Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[Keepin' it real]

Oh it's true, it's damn true.

https://i.imgflip.com/p5s5j.jpg

[Marcus Bryant]

Former competent agent negotiates max extension, good relationship with team.

Uncle convinces Leonard to fire him, now relationship destroyed and Leonard could lose out on up to almost $100 mil.

[ducks]

Former competent agent negotiates max extension, good relationship with team.

Uncle convinces Leonard to fire him, now relationship destroyed and Leonard could lose out on up to almost $100 mil.
Leonard should run back now to ex agent
If he did spurs would max him

[coachmac87]

Kawhi Leonard story could be the next Tyron Smith story...


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotread141125/dallas-cowboys-tyron-smith-gets-control-battling-family-money

[FkLA]

Former competent agent negotiates max extension, good relationship with team.

Uncle convinces Leonard to fire him, now relationship destroyed and Leonard could lose out on up to almost $100 mil.

Someone needs to interview the former uncle after all their legal shit is done with. I'm sure he'd be eager to spill everything he knows.

[jjktkk]

Was looking for the link to the podcast since I was about to listen to it all and came across this on reddit:

:tu

[Das Texan]

The information being provided by Wright is absolutely incredible. When this is all said and done, this story can easily be sold as a book.

Why cant the EN writers have 1/10 the talent of Wright?

Damn I miss Ludden.

[coachmac87]

Former competent agent negotiates max extension, good relationship with team.

Uncle convinces Leonard to fire him, now relationship destroyed and Leonard could lose out on up to almost $100 mil.

Pop tells Kawhi.... “Keep Uncle D get 4yr/140M....or cut bait with Uncle D and get 5yr/221M”

[TimDunkem]

Why cant the EN writers have 1/10 the talent of Wright?

Damn I miss Ludden.

What's the incentive? They get to keep their jobs with the trash they "write" as it is.

[FkLA]

Kawhi Leonard story could be the next Tyron Smith story...


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotread141125/dallas-cowboys-tyron-smith-gets-control-battling-family-money

Damn, Tyron Smith is from Moreno Valley just like Kawhi too.

[Mikeanaro]

Yeah, hard to believe that somehow he's not aware of what's going on.
Yeah but he behaves like a child, like dont wanna see Pop, why? is he going to scream to him? make him do some poo poo?
Then wants to go to Lakers, now it seems its not a good idea because Lebron is there.
If he doesnt give a fuck its ok, but does he thinks he is the best player ever assembled in human history?

[baseline bum]

What's the incentive? They get to keep their jobs with the trash they "write" as it is.

I doubt they'll keep them much longer. How much time you think the Express News has left?

[TimDunkem]

I doubt they'll keep them much longer. How much time you think the Express News has left?

Not much time if there is any fairness in this world.

[Das Texan]

I doubt they'll keep them much longer. How much time you think the Express News has left?

The overall coverage in that rag gets worse by the day all the while the price consistently increases.

[SupremeGuy]

Damn, Tyron Smith is from Moreno Valley just like Kawhi too.That is odd...

[raybies]

IMO They are intent on playing the long game. By putting all the cards on the table they are attempting to see who's got the best hand. Simple poker tactics in a high stakes match. They are putting the pressure on Uncle to call, which we all can safely assume he's been bluffing thus far. If he calls and doesn't have the better hand, whatever rep his group had will take a severe hit. The backlash will be intense wherever he goes and they will have lost respect all throughout the league which has endorsement reprocussions as well marketing sabotage. As for the Spurs they will have alleviated the only card they(Kawhi's Group) had which was the victim card. When people realize it was just a stunt it may have one of few affects. For example PATFO would've gained the leverage to threaten "We'll see you in camp." With no protection and players required to be made available to the media, there will be a field day around him. That's a lot of tough questions and no one is gonna protect him. He can talk or the fines start. Most know in politics the tough questions can make you break. That's a whole lot of pressure for someone who's not well built to handle that kind of scrutiny. So in this scenario Spurs gain leverage. Open your demands or face the music. I really feel Kawhi's group is in over their heads... Another affect is for him to save face come clean and resign, similar to Aldridge. LMA rebuilt his rep throughout the league for working it out and establishing himself as one of the best players in the league. ALL NBA... I think once Uncle Dennis realized what's really about to happen he'll advise Kawhi to be open minded about his move or resigning for the Super or somewhere near it to save face would be in his best interest. I just don't see them wanting to make it to come to camp at any cost. They save themselves a lot by avoiding that scenario.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Kawhi might want to check on his money, tbh.

i would

[jjktkk]

Someone photoshop Kawhi's face and Spurs staffers to this gif please :lol

1014977478102679553

:rollin

[TXstbobcat]

Done deal.

:rollin

[ducks]

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-kawhi-leonards-people-resorted-hiding-spurs-personnel-rehab-check-015615764.html

Kawhi Leonard's team resorted to extreme measures when the San Antonio Spurs came calling during his rehab process.

[cd021]

Welp.

1015030046539599899

terrible trade tbh; Kyrie apparently wants to go to the Knicks, Spurs would be in the same spot in less than a year and it's unclear if the Kings pick was offered, for all we know, it was the Celtics 2019 pick.

[TekXX]

Someone photoshop Kawhi's face and Spurs staffers to this gif please :lol

1014977478102679553

You sure that's not Kawhi?

[SAGirl]

Full podcast notes:

— Spurs wanted sit-down early on to air everything out but were afraid to approach Kawhi’s team because they didn’t want to be perceived as trying to rush him back

— Mike Wright tells the late all-star game story and pins it right on Uncle Dennis. Said traffic was so bad they walked from the hotel to the arena.

— Kawhi’s group feels Spurs are too controlling, but Wright and hosts point out that Uncle Dennis has no frame of reference to compare to. Mike Wright concurs with a statement that Uncle Dennis is “clueless”

— Host says this is a lesson in everything not to do in handling a young superstar

— Host asks if this is, at its core, about lack of trust over the misdiagnosis. Mentions Kawhi also sought a 2nd opinion on his wrist injury in 2014 so this may be a long standing issue between player and team. Mike Wright thinks that’s the essence of it, but the major component is Uncle Dennis fanning the flames. Spurs admit they may have fucked up injury diagnosis, but they can’t be sure because they lost control of rehab on Aug 8th. Wright mentions the rumor that Kawhi shopped around for doctors

— Spurs reps were in New York during rehab but had no say or input on rehab at that point

— It’s fair to question what’s going on from Kawhi’s side both from a management perspective and a medical perspective. Spurs were in the dark medically all year.

— There was a point last year when Spurs flew to New York but as soon as they walked in the building, Kawhi’s team “sequestered” him so the Spurs couldn’t see him. Wright said he shouldn’t tell that story but he thinks Kawhi is gone so it doesn’t matter

— What was impetus for Spurs handing over rehab in August? Kawhi felt the rehab exercises were hurting him worse. He went and got multiple opinions, then Spurs handed over rehab

— Spurs could not get a hold of Kawhi when he visited China. Spurs wanted to send team security, but everything changed for them when they couldn’t reach him in China

— Wright says Spurs gave Kawhi an inch by giving up control of rehab, and Kawhi took a mile. Host says of course every team would want to control their franchise player’s rehab. That’s not controlling to want to do that. Wright thinks Spurs were too accommodating in giving up rehab and Kawhi took advantage of them.

— The Spurs still don’t know what they want to do with him. Don’t know if they’ll keep him or when they’ll trade him

— Seems obvious that a path to reconciliation is the Supermax. But is there a guarantee Kawhi and Uncle Dennis won’t pull this again 3 months later? “It’s a band-aid on a gunshot wound.” Wright says too risky to offer a supermax now.

— Co-host says Kawhi’s people really screwed this up. Contrasts him to Lebron in saying that Lebron is not a fool, but Kawhi is being a fool and being played. Ultimately it’s on Kawhi because he has the power to change it

— Wright says the Spurs are going to do what’s best for them regardless. It’s not about what Kawhi wants for them anymore.

— Wright says the Ingram/Kuzma/Hart/Picks package was accurate but he heard Spurs asked for 4 picks and not 2 picks and 2 pick swaps

— Wright said Spurs just want Kawhi alone in a room and can’t get it. Everything is going through Dennis and Spurs aren’t sure what really comes from Kawhi and what’s just Dennis

— All agree it’s just a bad idea to mix family and business

— Host asks if Kawhi is staying off the court because he’s worried teams will be scared off that his level of play has dropped or he’s still injured? Wright said it’s gone off the rails and no one knows. He thinks Kawhi should keep the Uncle on the payroll but just not be represented by him.

— Wright doesn’t think anything gets done anytime soon because the Spurs don’t want to trade him. Both sides in a bad spot

— How much did Pop’s comments contribute to Kawhi’s unhappiness? (Host mistakenly thinks Pop made the “100 times worse” comment). Wright says comments were not meant to be critical of Kawhi. Tony’s ultimate message was “be positive.” Wright was standing there and knew it was going to get exaggerated. Kawhi’s taking offense to that and using that as a reason to want a trade is just an excuse

— Wright says he talked to a high ranking Spurs official 2 days ago and that person did not know the context of the “100 times worse” comment. He knew the quote but had never watched the interview in its entirety for context

— Might be tough to sell vets on Kawhi returning because Kawhi and his team kept giving false dates as to when he’d return. It would be this game, then that game, then that game. Moving target. That’s what led to Ginobili comments. After series with GSW previous year, vets thought the team could be competitive for a ring and Kawhi said “fuck it.” Then Kawhi shows up for picture day, leaves before shootaround, and they basically don’t see him again

— Wright knew it was over when Kawhi requested trade. Before that, team thought they could fix it. Wright wonders if Pop would have been able to focus more on repairing the relationship had he not been dealing with aftermath of wife’s death.

— All Kawhi had to say from the beginning is “I don’t want to play in San Antonio.” Instead it’s a littany of excuses for why he wants out. Spurs went out of their way to protect him. How many media markets can your star player go 2 months without making a comment? Once Spurs couldn’t protect him anymore he started looking bad. Wright doesn’t see a reconciliation

— Co-host suggests team promises to trade Kawhi, but explains to him that he has to restore his value by playing. They’ll update him on trade talks every week. Wright says they may not be able to even get to that conversation. He says all the reports about Uncle Dennis are not exaggerations. He can’t even tell most of the stories of the various wild an unorthodox things Uncle Dennis has requested

— Wright says Kawhi wants the Clippers, but he thinks a dark horse team will wind up with him. Clippers are a mismatch as a trade partner. Wright wants him to go to LA though and experience that media so he knows how good he had it in San Antonio. Skipping interviews is not an option in LA. 10x more reporters focused on him, and wait until “Lonzo’s Daddy” says something about him. Will he think the team betrayed him when they don’t protect him from the media like the Spurs did?
thanks for the summary. Appreciated.
:bobo

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Full podcast notes:

— Spurs wanted sit-down early on to air everything out but were afraid to approach Kawhi’s team because they didn’t want to be perceived as trying to rush him back

— Mike Wright tells the late all-star game story and pins it right on Uncle Dennis. Said traffic was so bad they walked from the hotel to the arena.

— Kawhi’s group feels Spurs are too controlling, but Wright and hosts point out that Uncle Dennis has no frame of reference to compare to. Mike Wright concurs with a statement that Uncle Dennis is “clueless”

— Host says this is a lesson in everything not to do in handling a young superstar

— Host asks if this is, at its core, about lack of trust over the misdiagnosis. Mentions Kawhi also sought a 2nd opinion on his wrist injury in 2014 so this may be a long standing issue between player and team. Mike Wright thinks that’s the essence of it, but the major component is Uncle Dennis fanning the flames. Spurs admit they may have fucked up injury diagnosis, but they can’t be sure because they lost control of rehab on Aug 8th. Wright mentions the rumor that Kawhi shopped around for doctors

— Spurs reps were in New York during rehab but had no say or input on rehab at that point

— It’s fair to question what’s going on from Kawhi’s side both from a management perspective and a medical perspective. Spurs were in the dark medically all year.

— There was a point last year when Spurs flew to New York but as soon as they walked in the building, Kawhi’s team “sequestered” him so the Spurs couldn’t see him. Wright said he shouldn’t tell that story but he thinks Kawhi is gone so it doesn’t matter

— What was impetus for Spurs handing over rehab in August? Kawhi felt the rehab exercises were hurting him worse. He went and got multiple opinions, then Spurs handed over rehab

— Spurs could not get a hold of Kawhi when he visited China. Spurs wanted to send team security, but everything changed for them when they couldn’t reach him in China

— Wright says Spurs gave Kawhi an inch by giving up control of rehab, and Kawhi took a mile. Host says of course every team would want to control their franchise player’s rehab. That’s not controlling to want to do that. Wright thinks Spurs were too accommodating in giving up rehab and Kawhi took advantage of them.

— The Spurs still don’t know what they want to do with him. Don’t know if they’ll keep him or when they’ll trade him

— Seems obvious that a path to reconciliation is the Supermax. But is there a guarantee Kawhi and Uncle Dennis won’t pull this again 3 months later? “It’s a band-aid on a gunshot wound.” Wright says too risky to offer a supermax now.

— Co-host says Kawhi’s people really screwed this up. Contrasts him to Lebron in saying that Lebron is not a fool, but Kawhi is being a fool and being played. Ultimately it’s on Kawhi because he has the power to change it

— Wright says the Spurs are going to do what’s best for them regardless. It’s not about what Kawhi wants for them anymore.

