Young: sources tell @ExpressNews that Kawhi Leonard wants to be traded from Spurs

[NickiRasgo]

Adrian Wojnarowski: “Tony Parker’s gonna be an interesting because they’re trying to figure out in San Antonio what they’re doing. Can he sit around and wait for that? There is some money – Charlotte’s got some interest in him, think Denver might have a little interest. (http://art19.com/shows/thewojpod/episodes/8c6c6884-cb60-436c-980f-800125b8a136) Denver is looking for a backup point guard so that might be a veteran-minimum guy, but Charlotte has an exception and James Borrego, the new Hornets coach, coached him with the Spurs. And there’s others. There isn’t a team in the league who wouldn’t love to have Tony as a backup.”

http://art19.com/shows/thewojpod/episodes/8c6c6884-cb60-436c-980f-800125b8a136

Do the former Spurs' Big Three (Duncan, Ginobili, Parker) have a house in San Antonio? Anyone knows? Though I think he'll consider the Charlotte because of Batum as well.

[tonight...you]

Do the former Spurs' Big Three (Duncan, Ginobili, Parker) have a house in San Antonio? Anyone knows? Though I think he'll consider the Charlotte because of Batum as well.
Pretty sure they all do. Certain Timmy does. Timmy's at his Blackjack Shop a ton, when he's not playing video games.
What a life, eh? He deserves it.

[cd021]

For comparison, here are the assets that Philly can assemble if they insist on keeping Fultz (assuming Saric and Covington are still in the framework).

- 2021 Heat 1st
- Bolden rights
- Zharie Smith
- their own 1st from 2019-2021
- AP rights
- Residual rights to 2019 Satco 1st Pick (apparently they keep it if its #1)
- 2019 Kings 2nd
- exiting players: Kurkmaz and Luwawu


Boston owns that pick, but the 76ers do own the Nets 2020 second rounder and the Knicks 2020 and 2021 second rounders along with the Pistons 2021 and 2023 seconds-they have a shit ton of seconds.

Something like;

Covington, Saric, 2021 Miami 1st Round Pick, 2019 Philly 1st Round Pick, 2021 Philly 1st Round Pick for Kawhi and Green.

or

Covington, Saric, 2021 Miami 1st Round Pick, 2019 Philly 1st Round Pick, Nets and the Knicks 2020 2nd's and 2021 Knicks second plus Bolden

for Kawhi and Green.

[daslicer]

Well it contradicts tweet posted above:

"because he isn’t looking to join a super-team."?

Sending or joining him to the Lakers will be an instant super-team because of LeBron and Kawhi. It will be easier for them to add another star instantly because of those two.

It does contradict but they are doing that on purpose. They are basically spamming the Spurs left and right when it comes to any trade offer besides the Lakers. I guarantee you if the Spurs are close to working a deal with the Sixers they will start screaming some nonsense about how Kawhi doesn't like Philadelphia.

The only reason they said Kawhi didn't want to play with Lebron was because they were pissed off at the Lakers for not trading for Kawhi immediately Also they were trying to scare the Lakers into believing that Kawhi would not sign with them as a FA unless they traded for him. Cris Carter is Kawhi's uncle's mouthpiece. This guy was screaming the other day the Lakers need do a trade immediately to get Kawhi.

[loveforthegame]

About the only thing that would make this situation less sucky is if another team signed Parker.

[NickiRasgo]

Pretty sure they all do. Certain Timmy does. Timmy's at his Blackjack Shop a ton, when he's not playing video games.
What a life, eh? He deserves it.

Yeah that's the most likely answer that they have their own houses. Just thinking that Parker considering to stay in San Antonio because of that reason. I mean he's been with San Antonio since 2001. Well doesn't seem a big issue since he can buy a new one or rent in Charlotte or stay with Batum. He has money anyways. :lol

[FireMicoHalili]

Lol at reports saying the Lakers are okay to wait for Kawhi until 2019:

Marc Stein: More on the Lakers and DeMarcus Cousins: League sources say they remain Cousins fans but felt they had to pass on signing him now — even at a reduced rate — because the Lakers don’t share the Warriors’ luxury of waiting until January or February for Cousins’ return from injury (https://hoopshype.com/social/)
5 hours ago (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1193597/) – via Twitter (https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine)

[CGD]

Boston owns that pick, but the 76ers do own the Nets 2020 second rounder and the Knicks 2020 and 2021 second rounders along with the Pistons 2021 and 2023 seconds-they have a shit ton of seconds.

Ah good catch

[CGD]

Fultz, Chandler, Saric, korkmaz, heat pick, sac residual pick, and Philly 1st in 2021.

That would be great, but I wonder what plan b is if they insist on no Fultz. I kinda think Spurs would need all of it, with Saric and Convington.

[daslicer]

About the only thing that would make this situation less sucky is if another team signed Parker.

I think Kawhi's people have already game planned for that. I heard Cris Carter saying the other day it wasn't Tony Parker's comments that were the last straw for Kawhi to want to leave the Spurs but it was other things. In other words they know Parker most likely will not be back and that they can't use Parker insult card anymore for Kawhi wanting to leave.

[tonight...you]

Yeah that's the most likely answer that they have their own houses. Just thinking that Parker considering to stay in San Antonio because of that reason. I mean he's been with San Antonio since 2001. Well doesn't seem a big issue since he can buy a new one or rent in Charlotte or stay with Batum. He has money anyways. :lol
Your avi... you watch that Punisher series on Netflix? I've wondered if it's worth a view.

[NickiRasgo]

It does contradict but they are doing that on purpose. They are basically spamming the Spurs left and right when it comes to any trade offer besides the Lakers. I guarantee you if the Spurs are close to working a deal with the Sixers they will start screaming some nonsense about how Kawhi doesn't like Philadelphia.

The only reason they said Kawhi didn't want to play with Lebron was because they were pissed off at the Lakers for not trading for Kawhi immediately Also they were trying to scare the Lakers into believing that Kawhi would not sign with them as a FA unless they traded for him. Cris Carter is Kawhi's uncle's mouthpiece. This guy was screaming the other day the Lakers need do a trade immediately to get Kawhi.

The frustrating about this issue is that you don't know which is which is real. So I guess even the Spurs working a deal with Sixers, they won't mind it what the others are reporting especially with regards with Paul George situation. Man, I just hope this issue resolves sooner but those offers are really bad at the moment but then, the Cavs loses LeBron for nothing.

[spurschamps99030507]

Adrian Wojnarowski: “To this point in trade discussions, the Lakers have not shown a sense of urgency to make a Kawhi Leonard trade.” (http://art19.com/shows/thewojpod/episodes/d8deef48-1c98-47e1-9c44-aa59217c2869)

http://art19.com/shows/thewojpod/episodes/d8deef48-1c98-47e1-9c44-aa59217c2869

[daslicer]

The frustrating about this issue is that you don't know which is which is real. So I guess even the Spurs working a deal with Sixers, they won't mind it what the others are reporting especially with regards with Paul George situation. Man, I just hope this issue resolves sooner but those offers are really bad at the moment but then, the Cavs loses LeBron for nothing.

Honestly I believe you force Kawhi to play next year to increase his value. If Kawhi returns to MVP form then teams will get desperate and will start offering better deals. IF that still doesn't work then you just let him walk. If we are being real here there is no point of trading for scrubs when you could just get them easily on the FA market.

[NickiRasgo]

Your avi... you watch that Punisher series on Netflix? I've wondered if it's worth a view.

Not really. :lol I just took it on the internet because Tim Duncan loves the Punisher character so I look for the one with a Spurs logo - luckily found one. :toast But to answer your question based from the others what they're saying about the series, it seems pretty decent for a Marvel (TV Series) but not with the level of hype of Walking Dead (earlier), Game Of Thrones, Stranger Things, etc. Marvel (TV Series) seems average compared to those DC (TV Series). Just what others are saying and what I've noticed as well. Really not fond watching TV Series, I've only watched Walking Dead but loses interest of it since it's getting boring - maybe because what happened with Glenn, it starts to fall off the clip. Currently, I was hooked with Stranger Things but Season 3 I think is still next year. :depressed

For the moment, we'll have to wait and see this Kawhi's drama series. :lol

[tonight...you]

I think Kawhi's people have already game planned for that. I heard Cris Carter saying the other day it wasn't Tony Parker's comments that were the last straw for Kawhi to want to leave the Spurs but it was other things. In other words they know Parker most likely will not be back and that they can't use Parker insult card anymore for Kawhi wanting to leave.
We're all such selfish whores that we don't care how anything gets done, as long as it gets done for us.
Laker fans give zero shiv about the underhanded and incompetent shit going on here, as long as it gets them their guy.
It's the same with society really.
As long as we win, who cares? The Ends justify the Means, no matter if it compromises your core beliefs. They weren't that strong anyway...

[tonight...you]

Not really. :lol I just took it on the internet because Tim Duncan loves the Punisher character so I look for the one with a Spurs logo - luckily found one. :toast But to answer your question based from the others what they're saying about the series, it seems pretty decent for a Marvel (TV Series) but not with the level of hype of Walking Dead (earlier), Game Of Thrones, Stranger Things, etc. Marvel (TV Series) seems average compared to those DC (TV Series). Just what others are saying and what I've noticed as well. Really not fond watching TV Series, I've only watched Walking Dead but loses interest of it since it's getting boring - maybe because what happened with Glenn, it starts to fall off the clip. Currently, I was hooked with Stranger Things but Season 3 I think is still next year. :depressed

For the moment, we'll have to wait and see this Kawhi's drama series. :lol
Right on... I just watch MST3K and Rifftrax. Wanted to ask though. Thanks!

[NickiRasgo]

Honestly I believe you force Kawhi to play next year to increase his value. If Kawhi returns to MVP form then teams will get desperate and will start offering better deals. IF that still doesn't work then you just let him walk. If we are being real here there is no point of trading for scrubs when you could just get them easily on the FA market.

That's what I thought. I just don't think he'll be the same. :depressed I mean he can play but I don't think he'll be eager to play like he plays before. He could play like not playing at 100% but still showing some good flashes, just to somehow increase his value. He could secretly tell the Lakers that he'll join them anyways.

I'm not gonna lie, even I'm opened in trading Kawhi but it's hard to imagine that someone will replace his skills sooner. I just even watched his Game 4 perfomance against the Grizzlies last 2017 NBA Playoffs. :depressed Who would thought that we're almost an injury away of being in the Finals again. Heck even one season away is possible then this drama happened.

