Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[DPG21920]

Ball Ingram Kuz or bust

[Hoops Czar]

Environment is as much of a organizational thing as it is a players thing. A few years ago, all you saw were photos of Mills, Diaw, Splitter, Manu, etc hanging out and having fun. Tim created that culture as much as anyone else. Pop always looks like he's enjoying himself, joking around, etc. At least in front of the cameras. It is a business and things need to be done for winning, etc. But no one ever claimed or thought about the Spurs locker room/organization being a mess like Sac or LAL a few years ago ..

Now, Kwahi and LMA lead this team, what kind of culture do we have? Only players I see positively contributing to it are Murray, Green, Mills and Manu ... Kwahi seems like he's distanced himself from everyone else. If he's not having "fun", maybe he should look in the mirror to find out why.

Does he think being in a bigger city in front of much more media attention, etc is going to be more fun?

I don't know but I can't help but think LMA is partly the reason he doesn't want to be here and when the Spurs signed him to an extension, the shit hit the fan.

[DPG21920]

It was one man wrecking crew. They also got huge contributions from very unlikely sources like Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili. Lightning doesn't usually strike twice in the same place. When Kawhi went down, the Spurs flamed out in epic fashion.

Nah. Kawhi was resting while LMA crapped on HOU to get SA to the WCF.

[lmbebo]

I don't know but I can't help but think LMA is partly the reason he doesn't want to be here and when the Spurs signed him to an extension, the shit hit the fan.

Maybe he is ..

[SAGirl]

sure, buddy.
Not saying KL wont be a Spur next year but even if he signs this is far from over.
Evrytime he gets nicked up this will all come back to the forefront.
I think the lets kiss and make-up dreamers are bing naive ...I am NOT saying it can not or WILL NOT be repaired ...
but acting as though just paying him will solve this mess is awfully naive.

which is why the Spurs haven't just paid him up... though at this point it's really tough to believe anything.

[Killakobe81]

How do you rate Ingram compared to Jaylen Brown?

I think slightly better.
Depends on what you value.
Ingram will be the better play-maker and I think the better shooter but he has been working on his range.
As it stands I think jaylen is the better defender (though Ingram can narrow that and has crazy length) and is definitely the more fluid natural athlete.

His shrinking in the ECF worries me though. Before they faced cavs I was in the ainge wont and shouldnt give you guys brown for KL since he is cheaper.
but in KL's first playoff run NEVER looked like Brown did (mediocre) vs. the cavs.

But now IF I were the celts and spurs would be willing to take Jaylen for KL I do that in less than 3 seconds ...
If reports are true you guys are right to insist on Tatum.

Like I said last week no matter where spurs trade KL they HAVE to get their best young prospect along with a pick. Period. Since they cant get Simmons that would rule out Philly. Clips have no one like that and so to me it's Ingram AFTER Tatum. but ahead of Fultz and josh jackson. if celts give you Tatum you take it.

[Hoops Czar]

That tends to happen when your best player gets taken out.
Exactly, it wasn't a so-called plug n' play system built around culture that the Spurs supposedly forged 20 years ago but a one man wrecking crew.

[DPG21920]

Tatum > Brown > Jackson > Ingram > Fultz IMO

[look_at_g_shred]

Tatum > Brown > Jackson > Ingram > Fultz IMO
i'd put ingram and fultz ahead of jackson

[SAGirl]

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thanks bron sources...
would have loved Bron in the Spurs even on a one year deal personally, but Kiwi had to be a ... :bang

[Hoops Czar]

Nah. Kawhi was resting while LMA crapped on HOU to get SA to the WCF.

He was a complete no show after Kawhi went down vs GS. I'm not buying into the triple teaming theory as to why his game suddenly fell off a cliff. He couldn't even help hold a 24 point lead with under 16 minutes left to play in Game 1 of the WCF's

[Killakobe81]

Tatum > Brown > Jackson > Ingram > Fultz IMO

We agree to disagree. I like Jaylen's intellect personality more than any of them including Tatum's but I would say Tatum>Ingram>Brown>jackson>Fultz.

From Kevin O'connor of the Ringer:
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Brandon Ingram is who I'd want for Kawhi Leonard if I'm the Spurs. Ingram is 6-foot-9 with long arms, scoring ability from all levels, passing vision, good in P&R, smooth footwork, defensive versatility. Improved fundamentally and physically. Turns 21 soon. Ingram can be a stud.

[NASpurs]

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2018/06/28/the-clock-is-ticking-on-the-lakers-and-not-just-because-magic-johnson-says-so/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.dcff14554fc5


In an attempt to sweeten the pot, multiple sources said the Lakers and Denver Nuggets are discussing a potential deal that would see Los Angeles take back bad money for a draft pick. The Nuggets, who will be deep into the luxury tax after re-signing restricted free agent center Nikola Jokic next month, have about $34 million in expiring contracts for Kenneth Faried, Darrell Arthur and Wilson Chandler to send out in possible deals.


It’s reasonable to assume such a deal would only happen if it was necessary to get a Leonard trade over the finish line. There’s always a chance Ball could be moved elsewhere for other assets San Antonio may prefer, as well.

[HarlemHeat37]

Brandon Ingram's past season, which some considered a "breakout" :

13.8 PER(overrated stat, but still relevant for high usage players), 53.6 TS%(ew), .068 WS per 48(disgusting) and NEGATIVE on/off metrics..

I don't have a problem with anybody being intrigued by his potential, he's only entering year 3 in the NBA, but he's shown nothing special so far in the league..he's had 1 notable month in 2 seasons..if you compare him to star wing players of the 2000s/2010s, only Giannis(who is more of a PF) showed as little as Ingram has through 2 seasons..

Kuzma is largely irrelevant..comparing him to Bertans is silly:lol but you can find volume scorers who don't do anything else all around the NBA and in every draft(I think Spurs fans get enamored with those types because the Spurs never seen to pursue any of them, which is why somebody like Rudy Gay became an instant favorite)

[Killakobe81]

Not denying Brown is better than BI is RIght now.
He actually was better than Tatum/Jackson too.
But this is future projections ...

[DPG21920]

He was a complete no show after Kawhi went down vs GS. I'm not buying into the triple teaming theory as to why his game suddenly fell off a cliff. He couldn't even help hold a 24 point lead with under 16 minutes left to play in Game 1 of the WCF's

Son without Kawhi this year he beasted on GS

[DPG21920]

We agree to disagree. I like Jaylen's intellect personality more than any of them including Tatum's but I would say Tatum>Ingram>Brown>jackson>Fultz.

From Kevin O'connor of the Ringer:
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Brandon Ingram is who I'd want for Kawhi Leonard if I'm the Spurs. Ingram is 6-foot-9 with long arms, scoring ability from all levels, passing vision, good in P&R, smooth footwork, defensive versatility. Improved fundamentally and physically. Turns 21 soon. Ingram can be a stud.

I like Ingram. Saying I have him less than the other 3 isn’t a knock. I would be very happy with Ingram as long as it came with much more than Kuz.

[Spurs da champs]

Yeah, long term I think Ingram can be really good to possibly great, durability is the major concern tho.

Brown, I honestly dont know how much better he can get, that's the worry I have him in regards to him being a centerpiece for Kawhi.

[dbestpro]

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2018/06/28/the-clock-is-ticking-on-the-lakers-and-not-just-because-magic-johnson-says-so/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.dcff14554fc5

The Spurs are going to try and get Richard Jefferson back from Denver.

[HarlemHeat37]

The reality is that if these guys had played for the Pistons or Hornets last year, nobody would think anything of them:lol

[daslicer]

Exactly, it wasn't a so-called plug n' play system built around culture that the Spurs supposedly forged 20 years ago but a one man wrecking crew.

Look at what happened to the Rox once CP3 went down. CP3 is the Rox second best player and they couldn't win the final 2 games against the Warriors despite having a great system. So again you are just full of shit to me.

[Spurs9]

"Tim Botempts reports, according to multiple sources, the Nuggets are discussing a trade to send a draft pick to the Lakers, with L.A. then taking on some combination of the contracts of Kenneth Faried, Darrell Arthur and/or Wilson Chandler.
In an attempt to sweeten the pot, multiple sources said the Lakers and Denver Nuggets are discussing a potential deal that would see Los Angeles take back bad money for a draft pick. The Nuggets, who will be deep into the luxury tax after re-signing restricted free agent center Nikola Jokic next month, have about $34 million in expiring contracts for Kenneth Faried, Darrell Arthur and Wilson Chandler to send out in possible deals.

It’s reasonable to assume such a deal would only happen if it was necessary to get a Leonard trade over the finish line. There’s always a chance Ball could be moved elsewhere for other assets San Antonio may prefer, as well."

[CGD]

Zach Lowe on The Jump: The package that the Lakers and Spurs would consider "the line" is Ingram, Kuzma, and two first round picks. More and it's too much for the Lakers, but less and it's not enough for San Antonio.

Not terrible depending on picks

[cd98]

Getting a pick from Denver? A team likely to make the playoffs? Seems eh.

[Killakobe81]

Andrew Sharp on BI:
Sharp: I don't think Ingram is a guy that you can build your team around. He's not going to be a franchise guy but I think he is an all-star that can fit with any team in the NBA. I think that is where he will be in year five or six and that is still pretty early.

I think he has more potential than that but wanted to give both sides of views on him ...
I agree you cant build around him but i say he is a all-star in two years.

If he stays with us I firmly believe he can be a #2 on a legit contender in a few years ...
Problem is if Lebron is coming we wont have patience to see it through.
KL on OTOH if healthy can be a #1 on a legit contender and has proven THAT ...

[gambit1990]

The reality is that if these guys had played for the Pistons or Hornets last year, nobody would think anything of them:lol
yeah, that’s why i don’t think anything of them.

[spurraider21]

ingram's advanced stats were atrocious across the board last year, despite his decent box score averages. his offense looks like rich man's kyle anderson but his defense is shit

[Killakobe81]

I like Ingram. Saying I have him less than the other 3 isn’t a knock. I would be very happy with Ingram as long as it came with much more than Kuz.

I hear ya hey I prefer we keep Kuz anyways.
Not saying Tatum can be a sure #1 on a contender like KL ...but Of those guys I woudl bet on him first if my life depended on it.
the other thing i like about BI besides Jackson and Brown he the only other guy I see being a real impact on both sides. Tatum and fultz will try on that end and Fultz and Tatum show decent instincts on defense.
But because they are offense first guys I doubt they will ever get after it consistently like KL has shown and even Brown to a lessor extent. BI has shown flashes of good defense but I think brown is better on that end.

OF that group I think Ingram will be the best playmaker even over Fultz.

[Killakobe81]

ingram's advanced stats were atrocious across the board last year, despite his decent box score averages. his offense looks like rich man's kyle anderson but his defense is shit

gotta watch him.
he is improving on defense.
He also played a lot of mins out of position.