— Wright says the Ingram/Kuzma/Hart/Picks package was accurate but he heard Spurs asked for 4 picks and not 2 picks and 2 pick swaps

— Wright said Spurs just want Kawhi alone in a room and can’t get it. Everything is going through Dennis and Spurs aren’t sure what really comes from Kawhi and what’s just Dennis

— All agree it’s just a bad idea to mix family and business

— Host asks if Kawhi is staying off the court because he’s worried teams will be scared off that his level of play has dropped or he’s still injured? Wright said it’s gone off the rails and no one knows. He thinks Kawhi should keep the Uncle on the payroll but just not be represented by him.

— Wright doesn’t think anything gets done anytime soon because the Spurs don’t want to trade him. Both sides in a bad spot

— How much did Pop’s comments contribute to Kawhi’s unhappiness? (Host mistakenly thinks Pop made the “100 times worse” comment). Wright says comments were not meant to be critical of Kawhi. Tony’s ultimate message was “be positive.” Wright was standing there and knew it was going to get exaggerated. Kawhi’s taking offense to that and using that as a reason to want a trade is just an excuse

— Wright says he talked to a high ranking Spurs official 2 days ago and that person did not know the context of the “100 times worse” comment. He knew the quote but had never watched the interview in its entirety for context

— Might be tough to sell vets on Kawhi returning because Kawhi and his team kept giving false dates as to when he’d return. It would be this game, then that game, then that game. Moving target. That’s what led to Ginobili comments. After series with GSW previous year, vets thought the team could be competitive for a ring and Kawhi said “fuck it.” Then Kawhi shows up for picture day, leaves before shootaround, and they basically don’t see him again

— Wright knew it was over when Kawhi requested trade. Before that, team thought they could fix it. Wright wonders if Pop would have been able to focus more on repairing the relationship had he not been dealing with aftermath of wife’s death.

— All Kawhi had to say from the beginning is “I don’t want to play in San Antonio.” Instead it’s a littany of excuses for why he wants out. Spurs went out of their way to protect him. How many media markets can your star player go 2 months without making a comment? Once Spurs couldn’t protect him anymore he started looking bad. Wright doesn’t see a reconciliation

— Co-host suggests team promises to trade Kawhi, but explains to him that he has to restore his value by playing. They’ll update him on trade talks every week. Wright says they may not be able to even get to that conversation. He says all the reports about Uncle Dennis are not exaggerations. He can’t even tell most of the stories of the various wild an unorthodox things Uncle Dennis has requested

— Wright says Kawhi wants the Clippers, but he thinks a dark horse team will wind up with him. Clippers are a mismatch as a trade partner. Wright wants him to go to LA though and experience that media so he knows how good he had it in San Antonio. Skipping interviews is not an option in LA. 10x more reporters focused on him, and wait until “Lonzo’s Daddy” says something about him. Will he think the team betrayed him when they don’t protect him from the media like the Spurs did?

:tu
black name this spur fan i said

[Spurs da champs]

terrible trade tbh; Kyrie apparently wants to go to the Knicks, Spurs would be in the same spot in less than a year and it's unclear if the Kings pick was offered, for all we know, it was the Celtics 2019 pick.

Didn't Kyrie list Spurs as a destination when he wanted trade from Cavs? He could potentially lure a Texan in Jimmy Butler to SA ala LMA, just a pipedream tho.

[gospursgojas]

I hate to say it but it’s painfully obvious now.......

Kawhi is a slow adult


It's ok to say he's retarded or I guess you can say in PC terms he's mentally challenged.

https://www.dfps.state.tx.us/Adult_Protection/

Tbh

[spurs10]

If any of this is true, fucking WOW--he was cashing checks and they were pulling this kind of shit?? Yeah if true there needs to be a lawsuit to return that money because it's fraud. Sounds like bullshit.

[Spurs9]

Kemba still looking to be moved?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y6ufjg8l

Add in some 1st rounders.

[TekXX]

Someone photoshop Kawhi's face and Spurs staffers to this gif please :lol

1014977478102679553

You sure that's not Kawhi?

[rasuo214]

Former competent agent negotiates max extension, good relationship with team.

Uncle convinces Leonard to fire him, now relationship destroyed and Leonard could lose out on up to almost $100 mil.

His former agent had issues with the Spurs not offering Kawhi the max right away (opting to wait a year so they could sign LMA).

[SAGirl]

Well it's obvious Pop doesn't want to trade him.

Despite every media reporter affirming they would be surprised to see him in training camp, I wouldn't. It doesn't seem like the Spurs yet know which way this is going to go but their intention is to keep him.

[loveforthegame]

Thanks for the recaps. :tu

Am I reading this right? The Spurs still have no report on Kawhi’s rehab? They’ve let this slide almost a year without asking the league to step in? Or whatever proper channels they need to go through to get a report on their own employee?

[tholdren]

Well it's obvious Pop doesn't want to trade him.

Despite every media reporter affirming they would be surprised to see him in training camp, I wouldn't. It doesn't seem like the Spurs yet know which way this is going to go but their intention is to keep him.

No shit

[Payote75]

This whole situation is one contradiction after another such a sorted story. Quite frankly I'm going to side with the orginization they have been one of the classiest model impressive orginizations in all of professional sports there personnel is sprinkled all over the league and so many of these teams play or try to emulate everything about this orginization. All they have accomplished as a small market team one would think they were a big market they have held there own over the years with the likes of the fakers have outshined the sixers, Bulls, Knicks, etc. not to mention they know how to and have extended many careers but now all the sudden that is gone because of one player???? Let's not let our love for our superstar blind us and turn on everything this club has done for the league, the players, and most importantly us the fans.
i would gladly take Irving and chance it he is former Texas player I believe (if I'm wrong someone correct me please). He and Aldridge make us relevant still and I believe damn good actually not to mention I would rather spend our efforts wooing him to stay and putting our efforts into that in the hopes of him staying which he very well could since he we were on that list and he could lure butler or other FA. What I find so ironic is if they (his group) want this dude out so bad why do they keep ruining his trade value? Changing his preferred teams? And lowering his value. It almost seems like they trying for the opposite scenario of a trade they sabotaging his value making it difficult for the Spurs to trade him basically backing them into a corner to offer that supermax. I'm not sure what to think anymore I just want this over.

[ceperez]

Full podcast notes:

— Spurs wanted sit-down early on to air everything out but were afraid to approach Kawhi’s team because they didn’t want to be perceived as trying to rush him back

— Mike Wright tells the late all-star game story and pins it right on Uncle Dennis. Said traffic was so bad they walked from the hotel to the arena.

— Kawhi’s group feels Spurs are too controlling, but Wright and hosts point out that Uncle Dennis has no frame of reference to compare to. Mike Wright concurs with a statement that Uncle Dennis is “clueless”

— Host says this is a lesson in everything not to do in handling a young superstar

— Host asks if this is, at its core, about lack of trust over the misdiagnosis. Mentions Kawhi also sought a 2nd opinion on his wrist injury in 2014 so this may be a long standing issue between player and team. Mike Wright thinks that’s the essence of it, but the major component is Uncle Dennis fanning the flames. Spurs admit they may have fucked up injury diagnosis, but they can’t be sure because they lost control of rehab on Aug 8th. Wright mentions the rumor that Kawhi shopped around for doctors

— Spurs reps were in New York during rehab but had no say or input on rehab at that point

— It’s fair to question what’s going on from Kawhi’s side both from a management perspective and a medical perspective. Spurs were in the dark medically all year.

— There was a point last year when Spurs flew to New York but as soon as they walked in the building, Kawhi’s team “sequestered” him so the Spurs couldn’t see him. Wright said he shouldn’t tell that story but he thinks Kawhi is gone so it doesn’t matter

— What was impetus for Spurs handing over rehab in August? Kawhi felt the rehab exercises were hurting him worse. He went and got multiple opinions, then Spurs handed over rehab

— Spurs could not get a hold of Kawhi when he visited China. Spurs wanted to send team security, but everything changed for them when they couldn’t reach him in China

— Wright says Spurs gave Kawhi an inch by giving up control of rehab, and Kawhi took a mile. Host says of course every team would want to control their franchise player’s rehab. That’s not controlling to want to do that. Wright thinks Spurs were too accommodating in giving up rehab and Kawhi took advantage of them.

— The Spurs still don’t know what they want to do with him. Don’t know if they’ll keep him or when they’ll trade him

— Seems obvious that a path to reconciliation is the Supermax. But is there a guarantee Kawhi and Uncle Dennis won’t pull this again 3 months later? “It’s a band-aid on a gunshot wound.” Wright says too risky to offer a supermax now.

— Co-host says Kawhi’s people really screwed this up. Contrasts him to Lebron in saying that Lebron is not a fool, but Kawhi is being a fool and being played. Ultimately it’s on Kawhi because he has the power to change it

— Wright says the Spurs are going to do what’s best for them regardless. It’s not about what Kawhi wants for them anymore.

— Wright says the Ingram/Kuzma/Hart/Picks package was accurate but he heard Spurs asked for 4 picks and not 2 picks and 2 pick swaps

— Wright said Spurs just want Kawhi alone in a room and can’t get it. Everything is going through Dennis and Spurs aren’t sure what really comes from Kawhi and what’s just Dennis

— All agree it’s just a bad idea to mix family and business

— Host asks if Kawhi is staying off the court because he’s worried teams will be scared off that his level of play has dropped or he’s still injured? Wright said it’s gone off the rails and no one knows. He thinks Kawhi should keep the Uncle on the payroll but just not be represented by him.

— Wright doesn’t think anything gets done anytime soon because the Spurs don’t want to trade him. Both sides in a bad spot

— How much did Pop’s comments contribute to Kawhi’s unhappiness? (Host mistakenly thinks Pop made the “100 times worse” comment). Wright says comments were not meant to be critical of Kawhi. Tony’s ultimate message was “be positive.” Wright was standing there and knew it was going to get exaggerated. Kawhi’s taking offense to that and using that as a reason to want a trade is just an excuse

— Wright says he talked to a high ranking Spurs official 2 days ago and that person did not know the context of the “100 times worse” comment. He knew the quote but had never watched the interview in its entirety for context

— Might be tough to sell vets on Kawhi returning because Kawhi and his team kept giving false dates as to when he’d return. It would be this game, then that game, then that game. Moving target. That’s what led to Ginobili comments. After series with GSW previous year, vets thought the team could be competitive for a ring and Kawhi said “fuck it.” Then Kawhi shows up for picture day, leaves before shootaround, and they basically don’t see him again

— Wright knew it was over when Kawhi requested trade. Before that, team thought they could fix it. Wright wonders if Pop would have been able to focus more on repairing the relationship had he not been dealing with aftermath of wife’s death.

— All Kawhi had to say from the beginning is “I don’t want to play in San Antonio.” Instead it’s a littany of excuses for why he wants out. Spurs went out of their way to protect him. How many media markets can your star player go 2 months without making a comment? Once Spurs couldn’t protect him anymore he started looking bad. Wright doesn’t see a reconciliation

— Co-host suggests team promises to trade Kawhi, but explains to him that he has to restore his value by playing. They’ll update him on trade talks every week. Wright says they may not be able to even get to that conversation. He says all the reports about Uncle Dennis are not exaggerations. He can’t even tell most of the stories of the various wild an unorthodox things Uncle Dennis has requested

— Wright says Kawhi wants the Clippers, but he thinks a dark horse team will wind up with him. Clippers are a mismatch as a trade partner. Wright wants him to go to LA though and experience that media so he knows how good he had it in San Antonio. Skipping interviews is not an option in LA. 10x more reporters focused on him, and wait until “Lonzo’s Daddy” says something about him. Will he think the team betrayed him when they don’t protect him from the media like the Spurs did?

Just insane! Unheard of!! There's no way Kawhi can play in L.A.. You can't have Lebron, Lavar and Uncle Dennis all in the same room. Just totally insane!

[Payote75]

Btw why not a trade that looks like this Irving pick and sign and trade smart (seems like they aren't keeping him and he is unhappy) for kiwi and gasol or mills if they want either of the two.

opinions???

[ducks]

I want Leonard for max with his former agent with team option in year 4

[cd021]

Didn't Kyrie list Spurs as a destination when he wanted trade from Cavs? He could potentially lure a Texan in Jimmy Butler to SA ala LMA, just a pipedream tho.

That was a year ago, probably with the idea of playing with Kawhi and under Pop, that's irrelevant now considering that he would be moved for Kawhi and he has already been linked to the Knicks. Ainge is reportedly worried about re-signing him, PATFO would be in the same spot but with a worse player. If Kyrie were to leave, all the Spurs would have to show is a pick, and for all we know its a bad pick-like -27th or 28th next year.

Hayward, Kings Picks, Memphis pick, is probably the asking price from PATFO-at least, if Boston is adamant on not including Tatum and Brown.

[Payote75]

I want Leonard for max with his former agent with team option in year 4

In a perfect world I would want him signed to but let's be honest Spurs are built on heart and kiwi seems to have lost his how do you take him back after this three ring circus??? It's like a bad breakup/divorce after cheating.

[Marcus Bryant]

https://nbpa.com/becoming-an-agent/

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6qetokXjFYvamN1TldhRGttNDAxME9NQ0NmNUozR08ydDJV/view

[Vic Petro]

Thanks for the recaps. :tu

Am I reading this right? The Spurs still have no report on Kawhi’s rehab? They’ve let this slide almost a year without asking the league to step in? Or whatever proper channels they need to go through to get a report on their own employee?