[SAGirl]

Problem with a no trade clause is he can sign it, start pulling the same shit to try to force himself onto the Lakers, contract in hand. Now Spurs will have to take a boatload of crap back just to match salaries. Who the fuck on the Spurs should trust Leonard and his group at this point?
In your scenario it wouldn't matter if he was a n elite player like a year ago. Because c he would have years left in his contract he could be traded wherever and he wouldn't eh able to stop that trade without a lawsuit. He wanted control. As we know with Carmelo's no trade clause it's horrible if the player declines in a huge long term deal and he can veto trades. Not even Steph Curry got a no trade clause in his deal. Fwiw

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Is it low key possible Kawhi’s injury is more serious than we realize?

[NickiRasgo]

Right on... I just watch MST3K and Rifftrax. Wanted to ask though. Thanks!

I'm not really into TV series except if it's really interesting especially the settings and cinematography. I'm really picky. :lol I'm more often play competitive games like Dota, CSGO or PUBG rather than watching. Heck I even enjoyed watching eSports today than watching the NBA. For the record, I think I only watched less than five or between 5-10 games (live) of the Spurs this previous season.

[baseline bum]

Is it low key possible Kawhi’s injury is more serious than we realize?

No the faggot is 100%

[ace3g]

Is it low key possible Kawhi’s injury is more serious than we realize?

In the back of my mind I always wondered if they found something worse when they did the MRI.

[NickiRasgo]

Is it low key possible Kawhi’s injury is more serious than we realize?

It's your fault! :lol Just kidding. I don't think it is but maybe. Maybe it's one of the reason why Spurs is not offering the supermax yet or trying to low-ball Kawhi because of his current or history of injury/ies.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

It's your fault! :lol Just kidding. I don't think it is but maybe. Maybe it's one of the reason why Spurs is not offering the supermax yet or trying to low-ball Kawhi because of his current or history of injury/ies.

:lol if he joins LA I’m starting all their game threads!

[callo1]

The problem with this league is the fact that organizations treat players as divas. From AAU on, these guys expect to be given whatever they ask for.

Part of being an alluring team for these players is pampering them to the enth degree.

I'm sure Pop and RC are going to do what Kawhi wants every bit as much as what is best for the franchise, because ultimately they are one and the same. It is even more important for small market teams to pamper players because it is often the only way to lure free agent prospects to the team.

So many people on these forums get mad that the Spurs give out loyalty contracts. They have to in order to have any chance to compete will larger markets. They have to portray the Spurs family angle, and player loyalty or they have no chance of getting top tier talent. With all of that, they are still at a disadvantage compared to large market teams.

What frustrates me more than anything about the Kawhi saga is how his camp has sullied the Spurs organization throughout the entire process. The media jumped on board and took it to another level to cater to their own agenda. The Spurs are not perfect, but no franchise is.

What Kawhi, his camp, and the media have done is just abhorrent.

This is why the Spurs will cater to Kawhi, and this is why I just want him gone. Either that, or use him for one more year and let him walk for nothing. At least during that one year he will play hard to prevent his value from dropping further, and next year there will be cap space available.

[MoSpur02]

He was ready to accept the extension just a few weeks ago, his camp leaked it to Jabari and Shams. Then the Spurs denied him the deal

With Kawhi in a long term contract, they would have many teams willing to give it all for him in 2021 FA. He plays this next and 2020 season in SA and then trade him for whatever Spurs want.

The Spurs would have looked elite for two seasons more and then get what they want in a trade.

It would have been way better than this zero-great offers/losing him for nothing.

BS per usual. His uncle is withholding medical information. He doesn't wanna release anything until they get an offer for the max

[Marcus Bryant]

No the faggot is 100%

[spursistan]

No the faggot is 100%

[SAGirl]

1014328170093441026

:lol


So he wants to be the face of a franchise surrounded by scrubs? Spurs anyone? :lobt2: :lol
According to shams, he's not looking for a superteam... Hey
I always thought the complaints about the roster were a spurstalk thing and they are. I will give him that he wasn't a guy to be complaining about not having enough help like LeBron tbh. It's a shame.

As you know I do belive he got injured and then got greedy. That's a bad combination but dude was a competitor. Would hate him in another team bc it healthy he will be great anywhere. Don't eexpect him to be a leader and buddy/buddy with teammates or do media though.

[ECOV]

Lol at reports saying the Lakers are okay to wait for Kawhi until 2019:

Marc Stein: More on the Lakers and DeMarcus Cousins: League sources say they remain Cousins fans but felt they had to pass on signing him now — even at a reduced rate — because the Lakers don’t share the Warriors’ luxury of waiting until January or February for Cousins’ return from injury (https://hoopshype.com/social/)
5 hours ago (https://hoopshype.com/rumor/1193597/) – via Twitter (https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine)

Exactly almost no teams can do that except for the warriors , media sucking the warriors chode and talking shit about other teams not signing this 7ft cry baby

[Marcus Bryant]

The problem with this league is the fact that organizations treat players as divas. From AAU on, these guys expect to be given whatever they ask for.

Part of being an alluring team for these players is pampering them to the enth degree.

I'm sure Pop and RC are going to do what Kawhi wants every bit as much as what is best for the franchise, because ultimately they are one and the same. It is even more important for small market teams to pamper players because it is often the only way to lure free agent prospects to the team.

So many people on these forums get mad that the Spurs give out loyalty contracts. They have to in order to have any chance to compete will larger markets. They have to portray the Spurs family angle, and player loyalty or they have no chance of getting top tier talent. With all of that, they are still at a disadvantage compared to large market teams.

What frustrates me more than anything about the Kawhi saga is how his camp has sullied the Spurs organization throughout the entire process. The media jumped on board and took it to another level to cater to their own agenda. The Spurs are not perfect, but no franchise is.

What Kawhi, his camp, and the media have done is just abhorrent.

This is why the Spurs will cater to Kawhi, and this is why I just want him gone. Either that, or use him for one more year and let him walk for nothing. At least during that one year he will play hard to prevent his value from dropping further, and next year there will be cap space available.

Good post. Yes there has been some good fortune but they have made the playoffs 28 times out of the last 29 seasons (I think). Six Finals appearances and five NBA championships. The system is proven. If this organization was in NY, LA, Chicago, you would think it was a modern day version of the Yankees of the 30s or the 50s given how it would be treated by the various national sports media outlets. At this point there's nothing to prove, nothing to defend. If Leonard wants his group to get him out of SA, well, he'll be gone one way or the other. The franchise will live on without him, as it has before he ever showed up.

[tonight...you]

:lol if he joins LA I’m starting all their game threads!
The man's a Soulja!!!

[NickiRasgo]

The problem with this league is the fact that organizations treat players as divas. From AAU on, these guys expect to be given whatever they ask for.

Part of being an alluring team for these players is pampering them to the enth degree.

I'm sure Pop and RC are going to do what Kawhi wants every bit as much as what is best for the franchise, because ultimately they are one and the same. It is even more important for small market teams to pamper players because it is often the only way to lure free agent prospects to the team.

So many people on these forums get mad that the Spurs give out loyalty contracts. They have to in order to have any chance to compete will larger markets. They have to portray the Spurs family angle, and player loyalty or they have no chance of getting top tier talent. With all of that, they are still at a disadvantage compared to large market teams.

What frustrates me more than anything about the Kawhi saga is how his camp has sullied the Spurs organization throughout the entire process. The media jumped on board and took it to another level to cater to their own agenda. The Spurs are not perfect, but no franchise is.

What Kawhi, his camp, and the media have done is just abhorrent.

This is why the Spurs will cater to Kawhi, and this is why I just want him gone. Either that, or use him for one more year and let him walk for nothing. At least during that one year he will play hard to prevent his value from dropping further, and next year there will be cap space available.

Agree with you especially on the statement you've said. Anyone is now saying bad things about the Spurs as if the Spurs are known about it. Spurs take good care of Robinson, Duncan, Ginobili and Parker and even some previous solid role players of the Spurs. Then because of Leonard, they're now saying sh*t about the Spurs as if they're the one to be fully blame here. If Leonard and his camp just speak and talk about it, it won't be like and taken care of professionally.

Though I'm still open for him to stayed but just speak and clean about what they've done to Spurs. It's still hard to replace Leonard especially if he's healthy.

[MoSpur02]

The Boston Celtics aren't prepared to mortgage their future to acquire San Antonio Spurs star Kawhi Leonard.

ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski reported the Celtics consider their top five players "off limits" in any negotiations with the Spurs. Wojnarowski added Boston is prepared to make a "pick-heavy" offer but that San Antonio is looking to add players as well:


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2784530-kawhi-leonard-trade-rumors-celtics-top-5-players-off-limits-in-talks

I guess that Boston negotiation I mentioned yesterday didn't go to well. I didn't wanna post too much, but apparently Pop and Kawhi were or are going to meet. Tje Spurs were gonna negotiate with Boston, but the Spurs want a player or players from Boston. They are not going to settle. Last from what I heard.

Things can change though. I haven't heard any news since yesterday. I hope they don't change and hope the Spurs work something out with Kawhi or stick to their guns as to what they want in return.

[NickiRasgo]

:lol if he joins LA I’m starting all their game threads!

Yes please. :lol

[picnroll]

In the back of my mind I always wondered if they found something worse when they did the MRI.

If it is the case that he had a serious career threatening injury why would he be making the demands to be traded to LA? Seems in that case he’d have just laid low and gone for the supermax deal with the Spurs.

[spursistan]

Feels like, as Woj mentioned, teams realizing they are dealing with a bunch of amateurs and snake oil salesmen, which Kawhi's representatives are, is a major reason no trades talks have gotten any serious traction..

These people cannot be trusted; they are literally dabbling in this shit..

[Down Under]

I think Pelton used the Dwight Howard example of spurning the Lakers after he said he wanted to go there as a counter to the argument that they missed Paul George by not trading for him. But the chance of that happening is low given he's from LA, is not actually hurt & also Kawhi is a better player than Howard was at any time during his career & has been on an upward trajectory every year. As someone said, there's usually less than a handful of players in the league, every decade who lead their teams to just about every championship & Kawhi is on that level. It would be dumb of the Lakers to risk that getting away & not offer the Spurs what they want.

[tonight...you]

:lol if he joins LA I’m starting all their game threads!
The man's a Soulja!!!

[cjw]

Not that I think the Spurs should take Ainge’s proposal but:

1. Celtics own all of their first round selections going forward.

2. Celtics get the Sacramento Kings first round pick in 2019. This option was picked up by the Celtics on trade with Philadelphia for first overall pick in 2017 NBA Draft.