[cd021]

Oh, definitely. If you can get Fultz, Saric, NOT Covington but other salary filler (Bayless? he's an ending contract), and that Miami unprotected 2021 pick, you do it.


I'm not sure why Covington would bee out of the deal; I'm sure Philly would rather keep Saric than Covington, though the Spurs might value Saric move than Covington.

Covington, Fultz, Bayless, J. Anderson, Parsekniks, and Miami's 2021 pick for Kawhi and Mills

Murray-Parker
Fultz-Manu?, White-Walker,
Covington-Green-J. Anderson
Anderson-Bertans
Aldridge-Gasol- Milutinov?

*Spurs could waive Bayless if roster spots are an issue.

[HarlemHeat37]

If this was another team, I'd probably take the deal if it was Ingram, a lottery pick(top 3 protected at worst) from a mediocre to bad team(that they would acquire from trading Lonzo), another mid-to-late 1st and filler..

But the fact that it's the Lakers and that the Spurs would be bringing them back to life is the part that makes it difficult:lol those pieces are not worth the loss of dignity..

Such a difficult position for Pop, though..trying to balance the well-being of the franchise vs. giving the man who quit on you what he demands vs. helping the Lakers..a few months after losing your wife..

[NASpurs]

gotta watch him.
he is improving on defense.
He also played a lot of mins out of position.

It's like this nigga is a used car salesman trying to sell us a lemon. :lol

[Hoops Czar]

Look at what happened to the Rox once CP3 went down. CP3 is the Rox second best player and they couldn't win the final 2 games against the Warriors despite having a great system. So again you are just full of shit to me.
Without CP3, The Rockets are just a no D playing, 3 point chucking, championship contending wannabe like they were last year.

[Dex]

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First Kuz throwing out cryptic tweets, now Hart.

[midnightpulp]

Brandon Ingram's past season, which some considered a "breakout" :

13.8 PER(overrated stat, but still relevant for high usage players), 53.6 TS%(ew), .068 WS per 48(disgusting) and NEGATIVE on/off metrics..

I don't have a problem with anybody being intrigued by his potential, he's only entering year 3 in the NBA, but he's shown nothing special so far in the league..he's had 1 notable month in 2 seasons..if you compare him to star wing players of the 2000s/2010s, only Giannis(who is more of a PF) showed as little as Ingram has through 2 seasons..

Kuzma is largely irrelevant..comparing him to Bertans is silly:lol but you can find volume scorers who don't do anything else all around the NBA and in every draft(I think Spurs fans get enamored with those types because the Spurs never seen to pursue any of them, which is why somebody like Rudy Gay became an instant favorite)

My issue with ingram is that even if he does turn into a star, he ain't playing his peak years as a Spur. We all know how dudes get depressed when they're traded from the Lakers. It made lama Odom suicidal :lol

[baseline bum]

I hope yall dont burn his jersey s and cry if he leaves but who knows nowadays ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgTHqk7ctK0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3inWA4samro

[HarlemHeat37]

My issue with ingram is that even if he does turn into a star, he ain't playing his peak years as a Spur. We all know how dudes get depressed when they're traded from the Lakers. It made lama Odom suicidal :lol

I don't know anything about Ingram in that way, never heard anything about him off the court, but I'd bet a lot that Kuzma would suffer severe depression from leaving them..I haaaatteee niggas like that, the worst kind, typical Nick Young, social media coons..

[Dex]

My issue with ingram is that even if he does turn into a star, he ain't playing his peak years as a Spur. We all know how dudes get depressed when they're traded from the Lakers. It made lama Odom suicidal :lol

That's my concern about these trades. To be frank, Kawhi fucked his trade value to the point where the best package we realistically may get is Ingram, Kuzma, and maybe Hart. Ingram, particularly, is probably going to want more money than he is worth in three years, and none of the them will probably have a lot of interest in staying around long term.

[daslicer]

My issue with ingram is that even if he does turn into a star, he ain't playing his peak years as a Spur. We all know how dudes get depressed when they're traded from the Lakers. It made lama Odom suicidal :lol

Only guys I can recall playing better after the Lakers traded them was Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel, Campbell but then again all 3 of those guys hated the way the LA media treated them while they were on the Lakers.

[coachmac87]

That's my concern about these trades. To be frank, Kawhi fucked his trade value to the point where the best package we realistically may get is Ingram, Kuzma, and maybe Hart. Ingram, particularly, is probably going to want more money than he is worth in three years, and none of the them will probably have a lot of interest in staying around long term.

Replace Hart with Wagner and I’d feel 10x better

[baseline bum]

It's like this nigga is a used car salesman trying to sell us a lemon. :lol

:lmao

[SuperCam]

My issue with ingram is that even if he does turn into a star, he ain't playing his peak years as a Spur. We all know how dudes get depressed when they're traded from the Lakers. It made lama Odom suicidal :lol

ingram is from shithole kinston nc, san antonio might as well be London compared to that

[picnroll]

Not terrible depending on picks

So three mid round picks including the Spurs in a weak draft year. Meh

[cd021]

gotta watch him.
he is improving on defense.
He also played a lot of mins out of position.

I've watched him several times, he just doesn't seem like that good of a prospect; then theres the numbers which definitely don't seem to suggest that he's going to be an all-star caliber player.

[RD2191]

I don't know anything about Ingram in that way, never heard anything about him off the court, but I'd bet a lot that Kuzma would suffer severe depression from leaving them..I haaaatteee niggas like that, the worst kind, typical Nick Young, social media coons..

Kuzma definitely seems like a huge faggot tbh

[cd021]

So three mid round picks including the Spurs in a weak draft year. Meh
I think the picks would be in 2019 and 2021, so the Spurs would have two picks in those years, still a bad deal even if it was for 3.

[InRareForm]

Ingram may not be that player right now, but his ceiling is high imo. He may will or not reach it but from watching Laker games I think he can

[rjv]

kuzma is ryan anderson with more melanin.

[spurschamps99030507]

San Antonio Spurs Almost Ready to Cut Ties With Kawhi LeonardThe San Antonio Spurs are moving closer to cutting ties with their superstar forward Kawhi Leonard, according to two people familiar with the team’s thinking, though the timetable on a potential trade remains unclear.
Realizing that hopes of repairing its damaged relationship with Leonard are fading by the day, San Antonio is ready to move on from Leonard provided that a palatable trade offer materializes this off-season, according to the people, who were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly.
The Spurs have until the N.B.A.’s annual trade deadline in February 2019 to keep weighing their options before they risk losing Leonard without compensation when he becomes a free agent next summer.
But the Los Angeles Lakers and the Philadelphia 76ers have been pressing the Spurs to trade Leonard this week, as both teams believe that acquiring Leonard would put them in pole position to try to sign LeBron James away from the Cleveland Cavaliers when free agency starts Sunday at 12:01 a.m., Eastern time.


The Boston Celtics and the Los Angeles Clippers are also known trade suitors for Leonard, whose reported desire to be dealt — to one of the Los Angeles teams, preferably the Lakers — emerged earlier this month.
The growing uncertainty about Leonard’s future has thus become perhaps the second-biggest story line in the league next to James’s third career foray into free agency. James has until 11:59 p.m. Friday to formally decline his $35.6 million option with Cleveland for next season, which would allow the Lakers, the 76ers and the Houston Rockets to begin their bids in earnest to try to persuade James, a three-time N.B.A. champion and Northeast Ohio native, to leave his home-state Cavaliers.
Other marquee free agents include the Houston All-Star guard Chris Paul, who is widely expected to stay with the Rockets after they came within one win of an N.B.A. finals berth, as well as the Oklahoma City Thunder star forward Paul George, who grew up in Southern California and is deciding between a move to his hometown Lakers and staying with the Thunder.
Kevin Durant, the reigning two-time N.B.A. finals most valuable player, will also become a free agent on Sunday, but Durant has this month said repeatedly that he intends to stay with the Golden State Warriors after winning back-to-back championships in his first two seasons in the Bay Area.


The Lakers’ pursuit of Leonard, a two-time N.B.A. defensive player of the year, could hinge on San Antonio’s willingness to trade him to its longtime Western Conference rivals, especially since the Spurs naturally fear that the acquisition of Leonard would lead to the Lakers adding James or George, or both.
But Leonard’s reported desire to play out the final season of his contract and sign with the Lakers in July 2019 as a free agent could prevent teams such as Boston and Philadelphia from matching the Lakers’ best trade offer for Leonard. The Lakers could assemble a trade package featuring highly rated up-and-coming players such as Kyle Kuzma, Brandon Ingram and Josh Hart as well as multiple first-round picks.
The Lakers could likewise decide that it’s counterproductive to give up so much in a trade for Leonard if he is willing to sign with them in free agency in a year. That’s the painful conclusion the Knicks reached after they gave up so much to acquire the All-Star forward Carmelo Anthony in February 2011 and struggled thereafter to build a quality roster around him.


The Lakers, though, took the patient approach a year ago when the Indiana Pacers made George available via trade, figuring that they would be able to comfortably sign him this summer. The Thunder jumped in, however, with a trade for George, who has enjoyed his time alongside the All-Star guard Russell Westbrook and has given increased consideration in recent weeks to staying in Oklahoma City — perhaps on a two-year deal that would allow George to return to free agency as early as July 2019.
Another factor affecting Leonard’s fate is his health. The lingering effects from a mysterious quadriceps injury limited the 2014 N.B.A. finals M.V.P. to nine games last season and could make teams like Boston — the club widely hailed as possessing the league’s most attractive collection of trade pieces — hesitant to make the Spurs an asset-rich offer.
San Antonio Coach Gregg Popovich recently met face-to-face with Leonard in San Diego in an attempted first step toward repairing the team’s fractured partnership with its best player. But the summit appears to have done little to dampen Leonard’s desire to move on, despite the fact that San Antonio is the only team in the league capable of offering him a five-year “supermax” extension between mid-July and mid-October worth an estimated $219 million.
The frosty state of the partnership (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/16/sports/basketball/san-antonio-spurs-face-an-unfamiliar-opponent-down-the-stretch-discontent.html) was clear during San Antonio’s first-round playoff loss to Golden State, when Leonard, 26, continued his injury rehabilitation away from the team and attended none of the Spurs’ five postseason games. ESPN reported this month that Leonard felt “the franchise turned on him” during the season once he started receiving outside treatment for his quadriceps tendinopathy in New York.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/28/sports/kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs.html?smid=tw-nytsports&smtyp=cur

[TD 21]

The Nuggets were immediately the team I thought of when it was reported that the Lakers were looking to take back "dead money" (Faried) for a 1st. So when Lowe says Ingram, Kuzma, 2 1sts, the other one would probably be from them, which is likely to be in the 15-20 range.

Since timing is paramount to the Lakers, this is well past the point of posturing, so don't buy this "Ingram and a pick" nonsense.