There is actually some ambiguity here. Wright said multiple times that the Spurs lost control of rehab in August and were generally in the dark throughout the season. But later, he made the same suggestion Woj made in his podcast, about the Sixers likely having the best info because it’s their team doctor who oversaw the rehab. Thankfully though this time the host brought up HIPAA violations and conflicts of interest there. Wright kind of laughed that off and intimated the Sixers have the info, and said something like “besides the Spurs and Sixers, everyone else is in the dark” which suggests the Spurs are at least somewhat in the know.

[Payote75]

That was a year ago, probably with the idea of playing with Kawhi and under Pop, that's irrelevant now considering that he would be moved for Kawhi and he has already been linked to the Knicks. Ainge is reportedly worried about re-signing him, PATFO would be in the same spot but with a worse player. If Kyrie were to leave, all the Spurs would have to show is a pick, and for all we know its a bad pick-like -27th or 28th next year.

Hayward, Kings Picks, Memphis pick, is probably the asking price from PATFO-at least, if Boston is adamant on not including Tatum and Brown.

I hear ya and typically I would agree but I'd take my chances and he would be playing with Aldridge and still have pop and could lure his buddy butler. And what about the Celtics adding smart to the trade in a sign and trade and us adding gasol or mills. I would do that Spurs efforts would be all good intention a fresh start not this cancerous situation that is so toxic.

[MannyIsGod]

If true, Ainge is a savage for trying to dump kyrie just a year after he traded for him, but the not surprising. It'd easily be the right move.


Wonder which pick was offered though.

Did you miss what Ainge did to IT? This is nothing compared to that.

[loveforthegame]

There is actually some ambiguity here. Wright said multiple times that the Spurs lost control of rehab in August and were generally in the dark throughout the season. But later, he made the same suggestion Woj made in his podcast, about the Sixers likely having the best info because it’s their team doctor who oversaw the rehab. Thankfully though this time the host brought up HIPAA violations and conflicts of interest there. Wright kind of laughed that off and intimated the Sixers have the info, and said something like “besides the Spurs and Sixers, everyone else is in the dark” which suggests the Spurs are at least somewhat in the know.

Thank you for further explanation. I appreciate it.

[Payote75]

Kawhi Leonard not that into Clippers (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1193704/)https://usathoopshype.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/i_52_7d_09_kawhi-leonard.png?w=90Adrian Wojnarowski: “I’ve been told that one of the reasons [Kawhi Leonard] looks at going to the Clippers – is a little less motivated [to go to the Clippers] is because initially, the idea of Los Angeles was fine to him – he preferred the Lakers but was all right with the Clippers – but now that LeBron James is there, the idea of going head-to-head with LeBron – to have Kawhi with the Clippers and LeBron with the Lakers, and to maybe feel dwarfed by that – I’m told that’s become far less appealing for him.” (http://art19.com/shows/thewojpod/episodes/d8deef48-1c98-47e1-9c44-aa59217c2869)
19 hours ago (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1193704/) – via The Vertical (http://art19.com/shows/thewojpod/episodes/d8deef48-1c98-47e1-9c44-aa59217c2869)

Top Rumors (https://hoopshype.com/category/top-rumors/), Kawhi Leonard (https://hoopshype.com/player/kawhi-leonard/), LeBron James (https://hoopshype.com/player/lebron-james/), Los Angeles Clippers (https://hoopshype.com/team/los-angeles-clippers/), Los Angeles Lakers (https://hoopshype.com/team/los-angeles-lakers/), San Antonio Spurs (https://hoopshype.com/team/san-antonio-spurs/)
(https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1193704/)
This rumor is part of a storyline: 10 more rumors (https://hoopshype.com/storyline/kawhi-leonard-to-clippers/)
this is what I mean lakers yes then no doesn't want to play with bron .....clippers yes now no cause he doesn't want to be dwarfed by bron......so if he doesn't want lakes or clippers how does he want to go back home???? It's like it's all being done to screw with his value in a trade so Spurs keep hi and offer supermax.....and if not then he gets to leave his choice.....but this is nuts!!'n

[daslicer]

Kawhi Leonard not that into Clippers (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1193704/)https://usathoopshype.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/i_52_7d_09_kawhi-leonard.png?w=90Adrian Wojnarowski: “I’ve been told that one of the reasons [Kawhi Leonard] looks at going to the Clippers – is a little less motivated [to go to the Clippers] is because initially, the idea of Los Angeles was fine to him – he preferred the Lakers but was all right with the Clippers – but now that LeBron James is there, the idea of going head-to-head with LeBron – to have Kawhi with the Clippers and LeBron with the Lakers, and to maybe feel dwarfed by that – I’m told that’s become far less appealing for him.” (http://art19.com/shows/thewojpod/episodes/d8deef48-1c98-47e1-9c44-aa59217c2869)
19 hours ago (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1193704/) – via The Vertical (http://art19.com/shows/thewojpod/episodes/d8deef48-1c98-47e1-9c44-aa59217c2869)

Top Rumors (https://hoopshype.com/category/top-rumors/), Kawhi Leonard (https://hoopshype.com/player/kawhi-leonard/), LeBron James (https://hoopshype.com/player/lebron-james/), Los Angeles Clippers (https://hoopshype.com/team/los-angeles-clippers/), Los Angeles Lakers (https://hoopshype.com/team/los-angeles-lakers/), San Antonio Spurs (https://hoopshype.com/team/san-antonio-spurs/)
(https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1193704/)
This rumor is part of a storyline: 10 more rumors (https://hoopshype.com/storyline/kawhi-leonard-to-clippers/)
this is what I mean lakers yes then no doesn't want to play with bron .....clippers yes now no cause he doesn't want to be dwarfed by bron......so if he doesn't want lakes or clippers how does he want to go back home???? It's like it's all being done to screw with his value in a trade so Spurs keep hi and offer supermax.....and if not then he gets to leave his choice.....but this is nuts!!'n

Him and his group are having a meltdown. Originally it was LA or bust but now in both scenarios they are conflicted. With the Lakers the conflict is that Kawhi won't get to be the man and would have to play in Lebron's shadows. With the Clippers it is that Kawhi would not have a good supporting cast that would allow him to compete for a title. Clearly him and his group are a retarded bunch.

[cjw]

His former agent had issues with the Spurs not offering Kawhi the max right away (opting to wait a year so they could sign LMA).

So basically what the Warriors have been doing to build a dominant roster...

Right thing to do by the team but the agent was actually right to be angry. But Spurs did hold up their end of the bargain and also gave that fifth year as a P.O.

[Marcus Bryant]

If you're the Spurs do you make a $221MM commitment to a player who apparently held out on you last season, has demanded a trade, threatened to hold out next season, and apparently cannot have a direct conversation with you?

[Amuseddaysleeper]

The Spurs should not trade Kawhi.

I think all Pop and RC want is alone time with Kawhi (cue George Michael's "Careless Whisper")

The problem is that Kawhi's moronic uncle is there all the time. However once the season starts you'd think it would be much easier to get in a room with Pop and RC since he's uncle can't be on the court or at all the practices.

If there is even a 1% chance the relationship can be fixed is to keep him on the team and see where it goes. I know people worry about the locker room dynamics but the team isn't doing jack shit with this roster anyway. Spurs don't have much to lose and maybe once Kawhi gets playing again he'll start to change his mind.

If not, trade him by the deadline, but right now there isn't any package worth pursuing for Kawhi.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

If you're the Spurs do you make a $221MM commitment to a player who apparently held out on you last season, has demanded a trade, threatened to hold out next season, and apparently cannot have a direct conversation with you?

A lot would obviously need to change, Kawhi's behavior has been unacceptable. Both sides would need to make some compromises moving forward. If Pop and RC seem to be fine when they are just dealing with Kawhi on his own according to Michael C Wright then maybe something can be salvaged.

But I think the Spurs need Kawhi FAR MORE than Kawhi needs the Spurs. Franchise players don't grow on trees.

[polandprzem]

If you're the Spurs do you make a $221MM commitment to a player who apparently held out on you last season, has demanded a trade, threatened to hold out next season, and apparently cannot have a direct conversation with you?

If all of you saying is true.
IMO they are so experienced they can make a decision on relationship we are not sure how looks.

[Marcus Bryant]

Entering last season there was 3 yrs $60 million left on his contract and that didn't seem to matter.

[picnroll]

Leonard will probably have a full on nervous breakdown if he has to meet with Pop without Uncle Denny there to hold his hand.

[loveforthegame]

Can’t the Spurs bar Uncle Dennis from the facility or something?

[Vic Petro]

If you're the Spurs do you make a $221MM commitment to a player who apparently held out on you last season, has demanded a trade, threatened to hold out next season, and apparently cannot have a direct conversation with you?

Akin to buying a Tiffany’s diamond for a “dancer” named Roxxy. Full of lies, emotionally unstable, multiple partners. Don’t ask me how I know.

[Marcus Bryant]

Holding out in the NBA is rare. A player not playing for a playoff team and potential contender when he could is unheard of. Going from that to paying him $200+ million?

[Play Boban]

Maybe Kawhitter would stay if Poop was replaced by Uncle Dennis tbh

[loveforthegame]

If you're the Spurs do you make a $221MM commitment to a player who apparently held out on you last season, has demanded a trade, threatened to hold out next season, and apparently cannot have a direct conversation with you?

I’d say no but I guess it depends on how desperate the Spurs want to keep a superstar on the team for as long as they can. Despite Wright’s damning report it sounds like the Spurs still want a shot at repairing the relationship.

Pop is such a no BS guy I’m surprised they enabled the behavior for so long. Any other player and they’d been shipped out for a bag of peanuts just to unload the problem.

[apalisoc_9]

The relationship is irrepairable. The Spurs have shown no willingness to treat a modern superstar like any modern superstar.

Unless that changes, Dennis will not accept it.

Kawhis preference is to be traded so he cam build a name for himself.

[daslicer]

Leonard will probably have a full on nervous breakdown if he has to meet with Pop without Uncle Denny there to hold his hand.

That's why Uncle Denny is throwing fits and threatening to sit out Kawhi for next season if the Spurs don't trade Kawhi. Spurs are doing the right thing by standing their ground. Pop will eventually be able to get that one on one with Kawhi once the regular season starts whether its in practice or on the road. This is what clearly scares Uncle Denny.

[jehawk81]

If you're the Spurs do you make a $221MM commitment to a player who apparently held out on you last season, has demanded a trade, threatened to hold out next season, and apparently cannot have a direct conversation with you?

Hell naw! If this was Kobe, Carmelo or Dwight doing something like this to the Lakers or some other team we hate, we'd be LOAO at the disaster waiting to happen that would cripple that franchise for a few years.

Play him, run him to the ground, trade him or whatever, but don't Super Max him

[Play Boban]

Its funny how all off a sudden spursfans believe a random ass reporter with no real.proof to his stories.
But we should believe you? :lol

[jehawk81]

The relationship is irrepairable. The Spurs have shown no willingness to treat a modern superstar like any modern superstar.

Unless that changes, Dennis will not accept it.

Kawhis preference is to be traded so he cam build a name for himself.

Dude, STFU already! You're a nobody on the internet & in the real world. Go spend more time with auntie & get to know her a little better

[apalisoc_9]

But we should believe you? :lol

I got receipts. Micheal wright doesnt.

https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sass2.png

[callo1]

The 100x worse comment made by TP was not intended to be taken the way it was imo. I think Tony was somewhat making reference to him being much older, so if he could do it, Kawhi should be fine...it was said partially in gist. ..again, imo. Maybe it was frustration combined with some gist.

Either way, I don't blame TP in the least. Any normal prideful person would either address Tony's comment, or man up and play ball.

[ElNono]

This is what happens with people who do not have both sets of parents growing up and hit stardom and money

you can be poor and retarded, look at yourself, tbh

[Vic Petro]

Your receipts are from Walmart for those hungry man dinners.

[Barfunk]

I make more money than reporters.

Cats stay jealous.

:lol

[picnroll]

The 100x worse comment made by TP was not intended to be taken the way it was imo. I think Tony was somewhat making reference to him being much older, so if he could do it, Kawhi should be fine...it was said partially in gist. ..again, imo. Maybe it was frustration combined with some gist.

Either way, I don't blame TP in the least. Any normal prideful person would either address Tony's comment, or man up and play ball.

These Spurs are professionals and athletes. They toed the politic line in public but I’m sure in private they were both dumbfounded and disgusted by the crap Leonard was pulling. Duncan would have slapped the jerk upside the head a few times.

[FireMicoHalili]

I got receipts. Micheal wright doesnt.

https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sass2.png
From where? SM Megamall? Jollibee Quiapo? You sad, sad excuse for a Filipino, Mr. Palisoc.

Cats be delusional :lol

[FireMicoHalili]

I make more money than reporters.

Cats stay jealous.
No confirmation these stories are even true

Cats just delusional. Rando jobless Filipino making up jackshit rumors like his good-for-nothing President.

[apalisoc_9]

No confirmation these stories are even true

Cats just delusional. Rando jobless Filipino making up jackshit rumors like his good-for-nothing President.

D30 is a proud pinoy.

Go lick the white western butt you coon. You're now on ignore.

[FireMicoHalili]

D30 is a proud pinoy.

