g_shred]

Honestly, i hope this gets worked out and he stays..but not for the supermax.

[Mugen]

You don't know who Gregg Popovich is, at all.

You're still thinking of "CIA Pop" of the 2014 and earlier days. He's changed a lot since then.

Post championship Pop has definitely lost his edge and who know how he is now after the death of his wife. He doesn't have the stomach for this.

[jmard5]

They are opting for the "wait it out" strategy and daring the Uncle Dennis to continue the "rehab" charade for another season..

This dumbfuck might destroy his nephew by making him sit out another year of his prime, though :lol..

Ball is on their court. They already reported that Kawhi is 100% healthy. Wonder what's the excuse next time.

[cd98]

The only way kawhi can reestablish the upper hand is to play, but cancer it up. Then the Spurs have to intervene and ban him or trade him.

I don't know that any teams, including the Lakers, would be good with that and it would destroy his marketability. I mean, maybe people forget once he scores his first 30 point game, but I think it's a bad idea to be a cancer. I mean, he's injury-prone and then he gets a bad rep for being a cancer. And then you can see the Spurs leak out all kinds of bad stuff about him as well. I just don't think that's realistic.

Kawhi isn't getting traded to the Lakers. His best bet is to work with the Spurs to find a place that will mutually benefit both sides.

[TD 21]

Interesting that the 76ers acquired the Heat's unprotected '21 1st (given their long term outlook, that could be valuable) and the Suns gave up that pick to acquire Bridges, who plays the same position as Jackson and Warren (I realize they can all play some together, but they're all primarily SFs). If it comes to a trade and the Celtics play hardball with Brown, I think Jackson will be the focus . . .

76ers receive: Leonard
Spurs receive: Jackson, Bender, Heat unprotected '21 1st (via 76ers)
Suns receive: Fultz, Covington

A minor piece or two to Spurs (Anderson, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Bolden, Pasecniks, 2nds, etc.) could be added to fill it out.

[Mugen]

Look, I hope I'm wrong but I really doubt it. LMA was a nice recovery for them but this is on another level.

To steal a line from the Godfather, RC and present-day Pop aren't war time consiglieris tbh

[Spur|n|Austin]

I’m fine with Ingram if LA can do other this and get a few more assets.

Then move LMA for Josh Jackson

After the dust settles and Kawhi and LMA are gone end up with:

Ingram + other assets + Josh Jackson or

Fultz + Zhaire + Saric + Josh Jackson or

Jaylen Brown + asset + Josh Jackson

All things considered, I like these options tbh

[r0drig0lac]

Interesting that the 76ers acquired the Heat's unprotected '21 1st (given their long term outlook, that could be valuable) and the Suns gave up that pick to acquire Bridges, who plays the same position as Jackson and Warren (I realize they can all play some together, but they're all primarily SFs). If it comes to a trade and the Celtics play hardball with Brown, I think Jackson will be the focus . . .

76ers receive: Leonard
Spurs receive: Jackson, Bender, Heat unprotected '21 1st (via 76ers)
Suns receive: Fultz, Covington

A minor piece or two to Spurs (Anderson, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Bolden, Pasecniks, 2nds, etc.) could be added to fill it out.

why would the Suns do this?

[r0drig0lac]

You're still thinking of "CIA Pop" of the 2014 and earlier days. He's changed a lot since then.

Post championship Pop has definitely lost his edge and who know how he is now after the death of his wife. He doesn't have the stomach for this.

so he should retire

[Mr. Body]

Look, I hope I'm wrong but I really doubt it. LMA was a nice recovery for them but this is on another level.

To steal a line from the Godfather, RC and present-day Pop aren't war time consiglieris tbh

I don't see LMA traded at all, either. Doesn't make sense.

[Marcus Bryant]

Nah, it's been "prefer the Lakers"...

They're liable to drop the hammer and escalate their demands any day now. And RC/Pop will cave. They care too much about PR and the integrity of the organization that as soon as the tide turns and people start turning against the Spurs for "holding Kawhi hostage." (the LA driven media will push this narrative tbh), he's gone.

I hope i'm wrong but it'll happen. RC and Pop don't have the stomach for this.

That preference implies that's where he wants to be and would re-sign. Stating that is not really a big card to drop. Any potential trade partner is reading that the same way.

[TD 21]

why would the Suns do this?

Maybe they wouldn't because of the risk surrounding Fultz, but . . .

- They don't have a starting PG.
- They'd still have Bridges and Warren at SF, while adding Covington.
- They don't really have a starting PF, either.
- They could play Covington and Warren at it more .
- Covington and Bridges theoretically fit perfectly around Booker, Ayton, Fultz.
- Given what they gave up for Bridges, they probably have a bigger role for him in mind than what appears available.