Think I know what the reaction will be, but if it took Spurs lottery protected '19 1st, to get all 3 of Ingram, Ball (rerouted for Bamba or Jackson), Kuzma, would you do it? I don't care about mid-late 1sts, Hart, Wagner, or salary dumping Mills or Gasol. The way I see it, Spurs would essentially forfeit that and probably trade a mid 1st, for a shot at another possible foundational piece (Bamba or Jackson).

[SpursBills]

My issue with ingram is that even if he does turn into a star, he ain't playing his peak years as a Spur. We all know how dudes get depressed when they're traded from the Lakers. It made lama Odom suicidal :lol

I agree with this. If you have to trade Kawhi for young players, may as well trade for someone just starting a rookie contract. I'd give another call to Memphis. Kawhi for Parsons, Jaren Jackson Jr, future 1st rounder and see if they'll bite. They get an all nba player to make a playoff run next year with Gasol and Conley, and get Parsons' contract off the books. Spurs get a future all-defense building block with 4 years left on his contract who can get indoctrinated into spurs culture early.

[cd021]

Brandon Ingram's past season, which some considered a "breakout" :

13.8 PER(overrated stat, but still relevant for high usage players), 53.6 TS%(ew), .068 WS per 48(disgusting) and NEGATIVE on/off metrics..


For those wanting a baseline; 15 P.E.R, 56% TS% and .100 win shares per 48 minutes is about league average.

Also his rookie numbers were horrid; 8.5 P.E.R, 47% TS, and -.007 win shares per 48 minutes (I thought I was reading that wrong)

[baseline bum]

Kuzma definitely seems like a huge faggot tbh

He'd fit right in on this roster then.

[Spurs9]

The Nuggets were immediately the team I thought of when it was reported that the Lakers were looking to take back "dead money" (Faried) for a 1st. So when Lowe says Ingram, Kuzma, 2 1sts, the other one would probably be from them, which is likely to be in the 15-20 range.

Since timing is paramount to the Lakers, this is well past the point of posturing, so don't buy this "Ingram and a pick" nonsense.

Think I know what the reaction will be, but if it took Spurs lottery protected '19 1st, to get all 3 of Ingram, Ball (rerouted for Bamba or Jackson), Kuzma, would you do it? I don't care about mid-late 1sts, Hart, Wagner, or salary dumping Mills or Gasol. The way I see it, Spurs would essentially forfeit that and probably trade a mid 1st, for a shot at another possible foundational piece (Bamba or Jackson).
Of course I would do it, thats a nice haul for Kawhi. Other teams aren't going to nearly offer that much.

[BatManu20]

The Nuggets were immediately the team I thought of when it was reported that the Lakers were looking to take back "dead money" (Faried) for a 1st. So when Lowe says Ingram, Kuzma, 2 1sts, the other one would probably be from them, which is likely to be in the 15-20 range.

Since timing is paramount to the Lakers, this is well past the point of posturing, so don't buy this "Ingram and a pick" nonsense.

Think I know what the reaction will be, but if it took Spurs lottery protected '19 1st, to get all 3 of Ingram, Ball (rerouted for Bamba or Jackson), Kuzma, would you do it? I don't care about mid-late 1sts, Hart, Wagner, or salary dumping Mills or Gasol. The way I see it, Spurs would essentially forfeit that and probably trade a mid 1st, for a shot at another possible foundational piece (Bamba or Jackson).


I don’t see why the Suns would trade Jackson for Lonzo at this point, especially with how fucking annoying and cancerous his is. You’d have a better chance of getting Mikal Bridges from them than Jackson imo.

[exstatic]

I'm not sure why Covington would bee out of the deal; I'm sure Philly would rather keep Saric than Covington, though the Spurs might value Saric move than Covington.

Covington, Fultz, Bayless, J. Anderson, Parsekniks, and Miami's 2021 pick for Kawhi and Mills

Murray-Parker
Fultz-Manu?, White-Walker,
Covington-Green-J. Anderson
Anderson-Bertans
Aldridge-Gasol- Milutinov?

*Spurs could waive Bayless if roster spots are an issue.

Covington is 27, has never been even a league average player by PER, and is slated to make $45-46M over the next four years. DO NOT WANT.

[MoSpur02]

which is why the Spurs haven't just paid him up... though at this point it's really tough to believe anything.

From what I have been told him and his group want the max deal. Spurs aren't wanting to commit all that money because of the question mark regarding his health.

[RD2191]

He'd fit right in on this roster then.

:lol

[BatManu20]

Covington is 27, has never been even a league average player by PER, and is slated to make $45-46M over the next four years. DO NOT WANT.


Seconded. He’s overpaid and overrated, and 20 year-old Tatum ripped him a new asshole in the playoffs this year. Exposed that “great defense” he supposedly played.

[DPG21920]

The Nuggets were immediately the team I thought of when it was reported that the Lakers were looking to take back "dead money" (Faried) for a 1st. So when Lowe says Ingram, Kuzma, 2 1sts, the other one would probably be from them, which is likely to be in the 15-20 range.

Since timing is paramount to the Lakers, this is well past the point of posturing, so don't buy this "Ingram and a pick" nonsense.

Think I know what the reaction will be, but if it took Spurs lottery protected '19 1st, to get all 3 of Ingram, Ball (rerouted for Bamba or Jackson), Kuzma, would you do it? I don't care about mid-late 1sts, Hart, Wagner, or salary dumping Mills or Gasol. The way I see it, Spurs would essentially forfeit that and probably trade a mid 1st, for a shot at another possible foundational piece (Bamba or Jackson).

Of course! Im just thinking at this point it doesn’t look like that is remotely possible but that is what myself and Eric have been proposing all along.

[ducks]

How would New York writer know anything

[cd98]

Welp. It's not like the Spurs would get Brandon Ingram and have three years to develop him. They would have one year and after that one year, they would have to decide how much they want to pay him because he'd become a restricted free agent. So regardless of what you think of his potential, he is still a project and the Spurs don't have but a year to decide if he is worth serious financial investment.

[DPG21920]

I don’t see why the Suns would trade Jackson for Lonzo at this point, especially with how fucking annoying and cancerous his is. You’d have a better chance of getting Mikal Bridges from them than Jackson imo.

PHX desperately needs a prospect and for all the hate, Lonzo is still an amazing prospect.

[picnroll]

The Nuggets were immediately the team I thought of when it was reported that the Lakers were looking to take back "dead money" (Faried) for a 1st. So when Lowe says Ingram, Kuzma, 2 1sts, the other one would probably be from them, which is likely to be in the 15-20 range.

Since timing is paramount to the Lakers, this is well past the point of posturing, so don't buy this "Ingram and a pick" nonsense.

Think I know what the reaction will be, but if it took Spurs lottery protected '19 1st, to get all 3 of Ingram, Ball (rerouted for Bamba or Jackson), Kuzma, would you do it? I don't care about mid-late 1sts, Hart, Wagner, or salary dumping Mills or Gasol. The way I see it, Spurs would essentially forfeit that and probably trade a mid 1st, for a shot at another possible foundational piece (Bamba or Jackson).
I’d do it if it yielded Bomba. Then I’d see what I could parlay Ingram and Kuzma for in the way of picks.

[DPG21920]

Welp. It's not like the Spurs would get Brandon Ingram and have three years to develop him. They would have one year and after that one year, they would have to decide how much they want to pay him because he'd become a restricted free agent. So regardless of what you think of his potential, he is still a project and the Spurs don't have but a year to decide if he is worth serious financial investment.

Spurs would get 2 years, not just one. Next year is fully guaranteed, then the year after is a team option. It would be year 3 where it’s a qualifying offer.

[cd98]

I’d do it if it yielded Bomba. Then I’d see what I could parlay Ingram and Kuzma for in the way of picks.

Take with a grain of salt. You think the Magic are going to part with Bomba, who they just drafted? For Ball and the headaches his dad brings? And the fact that Ball can't shoot?

My take is Bomba isn't on the market for that asking price.

[spurraider21]

Covington is 27, has never been even a league average player by PER, and is slated to make $45-46M over the next four years. DO NOT WANT.
enough of your PER crap, especially for a guy who isn't a volume scorer. he grades well by virtually every advanced metric you can find

[DPG21920]

enough of your PER crap, especially for a guy who isn't a volume scorer. he grades well by virtually every advanced metric you can find

Covington is definitely overrated by the stats crowd but yeah, he’s not some terrible player on an awful deal. I would would not care if he was not in a deal, but I would be totally fine if he was as a Danny replacement.

[Clipper Nation]

Clips have no one like that and so to me it's Ingram AFTER Tatum.

:lol Tobias Harris is better than Ingram right now, and it's far from a guarantee that Ingram ever surpasses him.

[exstatic]

enough of your PER crap, especially for a guy who isn't a volume scorer. he grades well by virtually every advanced metric you can find

He's nothing. You don't pay 'nothing' $11M per year. That's a worse deal than Patty, who actually produced at one point and contributed to a championship. The deal also runs longer than Patty's.

Let's be clear. This is a rebuild. You DO NOT take on shitty contracts like this during a rebuild.

[spurraider21]

Seconded. He’s overpaid and overrated, and 20 year-old Tatum ripped him a new asshole in the playoffs this year. Exposed that “great defense” he supposedly played.
#3 in DRPM, only behind Gobert and Roberson
#1 in defensive win shares

[picnroll]

Take with a grain of salt. You think the Magic are going to part with Bomba, who they just drafted? For Ball and the headaches his dad brings? And the fact that Ball can't shoot?

My take is Bomba isn't on the market for that asking price.
Didn’t say or think it was. That was just the proposed offer. I think Bomba, based on how he progressed last year and his tools, is going to be a stud.

[DPG21920]

He's nothing. You don't pay 'nothing' $11M per year. That's a worse deal than Patty, who actually produced at one point and contributed to a championship. The deal also runs longer than Patty's.

Let's be clear. This is a rebuild. You DO NOT take on shitty contracts like this during a rebuild.

You think this is a reset rebuild but it’s not at this point. Adding all the PHI stuff to the 47 win team plus other moves keeps you rebuilding and a playoff team. SA probably wants that in a perfect world.

If you know you are trading LMA too? Sure, I agree. But if you are not, getting Covington makes sense.

[spurraider21]

He's nothing. You don't pay 'nothing' $11M per year. That's a worse deal than Patty, who actually produced at one point and contributed to a championship. The deal also runs longer than Patty's.

Let's be clear. This is a rebuild. You DO NOT take on shitty contracts like this during a rebuild.
a) he's not nothing. he's one of the best defensive players in the league. offensively he isn't much to look at. not as good a shooter as peak danny, but he's a better athlete in transition and even in the half court game

b) he's not on a shitty contract. he has a contract similar to the one green is just coming off of, but during a time where the cap is greater. so adjusted for inflation, he's cheaper than what we have had danny for

c) i view the length of his contract as an asset. means you have him locked up on good terms for a long time

[DPG21920]

Take with a grain of salt. You think the Magic are going to part with Bomba, who they just drafted? For Ball and the headaches his dad brings? And the fact that Ball can't shoot?