3. The Celtics will get the L.A. Clippers first round pick in 2019 only if it's is No. 15 or later (1 to 14 are protected). If Celtics don't get the pick, it reverts to 2020 under same restrictions, from pick No. 15 and later. If the Celtics don't get that Clippers pick in 2020, they will receive the Clippers 2022 second round pick.

4. The Celtics will get the Memphis first round pick in 2019 if it is No. 9 overall or later; or No. 7 and later in 2020. Otherwise, the Celtics will receive the Memphis first round pick in 2021 with no restrictions.


Man, four first rounders is a shit ton to give up, even for a Kawhi-though he would likely stay there, given reports.

Btw, they wouldn't need to go that far in the future to trade picks, when they can trade a likely lottery pick next year in 2019 then the '21 and '23 1st rounders.


Harris, Boban, Dekker, 2019 1st (1-14 unprotected to Spurs, 15-30 to Celtics) 2021 and '2023 1st round picks for Kawhi and Gasol would work and would slash about $12 million off this year's team salary


Can the Clippers even trade their 2021 pick given the protections on the 2019 pick that could become the 2020 pick?

I also wouldn’t touch the Clippers pick the Celtics own as that would mean Kawhi to Celtics = Clippers have no hope of making the playoffs = that becomes a second rounder.

[tonight...you]

I'm not really into TV series except if it's really interesting especially the settings and cinematography. I'm really picky. :lol I'm more often play competitive games like Dota, CSGO or PUBG rather than watching. Heck I even enjoyed watching eSports today than watching the NBA. For the record, I think I only watched less than five or between 5-10 games (live) of the Spurs this previous season.
I can dig that. Never played PUBG, but I'm interested... Unfortunately all my friends are console players and I'm PC.

[callo1]

Agree with you especially on the statement you've said. Anyone is now saying bad things about the Spurs as if the Spurs are known about it. Spurs take good care of Robinson, Duncan, Ginobili and Parker and even some previous solid role players of the Spurs. Then because of Leonard, they're now saying sh*t about the Spurs as if they're the one to be fully blame here. If Leonard and his camp just speak and talk about it, it won't be like and taken care of professionally.

Though I'm still open for him to stayed but just speak and clean about what they've done to Spurs. It's still hard to replace Leonard especially if he's healthy.

Anyone remember Avery's final contract...talk about a loyalty contract, It was absurd. I can't remember the exact figures, but I am sure somebody on this forum knows?

[Vic Petro]

Anyone remember Avery's final contract...talk about a loyalty contract, It was absurd. I can't remember the exact figures, but I am sure somebody on this forum knows?

$8m in his final year with the team ‘00-01

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Espn and quite every people that till now has talked about the Kiwhi situation have to be call out in some manner.
I understand that' probably breaking chances to mend the relationship with uncle dennis, but at some point some of the bullshit this people is throwing to the Spurs organization has to end...
Till now the only voice that has said something that could be considered for the Spurs side is Simmons, and his 8/9 doctors thing.
Imho its obvious that all this has been orchestrated since a long time and the main media, all have an interest to provoke a splitting on the Kiwhi/Spurs relationship.

The point that has to be made clear is that the Spurs behavior has always been in the sense of protect the player from any kind of dangerous injury (see the fact we decided to sit him in the conference finals just for a sprained anckle) and having confidence in the player's and his group honesty (see the freedom given in consenting them to find other medical opinions and consenting his reabilitation in N.Y.)...
The other point to make clear is that Kiwhi has became what he was till one year ago in great part because of the Spurs environment, choices and training...and that the relationship with Pop was so good that he is the only person he's still talking with...

The contradictions coming from the Kawhi's group are many and obvious...its time to let them emerge and to èut out the possible conflict of interest between the player and the sociaty thet's acting for him.

[barakz21]

I can dig that. Never played PUBG, but I'm interested... Unfortunately all my friends are console players and I'm PC.

dota 2?

[SAGirl]

Is it low key possible Kawhi’s injury is more serious than we realize?
I have been saying that long ago.
He might have recovered but IMO he was legit injured. I still have questions he will not have recurring issues in that leg.

Chinook also thinks the injury has been at the center of their disagreements.

[tonight...you]

dota 2?
I've played it. I get it. There are so many characters though... I'd throw down, but I definitely need to get more savvy with it.

[offset formation]

You think? I got friends that range from Rockets to Thunder fans, even Laker fans thinking Kawhi is a bitch.

Without a doubt this is the correct view.

All one needs do is visit the NBA reddit page. Its 85/15 people thinking Kawhi has made the error in handling this situation. It's not even close really. Makes me laugh that auntfocker thinks Cowherd = truth.

[tonight...you]

I have been saying that long ago.
He might have recovered but IMO he was legit injured. I still have questions he will not have recurring issues in that leg.

Chinook also thinks the injury has been at the center of their disagreements.
Therein lies the Rub: If the Spurs were certain he has a degenerative condition, or something that's really chronic - trading him for scraps to LA is not THAT bad.
You're gaining assets from them and possibly sabotaging what they want at the same time...
But what if it was all a fraud? Like him and his reps have shown to be above that... Then you're gifting a Top 5 player to another team. And the Lakers?
It's a conundrum.

[Ron Swanson]

:lol if he joins LA I’m starting all their game threads!

:lmao

[offset formation]

RC should just come out and say we've decided not to trade Kawhi Leonard, he is under contract, and we'll see him at training camp. Obviously, that won't stop offers coming in, but taking a public position that he will be playing for the Spurs this year will change the media narrative. If his mouth pieces like Carter advocate sitting out or a "flare up" of the old injury they'll be hanging themselves with their own rope. It will turn the narrative from "bad spurs" to "is Kawhi really going to breech a contract or fake an injury (again)".

Absolutely spot on.

[daslicer]

Without a doubt this is the correct view.

All one needs do is visit the NBA reddit page. Its 85/15 people thinking Kawhi has made the error in handling this situation. It's not even close really. Makes me laugh that auntfocker thinks Cowherd = truth.

I live in Charlotte and 99 percent of the people I have talked to all think Kawhi is a bitch and is faking injury. The only person who I have encountered who believes the media narrative is a laker fan. It's amazing how the media keeps pushing these bs lies about the Spurs when the majority of people don't believe them.

[objective]

Anyone remember Avery's final contract...talk about a loyalty contract, It was absurd. I can't remember the exact figures, but I am sure somebody on this forum knows?

His contract after that was even worse. Denver gave him something like 3/15 or near there and he was already thoroughly washed up. Traded from team to team after that. $5 million for a back up point guard crashing into third string was absurd at the time. What was the cap? $40 million?

[offset formation]

Man, I still hate him because he's a grown ass man, but it's hard to not feel sorry for the kid. It's pretty easy to connect the dots.

Quiet, low-key guy from a close-knit family gets to the NBA. All of a sudden blows up and is one of the biggest names in the sport.

The only family member with any business sense/interest is retard Dennis and is trusted implicitly by Kawhi and his mom, etc.

Dennis gets involved with a bunch of snake oil salesmen that promise him that he can have a Rich Paul type stake in the empire they're trying to build , without realizing that him and his nephew are just a means to an end for these fucking leeches.

Smh.

Indubitibly accurate.

[daslicer]

Agree with you especially on the statement you've said. Anyone is now saying bad things about the Spurs as if the Spurs are known about it. Spurs take good care of Robinson, Duncan, Ginobili and Parker and even some previous solid role players of the Spurs. Then because of Leonard, they're now saying sh*t about the Spurs as if they're the one to be fully blame here. If Leonard and his camp just speak and talk about it, it won't be like and taken care of professionally.

Though I'm still open for him to stayed but just speak and clean about what they've done to Spurs. It's still hard to replace Leonard especially if he's healthy.

The media has an agenda. They desperately want to make the Lakers great again and see Kawhi as somebody who could do that. Notice how these clowns keep using Stephen Jackson as a credible source when it comes to talking about the Spurs but ignores the fact that this guy has been kicked off the Spurs twice in his career. Anybody with common sense can see Jax has an ax to grind with the Spurs but the media clearly ignores it to push their agenda.

[offset formation]

DeMar DeRozan's response when asked if he'd come play for the Lakers: "Hell nah."

https://twitter.com/YahooSports/status/1014585554497867783

Hell 2 Da Naw...

[offset formation]

That isn't Kawhi's title to claim. That was the beautiful game's title.

Damn str8.

[apalisoc_9]

Damn str8.

Flufler

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Flufler

https://i.imgur.com/gdV4WLY.gif

[NickiRasgo]

I can dig that. Never played PUBG, but I'm interested... Unfortunately all my friends are console players and I'm PC.

Try to play it. :D It was on sale previously but it kinda requires a medium to high specs to have a good FPS. Luckily I was able to buy an 1080TI before the prices went high because of mining craze. However, PUBG is kinda competitive and it' ll make you frustrated. :lol But eventually once you play along, you'll somehow amaze with yourself that you're improving. :toast Still hard to win though. Some players still can't win a solo game even after a year.

[offset formation]

Lol. His agents are so out of their league.

FIFY

[tonight...you]

Try to play it. :D It was on sale previously but it kinda requires a medium to high specs to have a good FPS. Luckily I was able to buy an 1080TI before the prices went high because of mining craze. However, PUBG is kinda competitive and it' ll make you frustrated. :lol But eventually once you play along, you'll somehow amaze with yourself that you're improving. :toast Still hard to win though. Some players still can't win a solo game even after a year.
I have a monster rig. I used to do game reviews for a company and they got me a laptop that kills so I could play anything for the next few years.
Dizamn! No wins after an entire year?
Money's nothing. I'm going to look on Steam.

[RsxPiimp]

Flufler

hey bruh, you’re trnding in LG and in social media sites, fwiw :lmao

[apalisoc_9]

hey bruh, you’re trnding in LG and in social media sites, fwiw :lmao

What? :lol

[apalisoc_9]

Hopefully Kawhi and PATFO can come to terms. Kawhi and his camp and a certain team have agreed but The Spurs organization want to drag this one out.

[RsxPiimp]

What? :lol

yeah bruh, you’re pretty much the source over there :lol they talked about you for a few pages

http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=184797&postdays=0&postorder=asc******=11250

[NickiRasgo]

I have a monster rig. I used to do game reviews for a company and they got me a laptop that kills so I could play anything for the next few years.
Dizamn! No wins after an entire year?
Money's nothing. I'm going to look on Steam.

Damn. That's nice to hear. :o I'm curious, can I take a look? :toast You can PM if you want.