[benefactor]

Without Kawhi, Pops is the only reason why anyone would want to play for Spurs imo
Don't listen to ducks. He's just feeling some kind of way because :cry P:cryp is a meenie t:cry Trump :cry

[exstatic]

You're still thinking of "CIA Pop" of the 2014 and earlier days. He's changed a lot since then.

Post championship Pop has definitely lost his edge and who know how he is now after the death of his wife. He doesn't have the stomach for this.

Post championship and wife's death Pop has nothing better to do that fuck Magic up the ass. TBH, Magic would probably enjoy it.

This is only partially about Kawhi. This whole scenario has Magic's sloppy finger prints all over it. Even if there were some proof, the league would do virtually nothing about it. Pop will get his own justice by spiking the Laker superteam.

[BackHome]

Damn I was hoping we would do trade with Philly and get Bridges.

[Mugen]

Post championship and wife's death Pop has nothing better to do that fuck Magic up the ass. TBH, Magic would probably enjoy it.

This is only partially about Kawhi. This whole scenario has Magic's sloppy finger prints all over it. Even if there were some proof, the league would do virtually nothing about it. Pop will get his own justice by spiking the Laker superteam.

I hope you're right man, i really do.

[DPG21920]

Salaries have to match up in the trade. Deng would have to be included. I think that's why it's easy for the Spurs to say no.

No they don’t. La has cap space. They can get Kawhi and send nothing back technically

[Spurs 4 The Win]

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Uncle still has a couple more cards to play and they'll do it soon if RC/Pop keep up this narrative. It'll be "Kawhi will only re-sign with the Lakers" and then the ball is back in the Spurs' court and they'll fold.
They have already said they will only re-sign with Lakers

[exstatic]

I hope you're right man, i really do.

Pop's job out of the AF Academy was military intelligence, during the cold war. He was paid to out think and counter the Russians, who produce the greatest chess players in the world. There is more than a grain of truth when people say that PATFO is playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers. Magic, Uncle Dennis, and the Lincoln agent aren't up to the task.

[spurs10]

Don't listen to ducks. He's just feeling some kind of way because :cry P:cryp is a meenie t:cry Trump :cry :lol Good advice.

[spurs10]

They have already said they will only re-sign with Lakers They might be free to do that next season. The Spurs are not wanting to trade him apparently which is likely the smart move. The Spurs paid $19 million + on his rehab and want him to fulfill his contract it would seem.

[cd98]

No they don’t. La has cap space. They can get Kawhi and send nothing back technically

Not according to my trade machine efforts.

[sasaint]

so he should retire

He and RC are gonna finish the job on the Spurs that they started with Pau and Patty before they hand over the reins to the next regime.

[exstatic]

No they don’t. La has cap space. They can get Kawhi and send nothing back technically

Not if they want the super team. They need to use the cap space to sign LeBron and PG13. Then, they think they will force Deng down our throats. Not happening.

[DPG21920]

Not according to my trade machine efforts.

Trust me.

[DPG21920]

Not if they want the super team. They need to use the cap space to sign LeBron and PG13. Then, they think they will force Deng down our throats. Not happening.

I know but I was making a very important technical point.

[YGWHI]

Pop's job out of the AF Academy was military intelligence, during the cold war. He was paid to out think and counter the Russians, who produce the greatest chess players in the world. There is more than a grain of truth when people say that PATFO is playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers. Magic, Uncle Dennis, and the Lincoln agent aren't up to the task.

I wonder if this is why that RJ deal worked that well or why we ended with $48M contract for a 37 years old player, without talking about future Parker's deal...

I guess PATFO isn't infallible as some people think but agree with you they're great chess players. To keep young talented players in SA next seasons I just expect they play Fortnite that well too

[Marcus Bryant]

Not if they want the super team. They need to use the cap space to sign LeBron and PG13. Then, they think they will force Deng down our throats. Not happening.

There's always teams who will take that chance even for a one season rental of a superstar player with opportunity to persuade to sign long term. Philly's rather clearly in the hunt for Leonard and can provide good value in return.

[objective]

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Uncle still has a couple more cards to play and they'll do it soon if RC/Pop keep up this narrative. It'll be "Kawhi will only re-sign with the Lakers" and then the ball is back in the Spurs' court and they'll fold.

I know others have chimed in, but I'll add the link.

They already played that card 2 days ago, Spurs didn't blink on draft night.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23846966/gregg-popovich-flying-california-attempt-meet-kawhi-leonard


He has privately maintained that he no longer wants to play in San Antonio and will eventually alert rival teams considering trades for him that his intention is to sign in Los Angeles when he can become a free agent in 2019, league sources said.

Telling WOJ and Shelbourne that Kawhi will 'eventually' tell teams he'll only sign with the Lakers is immediately telling teams he'll only sign with the Lakers.

[objective]

Interesting that the 76ers acquired the Heat's unprotected '21 1st (given their long term outlook, that could be valuable) and the Suns gave up that pick to acquire Bridges, who plays the same position as Jackson and Warren (I realize they can all play some together, but they're all primarily SFs). If it comes to a trade and the Celtics play hardball with Brown, I think Jackson will be the focus . . .