My take is Bomba isn't on the market for that asking price.

I 100% think that ORL would trade Bamba for Lonzo right now. Absolutely

[Hoops Czar]

Seconded. He’s overpaid and overrated, and 20 year-old Tatum ripped him a new asshole in the playoffs this year. Exposed that “great defense” he supposedly played.
Alexey Shved ripped Kawhi a new asshole that one time in New York too.

[99 Problems]

Covington is 27, has never been even a league average player by PER, and is slated to make $45-46M over the next four years. DO NOT WANT.

All NBA Denfensive team was he not? There’s the actraction to Spuhs.

[TD 21]

I don’t see why the Suns would trade Jackson for Lonzo at this point, especially with how fucking annoying and cancerous his is. You’d have a better chance of getting Mikal Bridges from them than Jackson imo.

Maybe they wouldn't, but they're trying to compete for a playoff spot next season and they desperately need a starting PG. They also have Bridges (who they just paid a premium for) and Warren at SF.

[spurraider21]

All NBA Denfensive team was he not? There’s the actraction to Spuhs.
but he graded out poorly on outdated stats that were primarily relevant to high volume offensive players :cry

[exstatic]

You think this is a reset rebuild but it’s not at this point. Adding all the PHI stuff to the 47 win team plus other moves keeps you rebuilding and a playoff team. SA probably wants that in a perfect world.

If you know you are trading LMA too? Sure, I agree. But if you are not, getting Covington makes sense.

I guess I wouldn't have as MUCH of a problem with him if his contract were only two years, but it's four years, and will definitely impinge on the total rebuild that is to come. Hell, LaMarcus may actually want out when this all shakes out, and the rebuild may start now. I just don't see him as anything that you can't get in the late first or even second round of the draft. The Spurs definitely don't like paying top dollar for these types of players. They get them cheap, develop them, then cut them loose, and let someone ELSE pay them.

[HarlemHeat37]

I like Covington as a win-now piece, but half the fanbase here would hate him after a few months, tbh:lol

He's essentially a bigger 2016-17 Danny Green..

[sasaint]

Didn’t say or think it was. That was just the proposed offer. I think Bomba, based on how he progressed last year and his tools, is going to be a stud.

Yeah, in my dream scenario, the Spurs would have done a deal on draft night to end the Kawhi-sis and acquire Bamba as part of the return. I think he will be a major force on defense and an extremely versatile offensive player. I love that guy.

[exstatic]

I like Covington as a win-now piece, but half the fanbase here would hate him after a few months, tbh:lol

See: Green, Danny; Mills, Patrick

[sasaint]

I guess I wouldn't have as MUCH of a problem with him if his contract were only two years, but it's four years, and will definitely impinge on the total rebuild that is to come. Hell, LaMarcus may actually want out when this all shakes out, and the rebuild may start now. I just don't see him as anything that you can't get in the late first or even second round of the draft. The Spurs definitely don't like paying top dollar for these types of players. They get them cheap, develop them, then cut them loose, and let someone ELSE pay them.

I have a hard time envisioning Pop coaching a rebuild.

[DPG21920]

I like Covington as a win-now piece, but half the fanbase here would hate him after a few months, tbh:lol

He’s literally a worse all around version of prime Danny but on the same contract as Danny took. Like, Danny was taking less, but Covington took more than fair value.

[daslicer]

I like Covington, but half the fanbase here would hate him after a few months, tbh:lol

Half of the fan base here would hate anybody that the Spurs get in the Kawhi trade. I'm convinced even the ones who are down with the trash the Lakers have offered would immediately start hating the Laker trash once the Spurs have a losing streak. Better yet you would see instant regret for doing the trade in the first place.

[exstatic]

I have a hard time envisioning Pop coaching a rebuild.

He probably won't.

[sasaint]

He probably won't.

If Pop wanted to retire he would have done so before the draft. Pop's remaining on board is a clear indication that he intends to try to construct a "competitive" team now around LMA.

[exstatic]

If Pop wanted to retire he would have done so before the draft. Pop's remaining on board is a clear indication that he intends to try to construct a "competitive" team now around LMA.

If LMA wants to stay. He may or may not.

Pop's not going to just step down until he knows the lay of the land, what's going down.

[spurraider21]

He’s literally a worse all around version of prime Danny but on the same contract as Danny took. Like, Danny was taking less, but Covington took more than fair value.
green signed for 4/40 at a time when the cap was at 70 mil. so on an annual basis, that was about 14% of the cap

convington signed for 4/46, which kicks in now, when the cap is projected to be at 101 mil. so on an annual basis, that makes up about 11.4% of the cap

he's on a friendler deal than green was

[Baam]

He’s literally a worse all around version of prime Danny but on the same contract as Danny took. Like, Danny was taking less, but Covington took more than fair value.

Green played in a great system with 4 hall of famers.

Covington is a great role player. I think it's 50/50 Jaylen Brown never becomes that good tbh.

[K...]

Pop will stay in some capacity regardless and if new stars like Murray and Lonnie want him to stay I think he would at least part time

[HarlemHeat37]

Half of the fan base here would hate anybody that the Spurs get in the Kawhi trade. I'm convinced even the ones who are down with the trash the Lakers have offered would immediately start hating the Laker trash once the Spurs have a losing streak. Better yet you would see instant regret for doing the trade in the first place.

Spurs fans are different, though..every fanbase likes/hates different types of players based on being bored of what they're accustomed to watching..

For example, Spurs fans tend to be enamored with volume scorers on other teams..half the posters here loved Jordan Clarkson a few years ago:lol Spurs fans love volume scorers because it's something the Spurs never look for, which is why there's so much excitement over a Rudy Gay, for instance..

They lacked athletic players in the past, which is why so many loved Simmons here..

Spurs look for role players that fit in a system, which is why you see so many fans here grow tired of those guys..I like players like that, so I'm a fan of Covington, but I'd bet anything that half the posters here would detest him by mid-season..

[r0drig0lac]

Lmao, I agree some of these offers aint worthy of a top 3 player, but man Spur fans are fucking idiots that overrate the hell out of their own players while criminally underrating other teams players. Kuzma a "slightly more mobile Bertans" are you kidding me? :lmao

agree

[TD 21]

Agree with DPG21920 and spursraider21 on Covington. The problem is, even if Aldridge is retained, the lack of a play maker on this team would render Covington about as useless offensively as Green last season.


Not surprised Fultz supposedly isn't in the 76ers offer. Didn't think Spurs would want him and he's more than likely too much of a question mark right now for the Magic to give up Isaac or Bamba or the Suns to give up Jackson.

Saric, Covington, Heat '21 1st, minor pieces, offers no possibility of a star for at least 3 years and probably not period.

[exstatic]

green signed for 4/40 at a time when the cap was at 70 mil. so on an annual basis, that was about 14% of the cap

convington signed for 4/46, which kicks in now, when the cap is projected to be at 101 mil. so on an annual basis, that makes up about 11.4% of the cap

he's on a friendler deal than green was

Friendlier? They paid him almost $17M last year! The figures I quoted were the remaining part of the deal.

[spurraider21]

im not saying convington is some prized piece that we need to center a deal around, but i think under his current contract he is absolutely an asset. so i dont see why you would voluntarily turn him down as part of a package.

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs look for role players that fit in a system, which is why you see so many fans here grow tired of those guys..

There's at least one player on the court that's tired of those guys too.

[exstatic]

There's at least one player on the court that's tired of those guys too.

He hasn't been on the court in quite some time.

[spurraider21]

Friendlier? They paid him almost $17M last year! The figures I quoted were the remaining part of the deal.
who gives a shit what they just paid him. we're not going to be retroactively on the hook for that

going forward he has 4/46 due. those are incredibly friendly terms. they frontloaded his contract because they had cap room. we'd be benefiting from that.

he signed a 4/64 deal, but about 16 mil of that was added to his 17-18 salary, as he was already under contract for that year.

[DPG21920]

What is PHI doing here? You got beat by BOS core when they didn’t have Kyrie or Hayward. Your doctors worked with Kawhi and know the truth about his injury. You can get him with Fultz/Saric/Covington and a pick and you probably have a legit shot with Uncle Dennis ties to PHI and trust in the medical staff to keep Kawhi.

Step up to the damn plate man.

[HarlemHeat37]

There's at least one player on the court that's tired of those guys too.

That would be quite arrogant, as I've never heard of a player in NBA history who wanted to leave due to the roster after only 1 season of carrying a team:lol

[DPG21920]

That would be quite arrogant, as I've never heard of a player in NBA history who wanted to leave due to the roster after only 1 season of carrying a team:lol

Especially when without him they were a playoff team :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

What is PHI doing here? You got beat by BOS core when they didn’t have Kyrie or Hayward. Your doctors worked with Kawhi and know the truth about his injury. You can get him with Fultz/Saric/Covington and a pick and you probably have a legit shot with Uncle Dennis ties to PHI and trust in the medical staff to keep Kawhi.

Step up to the damn plate man.

How do you know the Spurs even want Fultz, though?

He's the main piece here..if they don't want to him, the rest of the package is disgusting .

[spurraider21]

How do you know the Spurs even want Fultz, though?

He's the main piece here..if they don't want to him, the rest of the package is disgusting .
that's the kicker, for sure. saric/covington/pick wouldn't cut it.

[Mugen]

and Fultz is meh, especially if the team is high on Murray.

[DPG21920]

How do you know the Spurs even want Fultz, though?

He's the main piece here..if they don't want to him, the rest of the package is disgusting .

I find it hard to imagine, SA not having legit interest in Fultz. I mean, the ONLY thing I can think of is that Brown and Pop are friends and there is a lot of sh*t going on with Fultz and Brown did Pop a solid and told him in secret and that turned off Pop/SA from Fultz.

But That pick they have is valuable potentially, Saric is solid and really cheap/no risk, Covington is solid and locked up on reasonable deal as of how things appear now. It’s an attractive offer if you believe in Fultz.

[TD 21]

What is PHI doing here? You got beat by BOS core when they didn’t have Kyrie or Hayward. Your doctors worked with Kawhi and know the truth about his injury. You can get him with Fultz/Saric/Covington and a pick and you probably have a legit shot with Uncle Dennis ties to PHI and trust in the medical staff to keep Kawhi.


Step up to the damn plate man.

I'm skeptical that there's a realistic package for them that get's this done. Fultz being a massive question mark coupled with the Spurs being irrationally high on Murray, is a double whammy.

I'm not high on Ingram, but a young, big wing, with perceived star upside, was always going to have to be the centerpiece of a package and they don't have it. Neither do the Clippers and the Celtics don't have the motivation. That leaves the Lakers by default, but they need to have the best package by a considerable margin to pull this off.

[DPG21920]

and Fultz is meh, especially if the team is high on Murray.