Go lick the white western butt you coon. You're now on ignore.
Oh my god he snapped. He really is a rando jobless Filipino who ALSO loves that good for nothing idiot of a President. :lol

[ducks]

The relationship is irrepairable. The Spurs have shown no willingness to treat a modern superstar like any modern superstar.

Unless that changes, Dennis will not accept it.

Kawhis preference is to be traded so he cam build a name for himself.

Dennis should get fired and he could still give his uncle 2 million and get the max from spurs if he would switch agent

[ducks]

The relationship is irrepairable. The Spurs have shown no willingness to treat a modern superstar like any modern superstar.

Unless that changes, Dennis will not accept it.

Kawhis preference is to be traded so he cam build a name for himself.

Dennis should get fired and he could still give his uncle 2 million and get the max from spurs if he would switch agent
He would still be millions ahead

[gambit1990]

was the matthew tynan tweet posted here already?

most fucked up thing, if true, about this saga.

[Lostwingman]

I got receipts. Micheal wright doesnt.

https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sass2.png

No one here wants "receipts" for hemorrhoid cream.

[Lostwingman]

This is what happens with people who do not have both sets of parents growing up and hit stardom and money

Man his dad died when he was 17, not 7. He got whipped by his Uncle as a damn near adult.

[J_Paco]

The 100x worse comment made by TP was not intended to be taken the way it was imo. I think Tony was somewhat making reference to him being much older, so if he could do it, Kawhi should be fine...it was said partially in gist. ..again, imo. Maybe it was frustration combined with some gist.

Either way, I don't blame TP in the least. Any normal prideful person would either address Tony's comment, or man up and play ball.

Exactly, team mates challenge one another. Leonard should never, ever had taken it personally.

Also, hindsight is 20 - 20. Had Parker realized that that comment would "destroy" the relationship he either wouldn't said it or rephrased it better.

[ducks]

you can be poor and retarded, look at yourself, tbh

My bank account has 7 figures in it thanks to the election

[toki9]

Ugly. I have a real agent and I think he would kick me to the curb faster than you can say Go before he would allow such a stunt to be pulled with an entity I was contracted with.
Agents have reputations too.

And this was one of the ponits Lowe and Woz made, that Kawhi's people don't really have a reputation to protect...and no history with any organization that could give them credibility...so even if a GM wants to trade for Kawhi, they don't know what to do and they don't know with whom they should be dealing...

[cd021]

Holding out in the NBA is rare. A player not playing for a playoff team and potential contender when he could is unheard of. Going from that to paying him $200+ million?

Has it ever happened? I've been a fan since '04 and it hasn't happened in that span.

[FireMicoHalili]

Has it ever happened? I've been a fan since '04 and it hasn't happened in that span.
Don’t recall anyone, though to be fair no one’s ever sure of the veracity of injury reports. Players intending to leave their teams still played out their contracts e.g. Paul George.

[ElNono]

My bank account has 7 figures in it thanks to the election

https://img.amiami.jp/images/product/main/123/FIG-KAI-4230.jpg

[SPURt]

My bank account has 7 figures in it thanks to the election
You had sex with Trump too? I can see why he’d pay men more than women.

[Down Under]

Can't wait to see Kawhi at training camp.

[ECOV]

Can't wait to see Kawhi at training camp.

When is it?

[Down Under]

When is it?
Sep 27

[Chinook]

My bank account has 7 figures in it thanks to the election

I had no idea you were Russian.

[spurraider21]

My bank account has 7 figures in it thanks to the election
:lol you’re not supposed to count the cents dude

[SnakeBoy]

:lol you’re not supposed to count the cents dude

Hey that shit adds up

[BillMc]

Full podcast notes:

— Spurs wanted sit-down early on to air everything out but were afraid to approach Kawhi’s team because they didn’t want to be perceived as trying to rush him back

— Mike Wright tells the late all-star game story and pins it right on Uncle Dennis. Said traffic was so bad they walked from the hotel to the arena.

— Kawhi’s group feels Spurs are too controlling, but Wright and hosts point out that Uncle Dennis has no frame of reference to compare to. Mike Wright concurs with a statement that Uncle Dennis is “clueless”

— Host says this is a lesson in everything not to do in handling a young superstar

— Host asks if this is, at its core, about lack of trust over the misdiagnosis. Mentions Kawhi also sought a 2nd opinion on his wrist injury in 2014 so this may be a long standing issue between player and team. Mike Wright thinks that’s the essence of it, but the major component is Uncle Dennis fanning the flames. Spurs admit they may have fucked up injury diagnosis, but they can’t be sure because they lost control of rehab on Aug 8th. Wright mentions the rumor that Kawhi shopped around for doctors

— Spurs reps were in New York during rehab but had no say or input on rehab at that point

— It’s fair to question what’s going on from Kawhi’s side both from a management perspective and a medical perspective. Spurs were in the dark medically all year.

— There was a point last year when Spurs flew to New York but as soon as they walked in the building, Kawhi’s team “sequestered” him so the Spurs couldn’t see him. Wright said he shouldn’t tell that story but he thinks Kawhi is gone so it doesn’t matter

— What was impetus for Spurs handing over rehab in August? Kawhi felt the rehab exercises were hurting him worse. He went and got multiple opinions, then Spurs handed over rehab

— Spurs could not get a hold of Kawhi when he visited China. Spurs wanted to send team security, but everything changed for them when they couldn’t reach him in China

— Wright says Spurs gave Kawhi an inch by giving up control of rehab, and Kawhi took a mile. Host says of course every team would want to control their franchise player’s rehab. That’s not controlling to want to do that. Wright thinks Spurs were too accommodating in giving up rehab and Kawhi took advantage of them.

— The Spurs still don’t know what they want to do with him. Don’t know if they’ll keep him or when they’ll trade him

— Seems obvious that a path to reconciliation is the Supermax. But is there a guarantee Kawhi and Uncle Dennis won’t pull this again 3 months later? “It’s a band-aid on a gunshot wound.” Wright says too risky to offer a supermax now.

— Co-host says Kawhi’s people really screwed this up. Contrasts him to Lebron in saying that Lebron is not a fool, but Kawhi is being a fool and being played. Ultimately it’s on Kawhi because he has the power to change it

— Wright says the Spurs are going to do what’s best for them regardless. It’s not about what Kawhi wants for them anymore.

— Wright says the Ingram/Kuzma/Hart/Picks package was accurate but he heard Spurs asked for 4 picks and not 2 picks and 2 pick swaps

— Wright said Spurs just want Kawhi alone in a room and can’t get it. Everything is going through Dennis and Spurs aren’t sure what really comes from Kawhi and what’s just Dennis

— All agree it’s just a bad idea to mix family and business

— Host asks if Kawhi is staying off the court because he’s worried teams will be scared off that his level of play has dropped or he’s still injured? Wright said it’s gone off the rails and no one knows. He thinks Kawhi should keep the Uncle on the payroll but just not be represented by him.

— Wright doesn’t think anything gets done anytime soon because the Spurs don’t want to trade him. Both sides in a bad spot

— How much did Pop’s comments contribute to Kawhi’s unhappiness? (Host mistakenly thinks Pop made the “100 times worse” comment). Wright says comments were not meant to be critical of Kawhi. Tony’s ultimate message was “be positive.” Wright was standing there and knew it was going to get exaggerated. Kawhi’s taking offense to that and using that as a reason to want a trade is just an excuse

— Wright says he talked to a high ranking Spurs official 2 days ago and that person did not know the context of the “100 times worse” comment. He knew the quote but had never watched the interview in its entirety for context

— Might be tough to sell vets on Kawhi returning because Kawhi and his team kept giving false dates as to when he’d return. It would be this game, then that game, then that game. Moving target. That’s what led to Ginobili comments. After series with GSW previous year, vets thought the team could be competitive for a ring and Kawhi said “fuck it.” Then Kawhi shows up for picture day, leaves before shootaround, and they basically don’t see him again

— Wright knew it was over when Kawhi requested trade. Before that, team thought they could fix it. Wright wonders if Pop would have been able to focus more on repairing the relationship had he not been dealing with aftermath of wife’s death.

— All Kawhi had to say from the beginning is “I don’t want to play in San Antonio.” Instead it’s a littany of excuses for why he wants out. Spurs went out of their way to protect him. How many media markets can your star player go 2 months without making a comment? Once Spurs couldn’t protect him anymore he started looking bad. Wright doesn’t see a reconciliation

— Co-host suggests team promises to trade Kawhi, but explains to him that he has to restore his value by playing. They’ll update him on trade talks every week. Wright says they may not be able to even get to that conversation. He says all the reports about Uncle Dennis are not exaggerations. He can’t even tell most of the stories of the various wild an unorthodox things Uncle Dennis has requested

— Wright says Kawhi wants the Clippers, but he thinks a dark horse team will wind up with him. Clippers are a mismatch as a trade partner. Wright wants him to go to LA though and experience that media so he knows how good he had it in San Antonio. Skipping interviews is not an option in LA. 10x more reporters focused on him, and wait until “Lonzo’s Daddy” says something about him. Will he think the team betrayed him when they don’t protect him from the media like the Spurs did?


Many, many thanks for taking the time to right that up. :toast Really informative (if depressing that it's come to this).

[cutewizard]

But, yes, Kawhi's group is very reactionary and unprofessional. One could imagine a scenario where they approached the Spurs quietly and indicated that Kawhi would eventually want out of SA with Pop nearing retirement, but that they would work with the Spurs to ensure they got good value in return, but that they would want the supermax, or something close. Win-win, basically. Instead taking everything public, attempting to appear hardass has led to this situation where the Spurs can't move him because nobody's offering jack, because you have totally destroyed your client's trade value due to the trade demands and attempting to pressure the Spurs to make a trade now. Even if the Spurs were willing to trade you just lost your client whatever portion of the supermax the Spurs were willing to extend you.


Great post good Sir. Thanks.

[FireMicoHalili]

One gets the sense his group isn’t done yet. Won’t be surprised Woj and Shelburne tweet out something inflammatory the next few days.

[-21-]

Well it's obvious Pop doesn't want to trade him.

Despite every media reporter affirming they would be surprised to see him in training camp, I wouldn't. It doesn't seem like the Spurs yet know which way this is going to go but their intention is to keep him.

Yeah, maybe Pop thinks he could talk to Kawhi 1-on-1 during training camp or early in the season. That is, if Kawhi shows up. It's the smart thing to do and is worth a shot I guess. If that does't work then that's when you trade him. Technically, the Spurs have till Feb to trade him. Honestly though, I just want this whole thing to end as soon as possible.

[-21-]

One gets the sense his group isn’t done yet. Won’t be surprised Woj and Shelburne tweet out something inflammatory the next few days.

Just curious, who is Mico Halili?

[mystargtr34]

:lol you’re not supposed to count the cents dude

Lol

[nym]

It's interesting that Jabari and the people who normally leak out Kawhi's side info have yet to say anything about thw Michael Wright podcast.

Also, I would love to know what it running through the heads of other players (and front offices) right now. Many already talk about Kawhi being a different type of cat that doesn't speak but to add this lunacy on top of it is probably more than some would want to deal with.

Many could be (rightfully) thinking that if something like this is happening to PATFO who are legendary for being one of the best in the biz how is it going to go down with others? And this goes beyond PATFO needing to adapt and treat modern day players differently than in the past (which they do the days of Timmy are long gone). This is straight up disrespect for the organization. But players are their people need to understand that while things are changing and they can be more empowered there are good and bad ways of doing business. Impact (and Dennis) is doing it the extremely bad way. People trying to follow the LeBron James and Klutch model going to get their feelings hurt because not everyone is going to be able to pull that off.

Good for Kawhi if he wants to take his brand and career to the next level. I'm sure people always giving Pop & the system credit for his rise is something his side has used to get him to turn on PATFO but a simple conversation (or a series of them) could have remedied that. Pop has called him the best and given him his kudos before. Spurs PR and PATFO could easily have changed that narrative, if given a chance. It's always been said he doesn't talk much. That lack of communication is likely a huge part of this debacle. Spurs can't fix problems they don't know exist. If he is unhappy with the Spurs talk that ish out like adults. Either try and fix it and if not and come to an amicable agreement. To go about this way is crazy. Especially in light of Pop having just buried his wife in the last couple months. The optics on this are bad for Kawhi.

And for the record, trying to play the race card on someone like Pop isn't going to work, at least not to the extent his camp may think, because he has been so outspoken about stuff in the past. Using the race card will be obvious that its literally their last ditch effort to try to drag Spurs.

[Skoobz]

Don't know if this is posted in this thread, but check out the utter childish bullshit Leonard and his crew pulled.


https://deadspin.com/report-kawhi-leonard-hid-from-spurs-execs-when-they-ca-1827375550/amp

I probably shouldn’t say this, but I’m gonna say it because Kawhi is about to be outta there. There was a point during his rehab process in New York that some of the Spurs brass went out to see him in New York. As soon as those guys arrived to the building, Kawhi’s people grabbed him and sequestered him to another part of the building. And so the Spurs’ people couldn’t even see him.

[venitian navigator]

It's interesting that Jabari and the people who normally leak out Kawhi's side info have yet to say anything about thw Michael Wright podcast.

Also, I would love to know what it running through the heads of other players (and front offices) right now. Many already talk about Kawhi being a different type of cat that doesn't speak but to add this lunacy on top of it is probably more than some would want to deal with.