76ers receive: Leonard
Spurs receive: Jackson, Bender, Heat unprotected '21 1st (via 76ers)
Suns receive: Fultz, Covington

A minor piece or two to Spurs (Anderson, Luwawu-Cabarrot, Bolden, Pasecniks, 2nds, etc.) could be added to fill it out.


Seems like every time someone proposes a new deal it just gets worse for the Spurs

So now the Spurs would only get Jackson, bust Bender, and a 2021 first from Miami that could be who knows where?

no thanks for me

[Marcus Bryant]

The Spurs card to play is to move Leonard to the Sixers and in the process help steer LeBron there. That strikes at the heart of the matter and the only way Leonard is traded is if he's not extended. It's not that appealing but if the return is Fultz Saric Zahire and the Heat pick that's a decent return in this situation.

True CIA Pop would be landing LeBron.

[YGWHI]

Well, it's not like other teams aren't playing their cards as well...

Brett said that "the progress of Fultz shot is looking great" buuuut "he wouldn't play in Summer League" and it's not likely they'll give their #21 for Kawhi this summer.

I wonder why he doesn't want him in SL when he said in May it would be a priority to have him playing this summer.

Or Fultz is still injured and Brett doesn't want other teams realize it before a trade...Or he's healthy and other team asks Brett -in advanced trade talks- not to risk injury

He traveled to LA twice in last ten days to "see Fultz shooting" and now to join Embiid/Simmons for NBA Awards show.

I wonder how he plays chess...

[TD 21]

Seems like every time someone proposes a new deal it just gets worse for the Spurs

So now the Spurs would only get Jackson, bust Bender, and a 2021 first from Miami that could be who knows where?

no thanks for me

Most of this board seems oblivious to the consensus from some of the most connected people in the business (media and executives alike), which is, if it comes to it, they're not getting a massive return.

Unfortunately, something along these lines is probably the best they can do. It's underwhelming obviously, but it's basically the equivalent of a 4th pick, a mid 1st and a pick that could be mid 1st or higher.

This is all the more reason or incentive to have a pseudo (at least for now; the proof would be in the pudding next season) reconciliation and sign him to the DPE/super max.

[exstatic]

The Spurs card to play is to move Leonard to the Sixers and in the process help steer LeBron there. That strikes at the heart of the matter and the only way Leonard is traded is if he's not extended. It's not that appealing but if the return is Fultz Saric Zahire and the Heat pick that's a decent return in this situation.

True CIA Pop would be landing LeBron.

I don't think there's any chance of LeBron here, but I wouldn't put it past Pop to tell Bron "Kawhi isn't being traded to the LAL" in the meeting. Lay it out that they're willing to drag this to the trade deadline, and even let him walk to maximally F Magic. Make it not a recruiting meeting but an un-recruiting for the Lakers meeting.

[JPB]

Correct. Leonard under contract for 4+ seasons is a much more valuable asset and you are likely to realize commensurate value.


I don't understand why so many posters here cannot grasp that concept. The best thing that can happen is Kawhi signing an extension. If he still wants out, you trade him and actually get a real return for him.

You do that, and you're putting a lot of pressure on yourself.

If he wants out, you REALLY have to trade him (or you're keeping a disgruntled SM player) which gives leverage to suitors.

And if he doesn't, do you REALLY want to give him the SM and put the reigns and future of your franchise in his hands considering all the health (physical, mental) and commitment issues ?

Then , if you think there are big chances he wanna leave anyway (as his camp stated), do you REALLY want to please and reward him for his behavior ?

[Marcus Bryant]

To be fair, let's not forget that a CIA Pop move once was to show up on the back of a donkey at Radosoft's summer hut in Slovenia at the start of free agency.

[spurschamps99030507]

In all the speculations, the big question for uncle Dennis is if he and Kawhi Leonard are the most stupid in the history of sport in l 80 million in his prime, it would be the most stupid and absurd in the history of world sport.

[Marcus Bryant]

Most of this board seems oblivious to the consensus from some of the most connected people in the business (media and executives alike), which is, if it comes to it, they're not getting a massive return.

Unfortunately, something along these lines is probably the best they can do. It's underwhelming obviously, but it's basically the equivalent of a 4th pick, a mid 1st and a pick that could be mid 1st or higher.

This is all the more reason or incentive to have a pseudo (at least for now; the proof would be in the pudding next season) reconciliation and sign him to the DPE/super max.

Spurs just have to prove that they aren't going to cave to conventional wisdom. Not that hard.

[cjw]

Not if they want the super team. They need to use the cap space to sign LeBron and PG13. Then, they think they will force Deng down our throats. Not happening.

Had they sat on Mozgov’s deal for another year (not that the cap space was at ALL valuable last year) they’d still have Russell, which while redundant with Lonzo, was a real asset and could have tipped the scales on a trade or been used to move off of Deng this year.