Fultz is a big 2. He can play next to Murray IMO or whatever. You don’t not take a blue chip prospect because of Murray. Get the asset, let him show his stuff and fit him in or flip him if Murray keeps progressing.

[spurraider21]

Fultz is 6'4 and we already know Murray has good length. i think they could coexist. i've been saying all along that short of tatum, this sixers package is the best on the table. but the report i read today (questionable accuracy these days) said fultz was not part of the package that the sixers internally discussed

[sasaint]

What is PHI doing here? You got beat by BOS core when they didn’t have Kyrie or Hayward. Your doctors worked with Kawhi and know the truth about his injury. You can get him with Fultz/Saric/Covington and a pick and you probably have a legit shot with Uncle Dennis ties to PHI and trust in the medical staff to keep Kawhi.

Step up to the damn plate man.

Maybe it is because Philly's doctors are the most familiar with Kawhi's condition that they haven't stepped up to the plate...

[picnroll]

If one of the thousands of rumors is true that the Lakers are willing to take back bad expiring contracts from Denver on Wilson, Faried and/or Arnold for a pick do they need to dump Dang to get Lebron and Leonard with room for PG next year?That meaning Ball gets packaged for the pleasure of Dang’s contract. Then Kusma and Ingram and pick for Leonard. So it’s Leonard, Lebron, George and flotsam and jetsam? Could Magic be that stupid?

[DPG21920]

Maybe it is because Philly's doctors are the most familiar with Kawhi's condition that they haven't stepped up to the plate...

Nah - if that were true PHI wouldn’t be involved at all. Not like Fultz didn’t have his own medical red flag either..

[spurraider21]

you would think philly would be wary of trading for kawhi after the bynum fiasco tho

[picnroll]

I find it hard to imagine, SA not having legit interest in Fultz. I mean, the ONLY thing I can think of is that Brown and Pop are friends and there is a lot of sh*t going on with Fultz and Brown did Pop a solid and told him in secret and that turned off Pop/SA from Fultz.

But That pick they have is valuable potentially, Saric is solid and really cheap/no risk, Covington is solid and locked up on reasonable deal as of how things appear now. It’s an attractive offer if you believe in Fultz.
Throw Zhaire Smith into the equation of players and picks available.

[DPG21920]

you would think philly would be wary of trading for kawhi after the bynum fiasco tho

They know Kawhi is fine. He was with their doctors. SA cleared him and knows he’s fine. Everyone does.

[DPG21920]

I really, really, really hope that the next trade involves Lonzo to PHX. IF that happens, then we will know what’s up with SA and LAL and it will be going down.

[LkrFan]

He's sweating at the prospect of being traded away from that biggest stage. My point is trading kawhi for the lakers prospects won't help the spurs longterm because those players will bolt as they enter their primes. Laker prospects also notoriously underperform after they leave LA. I'd rather the spurs make kawhi suffer for another year, and screw the lakers super team plans in the process. The only assets I would want for him are lottery picks.

Gotcha :tu

[Spurs9]

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[sasaint]

If LMA wants to stay. He may or may not.

Pop's not going to just step down until he knows the lay of the land, what's going down.

Not sure I follow you. He will be instrumental in determining the lay of the land. By "lay of the land" do you mean whether Kawhi gets traded and for what? Or how LMA reacts? Nah, I don't think it would be in the team's best interest for him to make some of the biggest personnel moves in team history and then turn the roster he constructed over to a new head coach. Dirty pool.

LMA won't demand a trade until he sees who his new teammates are.

[LkrFan]

He’s saying he’s sweating being in SA since he doesn’t want to be there. He wants LA, etc..

Tru dat :tu

[LkrFan]

I know you're ESL but your reading comprehension is terrible, amigo.

:lol

[Mugen]

:lol

You know I'm just f'n with you bruh, you're a good guy regardless of what happens with the cancer mute :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

I really wonder what kind of deal Silver, ESPN and the rest of the power in sports are offering Spurs ownership and Pop behind the scenes, tbh..there's definitely some scheming going on, 100..

There's no way they're going to pass up an opportunity for this potential series, it would be their biggest draw of all-time..

[Clipper Nation]

I'm skeptical that there's a realistic package for them that get's this done. Fultz being a massive question mark coupled with the Spurs being irrationally high on Murray, is a double whammy.

I'm not high on Ingram, but a young, big wing, with perceived star upside, was always going to have to be the centerpiece of a package and they don't have it. Neither do the Clippers and the Celtics don't have the motivation. That leaves the Lakers by default, but they need to have the best package by a considerable margin to pull this off.

As far as other teams are concerned, I think people might be confusing "not leaking rumors to the media every five minutes and trying to control the narrative like the Lakers are" with "not motivated to make a deal," tbh.

[dabom]

I really wonder what kind of deal Silver, ESPN and the rest of the power in sports are offering Spurs ownership and Pop behind the scenes, tbh..there's definitely some scheming going on, 100..

Spurs waiting on Silver to give us 2 Number 1 picks in future drafts...

[Ginobilly]

Fuck trading kawhi for lakers trash! If the spurs can't get tatum, kyrie, or brown from the celtics, i would rather keep kawhi for another year and let him walk. He doesn't show up for work, suspend his ass without pay. Fuck helping the fakers form a superteam!

[mystargtr34]

Lkrfn is good peeps but he will be insufferable if the LAkers get that super team :lol

[dbestpro]

I really wonder what kind of deal Silver, ESPN and the rest of the power in sports are offering Spurs ownership and Pop behind the scenes, tbh..there's definitely some scheming going on, 100..

There's no way they're going to pass up an opportunity for this potential series, it would be their biggest draw of all-time..

Hush! We need our illusions.

[RD2191]

Lkrfn is good peeps but he will be insufferable if the LAkers get that super team :lol

Trump can't deport him soon enough tbh

[Hoops Czar]

That would be quite arrogant, as I've never heard of a player in NBA history who wanted to leave due to the roster after only 1 season of carrying a team:lol
He's been carrying the team since 2015 and there really isn't any end in sight. They tripped into the playoffs this year but not because they were winning but because everybody around them was losing. I believe they were under .500 in 2018 and lost to almost every team above .500 in the league in that time frame.

Let's just dump the athleticism in players like Simmons and Dedmon because they act like they have personalities and let's sign a couple of scrubs like Laughverne and BP3 and we'll show the league that we can win with anyone because talent is overrated and we have a system revolving around things like structure, fundamentals and team work. Oh, and just for good measure, we'll double down and pay some egregious sums of money to bring back Pau and Paddy ( the former being on his last stand for three years and the latter's been broken since shoulder surgery), we'll fill out the roster by adding a couple of tools like Forbes and Bertans to the rotation (they stink, but in the Spurs system, any dim light can shine brightly) and we'll put the proverbial cherry on top by signing a player coming off a career threatening injury who's made a career of stat padding while watching the playoffs from the comfort of his own living room couch. Ladies and gentlemen.... The Spurs! :lol

[HarlemHeat37]

The Lakers becoming relevant again for the first time in 5 years by adding LeBron in his final attempt to chase Jordan, doing it with hometown kid Paul George and the long-awaited return of Kawhi Leonard vs. the unstoppable Warriors with the beloved, cute Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson and Draymond?

In addition to the added entertainment element of watching Lakers fans/casuals try to figure out who they're cheering for..

Ya, NBA isn't passing this up, unfortunately:(

[DPG21920]

Lakers, this sh*t is easy!

Go freaking dangle Lonzo for whatever pieces and/or picks you can get. Turn around and trade Ingram and those things to SA with or without Kuz maybe.

[Mr. Body]

The Lakers becoming relevant again for the first time in 5 years by adding LeBron in his final attempt to chase Jordan, doing it with hometown kid Paul George and the long-awaited return of Kawhi Leonard vs. the unstoppable Warriors with the beloved, cute Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson and Draymond?

In addition to the added entertainment element of watching Lakers fans/casuals try to figure out who they're cheering for..

Ya, NBA isn't passing this up, unfortunately:(

It'd be a serious mindfuck for all the bandwagoners that switched from the Lakers to the Warriors already

[Ginobilly]

The Lakers becoming relevant again for the first time in 5 years by adding LeBron in his final attempt to chase Jordan, doing it with hometown kid Paul George and the long-awaited return of Kawhi Leonard vs. the unstoppable Warriors with the beloved, cute Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson and Draymond?

In addition to the added entertainment element of watching Lakers fans try to figure out when they're cheering for..

Ya, NBA isn't passing this up, unfortunately:(


For that to be trully exciting the nba would have to restructure the whole west vs east seeding format for that to be the nba finals every year. If they dont. Its going to be warriors vs lakers every year in the wcf, with them beating up a scrub team from the east 4-0 every year. Boring:lol

[Clipper Nation]

It'd be a serious mindfuck for all the bandwagoners that switched from the Lakers to the Warriors already
No it wouldn't. They'd just root for both teams. Or bandwagon the Warriors in the Finals after the Lakers lose to them.

[Mr. Body]

For that to be trully exciting the nba would have to restructure the whole west vs east seeding format for that to be the nba finals every year. If they dont. Its going to be warriors vs lakers every year in the wcf, with them beating up a scrub team from the east 4-0 every year. Boring:lol

I don't see the Lakers run that long here. LeBron is getting old, Kawhi is injury prone, George is a nice player but not transcendent, and they'll have nothing left for other pieces.

[TD 21]

As far as other teams are concerned, I think people might be confusing "not leaking rumors to the media every five minutes and trying to control the narrative like the Lakers are" with "not motivated to make a deal," tbh.

Obviously, the 76ers and Clippers are motivated to make a deal, but like I said, they don't have the centerpiece.

With the Celtics, I do believe it's a lack of motivation and reticence. As much as they could use a superstar, Leonard would be an awkward fit. They already have too much prime or young go-to scoring. I don't see how they could keep everyone happy by adding more. Plus, their luxury tax bills in the future would be astronomical.



Lakers, this sh*t is easy!

Go freaking dangle Lonzo for whatever pieces and/or picks you can get. Turn around and trade Ingram and those things to SA with or without Kuz maybe.

Again, why? If they can add the Nuggets or a comparable pick to their own, Ingram and Kuzma, they'll likely have the best offer by a considerable margin.

Spurs being unable to get Brown, predictable lack of interest in Fultz and likely inability to reroute him for Jackson, kills their leverage.

[exstatic]

The Lakers becoming relevant again for the first time in 5 years by adding LeBron in his final attempt to chase Jordan, doing it with hometown kid Paul George and the long-awaited return of Kawhi Leonard vs. the unstoppable Warriors with the beloved, cute Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson and Draymond?

In addition to the added entertainment element of watching Lakers fans/casuals try to figure out who they're cheering for..

Ya, NBA isn't passing this up, unfortunately:(
Uh, if they take those $34m in dead contracts from Denver, I don’t think they can get LeBron.