Yes. It's pretty hard to be honest but still enjoyable for me. Probably one of the reason why others prefers to play Fornite because it's much easier shooting mechanics wise. You'll probably start playing with TPP (Third-Person Perspective) but I suggest you switch to FPP (First-Person Perspective) afterwards, it's pretty fun and competitive. Try to watch some videos of shroud in YouTube. :toast Just a heads-up as well, sometimes it's still buggy and unstable but really improves since early this year.

[Kermit]

Hopefully Kawhi and PATFO can come to terms.

He’s under contract.


Kawhi and his camp and a certain team have agreed

Tampering.



The Spurs organization want to drag this one out.

So, not a done deal?

[Hoops Czar]

Hopefully Kawhi and PATFO can come to terms. Kawhi and his camp and a certain team have agreed but The Spurs organization want to drag this one out.

You said it was a done deal and Kawhi's personal problems were the cause of the hold up. At least try to stay consistent.

[apalisoc_9]

You said it was a done deal and Kawhi's personal problems were the cause of the hold up. At least try to stay consistent.

It is consistent.

The problem is with the spurs FO. Spurs and Kawhi have agreed to a trade to LA but obviously they wont say this.

Problem is San Antonio is being very petty right now.

[Kermit]

It is consistent.

The problem is with the spurs FO. Spurs and Kawhi have agreed to a trade to LA but obviously they wont say this.

Problem is San Antonio is being very petty right now.

LA: I give you tree fiddy.

SA: Dude, no.

LA: Why you so petty?

[offset formation]

Hopefully Kawhi and PATFO can come to terms. Kawhi and his camp and a certain team have agreed but The Spurs organization want to drag this one out.

Lulz. That's not how it works, numnutz.

[SpursDynasty85]

It is consistent.

The problem is with the spurs FO. Spurs and Kawhi have agreed to a trade to LA but obviously they wont say this.

Problem is San Antonio is being very petty right now.

Right because publicly demanding a trade to LA is agreeing to a trade to LA. Ok...

[barakz21]

I've played it. I get it. There are so many characters though... I'd throw down, but I definitely need to get more savvy with it.

Better than LoL, imo. I only ever play with sniper though. You’re either GOAT or the goat.

[spurraider21]

It is consistent.

The problem is with the spurs FO. Spurs and Kawhi have agreed to a trade to LA but obviously they wont say this.

Problem is San Antonio is being very petty right now.
So you’re saying spurs agreed to a trade but it’s being held up because the spurs haven’t agreed to a trade.

Seems legit

[gambit1990]

per reddit:

(Aldridge) "Pop told Kawhi during their meeting in June that they would acquire another All Star if he committed to them long term and that they would win the West this upcoming season."

David Aldridge reporting on nba tv. Speculated that kemba walker is the all star they would acquire. Said Kawhi is still not interested in staying with team, but Spurs are still hopeful that could change.

[HarlemHeat37]

^^Damn, that was the trade many of us predicted last off-season before Kawhi hated the Spurs:lol

[daslicer]

per reddit:

(Aldridge) "Pop told Kawhi during their meeting in June that they would acquire another All Star if he committed to them long term and that they would win the West this upcoming season."

David Aldridge reporting on nba tv. Speculated that kemba walker is the all star they would acquire. Said Kawhi is still not interested in staying with team, but Spurs are still hopeful that could change.

This just adds more salt to the wound. Very frustrating of what could have been if Kawhi wasn't a dumb mute controlled by his uncle.

[dabom]

per reddit:

(Aldridge) "Pop told Kawhi during their meeting in June that they would acquire another All Star if he committed to them long term and that they would win the West this upcoming season."

David Aldridge reporting on nba tv. Speculated that kemba walker is the all star they would acquire. Said Kawhi is still not interested in staying with team, but Spurs are still hopeful that could change.


:wow:wow :bang

[NASpurs]

per reddit:

(Aldridge) "Pop told Kawhi during their meeting in June that they would acquire another All Star if he committed to them long term and that they would win the West this upcoming season."

David Aldridge reporting on nba tv. Speculated that kemba walker is the all star they would acquire. Said Kawhi is still not interested in staying with team, but Spurs are still hopeful that could change.

So don’t get too attached to Murray is the moral of the story.

[Hoops Czar]

per reddit:

(Aldridge) "Pop told Kawhi during their meeting in June that they would acquire another All Star if he committed to them long term and that they would win the West this upcoming season."

David Aldridge reporting on nba tv. Speculated that kemba walker is the all star they would acquire. Said Kawhi is still not interested in staying with team, but Spurs are still hopeful that could change.

Yeah, with what assets?

[RD2191]

Yeah, with what assets?

That's my question. I'm guessing DJ and white maybe?

[NASpurs]

That's my question. I'm guessing DJ and white maybe?

Probably have to take one of their bloated contracts and give up LDN too.

[SpursDynasty85]

Yeah, with what assets?

DJ, Lonnie Walker, plus draft pick?

[Pavlov]

Hopefully Kawhi and PATFO can come to terms. Kawhi and his camp and a certain team have agreed but The Spurs organization want to drag this one out.
So not really a done deal?

[Marcus Bryant]

So you’re saying spurs agreed to a trade but it’s being held up because the spurs haven’t agreed to a trade.

Seems legit

:tu Only thing dumber is Laker fan thinking it's true, apparently.

[Mr. Body]

per reddit:

(Aldridge) "Pop told Kawhi during their meeting in June that they would acquire another All Star if he committed to them long term and that they would win the West this upcoming season."

David Aldridge reporting on nba tv. Speculated that kemba walker is the all star they would acquire. Said Kawhi is still not interested in staying with team, but Spurs are still hopeful that could change.

Pau Gasol is a former all-star. Done!

[Hoops Czar]

That's my question. I'm guessing DJ and white maybe?


DJ, Lonnie Walker, plus draft pick?


I don't know but they supposedly had zero assets to get Kyrie Irving last offseason, though they tried really hard to trade for him according to woj and TD21 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=908), although no players were mentioned during the top secret negotiations. DJ didn't evolve much from last year and White didn't get much of a chance to showcase himself.

[apalisoc_9]

Omg Im all over twitter and Lakersground :lol

I guess the people deserve the truth.

[HarlemHeat37]

Omg Im all over twitter and Lakersground :lol

I guess the people deserve the truth.

:lol keep giving the people their news, you'll be the new Shams very soon..

Don't forget us when you blow up, though..

[loveforthegame]

per reddit:

(Aldridge) "Pop told Kawhi during their meeting in June that they would acquire another All Star if he committed to them long term and that they would win the West this upcoming season."

David Aldridge reporting on nba tv. Speculated that kemba walker is the all star they would acquire. Said Kawhi is still not interested in staying with team, but Spurs are still hopeful that could change.

Cripes. I’m scared to know which washed up former all-star Pop promised Kawhi.

[MoSpur02]

Omg Im all over twitter and Lakersground :lol

I guess the people deserve the truth.

Do they know your last name is Cisneros?

[spurraider21]

Omg Im all over twitter and Lakersground :lol

I guess the people deserve the truth.
Link?

[RD2191]

Link?

Tbh :lol

[ducks]

per reddit:

(Aldridge) "Pop told Kawhi during their meeting in June that they would acquire another All Star if he committed to them long term and that they would win the West this upcoming season."

David Aldridge reporting on nba tv. Speculated that kemba walker is the all star they would acquire. Said Kawhi is still not interested in staying with team, but Spurs are still hopeful that could change.

Could explain the vet signings quick

[BillMc]

per reddit:

(Aldridge) "Pop told Kawhi during their meeting in June that they would acquire another All Star if he committed to them long term and that they would win the West this upcoming season."

David Aldridge reporting on nba tv. Speculated that kemba walker is the all star they would acquire. Said Kawhi is still not interested in staying with team, but Spurs are still hopeful that could change.

If Spurs still wanted a long term commitment, then was the SuperMax on the table?

[lmbebo]

If Spurs still wanted a long term commitment, then was the SuperMax on the table?

Wonder if that trade was Walker and Batum for Pau and Mills

[ducks]

Wonder if that trade was Walker and Batum for Pau and Mills

If they would accept they would be fools

[SpursDynasty85]

I don't know but they supposedly had zero assets to get Kyrie Irving last offseason, though they tried really hard to trade for him according to woj and TD21 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=908), although no players were mentioned during the top secret negotiations. DJ didn't evolve much from last year and White didn't get much of a chance to showcase himself.

DJ went from austin g league to 2nd team all defense bro. Yes. The lottery pick plus IT looked pretty friggin good last year.

[apalisoc_9]

Its time for you to win your way kawhi.

[ducks]

Its time for you to win your way kawhi.

222 million would be a win
Tax free state

[dbestpro]

Hopefully Kawhi and PATFO can come to terms. Kawhi and his camp and a certain team have agreed but The Spurs organization want to drag this one out.

This is like saying your 14 daughter and her 18 year old boyfriend have agreed to live together but you say no. Guess you would be considered dragging that one out.

[Hoops Czar]

DJ went from austin g league to 2nd team all defense bro. Yes. The lottery pick plus IT looked pretty friggin good last year.
To go along with his top 300 offense? If you're a pg in this league, you'd better have some offensive skill, something that resembles a jumpshot and you need to make the players around you better. DJ does none of that.

[SpursDynasty85]

To go along with his top 300 offense? If you're a pg in this league, you'd better have some offensive skill, something that resembles a jumpshot and you need to make the players around you better. DJ does none of that.

Was just stating I disagree with your assessment of him not making strides. DJ looked terrible in the Summer Leagues and his rookie year and looked like a complete bust. This past year showed he had potential and is at least a multi year NBA player. Your right about his offense though. It is very underwhelming. If he can shoot confidently and get tighter handles, things will look upwards for him.

[Pavlov]

So you’re saying spurs agreed to a trade but it’s being held up because the spurs haven’t agreed to a trade.

Seems legit
:lol

[pad300]

per reddit:

(Aldridge) "Pop told Kawhi during their meeting in June that they would acquire another All Star if he committed to them long term and that they would win the West this upcoming season."

David Aldridge reporting on nba tv. Speculated that kemba walker is the all star they would acquire. Said Kawhi is still not interested in staying with team, but Spurs are still hopeful that could change.


Yeah, with what assets?

Take back Batum's contract

Mills/Green/Gay + Gasol + DJ/White/Walker/FRP/other asset for Kemba + Batum

[K...]

guys, it's a done deal, he's going to be a clipper but it's being held up because uncle wants to be named the head of microsoft as part of the deal.