Market this year to dump Mozgov one year closer to FA was two second round picks plus absorbing Dwight Howard. Could have probably gotten off Howard’s deal pretty easily too as he’s only got one year left.

In other words, having Ingram, Ball, Kuzma AND Russell as chips. One short, it’s just not as attractive. And now Randle isn’t even a tradeable asset.

Amazing what two bad signatures cost that franchise. Well three if you count Kobe’s thank you deal.

[Marcus Bryant]

I don't think there's any chance of LeBron here, but I wouldn't put it past Pop to tell Bron "Kawhi isn't being traded to the LAL" in the meeting. Lay it out that they're willing to drag this to the trade deadline, and even let him walk to maximally F Magic. Make it not a recruiting meeting but an un-recruiting for the Lakers meeting.

Yep. Or just, hey, we're thinking about Philly and I heard you were too...

[TD 21]

Spurs just have to prove that they aren't going to cave to conventional wisdom. Not that hard.

Yeah, for now . . . eventually, a decision is going to have to be made though, which is why I keep stressing if it comes to a trade, something like what I said is the likely package.

They've technically got until February 7th, but really October 16th is the day, if it drags on that long. He either has to be signed to the DPE/super max by then or traded by the trade deadline.

[Vic Petro]

Most of this board seems oblivious to the consensus from some of the most connected people in the business (media and executives alike), which is, if it comes to it, they're not getting a massive return.

Unfortunately, something along these lines is probably the best they can do. It's underwhelming obviously, but it's basically the equivalent of a 4th pick, a mid 1st and a pick that could be mid 1st or higher.

This is all the more reason or incentive to have a pseudo (at least for now; the proof would be in the pudding next season) reconciliation and sign him to the DPE/super max.

All these people have a horse in the race. They all benefit from driving Kawhi’s price down. The executives for obvious reasons. The media because they want a story, and the Spurs having to trade Kawhi for pennies on the dollar resulting in his making the Lakers relevant again is a huge win for the media. Their sources are the same executives who want to drive down the price. Everyone wins except the Spurs.

Deadlines spur action and teams eventually get desperate. If Lebron chooses Philadelphia or Boston, it’s going to turn into an arms race between those two. Lebron and free agency in general controls a lot of this. I wouldn’t take a shitty deal until I have to.

[Dex]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkV4uy3H7K4/?taken-by=sanantoniozoo

SA Zoo just trolling now. :lol

[DPG21920]

Well, it's not like other teams aren't playing their cards as well...

Brett said that "the progress of Fultz shot is looking great" buuuut "he wouldn't play in Summer League" and it's not likely they'll give their #21 for Kawhi this summer.

I wonder why he doesn't want him in SL when he said in May it would be a priority to have him playing this summer.

Or Fultz is still injured and Brett doesn't want other teams realize it before a trade...Or he's healthy and other team asks Brett -in advanced trade talks- not to risk injury

He traveled to LA twice in last ten days to "see Fultz shooting" and now to join Embiid/Simmons for NBA Awards show.

I wonder how he plays chess...

Good thing Pop and SA are so widely respected. Brown would not lie or screw pop over. He will be honest about Fultz. The relationship won’t equate to PHI doing something dumb but they won’t lie.

[Marcus Bryant]

Still, Pop managing to recruit LeBron and reconcile with Leonard would mindfuck so many media types.

[Marcus Bryant]

Good thing Pop and SA are so widely respected. Brown would not lie or screw pop over. He will be honest about Fultz. The relationship won’t equate to PHI doing something dumb but they won’t lie.

Philly can put together a nice package given the circumstances.

[ace3g]

Did anyone see that Aldridge interview on KSAT - he was at some race track wearing full race suit - at the end of the interview he was asked if he had any comments for any of his current teammates. He responded "Nope" with a smirk.

[ace3g]

Still, Pop managing to recruit LeBron and reconcile with Leonard would mindfuck so many media types.

+ 1

[DPG21920]

Philly can put together a nice package given the circumstances.

For sure. I’d sign up right now for Fultz + Zhaire + Saric. Find a taker for Mills or Danny and let TP go.

Murray, White, Fultz, Lonnie + one of Danny/Mills would be incredible potential.

[Mr. Body]

Did anyone see that Aldridge interview on KSAT - he was at some race track wearing full race suit - at the end of the interview he was asked if he had any comments for any of his current teammates. He responded "Nope" with a smirk.

Dude, LeBron is coming for sure!

[RD2191]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkV4uy3H7K4/?taken-by=sanantoniozoo

SA Zoo just trolling now. :lol

That shit is good :lol

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Then good people is acting very stupid and ruining Spurs' options.

There is no need to burn bridges before to finish a deal with other team. Like it or not, this is a mistake.

The Spurs can bash him all they want after trade him but they should have kept classy and polite until then...