Many could be (rightfully) thinking that if something like this is happening to PATFO who are legendary for being one of the best in the biz how is it going to go down with others? And this goes beyond PATFO needing to adapt and treat modern day players differently than in the past (which they do the days of Timmy are long gone). This is straight up disrespect for the organization. But players are their people need to understand that while things are changing and they can be more empowered there are good and bad ways of doing business. Impact (and Dennis) is doing it the extremely bad way. People trying to follow the LeBron James and Klutch model going to get their feelings hurt because not everyone is going to be able to pull that off.

Good for Kawhi if he wants to take his brand and career to the next level. I'm sure people always giving Pop & the system credit for his rise is something his side has used to get him to turn on PATFO but a simple conversation (or a series of them) could have remedied that. Pop has called him the best and given him his kudos before. Spurs PR and PATFO could easily have changed that narrative, if given a chance. It's always been said he doesn't talk much. That lack of communication is likely a huge part of this debacle. Spurs can't fix problems they don't know exist. If he is unhappy with the Spurs talk that ish out like adults. Either try and fix it and if not and come to an amicable agreement. To go about this way is crazy. Especially in light of Pop having just buried his wife in the last couple months. The optics on this are bad for Kawhi.

And for the record, trying to play the race card on someone like Pop isn't going to work, at least not to the extent his camp may think, because he has been so outspoken about stuff in the past. Using the race card will be obvious that its literally their last ditch effort to try to drag Spurs.

If they try to use the race card they are finished, and they knoew it...Jales Rose just tryed some time ago and was immediately silenced.
Pop image is too much higher than Kiwhi's and his group to be compromised by someone that has just behaved like an obvious fraud...
I think that once the Kiwhi's group decided to go "personal", like tha way they talked of Pop and R.C. being "fools", then the organizaion thought it was the time to initiate to backfire...not against the player but against all this bullshit his "group" has talked by media about the entire narrative...

Now the line is different...and the evidence and public perception, despite all then tactics and bullshit we heard and see in these months by espn mainly, are obviously in the sense that the real story has just benn told the way it is by Wright...

Now his "group" can see that if they only pretend to go "personal" again against the f.o. they risk a backfire or holocaustic proportions...expecially now that has emerged that the entire Leonard family, his Mom included, is beiyng paid by the society that control Kiwhi's p.r....

I just hope his group realize that is time to retire and give up...or give Kiwhi some different advice...after all, till some time ago, Kiwhi was considered the perfect Spur. And imho he knows that the organization till now has treated him well...

[BillMc]

SAS trying to help LA by saying the Lakers could give the assets targeted for Kawhi to Portland for Damian. All gamesmanship.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTC8cxdtXbE

[ceperez]

If they try to use the race card they are finished, and they knoew it...Jales Rose just tryed some time ago and was immediately silenced.
Pop image is too much higher than Kiwhi's and his group to be compromised by someone that has just behaved like an obvious fraud...
I think that once the Kiwhi's group decided to go "personal", like tha way they talked of Pop and R.C. being "fools", then the organizaion thought it was the time to initiate to backfire...not against the player but against all this bullshit his "group" has talked by media about the entire narrative...

Now the line is different...and the evidence and public perception, despite all then tactics and bullshit we heard and see in these months by espn mainly, are obviously in the sense that the real story has just benn told the way it is by Wright...

Now his "group" can see that if they only pretend to go "personal" again against the f.o. they risk a backfire or holocaustic proportions...expecially now that has emerged that the entire Leonard family, his Mom included, is beiyng paid by the society that control Kiwhi's p.r....

I just hope his group realize that is time to retire and give up...or give Kiwhi some different advice...after all, till some time ago, Kiwhi was considered the perfect Spur. And imho he knows that the organization till now has treated him well...

David Robinson's comment was right on the mark: "LeBron doesn't sit around waiting for people to talk for him."

It's clear to me that Kawhi wants someone else to manage everything else other than basketball, but he's got his family that's got all sorts of unprofessional ideas of what's best for Kawhi. Spurs are actually the best organization in the NBA in taking care of players. But we got this family who have their own interest rather than his. The trip to China to me was a bit of a surprise, I didn't expect Kawhi to be the type who goes on a media tour.

Perhaps, the problem with the Spurs is that its such a good organization that Kawhi was protected for too long a time.

[stu scotts eye]

Oh my god he snapped. He really is a rando jobless Filipino who ALSO loves that good for nothing idiot of a President. :lol

Apalisloc is a needy, battered child. Yes.

But what does being Filipino got to do with shit?

I'm Filipino and bet I am more successful than 95% of you white, Mexican, black, and mutts. But why does race matter?

[exstatic]

Has it ever happened? I've been a fan since '04 and it hasn't happened in that span.

Eric Gordon, N.O.

[picnroll]

D30 is a proud pinoy.

Go lick the white western butt you coon. You're now on ignore.

Should have let the Japanese keep you sorry ass.

[spursistan]

apa has no connections/sources.

He's just posting in between changing bedpans.
:lmao..


But it is a "done deal" :lol...

[Maddog]

Don't know if this is posted in this thread, but check out the utter childish bullshit Leonard and his crew pulled.


https://deadspin.com/report-kawhi-leonard-hid-from-spurs-execs-when-they-ca-1827375550/amp

I probably shouldn’t say this, but I’m gonna say it because Kawhi is about to be outta there. There was a point during his rehab process in New York that some of the Spurs brass went out to see him in New York. As soon as those guys arrived to the building, Kawhi’s people grabbed him and sequestered him to another part of the building. And so the Spurs’ people couldn’t even see him.

I just read that. I'm not sure if true, but fits with everything. If true the Spurs have been extremely professional in all they have said publicly.

[rastaspur]

The relationship is irrepairable. The Spurs have shown no willingness to treat a modern superstar like any modern superstar.

Unless that changes, Dennis will not accept it.

Kawhis preference is to be traded so he cam build a name for himself.

Find a new hobby or go fuck your aunt or something. You really have worn out your welcome, eric cisneros.

[rastaspur]

I got receipts. Micheal wright doesnt.

https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sass2.png

You got ahit for brains. God has that receipt.

[rastaspur]

My bank account has 7 figures in it thanks to the election

No it doesnt.

[nym]

So is apalisoc the only one who is still fully on the Kawhi is perfectly in the right and PATFO is fully at fault train?

[YGWHI]

Media guys are becoming real shit this offseason...Zach Lowe almost mentioned all 29 teams in his article about Kawhi's possible trades :lol

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23997175/zach-lowe-kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-lebron-james-los-angeles-lakers-nba

[Kermit]

So is apalisoc the only one who is still fully on the Kawhi is perfectly in the right and PATFO is fully at fault train?

And the dumbass who posted right after you.

[DeadlyDynasty]

SAS trying to help LA by saying the Lakers could give the assets targeted for Kawhi to Portland for Damian. All gamesmanship.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTC8cxdtXbE
He's right though...Spurs have no leverage left.

[mo7888]

This clown is still under contract--if he doesn't want to play have him wear the coyote costume and pass out tshirts during half time or sue his ass for breach of contract.


He's right though...Spurs have no leverage left.

Controlling whether he can get 137M over 4 years or 188M over 4 years is leverage.

[Sheriff Hoyt]

He's right though...Spurs have no leverage left.
they do if Kawhi is willing to re-sign in Philly

[BlackSilver]

was the matthew tynan tweet posted here already?

most fucked up thing, if true, about this saga.

I don’t think so, but it matches other reporting during the year.

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[DeadlyDynasty]

Controlling whether he can get 137M over 4 years or 188M over 4 years is leverage.
and how's that working out for you right now?

[cjw]

My bank account has 7 figures in it thanks to the election

People who have money typically don’t have a need to tell people they have it.

And no idea how old you are, but 7 figures of net worth isn’t even that impressive unless you’re in your 20s or early/mid 30s.

[mo7888]

and how's that working out for you right now?

As good as his leverage is working out for him.

[DeadlyDynasty]

they do if Kawhi is willing to re-sign in Philly
How does that give you leverage? I'm not talking about Lakers-Spurs, I'm just talking about you guys having no leverage to get a decent package from ANY team, especially since Philly isn't willing to part with either of their two studs.

We all know it's a no-brainer that you won't get equal value in return, but it's also becoming clearer that as each day goes by and we learn of more and more stars who might be on the move in 2019, that nobody's going to offer you even a quasi-decent haul for Leonard.

You have no leverage, just be thankful for the scraps that you get from (insert team)...or be stubborn and let him walk for nothing in return

[lmbebo]

How does that give you leverage? I'm not talking about Lakers-Spurs, I'm just talking about you guys having no leverage to get a decent package from ANY team, especially since Philly isn't willing to part with either of their two studs.

We all know it's a no-brainer that you won't get equal value in return, but it's also becoming clearer that as each day goes by and we learn of more and more stars who might be on the move in 2019, that nobody's going to offer you even a quasi-decent haul for Leonard.

You have no leverage, just be thankful for the scraps that you get from (insert team)...or be stubborn and let him walk for nothing in return

Agree with this to a degree. No one wants to give up valuable assets for a headache. It's not about health, resigning, etc. Its about Kawhi and his "camp/team/family".

Hypocrisy of it though, is that all of these teams wouldn't hesitate to sign up for the max in free agency ...

[YGWHI]

Well it's obvious Pop doesn't want to trade him.

Despite every media reporter affirming they would be surprised to see him in training camp, I wouldn't. It doesn't seem like the Spurs yet know which way this is going to go but their intention is to keep him.

I tend to believe that Pop decided that Kawhi has to play out his contract. If true that the Spurs rejected Boston offer from the Celtics, including picks and Kyrie for Kawhi...I guess PATFO isn't gonna trade him.

If true Philly and Boston offers, I doubt the Spurs will get better offers than those two...And Pop knows it. At this point, he doesn't a shit about losing him for nothing in FA next offseason. I'm fine with this...I want to see him playing for the Spurs at least one season more.

Also, Spurs' locker room would be so "funny"...Can't wait to hear what Spurs would leak Woj and what Kawhi's camp to Jabari/Shams about that locker room.

[mo7888]

How does that give you leverage? I'm not talking about Lakers-Spurs, I'm just talking about you guys having no leverage to get a decent package from ANY team, especially since Philly isn't willing to part with either of their two studs.

We all know it's a no-brainer that you won't get equal value in return, but it's also becoming clearer that as each day goes by and we learn of more and more stars who might be on the move in 2019, that nobody's going to offer you even a quasi-decent haul for Leonard.

You have no leverage, just be thankful for the scraps that you get from (insert team)...or be stubborn and let him walk for nothing in return

There's no way any team can get equal value trading a superstar. But, the spurs will still get a good return and the guys that you don't think are offered up will be offered up when the spurs get ready to trade him. The reason tbey aren't on the table now is because the spurs haven't committed to accepting a package with them and teams don't want to get stuck with a disgruntled player of their own by offering a guy and have the trade not go through. It's really a simple negotiation. At this point the spurs are playing kawhi against his 40M in extra losses that they can extract from him trying to get him to expand a list of team that's he's willing to sign with. Eventually, the potential loss of revenue and the fact that he doesn't want to report will convince him to tell them which teams will be acceptable and then a deal will happen pretty quickly.

[blizz]

Holy crap Michelle Beadle just went off

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24014739

[Truth4sale$]

Maybe Kawhi's camp saw LaMarcus Aldridge bitch and moan and get an extension and appreciation while Kawhi was out. Maybe Uncle Ruckus and their camp want the same for Kawhi and then some. Like some "Star Focus" to raise his profile higher; for more endorsements, award recognition. Regardless, if Kawhi wants out, he has to play and show he is healthy. Therefore to the benefit of both parties, Kawhi has to show up to camp, play thru at least January, and show how he is healthy and then the offers will come in. But the SPurs will be betting Kawhi's camp will play nice.

[Chinook]

Holy crap Michelle Beadle just went off

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24014739

I don't like Beadle for a lot of reasons, but god damn if she doesn't tow that line.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Holy crap Michelle Beadle just went off

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24014739
She's not aging gracefully...espn will have to move her to radio soon

[venitian navigator]

the video is not available in my country..so what did she say?

[RGMCSE]

Holy crap Michelle Beadle just went off

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24014739


OH SNAP!

h8cN6wZFDA8

[Truth4sale$]

If the Spurs can't get Brandom Ingram, I would take the Kyrie deal, with a boat load of picks. With the intention to trade Kyrie to NY(where he truly wants to be); and take Kevin knox and Enes Kanter.Not about the talent, its bout ending the drama and setting the team for the future with youth.

[DPG21920]

He's right though...Spurs have no leverage left.

1) :lol Thinking POR would trade Dame for anything less than Ingram/Kuz/Hart + picks like SA is asking for
2) :lol at using those same assets for Dame over Kawhi

But hey, way to call SA’s bluff by using those same assets to land a far inferior player to Kawhi when you also burned a #2 pick on Lonzo and also just signed Rondo :tu Great use of assets!

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I hope other reports start repeating what Beadle said.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

It's interesting that Jabari and the people who normally leak out Kawhi's side info have yet to say anything about thw Michael Wright podcast.


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[Mugen]

She's not aging gracefully...espn will have to move her to radio soon

You more of a Ramona man, huh DD?

[Truth4sale$]

I think Michelle Beale said exactly what the majority of fans have been feeling, even the hardest Kawhi supporters like myself. Good for her

[Eaglenole2002]

I don't like Beadle for a lot of reasons, but god damn if she doesn't tow that line.