[FkLA]

per reddit:

(Aldridge) "Pop told Kawhi during their meeting in June that they would acquire another All Star if he committed to them long term and that they would win the West this upcoming season."

David Aldridge reporting on nba tv. Speculated that kemba walker is the all star they would acquire. Said Kawhi is still not interested in staying with team, but Spurs are still hopeful that could change.

:pctoss

The balls on this mute fuck to say no to the GOAT coach and model franchise, who are willing to make a pretty big financial commitment to win. I can imagine a still grieving Pop bringing the fire at the thought of what they could do next year together, promising to win the West. And I can imagine this brainwashed, mute fuck with a blank expression the whole time and then silently muttering "nah I'm good". Fucking back stabbing, treacherous piece of shit.

[FireMicoHalili]

Its time for you to win your way kawhi.
Palisoc supot pamilya ng mga iskwater

[loveforthegame]

If Spurs still wanted a long term commitment, then was the SuperMax on the table?

Doesn’t sound like it. Instead of the max for Leonard they’re promising to get another all-star instead.

[Spurs 4 The Win]

Doesn’t sound like it. Instead of the max for Leonard they’re promising to get another all-star instead.

We should make him come back next season, prove his health by making an all NBA team and then make him walk away from a Max deal in SA. If he had played last season he wouldve gotten the Max, no question

[Spurs 4 The Win]

:pctoss

The balls on this mute fuck to say no to the GOAT coach and model franchise, who are willing to make a pretty big financial commitment to win. I can imagine a still grieving Pop bringing the fire at the thought of what they could do next year together, promising to win the West. And I can imagine this brainwashed, mute fuck with a blank expression the whole time and then silently muttering "nah I'm good". Fucking back stabbing, treacherous piece of shit.

True

[RD2191]

:pctoss

The balls on this mute fuck to say no to the GOAT coach and model franchise, who are willing to make a pretty big financial commitment to win. I can imagine a still grieving Pop bringing the fire at the thought of what they could do next year together, promising to win the West. And I can imagine this brainwashed, mute fuck with a blank expression the whole time and then silently muttering "nah I'm good". Fucking back stabbing, treacherous piece of shit.

Right, Pop wants and deserves to go out with a bang. Kawhi's forcing him to go out with a 1st round exit or missing the playoffs altogether. Cold ass nigga :lol

[RD2191]

I wonder if PATFO asked to take a paycut so they could land another star??

[Leetonidas]

:pctoss

The balls on this mute fuck to say no to the GOAT coach and model franchise, who are willing to make a pretty big financial commitment to win. I can imagine a still grieving Pop bringing the fire at the thought of what they could do next year together, promising to win the West. And I can imagine this brainwashed, mute fuck with a blank expression the whole time and then silently muttering "nah I'm good". Fucking back stabbing, treacherous piece of shit.

:tu

[BillMc]

:pctoss

The balls on this mute fuck to say no to the GOAT coach and model franchise, who are willing to make a pretty big financial commitment to win. I can imagine a still grieving Pop bringing the fire at the thought of what they could do next year together, promising to win the West. And I can imagine this brainwashed, mute fuck with a blank expression the whole time and then silently muttering "nah I'm good". Fucking back stabbing, treacherous piece of shit.
:bobo

[loveforthegame]

Why are the Spurs not adding another all-star anyway?

[NASpurs]

Yeah, no shit.

1014695120644575232

[Spurs da champs]

Kawhi just wants to be back in LA, he don't give a fuck about winning no more.

[SnakeBoy]

:pctoss

The balls on this mute fuck to say no to the GOAT coach and model franchise, who are willing to make a pretty big financial commitment to win. I can imagine a still grieving Pop bringing the fire at the thought of what they could do next year together, promising to win the West. And I can imagine this brainwashed, mute fuck with a blank expression the whole time and then silently muttering "nah I'm good". Fucking back stabbing, treacherous piece of shit.

:lol

Very good sir

[NASpurs]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8w6lp8/aldridge_the_sense_around_the_league_is_that/

David Aldridge on NBA TV. "The sense around the league is that Kawhi will end up in Philly unless the Lakers are willing to include Ingram or Kuzma in a trade."

[Texas_Ranger]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8w6lp8/aldridge_the_sense_around_the_league_is_that/

David Aldridge on NBA TV. "The sense around the league is that Kawhi will end up in Philly unless the Lakers are willing to include Ingram or Kuzma in a trade."

ingram or kuzma? lol, what are they offernig now. Just Luol Deng? :lol

[Vic Petro]

Next Kawhi/Pop meeting

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/cb/a3/31/cba331de0d42721501ca17d98ba7e3f2.jpg

[Mr. Body]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8w6lp8/aldridge_the_sense_around_the_league_is_that/

David Aldridge on NBA TV. "The sense around the league is that Kawhi will end up in Philly unless the Lakers are willing to include Ingram or Kuzma in a trade."

One OR the other? Go fuck right off.

[Hoops Czar]

David Aldridge doesn't know shit.

[RsxPiimp]

Palisoc supot pamilya ng mga iskwater

hey bruh, that’s not cool.

[objective]

Take back Batum's contract

Mills/Green/Gay + Gasol + DJ/White/Walker/FRP/other asset for Kemba + Batum

Gay could veto the deal as being a one-year contract player who would have early bird rights when the contract is over

[tbdog]

Originally Posted by pad300 (http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9459387#post9459387)


Take back Batum's contract

Mills/Green/Gay + Gasol + DJ/White/Walker/FRP/other asset for Kemba + Batum

Spurs should be looking to create cap space next offseason. Lots of good names.

[dbestpro]

Spurs should be looking to create cap space next offseason. Lots of good names.

Keep Leonard. His contract will open lots of space.

[Spurs9]

"The sense around the league is if the Spurs get a package they like they will trade him, more to follow."
"BREAKING: Spurs in discussions to trade Kawhi to a team in the NBA."

[dbestpro]

"The sense around the league is if the Spurs get a package they like they will trade him, more to follow."
"BREAKING: Spurs in discussions to trade Kawhi to a team in the NBA."

That is the most compelling post since the following was posted;

Hopefully Kawhi and PATFO can come to terms. Kawhi and his camp and a certain team have agreed but The Spurs organization want to drag this one out.

[Lostwingman]

Why are the Spurs not adding another all-star anyway?
What are you gonna tease them over with if Kawhi ain't committing?

[apalisoc_9]

David Aldridge knows a few people that knows a few people from Kawhis camp.

These arent just guessess.

The truth of the matter kawhis camp feels like this should have been a done deal days ago with the Clippers or Lakers but the spurs stuborness knows no bounds.

Now We have guys like Cowhered, and Carter pushing the "slave like" mentality in San Antonio and its only going to get worse as kawhis camp grows more desperate.

They believe the Spurs should have agreed on a deal two days ago. They thought it was done.

[lilbthebasedgod]

They believe the Spurs should have agreed on a deal two days ago. They thought it was done.

Why do they believe this?

[apalisoc_9]

Kawhis camp will continue to leak until hes traded.

They dont really care what SA gets in return.

They feel like they have beem backstab enough to not care.

[apalisoc_9]

Cris carter made a good point a couple days ago that people ignore. San Antonio is one of the few organizations in the league that dicates what kind of endorsements their players can sign.

[cd98]

David Aldridge knows a few people that knows a few people from Kawhis camp.

These arent just guessess.

The truth of the matter kawhis camp feels like this should have been a done deal days ago with the Clippers or Lakers but the spurs stuborness knows no bounds.

Now We have guys like Cowhered, and Carter pushing the "slave like" mentality in San Antonio and its only going to get worse as kawhis camp grows more desperate.

They believe the Spurs should have agreed on a deal two days ago. They thought it was done.

Who cares? Spurs have a contract with Kawhi and they are under no obligation to trade him.

[Mugen]

Kawhis camp will continue to leak until hes traded.

They dont really care what SA gets in return.

They feel like they have beem backstab enough to not care.

Is that what the other Murses are saying?

[moisaenz]

I thought it was a done deal, if the spurs haven't agreed is not a done deal.

[spurraider21]

David Aldridge knows a few people that knows a few people from Kawhis camp.

These arent just guessess.

The truth of the matter kawhis camp feels like this should have been a done deal days ago with the Clippers or Lakers but the spurs stuborness knows no bounds.

Now We have guys like Cowhered, and Carter pushing the "slave like" mentality in San Antonio and its only going to get worse as kawhis camp grows more desperate.

They believe the Spurs should have agreed on a deal two days ago. They thought it was done.


Kawhis camp will continue to leak until hes traded.

They dont really care what SA gets in return.

They feel like they have beem backstab enough to not care.
https://media1.giphy.com/media/Qa6aPhf1gD4Bi/giphy.gif

[Pavlov]

Cris carter made a good point a couple days ago that people ignore. San Antonio is one of the few organizations in the league that dicates what kind of endorsements their players can sign.I've never read that any team ever dictate that tbh. Any other source for that?

[Spurs9]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/Qa6aPhf1gD4Bi/giphy.gif

:lol

[dbestpro]

I've never read that any team ever dictate that tbh. Any other source for that?

The only way it could happen is if it were in the contract which no agent would agree to.

[rascal]

Wonder if that trade was Walker and Batum for Pau and Mills

Jordan wants Leonard for Walker.

[coachmac87]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/Qa6aPhf1gD4Bi/giphy.gif

Lmao

[Hoops Czar]

The only way it could happen is if it were in the contract which no agent would agree to.
Adult toys?

[DPG21920]

Man, Woj has been way down on SA lately. He’s basically non-stop updating how SA is screwed and everyone seems to be pushing the narrative.

Kawhi, if he wants to be moved, needs to help the Spurs move him. Not make it more difficult. The things about him cooling on LA and being impatient with them help. This other crap does not.

Also :lol anyone saying Woj is team SA. He’s kind of crapped on the Spurs a lot during this with constantly downplaying Kawhi’s trade value. He talks about all the downsides and all the risk but none of the good.

[TVI]

So, bankruptcy is the next step?+1000000

[Strategic]

Kawhis camp will continue to leak until hes traded.

They dont really care what SA gets in return.

They feel like they have beem backstab enough to not care. I heard from sources that KL reneged on his contract this year, so ...........

[RD2191]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/Qa6aPhf1gD4Bi/giphy.gif

Lmao

[spurs1990]

Woj has been very good to San Antonio over the years.