Like I've said before I expected way more from the best sport organization in the world. At least, being smarter than this.

GTFOH. Spurs are nothing but class.

Leonard screwed himself. His actions, not the Spurs led to this mess.

[NASpurs]

:lol

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[TheDoctor]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkV4uy3H7K4/?taken-by=sanantoniozoo

SA Zoo just trolling now. :lol
#TheSavagery :lol

[YGWHI]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkV4uy3H7K4/?taken-by=sanantoniozoo

SA Zoo just trolling now. :lol

"ZooNotShoes"...Damn this is so great. :lol

On other hand, def Kawhi is gone

[YGWHI]

GTFOH. Spurs are nothing but class.

Leonard screwed himself. His actions, not the Spurs led to this mess.

Kawhi's camp attitute is unprofessional but if you think teams should wash dirty laundry in public and Spurs' comments in front media helped to this situation...

[YGWHI]

Good thing Pop and SA are so widely respected. Brown would not lie or screw pop over. He will be honest about Fultz. The relationship won’t equate to PHI doing something dumb but they won’t lie.

So you think he's healthy and Brett isn't playing him in SL because other team asked him it? Also, he's in LA now..I like Spurs' chances in a trade with them :tu

[Pavlov]

Kawhi's camp attitute is unprofessional but if you think teams should wash dirty laundry in public and Spurs' comments in front media helped to this situation...Kawhi has a group.

Parker's injury was worse.

Why would anyone get angry about this?

[DPG21920]

So you think he's healthy and Brett isn't playing him in SL because other team asked him it? Also, he's in LA now..I like Spurs' chances in a trade with them :tu

I don’t know what to read about it; was just making a larger point.

[Dex]

Kawhi has a group.

Parker's injury was worse.

Why would anyone get angry about this?

Spurs were apparently supposed to sugarcoat and cover for a guy who was giving them the big middle finger to keep him happy. :rolleyes

People acting like Kawhi did no wrong here are oblivious to reality. Dude basically robbed the org of $17M and tanked our season, and now he has tanked his trade value while demanding out.

:cry But but but the Spurs made some snarky comments about him so this is the Spurs fault. :cry

LMA was crucified around here for far less and he handled his business like a man.

[spursreport]

For sure. I’d sign up right now for Fultz + Zhaire + Saric. Find a taker for Mills or Danny and let TP go.

Murray, White, Fultz, Lonnie + one of Danny/Mills would be incredible potential.

Wtf? Why? Fultz is another damn combo guard. That would be nothing but redundancy. No thanks. God people wanting these shitty deals and for what purpose? To stay mediecore?

[YGWHI]

Kawhi has a group.

Parker's injury was worse.

Why would anyone get angry about this?

I've said this before. It's a status thing. Doesn't matter what happens, a team doesn't question its franchise player in public.

They could make his life harder in private without the need to say a word in public.

Again, questioning a franchise player in front media never led to good things nor helped to maintain a healthy relationship.

[SpursWoman]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BkV4uy3H7K4/?taken-by=sanantoniozoo

SA Zoo just trolling now. :lol

Dayum :lol

[YGWHI]

People acting like Kawhi did no wrong here are oblivious to reality.

"People" said BOTH sides handled this badly.

"People" never said Kawhi did well at the same time that "people" can admit the Spurs aren't perfect and make mistakes as well.

[NASpurs]

LaVar already melting down :lol

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[tholdren]

LaVar already melting down :lol

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In other news hes carrying the ball but most likely not called

[YGWHI]

Wtf? Why? Fultz is another damn combo guard. That would be nothing but redundancy. No thanks. God people wanting these shitty deals and for what purpose? To stay mediecore?

Like the Spurs don't need a guard who can score...They don't have any one now.

DJ needs to keep improving his shot, most times Patty and Danny can't hit an ocean, Manu and Parker are done...Walker & White are great prospects who wouldn't play more tan 15' this season.

[YGWHI]

LaVar already melting down :lol

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Lakers can't trade Lonzo because...no one team wants him.

[tholdren]

Lakers can't trade Lonzo because...no one team wants him.

But hes in the nba.... best talent? Sad make nba great again

[Russ]

Lakers can't trade Lonzo because...no one team wants him.

Nah, the Lakers found a taker for their other #2 pick in the entire draft, Deangelo Russell.

They'll find a home for Lonzo.

[spurs10]

LaVar already melting down :lol

1010311306660937733 16 people can't be wrong! For once I'm with LaVar, please stay with the Lakers! :lol

[YGWHI]

Nah, the Lakers found a taker for their other #2 pick in the entire draft, Deangelo Russell.

They'll find a home for Lonzo.

I really doubt it, we'll see.

[tholdren]

Nah, the Lakers found a taker for their other #2 pick in the entire draft, Deangelo Russell.

They'll find a home for Lonzo.

Its sad how terrible dangelo was and hes better than ball. Todays nba is such a pos

[Dex]

"People" said BOTH sides handled this badly.