[dbestpro]

CBSSports say Philly is going to offer Saric, Covington, and the unprotected Miami pick. I think the Spurs are more likely to pull the trigger on this trade than LA. Magic should have came with his strongest offer up front instead of trying to pretend he's Ainge.

[Spurs9]

CBSSports say Philly is going to offer Saric, Covington, and the unprotected Miami pick. I think the Spurs are more likely to pull the trigger on this trade than LA. Magic should have came with his strongest offer up front instead of trying to pretend he's Ainge.
I'd rather have the Lakers package, thats weak.

[Play Boban]

CBSSports say Philly is going to offer Saric, Covington, and the unprotected Miami pick. I think the Spurs are more likely to pull the trigger on this trade than LA. Magic should have came with his strongest offer up front instead of trying to pretend he's Ainge.
Saric is a good young player who should start for us. Covington isn’t someone who I’m thrilled about, but is a good 3D player. We should get rid of Green if we get him, though. I’d rather do this trade than take LAL’s trash tbh.

[Clipper Nation]

I'd rather have the Lakers package, thats weak.
WTF? That's a much better offer than the Lakers' trash.

[BatManu20]

This dude is dying at the thought of having to live in SA :lol

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[Marcus Bryant]

CBSSports say Philly is going to offer Saric, Covington, and the unprotected Miami pick. I think the Spurs are more likely to pull the trigger on this trade than LA. Magic should have came with his strongest offer up front instead of trying to pretend he's Ainge.

Makes sense, that would allow Pop to finish coaching with shots at playoffs in his last two seasons (I'd start the rebuild immediately and start making trades for more picks).

[MannyIsGod]

If they make the trade, that shows they have to get something. And for the traded players, that means they have to be kept no matter the cost, otherwise it would be like getting nothing for Kawhi

That's how average players like Gallinari, Chandler, Vucevic, etc all get big contracts from their new teams.

The loser in the trade has to save face and overpay to keep the talent acquired.

Sorry but thats ridiculous. We would still have Jackie Butler on this team if that were somehow the case.

[r0drig0lac]

The Lakers becoming relevant again for the first time in 5 years by adding LeBron in his final attempt to chase Jordan, doing it with hometown kid Paul George and the long-awaited return of Kawhi Leonard vs. the unstoppable Warriors with the beloved, cute Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Klay Thompson and Draymond?

In addition to the added entertainment element of watching Lakers fans/casuals try to figure out who they're cheering for..

Ya, NBA isn't passing this up, unfortunately:(
lakers fans will be like

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5Z2aaI9bfU

[Marcus Bryant]

Push Philly for more picks and/or Fultz.

[MannyIsGod]

You forget about the contract they signed Jefferson to?

Yeah remind me when he got the max?

[exstatic]

I'd rather have the Lakers package, thats weak.
That pick is unprotected, and likely to be at least 10 spots higher than any pick we get from LA.

[RD2191]

This dude is dying at the thought of having to live in SA :lol

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Fukin bum overrating himself:lmao

[Spurs9]

WTF? That's a much better offer than the Lakers' trash.

Dario Saric, Covington and a pick which may not even be good? Dario is alright but Covington is mediocore. Philly needs to give up alot more in that trade. The Lakers package is way better if they can add in picks, I'd rather have Ingram over Saric/Covington by a mile.

[LkrFan]

You know I'm just f'n with you bruh, you're a good guy regardless of what happens with the cancer mute :lol

:lmao

[dbestpro]

Makes sense, that would allow Pop to finish coaching with shots at playoffs in his last two seasons (I'd start the rebuild immediately and start making trades for more picks).

I think the highlight is the Miami pick. This type of trade allows the Spurs to stay competitive with players who can play now, sign a free agent, and get a pick that could be a lottery pick. They might even be able to get back to the beautiful game.

[Spurs9]

That pick is unprotected, and likely to be at least 10 spots higher than any pick we get from LA.

Is Miami really going to be that bad for the pick to be high enough? They generally try to improve the team quickly and don't tank for picks. Its in 2 years right? I doubt they would be out of the playoffs in the east.

[Hoops Czar]

I think the highlight is the Miami pick. This type of trade allows the Spurs to stay competitive with players who can play now, sign a free agent, and get a pick that could be a lottery pick. They might even be able to get back to the beautiful game.
Why? Did you hear any rumors about them wanting to trade LMA?

[Spurs9]

Philly would need to add in Fultz and Smith, just those Saric/Covington + pick is a really bad package.
Edit: 2021 pick :lol

[sasaint]

Philly would need to add in Fultz and Smith, just those Saric/Covington + pick is a really bad package.
Edit: 2021 pick :lol

Yeah, but Saric is a Euro, and a that makes him twice as valuable to Pop.

[Hoops Czar]

Yeah, but Saric is a Euro, and a that makes him twice as valuable to Pop.
Because Euro players don't care where they play. They're just happy to be here.

[midnightpulp]

I really wonder what kind of deal Silver, ESPN and the rest of the power in sports are offering Spurs ownership and Pop behind the scenes, tbh..there's definitely some scheming going on, 100..

There's no way they're going to pass up an opportunity for this potential series, it would be their biggest draw of all-time..

What kind of throws a monkey wrench into that is it would just be a WCF matchup and wouldn't have the same television reach as the NBA Finals since it would be on TNT. Silver would nut a tsunami if the superteam could be formed in New York.

[MannyIsGod]

If this was another team, I'd probably take the deal if it was Ingram, a lottery pick(top 3 protected at worst) from a mediocre to bad team(that they would acquire from trading Lonzo), another mid-to-late 1st and filler..

But the fact that it's the Lakers and that the Spurs would be bringing them back to life is the part that makes it difficult:lol those pieces are not worth the loss of dignity..

Such a difficult position for Pop, though..trying to balance the well-being of the franchise vs. giving the man who quit on you what he demands vs. helping the Lakers..a few months after losing your wife..

Frankly, I think this is why so many people here hate the idea of this trade. It's not so much the pieces since we lose on any trade we make involving Kawhi, but rather that its giving the Lakers life. Frankly I could give a fuck about that.

[Spurs9]

Yeah, but Saric is a Euro, and a that makes him twice as valuable to Pop.

I’m sure they could get a better package from a lot of other teams in the league like the Suns or something.

[TD 21]

Saric is a role player. They're different players, but he's the equivalent of Kuzma in this. Covington might as well be too, since he's also a secondary asset.

Spurs will want someone with go-to scoring ability. The entire perimeter corpse can't be comprised of role players. They need someone to play off of. Ingram and Kuzma would fill that role by default.

:lmao At people worrying about Ingram and Kuzma not wanting to be here long term. They'll get to be featured players, probably build a bond with the other young guys and be restricted on their next contracts.

Neither has a high enough upside to alter the course of a franchise anyway. The players teams need to worry about appeasing are superstars and stars who think they're superstars.

[dbestpro]

Philly would need to add in Fultz and Smith, just those Saric/Covington + pick is a really bad package.
Edit: 2021 pick :lol

I imagine they might toss in the 2019 protected pick (Sac-Boston) too to get it done.

[Marcus Bryant]

That's the starting bid Philly can add more, especially given that they are pursuing LeBron.

[Spurs9]

Frankly, I think this is why so many people here hate the idea of this trade. It's not so much the pieces since we lose on any trade we make involving Kawhi, but rather that its giving the Lakers life. Frankly I could give a fuck about that.
He could end up there anyway next season anyway, although Lebron/PG may not sign this season. But if he did if the Lakers kept the pieces they would be much better if they didn’t have to trade them. If we trade him there, the Lakers will basically have to sign a bunch of minimum contracts.

[Marcus Bryant]

I imagine they might toss in the 2019 protected pick (Sac-Boston) too to get it done.

:tu Philly in win now mode is LeBron going to pass up Simmons + Embiid + Leonard and easier path to Finals? Also close to home.

[dbestpro]

I know there's a lot of hate towards Covington because he's not a scorer, but he could help where no one else listed so far can, and that is the loss of defense when KL is bone. Covington is an excellent defender. Also, it might allow us some room to sign a free agent who could start.

[MannyIsGod]

He's nothing. You don't pay 'nothing' $11M per year. That's a worse deal than Patty, who actually produced at one point and contributed to a championship. The deal also runs longer than Patty's.

Let's be clear. This is a rebuild. You DO NOT take on shitty contracts like this during a rebuild.

So many Spurs fans still stuck in the mindset of the pre raise cap. That's not a shitty contract.

[Hoops Czar]

:tu Philly in win now mode is LeBron going to pass up Simmons + Embiid + Leonard and easier path to Finals? Also close to home.
And the Spurs are in win 2030 mode?

[HarlemHeat37]

What kind of throws a monkey wrench into that is it would just be a WCF matchup and wouldn't have the same television reach as the NBA Finals since it would be on TNT. Silver would nut a tsunami if the superteam could be formed in New York.

True, but still, the Lakers with LeBron and a legit super team? How could they pass that up?

Also, while the Finals ratings held up better than I thought considering it was such a lopsided matchup, I have to assume that the league wants the Warriors to lose, at some point, this isn't 90s Jordan who was beloved by the masses(outside of New York) and drew numbers in any scenario..

The only way the Warriors break up is due to money and growing tired of each other..their ownership will gladly continue paying that colossal luxury tax bill if they're winning titles and I'm sure the players will remain happy with each other if they keep winning, as well..

This LeBron/Kawhi/George team is probably the only realistic chance of beating them, next season..

Lakers with LeBron in the Finals would draw ratings regardless of opponent, anyways..if they get Boston in there, even better..

[InRareForm]

In best case scenario for Lakers landing kawhi and lebron, what is your prediciton on warriors Lakers series ? Not even a guarantee series win let alone going to 7 games.. and in the process you give up tons of future talent and building blocks with Hart, kuzma , ingram, ball, etc.

It's a gamble amongst a gamble with the warriors being there

[mystargtr34]

:tu Philly in win now mode is LeBron going to pass up Simmons + Embiid + Leonard and easier path to Finals? Also close to home.

Yep. Then watch Ainge scramble and throw the Jaylen + Kyrie + multiple 1sts offer at the Spurs to cockblock the Embiid-Simmons-LeBron-Kawhi dynasty.

[dbestpro]

In best case scenario for Lakers landing kawhi and lebron, what is your prediciton on warriors Lakers series ? Not even a guarantee series win let alone going to 7 games.. and in the process you give up tons of future talent and building blocks with Hart, kuzma , ingram, ball, etc.

It's a gamble amongst a gamble with the warriors being there

I think the Warriors still win because of the chemistry from their core.

[weebo]

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Can somebody run over this faggot with a truck.

So playing basketball as your fucking JOB and getting paid $Ms isn't fun enough? FOH :lol

[spurs1990]

They are not afraid to let Kawhi walk in free agency in a year.

They are not going to trade for crap they don’t want just for the sake of getting something.