What's not to like?

[DeadlyDynasty]

1) :lol Thinking POR would trade Dame for anything less than Ingram/Kuz/Hart + picks like SA is asking for
2) :lol at using those same assets for Dame over Kawhi

But hey, way to call SA’s bluff by using those same assets to land a far inferior player to Kawhi when you also burned a #2 pick on Lonzo and also just signed Rondo :tu Great use of assets!
You missed the boat completely.

[r-nice]

You more of a Ramona man, huh DD?

LOL Everyone has their preferences...

[DeadlyDynasty]

You more of a Ramona man, huh DD?
tbh they both should be grazing in the field

[DPG21920]

and how's that working out for you right now?

Pretty good. Kawhi is still a Spur and not a Laker and Lakers are about to use their only assets to obtain Lillard which means not enough cap space for Kawhi next year :lol

[DPG21920]

You missed the boat completely.

Nah - I didn’t. I have a firm understanding of the situation, LA’s cap situation and their overall roster construction

[Mugen]

Worst case scenario, the Spurs keep Leonard and suspend/fine if needed. He can leave next offseason short 80mil and play with a 35yo LeBron or a terrible Clippers team.

It accelerates the Spurs rebuild once he's gone since we don't have to take on trash players like Kuzma...

Lot of shit happens in 1yr, lot of shit. Time time last year, Kawhi was untouchable :lol

[venitian navigator]

1015224806122221568

Bullshit my ass.
The story has been previously reported but simply was not represented in a nad way since the spurs staff was trying to fix the relationship in a good way...the evidence of this is that also Jalen Rose, that we can not say has been exactly on the Spurs side in this matter (he was the one triyng to use the race card against Pop) has given this as a fact already known by a long time.
So Kiwhi's camp can say what they want, but these are behavior transaled in facts, that can not be misunderstood again in a good sense for them...their manipulation of the situation is coming out and is putting a real dark cloud on all of them...

[Drewlius]

Holy crap Michelle Beadle just went off

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24014739

F’N Love it!

[DPG21920]

Even if LA traded Lonzo, Kuzma, Ingram, Hart AND Deng for Lillard, and only had Lebron, Lillard & Wagner under contract next season and renounced everyone else’s cap holds/bird rights, LA would only have 29M in cap space. Kawhi’s max is 32M.

[BackHome]

It’s the boomerang effect I think all this shit is going to start be directed at K-Y group. They going to start feeling the burn real quick.

And we ain’t trading his ass until we get a really good offer :toast

[DeadlyDynasty]

Pretty good. Kawhi is still a Spur and not a Laker and Lakers are about to use their only assets to obtain Lillard which means not enough cap space for Kawhi next year :lol
Kawhi is a Spur for one more year--a year in which we all know will net you nothing in the end. If you think the Lakers are actually dealing for Lillard with that package then you disappoint me. Like the poster above originally said, it's just gamesmanship. You desperately need Kawhi Leonard, whereas we could take him or leave him...especially with the plethora of FA's available in 2019.

Enjoy your final year with him before he moves on to another organization that doesn't alienate its superstars.

[DPG21920]

The best thing ever for the Spurs would be LA trading for Lillard. It is the single most important lever LA has right now; that we don’t have to trade for kawhi because we have max cap space for him to walk to us next year.

If that goes away, the threat of Kawhi coming in FA is reduced and other teams will start to step up their offers.

Especially if POR isn’t willing to take on Deng (even with getting Ingram, Kuz, Lonzo, Hart to do so) then it’s even worse. Any player LA keeps out of Ingram/Kuz/Lonzo/Hart also eats into that 29M cap space.

[DPG21920]

Kawhi is a Spur for one more year--a year in which we all know will net you nothing in the end. If you think the Lakers are actually dealing for Lillard with that package then you disappoint me. Like the poster above originally said, it's just gamesmanship. You desperately need Kawhi Leonard, whereas we could take him or leave him...especially with the plethora of FA's available in 2019.

Enjoy your final year with him before he moves on to another organization that doesn't alienate its superstars.

I know that :lol. Why do you think I pointed out the empty threat. SA isn’t dumb, that posturing from LA is stupid because SA is praying they do that

[DPG21920]

Kawhi is a Spur for one more year--a year in which we all know will net you nothing in the end. If you think the Lakers are actually dealing for Lillard with that package then you disappoint me. Like the poster above originally said, it's just gamesmanship. You desperately need Kawhi Leonard, whereas we could take him or leave him...especially with the plethora of FA's available in 2019.

Enjoy your final year with him before he moves on to another organization that doesn't alienate its superstars.

Didn’t alienate Shaq? Didn’t Kobe demand a trade because he was alienated? I mean, if LA had to trade Shaq, then you can’t dog SA for having to trade Kawhi. Shaq >>Kawhi

[Mugen]

Kawhi is a Spur for one more year--a year in which we all know will net you nothing in the end. If you think the Lakers are actually dealing for Lillard with that package then you disappoint me. Like the poster above originally said, it's just gamesmanship. You desperately need Kawhi Leonard, whereas we could take him or leave him...especially with the plethora of FA's available in 2019.

Enjoy your final year with him before he moves on to another organization that doesn't alienate its superstars.

Agree re thinking the Lakers will trade for Lillard. It's like Lakerfan thinking that LeBron came to LA to ring chase, pretty silly on both fronts :lol

[LkrFan]

1) :lol Thinking POR would trade Dame for anything less than Ingram/Kuz/Hart + picks like SA is asking for
2) :lol at using those same assets for Dame over Kawhi

But hey, way to call SA’s bluff by using those same assets to land a far inferior player to Kawhi when you also burned a #2 pick on Lonzo and also just signed Rondo :tu Great use of assets!

Not disagreeing with you per se, but we know what Dame IS right now because he played this season. We don't know what Kiwi IS right now because he hasn't played competitively more than 9 games all year. We only know what he WAS before he got injured. Is he STILL the same player? If so, how would the Lakers - or any other team contemplating trading for him - know what he is until they SEE what he is right now? :downspin:

So until teams can see him workout in person, Dame is worth the same assets as Kiwi is. Maybe Uncle Fester can post a YouTube vid? :lol

[DPG21920]

Also, lol at LA not needing Kawhi. LA has missed the playoffs for 5 years and has Lebron for 3 functionally. They aren’t doing squat this year with hoarding cap space for next year (assuming they aren’t bluffing about Dame which would be amazing).

They have one star and just lost their best young player (Randle) for nothing on the heels of dumping their previous number 2 pick for nothing (Russell). They need a lot more than one star with Lebron to actually do anything and if you think all stars are equal and going from Kawhi to Jimmy Butler is no big deal you will be sorely disappointed and quickly back to arguing Kobe>Lebron in no time.

[djohn2oo8]

Agree re thinking the Lakers will trade for Lillard. It's like Lakerfan thinking that LeBron came to LA to ring chase, pretty silly on both fronts :lol

:lol

[djohn2oo8]

Also, lol at LA not needing Kawhi. LA has missed the playoffs for 5 years and has Lebron for 3 functionally. They aren’t doing squat this year with hoarding cap space for next year (assuming they aren’t bluffing about Dame which would be amazing).

They have one star and just lost their best young player (Randle) for nothing on the heels of dumping their previous number 2 pick for nothing (Russell). They need a lot more than one star with Lebron to actually do anything and if you think all stars are equal and going from Kawhi to Jimmy Butler is no big deal you will be sorely disappointed and quickly back to arguing Kobe>Lebron in no time.

CP3 and PG both passed up joining LA. What guarantee they are players in next year's FA? No one seems to be jumping at joining LeBron.

[Mugen]

I've even warmed up to the idea of Kawhi > Lakers.

LeBron, Uncle Dennis, Lavar, Magic, Jeanie...all on the same team with Luke running the show. That'd be the best entertainment to hit the league in a long time :lol

[DPG21920]

Not disagreeing with you per se, but we know what Dame IS right now because he played this season. We don't know what Kiwi IS right now because he hasn't played competitively more than 9 games all year. We only know what he WAS before he got injured. Is he STILL the same player? If so, how would the Lakers - or any other team contemplating trading for him - know what he is until they SEE what he is right now? :downspin:

So until teams can see him workout in person, Dame is worth the same assets as Kiwi is. Maybe Uncle Fester can post a YouTube vid? :lol

I can see that logic; perfectly understandable but everyone knows Kawhi isn’t injured. There is a reason Magic and Co have gone to great lengths to tamper for him :lol

But still, even if you believe that, even though you know Dame is healthy, you also know his ceiling and he’s worse than Kyrie and is that enough? Kawhi’s upside is still so much higher than Dames that IMO he’s one of the only true stars outside of Harden, AD, KD and Curry (which aren’t currently available) that can truly help LA win.

[Mugen]

CP3 and PG both passed up joining LA. What guarantee they are players in next year's FA? No one seems to be jumping at joining LeBron.

You telling me young stars don't want to come to LA to get curbstomped by the Warriors in the 2nd round while the LA media gives them all the blame? :lol

[DPG21920]

You telling me young stars don't want to come to LA to get curbstomped by the Warriors in the 2nd round while the LA media gives them all the blame? :lol

Ask Kevin Love what it’s like being an all-star level player alongside Bron and getting crapped on all the time :lol. Ask Kyrie, oh wait...he left.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I know that :lol. Why do you think I pointed out the empty threat. SA isn’t dum, that posturing from LA is stupid because SA is praying they do that
It's not about being "dumb," it's about having limited-to-no options. We all recognize SA is a well-run organization, but the fact remains they are saddled with a disgruntled player who has cut your bargaining leverage, and continues to do so with his lingering physical and mental issues which will give teams cause for concern.

As for pointing out the empty threat (which I agree it is), I find it interesting your last several posts have dealt with potential Lillard trade scenarios based solely off of a "I'm a happy camper tweet.":lol

You're my dude Deep, but you gotta know when you're short-stacked at the table

[Mugen]

With or without Kawhi, unless Bron can convince that pizza faced faggot in the Bay to leave the Warriors, the Spurs and Lakers are winning the same amount of championships for the rest of his career :lol

Maybe that used up skank Jeanie and T-Cells will let Jimbo get control back after they strike out these next 3 years :lmao

[BackHome]

You know when the first happened Pop was probably off guard and probably went through a whole bunch of emotions. People jumped on him when he made that comment “Ask Kawhi Group” but now we are starting to see the true picture of how fucked up his group really is I mean they all mentally unstable.

I think though Pop and RC have turned the corner and I see them laughing and drinking wine and crank calling Magic just for fun. They fucking with his agent on the phone probably laughing their ass to their pleas of trade Kawhi to Flakers pleaseee. Lol. At this point Pop don’t give a fuck he is going to do what’s best for the franchise so see ya next year in Spurs gear K-Y

[Mr. Body]

Also, lol at LA not needing Kawhi. LA has missed the playoffs for 5 years and has Lebron for 3 functionally. They aren’t doing squat this year with hoarding cap space for next year (assuming they aren’t bluffing about Dame which would be amazing).

They have one star and just lost their best young player (Randle) for nothing on the heels of dumping their previous number 2 pick for nothing (Russell). They need a lot more than one star with Lebron to actually do anything and if you think all stars are equal and going from Kawhi to Jimmy Butler is no big deal you will be sorely disappointed and quickly back to arguing Kobe>Lebron in no time.

Yeah. LeBron just guarantees a treadmill team for the Lakers. Butler doesn't move them anywhere, guess a false star. Lillard is better but not enough. I don't see a FO that knows how to build a team.

[lmbebo]

Kawhi is a Spur for one more year--a year in which we all know will net you nothing in the end. If you think the Lakers are actually dealing for Lillard with that package then you disappoint me. Like the poster above originally said, it's just gamesmanship. You desperately need Kawhi Leonard, whereas we could take him or leave him...especially with the plethora of FA's available in 2019.

Enjoy your final year with him before he moves on to another organization that doesn't alienate its superstars.

I wouldn't say the spurs alienate its superstars at all .... far from it ...

This is all about Uncle Dennis and Kawhi's camp. Every report out there now has it the spurs bending over backwards to deal with Kawhi and acquiesce to his camp's demands...

[Dre_7]

Kawhi is a Spur for one more year--a year in which we all know will net you nothing in the end. If you think the Lakers are actually dealing for Lillard with that package then you disappoint me. Like the poster above originally said, it's just gamesmanship. You desperately need Kawhi Leonard, whereas we could take him or leave him...especially with the plethora of FA's available in 2019.

Enjoy your final year with him before he moves on to another organization that doesn't alienate its superstars.

Then why do Laker fans keep talking about how the Spurs have to make a deal or they get nothing? Since when do Laker fans care what the Spurs get? Shouldn't you want them to get nothing? Just wait til next year if you are so confident you will get Kawhi. It will be better for you that way anyways. Unless, you are worried you won't actually get him. Then I could see why you would want him now. Interesting, really.

[Kindergarten Cop]

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Both Jalen Rose and Chris Carter confirmed the report to be 100% true and they’ve known about it for a long time. Carter stated that he was shocked that it didn’t come out earlier.

[K...]

Ok guys it's a done deal, kathi is being sent to California but the spurs are having trouble finding a partner that fits kathis needs, that is an adult day care with a basketball team and an autism specialist.