"People" never said Kawhi did well at the same time that "people" can admit the Spurs aren't perfect and make mistakes as well.

The comments certainly didn't help the matter. Both sides made mistakes.

But if you want to dole out blame here, the majority falls on Kawhi and "his group".

With the way Kawhi handled this, he didn't really deserve for the Spurs to have his back...I don't care if he is the "franchise player". He just turned his back on his franchise, and that wasn't over two innocuous comments made by Parker and Pop.

[tonight...you]

Huh... Looks like I haven't missed much...


Kawhi do what now?

[spursreport]

Like the Spurs don't need a guard who can score...They don't have any one now.

DJ needs to keep improving his shot, most times Patty and Danny can't hit an ocean, Manu and Parker are done...Walker & White are great prospects who wouldn't play more tan 15' this season.

So your solution is to trade Kawhi for a guard? Good grief go get prison raped by a large black with aids without lube more than once so that the trauma forces you to want to off yourself, faggot.

[tonight...you]

So your solution is to trade Kawhi for a guard? Good grief go get prison raped by a large black with aids without lube more than once so that the trauma forces you to want to off yourself, faggot.
I can see things have certainly calmed down around these parts...

[FkLA]

Did anyone see that Aldridge interview on KSAT - he was at some race track wearing full race suit - at the end of the interview he was asked if he had any comments for any of his current teammates. He responded "Nope" with a smirk.

LMAlpha :worthy:

[tholdren]

I can see things have certainly calmed down around these parts...

Not sure whats better, kl leaving or kl fans getting the business

[YGWHI]

The comments certainly didn't help the matter. Both sides made mistakes.

But if you want to dole out blame here...

Dont wanna.


two innocuous comments made by Parker and Pop.
I guess there isn't anything like fortuitous nor accidental on a Pop's team.

[YGWHI]

So your solution is to trade Kawhi for a guard? Good grief go get prison raped by a large black with aids without lube more than once so that the trauma forces you to want to off yourself, faggot.

Could be a waste of time but I'll try to reason with you.

Our team doesn't have any decent guard outside DJ, Fultz could fix a Spurs' need.

If you ask me I would trade Kawhi just for a LeBron's level talent but it wont happen in this world so the Spurs have to maximize what they can get for Kawhi.

Anyways, what's your dream-trade scenario?

[tonight...you]

Not sure whats better, kl leaving or kl fans getting the business
Lol... I'mma haffa do some reading, I see.
And KL's leaving is a good thing? Not a good teammate? A destructive part of the plan?
He was injured, and now feels slighted by something a mummy said and how his coach wouldn't snuggle with his issues, while the team doctors said he's ready to go? Right?
I got that right?

[tholdren]

Lol... I'mma haffa do some reading, I see.
And KL's leaving is a good thing? Not a good teammate? A destructive part of the plan?
He was injured, and now feels slighted by something a mummy said and how his coach wouldn't snuggle with his issues, while the team doctors said he's ready to go? Right?
I got that right?
See new bruce bowen interview on espn. Everything i have said since he sat at beginnging of year

[tonight...you]

See new bruce bowen interview on espn. Everything i have said since he sat at beginnging of year
Right on... heading down to Hades...

[tholdren]

Right on... heading down to Hades...

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23876933/bruce-bowen-rips-kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-not-one-said-anything

[LkrFan]

Bruce Lee Bowen was on the radio talking shit about Kiwi. That's not gonna sit well with Uncle Fester :lol

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I hope current and former SA related players keep their mouth shut about Kawhi because if there is still a chance the relationship can somehow be fixed it would be a shame to have it take another step back due to unnecessary comments.

[tholdren]

Bruce Lee Bowen was on the radio talking shit about Kiwi. That's not gonna sit well with Uncle Fester :lol

This is why i like bruce. He waited too long to say this

[tholdren]

I hope current and former SA related players keep their mouth shut about Kawhi because if there is still a chance the relationship can somehow be fixed it would be a shame to have it take another step back due to unnecessary comments.

No way. Call him out. He should have been traded in december

[tonight...you]

What a crappy situation...

[RD2191]

I hope current and former SA related players keep their mouth shut about Kawhi because if there is still a chance the relationship can somehow be fixed it would be a shame to have it take another step back due to unnecessary comments.

Tbh

[tholdren]

Tbh

Only idiots want this drama back

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I wonder if this is why that RJ deal worked that well or why we ended with $48M contract for a 37 years old player, without talking about future Parker's deal...

I guess PATFO isn't infallible as some people think but agree with you they're great chess players. To keep young talented players in SA next seasons I just expect they play Fortnite that well too

Lol. The butthurt is strong in you.

[K...]

I hope current and former SA related players keep their mouth shut about Kawhi because if there is still a chance the relationship can somehow be fixed it would be a shame to have it take another step back due to unnecessary comments.