They understand that they’ll get 50 cents on the dollar at best.

They are not going to hand $219 million to a player, regardless of talent, who malingered and quit on his team for most of a season, unless they see a change in which he mans up and takes accountability for his behavior.

Because if he doesn’t, you can’t build a team around him anyway.

So they are fine with moving on.


Beautifully written. I very much agree Popovich, Buford would operate with this mindset in letting him rot before being strong-armed by a player their staff built in large part.

And malinger - what a great word. That's Leonard to me now. Kawhi the Malingerer.

[Hoops Czar]

Yep. Then watch Ainge scramble and throw the Jaylen + Kyrie + multiple 1sts offer at the Spurs to cockblock the Embiid-Simmons-LeBron-Kawhi dynasty.
For a 1 year rental? Hardly!

[spurschamps99030507]

NBA trade rumors: Celtics, Lakers can't save Spurs from Kawhi Leonard trap (http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-news-celtics-lakers-spurs-contract-roster/ry41nxk87vym18crn1ryaiyoe)



They fell into Tim Duncan in 1997, when an otherwise very good Western Conference team had a ragged season because of an injury to David Robinson, and were gifted the No. 1 pick in the draft. They pulled Avery Johnson off the hoops scrap heap and turned him into a starter, and did that repeatedly for a decade: Bruce Bowen, Stephen Jackson, Gary Neal, Danny Green.

They swiped Manu Ginobili from under the noses of the rest of the league, using the 57th pick to draft him in 1999, after nine second-rounders who never even appeared in an NBA game, and landed Tony Parker with the final first-round pick of the 2001 draft, after the likes of Joe Forte, Jeryl Sasser and Brandon Armstrong.



We’re so accustomed to the Spurs, as a franchise, keeping one step ahead of the other 29 teams that it’s almost unnerving to witness San Antonio in its current state — boxed in, blindsided by an obstinate star and staving off desperation.
Kawhi Leonard, having sat for most of last season with a quad injury that the team felt did not require such tender treatment, has made clear that he wants out of San Antonio, and the Spurs have accepted that fact.

But finding a decent offer for Leonard has already proven thorny. The Spurs entered this process hoping to avoid trading Leonard within the Western Conference, but according to executives around the league, Leonard’s camp has made it clear that he wants to be in Los Angeles, and he has the leverage of hitting free agency next summer. That has left the hands of Gregg Popovich, R.C. Buford and the Spurs brass tied.

San Antonio has engaged in talks with Boston, and the Celtics would appear to be a natural trading partner — they’re a championship contender, in the East and loaded with young assets (Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Terry Rozier, two potential 2019 lottery picks).
But sources told Sporting News that the Celtics are approaching the situation with trepidation. They have no intention of trading Tatum whatsoever this offseason, even in a deal for Leonard. The Spurs would want Brown as part of any trade package, but even there, Boston is wavering.
There are a number of reasons for this. First, there is concern about how Leonard, an MVP candidate when healthy, would mesh with Kyrie Irving, who has looked at his spot with the Celtics given the chance to finally lead his own team and escape the shadow of LeBron James. Both players are known to be stubborn — chemistry is a concern.
There is also the reality of Leonard’s impending free agency. The Celtics are, naturally, concerned that Leonard could bolt for Los Angeles after one year with the team. Boston has no interest in giving up Brown for one year of Leonard.

And there are financial realities. As one source told Sporting News, “There’s a limit on how much they’re going to be willing to pay for a team, no matter how good the roster is. There’s a limit on everybody. And eventually, the bill will come due on the players they have.”
Celtics owners have said they’d be willing to pay the luxury tax, but that bill figures to get large — quickly. Yes, the Celtics have a rich deal with their local broadcaster, but they do not own the TD Garden — it’s owned by the Bruins — and that will always put something of a cap on revenues.
If the Celtics were to trade for Leonard, then give new contracts to both him and Irving (who can also be a free agent) next summer, they would find themselves deep into the luxury tax. An estimate of their tax bill for 2019-20 would run well over $100 million, maybe even more than $150 million. The Celtics are a valuable franchise, but that type of annual tax bill would be too much for any team without full revenues on the building in which they play.
The Celtics’ reluctance, then, is understandable. They don’t want to give away young players for a guy who might only be around a year. They also don’t want to land Leonard, then have to pay him a massive salary without knowing for sure how he will fit in with the rest of the team, Irving in particular.
That brings us back to the Lakers, and just how boxed in the Spurs are on this Leonard deal.

One league executive suggested that the Spurs have two choices. They can take the big offer from the Lakers now, which will likely include budding former No. 2 pick Brandon Ingram, and could pave the way for LA to also add LeBron James. Or they could wait a couple weeks until it is obvious that the Lakers are the only credible bidder, and take a skeleton offer from LA.
“The Lakers are feeling some pressure because they’ve got one eye on this and one eye on LeBron,” the executive said. “The Spurs are hoping for a bidding war, but who else is bidding here? There is no war. They need to move on this before [July 1].”
The Spurs, who fleeced the rest of the league repeatedly in the last 20 years, are on the verge of being fleeced for one of the game’s top players. It’s a weird comeuppance for an organization that has been so dignified and respected for so long.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-kawhi-leonard-news-celtics-lakers-spurs-contract-roster/ry41nxk87vym18crn1ryaiyoe?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[midnightpulp]

My problems dealing with the Lakers:

-We've seen it before. Young Lakers prospects turn to shit when they're traded from there. I don't know if it's a case of the media overrating Lakers prospects or some psychological factor at play, but it's definitely a trend.

-As related to the above point, when prospects are traded from the Lakers, they seem to get depressed and despondent and get "homesick" for LA to the point they want out (to anywhere) from their new team. So even if the Spurs were able to develop Ingram and Kuzma into a solid 1-2 punch, they would likely leave the Spurs when their contracts expire. This means the Spurs spent all the time and work developing only to get nothing in return. Ingram and Kuzma, et al would basically turn the Spurs into a treadmill team for the next 3 years, meaning no high lottery picks. I'd rather the Spurs just go into tank mode for the next few seasons and stockpile. The pieces we'd get from the Lakers would be a very temporary "fix" (i.e. keeping the Spurs in the 8th seed hunt) that wouldn't set up the club for the future. Some might argue that if the Spurs develop these players to the point where the Spurs are "a piece away" from being a contender, they probably wouldn't leave in FA if the Spurs could sign that missing piece. Don't see that scenario as realistic given the Spurs track record of acquiring high profile free agents.

This is why the Spurs have always stockpiled and built through the draft. If they can get talent as rookies, better chance of the organization "indoctrinating them" into the culture.

[NASpurs]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8uogdw/shelburne_the_lakers_have_discussed_the/


(Shelburne) "The Lakers have discussed the possibility of trading for a different all star besides Kawhi if they feel like the Spurs will not deal with them." (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8uogdw/shelburne_the_lakers_have_discussed_the/)

"just reported on KSPN - ESPN radio 710 AM. Lakers are unsure if the Spurs will deal with them."

[Clipper Nation]

Dario Saric, Covington and a pick which may not even be good? Dario is alright but Covington is mediocore. Philly needs to give up alot more in that trade. The Lakers package is way better if they can add in picks, I'd rather have Ingram over Saric/Covington by a mile.
The Heat's future is not promising. Riley overpaid for a bunch of mediocre, low-ceiling players who are only getting older. That pick is going to be good.

[Marcus Bryant]

Yep. Then watch Ainge scramble and throw the Jaylen + Kyrie + multiple 1sts offer at the Spurs to cockblock the Embiid-Simmons-LeBron-Kawhi dynasty.

You want Boston and Philly fighting over Kawhi.

[Marcus Bryant]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8uogdw/shelburne_the_lakers_have_discussed_the/


(Shelburne) "The Lakers have discussed the possibility of trading for a different all star besides Kawhi if they feel like the Spurs will not deal with them." (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8uogdw/shelburne_the_lakers_have_discussed_the/)

"just reported on KSPN - ESPN radio 710 AM. Lakers are unsure if the Spurs will deal with them."

:lol Well, duh.

[weebo]

CBSSports say Philly is going to offer Saric, Covington, and the unprotected Miami pick. I think the Spurs are more likely to pull the trigger on this trade than LA. Magic should have came with his strongest offer up front instead of trying to pretend he's Ainge.

Fuck that... Spurs need to Herschel Walker this shit.

[midnightpulp]

True, but still, the Lakers with LeBron and a legit super team? How could they pass that up?

Also, while the Finals ratings held up better than I thought considering it was such a lopsided matchup, I have to assume that the league wants the Warriors to lose, at some point, this isn't 90s Jordan who was beloved by the masses(outside of New York) and drew numbers in any scenario..

The only way the Warriors break up is due to money and growing tired of each other..their ownership will gladly continue paying that colossal luxury tax bill if they're winning titles and I'm sure the players will remain happy with each other if they keep winning, as well..

This LeBron/Kawhi/George team is probably the only realistic chance of beating them, next season..

Lakers with LeBron in the Finals would draw ratings regardless of opponent, anyways..if they get Boston in there, even better..

Good point. It's probably more about getting the Lakers back into the Finals than anything else.

[Mugen]

I wonder if Ramona is paid in pounds of potato wedges or mac n' cheese balls.

[HarlemHeat37]

I wonder if Ramona is paid in pounds of potato wedges or mac n' cheese balls.

:lol

Ramona, Jabari and Windhorst in LA..what a trio..

[dbestpro]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8uogdw/shelburne_the_lakers_have_discussed_the/


(Shelburne) "The Lakers have discussed the possibility of trading for a different all star besides Kawhi if they feel like the Spurs will not deal with them." (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8uogdw/shelburne_the_lakers_have_discussed_the/)

"just reported on KSPN - ESPN radio 710 AM. Lakers are unsure if the Spurs will deal with them."

Seems like that might take some air out of the balloon for Kawhi to sign there as a free agent if they load up on allstars before hand.

[RD2191]

I wonder if Ramona is paid in pounds of potato wedges or mac n' cheese balls.

Stop, I can only get so erect.

[Dex]

That's the starting bid Philly can add more, especially given that they are pursuing LeBron.

I'm just glad to see them getting in on the bidding war. Everything today was purely Laker driven. There was a couple Boston drips but, frankly...it sounds like they aren't really ready to play hard ball yet.

If Philly gets in on the action, the price will start going up quick. Lakers need to know that they aren't going to get Kawhi for a bag of magic beans.

[Down Under]

There's no way the Spurs are trading with the Lakers unless they get rid of Ball for another prospect (eg Jaylen Brown, Josh Jackson) as well as Ingram. They know Kuzma isn't a prospect. Magic has to get this done to get LBJ - it would be his biggest failure if he had a chance to lure LeBron & couldn't do it.

[offset formation]

Boston fans and Philly fans are thinking the same thing about Kawhi tbh.