Here's his breakdown of Stern's penalizing the team for the 2012 heat game
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--david-stern-stumbles-again-in-his-failed-culture-war-against-the-spurs-194828970.html

Podcast with RC right after TD hung it up
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/art19/the-vertical-podcast-with-woj/e/45342226?********=true

Podcast with Manu from early 2016
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-woj-pod/id1065985281?mt=2&i=1000364483726

[Marcus Bryant]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/Qa6aPhf1gD4Bi/giphy.gif

Longtime NBA reporter knows people who knows people.

If it's cloudy tomorrow it could rain.

Done deal.

[loveforthegame]

What are you gonna tease them over with if Kawhi ain't committing?

Unless I’m misunderstanding DAs report they’re saying if Leonard commits long term they’ll trade for an all-star. If there’s a deal on the table for that why are they not doing so anyway?

[Marcus Bryant]

Kawhis camp thought the Spurs would be forced into a trade with all their leaks.

But the Spurs are screwing that up by not agreeing to a trade.

I know shit.

Would you like paper or plastic?

[SpursDynasty85]

Unless I’m misunderstanding DAs report they’re saying if Leonard commits long term they’ll trade for an all-star. If there’s a deal on the table for that why are they not doing so anyway?

If it's for Kemba he is only on a one year deal. Maybe they have a good enough pkg for Charlotte but Kemba does not commit long term unless Kawhi comes. This would result in Spurs giving up all their young assets for a year of Kemba. This sounds very ironic as I am writing this. Lol.

[toki9]

Unless I’m misunderstanding DAs report they’re saying if Leonard commits long term they’ll trade for an all-star. If there’s a deal on the table for that why are they not doing so anyway?

Maybe because it's in exchange for young asset (i.e., Murray) and expiring contracts? Probably it's not a move that fits into their long term personnel and cap management, but something they're willing to do if that's what Kawhi wants. Totally guessing.

[toki9]

Cris carter made a good point a couple days ago that people ignore. San Antonio is one of the few organizations in the league that dicates what kind of endorsements their players can sign.

I watched the video, and my impression was that the Spurs want the players to run these deals by them so they can give their input, but the final decision was on the player. I don't think that's an unreasonable request, particularly given the judgment shown by Kawhi's team so far. Also, there are some really odd products out there, looking for celebrity endorsers: KAT endorsing beef jerky, Brett Favre and his copper lined knee braces, Frank Thomas and "male vitality" supplements, etc. It may not be such a bad idea to get the team's input when making these decisions, particularly when your own management team is...inexperienced.

[FlAVaK]

I watched the video, and my impression was that the Spurs want the players to run these deals by them so they can give their input, but the final decision was on the player. I don't think that's an unreasonable request, particularly given the judgment shown by Kawhi's team so far. Also, there are some really odd products out there, looking for celebrity endorsers: KAT endorsing beef jerky, Brett Favre and his copper lined knee braces, Frank Thomas and "male vitality" supplements, etc. It may not be such a bad idea to get the team's input when making these decisions, particularly when your own management team is...full of shit.

Fify

[BackHome]

I Love Pop and RC not caving in to these fools. We got his ass one more year MoFo’s

[dbestpro]

Been watching the tape on Tobias Harris. He's 6-9, shoots the 3 at a higher percentage than KL and rebounds better. His defense does not compare, but whose does? A package with Harris who is 2 years younger than Kawhi, but has scored more points, (get Harris to sign an extension), sign and trade Harrell, and a couple number one draft picks seems like a better deal than most think for the win now approach.

[exstatic]

It’s funny that LA is cranky with LaVar for leaking the injury. What, exactly, do they think they’re buying into with Uncle Dennis?

[Mr. Body]

It’s funny that LA is cranky with LaVar for leaking the injury. What, exactly, do they think they’re buying into with Uncle Dennis?

Because they fed Uncle most of this in the first place.

[exstatic]

Because they fed Uncle most of this in the first place.

No. Uncle and the agency have their own agenda, which meshes somewhat with the Lakers, but their interests are not parallel. The first time Magic does something they don’t like...well, I’m reminded of the proverb of the scorpion.

[Mr. Body]

No. Uncle and the agency have their own agenda, which meshes somewhat with the Lakers, but their interests are not parallel. The first time Magic does something they don’t like...well, I’m reminded of the proverb of the scorpion.

They don't have to be parallel, but you don't think Kawhi's group all of a sudden thought up forcing a trade to LA all by themselves, do you?

[Marcus Bryant]

Well now that it failed, what's next for the braintrust?

[Ice009]

David Aldridge knows a few people that knows a few people from Kawhis camp.

These arent just guessess.

The truth of the matter kawhis camp feels like this should have been a done deal days ago with the Clippers or Lakers but the spurs stuborness knows no bounds.

Now We have guys like Cowhered, and Carter pushing the "slave like" mentality in San Antonio and its only going to get worse as kawhis camp grows more desperate.

They believe the Spurs should have agreed on a deal two days ago. They thought it was done.

Does he or does he not want to play with Lebron? Which team should it have been a done deal with? Clippers or Lakers.

I hope the Spurs send him to the Clippers rather than the Lakers. Would prefer Philadelphia over the Clippers too.

[Ice009]

By the way, FUCK KAWHI if his thinks the Spurs should just trade him for scraps so that he can get what he wants. The Spurs need a decent return, otherwise, the clown can just sit out the year.

[tbdog]

Been watching the tape on Tobias Harris. He's 6-9, shoots the 3 at a higher percentage than KL and rebounds better. His defense does not compare, but whose does? A package with Harris who is 2 years younger than Kawhi, but has scored more points, (get Harris to sign an extension), sign and trade Harrell, and a couple number one draft picks seems like a better deal than most think for the win now approach.


No no no. Harris can't guard wings or bigs. He can't pass. Has low iq. Doesn't know to rotate correctly. Cannot screen. Is a career loser with one 1st round appearance. Stop looking at stats and highlights.

[Chinook]

If the Spurs can make a trade for an All-Star without giving up every little bit of their future, they owe it to LMA and the fans to do that. If Leonard doesn't want to be a part of that, trade him either for assets or the best replacement players at whatever positions of need are left. Maybe they can't win a title without Kawhi, even with Kemba or whomever. But get that guy, have him in the system and pay him what you need to to keep him in the fold.

[Ice009]

If the Spurs can make a trade for an All-Star without giving up every little bit of their future, they owe it to LMA and the fans to do that. If Leonard doesn't want to be a part of that, trade him either for assets or the best replacement players at whatever positions of need are left. Maybe they can't win a title without Kawhi, even with Kemba or whomever. But get that guy, have him in the system and pay him what you need to to keep him in the fold.

Yes, do this. Spurs shouldn't only do this if Kawhi stays. If they can do it without giving up much, they should still try to do it.

[HarlemHeat37]

Ap, you hearing anything interesting tonight?

[Chinook]

Yes, do this. Spurs shouldn't only do this if Kawhi stays. If they can do it without giving up much, they should still try to do it.

Like if it's Kemba and he says he's definitely not reupping without Kawhi, then I see not doing something drastic. But if he's willing to stay on, then yeah, you trade Green and whatever for him. The only possible holdout would be Murray or Walker (not both), if Pop thinks one is going to really be a star. You don't get completely short-sighted. But you don't want to get caught halfway between rebuilding and competing.

[FlAVaK]

And maybe they would like to include something out of a potential leonard trade into this fictional kemba trade, instead of one of their own asset, who knows...

So that might be the holdup there.

[apalisoc_9]

Kemba
Harris
Aldridge

Spurs new big 3 to challenge the warriors?











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[toki9]

BTW, what's the fascination with Kemba Walker? I don't quite see the appeal.

[TimDunkem]

Kemba
Harris
Aldridge

Spurs new big 3 to challenge the warriors?











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:lmao

[Mr. Body]

BTW, what's the fascination with Kemba Walker? I don't quite see the appeal.

When you figure it out, let me know.

[offset formation]

Ap, you hearing anything interesting tonight?

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[spurraider21]

Ap, you hearing anything interesting tonight?
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[Chinook]

BTW, what's the fascination with Kemba Walker? I don't quite see the appeal.

He's just the lowest-hanging fruit on a tree the Spurs desperately need to shake. Despite sinking three straight first-round picks and multiple eight-figure deals into the position, guard remains the team's weak point. With Kawhi in the fold, getting an offensive guard who can score 20-plus PPG on decent efficiency would be worth a lot. Without him, it wouldn't be worth quite as much, and the expiring status and flight risk makes it to where SA might not be able to get a deal done. The team didn't need much to be a true contender: A reliable third option who could compliment SA's front court would get them there. Best thing they could do is throw Tony into a machine that could make him eight years younger. Prime Parker would be a great fit with the roster and would likely bring back some semblance of old Danny again. But failing that, they need to get the next-best thing.

[Lostwingman]

BTW, what's the fascination with Kemba Walker? I don't quite see the appeal.
Possible availability.

I mean sure we'd love Curry but he ain't moving.

[toki9]

He's just the lowest-hanging fruit on a tree the Spurs desperately need to shake. Despite sinking three straight first-round picks and multiple eight-figure deals into the position, guard remains the team's weak point. With Kawhi in the fold, getting an offensive guard who can score 20-plus PPG on decent efficiency would be worth a lot. Without him, it wouldn't be worth quite as much, and the expiring status and flight risk makes it to where SA might not be able to get a deal done. The team didn't need much to be a true contender: A reliable third option who could compliment SA's front court would get them there. Best thing they could do is throw Tony into a machine that could make him eight years younger. Prime Parker would be a great fit with the roster and would likely bring back some semblance of old Danny again. But failing that, they need to get the next-best thing.

I see...thank you for that explanation...so it'd be a half-hearted desperation (yeah, a bit of oxymoron) move because our guards are either too old or the young ones have not yet progressed enough?

[Chinook]

I see...thank you for that explanation...so it'd be a half-hearted desperation (yeah, a bit of oxymoron) move because our guards are either too old or the young ones have not yet progressed enough?

I wouldn't frame it like that. Kemba would be a strong third option. If SA could keep Green or Murray or lose both but have Lonnie develop into three-and-D really quickly, then they could have a really good roster. As I said, they don't need much.

[toki9]

I wouldn't frame it like that. Kemba would be a strong third option. If SA could keep Green or Murray or lose both but have Lonnie develop into three-and-D really quickly, then they could have a really good roster. As I said, they don't need much.

Got it...thank you again for the explanation.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

– Teams concerned about Kawhi’s representation. It’s an uncle and a football guy but no one with an NBA track record GMs can trust. GMs cannot go to ownership with confidence Kawhi will or won’t re-sign because there is no relationship or history with his reps.