Disagree, their best shot is to get kawhi to man up and throw uncle in a dumpster. Reminding him of the champion culture will help

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Seems like every time someone proposes a new deal it just gets worse for the Spurs

So now the Spurs would only get Jackson, bust Bender, and a 2021 first from Miami that could be who knows where?

no thanks for me

[FkLA]

I hope current and former SA related players keep their mouth shut about Kawhi because if there is still a chance the relationship can somehow be fixed it would be a shame to have it take another step back due to unnecessary comments.

Have some fucking pride. He and his incompetent group have spent the past year trying to assassinate the character of the best organization in sports, yet everyone needs to be careful with what they say about him. Fuck off.

[YGWHI]

Lol. The butthurt is strong in you.

Not really. Like most fans here I've been critical of these Spurs' moves before this Kawhi's issue. It's not like I say those are bad deals just because they lose Kawhi..

[tonight...you]

Welp... *smack smack* looks like nothing's going to happen for a hot minute on this front.

Guess I'll read the draft stuff.

[tholdren]

Have some fucking pride. He and his incompetent group have spent the past year trying to assassinate the character of the best organization in sports, yet everyone needs to be careful with what they say about him. Fuck off.

[Leetonidas]

Have some fucking pride. He and his incompetent group have spent the past year trying to assassinate the character of the best organization in sports, yet everyone needs to be careful with what they say about him. Fuck off.

[LkrFan]

I hope current and former SA related players keep their mouth shut about Kawhi because if there is still a chance the relationship can somehow be fixed it would be a shame to have it take another step back due to unnecessary comments.

Bruce Lee didn't get the memo:

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This is not good son. :nope

[tholdren]

Bruce Lee didn't get the memo:

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This is not good son. :nope

Unless youre a spurs fan. Not good if you are a kl fan.

[daslicer]

Bruce Lee didn't get the memo:

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This is not good son. :nope

If we are being real here he was never going to say in SA due to his uncle. It's pretty much already over. If I'm the Spurs I just go Trump on him for a whole entire year and deliver character assassinations on him and just have fun with it.

[spursistan]

Have some fucking pride. He and his incompetent group have spent the past year trying to assassinate the character of the best organization in sports, yet everyone needs to be careful with what they say about him. Fuck off.

[spursistan]

I hope current and former SA related players keep their mouth shut about Kawhi because if there is still a chance the relationship can somehow be fixed it would be a shame to have it take another step back due to unnecessary comments.
Congratulations on joining the asswiping crew.

You guys almost have no dignity. It like you never had Tim fuckin Duncan.

What's next, you want a 70 year-old man--still mourning the death of his wife-- go kiss the feet of this retarded boy and his illiterate uncle?

[Leetonidas]

Bruce Lee didn't get the memo:

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This is not good son. :nope

Bruce Bowen is a Los Angeles Clippers announcer :lol he's not even connected to the spurs anymore hermano

[YGWHI]

Bruce Lee didn't get the memo:

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This is not good son. :nope

I remember when Bruced picked Draymond over Kawhi when he won his second DPOY.

Can't imagine three guys happier than LMA, Parker and Bruce right now.

LMA will get all the touches for the rest of his career, Parker has been successful running a teammate out SA again, and Bruce doesn't have to see Kawhi winning awards in a Spur uni anymore..:D Good for them! :lol

[gambit1990]

I hope current and former SA related players keep their mouth shut about Kawhi because if there is still a chance the relationship can somehow be fixed it would be a shame to have it take another step back due to unnecessary comments.
yeah, it just does more harm than good.

it's nonsensical to me that so many act like they know exactly what has transpired in regards to kawhi's health, the kawhi/spurs relationship.

[tonight...you]

Congratulations on joining the asswiping crew.

You guys almost have no dignity. It like you never had Tim fuckin Duncan.

What's next, you want a 70 year-old man--still mourning the death of his wife-- go kiss the feet of this retarded boy and his illiterate uncle?
Wash their feet... Let's go all-in and get Biblical here. Maybe a little bit of Noah's incest... just to spice things up.

[benefactor]

What's next, you want a 70 year-old man--still mourning the death of his wife-- go kiss the feet of this retarded boy and his illiterate uncle?
"Good father? Fuck you...go play with your kids."

[LkrFan]

Bruce Bowen is a Los Angeles Clippers announcer :lol he's not even connected to the spurs anymore hermano

:lol

[spurs1990]

I don’t know if ST is a skewed representation of the worldwide Spurs fan base at large but if it is Leonard has no better than a 10% favorable rating among us.

That can obviously be irrelevant since only RC/Gregg control if he plays here again but from a PR standpoint Lenard's stock is continuing to plummet. Like to a volcanic crater level.

It's just so pathetic to see his Spurs career fizzle out like this.

[Mr. Body]

Bruce Lee didn't get the memo:

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This is not good son. :nope

If Leonard can't take some soft criticism, he's going to blow away like a feather soon and isn't worth any large contract. Guy needs to man up and take some flack.