[DPG21920]

It's not about being "dumb," it's about having limited-to-no options. We all recognize SA is a well-run organization, but the fact remains they are saddled with a disgruntled player who has cut your bargaining leverage, and continues to do so with his lingering physical and mental issues which will give teams cause for concern.

As for pointing out the empty threat (which I agree it is), I find it interesting your last several posts have dealt with potential Lillard trade scenarios based solely off of a "I'm a happy camper tweet.":lol

You're my dude Deep, but you gotta know when you're short-stacked at the table

Sure, but so is Kawhi. You also just saw what PG said about the Lakers right? You see the reports coming out fro Kawhi’s camp, right? LA is the one alienating stars right now.

When you tell a star like PG or a superstar like Kawhi “hey, I know you want to come her, but you aren’t worth Lonzo/Ingram/Kuz and bad picks” you alienate them.

This is not hearsay; PG literally said this is what happened. Kawhi’s camp is already leaking that is what is happening. LA is stupid for not taking a SA seriously and dumping all the young guys to them. Like, really stupid.

[spursistan]

CP3 and PG both passed up joining LA. What guarantee they are players in next year's FA? No one seems to be jumping at joining LeBron.
It is hilarious how Lakers fans are still acting Lebron joining them isn't anything but him choosing his retirement home. :lol.

If Lebron cared about winning the Kawhi trade would have happened a week ago and all of their overrated kids would have been shipped out of town by now..

[BillMc]

Holy crap Michelle Beadle just went off

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24014739

Hell yeah! :toast Should be first woman president.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Also, lol at LA not needing Kawhi. LA has missed the playoffs for 5 years and has Lebron for 3 functionally. They aren’t doing squat this year with hoarding cap space for next year (assuming they aren’t bluffing about Dame which would be amazing).

They have one star and just lost their best young player (Randle) for nothing on the heels of dumping their previous number 2 pick for nothing (Russell). They need a lot more than one star with Lebron to actually do anything and if you think all stars are equal and going from Kawhi to Jimmy Butler is no big deal you will be sorely disappointed and quickly back to arguing Kobe>Lebron in no time.
Stop making this about the Lakers instead of your own teams failures. You had a Top-5 player in a small market and your franchise chose to publicly bash him and alienate him. Now you will get pennies on the dollar (if anything at all) and dissuade any future superstar from wanting to join such an ungrateful franchise. We'll be contenders in 2019, the whole world knows it, and so do you. We all know where San Antonio will be then.

[cd98]

Wright has exposed Dennis and Co. This is going to get ugly for them. A guy getting paid $18 million to sit out the year because he is "injured" hiding from the team paying $18 million going to check on his injury. Pathetic.

[DPG21920]

Stop making this about the Lakers instead of your own teams failures. You had a Top-5 player in a small market and your franchise chose to publicly bash him and alienate him. Now you will get pennies on the dollar (if anything at all) and dissuade any future superstar from wanting to join such an ungrateful franchise. We'll be contenders in 2019, the whole world knows it, and so do you. We all know where San Antonio will be then.

:lmao

*Also - small edit: Spurs still HAVE a top 5 player. It’s not past-tense yet.

[Extra Stout]

This could be fun from here on out. The Spurs are screwed as far as winning is concerned, but they can fuck with Kawhi as much as possible now. To get his $20 million, he has to show up, but this time without the usual Spurs cocoon. Let him face a San Antonio media day after day no longer docile and deferential, but aching for a feeding frenzy to rip him apart.

I don’t think his derp ass can handle the hostility from teammates, the media, and fans. He’ll have an autistic panic attack and ghost the team again. Then after 30 days, boom! His NBA career is effectively over, unless and until he and Unca Dennis come begging on hands and knees.

[Ice009]

D30 is a proud pinoy.

Go lick the white western butt you coon. You're now on ignore.

So where the F is he going? If it's a done deal, you should be able to tell us. You're not telling us who your source is, so that shouldn't matter. Why not just say where he is going if you're 100% sure? Let's see if you're full of shit or not. Otherwise, it looks like your just vying for attention by continuously sprouting shit off.

[picnroll]

This is going to be one frickin miserable year for Leonard. For a guy who doesn’t like attention he just put himself dead center in the media’s bulls’ eye for the year and probably beyond in a VERY controversial way. Dumb fuckin uncle.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Then why do Laker fans keep talking about how the Spurs have to make a deal or they get nothing? Since when do Laker fans care what the Spurs get? Shouldn't you want them to get nothing? Just wait til next year if you are so confident you will get Kawhi. It will be better for you that way anyways. Unless, you are worried you won't actually get him. Then I could see why you would want him now. Interesting, really.
1. I enjoy your misery, knowing that you could potentially let a top 5 player walk just out of foolish pride.
2. I agree, no reason to give up jackshit right now for him. We don't know if his head or body is still in the game, so let him audition for a year before we prematurely trade all our youth.

[lmbebo]

Stop making this about the Lakers instead of your own teams failures. You had a Top-5 player in a small market and your franchise chose to publicly bash him and alienate him. Now you will get pennies on the dollar (if anything at all) and dissuade any future superstar from wanting to join such an ungrateful franchise. We'll be contenders in 2019, the whole world knows it, and so do you. We all know where San Antonio will be then.


What bashing? Pop was questioned about Kawhi without info, his camp completely went silent. His answers were matter of fact answers. And TP's quote was taken out of context. What has the spurs done to bash? All this is coming from the media now.

[Extra Stout]

Both Jalen Rose and Chris Carter confirmed the report to be 100% true and they’ve known about it for a long time. Carter stated that he was shocked that it didn’t come out earlier.
Carter really admitted it? Wow, that means he knows the gig is up and is distancing himself.

[Mugen]

Say what you want about Kawhi, I don't think he'd want to sit out an entire year again.

There has to be some competitive bone left in his body and if Uncle Dennis says hey you can't go to Team USA camps, you can't go to Spurs training camp, you can't play this season....well that might just be the nudge needed to break the spell :lol

[DeadlyDynasty]

:lmao

*Also - small edit: Spurs still HAVE a top 5 player. It’s not past-tense yet.
:lmaoStill holding out hope that he'll sign long-term...you lovable little scamp, you

[Trainwreck2100]

Stop making this about the Lakers instead of your own teams failures. You had a Top-5 player in a small market and your franchise chose to publicly bash him and alienate him. Now you will get pennies on the dollar (if anything at all) and dissuade any future superstar from wanting to join such an ungrateful franchise. We'll be contenders in 2019, the whole world knows it, and so do you. We all know where San Antonio will be then.
no superstar would come here without talent already being here.

[Clipper Nation]

It is hilarious how Lakers fans are still acting Lebron joining them isn't anything but him choosing his retirement home. :lol.

If Lebron cared about winning the Kawhi trade would have happened a week ago and all of their overrated kids would have been shipped out of town by now..
If LeBron still cared about winning, Kawhi would have been traded to the Sixers to play with him in Philly.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Carter really admitted it? Wow, that means he knows the gig is up and is distancing himself.

No - the opposite. He’s all in on Kawhi’s stance and stated that he’d do the EXACT same thing. He played the “Spurs are way too controlling” card once again.

[Mr. Body]

Both Jalen Rose and Chris Carter confirmed the report to be 100% true and they’ve known about it for a long time. Carter stated that he was shocked that it didn’t come out earlier.

Huh, Carter could have said it himself but didn't. Almost like he head an agenda. Huh.

[ECOV]

Where can I find the full podcast

[SAGirl]

Holy crap Michelle Beadle just went off

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24014739
Gloves are coming off.
First Wright, now Beadle. It's obviously her personal opinion, but she's fed up in the same way many fans are already fed up.

[Dre_7]

1. I enjoy your misery, knowing that you could potentially let a top 5 player walk just out of foolish pride.
2. I agree, no reason to give up jackshit right now for him. We don't know if his head or body is still in the game, so let him audition for a year before we prematurely trade all our youth.

I am not miserable at all. I actually am getting a kick out of Lakers fans and their new found desperation for the Spurs. It is very interesting to say the least because they shouldn't care, but I can see that as much as they try and say otherwise, they desperately want their team to trade for Kawhi now. It is funny to me.

[ginobilized]

Hell yeah! :toast Should be first woman president.

Amateur checker players going against a solid chess player. Kawhi and his "group" have created what looks like the worst public relations situation I can recall for a young superstar in the NBA.

The vitriol from the press and public is starting to flow.

Uncle Dennis and his crew seem to be creating the equivalent of a one-car collision and blaming the Spurs. Will they blame the media next?

What is their next move? This all makes so little sense.

[K...]

For people saying Kawhi would walk away in free agency..... He's a injury prone player. . Kathi though is tempting fate as he is not as highly valued as LeBron and can't assume he's going to get married salary in 3-5 years given his body and lack of personality. The group should cut it losses. I think the comment about expecting a dark horse is party of this. They want some team to save them from their mess

[daslicer]

Stop making this about the Lakers instead of your own teams failures. You had a Top-5 player in a small market and your franchise chose to publicly bash him and alienate him. Now you will get pennies on the dollar (if anything at all) and dissuade any future superstar from wanting to join such an ungrateful franchise. We'll be contenders in 2019, the whole world knows it, and so do you. We all know where San Antonio will be then.

I can understand that you want Kawhi on the Lakers but to act like Kawhi is 100 percent innocent shows you got some serious blinders or you are a pretty stupid person that lacks awareness.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I am not miserable at all.
Your most hated rival just signed the best player in the game, the Warriors got another allstar, and Kawhi just told Pop to fuck off.

Yeah I'm sure you're just loving this offseason:lmao:lmao

[BillMc]

Amateur checker players going against a solid chess player. Kawhi and his "group" have created what looks like the worst public relations situation I can recall for a young superstar in the NBA.

The vitriol from the press and public is starting to flow.

Uncle Dennis and his crew seem to be creating the equivalent of a one-car collision and blaming the Spurs. Will they blame the media next?

What is their next move? This all makes so little sense.

Be such a pain, that they ditch their strategy of taking him into training camp and trade him SOMEWHERE for nothing. The he can sign wherever he wants after next year, but will never be in SA again, I guess is the gameplan.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I can understand that you want Kawhi on the Lakers but to act like Kawhi is 100 percent innocent shows you got some serious blinders or you are a pretty stupid person that lacks awareness.
He's not 100 percent innocent, but you'd expect an organization like the Spurs to handle it like men rather than have their freeloading vets bad mouth him to the press on Pop's orders

[Trainwreck2100]

1. I enjoy your misery, knowing that you could potentially let a top 5 player walk just out of foolish pride.
2. I agree, no reason to give up jackshit right now for him. We don't know if his head or body is still in the game, so let him audition for a year before we prematurely trade all our youth.

This is the kind of hypocritical idiocy from your fanbase that is so damn annoying. When Kobe was ready to walk the lakers flat out told him we'll trade you to the Bulls but we're going to take everybody that makes them a great team. (Paraphrasing) It has nothing to do with pride, if your solid dime gf about to walk out on you, you don't go bang a 5 just cause it's being offered.

[FlAVaK]

the video is not available in my country..so what did she say?

dgQiIj2lwf4

[DeadlyDynasty]

This is the kind of hypocritical idiocy from your fanbase that is so damn annoying. When Kobe was ready to walk the lakers flat out told him we'll trade you to the Bulls but we're going to take everybody that makes them a great team. (Paraphrasing) It has nothing to do with pride, if your solid dime gf about to walk out on you, you don't go bang a 5 just cause it's being offered.
So you go jerkoff into a sock instead?

[FlAVaK]

Where can I find the full podcast

GUZfGGJFNeY

[RD2191]

Man, who knew Kawhi would turn out to be such a piece of shit. :lol

[cd98]

He's not 100 percent innocent, but you'd expect an organization like the Spurs to handle it like men rather than have their freeloading vets bad mouth him to the press on Pop's orders

I'm sure the Spurs handled it as best they could. It's likely a situation that you can't really handle. But buyer beware, he goes to any other team and this erratic behavior is unlikely to change. I mean, didn't the Lakers just have a player announce an injury to prevent him from being traded? Dysfunction can happen anywhere if you have players/family that are crazy. Don't be surprised if you get Kawhi and half way through the season he decides he hates playing with LeBron and he hates playing in LA and just stops showing up to games and practice and claims he's injured and then runs and hides in NY. LA has had their share of disasters: Bynum Bowling...Dwight Howard not wanting to learn how to win...Ball family...Artest...but they better be ready to take on an unpredictable headache.

[tbdog]

https://imgur.com/a/KWwDItlhttps://imgur.com/a/KWwDItlhttps://imgur.com/a/KWwDItl

[Sheriff Hoyt]

Sad to see Lakerfan reduced to begging to be scraps for GS.

[blizz]

dgQiIj2lwf4 here’s some of it.

What set Beadle off was her colleagues talking about a report that Leonard does not want to go to the Lakers, preferring instead to be on his own team rather than playing in the shadow of LeBron James.

“What part of Kawhi Leonard’s behavior in the last year and every story that’s come out in the last several weeks, says anything about this dude having any of the qualities that a leader is supposed to have?” Beadle asked.

“You’re coming off as an obnoxious diva. You don’t want to go play with LeBron because you want to be the top dog? You are the top dog for a team and an organization that has done really well for many, many years.”

[Trainwreck2100]

So you go jerkoff into a sock instead?

cut you losses, go out find another quality looking skank.