Well finally someone daring to mention how his group's amateurish tactics are hurting Kawhi's future. GMs certainly know all about this drama, more than journos do, they know Pop and respect him, they know how the Spurs operate. You think Brett Brown doesn't know all about this directly from Pop (and/or from their own doctor who has treated Kawhi) and they're playing cat and mouse with trade offers? It's naive. LeBron too, he's close to Pop, you think he hasn't reached out and asked about what's going on? I don't see LeBron looking to do the dirty on Pop trying to steal Kawhi.

They'd all know if Kawhi's injury is worse than presented, or whether he has simply chosen to quit on his team, or whether he's a victim of a vulture group trying to squeeze every cent from him. Neither alternative works in his favour and the more they're pressing their hard stance on wanting to go the less anyone would actually want him. The best case scenario for both parties seems to be that he stays with the Spurs for this season and proves himself, then see what happens.

[r0drig0lac]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8w6lp8/aldridge_the_sense_around_the_league_is_that/

David Aldridge on NBA TV. "The sense around the league is that Kawhi will end up in Philly unless the Lakers are willing to include Ingram or Kuzma in a trade."

lol kuzma gtfo

[spursistan]

Link?
:lmao..

[tbdog]

I just don't get how you can publicly release that you will only resign with a team while on contract. How is that not borderline Tampering?

[spurschamps99030507]

I know this might sound like a roll of the dice, but if I’m the Raptors, I would pick up the phone and tell Spurs GM R.C. Buford that he can choose a package featuring DeMar DeRozan. (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23973940/kawhi-leonard-trades-lakers-do-now-lebron-james) Yes, I get that you’d be giving up three years of DeRozan for Leonard’s expiring contract. But let’s face it: Toronto is third in the East pecking order behind Boston and Philadelphia. With LeBron out West, I would take a chance on Leonard if he looks healthy. Add Danny Green’s $10 million contract to Leonard, and a deal for DeRozan works

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23973940/kawhi-leonard-trades-lakers-do-now-lebron-james

[FireMicoHalili]

hey bruh, that’s not cool.
Reklamo ka sa city hall. Also yung Lakers mo feeling mo relevant na naman kayo. Must be difficult to backpedal when a fan base kept feeling like Kobe’s legacy was threatened by LeBron and now it has to love LeBron. Weirdest, most laughable dissonance ever.

[FireMicoHalili]

Kemba
Harris
Aldridge

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Mr. (Or miss, or mrs.) Palisoc, sources for all the stuff you’ve been spewing lately? Kamusta batting rate sa rumors?

[RsxPiimp]

Reklamo ka sa city hall. Also yung Lakers mo feeling mo relevant na naman kayo.
:lmao

[sananspursfan21]

Just read “What’s a fair price for Leonard” on Bleacher Report. Woj says Kawhi’s not happy with San Antonio, now doesn’t want either LA team, isn’t thrilled about Boston....where does this ingrate want to go????

[BillMc]

Just read “What’s a fair price for Leonard” on Bleacher Report. Woj says Kawhi’s not happy with San Antonio, now doesn’t want either LA team, isn’t thrilled about Boston....where does this ingrate want to go????

Siberia.

[sananspursfan21]

Siberia.

:lol :rolleyes

[FkLA]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/Qa6aPhf1gD4Bi/giphy.gif

what an asshole gorilla :lmao

[lmbebo]

Just read “What’s a fair price for Leonard” on Bleacher Report. Woj says Kawhi’s not happy with San Antonio, now doesn’t want either LA team, isn’t thrilled about Boston....where does this ingrate want to go????

Every place is a problem ... does he actually want to be traded?

[buttsR4rebounding]

Just read “What’s a fair price for Leonard” on Bleacher Report. Woj says Kawhi’s not happy with San Antonio, now doesn’t want either LA team, isn’t thrilled about Boston....where does this ingrate want to go????

Golden State

[spurschamps99030507]

the lakers are going to make the same mistake as they did with paul george, they don't want to give what RC and Pop want and they will lose kiwi, he will realize that they don't do everything possible to make a trade and surely sign the extension with the spurs.

[szkorhetz]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250582/Kawhi-Leonard-Finds-Clippers-Less-Appealing-With-LeBron-James-Joining-Lakers

"I've been told that one of the reasons he looks at going to the Clippers as a little less motivated. I think initially the idea of L.A. was fine to him. He preferred the Lakers but was okay with the Clippers. Now that LeBron's in L.A., I think the idea of going head-to-head with LeBron to have you with the Clippers, him with the Lakers and to maybe feel dwarfed by that. I'm told that's become far less appealing to him."
The Lakers have a more appealing potential package to offer the Spurs for Leonard, but have been reluctant to meet San Antonio's demands.
He's staying. :stirpot:

[MoSpur02]

It's about money. I'm sure he's backpedaling because he knows he doesn't wanna lose that much money. Problem is the Spurs haven't offered the max. That I know of. Things could change or could've changed.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Bleacher Report (I know, not exactly the best source) is now saying that he is not interested in either LA team or Boston. It looks like it will come down to one of 2 scenarios: 1. Signs an extension with the Spurs. 2. Traded to Philly for a decent package because they will have a higher level of comfort that he will re-sign.

[MoSpur02]

However, a trade could still happen. You still have Philly out there. I don't think he would like Philly though. I don't see him wanting to play with Embiid.

Charlotte? Walker doesn't seem like enough though and Batum's contract is kinda bad.

Orlando? Gordon just signed an extension. They don't have any other pieces I'd like.

T-Wolves? Butler? He is also a free agent after this season too and not sure the Spurs would want him.

[spurschamps99030507]

popovich will tell him, you see now? "they prefer to have two lower level players like ingram & kuzma than make a trade for you", the same as they did with paul george .....

[raybies]

Ok so was it woj saying he’s not ok with either LA team or is it bleacher report?

[TXstbobcat]

popovich will tell him, you see now? "they prefer to have two lower level players like ingram & kuzma than make a trade for you", the same as they did with paul george .....

It’s not that they would rather have those two players, the Lakers are just willing to gamble that they can sign Kawai as a freeagent at the end of the season. Could end up backfiring for them like it did with Paul George.

[Baam]

I still believe it's gonna be Philly. They signed a budget Covington (Chandler) and a budget Saric (Bjelica). All they need now is to hear what they want to hear from Kiwi and Fultz will be on the table as well.

Brett Brown doesn't want to lose his job next year, self preservation is a powerful force... He still has no idea how to play Fultz and Simmons together.

[Mr. Body]

the lakers are going to make the same mistake as they did with paul george, they don't want to give what RC and Pop want and they will lose kiwi, he will realize that they don't do everything possible to make a trade and surely sign the extension with the spurs.

I don't think they realize how insulting it is to offer scraps and being chintzy in their offers. And they're doing it twice now.

[look_at_g_shred]

It’s not that they would rather have those two players, the Lakers are just willing to gamble that they can sign Kawai as a freeagent at the end of the season. Could end up backfiring for them like it did with Paul George.
....But if they did trade for him now, they would be saving him a bunch of money. He's gotta realize that too. If they traded for him they could re-sign him next summer for 4/ 189 rather if they outright sign him i think its 4 / 139

[DPG21920]

I still believe it's gonna be Philly. They signed a budget Covington (Chandler) and a budget Saric (Bjelica). All they need now is to hear what they want to hear from Kiwi and Fultz will be on the table as well.

Brett Brown doesn't want to lose his job next year, self preservation is a powerful force... He still has no idea how to play Fultz and Simmons together.

I had similar thoughts. To even go further: With Chandler in the fold, if they offer him instead of Covington? Fultz + Saric + Wilson + Pick for Kawhi.

That means, from last year’s team that blossomed, they are only giving up 1 rotation player from that team (Saric). Fultz didn’t really play. Wilson didn’t play and allows them to keep Covington. The pick is unmaterialized.

To be able to land a true star and only give up one rotation player functionally that you have a decent replacement for (Bjelica?)?

It makes some sense. Let’s see how they view it though.

[dbestpro]

No no no. Harris can't guard wings or bigs. He can't pass. Has low iq. Doesn't know to rotate correctly. Cannot screen. Is a career loser with one 1st round appearance. Stop looking at stats and highlights.

Playing on bad teams will make a player look like what you say. This guy has talent and with the right coaching everything you pointed out can easily be fixed even if he is not as bad as you claim. The most appealing part to Harris is he is a team player and has great character, plus he will give you 80 games a season.

[sasaint]

I still believe it's gonna be Philly. They signed a budget Covington (Chandler) and a budget Saric (Bjelica). All they need now is to hear what they want to hear from Kiwi and Fultz will be on the table as well.

Brett Brown doesn't want to lose his job next year, self preservation is a powerful force... He still has no idea how to play Fultz and Simmons together.

Interesting and plausible take. :toast

[raybies]

Philly has 17 guaranteed spots for next year right now. They getting ready for something... I think chandler is more for the Spurs... I don’t think PATFO wants all of Covington’s money on the books. They’d get an expiring contract with chandler. Also he’s a solid wing and would make a decent stopgap. Dudes always injured tho. Get the Miami pick and another first and some of their second round picks... we talking. Need Fultz tho. The way it’s sounding about him and LA he may come around

[bklynspursfan]

Ok so was it woj saying he’s not ok with either LA team or is it bleacher report?

I think it was quoted from Shams

[Spurs da champs]

Philly package is trash without or without Fultz, Saric the best player in a package for Kawhi? :lmao

Miami pick is a gamble.

[AFBlue]

Philly has 17 guaranteed spots for next year right now. They getting ready for something... I think chandler is more for the Spurs... I don’t think PATFO wants all of Covington’s money on the books. They’d get an expiring contract with chandler. Also he’s a solid wing and would make a decent stopgap. Dudes always injured tho. Get the Miami pick and another first and some of their second round picks... we talking. Need Fultz tho. The way it’s sounding about him and LA he may come around

Absolutely feels like them stockpiling picks and players to make the move for Kawhi. Want this to happen badly, even without Fultz

[AFBlue]

Philly package is trash without or without Fultz, Saric the best player in a package for Kawhi? :lmao

Miami pick is a gamble.

Better than getting nothing for him when he bolts next year. And at the very least it defers the LA super team by a year.