[Mr. Body]

I don’t know if ST is a skewed representation of the worldwide Spurs fan base at large but if it is Leonard has no better than a 10% favorable rating among us.

That can obviously be irrelevant since only RC/Gregg control if he plays here again but from a PR standpoint Lenard's stock is continuing to plummet. Like a to a volcanic crater level.

It's just so pathetic to see his Spurs career fizzle out like this.

It's his own damn fault. I've never seen a big player give up on his team like this. The Spurs have reacted the way any other franchise would have reacted throughout sports history. I don't get this era of the NBA. I don't get Durant, I don't get Leonard. Fucking babies.

[cd98]

Bruce isn’t the spokesman for the Spurs. But he has a right to an opinion and he shares that same opinion with half the city.

[Joseph Kony]

I remember when Bruced picked Draymond over Kawhi when he won his second DPOY.

Can't imagine three guys happier than LMA, Parker and Bruce right now.

LMA will get all the touches for the rest of his career, Parker has been successful running a teammate out SA again, and Bruce doesn't have to see Kawhi winning awards in a Spur uni anymore..:D Good for them! :lol

it's pretty impressive that you're able to type so well with your eyes crusted shut from Kawhitter's dried jizz

[Marcus Bryant]

Kawhi, blink twice if you can hear us.

[ducks]

If Leonard can not handle Bruce how can he handle la media ?

[MoSpur02]

If Kawhi is that sensitive that a former Spur's comments hurt his feelings then why would you want him as the leader of your franchise?

R.C Buford said how much they want him on the Spurs. I'm sure Pop has mentioned it to him too. I'm sure guys on the team have told him the same. Thats the only thing that matters. Not what former Spurs say. If he cares about what they say then I wouldn't follow someone like him.

[tonight...you]

If Leonard can not handle Bruce how can he handle la media ?
They'll adore him.
All of a sudden he'll be an ironman. It will be amazing. He'll be their next Kobe and they'll throw it in our faces.
Enjoy the ride.

[spursistan]

it's pretty impressive that you're able to type so well with your eyes crusted shut from Kawhitter's dried jizz

:lmao..


"Good father? Fuck you...go play with your kids."
Shit is unreal. I don't know what more dirty things Uncle Dumbass and his snake nephew need to do next for these gullibe Spursfans to quit slurping..

I mean you can still hope they hug it out in the end, but stop lowering yourself to these idiots. Not even the biggest cancers in the annals of the league have done something this outrageous in terms of not only quitting on a team but DOUBLING DOWN on it

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You do that, and you're putting a lot of pressure on yourself.

If he wants out, you REALLY have to trade him (or you're keeping a disgruntled SM player) which gives leverage to suitors.

And if he doesn't, do you REALLY want to give him the SM and put the reigns and future of your franchise in his hands considering all the health (physical, mental) and commitment issues ?

Then , if you think there are big chances he wanna leave anyway (as his camp stated), do you REALLY want to please and reward him for his behavior ?

Boom.

[Mr. Body]

If Leonard can not handle Bruce how can he handle la media ?

He can't.

And fuck Trump.

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Had they sat on Mozgov’s deal for another year (not that the cap space was at ALL valuable last year) they’d still have Russell, which while redundant with Lonzo, was a real asset and could have tipped the scales on a trade or been used to move off of Deng this year.

Market this year to dump Mozgov one year closer to FA was two second round picks plus absorbing Dwight Howard. Could have probably gotten off Howard’s deal pretty easily too as he’s only got one year left.

In other words, having Ingram, Ball, Kuzma AND Russell as chips. One short, it’s just not as attractive. And now Randle isn’t even a tradeable asset.

Amazing what two bad signatures cost that franchise. Well three if you count Kobe’s thank you deal.

'Do it Mitch' deserves our thanks. No, our praise. In fact, he should be hailed as a God with what for the League. It was almost equal in paying back the League for the theft in the Pau trade.

[baseline bum]

Bruce Lee didn't get the memo:

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This is not good son. :nope

Bruce Bowen works for the Clippers now, maybe he's sabotaging West.

[apalisoc_9]

Go do your thang Kawhi :tu

[ducks]

He can't.

And fuck Trump.

Yeah how dare he get more done in 511 days then last 3 presidents

[baseline bum]

Yeah how dare he get more done in 511 days then last 3 presidents

Holding campaign rallies every month isn't getting shit done. :lol

[tonight...you]

Go do your thang Kawhi :tu
Props... you were his biggest player fan after you wanted to trade him for Ariza and some other goob.
Right on, homie.

[Dingle Barry]

Have some fucking pride. He and his incompetent group have spent the past year trying to assassinate the character of the best organization in sports, yet everyone needs to be careful with what they say about him. Fuck off.

Fucking this!

[tonight...you]

Yeah how dare he get more done in 511 days then last 3 presidents
Interesting...