Fixed

[exstatic]

Dario Saric, Covington and a pick which may not even be good? Dario is alright but Covington is mediocore. Philly needs to give up alot more in that trade. The Lakers package is way better if they can add in picks, I'd rather have Ingram over Saric/Covington by a mile.

Ingram isn’t all that, and with Kawhi on board, those picks are guaranteed to be shit. Miami was a 7 seed this year, and will have either 6 or 7 players, none of them stars, making 8 figure annual salaries until 2020. Their chances of improvement are slim.

[FkLA]

There's like 15 pages worth of posts in just the past few hours. :wow

Can someone post cliff notes of what's been happening?

[NASpurs]

I wonder if Ramona is paid in pounds of potato wedges or mac n' cheese balls.

Just imagine Big Mona and Windhorst pounding flesh.

Thank me later.

[HarlemHeat37]

There's like 15 pages worth of posts in just the past few hours. :wow

Can someone post cliff notes of what's been happening?

Nothing..literally nothing:lol

[BatManu20]

Shocker.

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[objective]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8uogdw/shelburne_the_lakers_have_discussed_the/


(Shelburne) "The Lakers have discussed the possibility of trading for a different all star besides Kawhi if they feel like the Spurs will not deal with them." (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8uogdw/shelburne_the_lakers_have_discussed_the/)

"just reported on KSPN - ESPN radio 710 AM. Lakers are unsure if the Spurs will deal with them."

:lol

PANIC BLUFF !!!!

"C'mon guys! If you don't trade us Kawhi, we'll just trade for another MVP top 3 player trying to bully his way out of town!"

[Mugen]

Stop, I can only get so erect.

rob, you seem like a hush puppies type of nigga, amiright?

[SPURt]

There's like 15 pages worth of posts in just the past few hours. :wow

Can someone post cliff notes of what's been happening?
No one knows anything. We’re just panic posting at this point.

[RD2191]

Just imagine Big Mona and Windhorst pounding flesh.

Thank me later.

Not possible unless windhorst is packing some serious hear. Even then, he'd probably due within 5 minutes.

[Mugen]

Just imagine Big Mona and Windhorst pounding flesh.

Thank me later.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/xT9KVlzsyG5MivgM2k/giphy.gif

[NASpurs]

Not that it's directly connected to Kawhi but... maybe Cleveland feels like Lebron is gone.



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[BatManu20]

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[RD2191]

rob, you seem like a hush puppies type of nigga, amiright?

It is what it is. :wakeup

[NASpurs]

:lol

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*edit* my bad, already posted like five pages ago but still funny

[picnroll]

That's the starting bid Philly can add more, especially given that they are pursuing LeBron.

+1
I think they’ll throw in Fultz or Smith if they get any kind of commitment from Leonard like long term, third year player option and no trade without player consent clause.

[Dex]

There's like 15 pages worth of posts in just the past few hours. :wow

Can someone post cliff notes of what's been happening?

Spoiler alert: No one knows what the fuck is going on, but it's the deadest part of the offseason so what else do we have to talk about?

[BatManu20]

Philly fans know it’s a fleece

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[FkLA]

Nothing..literally nothing:lol


No one knows anything. We’re just panic posting at this point.

What's this bullshit about Kawhitter not having fun?

[Mugen]

Spoiler alert: No one knows what the fuck is going on, but it's the deadest part of the offseason so what else do we have to talk about?

Not the deadest part of the offseason tbh, that's usually in August. Bunch of shit usually happens between the draft and Free Agency starting and I imagine we'll see something big go down within the next 24-48 hours.

[Dex]

Not the deadest part of the offseason tbh, that's usually in August. Bunch of shit usually happens between the draft and Free Agency starting and I imagine we'll see something big go down within the next 24-48 hours.

Fair point. At least we can speculate until the cows come home right now.

By August, the premier FAs will have made their decisions and people will be wondering whether Bryn Forbes is ready to be the next Steph for Milwaukee or Sacramento.

[SAGirl]

From what I have been told him and his group want the max deal. Spurs aren't wanting to commit all that money because of the question mark regarding his health.
It makes sense. I was always concerned about that injury. I didn't think he made that up. How he and the Spurs handled it can be questioned but he was legit injured and it was going to be a concern moving forward.

[HarlemHeat37]

That Philly deal would be so bad:lol

Whatever the Spurs do, at least it won't be as bad as what the Raptors got for VC when he quit on them..that was the worst deal I've ever seen for a star player in my basketball lifetime..

[LkrFan]

I wonder if Ramona is paid in pounds of potato wedges or mac n' cheese balls.

:lmao

[FkLA]

Philly fans know it’s a fleece

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If Dario Gallinari is the centerpiece of a Kawhitter trade :vomit:

[exstatic]

Not the deadest part of the offseason tbh, that's usually in August. Bunch of shit usually happens between the draft and Free Agency starting and I imagine we'll see something big go down within the next 24-48 hours.

Watch the internet break tomorrow when LeBron opts out...which everyone knows he will do.

[NASpurs]

Lowe's saying the Spurs don't want to rebuild so I guess LMA isn't going anywhere. :lol

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23938913/zach-lowe-nba-free-agency-preview-lebron-james-paul-george-kawhi-leonard

Lowe: (What the Spurs want for Leonard is a point of some contention. They should pivot into full rebuild mode, but they have indicated to at least some teams that they would prefer to remain competitive, sources say. It may depend on what exactly is offered.)?

[Marcus Bryant]

Fuck that... Spurs need to Herschel Walker this shit.

:tu

[dbestpro]

Looking at the highlights of Saric, he reminds me of a more athletic Scola who shoots the three. His highlights including the 3, banging down low, diving for lose balls, and great passing. Did not see that in any of the Laker highlights.

[BatManu20]

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[HarlemHeat37]

^^as most of us assumed, tbh..no way Pop is rebuilding in his final years..

[spurraider21]

There's like 15 pages worth of posts in just the past few hours. :wow

Can someone post cliff notes of what's been happening?
kawhi told the spurs he wants to be traded. listed LA as his preferred destination

[Extra Stout]

If no acceptable trades materialize, then the Spurs have to be prepared to deal with Kawhi in 2018-19, as follows:
1) Expect him to report to training camp
2) When he fails to show, suspend him indefinitely without pay
3) When he gets around to showing up, keep him inactive and ban him from all team facilities.

[LkrFan]

Just imagine Big Mona and Windhorst pounding flesh.

Thank me later.

Damn son! :vomit:

[Dex]

Lowe's saying the Spurs don't want to rebuild so I guess LMA isn't going anywhere. :lol

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23938913/zach-lowe-nba-free-agency-preview-lebron-james-paul-george-kawhi-leonard

(What the Spurs want for Leonard is a point of some contention. They should pivot into full rebuild mode, but they have indicated to at least some teams that they would prefer to remain competitive, sources say. It may depend on what exactly is offered.)?

Pop ain't trying to coach a rebuilding team and, frankly, that would be a black mark on his legacy. His teams have always been competitive and always made the playoffs. Do you think he wants to accept the Brett Brown role?

[palangi]

If Dario Gallinari is the centerpiece of a Kawhitter trade :vomit:

Ha ha. Dario Gallinari....ha ha

I bet you thought you were cleaver with this post too

[Chillen]

Shocker.

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Why? just ban his father from ever entering the AT&T center. LOL

[BatManu20]

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[Ibleedslvrnblk]

If the Spurs do trade KL to LA the first free agent signing they need to do is get Zaza...

[RD2191]

Where's that huge Sun's trade that was supposed to go down? :lol

[Chillen]

If the Spurs do trade KL to LA the first free agent signing they need to do is get Zaza...

No the Warriors will keep ZaZa to take out LeBron's ankle if he signs with Lakers.

[Clipper Nation]

Why? just ban his father from ever entering the AT&T center. LOL
Because Lonzo is trash. Even if LaVar wasn't annoying, it still wouldn't change the fact that Lonzo can't shoot or score.

[BatManu20]

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[Chillen]

Because Lonzo is trash. Even if LaVar wasn't annoying, it still wouldn't change the fact that Lonzo can't shoot or score.

He just had a rookie season, needs to develop more to become a better player the potential is there. Anyway it was just a joke.

[BatManu20]

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[FkLA]

Ha ha. Dario Gallinari....ha ha

I bet you thought you were cleaver with this post too

Are you Italian, faggot?

[palangi]

Are you Italian, faggot?

I was looking for a dario gallinari on the 76ers roster and couldn't find him. Then i looked on the NBA roster and still no

[Russ]

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Good news -- means the Spurs are winning the negotiation.

[Clipper Nation]

He just had a rookie season, needs to develop more to become a better player the potential is there. Anyway it was just a joke.
:lol He had one of the worst rookie seasons ever in terms of TS%. He was absolutely terrible.

[MoSpur02]

The Lakers are essentially trading for two superstars; LeBron James and Kawhi Leonard. They are wanting to trade to get Kawhi so that it could entice LeBron to come too. So why not trade Hart, Ingram, Kuzma, Randle, and picks? Why is Magic being a cheapskate? LOL.

LeBron is not wanting to be the first domino to fall? He is obviously trying to make moves on the low to form a super team, but is too scared to be the first to make the first move? If he is all about winning, come to the Spurs. If he doesn't wanna come then the Spurs need to chill, tell all the teams that are interested in Kawhi that they will engage in trade talks after the dust settles (LeBron and Paul George decisions).

[BatManu20]

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[FkLA]

I was looking for a dario gallinari on the 76ers roster and couldn't find him. Then i looked on the NBA roster and still no

The point is that both are the same type of overrated, overpaid, slow, C+ level player.

[SAGirl]

What is PHI doing here? You got beat by BOS core when they didn’t have Kyrie or Hayward. Your doctors worked with Kawhi and know the truth about his injury. You can get him with Fultz/Saric/Covington and a pick and you probably have a legit shot with Uncle Dennis ties to PHI and trust in the medical staff to keep Kawhi.

Step up to the damn plate man.
i dont think the Spurs are interested in Fultz personally. Saric is a nice roleplayer, Covington is in Danny mold... those are not guys to take back in for Kiwi... Fultz may bust and they are high on Murray and their other guards. I don't see it... maybe it's bc I don't see the interest in Fultz.

[Hoops Czar]

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The Spurs better get on the phone with Boston.

[palangi]

The point is that both are the same type of overrated, overpaid, slow, C+ level player.

I bet you still think it's Dario Gallinari

[picnroll]

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Competitive i.e. shot at being a first round exit.

Always liked Pop butit’s Time for him to hang it up.

[RD2191]

I bet you still think it's Dario Gallinari

Who the hell cares what his name is? He's a scrub.

[lmbebo]

again, all I do is listen to talk radio

I guess people are hesitant to put out full offers because of Kwahi mental state, did he quit on team, will he quit again. Health issues?

[Leetonidas]

I'm a fan of Saric. Not sure why yall are hating on him:lol he would instantly be our best forward next to Aldridge