[spurschamps99030507]

I don't think they realize how insulting it is to offer scraps and being chintzy in their offers. And they're doing it twice now.

the argument of Pop and RC, "you see now that the fakers don't want you, you're going to lose 80 mill but they prefer ingram and kuzma two lower level players to make a trade for you"

if they wanted you they would do the trade and you could sign for 188 mill instead of 139mill, ask paul george how much the fakers wanted, nothing like you "

"The fact that they want you for free the next season costs you 49 million of your $$$ kiwi"

Drew Shiller: Paul George: “I 100 percent appreciate Laker Nation for wanting me to come back home. I wanted to come here a year ago, prior to going to OKC. And unfortunately wasn’t traded to the Lakers (https://hoopshype.com/social/)— Lakers didn’t grab me.”

[SpursforSix]

It’s not that they would rather have those two players, the Lakers are just willing to gamble that they can sign Kawai as a freeagent at the end of the season. Could end up backfiring for them like it did with Paul George.

I'm not sure the strategy backfires. If they don't get Leonard, they can still go after Butler. Maybe even Durant. Or pick up two others.
They've set themselves up to be a playoff team this year and then to make major acquisitions next year.

[Ocotillo]

Maybe Philly also wants the Spurs to resign Leonard so that they have an assurance he will be there after the coming season and then the trigger of a trade gets pulled.

[Play Boban]

Philly package is trash without or without Fultz, Saric the best player in a package for Kawhi? :lmao

Miami pick is a gamble.
Saric would be the second best player on the team brah.

[sasaint]

the argument of Pop and RC, "you see now that the fakers don't want you, you're going to lose 80 mill but they prefer ingram and kuzma two lower level players to make a trade for you"

if they wanted you they would do the trade and you could sign for 188 mill instead of 139mill, ask paul george how much the fakers wanted, nothing like you "

"The fact that they want you for free the next season costs you 49 million of your $$$ kiwi"

Drew Shiller: Paul George: “I 100 percent appreciate Laker Nation for wanting me to come back home. I wanted to come here a year ago, prior to going to OKC. And unfortunately wasn’t traded to the Lakers (https://hoopshype.com/social/)— Lakers didn’t grab me.”

That quote is pretty powerful, but who knows whether it gets in front of Kawhi or spun in a way that he would personalize as it is here. Is that in "the agency's" best interest? Whatever Magic tells him (or uncle Dennis) over the phone would be much more powerful, tbh.

[ajh18]

Almost makes you wonder of a new team from a big market could swoop in and make a decent offer. Would New York be willing to send the rights to Kevin Knox, Tim Hardaway Jr, Frank Ntilikina, and next year’s first to us in exchange for Kawhi and the chance to build a team around Leonard, Porzinghis, and potentially Kyrie and Butler next year?

Would Chicago be willing to offer a package based around Lauri Markkanen and a 2019 first to get relevant again?

[sasaint]

Saric would be the second best player on the team brah.

Yeah, him or Rudy.

[Spurs da champs]

Saric would be the second best player on the team brah.
Ingram would be the 2nd best player on Spurs team & his ceiling>Saric & Fultz.

[r0drig0lac]

Saric would be the second best player on the team brah.

no doubt

[tbdog]

Playing on bad teams will make a player look like what you say. This guy has talent and with the right coaching everything you pointed out can easily be fixed even if he is not as bad as you claim. The most appealing part to Harris is he is a team player and has great character, plus he will give you 80 games a season.

Richard Jefferson had similar stats but lacked the intangibles to work. Both players at the time require their numbered called. By virtue of this supposed trade, Harris would have his number called as a second option and get similar stats. But we wouldn't be a good team. As soon as Harris is a third or fourth option, his game will revert to Spurs Jefferson level. Not very good.

[rasuo214]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/250582/Kawhi-Leonard-Finds-Clippers-Less-Appealing-With-LeBron-James-Joining-Lakers

He's staying. :stirpot:

That looks like it's coming from Kawhi's group more than Kawhi. They're more concerned with his marketability (main reason for the push to a big market) and obviously Lebron in the same city would be a big issue.

[BillMc]

What do you guys put the percentages of Kawhi ENDING this upcoming season on which team:

Spurs: 30%
Lakers 25%
Clippers: 10%
Philly 10%
Celtics 10%
Field: 15%

[Vic Petro]

I'm not sure the strategy backfires. If they don't get Leonard, they can still go after Butler. Maybe even Durant. Or pick up two others.
They've set themselves up to be a playoff team this year and then to make major acquisitions next year.

well if you believe Kawhi is a top 3 player, then it’s only a successful plan if you wind up with Kawhi or Durant. If you’re suggesting they’d be just as good with Jimmy Butler or, say, a 34 year old Chris Paul, I disagree. They might be able to lure a top 20 player but Kawhi is their only really shot at a top 3 or 5 player.

[RGMCSE]

That looks like it's coming from Kawhi's group more than Kawhi. They're more concerned with his marketability (main reason for the push to a big market) and obviously Lebron in the same city would be a big issue.


I dont think kaywaii is that marketable regardless of location. Hes not a confident alpha dog.

[BillMc]

I wonder if Pop and RC need to get a Holt's approval to trade Kawhi. And, if so, which one?

[ducks]

if leonard does not want to be traded just say so or call the spurs
if he wants to change cities call spurs and say so
or publically call a press and say he prefers 3 teams and he would consider long term deals in all of them
man up pussie wiped leonard

[Mr. Body]

What do you guys put the percentages of Kawhi ENDING this upcoming season on which team:

Spurs: 30%
Lakers 25%
Clippers: 10%
Philly 10%
Celtics 10%
Field: 15%

I rank the Lakers low. I think they blew it and/or the Spurs don't want to deal with them. I don't think Boston is there at all.

[BackHome]

Also an article from Philly about Jonah Bolden being in play for a package trade to Spurs. He was just brought up and is playing in Summer league a 6’10 PF with a nice 3 ball.

[Mugen]

What do you guys put the percentages of Kawhi ENDING this upcoming season on which team:

Spurs: 30%
Lakers 25%
Clippers: 10%
Philly 10%
Celtics 10%
Field: 15%

Philly 50%
Lakers 25%
Spurs 20%
Other 5%

[BillMc]

Philly 50%
Lakers 25%
Spurs 20%
Other 5%

Philly that high? Interesting. Cause they're in the East, cause of Brett Brown, cause they will give us the best package? All of the above?

[BillMc]

I rank the Lakers low. I think they blew it and/or the Spurs don't want to deal with them. I don't think Boston is there at all.

Hopefully you're right about LA. I'd hate to see that.

[SpursforSix]

well if you believe Kawhi is a top 3 player, then it’s only a successful plan if you wind up with Kawhi or Durant. If you’re suggesting they’d be just as good with Jimmy Butler or, say, a 34 year old Chris Paul, I disagree. They might be able to lure a top 20 player but Kawhi is their only really shot at a top 3 or 5 player.

Of course they wouldn't be as good. But it's a great plan B. LeBron, Butler, and their young guys. Maybe even Butler and one more.
And I'm sure this has been discussed and is part of their plan.

[lmbebo]

Spurs 35%
Philly 25%
Clippers 15%
Celtics 5%
Other 10%

I think it adds up to 100 .... who knows. I think its really Spurs or Philly for his services next year.

[rasuo214]

I dont think kaywaii is that marketable regardless of location. Hes not a confident alpha dog.

You don't need to be a confident alpha dog to be marketable. There are ways to market Kawhi since he has a unique person/attributes. He'd likely need to perform well in the new city to make up for the last year though.

[Dverde]

I give it one more day until Kawhi’s group starts using words like “enslaved”, “unreasonable”, spiteful”, “vendetta”

[Mugen]

Philly that high? Interesting. Cause they're in the East, cause of Brett Brown, cause they will give us the best package? All of the above?

A little bit of all that.

I think the only thing holding up a Philly package is communication between the Sixers and Kawhi's group and I don't think the group would nix it. Unless the Lakers come with a much better offer soon, I think Leonard will be a 76er by mid-month if not sooner.

[BillMc]

A little bit of all that.

I think the only thing holding up a Philly package is communication between the Sixers and Kawhi's group and I don't think the group would nix it. Unless the Lakers come with a much better offer soon, I think Leonard will be a 76er by mid-month if not sooner.

I could see that. Not sold on Fultz though and suspect he's the center of the package if its going to happen.

[Marcus Bryant]

I wonder if Pop and RC need to get a Holt's approval to trade Kawhi. And, if so, which one?

Probably and Holt the Woman.

[Spurs da champs]

Lavar Ball screwed the Lakers, almost as bad as uncle Dennis. :lmao

[Mugen]

I could see that. Not sold on Fultz though and suspect he's the center of the package if its going to happen.

Not sold on Fultz either but you have to get him.

If they haven't done so already, I'm sure Pop/RC will meet with Hold & Co. to decide if they are willing to offer the supermax. I highly, highly doubt that they decide to go that route, at which point they'll probably pick up the phone to Philly shortly thereafter.

[spurschamps99030507]

That quote is pretty powerful, but who knows whether it gets in front of Kawhi or spun in a way that he would personalize as it is here. Is that in "the agency's" best interest? Whatever Magic tells him (or uncle Dennis) over the phone would be much more powerful, tbh.

RC and Pop are going to win..... the fakers have no better roster than the cavs last year, the gsw are going to win the title, all the pressure on fakers, rondo, lance, mcGee are not better than tristan thompson, love or hill the w conference is much more difficult than the east


What I think
Pop and RC are going to say, "you see now that the fakers do not want you, you're going to lose 80 mill but they prefer ingram and kuzma two lower level players to make a trade for you"


if they wanted you they would do the trade and you could sign for 188 million instead of 139mill, ask paul george how much the fakers wanted, nothing like you "


"The fact that they want you for free the next season costs you 49 million of your $$$ kiwi"


"kuzma & ingram will keep your money" "we are in a position of weakness (spurs) and they consider that you are less than kuzma and ingram"


"we accept to trade to the fakers, you think that ingram and kuzma, both, are as good as you? you are one of the best three players in the league but the fakers did not press the button, if they wanted you they would have given us both players we asked for, who by the way have not shown anything in this league "


“think about how the fakers have valued you and why you are still here and what players have not wanted to traded for you”


if the fakers don't give what Pop and Rc want, he will traded different team or sign the extension

[AFBlue]

Not sold on Fultz either but you have to get him.

If they haven't done so already, I'm sure Pop/RC will meet with Hold & Co. to decide if they are willing to offer the supermax. I highly, highly doubt that they decide to go that route, at which point they'll probably pick up the phone to Philly shortly thereafter.

They don't need to get Fultz if they're not sold on him. Can they trade for Zhaire Smith, or do they have to wait for that to occur?