[SpursforSix]

Man, who knew Kawhi would turn out to be such a piece of shit. :lol

I don't think he even understands what's going on. He might not even be capable of understanding it.
Uncle too scared to let him even talk with the Spurs. It's cult level shit. Uncle doesn't care how miserable might
be somewhere.

[picnroll]

More Leonard reputation to come. Media has a new story to sell, Leonard’s group as the bad guys. If Leonard does ultimately re-sign with the Spurs Pip is going to have to do a masterful job in restoring his acceptance by the public.

[Mugen]

I'm happy Lakerfan is crawling out from under the fridge, makes the board a lot better tbh.

We add a ramp to this thread and we can get cobbler back with his medals. :lol

Is Culburn still alive? Somebody needs to check the desert obituaries if any known pedos kicked the bucket in the last 2 years...

[DeadlyDynasty]

cut you losses, go out find another quality looking skank.
Easier said than done in a small market

[SpursDynasty85]

He's not 100 percent innocent, but you'd expect an organization like the Spurs to handle it like men rather than have their freeloading vets bad mouth him to the press on Pop's orders

Lol feeding into media narrative. Spurs have protected him for a long time. Manu and TP comments were nothing of the sort. Kawhi's been handled by his uncle and completely tripping since August 8th.

[SpursforSix]

oh...and should the Laker's ever win a title with Leonard, it's another asterisk.

either:
*1 - league allowed them to tamper
*2 - Lakers needed Pop to develop their best player

or something else.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I'm happy Lakerfan is crawling out from under the fridge, makes the board a lot better tbh.

We add a ramp to this thread and we can get cobbler back with his medals. :lol

Is Culburn still alive? Somebody needs to check the desert obituations if any known pedos kicked the bucket in the last 2 years...
Life is a little better with us around:toast

[Dre_7]

Your most hated rival just signed the best player in the game, the Warriors got another allstar, and Kawhi just told Pop to fuck off.

Yeah I'm sure you're just loving this offseason:lmao:lmao

Exactly, you guys got the best player in the world. You should be happy and celebrating that instead of focusing on the Spurs. Why are you all so concerned about making sure the Spurs get something back for Kawhi?? Seriously. No Laker fan has been able to answer that question, yet all over social media they are imploring the Spurs to trade him now so they don't lose out. So no, I am not miserable.

[cd98]

Exactly, you guys got the best player in the world. You should be happy and celebrating that instead of focusing on the Spurs. Why are you all so concerned about making sure the Spurs get something back for Kawhi?? Seriously. No Laker fan has been able to answer that question, yet all over social media they are imploring the Spurs to trade him now so they don't lose out. So no, I am not miserable.

Did Durant sign with the Lakers?

[Trainwreck2100]

Easier said than done in a small market
it'll take time, but these things take time, lakers scraps won't do anything to shorten that time either.

[stu scotts eye]

Thanks Beadle. Let's pile on this shit media. Speak your mind.

And who gives a fu5k what these Lakers losers are saying. They're just happy to get a double take now from the guys. They've been fat 4s for the past decade, just got a t1t job and lipo and are now a 6.5 (when wearing heels and a short skirt).

[Mr. Body]

Exactly, you guys got the best player in the world. You should be happy and celebrating that instead of focusing on the Spurs. Why are you all so concerned about making sure the Spurs get something back for Kawhi?? Seriously. No Laker fan has been able to answer that question, yet all over social media they are imploring the Spurs to trade him now so they don't lose out. So no, I am not miserable.

Lakers fans know LeBron can't fix this team. They're in a mild panic..

[Mugen]

Exactly, you guys got the best player in the world. You should be happy and celebrating that instead of focusing on the Spurs. Why are you all so concerned about making sure the Spurs get something back for Kawhi?? Seriously. No Laker fan has been able to answer that question, yet all over social media they are imploring the Spurs to trade him now so they don't lose out. So no, I am not miserable.

Cuz deep down they know that Bron coming won't mean shit in the long-term. They got a lot of pep in their step from it but they'll still need to hedge the fuck out of the situation. :lol

[Sheriff Hoyt]

Badmouth him to the press? I don't believe they called him fat on tv like Kobe did Shaq :lol

[DeadlyDynasty]

I'm sure the Spurs handled it as best they could. It's likely a situation that you can't really handle. But buyer beware, he goes to any other team and this erratic behavior is unlikely to change. I mean, didn't the Lakers just have a player announce an injury to prevent him from being traded? Dysfunction can happen anywhere if you have players/family that are crazy. Don't be surprised if you get Kawhi and half way through the season he decides he hates playing with LeBron and he hates playing in LA and just stops showing up to games and practice and claims he's injured and then runs and hides in NY. LA has had their share of disasters: Bynum Bowling...Dwight Howard not wanting to learn how to win...Ball family...Artest...but they better be ready to take on an unpredictable headache.
I agree on Kawhi on all fronts...we don't know where his head or body is at right now, which devalues what you can get in return for him. I'm all for having him audition on some team for a year to prove he was the player he was before all this drama, before rashly signing him with a high risk potential.

He could end up on either LA team, Philly, whomever, but it won't be the Spurs come next offseason, and that alone brings a smile to my face:lol

[Killakobe81]

I'm happy Lakerfan is crawling out from under the fridge, makes the board a lot better tbh.

We add a ramp to this thread and we can get cobbler back with his medals. :lol

Is Culburn still alive? Somebody needs to check the desert obituaries if any known pedos kicked the bucket in the last 2 years...

That dude has abandoned his Lakers Dom to be Trump's personal fluffer. He posts almost as much as he used to here when in repeat mode thanking Trump for Maga and polishing his balls on every move good or bad.
EVEN casually political black liberals never did this with Obama.

[Dverde]

But Isiah Thomas....

[Play Boban]

Man his dad died when he was 17, not 7. He got whipped by his Uncle as a damn near adult.

His dad never married his mother anyways. His uncle was probably his father figure all along tbh. Maybe if his dad had been around he wouldn't have been so messed up.

[DPG21920]

:lmaoStill holding out hope that he'll sign long-term...you lovable little scamp, you

Not at all. I’m just saying SA has the asset. A valuable asset. SA may end up losing him for nothing, but as long as he’s not a Laker I’m good :lol

[Mugen]

That dude has abandoned his Lakers Dom to be Trump's personal fluffer. He posts almost as much as he used to here when in repeat mode thanking Trump for Maga and polishing his balls on every move good or bad.
EVEN casually political black liberals never did this with Obama.

:lol How does that not surprise me at all

[Trainwreck2100]

I agree on Kawhi on all fronts...we don't know where his head or body is at right now, which devalues what you can get in return for him. I'm all for having him audition on some team for a year to prove he was the player he was before all this drama, before rashly signing him with a high risk potential.

He could end up on either LA team, Philly, whomever, but it won't be the Spurs come next offseason, and that alone brings a smile to my face:lol

why?

[DeadlyDynasty]

Not at all. I’m just saying SA has the asset. A valuable asset. SA may end up losing him for nothing, but as long as he’s not a Laker I’m good :lol
and that's my same feeling, brother...as long as he shuns your franchise I can live with wherever he goes

[RGMCSE]

Say what you want about Kawhi, I don't think he'd want to sit out an entire year again.

There has to be some competitive bone left in his body and if Uncle Dennis says hey you can't go to Team USA camps, you can't go to Spurs training camp, you can't play this season....well that might just be the nudge needed to break the spell :lol


No matter what Pop’s got em cornered. You gonna face the music one way or another.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Holy crap Michelle Beadle just went off

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=24014739

Beads!

[DeadlyDynasty]

why?
Because we don't like each other and it's fun when you see your enemies suffer

[DPG21920]

That dude has abandoned his Lakers Dom to be Trump's personal fluffer. He posts almost as much as he used to here when in repeat mode thanking Trump for Maga and polishing his balls on every move good or bad.
EVEN casually political black liberals never did this with Obama.

You are one of the good ones :tu Stuck around, called out not wanting PG before he spurned LA vs other fans wanting him then acting like he sucks only AFTER he decided to stay in OKC.

Happy for you that you landed Bron.

[Dverde]

This entire saga makes me appreciate TD even more. Spurs need a statue or name the court after him after this ordeal.

[DPG21920]

and that's my same feeling, brother...as long as he shuns your franchise I can live with wherever he goes

The difference is we would expect to suck if Kawhi leaves. If LA keeps Ingram/Kuzma over Kawhi and they don’t ring with Lebron on their team? Oh boyyyyyyy. The hot takes are coming!

[Mugen]

Because we don't like each other and it's fun when you see your enemies suffer

:lol Glad to know it's been a rough 5 or 6 years for ya, DD. I'm happy you're back but glad you cared enough to come running back.

[Atl Spur]

He's not 100 percent innocent, but you'd expect an organization like the Spurs to handle it like men rather than have their freeloading vets bad mouth him to the press on Pop's orders

You’re funny guy; because that’s what this is all about....... We’ll see how long that smile stays on your face.

[JPB]

That dude has abandoned his Lakers Dom to be Trump's personal fluffer. He posts almost as much as he used to here when in repeat mode thanking Trump for Maga and polishing his balls on every move good or bad.
EVEN casually political black liberals never did this with Obama.

So you have your Ducks too.

[Spurs da champs]

Spurs need Ingram.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs need Ingram.

To do what? Clean the gutters?

[RGMCSE]

Spurs need Ingram.

Lol nah.

[JPB]

Spurs need Ingram.

I'm sure they have an account already

[DPG21920]

and that's my same feeling, brother...as long as he shuns your franchise I can live with wherever he goes

Let me ask you this and I know you will answer honestly:

Do you really think Kawhi, especially knowing he will re-sign with the Lakers and getting him a full year early, isn’t worth Ingram/Kuz/Ball + draft picks that will be in the late 20s?

[cd98]

I agree on Kawhi on all fronts...we don't know where his head or body is at right now, which devalues what you can get in return for him. I'm all for having him audition on some team for a year to prove he was the player he was before all this drama, before rashly signing him with a high risk potential.

He could end up on either LA team, Philly, whomever, but it won't be the Spurs come next offseason, and that alone brings a smile to my face:lol

I get it, but I actually think the Spurs would be worse off with him. Supermax that guy and you are held hostage to that contract and all you have is the hope that he will try and live up to it. If the Lakers give him the max in free agency, you never know what he will do when that media light shines on him and he starts feeling the pressure. To be honest, I mirror Wright, I hope he gets traded to LA so he sees what he had and lost in SA. And I hope we get Ingram and a few picks along the way.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Let me ask you this and I know you will answer honestly:

Do you really think Kawhi, especially knowing he will re-sign with the Lakers and getting him a full year early, isn’t worth Ingram/Kuz/Ball + draft picks that will be in the late 20s?
Wasn't the deal 2-3 draft picks plus another 2 draft swaps? Hell no. I don't want to be the team to make a Herschel Walker 2.0 trade

[Spurs da champs]

To do what? Clean the gutters?
Quit hating for once. Leonard is damaged goods & a cancer, Ingram is a star in the making. Aside from Tatum, there is not a better young prospect the Spurs could hope for.

[cd98]

Let me ask you this and I know you will answer honestly:

Do you really think Kawhi, especially knowing he will re-sign with the Lakers and getting him a full year early, isn’t worth Ingram/Kuz/Ball + draft picks that will be in the late 20s?

As a Spur fan, I'd honestly say I don't know. The guy is coming of an "injury" and he is run by a bunch of amateurs that don't mind sabotaging a team to get their way. If they can't deal with Pop and the Spurs, a group that notoriously is pro-player, how are they going to react to a Laker organization that has been garbage since Jerry West left them.

[DPG21920]

Wasn't the deal 2-3 draft picks plus another 2 draft swaps? Hell no. I don't want to be the team to make a Herschel Walker 2.0 trade

Walker was in his absolute prime for 4-5 more years?

I’m asking you, if the deal was Ingram/Lonzo/Kuz and let’s say 2 first round picks (no additional swaps), do you think it’s worth it for Kawhi?

[DPG21920]

As a Spur fan, I'd honestly say I don't know. The guy is coming of an "injury" and he is run by a bunch of amateurs that don't mind sabotaging a team to get their way. If they can't deal with Pop and the Spurs, a group that notoriously is pro-player, how are they going to react to a Laker organization that has been garbage since Jerry West left them.

Lakers have been tampering to get Kawhi. They know he won’t be that way with him and that he’s healthy.

[DeadlyDynasty]

:lol Glad to know it's been a rough 5 or 6 years for ya, DD. I'm happy you're back but glad you cared enough to come running back.
:lolOf course my dude. I could either talk shit with the fellas or watch poverty ball right now. What would you do?

[cd98]

Lakers have been tampering to get Kawhi. They know he won’t be that way with him and that he’s healthy.

I wouldn't bet on it. It's not normal to have a player tell a team paying him $18 million that he can't play because he's "injured" and then run and hide when that team comes to check up on his "injury."

[DeadlyDynasty]

Walker was in his absolute prime for 4-5 more years?

I’m asking you, if the deal was Ingram/Lonzo/Kuz and let’s say 2 first round picks (no additional swaps), do you think it’s worth it for Kawhi?
With a guarantee that he resigns long-term? It would be a tough decision but I'm a gambler and would probably roll the dice.

My reservations would lie with Kawhi's physical and mental well-being though (as stated before). If we're talking pre-injury/drama Kawhi, it's a no-brainer. Do the deal.